0:00Welcome in the Fantasy Footballers, October 5th, Monday episode of the show.
0:04Should have a fun football game this evening. The level of restraint and character that I just exuded for you gentlemen.
0:10You have no idea. Really? What happened? It should have been shock daddy time.
0:15But I held it back. You are? You were going to do that?
0:19I wanted to do it. I bet you would have done it if our matchup was closer.
0:24Maybe. Because that thing is over. Yeah, I thought maybe, I thought I'd be really stressed for Monday Night Football with you with Bijan and Tyler Chuck.
0:33But one Jamar Chase concussion. One Marcus Mariota leaving in the very beginning of the Washington game.
0:38Hurt your digs. Don Kincaid sucks now. 17 receptions for CeeDee Lamb later and we're in good shape.
0:44No, I mean, you can talk about that. We're going to get into all the studs and duds on today's show.
0:51We got your Monday Monday reactions news to talk about and you know, we still got another game.
0:57But I mean, this is the conversation I didn't want to have.
1:00I said, what if Dalton Kincaid goes out there in week four and lays an egg, which you know, DJ Moore went out in this game.
1:09Keon Coleman stepped up. Right. You know, they had a horrible drop from Joshua Palmer in this one.
1:14But Dalton Kincaid was nowhere to be found. No, the routes went down.
1:18Joe Brady after Sunday's game quote. There's no reason Dalton Kincaid should have two targets.
1:23I got to find a way to get the ball in his hands.
1:27I just don't know how. Yeah, I know. I'm not giving up on Dalton Kincaid, but that feels.
1:33It feels very bad and ridiculous that you can have the start to the season where he's getting all the routes.
1:40He's super involved and he's kicking butt for you.
1:43Yeah, you're like, well, but DJ Moore went down.
1:45Yeah, I mean, and we're like, we might lose this game to the Patriots guys.
1:50We got to get some offense going. Yeah, Dawson Knox ends up with a couple of targets early in the game.
1:57It was weird. And now we're gonna have to make, you know, you're gonna have to think about what you have long term there.
2:05Yep. Because it's not the first time that Buffalo said we need to get Dalton Kincaid more involved in an offense.
2:11I will say this. And I think it's an important context.
2:15If you look at like, what do we do with Dalton Kincaid?
2:19Sure, I trade for him low. Is he just, you know, pumpkin?
2:22Is he reverting to a pumpkin? The New England Patriots were prior to this week, the number one most difficult matchup for tight end.
2:30So this is like, maybe it's a scheme thing where it's like, hey, they would like to, but they guard tight ends really, really well.
2:38So we'll just keep him off the field. That was the strat.
2:42Uh, maybe. Can't stop me if I stop myself.
2:45Can't defend what's not there. Yeah, it's, it's a wild one.
2:48We have a lot going on a lot to talk about.
2:52We got some updates on some injuries. We had more injuries that have implications for free agent signings.
2:57And, uh, a reminder, the community, the greatest community on planet Earth, the Foot Clan available at jointhefoot.com.
3:03We'd love to have you in there. Uh, 60,000 strong over on the discord server.
3:08And, uh, the website is the fantasy footballers.com. You guys gave us your reactions this weekend.
3:13A little bit of good, a little bit of bad, a little bit of bad puns, of course.
3:19And we'll start right now in the most sophisticated manner possible.
3:22Uh, yeah. Starting with, oh, uh, starting with Tedaroa McMillions.
3:25Oh, I guess he's good. Yeah. So is Bam Laporta.
3:28Yeah, he was awesome. Or CD Lamb Borghini. Yes.
3:31And, uh, just simple Drake. Yay. Yeah. No, no Ken Walker here.
3:35It's Ken Runner, the third. That's right. Hey, it's Quinchon Studkins, guys.
3:39Yep. Enjoy your week. Jason. Jason. I love this one.
3:42Car-nel great. Yes. We had a good game. Uh, say my name, say my name.
3:47Jolly Gordon. He was the dude. And Nico Ballin's out there.
3:50Or Kyle. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, guy. And we had some bad ones like Dontavian whiffs.
3:56Oh, man. And faltering Kincaid. This one took me a second, but I got there.
4:00We got atheist Watson. Oh. Oh. How about Ken Yon Sadiq?
4:04Oh, he got Dalton Shucks. Uh, Darren Waller. Matthew Staff Infection?
4:07Oh. David Montbummery. Oh. Josh Frowns. And I like this one.
4:11Cam Scatterpoop. Yes. And Anemic Iqbuka. Oh, man. It's been bad.
4:14Yeah. Not that you can really blame him. He was so close to being able to be Emeka Iqusa, but.
4:21Is that what you were rooting for? Yeah. At that point it shifted to where.
4:26Pun priorities? Yeah. But it didn't goose. Thank you for sharing your Monday Punday entries there on Instagram at Fantasy Footballers, on X at the FF Ballers.
4:34Hey, and some of those like shout out to the people that if you, if you stayed strong with Carnell Tate and your starting roster, congratulations.
4:42Thank you. I appreciate that. I, I will. Is it my starting roster?
4:47Oh, then congratulations to you as well. Cause there was.
4:50Have you seen his starting roster, Mike? He's probably his best player.
4:54It was so easy. Ain't no way. I was playing Carnell Tate yesterday, but that was great to see.
5:00It was. And they weren't all like four yards from the line of scrimmage.
5:04They were some downfield throws. I will say, I mean, nothing in that game changed my opinion about Cam Ward being the worst quarterback in football.
5:12There's something, it's not, it's like every, like not everybody watching football is like, you know, Mike, you're growing up.
5:19Your son is playing football. You're around practices. You know, you know, we've watched football for 20, 30 years.
5:25You know, maybe we understand some of the, the small, the small things about, you know, footwork or formations and things like that.
5:32I think a dude off the street could watch Cam Ward fade back to pass and be like, what's, why is he doing?
5:39What? What's the, why is he, why is he angling that way?
5:43What is he standing straight up? Why is he threw sidearm for no reason?
5:48Yeah. Sometimes he goes and he just is like whips it out.
5:51Yeah. He reminds me of that, uh, Disney channel quarterback.
5:55Yeah. Yeah. Just like, yeah, I'm a quarterback. Because he had no room to throw.
5:59Yeah. It just, it, it just makes me think that this is a dude that could just ignore the fundamentals of footwork
6:06and playing the position and get by with the athleticism and big plays.
6:10And then you get to the NFL and these things matter, right?
6:14Like how long you're holding onto the football or the decisions you're making.
6:18I don't know. He's not good. And we were like, what are they going to do?
6:23Like at some point, like you're going to go, what, this is year three or two.
6:29I mean? Yeah. So, well, they're not going to win games.
6:32The decision. If they win no games and you have the number one through five pick and there's, there's a bunch of quarterbacks coming out.
6:40One. I mean, I think if you're at one or two, it becomes a very difficult conversation.
6:45I think at one or two, it becomes a very easy conversation to have.
6:50I think at five, it becomes difficult. If they're at one or two and they're the worst or second worst team and
6:57there are really good quarterbacks available to take, you have to move on from game more.
7:02And you've gotten two years of winlessness. Yeah. You're not being like, oh, I know we, there, there's that great quarterback out
7:09there, but we're sticking with the guy who got us the number one pick.
7:13Cardinals, the one good thing they've ever done is move on quick from Josh Rosen.
7:18When Kyler was on the table, bears did it with Justin Fields.
7:22That was one year. Yeah, no, I was one year, but I don't know.
7:26Sometimes a guy seems so far from redeemable. I rooting for Cam Ward to be awesome if he became a great quarterback,
7:33but the gap between now to like top 20.
7:36Bryce Young took a long time and he looks benched at not just like got in.
7:41Yeah. He got straight benched and now he looks like he's finally figured it out.
7:46He's having so much fun. Yeah. He's, he is enjoyable to watch.
7:50He's happy out there and he's playing some great ball and whoo.
7:54That a roll. Goodness. This is, we had multiple examples this week of teams being like, no, I'm just going to throw it at that guy.
8:02Every play. Every play. And he, Liam. Yeah. Like just every play.
8:06And you knew it. And then there were plays where Ted Arroa didn't catch the ball and they're, they're watching the film
8:13and he's like, yeah, he's open again. He's open again.
8:16He's a, you cannot cover the best players. And how did it work for those teams?
8:21It's like, Oh, the Panthers scored a lot of points in one and a very important.
8:26Tough matchup. Oh, the Cowboys scored a lot of points in one and a very tough matchup.
8:31Just keep throwing to the best dude. Yeah. The, I would have to go back and watch the Browns video from last
8:38week where they just didn't throw the ball at McMillan.
8:42I don't know if it was, he wasn't getting open in that particular game.
8:46I don't remember off the top of my head or we had to come in here.
8:51Like he's good, right? Yeah. We got in here.
8:54We're like without Coker, like what? He's good, right?
8:57Like he's a rookie. Oh yeah. He's good. And that last, one of those last first downs, that sideline catch.
9:03Oh my gosh. He was awesome last night. All right.
9:06Let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league.
9:10We had already reported. I believe that Jadarian price was not, we had not.
9:14So Jadarian price went to IR. I swear we talked about that.
9:18No, we knew he was going to be out, but then over the weekend it's upgraded to out for four.
9:25I'm just remembering you talking on Sunday. Yes. Joe for four sounds great compared to Jordan Tyson.
9:30Does it? Yeah. He's the latest. Shefter was saying, yeah, unlikely to return until week seven at the early.
9:36You, you, you, right. That's three. Well, three from now.
9:39Some of us have been holding on to them.
9:42But price is four plus from now. Yeah. But you, you got fuzzy man.
9:46We once. The point is the past is the past point is the future.
9:51Jadarian price. You assume you're getting four, right? Jadarian price has to be out at least four, but that doesn't guarantee for Jadarian price being out.
9:59Why? Just bailing you out right now. I will.
10:02I will happily playing him. I'd love to be wrong about Jordan Tyson participating in a fantasy meaningful way this year.
10:09I don't see it. I haven't seen it once.
10:12I didn't. I have no thoughts that he's going to come back and go from hamstring to fantasy starter.
10:18You guys think he will do that. And I'm happy to be wrong on that.
10:22I just don't like, I never believed he was coming back quickly because this hamstring injury from ASU, he heard it at ASU who's never back that quick.
10:31He heard it in the off season. He wasn't back that quick.
10:35Now they're saying week seven at the earliest, which means let's really think about that.
10:40Let's say he's back in week seven or eight.
10:43What's the snap count? How long does it take to increment it?
10:47It'll take a couple of weeks. Are you ever going to build an offense around Jordan Tyson with the hamstring?
10:53Not built around him. So, I mean, like, I mean, Vela is a good player.
10:58Juwanson is a good player. I'm not saying Tyson can't get involved here and there.
11:02I just don't know if predictability. Maybe he's a fantasy playoff winner, but because they have so many snaps, they're the opposite of the Jets.
11:10Goodness. The Jets had fewer plays. New York. What was that?
11:14The Bears had first downs. What was that all about?
11:1789 to 35 or something like that? Yeah. The Jets are playing way too slow.
11:22That makes it impossible for, I mean, Garrett Wilson ended up off a week.
11:26It looks like they want to play slower. Like when you watch them, they're like, how can we slow this down?
11:33How can we have fewer plays? And part of me actually does understand that.
11:37Like if you are a bad team, slowing it down, having less plays, less total points on the board, that can work.
11:44I mean, it's worked a couple times, but at the same time, you also have to stop the other team and you didn't do that.
11:52I mean, it works on an isolated matchup basis when you're playing, you know, a high flying offense to try to slow the game down.
12:00That worked against the Chiefs a lot when they were a super, but as a strategy in general, I'm not seeing a lot of slow teams having success.
12:09No, I think that's very old school. And I think it actually like the way that you can win, you know, and
12:16it just math analytically of like your probability. I feel like when you slow it down, you're bringing your window down.
12:23Oh, how are you going? Janarian Price to IR.
12:26Jack Charbonnet's practice window opened and the team is apparently working out Joe Mixon who Jay Glazer reported is visiting Seattle.
12:32There was a big hype video that Joe Mixon released over the weekend that he finishes by saying, I'm back.
12:39I'm back. I love the video that he has made.
12:42It put it. He's like, what happened to Joe Mixon?
12:45He had all the notes. Tell us. Yeah. Where, where have you been?
12:49He had all the news clips of like, Mixon's not coming back.
12:53And what's wrong with Joe Mixon? You know, when that was happening, you could have been like, Hey guys, it's Joe Mixon here.
13:00I don't think he wanted to say, Hey, I went to an alternative healing facility and injured my foot.
13:06I think that's what happened. Maybe Jordan Tyson. We said it week seven at the earliest.
13:11We'll see when they activate him. Cause he needs to be having, he needs his practice window open.
13:17Yes. Which hasn't happened yet. Lamar Jackson on a stupid play.
13:21I mean, it's just a normal play. I don't think there was anything wrong with it, but it sucked.
13:27He got tackled in his ankle. It felt like he didn't make a decision fast enough.
13:32I'm going to get my whining out of the way.
13:35Okay. So we had a very good week with our fantasy face off on Friday.
13:40Mike went four for four. Yeah, baby. I went three for four.
13:43I gotta be safe. Right? I went four for four in a way that DJ Moore got forgiven.
13:49I go in three for three. Basically DJ. Yeah.
13:52You hit a hundred percent. We're sitting here and Jason had gone the, uh, the less than 27 pass attempts for Lamar Jackson.
13:59Lamar had 20 first half pass attempts. I'm like, I'm good.
14:03Oh, by the way, the one I missed was 41 yards for Tyler Warren.
14:07And he had four. I needed 45. He got 41.
14:10So I missed that one. I suck. Jason ends up with DJ Moore going out, which we don't know.
14:16We think Moore would have gotten there. He probably would have.
14:20But also if he went out a minute late, like one minute later, he goes out in the second half.
14:26So I'm the shame at three for four. It doesn't, but price picks gives you forgiveness if they, if your guys go
14:33out in the first half and he did so.
14:36So, but it sucked for Lamar managers and now he's going to have an MRI.
14:41There's talk about, he was in a walking boot.
14:44They talked about him having a high ankle. Yeah.
14:47I was going to say, Betts, Betts says he thinks it's a high ankle sprain, which that, that is the worst for Lamar.
14:54It's not good for Zay. Well, no, but I'm saying like, we're back.
14:58We've seen what happens with Lamar Jackson. Oh, with limited mobility.
15:02When he's fully healthy, he's, he is sensational. It's very difficult for a defense to, to stop him at all.
15:08You just got to slow him down. He's been so good this year.
15:12He's been great. And then we have seen what happens to Lamar Jackson when his legs don't work and it sucks.
15:19Marcus Mariota. This sucked London, dude, the London game.
15:22Mariota goes out. Zach Galifianakis takes over. And, uh, now Jaden Daniels is supposed to be back in week five, but this was devastating for the offense.
15:30Now, Galifianakis threw the ball way, way down the field.
15:33What is this actually? I'm not going to pronounce his real name.
15:37Well, it's very easy for me to say Galifianakis.
15:40I know, but they actually like, he played well.
15:43I will call him the Bok of a bomber.
15:46I did see that people. I'm willing to do that.
15:49Is that an actual name? I saw people talking about it.
15:52Yeah. That's a nickname. Go ahead and go ahead and read it, Mike.
15:57Let me hear his name. I'm trying to. Kalikai Laka.
16:00No, we can do it. That's the name. Kalikamanis.
16:03Giannis Antetokounmpo is his name. Kalikamanis. Manis? Kalikamanis? You confidence to.
16:06Yeah. I mean. Kalikamanis. Oh, man. Kalikamanis. I just want to shout out this guy who, from like.
16:12On a bride. On a Christmas day. We see quarterbacks thrown into games, right?
16:16That like Jalen Daniels. That did not look like an NFL quarterback for Tampa Bay.
16:21Right. He had his moment. Jalen Hurts. Doesn't look like an NFL quarterback.
16:25We see these guys get thrown into action. Nobody has turned on Jalen Hurts.
16:30Jason has been the Jalen Hurts defender for 10 years.
16:33This is what happens when you defend, when you take all the arrows for that guy.
16:38Yeah. And then he reveals himself to suck. Jason, he's stepping out of the way and the arrows are going straight to Jalen.
16:45I'm not taking him anymore. I mean, look, I got a lot of W's with Hurts.
16:50You did? I won my championship in League of Record with Hurts because people didn't respect him enough.
16:56He's done. He has fulfilled everyone's prophecy of how bad he was going to be.
17:01I mean, it's just old free. Jason is so.
17:04He's wildly bad. Well, I mean, he has scored.
17:06Oh, gosh. He threw a pick in the end zone that turned into a touchdown.
17:117.9 fantasy points the last two weeks. He was under 100 yards, right?
17:15100 passing yards. Was he? I got you right here.
17:19He finished 12 for 27, 44% completion for 93 yards.
17:22He ran for 18, though, Mike, and he also fumbled.
17:25And he got bailed out in the end zone by Cooper.
17:28Yeah, by Cooper. We've already had to have, oh my gosh, yeah, he threw a pick there.
17:34Cooper's a man in the end zone, though. That guy owns the painted area.
17:38You have to have the same exact conversation about Jalen Hurts right now that you had about Drake May a week ago,
17:45which is you drafted a certain quarterback at a certain spot to be your starter.
17:50But, I mean, the last three weeks for Jalen Hurts, he's put up 16, 12, and 13 fantasy points.
17:56You have now taken Devontae Smith out of the equation.
17:59Saquon Barkley was injured in this game. That's another piece of news.
18:03They don't have Dallas Goddard in the offense. I don't think that's the big problem.
18:08Well, I mean, it's a piece of the big problem.
18:11Sure, I just don't. So are you saying it's Hurts?
18:14Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Mekhi Lemon is...
18:17He also didn't have his true number one wide receiver in this game.
18:21Think about a game last year. Just put it this way.
18:25Right. Think about, you had an Eagles game last year, and let's say you said, all right, Jalen Hurts, you have no A.J.
18:32Brown, because that's still an absence to me. I'm calling it an absence until it's not.
18:37You get no A.J. Brown, no Devontae Smith, no Saquon Barkley, no Dallas Goddard.
18:41Now go out there and win. Yeah. No, it's...
18:44It's not easy. It's not easy. I'm defending him?
18:47What am I doing? No, no, you can defend it, but then you could say, to be under 100 passing yards is...
18:54Like, that's shameful. The NFL researcher... And they almost won, dude.
18:58They almost won that game. The NFL researcher had this nice find.
19:01Fewest yards per drop back in a game over the last two seasons with a minimum of 30 drop backs.
19:08Cam Ward's first rookie start. Braylon Allen... I don't want to ever hear that.
19:12In week 18 of 2025, Trey Lance... Did you say Braylon Allen?
19:16I did. I'm sorry, Brandon Allen. That makes far more sense.
19:20Trey Lance and then Jalen Hurts as the fourth worst.
19:232.19 yards per drop back. Nice. Yeah, it was an embarrassment.
19:26Saquon left in the first quarter with a hamstring injury, didn't return.
19:30Yeah. Tank Bigsby got hurt and left. He'll be part of the...
19:34We'll be talking waivers tomorrow. Yeah, well, we need to find out what happened to Tank.
19:39Oh, by the way, Lane Johnson also went out.
19:42Didn't play in the game. DJ Moore aggravated the shoulder injury.
19:45Not considered a long-term issue. This was... I thought I was...
19:49The first one that wasn't a long-term issue, he hurt it again?
19:53I thought we were going to get the same thing with Malik Nabors.
19:57He went down hard. Yes, he did. And then he came back and played on it.
20:02Different injections, I guess, on those sidelines. Maybe. Jamar Chase left with a concussion.
20:06Second major injury, maybe third, that we've had with a face mask, like instigating it.
20:11Devon Achan tore his ACL after a face mask penalty.
20:14Jamar Chase ends up getting overexposed to basically a double hit.
20:18Yeah. Hit to the head, hit to the ground.
20:21But they got a 15-yard penalty, though. And Chase never played again, and that was helpful for them.
20:26Tee Higgins left early with a groin injury. I thought he came back.
20:30So there was a... He did, but then they reported that, I think on one of the last plays of the game, it was...
20:38I saw it reported as adductor. Yes. And so I think that's what we're talking about here.
20:43Rashi Rice, hamstring injury. That one... That looks like it'll be multi-week.
20:47If you can visually see when a player... Like, if you didn't see the play, Rashi Rice had a free first down.
20:54Wide open. All he had to do is go straight at a medium base.
20:59Yeah, for three yards. He doesn't even have to sprint.
21:02A light hop. He would get there. Yeah, you could do...
21:05He could have done it with one leg. Yes.
21:08He absolutely could have got that. And then he pulls...
21:11Something happens with the legs. He pulls up and he goes...
21:15Goes right out of bounds and says, I don't want none of that.
21:19That was a fun game. Oh, the Chiefs game?
21:22That was a fun game. It was. So, I mean, when that happens, it certainly seems like he will miss a few weeks.
21:29Tyquan Thornton. Oh, man. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
21:33Yes, it is. Because he caught an amazing downfield pass.
21:36Yes. Then got up and tried to stand. And there was...
21:39There was no footsie. That clip is not for the queasy.
21:43No. If you can't handle bodily injury, do not watch that one.
21:47It's dislocated. I'll give you the headline. I'm going to describe it to you.
21:51His leg was facing the wrong direction. But he didn't...
21:54It really is. But he didn't notice. His foot was...
21:57Yeah, his foot was. And Tyree Kill, his agent came out and said he expects Tyree Kill to sign with a team in the next few days.
22:06Interesting timing there. I mean, I brought that up like a month ago.
22:10Yes. I brought it up on the Waver Wire show.
22:13You guys shut me down. Yes, I did. Because I firmly believe that.
22:17Except the Chiefs have now lost two starting wide receivers.
22:21Yeah, if you go listen to that, we didn't...
22:24We shut it down for that week. But we said, you know, in a few weeks we would be totally fine with it.
22:31I think that might... We just didn't know. It might accelerate now.
22:35It might have been fast forwarded by two wide receiver injuries.
22:38Yes. But I don't... He said November. Like in terms of being a ready to play football.
22:44So this is a tough one, I think, in fantasy even now in the Waver Wire.
22:49Because if you add Tyree Kill, like you don't get it.
22:52He's not on injury reserve. Like he's not an out.
22:55Right. So you're going to end up with Tyreek on your bench, but his actual ramp up to playing football could be in the mid to late November.
23:04It would just... I think it'll be a tough call on Fab and stuff like that.
23:09I agree. And what does he have left coming off of the injury and the speed and stuff?
23:15So that'll be a discussion for tomorrow. Lad McConkie aggravated his foot injury.
23:19Cool. So the final nail in the four horse coffin, whatever...
23:23I don't even know what I'm saying. Yeah, but there's so many nails in Lad.
23:27I mean, you just keep getting another... You keep being like, oh, okay.
23:32Stop trying to come back! He's... I won't have to hurt you again!
23:36He is... Yeah, Lad, take it easy. Take a rest.
23:39I mean, this is a nightmare. Andy Holloway's coming for you.
23:42Oh, gosh. I don't think I've ever actually been the Reaper for Halloween, but this year feels like the right year for that.
23:50Yeah. Matt Collins left early with a calf injury.
23:52Pat Bryant carted off with a right ankle injury.
23:55That was a bummer. I mean, his was like the exact same thing as the...
24:00It's not the same injury, but the same mechanism as Thornton where the player lands right on their ankle.
24:06I won't say if it was... A hip drop?
24:09A hip drop or not. I'm sure it was.
24:12But it probably was. Those ankles do not survive hip drops.
24:15Nope. All right. By the way, the Chargers lost again and they lost Joe Alt and Rashawn Slater.
24:21Dude, I mean, this is the collapse of collapses.
24:24I've never seen something as disgusting as what has happened to the Chargers and...
24:28They almost battled back in that game. They did.
24:3130 to 13 went to 30 to 23 at the ball.
24:35But I mean, don't worry. Jim Harbaugh said Mike McDaniel's job is safe.
24:39Yeah. Great. He should have said all of our jobs are at risk at any moment.
24:44And Herbert also... Oh gosh, the first half. Oh, I was going to say it was an interesting game and from the
24:51aspect of Herbert through at least two, I think maybe it was just two like horrifically bad interceptions.
24:57Yeah, right to the defender. Where it was like, man, I can't wait for the Herbros to figure out who to blame for this one.
25:05And he's like, where it's clearly Herbert. But then he did.
25:08He battled back and he got... I mean, his core was being shooketh.
25:12He was just getting beat up. But it was his fault that they were in this position.
25:18And then he took the pain and then they still didn't win.
25:21No. No. Still didn't win is the nickname for that franchise.
25:25Yeah. We did all we could. We still didn't win.
25:28And there's some 0-4 teams that are... I mean, they're not the only one.
25:33Houston? Oh man. We have a problem. Nice. How great would it be if like Houston played the Chargers this week?
25:39That would just be... They do in a couple weeks.
25:42I hope they're both winless. Yeah, they do play in a couple weeks.
25:47And don't worry. Chargers will lose that game. We'll take a break.
25:50We'll talk studs and duds. This week's Fantasy Stud Muffins.
25:54Cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Drake May was the number one quarterback on the week.
25:58Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever been in a guillotine league where you've just been barely surviving because Drake May is ruining
26:05every single week and you're like, I'm not doing this again against the Bills.
26:10I'll play Marcus Mariota. Is that what you did?
26:13Oh yeah. Chop, chop. Yep. See you later. So...
26:15So Drake May's just on the bench there. I mean, I will say this.
26:20The top scorers... The waivers, you mean. He will be on the waivers tomorrow.
26:24Yeah. Yeah, Mike's getting chopped. The top scorers at quarterback were...
26:28I mean, there weren't any prolific names this week.
26:31It was actually really low. Yeah. I mean, Burrow did not have a great game.
26:35No. But he was number two. And then Stroud, Cousins and Rodgers.
26:39So, you know, Cousins once again... Get this guy three or four more tight ends and you've got yourself a perfect offense.
26:46I thought they were gonna win that game, dude.
26:49You're almost upset that... I mean, they... What was the line?
26:53The line, I believe, was four and a half.
26:55Oh, then they covered. And it was a three point...
26:59Yeah, they did. They covered. Yeah. That game was awesome.
27:02You see Kubiak at halftime though. It was 13-10.
27:05And they're interviewing him off, you know, what's going on?
27:08What do you need to do? Blah, blah, blah.
27:11He goes, we're winning and we're gonna win the game.
27:14Oh, I love that. Good. And they didn't. Drake May...
27:17Yeah, this was great. Efton Chisholm. Oh, what a catch.
27:20You saved the day. Yes. Did you have a DB on Buffalo?
27:24I did not. Oh, he wasn't very respectful. Oh, no.
27:27No, it was like, yeah, some practice squad guy came up here and made one good catch and we'll never hear from him again.
27:35Don't worry about it. We'll be better next week.
27:38We gotta win. It was crazy. It was crazy.
27:41It was crazy. Why? He was mad. Yeah, but...
27:43He was putting on a huge diamond necklace when he was saying it, too.
27:48I mean, just feel like, I got got. It was Gardner Johnson.
27:52Yeah. I got got. Yeah, he's... It happens to everyone gets got.
27:56Yeah, he's like, yeah, he's a call up. He made one good play.
28:00He'll never do it again. It doesn't matter. You'll never hear of him again.
28:04Goodbye. Okay. He was mad. I think he's gonna stay called up after that game.
28:09Yeah. Uh, Kirk Cousins tied for the league lead in 11 passing touchdowns.
28:13Do you now... 51... 52 passing attempts, 365, against the Chiefs.
28:16Do you now look at Cousins in a different light after four weeks?
28:21I mean... We definitely should. Four weeks of like...
28:23We definitely should. I mean, he's a quarterback 10, 12, and three the last three weeks.
28:29I'm not saying an every week start. I'm saying we're about to enter bye weeks next week.
28:34I think in the right matchup, you'd be okay.
28:37So for instance, two weeks from now against Buffalo at home, I would expect him to have a very good fantasy...
28:43Bunch of pass attempts. Yeah. A bunch of pass attempts, bunch of yards, passing touchdowns.
28:48But because he gives you nothing on the ground, like even what you just said, he's leading the league tied in passing touchdowns.
28:56And most of these good weeks, like this one was better, but most of the good weeks are not fantastic.
29:02You know, it's like, oh, you're the quarterback 11.
29:05It's like, okay, great. You're a top 12 guy, but you're not winning a week with him.
29:10Let's talk about this guy because the Texans quarterback, CJ Stroud, is currently on pace.
29:15You ready for this? Thank you, David Montgomery, for doing this.
29:18He's on pace for 641 pass attempts. That's a lot.
29:224,800 yards. That is a lot. And 51 sacks.
29:24Yeah. This is called we can't run the ball at all.
29:28I feel like he's played well and they can't run it.
29:31I mean, it's... They can't run and their defense, which the, to be fair, the defense looked like the Cowboys were getting shut down in the first half.
29:40Dak would take his drop back and look around and look around and look around and there was nothing there.
29:47And then they went into operation, throw to CeeDee Lamb.
29:50Don't look around. Just look in one spot. One spot and throw it there.
29:54And somehow, that was the solution because the game exploded over the second half.
29:59Yeah. The Texans defense has not been anywhere near as good as it was last year.
30:04I still question the fact that they played Josh Allen and Buffalo and Joe Burrow and Cincinnati and Dak and Dallas.
30:11It's like, they have been tested. They've failed. But, you know, they get Cam Ward this week.
30:16So... Oh! There you go. Off the schneid. Yep.
30:19Well, let's talk about Jameis because Jameis did play Arizona.
30:22He did throw some nasty interceptions. But he was 250 and three and gave both Isaiah Likely and Malik Nabors a good
30:29game, which is the first time we've seen it from Jameis.
30:32That was encouraging. This was what we hoped for.
30:35Mike and I were talking about the fact that there was hope that the terrible Jameis we've seen of the previous two
30:42weeks, one was thrust in, not expected to start, looked bad.
30:46Against the Rams, who just made Jalen Hurts turn into a player that Jason has forever moved on from.
30:52And then the next week was a bad weather game where, you know, there just was no really throwing the ball.
30:58And so we were hoping that we could get back to the bad Jameis we enjoy, which is air it out, have
31:05a lot of success, throw some picks so they have to keep airing it out.
31:10Yeah, there's effective ball. Yeah, exactly. We love bad Jameis, but we don't want ineffective Jameis.
31:15Kyron, Kenneth Walker, Javante Williams again, Kyle Monunga's 30 carries, and he-man Ewell Wilson, top five running backs on the week.
31:22If you had a W in your last name, that was a good sign this week.
31:27Two Williams, a Walker, and a Wilson. The Kyron, you're like, yep, 13 targets.
31:32Kenneth Walker, I think, scored on two consecutive touches?
31:34Yes. If I- Yes, he did. He scored the touchdown, they got the ball back, and then he scored again.
31:41So in about- Yeah, it was really cool. About 15 seconds he put up, I don't know what, 14 or so fantasy points.
31:48Javante, this is just- Aren't you proud of me for getting ahead of the Kyron apology last week?
31:54Yeah. I mean, now I feel like in the clear.
31:57Yeah, what was Blake Corum's- Jason's arms are humongous in this graphic.
32:01Yeah, no, no, no. That's just my arms. So Kyron was five for 14.
32:05Whoa. Okay. So they just decided that we need to get Kyron going in this game.
32:10Wait, who was five for 14? Blake Corum. Oh, you said Kyron.
32:14Oh, I'm sorry. Blake Corum was. Javante- He keeps dropping the ball.
32:18They give him a few targets, he drops them early, and they move on, and they're like, we gotta win.
32:24I think it's also one of those, like, Kyron is their guy.
32:28Kyron is who they think in important situations, he's their best foot forward.
32:32They do want to give him rest, but this wasn't a game they could.
32:37They were down the entire game. You know, they looked terrible.
32:40They battled back and won. I think if they're in a matchup where they are, you know, significant favorites and they're having
32:47an easy game, you'll see a lot more Blake Corum.
32:50This was like, we need Kyron on the field.
32:53Spot on. I think, I'm gonna credit it to Josh Norris, because I can't remember who said it, but Is he the default credit?
33:01It could be. What if it was me? Yeah.
33:04No, my memory is he was the one who tweeted this.
33:07That's the way you said that. Yeah. Since I don't know who said something.
33:12Sorry, let me rephrase it. I'm pretty sure that Josh said this.
33:15Okay. He's like, here's the thing with Kyron. Either the Rams are ahead, and Kyron was a part of the reason they
33:22got ahead, or they're behind, and now it's just Kyron Williams.
33:26I mean, Matthew Stafford has been pretty bad. He's thrown interceptions and he's got more interceptions now than he had at the
33:33Thanksgiving break last year, which by the way, is not close to now.
33:37And he's not looked like the MVP of last year, which is hard to do.
33:42It's hard to repeat that kind of efficiency. I get confused by the offense sometimes because they do this thing where it's
33:49like very clear they're going to run the football.
33:52You notice what's going on. There'll be like two tight ends and like Devante is always on the sideline and they have
33:59one wide receiver out wide and then they run it every time.
34:02They might've saved their season with this game coming back against Philly.
34:06But yeah, Kyron, Ken Walker, Devante. Devante is just high scoring offense and sometimes he'll get touchdowns and this time he got them all.
34:14Kyle Mononga was 30 for one, 46 and two.
34:17DeAndre Swift did not touch the ball again after fumbling in the third quarter with 8.54 to go.
34:22He had two touchdowns called back, Swift did. Swift, yeah.
34:26I couldn't believe his stat line. He also was almost like we didn't know if he's going to play in this game due to a hamstring injury.
34:34I believe so. I can't remember what it was, but in the.
34:38He, so I'm not reading too much into the fumble necessarily.
34:42No. It could have been just like, Hey, he doesn't feel good.
34:45This is ineffective. And Mononga was on fire. He was.
34:49He also finished with a thumb injury. They had to announce it after the game.
34:53So we'll see what happens with Mononga. Hopefully it's not a Jordan Mason thumb injury.
34:58Right. We don't, we never want to take those.
35:01No. Lightly. No. If it's sore, it's probably shattered.
35:04Uh, I think there was, was it, uh, who's the defensive end for.
35:08The Ravens that they picked up. That was former Cincinnati.
35:11I don't know. I can't remember his name right now, but, uh, yeah.
35:15Yeah. Did you see he, he had a shattered finger in a bunch of places and they know he's playing, he can play with a cast though.
35:24All right. Chuba Hubbard, huge game 24, one 22 and two.
35:27He is getting every bit of all the work every week.
35:31Target the lions. Yeah. They're, they're not good. Yeah.
35:34They are defensive side. It is. Yeah. I mean, I think Gibbs literally could break.
35:38He, he could break the all time fantasy record because this team is not good enough on defense and they're not good.
35:45They're not going to win enough games where you're sitting them later in the season.
35:50Like they're going to have to fight tooth and nail.
35:53I don't know, man. Kenneth Walker is like, he's the story in terms of cause Jameer is doing what we drafted him to do, what we expected.
36:02He was the number one overall pick. Kenneth Walker is like, he was still drafted very high.
36:07So I'm not saying that, but he has been the story of how awesome he has been.
36:13I mean, do you want me to tell you his 32 points, 20 points, 20 points and 30 points for Kenneth Walker, RB two, two, six and one.
36:22He's not the running back one on the season.
36:24Yeah. Mike was looking at this up this morning and he just, how is that possible?
36:30He assumed Walker was the number one running back.
36:32He's like, wait, this gotta be wrong. How is he number two?
36:36Cause of Jameer Gibbs. Walker is on pace for 450 opportunities, 2,282 rushing yards, 17 rushing touchdowns and 51 catches and eight receiving touchdowns.
36:44And he is a number two. Yeah, man. Imagine a team had both.
36:48That'd be insane. That would be crazy. Andy's league of record team.
36:52That would be so nuts. With Gibbs and Walker.
36:55And then the, uh, the number two wide receiver CD lamb and the number three wide receiver Amon and the number one quarterback, uh, Josh Allen.
37:03Thank goodness. It is crap. Got into the ends on this week.
37:07It's disgusting. Uh, Jonathan Taylor, uh, did not play as many snaps as he had in recent weeks.
37:12Goodson. No, we saw a lot of Seth McGowan.
37:15McGowan. Yeah. Goodson's on Dallas. Judd can only Gordon was him in this one.
37:20Only nine carries, but a hundred yards. How do we evaluate this performance?
37:24I mean, the way that you should, he was 10 times, maybe, maybe 50 times better than, than right.
37:30I mean, agreed, agreed, but Ollie Gordon is the one to, he was the one to get.
37:35Yes. That is completely Minnesota and had a great fantasy day.
37:39Nobody expected that. Right. I know what Mike's saying though.
37:42And there is context needed to the usage. It was, I believe it was about 70% of his fantasy points were on two touches.
37:50And so it's like, well, okay. So I'm moving, I just mean moving forward.
37:54You know, how do you feel about Ollie Gordon of knowing that that's in there?
37:59Not cause not every running back can do that.
38:02I mean, he, he, but on the other carries, it was like, I mean, the jail, the other Jalen Wright and other Ollie Gordon carries were awful.
38:10But the way you view it is when you have that kind of success, he's been a top 12 running back in fantasy for two straight weeks.
38:19You expect the team to prior, like he wasn't higher on the depth chart and he had this game.
38:25So they're going to give him more work if he has success.
38:29Here's here's, I believe that that is true. In the first half, you had Ollie Gordon play eight snaps to Jalen Wright's 10 snaps.
38:36So you actually had, yeah, kind of, it looked like maybe Jalen Wright is a guy.
38:41No one was the guy cause they both were basically not good in the second half of that game.
38:47Ollie Gordon was 14 snaps to Jalen Wright's two.
38:50They're like, Ollie Gordon is playing better. They made the shift.
38:54They were rewarded by Ollie Gordon's play. And part of the reason why you only get, you know, nine carries is because
39:01you don't get to have as many carries when you break off a 75 yard run or what it, you know, long
39:08runs is like, Oh yeah, you, Oh no. You could have had more carries along the way, but you got a ball in one.
39:15So I do think going forward, Ollie Gordon, it's still a bad team, but he looks like a good player.
39:2210 targets for RJ Harvey this week. I wanted to flag that.
39:26Yeah. With, uh, JK Dobbins has not looked good.
39:28And then it's not that Harvey's looked good on the ground.
39:32It's just Jonah Coleman's on IR and now you have Pat Bryant injured 10 targets.
39:37Like this is not foreign to a Sean Payton offense.
39:40This is normal for a Sean Payton offense. Pass the ball to your running backs, have them be, you know, escape artists
39:47out of the backfield and help your quarterback when he can't get it down the field.
39:52This is why we love Jonah Coleman. He's such a good pass catching running back.
39:57So sad that he's on IR, but yeah, you need to pay attention to RJ Harvey.
40:02They will continue to throw the ball there. Yeah.
40:05That's that. That was his secret power last year.
40:07I mean, he had 58 targets last year and caught 47 of them.
40:12Um, that's where it's tough. Cause it's like Coleman comes back.
40:15Harvey's going to get there down unless he's hurt.
40:18Chase Brown was terrible on the ground, but caught 11 passes, 10, nine for 10 on the ground, 11 for 71 through the air.
40:26But chase went down. You know what I mean?
40:28It was obvious what happened. And then Ashton Gentry got it done through the air.
40:33I love Ashton Gentry because by hook or by crook, he ends up okay.
40:38No matter what. I mean, he's, he's on pace.
40:41You know, the target pays for him. 102. Really?
40:43102 target pace, 1100 rushing yards. He's not been efficient with it.
40:47The best news. I think Leonard Baum got hurt.
40:50Ashton Gentry is that this is a team that looks like, I mean, it's too early in the season to know, but
40:57we have assumed the whole year at some point.
41:00That's the worst team of the, of the league in the league last year would not be a great team.
41:06There would not be a great team. And then, and then at some point you would transition to Mendoza.
41:12Yeah. There is now a realistic outlook where maybe Mendoza does get to red shirt the whole season, which I think would be great for him.
41:21I put that at 95%. It would also be great for Ashton Gentry because when Mendoza comes in, he's the offense is
41:28going to slow down a little bit. He's not going to target Ashton Gentry quite as much as Kirk Cousins is.
41:34So if Kirk can keep the job and you know, if you've got Gentry keep rooting for the Raiders to be in
41:41these games and win games and keep those off.
41:44Yeah. Injury to Kirk is the more likely way that switches, I think.
41:48Yeah. But, uh, the top three wide receiver scores outperformed any week that they had last year for the entire season.
41:55Tatt McMillan, 38 points. CD lamb, 32 points. It's very weird to get 32.8 points with one touchdown, by the way.
42:02Yeah. 17 receptions. We'll do that. Nico Collins. Nico.
42:04Big game on the return. Pour one out for Tyquan Thornton.
42:08Yeah. Wide receiver four on the year. On the week.
42:11I was like, sorry, he's out probably for the year.
42:14We'll see. You put a Nakuha back in business with 23 fantasy points.
42:18Yeah. And it was a down week for, uh, Devante Adams as a result who dropped the touchdown, but Adams had his worst year or worst.
42:27Okay. Weeks years. What are they? You guys talk.
42:29Uh, well, I know who doesn't listen to our show and that's Mark Ingram.
42:34Uh, Mark Ingram went on a tirade on, uh, X talking about how he hates fantasy.
42:39He's into fantasy now. And he clarified that it was because he's got Ted O'Rolle McMillan on his bench.
42:45It's very sad. That's a, it's a strange decision there, Mark.
42:49Yeah. Uh, Jason started the week. Yes, sir. Nice.
42:51And the start of the week puts up the greatest game of his career.
42:56That's helpful. That's helpful. So Romeo Dobbs into the end zone, two touchdowns.
43:00Keon Coleman keeps looking good guys. Six for one 16.
43:03Yeah. I didn't, I'm looking, I didn't realize CD lamb crossed all the way to 21 targets.
43:09Yes. It's just reminds me of the Brandon Marshall days.
43:12Uh, that's the one that I remember having with Jay Cuddy and Fitzpatrick.
43:16Yeah. He had a couple of games where like he was in the high twenties, but yeah, Romeo Dobbs, you know, pay attention here.
43:23If he's on waiver wires, he might be, you have an injury to Mac Collins.
43:28Now. So Romeo Dobbs is looking pretty spicy until AJ Brown gets back.
43:32I'm going to make a prediction right now. I think AJ Brown plays before Jordan Tyson plays.
43:38Okay. So I think that's going to happen this year.
43:41Carnell Tate, Malik neighbors, some other guys getting it done.
43:44Darius Cooper, red zone, red zone reindeer. What was that?
43:47That was Kyle Rudolph back in the day. What?
43:50Five receptions for Darius Cooper on the season. Three have been four touchdowns.
43:54Yeah. It's tough. There are zombies trying to break into our building right now.
43:59I don't think. Did you guys hear that? I did.
44:02That is a zombie apocalypse. Should we be concerned?
44:05That is almost a hundred percent a zombie apocalypse.
44:08It is probable, but I don't think we should be concerned.
44:11That door locks. Is that door? Yeah, it's locked.
44:14Matt's slow. They'll get him first. Oh, that's true.
44:17They'll eat. That's true. We watched him in a race and he was so much slower than I thought he'd be.
44:24You cool if they eat you first for us?
44:26No, not really. I could beat you in a race too.
44:30I still gave Josh way too much grace on that race.
44:33I was new. I was taking it easy on him.
44:37Uh-huh. We didn't even bring up that it was Papa Josh that beat you.
44:41We left that one out and you're like, yeah, just let the world know that Papa Josh.
44:46I wanted to take it easy. Yeah. Baloney. I heard it all.
44:50He wanted to annihilate. The shoes. He didn't have the right shoes.
44:54Something else happened. Papa Josh was in his old man jeans.
44:58Papa Josh doesn't have one of his ACLs. That's true.
45:01If you put an old man in a track suit, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't beat him.
45:06You know what I mean? You should have won.
45:09But what if you put him in old man jeans?
45:12Yeah. He ran in old man jeans. And I do mean old man jeans.
45:17Like these things are so- You at your age in hiking boots.
45:21Yes. Versus Josh- Maybe high heels. Josh could be in the most aerodynamic- What's the age gap?
45:26Could you be his father? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Amazing.
45:29Brother. Good time for a break. We'll be right back.
45:32We did get news that Rashawn Slater, it's a high ankle sprain and I'll miss a lot of time.
45:38For the chargers. For the chargers. Just their tackle.
45:41I would say that sucks. I was like, I want to be like, oh man, that's terrible.
45:46Their offensive line has been bad. It doesn't matter.
45:49I mean, just- Who are you more embittered towards right now?
45:53Point that team into the sun. Definitely the chargers.
45:56Herbert himself or Jalen Hurts himself? Oh, just the men.
45:59Yeah. Just the men, yes. It would be Jalen Hurts by himself because I do think there's a lot to blame with Herbert.
46:06Herbert deserves blame, but McDaniel, I'm mad at him.
46:09The offensive line, I'm mad at them. I'm not really mad at anyone else.
46:13Oh, Harbaugh, I'm mad at him. Okay, good. There's, I just didn't want to go on forever.
46:19Adam Gaze. There's really no one I'm mad at.
46:22Well, I guess a little Sean Mannion. I'm disappointed in Sean Mannion over for Philly, but it's Jalen Hurts.
46:28Jalen Hurts completed 12 passes. Are we ready? CeeD Lamb had 21 targets.
46:32Are we ready for the TJ Hawkinson return to glory?
46:35Dude, I brought him- 18 fantasy points, 13 catches.
46:38That is crazy. I brought him up last week in one of our ridiculous start-sit questions because he had been in a 19% target show.
46:46Well, and no Jefferson. And no Jefferson. And TJ Hawkinson, also 13 for 119.
46:50On 13 targets? And denied a touchdown. A bank loan.
46:53Like he did the human torch. No, he did the NFL move of, he could have scored, he could have ran it up.
47:01Oh, that's right. But they were, but Miami was at a timeout.
47:05So he just went down on the one to like guarantee the victory over personal glory.
47:10Uh, Kyler Murray sucks. Dude. Thank you for saying it like that.
47:13The menace, like this was, I think Hawkins- But, but, but Mike?
47:17Yeah. No, they're four and oh. They are four and oh.
47:21They beat the Dolphins. They have like, I don't- With 15 points.
47:25Kyle, what are the stats about like not scoring touchdowns?
47:28It's the first time. I mean, they have two wins out of their four that are no touchdown scored.
47:34No offensive touchdown. The offense is horrible. It's so disgusting.
47:37It's so disgusting. But in the meantime, because of how disgusting it is, Hawkinson will just get targets.
47:43Yeah. And certainly while- I can't, I can't even dunk on Hawkinson.
47:47He played well. Yeah. And I would guess, we don't know for sure what's going on with Justin Jefferson, if he's back this week or not.
47:55He very well might be. However, they do have a bye the following week.
47:59So if they can get away with not having Jefferson out there for week five against the New Orleans Saints, TJ Hawkinson
48:06should be a great play for at least one more week.
48:10Everybody click the drop button on Kyler this week.
48:13Because if you play Tampa and Miami in their defenses and you can't score 12 fantasy points in either game, ew.
48:19Dude. I mean, maybe Jefferson will help him. Please, get Minnesota a quarterback.
48:23They have one. This is- Carson Wentz is fine.
48:26Carson Wentz is fine for fantasy purposes. He's not fine for the Minnesota Vikings.
48:31This is a team that should be hotly talked about of, this is a Super Bowl contending team.
48:36And yet, I don't- they're at 4-0 and people are like, ah, should- you think the Vikings have won the Super Bowl?
48:43No. No, I don't. So what's wild is I'm like, there's part of me like, why do the Cardinals have Jacoby Brissette?
48:50It's like, Jacoby Brissette is 2-14 with the Cardinals.
48:53They never win. I think he's a better quarterback from Minnesota than Kyler would be.
48:58Probably. Sam Laporta, big week. Brock Bowers, of course.
49:01You know, it was Michael Mayer and then it was not.
49:04It was Brock Bowers. George Kittle, the machine. And look at us!
49:08Tucker Craft, climbing into the top five. He even dropped a touchdown.
49:12He should have had two touchdowns. You like the targets.
49:15But the drop was on one of the easiest touchdowns you've ever seen.
49:19That is correct. It was just- it floated. Just a gentle butterfly kiss.
49:23All he had to do was accept it. It was so- And he's like, I don't want it!
49:29I mean, I still try to- It was so bad!
49:32I try to give Tucker Craft a little bit of a pass because he missed with the ACL and it's coming back to form.
49:40Yeah. They gave him arthritis. They did give him a little bit of a pass on that one and it was easy.
49:47It was funny because Mike and I were playing each other this week and like, I obviously ended up running away with it.
49:54Yes. But the first half of my games were atrocious.
49:57They were just the worst. And back- I just got the second half continued to be atrocious.
50:03You had Zay Flowers. Yes. You just had the second half.
50:06But Tucker Craft and Devontae Adams dropped touchdowns simultaneously on two different screens while Zay Flowers is fingertip catching everything.
50:13Dude. Oh man, he's so good. He's so good.
50:16Oh, he's so fun. It's scary how good he is.
50:19Yeah, well, now his quarterback got a problem. Still got a pro bowler in there.
50:23Snoop Dogg. That joke will keep giving forever. Whenever he starts?
50:27Yeah. That one and Shadur. That's pro bowlers. Oh, I forgot that Shadur was a pro bowler.
50:32That's right. He got rid of the pro bowl.
50:35Like, Shadur is the reason that they got rid of the pro bowl.
50:39I want to call attention to one more tight end.
50:43Brenton Strange. Yep. Target share in weeks one and two for Brenton Strange.
50:4710%. Target shares in week three and four. 26%.
50:5026%. So, his receiving yardage and stuff has been going up.
50:53More involved. They've been doing a lot more 12.
50:56And we'll say the Bengals. Yeah. Like, you can't.
50:59So, seven for 95 against the Bengals. Just don't get overexcited because over the last year, that's just what people do.
51:05Years. Except for a fryer muth two weeks ago.
51:08Yeah. And I don't think Parker Washington's only getting three targets regularly.
51:12Yeah, Parker. Oh. People tried really hard to give me some Parker Washington bad puns this week and they weren't good enough to make the show.
51:20But they wanted to share their sadness. I don't need.
51:24Parker. Washed. Yeah. Washed. Washed was one of them.
51:26Yeah. But he's not. That's all right. He'll be fine.
51:30Don't worry about it. Oh, Barfer Washington from Papa Josh?
51:33Honestly, that would have been good. Parked Washington? Okay.
51:36That's not bad either. Our team is good. Our team is good.
51:39Do we need to do this by ourselves? Guys, this is off the top of our heads.
51:45This is just. Seconds. Seconds. I mean. We are.
51:48This is kind of what we do. It is the only thing we do.
51:5220% analysis. 80% stupid jokes. Martha Washington. Martha Washington.
51:55Okay. They can't all be winners. I mean, that's a little bit.
51:59Why you gotta bring Martha into this? That's a historical.
52:02She was a saint. That's a historical. Maybe. I don't know.
52:05Goldmine of a joke. Well done. Let's get into the duds.
52:09Pooped in his big boy pants. Thank you for setting the tone for the duds, Kyle.
52:14Martha Washington. Uh, Matthew Stafford. No touchdowns in this one.
52:17Two picks. Ew. Uh, Jalen Hurts. Justin Herbert. How about T-Law?
52:21Trevor Lawrence against Cincinnati. That whole game was a big time bummer.
52:25That was. It was not fun to watch. It was one of the 50 plus over unders and it, it didn't deliver.
52:31How do you feel? So it's really surprising, right?
52:34You would expect a shootout in that game. Um, obviously very disappointing fantasy, uh, output, but now you've got Philadelphia who just
52:41shut down Matthew Stafford and Houston who maybe gets it together, uh, by then.
52:46And then a bi-week. So the next three weeks, how are you feeling about Trevor Lawrence?
52:51Are you still fine believing that we'll, we'll see what we saw the first three weeks more out of him or are you hesitating with these matches?
52:59That's fair. I think against Philly, I'll, he'll be like a lower, he'll still be a QB one, but lower in Houston.
53:06It, uh, I'm not worried about Houston until they actually can prove it.
53:11Do we, do we actually have to think about Cincinnati as a good defense?
53:15I wonder, man. I mean, they, yes. Four sacks in three of their four games.
53:20They, they're right there. Good teams don't look good against them.
53:23Like the, the Bengals were without Jamar for basically the whole game.
53:27They were trailing like the Bengals had a shot.
53:30The defense could have won them another game. The Bengals had a shot to steal the win because of the defense.
53:37Yeah. And they play Miami next week, guys. Cincinnati plays Miami.
53:40Nice. Bo Nix. Uh, here we are back to, back to Bo.
53:44Two completions, 10 yards down the field. Huh? Because ADOT was 5.3 yards.
53:48Uh, hello, the Harvey check downs. Yeah. Yeah. I also.
53:51So you get people to turn on you. Yeah.
53:54When you, when you put out an offense that is just disgusting and boring to watch, the, the public doesn't like it.
54:01Public being me. There are two offenses right now where I, there's just a position you don't want to be in.
54:08Maybe it will go three with the Eagles, but like David, well not David Blau, um, Davis Webb, right?
54:14He takes, you've got like this legendary play caller.
54:17Who's your head coach. And he's like, you do it and let's see how it goes.
54:22Yeah. Let's see. And then you've got the, I mean, Dan Campbell's not a patient man.
54:27And Dan Campbell looks angry on the sideline. And here you have this new little check down Charlie offense for the lions with the blobfish.
54:35And I look at that. I'm like, those are two situations where I don't know if the play callers stay the same the entire season.
54:43As crazy as it is. Right. Because it's wins and losses are going to determine that both those teams are two and two, by the way.
54:51So, uh, running backs, this one, this is a bigger talk.
54:54Talk to me, Jeremiah love 14 for 63, one target and a really long conversation after the game with the media saying, go play bam night.
55:03It was the, it was so bizarre. We had it last week.
55:07You had a running back that you drafted in the top five and you said, let's give him all the work.
55:13Because of course, if you seriously are on the goal line and you're like, no, this other guy is a better option than you have.
55:21Why would you have drafted that running back? Why would you draft a guy who's only so good on certain parts of
55:28the field at the running back position? That's a good conversation.
55:32It's infuriating, but I don't think it's the whole story.
55:35The whole story here is that, uh, Jeremiah love came out in the, in the press conference and he talked about that.
55:42This is going to be the longest year of his life that he's dealing with a lot more than the ankle.
55:48So you have more issues that we don't know about the Jeremiah love is dealing with.
55:54He said that his body just feels randomly tired.
55:56And he said, play Bam Knight and Tyler Adjir because quote, why don't we play players that are going to play better than me?
56:04He said that. Yeah. So you look at it, you don't know what conversations are going on on the sideline or whether
56:11maybe they call his number and he goes, no, you go in Tyler.
56:15I mean, I don't know what's happening, but this is a week at look last week.
56:20He looked great. Yeah. This is, it was very exciting.
56:23This was an exciting week and 14 for 63 isn't the end of the world, but no targets.
56:29Yeah. 45% of snaps. The longest year of his life comment was more alluding to the longest year of football.
56:35Yeah. Not like, not like, Oh, this is going to be the worst year ever saying this is a long season.
56:42He hasn't played this much. And then you, the coaches are trying to keep me fresh for the season.
56:48So I, I do think that I know for what for the playoffs, for the playoffs, what are you doing as a rookie?
56:56You, you would hope that he's able to come in and just like take it all, you know, when you're drafted, the
57:02freshest he should be when you're drafted someone, you know, he's got to be fresher than the other guys that are older.
57:09Yeah. I mean, the comments were concerning to me because I think he's dealing with more.
57:15I thought he was dealing with more injuries. Did you not interpret it that way?
57:19I did. I definitely did. But it's just, the whole thing is so weird.
57:24The way that the coach is talking about, I'm, I'm just, I'm back.
57:28I'm, I was, I was so upset and frustrated and angry with the Cardinals organization.
57:33The coach would probably just hinder the team if he took more work in his current state.
57:38To take, to be a rebuilding franchise and be like, we're going to take a franchise running back.
57:44It never works. It literally never works. That's not how you turn your team around.
57:49What about a franchise wide receiver? It's never, it's never worked.
57:52Well, by the way, they got the wrong one.
57:55Marvin Harrison scored. Yeah. And he gave, he gave the, he cost, he cost him the entire game.
58:01Go watch, go watch the play from the 20 ball in his hands on the goal line, drops the ball.
58:07Not a, not a serious receiver. I don't like the thing with the Marv is just, you got the wrong guy.
58:14That's a, sometimes picks don't work out, but strategically for a rebuilding team of a running back never fixes it.
58:20Even when they're unbelievable. Yes. When you're Christian Barca for it, it fixed the giant.
58:25No, he didn't. And Christian McCaffrey, he did the Panthers.
58:28I'm not disagreeing with that, but I am thinking of an example of a situation that I think was more team defining
58:35and had a year of buffer with a good play caller.
58:38Okay. And that was Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell made the investment in Jameer Gibbs top 12 pick.
58:44They lost a bunch of games in their rookie season.
58:47He was three and 13. Now they, maybe they took him the next year when they had that good pick, but they
58:54also already had Gibbs was a defining part of their rebuild, but they were all like, they were already ready for the rebuild.
59:01It needed, I'm not saying a, like a franchise running back can, can take a team to the next level.
59:08Look at the, when, when Philly got the E, uh, uh, Barkley like that, that first year was absolutely magical because the
59:15team was ready for the, the running back to come in and be featured.
59:19The lions already had Jared golf who maybe at the time, because of the trade with Stafford, it was like, we don't
59:26know if golf is going to be at golf is worked out spectacularly for, for the lions.
59:31So you get the, you get the extra first year was the year after they went three and 13.
59:38Wasn't part of the rebuild as much as we've rebuilt, but they didn't, I don't think anybody expected them to go 12
59:45and five that year after a three and 13 year.
59:48But I'm saying, so to, I'm just, I'm back, but that was my larger point is, is I look after week three.
59:55Okay, fine. Bell cow. He's going to be, he's the offense.
59:58He's the face of the office. He's the entire engine.
60:01For a pick, but the stupid charger. Mike said this the second, during the game, he's like, this is going to, we
60:08are going to look back and say, this is the reason we don't have the number one.
60:14Chargers want Jeremiah Smith. Yep. We're the Cardinals will be one pick away from the quarterbacks coming out this year.
60:20Man, we are on a tangent. I apologize. Yeah.
60:23The quarterback coming out this year from college, as of right now, there's a lot of exciting names.
60:29We've had years like this where there's a lot of them.
60:32And then by the draft season that has sifted down and you have two guys that you feel real confident about the
60:39Arizona Cardinals will be one pick away from the two.
60:42Yep. Top tier quarterback. Yeah. Cause they suck. Bucky Irving 16 for 61, got, got the carries.
60:48Didn't get any targets. The, he, that was a huge difference in Baker Mayfield and Jalen Daniels.
60:53Whenever Jalen Daniels had a moment to think he took off or like the pressure came, he took off running.
60:59There were no check down. I don't blame him.
61:02I would have done the same thing. Kyle's been keeping it count.
61:06It is now 745 days since Bucky Irving has had a carry inside the five.
61:11The fact that Sean Tucker got at this game, the fact that Tampa Bay got, we need six yard line stops.
61:18We, we got in, we got next to the end zone and it was still not Bucky Irving.
61:23I think that that is, it's pretty definitive that that's how they're going to roll it out.
61:29I don't think he's their goal line guy. I mean, that's, that's pretty obvious.
61:33He's their best runner and not their goal line guy.
61:36Right. And Sean Tucker scored the touchdown. So you can't really blame them of like, Oh, they brought in a bigger, heavier back and it worked.
61:45They used him on fourth down too. Yeah. David Montgomery is a disaster.
61:49He has fallen to an efficiency poop hole. Uh, that was Kyle's words, not mine.
61:53He is a 3.0, 1.7, 3.0, 2.4 in yards per carry dead last in yards after contact per attempt, which is crazy
62:00because of all the players that I can think of in the last handful of years that broke the first tackle.
62:07Yeah. That was a yards after. I mean, is he lost it?
62:11It seems that way. Cam Scadaboo 18 for 58.
62:14Najee Harris fumbled in this game. Cam just couldn't get the big play and didn't get any targets.
62:20Yep. Uh, Travion Henderson was 14 for 42. Uh, I believe Ramondre had, did he have one or two touchdowns?
62:26I think he had two. That one. I can't remember.
62:29He was, he was one touchdown. He was 13 for 47.
62:33Yeah. I mean, so they both ran out the same, but the score went to Ramondre.
62:38Parker Washington, Devante Adams, Garrett Wilson, Christian Watson. By the way, it was another nice golden week.
62:43This is if you wanted to trade, if anybody out there traded Watson on high last week, I'm not saying this is going to continue.
62:51I'm just saying you feel good right now. Yes.
62:54If you traded him away. George Pickens. Or Josh Downs.
62:57George Pickens. Let's talk about it. Two catches, 75 yards, only three targets.
63:01When you have three and the other guy across the field has 21, you know, your son, Mike, is a huge George Pickens fan.
63:09I'm a huge George Pickens fan. We're watching the game and we're going, where's George?
63:14He was, your, your boy was sad. Yeah. I was sad.
63:17I like George Pickens was my start of the week.
63:20The absolute fart of the week. The process was I, the perimeter guy for against Houston is going to have a good game.
63:28And seven, look at 75 yards is not the end of the world, but when, when the other superstar on the team
63:35puts up what he did, you're, it's tough. It's tough.
63:38And, and this might be narrative stuff, but it's like, this is the situations where we've seen George Pickens become a problem on unhappy with the outcome.
63:46So four weeks into the year, CD lamb is a wide receiver too.
63:50Yeah. And George Pickens is the wide receiver 39.
63:53Yeah. It's not going well for George. CD lamb is still awesome.
63:57And Josh downs hugely disappointing week. I think he played 95% of snaps.
64:01That game broke. Is Daniel Jones? Oh, he's not looking great.
64:05No. Is he resembling a pumpkin? Yeah. He, he, they won the game.
64:09Uh, thanks to Galifianakis. Yes. Uh, it is that disrespectful.
64:12Yes. Do I need to go back to his regular name?
64:16Yes, you do. Like the dude had the bomb touchdown to Burks.
64:19Another, he had a, uh, he should have had what was it?
64:23And Antonio Williams had a huge man. I think I'm an Italian man.
64:27I didn't even finish the point about Ivan was that we, we saw Jalen Daniels come in.
64:33You're like, this is not a, this is not quarterback.
64:36Uh, and then what's his name? Island. Callie man is.
64:39Okay. He comes in a Y L a N.
64:42I land. We'll get it. We'll figure it out.
64:45But my point is the pronunciation. He came in and I mean, he couldn't read it.
64:50He could not read a blitz, but his throws were at least like, okay, okay.
64:55This guy deserves to be a backup. His interviews are awesome.
64:58He's like, I said, he's got Mendoza energy. He just wants to get better and better and better.
65:04Uh, I don't think he starts next week. I think it'll be Jaden.
65:08Yeah, I agree. Yeah. But back-to-back wins for the Colts.
65:11I think are masking how terrible Daniel Jones played.
65:14Daniel Jones accuracy looked abysmal. I mean, he was a wreck.
65:17Thankfully they could run the ball with Jonathan Taylor had multiple touchdowns.
65:21You know, they won easily. So you're not leaving this game like upset.
65:25You know, if you're a Colts fan of a Colts player, a Colts coach, but he was really bad.
65:31And I think that that's going to be exposed when they're not playing a, you know, third string quarterback here soon.
65:38We did have a considerable quantity of, uh, I guess we haven't, have we talked through anybody else at wide receiver you want to talk to?
65:46Cause we can get to Dalton Kincaid, Travis Kelsey, Kenyon Sadiq, Goost.
65:50Like Buka is the biggest, like, I mean, he hasn't, he alerts us time to panic.
65:55I just don't even count the non Baker weeks.
65:58I agree with that. You can't start him without Baker, but Baker's also the last I heard was three to six weeks.
66:05It was like, he's trying to beat the three week timeline.
66:09That was the news I saw. And then after that was like, looks like three to six weeks for Baker.
66:15You haven't been able to start a Buka happily in basically almost a calendar year.
66:20I mean, it was, it was, you know, halfway through last year.
66:24It reminds me of another OSU wide receiver. Um, and you know, you've got what?
66:28Marv. You, that's the one. Marv. Marv was 808 as a rookie.
66:32Yeah. And now we're like, get off the team.
66:35Well, I don't think it has been. And a book.
66:38I had a couple of games to start the year.
66:41And now we're like, it was more than a couple though.
66:45It wasn't. Yeah, it was. It was more than a couple.
66:48He was like, he was like six or seven weeks in and he was a top five wide receiver.
66:54It was my head. It was five. I mean, the problem is, is that we don't like you, you've been talking about
67:01the bears and you're like, we don't know what they're doing because we don't have Caleb and we don't know what's up like.
67:09Yeah. Target distribution. Like I just don't see a world where Baker comes back and a book isn't heavily targeted.
67:15This game was just, this was not a passing quarterback.
67:18Yeah. This was a check down to Godwin. I worry about a book.
67:22Yeah. No, I don't. I'm not saying don't worry about him.
67:26I'm just saying don't play him at all with Jalon Daniels.
67:29I agree with that. I think after that, like you talk about an acquisition window, would you rather have a book or Josh Downs rest of season?
67:38I mean, I take a book is still probably Josh Downs.
67:41Okay. I think I'm on the Josh downside. I think you're going to, you're going to end up right now for the
67:48next five weeks unable to play this player than a bi-week.
67:52I mean, Downs, Downs also sucked. One week. He's at least had, I, what do we got?
67:57Uh, weeks two and three. He was a double digit player.
68:01When's the last time a book has, oh, it's been forever since he was double digits.
68:06The book hasn't been double digits since I think we got 11 last year.
68:10Yeah. It's crazy. Um, 10. The problem with Kenyon Sadiq's goose is that if this offense is got 30 plays a game,
68:17you are going to be really scared about opportunities.
68:20I think it was Gino had two attempts going into the second quarter.
68:24Yeah. It was insane. You would, if you were watching that game, it was just, oh, the bears have the ball again.
68:31Oh, or the bears have the, I would forget that the jets were playing in the morning cause you never saw any jet green.
68:39No, I mean anything. Braylon Allen was their offense and it didn't matter cause they had 30, he had, they had 35
68:46plays and the, the, the, the bears had 89 plays.
68:49That is one of the most insane stats I've ever heard that, that disparity in snaps is made up is like, oh, cause I made it up.
68:58The source, the source that you just, you know, got that data from is obviously broken is how that feels.
69:04But the, that's what happened. Um, I, we gotta, we gotta get, uh, towards the end of this year, but Kelsey two
69:11for 15 and they go into the buy, by the way, the chiefs are on by that's a place you could figure
69:18out, you know, what they're doing on the offensive side.
69:21If they're going to pick up anybody. A good time to get Hill.
69:25Yeah. And I'm just very curious whether he'll be, I mean, is he ready?
69:30Yeah. I don't know. Uh, Jake Ferguson, Dalton Schultz, Darren Waller.
69:33Waller was disappointing. That was a game where he had a lot of pass attempts and a really good game, but not
69:40a lot of work just enough to get Jason freaking 36 yards instead of 27.
69:45Thank you. Congratulations. All right. We'll be back tomorrow.
69:48It is a waiver day. Enjoy the game tonight.
69:51Saints. Falcons should be a fun one. B. John Shuck and company.
69:54Oh, Shuck daddies. It's going to be a good night.
69:58I hope so. Uh, waivers tomorrow. We'll talk to you then.
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