0:00I don't know but we have an edit button if it is and if it's not I'm not doing my job well
0:07just glad to be back in a small gap I was wondering if one of you is gonna hit on that there's
0:14no way that was gonna fly yeah I mean couple gorillas like us yeah the listeners would be so mad at me
0:21if I did not address that so go ahead I mean you know continue the show I'm glad you're sitting and I
0:28really hope you're not wearing jeans right now buddy loose loose loose pants Eli Raradon oh Vince McMahon gasming gif yeah right
0:35now in between two guys how big is the gap it's a small gap it's a small it's a tiny gap just
0:42like like one inch gap you know so it's like for guys like us it's like perfect everything sights and sounds and
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1:24our last two episodes and it's been great to have two episodes in such short order because get to hang out with
1:31the boys the wise man Jax Falcone how are you buddy we're back in the swing just glad to be back in
1:38a small gap I was wondering if one of you was going to hit on that there's no way that was gonna
1:46fly yeah yeah I mean no time couple gorillas like us the listeners would be so mad at me if I did
1:53not address that so go ahead I mean you know continue the show please the boys are clearly on their a-game tonight
2:00and uh of course we have joe quavius kuba talk is chilling with us how you doing my man oh man I'm
2:07fantastic august is back news is flying everywhere people are making stupid stupid decisions coming to stupid conclusions based on limited information
2:14you know I think my advice to most people is just like don't overreact to everything but at the same time I
2:21am the one refreshing twitter constantly right now just trying to figure out what's going on I need to know I need
2:28to know what's happening I need to know everything about training camp I need to hear people's opinions I just like I
2:35love it I love it so much and then today one of the worst things possible could that could happen to me
2:42happened um I got a new phone recently and as a result I got a new phone case I decided to do
2:49one of those wallet cases right but it's like a little bulky it's too bulky it's kind of like annoying in my
2:56pocket and so when I'm at work I take it out of my pocket and I just leave it on my desk
3:03uh nature called I ran to the bathroom number two had to go and uh I realized as I sat down once
3:10the ship had already sailed no I didn't have my phone I didn't have my phone like one of the like true
3:17joys in life is just mainlining information while you're sitting on the john you know seeing what happened on twitter in the
3:24last 15 minutes since the last time you checked and uh you know I didn't have that it was just a small
3:31gap uh but it was you know loomed large so yeah I don't wish that like that's like going to the gym
3:38without your headphones like that's like the equivalent it's just like you go to this gym you for you realize you forgot
3:45your headphones it's like you almost want to just not work out you might want to go home at that point right
3:52see see let me just tell you something joe trav and I as experienced parents know full well what the value of
3:59an internet poop and that's what we call it in the house it's an internet but you know my wife a little
4:06bit like were you doing an internet poop which basically is hardly a poop at all I mean there may or may
4:13not be poop but there's definitely the internet you've got the door locked you you're spraying in there for whatever reason but
4:20you are in there on your device and so therefore yeah you missed it you missed a golden opportunity golden opportunity uh
4:27you know uh I I saw something on the internet recently where it was just talking about like somebody made fun of
4:34somebody with some macho thing where it's like you probably sit while you pee and then like somebody posted something about like
4:41actually there are studies and like the percentage of men that sit while they pee has increased drastically I'm like well yeah
4:48obviously obviously I know what they're doing yeah they're on their phones yeah you rock a quick pee and you spend the
4:55next 10 minutes scrolling that's exactly what you do yeah no that's uh that's a nightgrain staple yeah exactly I find great
5:03value in the sitting pee when I can barely stand up for whatever reason that may be you know but I'm not
5:10gonna just saunter into my bathroom at 3 30 a.m if I have to go and like just you know shower my
5:17uh you know my uh my bathroom I'm gonna I'm gonna have a controlled setting I'm gonna sit down I'm gonna get
5:24everything in there for sure and relax for a minute you know what I mean like yeah no no just get some
5:31blue light ruin the rest of your REM sleep yeah absolutely yeah nothing 30 yeah nothing better than tinker stinker time for
5:38sure and actually um speaking of boys we're in the draft streets right now I have to give a big shout out
5:45the second listener league has started gorilla pineapple we are three picks into the fifth round um and it's going well boys
5:52how are you feeling about it I actually hate it I I think we should never do an august startup again I
5:59think July is the cutoff for a startup because once august rolls around there's too much information flying and honestly like people
6:06are incentivized to take all the time on the clock because you know injuries happen every day it's like you know you
6:13might as well just sit around and wait and see what happens um and then there are some people that like went
6:20early and I bet they wish they didn't because you get these nuggets that probably would have changed decisions so I just
6:27think it's a bad time to do it I think no doubt I think this is redraft season and doing a startup
6:34was like you know just completely cursed right now in fairness though this was not when we started the startup we started
6:41it like two months ago and then like procrastinated you went on vacation I went on vacation this that the other like
6:48it's been a thing that we announced like when do we announce it on this I wanted to do it in May
6:55I was talking about this in late May this is a procrastination issue I think the announcement was like probably about a
7:02month and a half ago about a month early June it was right after the trip where I wore the pineapple shirt
7:09that's right that's right okay yeah so we'll be better we'll be better yeah we're uh we were just living life and
7:16touching grass you know so it's good but like I said we're back in the swing and Jax you're actually on the
7:23clock in that league I am on the clock I am on the OTC yeah I am OTC I am OTC well
7:30we well we are kind of OTC but we're buddies um so so Joe care to tell the people what you've done
7:37thus far and you're in your you know you guys can each quickly share what you've done I think it's for the
7:44listener you know sure yeah the thought process I gotta pull it up real quick I mean it's been hard it's been
7:51hard to get trades done and I was I was the last person to pick my draft slot so I got stuck
7:58with the 105 which you know the 105 is fine but what happens in the second round is you're kind of in
8:05no man's land because all the quarterbacks and receivers and running backs that you want are gobbled up by then and now
8:12you're just at the beginning of a tier um and I desperate desperately tried and I couldn't get out of that pick
8:20so anyway nobody wants it yeah yeah nobody wants it because you know you if you're at the 302 303 it's the
8:27same tier you're getting the same quality of player so that's what sucks um so anyways I got this is a pretty
8:34pretty high tight end premium um 0.75 on top of the half point per reception so it's significant um so I got
8:41Bowers in the first round at 105 which I feel great about this is a start 12 by the way right uh
8:48start 11 start 11 excuse me 12 by 11 then I got Justin Jefferson at that second round pick that I was
8:55talking about that I was trying to trade out of and of course like I was debating between him and CD lamb
9:02and a couple of other players and sure enough CD lamb somehow fell to like the 3.03 which is exactly what I'm
9:09talking about and why I was trying to get out of that pick uh and then in the third round let's see
9:16here I think I traded out of that no no third round Tyler Warren had fell to me which was ridiculous in
9:23this format given the scoring settings because I can flex him he's very you know elite tight end is a very flex
9:30worthy player so I was like great I get to play keep away at the tight end position and I can plug
9:37him to the flex and I've got insurance in case Bauer goes down to keep that positional advantage so I just pulled
9:44the trigger on Tyler Warren and then in the fourth round I did a tiny little trade back I moved back the
9:51few spots uh got Ladd McConkie there and I moved up in a couple of other rounds for that trade back so
9:58that's what I'm sitting on right now who did you trade away who who was picked the moment you traded the pick
10:05away oh well in the fourth round I traded back you're probably not going to believe me but I traded back three
10:12spots and the dude that I traded with a listener uh he immediately drafted Luther Burden which everybody knows is one of
10:19my guys and like the chat exploded like oh oh I'm gonna be honest with you guys I was never gonna draft
10:26with the burden because I have so I've got like 50% Luther Burden I can't it's irresponsible to draft more Luther Burden
10:33so I was comfortable moving back and I wanted more lad exposure because I traded a couple lad shares away so I
10:40like wanted more lad exposure again yeah that's where I'm at nice team my team I was at the 107 um and
10:47I took JSN this is a third round reversal too and uh by the time I was able to select the pick
10:54that I wanted seven was the latest in the first round that I could get so I went with that uh JSN
11:01Jax I was really worried you were gonna snipe me in that second round with that tight end premium at 206 I
11:08went Colston Loveland I think to your point about Warren Joe like these elite tight ends are gonna score as good as
11:15all but like two wide receivers if not as good as those top couple wide receivers right so those guys are important
11:22to get and of course Loveland is one of my guys I actually think this draft is very on brand for me
11:29came back at 306 and the quarterbacks were flying um I had Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes on the board and I
11:36went for Jalen Hurts because he's a couple years younger and having JSN Loveland is kind of a young core so I
11:44figured I'd take the two years of discount um and the fact that I think there might be some upside on Jalen
11:51Hurts with some more passing and then at 407 I wanted to get one of the running backs they were fading the
11:58tier was like pretty much gone um so I went for my boy Quinn Sean because I think he has real like
12:05RV1 upside um and now I can just keep filling out and I have some positional versatility being that I stretched it
12:12out a little bit so I'm pretty happy with it it's very on brand I would like to see some trade action
12:19happening uh but Joe the market in this draft was set very early and it was set very affordable um so when
12:26you came calling for uh to move back or no to move me back to the 208 I think or no you
12:33were trying to move back from the 109 maybe I think I was trying to jump up to your 10 that's right
12:40and I wasn't our boy Keegan messed up the market from the onset and so I was like well I can't pay
12:47more than that because he paid just some laughably low price for the 102 and then Trav came asking for something higher
12:54than what the 102 went for and I explained to him and showed him I was like hey I can't pay more
13:01than that here's what I'm willing to pay and uh he wasn't willing to sell so yeah no thanks a lot Keegan
13:08I also you at Jax I also got the great DM when I was trying to trade um hey man I listen
13:15to every show can't do it you know it's like yeah gotcha so in other words someone was like I know what
13:22you're doing I literally listen to you I can't be on the other side and so when you're in leagues where you
13:29know the old trade back thing and you know everybody's trying to do that so I'm not gonna pay to move up
13:36but I'm also not going to you know just sit there and wait and not move back and it's just too it
13:43was just too hard so I stick stuck and picked you know I did not trade really at all I don't think
13:50I've made a trade yet which is fine you know um it's not our game but everybody knows our game in this
13:57draft so it's it's different yeah there's nobody swinging from the hips going let me move you know there's just none of
14:04that it's all very like like us you know which is like you know it's it's it's a hard it's hard it's
14:11hard to play in listener leagues because there's so much homogeny you know I like to play in leagues where there's like
14:18all sorts of different types of people you know um you know but it's okay it's fun as hell you know uh
14:25all that to say uh I started um with the 109 uh again it was third round reversal so you try to
14:32get to the back that was the latest pick I could get um you know Jamar I mean uh Jameer Gibbs, Bijon,
14:39Jamar Chase, Bowers, JSN all off the board and I'm sitting there and I tank all the time I'm tanking right now
14:46I'm on the clock as we speak but I tanked with the decision of Malik Nabors versus Puka Nakua Puka Nakua certainly
14:53the person that I should be drafting there at the 109 I've got a ton of Puka Puka is probably one of
15:01my most rostered players and I thought to myself if Malik Nabors is healthy by week five and like just doing Malik
15:08Nabors types things I think he's the wide receiver one in Dynasty and so I can't be like well what if he's
15:15hurt well what if he's hurt then you're screwed all the way around so you have to just assume that he's going
15:22to be okay and he's going to be fine and he's 22 years old 23 whatever you just turned and you've got
15:29the youngest most elite wide receiver so I went Malik Nabors in the first round running backs are fairly uh valuable in
15:36this format the way that real quick real quick I I almost took Malik at 105 I was my debate was between
15:43Bowers and Malik yeah um so but given the format I was like you know what I have tons of Malik and
15:50not as much Bowers as I want so that's why I went Bowers given the additional tight end premium here so you
15:57were taking him at wide receiver two as well basically as well I mean JSN it was in the conversation all those
16:04players I I I don't know if I would have had JSN available to me if I'd have taken him over it's
16:11a very difficult choice um but yeah Malik Nabors has to be considered right up there it swung around the the the
16:18bend and there was no other running backs taken just Gibbs and Bijan and I'm at the 204 and yeah I was just in front of you Mr.
16:27Trav but I decided Jeremiah Love at this price is as cheap as you're ever going to find a Jeremiah Love share
16:34especially in a very running back friendly draft it felt like stealing so I start Malik Nabors Jeremiah Love it came all
16:41the way back around and we've talked about this like we were Drake May last year I am team Jackson Dart going
16:48forward Dart falls all the way to me in the 309 so I can you know stack them up uh go around
16:55the horn and the tight end four is available there for me which is great I get Harold Fannin um I think
17:02there's a little bit more risk to Fannin than there is to the other three that you've already drafted you know the
17:09Bowers Loveland and Warren but you know we basically stack up the the first four tight ends in the super tight and
17:16premium league felt pretty good um and now I'm back on the clock I'm back on the clock what do you get
17:23what do you got Joe well and you're right in front of me because I traded and I moved up my trade
17:30to get back to lad in the fourth moved me up in this round so now I'm right behind you I knew
17:37that was going to be a problem and I knew I was going to be annoyed by it so just go ahead
17:44and just go ahead and just drop it on me all right rip it buddy there are there's a there's a there's
17:51a few players and I because you guys pick next and because this is going on in the airwaves I don't want
17:58there to be any table talk so I'm hesitant to just give up the thought process here so I have to be
18:05careful um I have to be careful on a number of levels I will say there's an immense amount of strategy to
18:12this league I will say that there are values but I am going to pick and when I pick I'm going to
18:19do so silently without telling you I pick and I'm going to let Joe and Trav be the guys that react as
18:26I go ahead and pick I was not expecting that at all I know okay okay so uh Mr.
18:33Falcone has taken one Mr. Cam Scadaboo oh it hadn't refreshed for me so thank you I mean I don't know if
18:40like um let's just say I had the time to react in the league chat I think I'd be making fun of
18:47you that was a little early bro that was a little early bro I mean I get the so just there is
18:54there is a there's a premium on first downs it's 0.25 per first down right so you've got that going in your
19:01favor which makes running backs a little bit more advantageous plus you only have to start two wide receivers correct yeah yeah
19:08running backs outscore wide receivers in the format that being said also I have to ask you a question here because weren't you Mr.
19:15like Cam Scadaboo is in your top 12 or something like that running backs or some yeah I'm super high on Cam
19:22Scadaboo I thought I thought he was like super and I didn't check your this was a me decision I didn't pick
19:29him because of you it's a really difficult decision there's a couple of players and if you guys pick actually if you
19:36guys both pick I'll be more than happy to continue to discuss some of the thought process that went into that pick
19:44if you don't it's fine either way I'm just a little bit surprised that you went running back there and I guess
19:51the reason is because it's just not how we typically build our dynasty teams right we tend to fill all those flex
19:58spots with wide receivers first and worry about fixing running back later now I will say yep this is true talk this
20:05is table talk but it's okay it's more strategy talk there is an element to the fact that we're doing this startup
20:12so late in the season in the offseason where there's not going to be enough time to fix the running back position
20:19before the season starts right by the time we get this thing done it's going to be like you know week one
20:26is going to be right there so I have felt a little bit of pressure to take a running back because of
20:33that uh that being said I don't think I'm going to do that here there is another player that I mean there's
20:40a couple players that I was very very close to drafting so it'll be interesting yeah um I don't know I don't
20:47think I really want to do this on the spot it's right now I'm between two guys I'm between two guys and
20:54I don't think I'm ready to do this okay let's just let's just save it then how big is it into the
21:01show how big is it a small gap it's a small it's a tiny gap just like like one inch gap you
21:08know so just like for guys like us it's like everything well I've got the full New York Giants stack that's right
21:15yeah neighbors dart and hopefully they're good yep imagine a situation I think you got a naggy problem on your hands get
21:22it nagging nagging yeah it was bad joke but that's okay you can't you're not gonna hit them all I do this
21:29all the time I make thousands of bad jokes but thousands of good ones yeah hopefully Cam Scadabo doesn't have anything nagging
21:36him either um but boys I'm gonna get us into the show sheet here I'm gonna get us if and when you
21:43guys ever pick I'd be more than happy to share some strategy as to what I was thinking there maybe before the
21:50show's over maybe we'll see we'll see how we're feeling yep we're getting into this boys because we have a bunch a
21:57bunch of hype that we're hearing around training camps and we got to talk about it some of it is are we
22:04buying the hype some of it is what do we think of the player the situation and so let's dive in boys
22:11because just today we're recording this on the 11th which is Tuesday Kyler Murray was named the starting quarterback for the Minnesota
22:18Vikings Jax I've been like the biggest kind of detractor I would say maybe of Kyler Murray there's a bit of a
22:25leaf being turned there's a bit of a leaf being turned especially in for the 2026 well I'm not ready to say
22:32that yet so let's not go that far buddy it's gonna take a lot for that one to come out but we're
22:39getting closer to that because Kyler Murray now being the cemented starter this is such a good situation and we've talked about
22:46that right and it's it's kind of getting harder to poke holes because Kyler Murray does have some of that rushing upside
22:53we like the Kevin O'Connell offense I was thinking about it earlier today and like it's hard to think of like the
23:01the alpha receivers that he's supported goes back to like DeAndre Hopkins the the thing that I like translating that into his
23:08Minnesota time is that he went through a period of kind of shitty play callers when he had Hopkins he had Cliff
23:15Kingsbury who is another innovative play caller that we like to attach to and now when we see LaFleur or when we
23:22see Kevin O'Connell sorry I'm thinking Cardinals for some reason yeah when we see Kevin O'Connell and one of the favorite schemes
23:29of all time for us I'm happy about Kyler Murray especially for 2026 and I think where I get happier for Dynasty
23:36is when he starts playing well and starts looking like he's more of the long-term answer for that Kevin O'Connell offense and
23:43so I'm starting to definite I've definitely risen him in my 2026 rankings and I'm going to take another look at those
23:50Dynasty rankings boys so what are the thoughts for you guys you've been a little bit higher on Kyler in the past
23:57so does this make you higher or does this more just make you a little bit more staunch in your stance so
24:04I gotta I gotta I gotta spill the beans here so my son is 10 he's just old enough to know you
24:11know when he was eight or whatever that I was pro JJ McCarthy and so he is dying he go he was
24:18like oh you're doing underground tonight he goes he basically wants to show bomb like bomb the show and come in and
24:25just nine me that's real nining someone is a thing now yes especially me like me because he's like you're a fucking
24:32idiot like we you know because even when I was like JJ was like he's like eight he's like of course not
24:39you know and I'm like so the the dumbest guy ever you know me uh but yeah it's gonna be great so
24:46tune in for that when you know little Jax Falcone comes in here and just you know puts the puts the L
24:53on his uh you know his forehead and and just you know does the nine dance on me I mean if he
25:00was off JJ McCarthy I think you might need to get Wally pipped on this show Jax but it's not by Jacob
25:07it might be by your own kid you've produced his show before you know how good he is um listen this is
25:14this is one of those situations where I'm terrified because it can all go different very quickly for all parties you know
25:21it could be you know it could be that Kyler crashes and burns in so far as they don't win you know
25:28that's the you know in other words he's he's one of those guys I said it last year guys I said the
25:35reason I like Kyler was if he plays he's usually pretty good with fantasy now he somehow failed on all accounts last
25:42year which was really kind of depressing but the point of the matter is is that like if he's playing in this
25:49offense yeah it should be very good for fantasy but again for how long he's on a one-year deal for no money
25:56he's gonna have to play his way into a contract and if he doesn't what's next for Kyler Murray right like it
26:03it's a it's a very fragile dynasty asset because there's also a huge uh quarterback class coming in next year we've talked
26:10about this so there's only going to be so many musical chairs available uh at the end of this um all that
26:18to say that you know that's where I'm I'm concerned you know that's where I'm concerned so I don't know how deep
26:25in the weeds you guys got in this quarterback competition I think when Kyler signed everybody thought it was a foregone conclusion
26:32that he was going to be the starter and you know as we sit here today when the news was announced it
26:39seems very much like it was a foregone conclusion but in the time in between they said there's going to be a
26:46competition right not a preseason game has been played there was no competition correct and I saw some people just saying stuff
26:53on twitter like oh well oh how bad must JJ McCarthy have been for there to be no competition I'm also thinking
27:00back to last season where we knew Kyler was healthy enough to play but he just totally tucked his tail between his
27:07legs and said hey if you guys are even starting to say you want to start Jacoby Brissett over me I'm not
27:14coming back right like he didn't get official word but it was very clear that I'm gonna be candid he bitched out
27:21of last season right and we said it in real time we made fun of it in real time we also spent
27:28all of last offseason saying how um Marvin Harrison had a Kyler Murray problem right so fast forward to the you know
27:35nine days of competition uh in this QB battle before a uh before a preseason game was ever played if you're following
27:42the beat reporters they were actually saying JJ McCarthy was winning now I'm not I'm not homering on JJ McCarthy right now
27:49we saw what that looked like and it wasn't good they had some promise he won some games but it wasn't good
27:56but they're saying that he was actually winning in the count was that like he won and there was like a couple
28:03practices where Kyler was way better but uh if you took it like day by day consistency like JJ was winning I
28:10was keeping very close tabs on this because I thought one of these two was going to be super mispriced and I
28:17need to be able to capitalize on it um this is all to say I think Kyler is when he plays because
28:24of the rushing uh top 12 dynasty or fantasy quarterback right he's just going to put up numbers like that no matter
28:31what win or lose he's going to put up numbers like that but if he's the same dude we saw the last
28:38couple of years in Arizona which by the way you know missed a lot of time correct I don't think he's going
28:45to hold on to this job for very long to Jax's fragility point yep uh and then I'm also thinking about this
28:52from like the Vikings front office standpoint there was probably to get Kyler to come a nod and a handshake like yeah
28:59bro you're going to be the starter right right they also couldn't throw JJ McCarthy out there have him fail again and
29:06then go to Kyler Murray who they've already pissed off right they actually have to do it in this order they have
29:13to start Kyler Murray first yes they have to let him fail and then give the chance that the dude that they
29:20drafted in what like the 13th overall pick 14th overall pick uh could come in and be the savior and if neither
29:27of them work out then they're just drafting another quarterback probably next offseason correct um so I think like from a game
29:34theory standpoint they had to play it this way yes uh I think Kyler has been very injury prone and we probably
29:42haven't seen the last of JJ McCarthy and I don't think JJ McCarthy is very good but I don't think like this
29:49is a ringing endorsement of Kyler because aside from you know what the national narrative and uh you know public perception is
29:56the boots on the ground were actually saying this was a pretty close competition it's kind of ridiculous that it was called
30:03before preseason game was played so this is like head coach GM ownership front office organization politics going on as part of
30:10the deal to get Kyler over there probably because the team was so sick of JJ that there would have been a
30:17mutiny if they didn't do something um sorry for the super long-winded answer it's a good it's a good answer but I've
30:24been paying very close attention to it and I just smell so much bullshit and like look I want Kyler to be
30:31good I think ko sees an incredible coach that can coach these quarterbacks up but oh man am I taking it with
30:38a grain of salt I don't believe the results of this I think it was rigged from beginning it's a ring and
30:45I and I also don't think Kyler I don't I mean we we said less offseason like my priors I'm sticking to
30:52my priors Kyler hasn't been good for a long time in real life in real life in fantasy he's great go ahead
30:59freaking smoke him if you got him play him if you got him right if Kyler's on your team put him in
31:06your lineup and hope for the best but I mean I'd be very willing to sell and listening to all offers on
31:13Kyler at any point between now and you know when he eventually gets hurt or gets benched no it's a good take
31:20and it dovetails off minds I appreciate it no it's good and and and does that mean now that we should be
31:27considering nine to rebuy I mean it's cheap I mean he's gonna get another chance I mean we've just seen so many
31:34of these guys resurface it's gonna be Darnold etc you know I mean you know so many yeah yeah all these guys
31:41yeah you're probably you're probably right it's gonna be pretty league specific though because I think like they're still truthers there's still
31:48people who have him on his team on the team and they're not gonna sell them for 25 cents on the dollar
31:55so I think it would be very league specific on that but yeah I mean as like a little throw in on
32:02a trade from a team who has from a team who has four that's from a team who has four of them
32:09you know what I mean then you get him in there because that guy could spare him for sure it's 100 these
32:16these are this is so important that you mention that because both of us were like Joe and I were like yes
32:23yes yes so many of these things are are just you just have to include him in the trade because if you
32:30just ask for JJ and be like yeah I'll give you a fourth nobody's gonna be like oh of course let me
32:37just sell light on JJ for no apparent reason especially in these deep dynasty leagues if you're in an FFPC style well
32:44maybe then it's a totally different you know thing where you got to cut down then I actually wouldn't even recommend going
32:51for him anyway but point of the matter is in a deep league yeah you you know I just did this recently
32:59I was trying I'm trying to acquire Terrence Ferguson which maybe we'll get to maybe we won't but my point is I
33:06love this this this buy because at his current value whatever his KTC or dynasty helper whatever whatever value is on him
33:13right now I think is going to grow so I'm happy to pay whatever the value is so I threw him into
33:20a bigger trade where I'm like this that and the other everything going which way and the other way and the thing
33:27that's one of the shit coming my way is Terrence Ferguson and if the trade is fair I feel like I'm winning
33:34because the Terrence Ferguson thing is worth more to me than it is in the trade aggregate and I would say the
33:41same thing for you know JJ who shouldn't be worth very much at all in the trade aggregate so that's exactly how
33:48you tend to buy these players is exactly the way you mentioned it yeah it's today's price versus tomorrow's value basically is
33:55what you're looking at bottom line is if you're working on a trade with somebody and they've got JJ McCarthy on their
34:02roster planning you're close just throw them in throw them into the deal see if you can get them that way yep
34:09just nine it up a little bit just nine it up okay another another thing that came out today boys Mike McDaniel
34:16announced that there's going to be a backfield split in Los Angeles for the Chargers I think you know we knew there
34:23was going to be some other guys getting carries here and there Joe you mentioned though that you had a pretty good
34:30take on this one so I'm going to flip it to you and let you opine on what your thoughts are about
34:37Mike McDaniel at the podium well Mike McDaniel just like loves I mean listen I like Mike McDaniel but it's clear he
34:44loves attention right like and he's just sitting there just um giving them a hard time he he started it by just
34:51saying is this a fantasy question sounds like a fantasy question I got bad news for fantasy owners right and then he
34:58just proceeded to say how they're going to play the hot hand and they're all going to have roles and it's going
35:05to be matchup specific and depends on who they're playing that weekend all that could be true um and I love Kamani
35:12Vidal I love him love him I think he's a very valuable dynasty asset and I want him on my teams in
35:19case Amari and Hampton gets hurt but make no mistake the more talented players Amari and Hampton and guess who's going to
35:26have the hot hand more often the more talented player all right so it's like Amari and Hampton and I think like
35:33Keaton Mitchell's sneaky because he's like probably the best comp we have to HN except for he's like way more fragile than
35:40HN has been who's been like shockingly durable but like so I think he's going to get scheme plays as one of
35:47the big playmakers because their receivers are not as speedy as what Mike McDaniel had in Miami and so he's going to
35:54be looking for that speed somewhere and Keaton Mitchell's the one that's going to be providing it but don't be stupid don't
36:01fall for this narrative if there's any sort of dip in like the Amari and Hampton value buy the rabbit buy the
36:08dip right don't pay full price but like if you if you get it for 90 cents on the dollar buy it
36:16yep yeah I'm with you I don't think we need to nothing burger yeah yeah yeah don't need to put much more
36:23on that Joe this was a good one that you tossed in there actually as a note the Browns and Dolphins released
36:30their depth charts today and it's not like these are you know fantasy fruitful organizations but there are some players specifically some
36:37rookies that were intrigued by so the Browns listed Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion as starters alongside Jerry Judy and then on
36:44the Dolphins depth chart rookie Caleb Douglas was first above Malik Washington and Jalen Tolbert just in the order that it was
36:51listed on what I saw right so I don't know if that necessarily means anything but some rookies are going to be
36:58making some hay in Cleveland and Miami what are you making let's start with the Miami one actually Joe because we've talked
37:05about Concepcion in Boston we like them a lot and we will get there interest in Caleb Douglas though he wasn't really
37:12necessarily on the rookie radar no he wasn't at all and no I have absolutely no interest in Caleb Douglas we went
37:19over Miami's sort of passing prospects a great deal with uh our awesome guest Jacob Sanderson um sorry Jax he did just
37:26an incredible job filling in on uh but uh I bet you he didn't make one single tight gap joke not one
37:33no he did not he did not you're correct yeah he actually you know speaking of the Browns he gave us like
37:40an all-time nickname for the show in uh McLovin and Muhammad but uh but as far as Miami's concerned it's like the
37:47prospects for this passing game are so low now listen projections are in a sense kind of meaningless because things could change
37:54so quickly right but they tend to bend towards what is actually going to happen I am a bigger um Malik Willis
38:01believer than I think he is and think that he actually can get better and has gotten better and can elevate and
38:08can avoid some sacks and so there's probably somebody who's a value in this Miami passing game but it's not anybody you
38:15want to bet on consistently and like if we're talking about you know they're rookie receivers um there's only one that we're
38:22interested and it sure that sure as hell is not Caleb Douglas right no I agree I mean it's it's it's such
38:29a this is one of those things that who is the answer like who's the wide receiver one in Miami the answer
38:36is nobody right it's just nobody there is no wide receiver one there's there's just gonna be guys who catch balls and
38:43here and there and there's gonna be some spike weeks from this guy or that guy but no no player on that
38:50team is you know gonna command 25 target rate you know it's just not gonna happen in a single game of course
38:57someone's gonna get some targets but over the long haul over the course of time there's just gonna be different guys vying
39:04for playing time because none of the guys are all that good I mean I think if you really you know nerf
39:11gun to the head who's the best wide receiver on this team I'll be Malik Washington yeah and and that's not I'm
39:18not out here stumping for Malik Washington you know because I don't think that any of them are going to be that
39:25guy if there's a player and I think you alluded to it Joe if there's a player who has upside to be
39:32an actual real boy not Pinocchio I'm a real boy I'm a real boy it's probably Chris Bell but yeah it's probably
39:40not Chris Bell you know yeah it's Chris Bell it's also just Devon HN in Miami just you just want to one
39:47HN basically maybe he's peppering a little bit of Greg Dolchess from the Dulcich for my man Joe over there um but
39:54yeah it's HN HN HN HN and HN our boy your fellow Canadian uh Frank Amarante had a great tweet today though
40:01which he said yeah great I want to see what happens with HN when they're uh two and ten right are they
40:08gonna get more targets are they gonna keep throwing them out there or is he gonna get some fake injury when you
40:15need him most right that's like kind of what I'm worried about with HN uh down the stretch maybe maybe yeah that's
40:22a little sketchy it's hard to predict that and like and like draft off of that with the upside of a guy
40:29like HN though right but yeah just so our listeners know I mean Caleb Douglas he wasn't on anybody's radar and if
40:36you look at his statistical profile the way he scored in our model was basically um uh he has very little chance
40:43to even approach like five points per game on a PPR basis you know based on what his profile uh was so
40:50they can list him as a starter they can throw him out there as a starter I think it's gonna be a
40:57very dysfunctional passing game early on and they're gonna rotate through those guys uh until they find dudes that can get over
41:04consistently like it's one thing to look good before a preseason game has been played and it's another thing once the bullets
41:11start flying Chris Bell fell just short of that 70 line right you know he was a 67 which is next to
41:18Concepcion and you know other players Rashad Bateman and you know Traylon Burks and Jaden Reed uh you know players like that
41:25um so he's in that area where it's like hey could be good Josh Downs felt falls in that sort of range
41:32um you know so look man he could be good they are all by the way behind Dejon Stribbling though Stribbling starting
41:39to make things out baby yep my Stribbling just fell out I was doing the show and I felt terrible about it
41:46because I don't have any Stribblings let's just give it away of course Stribblings score is a very nice number yeah nice
41:53so nice real quick note that I saw on that Dolphins depth chart though to monitor Jalen Wright was lifted listed over
42:00Ollie Gordon as the backup yes with that shocking with that shocking durability you mentioned for Devon HN comes you know the
42:07worry that he might get hurt because he does have that smaller body so um those guys as bigger bodies could get
42:14some spell looks potentially throughout the season because the skill position players are so depleted as well as if Devon HN goes
42:21down like those guys are in line for some work for sure Jack's Joe and I talked to Jacob pretty extensively about
42:28the Browns which is where the McLovin versus Muhammad comment came from with the positive reports on Denzel and KC like what
42:35are you thinking well I'm thinking that Joe made such an egregious trade in a $250 Dynasty League buy-in league where he
42:42traded what was it Naylor and Jordan Mason and Mason yep yep or straight up for Denzel Boston it had me so
42:49triggered I was so pissed off I might be you know oh my god I'm in that literally was mad twitter was
42:57mad people were calling me a liar people yeah and then and then I said it was a two you know 250
43:04league or whatever they're like well you know I don't know whatever it's like it is what it is man I mean
43:11you know the the amount of money I will say does not uh make the players better or worse or the decisions
43:18better or worse as a matter of fact yeah no it's just people are people you know um in any event you
43:25know that the guy who made that trade had actually won the league in the past I mean the team is not
43:32good anymore look I'm not you know value judgment on him uh but the fact of the matter is is that that's
43:39the type of stuff that can happen with with you know in this time of year it's crazy because Mason's got a
43:46lot of heat right now people are just talking about what a great fit he is for this new offense and this
43:53guy had Aaron Jones so I'm like hey listen everyone's saying Aaron Jones is washed why don't you go get the actual
44:00starter you need another running back and like that was compelling enough him plus Naylor who's starting on the Raiders like whoa
44:07I can fill a roster spot with Naylor and sure enough like we got this is a deep league too uh deep
44:14starting roster so I mean right Naylor could play it's possible that Naylor plays on a lot of teams in this league
44:21so that doesn't defend the trade it just makes it make sense to the other uh manager which is somehow how Joe
44:28swindled him into this deal but uh I would definitely be paying that price I'll just let you know comfortably paying Jordan
44:35Mason and whatever Naylor uh first name is uh Jalen I know it's I'm trolling but yeah no I'm in on both
44:42these guys I think you know look Denzel Boston does have a better you know model score he's definitely winning the preseason
44:49and look one we said it one of these guys is going to be good one of them might not be both
44:56of them might be good both of them might not be but it's a coin flip on both of them and it's
45:03worth taking a shot um it sounds like if they're gonna play that you're gonna have enough of a runway to get
45:10off them even if you have signal that maybe that's not quite what you signed up for um but yeah I'd be
45:17I'd be all in on making this uh a deal for either one of these guys right now it's actually a super
45:24interesting dichotomy I remember on draft day like day two how upset we all were that like actually day two and day
45:31three throughout the course of draft right you know Jacoby Lane and Elijah Surratt ended up on the same team and then
45:38you got Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion on the same team and these are four guys that scored really well in our
45:45model and what was like a pretty meh very average uh stowers and stowers and lemon yes low pass volume team keeper
45:52and Sadiq yeah I'm talking about particularly particularly about like the wide receiver position it pertains to our model it's like it's
45:59like dang dude did like two of our top 10 guys just got nuked by like two of our other top 10
46:06guys because of being drafted by the same team so maybe the Ravens maybe the Ravens bought the model do we check
46:14that I mean I think they might have I think they might have it's very similar to us they played it perfectly
46:21too by the way yeah okay boys we're gonna keep a roll in here um talking about a wide receiver that we
46:28have a long history of just piling steamy on Matthew Golden is getting very positive reports out of Packers camp boys and
46:35I think we need to take note at this point we really need to take note because if he's playing it from
46:42reports that I see is he is playing the x with Christian Watson at the zed see what I did there um
46:49and that's a fairly lucrative role when you consider that Dontavian Wicks is not in the picture um and they've kind of
46:56cleared up that death chart a little bit so is there any tune tunes changing jacks on Matthew Golden considering some of
47:03this news um not that you're going out and actively trading for him but are you even maybe like monitoring the situation
47:10a little bit more are you still out skis I think I'll be the fourth player uh on the team in terms
47:17of target rate behind Watson Reed and Kraft yeah what do you think I think that's really hard for Reed to do
47:24if Reed is not making sure yeah per route yeah I guess so but I but but if Reed is on the
47:31field for only one 12 plus personnel snap again like he was last year I think he's going to be on the
47:38field and only basically 11 personnel I'm with you um right I'm just saying even if his target rate is higher even
47:45if his targets per route run are higher Matthew Golden can have like a 0.19 targets per route run and Jaden Reed
47:52can have a 0.24 targets per route run and Matthew Golden's still probably going to out target him if he's playing the
47:59x in 12 personnel sets right and probably out produces them though right so that's kind of he's not going to get
48:06rushing attempts he's not no but I don't think jail I don't think maybe 15 a year right I don't know if
48:13that closes that gap for me though maybe if he scores three or four touchdowns that way which he did he's dynamic
48:20with the ball in his hands and so yeah the rushing yards I'm not saying I'm just saying like if he can
48:27find the end zone I also think if he's playing x I would also go so far as to say he'll have
48:34the fourth best catch rate on the team too you know I just don't think he's going to be the most you
48:41know efficient I don't think he's going to get the most volume and we are not even sure if he's any good
48:48like yeah I mean he's got to be really really good to to sort of elevate past all these guys and become
48:55some sort of an alpha yeah he might have some utility I look I was singing his praises last year remember I
49:02was like are we buying low on Matthew Golden uh yeah but I'm not buying high I'm not buying high no no
49:09no for sure for sure there'll be another rebuy opportunity when he goes you know two targets one catch you know it's
49:16just gonna happen I just guarantee it it's the x receiver you know he's look he could come out and have those
49:23big games too I mean this is a very poor man's uh Jamison Williams right that's the way I look at it
49:30yeah um my take on him I mean listen in college as a prospect he hit a couple of the benchmarks that
49:38we're looking for but our argument if we just rewind a year our argument against Matthew Golden back then was this guy's
49:45not a first round talent right this is a second or third round pick even in this year's class if he were
49:52in this year's class I'd be saying this is a second round pick right and this is a significantly worse class you
49:59know at the top and maybe in the aggregate um so like that's the thing and I think this is kind of
50:06being forced down our throat because he was a first round pick and because he picked up so much steam and because
50:13he ran that fake 429 at the combine uh that you know I'm just stating that as fact um yeah exactly right
50:20yeah it's totally all conspiracy theories are true yeah that was rigged too the 40 was rigged yeah um but the thing
50:27the thing about Golden like more like a 37 and a half of my am I right I mean in dynasty startups
50:34he's going around the 10th round if I'm not mistaken Trav you and I were looking at this earlier 10 10 I
50:41think yeah so Watson's going like eighth Golden's going like 10th and Reed's going like 12th Reed's dynasty value is the lowest
50:48um I think you're like Watson I think showed us some awesome stuff last year but it's kind of the same thing
50:55with like Parker Washington right I was like how much are we buying this or Michael Wilson's like how much are we
51:02buying this like very late breakout we usually see it sooner than it's like how much do we believe it I think
51:09they want him to be the guy I also think he's really good and injuries kind of derailed him early yeah but
51:16I agree I think Reed is the smartest play here if he's the cheapest and if there's a buying opportunity on Reed
51:23here's why like again they've gotten rid of all the secondary and tertiary target earners on this team in terms of rotations
51:30like the bell the bow meltons and the don'tavian wixes right so now it's like well yeah and dubs sorry I forgot
51:37about like one of the more important ones in terms of soaking up routes um yeah so Reed is kind of like
51:44the arbitrage play and it's not like you know Watson has been a model of health so he kind of turns into
51:51Sean Tucker of wide receivers where it's like if there's if this dude's on the field he actually we know he will
51:58get targeted because he's always gotten targeted right he's inexplicably not playing in two wide receiver sets so it appears right now
52:05but we know that when he does play he does get targets so why not take the cheapest guy who when there's
52:12an injury in front of him whether it's golden or Watson like he's gonna play and you're gonna know when to start
52:19him in the rest of the time like you know it's a yolo shot uh it has a big play or not
52:26just keep him on your bench and just wait for the right weeks to get solid starts out of him yeah and
52:33I do like Christian Watson a fair bit to be the sort of alpha on this team but I agree with you
52:40uh value wise that Jaden Reed is probably the best value play although I think all of them will you know look
52:47I think they all could could use an injury you know what I mean um you know because it's really it's Tucker
52:55Craft yeah also there right that's the other thing it's not like oh yeah there's no tight end there's literally another target
53:02earner on that team yeah as well as even the you know the running backs are not necessarily target earners but I
53:09mean Jacobs is a real dude you know what I mean he's he's definitely going to command opportunity um you know so
53:16it's a very interesting spot I think they're going to be a good offense I think there's going to be weeks where
53:23any one of them is going to go off but hard to tell which one and if you're betting it's just like
53:30Christian Watson first Trev I know you're wanting to play host here but I think we should just pivot right into Josh
53:37Jacobs because yeah do it I think this actually speaks to the receiving volume on this team they have wanted to run
53:44um to an annoying degree uh the last few years because they've had Josh Jacobs and he's kind of like catnip for
53:51a coach you know the success rate is going to be high you know he's going to like kind of keep the
53:58train on the tracks yes uh he's missing the next week of practice which whatever again no big deal in August especially
54:05for a veteran like him it's not like he needs the reps um but you know Schefter reported again today he might
54:12be one of these dudes that faces a suspension because of the um domestic violence thing that he got slapped with earlier
54:19this off season and like I think we assessed at the time like it usually takes a year but anyways there's that
54:26cloud hanging over him in addition to the injury concerns in addition to the fact that he faded down the stretch last
54:33year in addition to the fact that Marshawn Lloyd is looking healthy finally for the first time in his NFL career you
54:40didn't want to talk about Jacobs you did not want to talk about Josh Jacobs at all you use that as a
54:47trap I know you want to play host but here's here's my ploy to get to Marshawn Lloyd I know I didn't
54:54want to get to Marshawn Lloyd in that sense I really didn't here's my point the right way to go Joe if
55:01Josh Jacobs is out I think it's fair to assume that their uh pass rate over expected will increase yes I think
55:08that they will not trust Marshawn Lloyd first of all Marshawn Lloyd's also a pretty dope receiver but I think they will
55:15not trust Marshawn Lloyd in the way that they trust Jacobs and there's probably going to be more pass attempts here than
55:22we've seen in Green Bay the last few years so that was actually the larger point I wanted to make it was
55:29a really long-winded roundabout way to get there no but I think the answer was going back to what I said everybody
55:36kind of needs an injury on this team for it to all change right because the way it is now is it's
55:43just too much going all over the place which is going to be good for the team like the team will be
55:50good you know it's like but nobody will be like oh yeah you can really count on him to come through for
55:57you on this team it's gonna be a little bit muted because of the you know quote-unquote too many mouths to feed
56:04but you take one of those any of those guys out of the equation and all of a sudden everything kind of
56:12changes even if it's Jaden Reed who doesn't play every down it's like well wait a minute you know if we're not
56:19going to have this sort of slot guy that comes in and really commands targets well then Watson and Golden are getting
56:26more targets Kraft's gonna get more targets running the slot whatever right they sort of cannibalize each other all sort of triangulated
56:33around one another so kind of interesting yeah it's actually a interesting point as you're talking I was just thinking it's like
56:40this is actually the ultimate get the cheapest guy at every position team it's like get Jaden Reed get Marshawn Lloyd because
56:47if there's an injury you know the opportunity is going to be there and we still think the offense is going to
56:54be pretty good and all of a sudden it's going to get a lot more consolidated if there are injuries that either
57:01the receiver or running back position so just go get the backups go get the cheapest players and does that include tarod
57:08taylor i'm just asking for a friend maybe i mean add them to a deep dynasty why not we stack quarterbacks baby
57:15yes um my only counter to that is that i am definitely in on chris and christian watson as well jacks because
57:22the upside is so massive on this guy we got to remember that green bay has been a factory of wide receiver
57:29production like probably one of the top five teams in wide receiver fantasy points scored over the last few years with with
57:36lafleur um so i think there's going to be some stuff to be had but joey you mentioned marshawn lloyd and i
57:43was just bugging buddy it was right to move from jacobs to lloyd we had lloyd on the show sheet just for
57:50a peek behind the fourth wall and we're going to actually stick with a couple of these running backs because we're going
57:57to start rapid firing a little bit yeah we can go rapid fire but are well like chris brooks was getting some
58:04work for sure last year and he was pretty reliable in that situation to me what it seems like though is that
58:11they want to see what they have in marshawn lloyd he has been on that team for a couple of seasons and
58:18they've seen like a snippet of the guy and so i think he's going to get every chance to be completely hold
58:25on i just got an alert marshawn lloyd pulled the hamstring that was rude that was mean um okay you're gonna get
58:32perked up on this one jacks don't you fucking worry buddy all right johnathan brooks for the panthers fully cleared unrestricted quick
58:39and decisive they're saying he's taking first team reps looks like maybe an early committee with chuba like we kind of expected
58:46um but we think he probably pulls away as the more dynamic and explosive running back kills me a little bit inside
58:53to say that because chuba is a canadian boy and i will always have love in my heart for him but jonathan
59:00brooks provided he can stay healthy looks like this could be the year jacks absolutely i mean look i'm a chuba hubbard
59:07fan too i you know okay state uh the whole thing man he was he was so cool he came out a
59:14year late he was uh he should have come out after his junior year and then he stayed that extra year had
59:21a bad senior season uh you know got fell in the draft i mean everything for chuba just never went the way
59:28that you would have hoped it had gone all that to say i also saw a cool little snippet um i don't
59:36know who i'm crediting here it just came across my timeline it was a explosive run rate type of research it was
59:43uh basically the yards per carry on on on uh carries where you weren't contacted until you had crossed at least one
59:50yard past the line of scrimmage so basically you kind of were free remember that i'm gonna need the abbreviation for that
59:57stat yeah exactly right yipko but the point was devon a chan was great by the way the other back that was
60:04pretty good on that was amarian hampton which is i almost referenced it for the amarian hampton segment but one of the
60:11worst in the nfl chuba hubbard and you know so look i don't think maybe that's small sample who not judging him
60:18on that one stat but i was just it made me think yet another sort of uh data point for the jonathan
60:25brooks bags that i am literally lugging around with me uh for two years now just waiting for them to come to
60:32roost but here's the good thing jonathan brooks still like 22 years old he's like 23 i think he just turned 23
60:39super young player uh still has a lot of runway and from he's three years younger than rj harvey i mean it
60:46is crazy you know been in the league for years uh just just awesome so look i really loved jonathan brooks he
60:53was the rb1 in that class as far as i'm concerned as a prospect um you know when travion finally decided that
61:00he was not coming out that year which he probably should have but we wouldn't have him anyway but jonathan brooks still
61:07an elite prospect from his college days the injuries who knows what has changed but if he's healthy i'm all in on
61:14jonathan brooks and i think he does rassle away that job from chuba hubbard and and returns massive value potentially especially in
61:21an offense that's coming along a little bit eh yeah yeah and not only that but because brazil got hurt and because
61:28it seems like they've realized like get in it um the element that he brings as a pass catcher cannot be overstated
61:35right it's like i think that there's a legitimate case to be made here that he's the third most important like he
61:42could be third on this team in targets yes possible yeah and so like that's what we're looking for the explosive guy
61:49who also catches passes who also doesn't have um a ton of other superstars there's you know one and a half superstars
61:56in front of him in the pecking order and he could easily become number two on that list if not number one
62:03with a good showing and a clean bill of health and like god willing some luck so yeah uh everybody who waited
62:10on jonathan brooks good job anybody everybody who bought low on jonathan brooks like you're sitting pretty right now i guess my
62:17question you guys is like at what point do we consider selling him because this has crossed my mind it's like all
62:24right um the the the stock is going in the other direction now i've you know survived the bear market and now
62:31we're entering the bull market with jonathan brooks do i just sit here and profit and just stay and pray yeah well
62:38obviously not yet not yet we're gonna we're gonna get some wins out of this dude um but with a double acl
62:45profile it does cross my mind it's like the shelf life on running backs like that is lower it's gonna depend on
62:53how he looks and you know the reality is when you've got a really dope running back that you got for cheap
63:00that's like the best thing that can happen to you in fantasy football so yeah for sure for sure i think if
63:07you're a drafter and he does well early season i could start seeing myself putting those feelers out if i'm deep at
63:14running back um to see what i might be able to net out of jonathan brooks um but yeah if you got
63:21him cheap i think you let the run out run out but if you drafted him in the draft and paid you
63:28know probably running back one in that class if i recall which was probably late first anyway it was like 106 to
63:35109 was it was it okay yeah yeah so um i think at that point you could start maybe looking at the
63:42production profit off of him having a good early season is what let me let me give you guys a couple of
63:49trades that i just pulled up off otc ffb small little uh website you might have heard of um listen jonathan brooks
63:56or 27 second jonathan brooks i think brooks probably jonathan brooks quentin johnston brooks not close jonathan brooks uh and a 28
64:03third for jordan addison jonathan brooks and a 20th in the third 23rd yep uh this one may change uh this is
64:10pretty crazy price jonathan brooks and jadarian price for jordan tyson and a 27 first whoo that's such a good trade holy
64:17shit i mean jordan tyson 27 first that has to be a rebuilding team trading to trading to a contender for two
64:24i think i think that's a win-win because i think the receiving end of brooks is a contender looking for his running
64:31backs to take him over the top and the guy getting tyson the first is like thinking i need to you know
64:38build from the ground up here yeah those are young running backs too though like that's nice yeah it's a big boy
64:45trade so i think that's about it for these sort of solo one jonathan brooks 27 second oh jonathan brooks or basial
64:52tootin basial tootin that's definitely basial tootin for me i think i think it's tootin as well but i think it's closer
64:59than i mean i think it's not for me razor thin i mean from a dynasty asset standpoint i kind of think
65:06that it's tootin but if we're just talking about like redraft i think it's really close i know this is dynasty redraft
65:13it's close closer than dynasty yeah because i trust tootin more as a dynasty asset even though the pedigree is a lot
65:20lower the injury history is also a lot less as well so this is that's where i'm this is a good one
65:27listen this one this is actually this is this one's actionable i like this one jonathan brooks for terry mclaurin it's pretty
65:34clear what each team's doing there but giving brooks probably yeah but it's just a good way to get brooks right like
65:41if you need you know maybe you've got you know a bunch of other wide receivers terry mclaurin's a bit duplicitous you
65:48know jonathan brooks can start in your rb2 slot terry mclaurin can't you know you know what i mean so i mean
65:55if you're if you're running back thirsty i think selling a you know a mike evans uh terry mclaurin straight up kind
66:02of an interesting way to go about it i don't yeah the guy who's worth like a second and a half right
66:10yeah from jonathan brooks because that's where we're at right it's like a late a late 27 first early 27 second right
66:17if it's a random 27 second my answer is no but if you could tell me it's the 201 probably maybe yeah
66:24right yeah right yeah i think it probably would 27 is kind of where i'm at yep so jacks i just can't
66:31move on without giving you a shout out for the word duplicitous that was very nice that was probably the vocab word
66:38of the show so far um but speaking of whatever well i mean yeah yeah totally that's a guy that's a word
66:45of every show um speaking of duplicitous we have some really good reports out of tennessee titans camp on elec iam and
66:52or my concern is that carnell tate was duplicitous to what elec iam and or was supposed to provide for this team
66:59but with him looking from what they're saying as a standout in training camp looking like a stud winning contested catches improved
67:06body and aggression in year two is what the reports say are we like kind of thinking that he could operate alongside
67:13carnell tate guys or would it have to be kind of a perfect storm for elec joe i'm actually going to go
67:20to you because you were the first one who put me on to him in the draft season as somebody who liked
67:27him um so why don't you talk about what your feelings are there i'm going to channel my inner sigmund bloom here
67:34if you go with me on this journey if you had to tell the story of how elec iam and or came
67:41to prominence this is exactly what it would look like this was a canadian kid who transferred you know who who came
67:48to the us to play football didn't get much play time in his first season at stanford then like really came on
67:55showed flashes of incredible athleticism a willingness to block like all the tools that you would want but just raw right then
68:02you fast forward to his rookie season in the nfl he fell further in the draft than you would have thought but
68:09there was talks about him as potentially a first round pick so people saw the potential uh then he gets into the
68:16league he's on a terrible team with a terrible offense whose coach gets fired whatever five games into the season or whatever
68:23it was uh and they were just a little bit lost out there but he's out there still trying doesn't even look
68:30like the best rookie receiver on his team but now we're in year two now he's got another year under his belt
68:37uh he has a coaching staff that's going to appreciate a wide receiver that's a willing blocker alongside like the alpha that
68:44they just drafted um and he's still got all these amazing traits just with a year of experience under his belt he
68:51was never going to be an amazing rookie but he showed flashes even then just like he did at stanford right so
68:58he's i think shown us enough go back to college right his targets per route run was 0.24 uh his yards per
69:05out one route run was point uh 2.1 those are good numbers that's what elite prospects look like in those two categories
69:12he's 210 pounds he's 6'2 like and he's got some versatility where he can allow tate to not be the sacrificial act
69:19guess what he can play x he can also play z so now there's some interchangeability with run game advantages by having
69:26a guy like him on the field you know and a defensive-minded coach that's gonna appreciate the hell out of that and
69:34you know dayball who i think is probably also gonna like a player like that just the story for i am anor's
69:41rise to prominence is kind of was always written this way and he's kind of checking the boxes all along the way
69:48yeah i'll also say like he he was he ran the most routes on that team as a wide receiver over 500
69:55you know it was supposed to be calvin ridley he ended up running 160 routes or something like that like he didn't
70:02play like it was you know i think an unfair amount of you know responsibility is probably the right word fell on
70:09elec iaman or in year one from a guy that probably needed some seasoning to begin with like he he did not
70:16land perfectly rookie quarterback it you know bad coaching situation the whole thing bad team right like so nothing was really going
70:23in his favor but yeah i mean you know a lot of people will say dk or whatever his name shamir dk
70:30played better but look he out targeted him he sorry what did you say what did you say your what your dyke
70:37thank you thank you forgot his name get it right sorry boys this is this is an embarrassing moment i apologize uh
70:44but dyke only had 8.8 yards per reception judgment there yeah yeah yeah totally small gap uh but you know i'm an
70:51or was you know not good but somewhat better than dk or dyke or whatever his name is um you know i
70:58just think that you know at the end of the day if they're gonna improve the team then maybe he can be
71:05you know part of that and i think having carnell tate on the other side now you look at it it's actually
71:12i don't know how many targets he can earn but now you have wandale in the slot him on one side tate
71:19on the other that's kind of like okay now it's like it's nice you know he can be sort of a michael
71:26wilson type in this offense if you will right yeah the titans offense is a big time like sleeper cell here like
71:33nobody is expecting them nobody is projecting them to be good and this obviously all hinges on like cam ward's progression but
71:40correct they got a young running back we like they've got you know dyke is your fourth wide receiver in the event
71:47that somebody gets hurt like at any position on that in that wide receiver room like they can shift guys around right
71:54i am in order to become the x wandale have proved last year that he could play you know uh a little
72:01bit more flanker and then he put dk in dyke in the slot um like there's just a lot of versatility in
72:08that receiver room they were a year away last year now it's kind of come together nicely they've got a veteran a
72:15couple veteran running backs and a really exciting rookie they've got the most underrated underrated tight end in the league uh it's
72:22kind of i was waiting for it i was waiting for it so i thought it was brenton strange it actually kind
72:29of like this whole conversation kind of kills my thesis um on my man gunner helm because there's actually a lot of
72:36target earners on the scene now and if iron man is out there like i don't know like the thesis on helm
72:43kind of struggles a little bit so i i'm um putting this out there into the universe at my own great expense
72:51but i disagree yeah go i disagree i think i think gunner helm is the second target behind carnell tate this season
72:58i think i just think it's wandale for sure okay story yeah wandale guys can i tell you i keep forgetting about
73:05wandale on the time for some reason like i just am forgetting that he is 140 targets you're right i mean this
73:12you're right yes in the same office the only guy that knows it's gonna be tate wandale helm in my opinion you
73:19can think it's the other way i don't think it's like that that's fine but i think what i'm saying that's fine
73:26that's what i'm saying you can think it's that way and that's fine um but i think helm is the third target
73:33and i think that will provide us some productive games among the tight end landscape so i think that's totally fine on
73:40this team that probably is going to be playing from behind probably is going to be throwing the ball their pass rate
73:47over expectations probably can be pretty good and i've kind of been kind of like loosely in on this offense because i
73:54like tate because i like the prospects of year two cam ward for the price that he's going at i've been a
74:01little bit in on it so i like dayball i'm gonna go ahead and call it right here dayball is gonna be
74:08the next head coach of the titans yeah he's just gonna he's just gonna usurp sala yeah i think that's what's happening
74:15it makes sense for the development of these young quarterbacks for these teams to just do it it's like a bit of
74:22a nasty move but whatever just do it i think that's why he went to the titans yeah that's probably a smart
74:29movie yeah bob sal is not getting this done i'll take that okay boys we got a couple more and then we
74:36got to rip out of here pat bryant we cannot not talk about him he's getting steam all the way up to
74:43the point that people are saying by mid-season he could take over for courtland sutton is the outside x receiver in denver
74:50i don't think that's gonna happen i think pat bryant a he's coming off a nasty injury at the end of last
74:57season um he wasn't a massive draft pick we did see some talent in him but i think he's gonna need a
75:04little bit longer that than that for us to see a full takeover please jump in if you feel differently i mean
75:11just the end is near for sutton we know that dudes that play his style um don't last long and frankly he's
75:18lasted longer than i thought he would um i'm not gonna sit here and pretend that i was a pat bryant guy
75:25uh as a prospect i thought he was a 50 50 guy and i think he overtook franklin last year obviously the
75:32the addition of wandale probably makes this all i'm sorry not wandale waddle probably makes this all a moot point anyway um
75:39because i don't think there's gonna be like a second receiver you can count on in a sean payton offense but in
75:46terms of like snap rate like i don't know i think he's gonna lead the other three guys being franklin and mims
75:53uh i think he's gonna be ahead of them based on everything that we're hearing i think he's gonna be ahead of
76:00them and if he overtakes sutton um i don't know i like i'm not i can't make this a ringing endorsement i
76:08just think he's like meh but it's interesting i don't think for redraft i don't think he's playable and for dynasty i
76:15think um he's just a flex guy and i think that's all he'll ever be so i like that's where i'm at
76:22sorry for the lukewarm no no that's kind of where i am it was warranted because this is one of the ones
76:29where we see all that hype and we don't need to get too too hyped about it just yet we gotta let
76:36that one ride out it's not like his price is gonna spike where if we didn't like to the point where if
76:43we want to have them it's out of hand for us to get them so um yeah i think i'm just waiting
76:50on that one don't count on more than one sean payton wide receiver there's like one time ever where this happened and
76:57it was like who was it was brian thomas and brandon cooks on the same team actually michael michael thomas yeah i'm
77:04sorry you you know what i meant but you're right yeah thomas and brandon cooks on the same team like that's the
77:11only time they ever had like two fantasy relevant wide receivers in the same season yeah and he likes versatility too so
77:18i could see bryant and franklin to be honest rotating in and out different things he wants to do maybe mims but
77:25um especially like in 11 personnel i think bryant and franklin are going to be put out there to do specific things
77:32um infuriating room by the way oh yeah gnarly i'm i'm pretty in i'm pretty in on waddle though i like wars
77:39yeah yeah he's gonna be sick there um okay so we got a couple more left okay we're gonna go with jacoby
77:46lane to start because i i'm not claiming travel is right yet um but they've got jameson henley beat reporter for the
77:53baltimore ravens saying that in the 27 years he's been covering the ravens he's never seen a rookie have as good a
78:00camp as jacoby lane is having i've told you guys all along that i think there is a real role that is
78:07waiting to be taken up by a guy like jacoby lane and that's why i've been on team lane over surat because
78:14the fit i think is better i'm still staying in that camp i think what this tells me is that you know
78:21maybe the upside in year one for jacoby lane is a little bit bigger than i thought it might have been because
78:28i thought he was a little bit of a long play but um how are you guys because you guys were more
78:35in team surat kind of a cheapy question because surat's been banged up so obviously we know that lane has a leg
78:42up um but changing our stance at all jacks or what look i was prepared to draft ungodly amounts of elijah surat
78:49and jacoby lane in our rookie drafts if they had been drafted in the top 60 to 65 hopefully in the top
78:5650 nfl picks and not on the same low volume passing offense and so the low volume passing offense definitely threw me
79:03off them going together felt like you know a real trap like where you had to almost get them both in order
79:10to get one because you probably weren't going to get them both if you drafted one of them um but i gotta
79:17go back and say the part of the reason that i was so excited was because of their otc score these were
79:24the wide receivers two and three in our score that doesn't mean they were our second and third wide receivers on in
79:32our rankings obviously um but when they scored that high it was enough for us to pay attention uh it doesn't mean
79:39that they're automatically good that's not how models work but i will say pretty much every single player you know with a
79:46score above these guys has been dope at least at one point in time or another the only one who really wasn't
79:53and even troy franklin is the one i'm going to say he still had 100 targets last year i mean so there
80:00at least he's somewhat of a hit uh but every other player is just an absolute stud all the way up the
80:07list so elijah surat and jacoby lane you know it's just a i'm not surprised to hear that either one of them
80:14is playing well based off of that one lone data point so yeah i'm in but i don't know how much we
80:21can expect from either one of them in the offense behind zay flowers and mark andrews and lamar and derrick henry right
80:28i think my take is this and i think i mentioned this probably around draft season but i always viewed surat as
80:35like weirdly the mark andrews target replacement in this offense i just thought he was gonna be the new you know blankie
80:42for lamar uh as as uh mark andrews becomes less viable as a receiving weapon where he's still going to get to
80:49the spot but he's not really adding much anymore even though he did clock 20 miles per hour on like his biggest
80:56play of the season last year so it's like he's not completely washed but we just we're seeing far less glimpses of
81:03it with andrews um these guys were 0.11 apart in our otc score like that's how close it was and in retrospect
81:10it's like okay if they're that close take the guy with the better draft capital and so it's like jacoby lane probably
81:17was the pick over surat uh i think we had a little bit of anchoring bias to surat because he was actually
81:24ranked higher until his draft capital came back so low because we got this negative regressor in built into our model which
81:31is if you don't have good draft capital your score comes down but so we always like knew he was an interesting
81:38prospect analytically and i think we anchored to him a little bit so i ended up with more surat than i did
81:45with lane because of that but there are actually two different teams where i just took both of them you know like
81:52let's just see where the chips fall where they may and i actually have a team where i got conception in boston
81:59to our earlier conversation just because like i don't know which one's going to be good or great but i think one
82:06of them is going to be um it's still early in camp the book is not written yet i think you still
82:13kind of want both of these guys uh in that offense they've been begging for another receiver you know rashad bateman is
82:20an inconvenient truth on that team he's a guy that they've liked for a long time as well obviously this is new
82:27staff you know he is probably you know to trab's point um about dj more last year right it's like it's clear
82:34rashad bateman is not long for this team he's probably on his way out after this season right um i think one
82:41of these guys is going to emerge as the starter alongside the dude with the new fresh contract tracked in uh and
82:49then we'll we'll you know we'll see how it goes from there but um you know this jacoby lane situation feels like
82:56they wanted a player like this when they went after d hop right and of course he was toast he was just
83:03too old and not able to really do the thing that he needs to do all winter jump all winter right he
83:10was not actually able to jump any longer because he's just too old but now jacoby lane is fresh and athletic and
83:17can do all the things that conceivably today's deandre hopkins could do if he were healthy and young right but um so
83:24i think that's what they were searching for and i think that's the role that they picked jacoby lane to fill yeah
83:31yeah roth the back shoulder guy and the win inside guy yep there's a world where they both succeed but they cap
83:38each other's upside for sure for sure for sure they they are very different like sarat is going to give you dirty
83:45production and jacoby lane is going to give you pretty production you know like it's going to be beautiful yeah yes sparkling
83:52yes and it'll be on tick tock the next spangled um okay jackson i got two sides of the spectrum for you
83:59so we're gonna finish on the happy one and start with one that's not looking so positive right now and that would
84:06be omar cooper jr we had reports today we had reports today from rich cimini or camini whatever you want to call
84:13him um that there is a chance that isaiah williams chimini chimini okay wow it's a ch it's not even a sir
84:20or a cut i got both of those right wow i'm just assuming it's italian and it would be ch but anyway
84:27okay yeah we'll have to ask rich um but anyway omar cooper it says that there is potential that isaiah williams who
84:34i don't even know when he was drafted or where he was drafted but he has the potential to pass omar cooper
84:41on the depth chart now super early omar cooper was a first round pick so he's going to get some benefits of
84:48the doubt um we were already a little bit worried about season one though for omar cooper to be honest boys with
84:55the drafting of sadiq with what that offense looks like and the potential for it to actually be able to feed two
85:02pass catchers um i think i'm still in that camp i think we're probably still a little bit concerned but is there
85:09a dip to maybe be had in the fact that omar cooper is probably going to have a slow start this year
85:16joe uh probably i mean it's the jets so like he could absolutely like this is a place where you don't want
85:23your guys going and he could absolutely turn to dust but you know garrett wilson obviously has risen above that and he's
85:30just been a perennial we know this guy's good if only things were better around him type of player right where it's
85:37like you know um so i don't know cooper absolutely fills a role for them um theoretically but the fact that he's
85:44not yeah the fact that he's getting out shined by an undrafted second year player is candidly a red flag um and
85:51this is coming from a guy that drafted a lot of omar cooper um i think we what i'm hoping the best
85:58case scenario here is we all know where this thing's going this coaching staff is getting fired they're drafting a quarterback next
86:06year and in that new offense there's a plan for omar cooper right he was never uh he's gonna save you this
86:13year type of player he was a bet on talent a bet on role a bet on fit with the pieces that
86:20we know are in place on the jets and just you know make a mental note like don't sell low wait and
86:27see what happens in year two because it's probably at this point like the writing's on the wall it's not happening in
86:34year one i agree yeah i agree i mean i don't have much to add because of course i'm yeah way too
86:41overly invested in omar cooper i and i'm not even the the good thing about my uh over weight cooper is that
86:48i didn't push ever i never push for him i i literally would have sold every one of the first round picks
86:55i took him with it's like 90 10 you're getting them like 109 10 if you couldn't move out earliest yeah yeah
87:02early so for me it was always just like all right i guess i'll take cooper here i mean you know what
87:09the hell you want me to do about it um so and you know so it is what it is um you
87:16know we'll see obviously if i if he craps out it's it's a little bit painful just because of the weight but
87:23not the investment um i do think though to you know joe's football point that it's early this coaching staff does suck
87:30balls um there is you know some dysfunction here you know organizationally for years hopefully there's something of a course correct with
87:37a new coach new quarterback next year that actually fixes things right now it's you know 80 mitchell's actually a stinky little
87:44play right now i mean he's gonna be all right he's definitely gonna be out there making some plays he looked good
87:51last year he's you know not a terrible football player and and definitely uh you know pretty prolific when he does make
87:58plays so yeah i mean as of right now cooper's just gotta fight for that slot role and i think he wins
88:05that if he doesn't win that that's damning if he can't yeah isaiah whatever his name is then he's got big problems
88:12for sure for sure for sure that's a big problem look if if somehow or another they slow him and they just
88:19like don't want to rush him in and then he eventually takes it i'm okay with that that's normal that's just you
88:26know life in the big in the big city you know life in the big city it's true though it's fucking hard
88:33this is the last one and i'm glad you're sitting and i really hope you're not wearing jeans right now buddy because
88:40loose loose loose pants eli raradon oh is reportedly settling in fast as a receiving threat in patriots camp yes he is
88:47they're saying he's had multiple catches and red zone touchdowns lately vince mcmahon gasming gift yeah and he has a clear path
88:54to tight end two snaps behind hunter henry that's everything we wanted to see and probably more than we thought we were
89:01going to see by this point too because he's a pretty raw prospect lots of athleticism needed some polish when they say
89:08he's settling in fast and he's catching red zone touchdowns oh baby let's go yeah i mean uh you know this is
89:15great um you know yeah we win uh but we win you know probably with a bunch of these tight ends maybe
89:22oscar delp and you know some of these other guys that we were taking i mean we were definitely mentioning this is
89:30what you want to do instead of taking the antonio williams is and the i took these guys even you know ahead
89:37of striblings and things like that i mean look maybe one of these wide receivers you know all these probably maybe one
89:44of them pans out but i think you you get more value if you can get one of these tight ends to
89:51pan out i just kind of like this group of tight ends in general raritan was my favorite uh especially after the
89:58you know get him in the third fourth round consistently you know i mean you know we certainly uh steamed him up
90:05early um you know i took him in our mock draft when nobody knew his name as a matter of fact he
90:12wasn't even in the database he wasn't that's great you had to put like burke bork urcher in there instead for me
90:19yeah um so yeah that was great he wasn't even in the sleeper database and we were pushing him in there so
90:26you know yeah it's been you know we're sort of early adopters on this raritan stock so um i wish we could
90:33make more money because of that but no it still just spends the same way i just think it's good it's a
90:40good spot you know hunter henry is how many more years is he going to be the productive guy one or two
90:47uh they can certainly play alongside each other and if for some reason there's an injury you know the wheels are all
90:54the way up with uh raritan it's so easy yeah it's funny because you know hunter henry just signed that two-year extension
91:01so uh i i just pulled it up just to see when that actually happened i think it might have happened while
91:08i was on the john today um but um the while i was pulling it up on twitter just now the the
91:15first thing that came up when i you know searched hunter henry is 32 beat writers for the third straight practice hunter
91:22henry has taken fewer first team reps in favor of third round rookie eli raritan what gives raritan has simply become more
91:29consistent and a trusted quarterback uh and trusted target for both quarterbacks i mean so even amidst the hunter henry excitement for
91:36an extended contract right he's going to be a veteran presence and a binky early on in the season but like the
91:43takeover is already very much underway and like they're gushing about this guy every everybody he talked to is gushing about yeah
91:50love it w w why why you all listen to dynasty underground there you go hopefully you laugh but you also get
91:57a ton of dynasty alpha so that's the show that is a show for us boys always a pleasure getting in the
92:04lab as we mentioned um hope everybody is having fun in the fantasy streets we're getting really close to the season like
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92:32trav and we will see you then peace