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0:49What is going on, folks? Pete Nova here with PlayerProfiler.
0:52I am back today to talk about murky wide receiver and tight end room situations, as well as some camp battles that
0:58we have coming up because training camp is right around the corner.
1:01I am joined by Nick from BDGE. You've probably seen him on YouTube.
1:05You've probably also seen him on Twitter, TikTok, creating a ton of content over there on his channels.
1:10Super excited to have you on, Nick. Thank you so much for joining us.
1:14Yeah, dude. This is going to be a good episode.
1:17This is one of those that we get in the trenches.
1:20I think a lot of people kind of stay away from the topic because it's very easy to get wrong.
1:25So we're going to talk through some of the better receiver rooms.
1:29We'll give some takes on it. Going to be a good show for sure.
1:32Yeah. And the rooms that we're going to talk about today are going to be the Chicago Bears.
1:37We're going to talk about their skill position, particularly the receiving assets in that room.
1:42We're also going to talk about the Jaguars, talk a little bit about their running back situation as well as the wide receivers.
1:48And then we'll talk a little bit about the 49ers as well.
1:51Just to kind of kick off today's show, you know, when you're looking, Nick, at, you know, unclear fantasy rooms, do you
1:58usually chase the cheapest player on in those rooms, especially in good offenses, just to ensure that you have some exposure?
2:03Or do you typically kind of shy away if it feels unclear and you're not, you know, extremely confident, you know, in
2:10the room and who you think is going to come out ahead?
2:13Yeah. Good question. I think there's a lot of a lot of a lot of people out there that do immediately go
2:19to like, I'll take the cheapest in the room.
2:22I don't know that that necessarily works out more often than not.
2:25It feels like it typically doesn't. And it's good to kind of shout out the instances in which it does.
2:31I'm definitely a little bit more risk averse in the rooms that I think I don't have a good grasp on.
2:36But if there are rooms where I feel there are three or four heads out there, three or four hands to put
2:43the ball into, but I feel, you know, good about one player above the other two or three.
2:48I have no problem diving in and being like, that's going to be a guy, especially when you talk about rooms like
2:54Jacksonville or rooms like Chicago, where these teams are supposed to be some of the premier offenses in the NFL.
2:59I think it's pretty not a sound strategy to go into the year, just fading entire offenses where if you're looking around
3:05the league and you have teams like, you know, like Arizona is one where, okay, I'm, I'm probably not looking at a prolific passing offense again this year.
3:13So it's like, do I really want to, you know, double down and triple down on a, on a group of, of
3:19players in an offense that I don't necessarily think are going to shine this year?
3:24Sure. Maybe I'll pick and pick and choose like one guy if he falls to me at value.
3:29But these are offenses that, you know, Caleb and Ben Johnson can take a huge leap into year, year three here.
3:34Does, does Caleb like buy for the MVP? I think Trevor Lawrence is in that conversation.
3:39Liam Cohen was awesome last year. So these are some of the brightest minds running these offenses and I want parts of
3:45them because they probably have plans for some of those guys in the receiver rooms and, and breakouts typically come from high
3:51volume offenses that win a lot of games and score a lot of points.
3:55Yeah. And, and, you know, you talked a little bit about the bears and their situation.
4:00And I just think as a whole, the bears and the, and the Jaguars feel like the most important to me, the
4:06most important teams to nail for fantasy football. I've talked about it on my Twitter account recently, as well as here at
4:12player profiler, but these teams, we know they're, they're very likely, at least I feel confident that Jaguars will be a top 10 offense bears.
4:19I could see inching up and getting into it, but we still have to hope that they take that next step.
4:25And also playing in Chicago, you don't always get the gaudy numbers passing wise just because of just where they're playing.
4:31But to me, there's so much talent in both of these rooms at, at pretty much all the core positions.
4:36It's, it's just important to get it right because with the Chicago bears, you have, you have Caleb, Caleb Williams, you have
4:42DeAndre Swift, you have the two wide receivers in burden and Rome, and you have Colson Loveland.
4:47All those guys are being drafted in early ADP in the top 70, right?
4:51So let's just talk about this room to start.
4:54And we'll talk a little bit about Roma Dunze to kick things off here.
4:57When it comes to Roma Dunze, he is the cheapest starter out of the wide receivers and the tight ends though.
5:03You know, last year he had the most targets out of anybody that is returning in this offense.
5:08You know, he had 90 through 12 games and he's got an ADP of 61 so far on underdog early ADP.
5:14And we always use underdog because, you know, people that are drafting, you could also use the high stakes ADP as well.
5:20And a lot of that is still pretty decently similar to underdog, but we're going to stick to underdog today.
5:26Do you think Rome is priced correctly behind Luther burden behind Colson Loveland?
5:30Do you think he's priced correctly or is he probably the wide receiver that you're, or the receiving asset that you're fading the most in this offense?
5:37I think he's probably priced correctly. I Rome's a very tough evaluation right now because he came out of such a highly
5:43tied a prospect, obviously as a top 10 draft capital, but then for all the reasons that you like Luther burden, it's
5:49almost like the opposite of why you would like Roma duns day because Luther burden was handpicked by Ben Johnson.
5:55Luther burden fits a little bit more of the mold of like an Amon Ross, St.
5:59Brown. Whereas while we're extremely excited about a Ben Johnson offense, we really haven't seen him do it to a high level
6:06with the receiver, like Roma duns day who plays that, like, you know, the, the exterior X role and gets a lot of shots downfield.
6:13And I will say, when we talk about like Chicago versus Jacksonville as overall offenses, there's still a little something about Chicago
6:19that makes me kind of like queasy when it comes to the passing game.
6:23Like, obviously they'd never had the 4,000 yard passer, but Caleb Williams, while he has as much upside on a play to
6:29play basis as anyone, he like rivals Patrick Mahomes here.
6:32He still is like very inconsistent in terms of accuracy on a down to down basis.
6:36He makes a lot of bad plays and makes a lot of bad throws.
6:40And that obviously matters when Rome is running shots downfield and he's only getting a certain amount of targets when he doesn't get the easy layups.
6:47Like you need those accurate passes downfield to be kind of dialed into where you are.
6:52And I think Rome gets a lot of the, a lot of the high value targets down the field, but because Caleb's
6:58a little bit more erratic as a, as a passer from an accuracy standpoint, it's hard for him to come by last
7:04year, Rome first four or five weeks, he was, you know, a top five wide receiver and it looked like, okay, the breakout is kind of upon us.
7:12And then he starts dealing with that foot, the foot fracture, the stress fracture in the foot.
7:16And now he's kind of still dealing with it.
7:19I don't really know what to read through in the situation there with, you know, him being like, this is just the
7:25new way that I have to deal with it.
7:28I, I think of Ben Johnson and I think of him being very creative.
7:32And I think he has the guys that he likes to use in his offense.
7:36And Luther burden feels like that guy. Colson Lovelin was a guy that he drafted here.
7:40He obviously wants to run the ball and establish that between two guys, we saw that in Detroit.
7:45We saw it in Chicago. We saw a lot of overlap from the guys that he has handpicked so far with what
7:51we saw in Detroit and Rome is kind of like the guy that's outside looking in right now.
7:56So I don't know. I don't know that I can buy back into Rome as this guy that can potentially be a
8:03top eight or top 10 receiver until we see more down to down consistency from Caleb Williams.
8:07And I, you know, I go back and forth because Ben Johnson turned Jared Goff into a dude who was, you know,
8:13maybe not turned him into, but like he did it with McVay.
8:17He did with Ben Johnson, but Ben Johnson was routinely getting 4,500 passing yards and 30 to 35 passing touchdowns out of Jared Goff.
8:24And I would say that Jared Goff is probably a more consistent down to down passer than Caleb Williams, but there's no
8:30reason you can't turn Caleb Williams into that sort of statistical player.
8:33Um, and when that's going to happen, you're going to have two or three guys that do eat in the offense.
8:39I am a little hesitant to Mark Rome as the guy that's going to be, you know, one of those two players.
8:45I think the other factor too is when you're playing in redraft leagues, like when you're really, really playing in serious redraft
8:51leagues, when you get down to weeks 14, 15, 16, 17, it's pretty hard to stomach dudes that are playing in Chicago.
8:57Cause that weather gets really fucking bad. And you're looking at like, Oh man, I got to play an iffy wide receiver three in a game.
9:05That's going to be 30 degrees with some possible hail.
9:07So I think from a more practical standpoint, it's easy.
9:10Rome's like a dynasty darling. People love talking about best ball and dynasty, but when you're playing the game of fantasy football,
9:16these are actual decisions and actual, you know, mindsets that you have when you're thinking through a Chicago bears offense like this
9:22Rome, you're playing in Chicago could be tough weather.
9:25You're getting tough downfield shots. Like those are probably more inaccurate balls where, you know, Luther burden who we'll talk about in
9:31a second, I'm sure is a great player around the line of scrimmage.
9:35Definitely feels like a dude who can end up catching 15 to 20 screen passes this year alone.
9:40And that feels like, you know, you get the high floor.
9:43He's explosive with the ball in his hand. So Rome, as I'm kind of talking myself through this right now, I'm clearly
9:49a little bit more hesitant on Rome than I am with everybody else.
9:53Yeah. And I get that. And the tough thing, and you mentioned it too, right?
9:57I mean, the connection with him and Caleb last year was sporadic.
10:00You know, you look at a guy who had 90 targets and he only pulled in 44.
10:05And with Roma duns, a, this is not a guy who was necessarily a player that, that struggled with really bad hands in college.
10:12So to speak, this isn't like something where he's known for, and it's like, is he going to get better?
10:17And this was a red flag that we're seeing pop up in the NFL.
10:21But when you just look at it, I mean, guy had 1,252 air yards last year, and he only had 44 receptions and obviously 90 targets.
10:28I mean, even if they could get on the same page just a little bit, it makes me a little bit excited.
10:35I understand though, that Luther is probably going to get the easier touches.
10:38And obviously those, those touches that are going to be schemed up for him, which the designated targets are sexy for a
10:44guy that has that big play ability. I guess my concern a little bit has to do with, with Colson Loveland and,
10:50and how much do they kind of eat into each other a little bit.
10:54And if I had to bet to, you know, I feel more confident in Loveland producing on a game by game basis
11:00and being consistently involved in the offense overburden. You know, I have it so far early on in my projections.
11:06I have Loveland at a 20% target share. And I have met a 28% red zone target share last year, Hunter Henry,
11:12Trey McBride were the only guys at the tight end position with a 30% target share.
11:17And yeah, Goddard Bowers, Tyler Warren at 27%. And then I'd have him at 20, you know, 28% like right in between those guys.
11:23And I think that's, that's decently fair. And then Roma Dunze, I have him as well at 28% on the red zone
11:30target share, just because like you said, he's going to get those high value targets.
11:34It's just really a matter for Rome of, are they going to be able to connect on those targets?
11:39Right. And so I can understand where burden just becomes that, that kind of guy where it's like, I hate to make the comparison.
11:46Like I'm on Ross St. Brown. Obviously it's easy parallel when you're pattern matching with Ben Johnson, but it's just, Hey, a
11:52guy that can get the ball in space and make plays.
11:55And that becomes appealing. I just worry from a game by game week by week with Luther burden, how high is the actual floor?
12:02I know we talked about the schemed up touches, but I still have a little bit of concerns on how high the
12:08floor is going to be for him. Now you talked about Chicago.
12:11We talk a little bit about this team. And when you look at this history for Ben Johnson as a play caller,
12:17and you look at his run and pass rate tendencies over the last five seasons, right?
12:22Last year, you know, in Chicago, 41.58% was their pass rate, which ranked 23rd in the NFL.
12:26And so I'm sorry, that was their rush rate, which ranked 23rd in the NFL.
12:31And I put out on Twitter, this team was, was pretty much trailing in almost 50 over 50% of their games.
12:37They were trailing. They didn't have the lead very consistently.
12:39And that defense is still going to be pretty bad, pretty bad.
12:43Um, so I have a little bit of concerns of just, do they try to get back to running the football to take some pressure off Caleb Williams?
12:51And then when you get down to the late part of the season, like you mentioned in Chicago, when it gets cold,
12:57when running the football is more advantageous to where defense is down that are coming into Chicago.
13:01Um, I do worry that we don't get those high ceiling games.
13:05And so I guess for me, uh, and I'd like to hear your take on it.
13:09I mean, how are we too bullish? Is the community too bullish on the offense, right?
13:14It's exciting. There's a lot of really cool players.
13:16There's going to be a lot of fun play design with Ben Johnson, but are, are we over inflating the offense when
13:22you just consider, you know, where we have some of these guys at ADP, right?
13:27You have Colson Loveland at 38.4. You have burden at 44.6, both those guys top 50.
13:31Then you have Rome right at 61. Uh, it just feels like how do they support all of these assets in the past game?
13:38When I have Caleb still projected not to go over 4,000 yards, he's like just shy by like 60 yards.
13:43Um, you're just going to have to have a really, really efficient offense.
13:47So do you have concerns, uh, about the offense or are you like some who just think it's going to be fireworks
13:53this year and, and they're going to take that next step.
13:56And Caleb's going to move forward. And the young guys are going to just progress in year two.
14:01Yeah. I, to answer your question holistically. Yeah. I have concerns about the offense overall from like a statistic standpoint.
14:07I think, uh, the fantasy community has a tough time separating.
14:10Like this is going to be a very good team from, this is going to be a very high statistical output type of team.
14:17And I could see that being the Delta between the Chicago bears in 2026 and what their fantasy outlook ends up being,
14:23because I did talk about Ben Johnson in Detroit, putting up those crazy statistical seasons, Detroit for a few of those years
14:29had some of the worst defenses every year by week seven, half of their defensive backfield, half of their linebackers, their defensive line was a shredded with injury.
14:37So they were a team that was allowing 28, 30, 37 points per game.
14:41Whereas you mentioned like Chicago's defense was not good last year and they probably won't be great this year, but I don't
14:47think they're going to be a team that's allowing 30, 35 points a game to the point where Caleb's going to need
14:53to throw the ball 35 to 40 times a game where I would, where I'm, where I'm most interested in seeing the
14:59Chicago bears on offense is actually their offensive line, because that obviously turned into like such an asset for them last year, right?
15:05They went out and signed all the interior linemen, Joe Tooney and Drew Dahlman and Jonah Jackson.
15:10And now they're going into the year. Drew Dahlman just randomly kind of retired.
15:14He was an awesome run blocking center for them.
15:17Ozzy Trapilo is going to be likely out for the entire season.
15:20So they're down two of their plus offensive linemen starters going into the year.
15:24And that's going to dictate a little bit of that push that they get with the running game.
15:29So I, I wonder if, you know, they get the running backs a little bit more involved in the screen game, get
15:35out of his hands a little bit more quickly, the way that they did with Jameer Gibbs and even David Montgomery at their time in Detroit.
15:42So I don't know. I go back and forth overall, if I had to lean one way or another, I would lean
15:4851 in favor of, yes, this offense is probably a little bit overhyped from a fantasy perspective.
15:53I like Caleb. He's a very good rusher and I could see a world where they turn into a very efficient offense.
15:59And like Rome does score 10 touchdowns. Like that's, I think the upside cases, he ends up having a very, very like
16:05high touchdown rate season and walks away with 10, 11, maybe even 12 of those.
16:10And most of them will go to him in Loveland.
16:12When I think back to watching the bears last year, what I remember most is Swift and Manungai getting carry after carry after carry.
16:19And a lot of trying to get DJ more force fed the ball around the line of scrimmage.
16:24And like old Amita Zaccheaus being forced into the lineup before Luther burden.
16:28So both of those guys kind of added the picture.
16:31And I do think Luther burden adds a little bit of an element, but I do agree.
16:35Like, yeah, it's, it's almost a moot point where it's like, Oh, he's going to have a high floor because he gets a lot of design targets.
16:43And that's something I just said, but like, okay, two, two, three targets a game.
16:47He turns it into 24 yards, like cool floor.
16:50Like that doesn't really do much for you in fantasy.
16:52If you're not breaking a big player, scoring a touchdown that week either.
16:56So overall, yes, I have concerns. I don't know if there's any guy in this offense that I'm actually actively reaching for.
17:02They're not an avoid for me because I think you just have to acknowledge the upside case of Ben Johnson, year two,
17:08Caleb Williams, year three, you know, like things happen, crazy things happen in fantasy.
17:12So keep that within the range of outcomes. In my opinion.
17:15Otherwise these are guys that if they fall to me, if you picks past their ADP, I'm fine.
17:20Scooping them up on my team. Probably not going ahead of my skis to grab Loveland around early burden around early, where
17:26I know a lot of people in the industry are, you know, those are guys that are like very top of mind
17:33for people that, that they want to leave their drafts with.
17:36Yeah. I think that's perfectly said to kind of, kind of wrap things up.
17:40I'm going to ask you one more thing about this offense and then we'll move on.
17:44We'll take a quick break and move on to the next two.
17:47If you had to take one player, right? Let's just go over the ADPs for the audience and for the audio side as well.
17:54If you had to take one player at ADP, who would you take?
17:58You have Colson Loveland. Now, assuming this is PPR, just a regular managed redraft lead, not best ball, nothing like that.
18:04No tight end premiums. Colson Loveland at 38.4 ADP Luther burden at 44.5.
18:07Deandre Swift at 53 Roma. Dunes at 61. Caleb Williams at 69.
18:11Kyle Monunga at 93. Those are all the important players on this offense.
18:14We assume unless somebody comes out of nowhere, but I don't expect that to happen out of those guys.
18:19Who would you want to spend on? I know who I want to spend on if I had to get, and I've
18:26really wanted exposure, but who kind of comes to your mind that you'd, you'd want to take a stab on at their cost in this offense?
18:33Yeah, I think that the one I'm most confident in actually, you know, producing and being a really good fantasy player for
18:39you this year is appropriately priced as the number one guy.
18:42And that would be Loveland. My problem with Loveland, and he won't be the answer to my question here, is that I
18:48think the middling group of tight ends is actually so strong this year.
18:52And I know people think like Loveland's going to be rock powers, McBride.
18:56Maybe I don't know if they're going to be past heavy enough in order to really like make that come to fruition.
19:02But even like Tucker craft, a guy dealing with ACL love Tucker craft.
19:05Tyler Warren was awesome last year. Even Laporta is getting kind of written off here.
19:09And I like Laporta as a mid mid tier guy to the point where I don't see the Delta there.
19:15So when I'm looking at the group, it's probably not going to be burdened for me.
19:20I liked having Swift, but I will say by the end of the year, as a guy who in like my main
19:26league own both Swift and Kyle Manung guy, it became a tough watch to see them.
19:30They were just going drive by drive by drive.
19:33And that became a point of like, who just happens to be on the field when they get inside the five yard
19:39line, that's, who's going to get the touchdown. It wasn't like, I prefer Swift or I prefer Manung guy on the goal line.
19:45Ben Johnson was very much again, the exact same way he played in Detroit.
19:49Gibbs is going to score a ton. Montgomery is going to score a ton.
19:53So I think, you know, talking through it, I'd likely end up on the Rome train.
19:58Yeah. We, we go back to what you brought up.
20:00Yeah. Yeah. We go back to what you brought up early on where it's like, well, you just take the cheapest guy.
20:06I guess so here in this situation, but if I do have a guy that I'm like going to keep up for,
20:13which I think, you know, we'll talk about in Jacksonville in a second.
20:16I will go above and beyond for it, but Rome's a guy where I'm not overly confident in, in, in who I want to strike at.
20:23So I think I would take him. Okay. Beautiful.
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22:31exciting offenses going into the 2026 season. But, you know, we still have a lot of question marks on who is going
22:37to be the guys to ensure that we get things right.
22:40So we're talking through it here with Nick from B D G E.
22:44And we're going to move over to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
22:46Jaguars are very interesting, right? You have you, I mean, when we just think about what happened last year with the Jacksonville
22:53Jaguars, I mean, you had Travis Hunter who was drafted in the top five.
22:57Obviously it was not solely to be a wide receiver.
22:59It was, you know, to play both sides, right?
23:02Looked like there was a possibility. Travis Hunter could start getting an increased role.
23:06BTJ was going through his struggles, right? And then obviously Hunter goes down and gets the injury.
23:10They've trade for Jacoby Myers. They wind up extending Jacoby Myers and the Parker Washington comes out of nowhere and ends up
23:17being the most dominant guy in the offense for the final half of the season.
23:21So a lot of question marks about this offense here as well.
23:24And I got to be honest, this offense for me, Nick is more attractive than the Chicago bears offense.
23:29I'm expecting more points in this offense. I'm expecting more efficiency in this offense.
23:33I feel like I trust the offense to be better.
23:36It's just really a matter of figuring out who is going to be the guy in this offense.
23:41Let's just start off with Brian Thomas Jr. For a second here.
23:45Do you think Brian Thomas Jr. Is the clearest fantasy bet right now?
23:48Obviously had a down sophomore season last year, dealt with some injuries, dealt with some personal stuff coming into the year, but
23:54had an amazing rookie season, but let a lot of fantasy managers down.
23:58And sometimes when that happens, people say, I'm never drafting that guy again.
24:02And it's kind of reflected in the ADP a little bit early drafting.
24:05This is a very high draft and player, you know, last year in fantasy drafts, and now he's going at 65.8, but
24:11he is the number one wide receiver in this offense off the board in early ADP.
24:16So what do you say about Brian Thomas Jr.?
24:18Is he the guy that you want to own in this offense?
24:22And do you think a bounce back is in the cards for him?
24:25No, he's not the guy I want in this offense.
24:28Wouldn't be my top choice of a weapon if I'm drafting receivers from this room.
24:32I agree with you from a more holistic conversation.
24:35The Jacksonville offense is actually a lot more intriguing to me than the Chicago offense, because what they did last year, I
24:41thought was extremely high upside in the first year with Liam Cohen.
24:44And I thought he turned something on with Trevor.
24:47Ultimately, when I think of like Brian Thomas Jr., I think he's relatively like, I think he's going to be a low
24:53volume receiver that on a, you know, a week to week basis is incredibly difficult to trust.
24:58He's also running routes where I don't think Trevor Lawrence likes to throw the ball because this is, you know, from a
25:04very, very just like basic football take. I think Trevor Lawrence dealt with for the first few years in his career, so
25:10many drops from his receivers and so many untimely drops that he had a tough time, like trusting a lot of the receivers that he worked with.
25:18And it really like melted his brain a little bit.
25:20And it started to happen to Brian Thomas Jr.
25:23Last year. And as soon as Jacoby Myers came over and he was vacuuming up everything, he didn't drop a ball.
25:29Parker Washington started acting real tough over the middle of the field.
25:32Like you can tell that Trevor Lawrence only wanted to throw to those two guys over and over and over again.
25:38And I think he started to build his confidence because he was now like, okay, I've got receivers that I can trust to catch the ball.
25:45And I think they'll scheme up some plays for Brian Thomas Jr.
25:49to take shots downfield. But realistically we're through a few, we're through a couple of years now.
25:53And we've actually never really seen Brian Thomas Jr.
25:56and Trevor Lawrence hit it off correctly. And like, as much as fantasy players don't want to talk about it and don't
26:02like, it matters who your quarterback is when you're selecting a fantasy wide receiver in the same way that, you know, Trey McBride was good.
26:09And then he became elite when Jacoby Brissett was under center and Michael Wilson was mad.
26:13And then he became elite. Like it does take a new quarterback and a guy that's willing to throw you the ball
26:20a little bit more or less for things to change in your view.
26:23And clearly Brian Thomas Jr. was eating a lot off of Mac Jones's plate.
26:27And even if you look at his target numbers throughout the last two years or the reception numbers, he very, very rarely
26:33has any indication of a high volume game when Trevor Lawrence is under center there.
26:37Um, I don't think Liam Cohen particularly loves Brian Thomas Jr.
26:40Either. There were the, you know, the trade rumors and there was just a lot of, I think signs saying like, okay, we got Jacoby Myers.
26:48He became in, he came in, got, became the alpha.
26:51We're immediately extending him. Parker Washington. I think, uh, we'll get extended before this season starts as well.
26:56And I think you're going to look at two other receivers that have now came into this room, outproduced Brian Thomas Jr.
27:02Over the last year or so, and both got extensions.
27:05Like, I think that speaks enough that Brian Thomas Jr.
27:07To me again, like if, if he drops in drafts and he ends up on my team, whatever, but I am definitely
27:13not one of those people that it's going to be like, remember what he was here.
27:18That's the ceiling that I think he can have.
27:20I don't think that's realistic. And I don't think that's going to happen here.
27:24Yeah. I I'm so I'm kind of with you.
27:27And if I'm, if I'm starting to smell where you're cooking a little bit, it seems like you might be a Parker Washington guy.
27:34I do want to get to Parker Washington in a second, uh, but just closing out or, or adding some thoughts to
27:40BTJ and just kind of where I have him right now.
27:43So when you just look at Brian Thomas Jr.
27:45Last year, 52.7% catch rating. And obviously you noted Nick, like this was a player that really couldn't be trusted, uh, from a Trevor Lawrence standpoint, right?
27:53He wasn't a guy that could be relied on to make the tough catches.
27:57And obviously Parker Washington came up and showed that he could be that guy.
28:01Um, prior to that, his rookie season, he had a 65.4% catch rate.
28:04So I have Brian Thomas Jr. At like a 63% catch rate.
28:08I think he gets a little bit better this year with the drops that we saw last year.
28:13Um, but from a target share standpoint, I still haven't bumped down.
28:16Um, last year he had a 19.3% target share.
28:19I have met an 18.5, um, and red zone target share sitting at 25%.
28:22These are obviously early things can change a little bit, but that's just my early look on this offense.
28:28I have him set up though for 108 targets, which would be more than last season, but still less than his rookie season.
28:34He had 133 in his rookie season. He had 91 last year.
28:38I think he goes up just a little bit in terms of his total targets this year.
28:42Um, but you also factor in, he only played 14 games last year, right?
28:46So that's also part of the factoring in of, if you look at and paste that out, he's actually projected to have
28:52the lowest target share for me and the lowest on a 17 game sample size of his career this year for me.
28:58Um, I have him projected far early on at about 12.1 fantasy points per game, which feels about right so far for me.
29:05Uh, but shifting over to Parker Washington, cause you noted it.
29:08And Parker Washington is a player that I've wanted a ton of exposure.
29:12And I'm so happy that you mentioned the contract extension because this almost feels it's very funny how fantasy managers react to the news, right?
29:19Uh, we talk about Parker Washington and the possibility of a contract extension.
29:22It's been rumored. It's been talked about. It realistically feels like it's going to get done.
29:27It's really just a matter of when not if, right.
29:29And unless they're extremely disrespectful and he feels like he's getting confirmation from his agent that he can go get more if
29:36he sits and he feels confident enough. So not sits out, but sits out on signing an extension, not sits out on playing.
29:42Then maybe it doesn't get done, but I expect it to be done.
29:46All reports from insiders over there, uh, makes it sound like it's getting pretty close, but it's funny how it works, right?
29:52Because right now he's being drafted behind Brian Thomas jr.
29:55But I would put money on it that when that extension does happen this off season, I would bet that those two
30:01guys flip an ADP and Parker Washington ends up being the guy that's drafted a highest out of the wide receivers in this room.
30:07And to your, to your part, a point, I mean, they extended Jacoby Myers and now they're going to extend Parker Washington.
30:14BTJ. Wasn't a guy that they drafted. I don't think they're going to sell him for penny is on the dollar.
30:19Like some believed with this whole trade talk, uh, so to speak, but they did obviously not draft this guy.
30:25So, um, that's a lot of kind of moving around talking about the, the sole point here of Parker Washington is Parker
30:31Washington, the guy in your opinion that you want to own in this offense, or is it Travis Hunter?
30:36Who we really haven't talked about. Could he maybe be an outlier and come out of nowhere at a really, really cheap
30:43cost where he's going at pick one 73 right now in early drafts, uh, or is it Parker Washington for you?
30:48Yeah. I mean, Travis Hunter to me is like, uh, in my mind, he's, he's borderline just like a nothing burger right now.
30:55Like I am, I'm not drafting him like, okay, if it's like the 16th round and he's kind of sitting there, I'm like, cool.
31:02But in my mind, the Jacksonville Jaguars paid a lot of money in capital, uh, a lot of, you know, a lot
31:08of opportunity costs to go get them. And I think they need to make sure that they have a superstar on one side of the ball.
31:15It doesn't really make sense given they're like, they have three very good receivers that they can go line up.
31:21There's no reason to force Travis Hunter in there, especially when he could be a lockdown corner on the other side of things.
31:27So I think, I just think from a common sense standpoint, it makes a ton of sense to just have him playing
31:33very high volume at cornerback using him, you know, sporadically on the wide receiver, uh, in the wide receiver room, maybe, uh,
31:39you know, 10, 15, 20 snaps a game, but nothing that really, I think pours over into like being a full-time fantasy guy.
31:46Parker Washington, definitely the guy for me. He was a dude coming out that I remember watching and being very, very high on him, uh, through Penn state.
31:54And I was like, he, he reminds me a little bit of Debo Samuel, the way he's like very tough over the
32:00middle, runs a little bit like a running back when he gets the ball in his hands, just a very different symbol,
32:06uh, stylistic player that I think fits really well with Trevor Lawrence is being really, really tough over the middle and someone that he could trust.
32:13And like Jacksonville had three games or three receiver games last year in which a guy went over a hundred yards and all of them were Parker Washington.
32:21Like I just saw you, you kind of saw the breakout over the last quarter of the season and the buzz out
32:27of camp is just so buzzy about Parker Washington, whether it's the extension, whether it's like how good he looks, my one
32:33minor hesitation is like when they go into two wide receiver sets, is he an outside guy?
32:38I don't know that that feels like it might be a little bit of a stretch, but I do think Liam Cohen's a dude who's pretty progressive.
32:46I could see a ton of three wide receiver sets here, even though they are drafting a bunch of tight ends.
32:51So that could go out the door, but I think they love Parker Washington.
32:55I think this is an offense where Liam Cohen understands how to get the ball in his best playmakers hands.
33:01And that's, you know, a dude like Parker Washington.
33:03So, um, I think BDJ will play a lot on the outside.
33:07Like you said, in my mind, I don't do projections, but he seems like a guy who will weekly get four to six targets probably.
33:14And with BDJ, he's a dude because those targets, a lot of them will come downfield.
33:18Like fantasy football is such a small sample size, right?
33:21It's 17 games. So if two or three of those targets end up being a few inches too far or a few
33:27inches too short changes, the projection of half the season or a full season.
33:31And we've seen that before. It's almost like Christian Watson happened to have a great sample size over the second half of last year.
33:38Whereas like, we did have almost two years in between his rookie year and last year where Watson and Jordan love, like couldn't connect.
33:44They were like so close to connecting a hundred times.
33:47We saw it with love and Matthew golden last year.
33:50And the whole, you know, the whole opinion you have of a specific player can change so quickly just by a couple inches of a, of a target.
33:58And I think that's kind of the, uh, variants you're buying into when you're buying a guy like Brian Thomas jr, where
34:04I think Parker Washington, unlike Jacoby Myers can really, really get the ball in his hands all over the field, but then
34:10make plays after the catch as well. And that's what led him to having these high receiving yard games.
34:15So I love the role he's going to play.
34:18Love the offensive coordinator. I think Trevor Lawrence is really comfortable with them.
34:22Like you said, he's going to get the contract extension.
34:24Fantasy players are going to double count that towards his ADP and then he'll probably rise up.
34:29But right now, yeah, if all else equal, I got to take anyone in that receiver room.
34:34it's Parker straight up for me for sure. Yeah.
34:36And, and, and the double counting is always funny how it goes.
34:40Right. I mean, we knew AJ Brown was going to get traded.
34:43Right. And then what happens? His ADP goes up in, in best ball, right?
34:47Like, but you were able to get him in the third round, um, you know, for a decent amount of time early on this off season.
34:54Um, so it's funny how things work like that.
34:57And when it comes to Parker Washington, it just feels like when you talk about a guy that a quarterback can trust,
35:03he just came off as a player that Trevor Lawrence could trust.
35:06Right. He was there when, you know, Trevor needed a quick outlet.
35:10Uh, and he just, the connection, when you talk about it, you know, we constantly talk about the connection with Trevor and BTJ, not, not being in sync.
35:17It's almost felt like the Roman Caleb Williams thing where you were forcing it.
35:21Cause we love the talents of both players and they're still not getting on the same page.
35:26And then Parker Washington comes in and he just does what you want him to do.
35:31He catches the tough passes and he just makes plays.
35:33And when you mentioned the whole outside thing too, and I'm going to try to pull the stat, uh, you know, before
35:39we're done here and I'll circle back to it, but I'm pretty sure Parker Washington did play outside a decent amount, not,
35:46not a, not a ton, but he has shown that he can play outside.
35:50So I'm not overly concerned about it either. Um, I just wanted to get that out there.
35:54But when I look at this offense, um, you know, from a target share standpoint, um, you look at Liam Cohen and
36:00what he's done with the wide receiver position and consistently, you know, at least from his time at the box to now
36:07to the Jaguars, uh, wide receivers typically have like close to a 60 to 66% target share, which is actually pretty high.
36:13Uh, when you look at just league average overall, um, in this room where I stand with the target share at the
36:19wide receiver position, I have BTJ at 18.5 at Parker Washington at 21%.
36:22Um, I have Jacoby Myers at 17%. I have Brenton strange sitting at 15%.
36:26Um, and then I have Travis Hunter sitting at 10%.
36:29Um, Hunter's obviously the wild card here. He feels like a player that's going to really eat at people's targets and be
36:35more of a, more of just an annoyance. Um, but I don't know, he's never going to, to me, be a guy
36:41that's going to be on the field consistently enough where you're going to be able to start him unless they have maybe
36:48two guys fall, uh, due to injury and they, and they really need to throw somebody else in there.
36:53Um, um, I just don't see it. Now, I do want to shift over to the running backs and then we'll go
36:59ahead and touch on the last team here. Uh, Bashal Tootin, the most expensive player in this offense so far, early drafting
37:05has him at 57.6 at the ADP right now.
37:08And, uh, Bashal Tootin's a very interesting player, right?
37:10You know, scored a decent amount of touchdowns last year, obviously with second fiddle though, behind Travis Etienne who had a, a major, major bounce back here.
37:18Um, I'm just going to start it off just with Tootin in general.
37:21How bullish are you on Tootin? Do you think that that's a pretty fair price for where Tootin is going?
37:27And do you see this as Tootin's job to lose?
37:30Or do you see this as being somewhat of a committee in Jacksonville?
37:33I would imagine it's going to be a committee in Jacksonville in some capacity.
37:37I do like Tootin. Tootin wasn't a guy I was like, you know, uh, fanboying last year by any means.
37:43I thought he was a good prospect, not an elite prospect at all.
37:47Um, but I'm much more in on him this year.
37:49If you look at the situation, just from like a bird's eye view, you want people in this running back room.
37:55Last year, they scored 20 touchdowns as a combination between Etienne and Tootin.
37:59And that excludes Trevor Lawrence's nine rushing touchdowns. So on the ground, like these runners and catchers out of the backfield score a ton of touchdowns.
38:06This is a team with a high win total.
38:09They're expected to win 10 or 11 games after, you know, a huge year last year.
38:13So I think it's more of a two man committee.
38:16I know a lot of people will throw if they don't like Tootin, you'll throw LaQuint Allen into the mix, which I get it.
38:23Like he'll take a, he'll take some targets, obviously like he'll play in very, very obvious passing situations, I'm sure.
38:28But again, this is not a team like Arizona last year where they're going to be trailing the entire season.
38:34They're projected to be an 11 win team. So even in the games where they do end up losing, they're not going
38:40to be in full catch-up mode, right? They're a good defense.
38:43They're a good offense. They're not going to be down by 14, 17 points where it's like, okay, it's LaQuint Allen for the entire second half.
38:50He'll have a very, very specific role. I think in the offense where he's playing 15% of the snaps with Tootin, like
38:56Rodriguez to me is kind of not a guy.
38:59He's just a dude that you can give empty carries to.
39:02Tootin to me is like giving, you know, he's young, he's extremely explosive.
39:06He can play on all three downs in my opinion.
39:08So I think he has a variety of different ways where he can really get home in this offense.
39:14I think screen passes to the running back. I believe ETN ranked top five in the NFL last year among running backs in just terms of screen targets.
39:22And those are early down targets. So you could say LaQuint Allen, but those are, those are dudes who are playing on
39:28the early downs and those aren't going to Chris Rodriguez.
39:30He's not a pass catcher. So I think a lot of those will go to Tootin.
39:35I think Tootin showed really well within the 10 yard line.
39:38And I think Liam Cohen's very creative down there.
39:41Like even back in Tampa Bay where he loved getting that screen game going with Bucky Irving.
39:45He loved getting those, those backfield mates kind of going together.
39:48And I think a lot of that work early down targets will go to Tootin out of the backfield.
39:54And it's, it's not a very typical offense. I don't think where you're just ramming it up the middle with your starting running back.
40:00They do a lot of outside stuff. They, they get the ball to the running backs in space, even when they're in
40:06the 10 yard line, even when they're inside the five yard line, they want their guys to hit the tackle.
40:12They want them to be speedy. So I'm very optimistic about Tootin.
40:15Do I love them as a fifth round guy?
40:18Maybe a little bit, maybe a little bit spicy based on the committee.
40:22That's probably going to happen early on in the year.
40:24But like, I think, I think Tootin has incredible upside.
40:27So he's, he's a dude where if I'm in a lot of leagues, like I definitely want my share of him.
40:33Okay. Yeah. This, this is probably something one where we will probably disagree slightly, which is good.
40:38Right. I mean, I don't like having guests on that, that I completely agree with.
40:42Anyway, it's not really fun to do it like that, but it's not necessarily that I disagree that Tootin's not going to be involved.
40:49I guess I'm a little bit behind on, on just where the market is on him.
40:53I know you would, I mean, it sounds like you're not in love with the cost either, but you seem like you really in on the players.
41:01So you're, you're willing to probably swallow that price a little bit, even if it feels like it's a little too expensive,
41:07just given, you know, the environment or, or just maybe what he's done so far.
41:11When I look though at this offense, I, I, I see it being more closer to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers than I do.
41:17What we saw last year in Jacksonville, Jacksonville Travis ETN had 260 rushing attempts.
41:21I don't think Tootin's going to have that many.
41:24I still think Tootin's going to have 47% rush share, which is totally, totally fine.
41:28I mean, that puts him at 200 rushing attempts.
41:31I also have him close to about, I think I have him at about four, four and a half, 4.3 yards per carry.
41:37So he's sitting at about 862. And then when you add his receiving yards, he's going to go over, you know, a thousand yards all purpose, just combined.
41:45I have him sitting at about 40.9 targets, which to me feels pretty fair.
41:49Just given, you know, in college, he sat somewhere, I think around like 27, 24, something like that each season.
41:54And then, and then obviously ETN was just a really good pass catcher.
41:58And he was a little guy. Like you said, he got a lot of the screen passes because he was there on the early downs.
42:05I guess. To, to throw somewhat of cold water, at least to share my concern a little bit when it comes to,
42:11you know, facial Tootin is just this offense. That's Trevor Lawrence as a rusher, right?
42:15Nine rushing touchdowns last year. You mentioned it, right?
42:18He's going to be a guy that I think will be involved.
42:21He hasn't had injury concerns where they're like, Hey, we got to slow it down with him because he's like Josh Allen
42:27size wise in a way where he's a big boy, right?
42:30Where he can take some hits where they don't really need to scale him back.
42:34He's not Lamar or Jaden who are very thin guys.
42:37So you kind of worry about taking the big hits, but in all fairness, Lamar doesn't take many big hits.
42:43Cause it's just that freakish athletic. Um, but I worry a little bit about Lawrence vulturing on some of the upside for the touchdowns.
42:50I do also worry about Rodriguez just from a standpoint of being like inside the five, right?
42:54Rodriguez last year had a 30% red zone rush rate.
42:57He also had a 40%, 40% rush rate inside the five last season, which I think was, was ranked 10 in the
43:03NFL, which was tied with like Josh Allen. So I do worry a little bit about Rodriguez kind of being a hammer
43:09inside the five, uh, where, you know, it does limit a little bit of the touchdowns in the red zone.
43:15Uh, but you kind of already noted, noted that a little bit too, where, look, I think we're both in agreement.
43:21Like, I don't think Chris Rodriguez is going to be a guy that you're going to be able to start really weekly,
43:27unless there's an injury to toot and, or unless he just ends up being just flat out really good and unexpectedly and
43:33goes, gets into a really good offense. And, you know, we weren't expecting it and he just exceeds very well.
43:39I think it's a little concerning with Rodriguez. He was already hurt, you know, and that's part of it.
43:44He's joining a new team. He's already hurt. And tootin's already kind of the de facto guy coming back in, um, from last year.
43:51So that's going to be something that's going to be very important to monitor because if tootin did take a step forward
43:57and Rodriguez is late to come back to camp, this could be a situation where tootin just establishes himself in the offense.
44:03And then that's where at this ADP I'd be like, okay, I feel pretty comfortable taking him here.
44:08Uh, because you know, he, he's getting all the work in camp because he rods out.
44:13Um, again, still worry a little bit about just the vulturing of the upside where I think Laquan Allen is a better
44:19pass catcher, but as you noted, how much of the early down pass work is he going to get on those screens and stuff like that?
44:26So, um, those are some of my hesitations with him.
44:29Does that, does that kind of, does that make sense?
44:32Do you have any pushback on any of that or, or does that feel about right for where you're kind of sitting as well?
44:38No, I think that's, I think that's accurate. I didn't even bring up the Chris Rodriguez.
44:43Um, I think it's a foot injury at this point.
44:45I don't think we have like a ton of news on it right now, but yeah, it's opening up the gates a
44:52little bit for two and not that I think like Liam Cohen already knows they shall to, right.
44:57I don't think he needed to learn a whole ton this off season about like what kind of player they shall to is.
45:03And I think he was pretty willing to use him very early.
45:06And for, you know, a day three running back to get that kind of run early on, I think, you know, says
45:13a little bit about the way that Liam Cohen feels about, um, base all to.
45:17And then again, like anytime you have a young player like this, with this level of explosiveness, it's hard to kind of ignore what the upside case is.
45:25And, you know, you brought up, you haven't projected for around a thousand yards from scrimmage, which I think is probably, you
45:31know, the, the most likely outcome him, him finishing between 900 and 1100 yards.
45:35The reason I like a dude like to, and is because Rodriguez, in my opinion, just doesn't have the upside to it
45:41is because he's not a pass caster. He's not an explosive player.
45:44And anytime you get to attach yourself to a Jaguars offense, to a top 10 scoring offense, you have the random touchdown upside.
45:51You really don't know what's going to happen inside the five or 10, uh, five or 10 yard line where, you know,
45:57to and could end up with eight or 12 overall touchdowns on the year.
46:01And then you start adding these upside cases to it.
46:03And then you're like, okay, you're looking at like a top, you know, the RB 14 on the year or something like that.
46:10It's a lot of ifs and buts and everything, but it's a player that I, I really like to acknowledge the upside
46:16of because of the situation and the offensive coordinator and the explosive, of him.
46:20So again, it's kind of why I, uh, you know, preface with like, if I have multiple teams, I'm looking to get
46:26to and on one or two of them. He's not a dude that I'm like riding down on the ship with where
46:32I'm like, all right, I got one big team, eight Bay Shaw toot on it.
46:36But I do, I do like him a little bit.
46:39If you're, if you're, um, a little bit less risk averse, uh, than I am.
46:43And you want to take some upshot shots for sure.
46:46Yeah. Yeah. And, and the fact that Rodriguez is already dealing with an injury, God forbid, he does go down.
46:52Um, you know, then it's really shooting in Allen and I don't expect Allen to get much early down work.
46:57And then, then you're really in a situation where you can say, Hey, this is a guy that has top 12 upside, right?
47:04So that's definitely in the range of outcomes. Uh, if, if the injury is a factor and he can't stay healthy, um,
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47:50Uh, thank you so much, Nick, for joining us.
47:53We got one more team here and it is, I think I said the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
47:57I want to say the 49ers. I'm getting confused because I think Mike Evans and I'm excited about Mike Evans.
48:03And it just makes me think Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
48:05Cause that's all we know when it comes to Mike Evans.
48:08Uh, but they're obviously always a pretty fun offensive 49ers is for a lot of points.
48:13They're very, very efficient too. We get enough volume typically in this offense, but it's usually, you know, it's usually funneled between two guys, right?
48:20It's been George Kittle or it's been CMC really more CMC.
48:23And then Kittle kind of is that guy where it's like, if someone gets injured, he steps up and gets a lot of volume funnel to him.
48:31Um, but let's talk a little bit about Mike Evans to start because show a little respect to the veteran here, the
48:37whole impending hall of famer who finds himself in a new situation.
48:40Um, I don't know. I got a thing. I feel like for, for dusty veterans lately, they've paid off for me and
48:46that's usually not my style, but I've had, I've had some Devante Adams.
48:50Um, you know, I had Mike Evans last few years, obviously that injury kind of soured things last year.
48:55He didn't finish as strong. You've had some really good history with the running backs too, who have kind of gotten up
49:01there in age and they've been pretty successful. Is this year, the year that Mike Evans is going to fall off?
49:07Does he have enough left to make an impact for fantasy and this offense, in your opinion, Nick, who right now Mike
49:13Evans is going as pick 54, uh, which is actually ahead of everybody on the Jaguars that we talked about, um, running back wide receiver.
49:20Uh, and he's, you know, the number two player behind CMC in this office.
49:24Yeah. I like Mike Evans and I'm with you on the veterans.
49:28This year is a year that I'm super okay.
49:30Drafting some older players. Like even the ones you named who you've been drafting previous years, like give me a Mike Evans, give me a Devante Adams.
49:38Like I think their offensive environment and the structure that they're in right now is a great setup for them.
49:43Evans moving over his new team for the, you know, the first time in his career.
49:48It's just intriguing to attach a dude like Mike Evans, who sure he's been dealing with some injuries.
49:53Like I, it feels like he has a, uh, an annual hamstring injury at this point, but anytime he's on the field,
49:59the man still looks like he is competing and playing at a top level.
50:03And maybe it's not, you know, 2016, Mike, or 2017, 2016 Mike Evans, but it's like, it still feels like he's a very, very eligible receiver.
50:10And when you put a player like that into an offense, like San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan and a dude like Brock Purdy, they score so many points.
50:18Brock Purdy's touchdown rate is so high. He just delivers.
50:21And, and you look at the rest of the weapons in that group.
50:24It's like Ricky Pierce. All can't really stay on the field.
50:27You have George Kittle coming back from the torn Achilles, who I'm, you know, a little bit iffy about right now in that return timetable.
50:34And it feels like Mike Evans is going to be just another kind of cog in the offense that is able to
50:40lift them as a, as a, as a high touchdown score.
50:43Like I wouldn't be surprised if he finished the year with, you know, 10 touchdowns this year.
50:48I would say my one. Trepidation on a dude like Evans is very likely going to run like a ton of outside routes.
50:55And I don't know that we see Purdy really attacking that part of the field.
50:59Like Brandon, I did have a big year in 2023, but even I use big year.
51:03Wasn't a very high target year. Wasn't like seeing a ton of targets per game.
51:08I think he was probably seeing somewhere in like the five to six range, which Evans can still eat on that.
51:13My bet on Evans would definitely be him just being like insanely involved in the red zone in a very high scoring offense with Kyle Shanahan there.
51:21So yeah, I'm, I'm very much not fading Evans this year.
51:24He's not a guy that I'm looking away from at all.
51:27I'd be happy to grab Evans in the fifth round.
51:30If he's someone like I've grabbed two great running backs, I've grabbed two, two great wide receivers and Evans is sitting there
51:36as my first flex or my wide receiver three or whatever.
51:39Probably not going to be a very, very high volume guy, but I haven't watched him in recent years and been like, wow, Mike Evans looks slow.
51:47Mike Evans looks like he's fallen off. Mike Evans doesn't look like the same player.
51:51Eventually it's going to happen, but I'm not sold that it's right now.
51:54Yeah. Mike Evans is, is interesting because you feel like the fall off is eventually going to happen, but we just look
52:01last year, I mean, yes, you know, he did dip a little bit when it comes to his yards per reception, air
52:07yards were down a little bit too, but he only played eight games.
52:10Right. And the, and the health did become a factor.
52:13I think, I think for me, it's really about the health with Evans.
52:17Right. I mean, the last two years he's struggled.
52:19He obviously always has that hamstring injury. Like you mentioned that always kind of seems to pop up with Evans.
52:25But I mean, when he's been on the field, he's been dominant.
52:28Right. And it just feels like, I hate to say it because it just feels like a cheap, like pattern match, but
52:34it feels very Devante Adams desk, right? Right. This is a team that we expect to be in the red zone a good amount.
52:41The tougher thing with them is how, how effective is George Kittle?
52:44Right. Because, you know, if George Kittle is effective and then you have CMC, you know, is Mike Evans, the top target
52:51earner in the red zone, I'd still put my money on it being CMC, which sounds crazy because he's a running back,
52:57but I still wouldn't be surprised if he's still the top target earner in the red zone, in the offense as a pass catcher.
53:03And then it's probably, if I had to guess, it'd probably still be Mike Evans over George Kittle.
53:08Just because Kittle likes, we'll talk a little about Kittle, but Evans still has that, that above the rim ability.
53:14He's a guy that's not coming off a major injury.
53:17And the last time we saw him on the field, he still looked really, really good.
53:2132.9 years old. My projections for this offense are still out of whack.
53:25I got to be honest. I haven't really settled on anything.
53:28I'm not really comfortable putting them out there just yet because I just, I'm still kind of going back and forth with
53:34this offense, but I guess my, my feelings, at least with Evans is like you, I want to have exposure to him.
53:40I'm very, very happy and fine to take that, you know, 54.2% or not percent, but 54.2 ADP for him and take
53:46some, some, some chances on him in that range there.
53:49Right. I mean, you figure that's kind of sitting at that like fifth round area, and the way I draft, I typically don't draft tight ends.
53:56I wanted to mention that with Colson Lovellum. We talked about that.
54:00And I'm just not a guy that drafts tight ends very high.
54:03I just think that the, the range of variance is just, is just too wide.
54:07I mean, Dallas Goddard last year was, it was like top five in points per game last year, and you got them for nothing.
54:14Like just a weird position. So I typically like to get some combination of two running backs, three receivers, or through, you
54:20know, three running backs, two receivers this year might be a little different for me.
54:24Cause there are elite quarterbacks that are falling as well.
54:27So that's, I'm starting to wrap my head around Nick, maybe taking some chances on some elite guys, because I mean, there
54:33are some very, very appealing prices right now for the quarterback position.
54:37But I mean, if I can get Mike Evans as my wide receiver three in the first five rounds, I feel damn good about that.
54:44And I'd be sitting there being okay with the, with the possibility of injury, because even if he does miss a few
54:50games, you can still rotate somebody into his spot.
54:52If he's a flex or if he's your third wide receiver in a three wide receiver start league, you still feel comfortable
54:58kind of maybe put piecing or patching something in there for the games that he may miss because of the age.
55:04Do you have anything else that you want to talk about with Mike Evans or are you ready to move on to the rest of the room?
55:12No, I think we echoed each other pretty well.
55:14Okay. Yeah. I guess when it comes to the rest of the room, Ricky Pierce, all Christian Kirk, right.
55:20I mean, I think these are the two guys that are most obviously vying for that wider two wide receiver two spot.
55:26And ironically, when we talk about injury, I mean, this is a, this is a team that I mean, the San Francisco
55:3249ers couldn't, couldn't have served it up better for us.
55:35When we talk about just injuries in general and, and putting together a team that is really sexy, but has a lot
55:41of concerns when it comes to staying healthy. Christian Kirk obviously has had his issue staying healthy.
55:46Ricky Pierce has had his issue staying healthy. When it comes to the two of these guys, if you had to put
55:52your, your chips in the table, you know, who do you want to have exposure to between the two?
55:57Because someone might just say, I don't really want to take a chance on Ricky Pierce.
56:02So I'd rather just take the cheaper player in Christian Kirk.
56:05Yeah. I mean, I have no interest really in Christian Kirk.
56:08I, I, I don't know if they, they signed him to a one year, $6 million deal.
56:12I'd be pretty surprised if shriveling doesn't end up getting a decent amount of play time over him by the end of the year.
56:19And it's like, Kirk could be semi-interesting if like, they didn't have the ancillary in ancillary, ancillary, sorry, ancillary pieces in like C-Mac and George Kittle.
56:26You know, like there are a lot of teams that don't have a high target guy at tight end and a high
56:33target guy at running back, but this is a team that has two of them.
56:37And now you're talking about a dude who's probably past his prime as like possibly the wide receiver three, maybe the wide receiver four.
56:43So nothing to do with Kirk. Pierce Hall, I think has been really good on like a per route basis so far in the NFL.
56:50I think he's a good separator. I think he fits like a creative Kyle Shanahan scheme pretty well.
56:55Cause he can be moved inside and outside. Big thing with him, of course, his health.
57:00I'm okay. Taking some swings on Ricky Pierce. Although in case Mike Evans does hit that age clip this year, I could
57:06see Ricky P kind of moving into a role where he's, you know, one of Brock Purdy's favorite targets.
57:11And he's a guy that Shanahan loves to move around a lot and like get open in space and move over the
57:18middle of the field while Evans is kind of running most of the routes on the outside.
57:22So I'm interested in Ricky Pierce. All I am completely disinterested in Christian Kirk, however.
57:26Yeah, I'm, I'm kind of with you there as well.
57:29Got it. Got to bring up Kirk just because I mean, he's practically free, right?
57:33You're talking about a ADP of 216, which is pretty much undrafted.
57:37But it's a little bit appealing just because of the offense.
57:40And, you know, if you're in a league where it's maybe a 12 man and, and you have like deep benches where
57:46it's six, seven guys, you might want to take a chance on a guy like Kirk, but understanding that that's the guy
57:52that probably rotates on your bench where it's like, you always, sorry about that.
57:56You always have, you always have about one or two, you know, players that kind of rotate off your bench.
58:02I never get married to the end of my bench because I want to try to find that, that gold early on in the year.
58:09And so Kirk is probably that guy. It's going to be a quick drop.
58:13You'll see how involved he is in the offensive start.
58:15And then I'll probably sit on waivers for a decent amount of time.
58:19Pierce. Pierce. On the other hand, sitting at one Oh five right now with his, his current ADP is, is pretty interesting.
58:25Um, I mean, for, for an offense that we're, we're talking about the injury concerns with Evans.
58:30Uh, we're talking about the injury concerns with George Kittle.
58:33Uh, one Oh five is really not a bad price for Ricky Pierce.
58:36So at all, when you're factoring in that, this is probably still a top five, top 10 offense.
58:41Um, so I'm going to probably have some decent amount of exposure here at that current cost.
58:46Yeah. And I think he's like, when they go into two wide receiver sets, it's going to be him and Evans, I'd have to assume.
58:53So he's going to play, you know, a ton of snaps on the outside.
58:57He's going to play a ton in an offense that you want attachment with.
59:01And, you know, I don't really look at him as too dissimilar, uh, of a player situation.
59:06When you look at guys like the Matthew Goldens who are probably getting drafted around them.
59:10And it's like, I'd rather take the shot on, on Ricky P I think.
59:14Yeah. I'm kind of with you there. Um, and then let's, let's kind of get ready to wrap up here.
59:20Uh, two, two questions or one question, I guess when it does come to George Kittle, right?
59:24I mean, this is a player who picked one Oh 4.4.
59:27There's, you know, he's obviously a tight end you moving around, uh, you know, looking, looking like he's making at least pretty
59:34good strides, given the injury that he suffered, uh, with the Achilles, um, is George Kittle a guy that you will, we'll take some chances on.
59:41Um, I don't know how typically how you draft tight ends, but that one Oh four range is the type of area
59:47where I start to kind of mix and match some of these, these tight ends and good offenses that, that are pretty, pretty fairly priced.
59:54Yeah. I mean, I, I think he's interesting because you have the ability for the first time ever to mix and match
60:00George Kittle rather than having to spend up really, really highly on him.
60:04I will say, I didn't have a strong take on him obviously cause I'm not a doctor, but then I had a Dr.
60:10Jesse Morris, who's a sports physician on my channel a few days ago.
60:14And he had some major concerns with George Kittle, basically looking at some of the video footage that's been going around Twitter
60:20and showing George Kittle running and timeline and all this kind of stuff.
60:24And he's extremely hesitant on, on George Kittle for this year and just him being the same player that he had been
60:30or even close to it in previous years. So I'm not going to lie.
60:34It's kind of spooked me off Kittle quite a bit.
60:36Can he kind of roll into, you know, a 55 to 60% snap share and get eight touchdowns this year?
60:42Sure. It'd be vintage George Kittle and it wouldn't surprise me.
60:45But I could also see a path where he starts to become like Mark Andrews, where it's like, you are relying now
60:51as he's getting older on low volume and you need the touchdowns to start converting in order for him to be like
60:57usable on a week by week basis. And that's gotten kind of miserable for Mark Andrews.
61:02If you owned him last year, it was good the second half of the year prior, but terrible before that, you know what I mean?
61:09That that's kind of a path I could see going down for George Kittle where you're, you know, you're probably going to
61:15be disappointed if it goes down that path. So I think I find myself looking for one of the top eight or so tight ends in the draft.
61:23Usually not a guy that pays up for elite production, either McBride Bauer's probably going to be off my plate.
61:28Loveland. I kind of named some of the guys that I likely will be targeting.
61:33I like a guy I can trust that I don't, you know, necessarily need high upside from, but I can week in and week out.
61:39No, I'm getting that like four for 50 touchdown every other week or something like that.
61:44And that feels fine for me for a tight end.
61:47So the Tyler Warrens of the world, the Tucker crafts of the world, who I'm more optimistic about on his injury being
61:5325 years old and George Kittle at 33. Yeah.
61:55I think that's a fair way to put it in a good way to close that out.
62:00Last question. And then we'll get out of here.
62:03What is a player out of forgetting about the three teams that we talked about today?
62:07Who is a player in fantasy football this year that you find yourself ahead of market on again, that we haven't talked
62:13about can't be on any three of these teams that you are willing to spend up on a little bit and willing
62:19to maybe draft ahead of their current price point in, in 2026.
62:23Yeah. I mean, I have a ton of players, you know, above, above ADP that I, that I'd love to wrap to rip off right now.
62:30I think the guy I feel most comfortable landing on is, is chase Brown of the Cincinnati Bengals.
62:35It's, it's a dude who's, you know, I think will perennially be looked at as someone that we have to be worried
62:41about because of his draft capital three years ago, but he's kind of done nothing but produce high ceiling outcomes for fantasy
62:47football and having to earn every bit of it.
62:50And I think if you take a step back and look at his offensive situation right now, the Cincinnati Bengals are going
62:56to be one of, if not the top scoring offense in the NFL there, they'll have a bit of an improved defense,
63:02but they're still going to have to put up 25 plus points per game to win.
63:07And he's clearly the workhorse there. Like, yeah, Samaja P Ryan took a little bit of work and some scraps off the
63:13plate last year, but that's all you're competing with.
63:15Like we just saw back-to-back seasons of chase Brown be awesome.
63:18And then they went ahead and didn't add anything to that backfield.
63:22So in my opinion, he's not competing with anyone.
63:24And I think there's a world where he could end up leading the NFL in, in running back touchdowns this year, because
63:30he's in the right place at the right time.
63:33He's explosive. He's also their third leading target guy.
63:35Like when, when Burrow doesn't want to throw to chase or T Higgins, the next guy up is chase Brown.
63:41And he's consistently done that week over week. And now year over year to the point where I get it.
63:47Like we can dive into analytics and numbers in the off season, but if a guy just played really well and situationally,
63:53like nothing materially has changed, I'm expecting the same, if not better, you know, luck or a better situation, more comfortability with the offense here.
64:00So for chase Brown, he just feels like kind of a no brainer in the early second round.
64:05Yeah. I, I love chase Brown too. Um, so I will actually probably be ahead of market as well as I do my early rankings.
64:12Um, he's definitely a player that I find myself wanting to draft a higher than, than some of the guys that go ahead of them.
64:19Um, I'm not going to divulge too much into that because, uh, you had a pretty good take there to finish up the show.
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