0:00Hey, this is Patrick Mahomes, quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
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0:11Welcome in! I thought in honor of that intro you were going to give us a like a...
0:17Welcome in! It's me! Patrick! Yeah, yeah! Look, I get it.
0:20It's old, it's tired, but it's still funny to me.
0:24It's not easy recovering from an ACL. That's pretty good.
0:27That is actually very good. That's a pretty good Patrick Mahomes.
0:31Welcome into the podcast. Mike the Fantasy Hitman is here.
0:34Jason Moore, present, accounted for. I'm Andy Holloway and we are back.
0:38And it is an exciting time in the world of fantasy football.
0:42Oh man! If you were on social medias yesterday...
0:44Oh gosh! Holy crap! Well yeah, we can... What a ride!
0:48Talk about the Jinty situation. The news that we've gotten since the red alert has been positive for Ashton Jinty.
0:55However, I don't know what situation... I mean there were so many people in the middle of drafts.
1:00Yeah. Or that had drafted and had regrets with Jinty that were drafting and didn't know where to take Jinty or Mike Washington.
1:08I mean you should at least set it up if we're going to talk about it.
1:13There's some people who probably don't know what it is.
1:16Okay, well I'll press pause and then we'll talk all the way through it.
1:21There we go. Lots going on. Almost too much.
1:24Almost too much going on. But we do have a UDK for Life giveaway today.
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1:46But we'll be answering your questions. So you've got drafts coming up.
1:50I did a little poll this weekend. And it looked like above 75% of people still had their main drafts in the future.
1:58Although a lot of people did do some drafts this weekend.
2:01A lot of you are in lots of leagues so they're probably all over the place.
2:06I have one right now for the FFT Open that I am in the middle of doing.
2:12I took Pukunakua at the 6th spot. I mean that's great getting him at 6 if he plays, you know.
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2:40Injuries stuff. Look, injuries are an important thing to do.
2:43We've got our dude, certified PT, Matthew Betts. He gives his thoughts on what's going on with certain injuries.
2:50No, we were all over that Jinty situation too.
2:52We were updating that as it was happening. Best we could.
2:56Yeah, I was like, what do we do? The team took a knee, said prayers, had like a big...
3:02Successful prayers. Right, yeah. Thank goodness they did. Imagine if he didn't.
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3:17We have the Megalobowl going on right now. Drafts are happening for the Megalobowl.
3:22And this, it's much more stormy this year. The Megalobowl is stormier than previous years.
3:27The weather, the El Nino coming in, bringing the storms.
3:30Yeah, I mean... I don't remember there being storms in the previous...
3:34It looks awesome. Yeah. But it's also like, yeah, why...
3:37Sharks are pretty scary. Yeah, sharks... You don't need lightning and stuff, but...
3:41It's like doubling down. But I think... If I was in the ocean, I'm scared of sharks.
3:47It is way more terrifying if it's lightning and storm.
3:50Okay. Now I'm like, I just... Maybe I'm wanting the shark now.
3:54The footballs in the background are a wonderful flotation device though, if you are lost out there.
3:59There's no way your arms can... You'd have to climb up onto those gigantic footballs.
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4:10We had over 21,000 last year. Or those are teeny tiny sharks.
4:14You can go to Megalobowl.com to pick a draft time and draft with us.
4:18I told you there's a lot going on guys.
4:21And then on Friday... Oh! Friday we have our live show out here in Phoenix.
4:26And that will be the Saturday bonus episode of the show.
4:30So you'll be able to watch that. We'll be live at the Van Buren in Phoenix on Friday night with 800 strong mighty Foot Clan members in attendance.
4:39And... I'm willing to bet right now someone is listening to this.
4:43They saved this episode. They're listening on their drive to Phoenix to see us at the live show.
4:48All right. See you soon. Before we get into the quick question, quick shout out to Sleeper by the way for hosting the...
4:56Yes. Hosting the Megalobowl. So that'll be... Yeah, the same place it's been.
5:00Yeah, it just makes it so easy. Makes it easier.
5:03All right. Any takeaways or reactions from week two of the preseason?
5:07I had four things that I wrote down and I'll just go through them really quickly.
5:12I wrote Titans defense down. I think it might be the number one team to play against your players against.
5:19Oh, man. I was like, what is Andy seeing?
5:22So they stood out more than the Titans offense, huh?
5:25I have Ward and Tate written down. Ward? Maybe.
5:28Ward is... He's playing that way. Cam Ward. Ward is the worst J-Lo style...
5:33I mean, what was the Ben Affleck and J-Lo nickname?
5:36Oh, when you combine them. Yeah, the combo names.
5:39What was... What were they called? I can't think of any of them.
5:43I should know this. When they mashed the two names together.
5:46I wasn't listening. I'm sorry. J-Lo and Affleck. What was their...
5:50Didn't they make it? Bennifer? Yeah. Thank you, Kyle.
5:53Well, Ward sucks. Ward is not a good one.
5:56But Ward and Tate, I mean... Hope he's all right.
5:59Tate hasn't caught any passes in the preseason, so...
6:02He's had targets. Um... I... I have to give Ian Hartitz a shout-out because he posted the season-long projection for Carnell Tate.
6:09Um, based off of... Oh. And it was like 125 targets, zero catches, zero receptions, zero touchdowns.
6:15Stupid Ian being so good at Twitter. He's funny.
6:18Um, I wrote Stribbling down, obviously. He's had a great preseason.
6:21We talked about his... Both of his games. And then I just wrote Cleveland down as a word.
6:27Oh, what a... What a... Oh. I just put Cleveland down.
6:31I mean... Brother. I don't know. Dog pound. Like, this guy stinks!
6:35I mean... Dog pound. I'm so sorry. It's worse than Arizona.
6:38It is absolutely worse than Arizona. At least they have Miles Garrett.
6:42Oh. You might be able to... I'm not even saying football.
6:46Like, football, you might win more games than the Cardinals.
6:49I hope you do as a Cardinals fan. But that situation, I mean, what a...
6:54Some franchises, man. What a joke. When they were saying dog pound, I'm sure they were like, you know, it's the real.
7:01We're aggressive. We're dogs. They didn't, like, think through the sad part that happens at the pound.
7:06Yeah. They are the dog. Oh, crap. Yeah. Just saying.
7:10They don't... Not all the dogs go to a happy home?
7:13Yeah. Okay. My takeaways from preseason were... You had some of the backups who've been injured forever.
7:19Jonathan Brooks, Marshawn Lloyd actually start and play and do things.
7:22And it's like, oh, that's exciting. You had... You got to see Waddle and Bo Nix.
7:27Oh, that was cool. That was fun. Yeah, that made me...
7:31I'm gonna be honest with you. We say don't overreact to the preseason.
7:35Yeah, yeah, yeah. When that play happened, I went and made a trade offer for Jalen Waddle.
7:41Dude. I'm not even kidding. Welcome aboard. Yeah. Being hot and bothered.
7:45I mean... We've all got Waddle higher. At least you might do.
7:49Yeah, yeah. When I said in the offseason where it was like, I was watching Bo Nix deep throws and I was like, man, he needs Waddle.
7:57And then that play happens. It's like, that's exactly what they needed.
8:01They knew it. They went out and they got him.
8:04We saw the Bucky, Irving, Kenneth Gainwell split. That is...
8:08The split. Might be... And I think the Christian Watson, Matthew Golden clearly confirmed two wide receiver sets.
8:14Right. Watson looked great. Golden looked good. Yeah, I...
8:16Tell Sertan to knock it off. Calm down, man.
8:19It's preseason. One more Titans bit was Pollard getting eight of eight opportunities.
8:24Oh, man. So... Go ahead. Don't. Don't. Take him from me.
8:27Big news to talk about. News and notes from around the league.
8:31So the whole overview of the Ashton Jinty situation was mid-Sunday.
8:35We were, you know, we were just having a nice day.
8:38Preseason was happening. You know, I was trying to relax and then you get this news that Ashton Jinty has gone down
8:45at practice and that he had to be helped off the field.
8:49Couldn't put weight on one of his legs. And the team had gathered to like stop practice and have a moment and...
8:56Literally, they stopped the music to the practice. This was what was reported.
9:01The team took a break, took a knee. They started playing taps, right?
9:05On the... Yeah. And it was like when you have that...
9:08I mean, you see it all the time. When something happens, an injury that's really bad...
9:14Yeah. Where the team has to take a knee.
9:17Yeah. And you go out of respect, you know what's going on, whether...
9:21And so we just assumed we were waiting for the ACL news.
9:25This could be... Yeah, this could be significant. Yeah.
9:28Season ending was these times. The headline was like, some people pulled like instantly, some other sites pulled Jinty instantly from their rankings.
9:35People's drafts were going on. We were actively talking in the moment.
9:39Like my instant plan for Jinty was like, we don't know how bad this injury is.
9:44It seems... Do we pull him? Do we not?
9:47I just took him down a little bit. Me too.
9:50And I moved his risk rating all the way up and we had...
9:55We updated the blurb and we kind of informed you in the middle of your draft.
10:00But like, if you go... If you swing the pendulum all the way to he's out for the year without any confirmation, this guy's off the draft boards.
10:09Mike Washington is going in the fourth or something and then...
10:12So check this out. Kent Weyrach, a former writer of ours, tweeted this.
10:17Here's some trades that happened in this little tiny window in Dynasty.
10:21Oh boy. Mike Washington for Blake Corum. You got the...
10:24What? I mean, if you thought Washington was a starter, I guess.
10:28Mike Washington in a first for Jalen Waddell. Oh.
10:31Someone got Mike Washington for... They got a 20-27 second for Mike Washington straight up.
10:35How about this one? Straight up, Mike Washington for Brian Thomas.
10:39Brian Thomas Jr., a super young wide receiver who was the wide receiver seven two years ago.
10:45Somehow those all... I can kind of see them happening.
10:48Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the panic. I can feel it.
10:51And you've got Mike Washington in our Dynasty League, right?
10:54Yeah. You should have been out there shopping. Did you even know that?
10:59I don't think I brought that up during that whole situation.
11:02Someone may have mentioned it. But listen, here's the news.
11:05If you're just coming around to it, Adam Schefter, Ian Rappaport co-reporting that Jente is believed to have sprained his ankle and
11:12it is not considered a long-term injury. So he Paul pierced it.
11:16He went down in a heap, got lifted off the field.
11:20Paul Pierce pooped his pants. Jente... I mean... We all know it.
11:24He knows it. I don't believe that. No, no.
11:27I think he's just, you know... He definitely pooped his pants.
11:30Remember he got wheelchaired out and then came back?
11:33Yeah, because of the poopy pants. All right. You can't walk like that.
11:37That's your news. Jente, this could be high ankle.
11:40This could be running into the beginning of the season.
11:44We still don't have... We don't have a diagnostic from the team or an announcement from the team.
11:50We just have reports from reporters. Because if it's a low ankle spring...
11:54I'm sorry for saying his name on the show.
11:57My... Low... Thank you. If it's a low ankle sprain, it's like, okay, well that's no big deal.
12:02Maybe he misses the... Like, we'll just hold him out.
12:06You know, let him recover and he should be good to go week one.
12:10If he has a high ankle sprain, that's like a four to six week injury.
12:15And we know that there is... Like, you aren't full go right when you come back from the...
12:21From that injury. So, if you're drafting soon before that information comes out, it's still...
12:26It's the risk that you have to either accept or pass on based on this little information that we have.
12:32We have news that Deshaun Watson has been named the starter.
12:36Despite... Oh my gosh. The preseason games played. I had seen...
12:40Are you talking Watson, Mike? Are you trying to react to...
12:43There's both. There's both. Well, let's just finish on the Watson.
12:47I think that's the Watson of the... His quotes going on social media of the...
12:52He was not happy with what he felt was very disrespectful of fans booing him.
12:56Even though he's been horrifically bad on the field the last time we saw him.
13:01So, it was like... It's just like, it's not performance.
13:05It's personal. But it could be... It could be both.
13:08It could be both. It can 100% be both.
13:11Somebody gave me a hard time. I posted... The idea came from Matt.
13:15He said, is Deshaun Watson a better player than a person or a better person?
13:20Yeah. And then... I said neither. Well, it was meant to trap.
13:24Yes. Because you'd have to say one or the other and you don't want to.
13:29No. But the point... Somebody responded... Why are you giving him such a hard time?
13:33Other players have made mistakes. We've all got our own opinion.
13:37But here's my answer. Humility. Yeah. Apology. Admitting you did wrong.
13:41In this press conference, he literally said he regrets nothing in his life.
13:45The way you approach these things, I have... You have a right to say what you want to say and I have
13:52a right to have an opinion based on what you say.
13:55That's called... Like, we all judge people that way.
13:58It doesn't mean that... Look, I don't know... I haven't had a conversation with Deshaun Watson nor shall I.
14:05But at the end of the day, this guy, faced up to nothing, has been a $200 million disaster...
14:11Was rewarded with it. Yeah. For the... Yeah. The whole timeline is, hey, you did something wrong.
14:16Obviously. You admitted and apologized for nothing. You were given $200 million.
14:20You rewarded the franchise that gave you that money with the worst play on the field possible.
14:26And then you came back and said you don't like the fan base.
14:30And I'll admit, like, when there were cheers by fans when he hurt himself...
14:34Yeah, that's not cool. That crosses a line too.
14:37But you also... You could have had that press conference and said, you know what?
14:42It's been a long road. That was disappointing to hear, but at the same time...
14:47I gotta be better. I wanna be better and I wanna make this fan base...
14:52It's not hard. You know? What blew my mind is in that press conference when he's saying correctly, he's like, it's not...
14:59They're not just upset. We know that it's not just a play on the field.
15:04It goes beyond that. It's off-field stuff. You know?
15:07It's like, yes, that's correct. And then he goes, so that's pretty hurtful.
15:11It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, dude. I thought he was gonna say, like, so I understand, you know, that that's what the
15:18fans have to go through and I gotta get the play up.
15:22Instead, he's like, that's so mean of you guys.
15:25It's not. Like, what? I mean, fantasy-wise, Casey Concepcion, great player, great opportunity.
15:29Harold Fannin, great player, great opportunity. Denzel Boston's been flashing.
15:33None of these guys... I mean, it is very fair to say none of them are going to be players that you
15:40can 100% guarantee are gonna be great today. Because Watson is not playing good football.
15:45Shadur was playing better than Watson. If you look at the preseason splits, much higher completion percentage.
15:50Otherwise, not that different. And neither one of them is elite or even mid-tier in terms of production.
15:56So, you know, Fannin, the volume, probably safe. Concepcion, the upside, might be nerfed.
16:01And they might want the first pick to turn the page officially.
16:04The last two times... And why did you draft Dylan Gabriel?
16:08Can I just say that? A third-round pick last year, you drafted him.
16:12He wasn't even a part of the worst quarterback competition in the history of football.
16:17Well, Stavansky tried to make him. He gave him the first shot over Shadur.
16:22He is... And it wasn't good enough. Yeah, okay.
16:25So, the last two times that Watson has played for the Cleveland Browns, which would have been 23 and 24, you know,
16:32completing about 62% of his passes, that's not bad.
16:35Except at 6.5 yards per attempt and 5.3 yards per attempt while fumbling five times...
16:39Pro bowler. Shadur or Sandus. In six games and seven games.
16:43Like, Watson is just... Go, I mean, fan and...
16:46Yeah. The play on the field for Watson is not acceptable for a franchise quarterback.
16:51That's a... You can remove literally everything and just say you're not even good enough to...
16:56You shouldn't be on an NFL team. Well, the news we got while we were talking...
17:01Breaking news. Did you even see this, Jason? I did not.
17:05Travion Henderson left practice early Monday after slipping during a cut.
17:08Of course. Got his right ankle and foot and leg looked at.
17:12Oh, man. Was this Vrabel buttering up the field?
17:15Dude. This is... Well, I thought he had mispracticed yesterday or on Saturday for unknown reasons.
17:20And then this is saying early Monday. So, after another...
17:24Maybe he's dealing with something because he slipped on a cut.
17:27I'm gonna spoil something real quick and just take it...
17:30Like, my... We're doing Players We're Embarrassed to Love today.
17:34And we're gonna give you a name that we're very embarrassed to publicly state that we are fans of.
17:40And then we're gonna throw in like a... It's Deshaun Watson.
17:43No, it isn't. That's good though. That would have been a great setup for me during the event.
17:49Unbelievable. But then we're gonna throw just another name out there that is also a name we're Embarrassed to Love.
17:56And Ramondre's the name for today for me. It's a great...
17:59100%. All of my pro-Travo takes and belief and hope does not in any way, shape, or form say that...
18:06I think Ramondre's a fantastic pick. Where he's going right now...
18:09I mean, he is two rounds behind Travion Henderson.
18:12And I had no clue that this injury was happening.
18:16But one of the things I was gonna say was that we all say like if Ramondre goes down, Travion's a monster.
18:23Well, it goes the other way too. And I was gonna bring that up, but we had comments before the injury from
18:30the two of the biggest beat writers in New England this past three days.
18:34So Greg Bedard and Andrew Callahan, Boston Globe, Boston Sports Journal.
18:38Bedard said not even a discussion. Ramondre is way better back at everything.
18:42That's the quote. Andrew Callahan. Stevenson is clearly the RB1 and doesn't want to...
18:47And he didn't want to hear about 50-50 splits.
18:50Yeah. And so you take the... Now that you got an injury...
18:54Like, I don't say with pride that I want to take Ramondre, but I did something I've never done before in my life this past weekend.
19:02And I opened up a trade window. I opened up a trade window before this news to try to pick...
19:09Now it's ruined because Travion's hurt. Now I can't get Ramondre.
19:12Okay. All right. Do you hear it yourself? Maybe I can.
19:16Maybe it's not ruined. But hey, in the seventh round, in the sixth round, there's a chance that Ramondre comes out now.
19:23I mean, I don't know what this injury is.
19:26But either way, you should have a viable starter on a really good team.
19:30Yeah. Good offense. You want pieces of good offenses.
19:33So that's crazy news though. And we'll monitor that.
19:36I mean, that is up in the air right now.
19:39George Kittle activated off the PUP. Christian McCaffrey, after tightness for a long time, finally returned to practice, said that taking time
19:47off in camp was part of the plan. That was so good to hear.
19:51Yeah. No injury. Two different reasons. One, no injury.
19:54And two, that they are like literally worried about it and keeping him fresh because they're doing it because they want to give him the ball a ton.
20:03Dajon Stribling was practicing. Why would they not just say something?
20:07Like, your coach is having to field questions. Well, I, can you like.
20:11Just be like, hey, this is part of the plan.
20:14That McCaffrey worked. It's weird though, right? Like, can you just mark them down as like rest day in training camp?
20:21Or do you have to mark them down? You probably have to mark something.
20:25As an injury. And that's what tightness was. I feel like they get in trouble if they don't say it after or something.
20:33I don't know. Uh, Dajon Stribling, non-contact Jersey had a minor shoulder injury.
20:37Parker Washington returned to practice, but Jacoby Myers was seen in a brace on his right hand in Friday's preseason game.
20:44I hate to say it, but I'm like, you know, one, one piece removed from the Jacksonville wide receiver room and things
20:51start to become a lot easier to project. We'll see what Jacoby Myers health is like.
20:56Michael Pinnock's Jr. cleared for 11 on 11. It's been a pretty good off season for Pinnock's.
21:02I mean, as he's done nothing, as he's done nothing, he, he has not been able to show his skill, which is great news for him.
21:10And Tua at the same time has been awful.
21:13So like you can't imagine a better setup for Pinnock's.
21:16You didn't. I mean, it's perfect. Yeah. You, you look great and you didn't have to do anything.
21:22Exactly. Uh, well played Michael. There've been conversations. I would stay out a little bit longer.
21:28Yeah. About one more. You're going to walk right into the starting job.
21:32Yeah. Just hang, hang out a little bit longer.
21:35Uh, Woody Marks had a great preseason game. That's something we should have brought up.
21:40And the news out of Houston Chronicle, at least one beat writer says the workload might not be 50 50, but we'll
21:47be close between Montgomery and Woody Marks. I do not like hearing that if you're a, like the entire argument for Montgomery
21:54is he is everything for that backfield. If, if Woody Marks is.
21:58I still feel like Jason was right though on the last show about like not seeing Monty at all is saying something about that.
22:05Oh, he's, yeah, he's the starter. He's not, I mean, they, they trade for him.
22:10They give him money. He's, he's the locked in starter and you need to, but people have to play.
22:17So they have Woody Marks out there. It's just what, what is the percent?
22:21That's the entire, the bet on David Montgomery. If Woody Marks is like 30%, all right, you're, you're probably fine, but you're totally fine if he's 30%.
22:30But if you're looking at 40 to 45%, then you have a big problem for David Montgomery.
22:35Chris Bell. This is exciting. Dolphins wide receiver. If you don't know who he is, rookie wide receiver, he is practicing without a non-contact jersey.
22:43I saw a clip of Chris Bell running some routes, looked explosive.
22:47We, we did the leader of the pack segment last week on the Dolphins wideouts.
22:52We all admitted that like if Chris Bell was the healthiest, we probably would all be in that camp.
22:58He was certainly the most highly touted coming out of college.
23:02If not for his knee injury, he was a borderline first round pick and they, they got him at a discount because
23:09he was coming off of the ACL. So it's a, it's exciting because this is a team that needs someone to step up.
23:17The reason I think we landed on Caleb Douglas is because, you know, you hope that someone in a nebulous situation is
23:24able to say, Hey, I'm a special player. We know that that's not too, too at well, maybe Malik Washington steps forward,
23:31but we've seen him a long time. I don't think it's him, but Chris Bell and, and Caleb Douglas now are, have opportunities.
23:38Uh, the chargers officially placed their new Lee signed center, Tyler Biotish on injured reserve ending his season.
23:44Oh my gosh. The people hate it. It's, it's terrible.
23:47It's the worst preloaded excuse for Herbert. All set.
23:50You got to have them in the barrel. Yeah.
23:53Um, the, the thing about Biotish was, was weird because he, he was cut.
23:58You know what I mean? It's in the barrel.
24:01It should have been in the chamber. Yeah. If it's in the barrel.
24:05Yeah. I don't, I think it's loose rattling around in there.
24:09Did he load six or seven in the barrel?
24:11What if you, I'm curious about this. If you've got one in the barrel and then you shoot one from the chamber.
24:19You don't want to do that. Is that a boom, boom?
24:22I don't want to do that. That's one of those cartoon guns where the, the, they peel back all four sides of the gun.
24:30I think it's like when they nod it. Yeah.
24:33Something bad is going to happen to your hand.
24:36Okay. Get it out of the barrel. But look, this is not good.
24:40Chargers, uh, Rashawn Slater's back at practice. I'll say that.
24:43Okay. That's good news. And then it did. This really stinks for the chargers.
24:48We also have news from the Panthers head coach, Dave Canales.
24:51He said, if Chuba is good to go, if Chuba is good to go, we'll be running back by committee in week one.
24:59I feel like Canales is hard to trust when it comes to how he talks about his running back.
25:05To me, this is, this is a step up from if Chuba is good to go, he's our guy.
25:11It's a step up from if Chuba is good to go, he's been our starter.
25:16He's been our tried and true guy. We're going to lean on him.
25:20I mean, it's also a step up one. It's not just a step up to saying, Hey, it's going to be a
25:2750 50, you know, they're going to share a committee.
25:31He's a sure committee, but also it's more if he's ready week one, like, yeah.
25:36Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fair point. This is, I mean, if he comes back, you're not going to have Chuba.
25:42Like I can't imagine if you draft Chuba right now, you can't start him week one.
25:48Right. There's no world where you can start. I have Chuba Hubbard.
25:51I'm trying to tell people, I think Chuba is just, you're taking one of your picks.
25:57You're just setting it on fire. I am very pro Jonathan Brooks.
26:01Jonathan Brooks. Big time. One quick reminder on the Travion news.
26:04If, if more like recovery news comes out, they are the first game of the season.
26:09That's the Wednesday, September 9th game. Oh boy. So we'll see if Ramondre or Travion are together or not.
26:16Oh boy. That's a lot of news. We got so much going on.
26:20Anything else? Anything else? Anybody else twist to something?
26:23How are the groins doing these days? Are we butterfly stretching?
26:26I think more butterfly stretching has been taking place.
26:29We're getting the word out. Yeah. We're trying our best.
26:32But yeah, fewer, the groins are- Can you patent like a move and no one else can use the move without paying you?
26:40Your stretch? Like a stretch? Hmm. I'm gonna look into that.
26:43Like you catch somebody doing it and you're like, that's five bucks.
26:47I would like to patent the butterfly stretch. Yeah.
26:50All right. Well, we'll take a break. We'll come back with Players We're Embarrassed to Love.
26:55Players We're Embarrassed to Love. I hear something embarrassing.
26:58I forgot that. Papa Josh says he can butterfly stretch the knees to the ground on both sides.
27:04Wow. That is embarrassing. That's too flexible for me.
27:07Yeah. Says an inflexible person. Inflexible. But can you do the splits?
27:11Get rekt! I can't recover after that. I'm sorry.
27:14Can you do the splits? That's one of those like really cool things that feels like a shameful thing.
27:20Like I'm embarrassed. This is the I'm embarrassed to love.
27:23Yeah. I would be embarrassed to be like, watch me do these splits.
27:28I'd feel that way too. I would be like Jean Claude out there.
27:32I'd be like, any excuse to do the splits.
27:35You need that light turned on? Let me ask you this way.
27:39Oh, I see your counters are close together. Splits!
27:42If we were walking out into the lobby for lunch.
27:45Yeah. And Matt Pingree, the Falcon, just drops into his dead splits.
27:49Just drops on the floor, splits. Well, that's embarrassing.
27:52Yeah. You have to have a fake reason to do it.
27:55Okay. All right. Because he wouldn't. He'd just drop.
27:58He'd just drop. Like maybe he dropped his wallet.
28:01What if he did it on purpose though? Whoops!
28:04Well, yeah, I would do that. Like I said, any excuse.
28:08All right. Players were embarrassed to love. We've each got a name or two.
28:12Uh, it's time to go public. All right. I mean, I feel like mine and Jason are, people already kind of know about it, but yours is.
28:21Yeah. I mean, I can, I can start. You could still, you could pivot.
28:25I already told you Ramond, right? But this, no, you can, you can change right now and no one will be none the wiser.
28:33No one would know. No, let me say this.
28:36We know, but this was the pivot. Wait, it was worse than this.
28:40This was the pivot. It was Watson. I knew it.
28:44No, no, it wasn't. I knew it. No, this was the pivot for Kyle Pitts.
28:48He was placed in a couple other spots more significant than being on the players.
28:53I'm embarrassed to love show. Okay. This was, he's not your MVP or my guy.
28:58My guy and an MVP candidate. Oh, and you guys said the same thing in the office.
29:04You don't have to do it. You don't have to do this.
29:08And so he found a home on this show and it's Kyle Pitts tied in for the Atlanta Falcons.
29:14You were loving that Michael Penix news. Gross. I am obviously embarrassed to say that I love Kyle Pitts this year, but I should, but I do.
29:23I do love Kyle Pitts this year. He will be on so many of my teams because of the draft cost, because
29:30he will be a seventh round, late sixth round pick.
29:33Last year, you know, the fantasy finish. What was he?
29:36Two tied into. I know we had the insane game, but look, the capacity to have a game like that signs the three year, $36 million guaranteed extension.
29:45The two left handed mediocre quarterbacks that he has, especially the one that's going to start the season is so inept.
29:52And what do you call it when you're like in the pocket gun shy, like just absolutely afraid of pressure and throws
29:59the ball short all over the place. I think Kyle Pitts, look, I have more confidence that he has a season worth
30:06being proud of than I do right now about like the Drake London having the Jefferson style year.
30:12He led the Falcons in routes targets, receptions, receiving yards last year.
30:16Only McBride did that in the NFL to his area of the field is low a dot.
30:22We know this 80 or sorry, 63% of his temps under 10 yards.
30:26The one preseason game we saw them together, it was like four out of five plays.
30:31Kyle Pitts caught a pass. I think the PPR value of Kyle Pitts is going to be through the roof.
30:38Kevin Stefanski is coming in as the head coach.
30:40This is the one that can. I mean, it does a sway me, but if anything was going to do it, it'd be this one.
30:49Kevin Stefanski, his target share for the tight end position.
30:52That's a routinely targeted position for Stefanski in 2025 last year, 32% of the targets, but it's like 20%.
30:5826% or higher for the last six years as a head coach.
31:02And so to me, this one is a, this is an easy button at tight end, which Pitts has never been.
31:09He has been drafted now in six consecutive years.
31:12This is the second lowest draft price that you've ever gotten on, on Kyle Pitts.
31:17And so basically here's what the fantasy community did.
31:19He was drafted in the 10th round last year, basically the 11th.
31:23He had a tight end two season. He won people fantasy playoff games.
31:28And then they're like, we'll move you to the mid seventh round.
31:31So nobody's bought into the degree they're burnt more than they're bought in.
31:36And so to me, this one is an obvious, look, I don't like it.
31:40I'm not proud of it, but I'm there. And Kyle Pitts will be on a ton of my teams.
31:46What are you guys with Kyle Pitts? He'll be on none of my teams, but that isn't because I'm anti Kyle Pitts.
31:54I think that where, I mean, I've talked about this a lot, whether you like Laporta for you guys, you love Kraft.
32:01Obviously, if his injury is totally gone, I get that.
32:04But all those middle round tight ends, you're sacrificing running backs and wide receivers that I think are more valuable shots to take.
32:11So I won't have him if he was in, you know, if he drops to the 10th round like he should, I would pull the trigger on him.
32:21I do think that there is enough talent there.
32:23They paid the man. There's enough opportunity there. They're really, I mean, let me let me bring up.
32:29Sorry, go ahead and finish. I was just saying, you know, we were talking up Zachariah Branch, a late round draft pick
32:36who weighs, you know, 100 pounds at wide receiver because someone else has to catch the ball there.
32:42A lot of people want to point to the three touchdown 166 yard game in week 15 as, you know, being the
32:49only reason that Kyle Pitts had a good fantasy season.
32:53It kind of, he turned it on from week 13 on.
32:56And I know Drake London, the injury, but you saw the ability 82 yards, 90 yards, 166, 57, 58 yards.
33:03It was a good end of the season. They paid him the money.
33:07He was going to have suitors. I'm in. Yeah.
33:10I'm trying to do the thing. We said wipe the slate clean and look at it objectively.
33:15And to me, like, let me give you an example.
33:19My, my league of record team is going to need a tight end.
33:23It, I mean, but that's it really. And it's a, it is the strongest roster in the, whatever the 20 years strongest roster going into season.
33:31That's a lot of pressure. Oh, I, it's, it's factual information.
33:35Yeah. Yeah. Did you want me to read it?
33:38Yeah, I will. Uh, Josh Allen, please. Jameer Gibbs.
33:41Okay. Kenneth Walker, Devon H and CD lamb on Ross St.
33:44Brown. Right. In a three keeper. Yeah. Three keepers.
33:47You have managed to take everyone's keepers. Yes. This is everyone asked me when I posted that this morning, they go, how
33:54do you have six keepers in a three keeper league?
33:58Mm-hmm. After our keeper deadline, you can trade picks for players.
34:01I had a lot of picks. I traded for some of the players.
34:05If you don't win. Oh, what an embarrassment. I know we're setting this season up this way.
34:11I want to get it out of the way.
34:14Um, terrifying. You've had a super team before. And it lost a lot of games.
34:19It started, uh, poorly. Jason, let me ask you a question.
34:22Poorly. Super teams don't win, man. Super team over here.
34:26Uh-huh. The superest of- It is the superest of super teams.
34:29It's the superest of super teams that the league of record has ever seen before.
34:34Yes. Week one. I would be going for a repeat.
34:37Mm-hmm. Which- Who am I rooting for? Yeah, which would you prefer to not happen?
34:42Oh, Andy. I want Andy to win a hundred times more.
34:46Okay. So you are on team, super team. Mike going- Just for the record.
34:50That is like the question of, is Deshaun Watson a better- You said- Sir, you're telling me two terrible options.
34:57Two terrible options. But you love the Dodgers, right?
35:00Is that what you're saying? Jason does love super teams.
35:03Like when Kevin Durant joined the Warriors, you were like, that's what I'm signed up for.
35:08I will say this. I want the Dodgers to break baseball so that they fix it.
35:13I want them to- This was a Kyle Pitts discussion.
35:17Not lose another game until you- All I'm saying is, is like, Kyle Pitts is one of the targets for me late
35:24in the draft, depending on where he dropped. I have a- What I was going to say- And if you want to
35:31take him from me, I dare you. Like I already have Kyle Pitts projected under market.
35:36So he's not a player that will be a target for me.
35:40Okay. Well, Jason- We'll move on to a player that I am embarrassed to love because it just seems like old busted
35:47for a young third year wide receiver. Old busted, Roma Dunze.
35:51Nobody likes him. It's Colson Loveland. It's Luther Burden.
35:54You look at the ADP right now, Luther Burden is, everyone is in love.
35:58You watch the film, I'm in love. But also, we're projecting him to have to usurp Roma Dunze in targets in a
36:05way that he didn't do last year. You know, you look at last year, Rome led the team in first-read targets, led
36:12the team in first-read target share when Caleb was pressured.
36:16Like that was the guy that he looked to.
36:19Now, maybe that whole thing flips. Fine. But what if it doesn't?
36:22Because one of these guys is sitting in the sixth round and Roma Dunze, here's the thing that the embarrassing thing for me to say.
36:31I think he's good. And I feel like that's- That's pretty embarrassing.
36:34Yeah. See, like Mike, you talk crap about Rome.
36:37You know, oh, I can't separate. You know, he's slow.
36:41Now you got the foot problem. I'm embarrassed, but- So you're embarrassed then.
36:45You must have Rome above Burden. Otherwise, it wouldn't be embarrassing.
36:48I have Rome and Burden basically back to back in my rankings.
36:52I have Rome in almost every draft. We just did a mock draft, you know, Friday, our last episode.
36:58I took Rome in that. You have consistently been on the Rome side.
37:03Yeah. And just as a reminder, I brought this up in the early off season, but to remind you or if you're
37:10back for the first time, Roma Dunze in year two, as a top 10 NFL draft pick in year two, broke out.
37:17He was awesome. The first month of the season, he was the wide receiver three in fantasy.
37:22He got injured leading into the week nine game.
37:25That's when he popped up on the injury report with the foot issue.
37:30So that's a big chunk of the first half of the season.
37:34He was a wide receiver one going into week nine.
37:37That seven game stretch. He was on pace for 136 targets, 75 receptions, 1150 yards and 12 touchdowns.
37:43He had 27 in zone targets in his first two years, seventh most among wide receivers.
37:48He's a good player. Then he got then he got his foot injured.
37:52Couldn't really play well the next few games. He was on pace that next stretch for 44 receptions, 639 yards like he was he was bad.
38:00So they shelved them and he had to deal with the foot injury.
38:05Now we're into the next season year three. It used to be the year two breakout for wide receivers.
38:11That was like for fantasy. You just always draft year two wide receivers.
38:15Then all of a sudden year one wide receivers were so good that year two that kind of took steps back like Lad McConkie and Brian Thomas Jr.
38:24The year three for some of these guys. JSN had that year three breakout.
38:29I love Roma Dunze and Marvin Harrison Jr. And I'm embarrassed to admit that because it's a little gross.
38:35They suck in there, but they're in the exact same situation.
38:38I want the Bears player with Caleb and Ben Johnson in that situation.
38:43But I look, I love Roma Dunze and drafts.
38:46And maybe it's maybe it's a mistake, but I will be the one making it.
38:50I think I think part of what people have trouble with is saying they love Roma Dunze means that they love him more than those other two guys.
39:00Yeah, the idea that Rome leads this team in targets, I think to most people is like that's not going to happen.
39:07And for me, I go. It is possible. That's that's it is possible.
39:11I have him. I basically have him and Loveland as almost near the same in targets, both equally leading this team.
39:18Well, speaking of the Chicago Bears, I'm right here with you.
39:21Wait, did you both pick Bears? Yeah. Yeah, mine.
39:24It makes sense about this all summer. I don't even know if you're embarrassed anymore.
39:29Did we pick this just because it's embarrassed? Oh, OK, Mike.
39:33Yeah. Oh, I didn't get my swish out. Dag gum it.
39:36I couldn't on me. I couldn't tell if I loved it or hate it.
39:41Is it embarrassing? If I had said so embarrassing to like bears.
39:45And no, but in the name. But this is just because this is a personal one for me.
39:51It's DeAndre Swift. If you have been a listener of the fantasy footballers podcast for any stretch of time.
39:57You have basically heard me say only negative things about DeAndre Swift.
40:01I have been part of your plot. I have relished every opportunity I could to dunk on DeAndre Swift.
40:07I don't know if he probably wasn't in embarrassed to love, but it's like last year coming into the season.
40:13I kind of liked a seventh round rookie running back in Kyle Monunga because I disliked DeAndre Swift so much.
40:20I'm like, give me anyone on this team who can play running back because Swift tremendous top tier athlete.
40:26His skills at the running back position, I think have been lackluster, but now at this point, it doesn't matter and why it's embarrassing.
40:34DeAndre Swift is going as a running back 24 of ADP over on sleeper in the fifth round.
40:40I have him as a fringe running back one.
40:43I am my chips are so in on DeAndre Swift.
40:46The situation is fantastic. Last year, he set career highs and rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, rush success rate yards from scrimmage because he is athletic.
40:54We saw, you know, we saw his success on the Eagles when he had a good offensive line.
41:00He's so fast. He can make things happen. The Chicago offensive line plus the Ben Johnson scheme.
41:05So last what the Bears were able to accomplish with Ben Johnson.
41:09They went from 21st to third in rush success rate.
41:12And this is a team that had Swift on 2024 yards before contact with from 26 to six their PFF run block rank from 14 to third.
41:21Like this is a strong offensive line. It's an offensive guru.
41:25And DeAndre Swift is the main guy. And now Kyle Mononga is dealing with his own.
41:30What's going on with him? He's dealing with an injury.
41:33It was like this weird, mysterious thing. He he he will be back.
41:37But the point is, you can get a hot start here from a player who's barely being drafted as a running back 24.
41:45They're favored in what five of their first six games, Carolina, Minnesota, Philly, the Jets.
41:50That's the first four matchups for DeAndre Swift. I don't think his ADP makes sense.
41:55It's disgusting. I'm having to swallow my pride on this one and just say that DeAndre Swift is.
42:00I think he's one of the best picks in the draft right now.
42:05Yeah, you've been pretty consistent with that. And then the Mononga injury news is just compounding it.
42:10It it almost feels like they became resigned to the reality that Swift works in this offense and they're going to use him.
42:18Yeah. The last I see about the Mononga news, he hyperextended his knee.
42:22It's going to miss multiple weeks. It is not known what his status will be for week one.
42:28We're making memes about DeAndre Swift over here. It's just happening.
42:31What are the other two? You guys have a couple.
42:35I mentioned Ramondre. Do you have a couple other names?
42:38I can give mine because it is disgusting. It's it's the three.
42:42Well, what happened was I did the three headed dragon and I put Roma Dunsay on there.
42:47And now the I know the producers are running away with it.
42:51He did the three headed dragon where it was Rome.
42:54Well, no, it was Loveland and Burton are the serious ones.
42:58And then there's Dunice on the edge and it's Roma Dunsay.
43:02I'll throw out the name because this one is it's wild, but it is.
43:06I'm throwing it out. Marshawn Lloyd. You love him.
43:09I am just I'm fading Josh Jacobs for better or for worse for this season.
43:14Like all that. There are reasons why Josh Jacobs makes complete sense as a fantasy pick and everything should just be full status quo.
43:22He was an absolute touchdown machine. You know, they just dealt with the the efficiency he had last year.
43:28They just dealt with it. I mean, partly because Marshawn Lloyd can't stay on the field, but I'm just I'm at the
43:35point now where I I'm not drafting Josh Jacobs and it's the well, let's take let's take some shots at this Green Bay.
43:42I like Green Bay's offense and maybe Marshawn Lloyd will end up being the player that they drafted in the third round a couple years ago.
43:51So so I'm just I'm it's kind of like that hedge.
43:54If you're going to fade one player, take a shot on the other one who's Marshawn Lloyd is completely free in drafts
44:02and maybe he gets more work than you are anticipating right now.
44:05Yeah, maybe a maybe a late last second suspension for Jacobs doesn't seem like it's going to happen.
44:11But if you draft Lloyd and then all of a sudden there's suspension and then there's just like I said, his the efficiency great on the goal line.
44:20But in between, I will say in support of yours, there has been more very similar to my argument for Mason.
44:27There's been more wide zone runs, which definitely does not fit Jay Jacobs and does fit Marshawn Lloyd.
44:33I am not fading Jacobs. I think he's going to be fantastic this year because great offense.
44:39Like you said, you want a good piece of that.
44:42I think Jacob plays the season and is great and scores, you know, 12 plus touchdowns.
44:47But if you're fading him, that's a good pick.
44:50I'll throw one name out there. I'm embarrassed to love Dalton Kincaid because I've been in and gotten burned on him before.
44:57You know, it's like his sophomore year. I was very bullish.
45:01I thought he was going to break out. He has hurt his knee from that point forward and never been healthy.
45:07But this camp people have talked about. He's more involved in every facet.
45:12He's been at every single practice. His knee is healthy for the first time in years.
45:17And if you look at like targets per route run, yards per route run, those types, he's 2.73 yards per route run.
45:24Best of all tight ends in the league. He's just playing 30% of snaps.
45:29If he plays 70% of snaps for the bills, if these trends continue, I mean, I will have 2000 yards.
45:35Yeah. So I'm just saying if he gets more opportunities for a great quarterback that could use him, it'd be good for a late round tight end.
45:44I'll throw another name out there since I spoiled Ramondre earlier.
45:47I'll just say Malik Willis has been in that camp for me all hours.
45:52Oh, I'm with it. So I think Malik Willis, I think the Dolphins in general, like I made a trade for A-chan
45:59and I gave up Hampton and I gave up more to get.
46:03Well, you got Josh Allen back too. No, I know.
46:06But I mean, just on paper, I gave up.
46:09But the bet is on A-chan. Yeah. I mean, even when I was negotiating with the A-chan manager, they wanted a lot more than Hampton.
46:17And it's like, I'm still willing to do it because my belief in A-chan is that.
46:23And this is Devon A-chan. Not the junior. Yeah.
46:25Just because you were talking about trying to trade for the other.
46:29Yeah. With you. Second A-chan. Anybody named A-chan, I'm kind of into that.
46:34Trevor's still out there. But yeah, I think Malik Willis and the Dolphins could be a little bit interesting in general.
46:40So let's go ahead and take a break and do some mailbag.
46:44Oh man, I almost hit the embarrassed to love drop again.
46:48I would have been embarrassed. That brought me good.
46:51Mailbag. Mailbag. Woo! All right. Okay, here we go.
46:54Evan in North Carolina. By the way, if you have a question for the show, we are here to help you win your league.
47:01Go to the website, thefantasyfootballers.com, click that submit a question button, or Jason, they can dial the voicemail hotline.
47:08Just don't mess up. 302-464-TFFB. Or please mess up.
47:11If you mess up, we will hear it. Brooks will, and then he'll laugh.
47:15Evan in North Carolina. Have you ever taken a first round keeper?
47:19I'm trying to decide between CMC as a late first or Kyle Pitts in the 10th.
47:24That's an easy CMC. How would you CMC? And that's coming from the guy that is embarrassed to love Kyle Pitts.
47:31What you've got to do is ask yourself at the end of the draft, which player you want to see on your team.
47:38Yeah, taking a first round pick on a keeper is normal if it is a high end guy or you don't have any better options.
47:47Jonathan in Los Angeles, sup ballers, knowing that the substation requires NFL human sacrifices and Christian McCaffrey seems to be quietly in danger.
47:54Who do you like for the 49ers backup job?
47:57Kalen Black? Jordan James? Who is hurt, but I think we're turned to practice.
48:02Yeah, it's been Kalen Black by default. I came into this offseason definitely on the Jordan James side.
48:07And it seemed like Jordan James was the correct backup, but then he's been injured the whole camp.
48:13So to be honest right now, I'm not really in on either of them.
48:18Like in the draft, drafting insurance backs is fine if you have complete, like, you know, Blake Corum will be that guy
48:25who gets the role should the starter be injured.
48:28You don't know here. So this is more of a situation I'll pick up off of the waiver wire.
48:34And I will say the substation human sacrifice portion of this, I think I'm starting to realize that's why they brought Mike Evans in.
48:42They brought him in because he can keep getting injured over and over and over.
48:47They are one. Whoa! That one got me in.
48:50Yeah, me too, man. That went straight to the spine.
48:53That's what that's like. That was pretty scary. I liked it when there was no sound.
48:58Yeah, the pieces of Mike Evans' body are slowly being disassembled to sacrifice for Christian McCaffrey is what it seems like.
49:05Which is such a shame. I wanted Mike Evans.
49:08He's such a perfect fit. If he's healthy, he's going to be great any week that he's out there, which will be at least three.
49:16On the other hand, though, he's the worst fit to go to San Francisco ever.
49:21Yes. A team that just deals with injury. I mean, I'll tell you this right now.
49:26I've got some stats for you on their injury history coming up on the live show.
49:31It's going to blow your mind. Andre in Rhode Island.
49:34Jason keeps mentioning his Felix model. What exactly is the Felix model?
49:38The Felix model is kind of a machine learning.
49:41I have tens of thousands of different data pieces that from college production, physical traits, attributes, all of that.
49:47Draft capital. Yeah, draft capital once that's once that's figured out.
49:51And then it's a specific position by position scoring that models based on what has happened in the past to try to find successful predictive analytics.
49:59And so essentially it puts players in a percentile score within their position of hopeful future success.
50:05And so this is the first year I've had it, but we back test the data and it looks great going backwards.
50:12So I'm excited to see how it goes for this year's prospects.
50:16This is mostly dynasty stuff. Yeah, it's definitely a score to project incoming players who have not played a snap in the
50:23NFL and what their likelihood of success is based on all the analytics.
50:27And you can, my Felix model is in the UDK.
50:31So if you've got the ultimate draft kit, which you should get.
50:34It's in the dynasty pass. Yeah. So take a look there.
50:38YouTube question from before. Where can you find fun competitive leagues to play in?
50:43You mentioned a platform once. I cannot remember it.
50:46Thank you. Our suggestion would be footclanleagues.com, which really just puts you into our discord.
50:50Yeah. And that will connect you with all sorts of great people that you can find leagues with.
50:56However, right now, if you're looking for a great league, I don't know, man, maybe, maybe get to the Megalowl, Megalowl.com that
51:03we're all playing in it and you get a chance to win a listener league spot next year.
51:09If you win. And an ultimate footclanet membership for life.
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51:40And, and that's all just whatever the Raiders guys, that prayer.
51:44Let's just harness it for all of the other training camp injuries for this week.
51:49I really don't want to talk about more injured players.
51:52I don't at all. So knees to the ground.
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