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0:08I got a little nervous you weren't gonna remember to do it.
0:12Does he have to time that up? I mean, he just hits the button.
0:17Does he have the ability? Yeah, I was a little late, I'll be honest.
0:21Okay. Yeah, he wasn't happy with it. We'll lock it in.
0:25So you're breaking out the graphics for Steelers-Browns, huh?
0:27That's the first time you want to break them out?
0:31That's right. For our... Watson-Rogers. Upcoming dominant Cleveland Browns victory.
0:34Yes, Mike! Yes! I'm on that side. Browns bros!
0:37Oh man, what could go wrong? Wow. Now, is that the game we've got the money on?
0:42Yeah, we got the money on. Fantastic. You can't keep track of how much stuff you got money on.
0:48Can you? Can you? It's literally the only thing I have money on right now.
0:53Okay, fair enough. Well, we do get football tonight, and week four of this season begins, so it'll be fun.
0:59It's fun. Week four is a fun week, because after that is...
1:03You start to feel like, okay, we're getting a handle on what's going on with these defenses, who we actually have to target.
1:10I know, I've been... You also start bi-weeks next week.
1:13Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, we have some fun Sunday-Monday night matchups too.
1:17Like, I think it's Lions-Carolina on Sunday night football.
1:20Oh, is that Sunday night? Yeah. Because that game is going to have approximately two bajillion points.
1:26That Sunday night, and yeah, Carolina's defense not good and more beat up.
1:30See what their quarters? Yeah. I'm excited. Are you excited?
1:33Because I have like Gibbs and Amon-Ra against you that night.
1:36Because we're playing each other. Are you excited about that?
1:39No. Okay. That part I'm not. I mean, I'm excited to watch the game.
1:44On Monday Night Football, you have... I have Tyler Shuck, Bijan, and Devon Vele.
1:48Yeah, I'm not excited about that. Yeah. But I am for the game.
1:52So that's fantasy football in a nutshell. But it should be a fun week.
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2:18We're going to jump into the news. News and notes from around the league.
2:22Oh, I didn't see this. Thursday Night Football Steelers have ruled out running back Rico Dowdle.
2:27I had last seen that they were thinking he was going to be back, so it'll be all Jalen Warren tonight.
2:34Sean McVay said he expects Puka Nakua to play in week four against the Eagles.
2:38Okay. Okay. I mean, that's great news for all Puka managers, as someone who has the Higby-Ferguson combo everywhere.
2:44I'm like, oh, man. But glad he's healthy. Yeah, that does change the equation for the spot start of Mr.
2:51Higby. Yeah. He might have been dropped in many leagues this morning.
2:54Yeah, that news changes things. Jalen Waddell practicing in full despite the report of a precautionary walking boot.
3:00Mike Evans did not practice on Wednesday. The news from their general manager, John Lynch, was that he's going to do everything
3:07he can to play through everything he can because, I don't know, probably at his age he has to play through something all the time.
3:15You're telling me he's going to do everything? Not just most of the things?
3:19I think he's going to try to do everything.
3:22What a guy, Mike Evans. So let's say you're getting Puka Nakua back, right?
3:26You're one of those managers. You made accommodations for Puka Nakua.
3:30And let's just say the two wide receivers that you had in at the time were Tett McMillan and Jamison Williams, two somewhat underperforming draft picks.
3:38Who would you put Puka in over? This week, unless weather changes things later.
3:42Both are matchups are good as they play each other.
3:46Yeah, I really like Tettoroa this week so long as the weather is okay.
3:50I mean, obviously, the weather is going to be the same for both of them.
3:55So I would prefer McMillan this week. Yeah, I see a little rainy, rainy on Sunday Night Football.
4:00It should easily be McMillan. Right. But, I don't know, man.
4:04That second half was just heartening. Coker's going to be out, so it should be a lot of McMillan this week.
4:10No, we don't. We just know that Jalen Coker didn't practice Wednesday.
4:14He hasn't been ruled out yet. Correct. Yeah, I think he'll be out.
4:18Justin Jefferson considered day to day, did not practice on Wednesday.
4:22And then Jalen Coker, like you said, didn't practice on Wednesday either.
4:26But that's all we have by way of news.
4:28Not too much today. Let's jump into the starts.
4:31Starts of the week. Brought to you by Apple Card.
4:34All right, boys. I'll kick it off here at the wide receiver position, Tettoroa McMillan.
4:39Okay. I see what we're doing. That is my start.
4:42Is that really what it is? Yes. Okay. Yes, it is.
4:46You really slow played your excitement for him in the last segment.
4:50Yeah. I kind of like that guy this week.
4:52I have the lead. There's a little lead in.
4:55Look. No, but seriously, play him. Tettoroa McMillan, people are very disappointed.
4:59Had... I am very disappointed. Yeah, and I get it.
5:02But the reason you're disappointed is because he's a really good player and he's not showing it.
5:07But the utilization has still been pretty good. 23% first read target share.
5:12He's had four red zone targets, three in zone targets.
5:15Those are very valuable. Unfortunately, hasn't come down with the touchdowns.
5:18This just happens. The help is in the way of the Lions pass defense.
5:2329th in fantasy points allowed to wide receivers. 29th in receptions allowed.
5:2629th in receiving yards allowed there. They are a great matchup.
5:30And Tettoroa McMillan, I think what's happened is Jalen Coker looks awesome.
5:34Yeah. And so now we have to hate Tettoroa McMillan and we don't.
5:38No, no, no. But I'm saying as a people.
5:40I don't think so. As a people, that's the vibe that I'm getting.
5:45I think I see that out there. I see like because I think maybe I think Jalen Coker is better than Tettoroa McMillan.
5:52Now people are like crapping all over like he's bad.
5:55He's not a bad wide receiver. He's all alone.
5:58It's a perfect matchup. I can't imagine not starting him again.
6:01Pay attention to the weather. It sucks that it's a Sunday night game for weather, but there is a world where maybe you would flip off of him.
6:10But if the weather is not prohibited. Currently showery overcast in miles.
6:14That's fine so far. Last I saw was like five mile an hour wind.
6:18That's fine. Dude. Big dome. If that Sunday night matchup gets ruined by weather, big dome is we're dropping the hammer on Monday.
6:25If he's going to be ruined for Jameer Gibbs, he'll be fine, Mike.
6:30Maybe. And the league leader in passing yards, Bryce Young.
6:33This is not a dome problem. This is an El Nino problem.
6:37It's a super El Nino year. You building domes just for one like 100 year event?
6:42Yeah, I am. Yeah, for sure. Super El Nino doesn't happen enough.
6:45Because in a hundred years from now, when my great grandchildren are start putting their fancy lineups in.
6:51You want them to be protected. I want them to know that great great grandpa started right here.
6:57Great great grandpa was soft. He liked a roof.
6:59He liked a roof. He liked a roof. If he liked anything.
7:03Let me guess. You have a roof on your house too?
7:07Yeah. Most of it. Soft. Soft. Soft. Josh Downs at Washington is my start of the week at wide receiver since we're starting there.
7:14He exceeded a 30% target share and 45% air yard share in each of the last two games.
7:20He was my trade for one of the trade for candidates.
7:23I was a big fan of yesterday that you brought up and like his expected fancy points in the last two games was very high.
7:31He just didn't land on the opportunity share. I think it's going to happen this week.
7:36Washington is a great matchup. Dead last and fancy points allowed to wide receivers.
7:41So when I say great matchup, I mean the greatest.
7:44His first read targets are off the chart. And it was this way last year.
7:49Where would you throw the football? It was this way last year with the Colts as well.
7:54It's like they design plays for someone. And it's like he is the one right now with Alec Pierce gone and Keenan looking bad and Pittman gone.
8:02So it's, I think Tyler Warren's awesome. Josh Downs is awesome.
8:06Yeah. I'm going with my trade target from yesterday.
8:09We're going with George Pickens. Okay. Against Houston. We got it.
8:12Like we're in week three, you know, or we're in week four.
8:16So far, Houston through the air, 30th and explosive pass play rate 30th and fantasy points allowed to opposing wide receivers.
8:23I mean, if we have another game of people just crushing Houston through the air that you got to start changing your
8:29opinion of should we be afraid of the Houston Texans right now?
8:33I'm not. And George, when you're talking to discrepancy between expected fantasy points and actual fantasy points, he has the second largest gap.
8:40Only Michael Wilson is underperforming. His touchdowns are on the way.
8:44Yes. Jason, where do you want to go next?
8:47We'll go to the quarterback position and all of us, Shuck, Shuck, yeah, just could unite.
8:52Tyler Shuck is out there. You're getting in. Oh, yeah.
8:55I mean, I love Tyler Shuck. I wouldn't trade him to you in our dynasty league, Mike.
9:00You tried and I said, well, you would have.
9:03I just, I wouldn't pay your price. Yeah, exactly.
9:06My price is high. Monday night football in a dome.
9:09Fantastic. Quarterback three on the season. He's looked really great.
9:12And we've talked about this a lot. The saints, the, the, the saints are so uptempo.
9:17You basically get an extra five drop backs, like an extra drive.
9:21You don't every single game. You don't understand how upset my son is with me right.
9:26Cause you dropped Tyler Shuck and Mike picked him up and Mike is playing him against you.
9:31Point number one, I have Josh Allen. Cause it was me and your boy.
9:36No, we were point number two. I drafted Tyler Shuck, but then it's like, you know, you know how it gets like,
9:43do I want a backup quarterback or do I want a shot at a better potential tradable asset?
9:48Now he would have been the best. I mean, it was just, it is funny that you, nobody wanted him for me after week one, by the way.
9:57Your team, especially that guy back there, Al Borland.
10:00Your team is like, but now I can't root for him.
10:04Cause I'm playing. I don't want him to succeed for you.
10:07The only squad that could be like Tyler Shuck is my backup.
10:11Yes. Cause he's the QB three. Correct. The only person that was amazing for you because the only person that could ever
10:18drop Tyler suck is to do with Josh Allen.
10:21And now I don't get a root for the guy.
10:24I like and drafted. We rise up. Do I get a ring?
10:27If you win the title? I'll send you a note.
10:31Okay. Anyways, it's a good start. Sam Darnold at the chart or versus the chargers.
10:35Oh boy. I talked about this. The chargers, they, they lose a tough one again and you know, force five turnovers and
10:42their reward is they go into Seattle to play a team in Seattle that lost and champions respond to losses in a different way.
10:50It's the hardest place to go play somehow. Sam Darnold in his defeat last week, three 79 and four.
10:56I mean, finishes the QB one chargers defense was carved up by Kirk cousins and Darnold at home.
11:01It just looks too juicy. Like I don't normally want to go to the Darnold level necessarily, but I think this week people have had injuries.
11:10You dropped Drake may you've, you've, I've got a league.
11:13I'm playing Sam Darnold. It makes sense to me this week.
11:16I dropped a Kyler and cause Sam Darnold was there.
11:19I'm struggling. Cause I think it was the Drake made or I don't know.
11:24It's a safe quarterback. It's a safe play. That's the funny thing.
11:28It's the safest play this week. There's nobody playing better than JSN right now.
11:32Oh my God. That's exactly why Darnold is fine because JSN is there and off the key.
11:37Did you see the number? We're like 50% of the yards again.
11:41It's ridiculous. He has the second highest fantasy points of all time through three weeks at wide receiver.
11:47And the, the number one of all time was like, I think 2000 Marvin Harrison Jr..
11:52Yeah. Not the junior. Um, but yeah, Sam Darnold's all right.
11:55I'm going Trevor Lawrence against the Cincinnati bangles. Yes.
11:58The defense has improved, but we want game environments.
12:01How about tied for the highest over into the week?
12:04We got 51 and a half, not just a 50.
12:07We have surpassed it. Uh, so it, people are looking at Trevor Lawrence where he was an awesome week.
12:13One very, very down in week two against Denver.
12:16And then he, he wasn't a top 12 guy against New England, but it was still good numbers.
12:22Don't lose the faith in Trevor Lawrence this week.
12:25All right, Jason, what about your running back? My running back?
12:28We're going tootin base. Hell tootin. A juicy one.
12:31In Cincinnati. He's, uh, the running back 13 through three weeks.
12:34He was a running back 11 last week on 17 opportunities.
12:38The, the Jacksonville offense is just cooking right now.
12:41And I really think that they have the way that they've talked about him, the way they've utilized him.
12:47I think Bayshel tootin, I've tried to trade for him in a couple of places.
12:51He looks like he's going to be the dude.
12:54The Bengals defense has gotten better. They're improved. But if you look a little deeper, they're still giving up high rates of explosive plays.
13:02And that's what tootin, you know, has, has in his wheelhouses.
13:05He ranks second among all running backs in rush success rate and first in those plays reaching 15 miles an hour, more than Gibbs.
13:13He's very explosive. So I think the matchup is okay.
13:16And I can't fathom benching Bayshel tootin. And I'm going from the waiver wire right into your starting lineup.
13:22We got Braylon Allen. It's a one week as of right now, we've seen one game with Braylon without Brees.
13:28And it was 16 opportunities. Uh, that included five targets and 81 total yards.
13:33And it's the matchup. It is juicy Chicago 29th and EPA per rush allowed.
13:37So this is an, I expect a, a heavy, heavy dose of the run game.
13:42Uh, as opposed like Gino was awesome last week.
13:44I think that this week with the jets against Chicago, they're going to be on the ground.
13:50Aaron Jones against Miami is my pick this week.
13:53Jordan Mason on reserve. Okay. Yeah. No, I'll take the old man voice for Aaron Jones.
13:58Look, he's been a high end RB two since the, uh, the move of Jordan Mason to IR the last two weeks,
14:0580% of snaps, 50% of the, uh, total rush attempts and targets Miami's 30th against running backs.
14:10It's a 10 and a half point favorite Minnesota team that should be running the ball all day.
14:16Yep. Uh, Hey, Al, you screwed it up. Cause you were like, I'm going first and I'm going with the position we don't normally start with.
14:24I'm going to go with a, that's yourself up a Nolens stack.
14:28I'm going to keep starting Juwan Johnson every week right now.
14:31He's been fantastic. Uh, you know, against the Falcons, he's a tight end four through three weeks, averaging 12.9 fantasy points per week.
14:38Uh, he's very involved. He's tied with Trey McBride for the league lead in end zone targets.
14:44Second most red zone targets. Uh, I mean, it's, it's perfect.
14:47And Atlanta's 26th in fancy points allowed to tight end.
14:50So, you know, this was one of our, you know, most targeted like late round guys week one pickup right now.
14:57It looks like he's a weekly start. Maybe that changes when Jordan Tyson, you know, gets off of IR, which could be
15:04as soon as this week, but he's, he's on IR right now or as soon as next week.
15:09So yeah, keep starting Juwan Johnson and I'm going with Tyler Warren.
15:13Uh, Josh Downs is a great play, but I think Tyler Warren is as well.
15:18We're going to attack Washington throughout the entirety of the season.
15:21And you know, even though week one felt not great, he is the only tight ends with eight and a half fantasy
15:28points in each of the three weeks, McBride, Kelsey, Juwanson and Tyler Warren.
15:32It's been, it's been quietly. Okay. And Washington is 31st in schedule.
15:36Just the points to the position there. You'll be playing tight ends, tight ends against them all year.
15:42All right. I'm going with. Oh, okay. Uh, we got to get also, you got to get that Jersey updated.
15:48Uh, Darren Waller against Detroit on Sunday night, annual update of Darren Waller's Jersey.
15:53That's right. I mean, he can probably just do like a huge change on that.
15:57I think that's what we did last time to get it from Miami.
16:01Miami to the Carolina blue. I think we can pull that off.
16:05Uh, the snap shares they're going up. Yeah. I mean, Darren Waller, Detroit.
16:09We talked about it Sunday night game high over under Jalen Coker could be out.
16:14You know, the, the snaps were up at 51% last week.
16:17Red zone target lions have been bleeding points to the tight end position.
16:21Listen to the saints tight ends. Two of them in week one bills, tight ends, two of them in week two touchdowns,
16:28jets, tight ends, two touchdowns last week. I mean, two a week.
16:32I'm having a real problem here because I, I think the breakout is coming for Tucker craft at some point.
16:38It is, but I'm sitting here staring down Darren Waller versus Tucker craft this week and having a harder time by the
16:45minute deciding about what I want to do with that decision.
16:49So I think Waller is going to be, especially if you know, Detroit's putting points up.
16:54I mean, Coker is out. Yeah. I don't know how you wouldn't play.
16:58I know the Walrus there. I know. I, uh, plus I feel like if I did that and bench Tucker craft, I
17:05could force the breakout cause it would definitely happen.
17:08I would be under my control, but, uh, there you go.
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17:25We're taking a break and then we'll jump into the forecast.
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17:31All right. We have a London game guys. You ready to get up at six 30?
17:36You want to watch a little early football, Mike?
17:39Not really. Yeah. The Colts at one and two take on the commanders even less now one and two.
17:45Uh, there's going to be fancy goodness in this one.
17:48Yeah. Indy minus three and a half over under 47 and a half.
17:52That's a nice number. Not bad. And a couple of teams that I don't know.
17:57I don't know about either one of them, to be honest.
18:00You know, you said through three weeks, we get an idea of who the team is.
18:05Who these teams are. I mean, what, what are your thoughts?
18:09I mean, Daniel Jones so far, I don't know that I've been in love with what I've seen so far from Daniel Jones.
18:16No, so far. Daniel Jones is looking. It was Baltimore, Kansas City, Houston.
18:20So you can say that's, that's a gauntlet. I wouldn't, I don't think he's looked terrible, but it's not unlike when he
18:27had a great year for the giants and got the extension and then he turned into a pumpkin and then he was playing great last year.
18:35And I mean, the Kelly's injury is not a joke.
18:38No, he is a mobile quarterback. That was one of his superpowers, nine fantasy points, 11 fantasy points in seven.
18:45Um, considering we have two Colts receivers that are starts of the week, you know, pass catchers in Warren and downs.
18:51The fact that Daniel Jones can't surpass 12 fantasy points, not helpful.
18:55So I hope we can get it done. The matchup is great.
18:59I just think these are two teams that I've been like, I expected the Colts to look a little better than they have.
19:06And I expected the commanders honestly, to look worse than they have.
19:10And here we are. So Mariota last week, it was awesome.
19:1320 fancy points through for three touchdowns can definitely streaming.
19:16Yeah. I think this week you can Jonathan Taylor.
19:19Of course you're playing him and we've talked about dams and Warren.
19:23So it's flipping to the other side. Well, I know you can play Keenan too.
19:28Can you? Yes. He's going to, but do you want to not necessarily, but I mean, yeah, he had nine targets last week.
19:35I think Mike's right. You can again. Yeah. Well, Andy scored last week.
19:39Yeah. We like the other guys more. I'm just saying in, in certain, like if you're in a 14 team or then
19:46Keenan Allen feels like about a good of a flex start as you'll get on the running back room for the command Sanders, Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt last week.
19:55If you, if you watch the game. So he, he had 19 attempts on the ground that equated to 36 yards.
20:01That's 1.9 a carry. That part was bad. The, the part that was good is he had a 50 plus yard touchdown
20:08run called back on an irrelevant, irrelevant, illegal formation that had nothing to do with the play.
20:13So he did make a big play that didn't count.
20:17He was almost my start of the week. I was between, uh, Basial Tootin and Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt.
20:22And Bill? Yeah. And Bill? Huh? I don't have it anymore.
20:25Oh, you don't have it. Come on. Uh, but yeah, I mean, he's getting the opportunity.
20:30There. That's fine. Yeah. But 20 opportunities last week.
20:33And that was, that was against Seattle. Seattle's a very difficult team to run the ball on.
20:39And so you don't expect them to be great.
20:41It's not like there are other options were great and Bill was bad.
20:46Now you have Rashad White, um, dealing with an injury.
20:49I don't know if he's going to play this week.
20:52They go out and sign, uh, Austin Eckler. He's back.
20:55Which leads me to believe maybe Rashad White's shoulder is, is more serious.
20:59I think Bill gets a lot of work in this game and against the Colts, you're, you're fine.
21:05I mean, that's, that's a great matchup. I agree.
21:08Bounce back week for McLaurin last week. Uh, almost did it two weeks ago when Jason made him a start of the week.
21:15He just had a couple of almost touchdowns last week.
21:18He got into the end zone, had nine more targets.
21:21The last two weeks have been great with the target share and six catches, 77 yards.
21:26I'd certainly prefer him over like digs or anybody else in that passing offense.
21:31The hard part for digs is this is actually very juicy, um, in terms of, uh, cause he's playing the slot.
21:37You know what I'm almost 60% of the time.
21:40And the Colts are to my numbers, the second most vulnerable team against the slot wide receiver, but the Mariota factor makes
21:47it a hard, more difficult to trust. But digs should be great in this matchup.
21:52Yeah. We haven't seen the, uh, you know, the snap count rise to a level where we'd be, you know, all about Antonio Williams.
21:59So I think that's kind of cooled off. Yeah.
22:02Yeah. He feels like a, an injury or next year injury away or a next year play.
22:07The new England Patriots, uh, back in the United States here, they're wanting to, they take on the three, you know, Buffalo bills.
22:15So, um, you've had a hard start head to Buffalo.
22:18Good luck with that. Man, the highest implied point total on the week is the Buffalo 27.5.
22:23This game is Buffalo minus six and a half over under 48 and a half.
22:28You know, I, I think the most difficult thing to get your confidence back is to travel to your division rivals home
22:35field and face, you know, Josh Allen, who is going to put points up.
22:39It's going to put you in a position to do everything that like, if I wanted to help Drake may, I don't
22:46want to run the football and be efficient and then play good defense and then let them win the game in, you
22:53know, by not having to do everything. And this is a game where at some point it's likely Drake may has to
23:00try to put the team on his shoulders and do more.
23:03It's just a shaky situation. And, you know, how do you, Andy, how do you feel about the 21 points implied for the Patriots?
23:11Like feels high. They can, they get to 21.
23:14Well, I think this is just all based on how atrocious the bills defense has been.
23:19I mean, the bills last week, they did win the game, but I mean, on the year 24th against running or quarterbacks,
23:2629th against running backs, 28th against white. I am a little surprised at that.
23:30But, you know, I think part of the problem is, is when we're like, like, just tell me the story of the Patriots scoring points.
23:38That's what I mean. You don't know who any main characters are in this book.
23:43Like there are none. Travion Henderson rips off a long touchdown.
23:46The end? It's somewhere. The end of the story?
23:49Yes. Oh, that's the story. That's the only three times to get to 21 points?
23:54Oh, man. I don't know. Is there a pass interference penalty near the end zone that Ramondre can take advantage of?
24:00It really does feel difficult to see them scoring.
24:03They've just been in an apt offense. How do we not have like a 10 target game for Romeo Dobbs who you paid all this money to?
24:12We haven't had that at all. It's weird. You've got Mack Hollins leading the team in target share.
24:17You've got a tandem of running backs that makes the other, each makes the other irrelevant, sort of.
24:23If I had to start one, I'd still start Ramondre.
24:26I have them back-to-back in my rankings. But I mean, I don't care if you want to go the other way.
24:33Yeah. And I think it's really a matter of like, if you're the underdog in a matchup.
24:38Who would rather score six points for you? If you're the underdog in a matchup, throw Travion Henderson out there for the
24:45idea that he gets a big blow-up game. The more likely leader in fantasy points is Ramondre, but probably without a very high ceiling.
24:53So I don't love playing either. The matchup is great.
24:56The over-under is good. Do you start a Patriot?
24:59I think in most leagues, you're going to have Ramondre or Travion Henderson on rosters where you're going to start them, yes.
25:05It's not like they are shoe-in top 15 running backs by any means.
25:10But in today's NFL, you're probably needing to start them.
25:13Josh Allen James. Oh, here's a good question. Patriots running back or Ollie Gordon?
25:17I mean, I'd play Ollie Gordon. I would play.
25:20For the chance that something like 20 carries. I mean, we don't know if Jalen Wright's going to play this week for Miami.
25:27So there's just no world I wouldn't try Gordon now.
25:30I would go with the Patriots. I would go with both Patriots.
25:34Both of them? Yeah. Yeah, well, you guys are like, I've picked up on that.
25:39I mean, we talk about like how are the Patriots going to score 20 points, but against Minnesota.
25:44Yeah. How are the Dolphins going to score three?
25:47Okay, strong point. I kind of put the Minnesota part out of my mind for a second and was just focusing on workload.
25:55But yeah, I was going to accuse you guys of being anti-Ollie, but I think you're pro-Vikings.
26:00That is correct. James Cook and Allen, of course, you play them.
26:04Dalton Kincaid, get him back out there. See if we...
26:07It will be a bit of a... Like you want to preview a potential storyline for next week?
26:12A disappointing Kincaid game? Yeah. We'll put you in the position of saying, same old, same old, or, you know, I feel like it's an important one.
26:21This is a very tough matchup. I mean, the New England against tight ends is...
26:26Number one. Yeah, they're number one. They don't give up a lot of points against tight ends.
26:314.5 points per game on average, so... Which they've played...
26:34I mean, they've played some tough teams, right? I mean, they are like some tough tight ends.
26:40They stopped Kelsey, right? That was one of their games?
26:43Am I misremembering their schedule? Baltimore? Yeah, you are misremembering.
26:46You had Seattle, Pittsburgh, and Jacksonville. Oh, I'm sorry.
26:49Yeah, yeah. I think I was a matchup before.
26:51So, they... Those are not any big tight ends that they faced.
26:55The prize picks projection for Dalton Kincaid's at 53.5 receiving yards...
26:59Oh. That's not bad. That's only ahead of him is Bowers McBride-Kelsey.
27:03So... Because he's a big play guy. Yeah, the projections are still there.
27:07With confidence, even if... Would you play Waller or Kincaid?
27:10Oh, man. If you have the decision. Oh, my gosh.
27:13It co-curs out. That's such a firestorm of a perfect situation for Darren Waller that...
27:18I think I'm still going to play Kincaid, but I understand that.
27:21What do you guys think about DJ Moore as a trade-for candidate?
27:25I like that. He's been very, very involved. Yeah.
27:28And he got hurt. Ten targets. I believe that he is going to be there.
27:33Like, if we do... I'm sure we will soon do like a redraft.
27:37We usually do early in the year where we draft people over.
27:41I doubt we get to where DJ Moore would go, but he would be significantly higher to me.
27:46The way he has looked this year, the involvement in the offense, I am fully bought in that DJ Moore will be
27:53the primary wide receiver for a great team. And I think at the end of the year, you could look back and
28:00say, this is like a top ten wide receiver.
28:03That's really bullish. And it feels weird because last...
28:06We had the injury game where he hurt his shoulder and went out with a negative...
28:11I believe he had... Yes. He's getting negative 0.1 fantasy points.
28:14And so that's going to really... It's going to bring down your total average.
28:19It's going to bring down the manager's feelings about them.
28:22But he comes back with the injured shoulder, gets ten targets.
28:25I really like DJ Moore. I'm going to be extra transparent here to my own detriment, but I want to have the
28:32discussion because I think it benefits the listenership. So I've really had the long thought process, and maybe this is just my
28:39own problem because I can't just stay pat with a great team.
28:43But I've had the thought process of like, is...
28:46And we didn't bring him up on the tradeaway candidate yesterday.
28:49But Devontae Adams is having the best three-game start of his career.
28:53He's an older wide receiver. He is a compelling...
28:56Like, if you're offering him around, that's a compelling...
28:59Sure. ...player. And I've had the thought about how do I view...
29:02How do I view DJ Moore? I hate this so much.
29:06Why do you hate this? I hate this because what you're saying is that you're considering trying to offer Devontae Adams for DJ Moore...
29:13And something else. And plus? Yeah, he would have to.
29:17He'd be worth plus. For that move where the market is right now, Devontae Adams is worth more.
29:22I mean... I've had the thought. And then, you know, I have Josh Allen.
29:27Yeah. You know the math on that. And it's like...
29:30It's really... It's always going... No matter how... Like, if you think we're smart, if you think we're dumb, whatever.
29:36No matter who you are. You can have it in your mind that you're going to trade a player that's...
29:42That's like a great tradeaway candidate. But if they've played three amazing games in a row...
29:47I don't think there's a soul out there that doesn't feel like, what if it keeps going?
29:53Like, Adams has been that good. What if Puka has surgery?
29:56All these things go on your head. Yeah, what if he goes out and plays this week and then it's re-aggravated?
30:03And... I mean, that's a humongous deal. So, it has crossed my mind.
30:07Like, those two players. I feel like DJ Moore is a trade four candidate.
30:11I feel like Devontae Adams is probably... He's probably going to maintain value throughout the year, but he's probably not going to
30:18be what he is right this moment. No. Not what he is right now, where he's...
30:23I mean... I mean, Devontae Adams... Let me see where he is on the year.
30:28He's the wide receiver six. He's been... I mean...
30:31Insanely good. Yeah, 195, 137 yards these last two games.
30:34I don't mind the thought process. But I do...
30:37I think Adams is more valuable at the end of the year.
30:41That... I mean that... And DJ Moore. Yeah, and DJ Moore has dealt with the injury already, and there's some concerns about...
30:48You know, Josh Allen hasn't needed a go-to guy since the Diggs years.
30:52So... Sorry for the detour there. No, no. That's fine.
30:55I mean, whatever you do, I just hope it's the wrong decision.
30:59It could be. Yeah. And it's worth remembering, you know...
31:02That I've made wrong decisions lots of times. No.
31:04Last year, Devontae Adams was the wide receiver eight, and Puka played.
31:08Yeah. No. It's not like Puka... Puka coming back destroys...
31:11I can't tell if he's trying to talk me out of trying to pursue this.
31:16Puka coming back... That's where I'm with it. Absolutely destroys the Terrence Ferguson, Tyler Higbee...
31:21But not Adams. But not Adams. No, not Adams.
31:24There's two valuable pieces for the Rams. And one thing to remember is Puka's return, the reason he didn't play is he said his explosiveness wasn't there.
31:32So we still need... When he plays, we still need to know that he's 100% Puka, right?
31:38You don't want half Puka. Am I right? I would take half Puka.
31:42Yeah, that would be pretty good. I would score most wide receivers.
31:45The New York Jets in our next matchup at one and two, taking on the Chicago Bears with the big Monday night victory, making Philly look silly.
31:54Uh, the Vegas line, Chicago minus three and a half over under 43 and a half.
31:59You know, I, the Jets have been a competent team this year, which is great because competence at quarterback means relevance for Garrett Wilson.
32:06Maybe Kenyon Sadiq continues in a sense. He was limited in practice with a back injury, which I would guess happened when
32:13he laid out and looked in pain at the end of that catch.
32:18But the Bears, Case Keenum, we think it'll be Case Keenum?
32:21Think so. Caleb Williams was getting, you know, getting better every day.
32:25They have said they know who the quarterback is.
32:28I, can I just... But they won't tell. I was a little confused because I saw all the, like, the locker room stuff with Case Keenum.
32:36Oh, his little, what, the speech? The game ball speech?
32:39With the speech, which was awesome. The speech was great.
32:42But then, like, Caleb didn't play, right? Are you talking about the robe?
32:46The robe. But he clearly did a little post-game shower.
32:49He's in the robe. Well, you could, just because you're not playing, I mean, you might get a little dewy.
32:56Okay. Okay. Just thought it was weird, and it was a really nice robe.
33:00I don't feel like we all got that robe.
33:03You think it's weird that a guy's like, hey, you know what I could be wearing right now?
33:08No, the robe. A luxurious spa quality robe? You got to go take shower time from the guys that play.
33:15Let me ask this question. I think there's enough showers for everybody at a professional facility.
33:20They're not sharing one leaky bucket. This is the question.
33:23Was he in pads? No. So he was just in normal, regular clothes at a game and then was like, that is weird.
33:30I'm going to go change it to a robe.
33:33It's weird, but also, it's a robe, Jason. I mean, we all want to wear robes.
33:38I wear a robe every morning. It's a great life.
33:41We all want to wear. Okay. I'm not going to dunk on a guy for wanting to wear a luxurious robe.
33:48Okay. All right. Start, sit decisions. Mike, you brought up Braylon Allen.
33:52Yep. His prize picks projections at 70.5 Russian receiving yards.
33:55That's awesome. Yeah, we will take that. That is.
33:58We do have. So I'm very bullish for this week in particular.
34:01We have popular start, sit questions. Related to Allen?
34:04That are funny. Get that nasty button ready. I'll go to you, Jason.
34:08Braylon Allen or. Hold on. Spotlight. Or Omari and Hampton.
34:11Omari and Hampton. That's the wrong answer. But, like, they're playing Seattle, right?
34:16Yeah. At Seattle. You're going to play Hampton. They just had 1.9 a carry for JCM.
34:21For the guy that's getting half the snaps of JCM.
34:24Yeah. I will absolutely still start Omari and Hampton in that situation.
34:27Okay. How about. Clip that. We're just going to keep the spotlight the whole time?
34:32No. It's any Hampton we need to have. Okay.
34:35And then Judkins. I would play Braylon Allen. Okay.
34:38Yeah. That one's easy for me. DeAndre Swift. You know, it's been a great start to the season.
34:44You have to play him on the other side.
34:46We'll see when Brees Hall comes back or if you get Braylon Allen for more than one week.
34:52I'm avoiding the toughest part of this entire matchup right now.
34:55Garrett Wilson. Play him. How do you feel about Sadiq?
34:59Like after last week's breakout. Do you. Like where is he in your weekly rankings relative to the Dalton Schultzes of the world and things like that?
35:07Let me go have a peek. Seven for 105 and a touchdown last week with a 43-yard catch.
35:13Yeah. I mean, I've got Sadiq right now. You've got all the tight ends right now, but go on.
35:19No. I don't mean on my roster. I mean, in my weekly rankings, he's at tight end 11.
35:24I'm at 13. Yeah. It's like, you know, you can start him.
35:28The Bears are usually a little bit more of a pass funnel team.
35:32Not that they're weak against tight ends, but I think that the way that they're using Sadiq is a little bit more like a wide receiver.
35:40So it'll be interesting. I think you can throw him out there and start him.
35:45You know, his numbers have gone up. His utilization, his involvement is a player who missed, you know, pretty much camp and preseason with with injury.
35:53So getting him involved, I think, will be a progression.
35:57And we've already kind of seen it. And it's been forced with some of the injuries around him.
36:02Um, uh, my, the latest I saw, I don't, I don't expect Adonai Mitchell to be there yet.
36:08Omar, uh, Cooper Jr. is on IR. So, yeah, I mean, I think, I think Kenyon Sadiq is probably the wide receiver too for this team right now.
36:17What do you do with the pass catchers? So I was a burden.
36:21Like assuming it's case Keenum, he hyper-targeted Luther Burton.
36:24I'm going to play him with confidence. After that, the confidence goes away.
36:28Can we get the spotlight for Mike here with the Loveland decisions?
36:31Okay, give me some questions. Go ahead. Yeah. So Mr.
36:35Loveland. Mr. Loveland. How about Kenyon Sadiq or Loveland?
36:37That is so dirty. Dirty. Oh, that's such a good question.
36:41My rankings have Kenyon Sadiq ahead. Harold Fannin Jr.
36:44after nine targets. Benz or Colston Loveland? Fannin. Why is Loveland doing so much cardio and not getting enough?
36:50I don't know. Getting enough action. I don't know.
36:53He's got 84% of snaps, 78% of routes. I don't know.
36:56Benzins. I mean, you can get him real cheap right now if you believe in the long-term return to relevance, which you don't.
37:03No. Well. Or you're scared. I'm scared. Yes. It's definitely worth some.
37:07There's going to be some squads where you want to take the chance that he bounces back.
37:12I still feel like there's no world where he doesn't have monster games coming up.
37:17Would you rather have Waller or him the rest of the season?
37:21Loveland. You'd be Loveland, right? Yeah, I would definitely be Loveland.
37:24I think that Loveland will still for sure have big, massive, weak-winning games.
37:28The one thing I am far more skeptical on now is that he will have the consistency that you hoped for as
37:35a number one target for the team. Yeah, that part is.
37:39And you don't get quite the answers you want even waiting weeks right now because Caleb's not there.
37:44Yeah. So you just said you're playing Burden because Keenum proved he could hyper-target him.
37:49We didn't see enough this year, I think. Khalif Raymond?
37:52If you play him, you will die. He will outscore Loveland.
37:56Everyone loves Raymond. Hmm. Raymond. Raymond. All right, we'll take a break.
38:00We'll come back with some more matchups. That's a good Brad Garrett, Mike.
38:04That's very good. Jacksonville, 2-1, taking on the 2-1 Bengals.
38:07This is fun. I mean, these are two very good teams, and one of them is going to be .500 after this.
38:14Plus, two pretty ferocious cats, if you... I mean, Kyle has given us the cat stats.
38:19Oh, let's have them. Cat stats? A cat fight?
38:22So, in terms of size, it's clearly the Bengal.
38:24The Bengal Tiger's got to be bigger. By a lot.
38:28By a lot. Up to 350 pounds for a Jaguar, 700 pounds for a Bengal.
38:32The bite force, which I have not researched these numbers.
38:35This is purely on Kyle. Underrated stat. He's... Cat stat.
38:39Sure. The Bengal's got the size, but the Jaguar's got the bite force.
38:431,500 PSI on the bite? Well, let's talk speed.
38:46Compared to 1050? Let's talk speed. You got a Bengal can only get up to about 40 miles per hour.
38:52Oh, slow poke. Only. While a Jaguar's up to 50.
38:55Catch me if you can. Can't. Thank you. So, who wins in a fight?
38:59The Tiger. The Bengal. Yeah. We tried to make it compelling, but the Bengal would win.
39:04Wow. There you go. My goodness. Trevor Lawrence, your start of the week.
39:08Bachelot Toot and Jason, your start of the week.
39:11Yeah, we won in on this game. And Parker Washington, your start of every week.
39:16Play him for Jacksonville. Oh, man. The Brian Thomas Jr., Michael...
39:19Or Marvin Harrison Jr. Like, if you are a rookie from three years ago with a junior in your name, you're going
39:26to be talked about at the trade deadline this year because there's more rumors about BTJ.
39:31We had rumors about him going to San Francisco last year.
39:35They have reemerged. San Francisco has a potential destination, which if you want to say, hey, how do you save your career?
39:42You can go to San Francisco. Yeah, get a good injury severance.
39:46I know. That's true. Jacoby Myers is a flexible player this week.
39:49And then, you know, the nice thing about the Cincinnati Bengals, it's really easy each week.
39:54Joe Burrow, Chase Brown, Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, and log out, right?
39:58I mean, there's no team ever easier than the Bengals.
40:01You have to start all of them every week.
40:04I mean, it's kind of like Dallas. They're very similar.
40:07I mean, you've got play Pickens, play Seedy, play Javante.
40:10Would you rather play Jacoby Myers or Keenan Allen?
40:13Jacoby. I want this game environment. I want a 51.5 point over under two great offenses and the chance for 70 points to be scored in a game.
40:22Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, keep an eye on...
40:25And you don't have to wake up at 6.30 in the morning to watch.
40:30Yeah. Well, there are people, Jason, that don't have to wake up at 6.30 in the morning to watch it.
40:36Lucky. It's our job. But then they have to stay up until midnight for Sunday football.
40:41And when we get done with our job, no matter how hard it is, we take a shower.
40:47No matter how easy. When my contractors get done working on my house, I take a shower.
40:52Yes. Perfect. I believe we're so focused on a man that just wants to be clean.
40:57How clean? Clean and comfy. You don't want to be clean and comfy?
41:01It is weird, man. I earned that shower. What?
41:04What? I don't understand the... I don't know. I'm just having fun with it.
41:08Get healthy, Caleb. Yeah. Come back and score 59 points.
41:12He's working on his health. His health and his wellness.
41:15He's staying zen in his robe. Yeah. And he can give him all the guff.
41:19He's one of his three. My guys obviously loves Caleb.
41:23Yeah. Yeah. So I'm allowed a license to... Absolutely.
41:25Make fun of him. All right. The Cardinals 1-2 taking on the 2-1 New York Giants.
41:30Arizona favored on the road by 2.5. That is your...
41:34What? If you want to check in on the Jameis Winston meter...
41:37I didn't know that until just now. That's crazy.
41:40The over-under is 44 and a half. But... I have...
41:43That's why you traded for McCarthy. I have gone so back and forth on this one.
41:48And been thoroughly convinced that both teams are going to figure out how to lose.
41:53But it's like... Both of their defenses are not great right now.
41:57The Giants lost one of their superstars in Brian Burns.
42:00But the Cardinals can't get pressure. And if you can't get pressure on Jameis, he will figure it out.
42:06Like, he's not that incompetent that if there's no pass rush coming, he will find Malik Nabors.
42:11But the Card... You're like, well, but the Cardinals offense with Jacoby.
42:15How do they not outscore the Giants? It's a crazy game.
42:19I mean, 44 and a half is not a lot.
42:22Jeremiah Love is going to be the story of this game.
42:25I mean, he should get pretty much all of the work like he did last week.
42:30They talked about it. They said it was just a hot hand.
42:34But his hand is going to be on fire here.
42:37The matchup is great. And the fact that you lost Brian Burns, your defense is beat up.
42:42That's usually where you beat the Giants is on the ground.
42:46I think that Jeremiah Love, you know, he could be the running back five on the week easy.
42:52Yeah, I think this is a very significant Vegas line to tell you the story of this game.
42:57Like, Winston is statistically the worst quarterback in EPA per play in the league so far.
43:02So it does not give me any confidence. Statistically and visually.
43:06Visually speaking, he's the worst. And, you know, for the team to go trade for McCarthy, who is not exactly headline making talent.
43:13Right. So so far. But that gives me I like have no confidence in anybody but scat on the Detroit on the New York side.
43:21Yeah. I mean, the scataboo start should be good.
43:24They're going to give him a billion opportunities. So how far down are you with Malik?
43:29Malik or Terry McLaurin? Let me let me see.
43:32I think it's Terry. No, it is definitely Terry, actually.
43:35I think it's Malik here. Last week was, you know, that crazy weather game.
43:39What he had, like 30 yards, but five targets.
43:42The Arizona Cardinals coming to town, I think, will be a salve for Malik.
43:46And I expect Malik to have 10 targets. And if you give Malik 10 targets and you're not in some kind of
43:53crazy stormy game against the Cardinals, there's a good chance that he has a big play.
43:58Are you positive that he's the same guy right now?
44:01When, you know, there was an expectation even of Jackson Dart was here that the beginning part of this season would start slower.
44:09Would be slow. I always thought that the beginning part of the season, I mean, this is the normal ramp up that
44:16is usual for coming off of an ACL. You know, we said when you drafted him that it would be a slow start.
44:23Like you said, even with Jackson Dart, I think the Cardinals defense is just the difference here.
44:28Will they be able to tackle him? I mean, their number one corner, Will Johnson, is gone now.
44:34So who's guarding him? Maybe Buda Baker can try to break his ribs like he did Mike Evans.
44:40But take it easy. He also missed an easy tackle on Debo and let him score 80-yard touchdown, to your point about, you know, a big play.
44:48But, yeah, I don't personally, like, I have neighbors quite a ways down the list.
44:53Like, I'd play Josh Downs my start of the week over Malik neighbors.
44:57He's still in my top 24. I'd play Bird and I'd play Golden.
45:01And here's the most interesting one. He's at 25 for me, Mike.
45:05Here's the most. He's at 22 for me. So we're not too far apart.
45:09But the most interesting one is on the other side of the field.
45:13Michael Wilson. Oh, easy Michael Wilson. Coming off of 17 targets.
45:17Yeah, easy Michael Wilson. I mean, the Cardinals are favored in this one.
45:21They have the better quarterback by a wide margin.
45:24I mean, I'm taking the quarterback. I don't trust Jameis at all right now.
45:28Yeah. I think he's going to be okay. He seems like he's not taking football very seriously.
45:33I think he'll be okay in this game. He's so ready to be a broadcaster.
45:38He's going to be an awesome commentator or broadcaster.
45:41Wherever he's talking, I'll be watching. He's got to be the sideline dude.
45:45Oh, yes. I don't think you can trust him to talk for the entire game.
45:50I think you need him to have his select moments.
45:53The sideline, the pregame, the postgame. I think he could be a color commentator.
45:57Oh, man. No, that's too much. No way too much.
46:00What about what Booger did? That was sideline. Oh, yeah.
46:04He rode the Booger Mobile. That's right. He didn't get a Winston Mobile.
46:08That's fine. He was actually the color commentator. And then we were like, we got to get this out of the booth.
46:15Yeah. And then they put him in the Booger Mobile.
46:18And we're like, we got to get him out of this Booger Mobile.
46:22Get back to college, Booger. There is nothing wrong with having a role to play.
46:27And I think Winston's role in the media will be amazing for the next 20 years.
46:32But it seems like we have a difference of opinion, though.
46:35I very much believe Arizona wins this football game.
46:38I saw. And I believe their offense is much better than the Giants in this game.
46:43I saw a stat. I don't have it in front of me.
46:47Don't know where it came from. Don't know the specific stat.
46:50Oh, my God. I don't even know the stat.
46:53The stat itself is actually a mystery to me.
46:56But it was. Someone find that. It was first read.
46:59It was first read targets for Michael Wilson. What could I be thinking?
47:03For Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr. And they were shockingly.
47:06I could probably find that. It was shockingly close.
47:09For career? No, no, no. I think it was last week only.
47:13And you look at 17 targets for Michael Wilson.
47:16So it was like, first read. They looked. So he looked at Marvin.
47:20He was like, nope. Like an active no. Yeah.
47:23It's like, we're trying, man. You're not. Does he just kind of giggle when he looks over?
47:28And he's like, oh. I think it might just be.
47:31Catch you again, Marvin. I think it might be a fake from the get-go.
47:36It's like, it's really just to make defenders go, I'm totally looking at this side of the field.
47:41Sike! Michael Wilson. First read target share? No. No.
47:44The stat that you didn't know where it came from or where it's gone.
47:49Is this the whole? This was, it looks like last week.
47:52Yeah. I thought that's what he was talking about.
47:55That is what I was talking about. Yeah. 45% for Michael Wilson.
47:59That you didn't know is not our doubt. You didn't know where it came from, where it was from.
48:05It would have been fun. Or it was true.
48:08It would have been super fun. Here's a stat I made up.
48:11But think about how fun that is. If it was real.
48:15I'm going to find what I was looking at.
48:18Oh my gosh. Well, we have the facts. Please do.
48:21Because the numbers that we have is 45. Oh, I know.
48:24But I want to know. 45% Michael Wilson. 18% Tray McBride.
48:2815% Marvin Harrison. I will say this. Did you get hit by one of those satire accounts again?
48:33We'll find out. We'll find out. I did disagree with one thing you said yesterday about Michael Wilson, which was like this
48:40contention that he's never going to be the first receiving target for Arizona.
48:44I think that there's a place where Michael Wilson and Tray McBride really share that at the tippy top of the team's depth chart.
48:52And I found it. But Michael Wilson, like the targets last week told me he could be a number one target.
48:59Yeah, for sure. I found what I was looking at.
49:02And it was not a it was a very great account from Jared Smola.
49:06This is why when I said I don't remember what I say.
49:10I prefaced it properly because I was letting everybody know I don't know what I'm about to talk about.
49:16Yeah, yeah. Well, no, because we got to the truth here.
49:19That's what we do. Right. The winding road. It was a real close first read targets between Michael Wilson and Tray McBride.
49:26Oh, Martin. Martin Harrison was down to nine percent.
49:29So it's basically like, yeah, the offense is not right.
49:32They do not care about getting Marvin Harrison. Gotcha.
49:35But yeah, I think I think Wilson is a definitively like great start every week.
49:40And obviously you play McBride and a very good wide receiver.
49:43Parker and he's very Parker Washington. It turns out that, you know, we when you're good, the good, the fancy time machine
49:50where we had who's this year's Michael Wilson is Parker.
49:53No, it's Michael Wilson. Oh, yeah. That that often happens.
49:56I'm like, who is the JSN? Yeah, we just don't because I couldn't believe that Jason could have a more perfect season the last year.
50:04It just it was not statistically right. An outcome that could ever happen.
50:08And he's like, yes, I can. Yes, actually, I can.
50:12I like somebody who was saying that this year's JSN is Brock Bowers.
50:16And I'm like, I based on what I saw in that game, you might be right.
50:21Like Brock Bowers. I played against him last week.
50:23I was terrified on every play and every play is open and there's no way to cover him.
50:29That's it's a it's a cheat code. It was the old Kelsey games where you're like, you know, they're going to throw the ball to Travis Kelsey.
50:38Why is no one guarding him? You can't guard a tight end.
50:41That's that like that. That's the truth. Who guards him?
50:45Buda Baker. You bring the safety down to guard.
50:47It's just so a linebacker can't guard him because you don't line up.
50:51You don't line up a corner against him because they're too small.
50:55Like anecdotally, maybe it's not true. But what I was seeing of like the it's like short stuff where he's kind of leaking out a little bit later.
51:04And then it's genuinely like, oh, he did it again.
51:07It's not possible. Not Brock. You can't do that again.
51:10We're not going to. And then the next play slow.
51:14Just leak out. Turn around. And it's funny because I've never.
51:17No one's guarding him. I mean, when have you ever had a.
51:21You've had these lockdown corners. You know, Patrick Sertan goes up against somebody.
51:25They get one catch. When have you had one of the elite of the elite tight ends go into a game and
51:32then it's like we just shut him down. I can't remember.
51:35Kelsey never got shut down. Not in his day.
51:38Not in his day. Yeah. And McBride never gets shut down.
51:42They just. They're too big. Oh, that McBride. Oh, the face mask.
51:45It wasn't a stiff arm. It was a spike.
51:48It was. He football spiked a human. Yeah. It was awesome.
51:52It was amazing. All right. We got to move on.
51:55The Rams one and two taking on the two and one Eagles.
51:59Vegas line here. Rams minus three on the road.
52:01So, again, that is going on the road to Philly and being favored is the one and two team.
52:07Not common. Favored on the road by three. Yeah.
52:10The Eagles wins this year. Commanders tightens. So we're not proud of that yet.
52:15Over under 43 and a half. Very low. I mean, if you watch the Eagles defense last or offense last week and
52:21then you said, OK, let's go ahead and upgrade the defense you're playing against and now go score.
52:27What is the I mean, how does that happen?
52:30They're going to need to run the ball more, which I don't know why they got away from it.
52:36It was working with Saquon last week and then they put the ball in Jalen Hurts's hands and he's just not.
52:43He has looked really. Simple, really unspecial. He he's targeting Devontae Smith too much.
52:47And I love Devontae Smith. I've got the Hurts Devontae Smith stack.
52:51But when I go back and I watch film on this team, it is just like there are wide open players.
52:57You know, we've talked about Makai Lemon is getting wide.
53:01Not like, oh, he's got to step on a guy you could have thrown on the ball.
53:06It's like, did you not see the dude that no one was guarding?
53:10And then you threw to Devontae Smith and double coverage.
53:13And I don't know, man, it's like he's not he's not.
53:17It's got to make A.J. Brown so mad. Like because he just wanted you to throw him the ball in triple coverage over and over again.
53:25I'm still hopeful that they figure this out specifically with Makai Lemon, a rookie first round talent, first round pick who, you
53:32know, should get more involved, should get more, you know, connection with Jalen Hurts as time goes on.
53:37It's not going to be in this game. Imagine anything good for the Eagles offense against the Rams defense.
53:43Players like Makai Lemon are the very hardest players in fantasy to just keep holding on your team because you kind of
53:50when they're not producing yet, you just want to rotate through the young guys that have a good week.
53:56You know what I mean? It's like Ted Hirsch is getting 75 percent of snaps.
54:01Well, maybe it would be his week and then maybe it'll be Antonio Williams.
54:05And then maybe it'll be this rookie or that rookie.
54:08I just think those guys are hard when you need a player.
54:12Like I'm not saying he's not going to develop.
54:15I think he will. I just don't know when.
54:18And it's hard to keep those guys on the bench.
54:21Yeah. But in this game, like Saquon, sure, he ran well last week.
54:25He gets to face the sixth best rush defense that has Aaron Donald back.
54:30I have a hard time believing that it's going to be a big game for him.
54:35Devontae Smith's dealing with the hamstring. You know, Dontavian Wicks.
54:38He's okay. He's okay. I mean, he's okay. It's just not going to be.
54:42Their implied point total is 20. Okay. And these are two good defenses.
54:46Absolutely. Because I think that on the Eagles side, I think it's very shaky.
54:51Barkley is in play just because of who he is.
54:54He's a superstar. One run can make the whole week in volume.
54:58The rest of the team, very scared of, including Jalen Hurts.
55:01So would you play Jalen Hurts or Bryce Young against Detroit?
55:04My goodness. Disgusting. I think I pray Bryce. I mean, I told you, are we playing against each other in the Dynasty League?
55:12Wherever it is, I finally made the move where I put Shuck in above Hurts, and it feels real good.
55:18That feels like an easy move. No, it was very easy.
55:21That's what I mean. That one's easy. But how about Jalen Hurts or C.J.
55:26Stroud against the Dallas Cowboys? I don't like this.
55:29Because you know the answer is C.J. Stroud. Probably Hurts at home.
55:32I think I'd go Hurts. I would play C.J.
55:35Stroud. Yeah, I get it. Like, Jalen Hurts right now is not doing anything that you wanted for fantasy.
55:41The last two weeks, he would be on pace for 348 rushing yards.
55:45Not good. 3,500 passing yards. Not good. 17 passing touchdowns.
55:49Not good. How many rushing touchdowns? Eight and a half.
55:52Okay. Hurts or the guy on the other side?
55:55But he's on pace for 26. Interceptions. Matthew Stafford or Jalen Hurts?
55:58Andy, what do you think? The former MVP. Last year's MVP against the current 27th.
56:03If he's getting Puka back and I get Adams in Puka, I'm playing Matthew Stafford.
56:08Oof. Good luck. I'm sorry, everybody. This one's been hard.
56:11Jalen Hurts or Drake May? Jalen Hurts. Okay, we did it.
56:14We got Jalen Hurts in the lineup. Yeah, play Kyron.
56:17Play Puka and Adams if Puka's active. If Puka's not active, Mumfield is the desperation there or the Tyler Higbee option.
56:24On the other, you know, you don't have Goddard.
56:27He's not practicing. Wicks is desperation. Lemon is desperation.
56:30Devontae Smith, if he's active, you play him. But it's not a high-scoring projected game.
56:34There's supposed to be a little bit of rain, a little bit of wind, maybe some water and heart.
56:40I don't know. Earth! The Green Bay Packers at 1-2 take on the 0-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
56:46Okay. One win between these two teams and both fan bases are positive they're going to lose the game.
56:52Green Bay minus 3-1⁄2. Over-under 38-1⁄2. We may all lose with that over-under.
56:56That's what that tells me. Jalen Daniels, undrafted free agent out of Kansas, will get the start.
57:01Won the backup role in Tampa. And, yeah, that's who he starts for, Tampa.
57:06Bucky Irving was limited with a glute on Wednesday after they said he's got nothing wrong.
57:11They literally said he will not be on the injury report.
57:14Gotcha. Liars. But, yeah, both of these fan bases, like, let me go to the source here.
57:19Al Borland, as a Green Bay Packer fan, confidence in the running game right now.
57:24Zero percent. Zero percent. If you had to bet one guy gets more than eight carries, would you make that bet?
57:31One of the three, Brooks, Lloyd, Johnson. Are you asking Al or us?
57:35I'm asking you now. I do think that they will.
57:38There's been a lot of talk. I mean, first of all, I don't expect that the Tampa Bay offense is going to do a ton.
57:46So there's been so much talk this week from the Packers camp about needing to run the ball more, even when it's failing, because it's going to fail.
57:55I love that that's the context, because it's really stating the exact state of affairs.
57:59Yeah, but it's like they want to, you know, they talked about it being like a body shot in boxing, where it's
58:06just you've got to keep hitting them over and over, and you've got to stay committed to it.
58:12When you get a bunch of third and eight, you are body shotting yourself.
58:16Yeah, I get that. But my point is, when you really are committed to the run and you want to do it
58:23all game, you still cannot if you're down a score or two.
58:27And in this matchup against Jalen Daniels, an undrafted free agent rookie making his first start, I hope that the Packers aren't
58:34going to be down two scores, because that would be embarrassing for them.
58:38And if they are up or if it's, you know, in a neutral game environment, I do think they're going to be committed to handing the ball off.
58:47But to who? Probably Lloyd first, Caleb Johnson second.
58:50Yeah, they came out and said that all the running backs have not had enough chances to get going.
58:56To me, that says maybe they'll pick one to get a chance to get going.
59:01Last week, neither one had over eight opportunities. The price picks line, I think, is like eight and a half for Caleb.
59:07Give Caleb Johnson 15 touches. Here's my predict. I think they'll give Caleb the ball this week.
59:13Yes. And it will fail miserably. Yeah. But good luck against Vita Vea with this talent on the offensive side.
59:19Christian Watson, Matthew Golden, play them both. Tucker Craft, that is a spot where Tampa Bay has been vulnerable.
59:25So far, he only has one red zone target.
59:28They've made moves to make the offensive line better.
59:31This is an easy math equation for Green Bay.
59:34Tucker Craft gets better when he gets healthier from the ACL and isn't needed to block in line as much because they
59:40fix some things on the offensive line. Until those things happen, Craft will be hit and miss.
59:46I, you know, the breakout game is coming. I still believe it.
59:50I do too. He's too good. He's paid too much money.
59:53You know, Jayden Reed is gone. Like, the kind of short area stuff.
59:57You know, is it this week? Like, I'm really indecided with him and Waller.
60:02I just don't know what to do with that situation.
60:05Yeah, that is pretty tough. I think I lean the Tucker Craft side.
60:09Like Mike said, eight targets last week. And similar to neighbors, you expect a slower start to the season, but they will get it together.
60:17But, like, by the end of the season, at some point, the athleticism catches up.
60:21I mean, the atrophy goes away and you are ready to be the manimal you were.
60:26I don't know if it'll be this week, but the matchup is pretty good against the Buccaneers.
60:32Stop dropping the ball! Yeah, that's going to be helpful for sure.
60:36Jordan Lover, Jalen Hurts. Jordan Lover. Jordan Lover. I'm still confident in the passing game for the Packers.
60:41Yeah. They can't run. Matthew Golden and Christian Watson, it's delightful.
60:45My only fear at all was that last second visual hamstring pull from Christian Watson.
60:49Wednesday's injury practice report came out. He was not on it.
60:53He wasn't even listed as a full participant. He was just not on it.
60:57So, he was just doing a bit. Yeah. A little psych out.
61:01Got us. Like, on the interception. What a prank.
61:04Because he was like, oh, I would have been a part of that play, but my hammy.
61:09Emeka Abuka, wide receiver 33, 32, and 39 through three weeks.
61:13Right now, I mean. No. He's in the, like, category of, you know.
61:17Are you playing Dontavian Wicks or him? I mean.
61:20No, I'll still go Abuka there. He's above that, right?
61:23But there is. I mean, backup quarterback. Abuka with an undrafted quarterback who you, we have no idea if he can be good.
61:30The Packers defense is not scary, but a situation where you're already not performing and now you have a worse quarterback.
61:37I would prefer to have you on the bench, score a bunch of points so I can have confidence for next week.
61:44I mean, it's 11 weeks in a row for Abuka where he has not had 10 fantasy points.
61:49He hasn't had nine fantasy points. So, this is not a guy with a rookie quarterback that I'm expecting to get a
61:56touchdown, which is seemingly his only way he's going to hit that double-digit threshold.
62:01I mean, he had a touchdown two weeks ago and he didn't hit, you know, 10 points.
62:06So, he's, to me, he's like a double flex option.
62:09Bucky seems like a good play in this game because Green Bay's defense has given up 29.2 fantasy points.
62:15And how do you protect a rookie undrafted free agent?
62:18Yes. You let him hand the ball off and you have success against Green Bay.
62:23He 100% should be a good play, but an injury combined with the defense can just, like, when you're a bad rush
62:30defense but you don't have to worry about the quarterback, I'm going to sell out until the quarterback proves that he can beat me.
62:37Tennessee's 0-3. They travel to Baltimore to take on the Ravens at 2-1.
62:41Oh, boy. The line, Baltimore minus 11.5. We can be quick with this one.
62:46The over-under is 42.5. That gives Baltimore 27. That means you start Jackson, Henry, Flowers.
62:51End of list. If Flowers is back, Bateman is not an option.
62:54Correct. So, the Baltimore starts are simple. On the Tennessee side, the Tennessee sits are simple.
62:59Yeah. All of them. Sit them all. You want to play Pollard?
63:03He didn't practice. Foot injury. You want to play Spears?
63:06Didn't practice. Ankle injury. You want to play Cam Ward?
63:09You literally should be in an institution. It's Singleton's time to shine, baby.
63:14I mean, Nicholas Singleton, I like. Yeah. But he's not shining.
63:17No. It's his time to not shine and get carries.
63:20Yeah. Some context. Spears was knocked out of the game.
63:23Bro. And they were like, Singleton, you stay there.
63:26Listen, Jason. I watched. Both starters are gone. Pollard didn't practice really last week, too.
63:31I watched Carnell Tate routes this week. They were fantastic.
63:34Open all the time. Double moves. No. He even got targeted on some of them while he was wide open as it flew over his head.
63:42Do you realize that Cam Ward has zero completions over 20 yards?
63:46There's no big plays. He is 34th in yards per attempt.
63:49I mean, this is. How are we talking about Caleb Williams in a robe?
63:54And we're not talking about that play last week where Cameron Ward stopped moving.
63:58Yeah. What a cool trick you got. He stopped moving.
64:01You're allowed to do that if you're the best.
64:04He just kind of sat. He had the feet going and then no one was up.
64:09And then he just kind of turned off. He just turned off.
64:13And he was like, hmm. He did complete the pass on that play.
64:17But it's like. He did it in college a couple times.
64:21This is not. Serious. This is not appropriate. It's not serious quarterback.
64:24That is unserious. And they've talked about his footwork is atrocious.
64:28And. Interception in the end zone. They could have won that game.
64:32I can't imagine being a head coach in the NFL.
64:35Don't worry. Brian D'Abel is confident in him as a player in person.
64:39Yay. Yay. I think Brian D'Abel is going to have a new job next year.
64:44I hope he's got a new quarterback sooner than his new job.
64:47But some context to rookie, you know, highly drafted wide receivers and their target share for the first three weeks because Carnell
64:54Tate's at a 25 percent target share. They're not throwing the ball enough, but he is being targeted last week.
65:00How many? How many do you have it in front of you?
65:04Who do you want? Nine targets. No, he did.
65:07He had nine targets, six catches, 58 yards wide open for a touchdown that they couldn't complete.
65:12I saw people dropping Carnell Tate. No, no, no, no, no.
65:16And I went to scoop him up immediately. I think that is a massive mistake.
65:21I mean. Would you play Ibuka or Carnell Tate?
65:23Carnell Tate. For sure. Easily. With the Jalen Daniel start?
65:27I think I'd play Carnell Tate. I think I would play Carnell Tate.
65:31Well, ironically, some of the numbers on that, Emeka Ibuka, his first three weeks as his rookie season, he was only 22 percent target share.
65:39Rome was at 18. Teterola McMillan, great rookie season, was only 24 percent through his first three weeks.
65:44It's just so much more than target share. No, I agree with that.
65:48I'm not saying you're saying that it's all that, but it's not a stat that I am holding on to for Carnell
65:55Tate in particular, because the target from Cam Ward, you need four to equal a target from a regular quarterback.
66:02And those three games for Ibuka last year that you talked about, you know, he scored three touchdowns in him.
66:08For goodness sakes, Carnell Tate, what's the overrunner on touchdowns the rest of the way?
66:13What's insane is- Carnell Tate should have had a touchdown in that game.
66:17Exactly. He was wide open in the end zone.
66:19And it was a target. Yeah. And it just got missed.
66:23So it's, I mean, it's so easy. And Wondell's out targeting him.
66:27Yeah. I mean, it's going to those two guys.
66:30The part of the problem here is volume and speed, because, you know, you could say, oh, 25% target share is not bad.
66:37But, you know, we've talked about this in the past with Baltimore, where it's like, well, how many total targets?
66:43They're playing so slow, where it's like Cam Ward had 23 completions.
66:47Two weeks ago, it was 13 completions. You'd have to have like 75% target share to matter.
66:52So hopefully Cam Ward gets it together, figures out a little bit better play.
66:57I mean, we saw down the stretch last year, some signs of life from Cam Ward.
67:02You came into this season, Andy. Shut up. Shut your mouth.
67:05Really believing that the Titans- Shut your freaking mouth.
67:08We're going to be a good offense in the Cam Ward.
67:11I don't know what you're talking about. That wasn't me.
67:15It was going to be good. That wasn't me.
67:17So, you know, it's still very early in his career.
67:21I hate myself for thinking that. I really do.
67:23Yeah. I want to apologize for that. I want to apologize for believing anything about Malik Willis and Miami.
67:29I want to apologize for doubting Kyron Williams. Oh, the spotlight here is...
67:33I hate any wrong things I say, and those were super wrong.
67:37Cam Ward sucks balls. Cam Ward's. Oh, get wrecked!
67:40Get wrecked! I mean, I had to do something to get out of the spotlight.
67:45I will remind you. Which is still... Something's happening in this room right now.
67:49Andy, for as bad as you feel, just remember, the Titans drafted him at number one.
67:54They feel worse, you think? Yeah. Our room is...
67:57We're in a complete... We're where we should be.
68:00Oh, Jeremy's running around. He definitely wants the camera on and over there.
68:04Dallas. Oh, yeah, Brooks. I should have hit that.
68:07What did he say? That's on me, Brooks. I don't say it often.
68:11That's for sure. Dallas 1-2, Houston 0-3, over under 48.5.
68:14You talked about Stroud. Houston minus 3. Still favorite at home at 0-3 against Dallas.
68:19Because Dallas is 1-2 and seem... They just seem inexact in what they are.
68:23Like, we don't... They just made a trade for Joey Porter Jr.
68:27Big trade. Probably not playing this week. Could be out there.
68:30Houston's defense has been weird. They are still stopping running backs.
68:34So, I have my doubts about Javante going into Houston with that crowd and going up against the number two running defense and doing anything.
68:42So, I think there might be start-set decisions related to him, like Braylon Allen.
68:46Like, Braylon Allen or Javante, I think, is a fair question.
68:50I think it's fair. Like, Braylon Allen will probably have more yards than Javante, but I'll...
68:55Touchdown upside still... Just to go with Javante. It's still pretty hot in this game.
68:59Are you there too, Jay? Yeah. I am a barely Javante.
69:03I think that's a fair call, though. You can make the decision on your own.
69:08This is a team that, you know, last year, the Texans, you couldn't do anything against them.
69:13This year, they've been beaten in the passing game.
69:16However, two-thirds of their games were Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, and now here's Dak.
69:20So, it's like, I don't know. Are they going to figure that out?
69:25No. You don't think so? Do you think they're just not as good as they were last year?
69:30I don't think they're figuring it out this week against Dak and Seedy and Pickens.
69:35No, I don't. I think their numbers are going to look this bad next week.
69:40They might win the game because Dallas' defense is equally atrocious, and, you know, can they run the ball?
69:46They thought that they could get their little Joe Mixon thing going with David Montgomery and Woody Marks.
69:51They have not. David Montgomery has been... If Woody Marks is on your waiver wire, you should pick him up.
69:58I mean, David Mopportunity is a cool 6 for 10 and 11 for 33 the last two weeks with no touchdowns.
70:04I mean, it's been gross. Gross, nasty, nasty. I would pick up Woody Marks.
70:09Yeah, but he's only averaging 3.3 a touch, but they may move on.
70:13But he has looked much better than David Montgomery.
70:15I mean, I know that there's been some talk about them getting him more involved.
70:20I think this... You're still going to go to the bathroom for David Montgomery?
70:25Woody Marks was 8 for 8. Yeah, I mean, this is...
70:28Woody Marks was 5 for 15 the last two games.
70:31They haven't run it the last two games. It's an offensive line problem, and I do think that they certainly still prefer David Montgomery over Woody Marks.
70:40David Montgomery played 63% of the snaps last week, so it's like this is still their leader.
70:45At this point, he is. Yes, but it was a difficult matchup.
70:49Now, they're playing against the Cowboys. This could be a week where David Montgomery is benched in a lot of leagues and
70:56has two touchdowns again on your bench. Are you playing him against a Dallas defense that's ranked 25th so far, or are
71:03you playing Javante, who gets everything against the number two Houston defense?
71:06I would play David Montgomery. So that's interesting. You guys should bet like $100 on that.
71:12No, I'm not bullish. I'm not bullish on David Montgomery.
71:15He only bets on Naren Rodgers. I bet against...
71:17He's a man of principle. I bet against the Browns.
71:21Okay. In this game, by the way, Nico Collins could be back.
71:24He was seen practicing again on Thursday. And you play him.
71:28They would need him. CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens, Mike, start of the week.
71:32Play him. And then Jake Ferguson, he has managed to score in two straight weeks.
71:37He has a touchdown or bust tight end, but you could maybe do worse in a high over-under game than sliding him
71:44into your lineup if you need to. Ferguson, Mike, or Colson Loveland?
71:47Wow. Wow. Let's finish our matchup talk with that.
71:50Ferguson. All right. This also feels like a playoff game.
71:53Like one of these teams... Between a 1-2 and 0-3 teams.
71:57As in like... As in... You lose your toast.
72:00Oh, I see what you mean. One of these teams is going to be, you know, really...
72:05If you're 0-4 is the Texans. Yeah. It's over.
72:08Wow. And if the Cowboys lose in their 1-3, they're going to feel like it's...
72:13You're right. It's tough, too. No, I get it.
72:15You're right. Absolutely. Dalton Schultz, it is a revenge game for him.
72:19He's got the second most targets. He is a if Nico doesn't play start to me.
72:24Seahawks have designated running back Zach Charbonnade a return to practice, guys.
72:28Oh. Trade away, Jardarian Price. Yeah, I think it's too late.
72:31Who's buying? I think the bag is in your hands.
72:35Much like Monty right now. Yeah. After week one.
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