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0:44To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. With your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.
0:49Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast. It's the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, if you're nasty.
0:54Just two best friends talk about the NFC North.
0:57Oh, a couple of... And a bear, the cardboard bear.
1:00Oh, yeah. I mean, what an episode for Jay Grizz to be a part of.
1:05That was not planned, but you're making a good point.
1:09Yeah, I mean, we've got a Packers fan in the house, a Bears fan in the house, and then a couple of
1:16guys who don't care about either of those teams.
1:20Welcome in. It is Saturday, July 18th. Thank you for joining us.
1:24Like I said, today is the NFC North. We've been breaking down all the divisions, going over the important players, sneaking in little nuggets, little truth bombs.
1:33Well, we're going to have a good time today.
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2:53The quick question of the day. Did we tell them the URL?
2:58I didn't listen. Yeah, ballerslive.com. There you go. Jason and I are about, no, not about to, because I guess when you're hearing this, we're already there.
3:07That is true. As of this recording, we're about to go to the airport because we are going to New York to
3:14Fanatics Fest where we will be hanging out if you see us.
3:18Come say hi. And then Sunday we're going to be talking to Dart, Scad, and Eli.
3:24That's right. Some giants of New York. Anyways, quick question.
3:27Andy in Australia. Oh, bonjour. Hey, ballers. As a redraft league commissioner, how do I deal with three inactive league members?
3:35They set their lineups. They pay their entry fee, but they're completely offline in every other way.
3:40They don't speak in the league chat. Don't send trade offers.
3:44They don't accept any. They don't even decline the trade offers.
3:48Can I just boot them out of the league?
3:51Is this worse than true inactive managers? Because like a true inactive manager, you're not paying your league dues.
3:58You're not setting your lineup. You can't. You're just like, well, you're out of the league.
4:03We're going to go to like, you know, footlandleagues.com or the discord, you know, of the footballers to find some cool people, fill out those rosters.
4:12But if someone is really paying their dues, setting their lineups every week, what do you do?
4:18I mean, I guess that's what the question is.
4:21The piece of advice that I would say is this time of year in the off season is when I would text
4:28them and just say, hey, I want to make sure you want to be in this.
4:34Right. You don't usually. I mean, just say this.
4:37Just it's doing it for them. You're like, hey, do you know, you don't have to be in this league if you
4:45don't want to be in this year. I just I'm checking with everybody.
4:49You didn't, you know, talk a lot or or you weren't very active in the league.
4:54Are you sure you want to do it this year?
4:58And then you do that every year until they get the hint or they change.
5:03That's the only piece of advice I think I could have.
5:07Would you be willing to boot them? Yeah, I'm willing to do it.
5:11It's it's but you got to talk to him first and it's like, hey, guys, it's just it's it's frustrating to have three.
5:19I mean, what is it? So one fourth if it's the 12.
5:23Yeah, like that. You have to be able to talk to people and make trades and it would be easier to push
5:31them if you already had someone lined up. If you've got, you know, a person or two that are like, man, I
5:38really want to be in the league and you're like, man, I got these three.
5:43That's another kind of feather in the cap where you can go and say, hey, I've got someone who wants to be in the league.
5:52They really want to be a part of it.
5:55I don't know how involved you are because you don't you're not very active.
6:00Right. Might make it easier to let them say no.
6:03That's a tough call. Alternatively, oh, you are going to leave the league.
6:08You're just done. And then you start a new league that with about seven other players or a whatever the number is.
6:15And then you create a new league at three to that and you just you're done with this league.
6:22Yeah, this is this is just some good old fashioned communication, which if they don't respond to that, then go ahead and boot them out.
6:30All right. It's been 20 minutes. You said nothing.
6:34Oh, oh, yeah. The Camara news. If you didn't hear that at the end of the mock draft.
6:40Well, a couple of days ago, Alvin Kamara did rework his contract and he will be sticking around.
6:46He will be part of the Saints. I mean, that's what I assumed all offseason.
6:51I wasn't quite as high on Travis H. And Junior as the rest of people just because I assumed that Camara, who
6:59is a saint like he is a quick Dorothy Mantis, such a such a good man.
7:04But he is like a quintessential New Orleans Saint.
7:07He is, you know, he's been there his whole career.
7:11Yes, he's a leader. He's been there through the ups and the downs.
7:15And so I assumed he's going to finish his career there later in the offseason.
7:20It seemed like, oh, man, maybe they are really wanting to move on.
7:25And I was I got excited for that. But he'll be there and and make problems for fantasy.
7:31I thought he was a saint for fantasy football.
7:34It's that he's not going to do anything on his own to be important.
7:39Right. And whatever he does do and he's not going to do a ton.
7:43He's not going to be in a 50 50 timeshare.
7:47But whatever he does do comes at the expense of someone that you want to start for fantasy.
7:53That's fair. Moving on. Let's get divisional. We're talking the NFC North.
7:57A reminder, this is we're doing like a general overview, you know, things that have changed for these teams and just taking
8:05a quick look at the players, how we're feeling.
8:08Last year, the Chicago Bears. From worst to first.
8:11Eleven and six. What a year for the Chicago.
8:14Then there was the Packers, the Vikings and the Lions actually tied at nine.
8:19And it to me, the Vikings at nine and eight still.
8:23Yeah, it's mine. Still blows my mind. Oh, I think you're lying.
8:27Right. Like, exactly. No way. Of like the way that the season is thought about because of how things went with J.J.
8:34McCarthy. You're like, well, they they must have won like three games.
8:38Like, no, they they won nine. They actually won the same amount of games as the Green Bay Packers who were second.
8:46They just the Packers had a tie. Yeah. So they they have fewer losses, which is also funny because this is a complete inverse of 2024.
8:55Twenty twenty four. The Lions Vikings Packers Bears. Then this last year, Bears Packers Vikings Lions.
9:00And this division for what for what felt like this is a very easy division to predict last year.
9:07Yeah. This this division is so close that it could genuinely go in every single possible direction.
9:13I don't think that there's which means like the Bears who finished first.
9:17They are. I think right now everyone's love affair in fantasy.
9:21Everyone is excited about them. The fans are very excited.
9:24They could absolutely finish fourth in this division, not because they're not good, because everyone someone has to write like the Lions,
9:32who are a really good team just finished last in this division.
9:36It's it's a brutal, brutal division. They have the most combined wins in the last two years of any divisions by a wide margin.
9:44They have eighty three wins in the last two years.
9:48The next closest is seventy five. That's not bad.
9:51Well, let's start at the top. The Chicago Bears.
9:54They were eleven and six last year. Their Vegas projected win total was eight and a half in one.
10:00That's there's so much J. Gris on the screen.
10:03I'm so happy that maybe I'm not. I don't know.
10:07But people usually really love when Al hits that drop.
10:10Right. And interrupts us with J. Gris's moment. And I'm I guess I am happy that people like it because I hate it.
10:18I just I just hate it so much. I get like usually all those silly little things that give me a little piece of joy.
10:27I'm just always annoyed. But at least people like it.
10:30Yeah. And also we it still catches us off guard.
10:33I know it's going to happen. I didn't. I didn't see it coming.
10:38I mean, we are dumb seven and four in one score games.
10:42It was their first playoff win since 2010. This year, Vegas has them projected at nine and a half.
10:49Very, very strong offense defensively. Not the best 29th of pressure 29th and yards per game.
10:54But they had the third more third most turnovers, which this that when you're saying Jay, this is a team that could
11:02go from first and then finish in last place of their division.
11:06You don't get those turnovers. You can't be your defense can't be that.
11:10Yeah, they have to have drive the way they did their defense step up.
11:15I think they had some injuries last year. I mean, every team does, but it's a well coached team.
11:21Ben Johnson has proven that he is who they thought he was going to be.
11:27Yes. And a very exciting offense. There's obviously also changeover at the offensive coordinator.
11:31Yeah, sort of. Well, OK. Yes, because because Ben Johnson is the head coach.
11:36It's like when you're like, hey, McVay has a new OC.
11:40Sure. Yeah. I don't know that I really care about.
11:43Is this the new spritz? Oh, yeah. Oh, the oil.
11:47The cologne of Ben Johnson is the new Sean McVay.
11:50Yes. So press Taylor next year is going to be you've touched Ben Johnson.
11:55Come come run our team. We'll see. But it's going to take the Bears being really, really great again.
12:02Now, I will say this. It is tough. Every year there's a team that goes from last to first every year.
12:09And the last year it was the Bears. They are legitimately good.
12:13However, they had the last place schedule. This year they've got the sixth hardest schedule.
12:18So it's going to be a different world for them.
12:21They're going to have, you know, instead of being like the underdog Cinderella story, the new kids on the block.
12:28Right now they're going to be expected to do good and they're coming at it from a different perspective.
12:35And sometimes that really has an impact on the ability to perform.
12:39You know, now the pressure is on them. All right.
12:42Let's start with Caleb Williams. Solid for fantasy purposes.
12:45Not necessarily the most. Just the great news on the accuracy.
12:49He completed 58% of his passes. Only Shadur and JJ McCarthy were worse among qualified quarterbacks.
12:55He was dead last in completion percentage versus zone.
12:58Dead last in off target rate. I mean, it's a weird man.
13:02It is like how prolific the offense was to have a quarterback.
13:06How talented he is. Right. When I went back and I watched his film, it's so weird for a guy who's so good to constantly be so bad.
13:16Like his arm strength, his playmaking ability, just his physical attributes is really, they are special.
13:21I mean, we knew that coming in. That's why he was drafted number one overall.
13:26But then it's like, what happened? Like every fourth play is like, wait, what are you doing?
13:32And he's, it's tough because he can go boom for your fantasy team in both directions.
13:38And like looking back over the game log, you have some just absolute monster games, especially he closed out the season as
13:45a QB nine, QB four and QB 11. But you have just like, you have two games of single digit points from a quarterback.
13:53So is it where, where are you projecting Caleb?
13:56Like, are we going to improve? Do you think this is kind of who he is?
14:02I do think he improves. Obviously as a young player, he should be getting better, more time in the system, more time with the players.
14:10You add in the fact that this is a very, very like two thirds of his weapons last year of his print, Luther Burden and, and Mr.
14:20Love, Mr. Love land were rookies, right? Like they should get better as NFL players.
14:25They should step up. Um, DJ Moore, what did not do anything special on his own?
14:30He barely broke tackles, which is like what he was so good at last year.
14:35So I think just simply the offensive weapons getting better, Mr.
14:39Love land, getting better and healthy to start the year, uh, Luther Burden coming into year two.
14:45And then Rome, I, I believe is a very good wide receiver, a true alpha one.
14:51I'm worried about the foot, but, um, I've read things recently that make me realize like maybe that's overblown.
14:57I think the, uh, the last thing that I saw like statistically with this injury is production should not take a hit at all.
15:05Okay. From meeting back to whatever his peak is.
15:08However, the only thing that does happen is a little bit higher re-injury risk going forward.
15:14Okay. Uh, for the first month of the season, Romeo Dobbso Dobbs was the wide receiver three.
15:20We talked about a bit on the, the mock draft that we just did from weeks six through 13.
15:26He was the wide receiver 38 really, really plummeted.
15:29Uh, let's stay with the wide receivers. So you're, we have a gang fight.
15:34Yeah. Like the Chicago bears for fantasy purposes, the Rome people, the burden people.
15:39What is the weapon that you have with Luther Burden?
15:42Cause I feel like with Roma, it's like a lead pipe.
15:46Okay. You know, it's like a, uh, it's not a speed weapon.
15:50You know, it's a big, uh, powerful weapon. That's, that's the, that's the Roma dunes.
15:55What is the Luther burden? Luther burden, you know, the, uh, um, the butterfly knife.
16:01Oh, definitely. It's the butterfly. Oh, absolutely. But it's still not that.
16:05No, it's not that big. And then in the end, that's not a knife.
16:09Right. And then it's like, Oh, who's going to win?
16:13And then Mr. Loveland's got a gun. It's just like, all right, we, we know how this plays out.
16:19So, but yeah, I, I like this. I like this gang fight mentality here.
16:24So let's get into our gang fight. Roma dunes, a V Luther burden.
16:29Okay. So Rome, uh, like we said, he, he started hot Luther burden.
16:33He was banged up in training camp, uh, you know, around there.
16:37So it took him longer to get integrated. And the truth is production wise, he didn't do a ton.
16:44Yeah. We do have, uh, weeks 14 through 17, where he had a 21% target share.
16:49And in that time, uh, Rome was hurt and Mr.
16:53Loveland was down at 17%. And then they got into the, to the playoffs and Colson Loveland said, give me that.
17:00Yeah. 28% target share for a rookie tight end in the playoffs is that's wild.
17:05That is, that is wild where I believe that's the, that's the signal of the answer to all Chicago Bears pass catchers.
17:12It is, it's Colson Loveland. There is the, the slight bugaboo of 42% of Mr.
17:18Loveland's points came in the fourth quarter. Cause if you recall the Chicago bears had a, I mean, probably cause the defense,
17:25but they had a habit of getting, uh, getting manhandled.
17:29And then in the fourth quarter, having a miracle comeback, uh, you know, often on the back of Colston Loveland, his draft
17:36price, he's going in the fourth, he's the tight end three.
17:40I think it's very worth taking on the, the, the risk for the upside for the wide receivers.
17:46I, we talked on the mock draft, the Luther burdens ADP.
17:50I, it's just so high and leaving little to no margin for error.
17:54He's drafted 10 wide receiver spots ahead of Rome as of this recording, which that's fine.
18:00So now, so part of the argument, that's fair.
18:03When, when you're talking about which guy you want, which guy could break out.
18:08Cause it's really important, like for fantasy football, for, for the footland that are making their decision, it's really important to get this right.
18:16Obviously we don't have the answer cause we have two different answers.
18:20One of us or neither of us has it.
18:23Um, but the argument I think for both of us is talent of the player and really not burden.
18:30It's talent of Rome. Right. I think that the reason that you love, cause we both like the talent of Luther burden.
18:37Yes. He looked great on the field. He has some, um, really nice metrics behind the scenes targets per route run and yards per route run are incredible.
18:47They are really incredible. Now on the flip side, he only had two really good games and everything else was kind of
18:54worthless, but it really comes down to what do you believe in Rome?
18:59You weren't a huge believer in Rome, the prospect coming into the NFL draft.
19:04I was much higher. Obviously he was drafted in the top 10.
19:08Um, I think he's a, I think he's an alpha.
19:11I think he is a, uh, a true wide receiver one for a team.
19:16And what I mean by that is the target earner, the guy who is going to, you know, if you look at
19:23the first seven games, um, I brought this up, uh, sometime in the off season, but you know, listeners were, were lower.
19:31The foot injury that started and caused all the problems with Rome, right?
19:35That started, um, heading into the week nine matchup against the bangles.
19:40And from that point on the rest of the season, he was literal hot garbage.
19:45I mean, you couldn't touch him because it was so stinky, but prior to that injury, the first seven games, he had
19:52a 25% market share of the team, 37% of the wide receiver targets.
19:57Uh, he was on pace for 135 total targets.
20:00He was the clear number one for the team got injured.
20:04And then it kind of went a bunch of different directions.
20:07I believe as he is currently healthy, he will be the number one target.
20:12Okay. Which would make him going in the sixth round is that's perfectly acceptable.
20:17I think I don't have a problem with, with where Rome is going and the, the, the upside.
20:23I don't, I don't know if burden is going to be on very many of my teams.
20:29It's just gotten to this point where it's the ADP is so out of control.
20:34And it doesn't seem like it's getting cheaper. People are still, people are still like steaming them up higher.
20:41They're like, Oh, I'll take up number one. So just that's what I would say.
20:46Be careful with that, with that ADP, the running backs.
20:49I really liked Deandre Swift. He is actually the only world.
20:53I know. I know it's, it's terrible. Uh, the only running backs to finish inside the top 24, each of the last
21:00six years, Derek Henry and Deandre Swift. He, no, no matter how much garbage I would talk about Deandre Swift, he would
21:08still be able to finish in totality with a bunch of fantasy points.
21:12Now the breakdown of Deandre Swift versus Kyle Monungay.
21:16Do do do do do. It's over the, over the second half.
21:20It got a lot closer in terms of Monungay.
21:23It was starting to be trusted by this team.
21:26He felt like a player, you know, cause I think he was a seventh rounder.
21:31I mean, he was a very late pick. He felt like a running back that could get replaced in the offseason.
21:38But I guess he built up enough trust and he's, it's going to be a timeshare.
21:44I, I prefer Deandre Swift because of the, the upside of, you know, he wasn't used as much as a pass catcher
21:51as he has been in his career, but he can do that.
21:55He, and he can do that. That's like his superpower.
21:59Yeah. In, in my evaluation of Deandre Swift, but you're, you just, you want pieces of, of, of this type of an offense.
22:07And I have no problem with where Deandre Swift is being drafted in, in our mock common guy was like a second to last pick or something.
22:16He was in the double digit rounds, which is like, that's incredible value.
22:20There's, there does exist a world where my non guy has more rushing touchdowns than Deandre Swift.
22:26That is true. I don't think there exists a world where he is a true 50, 50 timeshare or certainly not takes
22:34over the lead role over Swift while healthy. However, when you talk about insurance backs, there's not always a clear cut backup
22:41and there's not always a clear cut, um, opportunity should an injury happen.
22:46This is one of those that needs to be highlighted for this year.
22:50Should Deandre Swift go down to injury? It will be mon guy and he will be up towards league winner status simply
22:58because of the offense, the team, the way they want to run the ball.
23:02And what we saw him do, he was a seventh round pick.
23:07I'm not like bullish on mon guy. Uh, people think he's a flex with benefits.
23:12I don't see it that way. He got a lot of touchdowns last year and there was a little bit of a
23:19lot from week 10 on mon guy handled 45% of the carries.
23:23Yes. And it was about a 200 carry pace.
23:26Um, I just don't know that you're going to want to start that if he gets a touchdown, you're fine.
23:33But on a, on, on the reg, I don't think you're going to want to.
23:38However, there was one game Deandre Swift missed last year.
23:42It was week nine. And in that game you had 31 opportunities go to mon guy.
23:47So we have the proof that should Swift go down, mon guy will be pretty much a bell cow.
23:54I mean, right. 31 opportunities. He scored 21.3 fantasy points.
23:57It was 26 for 176. Who was it against?
24:00The bangles. Oh, Oh, grain of salt. But the point is they gave him everything.
24:06So I do like, I do like mon guy as a late round.
24:10That's why insurance back. Cause Caleb was the QB one against the Cincinnati bangles.
24:15The bangles are so nice to play against. They put a shellac in 47 to 42, man.
24:21I forgot that game got that crazy. Uh, there for the schedule, they open on the road against Carolina.
24:27Then it's Minnesota, Philly, the jets and the Packers.
24:30They are. So they're favored in five of their first six games.
24:34It's telling that they are favored against Minnesota and favored against Philadelphia.
24:38Both are at home. Minnesota is at home. Yeah.
24:42But Philly, I mean, that's, that's a, that's a tough matchup and they're currently favored.
24:47So, uh, yeah. All right. We're going to take a quick break and then we'll talk about the green Bay Packers.
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25:38Green Bay Packers were nine, seven and one. So they did not beat their 2025 projected win total of nine and a half this year, Jason.
25:47They are projected for ten and a half. It makes sense.
25:50The team finished nine, seven and one, but the team was nine, four and one before Jordan Love had a concussion in week 16.
25:59So this was a team at that point in time that looked like they were.
26:04I mean, honestly, they look like they were going to win the Super Bowl like they also before Micah Parsons.
26:11It was the Micah Parsons injury. And then that just destroyed their defense.
26:15He's so good. It's worth knowing that Michael Parsons will be back this year, but he will not be back at the beginning of the season.
26:24So and that's good for fantasy purposes. They're going to need to score more without Micah Parsons there.
26:30I expect he will start on the pup. He's come out and said like he's going to take his time and make
26:38sure he is completely ready if he misses half the season.
26:42And honestly, if you're the Packers, whatever, you're going to win enough games without him where you want him at full strength,
26:49fully healthy for when it matters in the playoffs.
26:52It's a good team. They were four and five in one score games.
26:57Warren Sharp has them down for the 14th toughest strength of schedule.
27:01So, you know, it's kind of right there in the middle offensively.
27:05It's a great team. And then the defense was very strong as well.
27:09Do you see this stat? Which one? This is this is an unbelievable stat.
27:14Christian Watson, Tucker Craft and Jaden Reed. Last year they did not play one snap together.
27:20That's crazy. That is. Wow. They just they just took turns being injured, I guess.
27:25Matt LaFleur, 76 wins tied for the second most in NFL history by a coach through their first seven seasons.
27:32So it's solid. Where people like. Yes. Yeah. I was going to people wanting to fire LaFleur.
27:37He was on the hot seat. People were getting sick.
27:41It was like he lost a couple of games after losing his two most important players.
27:46Goodness gracious people, man. There is. It's a long season and have some grace.
27:51Just take a break. I remember as a Cardinals fan trying to pile on.
27:56Yeah. Yeah. You should fire him. You should definitely fire him.
28:00And then we got the other LaFleur. So, you know.
28:03Yeah. Hopefully it's Matt's hair is much better. Oh my gosh.
28:07Then what my hair is better. Honestly, honestly, baby LaFleur.
28:10I hope you're great. I was rooting for you to get the job.
28:15You have too big a forehead to go straight up with your hair.
28:19You can't. Guys, guys, if you've got a big forehead, you've got to have some of the hair hit the forehead.
28:26That's just the rules. If you've got a really tiny.
28:30I don't make them. I don't. Yeah. Just follow them.
28:33If you've got a really tiny forehead from your eyebrows to your hairline.
28:38Woo. Go on. It's just math people. It's like vertical stripes.
28:41Right. Yes. Vertical or horizontal stripes. They do things.
28:45Anyways, the floors. All right. So Jordan Love, let's start there.
28:48He is a good quarterback. I, in fact, think Jordan Love is a great quarterback.
28:53The numbers for him among 38 qualifying quarterbacks with 200 or more drop backs.
28:58He's first in EPA with a clean pocket, sixth in passer rating, seventh in completion percentage over expectation, fourth in pressure to sack ratio.
29:07Like he is. Jordan Love is very, very good.
29:10I think he is a good quarterback. Definitely. I do not think he is a great quarterback.
29:15I think he is a good quarterback with a great offensive mind.
29:20And, and he's. Yeah. You can, you can give credit to the floor.
29:24He's in a system where, oh, we got the floor.
29:27See what I mean? Baby LaFleur is on the screen.
29:31Baby LaFleur. You just gotta just bring the hair down a touch.
29:35You've got great hair. You've got great hair. Yeah.
29:38Just don't do that with it. Um, anyways. Uh, yeah, I mean, so, uh, Matt LaFleur head coach of the Packers here.
29:46He is, he runs a great team, a great offense.
29:49He knows that, you know, the running game with Josh Jacobs helps them win ball games that opens things up for Jordan love puts him in great situations.
29:59I expect this to be definitely a top half offense.
30:02No matter what, I mean, last year, 11th in points per game.
30:06I think there'll be right around there. Not like one of the, uh, bangles, you know, lions barn burners that you expect
30:14to be putting up massive points every game, but they will be a top half off offensive, not a top third offense.
30:21And so you want pieces of it. There's a nebulous wide receiver room and let's talk about the running room first because
30:29it's, it's a lot clearer with, you know, it's cloudy with a chance of greatness, which is the clouds are Josh Jacobs
30:36has still some pending legal field issues. He was accused of, uh, domestic assault.
30:41Yes. He was, I believe he was arrested. Yes.
30:44Then new evidence came out. He was released as of this moment.
30:48What has happened is the legal team for Josh Jacobs has said they're happy with where it is and, uh, they expect nothing to come of it.
30:58I think legally it's probably gone. It's probably gone.
31:01However, it has also been reported that it is not case closed.
31:05There is still leaving room to investigate. So, um, there is, you know, in the, the risk rating for Josh Jacobs and the UDK will factor that in.
31:14Let's take that out and say he plays. Cause I do believe that he will play, you know, as many games as he's healthy for this season.
31:24I don't think he'll be suspended. I don't think he'll, um, be arrested.
31:28Uh, and in which case Josh Jacobs, he's a darn good pick, man.
31:33Um, he is, you don't have any concerns of like on the field.
31:37Yeah. No, I don't. Um, obviously last year he got injured.
31:41If, if you want to be, uh, you know, he did.
31:45And I mean, he's, he's still getting, his role is clear.
31:48Like he will be, he's the primary and featured running back of this team.
31:53Now he's the primary scorer of this team. What I love is that after the first half of the first season that
32:01he was a Packer, they figured out, holy crap.
32:04When we get around the goal line, let's give it to him.
32:08And they haven't changed. They haven't wavered. And he just scores touchdowns through the first nine games last year.
32:14He was on pace for 20 rushing touchdowns. And, and he's done that every year as a Packer.
32:21So I don't have fears. He was not even, he was a running back two or better every single game before the injury.
32:28And he had several games where he was a top 10 running back.
32:33And I'm seeing three games where he was a top five running back.
32:37Then he gets injured with the knee injury. Um, comes back way too fast, pushes through it.
32:43Still has good games for fantasy. And then flames out had that game where like, he's trying to play and the floor was mad at him.
32:52And then you got like a weird benching. Yeah.
32:55He got four carries in the game, even though he started it.
32:59So it was a weird end of the season.
33:02I think that's a really weighing on people's memory.
33:05Well, there's, there's that he's, uh, he's 20, essentially 28 and a half.
33:10He was not incredibly efficient. It like yards per carry.
33:13We say it's not everything, but it is, it's a piece of the puzzle.
33:18He was right there at four over the first month, still electric for fantasy football.
33:23But I mean, three and a half, 3.7, 1.9, 3.9.
33:27I, I, I, and where I was going is he is the featured running back, but the health of the other running
33:34backs of the team is specifically Marshawn Lloyd, I think has kind of forced more work on Jacobs than, than maybe the Packers really want to give him.
33:44Um, now a bet on Marshawn Lloyd getting injured has been a hundred percent hit, right?
33:49Yeah. Uh, we have six total carries through two years for Marshawn Lloyd, but he's currently healthy.
33:55And I, you know, I've been reading from beat reporters over what's been taking place over the summer that he, he looks great.
34:03He is a talented back. He was a, he was a day two pick.
34:08He was pick 88 in the third round, Marshawn Lloyd.
34:11I really liked them, uh, at a USC, very explosive and they don't have explosiveness with Jacobs.
34:17So they need the, they need that speed. Um, they're not going to have it.
34:22I do. I refuse to believe three years into the career that Marsha, the greatest, you know, it's, it's said over and
34:30over the most important attribute in a football player, the most important ability is availability, right?
34:35He doesn't have it. And so sure. One path towards Josh Jacobs, not being good as Marshawn Lloyd.
34:41Uh, that's, that's an easy bet for me to take the other side.
34:46There's that there's just Jacobs, uh, getting older, perhaps slowing down.
34:50Uh, and then will the, with it, with the game scripts allow for what they did last year, like, because the defense was so dominant and, but.
34:59You know, it like at the end of the year when, when they lost Micah Parsons, they were a very, very different defense.
35:07So like over the first part of the season, do you see any in risk that, that Jacobs won't be producing?
35:14I, I don't, I think for fantasy football, he is, he's near a bell cow.
35:19He is always given the touchdown opportunities and converts them.
35:23He's still involved in the passing game. Uh, he's paid to be their main starter.
35:28And so I, I don't have a lot of fear.
35:31The fear is age and injury. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, going right now is the running back 14.
35:38There are guys like when we did an early mock draft, we were talking about, we've got Amari and we drafted Amari and Hampton ahead of Josh Jacobs.
35:47And then we were looking at it and we're like, man, Josh Jacobs is just going to score more fantasy points.
35:54And that might be potentially true. I will say that the upside case at 29 is not, Josh Jacobs is not going
36:02to be a top three running back. He's not going to be a fantasy football breaker, which is why he's drafted as the running back 14 right now.
36:12Um, he can't do the high end, you know, outcome that some of these young bucks can do.
36:18Uh, but he will score a ton of fantasy points.
36:21I'm, I'm not even remotely worried about that. All right.
36:25The wide receiver position, it has been cleared as Romeo Dobbs is now a New England Patriot and Don Tavian Wicks is
36:32a Philadelphia Eagle leaving Christian Watson, Jaden Reed and Matthew Golden as your primary starting three wide receivers.
36:38How are I have expressed? I'm, I'm very interested in Christian Watson right now, especially when you talk about his price is going as the wide receiver 30.
36:48He just got another extension. He is, he is truly a curious case of, of a guy who doesn't really have a lot of statistics to his name.
36:58You know, as a rookie 611 yards, 422, 620, 611, a lot of that being injury related, you know, he's, he's capped
37:05out at 15 games a couple of years ago, but they keep paying him and they keep wanting him around and they,
37:13they were not, they were not aggressive in trying to bring Romeo Dobbs back and, and then trading wicks away.
37:19They're going forward with these, these three as their main wide receivers.
37:24How are you attacking the Packers wide receiver room?
37:27I think you app, I am attacking it. That's what I'm doing.
37:31The, the, you, you want all three of these guys.
37:34You, you want a piece. You want a shot because someone I think is going to be very relevant for fantasy.
37:41You still on Jaden Reed. Um, yeah, I, I do.
37:45I mean, last yet last episode, I took Jaden Reed over, over, uh, Matthew golden.
37:50I still want Matthew Golden as well. He's a first round, you know, second year player who is going to get the opportunity to be that dude.
37:59And I won't be surprised if like he comes out and he is the one he is the alpha.
38:06That's what they drafted him for the first time in whatever 10,000 years that they took a first round wide receiver.
38:13Optically it makes sense, but I would be pretty surprised.
38:16Well, I mean, there's a reason I can do, there's a reason I took Jaden Reed.
38:22We, we didn't like Matthew golden's collegiate tape. We were shocked that he was a first rounder.
38:28I had him as like a third round grade, which isn't bad, but it certainly isn't a star player.
38:34And then he really did get opportunities as a rookie and fail.
38:38I mean, Matthew golden. Here's a list of first round wide receivers over the last decade who failed to score a touchdown in the regular season.
38:47And keep in mind, he wasn't injured. He still failed to score a touchdown, right?
38:52Here's the list. Kevin white, Josh Doxon, uh, Laquan Treadwell, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross, Cadareous Tony and Matthew golden.
39:00So Mike Williams got it together. Corey Davis had a career and most of the list was bad considering that we went into last year.
39:08Not believe it. Hey, golden Laquan Treadwell is still in the league.
39:12That is unbelievable. What an accomplishment for a bad place.
39:16Kyle wants us to make sure. Yes. He scored a touchdown in the playoffs.
39:20Yes. We're talking about regular season, regular season. So, um, you, you want to take a bet here because nebulous wide receiver rooms on good offenses.
39:29You don't have to pay up for him. Right.
39:32Um, if I'm going to take a bet, the problem with Jaden Reed is not town.
39:38The problem with Jaden Reed is they refuse to play him in two wide receiver sets.
39:43If you're not on the field, you can't score fantasy points.
39:47So, which at some point you have to say there is a, you got to question something about the talent or at
39:55least the way that Matt LaFleur sees. I think they love how they use Jaden Reed.
40:00I don't see, I don't think they think of it as a negative.
40:05They think of him positively in the role he has.
40:08And so they've got that locked in. I don't, I don't necessarily think that's a lack of talent.
40:14I do think that there is a, a world where if they go halfway through the season and golden isn't getting it
40:22done and, or Christian Watson gets injured again. Now, all of a sudden Jane Reed isn't, you know, forced to be on the field to wide receiver sets.
40:31I think Jane Reed is a very good wide receiver.
40:35If he gets that opportunity, he'll do well, but we have to anticipate that Christian Watson and Matthew golden.
40:41Those are the two wide receivers on the field.
40:44The most in two wide receiver sets. Um, Christian Watson has proven a lot more than Matthew golden.
40:51So I, I take my bets, Christian Watson, Jaden Reed, Matthew golden in that order.
40:56Um, all three are worthy picks and fancy football for where they're going.
41:00They, you know, the, the risk is already baked in.
41:04All right. And then Tucker craft. Hey, see, now we've got to talk about a man.
41:09Oh, Tucker craft bully. Oh, it was happening. It was, he was their wide receiver one.
41:15It was happening. The breakout, you know, week two, the tight end one with six for 124 and a score has a
41:22couple down games, but then after the bi-week. So it's just, we, we talk about that a lot of it coming out of the bi-week.
41:31Like that's where teams can start making some adjustments out of the bi-week.
41:35Tucker craft tight end. Nine, seven, one gets the unfortunate injury, tears his ACL.
41:40So he's out for the remainder of the season.
41:43How I have kind of proclaimed. I'm just, I'm going to go for it.
41:48I'm going to say, screw it. I think he'll be ready at the beginning of the year.
41:54I can handle a couple slower games at the beginning of the season while Tucker craft is, is re acclimating, you know,
42:01starting trying to figure out if he trusts his knee or not.
42:05He's just, he's so dominant. He, his athleticism is off the charts.
42:09And I said, like, I like Jordan love there.
42:13I think the most realistic expectation for the Packers is, you know, a wash, rinse, repeat type of thing where it's, we
42:20try to win with, with the running game, but should things change and they call on Jordan love, you know, you had
42:28the Jordan love had that season that, you know, his first season, let me pull up the numbers, his first season as
42:35a starter complete 64% of his passes throws for over 4,100 yards and 32 touchdowns.
42:40Like Jordan love is very capable in this, especially in this offense to get it done.
42:46And there's a chance that that could open back up.
42:49But so where are you though? Jay with Tucker craft.
42:53Look, he's probably their best weapon. Um, if he, if he didn't get that injury with the knee, he would be drafted ahead of Colson Loveland right now.
43:02Because what he was doing, yeah, probably what he was doing last year.
43:07Um, he was on pace prior, prior, including before the bi-week.
43:10So the whole season prior to the knee, he was on pace for 1139 receiving yards.
43:16That number last year, only one tight end Trey McBride got over a thousand yards and he was on pace for 1139.
43:23You look back, there were some injuries last year, go back two years ago to see like, okay, uh, what is 1139 receiving yards?
43:32How does that factor in Brock Bowers, Trey McBride and George Kittle were the only wide receivers or only tight ends at 1100 yards.
43:40So he was in the alpha a tier, right?
43:43I think when we talk about this nebulous wide receiver room, the answer is probably Tucker craft.
43:49The whole issue is the knee. The whole issue is the timeline to come back.
43:54I don't think he will be at full strength week one.
43:58It does seem surprisingly, I mean, it's, it's less surprising now, but for the timeline and the expectation when the injury happened
44:05and then the off season seem like, well, Tucker craft's going to start the season on the pop.
44:11It doesn't seem like that. It seems like Tucker craft will be playing football in week one.
44:17I do think he gets off to a slightly so slow start, but if it's like last year where it's like, ah,
44:25you got to deal with four down weeks from a tight end.
44:29Uh, okay. You have to, whether you get him or not for most of them.
44:34Right. But then you have the opportunity to have a true breakout.
44:38I am totally fine. Uh, grabbing Tucker craft. He was, he was truly, uh, uh, a bully out there right now.
44:45He's going in about, you know, uh, the, the end of the sixth or, you know, middle of the sixth round or so.
44:53I think that's truly that that's acceptable for the amount of risk their first six games.
44:59Jay, they are favored in all of them. That is nice.
45:03Even starting favorite on the road, the road against Minnesota.
45:06On the road against the jets, almost a touchdown favorite.
45:09Oh my gosh. Jets, Atlanta, Tampa, Chicago, Dallas. Yeah, that those are, those are.
45:14And without Micah Parsons for that stretch is juicy.
45:17That is an interesting opening schedule for man. When you combine everything that's going on fantasy football wise in like draft cost for these guys.
45:26I mean, that, that is very intriguing to me.
45:29That's, that's a feather in the cap of Josh Jacobs.
45:32If you're favored in all those games and you're wearing those games, that's touchdowns, that's leads.
45:38Uh, that's the running game. All right. We're going to take a quick break and then we'll talk about the Vikings.
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46:20Minnesota, nine and eight. Nine. Yeah. It's a curse.
46:23Nine. It's a blessing. Nine got them to nine and eight, beating their projected win total of eight and a half.
46:31In one score games, they were five and four.
46:34And, uh, unfortunately after week 13 or I'm sorry, not unfortunately the opposite.
46:38They were four and eight and then they won their final five games.
46:43That was enough for four of those five games with JJ McCarthy.
46:47I say that that was enough for the team to be like, ah, let's go get Kyler Murray.
46:53Yeah. We'll see what he could do. Uh, they played 10 games versus teams with a winning record.
46:59That's the most in the NFL league. The Viking season, what they were able to accomplish with what was going on.
47:06And I think that's solid. And that, that's a big shout out to KOC.
47:11Kevin O'Connell is a great coach. The coaching in this division is unfair to this division.
47:17Right. It's the only division in the NFL that is returning all four head coaches, I believe.
47:22And the reason they are is because they're all just so dang excellent.
47:27Like, I mean, I don't even know which one I'd like, who would you want the most of these four?
47:34Of the coaches? Of these coaches. I think I got my pick, but like if you get one coach to start a
47:41franchise, you can trade from any of these man, four teams.
47:45I think I'm, I think I'm taking O'Connell. Oh, okay.
47:48I think. Where are you taking? I think I'm going Dan Campbell.
47:53But I mean, there's no wrong answer here. There this year, their projected win total is eight and a half.
47:59So that's, that's not too shabby. Warren Sharp has them with the 17th toughest schedule.
48:05The defense was top tier. I mean, the defense is what was keeping them in games as their offensively points per game, 26, the yards per game, 28.
48:14Their last two wins they scored, well with JJ McCarthy, they scored 16 points in each of them.
48:20Wins. Nice. Yeah. That's getting it done. Defense very, very strong.
48:24But let's start with the quarterback position. Oh, gross.
48:27It is almost certainly going to be Kyler Murray.
48:30I, I know. Did you see the interview? Uh, I think it was, no, it wasn't Eisen.
48:36Um, but it was, uh, it was an interview with him and they were talking about the, he was talking about his competition at quarterback.
48:45Um, and McCarthy was or Kyler? Uh, no, uh, uh, uh, the head coach, uh, KOC O'Connell.
48:51Yeah. O'Connell was in an interview. Oh, okay. Um, who's Andy's favorite guy?
48:55I can't, I can't remember why I can't think of the broadcast name.
48:59Uh, uh, uh, Dan, Dan Patrick, Dan Patrick. Sorry, Dan Patrick.
49:03You're amazing. Dan Patrick was interviewing and Kevin O'Connell's like talking about the, uh, you know, is there, they're going to have
49:11this competition and Patrick's just like, yeah, I think Kyler Murray will be a very good quarterback for you this year.
49:18And then Kevin O'Connell just stares at him for five seconds, like death ray.
49:23He doesn't know how to respond. It was so awkward.
49:26So there is going to be a competition here.
49:29Kyler, everyone assumes Kyler will win it based on seeing JJ McCarthy.
49:33What I was saying is it's almost certainly Kyler.
49:36I don't think it's impossible. I know I've been running a bit of like, well, what if JJ McCarthy wins the job?
49:44It's not impossible. It isn't to me. Uh, like if you're in training camp and Kyler is like, Kyler can lose the job.
49:52Yes. He's just sort of better than McCarthy. Well, at that point, I don't know if I'm the coach, I'm just going
49:59to put McCarthy out there and, and see what happens for the first half of the year.
50:05But what we know is before JJ McCarthy quarterbacks for Kevin O'Connell are awesome.
50:10They're awesome for fantasy football. You know, we, in terms of their past percentage, they were 11th.
50:16Like this team throws the ball. O'Connell doesn't really care.
50:19We had Carson Wentz had a couple of games this year where he was just out there slinging it before he was just absolutely sacrificed on the field.
50:29But it's okay. Let's sit. Let's move forward. I would rather have put a dead battered, broken beaten down Carson Wentz out there than nine.
50:37I remember it was like, well, yeah, nine at he was hurt.
50:42And then we had a, what was a, uh, uh, Brosmer, Max Brosmer, which, who, when we got to see why he
50:49didn't, he wasn't been put on the field to remember.
50:53And I don't, I don't know. Maybe this was totally 100% fully legit.
50:57Um, it felt like the, towards the end of his ankle injury, JJ McCarthy, that it was like, he could be back and they just don't want.
51:06Do you remember? Like it was like, there was, it wasn't a soft benching that they were hiding behind an injury.
51:13There were rumors of that. Yeah. And we don't know for sure, but it certainly seemed like that.
51:20I mean, that was a long time for that injury.
51:23It's probably, yes. And that was definitely possible. But also in the, cause people are like, well, I didn't even see him get hurt.
51:31But then we saw the play where the, where what happened to his ankle.
51:36He's like, Oh no, that definitely he's hurt. It's just how bad is he hurt?
51:41Okay. So Kyler, let's say he gets the job.
51:44He does since, uh, since 2019, he has the fourth most rushing yards per game with, uh, with minimum 50 starts.
51:52You have Lamar fields hurts. And then there's Kyler with even, he's got more on average per game than Josh Allen.
51:59He's got amazing talent in the legs that if utilized, if coached well, he should be able to very much dominate for fantasy football.
52:07He's got better weapons than he's had in many, many years.
52:11And I think he's got a better coaching setup than he's had in many years.
52:16If, uh, Kyler comes out and is the quarterback seven this year, shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
52:22He's a late round dart throw right now that when you look at the values, if you don't want to take the
52:29Josh Allen early, what you, you know, you don't want to spend a third, fourth or fifth round pick on one of the known studs.
52:38Then the normal strategy is what late round mobile quarterbacks are available.
52:42Cause those are the ones that could really leapfrog to breaking fantasy.
52:46And so you got Jackson dart. Kyler Murray is definitely in that category.
52:50If he can get coached to run the ball better, more and less like a coward than, um, he should be good for fantasy.
52:59But she, he did run last year. I mean, he, he was right there with his average.
53:05Uh, he was where he was averaging 34 and a half rushing yards per game.
53:10Uh, so if it's, if it's Kyler, how do you feel about Justin Jefferson?
53:14You got to feel better. Um, you know, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, when Carson Wentz came in,
53:22uh, with Justin Jefferson, Justin Jefferson was, was fine.
53:25He was on pace for like 170 targets, 1600 receiving yards.
53:29You don't, that was a five game stretch. And you don't remember that because it was kind of mired in what was a terrible season.
53:37He finished as wide receiver 22, didn't miss a game, still had 141 targets.
53:42And it was just out of sorts. I, we've seen Kyler support Hopkins in the past.
53:48Um, and, and this is, you know, Hopkins in his prime and Justin Jefferson in his prime is better than Hopkins in his prime.
53:56So I do think that if Kyler is the quarterback, I'm much more confident in Justin Jefferson being back to a top end wide receiver.
54:05Now that the one thing worth knowing, Kyler does not throw touchdowns.
54:09Like, you know, he is going to be someone that you're hoping for 20 passing touchdowns.
54:14Um, and so the yardage should be there. The targets should be there.
54:19That is true. Kyler over his career, uh, 26 was his highest in terms of passing touchdowns for.
54:25So, um, I don't view Justin Jefferson obviously as a talent.
54:29You can put him right up in that top tier upper echelon, maybe the best wide receiver in football for fantasy purposes.
54:36In 2026. Um, I see him as a back end wide receiver one.
54:41Okay. Like seven, 12. And what if it's nine?
54:44Are you, if it's nine Jefferson, but not, I'm certainly not drafting Jefferson at cost.
54:49Cause he's not going to plummet in drafts. He's Justin freaking Jefferson.
54:53Um, you know, he's going to be up there high.
54:56And, uh, we, we had enough evidence last year, not that JJ can't get better, but I think where he's going in
55:04drafts, unless he's plummeting to a value. I mean, he's going, uh, every, you know, every place I've seen, he goes ahead of AJ Brown.
55:12I would rather have AJ Brown than Justin Jefferson by a country mile.
55:17Sure. The running back position. There's guys there. And you need to take a shot.
55:22And you need to take a shot. We got Aaron Jones.
55:26He is back. He's going as the running back 36.
55:29Jordan Mason is going as the running back 43.
55:32Now when Aaron Jones returned from, uh, like he, he got a little bit banged up, but from week eight on, he averaged over 15 opportunities per game.
55:42That's a 32% uh, workhorse rating. Like he was getting a bunch of opportunities.
55:47This is a team you, you want to take a shot.
55:50I, I, I still fluctuate between the two of them who I really prefer between Jones and Jordan Mason.
55:57Just Jordan Mason's the better on the ground, but we know we want our fantasy running backs to catch the ball, which Aaron Jones can still do that.
56:07Even. Even. I mean, he's. You want to talk about old Aaron Jones is 31.
56:12So it's Aaron Jones senior now. And he didn't have a kid.
56:16They, he just got old enough where they said, uh, okay, you want senior on the Jersey?
56:22Okay. Yeah, that's fine. So I, this is going to be a good offense is my projection of, so I would be taking shots on those two guys.
56:31It would in the draft yesterday or, uh, the last, uh, episode in our mock, you, we, we both took these guys.
56:39Mm-hmm. Um, at, towards the end of the round and you had the first opportunity, you chose Aaron Jones.
56:45Yes. Had I been in your spot, I would have taken Jordan Mason.
56:50Okay. I think some of the quotes that I've seen coming out, um, not just, I, I saw a quote, um, from,
56:57uh, Matthew Collar, a Minnesota insider that was talking about how this is Jordan Mason's backfield.
57:03Aaron Jones will spell and eat into passing notes.
57:06I, but I, he, he responded to me on Twitter and he's like, he wanted to walk that back a little bit.
57:13Sure. Those aren't the quotes though, that make me believe it is going to be Jordan Mason.
57:19It was actually Kevin O'Connell talking about how they have to fix the running game this year.
57:25They were really, really, really upset with the running game last year and they need to figure out a more permanent solution.
57:33And, um, I just don't know at this stage of the career, if you can fix it and really have a permanent
57:40solution with Aaron Jones senior at 32 years old being the cure.
57:44And I think Jordan Mason could, if they can figure out how to utilize his skillset a little better.
57:51And so that's why I'm putting Jordan Mason ahead, but, um, both should have a shot taken on them.
57:57Uh, other wide receivers, Jordan Addison, he's still there.
58:00They did bring Jawan Jennings into the fold on a one year deal.
58:05I honestly don't think there's a lot to talk about.
58:08No, it's Justin Jefferson. And then, and, and Hey, TJ Hawkinson.
58:12Oh man, he got old so quick. He got old.
58:15So, so quick. It, it was, it was really, really fast.
58:19He is 29 years old. No man. He feels like he's 43.
58:23He really does. Um, I haven't seen him recently, but I assume he, his beard is entirely gray.
58:29It's gotta be, it has to be at 29 years old.
58:33Um, you know, he was always hockey leaves or Hawk strap.
58:37I think he's Hawk strap. Now. Um, this is a guy who, uh, served his purpose.
58:43He was a top five tight end three times, uh, in his first five years.
58:48But you know, he, he just doesn't have, I mean, 8.6 yards per catch last year.
58:53I see more of the same. It's dink and dunk it's volume.
58:57Um, he's just 8.6. Yeah. I mean, it's, I don't, I don't care.
59:02I don't care about Hawkinson Detroit lions. They were nine and eight.
59:06They did not meet their projected win total of 10 and a half.
59:10They were three and five and one score games.
59:13They were the second most injured team in the NFL.
59:17Number one. When you're talking about the defense. Oh man, it was, they were really, really beat up.
59:23And then already this off season, they cut a guy.
59:26Oh, for kidnapping. Um, that's a new one. Uh, yeah.
59:30Uh, it's like their, their curse on the defense.
59:33I feel like this is a couple of years in a row where you look, you look and you go, wow, they could have a really good defense.
59:43Nope. Psych. Like, it's just, I think they'll, I think they'll be much, much better on the defensive side of the ball.
59:50Vegas agrees projected win total 10 and a half and Warren sharp has them listed as the easiest strength of schedule this year.
59:58They are favored in 14 of their first 15 games.
60:01Yeah. I mean, this was one of the advantages that the Chicago bears had last year.
60:07They had the fourth place schedule. But when you finish last in a division, you get the best schedule.
60:13And when you're like second or third in a division, it really doesn't matter.
60:18The, the meat of the NFL teams are the, you know, the, there's, there's so much parody in the NFL that any team can beat any team.
60:27But when you get the fourth place and you get the, you're getting the losers, you're getting a couple of your extra
60:35games that you get that other people don't get are against the losers.
60:39And those guys are like the, the giants, Tennessee and Arizona.
60:43Yeah. So, um, uh, spoiler, I'm going to put the Detroit lions first in the division at the end because I think
60:51that their schedule, all these teams are good. And their schedule is easy enough where I expect them to, to win the most games.
60:59Jared golf always puts up incredible passing numbers. Sometimes he's really, really good for fantasy.
61:04Uh, last year he finished as the, the QB nine.
61:08I mean, he just, he'll finish in the top 10.
61:11Yes. But it's, he will, he will accumulated enough stats by the end to be a top 10 guy and don't draft them on the last two years.
61:21Like his bust games. They're very low, but the great games are, he just, he lives in good for, for the most of the time.
61:29He, he will have some spike weeks from time to time, but he's really more of a consistency chart.
61:36Um, his consistency score, which is the percentage of games where you exceed basically a, a, a, just a good total in
61:43four point passing touchdown leagues is 35% of his games.
61:47He does that it's a D and this is for a guy who ironically, his season long consistency is always there.
61:54He was the quarterback eight and he was a D in consistency.
61:58You don't want him as your weekly every week starter.
62:01What you do want is pick them up off of waivers, play them in the, the right barn burner matchup against great offense at home.
62:10Uh, those, those type of environments. And yeah, we'll see if their defense fixes that it'll be even tougher.
62:16But if they're, if their defense kind of collapses and gets hurt again, then, then golf will be more in play.
62:24Aiden Hutchinson is healthy. Yeah. Uh, Jameer Gibbs is the talk of the off season as David Montgomery is now on the Houston Texans.
62:32He is, Jameer Gibbs is electric. He is either he's everybody's either running back one or running back two.
62:38Honestly, I don't have a lot to say about Jameer Gibbs because he's just, he's that good.
62:44He's either the first or like he won't make it out of the top three.
62:49You know, we had a, we did a three wide receiver mock camp.
62:54Believe him third. No, I got, wait, did I get Gibbs or Bijon?
62:58I thought I got Bijon. Well, it, it doesn't matter.
63:02He is, he's going to be great. Just, just draft him.
63:05There's really not a lot to break down here, but let's talk about your guy, Jason.
63:11Sam Laporta, your favorite tight end from someone you just were dunking on nonstop for the beginning of the off season to a player.
63:19You can't stop drafting. Well, it really is opportunity cost.
63:23I refuse to take a middle round tight end.
63:26It is terrible strategy. You are, you are deleting opportunities to take players at wide receiver and running back who can really end up making an impact.
63:35They don't all make an impact, but you get more opportunities, more lottery tickets to grab that running back or wide receiver
63:42in the middle rounds who does break out, who was George Pickens last year, who, you know, just really makes a huge difference.
63:50Whereas, Laporta in those rounds will not make a huge difference versus the field.
63:55Um, I, I've talked about that analytically ad nauseum, but he's not in the middle of, he's not in the middle rounds anymore.
64:03He's not the fifth tight end off the board anymore.
64:06And he is talented enough. He is on an offense good enough.
64:11He has the touchdown opportunities enough where he checks all the boxes.
64:15This was never an anti-Laporta. This was, uh, Laporta's not a difference maker over average tight ends to give up opportunity cost in middle rounds.
64:23He's been slipping. I've got him in the ninth round, the 10th round.
64:28I love that. I love getting Laporta. If I'm near the double digit rounds where I'm not giving up that much.
64:35Now he does make a little difference. I would much rather have him than Kyle Pitts.
64:40Um, you know, but, um, it doesn't, it doesn't cost you much.
64:45So I, I, I think if Laporta stays cheap, I am in.
64:49It's so funny. Which transitions nice into this conversation about Jamison Williams because Jamison Williams, when Laporta is off the field, is
64:56an absolute demon and puts up huge points. We're talking a split from 48 yards per game.
65:02When, when Laporta plays with Jamison Williams. And then when Laporta is off the field, Jamison is up to 85 yards per game.
65:10The issue with that statistic is that there were two things that happened.
65:14One Laporta got injured. And so Jamo was way better.
65:18And so it looks, you know, like, wow, when he's off the field, that's what caused it.
65:24But the other thing that happened was Dan Campbell was really unhappy.
65:28You know, they lost Ben Johnson and they, they didn't have an answer at offensive coordinator or play calling.
65:34He took over the play calling duties. He's, he did not like how they were involving these weapons of theirs.
65:41And all of a sudden they involved Jamison Williams.
65:44He was great. And so it's probably a both, but it could be an either or.
65:50It could just be, look, with Laporta not there, Goff was, Goff looked to his next read.
65:55And that next read was Jamison Williams. And he exploded.
65:59It could be solely that Dan Campbell was like, we've got to get the ball in this explosive player's hands more.
66:06And so I'm going to call plays for it.
66:09We don't know, but I don't think we can just assume it is when Laporta's off the field.
66:15Andy would be upset. He's missing here. Andy. Wide receiver 27.
66:19Are you interested in Jamison? So I have a really difficult time with Jamison.
66:24I'm not. And Andy would totally be in. I, I don't know.
66:28Fantasy philosophy. Talk to me about this, Mike, because I find that I don't really love the boom bust guys.
66:35Okay. The guys who will win you a week, but they'll lose you a week.
66:40And that, that is Jamison Williams. He'll finish way above wide receiver 27.
66:44Like he will. So if you're drafting him as the 27th wide receiver off the board and all that matters is that
66:52he finishes higher than wide receiver 27, that's a great pick.
66:56The process of getting to those fantasy points is not always fun because you're going to have games where he just disappears.
67:03I don't know that, that I enjoy those types.
67:06Andy does enjoy those types. Where do you stand and who's like, what is the right way to think about it?
67:14I mean, it, you can build your teams in different ways.
67:17I'm, I like those types of players because when they aren't.
67:21I think I'm a chicken. When they're not an early pick, you know, like when my draft capital is, is burned on
67:29them, but in the back of the fifth or the early sixth round, Jamison Williams, I think he's a really solid pick
67:36that you, I like to have players. Those, the, you know, the, the nitro, you put them in the flex or it's your wide receiver.
67:45He, he could be your wide receiver three and that would be like, that's a scary combination of if you have two
67:52better receivers and then Jamison's your third. Yes. That was so, and with just roster construction.
67:58So that's how I prefer to construct my roster.
68:01Uh, so I'm, I'm in, I think Jamison Williams is, I think he's a good pick.
68:06I, I, I don't mind it. I mean, look, this is an offense that should score an absolute magma amount of points.
68:14You know, this is like, we talk about the Packers.
68:17The Packers are a good offense or top half offense, maybe a top third offense.
68:23This is one of those teams where I expect them to score a ton of points.
68:28You want players on here. Uh, the team should be somehow even more explosive without David Montgomery.
68:34Uh, you know, no, at no fault to him and all credit to Jameer Gibbs.
68:39I saw a stat about like the per game fantasy points of every player in the history of, um, and I, I
68:47don't, I don't remember who tweeted this out. It was neat.
68:50I'm sorry. I can't give you credit, but I also can't even quote you accurately because this is just off the dome.
68:58So what, um, but it was basically the per game fantasy points.
69:02Are you saying anything right? Eh, not really. Per game fantasy points for like all players, LaDainian Tomlinson, Christian McCaffrey.
69:09And then one of the players was Jameer Gibbs in games without David Montgomery.
69:14Oh, okay. And he was lapping the field. Yeah.
69:17LaDainian Tomlinson, Christian McCaffrey. They had nothing on him.
69:20So it is a really exciting prospect with this offense without David Montgomery.
69:24Yeah. Uh, it's also worth saying. And I, I, I talked about on the, on the mock draft at the end, uh,
69:32last episode, Isaiah Pacheco is not good, but this offense, this offensive line is good.
69:37If Gibbs goes down, someone will have a ton of opportunities to score touchdowns.
69:42David Montgomery, Montgomery is vacating 34 red zone carries and 14 inside the five.
69:47He's vacating. That's wild. A hundred and 58 rushing attempts as well.
69:51There, you cannot give David, you cannot give Gibbs all that the lions did last year.
69:56The running game of the lions cannot all go to Gibbs.
70:00He'll die. So there, there will be someone else of relevance.
70:04Um, and then certainly a, uh, an important insurance back, which right now appears to be Pacheco.
70:09All right. So put the other three teams in order of the division, Jay.
70:14For me, it's going to go, um, this one in what is maybe the most difficult division seems very clear cut to me.
70:22Uh, it goes lions, Packers, bears, Vikings. That's how I have it too.
70:27Oh, all right. Clear to both of us. No, sorry.
70:30We can't argue about it. That's going to do it for today's show.
70:35The NFC South on Tuesday. Andy will be back.
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