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1:04Welcome to The Dominator. I'm your fantasy conciliare, Dan Williamson, the overhyped sleeper.
1:07You can find me on x at overhyped sleeper.
1:10Just drop that final e. Joining me today is one of the very best fantasy analysts around.
1:15He consistently finishes as one of the most accurate rankers in the Fantasy Pros Contest.
1:19He's always looking for new and better ways to dissect the data available to us.
1:23And in short, when he's got something to say, I'm always listening.
1:27Jared Smola is on the show today, and that means it's time to dominate.
1:31All right. Welcome, Jared. Thanks for joining me today.
1:33Happy to be on with you, Dan. Ready for Camps get going.
1:36I'm ready for, you know, some new news. I feel like we've been hearing the same stuff over and over again.
1:42So we're, what, a couple, not even two weeks away at this point.
1:46So pumped up for that. Yeah, me too. It really has been kind of a feedback loop where everybody's just sort of
1:52regurgitating the same information and all of that. And it just, it gets tiring and there's not much different going on in
1:58drafts because there's no real move or news to move, you know, ADPs or anything.
2:03So it's just a good time to do what some of the things that you do, which is diving into, you know,
2:09different things, different ways to analyze the data. And one of them that you came up with is the fantasy environment score.
2:15I wonder if you can tell us just a little bit about that and what that's about.
2:20Yeah, so I'm sure you've seen the, you know, implied points per game stuff where we're looking at the Vegas lines for
2:26all these games, you know, week one through 18 and sort of coming up with a implied points per game for each team.
2:32And that's super important. We've done that at DraftSharks for a long time.
2:36It's part of our projections process. We try to at least, you know, closely match our scoring projections for each of these
2:42offenses with what the implied Vegas totals are telling us.
2:45But I wanted to, you know, see if I could do a bit better than that.
2:50So I came up with this fantasy environment score for each team and it starts with each team's implied points per game.
2:56That is the heaviest weight in this fantasy environment score.
2:59But we're also in this score factoring in things like how many games each team is favored in or underdogs in and by how much.
3:06We're factoring in implied points per game allowed from each of these teams, how good the defense is going to be.
3:11We're factoring in that the average over under each of these teams games.
3:15And then I also looked at how many games each team is in what I deemed a shootout, which is a game
3:21with an over under of 48 points or higher than how many games each team has that I called a low total
3:28game where it's a game with an over under of 42 or lower.
3:31So just, again, trying to do a bit more than just implied points per game because that's a good starting point.
3:37But we know, you know, these these game environments or how many points you're allowing, whether these games end up as back
3:43and forth shootouts that that drives fantasy scoring, you know, maybe not as much as the implied points per game, but it definitely has a big impact.
3:51Yeah, I think that's that's definitely important because, you know, we all love to be have our players involved in those shootouts.
3:57And, you know, that's that's where our big fantasy weeks come from when there's, you know, several of our players have those shootouts to go.
4:04So if you don't mind, I'm going to I'm going to throw up just what your environment scores were from your article here.
4:11There we go. And, you know, so you've got, you know, the scores just range from Dallas is way up at three point one two.
4:18And then they go down into negative numbers. Cleveland Browns at negative three point eight two.
4:22So this is just kind of a single score that's a weight of all the things you were just talking about then.
4:28Right. Correct. Yeah. And, you know, the three point one two or whatever, it doesn't really mean anything.
4:33I tried to come up with something that we could like relate to, like points or fantasy scoring.
4:38I didn't come up with anything, but at least so, you know, again, the three doesn't mean anything, but at least gives you a scale.
4:45Like you can kind of see how big of a drop off there are there is, you know, from team to team.
4:52Right. Exactly. And even between one and two, Dallas and Cincinnati, you know, there's a pretty big drop off there.
4:57And then we see another one between Baltimore and San Francisco, you know, like a point seven drop off there.
5:03And then, you know, it it drops off again between Tampa and Jacksonville, 72 to point 29.
5:08You know, so there's there's some pretty, pretty big tiers in there is one of the things I noticed.
5:13But let's let's start off by talking about some of your top tier teams.
5:17We've got Dallas and Cincinnati leading it off. That's that's, I guess, not too surprising to anybody.
5:22We all expect them to score well, but it also means a lot of their players are expensive in ADP.
5:27Jared, do you see any good values there or is it just sort of, you know, like pay up and be happy with it?
5:34Yeah, I think it's more the latter. Pay up and be happy.
5:37I mean, there's no like surprises on these offenses, Dallas and Cincinnati of where the ball is going to go.
5:43Right. But I think that makes the players involved that much easier to rely on.
5:47So, you know, starting with the Cowboys, like you said, Dan, the Cowboys are first in fantasy environment score by a pretty wide margin.
5:54And I would have expected them to be in the top five, but I probably wouldn't have picked them to be number one.
6:00And then again, they're number one by a pretty wide margin.
6:04The Cowboys have the sixth highest implied points per game and are also projected to allow the fourth most points per game.
6:10So, you know, the Vegas Lions are saying the Cowboys is going to be involved in a lot of shootouts.
6:15They actually 15 of their 17 games have an over under a 48 plus points.
6:20No other team has more than 11 games with an over under a 48 plus points.
6:24So these Cowboys game should be fun. We know where the ball is going again.
6:28It's going to George Pickens. It's going to CeeDee Lamb.
6:31Javante Williams, I think, you know, should continue to at least control carries for this offense.
6:36I have some concerns about his role in the passing game in 2026.
6:39He just wasn't very efficient in that department last year.
6:42But, you know, again, we know the main drivers of this offense.
6:45The other note on the Cowboys, too, their fantasy playoff schedule looks really nice.
6:49They play at the Rams in week 15. That's a good defense, but at least it's an indoor game.
6:55Could be a shootout. Then they're home for the Jags and home for the Giants in week 16 and 17.
7:00So there won't be any weather concerns in those games.
7:03So, again, I don't think there's any big values among Cowboys in ADP, but it's definitely a team I want pieces of,
7:09especially in these best ball tournaments, you know, where it's so back-weighted to those final few weeks.
7:14Yeah, that makes sense to me. You know, I guess if I see a value there, it might be Dak because he's
7:20going a little bit later amongst the quarterbacks. You know, you would expect with an offense like this that he might be
7:26one of the, you know, top half dozen quarterbacks, and we just aren't really seeing that right now.
7:32Yeah, I mean, the only thing with Dak is he's not going to give you much on the ground, so you're kind
7:38of relying on the big passing volume and big passing efficiency.
7:41I think he's going to give that to us, but I guess I just don't see, you know, upside like into the
7:47top five quarterbacks, at least unlikely for him to finish at high because of the lack of rushing.
7:52But, again, he's a real easy stack in basketball tournaments because you know a ton of the targets are going to go to C.D.
7:59Lamb and George Pickens. Yeah, totally makes sense. And also I thought it kind of interesting that T.
8:04Higgins has finally, at least for me finally, dropped into a range where I'm actually willing to draft him the past few years.
8:10Seems like he's been propped up into that, you know, definitely top, you know, third round for sure.
8:15Sometimes even second round depending on your format. You know, and now we see him dropping back a few rounds.
8:21Do you see T. as being a real value or no?
8:24Yeah, I think he's the best value among Bengals, right?
8:27Because, again, this is another offense. Obviously, Joe Burrow is what he is.
8:31Chase Brown, I think, is fairly priced in the middle of round two.
8:34Jamar Chase is what he is. But T. Higgins is a guy that was going, yeah, I think at the 2-3 turn last year.
8:41I don't really see a difference in outlook this season.
8:44You know, you're just kind of hoping for Joe Burrow to stay healthy.
8:47Now he's going around later, you know, more closer to the 3-4 turn.
8:51So T. Higgins is a guy. I've liked T.
8:54Higgins for a long, long time. I think people will get scared out just by the fact that he's not his team's number one wide receiver.
9:01But that's not important. What's important is the target share he's going to garner, which is going to be in that 20% range.
9:07And then this Bengals offense, super bankable. We know this is going to be one of, if not the pass-heaviest offenses in the NFL.
9:14And this fantasy environment score backs that up, right?
9:17They have a high implied total. Their defense is sort of projected to be meddling.
9:21They're going to be in plenty of shootouts. So Bengals, like the Cowboys, just a super safe offense to invest in.
9:27Yeah, exactly. We're always looking for those fantasy carnivals where it's, you know, bad defense, good offense.
9:32Offense has to keep scoring to keep up with the defense.
9:35Keeps the passing game chugging along, which is where we get the most fantasy points out of.
9:39And hopefully keeps the running game a little bit on the shelf as long as the outcome is in doubt.
9:45So I think it's also fairly unsurprising that if we scroll down to the bottom, we get the Jets and the Browns as being our worst two.
9:53And by a pretty significant margin. I mean, you know, basically the Jets and the Browns are a full point below the
9:59Raiders, who are like three quarters of a point below the Dolphins.
10:02You know, so we're looking at three pretty bad offenses there.
10:05Are you avoiding all of them pretty much altogether?
10:08Or are you are there certain players you're targeting and why?
10:11Yeah, I think these fantasy environment scores and these implied points per game for these offenses should at least be a warning
10:17that, you know, these guys might have lower floors and probably don't have as high ceilings as some of the guys, you
10:23know, going in similar ranges of drafts that are just going to be in higher scoring offenses.
10:28I will say with the Jets, I was surprised to see them tied for the lowest implied points per game.
10:34And I'm not saying I think this is going to be a great offense, but I would bet on them outscoring, you
10:40know, at least like like Cleveland, Miami. I think, you know, the Jets just have more talent.
10:45They have I still consider Gina like, you know, at least an NFL caliber quarterback.
10:49Like I think he's going to be a big upgrade for what they had last year.
10:53They have they have weapons. I think the offensive line has some potential.
10:57So I'm a little I'm a little higher on the Jets than these lines would suggest.
11:02And I think betting against the Vegas Lions generally doesn't go well.
11:05Like, you know, these guys that are making these know what they're doing.
11:09So I don't want to get to, you know, I know better on this stuff.
11:13But I do think the Jets will be a bit better than their score comes in here.
11:18Garrett Wilson's probably my favorite target, at least among the primary Jets pieces.
11:21I think the price on Brees Hall has gotten a bit aggressive for me.
11:25You know, going I'm seeing going in the early third round pretty consistently at this point.
11:30And I'm generally leaning towards wide receivers in that range of drafts.
11:33But I think Garrett Wilson, maybe the target share comes down a little now that he has more target target competition with the two rookies there.
11:40A.D. Mitchell, you know, in his first full season with the Jets.
11:44But I still think you're going to see Garrett Wilson pretty easily, you know, control targets for the Jets offense.
11:49And I do think the offense will be a bit better than we saw last year.
11:54Yeah, I would certainly hope so. And, you know, I think it's an important caveat that, you know, while you say that
12:00betting against Vegas is pretty much, you know, it's kind of a losing strategy overall.
12:04But one thing that we do know is that there are going to be surprise teams because there are every year.
12:10We know, you know, Vegas doesn't know everything. They can't predict everything.
12:14And so I think, you know, what, you know, kind of the way I use this is I take a look at
12:20this and I go, OK, you know, here's how Vegas is looking at it, you know, from several different angles as far
12:26as, you know, the implied scores, all that. But also, you know, sometimes we're diving into it.
12:31You know, they're setting their lines basically for the general betting public because they're trying to, you know, get action mostly even
12:37or, you know, maybe they might even be trying to push action on one side where they think the other side is the better bet.
12:44So we can't necessarily say that these are, you know, it's not like this is a locked in future or anything like that.
12:50So, you know, I'm definitely taking my bets. But Cleveland, I think you're probably with me that Cleveland is probably the least attractive environment.
12:57And this is what shows. Are you in on Judkins or Fannin at all at their price?
13:02Those are basically the two most expensive Browns. Yeah, I'm with you on the Browns being the least attractive offense in fantasy.
13:08They have the third lowest implied points per game based on the Vegas lines.
13:12I'd bet on them. I'd bet on them finishing below the Jets.
13:15Judkins, I'm pretty much out on. I just I don't want what I think is going to be pretty close to a two down back.
13:22I think you look at what Dylan Sampson did in the passing game last year.
13:27You look at Todd Munkin's history. He tends to favor using two backs.
13:30You know, one is a primary early down ball carrier and one pass catching back.
13:35I think we're going to see that in Cleveland this year.
13:38So I think Judkins, as talented as he might be, is just going to be a two down back on a bad offense.
13:44It's going to be trailing a whole lot. It's just not interesting to me.
13:48Harold Fannin is the guy I'm targeting if I'm targeting any Brown.
13:51I think his price has come down to a spot where he's actually a pretty good value.
13:56I think people are scared off a bit by the fact that they added those two rookie wide receivers.
14:02But to me, like I think Harold Fannin is a bigger issue for those two rookie wide receivers than vice versa.
14:07Right. Like Harold Fannin, historic final college season, then comes out as a rookie.
14:11He scores the fourth most PPR points per game by a rookie tight end since 2000.
14:16That's just a profile I want to bet on, even if we don't think this offense is going to be good.
14:22So Harold Fannin, now that he's going, you know, eighth, ninth round in a lot of these best ball drafts, I think he's a pretty nice value there.
14:30Yeah, I think him and Concepcion kind of turn into the easy buttons on this offense when they're looking for, you know,
14:36just trying to get the ball down the field.
14:38Yeah. Especially if we're talking about garbage time, you know, the defense is going to let Cleveland have those kind of short, easy completions, I think.
14:46You know, and I've been on Concepcion in Boston late just because of the price is super cheap.
14:51You know, and it's just sort of one of those, you never knows.
14:54Denzel Boston has been, he ripped up mini camp, it sounds like.
14:58And, you know, so I'm willing to speculate on that.
15:01But, you know, again, you're taking these players in ranges where it doesn't really matter, you know, if they do good or not, if they don't do well.
15:08You know, just throw them back in and move on if you're talking about redraft.
15:13The Raiders are the one team that is kind of interesting to me because, you know, while they're basically in 30th place
15:19here, they have two players going in round one of FFPC drafts anyway.
15:23Any thoughts on that with Brock Bowers and Ashton Gentry going so high?
15:26Yeah, I mean, this is pretty much the same spot we were in last year, right?
15:31Because, I mean, Brock Bowers and Ashton Gentry were going in similar spots last year.
15:35And this Raiders offense was around the same spot and implied, you know, points.
15:39And I didn't do fantasy environment score last year, but I assume they would have been near the bottom of the league in that as well.
15:46So I will say, you know, so the Raiders are implied for 19.1 points per game, which is one of the lowest marks in the league.
15:53That's still five more points per game than they averaged last year.
15:57They were at 14.2 points per game last year, just an abysmal offense.
16:00So the lines are telling us this offense will be better.
16:04I'm with that. I think, you know, Clint Kubiak coming there, the offensive line got some upgrades and Tyler Linderbaum, hopefully Colton Miller has a healthy season.
16:11So this should at least be like maybe the 24th best O-line instead of the 32nd best O-line as it was last year.
16:18And then, of course, with the Raiders, it's going to be super concentrated.
16:21I mean, I think Ashton Gentry could flirt with the league lead in total touches.
16:25I mean, maybe the offense won't be good enough to get him there.
16:29But in terms of like share of a backfield, I think Gentry's going to be right near the top of the league.
16:35And then Brock Bowers, I mean, his target share ceiling goes as high as you want to think.
16:40I mean, he could get 30% of these teams targets and I would not be surprised.
16:45So I think you're still counting on volume fueling these guys more than efficiency.
16:49And I think both guys are okay where they're going because they're talented enough and because that volume should be there.
16:55Yeah. And, you know, we've got a new coaching staff.
16:58We've got a new quarterback who hopefully will be playing better because the offensive line should definitely be better with Colton Miller
17:04coming back and then Tyler Linderbaum manning the center position.
17:07I think that's going to help with protections a lot and also help create some running lanes for Gentry.
17:12So I've been in on both of those players.
17:14I do like probably Gentry a little bit better where he's going.
17:18Bowers and FFPC, I mean, you know, you basically got to use a mid-round first on him.
17:23And, you know, I definitely want some shares of Bowers, but I don't want to get over crazy on him either.
17:28How about, like, in Miami? Do you think there – I call it the Miami maelstrom of the Malyze because it just
17:35looks really bleak in Miami to me. How do you feel about A-chan with, you know, the general state of the Miami offense?
17:41Yeah, I'm generally avoiding A-chan at cost. I don't think he's super mispriced.
17:45I think, you know, he's pretty consistently dropped into, you know, the early to mid-second round.
17:49I think that's kind of reasonable. He's still – he's just – he's not a guy I'm worried about having like a,
17:55you know, had-to-have-em type season where if you didn't draft Devon A-chan, you're not going to win your fans.
18:01I just don't think there's that type of upside in this offense.
18:04Because, you know, on top of the quarterback concerns with Malik Willis and just how much they're going to throw, A-chan also lost Mike McDaniel.
18:11That's the reason we're so excited about all these Chargers.
18:14Five points per game in fantasy environment score will confirm that this is not expected to be a good offense.
18:20I will say with A-chan, though, a couple things.
18:22I mean, one, he's an awesome player, which is always tough to bet against.
18:26I mean, he led all qualifying running backs last year in yards per carry, yards after contact per attempt.
18:31He was fifth in rush yards over expected per attempt.
18:34So he's an awesome runner. We know he's an awesome pass catcher.
18:38I also just recently looked at how mobile quarterbacks impact running back target share, kind of expecting to find that, you know,
18:44as quarterback rush attempts go up, running back target share goes down.
18:47That's kind of, you know, the general feeling among fantasy players.
18:50Actually, it's not the case. There's very little correlation between mobile quarterbacks and running back target share.
18:55Now, running back targets in general decrease with mobile quarterbacks just because passing volume as a whole decreases, but target share does not.
19:02And you look at the rest of this Dolphins pass catching core, and there's not much there to get excited about.
19:07So I do still think A-chan is going to be a guy who gets at least 15% of this team's targets, maybe up to 20%.
19:14So, you know, again, I think he's fine where he's going, but I'd rather have Ken Walker.
19:19I'd rather have Saquon Barkley. Or I'd rather have, you know, A.J.
19:23Brown or Drake London, you know, in that early second round range.
19:26So I'm just not getting a whole lot of A-chan.
19:29Yeah, that totally makes sense. And, you know, so basically it sounds like with A-chan, you're thinking possibly a larger share of
19:35a smaller pie as far as the receptions and targets.
19:38Are you worried about Willis stealing rushing volume, or do you think that they're just going to be running enough more that it really won't matter?
19:45Yeah, kind of the same deal, I guess, in the opposite direction.
19:48I think A-chan's carry share might decrease, but I think Miami's rushing volume might increase.
19:53I mean, I think this team wants to run as much as they can.
19:57Now, again, it's going to be a bad team, so they're going to find themselves down in plenty of second halves.
20:03And, you know, what's that going to mean to the rushing volume?
20:06We also do know that mobile quarterbacks tend to help running back rushing efficiency, which it's tough to imagine A-chan improving much
20:12there, especially with the loss of Mike McDaniel. But you could see Malik Willis' mobility open up some additional running lanes for A-chan.
20:19Yeah, that totally makes sense. All right, we're going to take a quick break here.
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21:22Okay, and we are back. So, Jared, before we get off the environment scores, did you find any teams that were surprising
21:28to you, either in a good way or a bad way?
21:31Yeah, I have a few. I have two teams that surprised me, coming in a bit higher than expected and one lower than expected.
21:38The first is the Packers, who came in eighth in fantasy environment score.
21:41They're also eighth in implied points per game, higher than I would have guessed.
21:45And the Packers also have the ninth best projected point differential.
21:48Again, they're projected to have a strong offense, strong defense.
21:51They're favored in a lot of games. To me, that's all good news for Josh Jacobson.
21:56I know he's not a fun guy to click.
21:58He's getting up there. He has potentially some off-field concerns, although it seems like he's probably going to escape suspension this season.
22:04But to me, when this guy's healthy, we know what this Packers offense wants to be.
22:09They want to be a ball control, run-leaning offense.
22:11Again, the defense is going to be good this season, especially after they get Micah Parsons back, whenever that happens.
22:17So I've been drafting quite a bit of Josh Jacobs now that he's going in round four.
22:22Yeah, that totally makes sense. I kind of think of him as a little bit of a discount James Cook in that,
22:28you know, so far the targets haven't been a huge part of his game.
22:32But, you know, he does get the lion's share of the rushing work and, you know, pretty much all of the touchdowns on the ground.
22:39He doesn't even have, you know, like James Cook has Josh Allen to deal with as far as touchdowns go.
22:45And, you know, for rushing Jordan Love, while he's capable, he's no Josh Allen.
22:48So really like that. Who else did you have?
22:51Yeah, so the Colts. And I think there's kind of like a mixed message with the Colts.
22:56So they're 11th in fantasy environment score. They're 16th in implied points per game.
23:00But the Colts are projected to allow the fifth most points per game.
23:03They're favored in just 10 of their 17 games.
23:06So these Vegas lines are kind of telling us this team is probably going to take a step back after it got
23:12off to such a hot start last year. Potentially this team finds itself trailing in more games, as it did over the
23:18second half of last season once they, you know, lost Daniel Jones.
23:22So to me, that's a bit worrisome for Jonathan Taylor, who we know, you know, kind of at least wants that positive
23:28game script to have the big fantasy games because he'll contribute in the passing game.
23:32But, you know, he makes his money with the rushing production.
23:35So a bit worried about JT. And then this, you know, the fantasy environment score and the implied points per game and
23:41the fact that the Colts are projected to allow the fifth most points has me a bit more interested in the passing game.
23:48I think Tyler Warren, especially. I think, you know, Colson Lovelland gets a lot of hype, as he should.
23:53We're going to talk about him a bit later.
23:56But I think Tyler Warren had an excellent rookie season.
23:58He was an excellent prospect. And if this Colts team does find itself trailing more this season and is throwing more passes,
24:05I think you could see Tyler Warren have a really big season.
24:08Yeah, I'm with you there. You know, the only thing that holds me back from that passing game is just, you know,
24:14what kind of condition is Daniel Jones' Achilles in?
24:17And, you know, how much is it affecting the passing game?
24:20Because other than that, I'm with you. I think it looks like wheels up here for the passing game.
24:25What else? Yeah, the last one is one on the negative side.
24:29And one I'm trying to just ignore because I love the Jags offense this season.
24:33I think, you know, the offense was good last year.
24:36It was even better over the second half of the season and down the stretch.
24:40Now you're heading into year two under Liam Cohen.
24:42But these, you know, Vegas Lions, the Jags are just 14th in fantasy environment score.
24:47And they're just 18th in implied points per game.
24:49I mean, that'd be a huge drop from where they finished last year, how many points per game they averaged last year.
24:55So this is what I'm kind of wrestling with, like what to do with the Jags because we have them high in our rankings.
25:02I've been drafting a ton of Trevor Lawrence. I've been mixing in the wide receivers, you know, especially in best ball.
25:08But, you know, the Vegas stuff, this is definitely a spot like you said, Dan.
25:12And I want to kind of bet against Vegas and say they're wrong here.
25:16And this Jags offense is going to be quite a bit better than, you know, how they have projected.
25:21Yeah, that definitely makes sense. You know, and one of the things I really like about this concept that you came up
25:28with is it really pulls in strength of schedule in a way that we can measure a little bit better other than
25:34just kind of, you know, looking at a schedule and going, oh, well, gosh, that's a hard schedule or, oh, gosh, this is an easy schedule.
25:41So, you know, this puts a little bit more into it as far as, you know, both how can this offense do against this defense?
25:48And, you know, are they likely to be high scoring games or low scoring games?
25:52You know, because the Jaguars could end up in a lot more low scoring games this year just because they have a
25:59decent defense and they're playing a bunch of decent offenses.
26:01But, again, I'm with you. I do like the Jag offense more than what this ranking seems to.
26:06And I'm with you. I think it's totally okay that, you know, we say, hey, this is a place where I want to place my bet against Vegas.
26:14So we'll do that. Moving on, let's talk a little bit about general draft strategy.
26:18Every year, Jared, I think, you know, it kind of changes how we handle the quarterback position.
26:23You know, we're always looking at quarterback. And, you know, some years it seems like they get pushed way up.
26:29Other years it seems like they get pushed way back.
26:32This year it seems like Josh Allen is a consensus number one.
26:35And after that, quarterback is a little bit cheaper this year than last year.
26:39Is that doing anything to the way that you're handling the position?
26:42Yeah, I mean, fantasy drafters remain reactionary. I think we've gotten smarter as a community and not overweighting what we saw last year.
26:49But it's still happening with the elite quarterbacks this year.
26:52It was a down year for that cohort in general.
26:54I mean, mostly because of injuries, right? I mean, Lamar Jackson had injuries.
26:58Jaden Daniels' season was basically awash because of injuries.
27:01So these guys are just cheaper in general. So I'm definitely drafting more high-end quarterbacks this year than I was last year,
27:07kind of taking advantage of this discount. Drake May and Jalen Hurts are my two favorite targets, you know, among those elite quarterbacks.
27:13They're generally available in round five or six in a lot of these drafts.
27:17I mean, Drake May was quarterback three in fantasy points per game last year.
27:21In his second NFL season, in his first season in Josh McDaniels' offense with a pretty mediocre supporting cast.
27:27Now he has another year of experience in that offense.
27:29He adds A.J. Brown. He adds Romeo Dobbs. The offensive line has some young pieces that, you know, at least hopefully are better in year two.
27:37You know, May gives you sneaky rushing ability. So Drake May is my favorite target in terms of high-end quarterbacks.
27:42And I like Jalen Hurts, too. I mean, he's just a bet on this offense being better now that they have Sean Manning in there.
27:49I think, you know, hopefully a legitimate offensive coordinator.
27:52I know they obviously lose A.J. Brown, but they add a couple rookie weapons.
27:56So there's still plenty of weaponry here. I still think Jalen Hurts is going to give you a ton of rushing production on the ground.
28:03I mean, even last year, Hurts finished quarterback seven in fantasy points per game.
28:07That's where he's going in drafts right now. So I think he's basically being drafted at his floor.
28:12Yeah. It seemed like the media spent most of the offseason beating up Jalen Hurts, and it's kind of been reflected in his fantasy ranking, ADP.
28:19And, you know, one of the things I like is the fact that he just didn't score that many rushing touchdowns last
28:25year, and that's probably going to, you know, head a little bit back towards normal this year.
28:30How about the tight end position? What kinds of things are you doing there?
28:34Tight end is always one that we always think there's a ton of tight ends until the season starts.
28:39And then, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, I guess there's only two or three after all.
28:44Yeah, I think that's right. And that's why I think Colson Loveland, it starts there for me at tight end.
28:50And I love Brock Bowers. I love Trey McBride.
28:52But there is a huge opportunity cost to taking those guys if you're talking, you know, mid round one or late round
28:58one in FFPC or, you know, late second to early third in, you know, these underdog drafts or these non-tight end premium drafts.
29:05That's a tough price to pay. Whereas, you know, Colson Loveland, you can still generally get him in round four, at least
29:11in, you know, the non-tight end premium. And I think the quality of running backs and wide receivers going in that range,
29:17I'm just I'm less scared to pass those guys up for Loveland, who I think at this time next year, we could
29:23be talking about Colson Loveland right alongside Brock Bowers and Trey McBride, both as a real life talent and a fantasy producer.
29:30I mean, you just look at Loveland. He checks every box, right?
29:33He was a really strong prospect. He had good production at Michigan.
29:36He goes 10th overall. He was super efficient throughout his rookie season.
29:40He was top six among 38 qualifying tight ends in both yards per route and targets per route.
29:45So he was producing on a per route basis all year long.
29:48Then he finally gets the full-time role over the final few games of the regular season into the playoffs and puts up huge numbers.
29:55Now he heads into his second season, Ben Johnson's second season, Cale Williams' third season.
29:59This offense is on the ascent. And I think Colson Loveland is really going to be the engine of the passing game.
30:05Yeah, I really like the Loveland bet there, too.
30:08He's a player that I was actively moving to try to acquire in Dynasty over the offseason.
30:13Last year in rookie drafts, he was a player that I was targeting heavily.
30:17You know, it really took most of the year for him to finally start paying off.
30:21But, you know, that's the way it goes with tight ends a lot of times.
30:25We don't always see our bet pay off in year one.
30:28But if we're patient, things can work out well.
30:31The one tight end that I've really had trouble clicking is Trey McBride just because of, you know, the opportunity cost there.
30:37And really his run out last year, I think, was just like, I think it's quite possible that last year ends up being his career year.
30:44Just he had so many more routes run, so many more targets.
30:48You know, he got, what was it, 11 touchdowns.
30:50I mean, it just, everything broke completely right for him.
30:53And I have a hard time seeing that this year, especially if we see Carson Beck get in there and play quarterback for a meaningful number of games.
31:01And that could be happening during the fantasy playoffs, too, which is something we don't want to see.
31:06Because, you know, Jacoby Brissett, he relentlessly targets tight ends.
31:09And, you know, unless Beck does the same thing, and unless Beck can throw as well as Brissett, you're probably looking at a huge downgrade here.
31:16Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not getting much Trey McBride.
31:19That was just an outlier season for that entire Cardinals offense.
31:22We can look at how many times they threw the ball.
31:25Even over the second half of the season, Marvin Harrison Jr.
31:28was not healthy for most of that stretch. And he's back now.
31:32Michael Wilson broke out during that time Harrison was out.
31:35We'll see how big of a role he plays.
31:37They add Jeremiah Love. He's, you know, both probably is going to push the Cardinals to at least want to run the
31:43ball more than even when they do pass. You know, it loves just another target competition for Trey McBride.
31:49I mean, the one thing I will say for Trey McBride is that he has established himself as kind of like a
31:5525% target share guy because that's where he was last year.
31:58That's where he was in 2024. That's even where he was over the second half of 2023.
32:03So, like, he has established himself as a high-end target earner.
32:06So, I don't think his target share is going to sink a whole lot.
32:10It'll probably sink a bit just because of those, you know, extra bodies in Arizona.
32:14But just the passing volume in general is coming down for the Cardinals.
32:18And like you said, Danny, this could just be a totally dead offense over the final couple months of the season that
32:24we just don't want anything to do with. Yeah, that makes sense.
32:27And that's a good point about his target share staying pretty consistent because that is, I think, one of the things that,
32:33you know, we can carry year over year tends to be a little bit more sticky.
32:38So, hopefully for the McBride drafters, that continues to be the case.
32:41And I think there's a good chance it will.
32:44Any lessons, Jared, that you learned from last year that you're bringing into this year?
32:48Yeah, so this is one I still want to flesh out a little bit.
32:52I'm actually hoping to write an article for DraftSharks on this sometime within the next month if I can find some time.
32:58But it's about the shifting wide receiver landscape in the NFL.
33:01And this kind of goes along with all the, you know, two tight end and three tight end stuff you've been hearing.
33:07Just a few years on average, the team's number three wide receivers and even team's number two wide receivers, their fantasy production is down.
33:14The true alpha number one wide receivers, it's a pretty small list.
33:17It's the, you know, the Pukas, the JSNs, the Amon Ross St.
33:21Browns. Those guys are at least, their production is at least flat from where it's been.
33:25And in some cases, it's even up from where it's been over the past few seasons.
33:30So that just makes them way more valuable, right?
33:32Because the gap between, you know, those top guys and that, you know, middle tier has just grown.
33:37So that has me, that has me going wide receiver heavier early in drafts than the market.
33:42You know, what we're seeing, you know, early round running backs make a resurgence this year.
33:47We talked about how this happened with quarterbacks, how the high end guys disappointed so they're cheaper.
33:51High end running backs delivered last year and people are reacting to that and drafting them, you know, more and more in
33:58the first and second round, but I'm, I'm kind of leaning in the other direction.
34:02I do still like to get at least, you know, one high end guy in the first two rounds, but, you know,
34:08give me, give me the Pukas chase, you know, Amon Ross St.
34:11Brown at fifth or sixth overall. Like I, I like getting those elite, elite wide receivers.
34:16Yeah, that totally makes sense to me. And I, you know, I, I've kind of noticed the same thing as far as,
34:22uh, you know, the wide receivers, the elite guys are still just as elite as they ever were.
34:27But where we see is the secondary and tertiary targets.
34:30It's, uh, there's a lot more variability to, to their scores, you know, and it, it, it seems to me that we're
34:36seeing, you know, more four or five, six point games and, you know, the occasional 18, 19 point game rather than a
34:42lot of games that are more in the, you know, eight to 13 point range or something like that.
34:48Is it, is that something you've seen? Yeah, for sure.
34:50And again, it really comes back to the playing time, right?
34:54If teams are playing more tight ends on passing downs, you're just getting fewer routes out of these wide receivers and it's
35:00not, it's not fewer routes from those top guys, right?
35:03I mean, Jamar chase is not coming off the field.
35:05I'm on Ross St. Brown's not coming off the field, but it's those, you know, third wide receivers, especially and in some
35:12cases, even the second wide receivers who just aren't playing as much.
35:15And that's just going to make their scoring more volatile from week to week.
35:19Yeah, it totally makes sense. And obviously the best time to, uh, be playing zero running back or hero running back is
35:25when everybody else is going robust running back. Exactly.
35:28Cause that gives you the chance to get more, you know, it'll, it'll push some really good receivers down a little bit.
35:34And so you can pick up that extra one or maybe even two great wide receivers than you can normally get, uh,
35:40in the early rounds and then pivot over to running back.
35:43So I like that a lot. Uh, that's, that's something that I've been definitely playing around with some too.
35:48You know, I've got, I've got some robust teams.
35:51I've got some hero teams and, but I've got quite a few that are also, uh, zero running back or, you know, something close to it anyway.
35:59I don't know if they would be technically, you know, according to the Sean Siegel definition, zero running back.
36:04Yeah. You can get, you can get three top 12, uh, top 12 wide receivers this year in drafts, you know, fairly
36:10easily, but you just really couldn't do the last couple of years.
36:13Yeah, exactly. And that's a, that's, that's, that's a lot of fun too.
36:17So, okay. Um, just moving into the news, um, big news on Alvin Kamara taking, uh, sounds like a pay cut.
36:23Um, how does that affect your views on him and, uh, Travis ETN?
36:27Are you adjusting the ranks on that or was it already kind of baked in?
36:31Yeah, it was mostly baked in on Kamara for us.
36:34Um, you know, I, I don't think New Orleans really wanted him back.
36:37I think they were kind of hoping he just retired, but if you look at his contract, it would have cost the
36:44saints about 18 million in dead cap space to either cut or trade him.
36:47I don't think there was much of a trademark for Alvin Kamara at this point.
36:52And so it seems like they just, you know, kind of became resigned to the fact that, you know, Alvin Kamara is going to be back this season.
37:00They did, like you said, Dan, get him to agree to what I think was a pay go.
37:05I don't think we've seen the exact details yet, but I assume he took a pretty big cut to stay there.
37:11Um, I, I have no interest in Alvin Kamara.
37:13Um, he just looks super wash. You look at any advanced metrics, he was near the bottom of the league and both rushing and receiving metrics.
37:20I mean, he was 36th among 40 running backs in yards per out run last year.
37:25And, you know, that's like a Kamara calling card.
37:27He's been so good in the passing game for so long, but he wasn't even effective there last year.
37:33I do. I do think it's at least slightly bad news for Travis HN, like more competition in the backfield is not a good thing.
37:40Again, I don't think Kamara is going to play a huge role, especially on the ground.
37:44I think maybe he, he does plan some passing down, steals some targets from HN, but, um, he wasn't a guy I was super interested in anyways.
37:52I think, um, his advanced metrics last year were not super impressive.
37:55I think he was mostly a product of that Liam Cohen offense.
37:59Um, we'll see what happens to HN's price. Now, if he starts getting into, you know, round five, say, because of this
38:05Kamara news, that's when I might start to take some shots on him.
38:08Yeah, definitely. Uh, yeah, I tweeted out yesterday. I think, you know, here it comes probably a 30% cut in his, uh, ADP.
38:15Um, you know, and I, I think it's going to go down some, it, it will be interesting to see how far it goes down.
38:22Yep. Um, and I also, I noticed you're, uh, you've made the conversion over to HN.
38:26I'm still working on that one. I asked like clicking my brain right before I say it.
38:31Like I wanted to say ETN multiple times there, but I'm, I'm, I'm trying.
38:35You're doing well. You're doing well. You're, you're beating me on that one for sure.
38:39So, um, it, it, it also, uh, news came out yesterday.
38:42It looks like, uh, Patrick Mahomes is on track to play week one, allegedly.
38:46Um, you know, it, it's been kind of running that way for a while, but, uh, where do you have them slotted amongst your quarterbacks?
38:53And pulling up our rankings right now, I mean, we, we've had him projected for 17 games for a while now.
38:59Um, but he is still just quarterback 14 for us actually tied with bone next for quarterback 13 and 14, um, which
39:06I think is still a bit lower than he is in ADP.
39:09Um, you know, my homes was good in fantasy last year.
39:12It was largely because of his rushing production. 22% of my homes fantasy points last year came via rushing.
39:17He had never hit 13% prior to last year as a passer.
39:21It's still, it still just wasn't very good. Um, he actually set career lows last year in a ton of categories, completion
39:27rate, adjusted completion rate on target throw percentage, all career lows for my homes.
39:31I said, listen, I still think he's a great quarterback, but the chiefs didn't, they didn't do anything to improve his supporting cast.
39:37They're hoping to get a healthy and, you know, uh, quiet off field season from, from Rasheed Rice.
39:42I think they're hoping for a healthier season and more productive season from Xavier worthy.
39:47But I still have concerns about the supporting cast around Patrick Mahomes.
39:50And I don't think he's going to give us anywhere near the level of rushing he did last year coming off that knee injury.
39:57Yeah. I think that's really fair to say on the rushing and, uh, you know, also, uh, you know, with Rasheed Rice
40:03with his, you know, potential issues legally, uh, you know, because he he's already gone to jail once, uh, for 30 days,
40:09you know, and it sounds like if there's any more screw ups, it's going to be, you know, right back to jail again.
40:16Um, that type of thing. And he's had plenty of trouble staying healthy over the past couple of years as well.
40:21Um, I don't know if I'm ready to call him injury prone, but, uh, I'm certainly not going to call him resilient at this point.
40:28So, you know, if, and when you're looking at a number one receiver like that, uh, that's in that condition, you've got,
40:35uh, Travis Kelsey, who's, you know, 38 years or 36 years old.
40:38And, you know, he's, he, he's clearly on the decline in Xavier worthy, who still hasn't amounted to anything.
40:43You know, it's, it's tough to look at this passing game and go, yeah, my homes is going to be just fine.
40:50Um, he's, he's definitely been a player I've been fading.
40:52Um, another injured player, George Kittle also might be on track for week one.
40:56They're saying, are you buying that news or, or do you think that's more hype than, uh, anything?
41:01I'm, I'm buying the news that he might be ready for week one.
41:05I think the whole, uh, uh, playing an Australia thing probably will keep Kittle off the field for week one, but right
41:11now we haven't projected back for week two. So we have just, just missing that first game.
41:16And Kittle is someone I'm buying. Um, I think at his cost, I'm just looking at her now, you know, he's still
41:22going in the 10th round in underdog basketball drafts.
41:25He's going in the eighth round and FFPC, which again is tight end premium.
41:29I just think he's worth the risk at that cost.
41:31I mean, how many guys have the type of upside that George Kittle does going in that range of drafts, even if he's 90% of what he was.
41:39Um, and this is, you know, these injuries got injured guys.
41:42They should be healthier as they get later in the season.
41:45And we know, you know, there's late season season games mean so much more for fantasy than the early season ones do.
41:52And, you know, Kittle was still awesome last year.
41:54He was tight on three and fantasy points per game.
41:57He was tight on four and yards per out run.
42:00He was tight on one in PFF receiving grade.
42:02So there was no decline last year. Again, you know, coming off the Achilles, it's obviously a big deal.
42:08Maybe he's never the same player again, but I'm just, I'm just willing to take the chance on him at his current cost for, for the ceiling.
42:15Yeah, I'm right there with you. Kittle is a guy I've been pretty happy to, to take this discount on and see
42:21what happens because he's going at an area of the draft.
42:25If you know what, if you're wrong, it's, it's not a big deal.
42:28Um, you know, you, you can survive this and, you know, especially in managed leagues, uh, you know, there's always a tight
42:34end or two that pops during the course of the season.
42:38And, you know, when you can get a guy like, uh, you know, a Dalton Schultz ridiculously late in drafts who, you
42:44know, is going to have a nice solid floor, you know, even if Kittle isn't ready exactly week one, you've got time
42:50to, you know, to let him round into shape.
42:52So, uh, love that, love the kiddo idea there.
42:55How about, uh, Sam Laporta, any concerns with that back injury?
42:58Yeah, I'm, I'm treating it as a non-issue. Um, the, the news has been kind of light on it.
43:03I know he, he did a little, uh, this spring and I, it seems like he's on track to be ready to go for training camp.
43:11So I, I don't have any like injury docs on Laporta at this point.
43:15He's someone I'll definitely mix in from time to time in drafts.
43:18You know, I I'm generally like, give me Colson Loveland or I'm waiting for that.
43:22George Kittle Dalton Kincaid range is my tight end one.
43:25And then probably taking the tight end two shortly thereafter.
43:28But I think Laporta is intriguing where he's going.
43:30Um, you know, he's, he's going well behind Tucker craft.
43:33And I think those guys are pretty similar in outlook.
43:36Um, you know, Laporta was tight on seven last year in PPR points per game before going down with the back injury.
43:42He actually set career highs last year and yards per route and PFF receiving grade.
43:46He was fifth among 49 qualifying tight ends in both of those metrics.
43:50And he's still just 25 years old. I mean, former high second round pick was tight end one in fantasy as a
43:56rookie in 2023 before, you know, dealing with some of these injury issues.
44:00So I could definitely see a pretty nice bounce back season for Sam Laporta.
44:04And we didn't even get into true petzing who, um, you know, it's tough to know how much petzing had to do
44:10with the huge training pride seasons in the last two years.
44:13I think a bread probably would have gone off with or without petzing, but even you go back to 2023, the season
44:19where Zachary started as Arizona's lead tight end and that Cardinals team under petzing finished fifth in total tight end PPR points.
44:25So there might be something to this thing where, you know, petzing could, could be a boost for Sam Laporta.
44:31Wow. That would be incredible. And then, uh, that, that would have to be bad news for Jamison Williamson, right?
44:37Yep. Yeah. And I'm, I'm kind of off Jamison Williams at cost right now.
44:41Um, you know, so you look at JMO last year, he was wide receiver 21 in PPR points per game, but he
44:47was wide receiver 48 in target share. He was wide receiver 38 and expected points per game.
44:52And that all was worse over the first half of the season when Sam Laporta was healthy.
44:56Williams was actually a wide receiver 59 over those first nine games in both target share and expected points per game.
45:02Now, obviously he's a big play guy. He plays in a high scoring offense.
45:06We should expect him to be efficient and outproduce his expected points per game, but man, wide receiver 59 for a guy
45:12who's going, you know, inside the top 30 wide receivers in ADP.
45:16You're, you're really asking a lot in terms of efficiency for Jamison Williams.
45:19So he's a guy I'm mostly fading. He's, he's better in basketball because he's going to give you those spike weeks.
45:25Um, but there's other receivers in that range I would, I would rather have.
45:29Yeah. Makes sense. So, uh, uh, would you be going with, uh, Jamison Williams or, um, who, who, who else in that
45:35range would you be taking over Jamison Williams? Um, and I'm pulling up ADP.
45:39Like, I mean, Devonta Adams, I like over, uh, Jamo looks like he, you know, he's, he's a half round ahead.
45:45Uh, Jalen Waddle and Terry McLaurin in the FFPC, uh, ADP I'm looking at are right next to Jamison Williams.
45:51I like those guys pretty easily over him. I like Mike Evans.
45:54I like Christian Watson over Jamison Williams. Again, there's just, there's just a lot of receivers in that range.
46:00I would rather have. Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah.
46:02I started out going heavy on Watson. And then I kind of switched over to Jamo for a while and I'm back on Watson now.
46:09So it totally makes similar, similar players. I just, I think, I think Watson has a better path to targets this season.
46:15Yeah, you're probably right. Uh, and I, I noticed you were, uh, tweeting a little bit about, um, you know, the, the lions run run game.
46:23Um, you know, we're looking at, they, they've got what they had 400 and some rush attempts last year and over a hundred targets.
46:29Is that right? Yeah. Yep. And so, you know, you get, you got to ask yourself, um, you know, how much of that can Gibbs really handle?
46:37Um, do you think Isaiah Pacheco is up to taking on a David Montgomery role?
46:41Yeah, well, I, I hope so. Cause I've drafted a lot of Isaiah Pacheco.
46:45Um, and I, I, I don't think he's going to get like the old David Montgomery role where he was like a legitimate RB three flex play.
46:53Um, cause if you look at even last year, Jamir Gibbs over the second half of the season, his role increased Montgomery
46:59at that point was more like RB 45 and, and fancy points.
47:02I don't have the exact number in front of me, but he was, he was pretty close to a non factor in
47:09terms of like a managed league fantasy starter. I think that's most likely for Pacheco.
47:13Now I do think in best ball, because his offense is so good and going to score so many points.
47:18I think Pacheco will probably just run into enough touchdowns, you know, four or five, six touchdowns where he's going to, um,
47:25start for you some weeks in, in best ball.
47:27And then the managed leaks to me, he's just a relatively cheap high end handcuff.
47:31Like if they don't add anyone else, which I, I think it's more likely than not.
47:36And if Pacheco enters the season as the clear number two, like at worst, he's a Jamir Gibbs injury away from having
47:42a pretty sizable role in this, you know, top five lines offense.
47:45Yeah, it makes sense. I've been thinking about the lions as possibly a sneaky Najee Harris landing spot.
47:50You think there's a, that that's a possibility. Could be.
47:53I mean, I would not be shocked if they add something because they have nothing behind Pacheco and they only gave Pacheco
47:59a one year deal under $2 million. Now it was all guaranteed.
48:03So I think Pacheco's roster spot is safe, but I think his contract doesn't, you know, stop them from signing another back.
48:09If maybe if they don't like what they see from Pacheco this summer.
48:13Makes sense. How about Jadarian price? Are you in or out on him at current cost?
48:17I'm more out than in on price. Um, and I, I have a few concerns.
48:21Um, one, I think the, the situation just isn't as good as some people think, you know, last year, the Seahawks, despite
48:28having, you know, this super strong season in general, a strong season from the offense, a lot of positive game scripts, the
48:34Seahawks were still just 13th as a team in total running back PPR points.
48:38And the, of course, now they lose Clint Kubiak.
48:40I think the office is going to take a step back.
48:43It's just, it's not going to be as efficient as it was last year.
48:47That'd be very difficult to match. Even if Kubiak was back, it'd be difficult to match their efficiency last year.
48:53I think they're going to take a pretty big hit there without Kubiak.
48:57So I don't think the situation is as good as people think for Jadarian price.
49:01And I'm also worried about the pass catching role.
49:03He has, you know, nothing on his resume in terms of pass catching.
49:07They seems like they like George Helani in that role enough.
49:10They like Zach Charbonnet in their role, obviously, whenever he comes back.
49:13So I just, I don't think price is going to do enough in the passing game to, you know, like hit a ceiling.
49:20That's going to make me regret not having much of them.
49:23Yeah. That's, that's kind of how I look at him too.
49:26I mean, I know there's a lot of people out there, uh, you know, on social media going, you know, how is
49:32George Helani going to stop Jadarian price from doing anything?
49:35And it's, well, you know, he's probably not going to stop price, but all he has to do is just knock him
49:41off the tracks enough to, uh, you know, to make it, you know, where it's, it's either not a good pick or,
49:47you know, at best you're returning value. And that's kind of how I see him as he's a player that I think will at best return value.
49:55Uh, but interesting on the Seahawks, if you're, if you're down on them, are you also, uh, out on JSN at his
50:01current cost or how do you feel about him?
50:04Yeah. I mean, it's tough to say I'm out.
50:06Like if I have the one Oh five, I'm usually just taking JSN to get some of them.
50:11I think you would definitely make an argument for Amon Ross St.
50:15Brown over JSN. I think you could easily make an argument for Christian McCaffrey over JSN.
50:19I mean, McCaffrey is much riskier just because of the age and the injury stuff.
50:23But like if CMC stays healthy again, this season, he's going to be a more valuable fantasy asset for JSN.
50:29So I wouldn't say I'm out on JSN, but I probably am a bit lower than consensus.
50:34Yeah. I think that makes sense. I've definitely been taking ARSB over him, um, a little bit too.
50:39And I think it's a great point that you just brought up about Christian McCaffrey, you know, that it's important that we
50:45look at, um, look at him in terms of not, you know, well, what is the downside, but you know, what is the upside?
50:52Because, you know, if he does stay healthy and, you know, you can have your doubts about that, but you know, if
50:58he's a healthy player for, you know, 16, 17 games, he's probably going to win your league.
51:03For sure. I mean, it's tricky because he's pricier this year than he was last year and he's another year older and is coming off a huge workload.
51:11So like I, I was in on CMC last year and that was obviously awesome.
51:15It's it's that makes it, I think tougher for me to click them just because it's like I'm paying more and the situation might be even riskier.
51:22But I mean, Dan, you're right. If he, if he has a healthy season, he's going to be right there with Gibbs,
51:29with Bijan and you know, he's going to be one of the five most valuable players in fantasy.
51:34Yeah, exactly. So yeah, he's a, he's a player.
51:36I don't love clicking, but I also, uh, you know, it's kind of, you know, eat your vegetables type of player.
51:42Um, you know, you, you, you want to make sure that you have some of them in, uh, in the portfolio for sure.
51:49Um, how, how about some of those running backs coming off Andrew?
51:52You are, we already talked about Judkins, but, uh, Cam Skadabo, you in or out on him?
51:57Yeah. Um, I'm pretty in on Skadabo actually. Um, I, I, he's just, he's just like built a score of fancy points, right?
52:03Like he's, he's a big back that can handle big workloads and goal line work.
52:07And he's a good pass catcher. And that's, that's like the nuts and fancy.
52:11That's what we want our running backs to do.
52:14And we saw it last year in, in his six full games, as the giants lead back, he was the RB five in expected PPR points per game.
52:22He was the RB eight in actual points per game.
52:25And he's sitting RB 19 and 80 pier now.
52:27So I think a lot of the risk with the injury and with the offense in general, which I do have some
52:33concerns with, especially with, you know, Matt Nagy as the offensive coordinator there, I think just a lot of that's built in to the cost.
52:40Um, I think, I think Scadabo could, you know, flirt with RB one production this season.
52:45Yeah, definitely. How about, uh, RJ Harvey? He's picked up some additional competition and we found out, uh, kind of late in
52:51the off season that he was dealing with a shoulder injury.
52:54Does that make you more or less likely to draft him?
52:57Uh, the shoulder is kind of a non issue for me.
53:00It doesn't seem like it's going to be a factor, uh, come, you know, the start of this season.
53:06I'm, I'm more in on JK Dobbins than RJ Harvey though.
53:09I, I kind of think, you know, how many times have we seen these Sean Payton offenses have like the designated pass
53:15catching back and that can obviously be valuable in fantasy, but I think that's kind of the direction Harvey is headed where
53:21he's, you know, maybe going to mix in for a handful of carries per game, but do most of his work in the passing game.
53:28I think, you know, JK Dobbins was awesome last year.
53:31He was fourth in rush yards over expected per attempt last year.
53:34He was top 15 in both yards after contact per attempt and missed tackles forced per attempt.
53:39And then the Broncos go right out and give him that two year, $16 million deal.
53:44He was obviously a priority for them to bring back.
53:46Um, so I think he's, I think Dobbins is going to continue to be the pretty clear lead ball carrier.
53:52And the other thing with Harvey is I'm not even sure how much handcuff value he has.
53:57Cause I think if Dobbins goes down, um, you know, maybe Jonah Coleman doesn't get all of JK Dobbins work, but I
54:03think he kind of steps into that role as the early down grinder and, you know, it takes a lot of those
54:09carries and, you know, Harvey kind of stays in a similar role.
54:13Yeah. Makes sense. I've definitely been in on Dobbins.
54:15I think he's a really easy click where he's going, uh, you know, cause I don't expect him to last the season.
54:21I mean, you know, I think we're kind of resigned to that by this point, but you know, that's, that's pretty valuable
54:27if you can get a half a season or a little bit more out of him, um, you know, at that level
54:34of production, uh, I think he's more than paid off as his purchase price there.
54:38Uh, Bucky Irving is another one that's kind of, um, he, he struggled with injury.
54:42It sounds like he's okay right now. I was a little bit worried when, uh, Todd Bowles was going, well, we'll see
54:48him sometime in the summer or fall, you know, it's like, what?
54:52Um, how, how are you handling Bucky? Are you more Bucky, more Gainwell?
54:55Neither one. What are you thinking? I haven't been drafting a ton of either.
54:59I think they're both kind of fairly priced though.
55:02Um, you know, with Bucky, for me, the concern is less the injuries from last year and more of the fact that
55:08they added kind of Gainwell and return Sean Tucker.
55:10And I think Gainwell is an obvious threat on, in, in, you know, past catching situations.
55:15I think Tucker is an obvious threat at the goal line.
55:18Bucky Irving did not have a single carry inside the five yard line last year.
55:22It was, it was Sean Tucker and Rashad white.
55:25I think it was like 11 to zero in carries inside the five between those two guys and Bucky Irving in, in Bucky Irving's healthy games last season.
55:33So I just, I'm just worried Irving. He's, I think he's a good bet to lead the backfield touches, but like, is
55:39he going to lose past catching work and goal line work?
55:42And again, going back to the scatterboot thing, like that's what we want.
55:46That's what scores fantasy points. I think Irving could have, could have a lot of like empty touches where he's getting 15
55:52touches per game, but they're just not producing a whole lot of fantasy points.
55:56Yeah. Yeah. Totally makes sense. I've, I've been out on him as well.
55:59I've been taking a little bit of Gainwell. Um, his, his price rose for a little bit and I slacked off, but,
56:06um, you know, where, where I'm seeing him drop, uh, he's somebody I'm not afraid to take just because of the, you
56:12know, if Bucky does get hurt, I think that really does benefit Gainwell, uh, more so than Tucker.
56:17Yeah. I think Gainwell's fine where he's going. I think he's kind of the guy who can give you some standalone value and also has that handcuff upside.
56:25Yep. So you're, you're pretty famously in on Devante Adams.
56:28How about Mike Evans? Yeah. I, I honestly, I like them both.
56:31Um, I think Evans just is kind of the obvious candidate to be this year's Devante Adams or this, you know, older guy changes teams.
56:38But I mean, Evans, like Adams is an established elite touchdown producer now joining a team under Kyle Shanahan.
56:43And especially with Brock Purdy, who, you know, Purdy has one of the highest passing touchdown rates among active quarterbacks.
56:49So it's a pretty intriguing combination when you talk about, you know, what Purdy's done and what Evans has done.
56:55I think he, you know, he could score double digit touchdowns.
56:58I would not be surprised at all. Yeah. Yeah.
57:00Totally makes sense to me. Um, I, I think it's a very interesting, uh, receiving core with Kittle, Pierce, all and Evans
57:06all being a little bit injury prone. I think there, you know, there's some risk with all of them, but on the
57:12other hand, if, uh, you know, if any one of them is out, the other two are in, I think that's going to benefit them a lot.
57:20So, you know, I'm, I'm taking my stabs on all three for sure.
57:24Um, how about the rookie wide receivers? Have you been, you know, uh, Carnell Tate, uh, Jordan Tyson, Makai Lemon have been
57:30the, the, you know, the trio of more expensive ones.
57:33Have you been in on any of them at cost?
57:36Uh, Jordan Tyson's definitely my favorite. Um, and it's largely just cause I want to be in on this saints passing game.
57:42I think Kellen Moore consistently runs these high tempo offenses that finished near the top of the league in plays.
57:47We, we saw it again last year with the saints.
57:50I think Tyler shock showed quite a bit over the second half of the season.
57:54I think he could take a step forward in year two and you know, Tyson for, he was my wide receiver one,
58:01like pre-draft and I, I still like him best in dynasty.
58:04And I, I think he's right there with Colonel Tate in, in redraft in terms of, you know, 20, 26 projection and,
58:10uh, Tyson tends to go a bit later. So he, he's definitely my favorite of the three.
58:15You, you and I are thinking exactly like there, Jared.
58:17I'm, I'm glad to hear that. So, um, are there any of the later?
58:21Around rookies that you like a lot, or are they with this down class?
58:25Do you, do you feel like they might not be good bets?
58:29Yeah. There's, there's no one I love. Um, you mentioned Casey Concepciona.
58:32He's probably my favorite among those. Um, I know, no, it's not the first one to make the, the Zay flowers connection
58:38with Todd Bunkin, but I do think Concepciona is, is a similar type of player where I think you said at the
58:44end, he can kind of get some of those easy button targets.
58:48I think they probably want to use them in the running game a bit as well, which is always kind of a,
58:54I think underrated factor for wide receivers. Those guys who can give you, you know, 150, 200 rushing yards, that makes a
59:00big deal over the course of a season. So Concepciona would probably be my favorite, but it's definitely, I think a season
59:06to not go too heavy on the rookie wide receivers.
59:09Yeah. That makes sense to me too. You know, and like I said, I've, I've been in on Boston a little bit,
59:15you know, places where I don't get Concepciona and I might circle back and get Boston.
59:20Um, just on the off chance that, uh, you know, he's not a sacrificial X that he's actually one of those X
59:26receivers that can just go out and, you know, sort of wreck things for the opposing defense.
59:31Um, so he, he's been a little bit fun for me, but, um, I, I do like Concepciona better for sure.
59:37Um, how about let's get you out of here on this.
59:40Um, do you have any players that your projections say are being undervalued in the late rounds of drafts, or maybe they're not even being drafted at all?
59:48Who, who would you recommend that people be drafting more than, uh, or at a higher ADP than what they're going right now?
59:54Yeah, I got three guys. And I think most people are going to think all three of them are gross, which is probably why they're going so late.
60:02Uh, the first is AD Mitchell who I'm still a fan of, and it's, it's two parts of this one.
60:08I'm a fan of AD Mitchell and two, I'm not a big fan of Omar Cooper.
60:12Uh, the jet, the jets rookie. I think Mitchell, uh, is a good bet to out target Cooper this season.
60:18Mitchell's never had trouble drawing targets. His issue has been getting on the field, but you know, 0.27 targets per route run
60:24as a rookie in 2024, that was 18th best among 128 qualifying wide receivers.
60:28And he was right at a similar mark last year at 0.26 targets per route.
60:32And it was the same with the jets. It was 0.26 targets per route and eight games with the jets.
60:38So he's been a strong target earner. He's still just 23 years old.
60:41He's actually just one year older than the owner Cooper.
60:44Um, so I think AD Mitchell, um, again, in a jets offense that I think could at least be functional this season,
60:50I think he could finish second on that team and targets and be a nice fantasy value.
60:55My next guy is probably even grosser. It's Calvin Ridley who people have just totally forgotten about.
61:00He's like into the wide receiver sixties and ADP had, had, had no chance last year in that Titans offense over the first, you know, what was it?
61:08Five, six games of the season before he went down, but Ridley actually registered the second best yards per route of his career last year at 1.89.
61:15Um, I don't think he's totally dead yet. I think Brian Dables offenses consistently get three wide receivers on the field.
61:21So I still think even if Colonel Tate and Wanda Robinson out target Calvin Ridley, which I think is likely, I think
61:28Ridley could still see enough playing time and volume to, especially in basketball, just like as your wide receiver six, like give
61:34you some, some, uh, starter weeks and be a decent value where he's going.
61:38And then my last guy is Marshawn Lloyd, who I'm not giving up on yet.
61:42I've drafted him the last two years. He's obviously given me, you know, big fat goose eggs both years, but I think
61:48his setup is even better now than it was those last few years for starters.
61:52He's healthy. Um, you know, he he's worked with that biomechanics specialist this off season.
61:56They pretty much found out that it was the 2022 ACL tear and like compensations he'd been making for that injury that had been causing his issues.
62:04And it sounds like they have it figured out.
62:07He had a healthy spring. He impressed beat writers.
62:09He impressed the coaching staff has been a lot of positive buzz on Marshawn Lloyd and the door is wide open for
62:15him to be the number two running back there behind a 28 year old Josh Jacobs, who has only stayed healthy in two of his seven NFL seasons.
62:23So as a super cheap, cheap handcuff on, as we talked about with the Packers up top, it's going to be a good offense.
62:30I think Marshawn Lloyd with my last pick in these drafts is still someone I want to take some shots on.
62:36Yeah, that totally makes sense. And I, I love the call there because one of the things that's, it's kind of fun
62:42as Christian Watson, uh, had the same sort of deal, you know, where he had a compensatory injuries going on.
62:48And that's, that's one of the things that it seems like athletic trainers are really starting to figure out, uh, you know,
62:54with all the new tools at their disposal, they can figure out where a stride or gate is wrong and help correct
63:00that to the point where these compensatory injuries hopefully are not going to come back.
63:04So, so much, you know, because if I didn't think that Christian Watson was doing something different, I wouldn't be drafting him where I am.
63:11Uh, you know, and that gives a lot of hope for Marshawn Lloyd that maybe they can do the same thing with
63:17him and, uh, you know, and that he will work out and, and you're right, you know, as, as much as I'm
63:24in on Josh Jacobs, he is an injury risk and, uh, Marshawn Lloyd is a very, very cheap way to, to benefit from that.
63:30So, and he was a really super, he was an exciting prospect too, right?
63:34I mean, he's a big play maker in college and can also catch the ball.
63:39So I think he, he is a profile that could be exciting in fantasy.
63:42Yeah, exactly. Um, and definitely could be exciting next year if, uh, you know, Josh Jacobs is, is going to be pretty
63:49easy to cut if Green Bay decides to go a different way.
63:52And I think there's a good chance that they will.
63:55So, uh, Marshawn Lloyd might be potentially walking his way into a lot of volume next year.
64:00For sure. All right. Well, thanks for joining me today, Jared.
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