0:00Future's now open! Glad to have you man, you look good, you sound good.
0:05Tonight we're gonna talk about some Dynasty Bestball. You know it's the summertime, Bestball is all the rave right now, but Dynasty
0:13Bestball doesn't get a whole lot of love. So, Jose and I had the idea to turn July into Best Ballin'!
0:21We're gonna talk about Dynasty Bestball all of July to give it the attention it deserves because it is truly a great format.
0:29And John, just from chopping it up with you in Discord, I can tell man, you got a sharp mind for the Dynasty Bestball.
0:38So tell us a little bit about yourself man, who you are, how long you been playing Dynasty, how long you been
0:45doing Bestball Dynasty, give us a little taste of this.
0:49Yeah man, thanks. So I got my start on fantasy football like 15 something years ago, maybe a little bit more, 20 years ago.
0:58Probably way too long, but we don't need to talk about that.
1:02Been doing Dynasty for more like 6 years. Got a good mix of leagues.
1:07I basically split half and half between lineup and best ball.
1:11I like to get a good variety. None of my leagues have the same scoring format, roster, any of that stuff.
1:19So, like keeping it fresh. And yeah, started getting into data because I had questions and I wanted to figure out the answers.
1:27And so I started digging around. Got a nice little database.
1:31All the NFL players past decade or so started digging into it.
1:35That's awesome, man. Yeah, I appreciate all the data you've been putting down.
1:40We met in the OTC Discord and you were dropping all the sweet, sweet graphs that I love to see and the
1:48charts and so many cool things over there. Where can people find those, by the way?
1:54Yeah, I tend to drop them there. I'm also in the Superflex Super Show Discord, a couple others.
2:00And you can find me on Blue Sky. Just my name, John Leonard, Blue Sky.social, I think it is.
2:07Whatever Blue Sky does. Yeah, dropping data, charts, tables, all kinds of stuff.
2:12Hopefully it's actionable, right? That's the idea. Very actionable.
2:15Yeah, no, it's a lot of good data. And sometimes too much data can be a bad thing.
2:21But even if it doesn't come to be useful, like you said, you have a question, you set out to find an answer.
2:30And maybe that answer isn't clear, but you have a better understanding of it at the very least when you get to the end of it.
2:39So I tend to think too much data is never a bad thing.
2:44Sometimes there's a little bit too much noise in it all, but I like what you've been putting out there and it's been really great stuff.
2:53So I'll drop a link to your Blue Sky in the description here for the pod and for the video so people can get into that.
3:03But I'm glad to have you on, John. Let's talk about some Dynasty Best Ball.
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4:01And that's been a lot of fun. We just had our boy, Keegan, come on.
4:06So he was the creator of the OTC. So you can go see his is the latest one to drop and he has some some good content there.
4:16So other than that, one other thing I wanted to shout out with the hype of the Dynasty Best Ball in July.
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5:00She's always killing it. Nailed that last thumbnail with Bucky Irving and the landmine.
5:05So good. Follow her on X at bfoxworth07. Other than that, John, before we get into the Dynasty Best Ball fundamentals here,
5:13we're going to take a little bit of a quick hit, man.
5:17You ready? Let's do it. Let's do it. All right.
5:21For tonight's quick hit, let's talk a little bit about Brandon Ayuk.
5:25He's been in the news quite a bit lately.
5:28I'm curious to know what you think of everything going down.
5:32I have a little bit going on in my head of what I think is happening.
5:38I'm just going to lead us off here. As a 49er fan, I know how they tend to handle things.
5:45And I feel like I have a pretty good sense of what Brandon Ayuk is doing.
5:51And I have a theory of what's going on here.
5:54I think Brandon Ayuk is being a little crazy, a little out there on the socials.
6:00I think he doesn't want to be traded. I think he wants to be released so that he can go sign with the commanders.
6:09Rather than drag his name through the mud and do some stuff that is illegal and frowned upon or whatever, he's just doing socially abnormal things.
6:18So that everyone's out here just kind of ragging on him being like, what's wrong with Ayuk?
6:24I don't think anything is going on with him.
6:28He knows the Niners aren't going to trade him or they want to trade him and they're not going to release him.
6:36They can't keep him. If they keep him past the September 1st date, they owe him $23 million in option bonuses.
6:43So he has to be off that roster by then unless they want to pay him that or they want to trade him.
6:51And if they trade him, whoever trades for him has to carry that roster option bonus through.
6:58So not only do you have to pay him $23 million, but then you probably have to sign him to a contract to stay on the team.
7:07So I don't think anybody's trading for him and that he's making sure of that.
7:13And then outside of that, I think he wants to play for the commanders.
7:18He's letting that be well-known. Shoot, man. He might even be practicing with Jaden Daniels.
7:23I don't think that's outside of the realm of possibilities.
7:27Already getting some reps in secret and some sort of indoor facility doing something.
7:32I don't know. I'm not going that far. I'm not going to get all crazy and put on my tinfoil hat here for you guys.
7:41But that's my perspective on it. And I feel like I have, you know, not necessarily an outsider's perspective as many people might think.
7:50But John, how are you breaking down this whole Brandon Ayuk situation?
7:54Are you in? Are you out? Are you buying?
7:57Are you selling? Where are you at with it?
8:00I'm definitely in the zero share, zero cares club on this one.
8:05So I do not have to worry about him too much.
8:09But, you know, I don't even know that they can trade him, right?
8:13He's on the reserve left squad list. He has to actually show up and sign something to return to the team.
8:21So I think he is just gone. And he's posting things on social, talking about signing with the commanders.
8:28That can't happen until he's released. He's throwing money in the closet.
8:32No idea what he's up to. Kittle's saying good luck with that.
8:36You know, the guy's kind of out of his mind, according to folks that know more than I do.
8:43So, yeah, not in the habit of buying headaches.
8:47So I think I'm going to just let him be.
8:50Just, you know, good luck, man. I tend to agree.
8:54I'm not definitely not buying. I don't really have any shares.
8:58I think I got rid of my last share last season, sold on the hope of him coming back from that injury.
9:06And yeah, man, it doesn't look good for the outlook for him.
9:10But let's say, because I'm curious, let's say he signs with the commanders in September, right?
9:16Let's say this happens early season, maybe even after the season starts, right?
9:21Where do you think he should be valued? In terms of dynasty value?
9:25I mean, we can equate it to picks. We can equate it to a player.
9:31You can approach this any way you want because I'm kind of throwing it at you here.
9:37But where do you think he should be going in terms of his value?
9:42Yeah, I mean, if he's on the field and in shape, and he's neither of those.
9:48But if he were, right, then we got to think that 27 class is coming up.
9:53That class is going to be stellar, right? There's a problem with that.
9:58Trying to equate him there. Maybe an early two at best.
10:02But realistically, I'm not touching that. But, you know, maybe a late two is where I would start to think about it being okay.
10:11But when was the last time he was on the field, right?
10:15Is he anywhere close to shape? You know, he can drive fast.
10:19Can he run fast? Nice. No, I tend to agree, right?
10:23And this all kind of came up because I had a trade offer come in to me.
10:29And it was Brandon Ayuk and the other piece.
10:33I can't remember exactly who it was, but they wanted Fryermuth.
10:37I think it was Brandon Ayuk and Caleb Johnson.
10:40And they wanted Fryermuth and another late round asset.
10:43And, oh, it was Jalen Naylor. They wanted Fryermuth and Jalen Naylor.
10:47And I'm a rebuilding team with Fryermuth and Jalen Naylor.
10:51No, sorry, back up. This was not Fryermuth. It was Njoku.
10:55I had Njoku and Naylor. And they wanted to give me Ayuk and Caleb Johnson.
11:00And I'm sitting here thinking, since I'm a rebuilder, as a value flip, which side of this trade has the better value flip?
11:09And that's what came up. It's like Brandon Ayuk is obviously the most volatile asset in that trade.
11:15And I was just curious, like, if he does sign with the commanders immediately, what could I get for him?
11:23Without seeing him play football, without anything, could I get a second for him?
11:28Because if I could get a second for him, then I feel like I could probably make back more than what I
11:36would be able to get for Naylor or Njoku in this kind of, I think it was a 0.75 Titan premium.
11:43So that's just what was going through my head.
11:46I just wanted to hash that out here on air because I hadn't had time to kind of vocalize all this.
11:54But you think a second is probably the best I could do.
11:58Yeah, I wouldn't go more than that. That guy's got too many problems off the field, on the field, don't know what's
12:06going on, don't know what shape he's in. I mean, I was looking at some data earlier on, you know, receivers in
12:14motion, all kinds of things like that, EPA effect.
12:17And, you know, he's up in the top right.
12:21He's looking really good when he was on the field.
12:24He's on the field. I don't know when he's going to be on the field.
12:30So, you know, I'm not buying it at that, even at the second, not selling it.
12:35I just don't want it. You know, and too, when you mentioned, you know, that EPA playing for Kyle Shanahan, it's an
12:43extremely efficient offense and, you know, it doesn't really matter who the person is that's getting targeted.
12:49It's just more so that they're getting targeted. You know, I think, especially in Kyle Shanahan's offense, we saw with Jake Tongass
12:57last year stepping up and we've seen it from time and time again.
13:02And just, I mean, even Blinken on the wide receiver three that had a pretty big season with them last year, but he stepped up.
13:11No, it wasn't Jennings. It was the guy who played for the Patriots for a long time, came over.
13:18Kendrick Bourne. Kendrick Bourne. Thank you. Kendrick Bourne had, had a couple of big, you know, big, big games with him.
13:26And it's just, that's what the Niners offense does is they set the plays up through play action.
13:32And then they take the big chunk plays because they know they can get them.
13:37As soon as Brock Purdy gets the look that he wants, he knows who's going to be open.
13:44He makes the throw. So that's another thing that we need to think about here is how good is Brandon Ayuk going
13:52to be outside of this 49ers offense? We saw Debo go over to this Washington commanders offense.
13:58If that's where Brandon Ayoub ends up, obviously Debo and Brandon Ayoub are a little bit different play style of a receiver.
14:06And Debo had a decent season by the all stretch of things, but he wasn't exactly playing with a healthy offense either.
14:14So it's interesting. It's interesting. I tend to agree with you.
14:18I'm just out in general. And I think we've, we've said enough about Brandon Ayoub.
14:23He's stolen enough minutes of our airtime here. What do you say?
14:28Let's take a break here and hear from the podfather.
14:31And then let's move on to talk about some dynasty best ball fundamentals.
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17:43Dynasty Best Ball Fundamentals. Let's get into it, John.
17:46I think for anybody out there who's never played a Best Ball Dynasty before, maybe they don't even know what it is.
17:54And I think it'd be good just to kind of lay down the very basics of what it is here and what
18:02they can expect to be different from a normal Dynasty League.
18:06So do you want to tackle this first question here?
18:10You know, what is a Best Ball Dynasty at its very core?
18:14Yeah, thanks. So, I mean, when it comes down to it, it's still your same basic roster, same bench, things like that.
18:22But we're taking lineup out of the equation. No more sitting there figuring out who to start, who to sit, any of that.
18:30And it all optimizes it for you, right? No big deal.
18:34Everything's good to go. You still got your head-to-head.
18:37You're still making trades, still making waivers. But that big piece there where you don't have to set your lineup means that all your bench players are coming.
18:48They have a chance to make a real difference on your team, right?
18:52Like, yeah, 100%. It's that one small change. And I think that anybody who thinks of the word Best Ball, if you're
19:00playing Dynasty, you should know the word Best Ball and what that means, right?
19:05Not having to set your lineup. And your optimal starting lineup is always set for you.
19:11So because of that, like you're saying, your bench becomes your starting lineup or an opportunity for your starting lineup.
19:18Your bench roster spots are opportunities for points. And so because of that, you have to optimize every single roster spot.
19:26Because when that is an opportunity for points, that's an opportunity for you to win every single week.
19:32How many times in a lineup league did you have like the wide receiver three for the Cowboys and he just popped off for 25 points?
19:42But you never got to capture any of those points because why?
19:46Why would you go start that guy when you had, you know, Jordan Addison, the wide receiver two?
19:52There's no reason to start a Flournoy, you know, if you will.
19:57But in a Best Ball league, you don't have to make that decision.
20:02If you had Flournoy on your team, you got to capture that 25 point game.
20:07So having that aspect of not having to set your lineup changes everything that you know about a Dynasty league.
20:14And we're going to kind of get into that a little bit more here.
20:19Let's talk about the fundamentals that are built around that key difference here.
20:24That will kind of define how the Dynasty Best Ball should be played, or at least, you know, in the most efficient manner.
20:32So I'm going to jump into our presentation mode here and we're going to open up our slideshow with the Dynasty Best Ball Fundamentals.
20:41And then we're going to get into the first one here, which is embrace variance, which should make a ton of sense.
20:49Again, if you know anything about Best Ball or even just what we were saying, variance, the boom bust profiles, not knowing
20:57when they're going to have a big game. Maybe not even that.
21:01Maybe it's just they're getting snaps and maybe you're not even expecting these guys to score points, but you know, they're going to be on the field.
21:11And if they can catch three balls and put up 45 yards in a deep enough Best Ball league, that might actually enter your lineup.
21:20And you, you might need to capture that because you never know when your stud guy is going to, you know, bust
21:28for a week and you need to replace that guy with whatever you can get.
21:33I remember, is it Ty Johnson? I think the backup running back for the Bills.
21:39That guy in a Best Ball league is great, man.
21:42Like he'll get a random touchdown and catch a couple of balls.
21:47And all of a sudden he's got 10 points in a PPR league.
21:51And you're like, let's go. Like, I like this guy.
21:55So let's talk about this a little bit more, man.
21:58Like in a Dynasty Best Ball league, how are you embracing variance here?
22:03So I think you said it, right? It's not just about the opportunities, but it's also, it's the volume.
22:10It's figuring out who's going to have that opportunity to go off for that 20 point week, right?
22:17Who's going to get that long bomb touchdown. It's going to get that big score.
22:22And suddenly they're in your lineup. What I like to do though, is balance that out a little bit.
22:29I want to make sure that I've got some stable floor with my spike guys.
22:34Yeah. But that's up to you, right? But I like to have a little bit of consistency and then go over the
22:42top with your Jameson Williams, your Christian Watsons, right?
22:45Those guys that are going to go off for 150 yards and two touchdowns here and there, right?
22:52Get those spikes and win your weeks. And if they, if they do kind of bomb out, it doesn't matter because you
23:00got 10 other guys there to fill right in.
23:03Yeah. No, that's, and that's a great way to put it.
23:07You know, like I think if we were to compare this to like a regular dynasty league, pairing those, that type of
23:15player with maybe like a Wandale Robinson, right? Where they're not going to get crazy amounts of yardage, but they are going
23:23to put points on the board through just catches, right?
23:27So they have a really safe floor, but not a high ceiling.
23:31And then you pair him with a guy like you're saying, who's going to go off for two touchdowns and 90 yards, something like that.
23:40That's the equivalent in like a regular dynasty league of rostering like a CD lamb or like a Justin Jefferson.
23:47You're just Frankensteining it with a couple of players, right?
23:51Obviously it takes two, two or three bench bots to kind of make that player come together, but we can do that
23:59in best ball because we don't have to choose to start with one of them.
24:04We get the opportunity for any one of those three to enter the lineup on an, on each week.
24:11Right? So I think embracing variance is kind of pursuing spike weeks and building around them.
24:17Like you're saying, right? Having those high variance players on your team, but then also balancing them out with something that has
24:25a safer floor that you can ensure you're not going to get a zero for that week, but have the opportunity to
24:33get that high boom game from them. And I think the best way to do that is you assign number of starts to players.
24:41And this is something that I take from Scott Connor.
24:45If you're not following Scott Connor, what are you doing?
24:48Follow him immediately. He's Charles Schill FFE on pretty much any platform.
24:53I'm pretty sure. But what he does is he takes them.
24:57He looks at their, their spike weeks, you know, goes through their profile, looks at, okay, how many times did this guy
25:05score 10 plus points in a season? Okay. Um, player X scored 10 plus points three times last season.
25:12That means this guy's going to hit my time.
25:15You know, my, my roster about three times every season.
25:18That's three starts. And when you equate it to starts, you have to kind of give yourself, um, a target number to hit.
25:27And so how he does that is okay. I play in a league where I start two wide receivers every week.
25:34There's 14 week seasons, not including playoffs. So two wide receivers times 14 weeks is 28 wide receiver starts.
25:41So if I have one player that's going to hit my lineup roughly three times in a season, now I need X
25:49amount of players now to, to get in 25 wide receiver starts.
25:53So that's kind of how he looks at this, right?
25:57He starts breaking it down by taking players, figuring out how many times that guy can enter my lineup.
26:04Obviously this isn't a perfect system. We don't know what week they're going to enter our lineup.
26:10We can't plan for this mini player, this player to enter my lineup this week and this player to enter my lineup next week.
26:19So there's going to be overlap when they do, but this is the best we can do.
26:25If you build into that and plan for more than starts than you need, then you're golden.
26:31Obviously when you have a guy like a stud, like Jamar Chase, you can pretty much just lock him in or 14 starts, right?
26:40That's the, that's the benefit of having a Jamar Chase on your team is now you need less starts from everyone else.
26:48Do you kind of see things similarly or how do you kind of, uh, go around pursuing the spike weeks and building around them?
26:56Is that what you do when you build your rosters?
27:00Yeah, for sure. And kind of like the way that I like to think about it with those spikes is almost, if
27:08you think about like a sine wave, right? So you got that peaks and valleys that keep going across and then you can kind of overlap that.
27:18So if you've got a couple of different players and they've each got their own sine waves as they start to stagger.
27:25And then you'll see those peaks are kind of covered by all of them, right?
27:31As you go across. And so that's my lineup at the top there.
27:36So I'm trying to maintain that straight line at the top across all those different sine waves that are kind of keeping me going.
27:44Yeah, no, I love that. That's a, that's a good comparison.
27:48I followed that with my math brain. I'm totally there with you.
27:53I wish I had a visual for all those, uh, language art, uh, uh, majors out there, but hopefully you guys, you
28:00know what, what the sine wave looks like and you can kind of draw that, but I do love that.
28:08Let's talk about why the boom bus profiles are kind of gold more so in, in a best ball league here.
28:15And I mean, it's exactly what we're talking about, right?
28:19We're pursuing the spike weeks here, but because these boom bus profiles are kind of more desirable here than they would be in a regular lineup league.
28:29I think the results is that you have more relevant players in a dynasty league.
28:34And since you have more relevant players, it leads to a larger trade market and more diverse builds, which we're going to
28:42get into roster construction here at the end. So stay tuned.
28:46We'll dive more into that. But that's honestly, probably one of my favorite things about best ball dynasty is just how lucrative the trade market is.
28:55Like you're always able to approach someone and be able to make a trade and thirds, fourths fab has never mattered more
29:03in any other league than like a best ball league because it's like, Hey, like I got, I got a quarterback that's
29:11hurt this week and I just need one star.
29:14I just need him to get in there. And I don't care that it's super gross.
29:20And, you know, like a, a Mike Jones getting, getting in there.
29:25Like I don't have to choose to start him if he, if he booms because he's got a good matchup.
29:32Awesome. If not, maybe I have another quarterback on my bench that can kind of make up that.
29:38So you don't have to commit to them. I think is why, why it is.
29:44Do you find this kind of the same way?
29:47Do you find like your, your trade markets are a little more loose and you know, they're, the wheels are greased for these trades to happen.
29:56Yeah. Way more fluid, right? Because you'll find a guy that you like somebody else likes anything like that.
30:03And then suddenly they're, you know, on your roster, they're gone threes, fours, like all these late round picks are great for facilitating these things.
30:12As you start to get into the, the more appropriate players, those big boom busts, that's when you get the first and seconds involved.
30:21But just, uh, just what, two days ago, I sent it off, you know, Mike Kosicki for a fourth because somebody else wanted him and I didn't care.
30:31I got a free roster roster spot and then I can go grab somebody else.
30:36Yeah. So good. And honestly, like that guy who got Kosicki for a fourth is probably like, dude, I just bought myself
30:44like five starts for, for a fourth round pick, you know, like, and that's the other good thing about dynasty in general
30:52is, you know, you can have multiple people win a trade here.
30:57Right. Yeah. And I, I want to touch on again to that more relevant players means more diverse builds and we're, we're
31:05going to dive more into that, but I want you guys to kind of keep that in the back of your mind here.
31:13And we'll talk about how, how that's a little bit more possible here at the end, but we are going to move
31:21on to our next fundamental here, which is to prioritize depth.
31:25And this kind of goes along with what we were just saying, right?
31:29These, these boom bust profiles, you know, the, usually these guys are only going to enter your flex on your roster in
31:37a lineup league when somebody's on a buy or something like that.
31:42Right. It's just like, Oh, I don't really feel safe, you know, starting this guy, but I, you know, AJ Brown's on
31:50by and I really, really need a starter. You know, maybe this guy can boom and get me 15 points.
31:57Those kinds of pieces in a best ball league are extremely valuable.
32:01And we want that depth built around them so that we have more opportunities for these guys to enter our lineup.
32:09If I have five profiles that are the exact same, like Jameson Williams, Jordan Addison, Alec Pierce, whose profiles has changed, but he was like that last year.
32:19You know, you can even throw like a Ryan Flournoy in there.
32:23All of a sudden I'm overlapping these sign waves.
32:26Like you're talking about, right? I have multiple times where these guys are going to boom and I'm stacking them all together
32:34so that that line is always at the top.
32:38One of those guys or two of those guys, if I'm lucky, are going to be entering my lineup.
32:45So having that depth of all these players that can have the potential to get into your lineup is so important, right?
32:52So do you think that this is true? And like, how are you knowing that you're a contender in a best ball
33:00league when it's not just enough to have strong starters like you would in a lineup league?
33:07Is there kind of anything that you're looking for when you're getting into a contending position?
33:12Yeah. When you've got to look at your starting requirements, right?
33:16And go, okay, I've got, you know, say I've got 11 starters.
33:21I've got 12 starters. Then I look at my bench.
33:24You basically want to have double the number of starting positions available.
33:29So if you've got, you know, super flex, you want to have like three, four quarterbacks.
33:34If you've got, you know, start two running backs, you want at least four, right?
33:40That are going to be able to get in there.
33:43If you've got start three wide receivers, you're looking at six.
33:47And then when you start thinking about flexes, that's when, you know, because your flex can be made up by anybody.
33:55That's where you get some wiggle room, some play time where you can say, okay, I think I like this.
34:02I could like this. We've got a tight end premium.
34:06Maybe I can kind of put things into there on that side.
34:10And that's where you get a lot of that free, uh, kind of free area to roam in your roster, uh, set up there.
34:19Yeah, no, that's so good. You nailed it on the head, right?
34:23Is trying to double the number of starting positions that you're required to start each week with someone who can reliably enter your lineup.
34:32And now we can balance that out, right? Like, like we were saying, we're embracing the variance and kind of taking that
34:40boom bust player with a more safe floor player.
34:43Like those two things go hand in hand and making sure like you may not see like, uh, uh, Jamison Williams as
34:51like a reliable starter type, but in a best ball league, I would count him as someone who's reliably entering my, my
34:59lineup because he's probably getting in there maybe seven or eight times a season.
35:04And that's good enough for me to count on this guy to get in there.
35:09So I think one thing that's kind of a result of us prioritizing depth and making sure that we have more players
35:17on our lineup that can enter into our roster any given week versus, you know, trying to consolidate and get into those
35:25hammers and have those Jamar chases and, you know, Devon A.
35:29Chan and those types of players. I think the results of that is like studs are kind of diluted in value.
35:37They're a lot harder to move in best ball leagues.
35:40People are very savvy to knowing depth is King.
35:44And when their values are so high, like think about trying to trade for a Bajon Robinson in a lineup league.
35:51The amount of assets you have to give up to get him is astronomical.
35:56There's not one asset you can give up to go get Bajon Robinson.
36:01And if there is, it's another player like Bajon Robinson, like a Jamar Chase or like a Josh Allen.
36:08Right. So a lot of times when you're trying to attain these guys in a lineup league, you're giving up multiple assets to go get them.
36:17Well, when we think about best ball dynasty and we're talking about prioritizing depth, if I'm giving up multiple assets to go
36:25get one asset, that seems like the exact opposite of what we're telling you.
36:30And that is, that's, that's the truth in the case of what we're seeing here.
36:36So because of this, Bajon Robinson, Jamar Chase, all these guys are diluted in value just because the market isn't quite there for them.
36:44People don't want to go and pay multiple assets to get him.
36:48And so they're a little bit harder to, to move or, or to roster.
36:54And in that case, like when you have them just know they're on your team and you need to build around them
37:01because you're probably not going to get fair market value for them.
37:06Uh, and what, what you think is fair market value for them.
37:10So when you're building a best ball dynasty roster, are you seeking these guys out and say like a startup or something like that?
37:19Or are you, do you have a different strategy in mind here?
37:23So yes and no, right? Love a good stud, especially at tight end.
37:28Cause then you don't have to worry about it as much because those things are all over the place.
37:35But the key is really building your roster around where you have those studs and where you need to make up for that in volume.
37:44So if I've got a couple of stud running backs, then I'm going to make up for wide receiver with depth and
37:52I'm going to have more of them. If I've got, you know, kind of a late round QB thing going on, then
38:00I'm going to need a bunch of those, right?
38:03Because I don't have that stud. So you can kind of make up for your, uh, your high end players with, with depth.
38:11I think Koopa did a study, figured out the number of different players it would take to replace a high end one.
38:19It's there. You can do it on your team.
38:22You just can't do it everywhere. So it becomes important to figure out where you're going to make those bets and say,
38:30I'm going to make, I'm going to have some, some studs here and I'm going to kind of dilute the rest of the way.
38:39Yeah, no, that it's so, so key. And you probably are hearing us allude here so often to the roster build and the construction of it.
38:48And we haven't even hit our number five fundamental here, which, which is roster construction, you guys.
38:54So I'm just going to give you a little, um, preview, or I guess, I guess that's more of like a, uh, a spoiler, I guess.
39:04But it is so, so crucial here. And it is, this is why I love Best Ball Dynasty so much is because
39:12there are so many different ways to construct a team, right?
39:16Like, like, like John saying, having reliable, but also high end ceiling outcomes on your roster allows you to dedicate less of your roster space to that position.
39:26And so you can kind of devote the rest of your roster space to make up for, for those, uh, shortcomings on your roster.
39:35So because of this, tear downs are King and Best Ball roster or sorry, Best Ball Dynasty.
39:41They're also pretty hard to come by, uh, but you can get them done in season.
39:46I found a lot of times, especially in very shallow leagues.
39:50I play in a Best Ball league where we only roster 24 players and we still have to start, I think 10 or 11.
39:59So in that league, the waivers are super fruitful, but because your, your roster is so strong in, if you're rebuilding, you can get some ridiculous trades done.
40:09Like, I think I traded like Dallas Goddard, Jacoby Brissett, and I don't know, maybe like Jamison Williams.
40:16I traded those three players for like a first in Malik neighbors last year to a contending team.
40:22Malik neighbors was useless to them. He, he wasn't playing.
40:26And the first was to make up for all the other production, ridiculous stuff like that guys that never gets done in a lineup league.
40:35You can get done in Best Ball leagues just because you need to prioritize depth and tear downs are King.
40:42All right. We're going to take a quick break here and then we're going to get back into our next Best Ball Fundamental.
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43:16All right. Welcome back. John, when people tell you, oh, I want to play in a Best Ball Dynasty League because it's
43:24such a grind having to set my lineup every week.
43:27It feels like it'd be really nice to just have it set for me.
43:32What would you tell that person? It's like, ah, Best Ball Dynasty is for me because I don't want to set my lineup.
43:41I don't want to work that hard. It's true.
43:44I mean, I don't want to set my lineup.
43:47So I can't blame them. But, you know, you set your lineup, what, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, depending on what time of year it is.
43:56Get a Thursday game in there. Friday games. I think we had a Tuesday, whatever these days are that they're playing the games.
44:04You basically have to make sure that you got your lineup, you got your early games in the right places.
44:11It's a pain. I get it. But just because we're in Best Ball now doesn't mean that you don't have to pay attention.
44:20Right? You still got to go make your trades.
44:23You still got to grind waivers. You got to check your league rules.
44:28See if players lock after they've played. If not, you can kind of go exploit that edge, drop them after a game, pick up somebody else.
44:37You get more shots at the target there, trying to get those points by just leveraging, dropping the early player, picking up
44:45somebody who's playing on Sunday, drop somebody from Sunday, pick up somebody from Monday.
44:50You can really grind and get some edge on that.
44:54Yeah. Stay on that grind is what we're calling this third dynasty fundamental here.
44:59I think people do have that kind of connotation of a Best Ball League is that it's probably going to be a lot less work.
45:08And that's probably true if you're rebuilding. You can probably maybe slack off a little bit.
45:13You can kind of just roster these players who aren't scoring very many points.
45:18They're backups. And when they do get in relevancy, you trade them away.
45:23But if you're contending, this is very much a week-to-week game.
45:27You're looking at buying starts. You're looking at, you know, like we were just saying, trading a fourth to get Mike Kosicki
45:35because Mike Kosicki has a good matchup this week.
45:38And I feel like I could use another shot at a tight end here because I'm going up against Brock Bowers this week.
45:47And so I need to, I need to make sure that I have somebody that can, you know, give me another opportunity opportunity to match that production there.
45:57You're also trying to find snaps off of wafers.
46:00And yes, I literally mean snaps. When I'm in a best ball league and I'm on waivers, I go and I sort by snap percentage.
46:09And if that guy has like a 30, 40% snap percentage, guess what?
46:14If I got room in my roster, he's making it on my team.
46:18Another thing that I think is like, uh, flies under the radar with best ball leagues is you need to manage injuries
46:26because it's not like a lineup league. There are no IR spots in, in a best ball league.
46:33So you can't just go stash them, go pick up another player.
46:37An injury on a contending squad is it kills you because now you have to hold a roster spot for this guy who's not scoring you any points.
46:47And it's one less opportunity for you to get them.
46:51Plus you're down a player who's usually a reliable starter for you.
46:55So a lot of times that's why you can get Malik neighbors for crazy, ridiculous prices last year.
47:02Like I was just talking about, I would say it's to put it in a, you know, a term that I know
47:10is it's not laissez faire, you know, like the more engaged you are in your best ball dynasty league, the greater edge
47:18you're going to have churning the bottom of your roster with waivers is so important.
47:23Like we said, just trying to find snaps, trying to get ahead of people who are finding, looking at targets per route run.
47:31I'm constantly monitoring that. If there's, there's anybody who's getting these targets, I want them on my team because that means opportunities for points.
47:40And again, like we were talking about previously with prioritizing depth, this just enables a livelier market.
47:46Late round picks and fab matter so much more because you can trade fourths for players that don't normally matter.
47:53Like you wouldn't even think about it. So, staying on that grind is just another way here that it changes from a lineup league.
48:02I would say you work harder in a best ball dynasty league.
48:06Do you think that's fair to say? For sure.
48:10And also, it keeps the rebuilders engaged because they're sitting there constantly trying to get points off their roster.
48:16And so, they're buying those injured players. They're taking up spots, collecting those zeros so that they don't have to worry about
48:24it and getting that value for later. So, if I'm a rebuilder in a best ball dynasty league, I'm buying those injured guys every single time.
48:34Right? That's an opportunity to buy studs when you can't normally buy studs because they're devalued to the contenders and they're great for me.
48:42Yeah, no. Well said. So well said. And honestly too, like that just goes into enabling a market too, right?
48:50Like, you have more of a symbiotic relationship between contenders and rebuilders more so than you would in a lineup league because
48:58you can't just stash these guys away and like they hide them on the back of your roster.
49:04No, you need those roster spots. Those are more important than holding that player.
49:09Right? So like, just again, this is why I love best ball dynasty just because the trades are there and that's probably my favorite part about dynasty.
49:19I don't know. Do you like trading, John? Absolutely.
49:22I got to get those trades in, right? That's right.
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49:46You guys let me know. All right, let's move on to our fourth dynasty best ball fundamental here.
49:52And we're going to call it zero snaps equals zero points.
49:56And I changed it. I had it earlier calling it the duality of zeros, but I kind of wanted this to be
50:04a little bit more standalone and I felt like duality of zeros was a little bit vague.
50:10If someone was to look at this, they wouldn't maybe know exactly what that meant and we wouldn't have five or six minutes here to talk about it.
50:21So I wanted to change it to be a little more punchy.
50:25We're calling it zero snaps, zero points because that's essentially what this comes down to is zeros, meaning players who have no
50:33chance at production unless promoted to a starting role like backup running backs or backup quarterbacks.
50:39They are actively hurting your lineup and your weekly scores.
50:42Sometimes that's a good thing. Like we were just talking about, John was saying these rebuilders want that so that they can
50:50get a better pick going into the future years.
50:53However, for contenders, those are actively hurting your weekly lineup.
50:57They're stealing an opportunity for points. So there's this duality of zeros here where they're good and they're bad, which we've talked
51:05around and through here so many different ways. But it needs to be emphasized because this is the crux of everything, right?
51:13Is understanding that each roster spot is another chance for you to win your week.
51:18It doesn't even matter the name in that roster spot.
51:22You literally, you don't have to assign names to anybody in this.
51:26You can just look at stats and snaps and targets and you just want them in there because they might go off
51:34for five catches, 75 yards and a touchdown and all of a sudden you have 16 points in your flex because you
51:42picked a guy up off of waivers here. That is so clutch here.
51:47So that whole thing here, holding those zeros on a contending squad, I said you really want to avoid these zeros.
51:54But you push back a little bit on that, John, right?
51:58What did you have to say about this? Yeah, so I think here's where you got to be intentional, right?
52:06Zeros can be okay as long as you don't have too many of them.
52:11You don't want to necessarily have that third string backup QB or something.
52:15You don't want that running back that's not really going to do anything because he's sitting there and he'll come in because he's the handcuff, right?
52:25You want those guys with jobs. So you can balance it out as long as you know when you've gotten your rookie
52:33draft, a lot of those guys are coming in.
52:36They're going to be zeros off the bat. So you've got to plan, have that space for them, and then understand that
52:44depending on your depth, this may or may not be a good thing for you to have, right?
52:50Maybe you want to trade out of that spot, move back, move forward, trade up in your drafts, right?
52:57For me, if I'm looking at a rookie draft and I see like, hey, this is a shallow league and I know
53:05I don't have a ton of bench space because I was trading back already.
53:10I was already doing that tier down. Now I'm going to have to do some consolidation, right?
53:16So I find that it ebbs and flows and over time you do your tier downs, you do your tier downs, and
53:24then suddenly your roster's full of these players and like, I got to do something, right?
53:30Otherwise, these thirds and fourths, where are they going to go?
53:34They need space. So that's when you got to start trading up, you just start consolidating.
53:40And you start doing the tier ups. And so this is kind of that league economy where you've got this whole ecosystem
53:48of people going up, going down, you got rebuilders going, and this is that really live trade market, which I really like in basketball.
53:56Yeah, no, so true. Yeah, being selective with the zeros, like you're saying, not, any QB on a two deep is not
54:04necessarily as viable as a strategy here as it would be in like a lineup league.
54:10I wouldn't say you could just apply that to any sort of roster construction in the dynasty best ball.
54:17There's a time for it, like we're saying, you know, maybe you're rebuilding or something like that.
54:23Or maybe you're thin at running your quarterbacks, but they're both studs, and you want to dedicate one spot to the backup running back for that quarterback.
54:33So that way, if they get hurt, you still have another running back.
54:38That'd be a time where I would say, you know, that might be a good time to be selective and rostering a zero.
54:46If your build allows for it, it's okay to do it.
54:50You just have to be intentional with it, like John is saying.
54:54Well said, man. Well said. Any other thing you want to say here on the zero points before we move on?
55:02Yeah, this is actually, this is a place where I don't mind having the direct backup occasionally, right?
55:08If it's one of those high-end sets where you know they're going to fill in and get that full workload.
55:15What I don't want is when there's an ambiguous backfield where I don't want to carry like four guys to end up with one spot.
55:24That's not efficient for me. But if I know that CMC has got a backup and he is the guy when CMC
55:32goes down, that I don't mind as much because I'm going to get that same production or 80% or whatever it is for that couple of games, right?
55:43Or I'll pick them up off waivers, trade form, whatever needs to happen.
55:47But that's where I don't mind it as much and where I'm being selective about who to put in there.
55:54I think you said it perfectly with the QBs, right?
55:58Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you something that I never had actually thought about until I was in this situation.
56:05It was a 10-team best ball dynasty startup last year.
56:09I drafted very heavy into a contending build. The league puts a premium on running backs, especially pass-catching running backs.
56:16They get an extra half point per reception on top of that.
56:20They get a first down bonus. So I knew I wanted to lean heavily into running backs.
56:26And I traded back, traded back, traded back. I had all my picks consolidated into rounds four through seven.
56:33Then I immediately went Christian McCaffrey. I think I got Devon HN in the back of the second.
56:40I have Derek Henry on that squad. Joe Mixon ended up being on that squad.
56:45Jalen Warren. I was so heavily indexed into these running backs early on that to make the build work, I had to
56:53draft older receivers that were still producing at a high level.
56:57So guys like Devontae Adams, Tyreek Hill ended up on that squad.
57:01I had Terry McLaurin. all these guys, Mike Evans, all these guys in the later back half of the early rounds in a startup draft.
57:10And what I didn't account for going into this build was now this year, some of them lost jobs.
57:17Some of them are still injured. So I have probably five or six roster spots dedicated to zeros.
57:24I can't, I can't, and they're not bad enough to where I should be able to drop them either.
57:30I was over-indexed into one type of asset and now I'm paying the price for that because these, they've turned into zeros, right?
57:39So that's something that I didn't expect in this startup was these guys all aging out at the same time and being over-indexed into this.
57:48And there was, it's just wisdom that I wanted to share with you guys and being intentional with the zeros but also
57:56projecting when they're going to turn into zeros and if they get there, how do you manage that?
58:02Do you have the resources to kind of build around that?
58:06Keep an eye on those age cliffs, understand how old each kind of area of your roster is, and then keep an
58:14eye on that compared to your draft capital. So I'm assuming, you know, this is coming out of a startup, you do
58:22a bunch of trade-ups, move up and get some players or you have some of your future picks still there because if
58:30your roster is that old, you need those future picks for later.
58:34Fill those holes when there are injuries, when they're out.
58:38So just bring in some young blood when you're turning the page to 20, 27, 28, and so on.
58:45Luckily, I did. I was able from trading back so many times, I had two extra firsts banked.
58:51So I had three firsts this year. I think I traded two of them away in season last year to get Justin
58:59Jefferson, which just felt like an absolute steal. So I was able to kind of stop the landslide, but I still don't
59:07know what to do with all these zeros on the back.
59:11I'm kind of just waiting out this season. I don't have to do anything with them right now.
59:18Maybe some of them get jobs, maybe not, but if they don't, then I feel okay dropping them at that point.
59:25But being intentional with your zeros is the lesson here.
59:29Zero snaps equals zero points. All right, let's get on to the next one.
59:34Probably the most important here of all of them.
59:37roster construction above all. We've talked about it already or I guess talked around it already in many ways, but I think you said it best, man.
59:47You said it in the discord when it was Kurti talking about how he's doing his first best ball league.
59:54You gave him some great advice consolidated I think into 10 different items here, but this one stood out to me the
60:02most, man, and I want you to kind of share it with the listeners here.
60:07Yeah, so the way I started it was think GM not coach.
60:12So in this case, you're building a roster. You're getting this team together.
60:16You're not putting in what the plays are. You're not setting your lineup.
60:21You're not figuring out who's going to be on the field doing whatever needs to happen.
60:27You're taking this set of guys, bringing it with you each week and saying, this is my team.
60:33These are the guys that are going to score my points and then rolling with it.
60:39Yeah, it's so important, right? Like you said, a coach would choose who to start every week and what plays to call,
60:47whereas a GM is worried about the chemistry of the team and the profiles that he's selecting to give to the coach
60:55so that they can have an important or I guess a synergized roster, right?
61:00So in that kind of sense, when we're thinking GM, you need to plan your roster around these positional allocations.
61:07Just like in an NFL organization, you don't necessarily see a team with seven QBs, right?
61:13And why is that? Well, they're not going to need them all.
61:17Just like in a best ball league, you want to allocate the number of positions you need for that, right?
61:25And maybe that's four to five quarterbacks. I think that's probably pretty typical for a best ball league.
61:31You want at least three, but if you can have five starting quarterbacks on your team, you're doing it right because we
61:39all know any quarterback can have a down week and any quarterback can have an up week.
61:45So having those bites at the apple to enter the roster is good.
61:50Similarly, you need a plan for running backs, right?
61:53Maybe you want six to seven of them or maybe you have a Bajon Robinson, you have a Jonathan Taylor, and let's say somebody like Quinchon Judkins.
62:03You have three stud running backs that can enter your lineup every week.
62:08Maybe you don't need another five running backs in that team.
62:12maybe you only need two or three and you have a weakness at wide receivers that you want to fill more in.
62:20So you really want to plan your positional allocations here.
62:23Think ahead for how your team should look. What assets do you have?
62:28What are your strengths? What are your weaknesses? How are you going to dedicate these roster spot allocations accordingly based on those strengths and weaknesses?
62:37And I think when you look at your when you look at your league size, your roster requirements, and that's going to come into play here too.
62:47Because if you've got a 10-team league, a 12-team league, 14-16, whatever it happens to be, it's different numbers of rostered players.
62:55And then your depth of your benches as well.
62:58So there are players that are going to be available if you're in a 10-by-10 with a 26-man roster.
63:05There's going to be a ton more available to you on waivers.
63:09You don't need to roster the same way. If you're 12-by-12, if you've got 32-man rosters, those waivers are going to be a lot more barren.
63:18So you have to be kind of intentional about where you roster things as well.
63:24Yeah, no, so crucial there is to consider not only the roster settings, but also the scoring settings too, I think is another way to do it, right?
63:34I mean, if you're playing in a tight end premium, which I think this is actually an interesting topic of the session
63:42that we're going to get into when we get into the roster construction of tight ends, we're going to dedicate a whole episode to it.
63:51But with these tight ends and the new personnel trend that we have in the NFL, we're going to see a lot more of them entering our flex.
64:01Maybe we can build a little bit slimmer at wide receiver and running backs because of that and take more shots at
64:09these tight ends, especially, really only in tight end premium leagues here where you're going to see them become more and more.
64:17I took a look at the war graphs over the last few years and compared them side by side.
64:24The gap between tight ends and wide receiver is getting smaller and smaller as the years go on.
64:30And I kind of expect that trend to continue at least for another one more year here.
64:36So not only do you need to know your total roster size, like John is saying, how to allocate them, and the scoring settings that go into it.
64:46I think the overall theme here is that we want to optimize our roster spots for synergy, right?
64:53You don't want like three stud quarterbacks and then rostering, assuming super flex, by the way, which is really, if you're not
65:01playing super flex, I don't know, maybe it's not for you, but that is the new vanilla for me.
65:08If you have three stud quarterbacks, you shouldn't be rostering another five quarterbacks that are good profiles, but they don't have a starting job, right?
65:17Like a Michael Penix, or like a JJ McCarthy, or a Carson Beck, like we're talking about, right?
65:23Like, that's not a synergized roster at that point.
65:27You're wasting roster spots on quarterbacks because you already have three stud QBs between those guys, they're going to fill those quarterback starts more than enough for you.
65:37What's another way you would say that you could synergize a roster here?
65:41So if I'm thinking about it, and to stick with QBs for a second, you can do, you know, if you've got
65:49your Penix and your, what is it, Tua's over there now, right?
65:54It looks like it's filling that spot because now you've got that roster spot secured, whoever the starter is, you've got it,
66:02but now you're eating up two spots. If you're on one of those more shallow leagues, do you really want to dedicate those two spots for one position?
66:12Not really. That's a great time you can package them up together, send them somewhere else.
66:17Or if you look around the league and go, oh, I had Tua, but now he's over there, go find the Penix manager, send him that way, right?
66:27You've now found some synergy with that other team, with that manager, you're able to bring them across.
66:34If you start to look at your running backs, things like that, you want to kind of mix profiles that, or even
66:42with wide receivers, mix those profiles like we talked about earlier, the consistency is along with the spike weeks, get things that work together well.
66:51We can get into it on a running back show, but for the running backs, I prefer get those guys with jobs,
66:59get those starters, followed by some of those timeshare guys, the pass-catching running backs, the people that are going to help you out in the PPR league.
67:09The backups, I don't want to spend a ton of time there because they're going to be those zeros.
67:16So you've got to be intentional. Yeah, very intentional, right?
67:19I think balancing not only the ceiling and the floor between the positions, but also balancing the strength and the weaknesses of
67:27your roster with studs and volume, right? I think that's probably like the overall thing that we're trying to convey here is
67:35being intentional with every single roster spot, having a plan that makes sense and works together for one common goal.
67:42One last thing I think we should mention about roster construction is not only allocating, you know, roster spots to certain positions,
67:50like, you know, like, I want four roster spots for quarterbacks, I want seven roster spots for running backs and nine roster spots for right receivers.
68:00You should also assign some roster spots to be free to where you can churn those spots in and out of the waivers, right?
68:08Having the flexibility to drop somebody and go and pick somebody else up off of the waivers is so crucial in a best ball league.
68:17You don't want to roster these guys that are developmental prospects that aren't going to give you spots but you also don't want to drop them, right?
68:27Because you're like, ah, he might break out, right?
68:30Those are the kind of guys that I'm not really looking to get and I'd rather have somebody like Olamita Zaccheaus.
68:38That sounds gross, right? But it's like, dude got snapped last year, dude got targets, right?
68:44Like, that was pretty easy to see that he was going to be somebody that could enter my flex for me last year.
68:52And so, having him on there makes it to where, okay, cool, as long as he's still producing, you got a roster spot.
69:00As soon as he's not producing, he gone. You know, so it's like embracing that variance from a week-to-week nature allows you
69:08to kind of be more free with how many ever roster spots you dedicate to churning it.
69:14Is there any more that we should say on kind of that part of it?
69:20I mean, that's where those churn comes into play.
69:23Who was the running back on Washington last year that was getting tons of volume catches?
69:29Was it Jeremy McNichols, right? So, perfect example of this, right?
69:33If you've got that roster spot, you can pick him up, throw him in there for a couple of weeks, and then
69:41as soon as you are done with him, back he goes, right?
69:45Hits a bye or something, gets injured, doesn't matter anymore, right?
69:49He's not one of those guys that you have to care about because they have no value because they're waiver guys, right?
69:57If you see Florinoy's out there and you see CD gets an ankle injury or something, go grab Florinoy, throw him in
70:05there, CD's back healthy, toss him back, right? Big deal.
70:08Yeah, no big deal at all. And I think you need to design for that, right?
70:14Because I think that's such a crucial point of being competitive.
70:18And so being able to allocate some spots to that gives you the flexibility and the ability to execute that kind of strategy here, which makes it easier.
70:28I would also say too, in shallower leagues, it's almost easier to do because you can get better production on the waiver
70:36wire because there's better players on the waiver wire.
70:39And that one is almost like a redraft league when you play in those ones, right?
70:45Like you're just trying to choose matchups at that point.
70:49So you're, you're, there's all sorts of good production.
70:52There may be like 10 guys on waivers that are going to be projected at six or seven points.
70:59Yeah, I know that's, that doesn't sound like a lot, but in a best ball league, I'm down, I'm down with those
71:07projections because you know they can boom and get yourself like 10 or 12.
71:12But now you need to decide which one of these guys is the best one to roster for that week because you're
71:20not cutting an Olamita Zaccheaus or a Jeremy McNichols.
71:23You're probably cutting somebody more like Rico Dowdle or maybe like a, you know, like a, who would be a Rashad White
71:31maybe, like somebody like that who should be rostered, but you need to make that tough decision.
71:37Okay, like he's not going to give me the start that I need this week, but I think this guy's got a better chance to do it.
71:47So again, just dedicating those roster spots so that you can execute the strategy, whether it's a shallow league or a deep league.
71:55It's so important to, to have that ability for, for a contending team and even for a rebuilding team too, right?
72:03On the rebuilds, honestly, you have to be careful about how far you strip things down because it's best ball, because everyone is kind of churning so much.
72:13It's really hard to dig out of those holes depending on how far down you go because when you are trying to
72:21strip it down and minimize your points, you may overdo it.
72:25I've seen people with a tendency to go too far and then they end up in this three, four, five multi-year rebuild
72:33because they went too far and they can't get back out of it because they're drafting rookies, right?
72:39So they need to figure out how to get and do those tier downs and sell the rookie picks to get those
72:47productive vets that are still young enough to align with their timeline.
72:52So if you do want to rebuild, try to find that happy medium between no points and some reasonable amount of points.
72:59That's where you've got to get those injured players, get those backup QBs, backup running backs because as soon as the guy
73:07in front of them goes down, you can sell them off with taking minimal points on and maximizing your return.
73:15Yeah, so wise. I love that. Yeah, you can definitely take a rebuild too far.
73:20All right, do you think there's anything more we should say about roster construction here before we kind of wrap this up?
73:28I'd say just one note to the commissioners out there, to the people that are going to start these best ball leagues
73:36is to keep that size in mind when you are designing it.
73:40So if you're thinking about a shallow league, then if you go too shallow, you might hurt your trade activity because of the available players on waivers.
73:50If you go too deep, then you're going to hurt your waiver activity because you don't have anyone out there and everyone's
73:58going to be having to trade, right? Just again, everything I say is be intentional with what you're doing.
74:05Yeah, no, that's a good point. What would you say is like a healthy total roster spot here for someone who's new
74:13and doesn't have that kind of foresight to think all that through?
74:17The way I tend to think about it, depending on what your goal is, if you're trying to have a healthy league,
74:25a little bit of depth, things like that, I'd say double the roster requirements plus something in the four to six range.
74:33So if you're looking at like a 12 by 11, right?
74:37Double that 11 starters, you got 22, add four, you're sitting at 26.
74:42That's kind of the low end, right? And so if you're on a deeper league, maybe more of a 12 by 12,
74:50something like that, now you've got 12 starters, double it, you're at 24, add six, you're sitting at 30, right?
74:57And that's a good healthy spot. As you start to go deeper, then you kind of start to dry up on waivers.
75:05Yeah, no, that's a good point. Okay. That was great, man.
75:09Thank you. Thank you for coming on. I really appreciate all your wisdom here, John.
75:14You're great, bud. Thanks for having me, J-Mac. It's a pleasure.
75:18Great talking to you. Yeah, man, absolutely. That's the one I wanted.
75:22There we go. Go ahead and throw your glasses on.
75:26We're going to do a little bit of neuralizer for everybody.
75:30Nobody saw that. Stay tuned with us, guys. We got more roster construction coming up for you.
75:36You can look for how we're going to build specifically for, I think, QBs and tight ends are next.
75:43John, you mentioned Koopa. I did line him up as a guest.
75:47He's going to be a great resource for everybody to hear on.
75:52So you can stay tuned and be looking forward to that.
75:56Other than that, John, it was a pleasure, man.
75:59Thanks for coming on. My pleasure. Everybody else, hit that like button, subscribe, do what you can to share the podcast, leave a comment.
76:08We'll be back with Jose next week. We missed you, buddy.
76:11Talk to you guys later. Peace. Peace.