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Dynasty Underground - What We're AFRAID to be WRONG about!!! // Dynasty Fantasy Football 2026

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1 hr 24 min
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Aug 31, 2026
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Mon, August 31, 2026
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Topics
Jadarian PriceMike Washington Jr.Parker WashingtonZach CharbonnetA.J. BrownAntonio BrownAshton JeantyBrandon AiyukDe'Zhaun StriblingDeshaun WatsonJayden HigginsKyle WilliamsLadd McConkeyMatthew Golden
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A.J. Brown

PositiveRole62:17

There is potential for AJ Brown to be utilized as a 'big slot' target hog in the Patriots' offense, especially if Romeo Dobbs and Kyle Williams occupy the outside roles. This formation could make him a 'queen chess piece' in the offense.

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Antonio Brown

PositiveProjection69:56

Antonio Brown is cited as an all-time great wide receiver who maintained elite efficiency throughout his career, including a 2.95 yards per route run in his rookie season and five consecutive seasons with over 1,300 yards and 10 touchdowns.

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Ashton Jeanty

PositiveValue20:14

Despite a minor ankle injury, Ashton Janty remains an elite running back prospect. His ADP drop to the 11th round in some drafts is considered 'free money' for managers, as he is expected to be the starter for the Raiders.

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Brandon Aiyuk

PositiveUsage17:04

Brandon Aiyuk is benefiting from the negative publicity surrounding Jed York, with the podcast hosts noting that Aiyuk's previous off-field controversies pale in comparison to York's recent legal issues.

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De'Zhaun Stribling

NegativeValue40:59

The analysts debate whether Deshaun Stribling is the WR1 of his class, noting that questioning consensus rankings is a way to gain profit by betting against market overcorrections. One The Underground. Posted mentions selling Stribling for a 2027 second-round pick, highlighting the fear of being wrong about a player's breakout potential.

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Deshaun Watson

NegativeBust11:47

Deshaun Watson is viewed as a sociopathic figure who is tone-deaf to his own situation; despite being named the starter, he is expected to lead the Browns to a 2-3 win season, making him a poor fantasy asset.

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Jadarian Price

PositiveValue47:11

Jadarian Price is a high-conviction target for The Underground. Posted, who ranks him as the RB21 for his 2026 rookie season. Despite concerns about his college production profile and lack of pass-catching volume, The Underground. Posted believes Price has the potential to be a strong pass-catcher and could see increased usage if the new offensive coordinator shifts away from the previous situational usage.

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NegativeBreakout70:01

The analysts express fear that they were wrong about Jadarian Price, who was a first-round pick and is being talked up as a pass-catcher. Despite initial skepticism and a 'light fade' during the pre-draft process, there is concern he could be an explosive running back with significant opportunity in Seattle, potentially leading to high-scoring fantasy days early in the season.

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Jayden Higgins

NegativeRole57:13

The arrival of Kayshaun Boutte is viewed as bad news for Jaden Higgins, who was previously expected to move into the slot and interchange with Nico Collins. Boutte's presence in the outside role likely limits Higgins' projected usage.

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Kyle Williams

NegativeRole62:10

While Kyle Williams is not expected to earn enough targets to be a consistent fantasy producer, he is recognized as a talented player who will likely have some big plays during the season. He is expected to play on the outside, potentially allowing AJ Brown to move into the slot.

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Ladd McConkey

NegativeBust77:31

The hosts express significant concern that Ladd McConkey may be overpriced and potentially just a 'good role player' rather than a target-hogging WR1, noting he failed to earn targets at a high rate last year and never hit a high dominator rating in college.

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Matthew Golden

NegativeProjection72:59

The hosts are conflicted on Matthew Golden, acknowledging his talent but questioning if he can reach a high ceiling; they compare his potential trajectory to Rome Odunze or Alec Pierce, noting he has opportunity in a consolidated Green Bay receiver room but faces competition from Dontayvion Wicks, Jayden Reed, and Christian Watson.

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Mike Washington Jr.

NegativeBust20:53

The hosts are fading Mike Washington despite his preseason performance. His lack of college production compared to teammates makes his current second-round dynasty value unsustainable, and they would sell him for a 2027 second-round pick.

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PositiveValue38:24

The market is high on Washington, viewing him as a super-athletic prospect with significant upside if he earns carries. Following the Janty injury, his value saw a price correction, with some owners willing to pay a second-round pick. While he lacks a strong production profile or pedigree, he could realistically command 180 carries if he earns the team's trust, making him a target for those betting against market overcorrection.

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Nico Collins

PositiveRole56:58

The acquisition of Kayshaun Boutte is viewed as a positive development for Nico Collins, as it allows Boutte to play the 'sacrificial X' role, freeing Collins to move all over the formation. His value is seen as skyrocketing for the 2026 season due to this tactical shift.

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Omar Cooper Jr.

NegativeValue52:30

Omar Cooper has seen a drastic fall in value, struggling to secure a clear role on the depth chart behind Adonai Mitchell and fighting for the WR3 spot. Despite The Underground. Posted's belief that selling now is a mistake, the lack of immediate production and preseason drops have created significant concern.

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Oronde Gadsden

PositiveSleeper81:00

The hosts mention being heavily invested in Oronde Gadsden as a sleeper prospect within the Chargers' passing game context.

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Parker Washington

NegativeValue64:16

The Underground. Posted is conflicted on Parker Washington, acknowledging his dominant 10-game stretch last season but noting his previous lack of production. While some view him as the clear WR1, The Underground. Posted remains cautious about whether he can sustain his high yards-per-route-run efficiency.

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PositiveBreakout67:03

Parker Washington is viewed as a potential breakout candidate who is not coming off the field; the hosts regret trading him away and are actively targeting him in redraft leagues despite his rising price, noting he is in the 'hall of dudes we thought sucked, but might be actually good'.

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Quentin Johnston

PositiveDepth Chart80:57

Quentin Johnston performed better than expected last season, which could impact the target share and overall fantasy outlook for Ladd McConkey in the Chargers' offense.

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Rome Odunze

NegativeProjection58:47

The Underground. Posted expresses trepidation regarding Rome Odunze's outlook, noting that while he remains hopeful, the foot injury and target competition from DJ Moore and Colston Loveland create a wide range of outcomes. A 'hit' for Odunze is defined as exceeding 1,000 yards and seven touchdowns, while a 'miss' would be closer to 700 yards.

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Shedeur Sanders

NegativeValue18:00

Shedeur Sanders is viewed as a potential mid-season starter for the Browns. While he struggled with EPA per play last season, he has improved weapons and a better offensive coordinator in Monken. His peak trade value is likely a second-round pick.

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Zach Charbonnet

NegativeValue43:55

Charbonnet is viewed as a player worth a second-round pick when healthy. His role in the Seattle offense last year involved a significant split with Ken Walker, totaling 184 carries. There is concern about his potential to return and create a platoon situation that limits the upside of other running backs.

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NegativeRole44:51

The looming return of Zach Charbonnet creates uncertainty for Ken Walker's workload; Charbonnet recorded 12 touchdowns to Walker's five last season, and the carry discrepancy was relatively close at 221 to 184, suggesting Charbonnet could remain a significant situational factor or goal-line threat.

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1:07Post it up on the OTC Fantasy YouTube channel and on your favorite audio platforms.
1:12I am Theon Greyjoy, Lord of the Iron Islands, hosting and Westeros coasting.
1:16I do not know what your algorithm is like, but my shit is full of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings memes all the time.
1:25So trust me, there's a lane. There's a lane.
1:28There's fantasy football and Lord of the Rings is like almost concentric circles.
1:32Sorry you guys are so cool. I thought you were getting laid, but apparently not.
1:37Nerd. Nerd alert. Nerd alert. Nerd alert. Oh my God.
1:40I f***ing hate you guys. I'm actually questioning you guys.
1:44I think like you need to hand in your nerd bona fides, right?
1:48You can't sit here and f***ing talk about stats and then not be into Lord of the Rings.
1:54F*** off. You know where I get my nerd ticket from, Joe?
1:58Harry Potter and Game of Thrones. So you can f***ing beat it, all right?
2:03It's almost like Game of Thrones doesn't even hit nearly as hard without the Lord of the Rings background, right?
2:09Where it's a clear battle of good and evil in Lord of the Rings.
2:14Game of Thrones flipped the genre on its head by making it all gray.
2:19I think what you're trying to say here is Lord of the Rings walked so that Game of Thrones could...
2:25Sights and sounds and edges found. You will now get down with The Underground.
2:30Posted up on the OTC Fantasy YouTube channel and on your favorite audio platforms, Dynasty Underground is back in your life.
2:37I am Trav, aka Lord of the Iron Islands, hosting and Westeros-Koston for you this evening.
2:42And with me, of course, are the usual suspects of the Baratheon clan, the wise man, Jax Falcone.
2:48How are you today, Lord? Yeah, man. I'm not sure what made it onto that cold open, but I'm pretty sure I know the topics, player.
2:57Yeah. Yeah. We had a good time before the show today is what Jax is saying.
3:02And on the other side of me is one Joe Quavius Kuvatakis, we decided, of the Northern Reed family.
3:09Maybe like a Howland Reed type. Joe, how are you this evening?
3:13I'm doing great. You know, I believe the Reeds pray to the old gods, the, you know, not the seven.
3:19But whatever gods they were praying to in that prayer circle for Ashton Janty, I am grateful.
3:25Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The seer. Maybe he saw into the future.
3:29And maybe it's a successful season for your Raiders and Ashton Janty, Joe.
3:33I love this. Of course. I love this. This is really good.
3:37It's good. Yeah. We started off hot today for sure.
3:40Make sure you're subscribed to that channel. Go check us out at otcffb.com as well.
3:45The website is doing great. People have seemed to love it.
3:49And there is no more efficient way to manage your dynasty and your redraft teams because it is the season.
3:56So go check it out there. You'll find our 2026 rankings there, our dynasty rankings there, some articles, and then all of
4:03the tools that help you reimagine your fantasy football experience.
4:06So love seeing everybody checking that out over there.
4:09And we have got an interesting show, fellas. We're going to talk about some of this news.
4:15Joe, you alluded to the Janty injury. There's a bunch of other stuff that we got to talk about.
4:21And then we're going to talk, as the show that talks about being ready to be wrong, gentlemen, we're going to talk
4:29about things that we're afraid to be wrong about.
4:32So while we're ready to be wrong, it doesn't mean that we can't be a little bit scared to be wrong because we do like to be right.
4:41We're a little bit shook, you know what I'm saying?
4:44So that's going to be a fun little segment brought to you by Joe, who actually brought that one up.
4:51So thank you for adding that to the sheet.
4:54But fellas, we're going to start with some of this news.
4:58And there's a new trend that's kind of sweeping the NFL.
5:01And I don't think that everybody's caught on to it, boys.
5:05We haven't seen too many instances of it yet.
5:08And I bet there's cases that we haven't yet seen come up and we will see over the next few years, potentially.
5:15And Dynasty Underground is the only place where you can find an edge in fantasy football like this.
5:21The new trend, boys. NFL owners are getting very lonely.
5:25We had your boy Rob Craft trying to get a Robin Tug.
5:29Yep. What do you mean trying? Just an old dude getting him off fucking Rezobin Tuzug, you know what I'm saying?
5:36He would get him all the time. He was very successful at getting those.
5:40Yes, he was. And now we have one Jed York of the 49ers making a trip down from the substation to a place called East Palestine, Ohio.
5:49Gentlemen. Wow. Involved in a little sting operation I read where he went on one of these, you know, adult websites and
5:57he tried to solicit himself a $160 good time.
6:00And there was actually... $140. Just to be clear, it was $140.
6:04I saw conflicting. I saw that the cops seized $160 from him.
6:08So, I was going with the higher amount just because, you know...
6:12Maybe that was going to be the tip. Maybe that was going to be the tip.
6:17Yeah. Well, apparently he wasn't... Nothing but the tip.
6:20Apparently the same thing I read that he didn't want to pay the extra $20 to go unprotected.
6:26So, I'm not sure if he's tipping that extra $20, fellas.
6:30But... Yeah. Not really any fantasy football implications here.
6:33And there are plenty of terrible places that we can go with that.
6:37But we thought that that was kind of a wild story this week.
6:41Taking over all of the fantasy kind of injuries that we're seeing, to be honest with you.
6:47What did you guys think of yet another NFL owner thinking from within his hands?
6:52Joe, this is your lane. Joe. This is your lane.
6:55You're kind of the vibes and narrative guy, Joe.
6:58Get it. I actually disagree that there are no fantasy implications.
7:02Oh, okay. Spin that web, sir. Please. I'm not sure.
7:05I would just say, overall, it's not good, right?
7:08When half the players on the Niners are hurt because of this substation that he refuses to move their practice facility.
7:15I mean, to his credit, he's not spending a lot of money.
7:19Maybe he is saving up to move their practice facility away from the substation.
7:24But it's just not the way storybook endings begin, right?
7:27Imagine the 49ers winning a Super Bowl and Jed York going up there and taking the Lombardi trophy from Roger Goodell and saying anything.
7:35Anything at all. This guy has to go into hiding.
7:39He needs, like, not to mention, like, whatever, personal conduct policy.
7:42I don't know. I don't know what rules come into play here.
7:46But anyways, this guy needs to go away for the good of the team, for the good of his family.
7:53Just disappear for a very long time, right? I think what it shows you, though, is that.
7:59Send him north of the wall. Yes. Some of you guys who think right now, God, if only I had some money I'd get laid.
8:07Still, you wouldn't. Apparently, you still need to spend $140 on an East Palestine, Ohio hooker.
8:12Trailer park. Trailer park hooker. Yeah. Just the reality.
8:15I mean, I did also read that him and his wife filed for divorce about 15 months ago.
8:21So, I mean, any... It's just a lonely dude who's trying to get a little love slack that we could cut him, boys, or none of that.
8:30Yep. No, I cut him a ton of slack.
8:33I mean, what's... I don't have a problem with what he's doing, but I'm just saying, like, you know.
8:40Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, obviously, it's the dumbest possible thing you can do.
8:45Look, I'm going to say something. I've never got a prostitute in my life.
8:49But I also am the same guy who would say I have nothing against it.
8:54I have nothing against it. So, I don't know.
8:57I don't really give a shit. But, at the same time, if I were the owner of this fucking franchise, I'd be very sure not to do that.
9:07Just feel like... Just feel like... Do it a classy way, right?
9:11Like, you could afford a really nice one. And come out to dinner with you.
9:16And that. Yes. Spend a few thousand bucks and just do it the right way.
9:21Nobody will judge you. You ask around other rich guys.
9:24I mean, but that's how they got in trouble on this other thing here.
9:29You know what I mean? So, just saying. This is just...
9:32Tripwires all over the place. He did end up spending a couple thousand.
9:37Because it was $5,000 bail and like $1,160 fine that he had to pay.
9:41So, probably $1,000 fine. And they seized the $160 that he took with him.
9:46So, come on, Jed. Come on, Jed. Expensive mistake.
9:49Just, you know, pay up is all I'm saying.
9:52Pay up. You got the money. Stimulate the economy.
9:55You can afford to be more discreet than that, for sure.
9:59Okay, let's dive into... Trickle down economics my ass.
10:02Yeah, you're right. So, I'm going to get us into some real fantasy implication stuff.
10:07Because however much I love that web you spun, Joe.
10:10I doubt it has any real impact on the Niners team this year.
10:14We got to go to... You want to talk Gentry real quick?
10:18I actually do want to talk about... Wait, wait, real quick.
10:22Okay. Go ahead. For some impact. I mean, Brandon Ayuk probably having one of the best days ever.
10:28Oh, he was rejoicing on all of that, too.
10:31The memes that were on social media about him were incredible.
10:35It was like a picture of the prostitute and it was him with a wig on.
10:40I would just like to say nothing Brandon Ayuk did was as despicable as Jed York's behavior.
10:46Absolutely nothing. All the weird videos, all the cars, every stupid thing he did online pales in comparison to a trailer park hooker in East Palestine.
10:54I'm sorry. Yes, that's true. That is true. Brandon Ayuk, pay that man.
10:59Yes. If I could bite a rhyme from the undrafted, is trailer park hooker in East Palestine a good episode title or what?
11:06Yeah, absolutely. Okay, boys. Lots of fun and games happening here.
11:10This one, actually, Jax, we are going to get to Gentry.
11:14I want to get this one out of the way, too, because we've already kind of evaluated it, but it was just
11:21more some wild statements that happened this week and then some subsequent boneheaded organizational moves as well.
11:27And that would be around one Deshaun Watson and this press conference that he had where he was talking about how the fans were booing him.
11:35He thinks it's only personal and not about on the field stuff.
11:39And there's been much talk about how it's definitely also because of the on field stuff, which we're seeing videos of that playing out in practice, guys.
11:48And so I don't dispute that there is on field implications here as well.
11:53The biggest thing that I heard from his conversation, though, that I tweeted about was that he said he doesn't regret anything in his life.
12:01And we were reacting about that in the chat, boys, and thought that it's just wild how tone deaf this guy is to what's actually happening around him.
12:11And then, guys, we see that like the next day, I think the Browns name him as the starting quarterback for their team.
12:18And we expected this to happen. But I think comments about the fan base might be able to derail something like that,
12:26but clearly not for the old Brownies, Joe. So what did you think of the comments?
12:31What do you think about how long he actually has as the starter for the Cleveland Browns?
12:37And should we be getting ready for Shadir Sanders?
12:40Well, I mean, like I regret what I ate for lunch today, right?
12:44I have regrets every single day. I mean, he walked the statement back the next day.
12:49So he regretted that statement. So it's just like such a stupid bullshit thing to say.
12:55Right. I don't even know what, you know, where he was coming from.
12:59I just it's impossible to get inside a sociopath like that's head.
13:03Right. But he's clearly one of those. Probably. Allegedly.
13:06Right. Right. Yeah. All that being said, we talked about a couple weeks ago how for the Vikings, it would it only
13:13makes sense to start Kyler Murray, even if he wasn't actually winning the quarterback competition, because then they've got somewhere to turn
13:21to, which happens to be the best outcome for the franchise.
13:24I kind of think it's the same thing for the Browns.
13:28Although I think both of these trains are headed off a cliff and, you know, whatever other options they have, they're all
13:35headed in the same direction, which is like a two or three win season.
13:40And Lord knows that's probably what they want to do to just go and get the best quarterback available to them next year.
13:48So it really, in one sense, doesn't matter who they started quarterback because they're both so bad.
13:53But if there were a better way to go about it, like you wouldn't want to have to go to Deshaun Watson
14:01midseason after Shador falls on his face. When you go to Shador, it's better.
14:06But there's just like they could have banished Deshaun Watson, just told him, hey, you're paid.
14:11You're still on the team. Whatever contract situations aside, consider yourself part of the team and just stay in the fucking locker room for 17 games.
14:20And we'll just let Shador and Gabriel and Green just, you know, get their starts and not deal with you and not make our fans absolutely hate us.
14:29I think maybe that would have been the better route because they still would have won the same amount of games, which
14:36is like, again, I think three win upside. So far be it for me to judge these clearly morally upstanding citizens that are NFL owners.
14:45Jack, look, if you were paying someone $250 million, you'd want more than a than a locker room ornament out of it, too.
14:52But that's a horse of a different color. Listen, let's talk about this because we did our startup and we talked about
15:00on this program how we thought, where was he going to be drafted?
15:04Was he a value? And it turns out that I was not the highest bidder on Deshaun Watson.
15:10And I did notice something I'm sure everybody else is noticing this if you're in startups, too.
15:16But both of our startups were in two of them.
15:19We're kind of doing another one right now as well.
15:22But the the underground league in the 10th round, there was a couple of quarterbacks selected.
15:28The last three quarterbacks selected were Ty Simpson, Carson Beck and Daniel Jones.
15:32After that, there was actually three rounds of no quarterback taken.
15:36There's sort of a tier after that where then it was, you know, the likes of Tua and Geno Smith.
15:42I'm just throwing those names out. Those weren't the next two guys taken.
15:47But there's a sort of step down and definitely a huge tear break, I would say, from guys that either have a
15:54future potentially or are like locked in starters and less than 40 years old.
15:59You know what I mean? Like Geno and Aaron Rodgers and some of these guys.
16:04And, you know, so long story short is in that area, I did end up taking Michael Penix.
16:10Then it went Aaron Rodgers. Then it went Deshaun Watson.
16:13And Deshaun Watson drew a law went right there.
16:16But Deshaun Watson went ahead of Tua, Shador, and the rest of them.
16:20You know, I guess after that, there's not much.
16:23Cousins. I was able to get Shador after Deshaun.
16:26And I would have preferred Shador. Right. And so, you know, I think our dialogue on this show where I was saying,
16:34you know, Deshaun is some sort of a value was because he was so far down.
16:39I think it was like 19th round ADP or something.
16:42I'm like, boy, at some point or another, he's got to move up.
16:47Well, 16th round ahead of Shador. I think that's about as high as I could imagine taking him because of all the things that you mentioned.
16:55And we still think he might actually suck, which is also kind of crazy because he should still just kind of be good at this.
17:04But I don't think he's going to be good at it somehow or another.
17:08It's just it's crazy. But anyway, I thought I'd mention that I was not the high bidder.
17:14No, that's good. You actually had some serious quarterback bets with three in a row.
17:19You went Penix, Shador, and J.J. McCarthy back to back just to maybe one of them hits kind of thing.
17:26So I kind of like that strategy filling out the depth chart there.
17:30I think with Shador, if you're a bag holder, like you're hoping that that, you know, that entry into the starting quarterback
17:37job comes maybe sooner rather than later. And you hope that he has a couple of games where he plays decent or
17:45hopefully Watson was so bad that Shador makes it look like a serviceable offense that you can flip Shador Sanders.
17:51Right, boys? Now, like, what do we think stealing that we could get for Shador is in that situation?
17:58Do you think a second could be had after maybe a couple of serviceable games?
18:03Yeah. I mean, I was going to say when you said stealing, I was thinking quarterback 24 or something like that.
18:10You know, it was kind of like, and then when you ask about that, like if he's quarterback 24, 23 and points
18:17per game, he's just sort of, you know, hey, he's out there doing some stuff.
18:22You know, it's not great. It's not bad. It's, you know, two touchdowns here and there, you know, and 200 and something yard, 200 is yards a game.
18:31Right. Not a bunch of picks and just sort of steady as she goes.
18:36But if that's what happens, I would think that you could certainly get a way future first, like a 29 or 28 potentially or a 27 second plus.
18:45So, yeah, I think that's about the value of a starter who's young, who you never know if he can grow into a little bit something more.
18:54But, yeah, any any starter in the top 24 is worth something, Amy.
18:59Yeah. If he if he wins some games and takes them out of contention for like a top five pick or what
19:06have you, then you can probably get, I would say, a second for him.
19:11I think the you know, I think the jury is in on Shador.
19:15I think, you know, he was in EPA per play was like the second worst quarterback last season.
19:21It was bad. And obviously the weapons got better.
19:24Hopefully Monken makes the offense better and maybe he's a little bit better as a result.
19:29He looked pretty good in the last preseason game.
19:32So it's not out of the question. It's early enough for him to turn his career around.
19:38But I think like with success, the high end is probably a second round pick.
19:43I can't imagine anybody paying more than that. And I sure as hell wouldn't.
19:48I sold all my door shares last year as soon as he was playing.
19:52Basically, it's just like, all right, get off this investment right now.
19:56Nice. Yeah. I just wanted to check in on that kind of peak value you could be looking for on the positive shooter outcome.
20:04You know what I'm saying? Okay. Okay. Let's go to Joe's Las Vegas Raiders because we had a bit of a scare this week, boys, with Ashton Gentry.
20:14First, it was called a high ankle sprain. Then it was backtracked to say maybe it was a little bit lower.
20:21Don't know if mid ankle sprain is a thing, but maybe we just meet in the middle.
20:26I'm not really sure. But the latest report that I read said that it might be a little bit lower and that
20:34he still has a chance to play in week one.
20:37I'm not necessarily saying this is going to fluctuate Gentry's value, boys, because I think we think he is in that upper echelon of running backs.
20:46But the swing that we have seen on Mike Washington over the last couple of days is crazy in the dynasty streets.
20:53I saw an underdog post that said over like a 24-hour period there when that news was super murky, they had somebody
21:00take Mike Washington as early as 303. And Ashton Gentry in one draft went as late as 1111.
21:06And that is absolutely free money to get Gentry there if we think that he could be starting week one in this season.
21:14How can 11 people pass on Gentry 10 times?
21:17That's crazy. Insane. That's insane. And I actually saw a post just before the show and I retweeted it with my own
21:24take on it where somebody said that they have been buying Mike Washington for seconds wherever they can because of Clint Kubiak's previous two-back system.
21:33I just don't see Mike Washington getting up to that second round value myself.
21:37So I retweeted saying that I think if I'm getting that second for Mike Washington, I'm taking it all day.
21:44What do you guys think about the steam on Mike Washington?
21:48Because he does look like a pretty solid backup.
21:51But I think a 27 second is for me a guy who I'm predicting to be a starter for my roster within the next couple of years.
22:00And I don't think we can afford that to Mike Washington yet, Joe.
22:04Well, this could basically parlay into our topic for tonight, which is what are you afraid you're wrong about?
22:10Right. And I think we were all pretty full fade on Mike Washington because he didn't have the college production to back this athleticism.
22:18And, you know, at certain positions like running back, I think you're willing to be more forgiving for super athletic running backs who lacked production.
22:27But we've actually gotten burned by that so many times that, you know, we have over time learned the lesson to actually not bank on those guys.
22:36And you just need to see more than what he showed in college after transferring with a college teammate who was in
22:43this NFL draft who produced better than him while they were in school at the same time together.
22:49Right. So it was all kind of ridiculous in the first place.
22:53And then he just goes out and he actually performs in preseason.
22:57He's got those two big long runs for touchdowns.
23:00And he got all of his believers just like circling the wagons.
23:04Right. He's super excited. So for news of the Janty injury happened, I mean, it's almost like a price correction.
23:11It's like. In the stock market, right, there are charts where they you can look at the chart and you can say
23:18this thing is going to go up. We just need a trigger.
23:22Right. We need a trigger. The demand is there and people are just waiting for a sign to buy into this stock.
23:29Right. And it could be some news item. Right.
23:32And that's exactly what happened here. Whereas Janty got hurt.
23:36It was a scare. He's out for some indefinite amount of time, which might not be any time at all.
23:42But the price corrected to the place where people really wanted it to be anyways.
23:47So I think that the market's really high on him and I think you can get a second.
23:53And I think I would take that. But parlaying into the next point or the next segment, I think I'm afraid that I'm wrong.
24:01And we may have overlooked a good player who is going to be in something more of a platoon than what we
24:09were envisioning, you know, a week ago. Well, I will give you my thought of the week.
24:14So, you know, I almost said it at the top, but here's where I'm at right now.
24:20So there's a thing that you're basically talking about, which is the stock market analogy is perfect because there's an event and we have to react.
24:29Right. But the reaction is how much do we react?
24:32And so I was thinking about this, like, you know, you don't there's two there's two schools without one is take lock.
24:39Right. Oh, no. Mike, Mike Washington sucks. I'm not taking him out.
24:43Like, that's dumb. Right. So you want to be Bayesian.
24:47You want to think, OK, I want to move with the market.
24:51I'm ready to be wrong. I want to be ahead of it.
24:55I want to be right first. Right. All these things that we say.
24:59But then you go, wait a minute. Is Deshaun Stribling the wide receiver one in this class?
25:05Wait, is that just stupid? You know what I mean?
25:08Like, at some point, maybe not. Right. I'm not saying it is or isn't.
25:13I'm not here to say specifically Mike Washington is or isn't worth a second.
25:17Deshaun Stribling is or isn't the wide receiver one in this class.
25:21I'm not here to say that. What I am here to say is that is the thinking that has got to be.
25:29This is where you can take action and gain profit.
25:32Right. By making bets against the overcorrection of marketplace.
25:35When you think it's the Puka Nakua thing. When I felt like Puka was real, I was making bets below market.
25:4227. Well, not 27. Future second round picks. You know, whatever that year was.
25:47You know, the next year's 22nd, 22nd, second round picks.
25:50Excuse me for Puka where that was like, you know, people like, oh, you're crazy.
25:55That kid, you know, is not worth that before the games ever happened.
25:59And subsequently it looked like a good bet, but it could have been a bad bet.
26:05And that's kind of the point here is that there's so much at this time of year that you can take advantage of.
26:12And I think there's a lot of profit to be had.
26:16But everybody's a little bit afraid to be like, I ended up selling Deshaun Stribbling for a 27 second.
26:22I'm an idiot. Look, he's good now. See what I'm saying?
26:26Yep. So there's that fear. Exactly. Just for let's throw some numbers on this.
26:31Right. Let's try and go apples to apples as much as we can.
26:35But Kubiak's offense last year in Seattle, who wanted to run the ball and, you know, head coach want to run the ball.
26:43Maybe more than Kubiak will when he's his own head coach, they had 507 rushing attempts and also they had an awesome
26:50defense and were in position because they were leading so much of the season that they're in position to run the ball.
26:57But the split was basically Ken Walker had 221 rush attempts and Zach Charbonnet had 184 rush attempts.
27:03Right. Right. And then the that, you know, basically gets you to 400 and then the rest was split very sparingly amongst Halani, Valis Jones, Jakardia, right?
27:12Cam Akers, Miles Gassi. Right. But just those guys all had less than a dozen except for Halani, who had like 22 attempts.
27:20Right. So my point is, if the Raiders are going to run the ball 500 times this season, Janty's not getting 500 attempts.
27:28Right. But in a extreme circumstance, I think he'd be getting something like, you know, man, 300 even seems high.
27:34300 seems high. So and the Raiders don't have another running back of consequence on that team.
27:40So there's a world where Washington, if he's any good and doesn't just poop the bed game one or early in the season and lose the team's trust.
27:49You know, he could get 180 carries easily, at which point, I don't know, like maybe not a 27 second, but a second round pick for him.
27:58It's not that far fetched. So we didn't like him as a prospect, but he's actually in a good situation.
28:05Sure, he's got Janty ahead of him. And I think that's what kept the market off of him to this point.
28:12But the second Janty went down, we saw what his value became.
28:16Right. We had a five hour glimpse into what the market wants.
28:20And I think that the market is just like chomping at the bit to, you know, fire away on the super athletic guy.
28:28So if he's getting attempts and maybe catching some passes, then, you know, it's not out of the question.
28:34Like, is Zach Charbonnet worth the second round pick?
28:37Healthy Zach Charbonnet? I think so. Probably. My counter, my counter would be that Mike Washington doesn't have necessarily the pedigree.
28:44I'm not saying he's not as talented as Charbonnet because he could be.
28:48Doesn't have the production profile at all. Like the pedigree.
28:52And he doesn't have the hold on that second job to where they'll really want to be jamming him in on carries
28:59like they seem to do in Seattle. And I think the other counter is kind of what you said, Joe, is where
29:06that the Raiders aren't going to be playing from ahead quite as much as the Seahawks.
29:12Right. So if they're playing from behind in passing situations, I don't see them taking Gentile off the field.
29:18Right. And so I think there's kind of a flip side there where game script could state that Gentile just needs to
29:25stay on the field because his skill set is for that.
29:29So the lesson here, the lesson here, as always, is roster running backs that are deep in the roster, deep in the depth chart, not wide receivers.
29:38Because if CeeDee Lamb got hurt in the same way, we wouldn't be rushing out for Ryan Flournoy for the same sort of upside.
29:46But Mike Washington, if, you know, if Gentile gets hurt, actually does have legit upside.
29:51Yeah. And this will happen all season to whomever gets hurt.
29:55You know, I mean, we don't like Samajay Pirine or Taj Brooks, but if something happened to Chase Brown, everybody would be
30:02scrambling for one of those backs and figuring out which one it is.
30:06Are they going to sign somebody? What's going to happen?
30:10Are they going to trade for somebody? I mean, it's a it's a it's a race.
30:15But if Jamar Chase gets hurt, nobody's Chase, nobody's making it's just not going to be anybody.
30:21Nobody's going to be Jamar Chase, whereas someone could get 20 carries a game behind Chase Brown, who's some off the street running back.
30:29It literally happens all the time. And so it is structural build and just trade all of your back end wide receivers that are worthless for running backs.
30:38Just remember to do that. Absolutely. But I do want to point that this is sort of a unique circumstance because we
30:45got the sneak peek at what the market thinks of this guy.
30:49Right. We know for a fact there are Washington truthers out there.
30:53Yes, sir. That are going to be willing to pay seconds, you know, maybe even a first would to get confirmation that
31:01Jamar is down because like that's how much they buy into the athleticism over the lack of production in college.
31:07And so Damien Pierce fetched first round. Yeah. Yeah.
31:10If you missed your opportunity to sell in that five hour window and I don't blame you, it was just a lovely Sunday afternoon here in NorCal.
31:19Like you might have missed your chance. But now you know that when and if Janty does go down, like you can
31:27go fetch a pretty hefty price for Mike Washington.
31:30You might be able to do it now. But anyways, my point is, you know, we got a sneak peek.
31:36So, you know what the upside in value is and be ready to pull the trigger if and when that does happen.
31:44Okay. So I'm going to roll off this one into our last news item before we get into our main topic with
31:51a couple of trades that you guys would love.
31:54Somebody in a 10 team super flex half tight end premium.
31:58Mike Washington for Gunnar Helm in a 27 third.
32:01Joe, that's the trade that's a little bit up your alley.
32:04Check this one out. In a 10 team league.
32:07I don't know. I don't know. Washington. Yeah. Yeah.
32:10It's just the players are fun. This one. Mike, Mike Washington for Jonathan Brooks in a 27 third in a PPR.
32:17Brooks. It's an incredible deal. Great deals. Yeah. 27 seconds are happening straight up.
32:2228 first and 28 third is on here just yesterday.
32:25So, yeah, there's some there's some shit happening out there.
32:29So if you're at that one, if you're a believer.
32:32Yeah. The 28 first was a janty owner in win now mode who thought that they just lost their star running back and panicked.
32:40Right. I would be willing to bet money that that's what that or or a Mike Washington believer who was like, now's the time.
32:48Let me pay full price. Right. Crazy. Right. Okay.
32:51This last one might have a little bit of meat on it as well, boys, because there's a lot of a lot
32:58of impacts all around for two teams that made a trade just yesterday.
33:03You guys. And this was a wide receiver needy trading for a wide receiver that needed a new home.
33:09The Houston Texans made a trade for Kayshaun Boutte.
33:12So Kayshaun Boutte has seemingly not even fallen out of favor with the New England Patriots because all reports were glowing about him.
33:20He's just kind of fallen out of their ability to give him volume with the additions of AJ Brown and Romeo Dubs.
33:27So insert Kayshaun Boutte. Kayshaun Boutte. Talk about him and the Texans wide receivers first, and then we'll get into kind of the Patriots side of it.
33:36Maybe they didn't like Xavier, whatever his name is, as much as we thought.
33:41Yeah. There you go. I mean, all I know is that they paid less for booty than Jed York did.
33:47Right. It was a backup safety. My. Did you see that somewhere?
33:51Did you just pull that one out of your noggin?
33:55I just pulled it. I just pulled it. Bravo.
33:58Bravo, sir. But anyways, it was like a backup safety and a seventh round pick.
34:03That's real cheap for a dude that had a pretty good season.
34:07I mean, you know, X receivers should cost more than that.
34:10Um, so, uh, so I think it's pretty interesting and I actually really like it for Nico Collins because now booty can
34:18be the sacrificial X and they can move Nico Collins all over the formation.
34:22So this is sort of a, um, the, the sleeper move here is like Nico Collins' value actually skyrocketed for the 2026 season.
34:30That's my takeaway. Uh, it is bad news for Noel.
34:33Um, maybe that's just not how they saw their offense.
34:37Maybe they wanted Higgins and Collins to be interchangeable and to have like this big slot or big Z or whatever, but it's probably bad news for Noel.
34:46It's definitely, you know, Dell. I think he's just not ready yet from everything I've read and seen from even last week's episode.
34:54It seems to be pretty bearish on, um, Dell.
34:57So, um, I don't know. I think I'm still not super interested in booty as a player.
35:02I'm going to be plugging into my lineup. Sure.
35:05In some deep dynasty leagues, he's going to be flex worthy, but on this offense, it just seems like a move that freed up Nico Collins.
35:14And I got way more excited about him. Yeah.
35:17I think if you're Keishon Boutte ownership is in best ball, you felt a little bit better about it today than you did yesterday.
35:25Sure. But if it's not a best ball league, even though it moves the needle, it doesn't move it into the green.
35:32We talk about all the time. Like, I don't know.
35:36We'd look at it when we draft on our site, OTCFFB, there's a thing called PAR, which is points above replacement.
35:43He doesn't get to the green. You know, his, his, his line does not move past, uh, you know, a replacement level, uh, wide receiver.
35:51So therefore, unless it's a super deep league and even then I doubt it.
35:56Um, so yeah, that's, that's exactly right. He's just a guy, but you know, Hey, things, things could get a little weird
36:03there and he could, uh, the, the, the range of outcomes is possible that he matters.
36:08Yeah. Although likely that he does. It's better now than it was with the log jam in new England.
36:15And I'm looking at my 2026 rankings boys. And I just did this kind of on the fly.
36:21Um, Keishon Boutte definitely doesn't come up to near where I had Jaden Higgins.
36:25I was very, very bullish on Higgins for the fact that I thought, I thought he would be moving into the slot.
36:33And interchanging with Nico Collins a lot more. I think Keishon Boutte is a lot more locked into that outside role.
36:40Right. And one thing with CJ Stroud, I did a little bit of study after his second year and his deep passing
36:47has like gone way down from his rookie season.
36:50And so that's not a good thing for Boutte's upside.
36:53For sure. I got Boutte in like the mid mid fifties, um, as opposed to like the late thirties where I had Higgins before.
37:01So interesting to see how they work him in with so little time before week one, two, those are always interesting trades to me as well.
37:10So fun stuff there for the Texans. What about for the Patriots?
37:14Is there really a ton of impact? Like I kind of, there's part of me that was already kind of planning for this.
37:22I think we're just cemented in Dobbs and AJ Brown as the two wide, any increased interest in Demario Douglas or Kyle Williams though, fellas.
37:30I think what's really interesting is if they, I mean, if they do a Kyle Williams Dobbs on the outside and make
37:37AJ Brown sort of like a big slot target hog that gets super interesting.
37:42I don't think they're going to do that on a full-time basis, but I think that that's going to be an interesting
37:49formation that they could use a little bit more.
37:52I don't think Dobbs is going to come off the field all that much.
37:57And so I don't think it's like makes Kyle Williams playable despite his, you know, long touchdown in the last preseason game.
38:04But Demario Douglas, he's been around long enough to know what he is and is not a fantasy impact producer.
38:11Kyle Williams, there's still a chance. It's just, again, it's kind of the same thing.
38:16It's like, does this enable more for AJ Brown?
38:19Because there's the speed element on the field and Kyle Williams.
38:23And we move Brown to more of a slot flanker role.
38:26Yeah, probably. I mean, it's still hierarchy. You know, it's AJ Brown, probably Hunter Henry, Dobbs, neck and neck.
38:33And honestly, Ramondre and Travion are the next after that.
38:36And then some sort of wide receiver in terms of volume.
38:40I think Kyle Williams actually will have some big plays during the season.
38:44We're like, dude, I think Kyle Williams with a touch.
38:47You know, he'll have a number of nice plays.
38:50I don't think he's a bad football player. I just think in the hierarchy, he's not going to earn enough targets to matter.
38:58Right. And I was just looking at some of the slot and wide rates because my first thought was that Dobbs doesn't necessarily project as an X.
39:07But he played almost 82% out wide for the Packers last season.
39:11Kyle Williams was almost 90% out wide. So they do have some guys who can occupy that to allow, like you said,
39:18Joe, AJ Brown to be that queen chess piece that we always talk about.
39:23So interesting because when you look at AJB and Romeo Dobbs being the two wide receivers, it's not the most like there's
39:30not a lot of speed on that offense. You know what I mean?
39:35Like AJ Brown can beat guys, but he's not like the speed threat he was early in his career.
39:41So interesting to see how they work that and how that plays to maybe the tight ends with a little bit of Eli Raritan action.
39:49Jax, what do you think about that? I'm excited.
39:52Yeah. Hello. Okay, boys, we're going to... Let's just say that Eli Raritan will not be showing up on this week's episode
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40:47And we're getting into the meat of this episode, boys.
40:51We've had some fun thus far. And now we're going to talk about things we are afraid to be wrong about.
40:58So we talk about all the time on this show that we...
41:02This is about being wrong? Yeah. Or are you out?
41:05Okay, yeah. See you later, dude. Yeah, you can sit this one out for sure.
41:10Yeah. I didn't think... You're going to spectate? What am I doing here?
41:14I'm never wrong. You're going to spectate for me and Joe, or...?
41:18Yeah, I'll officiate. Okay. Sweet. Sweet. Yeah. No, that's great.
41:22As the show that always preaches that we are ready to be wrong, like I said off the top, that doesn't mean
41:29that we don't like to be right. So there are things when we are taking stances that we obviously are a little bit worried about.
41:37Maybe some tea leaves further down the road. Tell us some things that we didn't know before.
41:43And that's what we're going to get into tonight, Joe.
41:46So since this was your topic, I'm going to let you go with the first thing that you are afraid that we're wrong about.
41:54And we'll just kind of let it ride from there, boys.
41:58Why don't we start with the defending champs in Seattle?
42:01I think we were skeptical. All of us were kind of skeptical on Jadarian Price.
42:07And I was questioning in the pre-draft process whether or not he was actually going to be a first round pick.
42:14He ended up being a first round pick. I still had like a light fade on him.
42:19I took him in a couple of spots where it just absolutely made sense and it was the obvious pick to take.
42:27But I didn't like actively pursue him. And maybe this is the hard knocks effect, right?
42:32Where they're getting all excited about him. They're talking him up as a pass catcher.
42:37They're not playing him in preseason games. And so I'm just worried that Price is going to be way better than I
42:44thought he was in the pre-draft process. In my film evaluation, I couldn't help but notice that his running style was very
42:52similar to a favorite of mine last season, who was Caleb Johnson, who I was just dead wrong about.
42:58Right. And so I think like maybe I learned the wrong lesson in my evaluation of Caleb Johnson and where I went
43:05wrong there and misattributed to Jadarian Price and that he actually might be good.
43:10And there's just, you know, a lot of opportunity here in Seattle to run the ball.
43:15And I might just be missing out on an explosive running back and didn't invest heavily enough in him.
43:22That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.
43:25I think that I can join you there definitely with some thoughts of maybe not being right about Jadarian.
43:31I mean, I think I faded a lot of stuff.
43:34So, I mean, I've got some more stuff in this draft class.
43:38I'm definitely afraid I might be wrong about, which I'll touch on.
43:42But in terms of Jadarian Price, yeah, the opportunity is great.
43:46I guess I don't love the Zach Charbonnet shadow looming for year one playoff run.
43:51Like even if he kind of gets you there a little bit, you're like, like he really needs to hit the ground
43:58running, so to speak, and really kind of, you know, do it early.
44:03Otherwise, like if there's, you know, he does seem to have the backfield by himself.
44:08Although Emmanuel Wilson, you know, and George Helani are there.
44:11They're not anything worth, you know, getting too worried about if you feel like Jadarian Price is any kind of special player.
44:18And so for all those reasons, I think, yeah, it's more likely than not that he'll have some pretty big days early on.
44:26Their team is good, right? Like he could just have like, you know, 88 yards and two touchdowns and you'll be like, hmm, that's pretty good.
44:35You know, like that scores you a ton of fantasy.
44:38Like, you know what I mean? It's a 20 point day, 22 point day, whatever it is, right?
44:44So I think there's going to be days where like, yeah, maybe it's just, maybe it's just a good, you know, situation.
44:51But then what happens when Zach Charbonnet, if and when Zach Charbonnet comes back?
44:56Does that just kind of like become Ken Walker of last year?
45:00And then that's kind of still the ceiling, at least right now, right?
45:04Yeah. I mean, Charbonnet had 12 touchdowns last season, right?
45:08Walker had five during the regular season. Everybody remembers the epic playoff run and the Super Bowl MVP.
45:14But during the regular season, it wasn't that fun to own Ken Walker.
45:18He barely crossed the thousand yard threshold and scored five touchdowns.
45:22So like it was debatable. And we already talked about the carry discrepancy.
45:26It was 221 to 184. Charbonnet had 730 yards on the ground.
45:30I don't have the passing numbers in front of me, but you know, the 12 to five touchdown disparity made it like
45:37it wasn't plus EV to go Walker over Charbonnet on any week.
45:41And could that happen again? So yes, there's that looming.
45:45There's the lack of clarity because he's a rookie and George Helani and, you know, Wilson.
45:50So I don't know. Huh? All right, Mrs. I do love me some George Helani.
45:55Just more good. I mean, he's pretty good. He's not a great rusher, but you know, I think he did okay when we saw him last season.
46:04He's pretty good. So anyways, there's plenty of reason for doubt about price, including his production profile.
46:10I don't think I regret the process because you just can't be investing that much in a player that doesn't have the college profile at all.
46:18And we understand why he didn't have it, but that doesn't replace having it.
46:23Right. But the NFL, on the other hand, told us, hey, this is a first round talent.
46:29Barely. That's good. Yeah. Barely. So that's where, that's where I'm just, I've been, there's been trepidation about this throughout the process.
46:36And anyway, we'll leave it at that. I think if he was pick 34, we would still be really, really excited about him.
46:44So I think the barely thing isn't too huge for me, especially being that it's a running back.
46:50Right. I think they also, if they really like him, they get a fifth year option on him if they want him to.
46:57Right. So there is some merit to sticking in that first round and getting him.
47:02But I will say, cause Joe, at the top, you said we all were skeptical and I was not, I was a big fan of Jadarian Price.
47:11And I was bullish on him because there is explanations for things like why he didn't catch passes in college, why he
47:19didn't get all that work in college behind Jeremiah Love.
47:22And so we, we talked about all that stuff.
47:25Right. And I think like, yeah, for me, you guys are actually talking about a reverse ready to be wrong because I am so in on Jadarian Price.
47:34I have him as my running back 21 in for 2026 as his, in his rookie season.
47:40And part of me feels like that's a little bit low.
47:44So my ready to be wrong is that looming Zach Charbonnet.
47:47Right. And the hopium that I am telling myself on this boys, that is very like a 15% chance probably is that
47:55the new offensive coordinator has a bit of a different mindset, maybe than Kubiak.
47:59Sure. He's awesome success with it last year, but if Jadarian Price is humming, maybe Zach Charbonnet is a little bit more
48:07situational, probably does take some goal line stuff, but maybe he takes less between the carries because I still think that Jadarian
48:14Price can be a really good pass catcher too.
48:17So that's kind of the hopium I'm telling myself as the guy who's scared to be wrong about Jadarian Price being really, really good.
48:25So that was actually a really good example to start us off with because there's both ends of the spectrum there.
48:32What's interesting is if he had been pick 34 and just the second round pick and that pushed him from like the
48:39105, 106 range to like the 109 range, I think I would have been way more in.
48:45I don't know. It's almost weird where it's like that like difference in NFL draft capital.
48:50The first round pick is like very reassuring. But if it hit, if his price had been just slightly cheaper in rookie
48:58drafts, I think I might've gone the other way on him.
49:01Yeah. And it's interesting. That's interesting because to me, like if he went at 34 with the Seahawks, I would have been
49:09totally fine with him exactly the same because actually there's like, I don't have the numbers, but some of those late round
49:16running backs, late, late first round running backs don't hit.
49:19And a lot of those top of the second round guys hit.
49:23So it's interesting. But yeah, I mean, Charbonnet is a fucking guy and he's going to have something to say when he's healthy.
49:31So that scares me. I'm going to mention this a little later as part of my answer, but you can go after this trap.
49:39But I will say this. I've been trying to redo my 2026 rookie rankings.
49:44You know what I mean? Just go through and like redo them.
49:48I know. Let me just, let me just tell you, there are some big movers up and down.
49:54And, you know, part of that exercise was me thinking, should I overreact?
49:58How much am I overreacting to move someone? Am I just being afraid to be wrong and move someone?
50:04Or am I actually being, you know, level headed, not whatever, right?
50:08All that. So my question to you, and you guys can just answer one word, please.
50:14Please. Ready? Jadarian Price in Dynasty or Casey Concepcion.
50:17Yo, you know what? Well, I mean, well, no.
50:20All right. Wow. He's fucking short circuiting over there.
50:23I just, I got him. No, you didn't. You didn't.
50:26Because here's what I was going to say. I've been thinking about this exact same thing.
50:31I've been thinking about this exact same thing because we have an upcoming rookie draft based on what we're doing where we're actually still drafting picks.
50:40Right. As I've been thinking about this guy, same thing.
50:43I think Concepcion is probably somewhere around 103, 104 right now.
50:47And Price is right after him at like 104.
50:50Like it's right there. Right. So these guys both moved up to like the 103, 104 is the way I think I see it.
50:58And Price or 105. Price better serves a win now team, right?
51:02Like if you have the third pick and you're ready to be a winner, Price will serve you better than a Casey Concepcion.
51:10So there is, that is a crazy exercise, Jax.
51:13I'm going to try that out myself. And you think of like the Carson backs, the Dijon scribblings.
51:19So did you, did you just, did you just pass over?
51:22I want to know who you passed over to get to him versus Concepcion, right?
51:27So, I mean, I think Tyson, we're moving Price ahead of him just on the injury.
51:33Yes. Being validated, right? Yes. Have you moved him ahead of Carnell Tate?
51:37I am so close right there. We'll see Carnell Tate and Casey Concepcion back to back in my rankings overall.
51:44So like for me, obviously that's something I'm thinking about doing.
51:47And the question would be, I guess if I moved Carnell Tate behind Concepcion, I guess I'd move him behind Jadarian Price
51:55too, which is kind of feeling weird. So yeah, such a good question.
51:59It's feeling weird. Such a good question. And like, that's why I short circuited because it's like, whoa, we moved Concepcion way up already, I'm sure.
52:08So now it's like, is he a top three pick, right?
52:11Imagine, imagine you could go back to three months ago, Jax, and tell him that that was the case.
52:18You would say that you're fucking crazy. Maybe not.
52:21Maybe not. I'll just keep, I'll keep the conversation going for you, Trav.
52:25And I'll, I'll give mine. Maybe not my turn, but this one will dovetail perfectly.
52:30I'm starting to get a little afraid to be wrong about Omar Cooper being good, right?
52:35Because right now the value's lost. So now you have no value.
52:39So unfortunately, one of the bets about Omar Cooper going into the rookie drafts was, you know, he got drafted to New York.
52:47They need wide receivers. He'll probably play in the slot right off the bat.
52:52That's pretty good. He's got a noodle arm, 40 year old Geno Smith, who probably doesn't want to throw the ball and push the ball downfield.
53:00He'll love these easy button throws to Omar Cooper.
53:03Maybe it won't be prolific, but it'll be enough to sort of tether him to, you know, hopium and opportunity and value going forward.
53:11Even if he's not the player you want him to be, if he ends up being the player you want to be
53:19great, that's a bonus and a cherry on top.
53:22Unfortunately, as of right now, we're not getting tethered to value.
53:25We're losing value. And I didn't really see that coming with Omar Cooper.
53:30So I can't wait for football to start fast enough for Omar Cooper.
53:34And hopefully he can get on the field and make some wild plays.
53:38You know, Omar Cooper feels a little bit like, you know, Luther burden in that they're, you know, yak guys who can
53:46get some easy button stuff and some stuff manufactured for them.
53:49But if you can't get on the field, as we saw, even with Luther burden, it is difficult to make big plays from the sidelines.
53:58Yeah, 100%. We talked about it a little bit last week too.
54:02I just mentioned, cause I saw that clip where he was running a route, you know, how they run over those kinds
54:09of pads and then they make their cut and then the balls on them or whatever.
54:14It was an easy button drill and he dropped the easy button pass.
54:19And so that was just like a one moment.
54:22And I absolutely overreacted on that. Um, but it's something that we have to start reacting to, because if we see him
54:29starting to get buried on this depth chart, especially he's definitely behind Adonai Mitchell.
54:34Um, and he's fighting with Isaiah Williams for that third spot.
54:37So, um, the, the fall has been kind of drastic, right?
54:41Usually like it's hard to see this big of a fall to zero value, but I don't know.
54:47We still hold up, hold up, hold out. Easy for me to say a little bit of hope here on the underground, Joe.
54:55Yeah, I think it's too early. Uh, I think just selling on, and I know that's not the question, but I think
55:02like selling on Cooper right now is a gigantic mistake.
55:05And these first round picks, you got to give them the full year and you got to just, if the guys that
55:13aren't playing right away, you're banking on late season production and 100% for sure.
55:17I don't think there's any world in which the jets are going to be good this year.
55:23100% for sure. If they're not good, you better bet.
55:26They're going to give Omar Cooper tons of opportunity late in the season.
55:31And assuming he doesn't fall flat on his face.
55:34If he just produces that like a baseline competency, he will hold enough value to, you know, recapture what feels like it's been lost.
55:42This is classic don't overreact to preseason on a rookie wide receiver on a bad team whose situation is going to get drastically better a year from now.
55:51Probably. So we're doing this wacko draft right now, you and I, because we're crazy.
55:56And we got this thing where we're doing a startup and we're doing a rookie draft after this, which I don't know, this was Keegan's idea.
56:05So we got to just chop him up to be in the crazy person.
56:09But at the end of the day, in that thing, I'm wherever I am.
56:14And the 206 was the pick. And I'm like, 206.
56:17And then I was like, what's the 206? Right.
56:20The question was, what even is the 206? Yeah.
56:23And then I got a really bad feeling that, you know how I've had Omar Cooper fall to me a bunch.
56:30I was like, what? Omar Cooper. So I took the 206.
56:34And what if he's the guy? I'm like, fucking can't get away from this motherfucker.
56:39You know what I mean? So, yeah. So that was the idea.
56:43It's pretty funny because just going back to our last conversation, I picked the 103.
56:48And I was thinking to myself, all right, there's like three guys.
56:52This could be, this is either Mendoza or it's Concepcion or it's maybe Price, right?
56:57Like, so that's why I had already thought about it because of this draft that we're doing forced me to do this thought experiment already.
57:05And to your point, you know, I've had a couple of pictures pass where we're in the middle of the second round
57:13in terms of pick value or just draft who's ever available in the whatever 12th or 13th round.
57:19I was like, yeah, I think I'll take, you know, whatever.
57:22Let's go Jalen Coker. Yeah. I think there is.
57:25I actually did a sort of realignment of my rankings.
57:29There is a little bit of a teardrop at 206, believe it or not.
57:33That actually kind of is. I mean, depending. It also is going to be depending upon the second round.
57:40Is that what it is? Pretty interesting to see.
57:43Right. I mean, very interesting to see where certain guys get steamed up to.
57:47Certainly one of them will be Raritan, who, of course, you know, should be gone by the 206.
57:53But my point is, you know, how it's just crazy, you know, because ready?
57:58Eli, Eli Raritan at the moment. Tight end one of the class.
58:02Right. Feels like. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I want him more than I want Stowers.
58:07Yeah, for sure. And I want him more than I want Sadiq.
58:11Definitely. Yeah. The vibes are not good on Sadiq either.
58:15And he's hurt. I mean, and that's is that crazy?
58:18Is that a hot take? Is that hot? No, it's not.
58:22People are still going to keep the value on Sadiq because they don't see what's happening to his rookie year.
58:28And, you know, whatever the athleticism. This is back to the Mike Washington conversation.
58:33Yeah, yeah. Athleticism just promises a player that has untouched potential.
58:37So, yeah, people are still probably going to value Sadiq over him.
58:41But I agree. I choose you. Can I tell you guys what I'm scared to be wrong about?
58:47Yes, please. And I just have to channel somebody here.
58:50Just give me one second. Yep. Take your time, player.
58:53Because I'm scared. Mom. Mama's scared. Mama's scared. Mama Dunze?
58:57Mama a little bit scared. Mmm. That the hit.
59:00Best not be talking about my realm. The hit on my realm might not be what Mama thought that hit was going to be.
59:08Mmm. And I'm not taking it out of the question.
59:11I just think if we're looking at, okay, so you know those bar graphs on things where it's just like a single bar.
59:19One side's red. One side's green. And the green side spills over into the red if it's like 56% or something.
59:26Right? I would just say I was very far over to the green side on Roma Dunze.
59:31There's a lot more red in my bar. If that's not the shittiest way on the planet to describe that.
59:38Like... Oh, no. That was awesome use of bar graphing.
59:41Thanks, man. Yeah. For people listening only, it's even better.
59:45Yeah. Yes. Yeah. There was no visual there that happened.
59:48Well, yeah. But, you know, like... Maybe other than the graphic that shifts or something.
59:53But the people listening, you're just going to have to use your imagination.
59:57Close your eyes during that moment. Good luck with how I describe it.
60:02If you didn't close your eyes during that one, rewind it, close your eyes, then listen again.
60:07What if there were consensual circles that got closer together?
60:11Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. But, yeah, boys. Like, there are reasons why this hit might not happen.
60:16Last year, the start of the season, we had the injury.
60:20And you can kind of see areas where he can continue to be that guy he was in the first half of last season.
60:28That foot stuff kind of scares me. He still has looked good in some of the practice and some of the preseason stuff or whatever.
60:36And so I'm still hopeful. And I'm still, you know, that's my sign.
60:41That's my sign. I've got the question. Okay. What's the question?
60:44I've got the question. The question is, what's a hit to you?
60:48And I'm going to ask it this way. Like, if he were to get 120 targets, 78 catches, 982 yards and seven touchdowns, is that a hit?
60:57No. Right? So, I mean, that's kind of what.
61:00But, I mean, yeah, okay. So, that's, like, stomachable.
61:03That's, like, stomachable, but it's fucking disappointing. I'm talking about a miss, like, we're talking 700 yards.
61:09And he isn't kind of that touchdown getter that I think he can be.
61:14You know what I mean? Which I don't think he is.
61:17And so I think I'm still going to be okay on this one.
61:22But I got to acknowledge it. What Jack's just described, by the way, would be, like, the wide receiver 25.
61:28Just to be clear. Right. It would be, if you just extrapolated or just placed last year's stats on this season.
61:35Yep. There were 19 wide receivers that had 1,000 yards.
61:39So, if you hit 982 just in today's meta with seven touchdowns, that's actually a very solid wide receiver 3.
61:45It's the upper end of wide receiver 3. That's not the worst thing in the world.
61:51That's pretty interesting because I didn't write this one down, but I am very scared that it's the opposite being a burden truther.
61:58Yes. Yeah. From before day one that, like, it could be Rome.
62:02Because if you look at last season before Rome's injury, he was one of the best wide receivers in the league.
62:09He was taking the league by storm. And we were saying, hashtag, Travis Wright, repeatedly through, you know, the first four or
62:17five weeks until that injury took place. So, with Burden's injury now in the preseason missing, you know, basically all of August,
62:24it seems like Rome is probably in position to do that again.
62:28Sands DJ Moore plus Colston Loveland. So, it's hard to figure out, right?
62:32And this has been the great debate and the great question of the Bears offense this offseason.
62:38I think the answer is probably like we landed on when we weren't doing this exercise.
62:43The answer is probably all of them to a certain extent.
62:47I don't think you're necessarily going to miss on a season-long outlook.
62:51I do think it's going to be more heavily Rome-shaded early in the season.
62:56And then, you know, your bar is going to shift a little bit towards the third bird.
63:01Yeah. My bar might become burdensome. Yeah. For Rome specifically.
63:05Yeah, but I'm actually less worried about the foot thing than I was when those comments came out.
63:11Because we've seen tons of tape on him. And he looks absolutely awesome.
63:15Not to mention, there was an interview where he said, Boy, I kind of misphrased that a little bit.
63:21And probably raised a bunch of red flags that didn't need to be raised.
63:26That probably wasn't the right characterization of what I'm going through.
63:30And he looks great. So, if this is a new normal, new normal looks pretty awesome.
63:35And Rome looks awesome. I wouldn't be overly worried about that.
63:39I'd be more worried about it from a Ben Johnson schematic standpoint, which has historically run through the power slot wide receiver.
63:46Yep. All right. Well, mom is still making dinner tonight, boys.
63:50Mom is still making dinner tonight because we're happy still.
63:53Jax, do you have one? I just, I had one.
63:56The Omar Cooper one. I'm going to say, you know, the other one would be just with Omar, would be Omar, Eli Stowers.
64:04But we're going to move off the rookies. Okay.
64:07And I would just say that I'm starting to be afraid I was wrong about, and I've said this so much on Twitter, about Parker Washington.
64:16It's weird because. I'm already jumped ship. I'm on the other side of this one already.
64:21So, keep going. Well, the bet on this thing is like that Parker Washington was only good like this for what?
64:28You know, the back half of. About 10 games.
64:31About nine games. Well, with the playoffs, yeah. It's like 10, 11 games.
64:35Yeah. Yeah. So, he had two and a half seasons before that where he wasn't that guy.
64:41And, you know, it's just, it's a hard bet to make.
64:45Look, I'm not saying he won't be improved. I'm not saying he reverts back to, you know, 1.1 yards per route run or something.
64:53But I just don't know that he's 2.50 either.
64:56You know, I think he probably just sort of mutes in there with Thomas Jr.
65:01and Jacoby Myers and Strange and the rest of it.
65:04I think it's just, even if he leads that, you know, that was my take.
65:09But the more that I hear, and that still sounds like a good way to approach this without being emotional on either side.
65:17I'm not saying he's like, not good. I'm just not ready to, like, I hear so many people like, he's the clear number one there.
65:25And that may be true. And I'm starting to fear that it might be.
65:30Me too. Well, it just seems so narrative based.
65:33Like, they love him and stuff. It's like, yeah, I know.
65:36Sure. But are we, you know? I just want to be clear that in the back part of the season, like the
65:44last, let's call it six games or something. Like, basically when Jacoby Myers showed up, I think that was like week seven or something.
65:52His yards per route run was actually like well into the threes, right?
65:56So you just quoted kind of like a full season thing, but when they actually shifted, it was in the threes.
66:03And we were in like the, like the Puka JSN range in terms of ridiculous dominance.
66:08Trav, a few weeks ago. Yeah. I think it was the Jacob Sanderson episode.
66:13You referenced wide receivers that have gone on to, you know, produce after their fourth season.
66:18Their fourth season, right? And this sounds stupid to say, but one of the names that was on the list was Antonio Brown.
66:26And I haven't, I'm just, this is a confession.
66:29It's a stupid lizard brain thing, but I have not been able to get it out of my head.
66:35It was like, is this dude Antonio Brown? Like that's ridiculous comment, ridiculous statement.
66:40I'm just saying what's going on in my subconscious.
66:43I was like that. If you could pull that list up, I think it's actually pretty fascinating because he was an unheralded sixth round pick.
66:51I believe Antonio Brown was also a sixth round pick.
66:55Like the parallels were just kind of drawing themselves.
66:58Brown obviously was able to play on the outside to the extent that Washington can't.
67:03And Brown obviously is, despite his insanity, one of the greatest wide receivers I've ever seen in my lifetime.
67:09He had a six year run that was Jerry Rice levels of dominance.
67:13So I'm not going there, but Washington had a 10 game span where he was at that level of dominance as well.
67:21So it seems like he's the guy that's not coming off the field.
67:25And I'm upset that I don't have more. I actually traded him away last season before all this started.
67:31And I'm like, I look back at that trade and I was like, oh, really regret that one.
67:37I'd much rather have Parker Washington right now. But yeah, we couldn't have known.
67:42You can't beat yourself up over stuff like that.
67:45But that's a great one, Jax. And I have already sort of like in in redraft leagues this year, I'm going to have Parker Washington.
67:53His price has gotten insane. I think I'm still going to have him.
67:58And but I haven't been able to obtain him in Dynasty because no one's selling.
68:03You want to hear something crazy about Antonio Brown?
68:06Because you made me look him up. I was like, wait, did he suck his first two years?
68:12Like you did. It wasn't great. Did he though?
68:15He had a couple. If I remember correctly, this is going off the dome in his rookie year.
68:21He was like a kick returner and he was pretty good at that.
68:25And then in year two, he started playing. And then year three, he basically became dominant.
68:30That's what I thought, too. Well, he had he had a twelve hundred yard season in year two.
68:36Oh, shit. It was that really. And he was the sixth round pick, right?
68:41But listen, the first year, 2010. 2010, I looked.
68:44He only had two hundred fifty seven yards receiving.
68:47But here's the stat, right? So out of his whatever, however many seasons he played, I just got to look at it
68:54real quick, like twelve or something like that. Out of all those seasons.
68:59That wide receiver back then, too. Right. They had so many good wide receivers.
69:03Listen, he had he had three seasons total where he was below two point zero yards per outrun.
69:09Just three. And you'd think, oh, maybe it was that first year.
69:13Nope. That first year, even he was still two point nine five yards per outrun.
69:18Wow. Even on two hundred and fifty seven yards and, you know, twenty one catches, whatever.
69:24Like, you know, he was just he was still kind of badass even in that year.
69:29And you might go, well, obviously, it must have been his final year in Tampa Bay.
69:34You know what I mean? I mean, he only had five hundred forty five yards had to have been that year.
69:41Nope. That year he was two point seven nines yards per run.
69:45So God bless Antonio Brown, like the years that he barely made.
69:49It was like one point nine twos where he had.
69:53You know, I mean, it's just he was he's incredible.
69:56I've had so many arguments with people over the years about Antonio, the greatness of Antonio Brown, where they're just like not
70:03willing to put him anywhere near where his play should have him in like the echelon of wide receivers.
70:10He's like very near the top. Yeah. He had five.
70:13He had five straight seasons, five straight seasons of thirteen hundred or more yards and ten or more touchdowns.
70:20That's nuts. I know. Yeah. Yeah. He's like it's like Jamal Charles will never get his due just for reasons unknown.
70:27Antonio Brown, we know why he won't. But oh, my God.
70:30Oh, my God. I can't say enough about the guy.
70:34So that's why I knew it was a ridiculous statement to begin with.
70:38But either way, I think Parker Washington is in the hall of dudes we thought sucked, but might be actually good for sure, dude.
70:46For sure. Good hall. Yeah. So that's that, Joe.
70:49I found it. I tweeted it out since 2006.
70:52Only four wide receivers have been drafted in rounds five through seven and had more than 12 fantasy points per game in their fourth year or later.
71:01Antonio Brown, Stefan Diggs, Julian Edelman, Jax and Tyreek Hill.
71:04Antonio Brown did that. Seven times after his fourth season.
71:08So he's amazing. Okay, boys. I got one. Puka is going to be on that list.
71:13Puka is going to be on that list. Yeah.
71:16Yeah. True that. True that. Okay. I am scared, boys.
71:19And this is one that I'm very interested in to see what you guys have to say, because we were all very,
71:27very, very staunch in our take on this guy.
71:30I'm a little bit worried. Or maybe. Maybe just kind of wishing I had a little bit more skin in the Matthew golden game.
71:38And I know that that is almost an act of blaspheme.
71:41Just that I said that on this very show.
71:44But the signs are seeming good. And I'm just thinking if there was like, what lesson would I learn if he does hit?
71:52And I'm not necessarily sure I know that yet.
71:55But I feel like it would be something by way of even if you're all the way out on a prospect, think
72:02about being in on a good situation. You know what I mean?
72:06And I don't know if that's actually the take yet.
72:10But I don't know, man. I think the hit on Matthew golden, if he does hit.
72:15And this is another question, Jax. What is a hit on Matthew golden?
72:19Great question. I think it could be really fun to have on a roster is all I'm saying.
72:25I think it could be like, you know, 20, like one of the last two Roma dunes a seasons would be a hit for Matthew golden.
72:34So disappointing. Roma dunes a is a hit for Matthew gold.
72:38I am zero shares, zero cares. And I am not worried about this one.
72:42I look, I think he's destined to be, you know, a seal.
72:46I actually think that is kind of not a ceiling, obviously.
72:50But I think that will be, you know, sort of representative of his ceiling that he'll get to seven, eight, 900 yards and maybe even double the touchdown.
72:59In some year or something, but basically going to be that type of player, you know, sacrificial X to use the term.
73:07Yeah, I think like, yeah, the season Alec Pierce just had good one.
73:11Yeah, good one. Come to mind with Matthew golden.
73:14And it was awesome, right? Like Matthew golden. There's no questioning.
73:18There's a lot of good stuff on tape, but there's just something he hasn't put all together yet.
73:24And maybe he can write Devante Adams famously didn't get it together until year three.
73:29Right. So it's very much possible not to mention just all the vacated targets in Green Bay between Dobbs, Wicks, Melton.
73:36Right. So there's tons of opportunity there and a much more consolidated wide receiver room.
73:41I just tend to think that a lot more is going to go to the crafts of the world, the reads of
73:48the world, and particularly the Watson's of the world.
73:51But Watson has not exactly been the model of health, nor has read and craft is coming off of an ACL.
73:58So he might just be the last guy standing and could have a phenomenal year and we could all have egg on our face.
74:06But he the argument against him was always he was not deserving to be a first round pick.
74:12It's kind of like the Jerry and Price thing again.
74:15Right. Where it's like it's like I don't know that you should be taking this guy in the first round.
74:22I feel better about him if he was a second round pick.
74:26It's kind of the same thing. And maybe that's just some sort of fallacy, just false expectations.
74:32And now I'm holding it against them. But he wouldn't have been very interesting to me.
74:37And our model didn't like him all that much.
74:40But he's in the 50-50 range. So it's definitely possible.
74:43And I think it's a good one. I think it's a good one.
74:48I've got one share and one care. So there's that.
74:51Okay, Joe, give us one more and then let's get the fuck out of here.
74:56Yes, sir. Oh, man. All right. This is. I've got two more, actually, if you don't mind.
75:02One more thing. No, no, no, no. Two more things.
75:05First one is. Let's circle back on this one more time.
75:09The Super Bowl is on Valentine's Day. I've already told my wife.
75:13Fuck, Joe. I didn't know that. It's on Valentine's Day.
75:16I've already told her. Dumbass. Super Bowl. I think it's going to be cool.
75:21And she says she's cool with it. And I think it was smart to let her know ahead of time.
75:27But I'm afraid that she's not going to be cool with it.
75:31Yeah. Right. Right. It's going to get thrown back in my face.
75:35Yeah. That's what. There's no. There's no way to do this.
75:39It's not my fault. It's the Super Bowl, which is.
75:42Let's be fair. A bigger holiday than Valentine's Day.
75:45Ravens versus Cowboys. Who even cares? Should we make sure we do some sort of like Super Bowl event stream or something like that?
75:53So it has to be like for the business or something, Joe.
75:57So it's like a work thing. Oh, that's a good idea.
76:01That's a good idea. We should just make it.
76:04I don't know. I think we should maybe take that week off and take our wives out and just do an early Valentine's Day.
76:12Excuse me. My wife doesn't give a fuck about Valentine's Day.
76:16I'm good. Hey, we'll just have our wives do the show in our stead.
76:20That's a good idea. And they should talk shit about us and Gorilla Dicks and what have you.
76:26Yeah, exactly. That'd be great. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT.
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76:54All right. My real one. Confirm the rumors, you know.
76:58My real one. This one's good. Chargers. Our assumption is basically that Lad McConkie got nuked last year by Keenan Allen and
77:05that he's going to get back on track of his elite rookie year production and the direction he was going.
77:12And last year we are attributing it to the offensive line, the presence of Keenan Allen, the team kind of just falling apart and whittling away.
77:20But, you know, there's a part of my brain that says, hey, he actually ran a lot of routes last year and
77:28he just wasn't earning targets at a high rate.
77:31And we're not excusing it at the college level with guys like Carnell Tate.
77:35Why are we excusing it with Lad McConkie, who, by the way, was also on the field with a bunch of dope
77:43players in college and, you know, never hit a dominator, like never got a dominator rating.
77:48Right. So my concern is, are we just really, really wrong about Lad McConkie?
77:53And have we overpriced him? I think he's dope.
77:56He's got a lot of the, you know, he gave us, he validated a lot of our priors in his rookie season.
78:03Um, we liked him as a prospect and then year two happened and we're excusing away a lot of things.
78:10And is that a mistake? That's, I'm really scared because I've started, you know, I have tons of Lad McConkie and then
78:17I even bought some this off season kind of in anticipation of this awesome, fun offense, which I feel like process wise
78:24is the right play because you want to be part of wagons.
78:28And we think he's the best receiver on a wagon team.
78:32But what if he's just not as good as we think he is?
78:36And what if he's just playing second fiddle like he did his whole college career?
78:41So Jax, I'm going to kick this one to you pretty, pretty quickly, actually, because this was actually, we're kind of talking about circling back Jax.
78:50This is kind of what I was saying, kind of a draft season as the one who was maybe a little bit
78:57more skeptical on Lad was that maybe he is just like a really good role player, but not a guy who's going
79:05to command the whole pie year after year after year.
79:08And, you know, I'm actually higher now on Lad than I was then.
79:12And but honestly, my kind of poking holes wasn't just because I'm racist against whites, boys.
79:18It's because I saw some of this stuff that you're saying, Joe, is that like maybe he is just above average and
79:25had that really good season to where steaming him up near that top 12 was a little bit lofty.
79:31Jax, have you allowed this one to enter your brain?
79:35There's no fading your racism either. So don't try.
79:38I'm trying, man. Like, I'm going to get a bad rap out here.
79:42100% racist. Just not in the way that other people think racist is.
79:46He hates the whites. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't even hate the, he's just, it's a different kind.
79:52It's Canadian. It's different. All right. Listen, is Lad McConkie just expensive Malik Washington?
79:57Whoa. Right. I never said that, bro. That is greasy.
80:00That is greasy. That one hurt, didn't it? Oh.
80:03Yeah, that's greasy. No, I mean, yeah, no, there's definitely some, there's some concern there for sure.
80:09Because here's the other thing too. If he was the guy that we thought he was, he wouldn't have gotten cucked by Keenan Allen completely.
80:17Right. Like it would have been different. So yeah, that, that last data point, last season's data point, not a good one.
80:24Now offensive line was terrible. You know, Herbert was banged up.
80:28I mean, look, nothing went very well for them, even though they made the playoffs, but like, you know, we Patriots played that team.
80:36I mean, they were just like, I was like, man, I almost felt bad for Herbert.
80:41Like it was just ugly. You know, and we didn't dominate Seattle like that.
80:46You know what I mean? Like, so it was clearly, they had some issues that they were contending with.
80:52So maybe there's a lot of things that we could throw at that.
80:57But yeah, this is a do or die season, Joe.
81:00And I have the exact same feeling. I almost put lad on my list just to give you some.
81:06There you go. So I'm with you. There's all scared.
81:10There's scared. Hold me. There's also the factor of like QJ was better than we expected as well.
81:16And if we're wrong on QJ, he could be impactful towards lad McConkie as well.
81:21So I think this Chargers, how this Chargers passing game unfolds is going to be fascinating because I'm heavy in my O'Rondé Gadsden bags.
81:29I could have put him on this list. There's so many other ways we could go, but I think we wrapped up some pretty nice ones, fellas.
81:38It was a good. I'm going to read you some names real quick before you wrap it up.
81:44One more thing. Get it. No, this is it.
81:47There's no hate whatsoever. Carry on. You ready? Deontay Johnson, Jamison Williams, Dante Pettis, Nico Collins, Elijah Moore, LaVisca Chenault, Wandel Robinson, and Xavier Worthy.
81:55Those are the guys that trail right behind lad McConkie and the wide receiver model.
82:00Just saying. I don't know. Was that, is that like some list that knocks your socks off?
82:06No, not really. Now there's some hits there, but you know, just after where he, he just barely cracks a threshold where
82:13it starts to get a little, a little fuzzy after that.
82:17So, you know, we, we shouldn't necessarily feel like this is a can't miss prospect.
82:22This isn't JSN, right? Where we were like, no, no JSN.
82:25Look, if we're wrong about JSN, then the whole world is wrong.
82:29Like, you know what I mean? We don't know what we're doing.
82:33Exactly. Something happened. Something happened. Something was wrong. You know, so that, that was why we were buying back in on JSN.
82:41Right. So, you know, it's not exactly that. Yeah.
82:44That's all I'm saying. For sure. For sure. Yeah.
82:47But I don't feel better about any of these just to be clear.
82:51I don't feel better. I know. Like I, I feel.
82:54No cry on the pillow. I feel level on Roma dunes.
82:58but that's about it. Yeah. It's, it's going to be an interesting one.
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