0:00Future's now open! There's a pretty big difference, I think, between a regular Dynasty Rebuild and a Bestball Dynasty Rebuild.
0:06So yeah, but I'm being good, J-Mac, how you been?
0:09I've been good, man. Yeah, things are moving, things are grooving.
0:13We are finishing up and wrapping up some of our Dynasty Bestball drafts that we had going on with all the Future First gang out there.
0:21Shout out to everyone involved in all those. Thank you guys for being in there.
0:25And we're looking forward to the season and kind of kicking off these inaugural seasons and all of those.
0:31So yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about that in a second, but let's get through some of all the housecleaning here.
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1:58We're going to do a quick hit as always first here before we jump into the dynasty best ball roster construction for rebuilding.
2:06Are you ready? Yeah, let's do it. All right.
2:08We're just going to talk a little bit about all the future first best ball dino leagues that we had going on the debrief from them all.
2:17We had four total leagues. Shout out to all the participants.
2:20There was a bunch of them from the OTC discord.
2:23We had a bunch of guys come over from the DD fantasy community.
2:27We pulled in some a couple people from Reddit.
2:30We had some guys come over from the fantasy footballers.
2:33Shout out to all y'all who participated in the leagues.
2:36Thank you for filling them out. I hope you guys had fun.
2:40Let us know if you guys liked it and drop a comment below.
2:44If you're listening, we had two snake leagues, Cobra and Viper.
2:47I was in the Cobra. You were in the Viper.
2:50And then we had two auction leagues, the proxy auction leagues over on the dynasty helper.
2:55Those were going once and going twice. I've been both of those.
2:59You're in the going twice here. What are your thoughts on your teams coming out of them?
3:04What kind of builds did you chase here? Yeah.
3:07I mean, pardon me. I'm going to be looking a little off screen because, you know, sleeper, if you're out there listening,
3:14please allow us to look at best ball teams on the web.
3:17So I can't see my team, but in both of them, I did kind of go for a, a, a, like a win.
3:25Now, I think I sold my 27 picks in both leagues.
3:28So we're definitely in there. The future, the Viper one, the snake just finished.
3:32I had a pretty good team. I wanted to kind of really try, you know, I didn't want to shoehorn it, but
3:39if it worked, I wanted to try what we talked with Scott regarding, you know, heavy running back, heavy quarterback, kind of
3:46just, you know, pancake a bunch of wide receivers kind of in those later rounds.
3:50And so that's kind of what I did. I went HN Burrow early.
3:54I traded up into the second to get two second round picks and pick Trey McBride because I knew if I was
4:01in the league tight end kind of to the wayside, I did want to have like one of those elite guys and
4:08just kind of not have to really worry about the position much saying that, Trey McBride can do his thing.
4:14So, and apart from that, you know, Chigga, Kwanko in the tight end room, Njoku.
4:19And then it's just a bunch of kind of middling wide receivers or guys that you'd put in that solid wide receiver
4:26two to three with Zay Flowers, Terry McLaurin, Josh Downs, DJ Moore, Khalil Shakir, those sorts of players.
4:31So I really wanted to try that strategy. I think I only sold my first and maybe I think I sold my second.
4:38So I still have a little bit of ammo.
4:41So I figured the third and the fourth could come in if I needed another quarterback behind Joe Burrow and Cam Ward.
4:48So I'm in there to win. I think I have a pretty decent team, a couple other guys.
4:53There was another team that definitely went the same way.
4:57They have some stronger running backs with a little bit more youth like Hampton and Gentry, I believe.
5:02And I think the third running back is also pretty good.
5:05But there are other situations like other rooms. They definitely invested mostly into the running back room, but it looked like they
5:12were trying a very similar strategy in terms of how the trade went.
5:16It was a lot of the same. A lot of people looking to trade back.
5:21Not a lot of people trying to trade up.
5:24So, you know, Zig and Zach, I decided, OK, let me move up.
5:28It was fairly decent value. So, you know, overall, I was pretty happy with the result.
5:33I like this different type of build. It's a different type of way to try to contend.
5:38And I think I have a pretty decent team for for this first year.
5:42I don't feel super old either in terms of like my main asset.
5:46So I don't think that it can fall off so quickly.
5:50But yeah, it's going to be interesting. I mean, most of these guys I've never played with except one who's in Toe Clan with with us.
5:58And then Ziggy, who's also in the Toe Clan, I believe.
6:01Right. Yeah, is in that one. So, yeah. But besides that, all these guys were new.
6:06They were all good guys. Fun to talk to.
6:09You know, interesting. Some of them had, you know, pretty in not interesting, but like fun trade discussions with they.
6:15They were willing to share information and kind of, you know, go back and forth.
6:20So it was all good fun. It's what the second or third startup I've done all off season.
6:25So, you know, it's always it's always fun to draft.
6:28Yeah. Shout out to Sean T 33, who is from Scotland.
6:32He was battling the overnight pause and, you know, he did really well keeping up with with all the clocks and everything and drafted a pretty banger team.
6:40He was the one that had that Elmere and Hampton that you were talking about.
6:45And a lot of youth, a strong quarterback room, strong running back room, kind of split on the wide receiver room.
6:51We were talking about how he might have punted it a little bit too far there, but a strong team.
6:57Nonetheless, he can kind of go forward and, you know, build build around that.
7:02I think he's still got all his picks, too.
7:05So over in the other league, the Cobra League, that was one that that I went in.
7:10And you know what, man, if I'm being completely honest, like I had other drafts going on when this league started.
7:16And I was I even tried to like punt it and be like, hey, is there anybody else who wants to join?
7:23Like, I'll be the 12th man if you guys need me.
7:26And they needed me. So I jumped in and I kind of just drafted for value.
7:31I wasn't really looking to move around too much.
7:34At least that's how it started. And I was like, I'm just going to take the value pick on the board.
7:41I'm going to stick and pick every single time.
7:43And I kept my first, my future first next year.
7:47I ended up trading in a way my second, which I used to go get Zach Charbonnet.
7:52I traded that pick away to go get Zach Charbonnet.
7:55I'm trying to, trying to consciously draft more Zach Charbonnet right now because I've, I'm so in on that situation.
8:01He, he feels incredibly cheap right now, especially if I'm fading Jadarian price.
8:05I'm just going to lean in to that kind of thought process here.
8:09So the, the first two rounds I went quarterback, it went Jaden Daniels.
8:13Then I went Patrick Mahomes. Um, and then I think even in the fourth round, I ended up, I took four quarterbacks
8:20in this league, like four starting quarterbacks, Jaden Daniels, Patrick Mahomes, Cam Ward, Bryce Young.
8:24So obviously with that strong of a quarterback room, I had to kind of piece it together and other places.
8:31So my running back room is not super strong, but it's coherent.
8:34I have Kyron Williams, David Montgomery, Jonathan Brooks, Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt, Zach Charbonnet, and, um, some backup guys that I can, you know,
8:41maybe get a start or two out of them.
8:44Then my wide receiver room, I went Luther Burden, Jamison Williams, Terry McLaurin.
8:48And then it's pretty much all, you know, dart throws hoping to get one or two week starts out of them.
8:54Oh, that's right. Sorry. My very first pick was Trey McBride.
8:58That's what it was. I went Trey McBride at the, I think I drafted from the one 10, but I have a strong tight end room.
9:06Trey McBride, Mark Andrews, Eli Raritan, David Njoku, and, um, just a couple of dart throw guys.
9:11So, and I, I know we're the quick kit and we're trying to kind of go through these, but, um, I think
9:18it's something we didn't really talk about the hall of fame game.
9:22There wasn't a ton, but I have heard a lot of kind of hype for, for Beck coming out of that and
9:28how big, uh, percent might not even finish the year.
9:31Maybe who knows how much they, he even plays.
9:34Um, how do you feel about that? Cause it made me a little bit like, like, I'm not that excited for McBride.
9:41If that's the case, how do you, how do you feel about it?
9:45Since you kind of have him in, in the same exact format.
9:49Yeah. You know, like when you're drafting McBride, this was purely.
9:52Leaning into the format build here, right? Tight ends are scoring 1.75 in these leagues that we're, we're doing.
9:58So getting him at the, the one 10 felt like pretty good value for me.
10:03Even if Trey McBride doesn't hit this year, I think he's going to do enough to hold his value.
10:08You know, throughout the year, he'll, he'll still probably, he might slip a tight end spot down one, maybe two, but he's
10:15not going to fall much further than that. And I think people are still going to have this record breaking 2025 season
10:22that we had in the back of their minds of what he can do.
10:26But yeah, I mean, Carson Beck, he looked decent.
10:29He looked, he looked like a rookie, right? I mean, he, he didn't have a ton of touch on the ball, but
10:36he made the right throws and the right reads granted against, you know, probably subpar defenses and whatnot.
10:41But I don't know, like maybe, maybe they get it together.
10:45I'm not, I'm not super high on that pick at all or Carson Beck coming in.
10:50But if we can get Jacoby percent for going into the season and maybe get up to a hot start, maybe it
10:57gives me an avenue and a window to, to trade Trey McBride in season.
11:01People all of a sudden like, Oh yeah, Trey McBride is really good.
11:05It wasn't just an outlier season. Uh, and maybe the open the window opens.
11:09Yeah. A hundred percent. That's kind of how it made me feel.
11:13Definitely made me a little bit less, um, secure wherever I have Trey McBride to feel, especially as a contender that may,
11:20you know, maybe it's a, it's a move to go trade down, not super far, but if a Tyler Warren, for example,
11:26is a guy that is, you know, even undervalued by, you know, a second, a couple seconds or, you know, whatever your
11:33week, an extra running back and extra wide receiver.
11:36I think I'd tear that down right there, especially if I, if I'm a contender.
11:41So, um, yeah, I just wanted to kind of quickly get your thoughts on that, but, uh, no, good, good, good, good shout out there.
11:48Yeah. And then in this league, there's some really good, strong contenders.
11:52This guy, Kay Ryan sold his picks from the next two years.
11:56He's in the league with us for the auction league.
11:59He seems like a really strong player and he sells out, but you can tell he, he does it properly.
12:05He he's drafting youth. He's drafting into, you know, a decent window.
12:09Um, Ziggy built a pretty strong team in this league as well.
12:12And we're not going to dive into our auction league teams here, but I just want to get your thoughts on the format in general, because.
12:20You were a little, you know, standoffish on the format when we go into the first one, but then I, I went
12:27into it and I kind of, you know, got my feet wet and then I came back.
12:33I was like, dude, this is a ton of fun.
12:36Like you got to check this out. So give me your thoughts here.
12:40Um, how do you feel about the format and in general?
12:43And, and did you like it? Yeah. I mean, it's, it has been cool.
12:47It's been like different. I think what I said in the chat when we were talking about, it was like, how does my team end up?
12:55And it's ended up pretty decent. I think so.
12:58Like it is fun. And obviously it's not just results based, but it is cool.
13:03It's just a different way to draft. So it makes it a little bit more fun.
13:08I think it does obviously open up several more avenues.
13:11Like, like the way that, um, a snake draft works inherently, you just kind of have to do with what's going on.
13:18Even if you trade up, right? Like you're still having to give up assets to do that.
13:23So you can kind of build the team coming into like, what is it?
13:27We have 27 spots total, right? With the bench where, you know, once you get into like round 15, 16 in a
13:34snake, you're talking about guys that, barely matter. And then after that, you're talking about some complete, you know, bench fodder guys
13:41in a snake in this format, if you build it right, you know, your 20th player could still be a decently relevant player, right?
13:48Like you can try to realistically win the league with a thousand cuts, right?
13:52Like I don't really have any premier players. You have a ton of premier players.
13:57We're both probably going to end up being contenders and just different builds, but I think it does open up a lot more avenues.
14:04So that's fun. Um, yeah, I mean, you, you, you, you sold me, um, you know, up the river without a paddle somewhat.
14:12Cause you're like, Oh yeah, you just got to check it twice.
14:15And it's like at the beginning. Yeah. Because the noms were, you know, resetting, but like, especially now we're towards the end where so many things change.
14:24And like you get bit up on one player.
14:26Now you kind of have to not drastically change, but like, okay, now what am I doing?
14:32Like, am I flipping to two, these two other guys, that guy's bid is about to end in 30 minutes.
14:38Like you can't be checking it just twice a day.
14:41So I've definitely been way more on my phone, which has happened.
14:45And like the greatest thing as we talked with Carl and his episode about it, but I mean, I know he was in the other snake.
14:53I, he would, I think be kill it. Cause he has a very strong mind for stuff.
14:58He would come up with a great plan. Um, if you know, he was able to get on his phone enough, I
15:05know with all he's got to go down. But apart from that, yeah, I mean, it was, it was a little bit
15:11less like, eh, like, I don't know if I want to do this.
15:15And then, yeah, you, you said it was a lot of fun and it has been, to be honest, it has been,
15:22if you can get yourself on it. Um, it's definitely a different way.
15:26And it's just, uh, something new to experience in fantasy.
15:29Yeah, for sure. Like I'm, I'm all in on this format.
15:33I think it's a ton of fun. I'm excited to kind of set it aside as the season goes on or starts and goes on.
15:40And then maybe we can kind of revisit it in the, you know, the off season of the 2026 season.
15:47I'm sorry, it's 2027 season. And we can kind of bring this back up and, you know, digest some of our thoughts
15:53on it and get it out there. Cause hopefully this, you know, becomes a, a premier format or at least a much
16:00more, you know, front front stage headlining kind of format where people are getting into it.
16:05Cause it is a ton of fun guys. So if you're interested in jumping in and learning one of these things, hit us up.
16:13We'll, um, we'll let you know, we'll get you on a list and we'll, we'll open up some more of these and get them going forward.
16:21They are a ton of fun. And yeah, honestly, like if you like the idea of, you know, gaming and getting the
16:27strategy and finding your edge through strategy and stuff like that, then this is a perfect format for you because there is
16:34a ton, a ton of strategy going into it.
16:37It's like a 12 person tug of war where you're all fighting for the same guys.
16:42And when one guy falls, then you go take that money that you had allocated to them and you're moving it to another person.
16:49And then that person takes their money and allocates it elsewhere.
16:53And it's just, it's chaos. It's chaos, but it's, it's enjoyable chaos.
16:56It's a ton of fun. So if it's interesting to you, hit us up.
17:01Um, thank you again, everyone for all y'all who have been playing in it.
17:05Um, I don't want to call out any names cause I'm sure I'm going to forget somebody and upset someone, but you know who you guys are.
17:13And, um, thank you all for, for making those leagues as, as fun as they are.
17:18And we're looking forward to going into the season with all y'all.
17:22So anything else here before we jump into a break from the podfather?
17:26No, that's always, yeah. Thanks for everybody that took part in it.
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18:38We're going to go over the fundamentals of the rebuilding for a dynasty roster.
18:43Cause we, we focused a lot in this series about what it takes to, to contend in a dynasty roster.
18:49And we kind of tangentially talked about rebuilding while doing so, but I wanted to like lay out these fundamentals, which I
18:56think are kind of like the building blocks of most rebuilds, but in dynasty, best ball dynasty.
19:01There's just a, there's different ways to approach these fundamentals.
19:04And the first one I want to cover here is just value first, which is again, I think this rings true for any dynasty lineup or best ball.
19:13Protect the value, mine, the value, the goal is to accrue it any way you can.
19:18And in best ball, you can do this in many, many ways because the player pool of relevant assets is just so much bigger.
19:25And so people who are contending, who are valuing depth, it just enables you to, to move players that you wouldn't necessarily be able to move.
19:33So you can gain value from a guy who's getting three targets a game because, you know, sometimes he's got a touchdown
19:40and he's going off for, for, for 25 yards and he's scoring 10 points.
19:44And that might actually, you know, fill a flex spot here or that could be a wide receiver who got promoted into
19:51a role because the wide receivers in front of them got hurt.
19:55Like you're finding different ways to kind of mine this here.
19:58So what are your thoughts on this value first rebuild and how are you approaching it going into your, your best ball dynasty rebuilds?
20:05Yeah. I mean, I think when you're rebuilding, you need to be focusing for the future and obviously you need to start stacking picks, stacking the value there.
20:14But I think in this particular format, it's not just about like, Hey, there's almost zeros across my team, maybe besides like one or two young guys.
20:22And then I have all the picks. I have five, like five picks when you're in a start 11 start, you know,
20:29sort of league and you need best ball. Like sure.
20:32Those five picks could all hit, but then you're not really even close to contending, right?
20:37And in a lineup league, you do that and you know, you pretty much have half a roster and you're set to go.
20:44I think that value isn't just in the picks, right?
20:47You have to have some of these players that are sneaky, like not scoring a ton of value points, but can become very, very important later.
20:55So you can flip that value, right? Like if, if you're able to get a Blake Corum, a common guy, those sorts of backup running backs, right?
21:04And then they become starters. Now, all of a sudden there's a chance for you to really increase value, right?
21:10So you have to really be mining for those.
21:13I think in trades is one of the easiest ways.
21:16Like, you know, maybe you lose a little bit of value on the front end, but on the back end that, you
21:23know, you, you're very confident on a player on a Blake Corum, a common guy, a Zach Charbonnet, maybe when he was
21:29splitting time with Kenneth Walker, the third, that sort of thing where you can take a shot and really then flip the value on its head.
21:37I think when you're doing a dynasty, a best ball rebuild, I don't know if maybe you feel this way.
21:44I feel like you have to be a little bit riskier because you can't, it's, you can't just burn it all down to the ground.
21:51Like you do in a lineup league. It's too far to come back.
21:55It's too hard to get. If we're talking about, you need four to five running backs.
22:00You need seven wide receivers. You need three quarterbacks.
22:03You need, you know, at least three tight ends.
22:06If you don't have an elite one, you're talking about, you need like 15, 16, 18 players, right?
22:11Deep and maybe even more. It's just no way.
22:14If you go down to zero that through picks, you're going to do that because you're never going to get a whole
22:21drafts worth, you know, unless your name's Keegan, you know, you're just never going to do that in most leagues.
22:27So you're going to get maybe four to five.
22:30And then there's other people rebuilding, right? So it's like a finite resource.
22:34And then you can have a draft like this one.
22:37Like this was a horrendous rebuilding draft. I sold a book.
22:40We're going to get into it, but for picks in this draft and in the future.
22:45And it was just, even I knew I was trading for a rebuilder, a contenders picks.
22:50It was just a really, really bad contenders, a rebuilders draft.
22:54Like you, if you didn't have like one of those top five, six picks, you probably feel pretty crappy about your rebuild right now.
23:01You know, if you have ended up with Eli Stowers, Ty Simpson and Kenyan Sadiq or something, right?
23:07Like you weren't able to trade. There was nothing.
23:09Nobody was giving you a 27 pick. Nobody wanted those players.
23:13You know, your rebuild right now feels pretty crappy compared to like previous years where you, maybe you got a Cam Scadaboo
23:20in the back of the first or early second, you know, those sorts of things.
23:24So I think it's a little bit riskier. I don't know how you feel about that, but I think you have to
23:31take some more gambles when you're rebuilding in the dynasty best ball.
23:35Yeah, I can, I can feel that ringing, you know, with resonating in some sort of way here because it's the risk
23:41I think you're taking on is just, there's an uncomfortable feeling of the assets that you're acquiring or, and, and for the ones that you're sending away.
23:50But knowing that you're gaining value by getting multiple assets or kind of, you know, splitting an asset into multiple assets.
23:56Even if in a lineup league, you're like, man, there's no way I would send these assets ever, you know, like these
24:03three guys to go get this one guy. I'm keeping this one guy every single time, but in a best ball league, it's okay.
24:10You can do that because the goal is to have, you know, two times the number of starting spots.
24:16So it is like risky in that sense, I think is, is probably, it's just like flipping that, that lineup mode off
24:23in your head and, you know, going into the deep, dark place, which is best ball.
24:28And understanding that this is the right move, even though like it's uncomfortable, it's still the way to go.
24:34And another thing I wanted to bring up, which you were talking about was like keeping those values in those players and
24:41not just stacking them all in those firsts and burning it down to the ground and just having all those firsts.
24:47And the reason for that is, is because in a lineup league, when those first get on the clock, you can actually trade them for something of value.
24:56People are going to pay up and give you multiple assets to get that one premium asset.
25:01But in a dynasty best ball league, people aren't looking to tear up into those kinds of assets, giving up.
25:07Like, like if we're talking about the one-on-one this year, Jeremiah Love, no one's going to look at you and give you,
25:14you know, Chase Brown plus a 27 first to get a Jeremiah Love in this kind of draft.
25:20Because they're probably looking at him being like, Chase Brown is probably going to give me similar points as Jeremiah Love this year.
25:27He does, he's not going to hold that dynasty value through it, but then I still have this 27 first, which I
25:33could use in season to move to a rebuilder to go get myself two or three assets.
25:39So why would I give up, you know, what I could probably equate to three or four assets if I'm trying to
25:45contend to go get Jeremiah Love for dynasty value?
25:48Like those trades just don't really happen. So burning it down and just getting those picks, it doesn't work.
25:54You need that value stored in many ways, whether it's in these assets on your team or they could be high level assets.
26:01I think the right like place you want to be with these is like these rounds, you know, five to 10 in a startup drafts.
26:09So like the, you know, the top 60 to top 120 players, like right in there, that's a really good place to
26:16be because those are really valuable assets. Not only are they starters in a lineup league, but they're, they're cheap enough where
26:22people want them in a best ball league because they're starters in a lineup league, but they don't cost, you know, the
26:29same amount as like a round three asset or around four asset.
26:33So, um, so yeah, the, the building, the value in your rebuilding teams is important, but how you build it is especially important.
26:40Not burning it down to the ground, keeping the value in, in assets.
26:44And, and like we said, like you can get gross with it because they're gun, these, these assets are going to be
26:51movable in season when people are wanting points to kind of get to it.
26:55Any closing thoughts on the value first here, before we kind of talk about how to create that value.
27:01Do another, um, fundamental here for creating that value on a best ball rebuild.
27:05Yeah. I mean, I think when people hear rebuild, they kind of have like this one mind and dynasty.
27:11Um, I think the, the best way to think about it when you're in a dynasty best ball league is you never
27:18really want to be in a true rebuild. Obviously you don't want to be sitting in the middle, but you want to
27:25be almost like a year, a one or two year punt type of thing.
27:29Like a, like a year punt into a productive struggle sort of team.
27:33I don't really think a dynasty is best ball.
27:36You ever want to fully enter into a rebuild, um, like in the, in the natural sense, not even just burning it
27:43down, but like, you know, only keeping two or three assets.
27:46I think in, in dynasty best ball, if you have a starting roster worth of players that are decent enough, or maybe
27:53like eight to nine, if it's a real deep league, whatever.
27:56I think that's how many players you really want to keep.
28:00I understand that that's not going to get you the one-on-one and everybody covets a one-on-one, but like you said, it's that
28:06one-on-one sitting on your team is going to be very hard to then break up into two or three assets.
28:13Unless it becomes, um, you know, uh, B-Jean or a Gibbs.
28:16And even then, you know, those are, uh, like we're about to talk about, like, those are luxury items for people to
28:23have in these dynasty best ball leagues. Yeah. Think about it.
28:26Like if you're in a startup and you have the one-on-one or the one-on-two, no one wants to trade for that pick
28:33because they know what they have to trade to go get it.
28:37It's, it's, you know, similar in a best ball, uh, dynasty rebuild here where the, having that one-on-one is almost, you know,
28:43you're better off just making it and then trading that player in season when, when people will actually give you the value you want.
28:51But I like being like how you said, just like the productive struggle.
28:55Like that's kind of where I want to be in a rebuild is, is, is the more comfortable place to be.
29:01Okay. The next fundamental here is to create that value first is to tear up for value.
29:07So tearing up in best ball is a luxury and not many people are looking to do that.
29:12And as such, you usually get premium value on your multiple assets.
29:16If you're consolidating your assets into a single asset, you get better value than you would on those assets in, in a lineup league.
29:23And this is especially true if the consolidated asset is injured, right?
29:27So if you're trading for Malik neighbors in 2025 of, you know, week five of 2025, you could go give them, you
29:34know, probably like a, a T Higgins and, you know, like a Jawan Johnson.
29:38And, um, who was like a running back last year, like a Jalen Warren, right?
29:43You could package those three assets up and probably go get somewhere close to, uh, uh, a Malik neighbors.
29:49And like, if I were to say that trade, like in reference of like a lineup league, people would be like, no,
29:55there's no way I'm making that trade. I'm not trading Malik neighbors who is a stud away for that.
30:01But if people want to win in best ball, this is, these are the moves you have to make to kind of win.
30:08So when you're rebuilding, you want to leverage that.
30:11You want to go get those studs on your teams because they're still valuable to have on your team.
30:17They're still scoring tons of points, but if you can trade, you know, those three assets that don't normally equate for it and, and he's injured.
30:25So he's going to help you get that higher pick in this next year.
30:29Those are the type of moves that you're looking to do.
30:33And having that knowledge and that wisdom of, you know, like, Oh, I'm the one offering a tier down here.
30:39So I should be getting a premium on these assets, uh, having that at the forefront of the negotiations.
30:45And if people are in best ball and they, and they play, they know this, right?
30:50They they're, they're going to understand this and they're, they're going to swallow the, the value that they're losing, uh, because they,
30:56they know what these other assets mean to their team and competing this year.
31:01What are your thoughts on that, man? Yeah. And I mean, I think on top of that, right, if you're taking an
31:08injured asset, that's young, like a Malik neighbors or somebody in that like camps catapult, I guess another giant kind of similar situation.
31:15Um, or Joe burrow in season last year, I, even though he came back, um, you can always then flip and tear
31:21down again and tear down for something better, right?
31:24Like for those three pieces plus a little bit, but maybe now you tear down into two first and a player for Malik neighbors now, right?
31:32Like you're still in your rebuild. Malik neighbors is going to score a lot of points.
31:37Maybe he's not exactly what you need. You don't need a stud.
31:41Um, and somebody does, right. Somebody has extra picks, a contender has something that, you know, is not so useful for them.
31:48And Malik neighbors is now projecting to be a top, you know, right receiver one for the season.
31:53You could go and then flip and have a good value increase.
31:57That's kind of the only thing I would say is like, once you get that asset, uh, you know, once they're back
32:04healthy, that's when it's time to, you know, potentially look to increase your value by just splitting it again.
32:10Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. So tearing up for value, I think is just the, the fundamental inside of that value first.
32:16This is a, one of the key ways to create value, which is leveraging the format itself and you know, the strength
32:23of the format of, of building depth. So onto the next fundamental here, which we identified as, you know, in our best
32:30ball fundamental episode, we talked about how zeros are, there's a duality of zeros, right?
32:35You don't want these zeros on your team if you're contending, but you do want these zeros on your team.
32:41If you are rebuilding so that you can get the, that better draft pick, but not only that, like the zeros you're
32:48acquiring on your team fit well with a lineup roster.
32:51Like the, the, any RB on a 53 and any QB on a two deep are really popular strategies and lineup leagues,
32:57because as soon as those guys get promoted, they're either entering your lineup for a start or they are, you're able to trade them.
33:05But in, in this case, that zero on your, your bench is eating up a possibility for one of your bench spots to enter your lineup.
33:13So it's actively hurting you. So they're for contending best ball roster.
33:17They're extremely detrimental to your team, but on a rebuilding roster, they serve two purposes.
33:21They get you the zero that you, you, you want, you don't want the points in your roster and they have that bonus of when they get promoted.
33:30Now they're a tradable asset because now all of a sudden a contending team wants that, that person on their team.
33:36So you can trade them. Like we said, the pool for these guys is, uh, for the trading pool inside of a best ball league is much bigger.
33:45This is a good way to go about it.
33:48So rebuilding with these two strategies of any RB on a 53 and any QB too deep with the intention of trading them.
33:55As soon as one of them becomes relevant for a third or, you know, a usable player who is just injured this
34:02season, uh, whoever it may be like. It also pairs really well with consolidating assets.
34:06When you're trading three for ones and you're getting that injured Malik neighbors.
34:10Well, now you can go grab two backup running backs off the waivers or two backup QBs off the waivers.
34:16And you're reloading the assets on your roster that you can trade away later to again, consolidate, consolidate up, go grab those
34:23guys off waivers, consolidate up, grab guys off waivers.
34:26Cause these guys just don't want to be on teams and contending teams.
34:30So there's, there's more of them on waivers. Yeah.
34:33And I think a good way to do that, especially right now in the time of season that we are is paying attention to training camp, right?
34:41Like there's tons of things that don't get brought up, but a beat reporter will be, you know, talking about, for example, who's the quarterback to write.
34:49Is there a quarterback to competition? Uh, you know, just cause I'm plugged into the Cowboys as a cowboy fan is there a running back to right.
34:58I've been holding, um, what's it, what's the Malik Davis.
35:01He was the backup last year, but it's looking more and more like Jaden blue might be the actual backup to Javante.
35:08So in that sense, if that gets kind of confirmed and maybe the first game or the preseason games show me that
35:14I'm looking to church, churn Malik Davis, right? Sam how same thing with the Cowboys is currently battling Joe Milton for the backup.
35:22If I'm maybe holding both or I'm holding Sam how, and it kind of becomes clear that, you know, Joe Milton is
35:28dressing and Sam how is the emergency third string I'm dropping Sam how, right?
35:33Like he's not going to be the backup. And then I think also just taking into account, um, when you're weighing those different options, right?
35:40Like, um, is, is, even if it's Joe Milton, who has a backup quarterback is, do we think he's coming in and
35:47having any sort of real impact, right? Like, uh, you can maybe roster four or five of these backup quarterbacks and then
35:54kind of have all the lotto tickets. But if you're having to make decisions, like, you know, I would much rather be
36:01rostering Marcus Mariota than a Joe Milton, for example, right?
36:04Um, Joe Flacco, the eternal backup quarterback, obviously he's probably already on a roster somewhere, but you know, who knows, maybe somebody dropped him.
36:11Those are the type of things, right? Um, and, and then the backup quarterbacks to often hurt, um, players.
36:17I already mentioned Marcus Mariota. Um, but you know, uh, Justin Fields is a backup.
36:22I don't know if he was dropped, but he's the type of guy, maybe you get thrown into a deal as a,
36:28as a non contender that you're like, Hey, if something happens to, um, you know, uh, the homes or, and we've seen
36:35fields start before those sorts of things. Um, you know, I think that's pretty interesting.
36:40Um, and then Cooper rush, who's in the, who's a third string, but I mean, like between two of Michael Penix, I
36:47could see two of potentially running cut. So that would be like a third stringer that I might hold, but yeah, just, just being aware, right?
36:55Like who is, um, moving up these depth charts, who's doing things in camp, who are they playing with?
37:01Um, and then, yeah, like running backs, kind of the same thing, right?
37:05Like, is it, does the coaching staff, does it sound like there's a clear backup or is it just like, Hey, if
37:11this guy goes down, we're just committee or we're picking up some dude off the street, like, like what's actually happening, right?
37:18Like Denver's a great place where, Hey, I'm, I'm trying to take a shot.
37:22None of those guys are probably on waivers, but, um, in terms of trading, right?
37:27Like JK Dobbins, RJ, however, Jonah Coleman, and maybe even as like Bidet or Jaleel McLaughlin, like one of those guys behind
37:34the other, you know, top two could have some relevance is, you know, when JK Dobbins and Edward Lee goes down, right?
37:41Like we know it's going to be a committee.
37:43So there might be something to, to mind there.
37:46I'm just, you know, those are kind of the, the thoughts, um, that I have when we talk about this, like sort
37:53of, um, what are you calling it? Basics, right?
37:56Yeah. The fundamentals, right. Um, so it's not just any, any backup quarterback, right?
38:00Like obviously no, if they're the actual backup, actually, you know, running backs, the same thing.
38:05So that sort of thing. And, you know, that's something that's good Twitter, you know, not everybody loves it, but it is
38:12good for find those, um, reliable beat reporters, um, and, and follow them.
38:1632 beat writers, um, is a good account to follow that, you know, posts a lot of good stuff, uh, from training camp.
38:23So. Yeah. Zane, Zane, Zane design. I don't know if you've been following him either on, on X, but he's, he's an incredible follow.
38:30He's pretty much a one man, 32 beat beat writers.
38:33Uh, he, I don't know how he does. I think he uses AI to kind of aggregate and like search all of
38:40these podcasts and articles and then, you know, look for keywords.
38:44And then his entire Twitter feed is just all the good stuff that you're looking for.
38:49Um, great follow. If you, if you're not following him already, you should go check him out.
38:54Um, but that was a good segue into the next one here, which is stay grinding.
38:59Right. And I wanted to bring up to, you were talking about like running backs and quarterbacks, but.
39:04I think also, you know, in this off season and training camp, it's also worthwhile looking at these wide receivers, right?
39:11Because I think we all have an expectation of what these wide receiver, you know, depth charts look like, but there are
39:18some teams out there where you don't know who the wide receiver three is, or someone showing out that beats out another person.
39:25And who we all expected was the wide receiver three.
39:28And in lineup leagues, wide receiver threes on teams don't really matter a lot of times, but in best ball, if they're
39:35getting snaps and they're earning targets, then, then they do matter.
39:38Right. And Olomita Zaccheaus on the bears last year, he matter.
39:41Right. I mean, like he, there were, there were guys just like this.
39:45There was also a guy on the bucks last year.
39:48I forget who it was, but it hurts or no, he's the rookie this year.
39:53Um, there was a, no, not McMillan. There was a guy even behind them, but he was, he was relevant last year.
40:00He was getting tons of targets. I mean, he had like a, at one point, like a 2.17 target per route run over, over a couple of weeks.
40:08Like those are the things you want to look at.
40:12And right now you can capitalize on, you know, paying attention to these beat writers, knowing who's beating someone out for a
40:18wide receiver two or wide receiver three. Darius Slayton is the wide receiver two for the New York giants right now.
40:25And I'm pretty sure he's available on some of your waiver wires out there, or he's at least at the very least an afterthought and startups.
40:33You could grab him incredibly late for a very, very minimal, um, investment.
40:37And he's, he's, he's probably going to crack your lineup.
40:40You know, very famously won the, sorry to bring this up Jose, but very famously won the championship match for Mando and
40:47tow clan one against Jose off the waivers. Was scoring what, like 17 points or something like that.
40:52Yeah, that wasn't against me, but I think it was year one against Rakim that that happened.
40:58But yeah, but yeah, I mean, Mando beat me last year.
41:01So, you know, he's, he's, he's been in there every year.
41:04So, but yeah, I mean, there is, and that's happened.
41:07And that's something we've talked about. For sure. I'm plugged in and churning this, not just at the beginning, not in the middle, these things change.
41:15And especially is important for teams that have been eliminated teams that have been eliminated or turn the tank.
41:21They're playing some of these third string guys are playing some of these backups, um, in week 17 of your championship in week 16.
41:29So even then it's important in waivers to, uh, to do so like, and, and to stay on top of this.
41:35Um, and yeah, that's a great battle. I mean, you got Darnell Mooney or Darius Slayton, but then who's, who's third does Darnell Mooney beat out Darius Slayton.
41:44Then that pushes Slayton to the third or, um, Calvin Austin, Juju Smith, Schuster, Jalen Hyatt.
41:49Like that's a great wide receiver room, right? We Odell Beckham, Malachi.
41:52I mean, they have like 42 wide receivers. Someone's going to end up being the wide receiver three.
41:58Right. Uh, so, um, those sort of, we talk about biggiest backfields, right?
42:02That's a super, um, you know, coined phrase. I think ambiguous wide receiver three should start being a thing, especially in dynasty, uh, best ball.
42:10For sure. 100%. Yeah. And I also wanted to say stay grinding, especially in season.
42:14Once we start having information on who is getting the routes and who is getting the targets.
42:20I think a lot of these guys end up getting overlooked too, because people have their priors.
42:25They have their roster set. They, you know, they've, they've decided all off season.
42:29This is, this is how I'm building. My roster.
42:32This is how I'm going in the first few weeks of the dynasty best ball season are incredibly important to just digest all that information.
42:40Who's getting the routes? Who's getting the targets? Are they available on waivers?
42:44Like this is a name that no, it's not a household name and not even a household name.
42:49This is not like a, uh, a community name, right?
42:52I mean, us as a community, we have a much larger, um, vocabulary for these names, I guess, you know, like we,
42:59the, the household names are doubled in our community.
43:02And if they don't pop up in our community, but they are popping up on the sheets, go grab them because I
43:09guarantee you, if they continue to get that role or someone gets injured in front of them and their role grows because
43:15of that, you're going to be able to package them in a deal to get a more secure player for the longterm.
43:22That's the, the consolidating up as we're talking about tear up for value, right?
43:27Grab these garbage players off of waivers and then turn them into a quarter.
43:31That's all you need. You need a quarter going into the next season.
43:35So you can use that quarter, uh, with three other quarters and go get yourself a dollar.
43:40Like repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Keep, keep going.
43:43This is how you're building, um, value for, for your rebuild.
43:46And one of the best ways to do that, right.
43:49To get those quarters. Cause people are always like, nah, I don't want to do my 27 third aim for that.
43:56One thing that I've, I've learned is to rebuild a shoe for that second year.
44:00Much. So many more people are willing to be like, yeah, I'll throw you my third or in, in 28 instead, or
44:07I'll throw you a four here and a four there.
44:10Sure. Third, third and fourths are not, but like exactly as J.
44:14Mike is saying, right. Every little nickel and dime adds up to a quarter that adds up to a dollar.
44:20Right. Then that's, that's the way that you build these rosters.
44:24We're talking about for contenders that some of these people are important.
44:27Then when you're trying to get out of a rebuild, they're still just as important.
44:32You know, you're going to want them on your team or selling them off to somebody.
44:37So you can draft the next, you know, a Chris bell or new, you know, the next hype rookie that then you
44:44can turn and flip that into something else. Right.
44:46Like the, the name of the game was to, to stay in motion.
44:50Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Here's another thing that I, I like to do to create value.
44:55If for whatever reason, they, you know, there's two players in a very similar tier, but one player has a lot more
45:02hype or a lot more, you know, um, ADV, which is that, you know, the DD fantasy guys, what they call artificial dynasty value, right?
45:10Like the community is creating hype for this guy, which is creating value for this guy.
45:15And maybe there's another guy in that same tier who's not getting hype.
45:19Right. So like a good idea of this right now might be like a.
45:23Colson Loveland. Colson Loveland. Okay. Colson Loveland. I was, I was going to go Bucky Irving.
45:28Who's kind of the guy that's kind of falling.
45:31And then maybe the guy that's getting, you know, boosted up into that might be like a camp scatabot or something.
45:37Right. If someone's willing to go give you, you know, Bucky Irving plus a significant, a significant plus for your camp scatabot, like I'm okay.
45:45Like making that move. Right. Like I, I don't think Bucky is going to be nothing this season.
45:50I don't think he's going to be, you know, the same production level that we saw last year.
45:56But can I take Bucky then in season when, when points are getting scored and people are now like, okay, it's not
46:03as bad as we thought it is and move him to get me something that now with that plus I got for
46:09scatabot plus what I just moved Bucky for is now greater than scatabot.
46:13And I've split these assets, which is all what you're trying to do.
46:17You don't always have to tear up. If someone wants to pay you for a very similar tiered asset, I'm more than not.
46:25I'm making that, that trade in best ball. Like that's creating value for my team.
46:29Even if the market says that, oh, that's a bad deal.
46:33Right. Like it, I promise you guys, the, the more, the more you do those deals like that, the, the better off
46:39you're going to be, even if it feels gross or risky, like you're saying.
46:44Right. And, and kind of getting it, getting it done.
46:47Yeah. A hundred percent. All right. We're going to take a quick break here.
46:51And then on the other side of this, we're going to go over some of our dynasty best ball rebuilding rosters and
46:58kind of give you guys a insight on, you know, what they should look like and how you should be building them
47:05in a more, you know, concrete and exemplary way for, for you guys to kind of visualize here.
47:10So we'll take a quick break and we'll catch you guys on the other side.
47:15All right. Welcome back. Let's talk dynasty rosters. Why don't we go ahead and throw yours up here first, Jose, and we'll
47:22talk about your team in our league that we're in together, which is the lazy D, which stands for the lazy dynasty.
47:28This is kind of a unique league. We turn off waivers all year, except for four times a year.
47:34So we have quarterly waiver wire runs at week.
47:37Was it week five week nine? And then no, this doesn't sound right.
47:41Week four, week eight, week 12. And then once again, right before playoffs week 15, those are the only time that you can run waivers.
47:49So it kind of creates this fun dynamic where people are all active on waivers at the same time.
47:55And it creates really competitive bids for these players who have maybe been sitting out there for a while.
48:01And people, people have to plan better too, because they can't just go to the waivers and kind of replenish if they need it right away.
48:09Yeah. And as a rebuilder does make fab a little bit more interesting, right?
48:13You can, I think last year I traded, you know, half of my fab for a fourth or something like that, or,
48:20you know, it was somewhere in that neighborhood. But yeah, I mean, this team was one that, hey, you know, sometimes you
48:26do a draft and you just get horribly, you know, unlucky.
48:30I thought I was coming out of it pretty, pretty happy.
48:33I think we drafted this in 24, the off season, right before the 25 season.
48:38If I'm not mistaken, this is year three of the league.
48:41So if you could try to put your brain back there, I think I took Anthony Richardson at the end of the first round.
48:49I think I followed it up with Marvin Harrison Jr.
48:52I don't know if I need to say much more than that for you to understand how this team has gone.
48:58I think my second quarterback was Deshaun Watson, who was, you know, supposed to be a starter there.
49:04So, you know, just a comedy of just, you know, I don't think at the time necessarily bad picks, but that's how fantasy breaks.
49:11Sometimes Marvin Harrison Jr. has not lived up to what we all thought he was.
49:16He was supposed to be my cornerstone wide receiver.
49:19I went into the first season thinking I was going to be contending very quickly.
49:23That did not pan out. I got the one-on-one and this is where I learned the lesson of stripping your team completely
49:30in a dynasty best ball is just not the greatest idea.
49:33I didn't go bare bones, but I did go pretty, pretty light where now I'm coming to the end of the tunnel.
49:40I only have an extra 27 first next year.
49:43I don't have very many extra picks and I just don't think I'm going to have the juice next year.
49:49I've been trying to split an asset when Marvin Harrison Jr.
49:53still had hype. I was trying to split him.
49:55I've been trying to split Gentty. I've been trying to do multiple things.
49:59You know, some of the trades that I did make one, you know, that you were talking about was I did trade with you.
50:07And I, you know, sold off the hype on Tank Dell for a couple seconds, which turned into Cam Scadaboo and Jaden
50:13Higgins, I believe, which then kind of, you know, following the rock down the hill.
50:18That was a moment that it went up. But then I traded Scadaboo and Egbuka, who had gotten pretty good in that draft.
50:25What is now probably pretty cheap. I traded them for two firsts, a second and a common on guy.
50:31So I think Egbuka for two firsts is even though they're both late.
50:35The first last this rookie draft was the 111.
50:38I think for next year, if it's not the 110, 111, 112, I'd be pretty surprised.
50:43The guy's a pretty strong contender. So then again, even though the 27 class is a lot hyper, you know, a lot
50:50more hype around it and maybe I can trade that pick.
50:53I wasn't able to trade the picks that I had in this draft.
50:57So I took Eli Stowers with it. And then I think I took.
51:01I used a second with you to trade up to get Tyson instead of Makai Lemon in drafts.
51:07We swapped seconds and thirds. And then I have another 27 first next year to see what it ends up.
51:13But for right now, it's Eli Stowers, a 27 first.
51:16I don't know if that's even enough to get Egbuka, let alone Egbuka and Cam Scadaboo.
51:21So, you know, you're talking about a fairly lost like we're trying to talk about accruing value.
51:26I would say I did decent at the beginning.
51:29I traded, I think, Daniel Jones pretty high to get like a Baker Mayfield, who I feel like, you know, that was a decent win.
51:36So there's just been some wins and some losses.
51:39I think that's why I kind of feel like in Dynasty Best Bowl, you are kind of taking some more risks, right?
51:46Like the selling Scadaboo that he wasn't going to be the guy.
51:50He got injured. But now, you know, most people have him pretty high up, a pretty solid RB2.
51:55I think I could get, you know, maybe a first plus a little bit.
52:00Maybe somebody is looking for that. I don't you know what I'm saying?
52:04Like, I feel like there's definitely some value that was lost there.
52:07I don't feel horrible by my team in the future compared to some of the other Dynasty Best Bollies that were in, like the Toe Clan.
52:15Nobody's really accrued such a monster that it feels on, you know, a hill that you can't climb.
52:21But I mean, I think I don't even have enough starters right now.
52:25And I don't have that many picks coming up.
52:28So I'm kind of just in a situation now where I'm hoping guys like Jaden Higgins, Demon Claiborne, you know, Caleb Johnson
52:34was also a horrendous pick in that draft that I had.
52:38Unfortunately, that I picked a 201. I could have had lots of other players.
52:42But I'm just hoping some of these guys, especially the running backs, find homes that the Sean Watson maybe becomes a starter
52:49so that I can flip those into future capital.
52:52There's nobody that's a crazy rebuild besides maybe one guy that maybe has a three or four 27 firsts.
52:58So there's still plenty of them out there. So, you know, there is a chance.
53:02But like you've talked about, right, like tearing up into a gente now that his value has kind of come back up.
53:09Nobody's really trying to do that right. Like none of the contenders and none of the people that are kind of exiting rebuilds are very excited to come.
53:18You know, I think Gentry is easily three firsts or value rounding, you know, between two to three firsts.
53:24We have to still see it. But I mean, right now he's probably sitting at what the dynasty running back three or four.
53:31So I'm OK to hold that piece for as long, you know, as it is.
53:35I don't think I'm getting the 101 again as my rebuild comes out of it.
53:40And I'm OK with that. But I'm hoping that the 27 class is kind to me and gives me two starters the way that this class didn't.
53:48But yeah, man, that's kind of how I find myself.
53:51I don't know if you, you know, you wanted to do like a little live dissection here.
53:57What how do you think? Like what have you felt like those moves have been?
54:01How do you feel like this rebuild is going and or where did you want to take this with it?
54:07Yeah, I'll give you my thoughts on it. It was it was rough for you coming out of the startup.
54:14Like you said, I mean, we can we can probably flip over that and show it show how bad it actually was for you.
54:21Like if we want to revisit in time here, kind of retroactively.
54:25Let's see. You're drafting from the 110. Yeah, you went Anthony Richardson, Marvin Harrison, Chris Olave in the third round, Kyron Williams,
54:31Tank Dell in the fifth round, Rashad White in the sixth round.
54:35The first six rounds, if you look at today's dynasty value, you had not even 100 probably worth of value.
54:41So like it was, like you said, just a comedy of errors.
54:45And then another thing that I wanted to to bring up, which I feel like you touched on.
54:51Was the fact that you're I'm blanking on where I wanted to go with that.
54:55So I'm going to go a different direction. And having you have good assets here and I think that you can make some some good moves, right?
55:04Like I think Jackson Dart and Baker Mayfield are great.
55:07And like you said, like Deshaun Watson, if he gets starts to get somewhere, then maybe you can package him up and move on.
55:14And I like the idea in this league, especially with the wrinkle of, you know, the waivers moving up is as you
55:21make up these these tier up trades as you're doing it.
55:24You're asking for fab back from these guys, right?
55:27Because you know that you're going to have to be making these moves on waivers and waiver claims are not free in this league.
55:34You have to pay at least one dollar to get these waiver claims.
55:38So if you're going to have to replenish this roster and know that you're going to have to be competing against like
55:45minded managers all at the same time for these assets, like I think getting fab for this team is incredibly useful for you because.
55:53When people miss out on the waiver wires, they can't go get another player on waivers, right?
55:58They're going to have to trade for them if they need to miss or mid mid week in between waiver runs.
56:04So you'll have that ammunition by winning those waivers and then being able to trade for them and turn that fab into picks.
56:11Right. I think that's that's kind of the goal in this league here.
56:15Let me ask you something, because this is something I contemplated last season a lot.
56:20And it is one of the things where, hey, this is this is probably my biggest lesson learned for rebuilding in Dynasty basketball.
56:27So I think it's a great way to kind of go over it.
56:31But I had Dallas Goddard on my team. He was part of the trade where I packaged the Colts quarterbacks to get Baker.
56:38I got Dallas Goddard also thrown in there. And I mean, I had the tight end four of my team and I had him there all season.
56:47He was on the trade blog all season. One hundred and fifty five points that, you know, probably cost me at least a draft spot.
56:54How aggressive would you have been to trade? I did trade.
56:58I talked to every manager I sent offers. But like, would you have been so I don't know if desperate is the
57:04right word, but just needing to trade him into anything?
57:08Because like Dallas Goddard could go out here, get hurt.
57:11And then he's pretty much just a complete useless asset that I'm dropping maybe next season if he gets cut and doesn't receive.
57:18You know what I'm saying? So, like, would you you know, I started obviously high at a second.
57:23I think that's probably too much. But, you know, a contender maybe gets desperate and needs a tight end.
57:29I mean, he scored a lot of points and, you know, scored big in big moments.
57:34I mean, the first week of the championship, he scored twenty five.
57:38So, you know, it's not like he was a completely so obviously I started high, but then I went down the thirds.
57:45I think my biggest problem was not aiming for twenty eight capital.
57:48I think with how much hype there was in twenty seven.
57:52I think that's where that lesson learned of, hey, like someone's willing to give you for a, you know, a Dallas Goddard,
57:58a twenty eight third, a twenty a twenty eight second, maybe even.
58:02Right. I think that was maybe my biggest thing.
58:05But would you have taken what a loss in terms of what you thought his value was just to sell him to have something?
58:12Because at no point that really any contender come coming calling the way I would have it.
58:18You know, if this was Toclan and Goddard was out there on the team, I definitely and I had the resources.
58:24I definitely would have been calling, you know, trying to get a Dallas Goddard on my team.
58:29But nobody really did. So would you have just lowered the price to get anything like two fourths?
58:35Would you have done that? Like how low, I guess, when people have some of these assets and nobody's buying, would you would you go?
58:43Yeah. You know, it's hard. You're bringing up some emotions about this league because it's so hard to trade in this league.
58:49I don't think people don't value, you know, the proper way to build a best ball roster.
58:55And if that happens in your leagues, guys, it's it's incredibly hard to rebuild for a best ball roster.
59:00And I haven't quite figured that one out. So I'll keep you guys posted.
59:05If once we kind of pin that down, I'm in a similar league where there's just no the only trades that happen are during the rookie draft.
59:13Right. And I think that's probably what you do is you hold on to them.
59:18And once the league starts coming to the table to make trades and that's when you use them as a piece like
59:25you're probably not going to get the same values you would in season.
59:29But no one was giving that to you to begin with.
59:32Right. So then then you just take Goddard and you package them.
59:36Right. That like this is that's the goal. Like you take Goddard and you're packaging them with your second so that you
59:42can turn it into a future first or whatever it is.
59:46Oh, he said the name. He did the thing.
59:49Future first. I think that's probably the move. Right.
59:51I'm not I'm not especially Goddard where, you know, he's 31, which is old, but it's not old, old for a tight end.
59:58It's obviously not great going forward here that they drafted, you know, the tight end two of this class to come in and be his predecessor.
60:07But I still think I think especially if he at least shows out this season, which it sounds like is going to happen.
60:14People will buy into Dallas Goddard again. I think no one was buying into Dallas Goddard last year because we had seen multiple seasons of him fall off.
60:22And so no one was really like saying like, oh, like I want to buy into him as a dynasty asset.
60:29But I think if he goes out and does it again this year, which I think is very probable how their season
60:36is starting so far, at least for injuries. That you'll be able to actually get a useful thing here.
60:41Like if we're talking about an asset. That was, you know, like a 29 year old wide receiver that has at best
60:48finished as the wide receiver 52 in all of the seasons.
60:52Then, yeah, I'm moving in for anything, whatever I could get.
60:55Give me fab. Like, you know, like ideally you're giving me a pick or something like that.
61:00But yeah, anything right. Like maybe if you can move them for even like a backup running back, which, by the way, you're building this right.
61:08Look at all these backup running backs. You drafted heavily this year.
61:12You know, Adam Randall. You took Mike Washington, Katron Allen, Demon and Claiborne.
61:16Nick Singleton. You went heavy into the running back.
61:19You know, NERB on 53, which is great. Love the way you're building that.
61:23And also, I remembered what I wanted to say.
61:26But go ahead. Go ahead and finish what you want your thoughts on what I was saying.
61:31No. Yeah. I mean, I think another thing was like it didn't necessarily play out this way by intention, but I also ended up with Eli Stowers.
61:39So I think now maybe this season, if, you know, Goddard is showing promise or, you know, the offense seems to work
61:46with a tight end and either Stowers or Goddard, I kind of sell them as a package and maybe just re-roll the
61:53Stowers into a, you know, another pick in a better draft than 27 potentially.
61:57But yeah, I mean, the league is a little bit dry in terms of trading.
62:02So that's definitely made, you know, I think rebuilding, like you said, in a non-active league just makes it so much harder
62:09because then you're really, really stuck with your picks.
62:11And then if you make a bad one like Caleb Johnson or, you know, you come out of the draft with barely
62:18any value two years later like I did, you're just kind of in a situation where like every miss hurts 10 times worse.
62:25Right. Because there's, there's just no buddy out there to help you, you know, throw you a lifeline that you can then
62:32go make a positive move off of. Yeah. And I was going to say too, I think another thing that hurt you
62:39was how many points you had last season because you couldn't trade away these guys.
62:44Right. So you ended up with, even though you were like second to last in record, I think you ended up with
62:50the 105 because of just how the max points forward.
62:53And then you, like, we also have this kind of weird way of calculating how those picks go out and it just didn't, it didn't fall your way.
63:02You hate it. I know you do your vote.
63:05You're trying to vote it out at every turn of the season.
63:09We'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah. I mean, I mean the first season you almost stole Ashton Gentry from me.
63:15Almost. It was so close. I would have probably just, I've been quit the league at that point.
63:21I mean, not that Ashton Gentry has been able to revitalize my team like I had hoped, but hopefully if he has a crazy season this year.
63:29I mean, you know, I mean there was a moment last year where I would just almost said like, fuck it, like
63:36go in and try to win since I had some picks, but I was just like, there was no, nobody really to trade with again.
63:43So, but yeah, man, I mean, it's definitely a live and learn situation.
63:47You know, the league is definitely a good way to learn and like the buy-in isn't very steep.
63:53So, you know, it's something to keep around, to keep learning your lesson, how to dig yourself out of a hole.
63:59But otherwise, yeah, man. I mean, do you want to hit up your rebuild or did you have a final thoughts on this?
64:07I do. I do. Yeah. I have more rebuilding teams to choose from.
64:11This was Jose's only rebuild for Dynasty Best Ball.
64:13He's pretty good at building teams and, you know, obviously only falls into a rebuild when he gets incredibly unlucky.
64:20So let's jump over to my team here. This is a startup that happened in the 2024 season.
64:25So the same, same timeframe that the Lazy D started up.
64:28This is the Commissioner Cup Best Ball Dynasty. Everyone in this league is a commissioner for another league somewhere around the line.
64:35I drafted this team as a productive struggle. So I think I ended up selling a bunch of picks.
64:41I think I ended up selling like two startup fifth round picks straight up for, you know, 2025 first round picks in the startup.
64:49And I've made quite a few moves since, but I'm getting to a place now where I'm almost ready to come out of this rebuild.
64:56So this is a roster where I've been consolidating and making these moves that we've been talking about.
65:02And I think a good wrinkle to know about this league is that it's extremely shallow.
65:07I think we only roster 29 players. It feels shallow.
65:10I think it's usually 26. I think it's expanded right now.
65:13I think we'll drop back down. It's usually 26.
65:16So it's a shallower roster, which means the waivers are very fruitful.
65:20This is a league where I got Dallas Goddard off waivers a couple years back, and I was able to package him up into some incredible trades here.
65:28And I'm going to go over some of the trades that I did last year to kind of give you guys an
65:35insight of, you know, how to craft these moves.
65:38So on top of, you know, this pretty strong roster here where I have, you know, Jaden Daniels, Malik Willis, my quarterback room needs some work.
65:46But then I have Jeremiah Love, Omari and Hampton.
65:49I also have RJ Harvey, my wide receiver room, Malik Neighbors, Odunze, Josh Downs, Mike Evans, Jaden Higgins.
65:54Pretty strong wide receivers. I have Tucker Craft at tight end, Eli Raritan, Theo Johnson, Ben Sennett.
65:59And then the picks for 2027, I have my own and two other firsts for some pretty strong contenders.
66:05And then two seconds. And this year, my goal isn't going to necessarily come out and contend because I don't think I
66:12have those two times the starters, right? Like I got Jaden Daniels and Malik Willis.
66:17Those guys are solid starters. I got Jeremiah Love, Omari Hampton, RJ Harvey.
66:21That's five. These next five wide receivers, there's 10.
66:24Then I have 11 with Tucker Craft. And then beyond that, I'm still about 10, at least 10 to 11 players short
66:30of, you know, having that two times the number roster.
66:33I'm hoping this year is when I can start taking these assets and kind of not necessarily consolidating them anymore.
66:40But now I'm going to be looking just to kind of find that value in players where I can just stash them on my squad.
66:47And I'm going to be looking to contend next year.
66:50And while I'm stashing those players, I'm also going to be trying to build a treasure trove of picks in 2028.
66:57Because I think that's something that's extremely overlooked, especially in a best ball league, is when you exit a rebuild and you're ready to contend.
67:05You want to have a backlog of picks that now you have at your disposal.
67:09When you go into your season and you're ready to contend, you now have ammunition to put yourself over the top and
67:16contend seriously when you get in season if things go your way.
67:20And if they don't, now you have extra picks in the next season to kind of bolster your roster further.
67:26So I think this season I'm going to be looking to add a little bit of depth while also grabbing some 2028
67:33picks so that I'm well stocked going into the future here and looking that out.
67:37So some of the trades I wanted to highlight that I made last year, these consolidation trades.
67:43And here's one here where I took Dallas Goddard, Marcus Mariota, a 2026 second and a 2026 third.
67:48And I was able to get Tucker Kraft who was injured at the time.
67:52So I took four assets, consolidated them up into Tucker Kraft.
67:56Again, when you think about Marcus Mariota, he was starting for the Washington Commanders at that time.
68:01So I gave him, you know, the tight end four on the year.
68:05And then I also gave him a starting quarterback in addition to a second and a third.
68:10And I got back Tucker Kraft, which felt like a huge win for me.
68:15Another one here was here. I got Malik Neighbors in a 2027 first.
68:19And I sent away Kenneth Walker, Sam Darnold, Ricky Pearsall and Jerry Judy.
68:23So this one was a little more even, but still nonetheless, I got a Malik Neighbors and a 2027 first.
68:29And at this time, Kenneth Walker was still on the Seahawks and in committee.
68:33So like he was not valued as highly as he is now.
68:37But even if you look back at it now, this trade still favors me quite a bit just with how Ricky Pearsall
68:44has tumbled and Jerry Judy as well. But all four of those guys were startable assets last year.
68:49This guy actually won the league. I don't know necessarily because of this trade, but it couldn't have hurt.
68:55He had a starting quarterback to help get him there.
68:58So this is a great idea of a trade that's synergistic, synergizing, that word, on both sides of the trade where I
69:05win by getting the value, but he won literally by getting the championship.
69:09And then the last one I wanted to highlight here, which doesn't look as good here looking back, but at the time was good.
69:16CeeDee Lamb was hurt. I got CeeDee Lamb in a 2027 first.
69:20I sent away Tee Mack to Attaroll McMillan and Zay Flowers, DeAndre Swift, and Jalen Warren, four starters to get CeeDee Lamb in a 2027 first.
69:28Consolidating up and also getting that future capital. These are the ways that you can kind of turn that depth into value for your team.
69:36Yeah, 100%. I mean, I don't know. You probably don't want to scroll a little bit.
69:41A third for Tyler Shuck is probably not. Yeah, that was preseason.
69:44Right. Yeah. I made the pick on Tyler Shuck and then I started getting a little antsy and I was like, you know, just give me something.
69:53And the guy. But I mean, I think those are situations where people would be like, you know, but why are you trading all these players?
70:01Like, you know, but in terms of like points for right, like you're still playing that game.
70:06Like it's a lot to handle and it's a lot to manage because you're playing the points for game, but you're also
70:13trying to consolidate and then sometimes break up pieces.
70:16Like it's just not every trade is the same.
70:18It's not. That's why it's a little bit, you know, of a tricky and a bit more of a gamble, because when
70:25you're rebuilding in a traditional, you know, dynasty league, it's just like, OK, I'm just trying to get younger.
70:31All I want is young players. All I want is get all these old players and picks like if they're young and picks, that's all I want.
70:39Right. But you took on a pretty old seedy lamb in terms of, you know, dynasty value where you took on different players like a Mike Evans.
70:48Like you've taken on different players. But like if Mike Evans goes out there and he's the only person healthy, which I
70:54don't know if he is right now, but if he is for the 49ers, then you can like them package him or just sell him straight up.
71:03Right. Like there's so many things that you could do when you're getting not just young or picks.
71:08Right. That you can make a lot of different, I guess, like I keep saying, like gambles.
71:14Right. Like if you take on an older player, sure.
71:17For a rebuild, most people would be like, why do you why do you have Mike Evans on this rebuild?
71:23Like that doesn't make any sense. But it's it's just a gamble in a different way of where, you know, he's a
71:30perfect package up piece or he's a perfect just, you know, completely sell to somebody straight up for a second coming in the year coming up.
71:38Right. If he stays healthy. So I think it's it's a lot clear of a picture.
71:43And yeah, I mean, you're not there yet, but you're approaching that.
71:46And I think exactly what you said earlier about having that stockpile of picks, whether it's just because, you know, your 27 picks don't all work out.
71:55So you don't find yourself as much of a contender as you felt like.
71:59But then, hey, I still have two or three 28 picks to go on, you know, back into.
72:04Hey, I'm another year out. But hey, I have those 28 picks or hey, things turned around and played way better than I thought next year.
72:12My 27 picks are all super studs and are coming out and playing like a buka and, you know, having amazing first year seasons.
72:20Then, hey, now I can go smash and go for the the kill and try to win it with my 28 picks.
72:27I think that's something that a lot of people, they get so focused, especially right now.
72:32If you're rebuilding, you're so focused on the 27 class because that's all you hear about how it's generational, all these different things.
72:39But hey, man, like unless you really, really think they're going to nail every pick from 27 and you're not a full
72:46rebuild, like you need to be looking out further into 2028.
72:49Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm sitting here thinking about how I can trade away Mike Evans.
72:54And I'm like, can I just go get like a younger throttled asset?
72:58You know, maybe like a Rashid Shahi or like a Trey Harris and then get like a third or a couple of
73:05thirds on top of it and send away Mike Evans.
73:08I don't know. That might get done. Something I'm thinking about as you were talking about, you know, like how he's on
73:15team, how do I package him up? Yeah. But yeah, no, I mean, I think that's going to wrap us up here for the roster construction.
73:23Hopefully you guys have a better idea of, you know, what a rebuilding roster should look like.
73:28If you guys have a roster that that you think looks better as a rebuild, go ahead and send it over to us.
73:35I mean, I I'm one of the dynasty startups.
73:38We just did the best for startups. I went with the rebuilding roster.
73:42That would have been a good one to put on here because it kind of encapsulates all of these fundamentals that we're talking about.
73:49But this was one that I wanted to highlight because it had those moves in it that I think were, you know,
73:56much more better examples of how to create that value on the team as you go.
74:01So any closing thoughts here on the roster construction for the rebuild?
74:04No, I mean, I think, you know, it's it's a different animal, a different beast.
74:09If you need to do a rebuild, take it a little bit slower than you would.
74:14You don't need to do it all in one season.
74:17You don't need to do it all so quickly.
74:20Sell everything for the first pick that comes across your desk.
74:23Take it a little bit slow. Really think about really set a plan, a goal, a date in mind or at least
74:30a year in mind that you're looking to be coming out of this rebuild and what assets you're targeting.
74:36And, you know, really have a set plan rather than just say, OK, I'm rebuilding.
74:41I think in dynasty basketball, you can get in a lot deeper trouble than you can in a lineup league.
74:47Yeah, 100 percent you can. Yeah, it's it's a little bit trickier to navigate.
74:51So stay on the forefront of all these fundamentals, guys, and be sure to stay tuned in.
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