Davis Mattek - Grinding the Variance: Davis & Liam Argue About Fantasy Football
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2 hr 16 min
Duration
Estimated from transcript
Aug 9, 2026
Published
Sun, August 9, 2026
51
Player insights
39
Players mentioned
Topics
Stefon DiggsD.J. MooreDalton KincaidJosh DownsA.J. BrownKhalil ShakirParker WashingtonBlake CorumBo NixBrandon AiyukBrian RobinsonCaleb WilliamsChristian McCaffreyColston Loveland
Player analysis
Player insights
A.J. Brown
NegativeUsage74:15
The source acknowledges AJ Brown's 2023 season was concerning despite his high yards per route run, but notes it was still significantly more productive than DJ Moore's.
Insight pageBlake Corum
PositiveProjection20:45
The source notes that their quantitative model projects Blake Corum for a significant amount of yards and touchdowns, exceeding initial expectations.
Insight pageBo Nix
PositiveBreakout69:42
The source expresses love for Bo Nix, noting he would have won the FFPC playoff challenge if not for an injury.
Insight pageBrandon Aiyuk
NegativeProjection3:37
The source ranks Brandon Aiyuk around 250-280, noting that while they are holding out hope, he is not an auto-draft candidate at his current market position.
Insight pageBrian Robinson
PositiveValue19:19
The source identifies the Commanders' running back (JCM) as being underpriced by 30 to 40 picks, preferring him significantly over the Vikings' running back options.
Insight pageCaleb Williams
NegativeProjection76:29
The source describes Caleb Williams as a difficult player to evaluate, noting his high-end flashes alongside inconsistent accuracy.
Insight pageChristian McCaffrey
NegativeValue67:54
The source estimates having less than 1% exposure to Christian McCaffrey in low-stakes drafts.
Insight pageColston Loveland
PositiveSleeper78:52
The source is very high on Colston Loveland, noting he is their most drafted player.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
PositiveValue0:07
The source expresses confusion over why DJ Moore is being faded in drafts, noting his consistent ability to make plays during scramble drills, which should translate well to Caleb Williams' playstyle.
Insight pageNegativeBust64:29
Davis Mattek and Liam are fading DJ Moore, with Mattek noting he has had 0% exposure for two years and currently ranks him half a round behind ADP, making him an avoid.
Insight pageNegativeUsage73:50
The source debates DJ Moore's outlook, noting his poor 2023 season but acknowledging his potential for 'giga nuke' games as Josh Allen's WR1 in Buffalo.
Insight pageDalton Kincaid
PositiveValue6:06
The source is heavily invested in Dalton Kincaid, holding approximately 50% exposure because he is drafted about a round cheaper on Underdog compared to other platforms.
Insight pagePositiveProjection38:28
The source likes Dalton Kincaid straight up over Khalil Shakir and believes it is logical to assume he will play, noting this is his healthiest offseason in recent years.
Insight pageNegativeUsage43:22
The source believes the market is likely accurate in projecting Kincaid's playing time because of a chronic knee issue, despite the source's belief that the market is underrating his skill.
Insight pageDaniel Jones
NegativeProjection48:07
Davis Mattek expects Daniel Jones to perform similarly to the four-game stretch after teams figured out the Giants' gimmick offense, noting that while the scheme was simplistic, Jones should be healthy and productive enough.
Insight pageDe'Von Achane
PositiveProjection72:18
The source ranks Devon Achane as a top 12 or 13 running back, expressing a clear preference for him over Saquon Barkley.
Insight pageDerrick Henry
NegativeValue67:54
The source estimates having less than 1% exposure to Derrick Henry in low-stakes drafts.
Insight pageGarrett Wilson
PositiveValue72:27
The source prefers drafting Garrett Wilson over Jaylen Waddle at their respective costs.
Insight pageJa'Marr Chase
NegativeValue80:03
The source is overexposed to Ja'Marr Chase in drafts but notes they are not taking him at the 1.02 spot in this specific draft.
Insight pageJames Cook
PositiveValue50:14
The source suggests James Cook could be a value pick if the Bills' offense remains similar to last year, specifically noting his potential to catch more passes.
Insight pageJameson Williams
PositiveValue72:27
The source prefers drafting Jameson Williams over Jaylen Waddle at their respective costs.
Insight pageJaxon Smith-Njigba
PositiveProjection81:21
The source disagrees with the narrative that Jaxon Smith-Njigba will see reduced usage without Kubiak, remaining bullish on his outlook.
Insight pageJaylen Waddle
NegativeValue68:08
The source dislikes drafting Jaylen Waddle at the 2-3 turn, citing concerns about his Week 17 matchup against the Patriots and noting that his ADP has risen to the 3-4 turn.
Insight pageJoe Burrow
PositiveValue18:26
The source views Joe Burrow as a top-five quarterback and a priority target, specifically wanting exposure to the Bengals' elite offense.
Insight pageJonathan Taylor
PositiveProjection49:00
Davis Mattek views Jonathan Taylor as a high-upside asset, specifically highlighting a potential 40-point game against the Browns' defense, and notes he is the most expensive Colts player to draft.
Insight pageJonathon Brooks
PositiveValue57:21
Davis Mattek identifies Jonathan Brooks as a viable target in the middle rounds alongside Rico Dowdle and Chris Godwin.
Insight pageJosh Downs
PositiveRole48:41
Davis Mattek projects Josh Downs to be the clear number one receiver for the Colts this year, though he clarifies this does not mean he will out-touch Jonathan Taylor.
Insight pageNegativeValue68:41
The source includes Josh Downs among the wide receivers they dislike drafting at the 2-3 turn.
Insight pageNegativeBust70:55
The source labels Josh Downs a 'psyop' from the fantasy football community, arguing that his value relies on extrapolating small sample sizes and that he is over-drafted on Underdog.
Insight pageKenneth Gainwell
PositiveBust54:08
Davis Mattek and Liam are fading Kenny Gainwell, arguing that his usage in a 'scam offense' is unsustainable and that he will likely see a significant drop in target share compared to last year.
Insight pageKenyon Sadiq
PositiveSleeper51:40
The source remains willing to draft Kenyon Sadiq despite his hernia injury, viewing him as a high-upside tight end who should be drafted in the range of Dalton Schultz and Chig Okonkwo.
Insight pageKeon Coleman
NegativeValue77:32
The source mentions Keon Coleman in the context of players who failed to capitalize on the opportunity to be Josh Allen's WR1.
Insight pageKhalil Shakir
NegativeValue38:22
The source expresses skepticism about drafting Khalil Shakir on Underdog, stating it is not a great bet at his current price point.
Insight pageNegativeUsage77:28
The source points to Khalil Shakir's lack of fantasy production as evidence that being Josh Allen's WR1 does not guarantee fantasy success.
Insight pageMalik Nabers
PositiveValue8:22
The source highlights Malik Nabers as a very strong pick, noting he led the NFL in targets per game and target share as a rookie. While the source is not 'jamming' him in every draft, they acknowledge his elite production profile.
Insight pageMike Evans
PositiveValue72:27
The source prefers drafting Mike Evans over Jaylen Waddle at their respective costs.
Insight pageParker Washington
PositiveSleeper51:42
Liam and Davis Mattek are both high on Parker Washington, with Liam noting he has been the only person arguing in favor of him for months and that he is his highest-drafted player.
Insight pagePositiveUsage79:16
The source is bullish on reports that Parker Washington will lead the Jaguars' wide receivers in snaps, a change from his usage last year.
Insight pagePuka Nacua
PositiveValue81:11
The source likes Puka Nacua over Ja'Marr Chase in full PPR redraft formats.
Insight pageRashee Rice
NegativeInjury6:39
The source expresses concern regarding Rashee Rice's health, noting he is rehabilitating from a knee injury and surgical procedure. He has only recently begun participating in 11-on-11 drills, and the source is skeptical of his current status as a fully healthy PPR asset.
Insight pageSam Darnold
NegativeProjection81:58
The source questions if Sam Darnold's performance last year was an unsustainable 'sun run' that won't be replicated.
Insight pageStefon Diggs
PositiveValue2:44
The source is heavily invested in Stefan Diggs, holding 286 teams with an average cost in the 130s. The source believes Diggs is a strong value as a Commander and notes that even in full PPR, his target volume (projected at 112) will make him a productive asset regardless of format.
Insight pagePositiveValue56:13
Liam prefers Stefan Diggs over Josh Downs, citing his preference for established players over Downs at his current ADP.
Insight pageNegativeValue66:43
The source plans to rank Stefan Diggs near Chris Godwin and ahead of Josh Downs, noting that the draft round for these players is generally difficult to navigate.
Insight pageNegativeProjection75:21
The source suggests DJ Moore could potentially score 75% of what Stefon Diggs scored in 2023.
Insight pageTreVeyon Henderson
PositiveRole51:45
Davis Mattek is not concerned about Trevion Henderson's pass protection, noting that reports indicate he is capable of making nice blitz pickups.
Insight pageTrey McBride
PositiveValue6:36
The source considers Trey McBride an elite player and a strong draft target, despite the source's co-host being more skeptical of his value compared to other tight ends.
Insight pageTyler Warren
NegativeValue49:41
Davis Mattek is not drafting much Tyler Warren because he does not view him as functionally different from Harold Fannin, preferring that tier of tight ends.
Insight pageTyreek Hill
NegativeInjury55:07
The source notes conflicting reports regarding Tyreek Hill's health, citing a bullish YouTube video followed by comments about having no power in his leg.
Insight pageZay Flowers
NegativeValue68:08
The source has some exposure to Zay Flowers in round four, though they express skepticism about drafting him at the 2-3 turn.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
0:00Alright boys, it is big eliminator time. Hopefully we are able to pick in the latter half of the draft, hoping we
0:07get an 8, 9 or 10 Liam so that DJ Moore is still on the board.
0:13I'm thinking probably he's gonna go at the 104, 105 in a sharper room when you play up in the stakes that people respect your raises.
0:21So a little bit tough there if you guys want to draft in a big eliminator draft.
0:27$100 to enter only 2,760 participants. I love this structure.
0:30Chess Liam, how are you doing on Wednesday, August 5th, 2026?
0:34It wouldn't be a Liam and Davis stream if Davis didn't big time me.
0:39Hey man, let's stream at 3. Great dude. I'll hold off.
0:42Here we are at 4. Well first off, I told you the second you- What the hell is gold coin?
0:49This is- It's like new, it's like um, YouTube added in like Twitch like currency and to get people to use it,
0:56they have given a bunch of people like free tokens, I believe, to use.
1:01Guys, give me some gold coin later. I don't know what it is but I would like some gold coin.
1:08Yeah. Like it's nonsensical, 10 joules gold coin? What is this?
1:11Yeah, it's like on Twitch I believe it is called Bits.
1:15So I think all users, there you go, my guys see money confirming, everyone got a thousand free joules or gold coins or whatever it is on YouTube.
1:24The world is insane man. The world is going crazy.
1:28Hey, hey, we're to thousand thousand joules. Hey, we're taking it.
1:31We're taking it. We're taking it all. So are you going to be, are you going to max enter this format, buddy?
1:39What is the, oh 10? Oh, for 10, maybe.
1:42I need to- Look, is this live right now or is this a slow?
1:46This is live and I need to shut off my best ball tool.
1:51Karin and Jacob Sanderson are in here with us.
1:54They both, they both told me, they both told me they were going to, I need to shut, I need to turn
2:01off my EPL best ball tool over there. It's going to be thinking our, our EV is cooked in this draft, buddy.
2:08Uh, hook me up with the format real quick.
2:11It's, is it, it's like the old school eliminator, right?
2:15Not head to head. It's correct. It's like six of 12, seven of- Yes.
2:1910 of 12, eight of 10, eight of 10, six of eight, six of eight, four of six, two of four, four
2:27of six, six of eight, four of six, two of four, 18 of 23, four of six, two of four, two of
2:34four, one of three, and then a one- This is a great format to get Luther Burden's 9.9 points a weekend.
2:41Yeah, it is. A great format to swing for median.
2:44Let's talk about some training. First off, Stefan Diggs, my gut reaction.
2:48Whoa, we are in different corners. That was- Add some boxing gloves in the middle, man.
2:54I know you- There we go. There we go.
2:57We're, we're set up. We are on the clock.
3:00Uh, Gibbs is fine. Uh, let's do- Okay, Stefan Diggs.
3:03Jameer Gibbs. My gut reaction is, what's the functional difference between him and Chris Godwin?
3:08And- That was, that was right where I put him, yeah.
3:12Yeah. And so, I have a lot of Stefan Diggs.
3:15Like, I'm 2x the field in most formats. Got a lot in the high stakes.
3:20I still wish I like, just sat down and thought about that.
3:24Like, oh, well, once he signs with the commanders, which has been obvious for months, like ever since Brandon Ayuk went crazy,
3:31um, I'm still- Yeah, we're, we're, I was gonna say, we're going live to Chess Liam, Brandon Ayuk's biggest supporter.
3:38Uh, what, where, where are we at, man? Where are we at with Brandon Ayuk?
3:43I have him ranked at like 250, two, like two, or 280 or something.
3:47Like, I have him ranked, but not like, like you're not gonna auto him.
3:52Um, and I'm holding on hope, but yeah, it's been obvious for a long time Diggs is going to be a commander.
3:59And so, a guy that we should have just been taking in the like, like I should have just ranked him in the hundreds.
4:07Like why, like, why rank him at ADP? You know?
4:11Um, yeah. I've got, I've got 286 Stefan Diggs teams, uh, at an average cost in the 130s.
4:17So I feel pretty good. I like pretty good about that.
4:20I like them better than PPR, but not like, not wildly, you know?
4:25Like this can be kind of a trap where, like, uh, the year that Cup smashed, like that was kind of like a mistake I made.
4:33It's like, oh, I'll get him on DK. You know?
4:37Like he's better on DK. And it's like, well, when dudes go for a thousand and eighty and seven, they're going to both, both formats, you know?
4:46Uh, yes. I mean, because I mean, touchdowns, even, even in full PPR touchdowns end up being a big driver there.
4:53I mean, you will drive micro scoring differences for wide receivers and running backs in full PPR.
4:58Like there, there are guys who are better in that format or guys who can, can help buoy it.
5:05But if Stefan Diggs generates 112 targets this season, uh, you're, you're not going to care that much.
5:11The difference, like, it'll just be either he's, he's quite good or he's not quite good.
5:16Um, so DJ more pull up, pull up the, the one I tweeted today with just a bunch of laughs, because that angle is ridiculous.
5:24Now to be clear, if this was a real NFL game, the safety would have walloped him, right?
5:30Like which no teammate is DJ more has always been kind of good at, at those scrambled drill place.
5:37I don't see why he's a confusing fade to me.
5:40Like, are you, are you, are you saying the entire bills offense is going to be born out of scramble drills?
5:47Cause it doesn't tend to be a lot like that.
5:50A lot of Josh, like Josh, Josh Allen and Diggs had a lot of magic on.
5:56Yeah. So, so, so, so does Caleb Williams? Well, maybe, maybe there's no Colston Loveland, Luther burden, you know, on the, uh,
6:03Hey, I'm, I'm drafting, I'm drafting Kincaid brother. Kincaid's good pick.
6:07I think I didn't know I had this much on underdog, but I think I have like, as he goes, he goes
6:14to like a round cheaper on underdog. So I, I think I have like 50% Kincaid or something.
6:20Uh, all right. We are about to be up at the two, three turn.
6:25Who would you like to select in the big eliminator?
6:28These are egregious ranks. Um, well, these are, these are average draft position.
6:32So, which none have been done. Um, I like Trey McBride.
6:36All right. Well, you spoke too slowly. So we took Rashi rice.
6:40I don't mind him. That's not showing to me.
6:43It's showing that he's still in queue. Uh, it's, it's frozen on double zeros.
6:48Oh, okay. Uh, do we have a, do we have a glitch?
6:52I would throw a player in the queue. Javante's fine, but what do you, what do you want me to, what do you want me to do?
7:01I'm, I'm getting up on dude. I do have my phone out.
7:05Uh, Javante breeze, love Kyron or McBride. You want McBride McBride?
7:08I think McBride is just an elite player. I got it.
7:12Oh, why are you worried? Oh, Charles. Bye. Bye.
7:15Adios. Sayonara brother. Have a good day. There we go.
7:18Uh, I don't know. I don't know what the, I do not know what that was about.
7:24We did get McBride though. I still draft for she rice.
7:28I didn't love, like, I'm not going to base my whole plan off of like one training clamp camp clip.
7:34I did not love that clip though. Like it was a little like, Ooh, that's not, that's not a fully healthy PPR scam guy.
7:42Correct. He is correct. Correct. He isn't fully healthy because he's rehabilitating from a knee injury and a surgical procedure that he had not that long ago.
7:51He, he, today is his first day participating in 11 on 11 drills because he's been leaving training camp after the install period to go rehab his knee.
8:01He's just the only reason he's even there is because they are adding new things to the offense that was not there last year.
8:09Tank Dell as well. Um, but no, I think, yeah, this is basically where I have them ranked neighbors.
8:15I put like just ahead of the Devonta Smith tier.
8:18Oh, where did Nate, where did neighbors go? Didn't go.
8:22Oh my God. Liam, we are so stupid. I saw the name.
8:26I almost floated it to you. Oh, I am not.
8:29I am not doing the, I'm not going to be jamming neighbors.
8:33Oh, in these time box contests and these time box contests, I would rank him like 13 or 14th overall.
8:40I think. Oh, that is, well, this is a format that waits early season production.
8:45People are saying our mics are off. Yeah. I'm going to see, I'm going to edit, I'm going to pull.
8:51I can turn mine up. Do you want me to turn mine up?
8:56No, no. I, I did automatically adjust mic volume for both of us.
9:00Okay. That should be, that should be better. Uh, no, you are, you are very wrong.
9:05Neighbors is not a terrible pick. Neighbors is a very good pick.
9:09Neighbors led the entire national football league in targets per game and target share as a rookie.
9:15He, he is a very, very good pick in fantasy football.
9:19I'm not jamming him. Um, I'll take some, I'm not, I don't have big FOMO about like, Oh my God, fourth round neighbors.
9:26I don't think that's even close to like the most valuable cheap thing we saw in drafts this season.
9:33I have some fourth round neighbors. What, what is the most valuable thing that we've seen comparable to prior instances of guys being great question?
9:41I mean, digs comes to mind. Um, um, Debo's dribbling come to mind.
9:45You could get Jonathan Brooks. Like I have a five, five, five with Jonathan Brooks and like pick one 60 Jalen opened at in the hundreds.
9:54I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and say having the potential number one overall wide receiver in fantasy football is more valuable than, than Jalen Warren.
10:03Well, he, he will not be that he's just, he's just not going to be that.
10:09I mean, he has, he, he has done it.
10:12So he was the number one overall wide receiver.
10:14He was the number two wide receiver and points per game as a rookie points per game.
10:20Okay. So no, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't play week 16 or week 17.
10:25Um, Liam of all, of all people, like truly of all people who like, Mr.
10:30I don't give a shit about anything other than winning.
10:33I just want to have the most points. I don't care about all your fancy, like protecting the zeros.
10:40Like of all people, I thought you would be like, that neighbors is not the key to winning.
10:46Like, that's what I'm telling you. I'm still concerned about the injury.
10:50How could you come on, man? You're concerned. You're just like, like you cannot in one breath be like, yeah, I'm not
10:57swayed by where she writes looking bad. And then the other breath be like Malik neighbors should be going fifth.
11:04Wait, wait, wait, wait. Well, first off, those are very ideologically consistent, but we will, we will come back to that.
11:11Uh, this, Oh my God. T went, what do you want?
11:14What do you want to do here? I like T and Mike.
11:18Um, what is the running back tab? The running back tab is completely dead.
11:23If we don't take Judkins here. No, I don't want Judkins.
11:27I'd go T and Mike personally. Oh, Loveland as well.
11:30We already have McBride. I do it all the time.
11:33Anyways, in the eliminator. That's so bad. That's so bad.
11:37That's gotta be, that's gotta be like that. I have so many teams like that.
11:42Oh my God. This is, we are drafting, we are drafting the 12th place team in our pod right now.
11:48Very, very, very talented players, even though they're tight ends.
11:52I agree. I take tight ends all the time, but you just do it in a format that makes sense.
11:58This is a format where you just need to be top 70 percentage each week.
12:03You don't need to be best. It's almost even better in this.
12:07No, it's, it's, it's definitely, it's definitely worse in this because you're sacrificing your flex scores is so bad.
12:14Uh, when Loveland and McBride both score 17, that's pretty good in the flex.
12:18Well, I mean, yes, Liam, when I, I understand the conceit that if you just project this thing that is not going
12:26to happen to be the thing that happens, yes, your, your teams are going to be good.
12:31Yes or no. Do you think McBride is an elite player?
12:35I think he's okay. I think he, I think he's, I think he's pretty good.
12:40I think he's pretty good. Do you think Colston Loveland is an elite player?
12:45Is he going to be more expensive in drafts next year?
12:48Uh, that's actually a good question. I haven't thought about that.
12:52Obviously. Yes. The thing is, is that I know that burden is going to be more expensive in drafts next year, and he's a better fantasy player.
13:01So no burden is a, he might be more expensive in drafts or he might be Xavier worthy range, you know, like
13:08I don't think what is, what is comparable about worthy and burden?
13:12He might lad McConkie it. He might BTJ it.
13:15He might, you know, he's not the first dude we've gotten excited about on the rookie year.
13:21And by the way, he did way less than those dudes and then just flat out disappointed year too.
13:27Yeah. I mean, I guess just so much of the team level decision-making, like they jettison DJ more, they don't add a receiver in the draft.
13:36They don't add Keenan out, like they don't have Keenan Allen.
13:40Um, they don't ask him to come back. They're not in the sweepstakes for digs or not in the sweepstakes for, for Iuke.
13:47I don't know. It wouldn't, it would be really yesterday.
13:51And I got Colston Loveland for 2,517. I got no, I mean, I'm just very confident that Loveland is like the way to play the bears.
13:59Um, so I don't entertain anything else. Well, there's really, I mean, frankly, there would be no way for Loveland to have
14:07the season that you are projecting without one of Rome or burden being well, like doing out producing their draft slot.
14:14Cause the offense to have a truly legendary tight end season, all the, all the legendary tight end seasons have been on
14:21really good offenses and you don't have a really good offense with only one good pass catcher.
14:27I wouldn't really say like who was, he was awesome down the stretch last year.
14:32And who was the guy you're hanging your hat on?
14:35It was him. Wait, burden was really good. And then he got, he got pulling the coverage.
14:41And that's why Loveland had all these big games.
14:44Okay. Burden just like burden being on the field.
14:47Yeah. Can you move our camera a little like to the middle or something so that I can see when we're actually on the clock?
14:55You know what I mean? Like, can you shift us like, how about that?
15:00Perfect. Although I can't see the team now. All right.
15:03I have no qualms about going Burrow and Hertz.
15:06If you are running back panicked, I mean, we're, we just will not have running back points if we don't take one here, but I don't really care.
15:15I've been, I've been doing a bunch of eliminator slows and I do this, but like, again, you're just trying to jam median.
15:23I like Harvey more than all. Correct. You are, you are trying, you were trying to jam median and we are, have
15:30a very bad median projection on our team. Well, when you just like lock in 25 points a week at QB, then
15:38we can get Kenny Gainwell, we can get JCM.
15:41Like we could have easily gone Hertz, Burrow, Gainwell, JCM.
15:44Why do you, why do you want Burrow on a non T chase team?
15:49Because it's the eliminator. You can't like, okay, I guess maybe this is not what I'm understanding.
15:54You can't throw out like the obvious like parameters of the game for one position, but then say, well, there's very clearly
16:02the parameters of the position is that you should want Joe Burrow non-correlated.
16:06Like either, like it seems like you're, you're, you're, you're doing like half the strategy of a BBM and half the strategy of an eliminator.
16:14Um, no, I think, I mean, I think Hertz and Burrow, like just two elite, you're in two top five QBs.
16:21Right. But you can only use one of those scores per week.
16:25It doesn't matter. I'm just, I'm trying to use one every week and only have two and have other positions.
16:32I wouldn't do it every time. Like more often than not, I'm doing one, but I do it personally.
16:38I, I should, it doesn't, it's not very logically consistent to me because you, you're, you're killing your meat.
16:45You're killing your about like, where's this like BBM because you're killing your median projection by doing that.
16:51You're by, you're decaying your median projection by a lot of points.
16:55You're locking in elite QB points every, every week.
16:58Like that's how you think about it. And I don't think, but you have really poor flex points.
17:03Like our flex is already behind RJ Harvey, Dowdle, Dobbins, Chuba, whatever.
17:07These guys are not drastically different bets than Kenny Gainwell, JCM, pick your favorite running backs, Jonathan Brooks, whatever.
17:14Plus I don't think if we went Loveland or McBride, whatever.
17:17Um, if we went both, like those dudes are probably going to median project similar to Waddle, JMO, the wide receivers going, going there.
17:25Correct. But you only have to start one tight end.
17:29You have to start three wide receivers and you have to utilize three of those scores every week.
17:35You have to. Yeah. And we were going to get digs, Jaden Reed, whatever.
17:39You're a little more rigid with it. Like I think people in the eliminator are just crazy where it's like every draft,
17:47you got to have all these running backs. So if you are at all running back panic inclined, do what Pat's doing here.
17:54Do what the four holes doing here. Like just at all costs, get Jacob.
17:59Jacob is with you saying the raw points matter more and you want them at quarterback or wherever.
18:05Yeah. Yeah. Just like locking in the points, you know, it's like going when, when Bryce Young gives you a, when your
18:12quarterback room is like Bryce Young, Rogers, whatever, and you're only getting in 10 points there.
18:18That's quite bad. Plus I think Burrow are just like it when just zoom out for a second, Hurts and Burrow go here around later.
18:26The quarterback bets are markedly different. The court, the running back bets are not that markedly different than I think they're, I
18:33think they're still, I think there's still two really, really good quarterback uh, bets left on the board.
18:39Now I love Purdy as well. I love, you know, I like, I like Jackson Dart a lot.
18:45Um, but I'm quite confident that Joe Burrow, like what offenses do I want the most in fancy football?
18:52Bengals, Cowboys, easy. Bengals and Cowboys. Yeah. Elite, elite offenses.
18:55I've got to take, got to take Trey, got to take Trey McBride then elite offense.
19:00Trey McBride is an elite player. You're just not respecting him that way.
19:05Like your Bowers love doesn't let you compute that.
19:08I don't like Kyle Monunga at all. I like Kenny Gainwell a lot.
19:12Gainwell is, I mean, he's bad, but he's fine.
19:15Um, do you want it? I would do Purdy or JCM, your choice.
19:19I'll take JCM cause we should recoup some running back points here.
19:23I just checked my exposures. I have 3% Rashad white and like 15% JCM.
19:28There you go. There's a, there's a ball now or JCM JCM is, I mean, he's underpriced by like 30 or 40 picks right now.
19:36The commanders running back. Like I, I way prefer them to the Vikings guys.
19:41I don't, I don't want to be doing that.
19:44The Vikings guys are so interesting because the offense is like clearly structured to run the ball well, but they've been low
19:51on expected fantasy points for running backs because they don't run inside the 10 yard line that often.
19:57And they don't throw to the running back that often either.
20:01So despite being an offense that is above league average and rushing EPA and, and yards per carry, just because of the
20:08KOC run game, the running backs themselves do not score that many fantasy points, which I think is interesting.
20:15I think the only like real vindication to like be like, yes, I want the Vikings running back is they played the jets week 17.
20:23So if you, if you want to be like, okay, they're going to beat the crap out of them.
20:29Okay, fine. That's, that's a good enough reason. And it's, and it's ambiguous.
20:34So one guy could just be the guy you have to have there.
20:38Um, but I way prefer like the upside of Jason, like Kyle Monunga and Blake Corum, of course, Blake Corum is like
20:45an ankle twist away from being awesome, but that has to happen.
20:49You know, my, my, my quantitative has, uh, Blake Corum projected for a lot of yards and touchdowns like way, like way more than I thought he would.
20:59I don't care about Mike Clay's projections at all.
21:02Mike Clay had Mike Williams rejected for 800 yards in June last year before he retired.
21:07Yes. So I mean, no shot. It wasn't that, wasn't that two years ago or was that literally last year?
21:14That was last year. And that's so funny. And you know what?
21:18I'm not pulled it up one time this year because of that.
21:22Like, because he's just straight up not doing that exercise for us, you know, like he, it was, it was not like,
21:29Oh, let's make projections to help me draft best ball teams.
21:33It was, let's just get something out there, you know?
21:36No, you're, you're actually wrong about that. It's done in such a way specifically for Davis Maddie.
21:42No, it's, it's just like normal distributions of what a wide receiver, one wide receiver, two wide receiver, three, et cetera, running
21:49back one, running back two would score in this team's environment.
21:53He controls for quarterback skill pretty well. He doesn't do a ton of attempting to try and, uh, to try and do player level skill that much.
22:02I don't think he's making biggest assumptions too. And he's not that stressed if he's wrong because he's not putting real dollars on it.
22:10Right. Such as Mike Williams, 800 yards and six touchdowns last year.
22:14I wonder, I wonder if, if Mike Clay plays, plays best ball.
22:18It's a good, I should ask him. I should ask him if he worked for the worldwide leader.
22:24I guess, I guess you can. I assume, I assume you can.
22:28Uh, all right, Liam, we are going to be up in two picks.
22:32We have one quarterback, four running backs, three wide receivers, and one tight end.
22:37And let's play game first. Josh Downs or Steph Diggs?
22:40Downs. But that isn't. That's wild. Um, very low on, on downs.
22:44Like I like the player in the past. You, you, you would be, you would be low on downs.
22:50I'm low on downs. I'm low on, you would be, I have less flowers.
22:55I have a less, I just have very little of a lot of players and I'm just jamming other ones.
23:02And it's like one year of best ball. Hey, this is a great format for your guy, Khalil Shakir.
23:08I don't draft him that much. Um, I would do Kincaid.
23:12I would, I would like to take shock and I'm, I'm cool with Kincaid.
23:16By the way, we're on the clock though. Oh, I'm cool.
23:20I'm cool with a, I'd like to take shock and then Kincaid.
23:24Why don't we do Baker? Because we have Kenny Gainwell.
23:27Uh, because both of our quarterbacks would then share a bi-week.
23:31Okay. Let's not do that. Uh, I like Kincaid straight up over Shakir.
23:35I think it's pretty bad, but can I talk you into Concepcion?
23:39No, but do what you want. We're taking, we're taking Shakir.
23:43We're taking Shakir. I can't, I don't think Shakir on underdog is like a great bet at all.
23:49I don't, I don't think he is either, but we have three wide receivers, uh, and two of them are top two share the same bi-week.
23:57I think you should open like teams actually don't feel that bad at all.
24:02When you go Kincaid there, you fit, you finish off your running backs.
24:06Like they don't feel that bad at all where you just like end with wide receivers.
24:12For example, if you did that a month ago, which I do occasionally, like those teams have Debo, they have digs.
24:19Okay. They're not going to have specifically those guys anymore, but they actually don't feel as bad as you would think if
24:26you just like go Kincaid there, go running back at one 44.
24:30And then you just end the draft with all these wide receivers.
24:34I don't, I don't, I don't disagree with you.
24:37Uh, I just like, I think they're, I mean, frankly, you do because you're like, no, I need to check my box.
24:44I have three wide receivers. Like I need my fourth.
24:48It's just that we have already made a huge investment at tight end and we are going to go as far as
24:55Trey McBride can take us at the tight end position.
24:58It's not illegal to have two upside. Like who could be a league winner?
25:03Shakir or Kincaid? You know, the answer to that.
25:06I don't really think either of them can be the only assumption you need for Kincaid is that now is that he plays.
25:14Yeah. And it's quite logical to assume he will because this is the healthiest off season he's had like in recent year.
25:21Right? Yeah. I just, I mean, how long, how long does that last?
25:25Oh, you're injury prone. I mean, I think it's like, I, I like Kincaid more than Kelsey.
25:31He's injured the same knee three times though. It's not injury prone.
25:35It's just that he's, and he's never, he's never had surgery on this knee.
25:40So it's just the same rehabilitated knee injury three.
25:43He's had this knee injury going back to college.
25:46He like, if Kincaid runs 70% plus of routes this season, I completely agree.
25:50I'm surprised. I, I, well, I know I would be surprised.
25:54I, but people are just straight up assuming he's going to be a 50% route.
25:59I, I, Hey, I have Kincaid ranked out of ADP.
26:02I take him. I think that the market is over rating his, I actually think the market is under rating his skill,
26:10but I think they're, they're probably accurate on projecting his playing time because he has this chronic knee issue.
26:16I think everything, I think everything from the bills is super flimsy this year.
26:21People are just very lazy and they are just like, Oh, Joe Brady.
26:25He was under Sean McDermott. Everything will be the same.
26:28Well, it is going to be the same. We do not know that at all.
26:33That's actually a huge assumption that could look silly, especially with the bill schedule where the bills schedule is tough.
26:40Logically, they're probably gonna have to pass more because of that.
26:44Um, and we have no idea what was McDermott and what was Brady.
26:48I don't know. I follow the team very closely.
26:51Well, McDermott wouldn't have, he wouldn't be an offensive.
26:54He's a, he was the defensive coordinator. He's the head coach.
26:58If the head coach says, Hey, we're going to go run the offense through James Cook.
27:03You're going to do that. If you want to work for the head coach, he's, uh, we're, we're, we're about to, we're about to be up.
27:12We're about to be up. I like Shahid and McMillan.
27:15Shahid went. I like McMillan and Omar Cooper, man.
27:18McMillan. McMillan, McMillan or stripling or sorry. Uh, Cooper stripling or Juwan to each other.
27:23I like, I'm going to, I'm actually going to go Cooper because it gives us an out to another stack.
27:30Uh, I, I have a, I have a hard time following that because that would you, that would have to be knowledge
27:37of how the decisions were made inside the building, which we generally don't find out until afterward.
27:43Like there are some coaches that do put their finger on the pulse of like personnel decisions on the offense, even if
27:50that's not their side of the ball. Many coaches do not do that where if they're, I think that's a base, that's a bad base assumption.
27:59Like the NFL is full of people with ego who ran pretty well in life to get, to become a head coach, right?
28:06There's only 32 of them. It's, it's for a lot of them, it's like they're one shot.
28:12And so they're going to run their vision. A lot of them are not going to be like, okay, dude, you do the offense.
28:20I do this. Like he had, every person has an idea of how you should optimize a team.
28:26Right. And McDermott, what did McDermott do? Oh, he went through the table years.
28:31The bills didn't win that. So maybe he's like adult and was just being reactionary there.
28:36We don't really know what the Brady offense, like with him having full control.
28:41Brady also probably knows this is his one shot, right?
28:44And his best shot. So what would you do?
28:47I think Joe Brady's a pretty smart guy. Like, would you, would you trust in Josh Allen?
28:53I probably would. Plus pull up the bill schedule.
28:56If he was, if he was wanting to trust in Josh Allen, then why as the offensive coordinator, did he play so
29:03much like heavy personnel where they were running the ball so much?
29:07It like that's some of that's going to remain because it works and the bills got a great old line and blah, blah, blah.
29:15But again, if the head coach says, Hey, this is how we're going to do things.
29:20Hey, it gets wintry in Buffalo, blah, blah, blah.
29:23Like you do what your head coach wants you to do, or you get fired.
29:28Remember literally a Ken Dorsey got fired for passing too much.
29:32I thought Ken Dorsey got fired because everyone was just sick of how boring.
29:37Like I thought that was, well, I'm actually, maybe I don't remember that.
29:41I thought they were still good. He got fired because it was a philosophy, a philosophical difference with McDermott where Dorsey wanted
29:48to pass and McDermott, but then, but then didn't, didn't Brady, Brady was the one who got hired to run the ball then though.
29:56So I don't, how does that make sense? So, so, so he's the one who got hired for his philosophical bent towards running the ball.
30:05He got hired to do a vision, right? Like if, if I know he got hired to do the vision, but look, maybe the base assumption is correct.
30:14Everything will be the same. Like maybe, maybe the value is James cook because he catches more balls.
30:20All I'm saying is there's a lot more uncertainty with this stuff.
30:24And I could see like you easily in September and other people being like, wow, the bills are passing way more this year or, or whatever.
30:33All right. We're on the clock. What would you like to do here?
30:37I like Flournoy quite a bit. Um, if you want a third quarterback, the time is now.
30:42Yeah, let's do, uh, actually, honestly, do you want Gino or, or Jacoby also tie actually tight end?
30:48Well, fuck it. Whatever. Probably Gino. If we're going to do Gino, I'd be Barner in that group.
30:54Like I like Gadsden, but for the eliminator, he's a little bit tougher, you know, Kenyon Sadiq.
31:00The question of where is he draftable is an insane question to me.
31:04Yeah. I would, I would say round 17, 18.
31:07That's about it. No, it's not that like that is way over reactionary.
31:12Reactionary. He might not even he's, I mean, I guess I've never had a hernia before.
31:17I did a little bit of research on it.
31:20It doesn't sound like something that you bounce right back from and you miss, like he's missing install of the playbook.
31:27So he's going to be, I would prefer that not to be the case, but he should go in this range, like around Schultz, strange chig.
31:36And he's a huge upside. Like, so like, for example, Colston Loveland last year, did not have his first like usable fantasy game until week nine.
31:44And that was with a guy who didn't miss any training camp, but was, was involved from, from day one.
31:51And I think we both would say Kenyon Sadiq, a worse prospect.
31:55I'm pretty sure Loveland was like brought along slowly.
31:58Correct. But he didn't miss, he didn't miss any camp.
32:01Like he was there the whole time he was there for, he was there for the install.
32:07He's not home on the couch. Like he's at the practice.
32:11Is that, is that, I, I do not remember this.
32:14Colston Loveland was pretty sure Loveland was hurt most of camp.
32:18That's just a bad memory on that, I think.
32:21But no, I mean, I will still be drafting Sadiq.
32:24Frankly, I'm just willing to go down with the ship on a tight end drafted 16th overall when the guy who could
32:31bury me is Dalton Schultz at opportunity costs. I see, I see a January 2025 shoulder surgery and a September 2025 minor hip injury.
32:39Oh yeah. He, he was breaking out in that game and then he got hit in the hip again.
32:46Yeah. So I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think it's, I don't think it's one to one.
32:52I could be wrong. I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say the deke in the flagship contest is like brain dead because like,
32:59this is like clear week one brain. Uh, sure.
33:02Yeah. I, I think, I think that, um, I think that Tyreek Hill just went.
33:07Tyreek Hill just went. I think scroll up that dude's team.
33:11He's got Kittle. Let me guess. He's got neighbors on this team.
33:15Yeah. He's got neighbors. Kittle Tyreek. This man, this man is chock full of peptides and is convinced that injuries are conspiracy.
33:22You know, it's funny. I, uh, Tyreek posted a video on his YouTube channel that was like very, very bullish for his return.
33:30And then he went on some podcasts, like literally like three days later and was like, I have no power in my leg.
33:38So I'm like, well, what is the, what is the truth?
33:41Tyreek? Are you, are you healthy or are you, are you not?
33:45Uh, we are up in one pick. Um, I would love to select Pat Frymerth here and then any running back that
33:53you think can get us some points. Probably the running back tab is blue Boyd Ray Davis gone.
33:59Oh, I like all gone. I like Brian Robinson.
34:02Just fine. If you want points early too. Are you good with Frymerth?
34:06Do you want to take one of these other guys?
34:09Um, yeah, he's fine. New Joku is a little bit more upside.
34:13Probably. We recap the squad for us. Uh, all right.
34:17Recapping the team upside. What do you mean? It's just Gadsden's upside.
34:21New Joku's upside. I don't think Charlie Kolar's upside.
34:24Like I think that's, I'm going to stay, stay, stay woke.
34:27Jalen Hurts, Tyler shock, Gino Smith, Jameer Gibbs, RJ Harvey, Kenny Gainwell, JCM, B Rob, Rashi Rice, Tedderoy McMillan, Mike Evans, Kaloshikir,
34:35Jalen McMillan, Omar Cooper, Ryan Flournoy, Trey McBride, Pat Frymerth.
34:38Slow scroll up for me. Let me just wash over these buys real quick.
34:43Uh, we have got two, two joint buys at wide receiver rice and McMillan week five, two joint buys at running back Harvey and Gainwell.
34:51Okay. So yeah, I think we just tack on another running back and wide receiver.
34:56Well, we only have one more pick. I know.
34:59I know. I think we do another running back.
35:02I don't think it really matters, but. Uh, sure.
35:05Yeah. Uh, the running backs are all obviously very bad.
35:08Wide receivers offer more immediate points, but it depends who it is that's available.
35:13Um, who are, who are some of your favorite last round picks now?
35:17Uh, Jacoby Lane, Kayshawn Booty, Zachary Branch, Taequann Thornton.
35:20Do you remember when you laughed at me for drafting Kayshawn Booty a couple of months ago?
35:26Yeah, I'm always, I'm always happy to react to camp news on, on stuff like that.
35:31I think that's, I think that's complicated where it's like, is he being showcased to be traded?
35:37Because it's, it's clearly a psyop to get him traded, right?
35:41Like they're definitely telling reporters like if, like if he's okay, commander seems less likely now.
35:46So then it's like, where would he be traded?
35:49Chiefs? Uh, Raiders. Raiders have no good wide receivers.
35:52That's not what we want if you're drafting Booty.
35:55I would say, you know what? And, and no one wants to mention this, but the, the bears third wide receiver is just a various list of jabronis.
36:04Jaday Walker, Kaleem Freeman, Buzz, and they also drafted Xavier and Thomas, right?
36:09They got guys there. Panthers, Panthers. So they actually can do Tedderoy McMillan in the slot.
36:14Yeah. God, man. Yeah. It turns out the teams that need a Kayshawn Booty are all bad teams because they don't have any good players.
36:22Could still see the chargers 49ers. You could get definitely, definitely not the chargers.
36:27They, they like, uh, what's his name? They like Brandon Thompson 49ers.
36:31Sure. 49ers. Yeah. Click the running back tab for me real quick.
36:35I would be, okay. I was going to say I'd be Kamani Vidal, but he's gone.
36:40I would take P Ryan if you really want early points.
36:44All right. So it would be P Ryan or, uh, wide receiver.
36:48I like, I like Cyrus. Caleb Douglas seems like he might just be playing week one.
36:53I think he is going to play week one, man.
36:57Are we taking one of these dude? This is an August basketball draft, man.
37:01This is where you get to, you get to round 18 and it's just so cooked.
37:07All right. It's up to you, man. All right.
37:10Smosh. I still draft Jordan James, but I don't like him as much in this format.
37:15I mean, Jordan James and Kaelin Black, both being injured is just so classic.
37:20Well, it's good for James that Black also got injured.
37:23I guess, I guess that's true. Yeah. Uh, all right, man.
37:27We drafted Jalen Hurts, Tyler Shuck, Geno Smith, Jameer Gibbs, RJ Harvey, Kenny Gainwell, JCM, B Rob, P Ryan, Rashi Rice, Ted
37:34Arroyd McMillan, Mike Evans, Kalo Shakir, Jalen McMillan, Omar Cooper, Ryan Flournoy, Trey McBride, and Pat Friermuth.
37:39Seems like this team can go 70% each week.
37:42It's not our, it's not our, it's not our best.
37:46The bit I do when I draft my eliminate, the regular eliminator on stream is I pull up the coin flipping app
37:53on Google and I try to guess the head.
37:56And you tried, and you tried it, you try to get it 17 times in a row.
38:02I try to guess, like my record is like eight or something, like just being like heads.
38:07Maybe one time I got like 10 or 12.
38:10I don't know. All right, let's do a, let's do the survival.
38:14Are you going to drafters? Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to, this is going to be like my, this is going
38:22to be like my big project at the end.
38:25So our friends over drafters, Liam, I'm assuming you're drafting in this contest as well.
38:30There is a survival style contest over on drafters.
38:33Uh, actually honestly, kind of similar to the big eliminator where it chops down 25% of the, of the, of the pool every week.
38:41It just is much larger and you get a championship ring for, uh, for first place brother.
38:46What is your, um, fill rate on the flagships?
38:49What like my guess is to win they fill?
38:52No, no, no. You're personal. Like how many bullets do you have in BBM and the, Oh, I think I've got, uh, 30 left.
39:00Uh, yes. Promo code Davis mile high jabroni gets you a 100% deposit bonus.
39:05One, 100% for, I think up to, I don't know how many dollars, but, uh, the reload bonus I texted, uh, Zach
39:12yesterday and he did not respond to me. So, you know what I texted him yesterday, make your draft clocks 20 seconds.
39:20You should do the same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
39:23He asked me, do you think it would be okay to do that mid contest?
39:28And I said, underdog did. So yeah. Well, so you can't, what you do is you, you leave the, you leave the option for, for both.
39:36No, you can't do that. Oh yeah. You can't do it cause it won't fill.
39:41Yeah. It's not, you don't have enough volume to do that.
39:45Yes. Yeah. So it would need to be whatever.
39:48All right, Liam, where do you think digs landing spot settles?
39:52I think he's gonna, uh, be a commander. Um, but he is a commander.
39:56No, where, where, where, where do you, where do you think, where would you, where would you take him?
40:03I'm going to rank him, um, right next to Chris Godwin.
40:06Yeah. Yeah. Like, like one, I'm going to rank him ahead of Josh downs.
40:11That round already sucks. Like once you get past, um, like Jaden Reed, whatever to like pick the player for you.
40:18For some people it's Tucker craft. For some people it's RJ Harvey.
40:22For some people it's, it's whatever. Like, I think it becomes, I still like Harold Fannin a lot, but I don't want 800% Harold Fannin.
40:30And so it's like ahead ahead of, so I was going to say this, I meant to say this ahead of Josh downs.
40:38It's so funny. Cause it's a function of how bad ADP is, but like, I would rather have Josh downs than Stefan
40:45digs, but I would rather have Stefan digs than Corlin Sutton who goes ahead of Josh downs.
40:51Like it's one of those things where the, the ranking, that's going to switch with the blurb about like him maybe being
40:58shadow round, which is not, that's not going to happen.
41:02But, um, I took Josh downs for the first time yesterday, all summer.
41:06Liam, next, next off season, next off season. I'm going to give you my, I'm going to give you my PFF password
41:13and you're going to learn about yards per route run.
41:17And you're going to like, it's going to be drafted Josh downs every year.
41:21And if you want to be generous and just copy and paste all of Michael Pittman onto him, maybe, but I don't
41:29know, not really that afraid of him beating me.
41:32This is going to be Liam. When I, introduce him to advanced metrics, I'm going to give, I'm going to get, I'm going to get Liam.
41:40I'm going to get, I'm going to get Liam with a PFF sub and it's going to be, it's going to be a brand new world.
41:49You should watch my stream yesterday in the middle where I go, I went over my senior thesis research paper that I
41:56wrote in college about predicting the success of wide receivers in the NFL.
42:01We're about to be up in one pick. Um, hoomst would you like to take?
42:06Um, a Monra is probably like the optimal pick in this.
42:09Well, he went Jefferson, Taylor, lamb. I would be Taylor lamb cook.
42:13Jonathan Taylor. Fine by me. Yes. Although Jacob's point is there is no such blurb.
42:18I just fired off a tweet for fun and people took it.
42:22No, no, no. I read it on. I read it online.
42:26That was real. Oh, okay. We have a wager.
42:29I'll go one to one. Hold on. Jacob, Jacob, I'm going to Jacob.
42:33I'm going to send you the stream yard right here.
42:37If you, if you want to hop on favorite thing is us drafting together and then floundering to come up with an
42:44argument and then being like, let's bet a hundred dollars.
42:47Now I, I will, I will legitimately, I will give this to my guy, Michael Josh downs is definitely one of the
42:55candidates of being a, a psyop from big fantasy football because it requires extrapolating small sample size performance to a larger sample.
43:02You know, we, we, we do love yes. Quoting obscure stats to sell us on him.
43:07Then watching him go for four for 60 and zero on Sunday.
43:11Especially on underdog. Like if you have 30% Josh downs on underdog, like self exclude brother.
43:17Like it's half point. Okay. It's half point PPR.
43:20What if he scores a bunch of tuds dude?
43:23Plus there's a, like, I understand the reports have been positive on Daniel Jones, but all right, we are up.
43:29You have the option of Barkley, Walker, H and out of this group.
43:34You, you do not like Devin H and more than Barkley, bro.
43:38You are so full of shit. I think I've clicked say Quan zero times and I have H and ranked 12 or 13.
43:45All right. Well, I gave you, I gave you the last pick.
43:49So I'm going to, I'm going to split the difference and take Ken Walker.
43:54What are you hoping for with Josh downs? You hoping for three and a half touchdowns?
43:59I'm hoping for 87 receptions, uh, a thousand and 84 yards and six touchdowns.
44:04Okay. Well you can hope in your dreams. You're not getting that.
44:08Um, Harbs. Okay. Harbs. First off, first off Harbs, I'm still mad at you for yesterday.
44:13Absolutely. Just shitting on me in, in the big dog.
44:17Um, 30% Josh downs on our dog. Where did your story with Nate and, um, Sammy start?
44:22How did, like, did you guys like, like, like, how did you guys become a unit?
44:27Uh, the, so we all basically, I will actually give like the list, like, like guys.
44:33No, no, I will. Well, kind of. So what happened was, is we all had Nate in particular is a very interesting character to me.
44:41Nate is Nate is a very interesting character. We all were contributing to David kitchen's daily fantasy website.
44:47And basically like we were all available. I've never heard of this.
44:51I actually did not know this existed. We were, we were all available in the evenings to record podcasts for the next
44:58day for NBA and MLB daily fantasy. So like at like nine or 10 o'clock at night, we would be like, this would have been like 2014, 2015.
45:08Damn dude, you've been doing this for a minute.
45:11Like you probably have only been doing content for like a year or two at that point.
45:16Right. Um, I think I did my very first fantasy football article on the internet in 2011.
45:22That's when I graduated college. Wow. What if Josh downs has 120, I was going to say show it to 1500 yards and 15 touchdowns.
45:30What if dude, what if talk to me about Daniel Jones?
45:34Like are, like, are we, what's your vibe on him?
45:37Are you getting last year, Daniel Jones? Are you worried about that?
45:41Like let's, let's start. Um, wait, I must have this on multiple streams.
45:46Why am I hearing an echo? You, you must have, you, you probably have a YouTube window open somewhere.
45:52Oh, this is a disaster. I didn't know. I didn't know.
45:56I didn't know. I didn't know. Such a boomer dude.
45:59Um, I don't think I have, I don't think I have that.
46:03Is it, is it me? I'm hearing it through someone.
46:06It's certainly not me. I just, I muted, I muted you and it, it went away.
46:12All right. I have T ranked the highest here.
46:15It's Liam. Okay. That's fine. I can deal with that.
46:18My, my points are so good. I don't mind hearing them twice.
46:22Um, I think is something I'm doing here that I'm, or is it just my echo or what?
46:28Do you have headphones in? No, you podcast without headphones.
46:31Yeah, that is crazy. I literally have never had headphones.
46:35Davis, is it not driving you crazy as well?
46:38It's not hearing it for me. Like you can hear it's not reverberating.
46:42So it must be from the program with like eight different mic levels.
46:46This is rich as hell. I was going to say, Jacob, it is literally, I don't know what it is about your
46:54setup or your room or whatever, but you can hear I'm not reverberating for Liam right now.
46:59I just turned on my speakers. Is this better?
47:02All right. We're golden. Yeah, we're absolutely golden. We're fucking Matthew golden.
47:06Uh, you're asking me if I think Daniel Jones is going to be good this year.
47:12I think well, no, I mean not like what?
47:15Yeah. What? Like, uh, what are we, what are you expecting there?
47:19I'm expecting Daniel Jones to look like he did for the four games after teams had figured out the gimmick, uh, basically starting from like the Pittsburgh game.
47:28Uh, so I think that like we got away with a lot of very simplistic offense that was pretty easy to figure
47:35out and teams eventually did, but I do think he'll be like healthy enough and productive enough.
47:41Um, mostly I just think Josh Downs is going to be the pretty clear number one for the team this year.
47:48Do not ever mute me again. I'm going to mute you unless you put headphones in.
47:53I'm muting you while Jacob is talking. Uh, so I I'm, I'm Loveland there.
47:58Okay. Um, what was I going to say? What?
48:01Okay. So I don't think people can just copy and paste downs or Pittman stats onto downs because isn't Tyler Warren going to eat this stuff too?
48:10Plus in the flagships, I don't really love the Browns passing, like Colts passing game against the Browns.
48:16I do get that granular. Like that seems more like JT just Brown's defense is horrible.
48:21Yeah. It's going to be JT just nuking it up.
48:25That's the, that's JT's 40 point game. Yeah. I don't, I don't like, I just fundamentally don't believe in caring about week 17 matchups.
48:33It's like 17 weeks in advance. Have fun staying poor dude.
48:36I'm trying to help here. That's, that's just like not a thing that I will ever care about.
48:42Like we, we had the most exciting game of week 17 history was a fucking Jets Browns game.
48:48Like it's fine. It's a super El Nino year.
48:51So like the Browns weather won't even be bad.
48:54I mean, I draft JT. He's the most expensive cold.
48:58That's kind of, I draft JT. I draft Daniel Jones.
49:01I don't take Tyler Warren that much because I don't think he's that like functionally different from Harold Fannin.
49:07Like I like that tier of tight ends way more.
49:11This is actually good for us, Davis, because Jake, but I haven't pod podded this summer.
49:16We haven't at all. I have no idea what you think we can hatch on some takes before we collide before you
49:23to be, to be clear to Josh Williams. When I said, Josh Downs would be the one I obviously didn't mean he
49:31would get more touches than Jonathan Taylor. Yeah. It's pretty clearly not what I'm begging you, bro.
49:36Just for this stream, will you get, will you find some headphones?
49:40I'm begging you. I literally just moved in this place and I have boxes every, okay, actually I can get my air.
49:48It's going to take me a long time guys.
49:51Is it really that bad? It's, it's, it's bad.
49:54And people listen to this as a podcast later there.
49:57This is why now, why don't you just mute when I talk and then unmute when you talk, I'll go find my AirPods and try.
50:05Let me ask my girl. Maybe she's got, who doesn't, who doesn't, who doesn't podcast with headphones.
50:11It's completely, it's completely insane. I don't, you pod with me all the time and I've never, ever had headphones.
50:18I have a, I have a nice, I have a $600 mic with a, with an audio board.
50:24I guess you guys don't believe in Aaron Rodgers, uh, wired headphones.
50:28Do you? No, no, I don't. Well, I guess what I don't understand, I don't know if I do.
50:34I don't, I don't understand why the quality of mic would affect whether the audio comes through Liam's speaker or not.
50:41Oh, please mute him now. He's not even here.
50:44Frankly, I have, I have, uh, I have no idea.
50:47I have no idea. It, it, it, it, it actually could very easily be a stream yard issue.
50:53So, uh, it, you know, whatever, but, uh, we just drafted one of the world's worst, uh, big eliminator team.
51:00So shout out to you guys. I mean, look, anytime, anytime you are forced to take Samaj Pirine in a fantasy football
51:07draft, it doesn't, it doesn't feel that good. Well, the eliminator makes 18 round picks feel so much worse because you, you
51:14kind of lose the ability to dream. Correct. Yes.
51:17You know, I mean, that is, that is something I have anecdotally noticed for a while.
51:23Also, we're just at the time of year where the round 18 picks are, way worse.
51:28Like, because we're, we're starting to, we're starting to get the information that we're going to get in season that, uh, I'm
51:35going to, I'll do a pick that makes Liam happy.
51:39I'll take Parker Washington. Um, Oh, nice fucking pick.
51:42Talk to me, talk to me about Trevion Henderson.
51:45Are you, are, are we like, are we like full red alarm, like scared, scared, scared about, uh, Trevion Henderson and this past protection stuff?
51:53Well, no, um, not at all. Cause like, I feel like it's pretty big.
51:58It's at the very least it should be picked in that he's not going to be playing in past pro situations over Mondray Stevenson.
52:06Um, you also, if you just like do mine the reports on him, you'll get a decent chunk of like notes where
52:13people be like nice blitz pickup by, um, by Trevion Henderson.
52:17Nice, nice blitz pickup by Trevion Henderson. You get that from time to time.
52:21Um, like ultimately I'm not going to need Josh Downs because Parker Washington is I took the wash for you, bro.
52:28I took the wash for you. Hey, that's something we're aligned on Liam.
52:33Like we, we, we go in and out. Like I'm the only guy now Davis is caving, but I've been the only
52:40guy on ship chasing, arguing in favor of Parker Washington for like five months.
52:45It's he's my highest drafted player. Why do I still hear an echo?
52:49What is happening? I'm not, I'm not connected yet.
52:52Give me a second. Oh, that's fine. Um, Jacob, I, I didn't know how to interpret your gain.
52:58Well, your, or your like Grinch face. Was that pro gain?
53:02Well, or pro Bucky? No, definitely pro Bucky. That's what I thought it was.
53:06Gain. Well is one of my highest drafted running backs.
53:10Yeah. That's unfortunate. I like, I can't look Liam.
53:13I can't, I can't draft Josh Downs. Oh, here we go.
53:16Zach must be watching because he said the reload bonus is live Davis 10 for a 10% reload bonus on drafters.
53:23There you go. What the hell Zach dude? I want, there you go.
53:28There you go. No more. No, people are saying no more echo.
53:32So we're locked in. How about this? If you guys, if you guys both hang around to the end of it, I'll do.
53:39So I don't need these at all. Well, you're fine.
53:43No, it's no, it's echoing. Put them back in, put them back in.
53:47Get your fucking substation in your ears. Get the substation and I'll do a, I'll toss in after, after this one.
53:54Do you guys want to hang around? I'll, I'll, I'll, uh, I'll do a big dog.
53:59I'll toss a big dog in. Hell yeah. Oh, hell yeah.
54:03All right. Wait. So why don't you guys want to be in on PPR scam?
54:08Kenny Gain. Well, like we don't have to know when the point because underdog is a 0.5 PPR website.
54:14I can just draft starting running backs after him.
54:17Yeah. I can take JCM. There's yeah. Like the, the starting running back on the Washington commanders, which I'm not sure exactly who it is.
54:26The number one person to blame about this room with us and I'm not pointing any fingers, but I'm pointing fingers.
54:33That's look like, that's fine. All, all I've said the entire off season is that the Washington commanders running backs are brutally mispriced.
54:40And when I was drafting all Rashad white, he went around after JCM and then someone flipped their ADPs.
54:47It may or may not have been me. And since that time I've drafted way more JCM.
54:52I love both of these guys. And like the 42% Rashad white thing was such a meme that I, I know that
55:00like, there are going to be people in my mentions making fun of me when JCM's no, no, no, despite me having like 19% exposure.
55:08You, you are the reason why tinfoil hat people exist because they're like touts man.
55:13They move the prices and then they secretly draft.
55:16Like even if you explicitly stated that I can't get these headphones figured out.
55:21I'm sorry, guys. Okay. All right, guys, we are going to do chat.
55:25Doesn't seem to hear it or at least 80% of the chat doesn't seem to hear it.
55:31So here's, here's the deal boys. This is the giveaway.
55:34We're going to do it. You guys have to type in respect my goat.
55:39Uh, and then we are going to do a drone.
55:42So you have to type in, how do you do it?
55:46I, well, okay. I, you have a way better system.
55:49Actually. I just throw on a 15 second timer and then I tell the people to spam their username.
55:55And at the end of the timer, I highlight the bottom one.
55:59All right. Everyone has to type respect my goat.
56:02Liam, we are on the clock. We have Jaden Daniels, Jonathan Taylor, Ken Walker T against Ladd McConkie and Parker Washington.
56:09What's life like to knock on Josh Downs here every time?
56:13Stefan Diggs? Stefan Diggs, dude. We got Jaden. No, no.
56:16That, you know what? You know what, Liam? You know what, Liam?
56:20I don't care. Fine. Fine. You, you just need to go.
56:24Uh, I'm a Diggs over Downs. Where are you at on that, Sanderson?
56:28Like Josh Downs is the best pick in, on the board by like so many rounds.
56:34Like you just said that you've liked this guy in the past.
56:38He's the only issue he's had in his career is rouse.
56:41That issue is finally no longer an issue. And now you're out?
56:45Like that doesn't make any sense. I am a price guy, not a player guy.
56:50And when he goes next to Jaden Reed, that doesn't feel so great to me.
56:55Wait. So you want to take, so there's two really talented players who have the same fundamental issue, which is routes.
57:02And one of them is in line to run every route.
57:06And the other one is in line to keep the same route limited role.
57:11He's always been in. And you want one of them when he hits, I think is going to be.
57:17Are you good? Are you good with Jonathan Brooks right here?
57:21I would be Rico or Godwin or Brooks. Yeah.
57:24All right. We'll take Rico. All right. Everyone, uh, one game.
57:27No one picks 77. His ADP in drafters is in the eighties.
57:31Someone, someone heard you. Someone heard you say it.
57:34All right. Give me, give me, uh, all right guys, two minutes for 4 0 8 PM.
57:40I'm going to click the choose a winner button.
57:43So respect my goat for, for two more minutes.
57:46And that'll teach people to respect chess. Lame gain.
57:49Well, gain. Well is a classic feels good in, in August pick.
57:53And then the game start and you're like, dude, I just drafted fricking Samaj P Ryan in, in the seventies.
57:59It is the most Samaj P Ryan on the Denver Broncos I've ever seen where it's like a guy who's been a nothing burger.
58:07His whole career flashes for one season in a scam offense in the most unsustainable way imaginable.
58:13And now everyone's pretending he's good at football and he's not, I agree with that.
58:18Their plan is to use Kenny Gainwell. They're going to realize really quickly.
58:22That's a stupid plan. And then they're just going to use their good players instead.
58:27My take is, although I was quite shocked with what Kenny Gainwell did last year, you do not go out and sign him.
58:35If you do not plan to use him somewhat similarly, I think they plan to use him a lot.
58:41I think that they will eventually realize that that's a bad plan.
58:45I don't really think so. They got an elite O-line.
58:49I like it. And don't get, this is not like a negative Bucky.
58:53But Baker is not going to be the same check down Charlie that Rogers is.
58:58Like he'll throw to the running backs, but it's not going to be 40% of his aimed passes.
59:04He might, he, he might like, you know, McMillan going deep, Godwin across the middle, check down to Gainwell.
59:10You have, you, you, you have Igbuka, Godwin and McMillan, and 40% of your passes are going to be aimed to your two running backs.
59:19I'm calling Cap. He's not going to be to a Rogers degree, but yeah, I'm drafting Dowdle, Warren, Gainwell, being like two
59:26of these dudes are probably going to be the same.
59:29Gainwell had like, he legitimately, he legitimately had like an 18% target share last year.
59:34It's going to be like an 8% target share this year.
59:38You guys don't remember that London game where he was like the best player on the field?
59:44Yes, yes, I do. He looked good and it was shocking, but like I, I didn't like, remember that game guys.
59:51Okay, but like history is littered with guys who like come in and randomly pop in their fifth year and then go back.
59:58Like Damien Williams also looked like the greatest player in the world for a month.
60:03And like, then he didn't anymore. All right. 408.
60:06Choose a winner. Howland X following status unknown one user entry.
60:10Howland message me or, or, or message, I guess, message the drafters account.
60:14Oh, is that Howland? Is that, is that my, the goat of five for five?
60:19Yeah, it is. He's always, he like had to make us change the rules to our trivia game because he's so good at it.
60:27Probably because he cheats on Google. All right, there you go.
60:31One, one, one survival ticket for, for Howland X.
60:34I was at a bar trivia the other day and I almost threw hands because it's, you know, like it's a bunch
60:41of old heads and it's music trivia. And this girl blankingly Googles the answer and runs up there.
60:47No, dude, that, that, that is, that is jail.
60:50That's jail. I saw her again there the next week.
60:54Just glared her down. I was like, I wanted to Google it and then give the prize away to someone else.
61:01You know? Let's talk about Alec Pierce because I've been drafting him a lot.
61:05I don't, I can take him as we take Patrick Mahomes.
61:09I mean, that makes sense if you're, I think it makes, it makes sense to play week one.
61:15If you're, if you're in on, if you're out on downs, it makes sense to be in on Pierce.
61:21I like Pierce way more than downs. Like, yeah, I think that's crazy.
61:26In one sentence, you can't be like, eh, gain well, better on PPR, but then also be like.
61:32No, I didn't say better on PPR. I said better on someone else's team.
61:36Oh God, man. Davis was the one trying to like format.
61:40I believe in things. I don't take gain well anywhere, any format.
61:44Not for me. Davis, this is why I have people spam their username and then I just DM the drafters account.
61:51Okay. Well, the draft, Zach is in the chat and he said, hit me up.
61:56Yeah, you're giving them extra leg, extra steps here, man.
61:59You'll never, you'll never learn ball, man. You'll never learn ball.
62:03I'm, I'm literally telling them to respect you and you're mad at me.
62:07I'm saying respect my goat. He put his username in the chat.
62:11He said HM 14 TW. Simple process, brother. Look here, here's the, if you want to get into like the weeds, you, you got to go on.
62:20Oh, JCM. JCM. I think Downs should be going amongst the like Matthew Golden, worthy, these types of guys.
62:27Well, he is going, he's going like four. Worthier Kincaid.
62:30Probably JK Dobbins in this format. You're, you're, you're, you're with one of the greatest JK Dobbins truthers of our age right below you.
62:38This man, this man believes in, and actually I was going to say this man doesn't believe in many things, but Jacob
62:45actually has a lot of big ideological. I believe in a lot.
62:49I have so much Harvey. I have a ton of Harvey.
62:53I have way more Harvey than Dobbins. I just, I believe in the Denver Broncos backfield, but I like, I think they're all have cases.
63:01Harvey's the one I take most often. I think Bo is also probably just not going to be as mobile this year
63:09and he's going to be checking it down to Harvey more.
63:12Like they're going to look at that Rogers offense and be like, okay, start of the year.
63:18Let's let's you're going to be gain. Well here, Harvey.
63:21I don't, I mean, that's kind of the role.
63:24That's kind of the role he was used in.
63:27Anyways, I remain. I haven't drafted almost at all.
63:30I'm with two guys who draft 0% of so many guys.
63:34Well, yeah. If I was to play the game of guess who I haven't.
63:39Okay. That's fucking stupid. Like good luck being poor this year.
63:42It's just, yeah, Liam. That is, I feel my line, Jacob.
63:46That is a good thing. You want a lot of money.
63:50Cause I have, I don't even know why we're discussing other.
63:53I have some waddle teams going around five at the end of round five.
63:58You guys are just not waving Bo Nix, breaking every ligament in his leg.
64:03We in the, he's already clear. He's already at camp.
64:06He's like fine. You know who else is at camp?
64:09Rogers off the Achilles. Like these guys just, they, they, we all knew Aaron Rogers was lying.
64:15Come on. Rogers was like 40. Yeah. Bo Nix is actually five years older than his.
64:20Wow. All of a sudden someone, someone believes in the spreadsheets.
64:24All of a sudden sus. My guy sauce is deep in the spreadsheets.
64:28It's always great when someone adds objectively, like we're all just like firing off takes and it's like, look, you guys subjectively
64:36are wrong, but I objectively am correct. How many points is waddle going to score when he's locked down by 300, 300 points.
64:43Zero. Because he's never going to see Christian Gonzalez.
64:46Cause he's going to play slot flanker and Cortland Sutton is going to get Gonzalez.
64:51They're going to, they're going to get free releases.
64:54Every single play. Okay, fine. Then while I was getting double teamed, how are you going to double team a guy who's constantly in motion?
65:02He's going to be in, he's going to be unguardable.
65:06He's moving all around the formation. Why would we draft the Broncos wide receiver one over the bills?
65:12Wide receiver one. Uh, because the bills wide receiver one, um, is available in like the one 20.
65:18So you can just get them later. Oh my God.
65:21But you admit that you guys both need to admit right now.
65:25The heat on the DJ more fade is feeling a little hotter.
65:29So it's, it's feel I I've never, I've never felt Liam.
65:33Like why would I like, you have to realize like, I've had 0% of DJ more.
65:38I've had 0% of DJ more for two consecutive years been unequivocally correct about that for two consecutive years.
65:44Why would I be scared now? You know, you know, who's really going to feel the pain.
65:50You know, who's the number one DJ more believer actually for like a long time now.
65:55Cause I've been, I've been very underweight more as well.
65:59This guy up here, Davis couldn't Davis probably. Oh, Davis is going to feel like a massive, massive bonehead.
66:05If DJ more hits this year and he's just like jumping off DJ more when he goes to Josh Allen and it's
66:12not even just like the, the highlight of him torching the secondary it's every beat is like, this dude does not look washed at all.
66:21Oh, Hey, guess what? Liam, when you spend your time watching Khalil Shakir and Keon Coleman and McCall Hardman, I bet, I bet DJ more's wash.
66:29I bet DJ more's wash carcass does probably look pretty good to them.
66:34Who do you want to take here? Chess, Liam.
66:37Debo. Fine. Fine with me. Um, I mean, DJ more is DJ more is not that good anymore.
66:43He could score 10 touchdowns, not being good though.
66:46Like I feel way like I'm not taking him, but this is like ideologically one thing.
66:51Liam and I agree in is like believing in things.
66:54So I don't take half the players in the player pool, but I, um, I feel way less passionately that DJ more
67:02is a terrible pick this year than I did last year.
67:05Last year. I thought he was the worst pick on the board and was legitimately four rounds overpriced.
67:11I, I, this year I have him like a half around behind ADP, which is enough for me to never take them,
67:19but I don't feel it ideologically opposed. I don't get it in best ball where it's like, we're kind of taking Christian Watson for somewhat similar.
67:27Like we, Christian Watson showed more last year, but like we're kind of, we're drafting him for big games.
67:34Like DJ more is going to give you some big games this year.
67:38Healthy, right? Like he just, probably not. He's going to have no games above 10 points.
67:43Well, I think he'll have like a game above 10 points.
67:47Yeah. I think we have a slightly higher bar for around five pick than can you get one game above 10 players?
67:54I would estimate I have less than 1% of CMC sake one Derek Henry, um, in the low stakes Hampton, AJ Brown neighbors at his current price.
68:03But in round four, I got some teams. Bree, some probably light on.
68:08I got some Zay flowers, waddle lad cam. Scatterby of zero.
68:11Do you sort by reverse yards per run when you rank?
68:15First of all, like it feels ideological. Literally every single good receiver.
68:19You're just like, nah, wait, most of those guys I named DJ more was the 46th highest scoring player, uh, it's just
68:26like the position of fantasy football last year. It just, it seems like I'm actually like, I said, I asked it in
68:34a troll way, but I would like to rephrase it in an earnest way, which is that there seems to be a
68:41very common thread among some of the wide receivers that you dislike Jalen waddle, Zay flowers, Josh downs.
68:47Like all of these guys are like, I like Zay.
68:50I just don't like two, three turns A. You have no interest in them.
68:55I don't like two, three turns A. I can thank you guys for pushing waddle up to the three, four turn.
69:02Um, cause I just, I don't like that week 17 game at all.
69:06Who do they play? New England. That's like one of the worst ones.
69:11Why is that a bad one? They play a really good offense in a game that might decide the one seed in the AFC.
69:19Pick a player. 17, 14 in the snow, dude.
69:22It's a super El Nino year, buddy. There's not going to be any snow.
69:26No, there's going to be a lot of snow.
69:29No, it's going to be a lot of rain, but there's not going to be any snow.
69:35It's not going to be cold enough anywhere. Bo Nix in the rain.
69:39That's what you want to have your hat on?
69:42Um, yeah, I, I love Bo Nix and he would have won me the fucking FFPC playoff challenge if he didn't get hurt.
69:50Hmm. Well, it's true. Liam, Liam just heard after beating the shit out of your sorry ass team.
69:56I do. That was an all time. Liam of being like, people thought the Jaguars were going to win and then they lost the bone.
70:04The Jaguars were the second best AFC team last year.
70:08I think still. And you think that the bills were the best in this world?
70:13Yes, obviously. Look, it's maybe, maybe one year. If the bills are the best team in the AFC, they'll win the AFC just once.
70:21This is the year, man. DJ. Cause it's remarkable.
70:24This is the year. It is. You got to admit, like it's one of the most impressive streaks in the history of
70:31sports that the bills have been the best team in the AFC for six straight years with zero AFC titles.
70:38That happens all the time. Dan Marino and the dolphins.
70:41You're just, you're just too young. You don't, you don't remember like the cyclical nature.
70:46And really. I just know that not a single time after the Colts flamed out in the playoffs was I like, we were the best team this year.
70:55Yeah. Because who were your quarterbacks, dude? Peyton Manning.
70:58Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning. Ever heard of him? He's not Josh Allen.
71:02I was going to say that's actually a very good comp.
71:06Peyton Manning and Josh Allen. Yeah. That's. Yeah. Who were your quarterbacks about Peyton Manning?
71:11Is it? I thought you were talking about recently.
71:14No. Curtis Painter, Jacoby Brissett. I do think the NFL playoffs is like, I think the way casual people view it is
71:21like whoever won the Superbowl was always the best team that year.
71:25And there is way more rock, paper, scissors, randomness in the actual NFL playoffs.
71:30If there's always rock, paper, scissors, randomness, then why does Mahomes always win?
71:34Same thing with Brady. Like, yeah. Like some of these teams, like.
71:38Well, maybe, maybe, maybe some guys could put their thumb on the scale.
71:42I used to be a Bills supporter when I thought that they were like a smart team.
71:48I think that the Bills actually have a lot in common with my most beloved team, which is the Toronto Maple Leafs,
71:55in that they were at one time a smart and talented team who failed, learned the wrong lessons from their failure, and
72:03then just like chose to be doltish repeatedly. We just lost half our viewers on the hockey reference.
72:09Jacoby or Gino, Liam? Oh, never mind. Gino went.
72:12Whoever has a lower yards for a route run.
72:15I like how Davis is just making the picks and we're just chatting.
72:19That's fine. Hey, we're, we're, we're, we're vibing. We're, we're about to do a $500 team.
72:24And oh yeah, that's right. Like if Joe Brady surprises me by the way, and he comes out.
72:30Jacob, I wanted to talk to you about this because I said this to Davis.
72:35Oh, I think Joe Brady is a total moron.
72:38I think that's big time wrong. And probably also one of the reasons why, like, have you ever had a negative take
72:46about any bill in the history of your life?
72:49Yeah. The, you know who the guy who'd have a negative take about it's probably McDermott where, and this is true.
72:56Look up the starting bills defense last year. Like nine of those dudes are out of the league right now, like unsigned, you know?
73:04And I think people are just copying and pasting last year because they're like, oh, Brady's the same.
73:10It's going to be the same. We have no clue about that.
73:14This could be way different. Plus Davis refuses to pull up the bill schedule, but I'll just read it.
73:20Like these do not profile as you are. You are definitely right that I refuse to pull up the bill schedule.
73:27This is a micro edge that most people don't consider lions chargers, pats, rams, ravens chief or just listing to you packers, bears, Broncos.
73:35Like what am I supposed to be taking away from this?
73:39Liam? I know nothing about these teams. It's not that they're not playing the jets every week.
73:44The best thing about Liam is he, he will use literally the same evidence for different cases, whenever he wishes.
73:51So like literally five minutes ago, we can't draft Jalen Waddle because they play the Patriots five minutes later.
73:57You have to be on the bills. They play the Patriots.
74:01They play the Patriots twice. Well, the bill's offense is way better than the team.
74:06They just lost to it. Playoffs. As a big fan of the possession arrow, the possession arrow is squarely in my camp
74:13with some of the takes you made us do last year on our main event.
74:18You ixnayed me on Judkins. You ixnayed me on Jalen Warren or Tyler Warren.
74:23So, you know, argue with the minutiae. I'm just, I'm just telling you what's going to happen here, folks.
74:29And all right. Uh, I am going to go sit in.
74:33No, here's what I'll say about Waddle. Like this is tell your friends, tell your friends and all your discord.
74:40Do your friends include me and Liam? Should we get in this?
74:44Uh, if you, if you want, I don't care.
74:47Absolutely not when Davis is going to float the equity.
74:50Yeah. I, I, this is this one, this one.
74:53Equity to us. All right. Yes. This one, this one is, is site credits, site credit.
74:58So here's what I would say. Like year after year, this is an edge where a lot of these wide receiver bets are similar.
75:06And we simply choose some of the guys to go in the second round and at the two, three turn.
75:13And like some years we choose T Higgins to go at the four or five.
75:18Some years we choose Devonta Smith to go on the fifth.
75:22Last year we chose a Lave to go in the, like, that's why a Lave was my highest.
75:28That was ridiculous. Yeah. So Waddle is somewhat similar.
75:31Like he would, he was the same thing when he was going in the fifth at the end of the fifth, but
75:38now he is going at the three, four. So like now you're paying for that.
75:43Like, and I'm just, wait, he should be going at the two, three.
75:47No, like I like Jameson Williams more. I like Mike Evans more.
75:51I like Garrett Wilson more. I like DJ more, more.
75:55I'm simply going to go down with Josh Allen's wide receiver one who they like handpicked and is getting buzz over hand,
76:02hand, handpicked in that he was available. He was a man who was available.
76:07You were like, would anyone like this guy? You were the guys laughing at the contract, which is now like a giga
76:14deal compared to Alec Pierce, Romeo dogs. The DJ flower is half a billion.
76:19The DJ more contract is a giga deal. And I mean, of course the bills had to do this.
76:25Like it would have been malpractice to not go get a guy.
76:29They could have done any. They could have. They definitely had to get a guy.
76:34They could have gotten Debo Samuel. They could have gotten anyone else.
76:38No, you do not put your chips in on Debo Samuel.
76:42Like that's not what. No, well, that's not what the bills need.
76:46You don't put your chips in on Debo. They should have gotten Jalen Waddle.
76:50That's what they should have gotten. Yeah, they should have gotten Jalen Waddle.
76:55We never knew. Like people. This also tilts me.
76:58People just like run with these reports as if they're fact.
77:01Like, oh yeah. The dolphins would. Maybe the dolphins.
77:04Well, no. Look bad. Well, all right. But whatever the what we do know is this.
77:10The bills were willing to trade for a receiver.
77:13The dolphins are willing to sell Jalen Waddle. Maybe they would have had to pay slightly.
77:18Maybe they would have had to pay a little bit of a tax on the Broncos.
77:23No, but like the dolphins owner said, fuck. No, I'm not doing that.
77:28If you're the owners have the biggest ego in the world.
77:31All right. How about AJ Brown? They could have gotten AJ Brown.
77:35He might. You know what? DJ. He probably. He probably.
77:39That's not that crazy. My goat. If you guys do not respect my goat.
77:43Enough. The duo. Look, AJ Brown. You just like.
77:46You just don't care that DJ Moore has been like.
77:50Okay. Yeah. AJ Brown was concerning in that he had still.
77:53He's like easily over two yards per run, which was like.
77:57Point. It was concerning as a big AJ Brown believer.
78:00And I'm willing to not wave that a little bit.
78:04I agree that AJ Brown season was concerning. His concerning season was like literally twice as productive as DJ Moore's season last year.
78:11And that would be a great point. If he did not land with Buffalo, where it's like.
78:17Sorry. I didn't know Buffalo had restorative powers. What percentage of Stefan Diggs.
78:21Didn't work for Amari Cooper. I think if you are trying to be disingenuous to DJ Moore's ability right now, which I
78:28think we can also assume he was dogging the season a little bit.
78:33Yeah. You're being disingenuous to suggest he can play football.
78:36That's what I'm talking about. But you can probably say he'll be 75% of Stefan Diggs.
78:41I mean. Like currently. It doesn't really look like a guy I would want my team to be involved.
78:48I do think he could score 75% of what Stefan Diggs scores in 2026.
78:52It would surprise me 0%. Like I think you guys would be surprised by this, but me, no age Josh Allen plus
79:00DJ Moore versus AJ Brown and Drake may, which stack will have a higher advance rate.
79:05Probably the Josh Allen, DJ Moore side. Um, yeah, I would say no, that wouldn't.
79:10I don't know because you take AJ Brown in the second and you take DJ Moore in the fifth and you take
79:17May in the sixth and Josh Allen in the fourth.
79:21So it's a four or five versus a second six.
79:24That wouldn't, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Uh, and your corner of the internet's being like, Oh, DJ Moore so bad.
79:31Can't draft him. Ignoring that the cost of the stack is cheap, you know?
79:36Well, it's not cheap. It's actually, it's around three slash four pick at around five pick.
79:41It's two, two, your first five picks. Caleb Williams is objectively one of the weirdest quarterbacks in the NFL to like evaluate.
79:49Like just like his, like he looks like Jesus Christ at the end of games.
79:54And then is, is like wildly sailing passes half the time as well, which has got to be like, that's just weird, you know?
80:02Yeah. It's like, it's a lot like, like a year to Josh Allen, which would be a great point.
80:08If Josh Allen was not regarded as like the raw quarterback ever, Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the league.
80:15I have no problem doing that saying that that's great.
80:18But like his wide receiver one has not been productive for two consecutive years because they haven't been good.
80:24And that's not Josh Allen's fault. The bills haven't been good.
80:28No, I'm saying Josh Allen's wide receiver one has not been productive because their wide receivers have been bad for two consecutive years.
80:36So like the existence of being Josh Allen's wide receiver one does not get you fantasy pants points.
80:42If you are bad, otherwise Khalil Shakir would have been a good fifth round pick for the last two years.
80:48Yeah. Keon Keon Coleman would have been a jam of jams.
80:52Like Keon could tell Michael Wilson it. Um, sure.
80:55Like, but like, but like, I'm just saying one second.
80:58We need to simply be true that Josh Allen's wide receiver one in the fifth is always a good pick when literally
81:06Josh Allen's wide receiver one has had virtually no meaningful fantasy production for two consecutive years.
81:11Yeah. But just go, go look at the stuff on digs here, man.
81:15Like that's what you're drafting for. You're not. Well, yeah.
81:19But that's the point. But you can't just be like, Oh, like DJ Moore is like probably washed, like whatever.
81:25Like, but he's Josh Allen's wide receiver one. So it'll be fine.
81:29He's in Buffalo now. Like, no, he has to be good.
81:33Like Shakir was bad. And are you moved by the Luther burden drum beat only because I'm not, I've never been moved
81:40by a drum beat in my life. Well, that's probably wrong.
81:44Like we should be moved by some drum beats like the drum beats.
81:48I'm kidding. But no, I'm not moved by the Luther burden drum beat.
81:53I'm moved by, um, liking. You were moved by the Parker Washington drum beat, right?
81:58Um, a little, but I was already just drafting a lot of Parker Washington.
82:02So we just, we just trust Brian Shipley or Shipley, whatever, who said that I wasn't BTJ was behind Gabe Davis, but the bills beats are untrustworthy.
82:11No, I'm not. Well, okay. So I'm never moved by drum beats that are like, this guy looks good.
82:18I just don't care about those drum beats. So like, it was a concern.
82:22Like it could have been like DJ more's like, yeah, he's not that guy anymore.
82:27Like, Ooh, I guess. But like that's, that would describe 1% of preseason drum beats, which would be this guy looks bad.
82:35You almost never hear that. I, I'm not moved by the Luther burden drum beat.
82:40I'm very high on Luther burden, but I was high on him the entire off season.
82:45I'm very, I was also high on, I know that.
82:48And that's, that's a weird take. I'm just choosing Loveland.
82:52I'm just choosing Loveland. Well, we are aligned on Loveland.
82:55I I'm very, very in on Loveland. He's literally my most drafted player.
82:59Um, the Parker Washington one, I was drafting all year.
83:03I am moved up from him, uh, recently, but it's not because of like, he looks good.
83:08Brian Thomas is also getting, he looks good drum beats, but what I do care about with Thomas or with Washington that
83:16I think is meaningful is the report that he would lead the wide receivers and snaps, which like, I agree.
83:22You can't just take that to the bank, but that matters to me because that was not the case last year.
83:29Even when he was hitting down the stretch, he was still coming off in 12 personnel.
83:35So reports that he's going to stay on the field, that matters to me at the margins.
83:40And, um, the reports that Hunter is learning outside wide receiver is also bullish.
83:45Cause that means you can't take anyone off the field.
83:48Sometimes I think you get caught up on like, this guy's good.
83:52This guy is bad. I do get caught up on that.
83:56You know what? You think DJ more will have above 20 PPR fantasy points?
84:01Two, maybe one or two. That's egregious. Like, and, and within a round of him, it go in, say this in the
84:08chat guys here, Davis, I'll help you with your, some streaming tips.
84:12How many games do you guys think DJ more will have above 20 fantasy points PPR?
84:17Because within a round of him goes Marvin Harrison, you know, like the answer is 17.
84:23That's not, that's not where I'm at. Like I, I acknowledge that DJ more had a bad season last year.
84:29So I'm not, I don't have like, I'm not jamming DJ more at the expense of everyone else in the fifth, but
84:37it's probably like, he'll probably be around like a fair line is probably like five and a half, something like that.
84:44Four and a half. And I'm very confident he'll have some giga nuke games, which we care about the most in best
84:51ball about two more, two more for this big dog.
84:54BT dubs. Chat saying. Yeah. I mean, I, I honestly, like I've tried to four to six.
85:00He had three in his terrible year last year.
85:03He had three. Oh, he was, he had a good quarterback.
85:07I'm, I'm, I mean like I'm most, I'm doing this cause it's fun to like talk about a bills player with you.
85:14Um, I'm kind of like, I felt like not a big need to make hating DJ more as much of a part of my personality this year.
85:23Like I did it for two years. It was like pretty successful bit.
85:27Like I felt like we could kind of call it.
85:30Um, I obviously don't click them, but I, I, I do think he's way less egregiously priced this year and I think
85:38that most of the, I'd be with you, man, but he's not, he, he's going to catch passes from Josh Allen.
85:45I just like the argument that that just guarantees you to be a good pick is why I just cannot with like the DJ.
85:53That's not the only argument, but, but that's what I see.
85:56People are just like, you can't, you won't grab Josh Allen's wide receiver one.
86:01And it's like, someone still needs to explain to me why this guy's good.
86:06And I'm not saying that there's a zero percent possibility.
86:09Well, no drafting. That argument. That argument literally doesn't make sense, but it hasn't been.
86:14We have, we have tons of examples of Josh Allen's wide receiver one, not being productive.
86:19The last two years we have Patrick Mahomes wide receiver one, not being productive when he's had bad wide receiver ones.
86:26Like, but okay. It's not Josh Allen's fault. You need to be saying that in pretending that Shakira.
86:32All right, guys. Hey, Hey, it's time. It's time to lock.
86:36Well, I would never. Khalil Shakira is like a lot more.
86:40I'm Jamar Trace at two. I don't draft B.
86:43Oh, I have less than one. Oh, right. We got to, we were, we got to agree on things.
86:49Now we're on the same team. Well, it is my account and I'm floating it.
86:54So I'm not going to do anything terrible and I'm not going to take Jamar Chase at two.
87:00Okay. Well, I don't think it's terrible, obviously. It's not, it's not terrible, but there's just no, there's no reason for it.
87:07I'd probably be Puka. The, the, the reason. I'm okay with Puka.
87:11Structurally. Yeah. The reason why I don't like that is that the wide receiver picks at 23 and 26 are infinitely better than the running back picks.
87:20So it just gives you a better position. I love that RBRB at the four or five though.
87:26The RBRB. Although in this room, given the, the side of it.
87:30I'm totally fine with Bichon. I'm mostly just trolling.
87:33The keep in mind, we have, I am going to take Bichon.
87:37We got Chady who's going to running back Jam.
87:40So we have, we have sidekick user, sidekick user, sidekick user.
87:44We can afford to the 0-5-0-0 start. Yeah. We have at least, at least three, I think four sidekick users in this draft.
87:52So the running backs are going to dry up relatively quickly.
87:55You haven't taken Bichon at all? What'd you say, Jacob?
87:59Oh, I just said, have you not taken Bichon at all?
88:02I have drafted him in 1-5-5-5 as like a high stakes hedge.
88:06And like one or two low stakes. But mostly I just go chase it too.
88:11I'm just, like, I'm happy to run this year overexposed to chase Puka JSN at the expense of Bichon.
88:18That seems reasonable. That's, I mean, I usually make a stand like this in the top five.
88:23I haven't this year. I've mostly just taken all five of them.
88:27The only, the only year I ever did it, I faded Jonathan Taylor for Christian McCaffrey.
88:33Oh, actually I've done it twice because I did it with CMC and I did it with Jefferson.
88:39But it doesn't matter because I didn't win. I've done it every other year, but this one, I just think that the
88:46top five is appropriately priced and correctly ranked this year, which I've never felt before.
88:51I do like Puka over Chase in like a full PPR redraft, but I think that Chase going ahead of him in
88:58best ball half PPR makes total sense. It's very easy to see Puka against Tampa being like the spot you need to win.
89:06Totally. And then I, one thing that I really agree with, he time traveled back from week 17.
89:12Is I agree with, I agree with Liam against the, the, the regression cabal that like wants to make JSN the 11th player on the board.
89:21No, I, I, I actually agree with both of you on that.
89:25That shit's insane to me. Like the, the like, Oh, Kubiak's gone.
89:29Kubiak's gone. JSN's going back in the box. No, dude, he is not.
89:33Yeah. I, I, that, that is a player in football last year.
89:37Yeah. Bullish. I mean, I would say, I would say something.
89:41If you, if you, if you actually wanted to make a more convincing argument, the JSN might be getting a little bit
89:48overdrafted is that might've been the all time sun run from Sam Darnold.
89:52And that is not replicable. He definitely ran. I think it was, but the sun run was because JSN because of JSN.
90:00Yeah. You, you know what is kind of funny?
90:03I I've just been, I've just been, um, you know, looking at, looking at research from last year and stuff like, Oh, Sam Darnold.
90:11He's got to be a pretty good quarterback to take in fantasy football, right?
90:15Like he's, he's gotta be okay. He was so, he was so bad.
90:20Despite JSN, absolutely smashing his game logs. So bad.
90:23He topped 20 points. One exactly 20. He topped 20 points four times.
90:27That's one more than DJ more. Yeah. But you just got to hope that he's got, you know, some defensive injuries or whatever there.
90:35Well, I think part of part, that's part of the case.
90:39I haven't released it yet, but I'm writing up JSN right now for my redraft guide.
90:44And I'm like, yeah, he, he was definitely unsustainably hot on deep efficiency.
90:48You're not going to have a 32% target run 11.4 yards per target.
90:53Why are you writing up the top five picks in fantasy?
90:56All right. Because it matters. We are about to be pick a top five.
91:01We are about to be up. I do not want to take London.
91:05In order, I'd be picking Nico Drake. Well, I'd just take Malik Neighbors.
91:10But Liam doesn't like him. Nope. Hey, we outvoted.
91:13That's okay for me. Jacob, you're just going to be swayed by a training camp.
91:18Did you not see DJ Moore catch the touchdown against three guys, but Neighbors running one route?
91:23Yeah. So I'd like to delineate three things at training camp.
91:27So one is like about rolls and snaps. I care.
91:30One is about injury returns. I care. Three is about.
91:34Jeremiah Love. This guy looked good. Yeah. Jeremiah Love, please.
91:37I have Jeremiah Love ranked way higher than. I actually have Jeremiah Love ranked higher as well.
91:43I've like moved him down only so that people who use my ranks don't get like 60% exposure.
91:49But I think he's massive smash. Yeah. I just think it's like never has a guy gone as high in the draft,
91:56gone at this part of the board. Plus running backs are more expensive than in recent years.
92:01Plus people are just being like Ashton GD couldn't do it.
92:05Ignoring that he went at the one, two turn schedules hard, but it does not end hard.
92:11That playoff schedule is pretty juicy. And he goes at such a nice turn where like you are probably pairing him with Jameer Gibbs or B.
92:19John Robinson. So if, if you need to get a slightly under projecting player in to a really, really weak playoff schedule,
92:27what better way to do it than Jameer Gibbs will get me there by scoring 27 points per game.
92:33Yeah. On DK, I got him at the, uh, at the 12 hole three, four turn yesterday.
92:39Oh man. It's like, okay. We, we were talking about this on a shit on ADP chasing yesterday that Jeremiah love.
92:46If he gets to the three, four turn or like the middle eight third would be such a good value that if
92:53you have plans to travel outside of a. Best ball supporting jurisdiction, you should cancel.
92:58You should, you should cancel your vacation. You can't cancel vacations to draft Jeremiah love at the three Oh nine.
93:05The only thing I'll say about love as someone who has been jamming him.
93:09Like I have huge bags of him is I do think nailing this two, three turn is very important where where she
93:17rice neighbors, pickings, Nico, Jeremiah love Trey McBride. Those are the guys to me who regularly go here.
93:23And at the end of the day, there's going to be a correct order of these dudes.
93:28And if you do need Gibbs to win, if you do need B John to win chase to win, which could be
93:36the case getting the correct two is that's who wins money this year.
93:40Right? So the, I'm very confident that two, at least two of these dudes will be elite.
93:46So mix and match or choose your guys. Whatever you want to do there.
93:50Scott Thomas said, who is the makeup Liam and Jacob player?
93:54Despite our DJ more argument. I think I agree with you more this year than most years.
94:00We have a lot of similar guys. Love one.
94:03I'm drafting actually a lot more guys from bad office than I usually do.
94:07We're, we're, we agree more. Dude, we're about to get auto draft.
94:11I would be ETN at this. Yeah. I knew he was going to, he got auto draft.
94:17Yeah. That's who I would have voted for anyway.
94:20Oh, come on, man. Come on, please. God. Yeah.
94:23Can we just take the greatest receiver of all time?
94:26I would take two in. We're going to take, we're going to take two in with our, we're going to take two in with our next pick.
94:35Come on. Oh yeah. Come on. Let's go. Liam, think of great for me because I was going to say, think about this and balancing your bags.
94:44Exactly. I'm not bothered. It's like, Hey, if, if us three share the big dog guys, this, this might legitimately be the best start I've had.
94:53Yeah. I would like, this is, this is probably ever had.
94:57Yeah. This is wide receivers who are going to have less than 20 fancy points through eight weeks.
95:03So we're a little behind the eight ball at wide.
95:06We're going to, we're going to take, we're going to take two.
95:10You don't even need receivers anymore. We chose the wrong player at second as well, but you're my love, man.
95:17He's going to carry this team. No dude. I like to get, come on.
95:21Oh, I like, I have Jameson ranked the highest.
95:24It's not, it's not like horrible. And I don't mind having a hedge book.
95:29I prefer running back. Liam. I like the most of the running backs.
95:33Okay. I think there is going to be like, I'm having to take Jalen Warren or, or Tony Pollard at our next pick is going to feel.
95:42Why are we doing that? Feel bad, bad. I, that, that was, I like, I could have gone either way there.
95:49I would have been fine with Jamo there. That, I wouldn't have been that.
95:54No, it's a spot where I mix in Swift to in Irving, particularly Irving, just because he doesn't go at the five,
96:01six or the four or five anymore. So I just want some unique combos there.
96:06How good do you think that the Buccaneers offense will be?
96:10If you're in on both Irving and gain? Well, well, you want to talk about guys, you who are going to bring teams to the championship this year.
96:19How about Bucs against the saints? Bucs against the Falcons week 15 and 16.
96:24I'm pretty good. These dudes are getting you to the finals.
96:28That's good. Are you big? Are you, so are you a huge, huge Baker Mayfield drafter?
96:33I definitely have a lot of Baker. I have a lot of Godwin, McMillan, Gainwell.
96:38Who's your, who's your most drafted quarterback? Is it Josh Allen?
96:42I mean, what are we, are we talking about on BBM?
96:45Cause like, you know, I have the five, five, five, all of your, all, whatever.
96:50If we open your portfolio tab, I have no idea.
96:54I don't do some nerdy exposure shit like that.
96:57Just log into your fucking underdog app. Respect my goat.
97:00Respect my goat. My seven, my eight, my not my 10 highest drafted quarterbacks.
97:05Let's read that off. I'm okay. Giving that away in BBM, which is not everything.
97:10Josh Allen is number one, 20%. Respect my goat.
97:13Baker Mayfield is second. Okay. Okay. For third Mendoza is fourth.
97:16Shuck is fifth. Dak is six. Trevor is seventh.
97:19Joe Burrow is eighth. Goff is ninth. And Malik Willis is 10th.
97:23I'll, I'll do this behind that. Mine are extremely different than the ones that Liam just listed out.
97:29Um, number one is a Gino Smith, Josh Allen versus Gino.
97:33I actually have a ton of Gino in the high stakes.
97:37Number two is Caleb Williams. Uh, number three is Bo Nix.
97:40Number four is Jordan love. Number five is Jaden Daniels.
97:44Number six is Daniel Jones. Number seven is Kyler.
97:47Number eight is Justin Herbert. Number nine is Aaron Rogers.
97:50And number 10 is Jackson dark. I've been a Herbert.
97:53Herbert's another guy who I usually would have a ton of, but I'm, I'm not drafting as much lad.
98:00Like I just, dude, it's so bearish. Oh, I've been forcing myself.
98:04Justin Herbert is happy. Herbert. Happy, happy. Justin Herbert dude literally could not be more bearish or, or I shouldn't, I shouldn't
98:11say naked Herbert, but I mean naked at the time that I click him.
98:16Herbert Davis. Are you upset that Justin Herbert is happy in real life?
98:20Is that what you're saying? I'm saying it's very bearish for the chargers and for his fantasy value that he's happy in real life.
98:28Yeah. He should be emo or something. No, he should be.
98:32He should be like all his singular focus should be winning a Superbowl.
98:36Is that true? The chat said we have zero.
98:39I think people perform better. That is remarkable. If that, that is, that is legitimately remarkable.
98:44All right. We are up in one pick. I know I'm not going to get my way.
98:50Personally. Oh, I would get my way. I didn't think I'm, I think he's going to get auto drafted.
98:56Uh, no, he doesn't. I'm, I'm happy to take Marv.
98:59Yeah. I'm not like stoked. I didn't think that would be a Liam guy, but I'm pumped.
99:05No, that's a classic Liam guy. Marvin and BTJ are two dudes who I'm just like, yeah, okay.
99:11I'll draft you sometimes, you know, like I have more Mike Wilson than Marv is a, is a classic Liam guy.
99:18He's a, Oh, hold on. All right. Caleb here, right?
99:21Yeah. Caleb or made the bat. Yeah. We got the bears.
99:25Caleb. Uh, it's a classic Liam guy because it's an opportunity to go against consensus.
99:30Everyone's on Twitter making fun of, of Marv. So Liam gets to go.
99:34You guys are so dumb. You fade the number.
99:37The four. Number one reason. He's a Liam guy.
99:40He's falling to the seventh. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like if there's like a, a common thread in guys that I
99:48frequently suggest that Liam is not into in drafts or streams that I've done with him previously, it is a combination of
99:55like high pedigree players on bad offenses. And Marvin Harrison hits both of those.
100:00And so I just saw him not being a Liam guy.
100:03I wouldn't really want Marvin as much in managed for sure.
100:07Like in best ball, it's like, I don't have to know when he's going to have his three 20 point games or whatever, you know?
100:15I mean, there's like certainly some chance that Marv like is a legitimate breakout.
100:20Like there, there, there's some chance that he's a legitimate breakout, right?
100:24Of course. Oh, yes. Yeah, there definitely is. But when does he get 20 points game?
100:29You're just like, eh, good, good player. QJ over Marv is egregious.
100:33Agreed. Agreed. QJ, the whole concept of the QJ price is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.
100:40The only QJ team I have, I think is in the FFPC main event.
100:45I took QJ in like the 13th round because he was randomly there.
100:49I've also never seen a, uh, hype train like this where like, can you remember another example of a player moving up
100:5630 spots without a significant injury to a teammate assigning or trade?
101:00No, I have no analog or them being like a rookie.
101:04You know, another game I don't like for week 17 chargers cheaps.
101:08It's not, it's like kind of like a 2017.
101:11Well, the chiefs. dude. Yeah. my homes, my homes is washed dude.
101:15Wash King. Oh, this I want to hear. Are you in on, are you in the chiefs, uh, passing game?
101:22I draft for she rice because like there were times last year that he, I thought would be going like seventh overall in the, in the draft.
101:31Um, I draft some, I'm not like jamming the chiefs by any means, but I draft some of them.
101:37Like they're so, they're so, can't, can't draft the chiefs dude.
101:41They're, they're cooked, man. I it's Denver's division though, man.
101:44I'm not making it my identity to draft. No, you shouldn't do.
101:48They're terrible. Um, but I do my homes. Do you guys see, you don't, you know, he has a losing record against Bo Nix.
101:56One of the worst things Broncos, Broncos division in the past.
102:00Yeah, it is like seven years is consistently putting every single chief player in the fifth round and higher.
102:06This is the first year they really haven't done that.
102:09Yeah. No, no, no evidence to suggest that any chiefs player could have been good for fantasy.
102:15It's crazy, dude. Crazy. They've just been, they've been silent to loud killers for the recent years.
102:21Of course this year they're cheaper. So I draft some worthy.
102:24I draft some Kelsey. I draft some Ken. I like Ken Walker more than like sake one.
102:30Oh, I love Ken Walker this year and every year, but especially this year, I know you love Ken Walker, but it
102:37is like, it's easy to see it going bad.
102:40Is it? How does it go bad this year?
102:43How does it go bad? Unless he, well, he gets hurt.
102:47because it's like James cook has had to produce as like an elite player for many years to finally go at the
102:54first and Ken Walker lands on the chiefs and has not scored over 200 fantasy points in the past four years.
103:01And people are like, he should go right next to James cook.
103:05So you're just paying for, for you're really assuming that he's going to be that guy.
103:11And he just might, you can, you can get a plenty overweight Ken Walker without ever taking him ahead of James cook.
103:18Yeah. But he goes within like three picks of them is my, is my point.
103:23Like you're paying for that. Sure. Yeah. Well, you're, yeah, you're paying for that.
103:28You're, you're paying for one of the best running back talents in the NFL.
103:32He better be at that price. Like I like at, I have chase Brown and, and a Chan ranked the highest after Jen.
103:40Yeah. Yeah. I've been warming slowly on chase Brown.
103:43I don't, we got snapped off. We got snapped off on Harvey.
103:47We're up in two picks. We, yeah, that Harvey really hurt.
103:51Yeah. Addison Godwin digs. It's a small contest. So the digs price does not matter.
103:56I like, I like Addison. Yeah. This is like Addison Godwin.
103:59I literally couldn't care less. I probably take those two dudes.
104:03Um, now worth mentioning that all the tight ends by the time we get back are going to be the absolute worst guys.
104:11Um, that's fine. I don't mind. I like the late tight ends.
104:15I hate this. We're not. So again, we're not going to get the good late tight ends in this one.
104:21Like they're all going to go towards that. There's so many, there's so many good late buddy.
104:27I took, I took Darnell Washington in a big yesterday.
104:30We're we should take Jackson dart here. I love Jackson dart.
104:34I like, I like dark just fine. All right.
104:37This is a fucking team. This is, this is, this is, this is the big dog champ right here.
104:43This is, this is a pretty good team. Uh, B.
104:47John Robinson, Malik neighbor, my love Luther burden. This team's swift Harrison.
104:51Yeah, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. I just, I want, I want everyone to know that the tight, like we think
104:58we're going to get a good tight end here.
105:01We are staring. We are staring down the barrel of a AJ Barner, Darnell Washington.
105:06I can't tell you. I can't tell you how perfectly content.
105:10I would be with a tight end room. Uh, you highlight this Tony comment, because it's just brain dead.
105:16Gunner Helm, David was going way higher. He's going in the fifth round.
105:20You're not, he does. He's not like a second round pick because he's Josh Allen's wide receiver one, you know?
105:27Yeah. That's actually been what has pissed me off about the DJ more thing is that his price is not quite low enough.
105:35That you should be worried about fading. Well, no, it's what it is.
105:39His, he's not quite cheap enough that I get to do my favorite thing in the world, which is to like go
105:46full pivot on a player that I've always hated and then try to try to play it perfectly.
105:52Like if he was going mid six, that'd actually be very in on him, but he's not, but he's also not, but
105:59he's also not, I do this too, Jacob, where it's like, if a player was a half round cheaper, I would have way more of them.
106:08And that, and that's probably like one of the worst things we do where it's like, well, but there's a literal opportunity cost.
106:1618%. It's not like at a half. I wouldn't have 18%.
106:19You should have some of him. Well, but then I'd have to have less of other guys.
106:25I like more. Is there a good reason to you guys?
106:29Jackson dart does not go amongst Caleb Herbert, Trevor Dak.
106:32Yeah. There's reason to believe that the offense is worse.
106:35And there's a reason to believe that he might run less.
106:39However, he trailed only Josh Allen in fantasy points per game amongst quarterbacks last year.
106:44Why would he run less? Just because our ball like tackles him.
106:48Well, theoretically what based on the reporting we were getting at the time was that part of the reason that day ball
106:55was fired was because he kept calling Jackson dart designed runs.
106:59That was the, that was the reporting we heard was that part of the reason he was just, Brian, there was, there
107:06was part of the reason, part of the reason that he was relieved of his duties was because basically the, the team
107:14was saying you are treating Jackson darts health with a lack of care and trying to use his body to save your job.
107:21Well, and I thank him for that. Hey, Jackson dart was my most drafted quarterback last year.
107:27So, uh, I thank him for that as well.
107:30I, I just, I'm, I'm providing the market-based, I don't agree with it, but I'm providing the market-based argument.
107:36Also, definitely some chance that the giants are kind of brutal.
107:40Like there's definitely a chance. The giants are kind of brutal.
107:44Yeah. Pretty strong chance, but opinion or no, well, neighbors, I actually think neighbors being healthy and back earlier than expected is
107:51a pretty good counter argument to the giants being.
107:54this is an interesting thing about the neighbors price.
107:57Is that very, very early when neighbors was going round to dart was going in like round eight, round seven even.
108:04And then we got all the bearish news on neighbors, pushed him down.
108:08It also pushed dark down. Now we get the bullish news on neighbors.
108:13He comes back up. Why has dart not come back up?
108:16I think it's because like what this max guy said, like darts a smash, but he's the worst player I've ever seen at protecting himself.
108:25Like, I think that's the casual take is like, and look, they were right about Jaden Daniels.
108:30So they, they got it last year. How about, this is a tricky, this is a tricky spot.
108:36You like Kincaid over Kittle. I do. I don't draft much.
108:40I guess that's not that surprising. Well, Kittle's gone now.
108:43Myers. I like as well. I don't hate him.
108:46I don't love him, but that's a decent price.
108:49I also like Romeo Dobbs. Yeah. Kelsey over Kincaid is just wrong.
108:53I have them. Well, he's going to run. I click the button.
108:57You guys saw me click the button. Okay. We did.
109:01We did get him. I literally clicked the button and it, and it barred out.
109:06Like he might, how many routes more do you think he will run than Dalton Kincaid?
109:11Like literally probably two. I was going to say 200.
109:14Yeah. The, the only way that we are, we are back up.
109:18We are back up. We can, we can take a second.
109:22We can take Kincaid. If you want Kincaid. I would.
109:25Oh, he went, he went, he went, Oh, he did.
109:29Dobbs. I don't really like likely, but I would entertain him because we have.
109:33No, I would say, I don't like likely either, but it's fine stacked.
109:38So I'd be likely or yeah, if you like Dobbs, that's fine.
109:42I like Shakir more, but that's fine. Yeah. Liam hates Shakir.
109:45That's fine. I don't think much in, in underdog at all.
109:49I do. I do think that Kelsey is a, like definitely a better pick than Kincaid being a bit like taking all Homer nonsense out of it.
109:58He just is so like, he's, I hate both of your teams and pretty equally, but I, I draft Kelsey, but I don't feel great about it.
110:07Like I'm hoping he falls in the end zone six times.
110:11I don't usually take any of the tight ends at this turn because usually I can get Casey or a UCL to get JCM.
110:19UCL to get Jordan Mason. I, I'm often taking quarterback.
110:22So it's just not usually a tight end. Like I usually like tight ends.
110:27Well, first of all, I have Bowers or, or Loveland on literally half my teams.
110:32Um, but then if I don't have one of them, I'm usually taking my tight end one at like Jawan Johnson, I build teams like that.
110:40I really actually do like this tight end range.
110:43I'm very confident that some, I don't, I see.
110:46I don't like likely. And I don't, I mean, to me, Jake Ferguson is one of the guys.
110:52Like one Jake Ferguson. That seems like kind of a bad pick to me.
110:57I like Ferguson. I like God. I like God.
111:00I don't hate those guys. I just don't find them to be materially better than the, like Chig, strange Johnson group.
111:07I think it's quite realistic that Kincaid healthiest off season he's had in a long time.
111:12Um, like how does it go bad for DJ more?
111:16One way it goes bad is if Don Kincaid is just 85%.
111:20Liam, I completely, everyone agrees with you on Kincaid.
111:23We just agree. We disagree with you on the likelihood of the knee allowing for those.
111:28Well, I did. I disagree. On multiple counts. Um, the biggest one is I don't think the knee goes in the 11th round.
111:36The big, the biggest thing I disagree on is the fact that the knee is the reason he runs limited routes.
111:43I think it's, I think it's a, I think it's a big part of it.
111:48It's a part of it, but I think that the, this biggest crunch that the bills have is that they, it's difficult
111:55to get Khalil Shakir and Dalton Kincaid onto the field together on non like third down two minute drill snaps, because to
112:02do so you either need to play Kincaid in line.
112:06I just, I gotta, I gotta highlight, I gotta highlight a question.
112:10If you guys didn't hear that Dalton Kincaid skipped, um, for vacations, he would usually take this, this off season.
112:16This, this is the fucking guy. People are so thirsty to draft 4.4 points per game, 7.7 points per game, 5.9 points per game, 5.7 points per game.
112:25Enough already, dude. He's like the, the Isaiah, the Isaiah, like the thing is like, we shouldn't even talk about it.
112:32It does. I only have a likely team with conversation and very rarely at that.
112:37Like often actually I get to like likely falls here.
112:41To the one forties. Sure. And I forget he's available because I have him ranked lower.
112:46I, Isaiah likely is literally a like 2008 brain fantasy take.
112:50We, it's like, Oh, like here's a guy. He's okay in best ball.
112:54He's the tight end one. He might be the number two option.
112:58Like he was good. He's going to get more routes.
113:01I, it's like, he has serious limitations as a blocker.
113:05He's not even actually that good. This is the big difference between Isaiah likely and Dalton Kincaid.
113:10Like I'm pretty bearish. Duncan K getting more routes.
113:13At least when he is on the field, he does own a shit ton of targets.
113:19We are, we are, we are up in one pick.
113:22Who would you guys like to select? Traferred. Uh, Jake should go down with the big news.
113:28Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I'd like, I'd like to take the cornerback or Omar Cooper.
113:33Yeah, I'd probably be Cooper. I'm like, I like the idea of Hunter, but I don't take as much of them.
113:40I'm cool with, can I toss out Denzel Boston?
113:43I was going to say, can I tell you Boston?
113:46I'm cool with him too. He's been getting crazy.
113:49Good buzz. Crazy. Good buzz. Yeah. I like Dylan Sampson too.
113:53Jacob. I like, I also, but we could probably get him at the next turn.
113:58I would not be. I like Bigsby a lot.
114:01I like Bigsby a lot. Tank, Bigsby. Those are the two.
114:04And Dylan Sampson. I like Spears too. Those are my three favorite running backs in this range.
114:10Algier. No, we have Jeremiah Love. We, we have, so I did Bigsby because we made, we made giant bets.
114:17We have a decent chance of getting Sampson at the next turn too.
114:21We have no chance of getting him. We have locked in points so we can just swing for upside.
114:27Yeah. And, and Tank, like Tank, I think has, I don't know what an, a 9% chance of a little bit of standalone value.
114:35If they really do lean off of Barkley a little bit, but Boston, I feel very good about getting there because I
114:43had kind of been lighter on him because I've been drafting so much Concepcion.
114:47And the, the, the pub from training camp is, is making me get a little bit of FOMO on that.
114:54Concepcion's been getting a good pub too. Both of them have, but yeah, the one, the one who has not been getting
115:01good pub, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Yeah. I mean, that's the pub on Boston is nice.
115:07Cause it makes me think that both of these rookies are going to start like week one.
115:12They're not going to mess around like Cedric Tillman's catching passes from Dylan Gabriel.
115:17It's over for him. Judy is a ghost. Cause I haven't, has Jerry Judy attended Brown's camp?
115:23I haven't read a single word about him. The only, the only highlight I've got of Judy was of him saying that
115:30a video of him saying that he wished to Sean Watson was the quarterback was altered by AI.
115:36Oh, I did see that. I asked yesterday. What's everyone's biggest training camp takeaway.
115:41And Ian Harden said that Dylan Sampson, maybe not as locked in as the RB to judge kids handcuff.
115:47I listened to the pod that he posted and it was, it wasn't like Dylan Sampson to zero.
115:53It was just that, like, he is a third down back.
115:57He's not going to be all of the rushing work.
116:00If Judkin gets hurt, people, people forget. I haven't Sanders.
116:03Rocket Sanders was, who would be, who would be the running back?
116:07If Judkins gets hurt, if it's not Samson, it doesn't move the needle for me at all.
116:13Like I'm drafting Samson for usable weeks. Jacob, do you remember who scored?
116:17Do you remember who scored the rushing touchdown week one when Judkins didn't play?
116:22Is it Raheem Sanders? Like it's right. Like if, if Quinshawn, if Quinshawn Judkins went out and someone wants to tell me
116:29that Raheem Sanders is going to be the running back over Dylan Sampson.
116:34Like, I don't know. Samson is not that small either.
116:37He's 200 pounds. Like the guy was like, and he had like 280 carries in the sec.
116:43Jacob, let me, let me tell you, Quinshawn Judkins misses time.
116:46You're we're combined. We're spending 212 free agent acquisition budget dollars on Raheem Sanders for our main event teams.
116:53I mean, sure. Like FFPC waivers are pretty bleak.
116:56Like that, that sounds like a reasonable thing to do, I guess.
117:00Yeah. All right. One of my favorite things that people do, they do it for Judkins and now we're seeing it for
117:07Samson is people like to cite yards per carry on the 2025 Cleveland Browns.
117:12I just personally wouldn't. All right. We have Caleb Williams, Jackson.
117:15Is Burden Harrison, Addison Dobbs in Boston. Yep. This is, sounds pretty great.
117:20What is wrong? This is, this is one of, this is one of the best neighbors.
117:25You didn't count Malik neighbors, buddy. I do agree.
117:28It looks worse without our second round. I agree.
117:31If you, if you take out, if you take out your second round pick, I agree.
117:36It does. It does. That's what I could see on the screen.
117:40I do. I forgot about him. I don't draft him that often.
117:44It's of all the, of all the people to be out on neighbors.
117:49I would have never guessed that my, maybe that's going to be a, you know, canary in the coal mine for you.
117:56I just, I think, I think normally I would be able to like with some degree of accuracy, be able to project your takes.
118:04And I would have been, I would have been wrong on that one.
118:08Liam is the hardest person that I like pay attention to.
118:12You never, you never know where he's, you, I was going to say, you never know where he's slapping from.
118:19Like it is like, I find it very easy to predict Matic fakes.
118:23Yeah. Well, that's, that's by, it's by the book.
118:26Davis and I actually agree about a lot of things.
118:29He's just louder about it. Like, all right. I think there's one pretty, I think there's one pretty obvious tight end pick available for us at this.
118:38I agree. And I assume we're on the same guy.
118:42I like AJ Barner more than T Ferg, but I would, you would, you would like AJ Barner.
118:48two V one. Terrence Ferguson is actually like literally in May.
118:51I was like, this guy's going to be a great pick.
118:55Liam, someone commented on my last video and said, you will learn about T Ferg from Liam.
119:01Someone said that. That's like how Pat learned about Samson from you.
119:05Yeah. For fan. Davis watches the NFL. I assumed you just knew T.
119:09I don't think that's. Oh man. Um, can we, how about a little, how old Jaden blue?
119:14Anyone? I was hoping you. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Liam, are you good?
119:18Lloyd? I think this team Lloyd makes more sense than blue.
119:22If we're going to swing for upside. They're like the same.
119:26They're literally the same thing. They're not. I, I like blue more, but I don't hate Lloyd.
119:31If that's the way that we wanted to go.
119:34Well, Liam can, Liam can give up his equity.
119:37If he really hates it that bad. No, I mean, I like, I like Jaden blue too.
119:43Um, he's just not as much upside as Lloyd to me.
119:47Isn't he, isn't he, why, why would he not be?
119:50He's a little bit more Dylan Samson. He where it's like, which I, who I draft a lot because like, I'm counting
119:57on them to give me some weeks. Lloyd, I think we'll also give weeks, but he's also like, I mean, it is
120:05in the range of outcomes that Josh Jacobs does not play week one.
120:09No, no. I, I I'm, I'm aligned. I'm aligned.
120:12I mean, there's a chance we get Marshawn Lloyd in this draft anyway.
120:16Plus Marshawn Lloyd, third round pick. If he could be a bell cow and they would bring in another running back.
120:23Yeah. It's Najee Harris time. I mean, they, the, the beats they're so down bad.
120:28The beats have been talking about. Martina do where like Dr.
120:32Strange learned magic. He went to, I think he went to, I do think he literally went to the same place.
120:39Christian Watson went. Yeah. He's going to be fun.
120:42I've been warming on. I've been warming on Lloyd.
120:45All right. Chess, Liam would skeptical. Chess Liam since high school.
120:49So since Marshawn Lloyd was 17, how many games with over 20 rush attempts?
120:53So this is, this is seven years. Someone said Trey McBride scored before last year.
120:58We're talking about the future here, Davis, not the past.
121:02It's again, as I always say to you, if you just project anything to happen and say it could happen, it's an inarguable point.
121:10I can't, I can't, I cannot argue that point.
121:13I should do that more in arguments. Anytime someone says something, I don't have a comeback for just, we're talking about the future, not the past.
121:21It's a forward thinking show. Higher line, right? No, no.
121:25Good line. You can't see anything. You can't see anything to that.
121:29I'm actually aligned with Liam on Marshawn Lloyd. But I think he's, he's basically one of the best picks.
121:35I just, I, I personally, I feel a little stupid for having not hammered Jaden blue when he was like, not being
121:42clicked given how much Jaden blue I took last year.
121:46So I'm trying to rectify those sins. Oh, that's fine.
121:49If you're just exposure mixing. I mean, I have blue and Lloyd ranked next to each other and in my personal ranks.
121:56And I think the market's going to do this too.
122:00I raised the last call running backs, which to me, I've called it all summer, like the Woody marks line.
122:06So Woody marks, Keaton Mitchell, Tracy, these are the last guys where you're like, yeah, they might just be big hits after that.
122:14It's like, okay. I mean, other than like the hand marks in that who, we're including Woody marks in that.
122:21I am. Yeah. Like Woody marks could just play a ton at the expense of David Montgomery.
122:26Like he, he played last year. So I include him in that.
122:30Um, and because they're going to go up, I also think the appealing late route, like the real light rounds is super
122:38dire at running back where it's like, I'm taking now Jordan James instead of Lloyd blue Ray Davis, you know, it's like,
122:45Oh, Oh my, like, I'm just like, Oh, well hope, hope that shoulder or that.
122:50Woody, Woody marks can't get better because he failed in the exact same way.
122:55He failed in college. He just cannot, like, he would have to get bigger.
122:59He would literally like, he would have to like, just make it.
123:03Yeah. You just have to make a concentrated effort to get bigger.
123:07I know. I know. I get too caught up on this, but he's not good.
123:12It's true. Um, I think we, I agree that the, that the late round RBs are dreadful, but I don't, I need more running back.
123:21So that's, I think we should thing. We have, yeah, we need another third tight end and probably two receivers.
123:27Probably. I would probably take Jacoby with McBride. Well, nevermind.
123:31He's gone. Look, the wide receiver tab for me.
123:34We, we should take, uh, firing with her collar here.
123:37I like collar or Njoku. I'd be, I'd be booty Malik Washington.
123:41No, what the hell? That's a zero. What are you doing?
123:45Well, okay. We, I think we should have discussed that one.
123:48We had two seconds left. Oh, well then we didn't have much time to discuss.
123:53Charlie. Colar shit is unhinged. Booty, booty or Bernard.
123:56I'm, I'm good with booty. I'm good with whoever Liam wants.
124:00He has not a pick and three picks. Booty, Liam.
124:03Um, Darius Slayton, Darnell Mooney. If you want to find booty, what seriously?
124:08That was, that was Liam doing a meal. That was, I have a lot of that come from.
124:14Um, is anyone down for this? I fundamentally disagree on underdog about always doing three tight end.
124:19Like, it's just fine to live with your bets with Kelsey.
124:23Well, I was happy. I was happy to do for set there, but he went, but it would a third quarterback at the next pick.
124:31I'm, I'm, I've, I've never been more happy to put my wrist up.
124:36You guys love building some dog shit. Liam, put your wrist up and tell me how you feel.
124:42What is this? Tell me, tell me you feel cooler thing.
124:45Yes. Yeah. It's a Shadur thing. What is, why is Shadur doing this?
124:50What does this always does this? That's just, that's like his thing.
124:54You guys are unwell. Um, first of all, we have Caleb and dart.
124:58We have two elite quarterbacks. Exactly. We have two, we have two guys who are small little babies who are going to get injured.
125:06Second of all, you just took a dude at tight end.
125:10Who's going to score less points than Jackson Hawes.
125:13He's not going to score. He's not going to score fewer points than Jackson Hawes.
125:18In order. I would list the upside bets in the Chargers tight end rooms.
125:22Gadsden, Nujoku, um, and under, Zachary, Liam, Liam, and then Charlie.
125:26Are, are, are, are you miss, you miss Tucker Fisk.
125:29Are the faders, are the faders quaking after Charlie Kilar said, I want to catch the ball.
125:35Look at that. Zoom in on this dude's face.
125:38This dude is a fucking loser. You think this guy is going to.
125:42Okay. That is actually, I didn't know what Charlie.
125:45Like you're betting. Now, but I do drafted this guy in a $500 draft.
125:50This, that forehead. I had no idea what this guy looked like before that.
125:55That is deeply concerning. Charlie Kilar will remain unranked in my ranks.
125:59Okay. And if he beats me, my God, why is it?
126:02Look at the, he's frowning. Like, why can't he put that on the thumbnail?
126:07When, when someone gets hurt in your bags, pull up, post this guy.
126:11This guy's like a sad, like fish. I want to catch the ball.
126:15Every play. Good for you, dude. Good for you.
126:18Also, the value, the charges are probably not the best offense in the world to take.
126:24They actually might literally be the best offense in the world.
126:27Yeah. Well, no, no, no, no. I like the charges offense, but there's like 18 guys to convince ourselves on.
126:34Kamani, but all right. That's why you take the cheap ones.
126:38Gadson, new joke. Charlie. Come on, man. This, this Charlie Kolar stuff is unhinged.
126:42I thought so about a month ago. And then I opened up my third.
126:47Here's some players. I realized I didn't like Charlie Kolar because of the past, but I'm now focused on the future.
126:54What if Charlie Kolar catches 10 touchdowns? I'm going to help you guys out and give you this for free.
127:01Hey, we'll disley. We'll disley was a consistent top 12 tight end.
127:05You're telling me he can't be better. I'm going to name some tight ends that you should draft over Charlie Kolar.
127:12Darnell Washington, Michael Mayer, Eric, all Theo Johnson, Mason Taylor, Elijah Roy.
127:16ho. These are the players that I will draft like the young, like some of these dudes are young and showed something last year.
127:24Jackson Hawes. You should draft him instead of Charlie Kolar.
127:27Sorry. You want to think about last year? I thought we were trying to pick for the future.
127:33I thought we were trying to pick for the future, dude.
127:37Charlie Kolar has no future. Charlie Kolar is the future.
127:40The future is Kolar. He's a replacement. Liam, I need you to put your wrist up, dude.
127:46Come on. It's just like a very bad pick guys.
127:49It should be. Liam, who do you want? Wide receiver.
127:52Can you show me the wide out tab? Darnell Mooney.
127:56Layton? Mooney? Caleb Douglas. No, I'm literally not taking Darnell Mooney.
127:59Darius Layton. Looks like Shadur. We tip Shadur. If Shadur is contributing points to this, like, first off, we just gambled on
128:07quarterback in a, in a team that does not need it.
128:10This is, this is absurd, dude. Hey, this fantasy football tout, this fantasy football tout that I follow said, what if I
128:18was to tell you, this is like the most of your two starting quarterback, whose team added two top 40 pick wide
128:25receivers and a new, highly regarded play caller. It's off season.
128:29And I, who was fake posting about Cortland Sutton.
128:32Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've embraced a new flavor of Twitter in the last couple of days and I've had a lot of fun with it.
128:40Thank you for acknowledging that Twitter is not always a place to be serious.
128:45Like it's okay just to like fire shit off there.
128:48Yeah. That tweet, that tweet was the most fun I've ever had posting a tweet.
128:53Yeah. I laugh at myself all the time when I tweet and then I get like, and then I do it again the next day.
129:01The, the unfortunate thing is I don't, people are used to, I think me taking Twitter more seriously.
129:07And so I like posted this and people were getting like legitimately, like, like posting like legitimate disagreements in the, in the
129:15replies about being like, like I thought you were reporting real news.
129:19I mean, I, I, it there's truth in the joke.
129:22I do think should are is a pretty viable round.
129:25All right. I got a sauce. I got a sauce.
129:29My guy, Ryan, I meant about the Sutton thing, not the Shudder thing.
129:33Uh, something is, is, is not like, no, that's not a report.
129:37I mean, there happened to be a blur about Pat Bryant.
129:41I've been having a take. It's been percolating in my mind and I decided I'll, I'll throw it out there and see what happens.
129:49All right. The eight hole draft. James, Kenneth Walker at 17.
129:52Anyone's hole on stream. Where, where do you get your, where do you get your ideas?
129:58Emeka Ibuka. Didn't you hear ADP chasing? Everyone's fading him.
130:01Colson Lovelland at pick 41. Wow. Where do you get your ideas?
130:05Wonder if you listen to Liam DJ more 56.
130:08Wow. Where do you get your ideas? Brian Thomas, your pick the best Jags wide receiver.
130:13Good for you. Trevor Lawrence. I guess you watched the bills playoff game last year.
130:18Blake Corham at 89. You must be, uh, someone who follows Mike quantitative Kyle pits at one Oh four.
130:25I guess you read Jeremy Fowler's ESPN article, Baker Mayfield at one 13.
130:29I guess you just listened to Liam list off his quarterback exposures.
130:33Jaden Higgins. Anytime you can take Xavier Hutchinson's track back up.
130:37You got to do it. Jalen McMillan. Anytime you can take Ted Hearst back up in round 12, you absolutely got to do it.
130:45Isaiah Pacheco. Who's only being drafted right now because James Connor hasn't been traded for yet.
130:50Isaac Tesla, 27 targets on 300 rounds last year.
130:53Add and I Mitchell. Wow. Where do you get your ideas?
130:57You must watch this YouTube channel. This guy, Sean Tucker.
131:00This is a team I would draft Malik Washington.
131:03Okay. Ryan, in all seriousness, George Solani is legitimately a worse pick than Shudder Sanders.
131:08I need you. I know that Solani is a good fantastic pick.
131:12Like Kalani could be upside. You could argue that George Solani.
131:16What if Dylan Samson was on the super bowl champions, but was going to start week one.
131:21Like Kalani is a huge upside swing. And we took two dudes who are going to do nothing for us.
131:28And Kolar and Sam. No, Kalani and Sanders are going to do a lot for us.
131:33But people need to realize that the money is not that serious to Shady.
131:38This dude crushes at DFS. So he's just doing shit for fun.
131:42He's just trying to have a little fun with Charlie.
131:45He just top clicks his tool. No, he's, he, this is a fun thing for him.
131:51I'm trying to win money at this. This is why I will not draft Charlie for the troll.
131:57You're saying Shady is spending thousands of dollars. Like as part of it.
132:01Yes, because he wins a Millie maker like three times a year.
132:05Like, like people, they, they see that and they're like, Oh, genius.
132:09They don't realize that this is like fun little side project.
132:13I don't like, while that may be true, I don't think that he is intentionally.
132:18Psy off in the world about Charlie Kalar. I don't think he's trying to get his money in bad either.
132:24I'm just saying this is a lot more meaningful to my bottom line.
132:29Of course, it's hard. The thing, the thing with Charlie Kalar is that I can't tell if I have actually independently arrived
132:36at the idea that he's clickable, or I'm so far deep in the panopticon that I can no longer tell what is truth and what is fiction.
132:45No Davis, if you think of Charlie Kalar is your take, you have lost yourself.
132:50You have lost yourself. Not that, not that I, not that I think he's not that I think he's my take.
132:57Charlie Kalar is the classic. Like, I think I'm smarter than everyone.
133:01So I'm going to take Charlie Kalar because other people are taking David Njoku and Gatson.
133:06Ha ha ha. I'm going to get these six points one week.
133:10Pull, pull off his college ref stats. I'm pulling up his Rez.
133:14I know he's got a decent Rez. No, Liam, the thing, the thing about Kalar is that he is, he was legitimately a receiving tight end in college.
133:23So is John Harbaugh just like the worst coach ever?
133:27I think there's like definitely a possibility. Yeah. I hope not for this team.
133:31Cause it doesn't. Invested heavily in the John Harbaugh.
133:34Neighbors. And then also, he had more. Charlie Kalar.
133:37This, this is perhaps the funniest correlation bet of all time.
133:41You cannot take Malik neighbors and Charlie Kalar. Charlie Kalar, the same team.
133:45That's what I'm saying. You can't, and you can't be like Keaton Mitchell.
133:50It was just Harbaugh. Kalar. He outproduced, he outproduced Jalen Knoll when they, when they played together.
133:55Wow. Jalen Knoll stuck behind Xavier Hutchinson. I wonder if that would ever happen.
134:00Charlie Kalar and Xavier Hutchinson being the same thing is.
134:03Yes. The quarterback on this team, by the way, is a real fun one.
134:08Yeah. You ever heard of this guy? Brock Purdy.
134:11If anyone out there can find a Charlie Kolar season long projection in the books, please enlighten us.
134:17This, this, by the way, here, I actually do it when I was on.
134:22I do have something. but that Iowa state team had so many fricking NFL.
134:26I'm already bet this. I already bet this. Log out.
134:30Nice. I'm going to get so much closing line value on this brother.
134:34I'm going to, I'm going to tail this right now.
134:37Yeah. Here. If everyone, if anyone wants to tail a guaranteed.
134:41I actually did this with Jackson Hawes. The week he scored a touchdown.
134:45Luther burden higher than 54 and a half receiving yards.
134:49Charlie Kolar to score a touchdown in week one.
134:52Davis. I used to know you, man. And, and respect you.
134:55I don't respect this. This is for a buddy.
134:58I'm giving you, I'm giving you financial advice and you're, you're laughing at it.
135:03Liam. Oftentimes. And be under four fantasy points. I don't, I don't think that'll happen.
135:08He would need two fumbles, which means he would need three targets.
135:12He would need three targets. When you're concerned about your guy getting three targets.
135:17When this team, when this team, I'm not concerned.
135:20He's not getting them. When this team makes it to week 17, Liam, you're going to remember.
135:25And you don't like, imagine. And when you guys are like, Oh my God, we would have won 200 grand.
135:32If we just took a player that could hit our lineup instead of should be clear the player.
135:38I'm okay with all the picks we made. I would never in my life.
135:43Take Charlie Kolar. I would never in my life.
135:46Draft Jader Sanders on the Caleb dart underdog team.
135:49So you're, you're, you have not folded to a big three QB.
135:53Neither have the Simbros. How about you look what shady did here?
135:57Shady, shady. If he didn't do it as someone that drafts against him rightly in the high stakes, this man's not taking a three QB since may.
136:06People just don't understand. They, the Simbros care way more about running back than QB.
136:11Something that I do really love running. Charlie Kolar is Mike McDaniel's Joker.
136:15Hello. Hmm. Well,
