Future 1st Podcast - Ep 51 - Dynasty Bestball Roster Construction, QB/TE
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1 hr 26 min
Duration
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Jul 13, 2026
Published
Mon, July 13, 2026
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Player insights
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Players mentioned
Topics
Davis AllenBrock BowersCole KmetDak PrescottDallas GoedertDalton SchultzElijah HigginsHunter HenryJared GoffJosh AllenJuwan JohnsonMatthew StaffordTrevor LawrenceTrey McBride
Player analysis
Player insights
AJ Barner
PositiveValue0:55
Listed as a lower-tier tight end option with improving value; suitable for streaming or multiple rostering in no tight end premium formats.
Insight pageBrock Bowers
PositiveProjection0:58
Identified as a premier tight end asset in high tight end premium leagues; speaker indicates minimal need for backup tight ends when rostering Bowers.
Insight pagePositiveProjection21:49
Identified as one of the elite tight ends (alongside Trey McBride and George Kittle) that justify tight end premium in dynasty bestball roster construction.
Insight pageBrock Purdy
PositiveRole0:46
Referenced as the current 49ers starter whose injury would elevate Mac Jones to starting status in dynasty bestball context.
Insight pageColby Parkinson
PositiveRole32:00
Colby Parkinson is mentioned as a depth tight end option in deeper leagues (30+ rosters) where you can roster multiple Rams TEs and reliably get replacement-level production from one of them each week.
Insight pageCole Kmet
PositiveSleeper23:30
Identified as a tight end with clear roadblocks to elite production but potential for normal weekly production in deep league builds.
Insight pagePositiveValue30:51
Identified as an undervalued tight end that can be acquired in later rounds of startup drafts (rounds 12-15) with point production value.
Insight pageDak Prescott
PositiveProjection0:44
Grouped with Jared Goff and Trevor Lawrence as a solid mid-tier quarterback option for dynasty bestball rosters where having three comparable-level QBs provides confidence.
Insight pagePositiveProjection44:00
Dak Prescott is positioned as a solid mid-tier QB option that can anchor a reliable three-QB core in dynasty best ball alongside Jared Goff and Trevor Lawrence.
Insight pageDallas Goedert
PositiveValue0:59
Used as an example of a low-ADP tight end from last season that, when combined with Juwan Johnson and Dalton Kincaid, produced 18.2 PPG in half-point TE premium format.
Insight pagePositiveValue30:51
Identified as an undervalued tight end that can be acquired in later rounds of startup drafts with point production value.
Insight pageDalton Kincaid
PositiveValue0:59
Ninth-round startup ADP last year; combined with Dallas Goddert and Juwan Johnson produced 18.2 PPG in half-point TE premium format, demonstrating Frankenstein TE strategy effectiveness.
Insight pageDalton Schultz
PositiveValue0:55
Listed as a lower-tier tight end option suitable for streaming or multiple rostering in no tight end premium formats to match top-tier TE production.
Insight pagePositiveRole22:19
Valued as a reliable tight end two option in shallow leagues to ensure baseline production without zero-point weeks.
Insight pageDarnell Washington
PositiveRole0:01
Second-tier tight end option that can serve as flex replacement for lower-tier wide receivers in heavy personnel offensive schemes.
Insight pageDavis Allen
PositiveRole0:01
Identified as a second-tier tight end option that can serve as a flex replacement for lower-tier wide receivers in heavy personnel (12/13 personnel) offensive schemes.
Insight pagePositiveSleeper22:37
Targeted in deep leagues as a potential breakout candidate with upside despite current role limitations.
Insight pagePositiveRole32:00
Davis Allen is mentioned as a depth tight end option in deeper leagues (30+ rosters) where you can roster multiple Rams TEs and reliably get replacement-level production from one of them each week.
Insight pageDeshaun Watson
NegativeRole0:51
Referenced as an example of a highly-paid QB who was cut after extension, illustrating the NFL market's volatility for quarterback job security in dynasty planning.
Insight pageElijah Higgins
PositiveRole0:01
Second-tier tight end option that can serve as flex replacement for lower-tier wide receivers in heavy personnel offensive schemes.
Insight pagePositiveSleeper22:37
Targeted in deep leagues as a potential breakout candidate with upside despite current role limitations.
Insight pageEvan Engram
PositiveValue30:51
Identified as an undervalued tight end that can be acquired in later rounds of startup drafts with point production value.
Insight pageGeno Smith
NegativeRole0:51
Cautionary example of a QB whose job security changed unexpectedly; was expected to be Raiders starter but is now uncertain to remain in the league, illustrating risks of banking on future QB situations.
Insight pageGeorge Kittle
PositiveInjury21:49
Referenced as an elite tight end option if uninjured, suggesting injury concerns impact his elite status in bestball construction.
Insight pageGreg Dulcich
PositiveRole22:37
Has taken off in Miami more recently and is targeted in deep leagues as a potential breakout candidate.
Insight pageGunner Olszewski
PositiveRole22:03
Thrust into starting role but uncertain if role will stick; represents ambiguous tight end prospect in dynasty builds.
Insight pageHunter Henry
PositiveValue0:55
Recommended as a lower-tier tight end option in no tight end premium leagues; can be streamed or rostered in multiples to match top-tier TE production on a weekly basis.
Insight pagePositiveRole22:19
Valued as a reliable tight end two option in shallow leagues to ensure baseline production without zero-point weeks.
Insight pageJake Ferguson
PositiveRole22:19
Valued as a reliable tight end two option in shallow leagues to ensure baseline production without zero-point weeks.
Insight pageJalen Tolbert
NegativeRole20:12
Example of a backend wide receiver with uncertain upside that could be replaced by rostering tight ends in deeper league builds.
Insight pageJalin Hyatt
PositiveRole21:53
Young promising tight end without a clear path to immediate production; valued as a tight end two prospect in deep league builds.
Insight pageJared Goff
PositiveProjection0:44
Used as an example of a solid starting quarterback in dynasty bestball roster construction; speaker indicates comfort with Goff as a primary QB if he's performing well.
Insight pagePositiveProjection44:00
Jared Goff is mentioned as a solid mid-tier QB option that can be part of a reliable three-QB core in dynasty best ball, alongside other stable options like Dak Prescott and Trevor Lawrence.
Insight pageJayden Daniels
PositiveRole29:00
Jaden Daniels is mentioned as a young QB whose backup should be rostered in dynasty best ball to protect against potential injury or role changes.
Insight pageJoe Burrow
PositiveProjection40:25
Joe Burrow can have elite seasons with 50 touchdowns and 5,000 yards, but this is not something you can reliably count on year to year in dynasty best ball construction.
Insight pageJosh Allen
PositiveValue0:45
Referenced humorously in trade discussion context as a player with quantifiable trade value in dynasty leagues.
Insight pagePositiveProjection41:21
Josh Allen is described as "the only asset" in the elite QB tier that can be reliably counted on year in and year out, with the most consistent fantasy performance over the last five years.
Insight pageJuwan Johnson
PositiveValue0:59
Low-ADP tight end from last season that, combined with Dallas Goddert and Dalton Kincaid, produced 18.2 PPG in half-point TE premium format, demonstrating Frankenstein TE strategy.
Insight pagePositiveValue30:51
Identified as an undervalued tight end that can be acquired in later rounds of startup drafts with point production value.
Insight pageKyler Murray
NegativeRole0:45
Cited as an example of a QB playing for his comeback career with uncertain job security going into next season in dynasty bestball context.
Insight pageLamar Jackson
PositiveRole29:00
Lamar Jackson is mentioned as a QB with injury history whose backup should be rostered in dynasty best ball to protect against potential absences.
Insight pageMac Jones
NegativeRole0:46
Identified as a trap piece in dynasty bestball for contenders; speaker views him as a ticking time bomb due to job security concerns with the 2027 QB class influx, though useful for rebuilders as a zero-cost backup.
Insight pageMalik Willis
NegativeRole0:45
Mentioned as a backup QB prospect being targeted in dynasty leagues with hopes of future starting opportunity, but speaker cautions against banking on job security given NFL market volatility.
Insight pageMark Andrews
PositiveValue0:58
Mentioned as a low-cost backup tight end option when rostering a premier TE like Brock Bowers; can provide flex fill-in value on weeks with injuries or poor performance.
Insight pageMatthew Stafford
PositiveRole0:49
Preferred over backup QBs like Mac Jones and Malik Willis in dynasty bestball due to contract security and known performance level; more likely to have a starting job next year despite age concerns.
Insight pagePositiveRole29:00
Matthew Stafford is mentioned as a QB with injury history whose backup should be rostered in dynasty best ball to protect against potential absences.
Insight pagePatrick Mahomes
PositiveRole30:00
Patrick Mahomes is mentioned in the context of having a backup (Justin Fields) who could start early in the season, suggesting potential injury or rest concerns.
Insight pageTerrance Ferguson
PositiveRole21:48
Young tight end without a clear path to immediate production; represents the type of prospect to evaluate carefully in dynasty builds.
Insight pageTravis Kelce
PositiveValue0:58
Recommended as a low-cost backup tight end option despite general market dislike; can provide flex value in weeks where premier TEs underperform or catch multiple touchdowns.
Insight pageTrevor Lawrence
PositiveProjection0:44
Mentioned as part of a tier of three comparable-level quarterbacks (with Goff and Prescott) that provides roster flexibility in dynasty bestball construction.
Insight pagePositiveProjection44:00
Trevor Lawrence is mentioned as a solid mid-tier QB option that can be part of a reliable three-QB core in dynasty best ball, allowing for more flexibility on the fourth QB spot.
Insight pageTrey McBride
PositiveProjection0:56
Identified as a top-tier tight end in high tight end premium leagues; his average week production (5 receptions, 60 yards) is used as a benchmark for tight end evaluation.
Insight pagePositiveProjection21:49
Identified as one of the elite tight ends that justify tight end premium in dynasty bestball roster construction.
Insight pageTy Simpson
PositiveBreakout39:35
Ty Simpson is valued highly in dynasty best ball rebuilds because he will have a guaranteed starting role at some point in his career, making him a valuable long-term QB asset despite current uncertainty.
Insight pageTyler Higbee
PositiveValue0:55
Recommended as a lower-tier tight end option in no tight end premium leagues for streaming or multiple rostering to match top-tier TE production.
Insight pagePositiveRole32:00
Tyler Higbee is mentioned as a depth tight end option in deeper leagues (30+ rosters) where you can roster multiple Rams TEs and reliably get replacement-level production from one of them each week.
Insight pageTyler Warren
PositiveProjection0:58
Grouped as a premier tight end asset in high tight end premium leagues; minimal backup TE investment needed when rostering Warren.
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Episode Transcript
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2:02What a do. Best ballin' for you. This is Future First Podcast, where we help you win today with the Future First mindset.
2:09I'm your co-host, J-Mac, here with my co-host, Jose.
2:12What a do, man. What's up, J-Mac? Shout out to all the Future First followers out there and listeners.
2:18Thank you guys as always for tuning in. Got a great episode for you today with a very special guest.
2:25But I've been good, J-Mac. How have you been?
2:28I've been okay. The US, so we're recording this on, what is it now?
2:32It is Monday night. The US lost. They got spanked 4-1.
2:36So I've been better. But we're not here to talk about that football.
2:40We're here to talk about American football. Football Americano, as they say.
2:44And we are here joined by Kupa from South Harmon to go over the best ball dynasty.
2:49We are keeping that series going. Kupa, what's going on, man?
2:53Not too much. I was mentioning pre-show, my AC went out today.
2:57So you know, recording a nice balmy 81 degrees here.
3:00So if you got some hot takes, know that they're coming because it is hot.
3:05It is hot. Hopefully not like damp takes. We could do without the damp takes, but let's get some hot takes going.
3:12All right, guys, as it is in July here around future first, we are continuing our best balling series talking only about
3:19dynasty best ball because it is one of our favorite formats.
3:23Jose and I are self-proclaimed experts. We started in best ball dynasty here.
3:27That was our first, was my first dynasty league was yours too, right?
3:31Jose. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we specialize in it.
3:34It is our favorite way to go about it.
3:37And we're going to have some of those starting up here at the end of this month.
3:43So after you guys are all schooled up after this series, we're going to put you to the test.
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4:54Follow her on X at BFoxworth07. Okay. You guys, I went over that as fast as I could so that we could
5:01get into the meat of this episode, because there is a lot of good stuff to get through.
5:07So we're going to talk about dynasty best ball roster construction today, specifically quarterbacks and tight ends.
5:12Are you guys ready? Let's do it. But first, I'm sorry, as always a quick hit.
5:18All right. For tonight's quick hit, the news cycle is slow out there.
5:22Not a lot of topical information. We did not want to give Brandon Ayuk any more minutes of airtime here.
5:28So we are going to talk about Koopa because he is the guest of the honor here.
5:34And we're going to ask you, Koopa, what is your general approach here to best ball dynasty?
5:39Lay the groundwork here for how you play the game and approach it in general here?
5:44Yeah. So the main thing that if you followed stuff that I've done, you know that I do a bunch of stuff with warp.
5:52I have my own tool over at southharmonff.com that it's one that I've created.
5:57So I trust all the math behind it. And what I have learned from utilizing that on best ball leagues, and I'm
6:04probably in 25 of them or something like that, is that there's some positions that it's really easy to find people that
6:11with enough volume, you're going to be able to get some points out.
6:15And there's other positions where you're just horribly limited.
6:18And so in a rule of thumb, and I loved the, this, the, that it was mentioned in last week's pod is
6:25two players for every single position rule of thumb.
6:28That's what I want. If I need a QB one, I want two QB ones.
6:33If I want to make sure I have a QB two, two QB twos.
6:38So I'm looking at a warp chart and I'm going, okay, in order for me to have an optimal team, I want it.
6:45I want to have a QB one. I want to have two wide receiver twos.
6:50I want to have an RB one and two RB threes and a, and a tight end too.
6:56Well, everything that I just said, what I want on my team, I want double of that.
7:01So if I'm like, okay, I want two good quarterback twos.
7:05I want to make sure I have at least four quarterback twos in order to fill those spots in my lineup.
7:12If I want the one RB one, well, I want two RB ones.
7:16So I'm probably investing a lot in the top tier running backs.
7:20If I'm looking at, okay, I just need some, some tight end threes.
7:24Okay. I might just be tossing two like middling tight ends at the problem and just calling it there.
7:30Now, of course it gets down into the flex spots and flex spots are completely variable.
7:35And that's where I tend to flex a lot based on the values that the rest of my league is looking at it.
7:43I find that a lot of people, when they're playing best ball, they do a very poor job of separating the values
7:50of players and best ball from those in lineup.
7:53So if I am going to be trying to fill out my flex spots, I'm looking at, okay, well, a lot of
8:00people aren't valuing like lower tier tight ends or lower tier wide receivers, because in a normal lineup league, you aren't ever
8:07going to start those guys, but in best ball with enough volume, you can get some really good points out of those
8:14guys, but that of course relies on your league being deep enough to take advantage of that volume.
8:20So you have to combine all of those factors together to figure out, okay, what is the optimal lineup that I'm trying
8:27to, to create based on the value that the rest of my league is giving me, but it all comes back to,
8:34I want two for every single type of player on my team.
8:38It just might change league to league with scoring settings and things like that, whether what tier at each position that I'm trying to target.
8:46Yeah. I mean, that's, that's amazing. It's probably a lot easier said than done.
8:51I imagine getting those two RB ones, two QB ones, all of them, even the four, like you're saying, but still, I
8:58believe the, what you're saying here, that's just the goal of where you're trying to get to.
9:03And obviously dynasties aren't built in a day. You're, it's going to take some time to kind of morph and mold that
9:11team into exactly what you're looking for here. Jose, what do you think about this approach?
9:16Are you similarly aligned with it or kind of, uh, do you, you know, deviate in some way?
9:22Yeah. I mean, I think it all, it's, it's has to be league by league.
9:26I think that's obviously a great end goal to have.
9:30Like if you're playing fantasy and dynasty in particular, like you need to have a goal that you're aiming for.
9:36Um, and so I think what Kupa is talking about is, is a great road map.
9:41Like, I mean, obviously I'm sure you've done well, not having everything that you just mentioned.
9:46I mean, I think that's like the exodia of, you know, your build, your final build.
9:52And, um, that's when you become like the super team in the league, when you're able to kind of get into that,
9:59especially in dynasty as you, you know, you have to kind of churn.
10:03And sometimes that running back one is Derek Henry, who's been a running back one for five years, but we know his,
10:10you know, he's about the, the shoes are going to drop their CMC or some of those players.
10:16Like it's definitely, um, harder said than none, but I think it makes a lot of sense, um, in terms of how
10:23to build, uh, the best team possible in, uh, in a dynasty basketball format.
10:28Yeah, no, I, I tend to agree there and I like the approach that we're going there.
10:33So Kupa, since we have a little bit more time here, that's what like a contending roster would look like for you, right?
10:41What is a rebuilding roster look like for you?
10:44And maybe I'm throwing a curveball at you. You weren't ready for this, but necessarily, but I feel like you're going to
10:51be able to answer this on the flyer. Yeah.
10:54A rebuilding roster in a lineup league, I am fine tearing it down to the bones.
10:59Like where my starting lineup is almost something where it's like, I feel like I have a chance at scoring zero points
11:06this week in a best ball league. If you tear it down all the way to the bones and the way you've
11:13done that isn't by getting every single draft pick in the upcoming class, then you are at a serious risk of not
11:20having a team that is going to be able to contend.
11:24And that you are, even when you get the couple draft picks that you have, and you have a couple players, uh,
11:31come back, like maybe you had some injured guys and things like that, that you don't have enough firepower in order to
11:38turn this back around to being a contending team.
11:41I find that if you don't do enough work to diversify out into enough assets that are still high enough value, you
11:48end up coming out of your rebuild is like the sixth or seventh place team.
11:53And in best ball, it is so much harder is the sixth or seventh place team to make the playoffs and then
12:00beat the other teams in the league. Because with the scoring settings being such the way that they are that, Hey, if
12:07somebody has a bad week out of their player, maybe their star gets hurt.
12:12It doesn't become, Hey, the 20 points they were expecting out of Jamar chase becomes a zero.
12:17It's the 20 points becomes the replacement player that they have on their team, which might still be 13 or 14 points.
12:24So you're only seeing a difference of six points there.
12:28And all of a sudden you still have to make up those other 13 with the rest of your team.
12:34And so you see a lot more of the number one and number two seeds being able to continue on through the
12:41playoffs because they just have such a deep team and they don't get hampered by the kinds of things that in a
12:48normal lineup league might kill a playoff run. Yeah.
12:51So would you say then for a rebuilding team that instead of like selling for picks, like you're saying, you obviously want
12:58those picks because those are going to hire going to replenish your team, your team in the cheapest manner.
13:04But would you say like consolidating up into like a more secure younger asset is, is a good way to approach this.
13:12If you can also get some plus on top of that, if that's a pick or, or another player, I find that
13:19typically contending teams do want to tear down and split assets.
13:22And so sometimes if you can find an injured asset, not only can you buy them cheap, but you can consolidate into
13:29them, which is only safety into the future. And you can kind of have that asset.
13:35That's not going to get you points now, but be somebody for you in the future that can get you those big
13:42boom weeks, but also have a safe floor. You have to go into it with the idea of, I don't care about what players I'm getting.
13:50I just need to accumulate value. And you have, you almost have to get to a higher value threshold before you turn
13:57it into actually getting points on your roster than you would with a normal lineup league.
14:02Because in a normal lineup league, you oftentimes run into the scenario where like, cause I have a, of my few lineup
14:10teams, I have a couple of them. We're going into this year.
14:14It's like a start 10 and yeah, I've got like nine good guys on my team and I'm filling in one lineup
14:21spot and we'll see, but I'm not tossing that team at out the window of like, okay, this isn't going to be competing this year.
14:29That team might be competing for me, but in best ball, if I'm sitting there with nine guys and I'm in, it's
14:36a start 10 that that team is probably is getting the one Oh three or one Oh four.
14:42Like, because you just do not have the depth that you need.
14:46And so if I'm going to be trying to turn this value game into points when I have nine or 10 good players, that's not enough value.
14:54I still need to be in value accrual mode.
14:57I, I don't need to care about, okay, I've got nine good guys.
15:01I could try and roll this into the season.
15:04No, I need to, I can try to use those guys to move into assets, whether those are younger injured assets, whether
15:12those are, um, assets that maybe there's somebody that understands the idea of, I take a top tier player and I split them and I come out ahead.
15:21And so you take some of your assets and you tear up in order to get some of that, that value that
15:28a contending team is willing to give up in the name of points.
15:32Exactly. And you have to continue to keep doing it over and over and over again until basically you look on whether
15:39it's the, um, the, the OTC calculator, whether it's dynasty daddy, whatever tool you use and you see, Hey, value wise, my
15:46team is number one or number two in the league.
15:49Then you can start flipping it over into contending, but you can't do that when you're middle of the pack.
15:56You can't make that switch because you just won't have the firepower to compete with the teams that are already established.
16:03Yeah, no, that's, I was just telling Jose that too, the other day, like we were talking offline.
16:09I was like, man, I'm just like at this point now we're in best ball.
16:13Like all I want to do is just a crew value, a crew value.
16:18And then when the season gets into the place and something hits my way, then I can make my move in season.
16:25If I feel like the team is there. Jose, what do you think about this, man?
16:30Are you, you kind of aligned in that way?
16:33Yeah, a hundred percent. I think too many people get into, um, dynasty best ball and they kind of treat it and
16:40kind of don't think about the best ball aspect enough.
16:44They definitely think about it when they're building their roster to some extent, but when it's time to rebuild the wet scene,
16:51way too many teams that kind of tank, um, in that format.
16:55And it's like in a, in a lineup league, getting the one-on-one back-to-back years is, is great in a best ball league.
17:02You're probably then just ending up having to split that asset multiple times to try to accrue the value.
17:08If you don't kind of dominate you, like if you're going to tank in that sort of format, um, like you need
17:15to acquire like half of the draft for the following like two years.
17:19And even then, I think you might still be in a position where you're, you're not having enough firepower because, um, as
17:26Cooper said, like, um, and I, that was one of the things that I kind of ran into the first year when
17:33I, um, played dynasty best ball was I loved my starting lineup.
17:37I had, if it was a, if it was a non-best ball league, it would be probably one of the best lineups, you know, you would dream of.
17:46But then after that, there was just no, um, no bad backups.
17:50Right. So like, as soon as I got into the playoffs and one or two of the players didn't perform, I lost
17:57because yeah, I had CD Brown, CD lamb, AJ Brown and I'm on Ross St.
18:02Brown, but like CD lamb and I'm on Ross St.
18:06Brown both had bad games. So then I went home in the first round because, you know, I just didn't have enough player depth.
18:13Right. So, um, I think that all makes a lot of sense.
18:17And I think it's something that not enough people pay attention to how hard it actually is to compete, like in a
18:24dynasty best ball that has like 10, 11 starting spots, just because you really need to have enough firepower to, um, get
18:31through the season and the war of attrition that like happens with injuries and players just not performing to the level that
18:39you thought like, and, and it's very difficult. Um, once the league is established, like I think in a dynasty best ball
18:46league, it's one of the least ones where I want to do a early punt unless I'm like really early in the game.
18:53And I accrue so many picks so much value, like out of a startup, I think it's one of the most daunting
19:00tasks because things can really go sideways. Yeah. Agree.
19:03All right, Koopa. I feel like we have laid proper groundwork here, but is there anything else you feel like we need
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22:59All right. Welcome back. Here we are in our main segment for today, Dynasty Best Ball Roster Construction.
23:05We're going to cover quarterbacks and tight ends. For the roster construction for the whole series, not only this week, but also
23:12next, you can go ahead and assume that we're working with a 12 by 11 league super flex tight end premium.
23:19If you need to assign a number to it, let's go ahead and assign it as a 1.0 tight end premium, give it a significant bump here.
23:28And we're going to call the rosters 27 deep.
23:31So right in between what I would call a shallow league and a larger league for a best ball, just a nice middle ground for it.
23:39So that way it's like the half PPR of scoring, you know, like let's just work with that.
23:45So that way we know it covers both ends.
23:48All right, let's dive into it here. And I'm just going to throw out a question to both of you.
23:54What is your process for evaluating a roster build, particularly for QBs?
23:58Where do you start? Do you start with scoring settings and roster settings, the war?
24:03Are you looking at your league mates? Do you need a team direction first before you can start looking at what kind of quarterbacks you're building into?
24:12So let's go ahead and toss this over to you first, Kupa.
24:16What is your process here for evaluating a roster build?
24:19I am always going to start with scoring settings for quarterback.
24:23I, the quarterback is a position that I am very much either in or out when it comes to best ball.
24:29So what I mean by that is if quarterback is a significant value position, it's very high up on a, on a warp chart.
24:37It, it's something that, you know, it, in your standard scoring settings, like it, it, that we are assuming for this example
24:44league, like if we're talking to straight up half PPR, sure, we got a tight end premium, but there's nothing extra going on.
24:52Quarterback is a valuable position and quarterback is one of those things where on any given week, there is only 32 available players.
24:59And if we're talking about starting two of them, and I said, I want double whatever I need to start.
25:06So I need four quarterbacks. If every other team in the league also thinks the same way, only eight of us can get to four quarterbacks.
25:14So already four teams are left out where they don't even have a single one.
25:19And what did I mention when I was talking about the, the rebuild thing?
25:24I don't want to go all the way down to zero.
25:27Like I don't want to go completely bare bones.
25:30And most people that know what they're doing a best ball are going to think a similar way.
25:36So realistically getting four quarterbacks is actually really, really hard unless you focus on it right out of the gate.
25:42And so when I am looking at a league where, okay, if I need to have good quarterbacks, then I am absolutely
25:50diving in on making probably four of my first like six or seven picks in the startup starting quarterbacks that I know
25:57are going to have consistent jobs year after year, and that I'm not going to need to keep diving to the well
26:04of, well, is this guy going to be a quarterback this year?
26:08Or I don't think he'll be one come next off season.
26:11Those sorts of things. Okay. If the quarterback position is something where it's completely down at the bottom, like maybe there's another position that is way higher up.
26:20Like I had a league where the running back position was just basically so high over every other position that I was
26:27just hammering running back every single time. Then yeah, I'm going to go lean at quarterback.
26:33I'm going to rely on a large backup quarterback stable.
26:36I'm going to utilize a bunch of my depths in order to roster these backup quarterbacks and be aggressive on waivers every
26:43single week getting whatever new backup quarterback is starting.
26:46And I'm just going to build out a QB room like that.
26:50But very, very rarely am I ever going to be in the situation where like my number one quarterback is Jared Goff
26:57and my number four quarterback is, is somebody a little bit further like the Jared Goff to Trevor Lawrence range.
27:03If I had like four guys in there, like I'm probably not going to have any teams like that.
27:10I mean, they're going to be higher or trying to target higher than that, or I'm going to be trying to target
27:17lower than that, depending on where the value is in the quarterback position.
27:21No, I dig that. I dig that a lot.
27:24It's very similar to where I'm trying to get to.
27:27I feel like I, it's really hard for me to pull the trigger on four quarterbacks in the early rounds of a startup like that.
27:35But Hey, like you said, if, if the war and the scoring settings are leaning that way, go for it.
27:42Jose, what about you, man? How are you a Ross evaluating this?
27:46Yeah. I think based on what Cooper is saying, kind of to build off of that, when he was mentioning, like having
27:53four, even if you're talking about everybody in the league, trying to get three startable usable quarterbacks, there's still not enough starting quarterbacks in the league.
28:01So it becomes a scenario where I kind of go based on like, what is my quarterback room, right?
28:07Like I need something very stable. And then if the quarterback too, is way more of like an uncertainty where you're filling
28:14in guys, I have come around to even in dynasty best ball, and especially in best ball, where you in season will
28:21be able to find a cheap guy that you can add to the room, whether every year that's Joe Flacco, whether it's,
28:29you know, a, who was the other vet? Brissette that started last year, like in, in, obviously these are not the sexy
28:36names, but if you're talking about that's the fourth addition to my quarterback or replacing the third slash fourth quarterback, because of
28:43injuries, then I do think that that is something that you could do even on, on waivers.
28:48Sometimes you can find players that in terms of a roster construction, if we're just looking at it as a holistic view,
28:56I think backup quarterbacks that have shown the ability to come in to a starting role from, you know, being a backup
29:03are definitely the type of bench players that you want to have.
29:07Like for me, for in dynasty best ball, I don't want to have too many zeros, but if it's like a couple
29:14backup quarterbacks, I'd rather that than like the third string running back or, you know, some other guy that's barely getting any
29:21snaps, barely playing like, you know, any sort of backup that's shown, especially for the quarterbacks that we know, you know, have
29:28injury history or we're worried about, right? Like a Matthew Stafford, obviously, if, if we think, you know, it's, it's going to
29:35be the rookie that starts or, you know, a Jaden Daniels, a Lamar Jackson, whoever that, you know, those sorts of players, their backups are available.
29:43I'm definitely trying to pick them up. Yeah. And I think that's a fine way to approach it too.
29:50It's just, you know, chunkify the season, split it up into chunks, right?
29:54If you're going in the beginning of the season, just get that guy at the beginning of the season, whether that's going
30:01and paying for Jacoby Brissett, who, you know, is probably not going to play all of this season, or maybe that's a
30:08guy like Justin Fields, who could start for Patrick Mahomes to start the season.
30:13I think there's a good way where you can just say, okay, I'm just going to figure it out for the first
30:20few weeks of the season, and I'm going to let chaos take over and I'm going to figure it out as the season goes on.
30:28But if you do approach it that way, you really need to make sure you're banking the assets that you need to
30:35approach that kind of strategy in a way that will give you success.
30:39So what do you guys do when the build, or sorry, how does roster size affect how you want to build your quarterback room here, right?
30:48For a shallower league that's like less than 26 roster size, rostering four quarterbacks is probably going to be a lot harder,
30:55especially if you're trying to shotgun this approach where you're just trying to get a bunch of backups and, you know, let chaos take over here.
31:03So in that kind of league, are you shooting for less and just higher quality ones or, or is it just the
31:10same strategy trying to get four, but just more secure ones here?
31:14Koopa, tell me about this, man. How do you approach it?
31:18It always comes back to how can I best utilize my roster spots?
31:22The shallower you get, the higher quality you need to have in order to have the results into your lineup that you want.
31:29I actually did a series on my podcast, probably about a year ago at this point of how many of each position
31:37do you need in order to reliably get essentially a replacement level?
31:40And so what I mean by that is going into a season, how many wide receiver spots would I need in order
31:48to guarantee that weeks two through 17, I have one top 24 wide receiver result every single week?
31:53How many tight ends do I need? How many running backs?
31:57How many quarterbacks? And for almost every single one, the number boiled down to somewhere between like eight and 12.
32:03So when you are getting into a shallower roster size where you get down to like 25, 24, and you're still starting
32:1111, I don't have eight roster spots to play with where I can reliably say, okay, well, if I just, you know,
32:18slap in eight tight ends, I'm going to get myself a top 12 tight end week almost every single week.
32:24But if I have that expand out to 30, 32, I have one league where we are 39.
32:30And now all of a sudden I can roster a bunch of these guys that are still relevant, but not really guys
32:37that you would think of is like, I'm talking like your Colby Parkinson's, your Davis Allen's, uh, Tyler Higbee's.
32:43I literally just named three Rams. Um, and, and, and you can more or less guess that, okay, one of those guys
32:50is going to do something every single week. And that's all I'm looking for is something, something replaceable out of one of
32:58the multitude of people that I have on my roster.
33:01And so if, when I'm looking at that from the quarterback position, I need to have that huge giant depth line in
33:08all those roster spots in order to be rostering all these backups.
33:12Otherwise, if I'm playing a backup quarterback strategy, I need to know that the rest of my league is not rostering the backups as well.
33:20Because if there's one rebuilder out there that says, screw it, I'm rebuilding, I'm going to roster 12 backup quarterbacks.
33:26Well, when the time comes in the, in the middle of the season and I'm looking for somebody, the best guy that
33:34I'm going to have on waivers is going to be Brady cook.
33:37And we all know how excited we were when Brady cook came in to start a couple of games for the jets
33:45and you won't have available to you. The Joe Flacco's, you won't have available the Jacoby resets.
33:50Um, Hey, you won't even have available like the max bras Mars.
33:54Like I'm just listing people that we were excited to try and have on our teams that were also probably rostered beforehand anyway.
34:01And so you can't rely on that unless your entire league is kind of colluding in that, okay, all of those guys are on waivers.
34:10And then you just need to make sure that you are putting in those big fab bids and understand that's what my fab is for.
34:18I'm not bidding on the random wide receiver who caught two touchdowns last week, uh, because you know, T Higgins was out.
34:25I'm not going to bid on that running back who might have a one B job this week because somebody's hurt.
34:32I need to save that in order to win the quarterback sweepstakes.
34:35And that all goes back into every, how are you spending your value in order to get points onto your team?
34:42Some of your value can come from the fab budget that is part of your, part of your team.
34:48And you understand, Hey, my fab is being allocated to fixing my quarterback position as the season goes on.
34:55And you have to go into the season with that as your plan.
34:59So you don't accidentally put yourself in a situation where it's week 11, Joe Flacco is going to be the starter for
35:06the Browns for the rest of the season. And you don't have any money to go and get them because that's the
35:13time where you blow everything because now, you know, you have a starter for the rest of the season.
35:19Yeah, I agree with that. Right. I mean, when you're in a shallower league, the waivers are usually more plentiful and because
35:26of it's a shallower league, people are trying to, you know, roster construct in ways that they can have as few quarterbacks
35:33as possible because they know those roster spots are so precious and that they can use them for, you know, other wide
35:41receivers or tight ends or running backs that kind of fill those flex spots.
35:45So I really agree with that there. But Jose, what about for you, man?
35:50It doesn't matter much. Like does the quality of the quarterback come into play here when you're in a shallower league?
35:56Are you looking for, you know, like a more top tier guy so you can kind of lock in one of those
36:04spots and then, you know, play a little bit more shallower for that, that super flex or QB two spot, or is it just the same approach?
36:12No, I mean, I think overall, it always depends on who your quarterback's two is.
36:17Like if we're talking about the value is king, you don't also want to over index into value because even though it's
36:24super flex and you want four quarterbacks, three quarterbacks, whatever your number that you're going with is at the end of the day, you can only start two.
36:33So if you have like three or four dudes that are, you know, way up in value or two or three guys,
36:41it's like you're, you do end up leaving a guy that's scoring 20 points on the bench.
36:46Like I'm sure there'd be a better use for that roster spot and that value in general.
36:52So I think it all comes down to like how and who the names are, right?
36:57How you feel about them going into the season.
37:00If I feel very secure about my quarterback one, I have a Josh Allen, for example, right?
37:05The rest of the quarterbacks are, I can very much feel okay with them being secure quarterback twos.
37:11And even some of these fringe guys, if we're talking about smaller rosters, I do think that then is that time where
37:18I'm not trying to play the quarterback, the backup quarterback carousel as much.
37:22I'm more trying to like use those rosters bots in other ways, right?
37:27Like if we're talking about it's super flex, but also there's small benches, I'm not trying to hoard those backup quarterbacks as much in that situation.
37:35I'm maybe a more, if I have a JD Daniels, maybe I'm trying to have Mariotta on my bench.
37:41So I don't have to play that. Maybe I'm trying to get in ahead of that.
37:46If somebody's, you know, doesn't value Mariotta, he's sitting on someone's bench and you can go trade for him for, for fab
37:53before the fab suit six happen or fab in like a fourth round pick, like trying to make those moves to insulate yourself.
38:01So the backups you have are for your own team.
38:04Um, I don't mind doing that, follower rosters and I'm definitely, um, adjusting my, my way of handling the quarterback position.
38:11No, I, I think we're, we're hitting the nail on the head here.
38:15And we kind of already talked about how to handle a deep league here, right?
38:20Where you can kind of take a shotgun approach where you have more spots.
38:25You can kind of use those spots to roster or allocate accordingly to those quarterbacks.
38:29So let's just keep moving here. And Kupa, I feel like you've already answered this one in a way, but we're going
38:37to ask it in a different way. And the question here is how much do you value quarterback job security and a dynasty best ball league?
38:45And I guess the question I really want to get more to here is how would you roster construct around one of
38:52these elite QB ones, like a Josh Allen, a Drake may, maybe even if you want to throw like Joe burrow in
38:59there and like a six touchdown, six point touchdown league, something like that.
39:03Like if you have one of those guys on your team, does it change the way that you're approaching this at all?
39:11Or is it just a very similar approach here where you're still trying to get to those four?
39:16Or do you feel like maybe you can get by with a little bit less because you can count on him in that QB one spot so frequently?
39:25When I am looking at a job security, just in general, I absolutely value a quarterback that I am supremely confident will have a job the following year.
39:35If I, and I will also value if I'm rebuilding a round one quarterback, a lot of Ty Simpson who gets drafted.
39:42And I know they are going to have a starting role at some point in their career.
39:47I know for sure that, I mean, it might take them two, three years from Matt Stafford to retire, but somebody like
39:54Ty Simpson, if I'm rebuilding is absolutely somebody that I want.
39:58And, and the reason is quarterback is one of the hardest positions.
40:02And you know, from lineup leagues is one of the hardest positions to get.
40:06If anybody else is looking at their quarterback room and they're sitting there with three, because as we were saying, there's not
40:13even enough quarterbacks for every single team in the league to have three quarterbacks.
40:18It is so hard to pry a quarterback off of another roster.
40:22You usually are having to overpay for them an absurd amount.
40:25And the only way I find that I can realistically get it done is through draft picks.
40:31So I absolutely want the guys that are stable.
40:34If I'm coming out of a startup, I'm always trying to get the people that are stable.
40:39And then if I have a quarterback one, I'm still targeting four, but it might change my, my threshold for, okay, how
40:46badly do I need to make sure that my quarterback four is somebody that is reliable?
40:52And can maybe my quarterback four be more of the waiver wire fodder?
40:56Can it be the, the random Mariota on a couple of weeks and then Joe Flacco on a couple of weeks and,
41:03and then your Brady cook, and then your Chris, a lot of Coon.
41:07And you just jump around between those guys for that quarterback four spot.
41:11But I am always trying to hit four quarterbacks because it's just so hard to get to that in the first place.
41:19Yeah. That makes a ton of sense here. Jose, same question to you, man.
41:23How do you value quarterback job security here? And it does having one of those elite QB ones change how you're constructing your roster around them.
41:31Um, yeah, maybe because I've had Josh Allen and I have him in a lot of fantasy leagues, um, including dynasty best ball ones.
41:39He kind of feels like the only asset, um, you know, and knock on wood, not trying to jinx it, but like
41:46the only quarterback in that tier that you can reliably count on, um, pretty much year in and year out.
41:53I mean, he's probably been the most consistent fantasy asset over the last like five years.
41:58Um, and it's, he's kind of on that Kelsey run where, um, it just, there's no questioning that he's the best quarterback,
42:05whether he has the weapons, whether he doesn't. Um, so I think he's kind of one of the only ones, like if
42:12I have Joe Burrow, even if I have Drake may, like I'm not nearly as confident that I'm always going to get
42:19the QB one play from him or the, the week winning play, uh, from him, right?
42:25Like there's a Joe Burrow can have a year where he throws 50 touchdowns at 5,000 yards and blows, you know, the
42:32QB one numbers by, uh, anybody else by a lot, but that's not something you can really count on.
42:38Um, but, um, like Kupa said, and like I was saying earlier, like if you do have one of those elite assets,
42:45it's just like, um, you know, whether you're using the warp or you're just thinking of it, you know, in a much,
42:52in a more simpler way of like, you know, you only have a certain amount of resources, whether they're, you know, an
42:59almanac, you know, or like beans, like however you want to think about it, you only have a finite amount, right?
43:06Like there's, there is a limit to how much you can have.
43:10If you have, you know, 10 magic beans and Josh Allen, then you don't have as many to go somewhere else.
43:17So you don't want your third or fourth quarterback.
43:20There'll be somebody who's also a lot like, obviously if somehow you can finagle your league and you have Josh Allen and
43:27Joe Burrow, and then like a really solid third quarterback, like, uh, Jared Goff, then of course you want to do that.
43:34But I think the ability to do that in a lot of times is much harder said than done.
43:40And like Kupa said, like most of the time, the only thing people want for quarterbacks, he's either a quarterback back in
43:47return, or they want a draft picks. So it's, it's much harder to do, but yeah, if my quarterback one is very solid, then I'm okay.
43:56The only other situation like that is like, let's say I have three guys that are kind of all in the same level.
44:03Maybe they're not any of them, like the most magnificent, but like if you have a Jared Goff, a Dak Prescott and
44:10like a Trevor Lawrence, then whoever the fourth guy is, I'm much more willing for that to be like a, like, I
44:17don't even know what the Sean Watson, uh, uh, should do or saying there's like that sort of lower level player.
44:24If the three guys that I have, like, um, I'm very confident that if Jared Goff has a dud game, the other
44:31two guys will, you know, I mean, obviously anything can happen and they all line up and they all put up five
44:38points and you know, whatever, but that's more less likely to happen if we're playing the game of chance when we're, um,
44:46you know, talking about, uh, fantasy football. Yeah. When you were talking about magic beans, I just imagined the office episode here
44:53where they're handing out, uh, incentive bonuses and they're putting beans on people's faces.
44:57I imagine that's what you do when you're going through your, your trade block and just 10 beans for Josh Allen.
45:04Exactly. Yeah. I mean, what, you know, what, however you want to quantify the, the values of these players.
45:10I mean, whatever helps you, you know, everybody's a different type of learner here.
45:15So yeah, no beans, uh, definitely beans for me.
45:18Um, I need to give me some more magic beans here.
45:21So before we move on here and get into the tight ends guys, how much do you think the quarterback landscape changes
45:28from this year to next year with this projected strong quarterback class of 2027 coming in?
45:34Do you, I hear a lot going on the airwaves now about going and getting this year's Malik Willis, right?
45:40So like trying to go get a Mac Jones or a similar backup like that, who has shown promise in the past.
45:47And with the idea that they're going to move on next season and get into a job, a starting rotation, I guess
45:54someone similar like that would be like a Kyler Murray, right?
45:58Who's kind of playing for his comeback career here so that he can kind of get a job next year.
46:04Is that kind of playing into any of your guys's, how you're building your rosters this year, especially when we're talking about
46:11job security, or again, are you just valuing these guys a lot lower?
46:16And so maybe they're just not on your teams because of the reason that they may not have that job security going
46:23into next year with such a competitive market and this influx of, of rookie quarterbacks coming in.
46:28Is there any consideration to this? You know, I'm going to call it a phenomenon, but it's probably not appropriately named, but
46:35would you guys give any consideration to that and how you're constructing your, your best ball rosters this year?
46:42Koopa, what do you think, man? If I'm rebuilding, I'm more inclined to have one of those guys.
46:47So it, especially if I'm, if I'm somebody, I know I'm not one of the top teams.
46:53I'm not going to be competing. Like Mac Jones is perfect.
46:56He's a zero every single week. So I don't need to worry about him getting points unless Brock Purdy gets hurt.
47:03And then all of a sudden he's starting people want him and I'm going to get the bonus value of whatever that
47:10team is thinking, okay, I'm going to be able to get Mac Jones.
47:15I'm going to start them for these couple of weeks or potentially the rest of the season.
47:20And then he's going to be worth something come next off season because he's going to go to a team and get a starting job.
47:28I prefer not to bank on. I know next season, Mac Jones is going to go to another team and get a
47:35starting job because who knows what he's going to look like when he plays as a backup in San Francisco.
47:42We've seen it once before, but we've also seen it go horribly wrong for, or for people too.
47:48And when you get to next season, it might be, yeah, he's on a team and he's getting the, the Kirk cousins treatment.
47:55The, he, he gets signed to a team. You're like, man, he's going to be the starting quarterback.
48:01And then they draft a quarterback with first pick overall.
48:04And it's like, well, I know he's not the starting quarterback there come next year.
48:09So, and he might not even be the starting quarterback when you get to playoffs that season, like he might already be replaced.
48:17So now you're scrambling to solve this quarterback problem.
48:19When a year ago you thought you were, you were potentially overpaying a little bit to have it fixed.
48:26So I don't want to be in on those guys on contenders and his rebuilders.
48:30They're my trap pieces. And I've talked about it before in all sorts of places.
48:35I love sending a trap trade where I'm giving somebody, someone that I'm pretty confident that in 90% of scenarios, yeah, you're
48:42winning in the short term, but in the longterm it all falls apart for you.
48:47And so I am those kinds of players are my essentially trap players that I am totally fine sending away because I
48:54think I'm trapping somebody else with a ticking time bomb.
48:58Gotcha. Yeah, no, I love it. Jose, you have anything you want to add on there, man?
49:03Or do you agree with all that? Yeah. I mean, you've activated my trap card basically is what people are saying here.
49:10But in terms of what I think- Xodia, trap cards.
49:14Who are you, Jose? The only time that comes into a huge play is if I'm trying to trade or make that
49:21move, if I can do so for something that I feel more secure.
49:25If Mac Jones is in the similar value bucket as somebody else who I feel more confident in, then I'm definitely just
49:32making that play and letting someone else take that gamble in terms of like, Mac Jones and Matthew Stafford probably aren't valued the same way.
49:40You need somebody a little bit higher than Mac Jones, but a lot of people are out on Stafford and he's more
49:47likely to have a starting job next year than some of these guys like a Malik Willis and stuff like that, right?
49:54I mean, yes, he's very old and all those things, but at the end of the day, like he has the contract and he's going to play.
50:03At least you think so, right? Like, and you know the level that he's going to play at, which is another thing.
50:10It's like, Mac Jones, like Kupa was saying, going to play with the, I don't know, the Browns next year or somewhere like that.
50:18Like who knows how that ends up playing out, right?
50:21So I definitely think there's a way to leverage that and kind of play into people's hopes, especially if like that's what,
50:28I think that's what's good about paying attention to a lot of different, you know, like you said, people out there talking,
50:36like that's what people are saying in season, like, oh, Mac Jones, he's getting all the hype on the podcast.
50:42Like, you know, you can capitalize on that because obviously, you know, other people are also listening to that.
50:48Yeah. A hundred percent. I'm totally there with it.
50:51I heard Scott Connor say recently on one of his Best Ball Dynasty episodes talking about running backs, but he said, I
50:58only care about what these guys can do for me this year.
51:02It's what they're giving me this year in terms of production.
51:06And it was, you know, outside of like the top four running backs, like, or maybe top five, it didn't matter.
51:12Like they were all kind of in the same bucket to him.
51:16It was just, what can you give me this year?
51:20And I'm not banking on you outside of that.
51:23And I feel like that's kind of similar here with quarterback, especially with the way the market values quarterbacks and not our market.
51:30I'm talking about the NFL market where they need them to prove themselves now or very soon, or they're moving on.
51:37We've seen so many guys get cut after getting extended to, uh, you know, being one of them and, you know, we, Deshaun Watson.
51:45And that's why we see all these retread guys kind of come back around.
51:49So like, I feel like it's really like outside of the top 15, top 18 quarterbacks here.
51:55It's just out. You're only buying them for what they can give you this season.
51:59So just allocate those receipt resources accordingly. Everyone out there, make sure if you have those guys beyond the wide receiver, sorry,
52:07beyond quarterback 18, that they're not a concrete plan for you going into future seasons.
52:11Imagine buying Geno Smith last year, going over to the Raiders thinking he's the starting quarterback for the Raiders for the next few years.
52:19And now is Geno Smith even in the league next year?
52:23He's, and he's not on the team that you expect him to be on.
52:27So just some parting thoughts here as we move on from quarterbacks, we're going to take a quick break here and we'll
52:34be back with you guys on the other side to talk about tight ends.
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54:07All right. Welcome back. Let's get right into it, guys.
54:10Kind of a similar formula here. What is your process for evaluating a roster build, particularly for tight ends?
54:16Kupa, I imagine it's going to be a similar answer for you here, and it's going to start off with warp graphs.
54:23But give us your thoughts. For sure. So I mean, I can boil it down to what the warp graph is going
54:30to look like with the various tight end premiums.
54:33When you have a tight end premium, that's like 0.75 or above.
54:37So you got 1.75 PPR for tight ends. The difference between the top tier guys and the lower tier guys is going to be pretty drastic.
54:46And so you need to take that into account of, I cannot punt the top tier of tight ends.
54:52I have to have one of them if I want to be able to keep up with the rest of the league at that position.
55:00It's fine if you're saying, okay, you know what?
55:03I'm going to punt tight end because I'm going to have the strongest running back wide receiver and quarterback groups.
55:09That's fine. We all know that you can have a weak position and still be a top team in the league.
55:16But if you haven't gone into it and said, hey, I'm going to punt tight end and make sure I fill all
55:23the other ones, then you're going to end up being that team that just can't quite get over the hump.
55:30And so I absolutely need to, in a high tight end premium, have one of those top guys.
55:36But if I have no tight end premium, if we're talking like half PPR, there's zero tight end premium whatsoever.
55:42The difference between the number one tight end and like four of the tight ends from tight end 15 through 25 is
55:49so minimal on a week to week basis that I am going to just completely pass on the top tier of tight ends and just go out.
55:58I'm going to be getting myself the Hunter Henry's, the Dalton Schultz's, the Tyler Higby's, like AJ Barner's, like AJ Barner is
56:05even pushing a little bit better than he was previously.
56:08But I'm going to be trying for those players.
56:11And those are going to be what I have on my team is my tight end room.
56:17And I'm just going to get four or five of those guys know that I can match the number one guy on most weeks.
56:25Sure. There's going to be a week that Trey McBride explodes and he gets eight receptions for 120 yards and two touchdowns.
56:32I'm not going to match that out of the guys that I listed, but his average week where he's getting five receptions
56:39for 60 yards, I can get really darn close, maybe within a point or two, almost every single week out of just a stable of tight ends.
56:48Yeah. It's, it's so easy to do right. Frankensteining a tight end.
56:51I think that's why people stream tight ends in, you know, regular season redraft formats.
56:56It's because they know that they can kind of put together a tight end two or tight end three season here.
57:03What about you, Jose? How are you evaluating a roster build for tight ends here coming in?
57:09Yeah. I think even more so than quarterbacks, just because there is such a wide variety of scoring formats and, and tight
57:16end premiums and how much that plays into it.
57:19I completely agree with what Kupa saying. I mean, I think it makes obviously the most sense.
57:24Like we always say, like when you go into the new league, look at that chart, what does that do?
57:31Maybe you haven't played in a full tight end premium point, you know, or maybe in a full point tight end premium
57:38on top of, you know, a full PPR, right?
57:41So now tight ends are getting two points per reception.
57:44Maybe you've never played in a league like that.
57:47And so you're not really aware of what that does to, you know, the scarcity and, and the importance of those kinds
57:54of top end guys in terms of just like an overall tight end build.
57:58If I have one of those guys and I'm really trying to not invest very much into anything else, obviously you want
58:06to have backups and you want to have, you know, people in case you get an injury, but even more so than tight end.
58:13If I have a Trey McBride, you know, Brock Bowers, Tyler Warren, one of those guys, I'm not really trying to have much behind them.
58:21If anything, I'm, I'm mostly trying to pick up all those old crusty guys like Kelsey, even though everybody dislikes him, whatever,
58:29all the things like he continues to get it done.
58:32Mark Andrews from time to time, like you don't need Mark Andrews if you have Brock Bowers, you know, but if Mark
58:39Andrews can fill a week where back Bowers has a bad week or, you know, pop into the flex with a 10
58:46points because it's, you know, this tight end premium or he catches two touchdowns, like whatever, like all those sorts of people,
58:53Schultz, Ferguson, like any of these, you know, real low air and barely tied in one guys.
58:59If I have one of these premier, you know, assets at the position.
59:03Yeah, for sure. If you went into last year's season with Dallas Goddard, Juwan Johnson, and like a, I don't know, a
59:10Dalton Kincaid, all of those guys were pretty low value.
59:13Dalton Kincaid was probably a little more highly valued, maybe like a ninth round startup pick something last year, but those other
59:20guys were, were a lot lower in, in the ADP startups there.
59:24Those guys would have got you 18.2 fantasy points per game last year, putting up 312 in a half point tight end premium, half point PPR league.
59:33And I think that's exactly what we're talking about here is if you can kind of just Frankenstein those guys, you only
59:40needed three tight ends to accomplish that. That would have been, you know, right behind Trey McBride who had like 340 points in that kind of format.
59:49And you only would have needed three bodies to do it.
59:53Obviously you don't know who those three are going to be for the 2026 season.
59:57So you just kind of take your best guess here and roll into it.
60:02But I think that there is probably a little more freedom for that to happen.
60:07Now I'm going to jump down here to this.
60:10How does the trend for the much discussed NFL personnel or formations talking about heavier personnel, 12 personnel, 13 personnel, how does
60:17that change the roster construction for our best ball teams?
60:20And I'll, I'll lead off here saying, I looked at the warp graphs here for the past three years.
60:26And if you look at the gap between tight ends and wide receivers, it's shrinking from 2023 to 2024 to 2025.
60:33So much so to where you're in a full point tight end premium.
60:37Once you get past like wide receiver, 20 tight ends are scoring more points than, than those other wide receivers here, or
60:44they, sorry, they have a higher war than they do their wide receiver counterparts.
60:49I only expect that to kind of continue here.
60:52How are we going to address this and capitalize this?
60:55Or, or if we don't capitalize it in points, maybe we capitalize it on the hype of it.
61:01So Kupa, give me, give me your thoughts here on this personnel trends, how the NFL is going to be changing their offenses.
61:08And what does it mean for, for us in these best ball rosters?
61:13Is there a way that we can kind of capture these points on, on these lower tight ends and just have more
61:20of them versus these high end ones? Yeah. I think that the number two tight ends that we're getting a, out of
61:27a lot of these teams are going to be our replacements for the wide receiver three slash four.
61:33And so a lot of those lower tier wide receivers where we're like hoping that, you know, they're going to, they're going
61:40to have a peak game of four receptions and 60 yards and a touchdown is now going to be what we're hoping
61:47we get out of these second tight ends. And so it's just a changing of who is it that we're actually rostering
61:54at the back end of our rosters. And it's not so much that I think that a lot of those guys are
62:01going to replace the, Oh, I'm building out my tight end room based on making sure that I have, you know, my
62:08Davis Allen's and my Elijah Higgins and my Darnell Washington's and those guys.
62:13But those guys are the ones that I may be relying on to be enough of that stable that I'm reliably filling a flex on a week.
62:21And so the, when you combine that with, okay, I'm have some of these guys with some of these wide receivers, with
62:28some of these other running backs, then all of a sudden, now I have a different look to my team.
62:35And a lot of these tight end twos are guys that you can find on waivers in the off season.
62:41You can take chances on, okay, these, I can rebuild a team to be more competitive without the rest of my league
62:49being aware of what it is that I'm going to do.
62:52And I can get so many of these guys for free to put myself in a position where I'm going to be
62:59getting the points that I need when the season comes.
63:02So is that going to be changing how you're allocating roster spots here when you're building a team?
63:08Are you going to be assigning more of your bench spots for these tight end twos?
63:13Like, are you going to be going after, you know, Charlie Kohler and, and these other backup tight ends that you're talking
63:21about here and, and giving yourself maybe 10 or 12 spots of your 30 man roster to roster these guys.
63:27I'm only going to be doing that in the sense of if it happens that way.
63:32So I hate being very prescriptive of how my roster is going to be as much as let me figure out what
63:39my roster is going to be based on what the league is allowing me to do.
63:45And so if I'm sitting there with a roster and I'm like, man, I really don't like the players that I have in my bench.
63:53I don't see how they're going to have more than a 50% chance of getting one week usable in my lineup this upcoming season.
64:00I'm going to the waiver wire and going, who do I think can potentially get me two or three weeks that they're filling in a flex spot?
64:09And this off season, the answer to a lot of that is a number two tight end on a team.
64:16Mm-hmm it's it. And so that's the kind of guy that I'm pivoting to, but the, the reason that it's nice to
64:23think that way of not being prescriptive and trying to change, Hey, what is the number of tight ends?
64:29I need to adjust that based on the, the, the NFL is when we get to the season and it's going to
64:36happen sometime, probably in the next three to four years.
64:39Oh, all the defenses got really heavy. And so all the teams are going back to 11 personnel.
64:45Well, now I'm not being prescriptive where I'm like, well, in this team, I have 12 tight ends.
64:51That's what I need to do. And instead I'm like, I just need the best flex player.
64:56The best flex player to me is the wide receiver three that is on the, the Atlanta Falcons this week.
65:03All right. That's who I'm getting. And so being able to not force myself into a bucket and just be like, okay,
65:10who am I most confident in that they're going to have a couple of weeks that they have enough snaps.
65:17They have the opportunity to get four. I always say four receptions, 60 yards and a touchdown because that comes out to
65:2416 points in the standard PPR league, 16 points in, in any standard PPR league is almost always a top end flex result.
65:31Yeah. And so I'm aiming for, do I think they can do that?
65:35If so, I want them on my team. If I think that they can do that multiple times, then I definitely want them on my team.
65:44Yeah. Super wise. I love it. I think we can sum that up as just when, when your teammates zig, you want to zag.
65:52That is honestly one of my favorite mottos here to live by and play me any kind of, of dynasty, especially when
65:59it comes, it's one of my favorite things to do when a startup is read the room, figure out what teams are
66:06doing early and plan my draft around countering that meta inside the draft.
66:10And it's, it's a much easier to do than you think it is.
66:14Once you have that knack for it, going back to the original question here, Jose, how is the NFL personnel information trained
66:21trends changing how you're going to be approaching your tight end room for your best ball teams?
66:27Yeah. I mean, I think the NFL is definitely a copycat league.
66:31I mean, we've seen it with these different trends.
66:34We'll see how, if this one sticks because they don't always all stick teams try to do this.
66:40And then it's all of a sudden, like it doesn't work.
66:43They can't find the right tight ends and they go back to what they're known.
66:48Some of them are just like old crusty dudes that don't want to change things up, but we'll see how it goes for now.
66:56It does seem like that's the trend. I think to not hit on too much of the same things that Cooper said,
67:03because I mean, I think they all are pretty logical and make a lot of sense.
67:08I think one thing it could open up is if it sticks for at least a couple of seasons, it would open
67:15up more players to trade, not just more players to pick up and have on the end of your bench.
67:22But if these tight ends end up having a little bit more value, it just adds more pieces to trade, more pieces
67:29to pick up off the wire wire, different construction of rosters.
67:32So I think it's only, it's only a good thing for the NFL.
67:37Like in terms of fantasy stylistically, but I'm still not so confident that it's going to stick for the longterm just because,
67:44you know, it didn't work for the Seahawks doesn't mean it's going to work for everybody else.
67:49But I think it is a breath of fresh air, right?
67:53The tight end, I think for, that's why Trident Premium was invented because the position just seemed to not matter very much whatsoever.
68:00And so, you know, if it's mattering more in the NFL, that means you have to take a note of that when
68:07you're playing fantasy and make it more relevant and adjust to it.
68:11And if you're like one of the people that's up on that and you're first to react and you can be, you
68:18know, the first one on the way required to pick up these guys to get them thrown into trades for the cheap and those sorts of things.
68:27Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. And yeah, I'm with you.
68:31I don't, I don't think it's going to stick here for the longterm.
68:35I would be really surprised. I think Kupa is right on the nose as well when he's saying that the defenses are going to get bigger.
68:44It's just a matter of when, not a matter of if.
68:47So here guys with your roster builds, how does a shallower league affect how you want to build out these tight end rooms versus a deeper league here?
68:56Are you more inclined to index heavier into these elite tight ends here on a, on a shallower build, or maybe you're
69:03just dedicating less roster spots in general to them?
69:06Kupa, give me your thoughts on this, man. Yeah.
69:09I mean, it's still going to come back to warp in terms of, do I want to go for the elite of the elite?
69:17I'm talking the, the Brock Bowers, the Trey McBride, um, even the, like if he was uninjured, like the George Kittle, um,
69:24that those kinds of players is always going to be, do I have the tight end premium to justify the difference in points?
69:32But if I have a really shallow league, I might not be willing to go as deep before I start taking tight ends.
69:39Like I might start with, okay, I need to make sure I get a Jake Ferguson and a Hunter Henry and a
69:46Dalton Schultz just because I need some level of baseline.
69:49I know they aren't going to be straight up zero on any given week, but if I have a league that is
69:57super duper deep and I know that, okay, I just need a couple guys to pop out.
70:02That's where the, the Davis Allen comes in. That's where Elijah Higgins comes in.
70:07Um, that's where Greg Dulcich has kind of taken off in Miami more recently.
70:11So he's not a good name anymore. Um, but it, a Cole commit like guys like that, where there is a clear
70:18roadblock in front of them doing anything that is going to be really high, but there's not a huge roadblock in front
70:25of them being normal for a week or two.
70:28And that's the kind of thing that I'm willing to invest in on.
70:33If we got to the point that I have so many roster spots that I can invest in that.
70:39Yeah. Jose, what about you, man? How are you approaching a shallower build?
70:43Yeah. I mean, I, I think, I mean, I, I mean, this is very too obvious, but I mean, I think there's
70:50no build anywhere, no matter if it's like 10 bench spots that I don't want the elite assets at tight end.
70:57I think it is the most differentiating spot when you are going into any matchup and you have one of these, the
71:04premier top guys, it feels just in a different way.
71:07It gives you a confidence, um, because they're elite, they're league winners, but weak winners, any week, especially if you're going up
71:14against that guy that punted the, you know, and it's starting some of these guys that Cooper is talking about.
71:21Obviously if you built the team in, um, the correct way, like Cooper is talking about, then, you know, you, your wide
71:28receivers and running backs are the way that you're counteracting that.
71:31I think too many people though, sometimes punt tight end this Cooper was saying, and then don't have a plan of where they're making up for that.
71:40Right? Like they're just, Oh, I didn't get any of the top five guys.
71:45So I'm going to punt it, but they're not being intentional with what they're doing, whether the roster size is big or small.
71:52It definitely in small ones, uh, like in smaller leagues, I'm not trying to, um, spend a lot of, of these, um,
71:59stuff pots on these guys now in terms of like how Cooper was saying, it is switching where maybe the backend of
72:06your roster, you can have some more of them if instead of, you know, the wide receiver for like, uh, I don't
72:14know, a Jalen Tolbert from the Cowboys or something, some guy like that, that's like, okay, you're hoping that he has that
72:21magical game and you switch over to the rostering tight ends because they're becoming a little bit more impactful than, then sure.
72:28I could see that, um, trend switching, but I mean, in terms of pure out roster construction, when I'm looking at it,
72:35I don't want to have more than three or four roster tight ends at a time, really in most leagues.
72:41I mean, especially if the benches are short. Okay.
72:44Yeah, no, that makes a ton of sense. While we were talking about this, I came up with another question here and
72:52I'm curious on you guys' thoughts to these, how do you value these young promising tight ends, but they don't have a
72:59clear path to production kind of anywhere in the near future here, right?
73:03I mean, someone we could have called this last year was Ben Sennett, um, or more so.
73:08I think that that guy this year is like a Terrence Ferguson or even like this rookie class is pretty rich with
73:16these tight ends and Raritan, Claire, Delp, Jolie. And then you have these other guys too, that are kind of being thrust
73:23into starting roles, but we don't know for sure that they're going to have them like a Chico Cuonco or a Gunner Helm.
73:30How are you valuing these guys in your builds going into the season?
73:34Are you trying to avoid them because you, because of the ambiguity or are you trying to, uh, target them in, in a selective way?
73:42And if so, what kind of build are you including them in for your best balls?
73:48So Kupa, give me your thoughts on this first man.
73:51They fit a role depending on what, what it is that I'm trying to build.
73:56So like your guys going into the rookies, like your, your, your Raritan, your Claire, your Delp, like those guys clear.
74:02They, they have a problem in front of them for them to being a number one tight end, but I see that
74:10they have a pretty good shot at building into a tight end to roll.
74:14So on a team where I am saying, I'm going to piece together a bunch of tight end twos in order to build out my tight end position.
74:23Maybe I have enough roster spots that I can just roster 12 tight end twos and hope that at least one of them pops on any given week.
74:32Those guys are going to fill some of those tight end two spots for me.
74:37And if they end up doing better, okay, now that can roll into a situation where, well, now I have a tight
74:44end one on a team that I was expecting to only have tight end twos.
74:49So now that means I can cut some of the riffraff that I have of those tight end twos, re rebuild my
74:56team towards leaner at tight end and fill out maybe a wide receiver has fallen apart.
75:01And so I need to roster more wide receivers or quarterback fell apart.
75:06I need more quarterbacks and allow myself to adjust my roster construction based on one of these guys spiking up in value.
75:13But where I'm going to value them right now is what is their role?
75:17And every single one of the guys that you, that you mentioned at the beginning there, it's, they're a tight end two on their team.
75:25I'm going to value them as a tight end two.
75:29And if I get lucky and that they become a tight end one, now I'm going to re-kajigger all of these different
75:36players on my team based on the fact that I now have somebody better than I was expecting.
75:42And that could also just be, Hey, now I just trade them away because I'm comfortable with all the other tight end twos that I have.
75:50And he's got a value spike and I can get better points out of trading them for a different position.
75:57What about you, Jose? Are these guys that you're targeting on your best ball teams?
76:01And do you see things similarly here to Kupa?
76:04Like if you're a contending team or these guys that you're actively targeting, or is it more so like, um, if, if
76:11you, if they hit, then like Kupa saying, then you can kind of build around them when they do hit.
76:18But it, to me, it seems counter counterproductive to kind of roster these guys on a best ball team where you're trying
76:25to contend and making room for them, especially on, you know, a shallower roster here, it might be hard, harder to do.
76:32So give me your thoughts here, Jose, what do you think about this, man?
76:37Yeah. I mean, I think tight end in terms of the NFL is one of the harder positions to predict when someone's
76:44going to break out if they're not coming in as like a bonafide stud.
76:48Like, um, I'm trying to remember when it was one of the last times that we had a player who was not
76:56already known to be the, you know, a top tier talent, um, breakout and kind of, you know, uh, shake up the, the tight end landscape.
77:04I'm having a difficulty remembering one. I, I, I, I, like, I guess even McBride really, I mean, he was not really
77:11expected to do what he did, but kind of came out of nowhere.
77:15Right. Um, I mean, but wasn't he highly drafted and he have a pretty, pretty good college profile.
77:21I know. Keep talking. Probably Laporta is the most recent, I would say that like in terms of our rookie drafts, he was going in the third round.
77:30Okay. So like, I, I just have a hard time trying to make a bet.
77:35Like you, you, like we've been talking about, you only have a finite more, um, at least with my own way of
77:42analyzing and looking at players, I feel like I can spot a wide receiver or running back or, or, you know, a
77:49quarterback, like that's going to have more opportunity or more predictable future than these tight ends.
77:54Obviously, if you have a chance, um, to get them for cheap or thrown in that, you know, albeit, you don't want
78:02to miss out in case, you know, uh, Raritan or Delp or Joy or something or, or the next, you know, crazy, um, tight end breakout.
78:10But, um, in overall, especially as a contender, these are not the type of like dart throws that I want to be
78:17taking, you know, time and, and resources to, to pick up, uh, and roster.
78:22Yeah. I think for me, right. These guys are going to find my way on.
78:27They're going to find their way onto my teams.
78:29If this is a deeper league here, you know, more than 27, like in a, we play in a lot of 30 man leagues, Jose for best ball.
78:39Those are the kinds of teams where these guys are going to find their way on here.
78:44And I'm going to be targeting them when I don't have those elite assets, like Koopa is saying, right?
78:50I, I want a lot of these dart throws on these guys.
78:54I have the roster space to do it right in a start 10.
78:58I only have to allocate or start 11, 22 roster spots for my contending roster, right?
79:04Those are the guys that I'm expecting to fill those roles more.
79:07If I have more players that bleed over those 22 spots.
79:11Awesome. I'm doing great. I'm doing really good. But other than that, I have eight other spots that I can kind of,
79:18I, you know, flex build with, right? And, and if I'm not strong at tight end, these are the kinds of guys
79:25that I kind of want to put on my roster here where I can let them roll into a season, see how they do.
79:33I mean, you can even take them into an off season.
79:37You know, a lot of our best ball leagues expand the rosters in the off season.
79:42So you can kind of get through the rookie draft to see what the summer looks like for these guys.
79:48And then you can make your decisions going into the season.
79:52So yeah, I think we did a really great job here, guys, both on quarterbacks and tight ends.
79:58Are there any final thoughts that haven't been said here on tight ends that you guys want to get out before we start getting into the outro here?
80:07Um, I would say that the fantasy community continues to undervalue cow pits.
80:11So you should go buy cow pits. You're gross.
80:14I hate you. My, my piece of advice is the fantasy community community undervalues basically all tight ends that are not the top two tight ends.
80:22And so you can, if you have any amount of tight end premium, you can oftentimes find point values in just about anywhere up and down the position.
80:31Yeah. A hundred percent. I found too, I'm getting just finishing up a startup draft here.
80:37People as best ball dynasty is becoming more and more popular.
80:40People are becoming very in tune to what a successful team looks like and they're executing their drafts accordingly.
80:46Right? So tearing down trading back is becoming harder and harder to do in these startups.
80:51So I found people still aren't valuing the, the later rounds between, you know, 12 and 15 appropriately.
80:57And there's a lot of production in those rounds, mainly in tight ends too.
81:02If you're in a tight end premium draft, like there's going to be a lot of guys going in that round.
81:09My strategy was because nobody wanted to trade back with me.
81:12Everybody wanted to trade back. So I was trading up, but as I was trading up, I was consolidating and building my
81:19roster strong into these running backs and wide receivers, knowing I was going to punt fully on tight end.
81:25But in these trades where I'm trading for first and second and third round picks and startup drafts, as I'm trading up
81:33for them on the backend, I'm also consolidating my 20th round picks into 15s and my 17s into 14s.
81:39And so the illusion that I'm giving these people is that I'm trading up, but I'm also with a very specific strategy
81:46in mind, consolidating these backend picks so that I can just shotgun approach all these tight ends.
81:51And I can go and get Goddard. I can get Juwan Johnson.
81:55I can go and get Evan Ingram. I can, you know, like I'm just taking all these guys that are going to
82:02score points and I'm just Frankensteining a tight end one onto the team.
82:07So just want to throw that out there. Maybe that's something that you guys can use in your drafts.
82:13If they're, you're drafting with savvy players, I'm zigging when they're zagging.
82:17I'm trying to find ways to outsmart my opponents here.
82:20So take that report back. Let me know how it goes with you guys.
82:24Other than that, let's get out of here, guys.
82:27Koopa, thank you so much for coming on, man.
82:30Really appreciate you coming and spreading your wisdom that you have in the best ball landscape here.
82:36So go ahead and tell everybody here where they can find all of your content and where you're dropping all of your stuff.
82:43Yeah, you can find all my stuff over at southharmonff.com or southharmonfantasyfootball on YouTube.
82:48My ex is at Dynasty Koopa everywhere else. It is Koopa Troopa 8, Blue Sky, Discord, Sleeper, whatever.
82:54Reach out to me on whatever platform you're on.
82:56I don't care. I'm just on as many of them as I can.
83:01Just that way, there's ways for you to contact me.
83:04And so please do reach out if you ever have any questions, anything like that.
83:09I am always open to answering whatever you, the listener, want to talk about.
83:13You're a legend, Koopa. Really appreciate you, bud. And with that, we're going to hit the outro here.
83:19Thank you all for taking time to listen to this.
83:22Again, we are going to be running some best basketball dynasty leagues here going into the end of the month.
83:29So drop a comment if you're interested in that or send us an email at futurefirstpod at gmail.com.
83:35Jose, wrap it up and get us on out of here, bud.
83:39Yeah, again, thank you, Koopa, so much for coming by and doing this with us.
83:43We really appreciate everybody out there that's listening, that's watching.
83:47If you find us through Player Profiler, which we thank for them for hosting us, you can find us wherever you get your podcast from or Future First.
83:56We really appreciate it. We also do roster reviews.
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84:03And yeah, we've been Future First. Thank you, Koopa, again.
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