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0:50I'm here with Deepak Chona He is our go-to for injury analysis He's the best in the business He's even-tempered He's likable
0:57He's also incredibly smart He actually works in the medical profession Not medical-adjacent So for a lot of reasons It's a real
1:05gift to have him here We have a lot of players that have been injured already That are dealing with injuries in
1:12camp But are also coming back from injuries from last year They're on particular timelines We have a lot to talk about
1:19today Wow, I'm excited And we start with Alec Pierce Alec Pierce was the player that is featured on this particular show
1:26Because news recently surfaced that there is still yet no timeline And it is August 8th Let's talk about Alec Pierce Chances
1:34he shows up for week one What will his production this year be potentially hindered by?
1:39Yeah, so really good questions I think with Alec Pierce The longer this goes The more the risk increases They have never
1:46really released an actual diagnosis Just that he played through this injury Going back maybe a year and a half And tried
1:53to inject it with PRP But that kind of didn't work So he ended up having surgery in March Now most ankle
2:01issues The sort of suggestion is that this is like a moderate severity type injury Just by the fact that he played
2:08through it But most of these ankle issues by around six months Is when you would typically see a player return That
2:15would of course be right around the week one timeline They did mention the GM that he would be expected to come
2:22back Probably in the next couple of weeks But that's the only little tidbit of information I think in terms of risk
2:29level This is very much high risk high reward If he does in fact come back the next couple weeks And gets
2:37about four weeks of practice That's usually the ramp up period That you would expect a player to need To get back
2:44to 85 or so percent level Of what they would be pre-injury So there's some risk here But it's I wouldn't say
2:51he's totally off my board just yet Well, that's good I like that I like that a lot Because I have a
2:58lot of Josh Downs And that just means What I heard was There's an absolute tightrope that he has to walk If
3:06he's not ready to start practicing Within days He's probably going to miss week one He's definitely not going to be himself
3:13For the month of September At the very least Now we hear Josh Josh Downs has a groin injury You're seeing a
3:20lot of these minor groin injuries pop up But what's the deal with that?
3:25Yeah, it's not really too much to be concerned about For most players at this point The issue with these soft tissue
3:32strains Hamstrings, groins, quads Is that the data says If you miss time in training camp That doesn't necessarily impact your in-season
3:39availability If that lingers on into the preseason Which is next week Then that's when we do start to see an uptick
3:46In the time miss So a lot of this will just depend on how far The injuries linger But at this point
3:54I wouldn't say too much And teams of course are very cautious At the time of year There's very little to gain
4:01with veterans You're seeing a lot of that The groin is a very common one At this time of year I think
4:08these guys are just stretching their legs out For the first time in these multiple practices And is that an area that's also susceptible to dehydration?
4:17Yeah, groin and hamstring would be the big two there Again, you know, it's one of those that If a player has
4:24a little bit of tightness You will probably see him sit And they'll list it as a groin or hamstring Or what
4:31have you The only guys I get really worried about Are guys with extensive soft tissue histories And I'm sure we'll talk
4:38about Mike Evans Well, that's the thing that you say that And then I'm like, well, that's fine But Mike Evans actually
4:45has a quad strain Which is worse Yeah, so I mean Mike Evans with the quad I would say he's a player
4:53I'm already concerned about He's got multiple soft tissue history With the severe hamstrings pretty much every year I think it was
5:00past three years And beyond that his age over 30 Also predicts higher level of likelihood of recurrence So this quad not
5:07necessarily that worrisome But if you couple it with his history And then if it lingers into the next few weeks here
5:14Then you're really gonna start to work against him In terms of data and missing time But for now, are you concerned
5:22Based on what you've heard and read? Not immediately Not with this specific injury With his overall history He's very likely to
5:29miss some time At some point this year Just based on the nature of Of having these recurrent soft tissue hamstring issues
5:36And his age So yes, in general He's one of my highest risk players on the board But in terms of like
5:43this specific injury Holding him back Not necessarily We're pretty bullish on Mike Evans Because of his situation He's in an incredible
5:50situation I don't know if you saw this Ricky Pearsall out for the year Do you happen to see that?
5:57Yeah, totally That's a brutal blow I wouldn't call it a career ender The issue with these PCLs Is not so much
6:04that the data Is just terrible on the return It's just that there's very limited data Because most players are able to
6:12treat these non-operatively And the few that end up having kind of the PCL continue to bother them He had swelling once
6:19he kind of really tested it in camp Those players end up getting a reconstruction surgery There's If you have to also
6:26look at the way the NFL works You know, he's missed a lot of last year with this And now he's going
6:33to miss a whole another year So like the injury itself Knocking a player out for a year and a half In
6:40the NFL You don't get that long of a leash for most players So that's part of the reason I think the
6:48data is probably looks a little worse on paper Than it would project in his case We have data in non-NFL players
6:55Recreational type athletes So we're kind of making a little bit of a leap to compare apples to oranges here But that
7:02suggests that modern technique gives you pretty good results Not too dissimilar from ACL So with that in mind I would expect
7:09Pearsall probably to come back by week one next year And with that likely have a pretty good sized dip in his
7:17performance the first at least half of the year But eventually I would expect him to get back to what we saw
7:24before It's going to be very difficult for him to get back to what we saw before Because what we saw before
7:31were in flashes two years ago, three years ago And he's missed all this practice time Missed all this time getting rapport
7:38with Brock Purdy Understanding where to be Becoming an instinctual football player So that he doesn't have to think everything is just
7:45instantaneous It's all instinctual If he misses all this time, it's never going to be instinctual And so he's always going to
7:53be sort of behind Now these guys they miss multiple seasons of their rookie contract They can never catch up It's like
8:00this wet rope they just can never quite grip And that's you see so many players that are You know a lot
8:07of them first round pick second round picks They get injured They get another injury A lot of times it's a foot
8:14injury Something like that is probably the most common one that knocks these guys out for multiple seasons And there never really
8:22is an answer It's like there never really was a massive flame out There never really was a massive breakout Players like
8:29Ricky Pearsall just sort of work their way through the league And exit with never really making an impact Because they missed
8:36such an important window in their development Yeah, I think it's a fair point Especially again you miss that long in the
8:43NFL And if you're a third or fourth round pick You probably aren't getting another chance Him being a first round pick
8:51It does sort of lean you more towards them trying to work him back in He did show promise briefly So I
8:58would think that if he can get back on the field And not have any setback there Which of course is a
9:05big if Then I do think you could see him really bounce back here But I do think it would probably take
9:12about a year and a half And then he's 27 Like he's basically a 27 year old that has had a couple
9:19good games That's what we're looking at I just that is why when people go to the dynasty deluxe package on player
9:27profiler And they have to keep scrolling to find him They see how far down he is He's basically down there with
9:34like players like Torrey Horton Where Torrey Horton he's missed some time But he's also flashed some big games He just doesn't
9:41have the draft capital But what does he have he's like four years younger than than Ricky Pierce Or at least three
9:48years younger than Ricky Pierce So now he's starting to be in the mix with guys like him That have flashed but
9:56have not fully broken out that are day three picks So pretty much all these injuries what they've done If you just
10:03look at the dynasty rankings It is sort of it has completely evaporated That first round pick draft capital advantage that Ricky
10:10Pierce All had going in now he's basically gonna have to earn his role with whatever team he's on next when he's
10:17healthy He's gonna have to earn it as if he was a day three pick or an undrafted free agent Yeah, that's
10:24I completely agree with that Yes, that's the that's that's the rub with Ricky Pierce saw I wish I have some Ricky
10:32pairs all in dynasty I wish his value wasn't so bottomed out at this point But it it you ask yourself what
10:39would you give for Ricky Pierce saw and most people aren't even interested at all though There's not a single player on
10:46their roster They would even consider giving for Ricky Pierce because they know it's probably over This PCL is interesting, right?
10:53This PCL is interesting and by the way, I know that you're very concerned about Mike Evans I think the upside with
11:00Mike Evans is so big that I'm willing to take that risk We are above consensus and I am taking that risk
11:07Sure, he might miss a game or two, but just make sure this guy's hydrated and get him the hell away from
11:15that electric substation Yes, have you seen this electric substation?
11:18Yeah, very unclear if it makes a difference nobody really knows But it's a compelling story in a lot of ways some
11:25of the facts don't quite line up in that What are some of the what are some of the facts that don't line up?
11:33I want to hear that well, it's just been there a long time they've they've it's not new finding in and Yes,
11:40they've had a lot of injuries, but you know, it's I think there's just a lack of scientific clarity And there's a
11:48fair number of like experts in the that field which I would not consider myself who say It doesn't have any impact.
11:55So, you know, we're taking basically like studies in in like petri dishes to then Extrapolate and say like hey this causes
12:02injury So we just don't really know is the short answer of it There's been actually some research organizations that have even
12:09reached out seeing if there's interest in studying this But I think it's gonna be a ways off before we really know
12:16my thought is like maybe just Let's move the practice facility somewhere else But you can see it in in all their
12:24videos too and not the greatest imagery It's a problem in that I know for a fact there's no way it can
12:31be this viral online and not affect some of the players Yeah, I think that's fair I guarantee some of the players
12:38are asking questions and are not a hundred percent comfortable and confident in the venue where they're practicing and that's a problem
12:45The other problem I have though is that that's the most expensive place for land anywhere Yes, so it's not like they
12:53can just build another field adjacent to that one or down the street away from the electric substation They are stuck there
13:00given the property prices and that's that's courtesy of a dave kluge on twitter.
13:04We had this whole debate I'm like hey, do you think they'll move the practice facility because this is it?
13:11This is actually becoming a problem. It's becoming a problem for the 49ers I was there.
13:16I was reporting live. It's on my my my twitter at fantasy underscore mansion I was from the electric substation when I
13:23was at the super bowl We do it was crazy close the photos are not doctored about how adjacent the two properties are.
13:31It's crazy. It is Yeah, I like to think that this is some level of team incompetence.
13:37I really I always like to think that though Yeah, I mean again, I can't disagree with any of any of the
13:44things you said I think it'd be a few years before we have like actual data to say this does or does
13:51not matter Just get mike evans to the finish line get him to the end of preseason get him away from that
13:58electric substation Maybe they practice there all the time.
14:01So he'll never get away from anyway Get him on the field.
14:05I want we want the big spike week from mike evans week one.
14:09Let's make it happen Come on. Come on. Let's just keep it together.
14:14Mike. Just keep it. No more injuries. No more quads But pcls no pcls mike evans don't want to hear the word
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15:05that let you do it all from athletic to athletic sierra's got it There's been some wide receivers at a pcl injuries and came back.
15:13What about uh, is drake london one of those?
15:16Yes, exactly. So Drake London came back pretty quick from a pcl last year Uh, you know, it probably did hurt his
15:23stats pretty significantly and that's typically what you see in an in-season return We saw him week through week 11 wide receiver
15:30three then he injured his pcl And afterwards kind of had a little bit of an up and down nothing spectacular type
15:37of finish Uh, but you look at the timeline and then now the timeline that he's had to recover The rare case
15:45of ricky pierce all should not scare us away from pcls in general Most do not need surgery and most the year
15:52after meaning after a full off season of of recovery Don't cause any lingering impact So in drake london's case, you would
15:59expect him basically back at peak form and he's otherwise been pretty reliable Rarely missed games.
16:04So I would be pretty confident in london. I actually think he's a value where he's going right now Love that.
16:11Yeah, I love that Drake london has a problem.
16:14It's not his pcl. It's his left-handed quarterbacks If he didn't have left-handed quarterbacks, i'd like london a little bit more a
16:22little bit more But he's he's down if you go to player profiler right now look at his his uh, his live
16:29best ball adp It's now outside the top 20.
16:32So that's that's pretty that's you you have to be a buyer there Don't you you have to be yeah, totally.
16:39I I think that's an easy hit for me Yeah, totally totally totally gonna be a buyer there.
16:45Yeah, I mean look at this. I mean come on.
16:48Yes, let's do this like 21 player 21 there's 20 players you'd rather have in best ball than drake london hard to
16:55believe Absolutely not How do I don't think so?
16:58I don't know. There's just no way. There's no way who else?
17:02Uh Oh, dalton kinkade is a pcl, right? Or does he not have a pcl or what happened with dalton kinkade?
17:09Yeah, so this one it sounds like was pretty severe back in 2024 is when he originally sustained the injury last year
17:16He was in and out of the lineup Missed a few games.
17:20It was about four games that he missed and they didn't really make clear why he missed those games in at the
17:27time But this offseason they've come out and said that was actually related to lingering effects or re-aggravation of that prior pcl
17:34So kinkade you have to also think if guys are missing games They are likely also affected when they are playing and
17:42practicing and missing practice time as well So dalton kinkade's 2025 I think is probably shows a An understated or an undersold
17:49version of what he really is and again if he's had a healthy offseason to Bounce all the way back is what
17:56the data says You would expect him to be hard to know exactly what since he's not been in the league that
18:03long But probably better than what he was last year and he did show flashes and he was good in the playoffs
18:11as well Big contributor for them, but I would anticipate but don't kinkade Probably a value where he's going Yeah, and there's
18:18been injuries to the bills right the bills there's been some some recent Reports of bills wide receivers getting banged up like
18:25josh palmer their fringe, but those targets have to go somewhere They they have they have to go somewhere and a lot
18:32of them go to dj more dj more is also pretty teed up think dj more is playing hurt last year You
18:39know, it's it's hard to say with dj morg He seemed like there was not a system fit or at least not
18:47a coach preference given the The large variety of guys that ben johnson had brought in I i'm not sure that there
18:54was any clear answer on it It didn't look like it was an obvious injury impact, but at the same time I
19:01I think it may have been system related so hard for me to say on that one But I wouldn't write off
19:08dj more He's certainly not at an age where you would expect him to be totally like washed.
19:14No. Yeah I mean the funny thing is he had similar air yards from 2024 to 2025 but four points per game
19:22more in 2024 than he did in 2025 because He enjoyed a lot more yak with those air yards and then same
19:29number of touchdowns So it's like it if things just break his way, he didn't even play that bad.
19:35That's the thing like it's like He he's been the victim of of some long tail Unfortunate unlucky stats, you know when
19:42you just look at the aggregate of all the opportunities that he had in that particular season It's like okay some this
19:49isn't right like so he should have scored more fantasy points Just like there was a year in 2023 when he had
19:5717 fantasy points a game That's not the type of receiver.
20:00He is he's not a 17 fantasy points per game receiver But he had eight touchdowns and he had it's some huge
20:08yardage games against some bad secondaries And that's how that happens and in the previous year Similar target share even more targets right?
20:15Uh two years earlier. He only scores 14 fantasy points per game How's that even possible almost 30 more targets?
20:22200 more air yards. Oh, well, it's just the way the the yak the way that the defenders can align you up
20:29or not when you're making a catch Sometimes they do sometimes they don't that's luck and then a lot of this uh,
20:36the touchdown variants year to year and so Yeah, dj more this whether he was injured or not last year The bottom line is he's very very durable.
20:45That's one of the he has like the anti mike evans Yeah, I mean if you feel like he's been injured a
20:53lot because he plays injured a lot But actually dj more five straight seasons with 17 games played in to your point
21:00You probably don't give up a second round pick if you're not planning to use him.
21:05Yeah, no, they're gonna yeah This is the year.
21:08This is the year. I thought this was also the year of mike evans and dj more um, um, i'm waning a
21:15little bit This quad injury has me concerned with mike evans and it's sort of reminder.
21:20Yeah about how fragile his lower body is It's like yeah, yeah, but This whole passing game to himself Conflicted very conflicted
21:28uh Most people that I most of the or seasonal rankings i've seen assuming tucker craft's just going to be back week
21:35one and be His same efficient yards after the con yards after contact monster Capabilities and i'm not sure yeah, the data
21:42would say that you're probably right on that in that Yes, I think he will be back week one The packers have
21:49been pretty strict about the nine month rule being the minimum timeline to return players or practice so That for him is
21:57in the next week or two So you probably will see him practice at that point.
22:02I think at that point you'll probably see his adp rise Now to your point that people are penciling him to be
22:09exactly what he was before that That's not usually what happens typically you see About a four to six week ramp up
22:16for tight ends in terms of their volume of snaps and targets So for him to be where he was I think
22:24you'll probably be looking at like week six to eight onwards But prior to that he actually projects for a relatively strong
22:31Bounce back season from the aco because he's a high percentile athlete.
22:35He's 95th or so percentile athlete at his position So I I do think he'll be very good Uh, but Exactly what
22:42he was that that's probably going to be mid season on you got to check this out Check this out.
22:48Look at this look under the efficiency stats. What do you notice?
22:52The yards per route run, but what is it fueled by yards after the catch?
22:57Look at his yards after the catch his yards after the catch 7.8 yards after the catch per target That's almost a
23:05first down after the catch and went crazy So that's why he's number one in in yards per team pass attempt But
23:12that's also the thing that the acl tear hinders the most is your explosiveness after the catch the ability to Coil and
23:19uncoil after a catch Yeah, you're exactly right. That's that cutting and quick reaction That's where you see the the limitation early
23:26on again He's strong enough as an athlete that he probably Doesn't have like as pronounced of an effect as the average
23:33nfl player But yes, I don't think he's gonna look immediately like those numbers That you pointed out But my home is
23:41my home So my my my position on my homes is hey, man He tore his leg not his arm, so let
23:48him go just get him out there who cares?
23:51He's gonna be fine He's gonna figure it out If he loses a little bit of velocity early in the year or
23:58doesn't have quite the trust in his lower body He's just gonna fling it a little more sideways or a little bit
24:05more backwards or what he's gonna get it there I don't care I'm I just I just drafted my homes again and
24:13a dynasty startup again Yeah, I don't have real concerns about my homes from a performance standpoint Uh, the key with him
24:20is that when quarterbacks return from an acl and he had acl plus lco So you think the effect probably a little bit bigger?
24:28There's two things that happen one their passing production does not dip even year one So to your point, he's probably going
24:35to figure that out pretty quick Secondly, their rushing volume does dip usually for about 12 months post-surgery Which for him would
24:42be december and then they're rushing efficiency meaning yards per carry also does dip And then with my homes that's further compounded
24:49by one they added kenneth walker and two He's even come out and said that he probably ran a little bit too
24:57much last year And so all of those things together.
25:00I expect a good my home from the pocket I don't expect that much rushing especially early on december onwards Historically, it's
25:07kind of when you see him use the legs more in the playoffs And I think you will see him basically look
25:14like him his old self So I I think he's a good bet.
25:19He's actually the favorite betting favorite for comeback player of the year around plus 200 But I think he's a good bet for that.
25:26Although it's not an amazing value He's getting cheaper and cheaper in best ball.
25:31I don't know what's going on, but he's down 17 spots last 14 days I don't know what's happening right now, but
25:38did I I guess that because he's not participating 100% In all the 11 on 11 drills that that's what that's from
25:46really people that's what's their expectation from a Late season acl recovery.
25:49That's what you're this is I didn't think when I saw this news That he's still limited in some drills would that
25:57suppresses his is or crash his best ball adp Great wild question.
26:01What the other thing with my homes? He's one of the most Durable or you could call it tough players that we've
26:08ever seen he's played through He came back quickly from a kneecap dislocation.
26:12He's played through high ankles and mcl sprain So this is not a guy who misses time easily.
26:18I would very strongly expect him to be out there week one Yeah, so that's that's just a little bit of it's
26:25just you know market blip It's really all that can be and he's going to show up to 11 and 11s and
26:32he's going to be right back up to like Slot 80 in best ball Which injury are you more concerned about the
26:40injury recovery for bucky irving or cam scadaboo? I would say cam scadaboo the bucky irving one the data is actually pretty
26:47favorable He had a shoulder labrum surgery in over the offseason.
26:51He's now back and cleared Uh, he the data on this is pretty favorable that players bounce back quite quickly To return
26:58to pre-injury level of production and if you look at what is his pre-injury level of production You kind of have to
27:05separate pre and post injury when before the injury occurred week weeks one through four He had quite good numbers, but specifically
27:12in the receiving game receiving Receptions and also receiving yards per game when he came back in the last four or five
27:19weeks of the season He had a 70 drop in those numbers specifically and that's where you would expect to see the
27:27limitations if somebody can't trust their shoulder They're probably not gonna be able to catch as much So I I would say
27:34bucky irving I would expect him to be basically back to what he was at the beginning of the season, which was
27:41pretty strong The question with irving is role and you may be able to comment on that in terms of you know
27:48They have a little bit of a deep backfield and uh, i'm not sure if his role changes cam scadaboo The ankle
27:56fracture dislocation it Generally does predict a dip in his rushing efficiency until he gets to about 12 months So that for
28:03him would be like late october early november Uh at that point usually you see see a player hit about 90 of
28:10their their pre-injury efficiency level The short yardage role is probably somewhat protected from all of this I think you're you're not
28:17seeing you know, you're you're not going to see him probably lose out on his his goal line touches and that sort
28:25of thing Uh, and I think their volume wise we don't generally see a dip in the number of carries that a
28:32running back sees So I think from that standpoint both i'm a little bit optimistic on the injury recovery But the data
28:39would say that cam scadaboo initially may not look exactly like himself Oh wow, I thought you're gonna say the opposite.
28:46So, uh, yeah Bucky irving is a value. I have to admit it.
28:50I love kenneth gainwell and I wrote an article on our patreon patreon.com slash podfather That's how you support the show and
28:57you get you know weekly content from the podfather straight from the horses fathers You know Not gonna not gonna do it.
29:05No cliches But i'll stumble all around just to make sure I don't cliche So players that I like that I can't
29:12draft because they're just Kenneth gainwell all the values baked in like you're not getting a deal on kenneth gainwell The deal
29:19is actually either bucky irving or sean tucker you want to get on either side of the kenneth gainwell pick In terms
29:26of betting on that backfield and i'm not a bucky irving guy, but i'm like hey listen Last time I checked for 10 years.
29:34No one was that worried about kenneth gainwell showing up So i'm gonna go ahead and maybe bet on bucky irving not
29:41just suddenly Showing up to work one day and have the rug pulled on his whole role.
29:47I don't think that's gonna happen So for that reason I like bucky.
29:51What about jonathan brooks? He has a ton of upside You just almost have to draft him just in case that he's
29:58a hundred percent But what what it was What are the odds that coming off the same surgery to this same body part?
30:06What are the odds that he could be? Technically exactly what he was back at texas The data says about 50 so
30:13about half of players don't make it back to that level Have to and the ones that that do make it back
30:20that is uh Predicted by young age high draft capital and then also having extreme level of pre-injury athleticism All the reports
30:28from camp sound very promising on on jonathan brooks.
30:31I would be in on jonathan brooks I'm, not sure exactly what they have intended for his role But if he looks
30:38as good as he could potentially then you have to think they're gonna just start feeding him Yeah, okay 50 percent chance
30:45though you really you said if we're gonna we're gonna go by the data the 50 percent chance I have a coin
30:52right here Flip the coin here we go It is Uh, what do you think?
30:57Uh heads Heads he's gonna exceed expectations and be back to what he was tails He won't be what do you think what do you got?
31:06I'll take heads tails damn it Oh So on the one hand we have your Expert advice where you're like yeah the
31:13data is 50 50 but when I examine this particular case I'm very encouraged by it So you've got you got you
31:20on that side of the 50 50 and then we've also just got the the coin who what the coin says Yeah,
31:27so you can either go with what a coin says or with deepak who's way smarter than a coin says and I
31:35so I think I just I will be continuing to buy jonathan brooks and just that's it's the easy It's like a shortcut.
31:42It's like I need Upside I have an upside quota.
31:46Oh, just make oh You're walking through the aisle Make sure we get jonathan brooks in the cart and then we're off
31:53right We've we've done our we've done it luther burdens banged up now He plays very violently he practices very violently and
32:00yeah now he's banged up Of course a lot of these a lot of these wide receivers are banged up Beca buka
32:07he's getting a maintenance day You see a lot of this a lot of these maintenance days Ideally whatever happened to luther
32:14burdened when this clash that he had with the corner where they just We love watching him clash right He's training camp practices.
32:22We love watching that but there there's a bit of a cost to that on the other side of luther burden We've
32:29got roma doing say roma duns a came out and said That he doesn't think his foot's ever going to be the
32:36same because of the way cartilage heals in the foot And then they asked him again recently and it's up there on
32:44player profiler player profiler.com slash news and he said oh It's it's tip top never felt better.
32:49So what does that tell you? Yeah I think those initial comments were a little bit misleading in that he what he
32:56was saying is that it feels different It's his new normal He has calluses and that's just how fractures heal in general.
33:04He Uh doesn't the data says that once these fractures heal you should get back to pretty much full strength and and
33:11that's where I would expect him to be I wouldn't expect any limitations if you look at lute, uh, excuse me Roma
33:18duns a the first four weeks of the year.
33:21He put up five touchdowns last year So he's strong player when he's healthy and then after that he started dealing with
33:28the foot issue and he was in and out of practice Played through it, but very likely was affected in terms of
33:36his explosiveness and his performance I would expect him to be strong going into this year and there is some degree of
33:43re-injury risk It's hard to exactly quantify it because it's not that common of an injury to begin with But I would
33:50say I I don't have major reservations on duns And in fact, I think those comments from the offseason probably depressed his
33:57value at least early on to a point where I was hitting Draft on on every every opportunity.
34:03Okay, so he Studies injuries for a living he is buying drake london based on this.
34:08He is buying roma duns a based on this So that we already this these these are things we know now and
34:16that's big It sounds like you're also buying jonathan brooks.
34:19Yeah, I think jonathan brooks. I'm not as confident as I am in the other two But with that being said, you
34:26know As you kind of pointed out you're looking for upside that late and I Think you're not having to spend a huge price tag on him.
34:35So I think it's very reasonable to go for it You said that about bucky irving too.
34:41You're buying bucky irving I'm not as convinced on bucky irving's role because of everybody else involved But I think as a
34:48player and in terms of like his efficiency in production The one thing I I do think about is like if he
34:55looks the way he did before And you see that as a coach are you really going to not give him the ball?
35:03So I I would expect him to be a good player and and get back out there I just think they're the
35:10role is a little bit harder and his price tag is uh, you know It's not like you're just a relate around flyer, right?
35:18So so I think there's that to me as a judgment call I've taken some bucky, but i'm you know, certainly not
35:25a player i'm avoiding by any means Yeah, bucky irving's adp is in best ball 55, right?
35:31So this is back of the back part of the fifth round.
35:34So yeah, definitely not not free by any means Not by any means A.J brown he's had a history of knee injuries,
35:42but this feels like a peak a.j brown season Like we're gonna look back in the annals of football statistics and this
35:49just seems so obvious Like this is gonna be that a.j brown where he's 28 turning 29 that he's gonna have one
35:56of those 1300 plus yard seasons with With double digit touchdowns.
36:00That's just how it feels And if you're buying him in dynasty, you know, the knees are bad, but you're buying him
36:07for this year really Yeah, I very much agree with that the knee does have history of cleanup surgeries It kind of
36:14suggests that he has some cartilage damage So you would expect his prime to end a little bit shorter or quicker than
36:21the typical wide receiver without that history With that being said the minor issue sounds like he dislocated his thumb and immediately
36:29popped it back in and and basically went along with practice Yeah, as long as that doesn't recur in the rest of
36:36the preseason You wouldn't expect that to necessarily cause any lingering impact in the season And I agree with you very much
36:43that, you know, even if you look at last year I think his numbers one you could say affected by system attitude, etc.
36:51But secondly, he did have a preseason hamstring injury Last year and then he re-aggravated it in week eight and if you
36:58look at weeks one through seven He was wide receiver 29 last year you look at after he you could say kind
37:05of healed up and returned weeks 12 through 17 He was wide receiver 11.
37:10So I I think a.j brown even though last year on the whole on the aggregate didn't look that good The back
37:17half of it did and I would very much expect him to be hungry and ready to prove something So as long
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38:15reverse Emeka Ibuka He was yes Almost exactly I think with Emeka Ibuka If you look at his first Six weeks pre-hamstring
38:22injury He was wide receiver three So even a more extreme example But the other thing with Ibuka that isn't necessarily the
38:29case with AJ Brown Is that was also around the time Not only Ibuka's injury happened But then Baker Mayfield had a
38:36collection of injuries And Oh this is something I've been paying attention to This Yes Yes Okay Ibuka how hurt was he
38:44Did he come back too early Is that on him Is that on the doctors How can I even gauge this Monitor
38:51this It's impossible But the one aspect of this narrative That he was suppressed by injuries in the second half It's not
38:58just his own We do know We have We do know Because of this Netflix documentary Quarterback We know What Baker Mayfield
39:05was dealing with Yeah exactly And if you look at Week seven onwards for Ibuka He was wide receiver 43 So that
39:13On the whole The season doesn't look That impressive He probably came back Faster than he should For a hamstring He didn't
39:20really miss time So I would expect A strong start from Ibuka He doesn't have a concerning history Nobody can totally say
39:27That wide receivers Are never going to get injured But with that being said I don't have any strong reason To suspect
39:34it So I would feel Pretty optimistic about this And especially You know Mike Evans now being gone as well So I
39:42would think Ibuka Is a smash hit He's going at pick 30 Pick 30 in Dynasty On sleeper Pick 30 For Egmeca
39:49Ibuka That also includes Superflex So he's certainly going to go Earlier than that If it's You have him to be a
39:56single quarterback Dynasty League You can't Can't take him that Can't take him that late It's not going to happen Woo What
40:03about What about another player That Potentially Is in a much better situation This year With his health And the health Of
40:10his teammates His supporting cast Like Saquon Barkley Yeah I think Saquon Barkley Is the perfect example Of that If you look
40:18at Last year His O-line Was decimated He had Injuries to the center Juergens The guard Dickerson And then Lane Johnson The
40:25star tackle All played through Major injuries All very likely With a pretty real dip And they actually Talked about these On
40:32various podcast episodes So it's not Just kind of Speculative From that perspective If you look at His His drop-off In 2024
40:39Led the league In yards before Contact By over 200 yards 2025 is about League average For that number But then Had
40:47the third Highest Negative rush rate In the league And that You have to think Is related to This O-line He didn't
40:54really Show signs Necessarily Of him slowing Down drastically I think The offense Was a little bit Messy at times And a
41:01lot of That had to do With the O-line So even if They're back To medium Level or league Average You would
41:08expect A better Better season From Saquon I mean look At the yards Per carry From 5.8 On 340 Carries To 4.1
41:15On 280 Usually it's The more Carries you Absorb The lower Your yards Per carry Your yards Per carrier Roads Just based
41:23On sample That did not Happen in this Case The exact Opposite Happened He was The cold Fusion Running back Of all
41:30time In 2024 As you Ramped up The volume He became More efficient And then scored 15 touchdowns Really the 9 to
41:3715 Touchdown Per season Is really What's going To drive Whether Saquon Barkley is a Value or not And if you Believe
41:44in The Eagles Offense Which is now Harder and Harder to Believe in But just have To have some Faith in it
41:52And then he'll Get there Yeah I think That's a pretty Fair way of Looking at it I'm not saying I'm hitting
41:59on Saquon Barkley Every time But at the Same time I'm not totally Shying away Either No you want He's going To
42:06be healthy This year He's teed up For healthy Season We don't know For a fact He's going To be healthy But
42:13he is In a position From last season To this season And everything We've heard Throughout the Offseason That he's Seems to
42:21be In tip top At least One last go Of his prime Before he Reaches age 30 For a running Back Oh
42:28no How are we Feeling about Sam Laporta Pretty good For this year I would say He had a Disc that In
42:35his spine That had herniated Out and was Basically pushing On his nerve So that Is a pretty Big deal To be
42:42trying To play Through They shut Him down Had the Surgery The results Of clean up Surgery on This is Really good
42:49In the short Term Long term Though He has less That disc Acts acts So he Has less Of that There As
42:57a result There is An increased Long term Re-injury rate And generally Shorter primes Associated as Well So with that In mind
43:04I'm not Necessarily Searching to Buy him In dynasty If I have Him That I Don't feel Is unreasonable To expect A
43:11big Bounce back Incredibly Consistent Tight end Premium ADP For Sam Laporta He's the Guy He's probably The steadiest Most consistent ADP
43:18Like you know Exactly when He's going to Go He always Goes at That exact Spot If you Want good Tight end
43:26Production But you don't Want to pay The Loveland Level pricing You go Sam Laporta Because after Sam Laporta Everything feels A
43:33little bit Riskier A little more Volatile Like a Kyle Pitts Or an Injured Or at least Recovering Tucker Craft He's not
43:40going To be 100% This year He's not going To give you Exactly what He did last Year Especially In the yards
43:47After the Catch department Which we Explained Exactly But Sam Laporta Looks like He's ready For a year Of his Prime And
43:54to Cash One of Those In On one Of The Best Offenses In Of sense To me And I believe He is
44:02Less risky Than Tucker Craft At a Similar ADP And Because of The offense That he Operates In He actually Has more
44:09Upside So he Has more Upside And a Higher Floor Than Tucker Craft Why Aren't You Just Drafting Sam Laporta Yeah I
44:16think Very reasonable Statement All around I agree With you Also That It's Probably A less Risky Injury Than The Tucker Craft
44:23One And ACL Injury That We Should Have Mentioned That I Was Thinking Of ACL Injuries I Did A Couple Man I
44:31Found A Couple Right Off Top Of My Dome Right Yep You Did Heard His PCL Last Year And All We've Heard
44:38About Him Is That He Is A Super Human Unbelievable Incredible Player It's Like It Never Happened So Is It Just The
44:45Assumption That We're Making That He Had A Very Minor PCL Injury But Pearsall's Was Relatively Major And We Just One Heels
44:52Fully One Can't And We're Moving On Is That Is That Basically The Summary Well I Think The Other Thing Is With
44:59Pearsall He Took About Three Big Falls On That Knee During The Season And There Were Multiple Chances That He Re-aggravated So
45:07If Something Starts To Heal It's Not As Strong As You You You Re-tear It The More You Do That The Looser
45:14And Looser It's Going To To The Point Where Now Your Knee Is Kind Of Sliding A Little Bit More Than You
45:21Want Them To When You're Trying To Play And That Could Lead To Compromised Healing Now Bowers I Was Actually Pretty Surprised
45:28That He Would Suggest And Again The Ricky Pearsall Case Is Relatively Uncommon And That Vast Majority Of These Will Not Need
45:36Any Surgery Done So With Brock Bowers In The Nine Sort Of Healthy Relatively Healthy Games That School To Get To Sketch
45:43Eventually You Get There Eventually Daniel Jones I'm Heavily Invested In This Colts Offense Man I Love Tyler Warren I Think He's
45:50Arbitrage Colson Loveland Obviously Josh Downs One Of The Most Underrated Assets In All Of Fantasy Football Because He's Only 24 So
45:57Goes To Dynasty He's Going To Give You Plenty Of Floor Weeks In Best Ball But There's Also Going To Be Some
46:05Spike Weeks As Well With Touchdowns Yards After The Catch Those Are Things That Josh Downs Is Great At He Has A
46:12Bit Of A Little One Little Groin Injury It's Like A lot Of These Guys Some Tightness And They He's Practicing Fully
46:19I Don't Expect To See Any Limitations On Him From An Availability Perspective The Key With Daniel Jones Is That With These
46:26Achilles You Very Likely Don't Have Your Same Strength And As A Result Of That Mobility Ability To Scramble Probably Pretty Limited
46:33The Good Thing For Him Is That One They Have A Josh Downs And Jonathan Taylor And Tyler Warren Even If A
46:41That That's That's The Idea In That I Think He's Going To Look Pretty Good In The Role That He's Going To
46:48Play Just Not Running The Ball A Ton I Think Xavier Worthy Is Ever Going To Be A Thing I Do You
46:55Know The Video From Camp That He Re-injured His Operative Shoulder Looks Like He Fell On It And That's Usually An AC
47:02Joint Which Is Very Different Than The Labrum That He Had Repared Right You Don't Want The Shoulder Torn Out Pulled In
47:10The Wrong Direction You Rather Have Dislocating And So He Is Managing That In Season Risk The Entire Year I Don't Think
47:17We Saw An Accurate Reflection Of Xavier Worthy At All Last Year The Key With Him He Is Somewhat Small And I
47:24Worry About That A Little Bit But With That Being Said I Think In A Role I Think He Could Be Quite
47:31Good So Talking About I Was Like We We Talking Daniel Jones We Know Who We Talk About Next Not So Fast
47:38No Xavier Worthy We We Got A Zag Back I Need To Know I I Fading Alec Pierce Into Oblivion Where Are
47:46We At With This Alec Pierce Yeah I Mean Alec Pierce It's And If That's The Case If He Logs Three Or
47:53Four Weeks Of Practice I Would Expect Him To Play Week One I Know That We've Covered This Yeah We're Now Getting
48:00Into A Place Where It's Like Hey Are You Bullish On This Guy You're Like Oh Soon To Be Full Strength Now
48:07We Could Miss On This One I Fully Put That Caveat Out There It's Just That The Risk Is Increasing And The
48:15Other Thing That I Think About Is Daniel Jones Coming Off Achilles He's A Right Sided Achilles So His And Alec Pierce
48:22But I'll Go As You Said Josh Downs Tyler Warren On The Other Part Of The Offense Yes Oh God Yeah It
48:29Feels So Good Value Alert On Josh Downs And Tyler Warren I Had To Get It I I Was Like We We
48:36Talked At It Yeah But We Didn't Really Drill Into It We Just Kind Of Surface Level Hey Here's The Situation You
48:44And You You You You You operates and what Daniel Jones feels comfortable doing short intermediate middle of the field that's where
48:51Josh Downs is you could argue Josh Downs is in that area of the field more than even Tyler Warren yeah and
48:58especially Daniel Jones off an Achilles not going to be wanting to hold that ball too long I would think so many
49:05reasons so many reasons why you want to go Josh Downs and why you want to absolutely forget about Alec Pierce this
49:12is one of those shows where we we have a Alec Pierce graphic for the show and then typically we either forget
49:20to talk about that player or we barely know I wanted to make sure we're getting all angles of Alec Pierce we're
49:27going to put it out there you could skip to different parts of the show and still Alec Pierce talk okay got
49:34it we're we're out we're so out we're so out but you're in on Malik neighbors I am I think his ADP
49:41is going to rise over the next couple weeks uh he is trending towards coming back week one now he hasn't yet
49:49participated in contact so full team drills that's the one last step here and once he does that you would expect the
49:56ramp up to be relatively smooth uh now the one caveat here is that Malik neighbors typically you would see with wide
50:03receivers of his caliber of about a four week ramp up in target volume and snap count so I don't expect week
50:10one that he's going to look like the old Malik neighbors but I do anticipate usually by about week six is if
50:17he does start week one by about week six he looks quite strong and from there he's he's a 90 plus percentile
50:25athlete just same way we talked about with Tucker Kraft he's got age on his side as well so all of that
50:32and then the role of course he's the clear wide receiver one so I would I would say right now where he's
50:39going you know I think there's a few players in that range that I would still take him over if you bump
50:46him up he's going third round Deepak he's going third round right now yeah I think wide receiver excuse me I think
50:54in third round I think I'm taking him without question but if you start to bump him up to like mid-second then
51:01it starts to be a little bit more of a thought process that has to go into it I think but right
51:08now where he's going I would take him with the heartbeat I just think that in the next couple weeks you're probably
51:15going to see that ADP rise if he returns to contact practice which is similar to kind of what I'm thinking with
51:23Tucker Kraft that those numbers probably start bumping up as the headlines come come in positively but if you're going to suggest
51:30that Baker Mayfield is going to be better this year than last year which is why you might want to be bullish
51:37on a buka for example right well there's also the other end of the spectrum there's quarterbacks that are regressing this year
51:44and so we again I always talk about if we're gonna if we're gonna talk if we're gonna focus on the positive
51:51by the positive regression we also should be aware and acknowledge the negative regression and that's a guy like Jackson Dart you
51:59put go to the news on player profiler playerprofiler.com slash news Jackson dark erratic again at Giants camp neighbors affected we have
52:06Malachi Fields now making plays seizing that number two really number one for now but when neighbors is is back and and
52:13playing an 11 on 11 drills he'll be the number two but suddenly now Malachi Fields a big target out there they're
52:20talking all about how Isaiah likely like is a target magnet look at the news it's right there just go to Malik
52:28neighbors player page on player profiler and you'll get everything you need the ADP the contract the recent news related news everything
52:35you need on Malik neighbors and it doesn't add up to me it's just not adding up there seems to be a
52:42lot of risk both from Jackson Dart and his health and just the overall offense the offensive line there's we'll see we'll
52:49see I I love a good value but I gotta tell you I'm not drafting Malik neighbors in the second round I
52:56don't care I don't care what we hear I mean you could put any bit of news in front of me I'm
53:04not going second round I'm like neighbors I'm just that's just me that's I maybe I have PTSD on this I think
53:11it's very reasonable what you're saying I think in round three to me it's I'm happy to take him there but as
53:18you said if he starts climbing which you would probably anticipate him doing in the next few weeks then I it I
53:25would not sure I would I would be as confident in that I'm gonna be out I'm gonna be out at that
53:33point right uh you're you must be encouraged by Tank Dell yes and no I mean in as a Texans fan I
53:40want to see Tank Dell back to what he was and you know strongly rooting for this guy but this is a
53:47massive injury so you know if you remember back to like Javante Williams for example uh this can be a multi-year recovery
53:54where you don't see the player immediately look like he used to and that's kind of what the data would suggest with
54:01Tank Dell now maybe we're going to be missing on this one but I'm okay taking a pass here and okay uh
54:09yeah I'm actually not really looking to pick him up this year at least for a redraft dynasty now the thing you
54:16have to consider is when the player has this magnitude of injury the data would be pretty strong to say their prime
54:23would be shorter now uh with that being said you know if he comes back and he doesn't look that great then
54:30in dynasty I may be looking to buy because the following year is when he projects to come back close to what
54:38he was before so this year I think he'll play I certainly don't have any expectation that he won't he actually looks
54:45really good that's what I'm saying it's just that you know those are mostly videos on air right so I I don't
54:52know that I can really extrapolate that when the data is very convincing the other way uh you look at J.K.
54:59Dobbins you look at uh Javante Williams guys who have come back from these types of injuries and they were actually probably
55:06less severe than what this was and uh I I just have some real hesitation about going straight for him this year
55:13yeah fade tank Dell that's that's unfortunate we we need we need to talk about a few more players okay we're gonna
55:21go rapid fire we're gonna come back with rapid fire I mean we haven't talked about George Kittle yet we haven't talked
55:28about the Atlanta quarterbacks we haven't talked about Devante Smith and Makai Lennon there we've talked about Zach Charbonnet so you know
55:35we we've we've got a lot to talk about and we're gonna get we're gonna get right back into it after this
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57:31yes yes yes yes rashi rice he was rehabbing from a jail cell they're bringing him on slow how do you feel
57:38about Rashi Rice this year i feel good this year the concern here comes that he had a loose body removal usually
57:45loose body means you have some sort of cartilage damage and that does predict a shorter prime now with rashi rice this
57:52year that probably doesn't come up he's pretty young still so no limitations expected and he's a yak guy that's the other
58:00problem like the the players that rely on yak age the fastest also true uh usually you wouldn't see that this year
58:07though exactly exactly so rashi rice he's 25 years old it's not an issue it's just that know that players like aj
58:14brown same thing debo samuel same these guys rely on yak and their lower bodies start to degrade faster than the players
58:21that are on the sideline that are that are maximizing their production primarily with air yards and so that's why you see
58:29that they're the shortened careers of a guy like debo i mean if debo took care of his strength and conditioning he
58:36might have a couple extra years but he's not if he's not going to do that and he's going to rely on
58:43yak then you're putting so much pressure on your body age 29 you're an overcooked turkey and that's just the way it
58:50is not unfair he's like well that felt like old was it old school he's like that was perfect i don't have
58:57a response okay davante smith mckay lemon apparently mckay lemon tried to come back early and then got hurt again what just
59:05happened the mckay lemon was a little bit more concerning uh i would say davante smith i'm not that concerned he uh
59:12a veteran having some rest time because of what is reported as a mild hamstring uh again if it doesn't linger into
59:19training camp typically won't predict that he misses any in season time as a result uh mckay lemon on the other hand
59:26rookies who miss time with injury tend to start slower and i think we saw this uh last year with luther burden
59:34as well and so mckay lemon the fact that it is potentially a re-aggravation even though right now they're saying it's mild
59:41uh does raise my concern just a little bit he's not really a player i was targeting anyway based on fit for
59:48uh redraft at least and so i'm not you know overly concerned that it drops him drastically but i i think there's
59:55safer picks in that area they suffered simultaneous hamstring injuries but they're two completely different situations one is essentially a mask for
60:02veteran maintenance like that's what that is okay he has a little bit of tightness in his leg he's probably dehydrated one
60:10day and let's take five days off great and it's like it never happened mckay lemon absolutely did happen he missed a
60:17bunch of camp with it so if you're going to miss otas with an injury then you have that injury again during
60:24training camp they might shut this guy down for an extended period like two weeks then he misses two weeks of camp
60:31after missing all of otas there's just there are not a lot of plays he can even run so that's when you're
60:39going to see more marquise brown more don'tavian wicks much to our chagrin i don't want this i have jalen hurts and
60:46dynasty i like mckay lemon i have a bunch of mckay lemon i mean this is this is not good but this
60:53all bodes poorly this this is teeing up so perfectly for him to have like a ricky pierce all rookie year where
61:00he flashes big time in december he has some big plays and some big splash performances in december and everybody's on lemon
61:08as of next march but if you drafted him this year you're probably not going to get fantasy points commiserate with what
61:15you had to pay yeah totally agree with all of that oh fuck i hate it when you agree i want to
61:22i want to set up something so specific that it's just so easy if you just to pull like one block out
61:29and the whole tower collapses but unfortunately i've just seen too many of these movies before yeah i mean for what it's
61:36worth it makes me more optimistic on davante actually so uh that that's the guy i want you're welcome you're what thank
61:44you you're welcome i'm glad i could give some service to you in examining these injuries and how they might affect fantasy
61:51values okay chris rodriguez they seem to be easing him back in not quite ready to open it up fully still with
61:58that limited tag with the foot injury which makes sense with these these foot injuries i think would you agree that training
62:05staff are now much more sensitive cognizant of the the optimal protocol especially with these these complicated and sometimes mysterious foot injuries
62:13yeah i think i think the more like over the past several years they've just gained lots and lots of data the
62:20tracking has gotten a lot better so like player speed and how much force they're putting out and sort of how that
62:27tracks over the course of a practice or if you remember chip kelly like famously had players having chips and basically everything
62:34uh and so these types of things are are what they use and that's probably why they're saying chris rodriguez not quite
62:41ready for full action here i don't necessarily expect it to limit his in-season availability but the fact that he's being still
62:49kind of worked in makes me hesitant to pull the trigger on him really at any point uh in the draft i
62:56think his upside is somewhat limited oh his upside is for sure limited that's that's there's no doubt about that the question
63:03is in best ball for example does he give you that floor with some touchdown upside mixed in in the double digit
63:10rounds especially if you're going to have one of these like four or five running back builds i can see it i
63:18can see it but for a managed league if i can make add drops during the season there's just not enough upside
63:25there the one guy for best ball that i like probably more than market here is laquint allen because laquint allen will
63:32be the satellite back there in jacksonville he's gonna have some weeks some justice hill level weeks and then his role will
63:39expand if there's any any games missed especially by tootin but also even with rodriguez they would have to make him they
63:47would have to make alan the breather back in that case which would be great so that's a situation where a guy
63:54is super inexpensive uh but you can get sort of rj harvey level production many rounds later uh just in terms of
64:01that particular backfield how i feel about it and and i and in seattle i've really come around i'm like hey jadarian
64:08price is just where we need to be focused and so it's almost like we're late you and i talking about zach
64:15charbon because i just Zach Charbonnet i just don't care anymore yeah i mean i i think we should care uh really
64:23in a sense meaning yeah i mean he so he had surgery pretty late that's the thing with charbonnet it was around
64:30february that's the thing man and you know a nine month return would be relatively fast but but i think pretty doable
64:37uh that still puts him at november and if he comes back that early you're probably seeing limitations usually a limited workload
64:44that but the last sort of end part of the season which is an important part for a lot of our leagues
64:52that's where i would expect him to look relatively good and potentially useful especially you know we don't exactly know how the
64:59rest of that backfield is going to look so uh december is is when i would be sort of hoping optimistically to
65:06get some production out of charbonnet but i wouldn't be banking on him by any means to your point it's really throughout
65:13that's just based on like timeline data the most the simplest most trusted way to actually project when a guy's going to
65:20return that he's not adrian peterson okay if he's not adrian peterson he's probably going to come back around here beginning of
65:28november you won't see him look like himself till december meanwhile sports illustrated's albert breer is saying oh there's a it was
65:35a close call he could be ready for week one like he's just printing propaganda at that point yeah the data would
65:42pretty strongly say that you wouldn't see him at week one i mean that's seven months from an acl surgery thank you
65:49the the guys who come back that fast are usually 90 plus percentile athletes look look like you know zach charbonnet age-wise
65:57does does kind of fit that bill but but uh the rest of his profile isn't really like an adrian peterson who
66:04is just one of the most extreme athletic outlier we've probably seen okay so we have some questions from the chat we
66:11should get it because we have one more one more final question for you but uh i'm gonna i'm gonna involve the
66:18chat here uh so the the question that they have is luther burden's injury is serious if sorry sorry sorry everybody's heart
66:26skipped a beat no if it's not sir we don't know we don't know how serious luther burden's injury is in camp
66:33from having seen this movie before i don't think it's very serious this sounds very bruisey in terms of the the news
66:40i'm hearing on luther burden sounds bruisey and maintenancey right you know crampy you know these where you know these terms right
66:47these are official injury analysis terms right deepak yes just like sketch yeah okay if if it's if luther burden's injury is
66:54serious how high does adunze go oh man i mean i think i think you gotta upgrade adunze but to your point
67:02it sounds like he just collided with another player and then he was able to walk off even though he limped he
67:09was able to walk off so i don't know that we're necessarily you know bumping anybody up tremendously uh but adunze and
67:16i think loveland both are worth hitting if you're not already but i'm already hitting on both so i i would say
67:23you know you could push them both up if you wanted all right if you were in a keeper league this is
67:31this is a random question from the chat but hey we had the chat for a reason this is fun uh a
67:38random keeper league would you rather have judkins in the ninth tyler warren in the eighth or puka as your first round
67:45pick i'm taking tyler warren before daniel jones got injured he was tight end four uh so i i think he he
67:52could uh you know i think his last year numbers were probably under representative of what he really is judkins has some
67:59risk here because these uh these ankle fractures he had his in december they do tend to kind of predict a little
68:07bit of a lag in terms of the ability to return to pre-injury explosiveness and efficiency so for me warren i feel
68:14very good about and especially as we talked about with the daniel jones potential sort of altered mechanics and altered role uh
68:21would shift to the mid-range passing game so give me warren looks like we got a little frozen matt matt may have
68:28gotten booted off for a second so i'll give you a couple other guys i'm i'm looking at uh one is cd
68:36lamb now he may actually be undervalued if you can believe that with cd lamb he had a severe high ankle week
68:43three these typically cause about a two month dip in player performance so when you look at his his numbers pre and
68:50post those games which was uh basically the first two weeks of the season and then after that sort of two month
68:57window late november onwards if you look at those eight games he was on pace for about 1400 yards in the season
69:04uh as opposed to the about a thousand that he ended up getting so uh i think i think that's a potential
69:12value for you especially if you end up with one of those late late round one picks another piece of news that
69:19was out there was josh jacobs and uh he's dealing with reportedly a groin strain this may just be one of those
69:26veteran players without uh a tremendous um kind of impact on on his availability the main thing here we want to check
69:33back is that he this doesn't linger into actual preseason and if it does not then typically you would see him bounce
69:41back pretty strong jalen mcmillan something to watch out for he had a knee injury reported very limited info and uh the
69:48important thing here is that his prior injuries although he's had several were not reportedly knee related so i don't necessarily think
69:55this means he's injury prone by any means but uh but something to kind of keep an eye on so who did
70:02you end up keeping so tyler warren for me there's some risks with judkins with the ankle injury uh similar like we
70:10talked about with cascadabo except the difference being that judkins injury was in december so if you project him out even to
70:17a little bit of faster return to performance level that's still like late october so i i think uh the safer answer
70:24there for me is going to be warren and he was a superstar when jane jones was out there the last few
70:31weeks of the year jane jones of course was injured so i think his stats for the year in aggregate undersell what
70:38his real value is the jalen warren all the ultimate just the ultimate prize and all these tight end premium leagues i'm
70:46always just trying i just reached on i just took him in a startup tight end premium startup i took him i'll
70:53tell you where i took him i think i took him i think him in the third round i think i took
71:00him in the third round oh i'm back up oh we might be able to you know what we'll do is we'll
71:07we want to make a pick live on air i'll make a pick live yeah let's do it yeah let's see if
71:15we can do that so let's get that we'll pull up the draft room here okay so this is this is fun
71:22we're going to pull up the draft room i'm going to share the screen here is the pod fathers draft as it
71:29stands currently drake may marion hampton yes it was the third round tyler warren i was like why is that the third
71:36because i'm i'm kind of near the i'm near the turn there so did i take him at the end of the
71:43third or the beginning of the fourth sure enough it was end of the third and then somehow mahomes made it back
71:51to me i was not expecting that at all and but you'll notice that the guy that was to the left of
71:58me had two quarterbacks and i was like man i i could actually conceivably end up with mahomes here and then sure
72:05enough because both guys had drafted two quarterbacks mahomes made it all the way back around so it was it's wild man
72:12it's it mahomes at the 410 i just can't like i i've never in a tight end premium super flex format just
72:20thinking about the different values i've gotten on tight ends and quarterbacks just in the last few months hard to beat mahomes
72:27here at the 410 especially now in one of the reasons why he's available is because he's coming back from injury and
72:34from what i heard from you that's a good pick yeah i think i think pretty good pick you just have to
72:41kind of temper your expectations on the rushing specifically but the passing should be there sniped on kyle pitts the next guy
72:49in my queue is actually fernando mendoza to go three quarterbacks here i'm not doing it i know we just i just
72:56mentioned how this the the the teams to my left both have two quarterbacks so i can always get mendoza on the
73:03way back around saquon barkley is somehow still available uh even though this is technically the sixth round wow of a super
73:10flex tight end premium format i don't have hardly any barkley should i just get barkley here yeah oh yeah you think
73:17so i i certainly would yeah barkley barkley or judarian price i would go barkley let's go barkley let's go good that
73:25feels so good oh wow wow barkley that late barkley after tootin and henderson and irving oh man what what right exactly
73:32someone should trade it up for christian mccaffrey okay so and good good for them but i i just i just got
73:39saquon barkley without trading up at all that's wild i can't believe you fell that far i feel really good about that
73:46so yeah here is the here is the draft here is the draft now that i have barkley you can see whoo
73:54it's a fun it's a fun fun fun fun team i haven't done any trading at all uh and i but i've
74:01i've really enjoyed this particular draft it's pretty clean scoring the tight end premium is 1.75 so that's that was another reason
74:08why i was like man i gotta be really i gotta be aggressive i just want to show people my receipts we're
74:15talking about oh how aggressive is aggressive well a couple picks after loveland i'm picking tyler warren that's just what i'm doing
74:22another player i would like to get late that i'm trying to draft everywhere which goes along with a question that's in
74:30the chat here is keeping tony pollard or keeping george kittle we have not talked about george kittle yet another potential victim
74:37of the electric substation which has already eaten up ricky pierce all it's laid low mike evans it's put a pause on
74:44dijon striplings breakout we had a little bit of a was that a hamstring injury for a stripling they called it hamstring
74:51tightness it just implies a pretty low severity but yeah but again you know it's it is a little concerning that could
74:59be crampy that could be crampy though yeah it probably is not like high severity it's just that a rookie missing time
75:06in camp is you know never optimal that's right for his breakout i couldn't have said it better myself literally i've said
75:13that exact thing and i could not say it better myself because i've said that exact thing myself and i loved it
75:20when i said it and i loved it when you said it that's what i'm here for so george kittle he's coming
75:28back from a an achilles rupture this was a major injury he's also a complete fanatical worker outer so it's interesting he
75:35he comes back to a a team with wide open depth chart lots of vacated targets will ricky pierce all no brandon
75:42iuke no pierce all even christian kirk's been hurt so you just need to get these guys across the finish line healthy
75:49at the end of august and the two guys specifically i'm talking about other than christian mccaffrey who is i ironically the
75:56only healthy 49er it's fun to say that it's a fun phrase to say we've talked about how we're going to get
76:04mike evans across the finish line just let him heal this is potentially an injury that could be aggravated during the season
76:11so he's better off just taking days off than than pushing it at all just try to you know treat him like
76:18a glass doll leading up to the start of the season same thing with kittle the modern medical techniques are racing ahead
76:25particularly in the area of muscle regrowth and regeneration which extends into the tendons which are the connective tissue between muscles and
76:33the skeletal structure therefore it does make sense that as these prp and stem cell injections continue to become more popular and
76:40more refined that it would be tendon recovery that would be the most benefited yeah i mean i think all of that
76:47is pretty fair to say in general uh the one thing that you know with the achilles in general you typically see
76:54a pretty big dip in strength in that first whole year back and for most players it takes about 18 months to
77:01get it back uh if you look at historically nfl players they have dipped pretty severely even though the timeline since ever
77:09since about three four years ago when cam acres came back pretty quick around five months the timeline has started to push
77:16up pretty pretty significantly but you still see a pretty notable drop off in performance and especially for players george kittle is
77:23going to be needing the kind of he's not a quarterback so he needs to kind of be able to create that
77:30separation to some degree i think you're i'm not really in on kittle this year i think the reason is again you're
77:38expecting a pretty big dip in his strength now if you want to compare into the most modern example i would say
77:45jason tatum in the nba is a reasonable comparison he came back from an achilles his distance from the basket per shot
77:52was much higher this year and then he had a little bit of a soft tissue type re-aggravation um not anything severe
77:59but it did keep him out so with george kittle he's he's already given his history one of the highest risk players
78:06in that same category with mike evans he's had a lot of soft tissue strains and he's age over 30 and then
78:14now you add in this achilles i'm going to be out on george kittle but you know you you are taking him
78:21pretty late i don't think i would use a keeper on him i'm also not a huge tony pollard fan going back
78:28to that original question but but for me i'm going to hold off on george kittle i just think it's fun to
78:35just kind of go back and forth just kind of just flip back and forth oh there's george kittle oh there's the
78:43electric substation oh there's george kittle oh there's the electric substation it's just funny this is a that you've already said they
78:50have the most injury prone players at every position with the exception of quarterback they had the most injury prone running back
78:57you know look at his list of soft tissue injuries in the lower body it's it requires like multiple page refreshers on
79:04player profile when you scroll down to the injuries section then you've got george kittle at tight end you've got mike evans
79:12at wide receiver so it's very difficult to actually track the cause of these injuries to an electric substation when they're they're
79:19importing the most injured players to their roster and then you wonder why they're getting injured well it is you cannot necessarily
79:26pinpoint the cause and effect when there are extenuating circumstances several factors at play here mostly age and history of injuries and
79:33randomness we'll talk about all those things you can examine all of those items those data points before we talk about electric
79:40substations yeah i think that's pretty fair i mean if you look at mike evans and george kittle are both in that
79:48highest risk category i have uh christian ccafree obviously he's he played throughout last year he was he was strong and solid
79:55so you know i i would i don't know that i would put him in that same level as the others but
80:02he does have quite a history himself so you know they who knows if what the underlying factor is here the electrical
80:09substation may or may not be part of it you couldn't even get the term electrical substation out before i was laughing
80:17i wanted you to say it's so bad you were saying the electrical substation it's so good oh my that was terrific
80:24terrific so you're out on kettle wow that's not good i've uh i've been chasing so i've been chasing targets in san
80:31francisco because i know they're going to be playing from behind potentially some shootouts with like the rams and the seahawks and
80:38then when they play the cardinals what's going to happen they're just thinking about all these things like oh look at how
80:45aggressive some people are drafting brock purdy where those targets gonna go it is like oh they could go to a guy
80:53who has like 15 touchdowns and his range of outcomes and mike evans or you know the most efficient yards per target
81:00tight end of the last decade oh and george kittle it's like i get i just i get into a trance i
81:07get lured in by but these these to me typically it's more like a young explosive player when i was younger that
81:14was that that would be the shiny object that would captivate me now it's the old guy it's the old guy in
81:22the incredible target conservation situation that that that really gets me inspired it's funny yeah i mean it's hard not to think
81:29mike evans when he's out there is going to be a stud right i think that yes so we'll we'll do the
81:36the classic oh man we i don't want to go out on like the classic uh injury prediction backslide which is like
81:43oh i like player x when healthy or i like players y when healthy if healthy no no it's like you like
81:51him or not and actually having to do the research and analyze is this player an injury risk or not it's very
81:58difficult to pinpoint but there are some data points that do suggest just generally speaking based on the type of injury it
82:05is or specifically the news we're getting and the timing of the news we're getting that's more like the the risk around
82:12alec pierce whereas the risk with a zach charbonnet it's just like no matter what reports you're going to get from albert
82:19breer it's all nonsense because it's complete propaganda because it's never been done before it's just not how it works like it's
82:27like you could just bet against that player based on how acls work over here uh and you could also bet against
82:34alec pierce because it's like there's mystery around this but none of it is good and everything we're hearing is bad it's
82:41just every day you don't hear something positive with alec pierce his adp and your willingness to draft him needs to go
82:48down down down down down give us give us one more thing to close this out a player we haven't talked about
82:56that you believe like a saquon barkley like a drake london that for some extenuating circumstances you believe that whether it's their
83:03own health or the health of their supporting cast could ex could help them exceed expectations this year a player that's rarely
83:10talked about in the context of injury analysis but where you could use injury analysis to find some real value let's give
83:17give us just one more guy like that yeah one more guy uh cd lamb so this is not one that really
83:24people have been talking about but last year pretty major severe high ankle injury he came back relatively quick but these injuries
83:32tend to cause at least six to eight weeks of a performance hit so with that in mind week three was his
83:39injury if you look at his first two weeks and then give him that kind of two month leeway after that you
83:46pull basically his you could say recovered or at least partially recovered stats those eight weeks together he was on pace for
83:531400 yards so cd lamb you know i i think he's shown us huge huge upside he's shown us jamar chase type
84:01upside in the past and i i think there's no reason in my eyes to say that he's not capable of getting
84:08back right back there and i think last year he was actually on pace he had over 100 yards both of the
84:15first two games but then had this ankle injury so i think we just didn't really see it take the half round
84:22discount on city land this year right you know crampy you know these where you know these terms are these are official
84:30injury analysis terms right deepak yes just like sketch looks like we got a little frozen i don't have hardly any barkley
84:37should i just get barkley here yeah oh yeah yeah yeah oh yeah have you seen this electric substation yeah yeah oh
84:44yeah i don't know why i went off the dome like that that was weird but that's how i remembered uh the
84:51pcls age 29 you're an overcooked turkey and that's just the way it is not unfair luther burden's injury is serious if
84:58sorry sorry sorry sorry everybody i just everybody's heart skipped a beat no if it's not serious we don't know we don't
85:06know how serious luther burden's injury is in camp oh man what and i could not say it better myself because i've
85:13said that exact thing myself and i loved it when i said it and i loved it when you said it all
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