0:00I hope all you out there in those fantasy streets are fired up about drafting.
0:05It's August, training camps are in full swing and that means we're finally getting actionable news.
0:11We got injuries, we got surprise performers, we have draft board risers.
0:15It's all happening out there. Doesn't matter if you've been drafting for months or just starting to dip your toe in the
0:22water, we got a banger of a show for you today.
0:26And I can't wait any longer to rip the lid off this thing, so let's get into the Empire.
0:32All right, here we are. Good morning, gentlemen. How are we doing today?
0:37Good, good. Fantastic. We're about a month away from, we got a month left in draft season and every day feels like
0:44we're either in a draft or on a live stream.
0:48So it's completely, we're knee deep in fantasy football season now for sure.
0:52This is like Christmas every day type things, you know, open a new present every day.
0:58So love it. Mm-hmm. All right. Well, let's, let's get the unpleasant subject out of the way right now.
1:04We gotta, we gotta talk injuries. They suck. Unless of course you faded that player and bankrolled someone who's gonna benefit.
1:11But you know, we never want to see those injuries.
1:15So, but let's be clear. There's injuries that matter in their precautionary absences because tweaks and twinges right now you get a hangnail.
1:23You could be on the show for a week, but we're gonna highlight the most important absences, how we're handling them.
1:30And Matt, why don't you lead us off? Hit us up with Zay Flowers.
1:34What's on your mind? Well, I think he's fine.
1:38I'm just drafting him like there's no issue here.
1:41So I have no, no qualms about it. As you said, it's preseason.
1:45So they're going to be very cautious on everything.
1:48Yeah. I mean, a thigh contusion, that's nothing to worry about.
1:52Give a veteran, I mean, at this point of his career, he is a veteran now.
1:57You know, they're going to rely on him to be the number one all year long.
2:03Take a week or a week and a half off and we'll see you at the end of preseason.
2:09All right. Sounds good. Chris, how about Luther Burden?
2:12What are you doing with him? Yeah, this is obviously the big one, guys, with Luther Burden.
2:18Everybody was on bated breath waiting to find out the news a couple days ago, see if he was going to be
2:26out long term or just a couple days. Turns out he's going to be out about a month and that's significant.
2:33But here's the way I look at it. You know, he was moving up the boards quicker as quick as anybody.
2:40He was basically coming into the middle of the third round and not getting out of the end of the third round.
2:47Now, I think what you're going to see over the last couple of days, what we have seen over the last couple
2:55of days is some people clip him at the middle of the fourth, end of the fourth, sometimes even early fifth.
3:02I did last night for six. Yeah, for six.
3:05There you go. So for me, now that I know it's one month and he's going to be there on opening day at worst, maybe miss a week.
3:15I'm still taking the I'm buying the dip. Give me him in the fourth round every time or or even a little sooner than that.
3:23I'm treating it like, you know, he's he's not going to miss any regular season time.
3:29I don't think it's really I think it's from the offseason, from the weight training they were talking about him and Colton
3:36Loveland just being in the building, you know, working out nonstop.
3:40The OTAs he dominated, the early camp he dominated.
3:43I saw him yesterday. He's walking around. There was no limp.
3:47Yeah, he was following in that. That looks pretty good to me.
3:51I think like, you know what? This guy's ready to rock.
3:55Let's just be cautious. Yeah, I'll take whatever discount there is.
3:58No doubt about that. That's the good news, though, Dan, is, you know, what this is going to do is it takes
4:06his price down a little bit for the rest of draft season, whereas everybody was going to have to pay that middle of the third round price.
4:15You're not going to have to pay that now.
4:18No one's really going to take a middle of the third round anymore like you had to these last week or two.
4:26You know, now you're going to get him at where he originally was a month ago.
4:31So, yeah, I see Loveland as being a big beneficiary and Doonsay, of course, as well.
4:37It depends on what you thought of a Doonsay to start with.
4:41All right. Nelson, how about Jalen Waddell? What do you get on him?
4:45Anything? I think it's similar to Zay Flowers. I don't think there's too much.
4:50No big deal. I think if we get, you know, next week, you know, we go more than another week of him
4:57not practicing, then we start worrying because then it's kind of like, OK, do we really believe these coaches with what they're giving out for injury information?
5:07But right now I'm not worried about it. Nelson, let me ask you this with Waddell.
5:12Is there a little concern just because of the chemistry with a new quarterback and a new system?
5:18Not a new system, really, but like a new quarterback, a quarterback wide receiver trying to get in tune and he winds up missing two, three weeks?
5:27So 100 percent, if that's what happens. That's what that's why I'm saying.
5:32If he misses more than another week, I'm going to start getting a little bit concerned because that's not ideal.
5:39You have historically it's not ideal when you have receivers getting banged up and having injuries here in the preseason.
5:46It's bad timing. And especially if it's a multi-week type of injury and and then they're not really coaches, not really saying
5:53something, but he's not returning to practice. Now, now I'm a little concerned.
5:57Yeah. Yep. Fair enough. All right. I'll just hit the two Green Bay guys, Jaden Reed and Matthew Golden.
6:04I think it's a little bit too early to be concerned about them.
6:08I guess if I had to be a little more concerned about one, it would just be Golden because he's newer to the offense.
6:17But I don't I don't think there's any real news there.
6:20Matt, let's get to another one of the big ones.
6:24Alec Pierce. I'm I'm concerned. I was a big Pierce guy last year, but I did see that he didn't get a second PRP, whatever it's called injection.
6:33That's what I heard this morning. Yesterday there was news that did.
6:37It just doesn't really look good at this point that, you know, it's.
6:42Yeah. I don't like those conflicting reports, you know, it's like, well, you know, do we know that the second report is really the right one?
6:51Maybe the first report was right. And maybe they're, you know, the team is trying to spin it.
6:57I don't know. Yeah. So, I mean, look, he's a guy that was going in the fifth round in June.
7:04Now he's in like the seventh. And I really just haven't clicked on him all summer.
7:09Yeah. Yeah. I can't do it either. How about you guys?
7:13Any any pin action off of that either for Josh Downs or anyone else?
7:18He was a fade for me originally. So I, I wasn't really interested in him anyways.
7:23And this, I don't think it's, this is good news.
7:26You know, I look at it as he'll continue.
7:30I'm surprised his price hasn't. Yeah. Yeah. I've been kind of surprised by that too.
7:35The price hasn't really sagged as much as I thought it would by now.
7:39I think Downs price should be going up and it's not what I've seen in drafts.
7:45And I think Pierce like should tank, but people, there's always, you always find somebody in the draft room willing to take them.
7:53I got, I expected. I got down Saturday at the seven, eight turn because of the news, but I never believed it to be anything serious.
8:02And, you know, I'll take advantage of that as much as possible.
8:06Yeah. The Josh Downs week of when he hit that groin injury really allowed you to get an, you know, an extra round of value on him.
8:15Uh, now he comes back to practice today. All the people that took advantage of that one, uh, you know, one round,
8:22round and a half dip last week, cashed in, um, the Alec Pierce, like we said, I'm surprised he's not falling down past the hundred range.
8:31Uh, this is a guy that he's probably coming close to an opening day type return end of summer.
8:38Then he's got to get ramped up. This is a guy that's been on the sidelines for a long time now.
8:45Um, so I still don't understand that. And then the third part of the whole equation is at what point do we
8:52start seeing Tyler Warren walk into the fourth round or the end of the fourth round here?
8:58Um, you know, he's still making it in a lot of these drafts to the end of the fifth, early sixth.
9:05And it's allowing teams that start off with the, the Gibbs, Bijan, Jamar Chase, Puka range to build on heavy wide receivers.
9:13And then still clip Tyler Warren in the end of the fifth or early sixth.
9:18And those teams look effing loaded. Yeah, totally agree.
9:21How, how high do you think this pushes up downs, assuming that he's back to practice and everything's fine.
9:28And, uh, you know, Pierce is still out at least a couple of weeks from practice.
9:33Are we going into the fifth round eventually higher?
9:36I don't know about fifth round, but there's that tier break right around the 60, 65 range where receivers start drying up in these drafts.
9:45And there's gotta be someone that, you know, cements themselves into that range where the DK Metcalfs go and everything.
9:51And everybody has their little, you know, uh, their, their flavor, uh, of who they liked the most in each draft.
9:59But I wouldn't be shocked if downs moves past these guys and, and cements themselves right there, uh, ahead of that range.
10:06As soon as, you know, like a, like in the Jordan Tyson range in the early sixties now.
10:12I mean, I'm a Chris, I think that middle six when, when the running backs run out after that running back run at the five, six turn.
10:21But, uh, I mean, Tyson, as you just mentioned, Chris, I think Tyson's going to be living in the fifth round pretty much.
10:29He seems to be the guy that's, you know, all these video, all these clips we're seeing.
10:35So I think he's the one that's going to be living in round five.
10:40Yeah. Yeah. Could be. All right. Uh, Nelson, what do you, what do you think about the Eagles guys?
10:46Uh, Devante Smith, Makai Lemon. I just think with Makai Lemon, it's too crowded, uh, in year one for him.
10:53So I think he's going too high in drafts.
10:56Um, I think him as a rookie missing time is not ideal.
11:00Um, trying to learn a new offense in your rookie year, you're missing a ton of training camp.
11:06Uh, he missed, uh, time. I believe he missed time in OTAs also with a hamstring injury.
11:12So there's a little bit of a pattern now developing.
11:16Uh, I'm not interested in him. Uh, Devante Smith, I am very interested in him.
11:21So I am very interested to see, uh, what ends up happening.
11:25I think the report this morning was not expected to practice, but he was out on the field.
11:31I think he was doing a little bit of, you know, stretching and stuff like that.
11:37Would you say Devante Wicks is the biggest beneficiary?
11:40I would assume. I, I think, uh, it's Goddard even, even more so and Wicks.
11:45Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the, the report the other day of Wicks looking like he's about to take over the number two role in the offense.
11:54It makes sense. Okay. Uh, you know, um, the kid lemon, you never want to see a rookie miss this much of
12:01camp coming into the NFL, not getting acclimated with the system, the quarterback and everything.
12:06You could just see a kid like him having a rough rookie season.
12:11And that's another guy I'm surprised you haven't seen the ADP dip to the 90s and into the hundreds with him, with all this time being missed.
12:20I know he's talked up highly. He, uh, people love him.
12:24Uh, he's dynamic and everything. And people want to get a piece of that Eagles offense, but this kid doesn't get back to practice within the next week.
12:33Um, you know, you're really going to start seeing a dip on him.
12:38I believe. Can we give a shout out to, uh, Joey Brown, uh, friend of the show.
12:43I think he's got like 70% Don Tavian Wicks.
12:46He's been a, you know, late round Wicks guy.
12:50So give JB a little love. Yeah. And, uh, Scott Kobe asking is Goddard undervalued in drafts?
12:55I think so. I've been, uh, taking Goddard right along and, uh, in a lot of drafts and he's not usually, you
13:03know, in past years, he's been a guy I've been more likely to stay away from.
13:08So when you think he's going out, you know, it's something.
13:12I think he's going at a very good price right now.
13:16Uh, cause I think that he can definitely pay off his price.
13:20He hasn't gotten expensive. I, you know, based on this offense and, and the way we're seeing it with like, you know,
13:27after Devante Smith, I think it's Goddard. That is like the number two this year, uh, with AJ Brown gone, I think
13:35he should be going up in like the Fannin Laporta territory.
13:39And, uh, you know, right now he's kind of, that's a big jump.
13:43That's a big jump then Nelson to, to go that far up.
13:47I know that you grabbed him in our prime, uh, to complete a nice build on your, uh, on your, on your team there.
13:55And you got to Goddard in like, what, maybe 10th round, 11th round, something like that.
14:0110th round, something like that. Um, I mean, he, he's got better numbers than Devante Smith without AJ Brown.
14:07So the, let's talk about real quick, the three, the three guys that go in that range, they're all priced kind of the same way.
14:16And if you look at them, they're all similar.
14:19You got one, if you miss that whole big tier of tight ends, and then the second tier of the four guys
14:26we talked about, Laporte fan and those guys, you get into that range of Goddard, um, Mark Andrews and Travis Kelsey.
14:34And what are all three of these guys? They're all similar.
14:37It's all looking in the mirror. They're all old tight ends, older tight ends that are the number two option.
14:44It looks like in their offense right now. Andrews second to Zay Flowers, Kelsey second to Rice and Goddard second to Devante.
14:52And they all go right there. So, you know, who's got one more year left in them out of these three, maybe,
14:59and maybe, you know, Nelson says, uh, it looks like he's in on Goddard.
15:04I think Andrews is getting slept on too. And I think he sucks kind of, but you know what?
15:10I don't see that situation. That's a glory review there.
15:14Sometimes it happens that way. I meant on him, but also he sucks.
15:18Listen, that's the one position that I agree with Chris, that you can say this tight end sucks, but he's being, he's productive.
15:26It's kind of like Dalton Schultz, right? Last year and, and guys like that, you're like, he sucks, but like he's being productive.
15:34So I think other positions, you know, wide receiver, a guy can't suck and be productive.
15:39Like the tight end position, I think is the one unique spot in fantasy.
15:44Yep. Totally agree. Well said, Nelson. Yep. And it's just because there are some targets that are designed for a tight end
15:52that, you know, simply aren't going to go to a wide receiver.
15:56And so the top tight end is going to get, you know, a share of those targets.
16:02So, uh, let's, let's move on to San Francisco.
16:05Um, Chris, what are you thinking about Mike Evans?
16:08He's got that quad injury. I mean, you know, on the surface, it seems like, you know, maybe it's a Zay Flowers
16:15type thing, just a quad contusion, uh, you know, but he's, he's still out, uh, thoughts on Evans.
16:21Uh, you know, another one that's, uh, needs to get into back into camp and start getting a rapport down with Purdy.
16:29Uh, he came out on fire the first week or two of camp.
16:33Um, now he's been gone a week. If he misses another week, you're going to start seeing him in the fifth round
16:41instead of the fourth round where he was going.
16:44You know, he started moving up into the middle of the fourth round, uh, right after that Terry McLaurin, Christian Watson group.
16:51He was like that next guy. Now you're seeing him hit the turn all the time and, and land in the fifth round.
16:59You're not going to see him move back into the fourth unless he gets back into camp in the next week.
17:06So, uh, a quad contusion, uh, you know, whatever he's got a contusion, nothing serious.
17:11It's not, uh, but he is, you know, Mike Evans and he's always got these nagging injuries.
17:17And it's a reason why he's a fade for me this year.
17:21I'm actually getting more bullish on Kittle. I was, wasn't in on Kittle, but I'm watching everybody drop like flies and look,
17:29it is risky, but he's a guy second half of the year or in the shootout that could just, you know, put
17:36up numbers that not a lot of other tight ends can do.
17:40You must've saw the video yesterday, right? On Twitter.
17:44That was going on. And over the weekend, there was, there was, there was another couple of ones I've been keeping an eye on.
17:52And like I said, it was a guy I really wasn't on, but I'm watching everybody go down.
17:58So, you know, I mean, we're still, to be fair with Kittle, we're waiting for him to come all the way back up.
18:06You know, we got to, there, there's a long way to go with him, but, um, yeah.
18:11But his price, I mean, in the 10th round of, you know.
18:16Right. Right. He knows the offense. He's, you know, if you take Kittle, you're going to take somebody.
18:22That he can play the first couple of weeks.
18:25It's like with the old guys and I'm going to sometimes bet, not all the time, but sometimes bet on the hall of fame type player.
18:34You know, that's what it's more for me. There you go.
18:37All right. Um, I think that pretty well covers it for wide receivers.
18:42So we're going to take a quick break here.
18:45Um, we'll be right back and cover some of the other positions.
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19:41All right. We are back. Nelson, Nelson sleeping on the job.
19:45Sorry. What are you on the clock in seven drafts right now?
19:49Is that what you're doing? I got a notification.
19:52I was on deck. Yeah. Is that because I'm on deck on our prime time, by the way?
19:58Am I up or on deck? On deck. On deck.
20:01All right. I've been waiting for that guy to make a pick for four hours.
20:06Yeah. Well, we were just talking about San Francisco.
20:10So, I mean, might as well lead into it.
20:13You know, the injury blurb we were all dreading.
20:16Christian McCaffrey with tightness. Tightness. I don't know what tightness is.
20:19Keep drafting them, guys. Yeah. Enjoy. There you go.
20:22All right. I mean, I'm personally not worried about this at this point.
20:27I remember last year, right before, like, the season started, there was the news.
20:32I forget what he had, but there was, you know, injury news on him.
20:36And I'm pretty much not. I'm waiting. I'll take him if he falls to me.
20:42I want to have a couple of shares. I really.
20:45I'm more concerned about the usage. He, like, led the league in touches.
20:49The previous times he did it, he finished, like, in the 50s and 70s.
20:54He looks like, you know, he's all jacked and he's phenomenal.
20:58But at 30, it's a tough bet for me to make.
21:02Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think, you know, and we might as well talk about the backups here because they're both injured.
21:10We got Kalen Black with an adductor and we have Jordan James with fractured ribs.
21:15I mean, you know, between the two of those, I think I'm probably a little bit more in on James than I
21:22am on Black just because he already knows the offense.
21:26Fractured ribs is something you can pad him up and put him out there, you know, if you really need to.
21:33Plus, he's still got another month before, you know, you're really worried about it.
21:38Whereas with Kalen Black, I mean, with an adductor, you could be talking one week.
21:43You could be talking four weeks. It's just hard to say because we don't know the severity of the strain, you know.
21:50And then once again, like McKay Lemon, here's a rookie who's missing valuable practice reps.
21:55I think it just, you know, Jordan James already knows the offensive system and everything.
22:00To me, it firmly pushes James up in front of Black.
22:04What do you guys think? Yeah, I've been taking Jordan James in like the 19th, 20th rounds of my drafts for a couple weeks now.
22:13I expect him to be back first. And if CMC misses time or goes down, you never know.
22:19You could have a guy that plays like a Jordan Mason role for you from a couple years ago in that backfield.
22:26So just a little small lottery ticket to take late in those drafts.
22:31Those, you know, rounds 18 to 20 are really dried up now in NFFC drafts.
22:36But what I wanted to say with this backfield is at what point do they get on the phone with the Cardinals
22:43and say, hey, why don't you ship old man Connor over here or maybe even Trey Benson?
22:49Like Brian Robinson last year right before the season.
22:52Yeah. You know Lynch will do it. So, yeah.
22:55I'm just upset that we're never going to get the Prince who was promised Isaac Garendo season.
23:01I mean, he's the most talented in that backfield outside of McCaffrey.
23:05But I don't know. For me, I'm starting to get to the point where I might just fade this whole offense except
23:13for a couple of guys that go for free.
23:16It's just trending in the wrong direction. I don't want to sound the alarms just yet.
23:21But it's still early. But it just seems like a ton of injuries.
23:26They're older guys. You know, this offense could go in the tank real quick.
23:30Yeah. We can. Can definitely see that. Chris, let's move over to Denver.
23:35J.K. Tottenham is another one that just kind of makes our hackles rise every time we see something about a soft tissue injury.
23:43Yeah. He left practice yesterday with the trainers. What are you thinking?
23:47I don't think anything. I don't. There's no update that I've seen.
23:51You know, it's all speculation at this point. But his name is J.K.
23:55Dobbins. And we know what that means. You know, the guys.
23:59I don't want to say he's made of glass.
24:02But talk about a guy that's just always getting nicked up or hurt severely.
24:07It's one thing after another. Now, you know, we could in a couple hours find out it was dehydration.
24:13Hydration, you know, and or something like that or just Nick.
24:17And he's right back in practice today or tomorrow.
24:20But as for now, I'm still drafting him where he's going.
24:24I still think he's a solid pick on the board to get a veteran body in your lineup early in the season.
24:31If you're someone that drafts like maybe like a Jadarian Price earlier or Trey Henderson or one of these guys or Jonathan Brooks.
24:39You know, guys that you need to see a couple weeks.
24:43You know, he's the veteran name that you could put on your team.
24:48Other than that, maybe a slight bump for Jonah Coleman right here.
24:52That's what I was going to ask you. And, you know, and what's the deal?
24:57Like, is there a more unstexy pick on the draft board this year right now than R.J.
25:03Harvey? Like, nobody cares. Nobody even like it's just like, yeah, I'll take R.J.
25:07Harvey or there's no buzz about him. There's no talk about him.
25:11Nothing, you know. Oh, Chris Froese. You think Spateri would have got some information from the Bronco beat reporter last night.
25:19Well, I think the winner. Spateri, you had the beat reporter on last night.
25:23What did you find out? I mean, it seems to me Jonah Coleman, you know, like he probably needs the injury.
25:30But I think he said he's a three down back.
25:34And that's why he's, you know, very appealing to me.
25:37The question I asked that was really important to me with Jonah Coleman.
25:42I said, like, Trevion Henderson in college was a really good pass blocker.
25:46And it didn't translate last year. I said, in practice, has Jonah Coleman been good in that aspect?
25:52And he said he's been tremendous. You know, they love him.
25:56And he looks like a three down back. All right.
25:59Let me ask you guys this. Jonah Coleman or Marshawn Lloyd?
26:03Who are you taking first in a draft? I like both a lot.
26:08I mean, I think Lloyd has more upside if he ever, you know, can play.
26:13If he plays, I, you know. But, you know, those are two guys that, you know, I would like to get.
26:20Your answer is both, Matt? Just give me both.
26:23I mean, it's both. But, you know, it's. Push them up around so you can get both.
26:29Yeah. There you go. Exactly. There you go. All right.
26:32My question. I know I cut out a little bit, Matt, was last night.
26:37I only got to watch a little bit of the live stream.
26:41What did you guys talk to the Bronco beat reporter about, R.J.
26:45Harvey, who I said was like the most untalked about, unsexiest pick right now going?
26:50Well, he's basically going to have the role that, you know, that we've been hearing about coming out.
26:56That he's going to, you know, he's going to get the passes.
27:01I mean, I'm curious to see if they go with Dobbins at the goal line.
27:06Because that was one of my things last year.
27:09They were throwing a lot of passes. You know, it was either to Harvey or the backup tight end would get the touchdown.
27:17So, I'm curious to see, you know, with the Davis web, if he made it sound like the goal line carries are going to Dobbins and Coleman.
27:26Coleman could get some too. Okay. There you go.
27:29All right. Nelson, what about Zach Charbonnet? Is he throwing a monkey wrench into Jadarian Price for you?
27:35Or is he just a non-issue right now? You know, we got some news out of Seattle there.
27:41You know, the coaches are talking about, well, it's going to be, you know, kind of a committee.
27:47You know, they're talking Helani. They're talking Wilson until Charbonnet comes back.
27:51What are you doing with that whole backfield, Nelson?
27:54They're all fades for me, pretty much. Like Charbonnet, I think he suffered that injury too late.
28:00It was in the playoffs. They're talking about that he's going to come back earlier than expected.
28:06I just, I wasn't, I was a fan of his last year and I didn't think he looked all that great last year.
28:14And now he's coming off ACL. So I'm not really all that interested in him.
28:19I think it's going to be like this committee backfield.
28:22It's just going to be a shit show. Like price, I think is actually, no pun intended, but I think his price is too expensive.
28:31So yeah, just not a backfield I'm all that excited about.
28:35The only guy that I'm interested in is actually Olani.
28:38And that's because of a free look on Wednesday.
28:41And if I can, if he looks good and he can get a few points that I could stick in my lineup, then mission accomplished.
28:50And when Charbonnet comes back, cut him, move on.
28:53But yeah, I just think that the backfield in general is going to be kind of, price is going to be unstartable, I think, once Charbonnet's back.
29:02Yeah, I think that makes sense. Chris, any concerns on Tucker Craft?
29:06Concerns? No, the opposite. You know, I like the way he looks.
29:10I think I mentioned this on last week's show.
29:13He's the type of player that I would fade this year.
29:17But the more I see it and see these videos of him moving well, I might have to really consider doing away with that thought process this year.
29:27I like the offense. I love the fact that Green Bay's defense is looking like shit this year.
29:33I think there could be some, you know, nice high-scoring games.
29:36The one negative is, like, that's the type of offense that I try to stay away from a little bit, even though I like the individual pieces.
29:46I like Watson. I like Golden. When you have a tight end that could, on any given week, be the fourth option, I tend to look elsewhere.
29:55So, and then coming off of a major injury, but he does look good.
30:00And I think he's one of the few handful of names that, where he's going off the board, somebody could get real steals this year.
30:08If he picks up where he left off last year, and he could be that tight end two or three and produce,
30:16like, a fourth-round tight end, you know, we could all have an egg on our face for letting him slide to where he is now.
30:24And the owner that gets him in each of these drafts in that eighth and ninth round, you know, it looks pretty damn nice right now.
30:33Can I ask a question? With the ACL injuries and everybody seemingly looking good a lot sooner than expected, are you getting
30:41a little more bullish than you were, like, in the past?
30:44Yeah. That's what I'm saying, Matt. You know, I might have to stop doing that.
30:49Like, I've been doing that for, like, 10, 15 years, you know.
30:54Like, if you had a major injury the year before, I give you a year.
30:59It's like you've got a redshirt year the following year.
31:02I'm not drafting you. And it's worked out more than it hasn't for me.
31:07But these players, the medicine, the technology, everything. Peptides.
31:10Unless it's, yeah, unless it's like a Charbonnet, like Nelson said, where it's at the end of the season and a quick turnaround.
31:18I mean, how could we ignore it? Kittle and Kraft are flying all around in these, you know, in these videos.
31:25Especially Kraft, who got hurt earlier and is younger.
31:28I mean, there's a chance that, you know, he should be priced as the Loveland and Warren range when the season starts.
31:35And we're all like, oh, my God, we let this guy in.
31:40Could be, come September. You know, go to the sixth round.
31:43Yeah. Yeah. All right. Last one. We already kind of talked about George Kittle.
31:48But let's talk Kenyon Sadiq. He's got a setback following his hernia surgery.
31:53He's going to miss a couple weeks yet. You know, to me, that just kind of makes him undraftable at this point.
32:00If somebody else wants to draft him and, you know, find out that he's behind on everything with the offense.
32:07He was a player that, you know, had trouble earning targets in college, despite his athleticism.
32:12He's one of those players. I'll let somebody else draft him and then drop him.
32:17And if he gets interesting during the season, then maybe I'd pick him up.
32:22But other than that, not really interested. What do you guys think?
32:26I think you said it best. I think he's a guy that somebody drafts him, drops him, and maybe at some point
32:34you pick him up and you ride the hot hand.
32:37He gets, you know. But I haven't, I don't think I have any Sadiq.
32:42Yeah, I was taking it. Yeah, Nelson, sorry. No, I was going to say chalk it up to rookie missing a bunch of training camp.
32:50It's just not ideal. So he's not a guy that I'm really looking to draft.
32:56Yeah, another one, just like a Malachi Lemon. And, you know, these guys are missing, you know, camp as rookies.
33:02It usually translates into a disaster of a redshirt rookie season, especially at the tight end position where you've got to learn a lot.
33:11But, you know, he's a top 15 overall pick.
33:14I was taking him late in drafts about a month ago.
33:17You know, that 17, 18, 19th round with the hope that you could pair him with an early veteran.
33:24And then maybe he's the star like a Colston Loveland came on last year late in the season.
33:30Maybe that was the thought process that a Kenyan Sadiq could come on week eight and later this year as a high
33:38first-round pick, an athletic tight end that, you know, you could see the Jets trailing in a lot of games.
33:44And before you know it, maybe he's the second option in the passing game to Garrett Wilson for the second half of the season.
33:53But an abducted in, you mean, it's an issue.
33:56I had to throw that in, Chris. I said it was always Adonai Mitchell.
34:00I had to throw that in. It was always, yeah.
34:04Yeah. There you go. Matt ain't quitting that guy.
34:07Nope, no. Once Matt latches on to a player, you're not getting out of his hands.
34:12It's Josh Downs, eighth season now. You know, Trey Henderson for life.
34:16So it is written, so it shall be done.
34:20That's it. Atomic Mitchell. Yep. ATM. There you go.
34:23Okay. I think we've covered the injuries pretty well.
34:26Let's move on to some players that are surprising us in training camp.
34:30You know, every year we always see one or two players or three or four or five or six that, you know, really surprise us.
34:39And we're like, you know, kind of, hey, where did this guy come from?
34:43What's going on with him? It seems like he might be able to earn a real role.
34:49What are you guys seeing? Who's a surprise player for you, Chris?
34:53A surprise player. I don't want to say surprise, maybe.
34:57Maybe I'm going to answer this question wrong, Dan.
35:00But for right now, because I liked him coming into draft season as a rookie, but Denzel Boston in Cleveland, I was
35:07drafting him in all my early drafts. Now people are starting to jump the shark a little bit on him.
35:14But, you know, you hear, you see all the clips, you hear all the, you know, all the buzz about him.
35:21And now offensive corner saying, all right, he's going to start playing with the ones.
35:26He should have already started playing with the ones.
35:29The one thing about him and watching him in college is I like to go and watch Steve Smith do his breakdown
35:37of his rookie wide receivers every year in the summertime or in, you know, after the draft and around draft time.
35:44And his comp for Denzel Boston was Drake London.
35:47And Steve Smith is someone that I trust when you're breaking down rookie wide receivers.
35:52So it's always nice to see, you know, him being stepped.
35:56He loves Denzel Boston. He had him as a top three wide receiver.
36:00Should have been an easy first round pick, an early first round pick, he thought.
36:06So, you know, that's somebody that's surprising me that he's gone that far down the draft board, I guess, Dan.
36:12And I expect him to rise. So he's somebody that isn't surprising you that he's rising, but you feel like he's definitely
36:20surprising a lot of other people because otherwise, why would you have been that far down the draft board to start with?
36:27Chris. There you go. You'll enjoy this. I had a fight with Spatari to draft Denzel Boston.
36:33You started drafting him, you sure? He was okay with it.
36:37What do you want, Ted Foreman Sons or Pat Bryant or the Denver Mascot?
36:42I got to give Spatari credit. He was on Pat Bryant long ago.
36:46He was drafting him late. He's like, that's my guy.
36:50Matt, every Bronco is his guy. If a Bronco does well, he has a lot of tears of him.
36:56Give him a minute spot. Matt, in fairness, that's like me saying Kayshaun Booty is my guy.
37:02Yeah. Exactly. You guys, you won't even give him a second.
37:06No, fuck that. No, fuck that. He's not on the show to defend himself.
37:10We can say whatever we want. Nelson, who you got?
37:14Who kind of has surprised you so far this preseason?
37:17Deshaun Stribling is kind of like the surprise guy.
37:20And he's probably my one 49er that I want to target just because he's the young guy.
37:26He's back at practice. He had a little injury, got nicked up, but he's back.
37:31And I think all those other guys are older, always get banged up.
37:36And I could see him carving out a pretty good role during the regular season.
37:41So I'm interested in him. All right. Fair enough.
37:44I'll throw out Jacoby Lane. I think I really was kind of more of an Elijah Surratt guy going into the preseason.
37:51I felt like Surratt was probably the better player, even though he was drafted later.
37:56We've seen the Ravens do this before with Hurst and Mark Andrews at tight end, where they just take a couple stabs at it.
38:05And, you know, it turned out that Andrews was the better player, even though he was drafted later.
38:11So I thought it might be Surratt. But it sounds like Jacoby Lane has just the stickiest mitts around.
38:17You know, you get a pass anywhere near him, and it's like he's got magnets in there, and the ball just gets right to his hands and sticks.
38:27So, you know, everybody in the Ravens training camp seems to be raving about him.
38:32You know, and we know that Bateman has struggled to even be an answer sometimes, let alone all the time.
38:39I think it's wide open for Jacoby Lane. I think he's an interesting guy to take late in drafts.
38:45Did you see the beat writer in my 27 years covering this team?
38:50I've never seen a player have this camp. There you go.
38:53Yeah, the hype is such drama, Kings. These beat reporters are really turning into drama.
38:59They need so much attention. They're like girls. They need attention so bad.
39:03Whatever headline can get national attention. 100%. I really believe that.
39:07Listen, like everybody else, the beat reporters are evolving, and they're figuring out in order for them to get, you know, likes
39:14and followers, you know, they got to embellish things a little bit.
39:18Yeah. They become hype machines. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing is keeping me grounded as we are talking about the Ravens' second wide receiver at best.
39:28So, you know. But also, Declan Doyle's in town.
39:31I'm surprised people aren't more excited about that. The new OC coming in.
39:35That's what shocks me. I'm up. Yeah. So, for me, it's my boy Blue.
39:40Jaden Blue. Oh, he was on my list, Matt, too.
39:43I was pissed when you took him in the slow prime, Chris.
39:47I was cursing you. The previous one we did.
39:50Oh. You know, last year, I really wasn't on him.
39:54I started taking a couple of shares at the end of draft season.
39:58But this year, it seems like, you know, from everything I've heard from the coach, he's got his head on.
40:05Last year, he showed up with Louis Vuitton cleats or some crap, you know.
40:10And he seems to want to earn this. They want him to have this role.
40:15I think he's, you know, he gives them a dynamic they desperately need.
40:19The one thing about Javante Williams, maybe early on he was catching passes, but that kind of, like, disappeared as the season went on.
40:28And Blue can excel in that. Blue, you know, I'm, you know, seeing the clips the last couple of days is reaffirming my love.
40:36Again, it's camp. You know, I understand that. But you've got to take shots.
40:41And I got my bags packed with him. And I'm hoping that this is a nice payoff here.
40:47Yeah. You can't ignore those long runs and the catches, everything.
40:50Like, you know, it's, the proof is in the pudding right there.
40:55Every day, there's big clips coming out from Dallas camp.
40:58And nobody had bigger bags packed with him than me last year.
41:02So, that guy was me. Yeah. So, I guess I'm ready to be heard again.
41:07I'm right back in there. Anybody else? Full circle?
41:10I got two that I could just throw out.
41:13Did we go fully around? Yeah, we went all the way around.
41:17So, yeah. Let me just throw out two other names.
41:21Yeah, two names that I have on this list for this topic.
41:25And I'll just go over them real quick. Tank Bigsby out of Philadelphia camp is really starting to get my attention.
41:32They're really talking him up nicely. I don't know if he just fits the system really well.
41:38If they're trying to take the load off of Barkley a lot this year and try to not make it like a 90-10 backfield.
41:46Maybe they want to go with like a Rams situation, with a 65-35, 60-40 situation.
41:51And Bigsby is one of these guys that maybe should be moving up a couple rounds where you could slip him in as an RB2.
42:00Maybe he's the next Blake Corum here in fantasy football from last year, you know.
42:05They paid a high price for him, Howie Rossman.
42:08He paid a big price for him, giving two draft picks.
42:12Good offensive line, you know. It's somebody that they're talking up nicely.
42:16And you could see a, you know, a road for Tank Bigsby to pay off this year.
42:21The other one is in Nelson's neck of the woods there with his Patriots.
42:26Romeo Dobbs is getting a lot of buzz. And I know everybody's in love with A.J.
42:32Brown, but maybe Romeo Dobbs is going to play a really solid wide receiver two role in this offense.
42:38It seems to be catching everything and have a really good rapport with Drake May early in camp.
42:44So a couple guys that have opened my eyes a little bit in the last month.
42:50Power slot. Romeo Dobbs. I've never been a big fan of him, but I think, you know, he could be fantasy relevant.
42:57Not, you know, nothing crazy, but I could see him being a, you know, a solid guy that you can plug in
43:05in your flex or wide receiver three. Nelson, you know what he's going to be this year?
43:11He's going to be that annoying wide receiver in a really good offense that is either one week six for 60 and 12 points.
43:19And you're like, eh, he's a good NFL player getting the job done for the team, but nothing dramatic.
43:25But when he's six for 60 and a touchdown and people have him in the lineup, you're going to be like, Jesus Christ.
43:33I just got burned for 18, 20 points by Romeo Dobbs this week.
43:38You know, that's the type of, you know, like a Keenan Allen type in the last couple of years, something like that.
43:45That's the way I envisioned Dobbs. He could easily throw in the fourth for 38 week where you're like, I'm never starting this guy again.
43:54And then, yeah. Anyone else? I'll throw out Ted Hurst.
43:57I think Hurst is kind of surprising. He's, you know, Jalen McMillan was out for a while.
44:03Hurst was taking advantage of that opportunity. You know, he looks like a really true ex-receiver.
44:08I mean, I like Jalen McMillan, too. I think he's looked good every time he's been out on the field in actual games that matter.
44:17You know, so I don't know exactly how much Hurst I'm going to end up with, but he's a player that's opened my eyes.
44:25I think they're, the future is looking all right in Tampa at wide receiver.
44:30Yeah. Did you like the report of if you squint good enough, you could see Mike Evans?
44:36I was like, if you squint, you could close your eyes completely.
44:40Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. I don't think I could squint that hard.
44:43The Bucs beat reporter. That was his blurb of the day.
44:47I missed that one. I missed that one. I got it.
44:51My other guy that I think has been a surprise hype guy is Cyrus Allen.
44:56Yes. With Kansas City. And I still don't, honestly, I can say like, I want to be able to take a few shares of him.
45:05But I honestly don't know what to expect out of that situation.
45:09But when I look at it and say, okay, Worthy, already dealing with a shoulder injury.
45:14Rice, the one video I saw of him, you know, he didn't look all that great.
45:20He's coming back from an injury. Could you guys think that Allen could somehow carve out some type of role in this offense?
45:27I mean, for me, this is the only hesitation I have.
45:31I think he could. But the last two seasons, Justin Ross, who was the guy they had last year?
45:38The Rashi Rice-Clint, Jalen Royals. Royals. They were in camp.
45:41They were with the ones. Mahomes trusted them. Then the season came.
45:45And even with Rice missing games last year, it never amounted.
45:49But at his price right now, yeah, I'll take Allen.
45:52Yeah. I mean, Rashi Rice is not the most, you know, solid player in the game as far as, you know, he's
46:00fairly injury prone or at least has been so far.
46:03Xavier Worthy, we know what that's about too. You know, so Cyrus Allen is a speculative pick.
46:09You know, somebody to just have on your roster for the first week of the season and, you know, make sure that,
46:16you know, Worthy can take a shot from Kelsey and get up.
46:21Might be worth it. Okay. You got anybody else, Nelson, or do you want me to go?
46:26No, go ahead. I'm going to go with Terrence Ferguson, you know.
46:30Wait, what? No way. Oh, come on. You know, I just think it's – I've been saying he's the Alec Pierce of tight ends.
46:39You know, we did a whole show dedicated to him a month ago.
46:43And, you know, now he went from what? Like the 18th round maybe you got him.
46:49I think last night he went in the 11th round in ROC.
46:53Whoa. So, you know, I've seen him go consistently in the 13th and the primes.
46:58He was going in the 14th, you know, a week or two back.
47:02And it's, you know, the possibility – the fact that they didn't take like a lemon in the draft, their wide receiver depth is really nonexistent.
47:11I know they have a bunch of tight ends, but I think he plays a different role than say like, you know, the inline guys and stuff.
47:20So, he's going to be someone that – look, he may be a zero or he may be a hero, but I think he's worth the shot.
47:29Matt, what's your percentage ownership of Ferguson right now?
47:33I think I have probably like 25 shares. 25 shares.
47:36Yeah. But like 50%. I don't know how many drafts.
47:39It's probably – You've got to be over 50%, right?
47:43Yeah. It's – I'm probably around the low 50s between primes and, you know, 350s and stuff.
47:49That's all I calculate. I don't do like best balls or, you know, draft champion and stuff like that.
47:55I agree with Matt actually because I look at – he is getting a little bit more pricey lately, but I look
48:03at Ferguson in that offense when I look and say, okay, you got Puka.
48:07Adams is 33 years old. I expect – you know, he had a lot of touchdowns last year.
48:13How many do you have? 13? 13. Something like that.
48:17So, I expect regression there. And then they never really had anyone else like a true like number three behind those guys.
48:24It was kind of like a hodgepodge. What if like Ferguson now in his second year, you know, develops into like that
48:32third option in that offense, more of like a move tight end, line them up in the slot, take advantage of like,
48:39you know, smaller, you know, corners, linebackers, whatever it is.
48:43So, I'm with Matt that I want to see it.
48:46I want to go into that Thursday night game versus the 49ers, get a free look, see what happens.
48:53And maybe we're getting more than just a free look.
48:56Like there could be something there. So, I'm with Matt.
49:00I'm high on Ferguson. I will have a hundo on him catching two touchdowns.
49:04You got to take a shot. All right. I have no doubt.
49:08Get the ladder out. Yeah, get the ladder out.
49:11Get the ladder. Real quick, just to follow up on that.
49:15Yeah, it's a good pick on the board regardless.
49:18But, Nelson, the one thing to add to what you just said is you're looking at two wide receivers that get banged up all the time.
49:27And Adams is coming off injury last year. Puka banged up all the time.
49:32Puka's in the locker room every game, back and forth.
49:35What if one of these guys misses significant time?
49:38What kind of role does Ferguson move into? You could see him on rankings list on a weekly basis as a top
49:46six guy if Adams or Puka is out for a little bit of time.
49:51So, those are the shots at the price that he's at on the draft board that you got to take, in my opinion, all the time.
50:00So, I think he's cheap right now because it's a crowded tight end room, right?
50:05You got Parkinson. You got Higby. They drafted the clear kid this year.
50:09So, there's a lot of question marks with it.
50:12But that's why I think he's going cheaper than other tight ends.
50:16If, like, McVay really came out and said – I know he's spoken positively about Ferguson.
50:22But if he just came out and said, hey, Ferguson is our number three wide receiver slash move tight end, he would be going a lot higher.
50:31I think he would be going, like, where Isaiah likely goes.
50:35Yeah, and the last thing is – I forget how it worked out last year in the 2025 draft.
50:41But I think they traded back, and they wanted to take him in the first round.
50:47So, they got him in the second. And I think this is a player that – a future foundation for them.
50:54So, we'll see. Here's the thing. Especially in the NFFC, there's really no penalty for being wrong on your second tight end.
51:01I mean, you know, it's like, oh, okay, I was wrong on the second tight end.
51:07You know, there's still 12 guys out there. You know, just throw them back into the pool and try again after week one.
51:15So, you know, this is one of those bets you want to make because, you know, if it does hit, it could
51:22hit in a really, really big way. But there's almost no cost to being wrong.
51:27Yeah. And can I give a live update on some injury news?
51:31Zay Flowers, Golden Reed, all back to practice today.
51:34Nice. There you go. Boom. There we go. Glad we solved that for everyone.
51:39Like I said, I mean, can I say one thing?
51:43I think when people say there really aren't edges anymore, I think training camp, there's so many edges there between these hype machine beat writers.
51:51I want to hear the coach. I want to hear the quarterbacks and stuff like that I want to focus on.
51:58All right. So, wait. By the way, can we jump on this topic?
52:03Because it's not on the show sheet, but it was major news yesterday or the day before.
52:09I think yesterday, actually. Speaking of coaches and sports, what do we all think of the McDaniels coming out with the Amari and Hampton, Keaton Mitchell, Vidal?
52:18Oh, I got three backs. I'm going to use them all.
52:21Where do you all feel? Where do you all land on that?
52:26A bunch of bullshit or what? Because I have my take, but I want to hear from you guys.
52:32You want me to go first? You go first, Nelson.
52:35All right. So, where I have Hampton ranked in those group of running backs that go at the 1-2 turn, I'm probably
52:43on the lower side than most people with Hampton.
52:46You're not taking him at third overall? I'm not taking him third overall, no.
52:51I am. Yeah. I want to have some shares of him, but I look at it as like...
52:57You have a small fade on him. You have a small fade, not a huge fade.
53:02Yeah. But a small fade. But I'm not victory lapping saying that, oh, this is further confirmation that, you know, why, you know, I'm justifying fading Hampton.
53:12And I do think Mitchell's going to be involved, but I think it was blown a little bit out of proportion with,
53:19you know, the three backs getting involved, this and that.
53:23Listen, you got to look at it from a coach's perspective.
53:26That coach is trying to motivate all those freaking guys in that locker room, okay?
53:31The last thing he's going to do is talk shit about, you know, or downplay, you know, the third, you know, Vidal's role with the team.
53:40You know, he's going to try to make everyone feel important.
53:44And I believe that that's what he was doing.
53:47So I don't believe that. I think it's going to be Hampton with the majority of the touches and he'll be fine.
53:55But I do think that, like, Mitchell is definitely going to be involved in that offense.
54:00I just want to follow up real quick on Nelson because that's my outlook.
54:05I mean, I laugh when coaches say things like this, like the Jets coaching stat, we're going to use all three backs.
54:12Like, the opposite of that is we're actually just going to use Hall until he falls into the ground and can't breathe anymore.
54:20And then we're going to bring these other two guys in because I really don't want to use them.
54:27And I really just want to use our bell cow.
54:30Like, what is he going to say? I'm not going to use my other running backs.
54:36So, of course, every coach is going to be like, we're going to use all of them.
54:41The hot hand approach. Here's the bottom line, though.
54:44Here's the bottom line. Because of who said it, because of what he said and how he said it, the price of
54:52the brick is going up on Mitchell and Vidal.
54:55I mean, that's, you know, that's just the way it is.
54:59And, you know, because fantasy drafters are going to take that hyperbole and they're going to run with it.
55:05And so we just got to be ready for, you know, those two players to jump up and we got to decide,
55:13you know, at what point are we out on those guys?
55:16I mean, for me. For as expensive as he's going to get.
55:21And I actually want to take this as a buying opportunity on Hampton if he somehow starts falling in drafts.
55:27I mean, I tweeted out this morning. I quote tweeted it.
55:31And my take is basically I want Hampton. I don't see how he doesn't.
55:36Just his touchdown upside alone. If this offensive line stays healthy, Hampton is going to score a ton of touchdowns.
55:43I'm in on Keaton Mitchell, too. I have like 20 shares of him.
55:47I think Keaton Mitchell has a separate role. They are building, like Nelson said, he's going to play.
55:53He's going to have a separate role. We saw this a couple of years back under a Mike McDonald, McDonald, excuse me,
56:01led offense where Mostert and Achan, you know, both ate.
56:04And just the touchdowns. If everybody is loving this offense, I think Vidal has become a very exciting, high contingent backup.
56:11I think if Hampton goes down, that's where Vidal will have his fun in the sun.
56:17Yeah. I see it the same way, Matt. You could still draft Keaton Mitchell and he's going to play a nice role.
56:24Third downs here and there. But if Hampton got hurt and missed time, Vidal becomes more, you know, important than Keaton Mitchell.
56:32There you go. All right. Let's since we put it on the show thumbnail, we should talk about draft board risers.
56:39This is players that we see getting ready to rise up draft boards or starting already to rise up draft boards.
56:46You know, as we start heading into, you know, late August, early September, live drafts in Vegas, live drafts at Chris's restaurant.
56:54The week before that, we got a, we got live draft season coming up.
56:58Who are going to be the players you think that are going to be moving up those draft boards at that time?
57:06Nelson, lead us off. As far as risers? Yeah.
57:09Is that a cold brew? Nelson, is that a cold brew?
57:13Hold up. It's a refresher. We're going with a refresher.
57:16All right. That's good. Yeah. As far as risers, let me see.
57:20I'm going to say that Jalen Waddle, Zay Flowers, Abuka, Neighbors.
57:24I think all those guys are going to jump.
57:27Where are they going, Nelson? How can Abuka jump up anymore?
57:31He's one receiver nine. I don't, I don't know if someone wants to beat me to the punch.
57:37You're going to have to get him at the one-two turn.
57:41I'm going to take Abuka mid-second round in drafts.
57:44So, you know, people are going to, you know, if they want to have Abuka, if I'm in a draft, I'm, you
57:51know, unless I'm in the one hole or I'm in the 12 hole, you're not getting Abuka.
57:57So, I think Neighbors is going to climb. I think he, by the time Vegas rolls around, I think he's going to be at the one-two turn.
58:06Because what I think we're going to see is, we're going to see a lot of Jonathan Taylor, Hampton, Chase Brown, Gentty.
58:14We're going to see those guys in the second round because I think people are going to push up the wide receivers.
58:21Because what people are going to realize is the inventory starts running dry and they want to get that, like, clear number one receiver.
58:30And then they'll figure out running back later in the draft.
58:33Nelson, say Neighbors is cleared. He's starting game one.
58:36It's all positive reports for the rest of the month.
58:40Does he pass Jefferson if this quarterback situation doesn't become more clearer or like a lamb?
58:45Not CD, but because I think CD is clearly should be the receiver over Jefferson.
58:50But I could see Neighbors ahead of Jefferson. Because, listen, I'm just not a fan of Kyla Murray.
58:56I'm not a fan of what I saw with McCarthy.
59:00And, you know, shit could be ugly again in Minnesota.
59:03If Kyla Murray hasn't separated himself as a veteran quarterback and that report is actually true and O'Connell really doesn't know what
59:11he's going to do, I think there's going to be problems.
59:15And we already saw what that looked like with Jefferson.
59:18Jefferson was basically unstartable. So when I look at it, CD's got Dak as a starting quarterback.
59:24That's night and day for me compared to Jefferson's situation.
59:27A.J. Brown, he's got Drake May. You've got Neighbors with Dart, which, you know, I think Dart was like he showed he's
59:35a capable, you know, quarterback in limited action. So that matters to me when I'm looking at those wide receivers.
59:41Who's their quarterback? And I think Jefferson, out of those like number ones and those top guys, he's got the most question marks out of all those receivers.
59:51Agreed. I'm going to be opposite. I'm going to be opposite you guys with Neighbors.
59:56Yeah, I want my shares, but I'll never move him up into that first round, that turn coming off this injury and maybe a slow start and everything.
60:06I need my lambs. I know you guys have trepidation with Justin Jefferson.
60:10I don't. Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase are the two best wide receivers in football.
60:15Murray will get him the ball. They'll get him the ball somehow.
60:19I know last year was a disaster, but as long as they don't name J.J.
60:24McCarthy the starter, then I'm staying in on Justin Jefferson.
60:28I'm going to have those other guys. I'm going to still take Drake London over Neighbors.
60:33And I just if that's going to be the price in September on Neighbors, then you guys are going to wind up
60:41getting him and I won't have any shares. There you go.
60:45All right. I want to address this one. Do I think KOC's job is on the line with his struggle this year,
60:52mostly as part of the quarterback situation? I mean, I don't know that it probably is, to answer the question, as short as possible.
61:00But I don't think it should be because, you know what, Kyler Murray, I don't think, is a reasonable option to put
61:08in there and say, well, you've got to take this guy and you've got to go out and win your division and
61:15go far in the playoffs and all that. Nobody's done that with Kyler Murray yet, so I don't think it's realistic to expect.
61:23They need to get the guy at quarterback. I think KOC is a good coach.
61:28I hope the Vikings don't lose him because I'm a Vikings fan.
61:32But I just I don't see that, you know, if the quarterback situation goes south, I don't know that it's KOC's fault at this point.
61:41All right. Who else? Who else is going up draft boards?
61:45Anyone else? Well, is it going up draft boards now, Dan, or in September?
61:49September. As we move closer, yeah, between now and September.
61:53I mean, that was kind of the way that Nelson phrased it in the chat was, you know, who do we see moving up the draft boards?
62:02I think there's a guy that's doing it right now.
62:05I mean, maybe I'm partly to blame, but I've seen others doing it this week.
62:11I know who you're going to say. I don't see why.
62:14Like in that fourth round, after Watson, if you want to say, like after Watson, is there other receivers you really want more than him?
62:23I don't know. I'm not taking DJ Moral. For me, there is.
62:27Yeah. You know, it is. It is interesting. Nelson, you're on the opposite side of Parker Washington.
62:33Matt, you're all in on Parker Washington. I guess I fall somewhere in the middle on that.
62:39But Matt, I can't argue your point. I mean, after that, after that third, fourth round turn, when you're going straight to
62:46the end of the fourth round, I find myself clicking on Parker Washington, too.
62:51You know, there's no reason. All those other receivers are guys like Mike Evans and, you know, DJ Moore, guys that a
62:58lot of people aren't in love with this year.
63:01And why not bet on a good offense and a good player that's dominating camp like Parker Washington?
63:07So I got no issue with that. I don't know.
63:11I'm probably in on McLaurin before Washington. Oh, no.
63:14I am, too. He usually goes. He usually goes early.
63:17Before that. Matt's just talking about a wide receiver that's going to move up.
63:22And like, you know, yeah, Parker Washington was a fifth round guy.
63:26Then he became an end of the end of the fourth round.
63:30And now he's like creeping into the middle of the fourth and a lot of these drafts.
63:36He was a six year old guy, too, at one point.
63:40You know, yeah. My guy, you know, I thought Matt was going to say this guy's name.
63:46We talked about him earlier. Jordan Tyson is on the rise and that train isn't going to stop until the fifth round, I believe.
63:54I think he's the next guy up. You know, this guy would have been a top five overall pick if without injuries.
64:01He could be the next superstar wide receiver in football and especially in fantasy.
64:06So I think that you'll start seeing him on the rise with all these training camp blurbs.
64:12I wonder what that does to a Lave's price is the, you know, the trade off of that.
64:18Or and even, you know, at what point do we start moving Tyler Shuck up the board as maybe a potential guy
64:26that could be a top 12 fantasy quarterback? If this kid Tyson is as advertised and destroying camp.
64:32Now you got a Lave and Tyson at this kid's disposal and he can run.
64:37So why are we still letting Tyler Shuck fall into 15, 16, 17 rounds of fantasy drafts?
64:43You know, it's one of those things that aren't equaling up, you know, I like both dark and shock as my as
64:50my QB to I think, you know, you get that.
64:54Well, people people were worried about and not taking dart anymore because, you know, neighbors.
64:59Was he going to be there for the first six weeks?
65:02What's this kid going to be throwing to? Yeah.
65:06But what about last year? No dart was. He didn't play with neighbors.
65:10He basically got hurt. Yeah. Fair point. Fair point.
65:13Fair point. You know. All right. Well, yeah, dart.
65:16I think with dart, the concussions were part of the concern and the neighbors was part of the concern.
65:23The neighbors part seems to be kind of alleviated.
65:26So I feel better about my dart tears at this point.
65:29He did have Wandel though. Let's throw that out there.
65:33Bags are fully packed with Tyson though. My biggest concern with you.
65:37You've been a Tyson guy from last month. I remember.
65:40But my biggest concern with dart, I'll say this, is that Matt Nagy's the offensive coordinator.
65:46That's where, you know, I'll have some trepidation. But I think he can overcome.
65:51Does it matter what play is called though once dart breaks the huddle?
65:55Well, that's true. But I'm just saying, I'm trying to find, you know, I'm trying to be fair and balanced.
66:02Fair enough. A couple of guys I think have moved up a little bit and might end up moving up even more.
66:09How about Claiborne in Minnesota? He's a guy that everybody seems to be getting on to.
66:15And then Trey Harrison for the Chargers. Another one that, you know, and we saw Mike McDaniel talking up Harris.
66:22Harris is basically, you know, he's looking at it as it's, you know, three good receivers instead of just two.
66:28And putting Harris in that group. So, what do you guys think about those?
66:33That was? Trey Harris, I think, is the, he's the sleeper guy that nobody's, not that nobody's.
66:39Is he going to rise? I guess that's the question.
66:42Do you see him as a riser? I don't know if I see him so much as a riser, but I see
66:50him somebody that beats his draft price by a lot.
66:53Like, that's what, that's why I'm not on the QJ train.
66:57I take some QJ. I know the syndicate is on QJ, but I'm a Trey Harris truther.
67:03And I think he ends up being the Chargers wide receiver too this year.
67:08And I'll talk about Claiborne. There's been like mixed reviews on Claiborne early in camp.
67:13And then as he's coming along now, he's breaking some long runs.
67:17So, people are in on, it's a good shot to take because the depth chart above him, you know, the Vikings didn't even want Aaron Jones back.
67:26You know, he had to take a pay cut to come back.
67:30So, he had one foot out the door. But I'll talk on this because it was actually my next answer, Dan.
67:37Am I freezing up? I don't know. Yeah, you did for the show.
67:42You're good, man. Okay. Anyway, just capitalizing on, following up on Claiborne.
67:46My answer was going to be Jordan Mason for someone that in September we could see he rise two rounds because I
67:53still think that everyone's going into these drafts and looking at us.
67:57Who's the starter? Is it Aaron Jones? Is it Mason?
68:01Is it 50-50? Whatever. What if the Vikings in the next coming weeks just come out and are like, listen, we're riding Mason.
68:09Mason's our guy. Then what's going to prevent Jordan Mason from moving up into like the 70s range, you know, instead of
68:16pick 100 and, you know, 100 plus right now?
68:19I still think there's like, you know, room for him to grow on the draft board here.
68:25So, Mason's one of those guys that I see room for him to jump up draft boards big time.
68:32And one other quick name I'm going to throw out just because I've liked him since he got drafted.
68:38And it kind of looked like he was the forgotten name now a couple months ago.
68:43But now he's looking like he's the number one, even in a shitty situation.
68:48But Malik Washington, I think, should start moving up boards about two, three rounds.
68:53You know, someone's got to catch the ball in Miami.
68:56It just can't be A-Chan running the ball and Malik Willis running the ball.
69:01There's got to be some completions here in this offense.
69:05And it looks like right now the chemistry between him and Malik Washington are great.
69:10Would it be shocked to see Malik Washington as a 13th, 14th, 15th rounder catching five, six balls every week on a
69:17team that's going to be losing all the time?
69:20It just doesn't add up. And Malik Washington, I think, is a sneaky wide receiver on the board.
69:26Love it. All right. I think we've pretty well hit that one, too.
69:31We'll take our quick five seconds of silence here before we get into looking at an NFFC board.
69:37Get ready, Nelson. And we're back. There we go.
69:40Good job, Nelson. All right. And we're going to let Nelson kind of lead off this discussion.
69:46For those of you who are listening to this on a podcast, I mean, you know, if you can check it on
69:53YouTube, we've got the board right up there where it'll be a lot easier to follow this discussion.
70:00But Nelson, you were in this draft. And tell us a little bit about how the draft went.
70:06What surprised you? What things happened that you expected to see?
70:09Just kind of get us started here. Sure. I was out of the 11 hole and I wanted to start a team
70:17with James Cook and then just see what happens on the wraparound.
70:21Team 12 took London and A.J. Brown. So once that happened, I knew that I was going to build this team with
70:29starting two running backs and then see what happens from there.
70:32So if you would have if you would have gave me six guesses out of which team Nelson was in this, I would not have got it correct.
70:42This is not a Nelson team. It's not a Nelson build.
70:46But I but I like what you did for a couple of reasons that it's interesting to talk about your team once we get into it.
70:54Yeah. So that that's why I thought it would be an interesting subject, because this is not typically, you know, what you see out of out of me.
71:04But I want to have a couple of these type of builds because, you know, I think I've said it on on
71:12a few shows on my live stream that I've done is that those running backs on the back end could be difference makers.
71:19And I don't want to just go where I'm taking one and a receiver just because that's my preference as far as
71:27how I construct my roster and my starting lineup.
71:30So I do want to force myself to take two running backs because I do like some of those guys.
71:37Those guys have a lot of upside. So, yeah, it was different.
71:41It forced me to to think a little bit different players that I'd be targeting in certain rounds.
71:47It totally changed. It shifted the positions around. So, yeah, I mean, that's we can start from there.
71:53You know, and and and then, you know, talk about other teams, whatever you guys want to do.
71:59Yeah, like I think you put up a good point here, Nelson, especially picking from the back with London Brown going.
72:06I've done three slow primes. The first one I started out three wide receivers from the five with the next two.
72:14I got eight, nine and I went double running back, which is something I really didn't see myself doing.
72:20But those were the best two players there. And I won't make that mistake again like I did last year.
72:27Not wanting to go to double running back. So it is a different.
72:31I think you've got to be a little more aggressive on receivers.
72:35And, you know, the back end isn't ideal for it.
72:39But it's a small sample size, Chris. But this is what I was talking about as far as like risers, for example,
72:46is, you know, again, it's the first live prime time.
72:50But as we move forward, I think there's going to be guys in the back end where they're going to say, you
72:57know what, like, I don't like they're going to do one team and they're going to be like, all right, I don't like this.
73:05Like the receivers dry up at the four or five turn.
73:09I don't like my team. And you're going to see like the guy in the 12 hole.
73:15He takes London, A.J. Brown. Look at the next two receivers off the board.
73:20Neighbors and Abuka. What I'm saying is those guys are going to shift.
73:24And there's going to the 11 in the 10 hole teams.
73:28They're going to say, screw Taylor, screw Brown. I much rather have the receiver, the yellow sticker.
73:34And you're going to see Neighbors and Abuka move up to that area.
73:38And all those running backs that you saw in the second round are all going to get shifted down.
73:45You're 100 percent right with what you just said.
73:48Neighbors is going to be that guy that moves up because as soon as A.J.
73:53Brown or London come off the board, we've been saying it for weeks now.
73:58There's like that gap. Right. And then it's going to be who moves up quicker to get Abuka, Flowers, Pickens, Nico, Alave.
74:05Right. There's like that little, you know, that little, you know, dry spot.
74:10Right. Where the running backs go and Bowers. So, yes, you're right.
74:14Neighbors is going to be that guy that moves into that 11 to 14, 15 range come the big money draft.
74:21So all the wide receiver whores want to get their hands on receivers.
74:25And Neighbors will be that guy. I was just saying, I'm not going to move.
74:30I'm personally not going to move them up that high.
74:34I'll go running back there. And the reason why I've been talking for weeks now about being on that back end and
74:41liking that 9 through 12 range in the first round is, you know, you're locked into a really good wide receiver in the third round.
74:50When the third round starts, you got all those yellow stickers and it goes straight across.
74:55So you're locked into one and you can start forgetting about the running back position for a while.
75:01When you do what you did in this draft with two monsters and James Cook and Chase Brown, you just ran into
75:09the other problem that we've been talking about for a couple of weeks now is at the end of the fourth and
75:16fifth round, you missed the wide receiver run. The wide receivers dried up.
75:21You had to settle for Carnell Tate as your wide receiver two.
75:25You may like Carnell Tate a lot. I don't know.
75:28That's, you know, I'm sure you don't want him as your two, but that's the price trade off for getting two big running backs right there.
75:37You know, I'll turn it over to you guys.
75:40I got to look into this a little more.
75:43Yeah. So here's my thought process so you guys can kind of go inside my mind of what I was thinking as the draft was going.
75:52So the wide receivers dried up in the fourth round.
75:56I take Tate, not ideal as my number two, but I am high on Tate this year.
76:01And he was the next receiver off the board.
76:05The rest of those guys, like I've said, like Adams, Evans, I'm not into old wide receivers.
76:10Like you're just not going to see those guys on my teams.
76:14So I felt the next position was running back was the value.
76:18And I said to myself, you know what, my wide receiver three, no matter what, I'm not going to feel great about.
76:26Let me lock in the flex. And at least my perceived edge is, you know what, I'm high on Scadabo.
76:33So I look at it as let me lock him into the flex.
76:37So my flex is not weak also, because now I'm at it.
76:41I'm pushing up one of those receivers that I don't really feel great about.
76:46So as my wide receiver three and now my flex coming back around is not going to be, I'm not going to be thrilled with it.
76:55So that's, that was my thought process behind it.
76:58And then once again, it got a lot of people are doing that too, Nelson.
77:03A lot of people are going that fifth round range this year and just saying, F it.
77:09Let me get another, the running backs are name wise, more valuable and better fantasy players.
77:14And can produce more points for me than the wide receiver.
77:18So let me go with a running back in the flex position, which should have started a couple of years ago.
77:25But now people are just starting to come around to it.
77:29But that was the right thought process. And just so you know, the two players that were in my thought process was actually Scadabo and Tyler Warren.
77:38So I looked at it as I need to grab an edge at, at a perceived edge.
77:44Again, it's my opinion. You know, I think Warren can be an edge at tight end.
77:50So I wanted to grab an edge at one of those positions, either flex or tight end.
77:55So it was between those two guys there. I was never just, I was maybe in the next draft, I take a
78:03wide receiver three there, but there was, there was no one like I was in love with at that spot.
78:10So, you know, just so you guys know my thought process.
78:13All right. A hundred percent. And you come back and you do the same exact thing with, after getting the edge at
78:21flex, you get the edge at quarterback with an elite quarterback as well.
78:25And obviously your weakness on this team is the wide receiver position.
78:29I'm surprised that you just didn't hit it a little more as the draft kept going.
78:35Yeah. Again, it was one of those things where I, I ended up taking Pittman instead of, I believe Golden and Reed were there.
78:43And those have been targets of mine. I just took Pittman because I wanted it like a steady guy.
78:50I didn't want to sit there and just keep going for like home run type of picks with my wide receiver three.
78:57So I took a steady Pittman. Higgins was another like upside guy.
79:01Stribbling, another upside guy. Trey Harris, again, another upside guy.
79:05So I felt like I addressed enough at the wide receiver position to try to figure out, you know, one of those
79:12guys to play as my wide receiver three. Yeah.
79:15Okay. Yep. Makes sense. One thing I noticed is definitely the quarterbacks all sort of took a step up.
79:22At least the early quarterbacks took a step up from what we've been seeing in the OCs.
79:27You know, Josh Allen, middle of the third instead of kind of, you know, at that three, four turn or sometimes even later than that.
79:36We've been seeing Jackson and May go in the seventh round a lot, getting pushed up into the sixth.
79:42So I thought the pick of May was a really good one because you didn't try to push him around the corner or anything.
79:51He was, you know, he was, you know, a clear tear break after him.
79:55You grab that guy and, you know, force team 12 to do something different.
80:00Big money, big quarterbacks. Yeah. Yeah. And Matt, exactly.
80:03I mean, come on. What are we doing here?
80:06I know that you got to put your builds together and stuff, but I'm just saying, I'm looking at the names in the sixth round.
80:15Um, you're going to try and tell me that any, and I'm not saying they went over these guys, but like a
80:22Cortland Sutton, a Jadarian Price, a Bucky Irving, Brian Todd, DK Metcalf.
80:26We're going to really take these guys in fantasy over difference makers on a weekly basis of a Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Drake May.
80:35Guys that single handedly can win you weeks with 45 points.
80:38But, you know, what, you know, for a Cortland Sutton, a DK Metcalf, no, I'll take my chances on a receiver in the next couple rounds.
80:47Give me that elite quarterback edge every time. Yep.
80:50Agreed. I mean, to me, the thing that's interesting here is I saw it in the last slow draft I did with Chris and Nelson.
80:59Uh, you just saw how the wide receivers that you were getting in the 10th round are now in eighth or the
81:06seventh, like a, like a Jaden Higgins and stuff.
81:09And, you know, it's just going to get tighter and tighter.
81:13So, you know, you just got to be prepared.
81:16And I think Nelson taking the scatterboo there was definitely the right call.
81:21Like you, he, he, he made the bet. I'm, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to win the flex.
81:27And, you know, I would have scatterboo up there too.
81:31Yeah. Uh, Nelson, I thought team three was your team.
81:34Uh, when I looked at the board earlier, um, I, I thought off the bat that it could have been your team.
81:42And then there was one other team I thought might've been yours, but going through all these teams and I'm sure we will right now.
81:50Um, you know, I, I thought everybody drafted really well in this draft.
81:54There was no teams that stood out to me that I was like, what the hell's going on here?
82:01Chris, I can't believe you haven't mentioned team one yet.
82:04They, uh, they've got to be a listener to the show because you were talking last week about, you know, you can,
82:12you can use that second tight end and put them in the flex.
82:16And, you know, that looks like what team one is doing there.
82:20Yeah. Yeah. Dan, um, a good point. Cause I noticed that.
82:24And I said, this is probably a team that'll stick out to someone and be like, what, what is this guy doing?
82:32Whatever. But, uh, when you look at it, he didn't go back to back with Warren and craft.
82:38He took Warren where he should have right there at the turn, uh, got the advantage of tight end came all the way back around.
82:46And I'm sure what was in his mind was, uh, am I going to drop down and take some of these receivers
82:54to be my flex and my number four wide receiver?
82:57Or maybe he's just really high on Tucker craft looks at him as an elite top five tight end and said, F it.
83:05He's my flex player. And I'll play craft, uh, with Warren every week.
83:10So, um, and he, and he did it at the turn with Tony Pollard, who could be a solid third running back.
83:17Uh, I liked the way he put this team together.
83:20He got three monster wide receivers and he obviously has Gibbs, uh, hit on quarterback with Dak waited and got Dak with Mahomes.
83:28Isn't it crazy that Mahomes is going to be a backup on fantasy this year on most people's teams?
83:35Um, that's pretty wild to me. Uh, never thought we'd see that day, but I like the way this guy put the team together in team one.
83:44Yeah. Yeah. It's a well-constructed team. How about, uh, how about team two?
83:48What do you guys think about that construction? I like that too.
83:52I mean, you get Bijan, he played it, you know, he played it perfectly.
83:57In my opinion, he hit four. Four, hit four wide.
84:01He took the shot on Henderson, backed it up with, uh, Stevenson.
84:05I like, you know, I like both his quarterbacks.
84:08Tight end likely is, uh, you know, he's primed for a big season, put it that way.
84:14That's the earliest I've seen Godwin go in any draft, right guys?
84:18But in this particular draft, Nelson, you were in it.
84:21Like wide receivers are flying up the board. Uh, you know, when you get in these situations, it doesn't matter that you
84:29say in your head, oh, Godwin's a sixth rounder, end of sixth rounder.
84:33Uh, not anymore. He's not in this draft. Now you make him a fifth rounder and you get him as your four.
84:41Um, so. Well, Chris. It just starts getting really sketchy.
84:44Like if you, if you look at it again, just my opinion, Cortland Sutton, DK Metcalf, Alec Pierce, uh, you know, even
84:51my Michael Pittman pick, like I don't freaking feel good about it.
84:56Like it, it's sketchy, but like those guys don't look at, I don't look at them as like, I'm excited about grabbing
85:03them as like my number three receivers. So that's, that's why I'm saying to you guys, that thought process is in my head.
85:11When we were talking, when Dan asked the question about risers, I'm like all those early receivers.
85:17Like when you said, where are they going to rise to Nelson?
85:21They're already high enough. That's my thinking is that their guys are going to be hungry to get those legit number one receivers of their team.
85:30And my question here is like Chris just said is like, when you're talking about his, he's a sixth rounder, he's a
85:37sixth rounder pretty much in online championship. So for me, if I like the guy, I'm just for the most part going
85:45along with the market, not really jumping dice too much or that often.
85:49Right. But come the prime time, you know, I'm putting up a lot more money.
85:54I'm going to be much more aggressive. You're right, Matt.
85:58That's, you know, right now in online championship season, we're not reaching for anybody.
86:02Even we all know who our guys are in these drafts, but none of us are moving them up around and a
86:10half to grab them because we're going to wait and see.
86:14On a nightly basis who falls in our lap at a value.
86:18But when the big money's on the line, yeah, we're moving these guys up a round or two even to make sure we do it.
86:26The only thing I would have done differently that this guy did in the second hole is I'm taking Tyler Warren there instead of Godwin.
86:35Because I don't think there'll be a huge difference between the receivers that went in the sixth round after that compared to a Godwin.
86:43Right. So I'm taking the advantage of Tyler Warren before the cliff comes, getting the advantage of a Bijan as a top
86:51two running back, three monster receivers, an elite top four tight end.
86:55And then I'll take my fourth wide receiver. If, in fact, that's what his goal was, was to make sure he had four receivers at that point.
87:04I'll wait two more picks and I'll take Tyson Sutton, Brian Thomas, DK Metcalf as my four.
87:10But I'm going to make sure I get Warren for the edge.
87:14Would you have taken, say, Tyson instead of Godwin as your four for the upside play?
87:19No, not necessarily. You know, that's just a player preference between the two.
87:24I talk more build than player, you know. No, no, I get that.
87:28I was just curious. What I'll say is that if you're asking, would I rather have Tyler Warren and Jordan Tyson instead
87:36of Godwin and lose out on Warren all day, give me Warren and then Tyson.
87:41Yeah. Honestly, I would take Tyson there just because I'd be looking, you know, I've got three great wide receivers I feel
87:48really good about and then I want that upside shot of Tyson.
87:52I think that probably fits the build a little bit better than Godwin.
87:57But, you know, again, it's preferences. You know, this guy might think that, you know, Godwin is going to do everything that I think Tyson's going to do.
88:06So, you know, that's the way it goes. Yeah.
88:09All right. Team three? Team three? Is that Nelson?
88:12Who's breaking down that one? Huge, huge. Yeah. That's a nice deal on McBride there.
88:18That's for sure. Yeah. I mean, team three, you know, this is like a similar type of build that I like to do.
88:25That's why Chris, you know, would have guessed, you know, my team.
88:29I don't really have an issue with, you know, what he did.
88:34Three wide receivers. Got a discount in McBride. Um, decided to pair, you know, Burrow with Chase.
88:39Got a running back that he liked in Tootin.
88:42And then when you – the 7-8 turn, that's where you got to grab your RB2 and then you got to figure out your flex.
88:51because now you've taken an early tight end and an early quarterback.
88:55So something's going to look weak. So like, you know, his RB2 and his flex, you know, I guess on paper would be like the question marks.
89:04I did like that he went Harvey and Coleman.
89:07He was able to get both of them. They just said that J.K.
89:12Dobbins is back in pads in practice already. So it's a nothing burger with that whole thing.
89:18But, you know, again, J.K. Dobbins. I thought also interesting he double tapped on Cleveland with Concepcion in Boston.
89:24Yeah, I like that too. Yep. By the way, Kyler Murray named Vikings starting quarterback today.
89:29He will. Okay. All right, let's move up. That'll keep all the J.J.
89:34people quiet, I'm sure. Well, that should entrench him in the first round, I would assume, for the people.
89:40I don't think anybody was – I mean, he's getting drafted where he's drafted based on Kyler Murray.
89:47Yeah, no, I know. If he's a name starter or Murray went down, J.J.
89:51would fall to the third round probably. No, but I'm saying like Nelson mentioned earlier in the show about what was happening this weekend, if that's true.
90:01Yeah. So people probably were starting to get a bit nervous.
90:04Yeah. Gotcha, gotcha. All right, who's up next? Team four.
90:08I'll go first on this one. I didn't really like the way he started his draft, but things kind of fell together for him really well.
90:17So, you know, hey, it sort of worked out in the end.
90:21I think it's a good team. Yeah. It did work out.
90:24Yeah. You know, I'm passing Jeremiah Love there. I like the talent, but I don't like the situation.
90:31I think I would have taken a wide receiver there as my number three because I'm still high on Jameson and DJ Moore there.
90:39So you could take them, you could take a shot on burden, you know, add some more risk.
90:45But I think I would have liked that. And then you come back with Swift as your RB2 and then you got Tyson as your wide receiver four.
90:54But it's all, listen, it's all preference, you know?
90:57Well, you say that, Nelson, because the fourth round there, it's a drop off at receiver.
91:03You put a receiver where you put Love and you still get Swift as your 2 to Barkley.
91:09Now you have three good wide receivers before a cliff comes.
91:13It just changes the whole dynamic. Now, Jeremiah Love might be all world this year.
91:18It might be a superstar and then this was the right pick.
91:22But in terms of the build, you're still getting a solid running back, 2, in the fifth round there.
91:29No matter who it is, you know, the cliff does not end there.
91:33So getting good running backs into the sixth round and sometimes even the seventh.
91:38So, you know, that's why I'm inclined to get the third receiver there.
91:42I mean, I'll do team five. I think they started out, you know, I love to start the three wide.
91:49I just don't see going four running backs there.
91:52I think that was just too much. You need wide receivers.
91:56I like Coker, but I want to have a wide receiver for, you know, probably in that sixth round or at least at that seventh round.
92:05You know, I probably would have taken Brooks in the sixth and, you know, I could take the receiver in the seventh.
92:12That's the way I would have looked at it.
92:15He probably this was the one team that stood out to me where I was like, and that's just because I mean, listen, he takes two upside picks.
92:25Price and Brooks, right? Could be two home run picks to break out running backs this year.
92:31And maybe he goes into that price pick loving price and saying, oh, price is going to be my flex player on
92:38a weekly basis and then comes back around and Brooks is still on the board.
92:43He says, holy shit, if price doesn't work out, at least I have Brooks to be the lottery ticket type pick.
92:50But when you look back at it, if, you know, obviously you don't know that you're going to get Brooks there in
92:58the seventh, you know, you replace a Brian Thomas where you took Jadarian Price or a DK Metcalf as the fourth wide receiver.
93:06Now you feel a lot better about your team with that fourth wide receiver on your roster in case something happens to the first three.
93:14You got to remember, you're going to play three weeks a year without one of those three guys, JSN, Neighbors or Wilson.
93:22And that's if everything goes perfectly, right? And there's no injuries or anything.
93:26That's why we take the fourth wide receiver because it makes us sleep a little better at night when the bye weeks happen and when injuries happen.
93:35At least we have something to move up and into the lineup.
93:40So, you know. My biggest argument again was I just would have taken Brooks, but that's a preference thing.
93:46And I would not have gone four running backs regardless.
93:49I think that's just asking too much. For all the points you made, Chris.
93:54Yeah. And he got Ferguson, so he's already, you know, done.
93:58Dan, you're a little slow to react to that joke, I think.
94:02Yeah. Sorry. All right. I'm walking here. Just checking in on you, Dan.
94:06That's all. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I mean, that killed the team right there, really.
94:11Yeah. Let's be honest. That's where I was going with the joke, Dan.
94:16Yes. Thank you. Team six. Team six. I don't know.
94:19I guess it's my turn. Amon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
94:22Yeah. Listen, as Matt says, what is this? The rainbow draft, Matt, in the beginning?
94:27Yes. Besides the tight end. Listen, I can't argue.
94:30You know, not much sticks out to me here.
94:33I should have probably reviewed it a little sooner, but I think he's in trouble.
94:39Chuba Hubbard has his two down the stretch, but that's the price you pay for the elite quarterback and Josh Allen.
94:46So, anybody. Yeah. I mean, yes, he does have Dobbins, but he's going to be making that decision every week.
94:53Chuba Hubbard, J.K. Dobbins, it's the same type of running back play, you know?
94:57The veteran guy that you stick in there and hope he gets 14 carries for 80 yards and pray he falls into
95:05the end zone on a weekly basis. So, there's not much of a difference.
95:10He just seems too light on running back for me.
95:13I mean, you know, he's got four tight ends.
95:16I don't really understand why you're taking all those tight ends when you only got four running backs.
95:22Yeah. I just couldn't take Court and Sutton over Brian Thomas.
95:26Even if Brian Thomas winds up being a dud, I'm taking that, you know, the youth, what Thomas did just to, you know, one year removed.
95:35So, I just. Yeah. Yeah. Pat Bryant coming on.
95:38No need for. No. The glaring thing. There's no need to draft Bo Nix there.
95:4311th round Bo Nix. When you're the Josh Allen owner, you know, you got to put another receiver or running back on your roster right there.
95:52Especially when you built your wide receiver room. When he could have had Coleman.
95:57Yeah. To back up Thomas. I mean, I'm sure he was looking at a, hey, I'm going to pair him up with Courtland Sutton.
96:05But if Sutton was a mistake, then Nix is a compounding of that mistake.
96:10Yeah. Well, yeah. But I think the Coleman pick.
96:13If you put Coleman where Nix is and at least you've got Dobbins Coleman, it makes it better.
96:19Right. Yeah. Yeah. This is, it's probably Spiteri. Was Spiteri in this group?
96:23Broncos defense. Bo Nix. No. J.K. Dobbins. Courtland Sutton.
96:26Holy shit. This is, this is, this is Spiteri.
96:29He's got. It might be. It might be. He's got Troy Franklin.
96:33Wait. He's got Evan Ingram. Holy shit. It's Spiteri's team.
96:37Okay. Yep. I didn't want to out him, but I think that, I think it's pretty obvious.
96:43That's what it is. Oh, man. That's funny. All right.
96:46Team seven. No Cam Ward, though, on the team.
96:49He got beaten to the punch in round 14, I guess.
96:53Or no. Sorry. Other way around. Got beaten to the punch in round 13.
96:58All right. Who's next with the Gentie team? I'll do it.
97:01Go for it. You know, Gentie Bowers. I love both players.
97:05I'm just a little hesitant taking both on my same team.
97:09You know, because if it does go, if it does go south.
97:13But again, I love both. He got the three receivers.
97:16I mean, the build itself. You know, as well.
97:20You know, Jared Goff. Nelson said it last week.
97:23He puts up numbers every year. I personally would rather have Goff as my second quarterback.
97:28That would be my thing. But if you're comfortable with Goff as your one and Ward as your backup, or I'd at
97:36least want a better backup than Cam Ward if I'm going with Goff as my one.
97:41Let me say that. So, otherwise, you know, that's really my – as far as the build goes.
97:47You know, which is tight. You know, he's got the elite tight end.
97:52So, I mean, maybe the players aren't some of my favorites.
97:55A couple of guys, you know, earlier on at the receiver position at the 4-5.
98:00But that's just preference. That's the build I think he accomplished.
98:04All right. Team 8, the Boomer build. Got McCaffrey and Derrick Henry both on the same team.
98:10I mean, this team is old. Devontae Adams. We got Kittle in there.
98:14We got Andrews. Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen. Yeah. So, we're reaching for familiar names here, it appears.
98:20But, yeah, I just – to me, it's so hard to start off with three running backs in this kind of room
98:28and then come out with a good team. I mean, I think he did a decent job on, you know, getting his three wide receivers.
98:36I think Brian Thomas was kind of a gift.
98:39Probably shouldn't have fallen that far. But, you know, he ended up with three solid receivers there.
98:45But it's, you know, I don't know. It's an okay team, but I don't love it.
98:51Build-wise for a three running back start, I don't have any problem with it.
98:55I mean, he got five wide receivers after that in the top nine rounds.
99:00So, and he's not – and he only needs three of them each week, you know.
99:06Right. Yeah, my biggest thing was, like, instead of Warren, I'm taking Golden or Wondell there.
99:11I just spent my first three picks on running backs.
99:14So, those guys better, you know – those guys – I ain't taking a running back until double-digit rounds.
99:21Yeah, you got to take a receiver there. Yeah.
99:24Yep. Totally agree with that. Nelson, are you on next for the Jefferson team?
99:29Sure. I feel like he took on some risk.
99:32You got, you know, Rice, Dunze, you know, he's obviously going to get moved up because of the burden news.
99:39You've got DK Metcalf, and, like, I'm not a fan of his this year.
99:43You got Alec Pierce, who's injured. So, I feel like you got a couple of, like, injured guys.
99:50And then, I don't know, Aaron Jones, Woody Marks, Pacheco are just kind of boring to me.
99:55Jennings is boring. And then he punted, basically, tight end.
99:59And with that wide receiver room in Jacksonville, I just don't see, like, how strange is going to be a guy that
100:06you want to start every week as you're starting tight end.
100:10That's just my opinion. So, you know, there's some good things about it.
100:14Like, I – but it's not my preferred team.
100:18I just don't – I don't like a lot of the players on it.
100:22Gotcha. Mm-hmm. All right. Team 10, who's up? I'll do it.
100:26I'll jump in here real quick. You know, Lamb Taylor starts solid.
100:30I like the start – I mean, I'm not a Jacobs guy, but fifth round, you know.
100:36What I really like about this team here is where he nailed these three receivers and downs, digs, Addison, you know, from that perspective.
100:44He knew what he had to do there and get those three receivers because this is the toughest build to pull off, right?
100:52The elite quarterback and the elite tight end. And he did it as well as he could.
100:58You know, he had two monster receivers. He's got JT, monster bell cow, gets Jacobs.
101:03I mean, I know a lot of people are fading Jacobs and everything, but if he's back at the end of the
101:10summer, he's still a guy that's going to touch the ball 20 times as your RB2.
101:16Elite quarterback. And then he hits the wide receiver position.
101:19So, he put it together pretty well for, you know, rolling the dice.
101:24He put himself behind the 8-ball with taking the Lovell and Lamar Jackson combo, but it still worked out.
101:30Yeah, he used the shovel and dug himself out pretty good.
101:34I like that. Yep. All right. Team 11, I think we've already agreed is the right here, so we'll just – No, no, no.
101:42You guys didn't grade me. I want to hear a grade because, listen, this is not my best work.
101:49It's not my preferred, my favorite team. So, I am curious.
101:52This is your opportunity to shit on my team.
101:55Yeah. The only shipment over downs was the – Yeah, Nelson, don't worry.
102:00I have no problem shitting on it. I know.
102:03I know. Go ahead. The floor is yours, Chris.
102:06Well, apparently Matt might piss on it, so. Matt's going to piss on it.
102:11I'm going to shit on it. Yeah, listen. Just because of what happened to you with Carnell Tate and everything, I mean,
102:18I think you did everything right after the Carnell Tate pick with Scadaboo and then Drake May.
102:24I just – with Pittman, Higgins, and Stripling as your 3-4-5, I just think you're going to have a tough time winning this league.
102:32I'll leave it at that. I mean, the players-wise, I like.
102:36The one thing I'm surprised that you did was go with Tyler Shuck in the 11th – 13th.
102:4213th? Oh, 13th round. All right. I guess I can't say much about that.
102:47Yeah. No issues. No issues. Just – I'll leave her.
102:50I just don't love it, Nelson. Yeah. I think if you're going to start two running backs in the back end, those
102:58are probably the right ones to start with. I mean, Cook and Brown, if they are both more involved in the passing game, that could be massive.
103:07All right. Yeah, I mean, for me – Nelson, is it safe to say that you got Chase Brown now as a
103:15top five running back in your rankings with this, or you just wanted to diversify a little bit?
103:21No. I've got – Basically, right after Bijan, I've got James Cook and then Chase Brown.
103:26Yeah. So, okay. Gotcha. I'm taking them over McCaffrey and Jenty.
103:30Well, and Taylor. McCaffrey, Taylor. Taylor and Jenty. Yeah.
103:33Yeah. Okay, yeah. All right. Team 12. We'll let Matt do this one.
103:37Matt did all of them already. Matt got the most urgency, so he'll get us out of here.
103:44Yeah, Matt. Okay. Three-wall. Let's see. Yeah, no, I like this.
103:47You get Herbert, LaPorter. See, that's the beauty of what the drafts are allowing you to get four wide.
103:54You got two solid running backs, you know, and, you know, elite quarterbacks.
103:58This is going to be the preferred. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
104:01You got it. This is what you're going to see most people draft like.
104:06Right, Matt? I agree. Yep. You know? Right wide receivers.
104:10Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was a great start.
104:13When you can go London, A.J. Brown, Olave, right, the value at the 4-5 turn is running back.
104:19Yeah. Not receiver. Not receiver. So, again, you know, you don't know if those are going to be the receivers that hit,
104:26you know, to win an overall title. But as far as preference, yeah, that's my preferred build.
104:32Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what you're going to see a lot of people do is three wide.
104:38The running backs in the fourth, fifth, sixth round mix it up.
104:42There's a lot of names, a lot of solid backs that have control of their backfield there.
104:48And then come right back and you wait on quarterback and tight end and you hit them in the eighth, ninth, tenth rounds.
104:56And you still get two really good ones for a combination.
105:00So, nailed it. Love it. All right, gentlemen. Take this out, Darren.
105:04I think we're there. We've been at it for an hour and 45 minutes.
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105:33So, we're looking forward to that. We'll be back at it.
105:37What time is that? Two o'clock Eastern, Chris? Is that where we're at?
105:41No. I'm sorry. Thursday. This Thursday is 10 o'clock at night.
105:45The 10 p.m. 10 o'clock at night. O-L-C. Yeah.
105:48All right. Sounds good. So, we'll... And there are still openings, yes?
105:52Yes. Okay. All right. Well, we will see you then and there.
105:56And until that, we are out of here.