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32BeatWriters - Broncos Training Camp Preview: Nix, Waddle, Sutton, Dobbins, Coleman, Engram and More

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34 min
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Jul 24, 2026
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Fri, July 24, 2026
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Bo NixCourtland SuttonJ.K. DobbinsJaylen WaddleMarvin MimsPat BryantRJ HarveyTroy FranklinAdam TrautmanCaleb LohnerDallen BentleyEvan EngramJaleel McLaughlinJonah Coleman
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Adam Trautman

NegativeUsage26:00

Troutman is the traditional inline wide-blocking tight end who played 500-600 snaps last season but received only 23 targets (20 catches); he's underrated as a receiver—not a burner but a consistent, reliable pass-catching option—but is primarily used as a check-release guy and blocker rather than a primary target; more passing game involvement could be needed, especially with Jay Lamado coming in.

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Bo Nix

NegativeRole4:00

Cody Roark notes that Bo Nix's biggest area for improvement is staying in a clean pocket longer rather than sensing and anticipating pressure and bailing out early. While this mobility-driven approach has worked due to his legs and ability to extend plays, Roark suggests more consistent pocket presence could elevate his game. He also emphasizes that a functional Broncos run game is critical to reducing pressure on Bo to carry the offense.

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PositiveProjection4:00

Bo Nix sacked only 22 times last year, which was the best in the NFL; his on-target throw percentage was around 77 percent with a 15.1 bad throw percentage, and he led the NFL in overall passing attempts. Cody Roark assesses him as a consistently accurate quarterback despite some perception otherwise, noting that 43 drops by Broncos skill players last season affected his numbers. Roark expects Bo to have a sharper, more confident demeanor if the Broncos run game takes off, reducing pressure on his shoulders to do everything.

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Caleb Lohner

NegativeDepth Chart29:00

Lohner is a project tight end who missed OTAs and mini-camp after a lower-body procedure; he faces stiff competition from Dallin Bentley (his Utah counterpart with far more experience and proven sample size) and others for the backup inline tight end job behind Adam Troutman.

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Courtland Sutton

PositiveRole15:00

Cortland Sutton will coexist well with Jalen Waddle in the Broncos passing game. Cody Roark notes that Sutton is one of the better contested jump ball situation guys in the league and will continue to see bracket coverage and safety help on key passing downs. Roark expects Sutton's role to remain strong, with the addition of Waddle forcing defenses to pick their poison between the two receivers. Roark notes that Sutton and Waddle will each carry a $27-28 million salary cap hit next year, indicating their importance to the offense.

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PositiveRole18:30

Sutton is one of the two top receivers who will never leave the field in Denver's offense alongside Jalen Waddle; he's expected to be a primary target with explosive play potential (20+ yard plays), and defenses will have to allocate significant coverage resources to stop him.

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Dallen Bentley

PositiveDepth Chart29:00

Bentley is a seventh-round option who projects as an inline Y tight end and is competing for the backup job behind Adam Troutman; he has far more experience and a more proven sample size than fellow Utah counterpart Caleb Lohner, putting him in contention alongside Lucas Kroll and Nate Adkins for the backup inline role.

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Evan Engram

PositiveRole27:00

Engram played a career-low 42% of snaps last season (lowest non-injury year of his career) despite being brought to Denver partly because of his connection with Davis Webb; early OTA and mandatory mini-camp reports show he's being used more in the passing game than last year at this juncture; he's expected to be the F-type move-around tight end, and Davis Webb's arrival as play-caller could unlock more usage since Engram was a big reason Engram came to Denver.

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J.K. Dobbins

PositiveRole6:00

J.K. Dobbins is the Broncos RB1 and will be the primary ball carrier in the offense. Cody Roark expects Dobbins to receive around 15-18 touches per game in an ideal scenario, with the potential for 1,000 rushing yards. Roark calls him 'the energizer bunny to the Broncos run game' and notes that when Dobbins was healthy last year before his injury in week 10, he was a top-five leading rusher in the NFL with over 700 yards. Roark emphasizes the importance of riding the hot hand with Dobbins rather than alternating series too frequently.

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NegativeUsage7:00

Cody Roark expects J.K. Dobbins' involvement in the passing game to remain similar to last year, when he averaged just over one target per game. Roark views RJ Harvey as the all-around receiving threat out of the backfield in the Kamara mold, while Dobbins is positioned as the primary rushing option. Roark does not anticipate a significant increase in Dobbins' receiving volume this season.

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Jaleel McLaughlin

PositiveBreakout8:00

Cody Roark expresses affinity for Jaleel McLaughlin, noting that he bulked up this offseason and added muscle mass to evolve his game. Despite a 4.8 yard per carry career average on 200+ carries, Roark views McLaughlin as a wild card in the running back room with potential upside. Roark expects the Broncos to carry four running backs on their 53-man roster, though not all four will be active on game day.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveRole15:00

Jalen Waddle is expected to be a game-changer for the Broncos offense, pulling an extra defender out of the box and creating more favorable matchups for other skill players. Cody Roark notes that Waddle can win in open space and will force defenses to choose between focusing on him or Cortland Sutton. Roark expects Waddle to coexist well with Sutton due to their different skill sets, with Waddle's presence opening up opportunities for Sutton, RJ Harvey, and other receivers. Roark indicates Waddle will carry a $27-28 million salary cap hit next year, reflecting his importance to the offense.

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PositiveRole18:30

Waddle is one of the two top receivers who will never leave the field in Denver's offense alongside Courtland Sutton; she's expected to be a primary target with explosive play potential (20+ yard plays), and defenses will have to allocate significant coverage resources to stop her.

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Jonah Coleman

PositiveRole8:00

Jonah Coleman is expected to fill the third-down, goal-line, and two-minute role that Tyler Biddle played last year. Cody Roark views Coleman as a difference-maker in the running back room despite his size, noting that he is deceptively explosive in short bursts and has proven in the pass protection department. Roark expects Coleman to receive around 5-10 total touches (not necessarily carries) per game in an ideal scenario, making him a situational weapon.

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Justin Joly

NegativeRole29:00

Joly is the fifth-round rookie tight end positioned as the backup F-type move-around tight end behind Evan Engram; he has good size, willingness to block, good athleticism, good grip, and reliable hands; he'll likely be a game-day inactive early in the season unless he excels on special teams, but could find playing time if he has a strong preseason and is used effectively alongside Engram.

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Lucas Krull

NegativeDepth Chart29:00

Kroll has been on the Broncos for the last couple of seasons but will have a hard time making the active roster; he's competing with Dallin Bentley and Nate Adkins for the backup inline tight end job behind Adam Troutman.

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Marvin Mims

PositiveRole3:00

Marvin Mims is part of the five-receiver room that Cody Roark expects the Broncos to carry on their 53-man roster. Roark notes that Mims is one of the guys who will benefit from the increased motion in Davis Webb's offense, as the Broncos look to add new wrinkles to their passing attack. Roark views Mims as having a defined role and job within the offense.

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NegativeRole21:30

Mims is entering his last year of his contract with no contract talks started; he's been underutilized since joining Denver (averaging just 15 snaps per game at times), and his role remains a big mystery heading into 2026; he showed clutch ability in the Buffalo playoff game (double move, pass interference draw in OT), but the Broncos have struggled to properly utilize him in terms of touches despite his talent.

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Nate Adkins

NegativeDepth Chart29:00

Adkins is a hybrid tight end who can play inline or F-type position; he's competing with Lucas Kroll and Dallin Bentley for the backup inline tight end job behind Adam Troutman.

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Pat Bryant

NegativeRole15:00

Pat Bryant is part of the five-receiver room that Cody Roark expects the Broncos to carry on their 53-man roster. Roark views Bryant as having a defined role and job within the offense, though specific details about his usage are not provided in this segment.

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PositiveRole20:00

Bryant is liked as a reliable option behind Jalen Waddle in year two of the system; he's a strong route runner with excellent hands (three drops last season), good size, and blocks well despite 40-yard dash concerns; he creates separation through route-running and man/zone recognition rather than pure speed.

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RJ Harvey

PositiveRole7:00

RJ Harvey is viewed as the all-around receiving threat out of the backfield in the Alvin Kamara mold, with the expectation that he can become a 1,000-yard all-purpose back when combining rushing and receiving. Cody Roark expects Harvey to receive around 10-12 touches per game in an ideal scenario. Roark notes that Harvey took a massive step last year despite his 3.2-3.4 yards per carry, as he was dynamic in the passing game and made clutch plays as a rookie. Roark emphasizes that Harvey's role is secure and he will not be the odd man out with Coleman's arrival.

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Cody Roark explains that defenses key on RJ Harvey by playing wider with their ends and outside guys to prevent him from getting to the outside due to his speed and explosiveness. When J.K. Dobbins went down last year, Harvey struggled in the run game because defenses loaded the box, knowing they could focus on stopping the pass. Roark expects that Jalen Waddle's arrival will help open up Harvey in the passing game by pulling an extra defender out of the box, creating more one-on-one opportunities for Harvey against slower linebackers.

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Troy Franklin

PositiveUsage15:00

Troy Franklin saw an increase in overall targets last year because defenses were taking away Cortland Sutton on key passing downs. Cody Roark expects Franklin to continue to have a role in the Broncos passing game, though the addition of Jalen Waddle may shift target distribution. Roark views Franklin as one of five quality receivers the Broncos will carry on their 53-man roster.

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PositiveRole20:00

Franklin is a deep-field speed threat in year three of the system with expectations jumping up; he's taller than Jalen Waddle but has similar or close speed, bigger than Marvin Mims with very similar speed; he had four drops last year (improvement from rookie season) and is positioned as a wild card alongside Pat Bryant to create matchup problems when defenses focus on Sutton and Waddle.

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Episode Transcript

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1:07Hello, everyone, and welcome in. Today we are talking Broncos with Cody Roark of Mile High Sports and the host of Locked on Broncos.
1:14Cody, how are we doing today? Good, my friend.
1:16You know, rookies report for training camp tomorrow and then the veterans report on the 28th.
1:21And the one thing I just can't contain my excitement for is that we're one step closer to football right here in Denver.
1:27The weather is really nice right now. And, you know, if you're out in the Denver area, like the one thing I'm
1:33looking forward to is being back at practice to smell the fresh cut grass.
1:37Sounds of the whistles going, pads popping. Like that's what gets me excited about this upcoming season.
1:42So happy to chat with you here today. Love it.
1:45Yeah, we're going to dive into all things skill player and offense today.
1:48And just starting with probably the biggest change, right?
1:51The paint brings in Davis Webb, you know, more importantly, hands of play calling duties, which I thought was really interesting.
1:56You know, what do you expect now that Davis Webb's calling the call calling the shots for now?
2:01But what do you expect to change from an offensive scheme from last year now that this is happening this year?
2:07I think the fundamentals of the scheme are going to remain intact.
2:11You know, there's a lot of, you know, we say Sean Payton's offense, but Sean Payton says, you know, he says, I read all the time.
2:18You know, people are saying, oh, Sean's offense, Davis Webb's offense.
2:21He goes, it's the Broncos offense. So that's Sean's PR way of saying, you know, I think conceptually a lot of things
2:27that Sean has has done throughout his entire coaching career are going to remain intact.
2:31But I think with Davis Webb, you might see some more of a modernized touch on certain things.
2:36Now, the Broncos last year, I'll say this, and even going back to Sean's first year, there was not a lot of motion from skilled players, right?
2:44And look, motion has a purpose. And I think a lot of people look into Dayton and say, oh, you know, who
2:50are the teams that motion the most? What do they do?
2:53Motion often at times is designed to set some things up.
2:56Now, I think if we look at the Miami Dolphins offense when Mike McDaniel was there and when he was really good,
3:02we saw so much motion within that offensive unit just because of the skilled players that they had.
3:07But more importantly, it changed the way the defense had to play.
3:10Like you had to cheat, like if you were lined up in a certain look, you get motion, you have to shift over.
3:17Your coverage responsibilities may change. And then Mike McDaniel would hit you with the counter that.
3:21If we get an aggressive flow to the side of the motion, we're going to go backside, you know?
3:26So the Broncos offense adding motion, it's not going to be this game changing thing, but I think it can add some
3:32new wrinkles to the offense that they probably haven't had in the last handful of years.
3:37And what better way to do it than guys like Marvin Mims, Jaylen Waddle, the new exciting offseason addition.
3:42So I think for me, that's one thing that we'll notice from Davis Webb that I saw during OTAs and mandatory minicamp.
3:48A lot more motion used so far, and we'll see if that trend continues once training camp begins and we get into
3:54the preseason and into the regular season. Well, sure.
3:57And you kind of alluded to it, right? Like this wide receiver room is super interesting, and we're going to dive into
4:03that and, you know, all that comes with that.
4:05You know, the Broncos as a whole are ultra interesting.
4:08Kind of new backfield dynamic, new or tons of wide receiver talent, I'd like to say.
4:13But let's kind of talk about where it all starts, right, with Bo Nix.
4:16So, you know, two solid seasons already in the league.
4:19You know, what do you think Bo has to do to take that next step?
4:23You know, he's been fundamentally sound. He's put it together again year over year.
4:27But what does he need to continue to grow as a passer?
4:31And then, you know, what do you really want to see from him this year that shows that he's elevated to that next step?
4:37Matt, you know, I think there's evident areas of everyone's game that can improve, I think, for Bo the most.
4:43But this is also something that plays into what is one of the bigger strengths of him, like his pocket mobility, his
4:49ability to extend plays with his legs. He's got eyes in the back of his head.
4:53That's why, you know, I think he's one of the least sack quarterbacks in the NFL in the last two seasons.
4:59Sacked only 22 times last year, which was the best in the NFL.
5:03I think at times there are the critique or the gripe would be like, hey, can Bo just stay in a clean pocket a little bit longer?
5:10Right. There's some time there's some times where there is a clean pocket, but he's sensing and maybe anticipating pressure.
5:16And then he kind of bails out of a clean pocket.
5:19But that's not like a consistent thing for him.
5:21It's it's time to time. And it ends up working out in terms of positive plays for him because of his mobility and his legs.
5:28I mean, we saw it against the Houston Texans.
5:31The game tied late in the fourth quarter. Third down, I believe it's kind of one of those design rollouts.
5:36But the defense over pursues and they caught wind of that on several plays during that game.
5:41He uses legs 25 yards to help set up the Will Lutz game winning, you know, kick there at the end.
5:47So for me, it's staying in the pocket a little bit more.
5:50You know, a lot of people are saying, you know, Bo is not very accurate.
5:54I disagree. I think Bo is a consistently accurate quarterback.
5:57I think some of the things we do see at times is and specifically last year, there were some times where he
6:03overthrew a couple of guys right in terms of his arm.
6:06But his on throw target percentage last season was around 77 percent.
6:10According to pro football reference, he had a 15.1 bad throw percentage last season.
6:13And he led the NFL in overall passing attempts.
6:16So and there are 43 drops by Broncos skill players last season.
6:19So I think Bo is in a really good spot.
6:22And I feel like the biggest thing that's going to factor into Bo Nix having a run game around him.
6:28Since he's coming to the NFL, the Broncos run game has been inconsistent.
6:31It's been up and down. It hasn't been there.
6:34You know, even though the J.K. Dobbins last year, you know, going into week 10, I think he was a fifth leading
6:40rusher in the NFL at 700 something yards. When he went down with the injury, the Broncos run game kind of just really disappeared down the stretch.
6:47But they haven't really had that in terms of an overall run game since Bo's been there.
6:52There's been times where Bo on a consistent basis is your leading rusher.
6:56That's not necessarily what you want all the time.
6:58So if the Broncos run game takes off, Bo Nix is going to have less pressure on his shoulders to go and have to do everything.
7:05And I think we'll see a sharper. I say even a more confident both that does take place.
7:10I mean, I think everyone would love a more confident Bo, right?
7:14Just gets that ball pushing down the field. But you did allude to it, right?
7:18It starts in the backfield. And you brought up Dobbins.
7:21So I think we just start with him. You know, he is the RB1.
7:24Correct me if I'm wrong here. You know, how do you feel about Dobbins being utilized in this offense this year?
7:30Again, assuming he's healthy for the full year. Do we expect the same thing?
7:34And then one thing I did notice, you know, just looking through the stats is, you know, is do you think there's
7:40any way that Dobbins ends up more involved in the passing game this year?
7:44You know, in previous stops, he's been involved. Seemed like he was only, you know, target.
7:49I think it was a little bit over one target per game average last year in Denver.
7:53Do you expect anything like that to change at all this year?
7:57No, I expect that to probably stay the same.
7:59Look, I think there are going to be times where they do go to him and they target him.
8:04It just, I think it really depends. But I mean, for them, they view RJ Harvey as that all around Alvin Kamara,
8:10you know, run the ball to be a receiving threat out of the backfield.
8:14I don't think the expectation for a guy like RJ is to hit a thousand yards rushing.
8:19I think the idea is that RJ can be a thousand yard all purpose back, right?
8:24When you combine rushing and receiving. JK is more of the guy you think can probably get as the thousand yard rusher.
8:30But there's another wrinkle that's getting added to that.
8:32Obviously, we talk about the health of JK. JK is going to be your primary ball carry.
8:37And part of the issue of the Broncos run game last year when JK was healthy is that there were times where
8:43he was the hot hand and then they would take him out.
8:46And then they would try something else. I'm a big believer in ride the hot hand until the defense stops it.
8:52Or alternate series versus, hey, you know, JK gets one series.
8:55He's doing really well. And then now he gets pulled off.
8:58Next series, RJ comes in. Like the Broncos, when they did that, when it was a series to series versus every other
9:04play, taking a guy off, putting another guy back in.
9:07There was a little bit of a better volume in the run game.
9:11I think there are some great examples of Dallas Cowboys game last year.
9:14Monday night football against the Cincinnati Bagels. Granted, both of those defenses that I just mentioned, some of the bottom tier in the NFL.
9:21But rhythm is super important in this. And now the other wrinkle, Jonah Coleman.
9:25How does he factor into the equation here? Where I think we saw Tyler Bidde play a lot of that third down two-minute role last year.
9:32That's where Jonah's going to come in. I think third down, you need a goal line back.
9:37You need something in the two-minute. Jonah's going to be there because he's proven in the pass protection department.
9:42And I'd say despite his size, he's deceptively explosive in between in short bursts.
9:46He's going to be a little bit of a difference maker, I feel, in this running back room.
9:51But it's all going to start with JK. JK is going to be the energizer bunny to the Broncos run game.
9:57So interesting points there, right? We talked about Coleman just now.
10:00Obviously, you know, JK Dobbins. We talked about RJ Harvey.
10:03You know, I still have a weird love for Jaleel McLaughlin.
10:06Me too. Maybe I'm on, you know, a level I shouldn't be with him.
10:09But looking at this as a whole, right, these four running backs, even if we call it three running backs, like what do you expect?
10:16What are their roles each year? And how do you even get these guys' touches?
10:21Like what's a perfect world in this backfield? Yeah, that's a $6 million question, right?
10:25Sure. And I'm with you. I'm with you on Jaleel McLaughlin.
10:28Jaleel bulked up this offseason. He added muscle mass so he could evolve a little bit more in his game.
10:33But, I mean, for a guy who's got a 4.8 yard per carry career average on 200 plus carries throughout his career,
10:39there's something to be said about him being a little bit of a wild card here.
10:44But to your point here, let's say the Broncos, I think they'll carry four on their 53.
10:49But, you know, you're not going to have probably four guys active on your game day roster.
10:53Sure. But if, let's say it is J.K., R.J., and Jonah as your three guys, I mean, if we're talking about maybe
10:59splitting the carries, what that's going to look like, I think that the Broncos will have a little bit more balance in
11:05the run-pass department with Davis Webb, whereas if the run game wasn't working for Sean, he would kind of go away from it, and it was just pass-heavy.
11:13I mean, there were times, there was like a five- or six-game stretch.
11:17We're sitting there. Quarterbacks got 16 passing attempts in the first half.
11:20They've only ran the ball four times. It was like, that's problematic.
11:23I don't think it's going to be like that with Davis Webb, knock on wood.
11:28Hopefully that's the case. But let's say, ideally, you have these three backs.
11:31I think very much you go, maybe for J.K., it's 15 overall touches in a game, right?
11:36R.J., maybe 10, and then Jonah, five, I think, at that point.
11:39But, I mean, I would kind of like to see it to where, okay, 17, 18 for J.K.
11:44Maybe you get to 11 to 12 for R.J., and then you have maybe 10 total touches, not necessarily carries, but 10
11:50touches for a guy like Jonah in a perfect world.
11:53And I understand the flow of the game. It's never going to be like that.
11:57But I think the Broncos can make it work if they develop a strategy that works for them in terms of the rotation situation.
12:04And even going back to what I said, riding the hot hand when it matters, that's going to be the approach to
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12:59Makes perfect sense. I think what was really interesting to me and just, you know, scurrying off-season reports, and I can't remember
13:05for the life of me who actually initially said this, but it was something about, you know, RJ potentially being the odd man out.
13:12After Coleman coming in. And it doesn't sound like that's viable at all.
13:15But it was just, it was such an interesting take.
13:18I was like, I just don't get how the coaching staff stays the same, obviously, or at least John Payton there, and you just cast a guy away.
13:26So it's nice to hear that you expect him to have that kind of role, and we don't have to worry about that.
13:32Yeah. Look, the offseason, it drives me nuts with some of the stuff that gets created out of thin air.
13:38Like, you know, I could say this. I think if we look at RJ Harvey's game, defenses, they knew when RJ was
13:44in, the number one thing that they wanted to do was prevent him from getting to the outside because of his speed and explosiveness.
13:50So, you know, defenses, the ends or the outside guys, they'd play a little bit wider, right?
13:55And they wouldn't necessarily crash too much inside because their idea was preserving.
13:59The Broncos also tried implementing the outside zone scheme last offseason, and talking to players, it was tough.
14:04It was very hard because they just added that wrinkle into the mix.
14:07I mean, they're primarily a zone-blocking scheme there, but I think they want to get back to just becoming a bully ball.
14:13You know, you got Quinn Myers. You got Garrett Bowles.
14:16Find a way to just physically impose your will against different defenses.
14:20And, of course, you have to figure out how to counter some of the best pass rushes that you're going to be facing this year, including week three.
14:27Miles Garrett and the Rams. We'll see if Aaron Donald is back with that team at some point this offseason.
14:33But for Denver specifically, it was, hey, when RJ was in, like, they have roles.
14:37They have archetypes. Like, JK, your primary ball carrier.
14:40RJ, he can run the football, but he's going to be primarily your weapon out of the backfield.
14:45And 12 total touchdowns for him last season kind of paints that picture.
14:48When JK went down, RJ really struggled in the run game.
14:51And it's because defenses, they're loaded in the box because they're like, hey, you know, he's a young guy.
14:56We're going to protect the outside from ever, you know, him blowing that up.
15:00But we're going to make everything difficult. We want the Broncos to beat us through the air in the passing.
15:06Luckily, Bo Nix was a dog last season there.
15:08But that has to change a little bit. And I think if the Broncos, and this is where Jalen Waddell comes into
15:14the whole entire equation, a player like Jalen is going to pull an extra defender out of the box maybe for JK, for RJ.
15:21Well, now if defenses focus their attention on him, okay.
15:24Well, maybe in a passing down situation, now RJ is open up a little bit more in some one-on-ones against some slower linebackers.
15:30And you can use him in that regard. I mean, RJ was – he took a massive step last year, even if
15:36his run game numbers didn't necessarily suggest that. Well, I think it was 3.2 or 3.4 yards per carry for him.
15:42It was a struggle. But, man, he was a weapon in the passing game.
15:46He's dynamic. He makes clutch plays when you need to.
15:49And he was a rookie. And he had to absorb a lot more on his plate after JK went down.
15:54That's an absolutely fair point. You know, I feel like – and I don't know what it is, but players that play
16:00with Sean Payton, you always feel like they've been in the league for 10 years for some reason.
16:05So, it's interesting you say that. And, you know, you did allude to Jalen Waddell.
16:10And I think we just dive into this passing game because it is ultra interesting.
16:14And to the point where when I was putting this together, I was like, we had to break this into multiple questions.
16:20Just too many guys in this room that have potential roles.
16:23And it got really interesting. So, obviously, they bring in Waddell.
16:26You know, you still have Quotland Sutton there who has done pretty strong – or had some pretty strong seasons with Bo Nix.
16:32You know, I'm curious your take on how you expect them to coexist.
16:36You know, does Sutton's role change at all? And then, you know, do we expect Waddell to just take that lead in
16:42targets or do you still expect it to, you know, end up being Quotland at the end of the day?
16:48Yeah, it's a great question. No, it's a great question here because that's what people have been trying to figure out.
16:53You know, like I think everyone gets so caught up in the titles, right?
16:57Wide receiver one, wide receiver two. Sean Payton doesn't believe in any of that stuff.
17:01He doesn't like it. But his receivers inside of this offense, his demand is that they're not just – this guy's not just an X.
17:08He's got to play slot. He's got to be able to play on the other outside position.
17:13They want to move guys around because they really want to be able to dictate certain matchups.
17:18Like when they're game planning, we want to get Quotland against this guy.
17:21How do we do it? We want to get, you know, now Jalen against this guy.
17:26How do we do it? They're going to do that.
17:29Now here's what Jalen – like in key passing down situations last year, third down, Cortland Sutton, he's seeing bracket coverage.
17:34He's seeing a corner who's usually playing. They'll kind of show that cover two look where the corner will be outside leverage of him.
17:41He'll be playing press or he'll just kind of be sinking underneath.
17:44And then you have a safety over the top.
17:47That way, you know, corner can play underneath. Safety can climb over the top.
17:51And at times, they're also maybe even spying a linebacker backside because they love to run Quotland on dagger concepts, in breaking routes.
17:57And so they like to cheat that extra guy over.
18:00And so that's where Troy Franklin saw an increase in overall targets because teams are taking away Quotland there.
18:05And then teams start to focus on Troy a little bit.
18:08So now Jalen comes in. And now it's going to force defenses.
18:12Who do you want to focus your attention on?
18:14Well, you focus it on Quotland. Okay, now you've got Jalen who can win in the open space.
18:19You want to focus on Jalen. Well, now Quotland might get more one-on-ones where we know, hey, he's one of the better
18:25contested jump ball situation guys in the league. So it is kind of a pick your poison.
18:30And then you factor in guys like Troy. You factor in Pat Bryant, Marvin Mims.
18:34I call this room five guys because I think Denver's going to carry five on the 53.
18:39Expensive but high quality guys there, especially with you look at the price tag for Quotland and Jalen next year for Denver.
18:45It's going to be $27, $28 million apiece for those guys next year that'll have to get restructured.
18:50And then you've got your other guys that just, you know, they have their roles and their jobs.
18:55So I do think it's going to open up a lot more opportunities.
18:58These guys are going to coexist well together because of their skill sets.
19:02And obviously for both of those guys being in that category alongside what was it, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Puk and Akua
19:08last year of having explosive plays of 20-plus yards downfield.
19:11I'm excited to see what this looks like here because defenses, you can't, I mean, you can disguise as much as you want.
19:17Only at the end of the day, you have to figure out who strikes the most fear in you and how do
19:23you allocate your coverage resources to stop in that primarily.
19:26And that's where these other guys are going to have to step up to.
19:30Well, and you've seen it too. Like let's look at last year in Dallas with Pickens and Lamb.
19:35You know what I mean? That just, if you're a defense, what do you do?
19:39So it's going to be interesting to see that aspect of it, but you brought up a very good point in that
19:45you also have Bryant and Franklin behind them, which in Dallas, they didn't have that kind of skill behind Pickens and Lamb.
19:51So I'm really interested to get your take on these two guys.
19:55You know, what you expect this year, you know, Franklin kind of moved in that wide receiver two slash three role.
20:01I again, putting numbers on things, you know, but what do you expect out of these two guys this year?
20:06Is it just, is it going to just be a crowded mess in Denver or are these guys have specific roles that
20:12you think they're going to play into? I'm just curious.
20:15Yeah, I think they're going to have specific roles.
20:18I think the top two guys that are really going to never leave the field, I think it's going to be Cortland and Jalen, right?
20:24So it's, I think between, between Pat Bryant, between Troy Franklin and Marvin Mims, then you're going to see just a rotation of guys.
20:31And it may be more matchup specific based on who they're going against, what they like.
20:36But I'm, I'm really like Pat Bryant as that option kind of behind Jalen Waddle, Troy Franklin, kind of this move around piece.
20:42Like they're not necessarily fitting them all. Like you're not, you're not trying to have Pat Bryant be who Jalen Waddle is.
20:48It's saying, Hey, what does Pat Bryant do really well?
20:51Well, number one, he blocks his tail off. Number two, he's got really good size.
20:55A lot of people were critiquing the Broncos for taking him because of his 40 yard dash time.
21:00And what he's proven on tape is that 40 yard dash time really doesn't matter because this is a guy who knows
21:06how to find, create separation by being a really good route runner, by recognizing man versus zone and knowing where he needs to be.
21:13And he's got really good hands. So there's that.
21:15And then Troy, Troy's got the, the speed threat, the deep fields, the deep field speed threat that, you know, you can't
21:21have to worry about, but he's a little bit taller.
21:24He's taller than Jalen Waddle, but might be just as fast or close to being as fast as Jalen.
21:29And he's bigger than Marvin Mims, but has very similar speed to Marvin.
21:33So these two guys are the wild cards here.
21:35I do think, and obviously with Marvin entering his last year, I don't know what his role is going to be because
21:42the Broncos, since Marvin is coming to the league, they haven't found a way to properly utilize him in terms of touches.
21:48He'll have what there's a time where he was just averaging what 15 snaps per game.
21:52It's like, that's not enough. You got to get a more.
21:55So that's the big mystery right now. So right now it kind of factors into Pat Bryant, Troy Franklin, these two guys,
22:01I think, especially if defense is really focused just on Cortland and Jalen, there's going to be a lot of pressure on those guys to make plays.
22:09And so far they've proven that they can. I just think you want to look for a little bit more consistency in terms of drops from those guys.
22:16Pat though, very reliable handed. I think three drops for him last season, Troy four drops last year, which was a drop
22:23off from what he had in his rookie season.
22:25So there's a lot of excitement about this room in particular, and they're continuing to grow.
22:29They've, you know, Pat Bryant's going into year two in the system.
22:33Troy Franklin's going into year three and the expectations jump up a little bit more for them.
22:38I mean, super interesting, right? Just the depth of this.
22:40And, you know, we, we started talking about Mims.
22:43So I popped them up here. I think we'd be awesome to just finish the thoughts on what, if Marvin Mims is
22:49playing a role in this offense, what do you feel is the best utilization of him specifically in the offense?
22:54I know in the return game and all that, you know, but if he's, if he's on the field as a wide receiver, is it a gadget specific?
23:02Is it what's, what's Mims best outcome in 2026, I guess?
23:05Well, it just seems like right now they've kind of used him as a gadget guy.
23:10I think he could be more. And the reason I say that is let's go back to the Buffalo bills playoff game.
23:16The Broncos, they lose Pat Bryant after the first drive.
23:19He has three catches to open up that opening drive.
23:21They lose him to concussion protocol. And even he even said, like, I didn't have a concussion that game, but because he
23:27had one previously several weeks before it was out of his hands, especially independent people, which I think that's so important for
23:34teams to have, especially in today's NFL. So Pat was kind of taken out of that game.
23:38Troy Franklin on Frank Crum, the offensive lineman on his touchdown play.
23:42Frank, uh, Troy pulls his hamstring and he's out of the game.
23:45So the Broncos, they lose two of their key guys.
23:48And now for the rest of the game, it's Cortland Sutton, Marvin Mims, little Jordan Humphrey as your top, as your only receivers.
23:54And we saw Marvin, Marvin's clutch. He ran a nice double move to obviously set up the, uh, you know, the touchdown
24:00that gave the Broncos the lead there, um, at, you know, toward the end.
24:04And then he drew obviously the pass interference call and over time to set up will let's game winner Marvin showcase.
24:10I think in that moment, you can do a lot of things with him.
24:14If you use him, you don't want to run into all of them.
24:17Just because injuries, here's where we put Marvin in.
24:20I think that there is maybe some belief in that.
24:23And this is where we don't know yet, right?
24:25It's the mystery with Davis Webb. Maybe that changes.
24:28Maybe Marvin has a little bit more of a role in comparison to Pat Bryant and to Troy Franklin.
24:33It's hard to imagine that right now based on what we've seen, but maybe that is going to be the case.
24:39So for me, Marvin is more than just a gadget player, but I think, you know, if that's what you're going to
24:45use him as in a Superbowl window. And if there's a belief that you're not going to bring him back, which right
24:51now, no contract talks have started for him. And he's entering the last year of his deal.
24:56It makes things very interesting. Maybe they're going to use whatever they can out of him this year.
25:01And then because maybe they feel like they're going to price themselves out, but then they're going to be losing an all pro returner as well.
25:08So Marvin Mims is arguably the biggest mystery right now with how the Broncos will use him here in 2026.
25:13I mean, that just ties into everything. Sean Payton, right?
25:16I feel like he is the man, the coach of mystery, whether it's coach speak or whatever.
25:21You just got to read between the lines a lot with the guy.
25:24All right, let's go to the tight end room because I think this is ultra interesting, right?
25:29Evan Ingram comes back. He was coming in last year.
25:32I think I've heard more than any person needs to that, you know, the Joker role of Evan Ingram.
25:37I'm sure you're probably sick of it too. You know, what, how do we get Evan Ingram going in this offense?
25:43You know, you still have Trump in there. You got Lucas Kroll still hanging around.
25:47You had a loner who was getting hype early this off season.
25:51And then you go out and get jolly in the fifth round.
25:54I know that's a ton of names to talk about, but I feel like we got to talk about each one and
26:00kind of where you see them standing on this team.
26:03Yeah. I mean, I think it's going to go to role archetypes, right?
26:06Like Adam Troutman is going to be your traditional inline wide blocking tight end.
26:10I think they need to use Troutman more on the passing game.
26:14If he's going to have the most snaps, I think what?
26:17600 snaps. I think offensively 500, 600 snaps for him last season and only 23 targets.
26:21That's not enough. 20 catches on 23 targets is pretty good.
26:24But I think Adam Troutman is very underrated as a receiver.
26:27He's not going to be a burner. He's not going to, you know, you know, blow past the defense, but he can
26:33be a consistent, reliable pass catching option for you.
26:36If you feature him right now, if you go back and you watch the tape, he's more of this guy.
26:41He's in, he's blocking, blocking. He's a check release guy.
26:44He's never the primary target. And I think at times that has to change, especially with Jay Lamado coming in.
26:50It might open up more opportunities for the tight end.
26:52But to your point about Evan Ingram here, Evan played a career low in snaps last year.
26:57I believe it was 42%. The lowest of his career on any year where he was not dealing with an injury.
27:03And it's crazy because at one point he had the volume in Jacksonville where I believe he had, what was it?
27:09He was knocking on the door of the most catches by a tight end.
27:13It was insane. Yeah. He was getting fed. And part of me is looking at it.
27:17It's like, okay, so what, what happened in Denver?
27:20I mean, I was puzzled. I think Evan himself was puzzled though.
27:23I'll say this. Evan's a consummate pro. We were in the locker room after games.
27:27We're in a locker room throughout the week. Evan never pouted or made it seem like he was mad.
27:32Even if he was mad, even if he had every right to be mad for how he was being used, but he was not brought.
27:39He was not used in the way that the Broncos pitched him necessarily.
27:43Now here's where Davis web comes in as the wild card right now, as Davis is the play color, their former teammates.
27:49A big reason Evan came to Denver was because of Davis and he's been on the record of saying that.
27:54So I imagine, and what we've seen early on in OTAs and mandatory mini camp is that Evan was being used quite
28:01a bit in the passing game in terms of targets.
28:03It's a lot more than we saw in the off season at this juncture last year.
28:08So the hope was that, Hey, Evan Ingram is going to be used more.
28:12He's that F type move around tight end. But I think the thing is the Broncos got too comfortable in saying, okay,
28:18Hey, when our personnel is on the field, defense is no, we're doing what Adam Trotman's on the field.
28:23I mean, we know primarily it's going to be, you know, a run or he's just going to be a blocker.
28:29We don't have to worry about him in the passing game as much when Evan's in the game.
28:34Everyone's like, Hey, they're going to throw the ball because Evan Ingram is in the game.
28:38So it was almost kind of keying it got to be able to run the ball on Evans in there.
28:44You know, and Evan's got a willingness. Like that's the thing.
28:47He may not be the best blocker, but he's got a willingness to block.
28:51It's just about getting the right angles. So I think he's going to be used more.
28:55And then you mentioned Justin Jolie is going to be behind Evan Ingram as that F type move around tight end.
29:01You know, you go and you get Dallin Bentley as a seventh round option there.
29:05He projects to be an inline Y guy. Nate Adkins is kind of the hybrid can play inline can play that F type position.
29:12And then you have Lucas Kroll, as you mentioned, who's been on this team for, you know, the last couple of seasons, Sean Payton has come over.
29:19It's going to be hard for him to make the active roster.
29:23And then you've got Caleb Lohner, the project who, you know, he missed OTAs and mini camp after having a, you know,
29:29lower body procedure should be good to go here for the start of training camp here in the next week or so.
29:35But the challenge with Lohner is that Dallin Bentley, his Utah counterpart, it's got far more experience, far more.
29:40You know, I'd say we, there's more of a proven sample size with him.
29:44So there's going to be competition for who gets that backup job right behind Adam Troutman as an inline guy.
29:50And that's going to be between, I think, Lucas Kroll, Dallin Bentley, and I'd obviously go to the lengths of saying Nate Adkins as well for that.
29:57This is a very interesting room. And it has, this position room right here, it cannot be the weakest link going into 2026.
30:03I mean, do you, I just have to talk about it because he's the rookie, obviously, Joel, like, do you see him getting involved at all this season?
30:11Or is this a Sean Payton and letting him develop, just kind of got to sit on this guy?
30:16Like it doesn't, it sounds like he might not even get enough opportunity given the size of this room to showcase what
30:23he could do, even if he was able. Yeah, that's, that's a great question, right?
30:27Because if Evan's going to be the premier F type guy, okay, how do you see a role for a guy like Justin Joel?
30:33I think Denver can get creative. Honestly, I think when they, there's times where they came out and, you know, two, two back, three back pistol, right?
30:41And they had maybe the one tight end up as one of those blockers right next to Bo Nix running back and then another running back behind them.
30:49I think you could get creative because you could have, let's say Bo Nix, you're in the pistol.
30:54You've got any of the running backs we've talked about behind Bo.
30:57And let's say you got Evan Ingram on one side, Justin Jolie on the other.
31:01Well, you know, Evan could be a legit past catching threat out.
31:04You can use him to isolate maybe a matchup against an off ball linebacker.
31:08Justin Jolie, he's got this, this willingness and this good size to him to be a blocker, probably a better blocker than
31:14Ingram will be at this point, but has good athleticism, good grip, good hands, reliability in that department.
31:19Denver could get creative with these guys, but I do think that we're probably going to see a stretch of games throughout
31:25this upcoming season where Jolie will probably be a game day inactive unless he really stands out on special teams.
31:31But if he has a strong preseason and he's being used in a way and he's making plays, he's going to find
31:37a way to play alongside Evan early on. But we have to see that translate here in the preseason.
31:42This, this is a, like I said, I'm excited about the rookie.
31:46I'm excited about Dallin Bentley as well. Yeah, it sounds like I'm glad you brought up that name.
31:51I think it's awesome that, you know, it's another name for people to keep on their radar and just see how this
31:57room evolves through training camp and into preseason. So definitely appreciate that information.
32:00Cody, let's wrap it up with just everyone. You talking about what you're working on, where you work, how you work, all the good stuff.
32:07We want people to find you, follow you, listen to your stuff, take it away.
32:11Now we got a lot going on. Obviously been hosting Lockdown Broncos daily for the last nine years.
32:16Daily, all year long, 30 minute or less podcast to keep you up to date with what's going on with the Denver
32:23Broncos as someone who is a boots on the ground reporter there.
32:26We're launching a new thing here soon called Lockdown Broncos hits where it's shorter form podcasts delivered to fans as well.
32:32So if they don't have time, they can get it in the short consume size there.
32:36Also mile high sports daily written stuff as a reporter there for them.
32:40There's so much radio hits, television, you name it.
32:42I'll be there, but also on social media at Cody work NFL on Twitter, blue sky, looking forward to interact with anybody that has any questions.
32:49Love it. Last final question. When's the first training camp open to you all?
32:53So I believe so veterans report on the 28th.
32:56I believe it's either that day or it's the 29th is when we'll have access to practice rookies report on, I think the 22nd of July.
33:03We won't get access to that as they kind of go through the whole process of getting that going.
33:08But yeah, it's here and it's a new team facility, brand new team facility.
33:12So we're excited to get our first look at that as well.
33:16No, that's awesome. Well, thank you very much, Cody.
33:18I'm Matt Olson. That's Cody Roark. Thank you all for joining us today.
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