Fantasy Empire - Inside the NFFC Draft War Room
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1 hr 51 min
Duration
Estimated from transcript
Aug 8, 2026
Published
Sat, August 8, 2026
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Player insights
47
Players mentioned
Topics
Josh AllenDavid MontgomeryGeorge PickensJ.K. DobbinsJames CookMichael WilsonParker WashingtonStefon DiggsAaron JonesBreece HallBrian Thomas Jr.Brock BowersCam WardChase Brown
Player analysis
Player insights
Aaron Jones
NegativeValue87:47
The source is not interested in drafting Aaron Jones, preferring younger, more explosive players with higher ceilings.
Insight pageBreece Hall
PositiveValue77:21
The source expresses regret for not selecting Breece Hall at pick 4.11, noting he is a 'Hall guy' and would have prioritized him over Josh Allen in hindsight.
Insight pageBrian Thomas Jr.
NegativeValue30:52
The speakers note that the draft market for Brian Thomas Jr. and Parker Washington has flipped back and forth over the summer.
Insight pageBrock Bowers
PositiveValue86:17
The source advocates for a specific build with Brock Bowers: taking a bell-cow running back in round one, Bowers in round two, and then prioritizing wide receivers.
Insight pageCam Ward
PositiveSleeper61:05
Cam Ward is identified as a potential top-12 fantasy quarterback for the first 6-8 weeks of the season, similar to Daniel Jones' breakout last year, due to his talent and improved offensive surroundings.
Insight pageChase Brown
PositiveValue8:48
Chase Brown was a target for the speakers, but they noted there was zero chance he would have made it back to them in the draft.
Insight pageColston Loveland
PositiveValue78:08
The source identifies Colston Loveland as an elite tight end target in the fourth round, suggesting he is a viable alternative to building with Breece Hall.
Insight pageCourtland Sutton
NegativeValue99:09
The source is not a fan of having Stefan Diggs and Courtland Sutton as a WR2 and WR3, suggesting it weakens the team's overall build.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
PositiveValue33:25
The speakers are warming up to DJ Moore, noting they want to ensure they have some exposure to him in drafts despite initial hesitation.
Insight pageDalton Kincaid
PositiveUsage41:20
The source views Dalton Kincaid as an extension of the wide receiver room, noting that if he hits 65-70% route participation, he will 'smash' expectations. They plan to use him as a flex option.
Insight pageDaniel Jones
PositiveValue58:12
Daniel Jones is considered a forgotten quarterback going around the 16th round who looks fully healthy and capable of producing 20 points per game, provided he maintains his rushing ability.
Insight pageDavante Adams
NegativeValue22:02
Davante Adams was selected in the third round of the draft being discussed.
Insight pageDavid Montgomery
PositiveValue35:02
David Montgomery is falling to the back end of the fifth round, which the speakers consider a gift for teams that have already secured wide receivers.
Insight pagePositiveValue92:40
The source is a big fan of David Montgomery this year, citing his role and hype as a positive factor for his draft value.
Insight pageDenzel Boston
NegativeValue89:36
The source likes Denzel Boston but believes drafting him in the 10th round is overdoing it for a team that needs to prioritize running back depth.
Insight pageDrake London
NegativeValue15:25
Drake London is sliding in drafts, which the speakers attribute to the quarterback situation, though they remain unconcerned about his outlook.
Insight pageDylan Sampson
NegativeUsage50:41
Dylan Sampson is viewed as a potential third-down back due to his team's poor offensive line and negative game scripts, though recent reports have been underwhelming.
Insight pageGarrett Wilson
George Pickens
PositiveValue23:32
The speakers highlight George Pickens as a nice value pick in the draft.
Insight pagePositiveUsage76:41
The team handcuffed George Pickens, ensuring they have a viable replacement with a defined role if he misses time.
Insight pageJ.K. Dobbins
PositiveValue33:58
J.K. Dobbins is viewed as a key late-round value and a 'cliff' player, representing the end of the viable running back tier in the eighth round.
Insight pageNegativeUsage76:16
The team is monitoring the weekly usage split between Rhamondre Stevenson and JK Dobbins, planning to decide on a starter on a week-to-week basis.
Insight pageJa'Marr Chase
PositiveValue3:57
Ja'Marr Chase is being drafted at the 2 spot, with the speakers noting he is falling to the 4 spot in some drafts, which they find surprising.
Insight pageJahmyr Gibbs
NegativeValue0:41
Jahmyr Gibbs was queued early in the draft but was selected by another team before the speakers could draft him at the 10th spot.
Insight pageJames Cook
PositiveProjection28:54
James Cook is viewed as a strong asset, coming off a season with 16 and 14 touchdowns, and is part of the speakers' strategy to stack the Bills' offense.
Insight pagePositiveUsage79:25
The source expects James Cook to catch passes this year, creating a 'golden' stack opportunity when paired with Josh Allen for a combined 50-55 touchdown potential.
Insight pageJavonte Williams
NegativeValue22:20
Javonte Williams was identified as a potential target for another drafter, though the speakers noted he was taken by someone else.
Insight pageJaxon Smith-Njigba
NegativeRole12:26
The speakers express skepticism regarding Jaxon Smith-Njigba this year, citing concerns about the new offensive coordinator and the perception that he started to 'come back to earth' late last season.
Insight pageJayden Daniels
NegativeValue92:26
The source notes that Jayden Daniels' ADP has risen following the Stefon Diggs signing, making him a less attractive value in the seventh round compared to his previous ninth-round price.
Insight pageJaylen Waddle
NegativeInjury23:40
Jaylen Waddle was taken in the fourth round; the speakers dismiss concerns about his recent knee injury, characterizing it as a veteran day off.
Insight pageJeremiyah Love
PositiveRole52:09
Jeremiah Love is described as very talented and the clear focal point of his team's backfield, though the organization's questionable decision-making could lead to opportunities for his backups.
Insight pageJonathon Brooks
PositiveValue97:48
The source values Jonathan Brooks as an RB3 who doesn't need to be forced into a starting lineup early in the season.
Insight pageJosh Allen
PositiveProjection28:34
The speakers value Josh Allen highly, noting his consistency with 39+ touchdowns for six consecutive years and his role as a focal point of the Bills' offense.
Insight pagePositiveProjection57:01
The source expresses high confidence in Josh Allen, noting that no one would say anything bad about him as a fantasy asset.
Insight pageNegativeValue78:46
The source is conflicted on Josh Allen, noting that while he provides high-end upside and a valuable stack with James Cook, his teams often look 'crisper' without him due to the opportunity cost in the fourth round.
Insight pageJosh Jacobs
NegativeValue22:02
Josh Jacobs was selected in the second round of the draft being discussed.
Insight pageKenneth Walker III
PositiveValue100:21
The source is a 'Tootin truther' and likes Kenneth Walker as a key running back piece in a well-constructed team build.
Insight pageKyren Williams
NegativeValue85:41
The source criticizes the selection of Kyren Williams in the third/fourth round, arguing that T Higgins was the superior pick to complete a Bengals stack.
Insight pageMalik Willis
PositiveUsage62:51
Malik Willis is widely viewed in the industry as a cheat-code quarterback because he will likely play from behind and accumulate significant rushing yards, potentially reaching 1,000 yards if healthy.
Insight pageMichael Pittman
PositiveValue28:16
The source indicates they would have targeted Michael Pittman in the seventh round as a high-value option for their roster build.
Insight pageMichael Wilson
PositiveUsage25:30
Michael Wilson has been on the move in practice and is showing positive signs, with the team appearing more confident watching him work with the quarterback.
Insight pagePositiveUsage42:10
Michael Wilson is gaining confidence among drafters due to positive reports regarding his quarterback's performance in practice.
Insight pageParker Washington
NegativeValue30:24
Parker Washington is falling to the end of the fifth or sixth round in recent drafts, which the speakers find odd given his previous hype.
Insight pagePositiveValue76:20
The source likes Parker Washington as a WR3 option, noting he is a preferred target over DJ Moore in their specific draft build.
Insight pagePuka Nacua
PositiveValue4:02
Puka Nacua is seeing increased draft capital, with the speakers noting he is being taken at the 3 spot more frequently.
Insight pageQuinshon Judkins
NegativeInjury50:59
The source notes concern regarding Quinshon Judkins coming off a major injury and questions whether he will be a 28-touch workhorse back.
Insight pageRay Davis
NegativeUsage82:29
The source is skeptical of Ray Davis's talent but acknowledges he will play a significant role due to a lack of depth in the Buffalo backfield.
Insight pageRhamondre Stevenson
NegativeUsage76:16
The team is monitoring the weekly usage split between Rhamondre Stevenson and JK Dobbins, planning to decide on a starter on a week-to-week basis.
Insight pageStefon Diggs
NegativeValue39:15
Stefon Diggs is being taken in the 10th round of some drafts, which the speakers find notable.
Insight pageNegativeValue99:09
The source is not a fan of having Stefan Diggs and Courtland Sutton as a WR2 and WR3, suggesting it weakens the team's overall build.
Insight pageTravis Etienne
NegativeValue31:54
Travis Etienne was noted as being drafted at the end of the fifth round in some recent drafts.
Insight pageTre Harris
PositiveBreakout48:41
The source believes Trey Harris has a massive ceiling if an opportunity arises due to injury, preferring him over other options for his upside potential.
Insight pageTreVeyon Henderson
NegativeUsage43:33
Negative reports regarding TreVeyon Henderson's struggles in pass protection and lack of improvement in camp are causing the source to hesitate on drafting him in the fifth round.
Insight pageTrey McBride
PositiveValue96:49
The source notes that Trey McBride frequently slides to the fourth round, making him an unavoidable value pick for drafters who intended to go wide receiver heavy.
Insight pageTucker Kraft
NegativeInjury30:01
Despite being a big fan last year, the source expresses concern regarding Tucker Kraft's explosiveness and overall performance coming off his injury.
Insight pageZach Charbonnet
NegativeInjury87:35
The source is concerned about Zach Charbonnet's recovery from an ACL injury suffered in the playoffs, questioning his explosiveness early in the season.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
0:00Alright, welcome everybody. We are live and it's the Fantasy Empire.
0:04We're doing a Football Guys Online Championship Draft. Chris, tell us a little bit about this draft and you know, kind of the basics behind it.
0:14Yeah, Dan, 350 entry here, NFFC Online Championship. Overall winner, which will probably be us after this, gets 300k.
0:21As long as you let me run the fucking show.
0:24Yeah, well, we'll fuck it up. How about that?
0:28So anyway, today, we are, because there's four of us, we're gonna take a step back, me and Modika here.
0:35We're gonna let Nelson fuck this up with Dan and away we go, pretty much.
0:41Nice. Dan already put Jameer Gibbs on the queue.
0:44No, no, no, no. That was Chris. We've got pick 10.
0:48I am not taking the point. He might fall.
0:52He might fall. He might fall. Anyway, listen, we are in the 10 spot.
0:57You guys don't have a contract. You might hold up.
1:00We are in the 10 spot today. A lot of NFFC veterans here for this matinee year.
1:07We got Duke Viveros, who was kind enough to get off the poker table and donate another 350 to us today.
1:15Past champions, Kyle Hillesheim, Sumners in here. Razor Ramon, my guy, Razor Ramon Valentin is here.
1:20Can't wait to see him in New York. Jody Ryan, another vet.
1:25Looking forward to seeing him in New York. And Mr.
1:29Sumner is in here too, another primetime champion. So loaded field.
1:33We're looking to have some fun. We're going to talk this one out, the four of us.
1:39But at the end of the day, Nelson and Dan are in the driver's seat and passenger seat.
1:46And me and Matty are in the backseat here.
1:49You left off Rob Geist, so we've got to throw his name in there.
1:54Him too. Sorry. Sorry, Rob Geist. I was not familiar with your game.
1:59I'm sorry. Name everybody in the draft. I know.
2:02I mean, literally going to go straight down and name all 12 people, but we'll see.
2:08My guy, Steve G. How did I figure? Did I not mention a guy, Steve G?
2:14I don't think you mentioned Steve on purpose. Oh my God.
2:18He's going to kill me for that one. Steve G, a guy drafted from Greece.
2:24Checking in. My guy, Stevie G. How can I forget him?
2:28And away we go, boys. Ah, shit. Gibbs is off the board, Dan.
2:33Oh, no. There goes the cue, Dan. Oh, look at that.
2:37Chase. I've got to log out now. I don't know what to do.
2:42Chase at two. Love it. Yesterday, Puka went three as well.
2:46Yeah, Kug took him at three. Yeah. You're starting to see a lot more of Puka three and Chase actually falling.
2:54The four in some of these. I wonder if that'll be more of a trend as we get on into August.
3:01Someone doesn't fear the substation. Nope. Definitely not. Did you guys see that today?
3:0720 out of 90 players were unable to practice today for the Niners.
3:11Yeah. They're a walking mash unit. I guess so.
3:15Mm-hmm. Oh. Well, listen. Someone's getting – well, you know what?
3:19I won't say it until now. Mm-hmm. What? Someone's getting the belt?
3:23Ask the belt. PTA? Yeah. There's going to be 11 guys getting the belt.
3:28I feel good today. Yeah. Yeah. Nelson. And you look good.
3:33And you look good, Nelson. You look good yourself.
3:36Thank you. Thank you. And as Jay pointed out, we all have a great job in real life.
3:43It's got interesting. Yep. It's going to be a fun one today, boys.
3:47People feeling spicy in the daytime. Looking good, Billy Ray.
3:51Feeling good, Lewis. All right. Dan, listen. There's not too many guys here in the first round that I don't like.
3:59So I'm pretty easygoing here. You could probably pick a guy and I'll go with it.
4:05No, we got a stoppage. We got a stoppage, boys.
4:08Somebody threw the red flag up. Challenge. What happened?
4:12Somebody threw the challenge flag here. Oh, man. Oh.
4:15I think I'm so delirious from not sleeping. Matt, do you ever sleep?
4:20Well, the last few nights, my dog has just been really bad.
4:24My wife really took it last night. But in general, I'm saying.
4:29What's your average? Three hours a night? Like four to five.
4:33Oh, God damn. That's crazy. Five hours is pretty much.
4:37I get that. Strong like both. All right. Let's see what's going on.
4:41What happened? Stevie froze up in Greece? I put four guys in the queue.
4:47From the beaches of Mykonos? He just wants all the attention, the Greek.
4:52He's like, you didn't mention my name. I'm taking this draft down.
4:56We got our boy Hubbard checking in in the comments section.
5:00Billy Waz, the goat. Jay Wimmers. Bunch of other guys.
5:04Duke, come on. Yeah, who said it? Billy is really sneaky funny.
5:08I have to say. Yeah, he really is. No doubt about that.
5:13Show the coffee. Okay, here you go. Yeah, you get Billy in New York and get a couple of drinks and cocktails.
5:21Yeah. Billy's the guy you want to get around right there.
5:25All right. Yeah, let me see. Let me see.
5:28New York drafts. Right. Chase Brown was the pick the whole time?
5:33Yeah. Yeah. Give him my home, Kyle. Yeah. Chris, did you see the question on the New York drafts there?
5:40I did not. I did not. I'm wondering when they start, they want to come watch.
5:46Absolutely. So I'll let you provide that information. Now, do you charge for guys to be on the rail, Chris?
5:53Standing room only. Outside seating only. You got to pay to get in.
5:58I gave him free food and free drinks all day and night for people that aren't buying a seat.
6:05All right. We're on the clock. Can you do it?
6:09Love the top of the queue there. Guys, quiet down, please.
6:13Let Dan and I handle this. All right. Dan, who do you want?
6:18Top of the queue. Good. Fire away. You want me?
6:22Oh, wait a minute. I'm firing away. Yeah, you fire away.
6:26Okay. At least it's the top of the queue.
6:29So if we F it up, it'll still work.
6:32Yeah. We just got to make sure we keep Chris and Matt under control and let the adults handle this draft when we're on the clock.
6:42Right. Wow. All right. So James Cook, we start off with.
6:46Okay. A little. All right. I don't like that guy, Dan, in the queue.
6:51But I like the next two. I'd go with the top one.
6:56I like the top one a lot. Okay. Easy.
6:59Easy. Chris is not going to like this pick.
7:02Good Lord. Yep. Yep. This is not a Chris team.
7:06I can tell you guys that much. Well, I can tell you this much.
7:11I told me we weren't taking any old guys.
7:15Next week, your turn is coming, Chris. We'll tell you everything about how bad your team sucks.
7:21Yes. Yes. Okay. So outside of the Greek, I mean, pretty much.
7:25Yeah. Yeah. Well, you knew Steve was going to come in and do something fun just to kind of shake up the room a little bit.
7:35So and you knew that that Chase Brown was not coming back to him no matter what.
7:41I mean, there's there's zero chance he would have made him back.
7:46So you got to like it. Now, I'm not a huge fan of JSN this year.
7:52But why? Why is he dropping in drafts? I've noticed that the last.
7:57I think you've scared everybody off. Yeah. I mean, listen, it just makes sense.
8:02And every everybody that you hear with the JSN doubt the new coordinator.
8:07Right. You know, that's scaring people off of it.
8:10Can I say something about that, Chris, though? Yeah.
8:13Go ahead. He's pretty much he was together with what's his name that's coaching the Raiders now.
8:20Now, he was what he was with him in San Francisco.
8:24One of the reasons they said they brought him there is keep the same thing intact.
8:30I mean, I think the defense is worse. You could say Shahid and others might infringe.
8:36But I think they got a throwball. Running game bad.
8:39That's the positive for it. I think people have tepidation because of watching the Eagles.
8:45That's a big word for you. I broke out the SAT words today for the live stream, guys.
8:51But the Petulo in Philadelphia the whole year last year is fresh in people's minds.
8:57And, you know, a smart offensive coordinator handing over the reins to, you know, an understudy.
9:03That's I think that's what's scaring people with JSN.
9:06That could just be my two. That's just my two cents.
9:10That's kind of where I'm at on it. It's it's more of the, you know, the coordinator for one.
9:17And then just the fact that he, you know, he did kind of start coming back to earth a little bit.
9:25London seems to keep like, you know, sliding a bit in these drafts lately.
9:30He seems to be living in the middle more towards, you know, the turn area where he was going.
9:37And that can only be because of the quarterback situation.
9:41I know, Matt, and a couple of you guys have all said that you're not that worried about it.
9:48You have two outs, right? Because of two and panics.
9:52And London was just fine last year with panics.
9:55I don't know. You know, I guess that's the only reason he's falling deeper into the middle of the second round.
10:03I told you guys on our show the other day, I got him 22nd overall in a draft a couple nights ago.
10:11It's going to be in what room you're in.
10:15Oh, hello. Ramona. Oh, hello. Ramona was the last time I seen Ramona.
10:19We're live. He was making it fun. There you go.
10:23All right. Nelson, who do you want to throw in the queue there?
10:28Let me see. I have a little tepidation on this pick.
10:32Word of the day. You can use it, Nelson.
10:35Take your spell, tepidation. Use it in a sentence.
10:39Sentence. Spell it. Can you? What origin is it?
10:42All right. Those are the guys I like pretty much in any order.
10:47All right. We're up. I'm good with either of those guys.
10:51Matt, Chris, you want to break? I would take the top.
10:55I like both of them. It really don't matter.
10:58I wasn't even looking. I was not even looking at.
11:02You got 43 seconds. Yeah, we got plenty of time.
11:06I would go with the first one, guys. Okay.
11:09That's who I would say. I'm in on that.
11:12Okay. See, this is easy. Yeah. Piece of cake.
11:16We're not even arguing about picks yet. And we had some really nice options.
11:21We had some really nice options there to boot.
11:24Yeah. That we did. I'm going to get somebody in the queue here.
11:29There we go. Oh, yeah. There you go. I like that guy.
11:34The second guy. Very nice. I knew you would.
11:37So, Team 12 started out with the three wide.
11:40Team 8 got their first receiver with Ladd. Rashid.
11:44I didn't think Rashid. I don't know if Rashid is really.
11:48If the syndicate agrees on Rashid. That might be.
11:51No, right. I see Nelson. If we have any right shares in our syndicate, it's going to be from Steve.
11:58This has to feel odd. Nelson, how many leagues have you guys been on opposite teams this year?
12:05This summer so far? Somehow Steve has found a way to get in drafts with me present against me twice this year.
12:13Twice. Okay. Which is kind of fucked up. Because it's like, you know, we're supposed to be partners and somehow he's in here.
12:22He's just going to draft an all non-Nelson team today just to piss you off.
12:27Get his shares in. Well, that and it's going to raise warning flags because he's going to draft a shitty team.
12:35Right? It's going to be all players I'm fading.
12:38So, it's going to be shitty. And then people are going to be like, oh, you know, he's punting off this team, you know, to help Nelson's team.
12:49Oh, man. Question here. Greg's inbox is going to be filled up.
12:53Of course, if that was actually the case, that's exactly what we would expect Nelson to say right there.
13:00It wouldn't be. Well, you said earlier, Nelson. Correct me about that.
13:05Nelson, correct me if you already said it was an 11-man league with Duke in here.
13:11Correct? Correct. Yeah. And now it's a 10-man league.
13:14Now it's a 10-man league. We're dropping like flies over here.
13:18It's really – It's good to get the rake paid.
13:22Devontae Adams in the third. There we go. Jacobs in the second.
13:26Adams in the third. Bye. Everybody was going to come for a fly meatball.
13:31Now I have a question. Lamb Jefferson, great star.
13:35Hold on. Hold on. Can I predict Duke's picks here on the turn?
13:40Do it. Do it. All right. He's going to take Javante Williams as one of his picks.
13:46And, okay, he took Garrett Wilson. Now go ahead, Duke.
13:50Take Javante Williams here. You know he's not just because – Yeah.
13:54Just out of spite of it. Yeah. You knew that was – He took your boy.
14:00And he took your boy. Yep. That's all right.
14:03Oh. I got to say, Matt, I don't know if you were going to just about to talk to about Team 12,
14:12but I'm going with George Pickens where – Yeah.
14:15That was my question. Right there. I was like, especially with Jefferson, that's nice.
14:20Yeah. Wow. Fourth round Jalen Waddell today in this one, which you don't see too often now.
14:26Yeah. Yeah. That's a stupid blurb. He hurt his knee.
14:30He's fine. He's banged up. Yeah. Yeah. The muscle.
14:33Yeah. His muscles were hurt. It's a veteran day off.
14:37Yeah. All right. Oh, I forgot it. I put a guy in, but I realize he might be over 30, so I might need to take him out.
14:47Just make sure you got Ferguson at the top of the queue, Dan.
14:52I moved him out already. Shout out to Ramo.
14:56He is going full Boomer Bowl here. Yeah. He is not messing around.
15:00Yeah. All right. Nelson, who are you putting in the queue here?
15:05You guys like those guys in the queue? I do.
15:09I like probably two and three more, but we'll see.
15:12We may not have a choice. I don't think this guy makes it to us, but – Yeah.
15:19I mean, I was going to put him in.
15:22It's not going to happen, but – Yeah. I'd like to add this guy right here that I just popped in, but that's just me again.
15:32I just put the fourth guy in in case we don't have the second guy.
15:38Then that makes it interesting. It's tough. It's tough for someone like me and Matt to sit back and not put people in a queue right now.
15:48It's good. It's all part of the fun. I mean – So I have a little bit of an idea.
15:55Okay. Okay. But we got to wait until it comes to our pick.
16:00No, I can't even say it out loud because these fuckers are going to stream snipe us.
16:06Just do what you think you should do. I'm going to – Okay.
16:11I think we should take this guy that I just moved to the top of the queue.
16:17Yes. I agree with that. Because I have an idea if it works out on the turn.
16:24Okay. I do like the fourth guy too, Chris.
16:27I am with you on that. But I'm good with the top guy.
16:32I need to get some exposure and this is probably a good chance.
16:37What do you think, Chris? That's probably your least favorite?
16:40Give me one second. I wanted to try and stay out of this as much as possible.
16:47But, yeah, I totally understand your thought process. I'm good with that.
16:51Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm good with that. What do you think, Dan?
16:55You're good with the top guy? Top guy. I need some exposure.
17:00All right. Yep. And now we'll see if these guys on the back end cooperate.
17:05See what they do. We got three nice ones in the queue.
17:10Now four nice ones. So – Mm-hmm. Everybody was coming.
17:14I love when I watch these live streams. And I think Brees is great value.
17:19End of fourth, by the way. Watch these live streams.
17:23And people are in like the fourth round and they're like, board's dried up.
17:28It's gone. There's nothing left. Yeah. You know? We knew that was going to happen.
17:34It didn't work. But you still got Cook and Allen and you're basically locking in.
17:39Josh – You got all the touchdowns. Six years in a row, 39 touchdowns or more.
17:45Cook's coming off 16 and 14. You know? Yeah.
17:48We got all the touchdowns from that offense. So now for me, it's the three guys there I could go with any of those three.
17:58Okay. Let's see. I think – I would go three.
18:01Can I just – I'll just say this. I would go 3-2-1.
18:06Okay. Matt? I would go 3-1-2. And I would actually – Okay.
18:10Yeah. That's all I'll say. If those are your top three and you want my opinion, 3-2-1.
18:17Yeah. All right. So Matt and Chris like three?
18:20The best? I'm good with three. You good with three?
18:24Yeah. Mm-hmm. Now, it's funny because everybody loves Parker Washington, myself included.
18:28Matt, I know you have your jersey hanging on the wall already.
18:33But what's crazy is you started to see him fall to the end of the fifth in a lot of drafts and
18:41sometimes even the sixth in some drafts in the last week.
18:45And you would think it would be the opposite.
18:48So that's just something odd that I'm seeing. Yeah.
18:52I mean, it was kind of weird early on, like in June when we first started doing these live streams and I was on with Nelson.
19:01He was ahead of BTJ. I said it's going to flip.
19:05It did flip. And then it flipped again back to Parker.
19:09So, yeah. I guess it also depends on where the running backs go.
19:14Like some of these, you'll see the running backs get pushed.
19:18You know, I know what it was like a week or two ago where like ETN went 5-11.
19:25Chris, I think that was what we did with you.
19:29Yeah. You know, there was all these running backs at the end of the fifth.
19:34That's cool. I still like the Josh Allen pick there.
19:38Like I said, I think you get a huge part of the Bills offense if you think they're going to still be good and put up the touchdowns.
19:48Touchdowns are king. I agree, Matt. The reason why I thought of him is because I like him at the 4-5 turn.
19:56We had James Cook. So, you know, just grabbing all the touchdowns from Buffalo if that offense is really good again this year.
20:05And then if they let us have DJ Moore, I would have liked like, you know, kind of completing that stack.
20:13Do you guys think Moore starts to move up a little?
20:17I think he's good. Like the buzzing camp and stuff?
20:21I'm starting to warm on DJ Moore. I didn't think that I would have any shares of DJ Moore this year.
20:28But the more I think about it, he's one of those players.
20:33And we all have them, you know, the players that are just in that pocket of like, I don't want to be overexposed to these.
20:42He's not going to be one of my guys where I have a lot of shares in and I'm looking for him in drafts.
20:51But I also now don't want to be zero shares.
20:55So I want to get him in some drafts here.
20:58He's going to wind up being that guy for me.
21:02I would have thought Montgomery would have been living like early fifth.
21:07But he seems to, you know, keep falling to the back end of it.
21:12Nelson, if you follow him, they're not. It's a nice gift for team four.
21:17I mean, you know, they go four straight wide receivers and then you still got David Montgomery that late in the fifth.
21:25It's, you know, that's a perfect situation. And that's kind of what we're talking about.
21:31Yeah, shout out to Jody. I've been watching, he's been the last couple of weeks, he's been in the streets every night.
21:39He's been playing some good teams together. Jody's firing on a, you know, he still can't get a top five pick.
21:47I know that one. But Jody's firing every night.
21:50Jody's been in enough drafts of mine. So he's got the blueprint.
21:54He's got the blueprint. There you go. But that's the thing.
21:58Speaking of your cult following Nelson, nobody's following. You haven't got the cult to follow bringing Montgomery up the board a lot.
22:07In these drafts, you know. By the way, you just see Ramon go four running backs in a row.
22:14That's the second I was going to talk about team eight with four running backs.
22:19This draft is a little wild. No doubt about it.
22:23That's good news for us, though. Let them get those running backs.
22:27We'll take those wide receivers instead. Good. Yeah, we got team two and team eight with four running backs.
22:34It's like the boomer draft for sure. AAIP cards getting handed out.
22:39Uh-huh. F them wide receivers. The queue is empty.
22:42Hey, you guys got to start filling it up.
22:46What are you guys doing? You sleeping? Is Derek in the chat?
22:50Is that Duke's like burner account? Team one is on fire?
22:54Yeah, that's got to be. It's a burner. You know what?
22:58You know? And since I'm running the same. Fire is up in flames?
23:03I can actually put that user in a timeout if we need to.
23:08Let's see. All right. Yeah, he's admitted to being Duke's burner account now.
23:13All right. Who are you liking here, Nelson? Let's get some names in the queue.
23:18What do I like? I like... Strong bias to number two so far.
23:23I like the way you think. Billy Waz, do you still have the Don at the GST?
23:29Billy Waz has been drunk off the Don about eight years in a row now.
23:35Yes, Billy. For you, I'll always keep it on the menu.
23:39Was that the iced tea drink we had? Yeah, it's that.
23:43Yeah, that was good. Iced tea vodka. Yeah. That was really good.
23:47I might switch the name to the Billy, actually.
23:51You could. Call it the Billy Goat. There you go.
23:55There's where Diggs belongs. Stevie Smiley. Now we're firing.
23:58Stevie is smiling as he was taking them in the 10th round of Emmy drafts for the last couple of weeks.
24:06All right. All right. Top two guys for me.
24:09I'm good either way. I kind of like the third and fourth guys, but out of the top two, probably second one.
24:17Do you guys have a preference? Matt? Probably two and three for me, but I'm open to all four.
24:24I think three comes. Yeah, I agree with that.
24:28I would like two. I would take two on this.
24:31I like two, too. Yep. Two makes a lot of sense.
24:35Just because that's running low. That position right about now in my eyes.
24:40Yep. These eyes. So I haven't had any. I'll wait till you guys make your next pick here.
24:47Yeah. And Matt, entertain us with some more Guess Who concert here.
24:51Yeah. I didn't even see team four. We got two teams with four running backs.
24:57Yeah. That's what I mean. Last night in the OC I was in, they were going running back heavy.
25:04Like, it wasn't four, but everybody had like three running backs, it seemed like.
25:09And I was there with like none, and I was getting a little nervous at one point, you know.
25:16But it worked out. Yeah. Okay. That didn't work.
25:19Yeah. Well, there are other options. I like the players team 12 has taken.
25:25I just. Yeah. Yeah. I would have just did it differently, like, you know.
25:30But, you know. Michael Wilson has been on the move.
25:34Everybody seems a bit more confident watching, which is the kid from Miami throw the ball in practice.
25:40Oh, yeah. Get reviews. Yep. All right. So here in the seventh round, my question is, do you want to go five wide and just punt RB2?
25:50Or you think there's an RB that you want to take here?
25:55I don't mind the top one in the queue.
25:58If you're going to go five wide, yeah. That one that you have is a good option.
26:04I don't mind going five wide. It all depends on your guys, you know.
26:10You're driving the boat today, Dan? I'll take the top guy, Dan, if you like him.
26:15Five seconds, guys. Okay. Do it. Yeah. I think that, you know, that fits in well as a stack.
26:22I wouldn't. Otherwise, I'd have probably gone with a guy further down the list.
26:28But. I'm receiving DMs. My Greek is taking everybody to school.
26:32That's got to be. That's got to be Spiteri from Italy.
26:36No, it's not Spiteri. That's going to probably nail it.
26:40If I gave him a guess. In your DMs right now.
26:44My Greek is taking everyone to school. Shit. Those two really need to be parking their yachts in the same bay at some point.
26:53They'll really live in the good life, those two.
26:56I call Paul European Paul. I said that's a nickname.
27:00Guy's been in Europe three times this summer already.
27:03He's got it better than him. Remember when it's something about Mary?
27:07He goes, who the hell goes to. Where the hell was it?
27:12Brazil or whatever. He goes, Santiago Chile in two years.
27:16And Paul goes to Europe like twice in two months.
27:19Guys, did you think about Dan and Nelson? You know, when you made.
27:24Yeah, I didn't even. I didn't think about it.
27:27But that's the way we should have probably went.
27:31Did you make. Did you think about going wide receiver?
27:34The fifth wide receiver. Only with team eight and team two.
27:39Probably out of the running back business. And maybe thinking that.
27:43A lot of people to the left of us now go more yellow this.
27:48This time around. And maybe we get two running backs on the way back.
27:53Did you think that way or no? That's what I was thinking was that.
27:58I didn't think there was like anyone of value that we needed to take there.
28:04So take the fifth wide receiver. Build that up.
28:07I was for the running for the receiver you had highlighted.
28:11Yeah, I was. I was as well. And I would have took Pittman.
28:16I would have took Pittman there. Pittman wasn't the guy I was looking at.
28:21I see him. He starred on the. He just went.
28:25Jody Reed would have been the guy I would have wanted.
28:29Yeah, that's the guy I've been taking more and more.
28:33How do you feel about that Green Bay room, Nelson?
28:36I noticed. Yeah, you're a Reed guy. You're also a Watson guy.
28:41Does that make you not a golden guy? Or not to be confused with Dan's golden showers.
28:47But there's golden right there. I agree. That's a nice thing.
28:51You like the whole Green Bay receiver core. Yeah.
28:55Look at that. The Gambler. That's who was saying my Greek.
28:59Yeah. Oh, yeah. Warren and white. Yeah, but I've been trying to increase Reed because I was taking golden over.
29:06Reed for quite some time. And now I've flipped it.
29:10Okay. That's how you feel. You're a Reed over golden.
29:13To even it out. And then I'll throw in one more.
29:18Are you all in on the all foursome with Kraft as well?
29:22Tucker Kraft. I'm still. So I was a big Tucker Kraft guy last year.
29:27Yeah. But this year coming off the injury, he relies so much on his experience.
29:33Explosiveness. I still have doubts. I'm still worried a little bit about him and how good he can be.
29:40Yeah. I mean, the other three, one of those guys goes down or gets hurt, misses some time.
29:46I have those four. The other three are going to be huge values on the board, especially Reed, Golden and Kraft.
29:54They're all going to be moving on up value wise from where they go on the board.
30:01See, now the guy you just put in the queue, number three.
30:05I think I like him better than Golden. We'll wait for him to be off the board.
30:11So he just did. Speaking of devil, he shall appear.
30:15I just think, you know, he's proven in his first two years.
30:19I know last year the offense was just a disaster.
30:23He spent pretty much the offseason with Kyler and he's got a track record.
30:28And I'm going to go with him probably over Golden or Worthy.
30:33I think they both have really big upside, both those players.
30:37That's disappointing. All right. I think I like either two or three.
30:41Four is also good. I think one of the last three will make it back around to us easily.
30:48I would. Yeah. Well, you guys like two or three, two or three.
30:53No. Let me see. I'm kind of more in the one or four department.
30:58And then we could be like done with that maybe.
31:02And let me see who else is. I agree with Matt on that one.
31:07I'm one or four here. Let's go four then.
31:11Okay. You want four over one? Yeah. Either way.
31:14I'm fine. Take your pick. Yeah. I agree with that.
31:18Yeah. I like Dobbins a little bit more than the – Yeah.
31:22The other guy. Okay. I just feel we're at a point where nobody was popping in the others.
31:29We can get out of those top two if we really want them.
31:34We can get them on the next round. You know what I'm saying?
31:38Now we've got to decide if we want to take – I tend to – Tight end or fifth wide receiver.
31:46I think that's the call here. Well, we'll find out.
31:50Yep. Mason went. Not a surprise. I kind of think for me it's the tight end because there's really good ones here.
31:58Yep. You know. All right. I'm looking to whatever.
32:01Do you want Kincaid just because of the stack or do you think Fannin or LaPorta are just – So that's a
32:10great question and I know we're on the clock.
32:13We have a little time here. Yeah. We could get Kincaid on the way, but we're not now that we're talking about it honestly.
32:22But to complete the stack, you know, to come back around.
32:26But there's no way I'm taking Kincaid over Fannin.
32:29Exactly. I had this a week or two ago when I actually did the build stack.
32:35I would go LaPorta over Fannin. That's just me.
32:39And I took Fannin over Kincaid and Kincaid did come back to me.
32:43But I was like – I like Fannin over LaPorta and Kincaid.
32:48So right now Dan and I are tied. You guys have to break it.
32:53Fannin. Chris, you break it. Fannin for me. Okay.
32:56Yeah. I also like that – I also like that other player that was in there.
33:02I think he was second on the list. Yeah.
33:06Mm-hmm. Yep. I like him too. It's weird because this is my first Josh Allen team of the summer and it just
33:14feels weird always keeping your eye on – you know, as the rounds go on, you're always keeping your eye on quarterback.
33:22And this is the first time I got to keep reminding myself like, all right, don't look at quarterback.
33:29We got Josh Allen. So it's a different mindset.
33:32Well, this is the sweet spot right here. This is where quarterbacks go off the board.
33:38Yeah. Mm-hmm. I just still don't get how Fannin goes in the ninth round.
33:43I just – I mean, I think LaPorta should go hard too.
33:48But I – Fannin, you know, everything he did in college, the rookie year, I understand the quarterbacks suck.
33:55The quarterbacks suck last year too. So I'm going to assume that you guys would have liked this team because like I'm
34:03always looking and like trying to do trade-offs and see how to structure and build the team.
34:09And if we had gone Brees Hall instead of Josh Allen and then we take Trevor Lawrence on that turn instead of
34:18Dobbins, you guys would have liked that team better, right?
34:21I mean – Me. I like the way it went now through eight rounds getting Dobbins there to complete a running back room of three, you know.
34:31Now we got Dobbins and Stevenson that we can rotate in with Cook and then, you know, a top eight tight end in my opinion in Fannin.
34:41So I like the way it was built out.
34:45So I'll never say, all right, you know, if I go back the other way.
34:50Brees Hall there would have looked nice, but I'm good with this.
34:55Yeah, I do like the team the way – like I said.
34:59That's the thing is like we talk about building it, you know, backwards.
35:04And, you know, usually from the back end, you know, it's not as easy, you know.
35:10But I think it worked out. When you get in that position though when we were on the clock before we took
35:18Josh Allen, that was my exact thought that Nelson brought up was, okay, DJ Moore is still on the board.
35:25Josh Allen we got some value on right now.
35:29Let's take Allen and we're five picks away from completing a Bills stack here.
35:34And then I would move up, you know, Kincaid later on and just go with a full Bills draft build there.
35:42Matt, it's similar to what you did last night with the Bears, which is why I – I did the Bills stack too, though.
35:51Yeah. I did that like a week or so ago.
35:54And, you know, we just didn't get more. He didn't come back to us.
36:00Yeah. I thought it was the right move again, you know.
36:04Yeah. You know, we're not going to take Josh Allen that often, but there are certain times where, you know.
36:11And look, when we took Dobbins, which was the right pick in my opinion for sure, after Dobbins, we were debating Dobbins or Jordan Mason, right?
36:21Yeah. Now, you know, Mason goes, I'm not a Chuba Hubbard guy, so Hubbard comes off the board at Team 12.
36:28And then there's not a green sticker for the whole entire round.
36:33The cliff ends right there. We talked about it on the show the other day.
36:39J.K. Dobbins and Mason are usually the end of the cliff.
36:43Chuba usually goes out a little before them. But that's it.
36:47So we couldn't afford to take another position there, whether it was tight end or wide receiver.
36:53No, no. That was like me last night in the OC.
36:57After I took Caleb in the eighth, whatever, you know.
37:018-8. I was sweating coming around until I picked, you know, that 9-10 turn over there.
37:07And, you know, luckily I got Dobbins and Mason.
37:10So I was happy about that. Guys, I know we're a couple picks away, so we'll hand it over to you guys to start putting your thoughts together.
37:20All right. All right. So we got to start building up some depth, Dan, a wide receiver before it gets kind of ugly.
37:29So let me add a couple of guys here.
37:32I'm surprised you guys don't have this guy in there.
37:36Yeah, I was about to say that, Chris. I just put him in at the end.
37:42I would just throw out here, are we interested in the second guy in the queue and then address that after the turn?
37:50I think that's just a thought. I think we might be able to push the second guy on a round.
37:58Actually, yeah, true. I mean, I guess. Yeah. I think you're right, Dan.
38:03I think the last guy, Chris, I definitely – I think this is a good spot for him.
38:09I just – Yep. I've kind of like fell out of love with that guy, to be honest.
38:16I'm all out of love. But do you think the second or third guy are better than the guy you fell out of love with?
38:25I guess that's the question. No, I mean, the last guy is probably the better option.
38:31Okay. The last – yeah. Well, he's not the last guy anymore.
38:36Right. Yeah. I know who you mean. You're the last in line.
38:40Yes. Matt's on a singing thing. All right, guys.
38:43So interesting pick here. We could complete – I think you've got to go top.
38:49Top guy. Top guy. That's the – he's on what, a five?
38:54He's like the golden of, you know, taking that.
38:57If you're willing to take a shot on that guy, I think you're willing to take a shot on him.
39:04Yeah, I like that, guys. At this point, as our five, just to see it, it's a small wide receiver tree over in Kansas City.
39:14I mean, but that's the thing. We've all been burned, yes.
39:18But you know what? This game, you've got to play with no memory.
39:22Right. Right. This is another year. And I think if he makes it back around, the top guy?
39:29I'd be down for that. Yeah, as well in the 11th round.
39:34Yeah. I don't know why we wouldn't. Let's see.
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40:10We'll talk about some of these builds here. There we go.
40:14Perfect. All right. Yeah, I think we just smashed that.
40:18Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Now, like I said, Team 3 here?
40:22Have to. Have to. They are, you know, they're going all in.
40:26Leaning into it. How many wide receivers do they have?
40:30Six of them. Six of them. Yeah. And Bowers.
40:33Duke's got six. They're trying to corner the market on the wide receivers.
40:38I mean, Duke's got Judkins and Lloyd. What could go wrong?
40:42Yeah. They're running back for him. Marty Smith checking in.
40:46Good old Marty. Hey. There's Marty. Marty. So, I mean, look.
40:50We got Cook. Steve G. Starting wars already. Starting wars.
40:54Mac, Ed, you had something to say? I had one more thing as well.
40:59What I'm saying, we basically got everybody but DJ Moore.
41:03I mean, I would like to have gotten more, but we got, you know.
41:08We did get Kincaid. The Kincaid pick is an easy one for us.
41:13Not only that, we could treat Kincaid, if Kincaid gets off to a great start and he's finally the Dalton Kincaid that
41:21we've all been hoping that we've been drafting him as the last couple of years.
41:26You know, it's like we treat him as our fifth wide receiver.
41:31We could flex him out. We talked about that on the show the other day.
41:36We have two top ten tight ends now on this team.
41:40I mean, Bannon's our starter. But when need be, and if Kincaid is hot and maybe, you know, Worthy is a bum
41:49still and either Godwin gets off to a slow start or whatever, we could play Kincaid at flex.
41:55So, we're deep at the – you got to start looking at these top ten tight ends as a fifth wide receiver
42:03in a lot of these drafts, in my opinion.
42:07I saw that in the prime. I was hoping.
42:10It's the extension of your wide receiver room, you know?
42:14Yeah, Chris, I agree. If you listen to everything the Bills have said all offseason, they just keep pointing out that they
42:22were a better team when Kincaid was on the field.
42:26They need him this year. You know, he seems healthier.
42:29Again, if he can get anywhere to that 65%, 70% of routes and can stay healthy, he's, you know, he is going to smash.
42:38So, I mean, I like that a lot. I think that worked out.
42:43And look, you got to take the shot on Worthy there, where we took him.
42:49Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, I thought the last – I thought the last four rounds our picks were pretty easy
42:57in terms of what stood out obviously as a top clear pick to me in all four rounds.
43:03So. Yep. Yep, agree with that. Again, like that seventh and eighth round, getting the running backs, you know, looking back, taking Stevenson was probably the right decision.
43:14Because Mason wouldn't have made it back to us.
43:17We would have been Cook Dobbins. I mean, we could have figured it out, but it would have changed our plans.
43:25Mm-hmm. You guys buying into this, and I'm interested to see if the board starts showing it more, but all this negative
43:33news about Trevion Henderson in camp now. Like, no improvement, still struggling to pick up, you know, blitzes and everything like that.
43:41If it starts to send him down the board a little bit and people get off the, you know, the train of, you know, the lotto ticket train.
43:52See, he went early in today's draft. I want to see him in the sixth round, and then I'm going to be more and more interested in him.
44:02But I've drafted him so far this year with the thought, I'm not lying to myself, with the thought that he's the ultimate lottery ticket.
44:11Because if something happens to Stevenson, I think we've seen, like, what he's capable of.
44:17But it could be, like, this ugly committee where he still could be, you know, decent.
44:23I'll say this. Fifth round today here, there's no way I am pulling the trigger on Trevion Henderson over Cam Scadaboo, DeAndre Swift, and David Montgomery.
44:32Can't do it. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. I just threw a few names.
44:38But I still think he, again, too, I'm not buying that he's just terrible and all that.
44:44I think we've seen what this guy could do.
44:47And what's his name? And what's his name? You know, he's the veteran back that the guy loves.
44:54But I don't think Stevenson's just like a beast.
44:57He is a workhorse kind of guy. Ground it out.
45:01Get it done. But, you know, push comes to shove.
45:05I have a lot of hesitation about him, too.
45:08Being able to, you know, do it over a full season.
45:12Sorry for coming you up, Nelson, but I had to get this coming.
45:17That's a good one. That sounds like Roddy. Roddy Piper.
45:21Is that supposed to be Roddy Piper? Roddy Piper.
45:24Roddy Piper. Roddy Piper. That's good. I almost did a macho man in impersonation for a second.
45:30Nice job. Oh, yeah. Compliments of Parliament light. So, Dan.
45:34Four lights. Sorry. So, we're two picks away. So, Dan, in the queue, I like number one and number five.
45:41I don't like number two at all. You don't like number two at all?
45:47Even with the news on the other kind of – the other option in that offense that runs in the same neighborhood?
45:55I think you could get that down the road a little bit.
45:59Okay. I think the top guy is easy here.
46:03Yeah. I'm good with the top guy. I like the top guy or bottom guy.
46:08Well, not the bottom guy anymore, but – Yeah.
46:12I like the third guy, Dan. Third guy? Yeah.
46:15Yeah. Third guy. That's who I liked along with the guy we just took.
46:20Yeah. That's one of the things, too, guys. When I'm looking at running back situations, it's kind of like, okay, if that
46:28backup steps in, elite offense, elite offensive line, those pieces matter.
46:32Because even when the starter gets hurt, sometimes these backups can't do anything anyway.
46:37So I do like the third guy for that reason.
46:41Yeah. Well, like I'll say for the guy that went before us, like Jaden Blue, I don't even – like if something
46:49happened to Devontae, I don't expect him to be like, you know, the bell cow.
46:55I think he can carve out a role as a pass catcher.
46:59He's got the speed. And he offers them something different than what they have.
47:05Like even though – what's his name? Malik. He was good when, you know, he stepped in.
47:11He had some flashes last year, too. But I think he's just a different back.
47:16That's why I like Jaden Blue. Yeah. So I'll be a little different than you guys here.
47:23I would have not taken that last pick just because of the Kincaid pick.
47:28I look at us as we have, let's see, two, four – five wide receivers, two tight ends, seven pass catchers.
47:36Yeah, but I – Number three. I like three here.
47:39Yeah. And then we can talk a little bit about, you know, Chris disagreeing with the pick.
47:46Okay. All right. Boom. Yeah. All right. So – I'm with Chris.
47:50I would have done it in the opposite order.
47:53I would have taken Bigsby, gotten him in the hopper, and then seen what came around.
47:59So this is about the time of the draft if I'm set up like this with this build where I'm starting to hit all green.
48:09Okay? I like my running back room. It's not what I'm in love with.
48:14I didn't get a second big time back or even a third solid one, you know, where – And listen, whoever likes Ramondre and J.K.
48:23Dobbins, you know, that's fine. I like them too.
48:27I'm not in love with either of them. I don't think any of them is winning us a championship.
48:34But I'm starting to build out my running backs at that point.
48:38I would have took Dylan Sampson where we just took Trey Harris.
48:42I would have came back. I would have took Tank Bigsby or any running back that I like that's in the queue, you know.
48:51I'm just saying these – My counter would be I think Trey Harris has such a huge ceiling if somebody – One of those receivers gets hurt.
49:01And honestly, I mean, maybe it's what's kind of kept me from QJ.
49:06I don't think, you know, if he gets the opportunity.
49:10I don't know if QJ is, you know, world's better than Trey Harris.
49:15I look at everything this kid did in college.
49:18I mean, the problem was for him was – Well, you're talking the player.
49:23You're talking the actual player that you like to draft there.
49:27Well, I'm talking about the upside. You're staying on the upside.
49:31I mean, Sampson, I was in on a lot more earlier.
49:35I'm kind of getting – I don't know if they're kind of like – The recent reports haven't been so hot.
49:43He was a guy I was taking a lot more.
49:47So, I just don't – The running backs that were remaining outside of Tank, I like Tank a lot.
49:54That's why I really would have loved to have gotten Jaden Blue.
49:58I would have went Blue Bigsby. You know, been fine with that.
50:03But to me, out of the other remaining running backs, Harris had just a higher – Okay, but that's my point is like you like Trey Harris.
50:13That's why you put a receiver there. But if Jaden Blue falls there, you would have went running back, running back, which is – Yes.
50:22I'm just saying – I'm not talking – Exactly.
50:26I'm talking in terms of building out these rounds.
50:29That's what I'd be more inclined to do because I'm looking at Kincaid as our wide receiver six.
50:36Or I would have went with the guy that's still available at the top.
50:41I like the Samson kid and he's in similar situation to Blue.
50:45My only thing is totally different offense. Exactly. I think Blue is just in a way better situation.
50:52That's why I think there is a drop-off. Like if Blue made it, running back, running back for me.
50:59But once Blue goes, it's like, okay, Judkins goes down.
51:03I'm not excited. He's not going to be – And I do like Samson, but he's not getting a carry inside the five.
51:11No, but here's what Samson does have going for him.
51:15A, their offensive line is atrocious. Their team is going to be one of the worst.
51:21And that means they're going to be in a lot of negative game scripts playing from behind.
51:27And Quinchan Junkins is coming off a major injury.
51:30How much of – is he going to be a 28-touch back?
51:35Like Samson's going to be in there on third downs.
51:39Two-minute drills could be Samson as well. You're looking at a guy that could be like a little PPR cheat code this late.
51:47I do like him, Chris. I would make valid points.
51:51Him or Tala – I can't say the guy's name.
51:55Tala Algier, those would have been the two running backs that I think were left that you could argue over Trey Harris there for what we have.
52:05I think Algier is a little mispriced now. And I get it.
52:09The whole picture, trust me, everybody listening. You know, the Jeremiah Love, they gave him these top three.
52:16It's his show. And it will be, 100%. But they paid Algier too, and they brought him in.
52:22And he's a solid back. Like you're getting a guy in the 13th, 14th, 15th rounds in these drafts that's probably going
52:31to get eight, 10 touches a game here. And maybe Love struggles early in the season before they really turn it over to him.
52:39Algier could be a 60 rushing yards a game and a touchdown type running back, and you're getting him this late.
52:47So, you know, it's somebody to put on your team as RB6 and let it play out.
52:54I have no doubt Algier is going to play.
52:57Oh, yeah. It's going to be the similar situation to the Bijan rookie here where they didn't sign him for him to not play.
53:06Even though I think Jeremiah Love is very good and very talented, it just – sometimes organizations, man, they're just not well run.
53:14And they make decisions that scratch your head. And you think like, okay, well, common sense is you take a guy third overall in the draft.
53:24You've got to play the kid, right? Sure. And they will.
53:28So I might – let's see. Hold on a second.
53:32Here's a – let me go to the private chat.
53:35I like running backs here. Mm-hmm. You see the guy I put – the last guy, Matt?
53:42I just put it in the private chat right now.
53:45I can't see on my frigging iPad. I can't see past four or five players.
53:51Got to struggle with the iPad. Continue. Hold on one second.
53:55I mean, what's remaining would be him or – I like what I just put in the top.
54:02This is what I would do. I'm just saying.
54:05I don't know. The top two guys it would be for me.
54:10Okay, yeah. I like those two guys a lot too.
54:13So, yeah. I agree with Chris. I would go with those top two.
54:18Yeah. I'd go with number one. I'm good with number one.
54:22Yeah, we have – The other guy I want to talk about a little bit.
54:28Okay. You guys good with one? Yeah, go on.
54:31Especially that we have – what's his name? Yeah.
54:34Yeah. That makes sense. That's why I didn't understand why he wasn't on the top of the queue.
54:41I was thinking about it for where we took tank, to be honest.
54:46I was just adding guys and then I was going to move them up and down.
54:52All right. So, the guy here. I like number two a lot.
54:56I'm telling you right now. Well, no, it's not number two.
55:00I have to look, Dan. I don't know. He keeps moving down the list.
55:06Hold on. Hold on. He's number four. Yeah, we can't get a solid number on these things because they moved.
55:13All right. Refresh. Refresh. All right. One or two, you're saying?
55:17I like number two. I think we go two for a simple reason.
55:22If we're going that way, I mean, I think it's obvious why we would take number two.
55:28Yep. Let's see. You're saying insurance? We're buying Geico?
55:32Yeah. I mean, you've done it before, you know.
55:35I hear you. I've seen the JFs do it.
55:38Yeah. No, listen. I'm not making fun of you.
55:42I was just making a joke about it. But it makes sense for me.
55:47I don't know. I mean, I do love the top guy, but I think it makes sense for us here.
55:54Yeah. I'm good with the second guy. All right.
55:57So now we find out if we get sniped or not.
56:02Top guy is good, too. Stop looking at the board.
56:05K-Tron Allen. That's going to be fun watching that this month.
56:09So here's my question. I have this down as a topic, guys, and now that we passed it.
56:16At what point in these drafts, you notice this year, everybody is getting two quarterbacks, right?
56:22And even the guys that draft Burrow and Josh Allen and Lamar are not waiting like the old days.
56:29You know, I'd say two plus years ago, if you got one of those top three, four, five quarterbacks, you were waiting
56:37until round 19 or 20, just putting some scrub backup quarterback.
56:41But with the injuries and everything like that, a lot of people, even if they draft a quarterback in that top four,
56:49five, six round range this year, are still going back into round 11 or 12 and getting a decent backup.
56:57You know, whoever the names are. We chose not to here.
57:01We chose not to here with Josh Allen. You know, Herbert owner went and got Purdy.
57:07I'm trying to look. Drake May guy. The Drake May owner went out and got Baker Mayfield.
57:13Drake May is basically a QB, too. The Lamar owner went and got Tyler Shuck.
57:19Jaden Daniels owner went and got Dart. So one guy I would love.
57:24I would feel comfortable and I would put him up against a lot of the guys that went late.
57:31A lot of the quarterbacks that went late. My question to all of you is in these drafts, which quarterbacks do you
57:39draft that you say, all right, I'm not even thinking about a quarterback and as a top 18 quarterback to backup?
57:47Or are you saying I don't care what quarterback I draft, even if it's a top five guy or Josh Allen, I'm
57:55making sure I get a decent backup quarterback? I'll say this.
57:59I usually have a decent backup quarterback. I like having that.
58:03But when I did the bill stack, I did not.
58:07And I ended up with Bryce Young. Two guys had three quarterbacks.
58:11So you completely punted it. It got to that point, yeah.
58:15So I definitely am in favor of going with the second QB.
58:20I think it's just the way they worked out that those three guys went in the 14th round.
58:26I would have been open to taking one of those guys.
58:30Yep. Agreed. I just – I think the way we built the team, I'm good with all the picks that we made.
58:38I think in the 14th round, if we had gotten Baker or Bo Nix to fall, I think that would have been a good spot for the second.
58:49Otherwise, now I think we push it back a little bit.
58:53And I'm okay with taking a second quarter. I like a couple of guys later.
58:58Mm-hmm. Okay. And Chris, just revisiting your thing. Again, I do really have high expectations for Harris or the opportunity of that if it arose for him.
59:08But I get it. Like I really wanted blue.
59:12So maybe I was just like bummed when blue went.
59:16But the Samson or now's year to me, I get what you're saying.
59:20I mean that we had to owe you the three backs.
59:24But I still – I like this team. I got to say, I think we did a good job with it.
59:32And it would flip for me, guys. You know, like Nelson asked earlier about, you know, if you took Brees Hall in the fourth.
59:41If you take Brees Hall in the fourth and then you skip Ramondre in that round and then you just wait for
59:49your RB3 to be Dobbins, well, now I'm fine with taking Trey Harris in that area.
59:55But here's what I would have done. Like here's the payoff looking back the way it unfolded.
60:02If we went Hall, who I love, and we took May instead of Stevens, then you're like – we got A.J.
60:09Brown, you know. Yeah. But again, we do have a nice bill stack, so I'm not really upset about it.
60:17I think it worked out. I think getting Steven – being what we did, getting the running back there at 7-3 was the right move.
60:26Gotcha. Spiteri from his yacht saying our 10th round pick will be cut by Yom Kippur.
60:32As you look on the board, that's Xavier Worthy.
60:35So Spiteri, not a fan of Xavier Worthy. But, I mean, A.J.
60:40Brown is here. That's a good question. I think it's like the third week of September.
60:46I'm not up on my Jewish holidays, Dan. I will need to – And remember, Nelson doesn't roll on Shabbos.
60:53All right. Oh, Shabbos, whatever. I'm sorry. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't trying to – Dan, is there any way you can move the – Oh, yeah.
61:03September 20th. Dan, can you move the board down or am I on my end?
61:09Yeah, I can. Sorry. I'm slacking. For me, it's – unless you like the other guy.
61:15I like, you know, the guy that I put in there.
61:19But you guys are making the call, so. I'm with you on that.
61:24Nice defensive run here, huh? Yeah. So, I like the one and coming back with three or four.
61:31Or two. I kind of like six over two.
61:34Six. Let's see. Wait, let me go down here, Dan.
61:38Six. I really like six. The guy who you just had is six.
61:42I like. He just went. I got to say, I love this guy, Lee.
61:48You know, I think he should be going with the guys around 14.
61:52He seems to be, you know, healthy. We're on the clock.
61:56You guys good with Washington? Yep. Found it. Yeah, Washington, I was definitely good.
62:02Okay. I don't think we need wide receiver anymore.
62:05What do we got, seven? Yeah. Yeah, so we're good at wide receiver.
62:10Yep. Four, five, six, seven. We need a kicker, defense, and I think maybe a QB and another running back.
62:17Yep. Agreed. You don't like the one that I just put in at the end there?
62:23I don't mind him. I don't mind him at all.
62:27I've been told, woof this team, we should be thrown off the air.
62:32Oh. By who? Wow. I'll give you one, guys.
62:35Got to be the hater. It's either Steve or Spiteri.
62:39It's Spiteri. What do you guys want to do here?
62:42You want to take the defense or you want to punt the defense?
62:47We're not going to get – I would go defense here.
62:51We're not going to get one of those top two to come back to us that we have starred.
62:58Whatever one it is, you pick. You guys decide.
63:02There's one I take all the time. You guys make that decision.
63:06Yeah, I'm good going defense here. All right. Which one?
63:10I think we've got to go to Jags. It looks like the Chargers are already gone.
63:16No? They're there. The Chargers are there. Did they disappear in your cube there?
63:21They took the kicker. They took the kicker. They took the Chargers kicker.
63:26Yeah. Never mind. What's the one you want? I like either one.
63:30I don't care. Take your pick. I said Chargers.
63:34There you go. Nice opening week matchup for Jacksonville at home versus the Browns.
63:39So, I like that. And then the Chargers come right off the board after that.
63:44Another team that has a good first week as an 11-point favorite.
63:49I like their first two weeks. Yeah, their first two weeks are good.
63:54But once we get to this point, I like just streaming defense.
63:58And I just like the Jaguars. Which one? Against the Browns.
64:02Whichever QB it is. There's a lot of nice options with defenses.
64:07I didn't – you know, the more I studied, you know, the defenses this year, I'm like, all right.
64:14You know, there's a good seven or eight defenses that I like.
64:18And if I miss out on all of them, there's a couple that nobody really drafts that I'm kind of into for early season matchups as well.
64:28So, defense I'm not struggling with this year. So, can I just go – Let's just make sure we don't give away
64:36our entire kicker episode that we're going to be running later this month.
64:41Oh, everybody loves the kicker. So, I think I seem – Well, so now we're on kickers.
64:47I think I seem to be harder than you three on Daniel Jones.
64:52No, I was into Daniel Jones. I think they're going to have to pass more too.
64:58Again, seems like he can do everything in camp, fully healthy.
65:02Pretty much, you know, guy was putting up at least 20 points a game.
65:07Wendy, so when you say that, Matt, what do you feel he should be drafted at?
65:13Like, what range? Well, he's going – you know, where is he at?
65:1816th year or 16th? He's a forgotten quarterback. And that's because a month and a half ago, people didn't even know if
65:26he would be there to start the season. So, he was barely getting drafted.
65:32And the biggest mistake drafters make, I say it all the time, is once there's clearer information, once there's new updated information,
65:40us as drafters have a tough time recalibrating where they should go on the board.
65:45Everybody's like, all right, well, now he's going to be there.
65:49He looks good in camp. We know we have to move him up.
65:54But how much do we move him up? And it's kind of the same story as Diggs right now in Washington, right?
66:02You know, nobody knew where he would land if he was playing.
66:07Now everybody's trying to figure out, well, where's a good spot for him on the board?
66:13Probably going to wind up in the top 75, 80, you know?
66:17Yeah. Yeah. Just my opinion. Yeah, for me, right after Nick's win, I think that's, you know, when he should go.
66:25Plain and simple. Like, he should be in that range.
66:29I worry a little bit about his value. Part of his value is his running ability.
66:35Yeah. I don't think he's going to be running.
66:38Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think he's going to be moving.
66:42I don't think there seems to be any hesitation.
66:46Everything I've read, I've been trying to – maybe I'm wrong, too.
66:50Maybe this is all smoke up the ass that they're blowing out there.
66:55But it seems like he's doing everything. He looks really good.
66:59Again, they keep saying there's no limitations. He's come out and said it.
67:04I have no limitations. You know. Okay. Yep. We have a cue ready over here?
67:09Yeah. I threw a few back-end running backs in there just for fun.
67:14Well, the second guy's hurting out a while. I don't know if he's going to see you guys.
67:21Yeah. He's not really of interest to me now.
67:24Yeah. But I like one. Yeah, I think one.
67:28I just moved him to three. I just moved him to three just because I think that could come back to us.
67:36But the guys – sorry, Chris. So the guys behind us have that position covered.
67:41Yeah. I'm fine with – You know what I'm saying?
67:45Yeah, I would go with what you're saying, Nelson.
67:48Of course, one guy doesn't have one. They have the other positions covered.
67:53Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah, I didn't see that.
67:57Sorry. I should have been looking at that. Okay.
68:00Then hopefully we'll get our choice of one or two on the way back.
68:05I think people are sleeping on Cam Ward. I think Cam Ward is that quarterback that could be like a top 12
68:13guy for the first like six, eight weeks of the year that every – like a Daniel Jones from last year that
68:21was being like his quarterback 20-something and forgotten and then actually starts producing and puts up good numbers each week.
68:29I have a funny feeling about that offense this year.
68:33I'm not sleeping on him. He's my most owned quarterback.
68:36He's playing Cleveland the week. We're going to definitely need him.
68:40He is. Wow. Which kicker do you guys want?
68:44Either one. Either one I'm fine with. Me, I would go 49ers.
68:48I think they've got a better kicker, but it's a free look either way, so I don't care.
68:55Yep. Just so you guys know, Boragalas has been money in training camp so far.
69:00Money. Oh, you got – you must have the crack rock information.
69:05I got the inside information. He's going to be the starting kicker.
69:09Boragalas is kicking them from 60. Did Cole Nelson chowder rock?
69:13Yeah, so with Cam Ward to talk a little bit about him so we can hype him up and get him to go earlier in drafts.
69:23Yeah. Brian Dable, I know for Giants fans probably don't like him, but I think he's a good offensive coordinator.
69:30I think he's kind of overrated though. Better than the situation they had over there last year.
69:37I'll agree with that. I think surrounding Ward with some talent this year with Tate and Wandale Robinson coming over, I think
69:45that's going to help improve the offensive line. And the kid – I got to be honest.
69:51I watched the quarterback on Netflix and the kid just seems like he's all about football.
69:57Yeah. So – I like the person. I think he's a good kid.
70:02I mean, where did he come from? He started at Incarnate Wood, you know, the basketball school, if you know what I'm
70:10Pretty crazy, his story, the way he came out.
70:13Yeah. No, it really is. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
70:17He just like natural talent became a stock quarterback.
70:20Yeah. His parents actually lived down the street from David Hubbard down in Texas.
70:25Oh, there you go. So – You got to send Hubbard to go knock on his door or something.
70:32He knows the whole – he knows the whole – Yeah, I would send you to get his doing is that – Hubbard knows the whole thing.
70:42There's inside information over here. 100%. He said, you know, he talks to the dad, knows the dad.
70:49Yeah. Hubbard's like going for fake dog walks every day.
70:53Fake time as Cam Ward's family. Hey, you again.
70:56How's Wondell Robinson getting along with your fun? I do like Wondell, though.
71:01I do like him. Yeah. I'm with you. But you know what?
71:05A lot of talent. The Carnell Tate news and buzz is really good in camp.
71:11Wondell knows the system with Dayball coming over there.
71:14I've been talking up Gunnar Helm as somebody in the 19th, 20th round that I think could be a top 12, 15 tight end in this system.
71:24The young wide receivers from last year making plays in camp.
71:28Yeah. I mean, yeah. I like I.O. Manor. That's a mouthful.
71:32Nice pronunciation. Very good. Nice pronunciation. But what was crazy about Wondell?
71:37His like – his what do you call it?
71:40His rapture really expanded after Dayball left. He was getting like, you know, deeper passes and stuff instead of the cheat code.
71:48Duke. Duke hits Gunnar Helm and then goes to the pool.
71:52He's got Tyler Warren. He takes three tight ends.
71:56Yeah. Whenever you can back up Warren and Dolchitz in the 20th.
72:00Yeah. You got it. That's it, Duke. Hope you get a royal flush tonight, Duke.
72:06Duke. But, yeah, listen, Cam Ward is one of those guys.
72:10I wouldn't be shocked if, you know, we're in October and he's one of those quarterbacks that's a top 12 fantasy quarterback.
72:18Mm-hmm. You know, think about it. Daniel Jones, Malik Willis, Cam Ward.
72:23There's Darnold down there who – Darnold lit things up last year.
72:27That's four quarterbacks that you're getting after round 16, 17.
72:31That's why, you know, I don't think the Josh Allen drafters are in a, you know, a panic or the Burrow or Lamar Jackson or Drake May guys.
72:41At worst, you're getting one of these guys to back up your quarterback.
72:46In past years, you might be completely empty. Well, the industry people love Malik Willis.
72:51He's everybody. Every industry, you know, and Alice. Yeah, he's their cheat code quarterback.
72:57They're going to be playing from behind. He's going to be – he's going to run with the ball.
73:04He's probably going to get close to 1,000 yards rushing if he stays healthy.
73:09Yeah. There's value. What was the stat? I heard a stat the other day.
73:14It was like 90% of quarterbacks that have ran for – I'm going to butcher this.
73:20It was so bad. It was like Malik Willis like basically can't fail hitting the top 12 fantasy quarterback if he stays on line with his rushing stats.
73:30Yeah. That's why we're going to talk real quick.
73:34Go ahead. What are you going to finish it up with, guys?
73:38I mean, either or. Isaiah Davis is hurt. That was one of my go-tunes late.
73:44Yeah. I like Davis. If he's hurt, go with Randall.
73:47Go Randall. I mean, he's probably the funnest film to watch if you watch that guy's film.
73:54Right. If he ever gets on the field, he gets an opportunity.
73:58Dan likes that one. Dan's a dynasty guy. He likes the Randall pick.
74:03I do. Perfect. I was going to put it to you.
74:07Look at that. And we completed our first live stream of the year.
74:12Yes. Yep. How do we feel? How do we feel about – Matt, I will give you the wheel here.
74:19Judge Nelson and Dan's draft. You know, A, B, C, or D.
74:24What would you give us? Dan, can we go back up to the top of the board and just – Yeah, well,
74:32I'm just looking it off my iPad because I couldn't see that.
74:36All right. I've got to give it a B.
74:40Everybody in the Illuminati chat shits on me with my tech issues, but nobody gets on Modica with his – Just the iPad and the queue.
74:49I can't see past – I don't know why it doesn't move.
74:54It's so annoying. It's so annoying. And we still haven't made any jokes about my Wi-Fi yet.
75:00Fortunately, it's been holding together. But you know that Wi-Fi I was supposed to get last summer.
75:06Supposedly, they're coming tomorrow to install it. So we'll find out.
75:11I think it's like around a B here. I like a lot of the players we took.
75:17I think the – you know, Stevenson, Dobbins, as like Nelson said, they're not sexy picks, but they're anchor picks for like James Cook as our RB2.
75:27We got Bigsby and Ray Davis. I really like that.
75:31The kid Mike Washington, you know, he's a speed demon.
75:34And the receivers I love, and I love the tight ends.
75:38We got Josh Allen. So I don't think, you know – it could have went sideways at one point, maybe in the seventh.
75:47If we didn't get that running back, we would have been thin at the RB position.
75:53I think we'd do it too. Yeah. I'll give it a solid B.
75:58I won't give it an A just because I think our running back room will be the weakness all year.
76:05I think early in the season with Dobbins and Ramondre, we'll be in good shape trying to figure that out.
76:12That'll be the team's, you know, decision every week.
76:16We'll be texting each other who we're going with, Ramondre or JK.
76:20Other than that, I like it. I like Parker Washington as my three.
76:25I like Godwin as a four, worthy as a flyer, and Trey Harris as a five and six.
76:32I love our tight end room. And obviously nobody's going to say anything bad about Josh Allen.
76:38And I like the fact that we handcuffed Pickens.
76:41Like if something happens to Pickens, we got a guy that's going to step in and have a nice role.
76:49Yeah. Or if something happens to Lamb, I mean – Exactly.
76:53Then we're really sitting great. Yeah. I still thought Team 12, how do you not take Pickens?
76:59I think – All right. So let me ask Matt and Chris because you guys kind of took the backseat here.
77:07Where would you have guys gone different with the picks?
77:11Obviously it's in hindsight, so it's a lot easier – In hindsight, if me and Chris were on the wheel, I think Brees Hall probably goes at 411.
77:21Because I'm a Hall guy. Even though I wanted to pick Allen, don't get me wrong.
77:27And I think Chris would have pushed for Brees Hall there.
77:31That's my – that's what I'm thinking. So I think maybe that's where it would have changed.
77:37Well, I mean, I'm not even going to talk about like first round, second round like that.
77:44Like everybody's a stud in the first three rounds.
77:47It's just a matter of the combination you put.
77:50So, Nelson, I'm assuming that the question is more like once you start getting into the fourth round and later, you know?
77:59Yeah. I'm just curious. What would you have taken Brees Hall?
78:03That's basically the question. Well, I would have taken Colston Loveland or Brees Hall right there.
78:09I would have known that I'm getting a solid receiver to come back to me with more Adunze, Parker, Washington, Evans or Harrison on the board still.
78:19I'd probably build it out with getting the elite tight end there with Loveland towards the end.
78:25That Roma Adunze text you sent me last night, Chris, was amazing.
78:29Yeah. Yeah. And then the team could have looked like James Cook, A.J.
78:34Brown, George Pickens, Colston Loveland, Parker, Washington. Maybe it's more of a heavy wide receiver with an elite tight end.
78:42Could have went that route or obviously the Brees Hall route, you know?
78:46I don't know how many teams I'm going to have with Josh Allen just because I think it's so valuable to get
78:55that either elite tight end, extra big RB2 or, you know, big time wide receiver still in that range.
79:02So that's it. Yeah. And that's what I was saying is that on Tuesday, I was saying, you know, Josh Allen's not
79:10a guy I expect to own a lot of.
79:13But, you know, here was a chance to grab him at what I thought was a reasonable price.
79:20You know, let's get the build in there and, you know, see what happens.
79:25I become more interested in Allen when I have Cook, you know, I do like that marriage.
79:31I just think you have a possibility of locking up like 50 to maybe 55 touchdowns.
79:37Catching you passes. And I think Cook is going to catch passes this year.
79:42If that happens, then that's really golden. Let's throw it right back to you guys.
79:48You know, you gave me a different version of it.
79:52But let's take Josh Allen off this team and put Colston Loveland in there or Brees Hall.
79:58All right. Let's just go with Brees Hall. I think you have to rather replace Ramondre Stevenson with Lamar Jackson or Drake May, where we took Ramondre.
80:08I would have taken him. And have Brees Hall where Josh Allen is?
80:13Yes. So for this particular draft, yes. But knowing my mindset is a little bit different, only because I'm doing a lot of volume.
80:22So I do look at it from a different perspective of, okay, my Josh Allen teams that I have so far look
80:30like they're like it's not ideal when I look at the quarterbacks where they go.
80:35Like all of a sudden Drake May goes in the seventh round.
80:40I'm like, I'd rather have Drake than Josh Allen in the fourth.
80:44And then you look and you're like, wait a minute, Lamar in the eighth round every once in a while or Jaden
80:52Daniels in the ninth round every once in a while.
80:56I look back and I'm like, I want that pick back.
81:00But the thing that I can't guess on, like my teams look better without Josh Allen is what I'm trying to say.
81:08But in the shootout, I'm playing a tournament, right?
81:12And we're trying to win a 300K. What if Josh Allen just puts up two or three monster weeks in the shootout and he's the difference maker?
81:22And then I'm sitting there saying, okay, I had 400 teams this year and no Josh Allen.
81:28I ain't winning any overall titles. To me, that's stupid.
81:32So, like I'm looking at it from a different perspective of, yes, the teams don't look as good and as crisp with Josh Allen in the fourth round.
81:42But what if he is the difference maker? I mean, to me, as I said, it made sense with James Cook.
81:50I liked the way we were thinking. And when we were on the clock, it was the right move just because DJ Moore was still on the board.
82:00And I see a lot of people starting to try and put that combo together.
82:06We had a good shot being that, you know, it was 46th overall.
82:11We're on the board. And, you know, we had a good shot of getting DJ to come back to us.
82:18I don't think it would have worked either way.
82:21Meaning if we took Moore, I don't think Allen comes back.
82:26Oh, no. I wasn't saying that at all. Josh Allen wasn't going to get any further than 46.
82:32But I'm saying, like, taking him there, knowing DJ Moore was still on the board, we could have easily – that was
82:40an easy decision for us to take Allen. And hope this – you know, it was probably a good 50-50 shot at
82:49that point that DJ Moore came back to us.
82:52Yep. I like Parker Washington more than DJ Moore.
82:55So I'm happy, you know. But Kincaid was the fallback stack there.
83:00And as it turned out, we even got, I think, a decent discount on Kincaid as well.
83:06I think getting Kincaid is really nice. Like Chris said and we said on the show, having that second tight end.
83:14But the three wide receivers we have on our depth, you know, is really nice, I think.
83:20You know, they're just really nice upside guys. And they're all on good offenses.
83:25Yeah. Let's see. And we got probably the two best handcuffs.
83:29And I don't even think Ray Davis is that good.
83:33But they don't have anybody else and he's going to play.
83:37You know, he's going to play a ton. Let's hit these other 11 teams real quick and let's get out of here if you want.
83:46Let's take each team, you know, starting straight down the middle.
83:50Dan, you want to take team one? Quick thoughts.
83:54If anybody has something that they see that they want to jump in, go ahead.
83:59Yeah. I thought overall team one was pretty well constructed.
84:03I was with Nelson. The third tight end seemed a little excessive.
84:08But, you know, it's fine. I like the Goff love pairing at quarterback.
84:12I think that worked really well. Especially with having, you know, Golden and Chris Watson.
84:18You know, obviously love makes sense. And, you know, Goff and Gibbs, he's kind of got the same thing going as we've got with Allen and Cook.
84:28Obviously, Goff is not Allen. But I like how the team was put together.
84:33This is not a traditional Duke build, though. I will say.
84:37Like, doing a lot of these, you know, we've got to change it up.
84:42Yeah. Okay. Go to team two. Anybody else? Team one?
84:46Team. Go ahead. You want to do team two, Matt?
84:50Yeah, I'll do team two. Go ahead. I just think if you take Chase and you just ignore the position, you're just taking that advantage away from you.
85:00Like, again, you want to go three running backs?
85:04Okay, that's excessive. But taking the fourth running back there was, you know, I think that's going to hurt him.
85:11Let me, the first glaring issue I see with, if you got Jacobs in love and you go double running back after
85:19that, you come back around and T Higgins is sitting in your lap in the fourth round to start putting the Chase Higgins burrow stack together.
85:29And you didn't have to move them up. You didn't have to move T Higgins up.
85:35You know, that Kyron Williams pick right there should be T Higgins 100 out of 100 times, in my opinion.
85:42And then you go on from there. Yep. I agree with that.
85:47I think. Kyron was a very head scratching pick to me.
85:51I mean, if you guys have seen me on my live streams, I've been saying that whatever, you take Jacobs in the
85:59second round, whatever running back, you know, you like.
86:02Okay, that's fine. But that 3-4 turn, I really think has to be wide receiver, wide receiver.
86:08That's got to be Garrett Wilson, T Higgins there.
86:12Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. I'll take team three just because I love this build.
86:17I like building this year like this with Bowers.
86:20This is how I would build with Brock Bowers is big RB.
86:24You know, you get a running back in round one, your bell cow.
86:29You take Bowers in round two. And then you go five straight wide receivers.
86:34He gets Burden, Higgins, Harrison, Tate, and Jaden Reed to go with.
86:39You have to look at Bowers as an elite wide receiver one.
86:43And you already have your bell cow. And then you start hitting green after that.
86:49He gets Caleb Williams, who I think is a top 10 fantasy quarterback.
86:54He pairs it with Burden up top. This was put together really nice, in my opinion.
87:00You're not going to love his running backs, his RB2.
87:03Well, actually, I'm sorry. He's got Jalen Warren. He snuck in there as a solid RB2.
87:09And then he builds out his running back bench there.
87:13I really like the way that's built. I like that team this year.
87:18Yeah, Aaron Jones and Zach Charbonnet actually kind of go together pretty well, I think, because you get some early production from
87:26Jones and then hopefully some later production from Charbonnet.
87:29Yeah, same thing with Algier. I like the Algier pick more than those two.
87:34Yeah, same thing. I mean, they could go well together and get no production out of both.
87:41Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Can we just – I'm not a fan of Aaron Jones or Charbonnet there.
87:47I think once I have Jalen Warren here, I look at it as like, okay, he's the safe guy, the solid guy
87:56that I can put in as my RB2. He's going to catch passes.
88:00He keeps me afloat. After that, I'm trying to hit home runs with those picks.
88:06Charbonnet coming off an ACL that he suffered in the playoffs, I think that's early for him to come back and be explosive.
88:15Aaron Jones is just not a guy I'm really interested in.
88:19Algier, I don't mind. Emmitt Johnson, I don't mind.
88:22But I would have liked those two picks to be like more of like younger, explosive guys that they might not have
88:30a floor, but they have more of a ceiling than those guys.
88:35Yeah. Before we move on and Nelson breaks down team four, I just want to ask you guys, do you guys have
88:43an ideal build with how you're drafting Brock Bowers this year?
88:47I don't know if any of you want to answer that, but have you guys come up with a – have you
88:55guys come up with a solid way that you like taking the early tight end in Bowers?
89:01I'll say this. If I just started like Robinson Bowers, I definitely want to have four wide receivers in my next five rounds.
89:10I still want to keep hitting that. I mean, let's take Bijan out of it for a second.
89:16Say it was Chase Brown, Bowers. I definitely want to have at least four wide receivers in the next five.
89:24I think team three did it – sorry, Dan, go ahead.
89:28No, you got it. If I'm building a Bijan Bowers team, I think team three executed properly up until – You know what?
89:36I think Denzel Boston in the 10th round is probably overdoing it, to be honest.
89:42I'm probably going back – running back well at that point.
89:46But up until round nine, I think he executed that properly.
89:50That's how I would want to build Bowers' team.
89:54If you took Boston out, Nelson, and you put either Keaton Mitchell or Kyle Monungay for like a little bear stack.
90:01R.J. Harvey. R.J. Harvey. Upside of Harvey maybe? I don't mind Harvey in the background.
90:07Even if you're a Bill guy. I mean, I'm – Yeah.
90:11Yeah, I agree with that. And I like – I do like Boston.
90:16Again, like you said. Because, again, so he went with the four wide and then Jaden Reed in the seventh before his RB2.
90:24You've already put your stamp on it that you've gone with the five wide.
90:30That fifth wide receiver is going to be your rotational guy.
90:34I think Denzel Boston with the hype and everything, I'm okay with him.
90:38But I need to get a better deal on him for this type of build.
90:44I'm not taking him as my sixth before I take my third running back.
90:49Yeah, that's why I hate when I see people draft like that sixth wide receiver like in the first nine rounds.
90:57It's like, you know, for me – and people do it a lot.
91:02Like, buddy, you know, like your fifth wide receiver is in case you top four if somebody goes down or you got to substitute it.
91:11Like you need running backs or other positions. How is your wide receiver six going to play a major role for you
91:19that you needed him so desperately where you ignore the other positions that you're going to need on a weekly basis?
91:27And that's something that always, you know, rubs me the wrong way.
91:31But go ahead. Nelson, back to you. Team four.
91:35Team four. Team four. You know, I know Jody and I like the way he's building his teams.
91:41That's – you know, I have a lot of Puka teams and they look very similar to it where – although, you
91:50know, Jaden Daniel – He's got the blueprint, Nelson.
91:53He got your blueprint. He's got the blueprint, man.
91:56Is he in the Discord? No, I don't think so.
92:00I don't know. No, he's not in the Discord.
92:03I don't know if he's a FTN subscriber or not.
92:07I haven't looked at the sign-up list. But I know Jody definitely – You're from Boston.
92:13He's from Boston. You know, we're both Boston guys.
92:16You know. So, you know, he's in the live streams and everything.
92:21And, you know, I like the build. Except, you know, Jaden Daniels in the seventh.
92:26I, you know, I was getting some deals, you know, with Daniels in the ninth.
92:32But I think maybe with the dig signing now, you know, we're paying a little bit of a tax on him.
92:40But Montgomery in the fifth round, you know, I'm a big Montgomery fan this year.
92:45Price, you know, hype guy, rookie, you know, getting some hype.
92:49So, I understand they're in the sixth round. You know, Rashad White in the eighth.
92:55Pairs him with JCM in the tenth round. Gets Laporta, Kittle.
92:59It's – I don't care, like, about the rest.
93:02I'm just focused more on just kind of, like, the structure in the first, like, 10, 11 rounds.
93:09It's – that's a solid team. That's how I like it.
93:13Yeah. Yeah, I like that team. Solid build. Dan, back to you, five.
93:18Wait a minute. Jody just say I'm not a subscriber.
93:22Sorry. What the fuck kind of shit is that?
93:25Yeah, Jody. You didn't have to rub it in.
93:28Kick up the money. Kick up the money, Jody.
93:32Don't be cheating. Here, let me make you feel better.
93:35All right? There you go. We got a subscriber here.
93:39There you go. I see these things cut off.
93:42I can't read the comments. I don't know if it's just on my computer or – I don't know.
93:49I don't know. Could be Team 5, you know, if it's 2020.
93:54It's a good team. Team 5 is you, Dan, right?
93:58Yeah. That's it? Team 5, good team? Done? Dan's analysis.
94:01That's it, guys. We're moving on to Team 6.
94:05If it's 2020, sure, I'll take this team. But it's way too old for me.
94:10I mean – Yeah, wow. Yeah. That's a lot of age right there.
94:15That's a lot of age. You know, and, you know, Lamar Jackson is probably, you know, he's old for a running quarterback.
94:23I mean, there's just – I like the design of it, I guess, you know, as far as, like, you know, the double running back.
94:32Well, I don't know. I mean, I'd rather have – I'd rather have that Javante Williams be a wide receiver there, too.
94:41So, I don't know. Okay. I guess I shouldn't say much.
94:45I can't – I don't have too much positive to say.
94:49Oaf. Like your mom used to say, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say it at all.
94:56That's right. There you go. Try to get around it by saying it's a good team for 2020.
95:03Team 6? Yeah. I mean, I like the way it was built.
95:07I might differ on, you know, some of the players as you went on, but I do like the way it was built.
95:16You know, he's got the four receivers, the two running backs.
95:20Mm-hmm. You know, got the mobile quarterback there in Hertz.
95:24Got that. Yep. I think when he did a tight end, for waiting on tight end, getting a likely, strange combo is really good.
95:33And as much as I'm a Tootin guy, I think the price you get on Chris Rodriguez is phenomenal.
95:40You know, I think he's still going to be involved.
95:43And I do like Tootin. And even if he wasn't, he's just a great contingent price if you like the Jaguars offense.
95:51So I do like what Team 6 did. Would you guys have taken Goddard over Likely, given that you have Hertz and women?
96:00Yeah, I would have did that. Not looking yet.
96:03I would have went with Goddard over Likely. Wait for that situation.
96:08I think that's the main thing. I would have done different.
96:12Yeah, good spot, Dan. Yeah, I agree with that.
96:15But the build, the structure, whatever you want to say, I think he did a good job.
96:21Yeah. All right, I'm up Team 7. Look at this shit show.
96:26This guy's lost without his card. Nightly basis. The Odyssey.
96:30This guy must be drunk on a beach somewhere.
96:33His internet probably went out in the first round.
96:36Nah, let's see. You know what? This isn't Steve's best work, in my opinion.
96:42But you get to a point in round four where you got to take the value on Trey McBride.
96:49And I'm sure Steve probably went into this draft after taking Brown in the first.
96:54Who I love. Listen, you know, he takes him in the first.
96:59I have no issue with that. I'm just busting his balls.
97:03You take London and Rice. He probably was going to go hit a third receiver in round four.
97:09We're seeing a lot of drafters fall into this, you know, predicament.
97:14In drafts is where Trey McBride keeps sliding into, like, the fourth round a lot.
97:19And then everybody that's on the clock in the fourth round is like, shit, I didn't expect this.
97:26I really wanted to go wide receiver heavy. But here's Trey McBride.
97:30And how do I not take him here? And Steve was the guy that landed on Trey McBride in this draft, middle of the fourth round.
97:40Probably have to do it. And there you have it.
97:44I like what he did with Scadaboo as his RB2.
97:48That's solid. And then anytime I could get Jonathan Brooks as my RB3, where I don't have to stuff him into my
97:56starting lineup right off the bat early in the season, I'll take that.
98:00He gets an elite top three quarterback, however you want to look at May this year.
98:06And then his wide receiver room is obviously going to be his issue all year long when you have Jordan Addison as
98:15your three, Pierce as your four, and a rookie as your five.
98:19And six. So that's the way I look at that team.
98:23Okay. Fair. All right. We're going to team eight.
98:26Nelson is up again, right? Nelson's on eight. So I don't like team eight.
98:32I don't like the, you know, Taylor and Barkley.
98:35I'm not going to talk too much about the players necessarily because that's all opinion-based.
98:41Although the structure is opinion-based also, but I just don't think you can go for running backs in, in this format.
98:48Yeah. Um, so I feel like once you go Taylor and Barkley, uh, in the fourth round, he was probably thinking like
98:57ETN is just higher on his board than, than most guys.
99:01And he was kind of stuck at receiver. Uh, but I feel you got to get a, a solid number two at
99:09wide receiver and Stefan digs and Sutton is just not doing it for me.
99:14And then once you take the third running back, you have no choice, but to go wide receiver, I think in the
99:22fifth round and taking Trevi on there. Um, I, I think it just kind of went off the rails, uh, at that
99:30point because I just don't want digs and Sutton as my two and three.
99:35You got, you know, Debo as your, your fourth guy, you're taking Rico Dowdle as a fifth tight end, uh, fifth, you know, running back.
99:45Before worrying about tight end and quarterback. It's just, I think we, uh, I think we were struggling here with this one.
99:53Uh, so yeah. So one of the, the viewers said FFPC build, um, it would definitely look a little better in the
100:01FFPC, but I still, you know, even, even there, I don't know.
100:05Yeah. Dan, I think you're back up, team nine.
100:09Yeah. Looks good. Matt's up. Right. Okay. I'll do, I'll do nine then.
100:14Matt. Yeah. I mean, nine, nine is, uh, again, I like this build you're getting, he's got the five receivers.
100:21You got, I mean, Walker, I really like, I'm a toot and truther.
100:26So he's got the five receivers. You get in a, you know, top end style, you know, that second tier of tight
100:34ends, you're getting pits, you get Trevor Lawrence. I mean, if you can get Trevor Lawrence or Herbert, you know, in that
100:42range where, you know, they're giving you it this year.
100:46So you, I think you got to jump on it there.
100:50I do really like the three running backs. He hit, he went with Keaton, Jonah Coleman and Jaden blue.
100:57I think that's just a ton of upside. So, I mean, I, I think this was, you know, done really well.
101:05It's a really good player too. So I'm not shocked by that, but I think he just hit it perfectly.
101:12Like I said, I really liked that running back threesome there from Mitchell to blue.
101:18Who doesn't love a good threesome, Matt? Ed, who's team 10 is us.
101:23We already did that. Yeah. So Dan's 11. Yeah, I'll take 11.
101:27Yeah. I think team 11, 11 is a, a pretty solid build at honestly.
101:32Um, you know, you're double tapping running back. Um, I think I'd probably, instead of Brees Hall, I might've been tempted to,
101:40uh, go wide receiver, like wide receiver at the four or five turn, but I don't hate Hall either there.
101:48Um, you know, if he gets a, if he gets a good solid, you know, wide receiver three, I think this team is real, really good shape.
101:58Um, overall looks like a, a good solid build to me.
102:02What do you guys think? Yeah, I like that.
102:05Um, yeah, I like this team. I don't have any issue with it.
102:10doing Zay Quentin and Michael Wilson to complete a room.
102:14Uh, now Michael Wilson and Quentin Johnston are basically fighting for one spot each week in the starting lineup.
102:21You don't need to play both of them. So, uh, you got a solid top eight tight end.
102:28You get a solid tape type, uh, top eight quarterback.
102:31Um, I like it. And you got three big time running backs in my opinion, and Jensie Hampton and Hall with an
102:39elite wide receiver one and a Dunze who I like.
102:43I won't quit a Dunze. I won't give up on him.
102:47So, solid, solid. Chris, one in Rome, Vaccaro. One in Rome, baby.
102:52Uh, I'll close it. Nelson, you want to take team 12?
102:56Go ahead. That's fine. so I do like this type of build from the back end of the draft.
103:03I've actually done this where I've had CD and Jefferson fall and started with, uh, three wide.
103:09I don't know if I have the team with Loveland.
103:13Um, I think it might've been, uh, four wide with a running back and then came back with an elite quarterback, um, possibly.
103:21So I like this type of build. Um, um, man, I love this.
103:26Yeah. Yeah. I, it, and, and I liked the running backs that he took.
103:31So he took a little bit of, you know, high floor, safe guys, you know, start off the season week one, you know, in Mason and, and Chuba.
103:42I don't, I'm not a fan of Chuba, but I understand the pick.
103:47It makes sense for the structure of the team.
103:50And then you got Corum, who's kind of like the home run guy that if something happens to Kyron, I like Tracy
103:58Samson, you know, at Shahid as your fifth, your elite with, at QB and tight end.
104:04It it's, that's my type of build. but do you like these running backs to be every week guys?
104:11See, this is this, this right here is your type of bill Nelson.
104:16And this is what I struggle with. I'll be honest.
104:20This is probably where our drafting. I would have made one.
104:24Let me just throw this disclaimer out, Matt. And then you make your point.
104:29It's my type of build. It's an uncomfortable build.
104:32I'm not saying that this is like, it's my cup of tea, Chris, but it's not my preferred build.
104:39I'm just saying that I understand the build and what he, what he's doing.
104:44Go ahead. I just said like the fifth round, if you take a, put a scatter boo or Montgomery there, you know, you change that.
104:54I think it's really good. What, what about this?
104:57I mean, I don't necessarily like having Joe Burrow uncorrelated while you're still looking for your first running back.
105:04Um, you know, to me, you know, of course you don't know that this is going to happen, but he, he would
105:12have been much better off if he'd have taken Mondray, um, and Corum instead of Burrow and Corum, and then come back
105:20in the ninth round with Herbert or Lawrence. But hasn't Burrow been the guy, even like four point passing, like the two
105:29years he's been healthy, he was like second and fourth.
105:32So I, listen, he's been healthy, but you know, I don't know.
105:37There's so much to, there's so much to talk about.
105:40With this team, uh, Nelson, I hear what you're saying.
105:44And, and Dan, to your point, uh, I'm never going to pass up the elite quarterback like that.
105:51When I get this build, I'm going for it.
105:54Give me as much elite as I can get.
105:57You have three stud number one receivers. You got a top three elite tight end, and now you got a top four elite quarterback in, in Burrow.
106:07And you're just going to make your weakness, the running back.
106:12I can't do this. Okay. I can't do it.
106:15And I think Matt hit it on the head is I got to replace DJ more with a better running back.
106:23One in two and scataboo Swift. Somebody I know is touching the ball 15, 20 times a week because Nelson, to your point.
106:31Yeah. I hear everything you're saying, but when I go down there and there's Corum Mason and Hubbard, that could be seven
106:39points and five points in week one for each of these two guys that are in your starting running back.
106:47And I don't care what your receivers and elite tight end are doing.
106:52They could give you 22, 25 points each week.
106:55When my running back positions, one and two, give me a seven and a five.
107:00I'm capped. So I think we all like Colston Loveland this year.
107:05And with building a zero running back team, that's kind of like the blueprint of how to build it.
107:12You, you take an edge at potentially QB and tight end.
107:16But what I will say is if, if you go kind of to Matt's point, basically Matt's point, you go scataboo or
107:24Montgomery there instead of Loveland with DJ more. Now you got the four wide with a running back.
107:31And then you come back around and you decide you take, you know, burrow there with another running back and you can get tight end.
107:40Look where we took Fannin. So there, if he goes ahead, he's already got his running backs and he's got his quarterbacks
107:48and he double taps tight end or takes Fannin there.
107:52That team is a lot better now. Yeah. That's fair way.
107:56I think you feel more all these years. Let me just say this real quick.
108:02I think in past years, everybody's been in love with the four wide receiver star and an elite tight end, and then go the zero RB route.
108:12I just think nowadays three wide receivers and the elite tight end is good enough.
108:17And then you got to start your running back room with some of these guys in that fifth, sixth round.
108:25I think there's a huge drop off after that.
108:28I think you got to clip one of them just because of the wide receivers that you can then come back to
108:36in the six, seventh, eighth round range as you're four and five.
108:41And that's the flip for me back in the day.
108:44Yeah. I'd, I'd be leading the charge, uh, you know, with everybody as the guy that wants to go for wide receivers,
108:52give me an elite tight end and an elite quarterback.
108:56And then I'll stop putting my running back room together.
109:00But these are all number twos, Corum, Mason, Hubbard.
109:03Some of them are threes in my opinion. You know, we all love Corum, but shit week one, he can come out
109:11and get 47 rushing yards on one catch. And it's six points.
109:16And unless you're top of your board there, lamb, Jefferson, Collins, and Loveland are all 30, 30, 27 and 25.
109:23And Burrow goes for a 38. Like, you know, you, I don't want to repeat myself, but you're kind of capping yourself.
109:31So I need one running back in there somewhere.
109:35And that's DJ Moore spot. All right. All right.
109:38Anything else, gentlemen? I think that's it. I think that was a successful first, uh, online stream.
109:44We'll be back right then. I let you take it from here, but we'll be doing these every Thursday, uh, for the next three weeks.
109:54And, uh, looking forward to that. Anybody who's still, uh, who's still listening, me and Nelson will be going at midnight tonight
110:02in the live stream for the hour. Yeah, sure.
110:05Get the ice coffee. Oh, I was just going to say ice coffee.
110:10Matt, there you go. I think I got to get a siesta.
110:14All right. Well, for all our, our viewers, thank you for joining us this week.
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