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Wildcard Players! Breakout or Bust? - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/26
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1 hr 2 min
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May 26, 2026
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Tue, May 26, 2026
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Topics
Bucky IrvingIsaiah LikelyKyler MurrayMichael WilsonAaron RodgersJacoby BrissettJayden DanielsKeenan AllenLamar JacksonMatthew StaffordTrey McBride
Player analysis
Player insights
Aaron Rodgers
PositiveRole0:43
Aaron Rodgers has indicated he may retire after the season, but his focus remains on winning a Super Bowl.
Insight pageBucky Irving
PositiveRole0:44
Bucky Irving is seen as a wild card for the upcoming season, especially with Kenneth Gainwell joining the team. His previous injury and recent shoulder procedure raise questions about his role and effectiveness.
Insight pageNegativeInjury0:45
Bucky Irving struggled with a shoulder injury last season and just had another procedure, which has left him less than 100% and could impact his performance this year.
Insight pageNegativeUsage0:46
Last season, Bucky Irving's efficiency was significantly down, averaging only 3.4 yards per carry and ranking poorly among qualifying running backs.
Insight pageNegativeDepth Chart0:47
With Kenneth Gainwell and Sean Tucker on the roster, Bucky Irving faces competition for touches, particularly in the passing game and goal-line situations.
Insight pageNegativeValue0:48
The current ADP for Bucky Irving is concerning, as there are many potential pitfalls that could lead to disappointment this season.
Insight pageIsaiah Likely
PositiveBreakout0:50
Isaiah Likely is viewed as a post-hype sleeper with the potential to break out, especially after signing a significant contract with the New York Giants.
Insight pagePositiveRole0:50
When Isaiah Likely played as the primary tight end without Mark Andrews, he averaged 50 receiving yards and 12.5 fantasy points per game, indicating his potential for a significant role.
Insight pagePositiveDepth Chart0:51
The addition of Isaiah Likely to the Giants raises questions about the target distribution, especially with other pass-catching options like Darnell Mooney and Malachi Fields.
Insight pagePositiveValue0:52
Despite the potential for a breakout, there are concerns about Isaiah Likely's historical performance and the competition for targets in the Giants' offense.
Insight pageJacoby Brissett
NegativeDepth Chart0:01
Jacoby Brissett is significantly far apart from the Cardinals on a reworked deal, which raises concerns about his leverage and future with the team.
Insight pageJayden Daniels
PositiveProjection0:04
Jaden Daniels has a sleeper ADP of quarterback five, but concerns about his performance and injuries persist. He had a solid rookie year with 891 rushing yards and 3,500 passing yards, but his second season was plagued by injuries.
Insight pageKeenan Allen
PositiveDepth Chart0:58
The Chargers' general manager stated that the door is not closed for Keenan Allen to return, which could complicate the depth chart.
Insight pageKyler Murray
NegativeBust0:24
Kyler Murray's recent performances have been disappointing, with only two of his last twelve starts being satisfactory for fantasy purposes, leading to concerns about his potential as a fantasy quarterback.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:26
Despite concerns, there is a possibility that Kyler Murray could finish as a top fantasy quarterback if he throws 26 touchdowns and runs for 700 yards, but expectations should be tempered.
Insight pageLamar Jackson
PositiveProjection0:20
Lamar Jackson and Jaden Daniels had very similar per-game performances last year, but Jackson has a longer track record of success in the NFL.
Insight pageMatthew Stafford
PositiveDepth Chart0:12
Matthew Stafford signed a one-year, $55 million extension, solidifying his role as the starting quarterback for the foreseeable future.
Insight pageMichael Wilson
PositiveBreakout0:29
Michael Wilson had a breakout second half of the season, finishing as a top 10 fantasy wide receiver, showcasing his potential to be a significant contributor in the offense.
Insight pagePositiveValue0:32
With an ADP of wide receiver 35, Michael Wilson is a low-risk pick that could provide value, especially considering his performance last year.
Insight pageTrey McBride
PositiveRole0:41
Trey McBride's performance could be impacted by the uncertainty surrounding Jacoby Brissett's contract situation.
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2:22Welcome back. We've got a fun show today. We're talking through some fantasy wild cards.
2:27Players that could go either direction. We're going to actually debate and discuss those players live and then decide if we think they're breakouts or busts.
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4:28Quick question of the day comes from YouTube. Mike Wright.
4:31Oh, Mike Wright. 3-5-2-4. Writing it. Fight us. Why the confidence in Jaden Daniels?
4:36Maybe he's taking a peek at some of the rankings going up on the fantasy footballers.com.
4:41Why the confidence in Jaden Daniels? He really wasn't that great when he was healthy last year.
4:47Now he has lost weapons and Terry is getting older.
4:50Aren't we all? I see a big decline in that offense and I want no part in Daniels.
4:56Is Jaden Daniels more of a wild card player than we realize?
5:00His sleeper ADP right now, quarterback five. Well, I'll start off by saying this.
5:05Hey man, if you have, if your process says I want no part of Jaden Daniels, don't do it.
5:11But the reason that I am still interested and I think that we are still interested is just, it's how the game is played.
5:19Quarterbacks get one point for every 25 yards of passing and they get a full point for every 10 yards of rushing.
5:26And Jaden Daniels was still running at a very similar rate.
5:30You know, the rookie year, 8.7 rushes per game.
5:33It was actually nine per game last year, a little bit higher of a scramble rate.
5:38Wasn't nearly as successful. And the button to defend him, 11% of his passes were dropped.
5:43That was the highest in the NFL. And like, I know the, the weapons that's still that 11% of your passes being dropped.
5:51That's pretty egregious. That should regress. And it's just guys that run the amount that Jaden Daniels does end up being good for fantasy football.
5:59And then the, the stuff he provides you with, with his arm, that's kind of like, that's the, the, the sugar.
6:06That's the, the syrup on the top of, does he give a truly elite year as opposed to, because right now he
6:13should just, he should just be good. He should be solid no matter what, but could possibly be elites like Lamar.
6:20Are you, you know, who was not good Lamar Jackson?
6:24Are you out on Lamar Jackson? Yeah, it's funny on a game, on a per game basis, looking at healthy games, Lamar
6:31and Jaden Daniels were very, very similar last year.
6:34And yeah, it was a, it was a slightly down year for Lamar.
6:38But when you look at the talent and you know, the scramble rate, I mean, you're talking about someone who scrambles more
6:45than anyone, like literally breaking records in the NFL.
6:48And his scramble rate was up last year in the games he played.
6:53So if you've got that kind of mobility on the ground and Terry is older, but I don't know, you know, when
7:00you say you lost a lot of weapons, are we talking about.
7:04Debo. Debo, you know, Debo didn't look like he had it two years ago.
7:08There's a question of whether he could re, you know, reignite his, his body at his elder statesman's age last year with the commanders.
7:16That was pretty clearly answered. That was a no.
7:19So I don't know that that's a big loss.
7:22Zach Ertz, you know, is again, not a huge loss.
7:26They bring in Antonio Williams, who is a solid incoming rookie wide receiver.
7:30So there's a little bit of youth there. Um, I mean, look, Jaden missed, Jaden missed a lot of time last year.
7:37He missed games with a knee injury. You missed games with a hamstring.
7:41And then he missed a bunch of games with the elbow games.
7:45Terry McLaurin missed weeks four through seven. Those were like three of the only games that Jaden Daniels played.
7:52They didn't play together a lot. Um, also missed weeks nine through 11.
7:56So this team lost the season. I think to come at this other side of it, like, I think it's totally fine
8:03to have some hesitation, more hesitation around Jaden than you would Lamar because Jaden did it one year as a rookie and has an injury plagued second season.
8:13Lamar's done it for a bunch of years, won multiple MVP awards and had multiple years where you're, if you drafted Lamar, you're just ripping your hair out.
8:22Cause you're like, why is this the year? Why is this the year?
8:26He's bad. The depth chart is it's, it's weak on the past catching side, but adding it's worse or better with, with
8:33Chico Conquo and Antonio Williams versus the Debo Ertz neutral, same, same neutral probably.
8:38But I mean, they're, they're still, um, yeah, I remember they gave Traylon Burks the one year deal.
8:44They lost, they added Rashad White, lost Austin Eckler.
8:47It's just about whether you think Jaden will stay on the field.
8:51I think that's the other fair concern. I mean, if you miss three different stretches of the season with three different injuries
8:58and your first inclination is to scramble and run the football, that concerns me.
9:03Not everybody is built to do that and take that much of a beating.
9:07He's a skinny dude. We do know the price is very different this year.
9:12It's almost a three round ADP difference of where Jaden went last year compared to this year.
9:18Also, here's, this is the big one. So looking at every quarterback over the last decade who started at least 12 or
9:25more games and they had at least a hundred rush attempts in the season.
9:30We're talking quarterbacks of the 27 quarterbacks. 26 of the 27 were top 12 in points per game.
9:35It was basically a hundred percent. Yeah. And the, the one who wasn't, it was the 2020 old man, Cam Newton, who
9:43didn't get into the top 12 of points per game.
9:46He was just trying to run. And then in the ceiling case, 78% of those guys top six.
9:5278%. Uh, yeah. Because if you run a hundred times or more times at the quarterback position, you just, you score, you, you score fantasy points.
10:01It's how the game is built. So if I understand you're like, Oh, he was a one hit wonder the second year.
10:08I think that's more of what Jaden Daniels is.
10:11If that's what you believe about him, then stay far away.
10:14But if you're in, he's even cheaper this year and, and based off of history and probability of things, I think he'll
10:22run more than a hundred times again this year.
10:25Should he be healthy enough to do so? And then if he does, the floor is just, you're in the top 12.
10:32There's also progression as a player, right? Like last year I was down on Jaden Daniels because his rookie year, they had the easiest schedule of all time.
10:41And we were talking about how this was going to be a much more difficult job going into year two, but he
10:48also is now going into the third year as an NFL veteran.
10:52You know, like he's 25 years old. He should just be getting like, there is the progression of the player himself as a passer.
11:00I mean, Lamar didn't come in, you know, and, and start as a prolific passer.
11:05He developed that much better as, as he aged.
11:08So I think there is some of that, that we're looking to Jaden Daniels as he's healthy now.
11:14I don't, I don't think he's as guaranteed as those other guys, but I think you should remember his rookie year.
11:21891 rushing yards on 148 carries. There's your cheat code.
11:243,500 passing, 25 touchdowns, only threw nine picks, had a hundred passer rating and last year got deleted.
11:30And now you're getting a huge discount. So that, that one's tough because I think there will be multiple people in every
11:38league looking to get a discount on Jaden Daniels.
11:41Yeah. So you're going to have to decide when you want to pull the trigger.
11:46I mean, um, I don't know where you got, if you want to tell me where you guys have him ranked in your rankings.
11:54I am very high. I've, I've got him at quarterback four.
11:57So he's six for me in a four point and eight for me in a six point.
12:03So not as high. He's at three or four.
12:06Okay. Based off of scoring. Let's talk some news.
12:09News and notes from around the league. Well, the fine team here at the fantasy footballers was working very hard with Matthew Stafford this weekend.
12:17And we got it. We got it done guys.
12:20A one year. 55. We have no audio. We have no audio.
12:24He'll probably fix it. He'll fix that. A one year, $55 million extension.
12:28We just need everyone at home to know we didn't hear it.
12:32Right. Yeah. We didn't hear anything. So it was still right to you.
12:36Wait, you did? Back here we did. No, I did.
12:40I heard it like outside my ears. I heard you hear something back there.
12:44You're telling me it came through the headphones, huh?
12:47In our ears it did. Let's see. I think I got some.
12:51Best it's mine! You got something routed wrong in your guys' mix.
12:55Oh, so it's in the show. You're routed wrong.
12:58Every time I hit this is just ruining the audio.
13:0255! Awesome. Everybody else is hearing it. Okay. Well, that's how much money he's going to make in one year.
13:08Matthew Stafford. Over $150 million? Oh, no. You don't add it up.
13:12Every time we hit the button, he gets 55 more.
13:15One year, $55 million extension through 2027. That would mean Ty Simpson waits a couple years now to get a shot.
13:22Yeah, and that's what they said. They said that this is Stafford.
13:26I don't turn the 55 down next year. No, this is Stafford's team for as long as he wants it.
13:33Ty is going to sit in the background from a dynasty perspective.
13:37I don't know that it changes much because I have been viewing Stafford as a two-year starter.
13:43But if you haven't, then it should because you don't look at having Ty Simpson available this year or next year.
13:50ESPN's Adam Schepter reporting the Chiefs have, quote, no plans to give Rashi Rice an extension before the start of the season.
13:57I mean, of course. Like, of course not. But at the same time, I think it was one or two episodes ago.
14:04It was just before the Rashi Rice news. It was just before that that I was saying, I'm just waiting for a couple big games.
14:12You know, start the season, have that fantasy value that it always provides when he's on the field in our main dynasty
14:20league, and then trade him immediately is just like a ticking time bomb to me.
14:25And this news doesn't help. Like, if you're trying to unload Rashi Rice, you can't do it right now.
14:31I feel like right now is as low a value as you could get for Rice.
14:36It is a very terrifying bet. Dynasty, redraft, all of it.
14:40Which is exactly where we were last year. Yep.
14:43So, fool me twice. But also, he rewarded fantasy managers once he played.
14:47Yeah, he was also really good. John Wyden for us.
14:50Oh, this is so annoying. I didn't even want to report it.
14:54The Cardinals in quarterback, Jacoby Brissett, are, quote, significantly far apart on a reworked deal for the upcoming season.
15:01Oh, man. The stupidest standoff of all time. I don't even care.
15:04Don't even show up. I don't care, Jacoby. The both of yous are dumb.
15:09I think he has no leverage. Jacoby, you're dumb.
15:12You have no leverage. You have nowhere else to start.
15:15And I don't know that you're going to go anywhere else and get the guaranteed money that you can get from the Cardinals right now.
15:24Arizona, you're dumb. Why did you put yourself in this position where you didn't be like, hey, let's talk to Jacoby.
15:31Our plan is going to be he's the starter.
15:34Let's just give him a couple extra mil and we'll avoid all of this.
15:38It's ridiculous. Jacoby won. He won one game last year.
15:41I couldn't care less what happens. I really don't care.
15:45I mean, I care for Trey McBride. For fantasy purposes, we have to care.
15:49As a Cardinal fan, are you winning more games with Brissett than Minshew?
15:54No. You're not. Both those guys will do the same thing.
15:57Win you one game. Yeah. Every 10 times they take the field.
16:01And then you've got Beck. So. I don't blame the Cardinals for not wanting to pay Jacoby Brissett any kind of raise because it's irrelevant.
16:10They already got Minshew and they've got Beck. So you're fine.
16:13You don't need to give him. And I don't blame Brissett for being like, oh, dude, I'm the starter.
16:19It's just we needed to figure this out. You should pay me.
16:23I think what will end up happening is they're significantly far apart.
16:27This is just posturing. And then he'll get a couple extra million dollars coming to be the starter.
16:33I'm it's too early in the offseason for this kind of posturing for me to be afraid that he is not the starter.
16:41It does bring to mind the fact that Trey McBride was very like his.
16:46His lapping the field numbers were provided by Jacoby Brissett.
16:49So just keep that in mind. We're going to talk about some teammates there on the wild card segment.
16:55Chargers general manager came out and said the quote door.
16:58The door is not closed for Keenan Allen to return to the charge.
17:03I mean, he has a key. Like Keenan can come in anytime he wants.
17:07He just he knows the code to the lock.
17:10And I almost expect it. I mean, he can't.
17:13They put a physical lock on that door? Like a big old deadbolt?
17:18Yeah. I mean, it's digital. It's got eight digit.
17:21Eight digit key. They're serious about security over there.
17:24I feel like I forget my code all the time.
17:27Keenan's at an age where remembering that many digits might not work.
17:31If Keenan comes back to the Chargers, it muddies the water.
17:34For Ladd McConkie in particular. Correct. Which we saw last year.
17:38And then Aaron Rodgers. Letting us know early. He's going to retire after the season.
17:43Or will he? We think. He seemed very emphatic.
17:46And he's never said that before. I totally support him.
17:49Yes. I think everyone. We support you. Rodgers. Retire.
17:52Walk away. It's time. But you have my full support.
17:56Right now he's going for that Super Bowl. Yeah.
17:59Yeah. Steelers fans can laugh at us when they somehow get it.
18:03Let's take a break and we'll jump into wild cards.
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19:08We came back from the break and Fred- Come and get it, yeah!
19:12Why was Fred Durst on the screen? What is happening today?
19:16I'm a mess. I was trying to get off the news one and I was going to the canvas and clicked the wrong one.
19:24Your default settings over there include Fred Durst? He is right next to this one, yes.
19:29Be careful. Be careful. That's Tampa Bay wide receiver Fred Durst.
19:33That's right. That's Tampa Bay's draft bid. He could be the boss.
19:37All right. Let's jump in. No, I'm saying no.
19:40The brakes. Guys, why are the brakes working? Because I cut the brakes.
19:44Wild card! Yeah! We are into the fantasy wild cards.
19:47It's fun to talk about these players. Pretty polarizing players.
19:51I will say, I don't know why Al's off his game today.
19:55He has been playing a lot of golf. Yeah, the priorities are a little- And there's rumors that he may go to a two-glove golf system.
20:03And I imagine if he's got two gloves on right now, that's why the buttons aren't working good back there.
20:10Do you know what I mean? You're pushing buttons with golf gloves on right now.
20:15I mean, Kurt Warner could pull off the two gloves.
20:18Teddy Bridgewater could pull it off. I'm not sure Al could pull off the two gloves.
20:23Has anyone in the NFL ever done- Three gloves?
20:26No. No. No, but like biker gloves. They cut off at the knuckles.
20:31Interesting. I feel like you want those fingertips. But I mean, that's what I'm saying.
20:36You're like, this is completely aesthetic. This is not helping me.
20:39It's just helping me be an absolute legend. Ted, I mean, that would let you put stick them on the hand part,
20:46but then you'd still have the feel of the fingers.
20:50And you'd look cool. That way on the sideline, way easier to use your phone.
20:55You know what I mean? Thumbs out. Yeah. Cool, man.
20:58Because that's what- That's what they- Our wide outs are just scrolling in between.
21:03If they were allowed, they would 100% just be sideline tweeted.
21:06And it would be all the wide receivers. Who had the hot dog on the sideline?
21:12Was that Lamar? Oh, I don't remember. One of them made a hot dog.
21:16That would have been easier without gloves, right? Or do you wear hot dog gloves?
21:21Do you guys wear hot dog gloves? No, no.
21:24I had a hot dog. I mean, you know, the 9-10 turn.
21:28When you got that golf glove on- I saw the hot dog you had in your car.
21:34Is that where it came from? The golf course?
21:37You had a car dog? I'm not taking questions at this time, but I can tell you that- I do see Mark Sanchez eating a hot dog.
21:46Eating a hot dog with a glove on is a problem.
21:49Let me tell you this, Jason. First of all, I saw the dog.
21:53Second of all, what were you thinking? You could have thrown away the evidence.
21:58Instead, you left like a 16th of the hot dog in the container.
22:02And you didn't eat it. You didn't finish the dog.
22:06Look, I've got self-control, you know? I said enough's enough here.
22:09That sounds more like a guy who can't finish the job.
22:13To each their own. You can't finish the dog?
22:16You think that was my first dog, Mike? Oh, okay.
22:19All right. Okay. Come on. He ate one and 15 16ths of a dog.
22:24I apologize. Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is our first wild card player.
22:28We'll talk about him. We'll declare a little breakout bust situation.
22:31Right now, his sleeper ADP is the quarterback 21 off the board on underdog basketball leagues, QB 17.
22:37He turns 29 this offseason. He's coming in to revitalize Justin Jefferson in the offense.
22:42He'll compete with J.J. McCarthy. And how is McCarthy so bad, guys?
22:46And how do we all know it so convincingly?
22:49Because of last year when we watched him play.
22:52But I'm saying it just died. It didn't make sense.
22:56I feel like it did not make sense. Honestly, there is a world here.
23:00I mean, the wild card range of Kyler. If we want to talk about the floor, the bad, the worst case, there is a legitimate chance that J.J.
23:09McCarthy steps up, you know, goes into his sophomore year, is better, beats Kyler in camp.
23:15I mean, that is the... Sounds like you're telling a joke.
23:18It feels like it right now. But the opportunity is there for an honest competition.
23:23So if we're talking about the wild card of Kyler Murray, it starts with the fact that he is not guaranteed this job.
23:31Now, I think all three of us and the majority of the world believe Kyler will win the job because Kyler is better.
23:39We've seen him play quality football. He was the number one overall pick.
23:43He brought the Cardinals to the playoffs. He was an MVP candidate at one point.
23:48I mean, he's had success. Got injured. Was disappointing.
23:51Got kicked out of town because we were sick of him being the biggest coward in the pocket.
23:57I mean, that was all of his problems. It is?
24:00He folded like a tent made out of toilet paper, man.
24:04I mean... They can't just fold easily? I feel like that's more of a disintegration.
24:09That's a moister disintegration. Exactly right. Okay. Listen, Kyler's not the same player.
24:13That's the declaration that I'm going to make. Kyler's not the same player he was when he came into the league.
24:20Kyler's athleticism and pre-injury abilities are not the same as post-injury to me.
24:24He's become disconnected from the team in Arizona at multiple times.
24:28He has lost his ability to step under the pocket and be patient.
24:32We can say, hey, you know what? Kevin O'Connell's going to fix everything.
24:36Except for Kevin O'Connell did not fix J.J. McCarthy.
24:39He did not turn J.J. McCarthy into a player.
24:42So, you know, there's at least that reality in play.
24:46And to me, you look at the last 12 starts that Kyler Murray played for fantasy purposes.
24:51Two of the 12 you're happy with. The other 10 disasters.
24:55These are healthy Kyler Murray on the field across two years.
24:58He doesn't do what he used to do. And unfortunately, like when we say breakout or bust, to me that puts him in a bust category for fantasy.
25:08But he could still be a successful quarterback for Minnesota relative to what they had.
25:13And for Justin Jefferson, I just don't have as high of expectations as maybe you guys do.
25:18Yeah, I mean, I see the bowl case that exists.
25:22You know, you definitively saying that Kyler is just not the same.
25:26He doesn't have the athleticism. You know, that is definitely what we saw with the final stint of his career in Arizona.
25:33But also, I don't know how hard he's playing for that team, for this city.
25:38You know, a lot of the issues was he wasn't going to stand there in the pocket and take a hit.
25:45But right now, he's playing for a career, for a job, for a new organization to make sure.
25:51You know, I think there is motivation. Some of what he did poorly was really the mental, you know, part of the game.
25:58And I think that that is something that Kevin O'Connell can actually work on and fix.
26:04And when you say he didn't fix J.J. McCarthy, we don't know that McCarthy was fixable.
26:09It wasn't like... Might just be a turd. Right.
26:12Unpolishable. This was, you know, a situation where Carson Wentz was not too bad in his brief stint there.
26:18Kyler, I believe, will have success for fantasy this year.
26:21I think he will be the starter. I think he will run the ball.
26:26And with the weapons he has, which is, you know, better than he had in Arizona with Justin Jefferson, I think this
26:33is probably a value in fantasy to me. I don't see him being a top six quarterback most likely.
26:40But if you told me at the end of the year that he finished at quarterback five because he actually threw 26
26:47touchdowns and also ran for 700 yards on this offense, I can see that in the range of outcomes.
26:53I thought maybe you had something to contribute there, Mike.
26:56I mean, he is truly a wild card. I can see both situations equally playing out.
27:02The fact that he's pretty dirt cheap in terms of ADP, he feels like a player that if you're drafting a second
27:09quarterback in a single quarterback league, that he's a great target for that because you might find out very quickly that it's actually going to work for him.
27:18Like, I was just thinking through the weapons. Okay, the weapons of Arizona versus Minnesota.
27:23And it's a harder discussion. We're going to be talking about Michael Wilson.
27:27How does a player who's capable of what Michael Wilson did in the second half of the year be completely unused by Kyler Murray?
27:35Marv. Because Michael Wilson was almost completely unused by Jacoby Brissett when Marv was on the field.
27:41Like, it wasn't just that. Like, I mean, we'll get there with Michael Wilson.
27:46That's a pretty big overstatement. He was used significantly less than the games where he didn't have Marv.
27:52Well, I think that that is still TBD. Just move it to Michael Wilson.
27:56Michael Wilson is the next wild card. The reason I say TBD on Michael Wilson is because there was a clear and
28:03defined breakout of Michael Wilson that took place. And I think everything from that point forward is solid evidence.
28:10But before they integrated him into the offense in that fashion, and I understand that it was as a result of Harrison
28:17missing time, like once the cat was out of the bag, so to speak, from that point on, even when Marv came back and had opportunities.
28:26It's every game that Marv. So in the second half from the bye week out, Michael Wilson has three red games.
28:33Those are the only three that Marv played? Marv didn't play from week 14 through 18?
28:38So Marv... He didn't play 14, 15, and then he came back and played less than half the snaps in the final two weeks.
28:46I would say week 16, because he didn't play a full game in week 17, but in week 16, Marv was there for...
28:53Marv played 51% of the snaps. Yeah, still the majority of that game.
28:58But that was where Michael Wilson was two for 52.
29:01Now, Michael Wilson was a part of this team before Marvin Harrison was on it, right?
29:06Correct. One year prior. So, I mean, when you go out and you put up a 1,600-plus yard pace in a stretch, I feel like that is...
29:15I think that's amazing evidence over that long period of time of what you're capable of doing.
29:21Kyler never used him in that regard. That's what it's...
29:24It's so confusing. But I think he earned a very solid role on this offense.
29:29I don't have either of these guys projected super high, for what it's worth.
29:34You're talking about Marv and Wilson? Yeah, like for me, I have them both as wide receiver threes.
29:40I have Marv significantly ahead of Michael Wilson, but that's the whole reason why Michael Wilson's on the wild card.
29:46The second half of the year, he helped people win fantasy championships.
29:50He was a top 10 fantasy wide receiver. So, we have evidence that he can get it done.
29:56The issue, I think, if we're not talking about Marv versus Michael Wilson alone, just Michael Wilson's outlook and outcome.
30:03Last year, we got to this place where we abandoned running the ball.
30:07We really couldn't run the ball. So, we dropped back...
30:10This is speaking as a we for Arizona. For Arizona, yeah.
30:14That was impressive, Jason, because you don't normally do that.
30:17No, I don't because... I thought we were out.
30:20You're a big fan. I thought... You're a big fan.
30:24Your language does not say you're out. No, it doesn't.
30:27Habits are hard to break. You know, do you know how long I said San Diego Chargers?
30:32Okay, this... You know, they weren't the San Diego Chargers anymore.
30:36But, you know, our Arizona Cardinals... That's your evidence?
30:39Yeah, because I'm used to saying, you know, we or my team.
30:43This whole Travis H.M. thing is going to be tough for Jason.
30:47Yeah, it has been. But think about how, you know, you really...
30:51James Conner got injured. All the running backs got injured.
30:54They just dropped back and threw the ball every single snap.
30:58I mean, they threw... A lot of teams do that and no player produces like this.
31:03League-leading pace of passing. But then you spend the number three pick on Jeremiah Love.
31:08You go out and get Tyler Algier. I think the evidence is not that we want to drop back and lead the league in passing attempts.
31:17Obviously, if you're a bad team, end of the game, you're going to be passing.
31:22But I think the upside case for Michael Wilson is nothing like what we saw at the end of last year.
31:29He was the... Only Puken and Kuo had more fancy points from week 11 through 18 last year.
31:35Second half of the season. So what do you think Andy is like best case?
31:40Like he is that dude because he looked it on film.
31:43This current team, Marv active, whatever. What is his most bullish best fantasy finish?
31:48In terms of like wide receiver number? Yeah. Probably 15.
31:51Yeah. That would be a good return. If the season went that way.
31:55I mean, you're talking probably about 1,100 yards and seven touchdowns, something like that.
32:00I mean, I'm not trying to make a case to go draft Michael Wilson and reach for him.
32:06But I'm saying that I want to reward... Rather than just sit here and say...
32:11I'm seeing an ADP of 35. Wide receiver 35.
32:14Yeah, I mean... So it's like this is... This is a free player.
32:18You're not... You are not over-investing. Michael Wilson is in the territory with Sutton, Metcalf.
32:23I mean, he's... Where's Marv? He's number 34 from what I'm seeing.
32:27So right next to Wilson. Don't you feel like...
32:30I mean, it's much... Marv has much more to prove than Michael Wilson does.
32:35Well, he's got much higher expectations as well. Yeah.
32:38Both of them. I'm just saying like there is a...
32:41I think that there are a couple of outcomes.
32:44Like, wouldn't you agree that we can mix Marv into it as well?
32:48But wouldn't you agree Marv is a wild card?
32:51Marv was going late in drafts. And Marv has like a make or break feeling to this season in Arizona.
32:58His dad's been vocal. About the culture and opportunities for his son in Arizona.
33:02The likelihood that the Cardinals are drafting Dante Moore or Arch Manning or one of these young quarterbacks going into next year.
33:10Resetting the development of Marvin Harrison is pretty high.
33:13I just want to give Michael Wilson credit for being able to accomplish what lots of other teams that try to go
33:20out there and throw the football all the time.
33:23Their receivers don't go up and put the second best numbers up in the entire NFL behind Puka Nakua.
33:29And it wasn't just like luck of the draw.
33:32There were contested catches, touchdowns, all those big plays.
33:35There were short passes, middle of the field. It was a very impressive showing by him.
33:40I think the worst thing that could happen for him though is Marvin Harrison taking targets.
33:46Because we know the number one on this team is Trey McBride.
33:50Like he will lead the team in targets. That's why both of these guys are being drafted in the 30s.
33:56Right. So it has down as you seem to be on Wilson at that ADP.
34:01Like are you still under that? Oh, I'm way under that, yeah.
34:05Oh, man. Mike, where are you? I have him a few spots ahead of ADP.
34:10I think I'm six spots ahead of ADP. 33.
34:13Which is like nothing. Yeah. You want to take Wandale in Tennessee or take a shot at Michael Wilson?
34:19Those are going to be your decisions. Right. So I can't call him a bust for fantasy if that's his ADP.
34:26Well, I mean, I don't think you're taking him where you're taking Wandale.
34:31I mean, like Mike said, DK Metcalf, Mekhi Lemon.
34:34I see him next to Brian Thomas Jr. Wandale is much lower.
34:38That's what I mean. Oh, okay. So you are drafting Michael Wilson where there are important players that I would rather take a shot on them.
34:46So range of outcomes. I mean, if we're saying kind of on this episode breakout or bust of these players and just
34:53kind of call the shot, we can all see both sides, I would be more on the bust side.
35:00But he played very well last year and looked the part on film.
35:04The problem is I need justice in the world.
35:07And the justice is this dude was awesome for your team.
35:11Marv was not. I don't care where Marv was drafted or what he was drafted to be.
35:16Yeah, let's be the 49ers here and play the best players.
35:20Marv would love to put up a season like Michael Wilson just had last year.
35:25Yeah, you got it. So that's what I mean.
35:28I'm conflicted of I have great news. Of what is right and just for the world.
35:33And I have great news for that justice. Okay.
35:36Michael Wilson is an unrestricted free agent at the end of this year.
35:40He's going to hit the free agent market and go be a legitimate wide receiver too for a team and be really
35:48good and play well and I think he'll be better in 2027 than he is in 2026.
35:53So far we've talked about Jacoby Reset in the news and then we've had to talk about Kyler Murray, the former Cardinal
36:00and then Michael Wilson, the actual Cardinal. Can we not do this anymore?
36:05Are they exciting? Are they really fun, great players?
36:08Booty Scootin' Bhaysal Tuten coming up. Oh! The wild card himself.
36:11Basial Tootin' of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Right now his underdog ADP is RB26.
36:16His sleeper ADP is RB23 in the fifth round.
36:19He's 24 years old, a fourth round draft pick.
36:22Played behind Travis H.N. Jr. last year among 55 qualified running backs.
36:2655! Fifth in rush success rate, fifth in percentage of yards after contact, tied with Breeshoff for 11th enforced missed tackle rate.
36:33That's right. He was very limited in those opportunities, so you do tend to see efficiency numbers jump off the page, but
36:40you've got to give him credit for them. What's his...
36:43He had 15 attempts in week 11. That was the most, like, single...
36:48It was the only double-digit carry count of the season.
36:51So we just haven't seen a ton of Basial Tootin?
36:54We haven't. And the usage of Tootin... HN's... Thank you.
36:58HN's... Like, he got rewarded. He got the... He got the bag and turned into Rumbelaya.
37:03But it's like... I don't know if you guys remember it as I do, but the Jags in the playoffs, there was
37:10this stretch where Tootin had three carries in a row, I believe?
37:14And there were, like, these huge 15-yard carries and then you're like, and that's enough Tootin.
37:19Like, the way they used him was very bizarre for the amount of success that he was having.
37:25I know they brought Crod in, but I'm very much on the Basial Tootin side as a breakout.
37:31It comes with risk, but that's baked into the ADP.
37:35And I just... I don't see a world where Tootin, on this Jags offense, that the Liam Cohen offense, we're multiple years
37:42into the experience now, just let the fantasy points, let them wash over you.
37:47Like, I mean, that would have been... That's Bucky's year, right?
37:50Because two years ago it was Bucky on Tampa Bay and that would have been Cohen, right?
37:56Yeah. So it's like, he will... He'll give a guy a ton of the work and Tootin profiles to get the receiving work.
38:03Goal line is up in the air because both Crod and Tootin were very successful at that.
38:09But it's like, I feel like it's the incumbents opportunity and job to lose and I think that Tootin holds onto it.
38:16Yeah. I'm a little bit more neutral. I'm very excited about the potential breakout here.
38:21I don't... If you want to go in... Kyle looked it up.
38:25I was right. It was three carries in a row in that playoff game.
38:302014-13. Then they just... Then they stopped giving... That's enough.
38:33Dude, it would... That was the game against Buffalo.
38:36It was so bizarre. They want to keep the offense on the field, Mike.
38:41If you score a touchdown too quick, your D has to come in and play.
38:46You got to take your time with it. Tootin's upside is certainly obvious to see.
38:51You've got a top 10 running back in fantasy last year that left this team and there's a great offense.
38:57I think the offense we want pieces of and this is why I think, Andy, you like Trevor Lawrence so much because
39:04it's like, oh, is it Brian Thomas Jr.? Is it Parker Washington?
39:08Is it... Who's going to be the one? Well, they all go to T-Law.
39:13But the running game, they pass the ball. I mean, ETN has gotten...
39:17Or A-Chan has gotten a ton of passes from Trevor Lawrence and so if it's Tootin catching the ball...
39:24Who would you... Look what Allen... Amir Abdullah... Those guys...
39:27It's really just a matter of will they bring in a really segmented backfield?
39:32Will they have their pass catcher, their goal line guy, their between the 20 guy and then you could...
39:38I could easily see this being a disappointing backfield but usually good bets in fantasy are neutral, like ambiguous backfields on great offenses.
39:45Yeah. I mean, on one hand, you've got to look at Chris Rodriguez and say, look, he had the biggest opportunity last year that he's ever had.
39:54He turned 112 carries into 500 yards, scored six touchdowns, was 4.5 a carry.
39:59And they kept going back to Bill. He's still 26 years old.
40:03The opportunities he got, he took advantage of in Washington.
40:06I agree. I agree. I just feel like it's a bit of a wild card.
40:11Yeah, both of these guys. I think that Basial Tootin is more likely to be the star than Chris Rodriguez but the
40:18cost difference, I'm almost more likely to go in on, because Chris Rodriguez is left for dead.
40:24No, he's a double-digit round pick, just absolutely, you know, no one wants him.
40:29Basial Tootin is not. He's being drafted, I think, as like the running back 26.
40:34By the time the season comes, he'll be being drafted as an RB2.
40:38This is one that you really want to watch closely in the camp battle as well.
40:43I think it's going to inform us a lot.
40:46You got to remember too, like one little, there's two sides to this one.
40:51One, they didn't draft somebody. Right. They won nine of their last 10 games.
40:55Travis HM was a big part of their winning and they didn't draft somebody.
41:00They could have tried to replace the position. So that says, hey, I have confidence at least in Tootin being there and then bringing in C-Rod.
41:09The other thing about Tootin is he was on, he was on the injury report a couple times last year.
41:15Week 11, he was on the injury report. Week 14, and he missed three games due to a finger injury.
41:22He's a little smaller than Chris Rodriguez is, so the goal line will be interesting there.
41:27But I lean, like if you're just saying, based on what we know now, being drafted RB23, I probably lean pretty neutral to that spot, if I'm honest.
41:36It's probably worth taking a shot at 23. So the evidence we have, you know, so for Cohen, you had Rumbelaya with 260 carries and 52 targets.
41:45Bucky's year, two years ago, he had 207 carries and 52 targets.
41:49Like, it's really about the passing game. And I'm going to project that Tootin will see the 50 plus targets here.
41:56And I bet he sees over 200 carries as well.
42:0014 targets last year for baseball Tootin on. Yeah, I mean, the passing game out of the backfield was entirely Travis H.N.
42:07Jr., which is why I can kind of forgive Basial Tootin for not doing that.
42:12At Virginia Tech, he saw 12% of their receptions.
42:15That's a good enough number to say, okay, he can do that.
42:19He can do it better than Searod. Yeah, and that's the thing.
42:23I think the passing work for multiple years, the passing work out of the backfield has been where we get fantasy points from the Jacksonville Jaguars.
42:31If it goes to Tootin, it's the worst check down opportunity in football though, statistically speaking.
42:37In terms of routes run by the, like wasted routes from the running back position, it is the worst situation.
42:43Wasted routes as in lowest percentage of routes run targeted?
42:46Lowest percentage of running back routes run targeted by the quarterback at check down.
42:51I think that just means that they're running a ton of routes.
42:55Well, his check down percentage, it's a combination. It's the check down percentage of Trevor Lawrence combined with the wasted routes at the running back position.
43:04A piece of information that I, Kyle, we're sure on this?
43:07He's saying Chris Rodriguez was with Cohen at Kentucky.
43:10Oh yeah, he was. Yeah, that was a reuniting.
43:13Okay. But, but he's caught six passes in his life.
43:17Yeah. That's not a joke. Crawd. Crawd. Six catches.
43:20As a pro. As a, in his career. But, but statistically speaking, Trevor Lawrence checks the ball down the least.
43:26So that's something to pay attention to as well.
43:29if you give me 52 targets, I'll take them.
43:32We'll take a break. We'll talk about some more wild cards.
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44:29What on earth do we do with Bucky Irving?
44:32Dude. Someone tell me. I think you go in on Bucky Irving.
44:36I mean, personally, I know that they, the back behind him has been replaced.
44:41Kenneth Gainwell comes in. But as much as we don't like Rashad White, he was a valuable part of this team, a team leader.
44:49He was very involved. He was a guy who got a lot of opportunities.
44:53Yes, he got a lot of opportunities. I think that last year, Bucky was injured.
44:58I mean, we know that, right? The shoulder injury happened.
45:02He was never the same. There were all sorts of, you know, he was frustrated even mentally with the physical injury.
45:09Just had another procedure on the shoulder. So we know it was never healed during last season.
45:14But he started the season great. The team wants him to be that guy.
45:19I think he's going to have the opportunity to start to be that guy.
45:23I really do. So the question is just, do you think he has it or not?
45:29He's being drafted higher on, in terms of the sleeper ADP than he is the underdog ADP right now.
45:35Which is weird because the underdog is, you know, it's best ball.
45:39You're looking for upside. He is a true wild card because Mike just, well, we were just talking about Liam Cohen's offense
45:46and how successful he was in it and how confident we have, you know, people are confident in Kenny Gainwell and the opportunities that he's had.
45:55And he was a league leading or the team leading receiver for Pittsburgh last year.
46:00It's, I guess I say it this way. If Bucky Irving is struggling with injury to start the season, Kenny Gainwell is
46:07the kind of guy that's going to make it really annoying for him to be the bell cow from that point on.
46:14Because I think Kenny Gainwell will have enough success in that opportunity.
46:18How tantalized are you by what Bucky was able to do before he got hurt and before the tumult of last year?
46:26I mean, you have to be pretty tantalized because Bucky didn't do average stuff.
46:30Like, we were going into last season talking about how almost universally we're out when a fourth round running back hits as
46:37a rookie because the team is not committed to them.
46:41But the way that Bucky hit was not like the way that we've seen, you know, what was the Texans, Damon, and Damian Pierce.
46:49You know, we knew, like, he had a great rookie season.
46:52It's like, eh, they're not committed to him. This is not their guy.
46:57That just didn't seem the way with Bucky. Bucky was so explosive, so important.
47:01He took over that role in his rookie season when they liked Rashad White and they're just like, we can't stop giving Bucky the ball.
47:09Highlight after highlight after highlight. And then last season, efficiency was way down.
47:143.4 a carry. Way down. 54th out of 55 qualifying running backs.
47:1852nd in rush success rate. Zero carries inside the five.
47:21Sean Tucker's still there. If Gainwell's taking pass catching and Tucker's taking goal line, you've got a between the 20s shoulder problem.
47:28I am... If... I agree... I hate the ADP.
47:31I agree completely if Gainwell takes the pass catching.
47:34That would ruin Bucky. And he should probably. If I was Tampa, that's what I'd want to happen.
47:40Gainwell's elite in that department. I think Bucky's better.
47:43As a pass catcher, I think he's better than Gainwell.
47:46And that's not to take anything from Gainwell. He's very, very good at that as well.
47:52But, I mean, Bucky can do special things, break plays that I don't think Gainwell's going to.
47:57Gainwell's just a solid, really capable pass catcher, but he's not a game breaker.
48:02Before the injury, that was the number that was really making the weeks for Bucky.
48:07Oh, for sure. 4 for 4, 6 for 6, 4 for 4, 5 for 5 in the receiving game.
48:13It's an 80 target pace. And an 80 reception.
48:16And he had 47 receptions the year before. Baker's just, Baker's very good at feeding his running backs.
48:22Yeah, Rashad White was like 100% catcher. Bucky Irving, 100%.
48:25Remember when Cam Newton struggled with the check down throws to CMC sometimes?
48:30It's too strong. Baker knows how to do it.
48:33Yeah, I mean, Bucky is certainly... I'm out. I'm out on ADP.
48:37You're both out. I'm out because of ADP, which is the whole question.
48:41I'm out because I hate the ADP and I just feel like there's so many ways for it to go wrong.
48:48Where's he being drafted? What running back number? I have him right now...
48:5215. I've got him at my running back 16, so I've got him right about there.
48:57Yeah, I'm just... I got him at 22. Maybe the lack of utilization inside the five was all shoulder, so they wanted
49:05Sean Tucker to be the hammer at that point.
49:08But knowing that these are the options that are in front and the money they gave Gainwell, I find Bucky to be a very scary proposition.
49:16Are you guys fine? You know, we talk about sometimes...
49:20We've got players that we're fine being wrong on.
49:23Yes. Yeah, I'll say that. Are you fine being wrong on him?
49:27I am. Because I think that if we are wrong, it's going to be a real...
49:32Yeah, yeah, yeah. This one's going to be like, I don't think you're going to be fine.
49:37I think you're going to be real sad. Yeah.
49:40Talent-wise, are you taking him ahead of Kyron Williams, Jason?
49:44No, no. I've got Kyron in my top 10.
49:47Brees Hall? Yeah, I would take him ahead of Brees.
49:50Okay. I mean, those are interesting names. And Henry is also one spot behind Bucky right now.
49:56There's one big name that we have to talk about.
49:59We have to. We haven't done it enough. Henry, of course.
50:03Yes. Isaiah Likely. Yeah. Tight end of the New York Giants.
50:06We are... Post, post, post-hype sleeper. He's reunited with Harbaugh.
50:09When he played football as the primary tight end without Mark Andrews, he averaged 50 receiving yards per game, 12.5 fantasy points per game.
50:17We have spent so much time talking about Malik Nabors' knee injury, the ACL, the meniscus, the second surgery, the timeline.
50:24They lost Wanda. And you look at who's going to fill the void in New York while Nabors gets back up to speed.
50:32And then, look, if you have high expectations, and I know both of you do, for Jackson Dart, it's not going to
50:39come all on the back of one dude that's coming back from an ACL injury.
50:44You still have confidence. We just haven't spent a lot of time pass-catching options for the Giants that may be the main guys to start the season.
50:53They obviously have Slayton, but Malachi Fields was the draft pick.
50:57Isaiah Likely comes in. Darnell Mooney's a part of this roster.
51:00I think a lot of people, I don't think we've talked about it enough, and I think a lot of people want us to talk about Isaiah Likely.
51:10Signed a three-year, $40 million contract, $26 million guaranteed.
51:13Big boy contract. You know, Harbaugh came out and said, when asked about Isaiah Likely evolving into a high-volume tight end for
51:20the Giants, he said, the numbers you're talking about, the stats, that wasn't part of the thing in Baltimore because of the supporting cast, so to speak.
51:29It's going to be a big year. Didn't he also say Likely was going to be a pro bowler last year?
51:36Yeah. He had a very pump him up. This is why I'm calling him a post-post.
51:41I feel like every year he's supposed to break out, supposed to take over the Andrews role.
51:47It's not abnormal for tight ends to be post-post-post-post.
51:50Sure. In Joku's other world, Ingram, took a long time.
51:53But the, tracking the narrative of Isaiah Likely is extremely difficult.
51:57Like when, when Andrews re-upped, and I know Harbaugh's not the GM, but they chose Mark Andrews to give him an extension last year.
52:04And, like, Harbaugh, I'm sure at that time was like, yeah, I'm going to be, I'll still be the coach of the Ravens.
52:12And it was like, yeah, let's, okay, we got Andrews longer.
52:16And, and Likely just, Likely was, was needed. I mean, Baltimore pass catchers, it has been a problem for, forever.
52:22You have Flowers and Mark Andrews, and then it's like the ghost of Rashad Bateman.
52:27And, like, okay, well, we got Hopkins here for a couple catches.
52:31And you've got Lamar throwing them all. They really, really needed someone.
52:35And it just never happened for Likely. So it's the, how, why does it work this time?
52:41That's like, it's the question for me. One thing I'll say, and you guys talk about whether you agree, whether it's a
52:48problem for him, is that when you watch Jackson Dart have success last year, Neighbors wasn't on the field.
52:54But one thing he did do was he connected with Theo Johnson frequently.
52:59Six out of the 10 game, in a 10 game stretch, six times, Theo Johnson was a top 10 fantasy tight end.
53:06And I think we'd all agree, Isaiah likely brings a little bit more to the table versatility, big play wise than Theo Johnson does.
53:14Theo Johnson brings some big mitts and some opportunities, but it was a priority to get the ball to the tight end.
53:21I wonder if we could be undercounting that part of the offense for New York.
53:26We could. I just, it's the history of Likely, of how to, with the same guy.
53:31Are you thinking it's unlikely? Yeah, it's unlikely. The money, the money says it should work.
53:37And the opportunity says it should work. I just don't.
53:40Yeah, the money says big plans. The money says big plans.
53:44And I just don't see Jackson Dart having success without Likely being involved.
53:48Bringing up Theo Johnson can be, can work in both directions.
53:51That's what I was saying. Maybe it hurts you because you have a split.
53:56Yeah, exactly. I think it's one of those where Theo Johnson's not just going to disappear.
54:01Theo and Jackson Dart have like a close personal relationship as well.
54:05They're both going to be on the field. I mean, last year you had the Andrews Likely and it works and they were a good team.
54:14I think Likely's great for the Giants. But, and maybe this is the fantasy burns of having Isaiah Likely in my main Dynasty Leagues forever.
54:22You still got him? Yeah. I'll take him. You may have him for any first round pick you'd like to have.
54:29Oh, okay. Okay. I'm just saying. Offer on the table.
54:32He's good. Look, wild card breakout. He acted mad at me.
54:36Wild card breakout. Isaiah Likely probably going to dominate.
54:39Oh, no. What are you doing? Oh, he's just throwing out some new stuff to try to get the trade off.
54:46We know statistically since a second. Hold on. 27 seconds.
54:49Let me read Jason's sweet, sweet lineup here. Here's his four tight ends.
54:54Oh, yeah. The baggage, the baggage carried by these four tight ends in Dynasty is incredible.
54:59You ready for this, Mike? I'm ready. We got Isaiah Likely of the New York Giants.
55:04We just talked about him at length. Don't worry, we still got Mark Andrews.
55:09Yeah. There's a lot of money in those two tight ends.
55:12Then we've got just, he don't got a team, but it don't matter.
55:17You got Darren the Wallerist sitting there on the bench.
55:20any moment now. I mean, we not to be outpaced by Kyle Pitts on this bench, baby.
55:26Pitts, Waller, Andrews, Likely. I mean, two old stars, two future stars.
55:30How do you build a Dynasty roster any better?
55:33I don't think you can. I don't think you can.
55:36So statistically, you're one Gadsden away from a perfect roster.
55:39I made a trade offer for Fannin. Oh, I did it.
55:43Since 2010, 78% of tight end breakouts occur before year five.
55:46I sent you a trade offer, Jay. And Isaiah likely is going into year five, so it would make his breakout statistically an outlier.
55:54Unlikely. Yes. It's not the pun. But you already did the pun.
55:58I know. You can't go back. Yeah, you can go back to that because this isn't named.
56:04You can't pun the pun. But you can rename.
56:07Now he is Isaiah. It's also the natural thing you should have said.
56:11It was just a natural thing. I made him an offer, Mike.
56:15For likely? Yeah. Theo Johnson for Isaiah likely. Dad.
56:18It's, it's, it's, interesting. Yeah, I mean, statistically speaking, more likely that Theo Johnson has a breakout at this stage of his career.
56:26give us some thought. Yeah. He probably rejected it already.
56:29Um, okay. I mean, some good stuff brought to light there.
56:33I think, how, how does Jackson Dart succeed without neighbors and without likely?
56:37Can't, I think Scadaboo's going to be probably the second leading target receiver on this offense.
56:42I, I believe the checkdowns will be there. Like, the Christian McCaffrey level usage is possible for, for, for Scat.
56:49I mean, by the end of the season, I, I still wonder how strong he'll be to start the season.
56:55How high do you have Scat on your ranks?
56:58Probably not high enough. Um, I, I, I've got Scat right now at running back 15.
57:04Only because I, he's 19. Yeah. You're up above only because I have him getting off to a slow start.
57:10I mean, if I was, if I saw the fully healthy, what if he gets off to a fast start, then he
57:18will be a, like the running back six. The, the giants is just a bunch of injury monitoring we got going on for training camp.
57:26Theo Johnson, it took him two years to, in his second year, he's had a, a higher statistical season output than likely has in four years.
57:34I, you know what I mean? This is, I look at, this is why this is so confusing.
57:40If likely was not signed, Theo would be one of the, all in on Theo would have been one of the biggest,
57:48um, yes, like breakout candidates to tie it in for the year.
57:52I would, I was, my body was fully prepared for a Theo Johnson breakout call, but then they signed.
57:58I like, they're likely. I like, I like, I like, I mean, that is, that is, I heard I Carly in my head, but it's like, what?
58:07Why? You had Theo. It's weird. maybe this trade, I should pull it back.
58:11Hold on. Okay. Um, I think we're going to wrap it up right there.
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