0:00Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.
0:05Welcome in! Friday, August 14th, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and the Bear, back again.
0:11We have to assume that Mike has the lettuce diarrhea thing.
0:15Hope, hope is the... I'm sorry, I said assume.
0:17Hope, right? That's the word we're looking for here.
0:20We have to hope. Thank you, Al, I think.
0:23He was close. He was close to coming back.
0:26He'll be here Monday for sure. Yeah, he's in preseason form.
0:30You know what I mean? And he's a man of few words.
0:34He hasn't really even given us details about what he's...
0:37No idea. The only thing he said is he's like, whatever he's got, it hit him like a ton of bricks, and
0:44he's down for the count, and we choose to believe he has the lettuce diarrhea thing.
0:49Hope, Andy. We hope he's got... We hope he has the lettuce diarrhea.
0:53The funny thing is, is the difference between him being infected and normal...
0:58He wouldn't know. He wouldn't know. He has no idea.
1:01He's had the lettuce diarrhea thing for... 15 years.
1:0420 years. It's been a long time. Oh, man.
1:07That's how he keeps in shape. I think one of the ways they treat that is the hot salsa at Chipotle.
1:14Yeah. I think that's one of the treatments. That's definitely going to help.
1:18Something like that. We have plenty to talk about though, Jason.
1:21Yeah. Preseason games going on. I mean, maybe LaFleur is a good coach.
1:26I don't know. The Cardinals quarterbacks are like 49 for 55 in the preseason.
1:30Maybe. Maybe. Maybe it was preseason defenses. We will...
1:33Time will tell. We will talk through what we saw last night.
1:37That'll be a big part of the show. We will get into some mailbag questions.
1:42And right here, right now, Jay, just start using that brain of yours to decide which of our ducers will do the mailbag drop and why.
1:50So just think about that. We got a while before that.
1:54We have a little bit of time. I will...
1:57I will work on it. I'm going to workshop that.
2:00Keep them all guessing. Yeah. But I want... I've got good reasons for all three.
2:05Right. I want you to pick... This is fantastic.
2:08I want you to pick one and then give us the reason when we get to the mailbag.
2:13Yeah. And then we'll find out together. Yeah. It's really good.
2:17That's a great idea. Let me see. I'm looking at the faces.
2:21I want to see who's sweating the most. Happy, happy.
2:24Three happy people. Okay. Oh, see he's... Oh, Josh giving the thumbs up.
2:28Josh is playing the reverse psychology game. Yeah. Yeah.
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2:56You'll get to do the mail back. Like right now, it's an honor.
3:00So whoever, whichever deucer I make do the mail back today, I'm honoring them.
3:04Yes. Yeah, you are. And we want to honor everyone of the foot clan that will be at that live show, ballerslive.com.
3:11Might not be honoring the ears of the listeners, but the people doing it, it's an honor.
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3:43Our quick question of the day today, Jason, you ready for this?
3:47I am ready. Who is someone that's going to be annoyingly relevant in fantasy this year?
3:52So you might give this type of player a nickname like a snap goblin.
3:56Somebody that is just out there either stealing snaps from somebody else or stealing production from somebody else.
4:02The Tyler Algier of the past and possibly the Tyler Algier of the present as well.
4:07My answer for this is there's two things that have to come together to make us really angry.
4:13One is you take a talented player and you put them on the bench in certain situations.
4:19And two is the coach that is required to do such things.
4:23So to me, it's Tyrone Tracy. Oh, this is a Matt Nagy attack?
4:27This is a Matt Nagy. I mean, I do think by the end of the season, Scadaboo will have established it.
4:34But to start the season, like I love Cam Scadaboo, loved his tape coming out.
4:39I mean, we've talked about that for a year and a half.
4:42And then he proved he was the dude that he was in college on the NFL field.
4:48He could continue to run people over and then unfortunate injury.
4:52And it looks like he should be the centerpiece of this office.
4:55Him and neighbors should really be the engine that makes it work.
4:59But I just don't trust Matt Nagy. I think that Tyrone Tracy is an above average back.
5:05I mean, it does take a back behind the starter who is capable.
5:09They're not going to throw in, you know, a Zemir White and be like, go, you know, take over.
5:15But Algier's good. Blake Corum's good. Tyrone Tracy's a good player.
5:19He's not a bad player. It would be annoying if two-minute drills were Tyrone Tracy.
5:24Yeah, if he gets involved in the passing game and all of a sudden you're sitting there with 14 opportunities a game for Scadaboo, you'll be really upset.
5:33I have two names. One is Dontavian Wicks of the Eagles.
5:36I think that will be an annoyingly relevant player because he will stand in the way of what fantasy players want to see the most.
5:44You're saying Mekhi Lemon. Mekhi Lemon, like a rookie wide receiver having success.
5:49That's fun. I mean, you know, a kind of journeyman, rarely relevant player that switches teams.
5:54Let me push back on that. What if Wicks becomes a very relevant wide receiver flex play on a weekly basis?
6:01Would that, like, I don't see Tyrone Tracy doing enough where you could start it, but what if Wicks is startable?
6:07Because I think that's in the range of outcomes here.
6:11It's in the range of outcomes, but it'll still be annoying because the process of a wide receiver two or maybe the
6:18third or fourth target on this team, when you consider Goddard and Saquon, that player's probably not getting stronger over the back
6:25half as Mekhi Lemon gets healthier and more involved.
6:28So that's where I think it might be annoying because I don't know if you can ever count on him, but he
6:35will stand in the way of somebody. I also just want to mention this.
6:39This is more annoying, I think, just like you guys or other people that don't want him to have any success for some reason.
6:47I think Jalen Naylor is going to be annoyingly relevant for the Raiders.
6:51So this is like, you think he's good? I think he's better.
6:55And that will annoy me. It would very much annoy me.
6:59To put it in the most plain, stupid language possible, every offense plays four quarters, and they have to have somebody go
7:06run routes on the outside and receive targets. And this team has got very few names that aren't Brock Bowers, but they're going to get the ball.
7:15And I think Jalen Naylor will be an annoyingly relevant acquisition that I think will be, I think it's more likely that
7:22Jalen Naylor is that flex guy that you can start than it is Dontavionowicz.
7:26And that would be the annoying part of it.
7:29I don't think so. I think Brock Bowers takes over, but that is to your point.
7:34That would be annoying, wouldn't it? That would be super annoying.
7:38Other shout-out names, I think if LaQuint Allen is involved for the Jacksonville Jaguars, oh man, everyone will be upset.
7:45Because it's like, if it's not tootin', let it be crawd.
7:48And if LaQuint Allen comes in for passing work, it's just going to be nobody.
7:53Kenny Gainwell, obviously. He was a thorn in the side for the Steelers' backfield last year, leading the team in receiving.
8:00Bucky managers will be not happy there. And then we saw it in preseason.
8:04Charlie Kolar, he could end up being very, very, very annoying.
8:08Why can't you say Kolar? Well, now I'm going to go further.
8:12It's not, you don't like. It's Kolar. It's not Kolar.
8:15No, it's Kolar. Like Kolarny sauce? Yeah, that's right.
8:18Like a molar? Like you pull your molars? Yes, exactly.
8:21Dummy. All right, news time. News and notes from around the league.
8:25Hey, I've never heard that in my life until you said it yesterday.
8:29Yeah. I mean, every time I've ever heard Charlie Kolar's name.
8:33Kolar. Oh, gosh. Yeah. No, I just want. And then yesterday you just invented.
8:37I mean, maybe. I'm going to leave the door open that I've said it wrong my whole life.
8:43No, no, no, no, no, no. That everybody else has said it wrong their whole life.
8:48But. That. You don't need to leave that door open.
8:52Okay. All right. This is not inside information where I'm trying to correct you.
8:56Okay. You don't have a video of like his mom when he was three years old referring to him with his last name.
9:04No, this is. We had a preseason night. Yeah.
9:06Lots of news. I want to kind of go through a ton of names and talk about some things that I saw.
9:14Talk about what I loved. Talk about some things I hated.
9:17I will start with what I kind of said at the top.
9:21It is kind of a weird thing to say because the Cardinals have the lowest projected win total.
9:27Like we've ever seen. It's four and a half wins.
9:30Three and a half. Three and a half. Yeah.
9:33It moved down. It opened at four and a half.
9:36Yeah. So three and a half is like, and this is 17 game season.
9:41We have not seen that in decades. So to say all that through two weeks, their quarterback play, their offensive play calling,
9:48all of that stuff, even if the vanilla against bad defenses.
9:51It's hard to ask for much more than what you've seen.
9:55Jacoby Brissett was perfect yesterday. Great touchdown pass to Marvin Harrison.
9:59You saw the week before how good Carson Beck was.
10:02Gardner Minshew was 12 of 14. The Cardinals are 49 of 55 or something like that at the quarterback position.
10:08So I'm just saying like, and then what else you saw from Arizona last night was Jeremiah Love's debut.
10:14Electric. Yeah. It is like the minimum possible descriptor.
10:1711 for 58, three for 14 comparisons to Adrian Peterson on the cuts.
10:22Amazing work in the receiving game. And, and to me, it's a headline move to have so much work given to Jeremiah
10:29Love and not like just be splitting it with Tyler Algier the whole time who did get work.
10:35But like, I don't know. It gave me more confidence that this is just something that's going to be obvious and in place.
10:42Cardinals are going to be trailing in a million games.
10:45Jeremiah Love is going to be the pass catcher in all those situations.
10:49What I saw last night was, was a top back in the NFL and whether the opportunities are there or not.
10:56But I'm just saying, crack the door open that the Cardinals offense, even if their team sucks, their offense might be a lot better than people expect.
11:05Therefore, Jeremiah Love could be better than people expect.
11:08Yeah. You, you, you can never shut the door on someone that talented.
11:12Every time he touches the ball, he will gain extra yards above expectation.
11:16There's just, he is, I mean, he's truly a sensational elite level.
11:20You're talking about the, the Bijon, the Gibbs, uh, you know, the Gentie, those guys that are drafted there, you know, going
11:27all the way back, Zeke and those types where it's like, yeah, this is a, a difference maker that other guys can't replicate it.
11:35So it's just a matter of how many times does he touch the ball and is he catching the ball or getting carries more?
11:43And then how, how many opportunities around the goal line?
11:46That is the whole argument against, uh, Jeremiah Love.
11:49No, nobody out there is saying he's not, he's overrated.
11:52He's not, he's unbelievably good. We broke down everything that it takes to be a running back one in fantasy two shows ago.
12:00You average 10 touchdowns. You get probably not going to happen.
12:03Well, I think you could easily get 10 combined touchdowns.
12:07Right. It's combined touchdowns. Yeah. So, I mean, I think that's an easy, I mean, if, if Gentie can do it last
12:14year, this is, Jeremiah Love's a better player as a runner and a passer than Gentie.
12:19He is. In my opinion, I, they're not very close to me in terms of where, um, well, I mean, they might
12:26be close, but I think Jeremiah Love's a better player.
12:29He, Mike talked about, he scouted him better than Bijan.
12:32He scouted him better than, um, than Gentie. I just think that 10 is 10 is not out of the realm of possibility at all.
12:41We we've had years and years of bad offense in Arizona where James Connor was a, a double digit touchdown threat.
12:47But so I, all I'm saying is like, what is the ceiling for Jeremiah Love?
12:52This is not the promise. This is the ceiling.
12:55What do you think the ceiling is this year?
12:58Honestly? I mean, I have, you, you said you didn't trust Matt Nagy in New York, right?
13:04What I saw last night was very encouraging to me.
13:07Not just the play by Jeremiah Love, the snaps with the starters.
13:11Right. Why did you not see if they were going to do the real stupid coaching mechanism?
13:16Why did not, why didn't you see 50, 50 snaps with Tyler Algier, the off season acquisition?
13:22Well, they, they did the first quarter. They split carries the first quarter.
13:26Algier saw three carries on the first drive. So they, and then, and so, you know, it's, it's, uh, as the game
13:33went on, Love got much more work and is obviously the more explosive.
13:37Yeah, I think the ceiling for him is like running back five.
13:41Yeah, it's, it's around there. I mean, I, I feel like I put it closer to 10.
13:47The floor is much lower than the guys being drafted in that range.
13:51But I don't, I don't, I don't mind taking the shot on someone who is as talented as Jeremiah Love.
13:57It was nice to see him on the field.
14:00And LaFleur, this is the thing. Like Nagy, Nagy gives me no confidence.
14:04LaFleur gives me confidence that, hey, he's just going to try to score the most points he can with a bad team.
14:12De'Juan Stribling was awesome. I mean, he's seven for 63 with the starters pulled with, I think, seven minutes left in the first half on eight targets.
14:20This is an offense where this is what you wanted to see.
14:24This is the, this is why the ADP is going to rise.
14:28You have Mike Evans, who is an injury prone, older receiver who has never been a high volume receiver in, in his career ever.
14:36He's, he's a 70 to 80 catch guy. Ricky Pearsall is out for the season.
14:41Juwan Jennings is no longer a member of this team.
14:44No. So this is what you wanted to see was like, take advantage of your opportunity to start.
14:50What is so exciting about this. So the draft pick was mocked and the history of the 49ers reaching on guys who
14:57are not good enough for where they're drafting, especially in those like, you know, second, third round is there's, there's a laundry list.
15:04In fact, it seems like they did it already again.
15:08This draft with Kalen black. However, that doesn't mean that they get everything wrong.
15:12The camp reports on stripling have been outstanding. They've been saying he's the best wide receiver in camp.
15:18So to see that happen in the first preseason game, you go, okay.
15:22I mean, this guy was taken like, like 33rd or 33rd.
15:26Yeah. I mean, overall in the draft. So the capital is there.
15:30The opportunity is there. The question is, is the talent there?
15:33And the reports have been that it's been there.
15:36And then he shows up in the first game.
15:39Super impressive. He has the speed. He has the size.
15:42He has the hands. And I don't know that his ADP can go too high.
15:47Like it will rise. But he's so low in ADP that your average leagues probably won't draft him.
15:53Which will keep his ADP just buried. I'm going to the strip club.
15:57Oh, man. I'm going to the strip club. You naughty boy.
16:01You naughty boy. So I was excited. Let me go to a bad, something bad I saw yesterday.
16:07Okay. That was the last possible thing I wanted to see from Cam Ward is what I saw yesterday.
16:13The Cam Ward, the Cam Ward, you're like, oh, it's a preseason game.
16:17That matters to me because we had a, we had a freshman year where there was decision-making challenges.
16:23And what I saw yesterday, I believe he was five for 12 passing Jason.
16:27And he wouldn't take easy throws. Instead, he, he kept the, the, the backpedal game of, of getting the pass rush and,
16:34oh, I can backpedal out of this. Like Kyler does sometimes.
16:38I was disappointed and it really concerned me. It's one week.
16:42Maybe he comes out and he's better next week, but I didn't like what I saw from Cam Ward.
16:48It concerned me about the Carnell Tate, uh, about that offense.
16:51And I, I've been optimistic about them, but it's all dependent.
16:55And we've said this a million times. It's all dependent on Cam Ward taking a step forward, not backwards or neutral.
17:02Yeah. Neutral is not good enough. No, he has, he has to take some step forward.
17:07But I, I do think that, um, one preseason game is not enough to move me off of my belief in Carnell Tate.
17:14Fernando Mendoza was 10 for 16, 97 yards and a touchdown to Jack Bash.
17:19Poor Mike, not here to celebrate it. But, uh, there you go.
17:23It was nice to see. Yeah. Behind the scenes.
17:26I don't know if the foot clan is as aware.
17:29I know he loved Bash. Um, especially if you listen to the dynasty show, Bash was one of the guys that Mike was really excited pre-draft.
17:37And then surprisingly he got good draft capital and was like, okay, they saw what I see.
17:43And then he did nothing. In our Slack, any whisper of Jack Bash is like, we're back, baby.
17:49Yeah, we're not. No. We're not. Naylor, Tucker. I think Benson's better than Bash.
17:53Mendoza looked good though. Well, and people need to realize if Mendoza is what he's supposed to be, Brock Bowers will have stability for a decade.
18:02So that's an exciting proposition for him. Like the Cardinals with Trey McBride, we don't have that answer long-term.
18:08So when you look at a dynasty league, if you weren't already on the Bowers over McBride's side, just keep that in mind.
18:15You will have stability if Mendoza works out at the quarterback position with a play caller and head coach that you trust in Clint Kubiak.
18:23All right. You want another, where do you want to go?
18:27Negative? I got a real negative for you. Okay.
18:30You can probably close the door on Aranda Gadsden being a thing.
18:34Oh, that's a big one. I mean, he played 27 snaps and they sat their starters.
18:39So Charlie Kohler, David Njoku rested with all the starters and here was Gadsden playing 27 snaps.
18:44Yeah. All the reports. This is so we talk about this time of year, don't overreact preseason, which I would, I would urge you on the Cardinals front.
18:53Like that seems like the classic look how good this team is.
18:57Do you remember when the Steelers were just unbelievable?
19:00They didn't have a drive that didn't end in a touchdown for the entire preseason with Kenny Pickett.
19:06They were so good and it was, and, and we kind of bought in and it was like, oh, it was preseason.
19:13However, the things that we say pay attention to are things that continue from drum beats and camp like stripling and also
19:20snap orders and like who is out, who's rested with starters.
19:24The camp reports on Gadsden is that he has not been playing with the starters at all.
19:29And then the Chargers come out and they rest their starters and Gadsden plays.
19:34So that is really bad news. Yeah, it's not great.
19:37Not that he was high on our boards anymore, but it was kind of confirmation of what we expect to see.
19:44Honestly, Charlie Kohler is like entering the deep sleeper category because you think he could be out there all the time.
19:51And you talked about yesterday, he had collegiate production.
19:54He got paid a bunch of money. Najoku is not in his prime.
19:58Like you could get it. Like Will Disley had relevance with Herbert.
20:02Yeah. For like a lot of games. Well, and so did Gadsden.
20:06Herbert's good at throwing to the tight end. And so this is an offense I think you want pieces of.
20:12It just doesn't seem it's going to be Gadsden.
20:15It could be Najoku. It could be Kolar. Oh, gosh, don't do this.
20:19I'm going to do it. Isaac Teslop played. All the starters for Detroit rested.
20:24Teslop. You know what I'm saying? You're in real special form.
20:27Yeah. I love that. So we just got for those listening, we just got what looks like all of our monitors broke
20:34because that was the Teslop drop minus the sound.
20:37Yeah. So for the audio listening audience, you're like, what?
20:41Yeah. No, there was just like is like our monitors broke.
20:44Interesting. Supposed to be an electrical effect. Man. Does he want another chance at this?
20:49I'm just wondering as I'm deciding who does the mock, you know, the mailbag drop here.
20:54Oh, maybe I should penalize Jeremy on that one.
20:57Hmm. Jeremy's trying to say Dropbox broke it. I don't know about that.
21:01Okay. Minus one to Jeremy. It's Kohler, Jason. It's Kohler.
21:05I know. I know it's Charlie Kolar, but I'm just saying it.
21:09Just confirmed it. All right. Anything else from the headlines?
21:12I mean, we had. I would say a couple things.
21:15Hampton and Keaton Mitchell sat as well with the starters.
21:18Kamani Vidal played. He's definitely a depth piece. There's good news, bad news with the Packers and Jaden Reed specifically.
21:25The good news is they played a ton of 11 personnel, which that's when Jaden Reed's on the field.
21:31The bad news is when they went down to two wide receivers, he wasn't there.
21:36It was Golden. Matthew Golden is in two wide receiver.
21:39And I will say this right now. They don't have Tucker Kraft.
21:43When Tucker Kraft comes back, that is more likely to have two wide receivers on the field.
21:4812 personnel. And by the way, Kraft will be there week one.
21:52Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying right this second, the reason they were playing so much 11 personnel, I wouldn't look into
21:59that like, oh, they're going to be all 11 personnel anymore.
22:03They didn't have Kraft yet. And this one's really stupid.
22:06I mean, this is an irrelevant one, but I just, for some reason, it, it, it.
22:11One of the things I was watching for, but like the first play, you know, the honorary, who gets the honorary first
22:18snap, Jalen Warren got it over Rico Dowdle. So I don't know.
22:22That's, I feel like that backfield has the potential to have real fantasy relevance for where those guys are drafted.
22:29But I just don't know which way to go.
22:32Like I'm like coin flip right now. So I was paying attention and I saw Jalen Warren out.
22:38I was like, okay, maybe. Is that how you have him?
22:41Statted Warren ahead. I do have Warren ahead right now.
22:44More pass catching. You know, Mike and I are both Rico.
22:48Yeah. And I don't blame you. I don't, I don't blame you at all.
22:52I, my, my argument has always been that I think that when push comes to shove, Aaron Rogers is going to want
23:00the, um, the not, not even the better pass catcher where they can both catch the ball, but Jalen Warren's such like a veteran.
23:07He's going to be in the right place, the right time, the right pass protection.
23:12He's just, Jalen Warren does everything right. Rico plays well and then somehow gets benched.
23:17So I assume maybe he doesn't. So that's where I think I'm on the Warren side.
23:22But yeah. Yeah. We, uh, we got to draw the line there.
23:26We are going to take a quick break and then come back, uh, and get Jason's analysis of who's doing the mailbag.
23:33Important. Can I, can I like just contribute a few thoughts to your process?
23:38I've got a, I've got a, I've got a, uh, cause Mike's not here.
23:42Chart here. Mike's not here. Jay Grizz. Oh, he said he's not going to do it.
23:48Okay. The mailbag drop. That's fair. So we've got, uh, the three ducers.
23:52We've got Al who obviously had that huge snafu a moment ago.
23:56Yeah. That was a minus. Actually minus two. Cause he's tried to skirt it with Dropbox.
24:01Um, yeah. Blame something else. Uh, and then, then you got Josh and look, he's always deserving.
24:06Always. He's as he's minus two for age and baldness, age and baldness.
24:11And honestly, I'm giving him another minus one for that thumbs up.
24:14He gave a thumbs up earlier. Like you could call on me.
24:18Right. Give me a break. Yeah. That was annoying.
24:21Um, he's annoyingly relevant. He's the annoyingly relevant ducer too.
24:24Yeah. Yeah. And then we have, uh, the Falcon who, I mean, it goes without saying what happened at the end of last yesterday's show.
24:33Excuse making. I don't even. Oh yeah. About the, about your video and like, oh, I'm going to take like three days to figure the traces out.
24:41He did. I should finally get it out. Yeah.
24:44You don't know why? Cause I called him out on the show.
24:48Yeah. Exactly. And I went, good work. Good work.
24:51Um, yeah, the video's out. If you want to see me golf poorly and give a few, uh, stat nuggets.
24:58Um, actually the video I think is, is, is doing well.
25:01I'm not too ashamed of it, which is so shameful.
25:04Right. You should be ashamed of not being ashamed.
25:07Yeah. But I, I actually am not ashamed. I think it was a good video as well produced.
25:13And so for the honor of how good that was, it's definitely the Falcon.
25:18I mean, what an honor I'm giving you. Mailbag.
25:21Oh, we're about to have someone fired on live.
25:23Oh my gosh. We are about, can I explain?
25:26Did you not understand that the Falcon was supposed to do that?
25:30Okay. So Matt, Jeremy suggested that all of us do the mailbag together, which we were fine with.
25:36And then Matt DMs me. Oh, do you guys own the company?
25:40Matt DMs me and says, let's not jump in with Jeremy so that Jeremy winds up doing it all by himself.
25:47Matt. Oh, that's. So I picked the right guy.
25:50Jeremy and I were talking saying, hey, we're not going to screw each other on.
25:55And then Matt didn't do it because he thought we were all going to do it together.
26:00I've got a fix for that. And it would be, it would be, it would be kind of.
26:06Is it change of employment? No, no, no. Change of employment is part of it.
26:11I got a fix for it. I'm not hitting that drop again, but you're going to be doing it.
26:17Yes. You're going to do the music. You're going to do the music and the mailbag.
26:22Get the camera over there. All right. So we're going to go.
26:26You're doing the whole thing. You're going to be the guitar.
26:30You know how the drop sounds. Yes. And this, keep in mind, and I, your job might depend on it.
26:36So let's go. Let's get into the mailbag. All right.
26:39Da-da-da-da. Da-da-da-da. Mailbag. Yes. Oh, man. Oh, you know it's good when you can hear Al Borland probably on our microphones.
26:46I promise you are responsible for more than two car accidents right now.
26:50All right. We're in the mailbag. We're in the mailbag.
26:53We're going to get it started. Lots of questions.
26:56Lots of things to talk about. Also, I will say that was terrible.
27:01I mean, like you didn't hit any of the beats.
27:04You're in here for every show. He's heard it before.
27:07He's heard it before. He heard it right before.
27:10Da-da-da-da. And he went, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Real Kolar situation. All right.
27:13Kolar. Matthew writing in, the Madden curse has given many reasons for us to believe it is somewhat true.
27:19Can we really be high on Caleb Williams? And then I've got the chart here of the Madden.
27:25There's a lot of curses. Well, listen. Here's what the Madden curse really is.
27:30And I don't know if we just want the joke answer.
27:33Here's what the Madden curse is. It's called, you can't be the best at the game two years in a row.
27:40That's Madden curse. So was Saquon Barkley curse last year?
27:43Because Saquon Barkley wasn't, he didn't do his, he didn't win the Super Bowl and finish number one at the position.
27:50He was okay. Wasn't good. Was he okay? I mean, I would say he's a medium level of curse.
27:56But I'm just saying, Saquon Barkley last year. Let's say we didn't expect him to be, I mean, he was being drafted
28:03maybe to be the running back one again. But he wasn't even a running back one.
28:09If you want to say he's cursed, that's fine.
28:12The year before, McCaffrey cursed. But before that, we had a run of four straight guys.
28:17Mahomes. Josh Allen. Lamar. Mahomes twice. With Brady. To me, it is, you reward the guys that played the best by putting them on the cover.
28:25Then why did they reward Caleb Williams? That's the real question.
28:29Because he didn't play the best. Because he had one play that was worth putting him on a cover for.
28:35The fourth down conversion. I'm high on Caleb Williams.
28:38I'm high on the offense. I like that he lost some weight.
28:42I'm high on Caleb. I don't think he's cursed.
28:45The accuracy. I think you were already cursed as a bear.
28:48Yeah. So this is the uncurse. It's the uncurse.
28:51It's the reverse, the curse. Yeah. Put him on the cover.
28:55I agree. I'm in on Caleb. Can't triple stamp a double stamp?
28:59You can't triple stamp a double stamp. You just can't do it.
29:03No. Caleb Williams should be very good this year.
29:06The fact that he changed his diet, lost the weight, but then the accuracy reports are very good.
29:11Everything that I've been watching, like camp videos, not the ones that are like the team puts out the one highlight.
29:18But like when I'm watching pass after pass after pass, there's no, it's just, it's been very accurate.
29:24And that's if Caleb Williams could be accurate. In fact, here's a stat that I shared in the golf video is the
29:31fact that Caleb Williams, the only two players that were worse in accuracy last year for Caleb Williams was Matt Falcon.
29:38Who was, who were the two? JJ McCarthy and Shadur.
29:41Yeah. JJ McCarthy and Shadur Sanders were the only guys worse.
29:45Now you could say, well, that's really bad for Caleb, but that's also like, what if he's average?
29:51What a, what a step up for this offense.
29:54If he's not throwing, you know, 58% of his passes for completions.
29:57It's a huge growth opportunity for a guy who wasn't bad last year, but still it's like he doesn't need to go from 27 passing touchdowns to 42.
30:07No, no. And I think he's going to run a ton.
30:10I think the upside of these, you know, a full season of Loveland burden, a duns, a that head coach, that offensive line, Swift and Manong guy.
30:19There are, it may be a lot of bluster for the, for the bears.
30:23You know, their head coach is overconfident maybe, but the personnel are capable of executing it.
30:29Bowers question from RJ is Brock Bowers at the end of the first round.
30:33Crazy. I like him better than most around that ADP.
30:36I think a funny question or part to throw in here for context, Jay, you got to pick 10 yesterday.
30:43We talked about Jefferson. I mean, I don't see it being out of bounds to draft Bowers over Jefferson.
30:49We had a question recently on a different show where it was like, where is too high?
30:54And 10 was the spot where I said, I'm okay.
30:58Drafting them there. Would I personally, probably not. There's still some guys there that I really like, but if you're taking that
31:05tight end, if you believe he's going to be a point different, you know, like two points better than second place, that
31:12is absolutely where the first round pick. And so, you know, once you get past James Cook, Jonathan Taylor, the five wide
31:19receivers and the superstar running backs, I feel like you're at the back of the first and you could make an argument
31:26that Brock Bowers is just as good as any of those guys.
31:30So yeah, the back of the first, it's earlier than you maybe should take him.
31:35But if you don't take him there, if you want Brock Bowers and you don't take him there, you're probably not getting, I guess.
31:43No, you're not. If you, if you are drafting at the turn.
31:47At the turn specifically. Then you're, you do, you don't have a chance.
31:51No. You don't take them or. Yeah. And I don't think it's bad to take them at the turn.
31:57G Thorpe writing in my league always has a huge quarterback run after, after the first one gets drafted.
32:03Should I stick to ADP value or grab a quarterback early?
32:07So. This is tears. I mean, you, you know, your league now that's, that's one of the things that this show is
32:14all about is you cannot perfectly apply everything we say to every single league situation.
32:19We want to give you like advice that you apply to your league context and then you go and benefit.
32:25If you know that that's, what's going to happen.
32:28Let me tell you what's going to happen. If there's a huge quarterback run after the first quarterback gets drafted, that means
32:35a ton of wide receivers and running backs are dropping further than they should in their ADP.
32:41So that's a guarantee. When we did our mock yesterday, I was thrilled when two or three quarterbacks went right in front
32:48of where I was able to take somebody because they get knocked down the list.
32:53So I wouldn't get caught up in the run.
32:56Right. I mean. I definitely wouldn't get caught up in the run at quarterback.
33:00There are certain positions where what happens with the tears, tier based drafting.
33:04And if you've got the UDK, all of our rankings are in tiers so that you can kind of group certain players.
33:12It's not just like, oh, this guy's the fifth ranked quarterback and this guy's the ninth ranked quarterback.
33:17If they're in the same tier, they're basically saying the range of outcomes is so similar to those guys.
33:23When you're drafting by tiers, that's where the dictate of you look at which guys you want, like what tiers you're happy with leaving the draft.
33:32For me, there are lower tier quarterbacks I am happy leaving the draft with.
33:36If you're not, then when you start running out of the tier above that where you're like, this is where I'll be
33:44happy, then yeah, pull the trigger even if it's ahead of ADP.
33:47But I agree with Andy specifically on quarterbacks. If your league pushes quarterbacks up, that is the perfect opportunity to just keep
33:55smashing running backs and wide receivers, getting better value than you should.
33:58And then grab the late guys that have the chance.
34:02You know, there's a handful of late quarterbacks this year.
34:05There's a lot of them. There's actually a lot.
34:08Yeah. That are really exciting. I mean, there's a world where you're getting Matthew Stafford wildly late and he's great.
34:14I mean, Goff is another one. Purdy is another one.
34:18Dak is another one. I mean, even. Darts going.
34:21Caleb is another one. Darts going. Last I saw was in the ninth round.
34:25That's an exciting one. The funny thing is there is a.
34:29I met my maximum scared at this exact moment, by the way.
34:32With dart? With dart. Oh, for sure. For sure.
34:35I mean, again, Nagy ruins all. But there is a quarterback who was the quarterback seven two years ago, and that was his rookie year.
34:44Then he was the quarterback six this last year.
34:46Then they added a wide receiver one to the team.
34:50Lost nobody. And he's being drafted as like the quarterback 15.
34:53So if you're in a single quarterback league, he's basically not drafted, which is Bo Nix.
34:58Yep. And Trevor Lawrence. And I mean, the list goes on.
35:02So just keep. Bear that in mind. Scarf up them running backs and wide receivers.
35:07We have. Obviously, we were supposed to do our top 10 tips and tricks show today.
35:12Mike is out. We've kicked it back to next week.
35:15It's going to be great. But one of the things I'm going to talk about as a teaser.
35:21Oh, no. Spoiler. Oh, tease. Okay. Tease is fine.
35:24Tease is a different spoiler. Teaser. Yeah. Well, it depends on how much you give away.
35:29Is I'm going to talk about how important it is to keep grabbing those running backs and wide receivers in the context
35:36of the last 20 years of fantasy and what you need.
35:40That's good. That was a good teaser. I didn't say anything.
35:43Honestly. Yeah. I want to hear it. Yeah. And you're going to.
35:47Awesome. If you subscribe. Unless I catch that lettuce diarrhea.
35:51Can you get that from another person? I think so.
35:54Yeah. Really? You got to kiss. Yeah. I think.
35:57I think you'd have to like. Yeah. Yeah. So, yes.
36:00League tendencies. We just talked about that with the quarterbacks.
36:03Let's go to T. Grove here. Dynasty question. Is Devontae Adams worth trading a 20, 27 second round pick?
36:09No. To get. I don't think so. I mean, if you are.
36:13This is the nuance of Dynasty. Yeah. If you're a contender, I'm happy to add Adams for a second round pick.
36:20Why? Because that second round pick is going to be late.
36:24If you're an actual contender. And Adams, I think, can give you another year of high production.
36:29You need the depth and Dynasty. I'm okay with it if you're a top three team.
36:34If you're. The nuance matters there. If you are really, truly a.
36:38One of the best. Not like I'm competing for a championship, but I'm one of the seven.
36:44There's seven of us that are in it. If you're like a top three team and you know this is going to
36:51be near a third round pick if you do well.
36:54Okay. You can. You can convince me. But otherwise, I do think in general, just taking teams out of it.
37:01A 20, 27 second round pick is probably worth more at this point than Devontae Adams, who it's not outside the range of outcomes that Devontae Adams.
37:09This season is done. Like he could come out this year and be like, oh, okay.
37:14He, you know, he's 33 and 34 this year.
37:17He just kind of lost a step. It's funny because I'm, I'm like leaning on McVay and the Rams and their moves
37:24at wide receiver to tell me that Adams still has it in some regards.
37:29Yeah. But they did that with Alan Robinson. And they were wrong before.
37:33I was wrong, but they were wrong. Yeah. You can't always do it.
37:37We just make probability bets here and probability bets say a guy turning 34 this year doesn't have a lot left in the tank.
37:45Help me understand this question on Instagram here. Westbrook writing in better 2026 for Carnell Tate or any Bears wide receiver.
37:52Is that just. Yeah. So, so that's versus that's tape versus six round versus burden in the fifth or dunes in the six.
37:59Exactly right. That's what it is. So, so Tate or the bears.
38:03Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I know what he's going to vote.
38:07I think I'm going to vote it too. I am.
38:10I like Tate, but I, I can't imagine that one of the bears don't outperform Tate.
38:15I can easily imagine. To have a good imagination.
38:18Well, the thing is, is Colson Loveland could very well be the number one target.
38:23It could also be Rome. It could also be burden.
38:26And should all three be very, very involved. I think that there's a world where you're disappointed.
38:32Definitely with the two wide receivers because a tight end doesn't need to do as much to be valuable at that position.
38:39But if, if Colson Loveland has a breakout season, really good.
38:42If he dominates and becomes like, Hey, he is a tier one tight end, which a lot of people are projecting.
38:49Um, I know we are pretty bullish on him.
38:52If that happens, I don't think that burden or Odunze splitting the rest will be a top 15 wide receiver.
38:58In which case Cardinal Tate should easily lead this team in targets.
39:02I think he gets 140 plus targets this year as a rookie.
39:06Ooh. Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah. And if he does, it would be not worried about the like Wandale and Ridley and
39:13any of those guys contributing to the. It wasn't, I mean, it wasn't a good day last night for Tate.
39:20Not that it needed to be. He didn't catch a pass.
39:23Um, but I was just curious what you thought there.
39:27Let's take a break and we'll jump into some more mailbag.
39:30Okay. I'm still mad at Falcon, by the way.
39:33That was one of the, that's one of the worst things that's happened.
39:37We were, we were literally doing a recording of a podcast listened to by millions and he made it worse, but then you made it better.
39:46Okay. By making him by making him do it again.
39:49Yeah. It's good, but it's been a tough two days for him.
39:53Uh, we'll take a break. A lot of people don't understand that it's owl O W L Borland, right?
39:59They think it's Al Borland. A lot of people don't know that it's not Falcon.
40:04It's failkin. Right. F A I L C O N.
40:07That's right. Falcon. The Falcon. Mm-hmm. Fly. Fly Falcon.
40:10I accept. Oh. All right. I, I, I sensed a tiny bit of humility in his reply right time.
40:16A tiny bit of humility, a tiny bit of shame, a tiny bit of sadness.
40:21Uh, not enough of any of those. Not enough of any of those.
40:25That's right. That is what I was saying. Um, Instagram question from GS Laney, 41.
40:30People say, I want to work for the ballers.
40:33No, you don't. Good job on that video yesterday.
40:36Great job. Thank you. Uh, no, he was talking to me on the swing.
40:40Yeah. Yeah. Cause you left the, it was not the swing.
40:44You left the microphones out at home. Um, when is a time you threw analytics out the window on a player you had a gut feeling on?
40:53I mean, I think part of me is doing that with Devon H.
40:57And right now because sure, you know, you, you, we, we've, I understand you can comprehend all the arguments of something and
41:04still choose to reject them because arguments, analytics, those are percentage odds of something happening.
41:09If let's say you have something that has a 70% chance of happening, you might say, well, I'm really up against it.
41:16Well, there's a 30% chance that you're wrong. And so for me, I'm throwing out Malik Willis's lack of passing to the running back.
41:24Why? Cause it's a chance and he doesn't play starting quarterback very much.
41:28I love, I love that take. Um, it's true.
41:31You are spitting in the face of the probabilities, but it's, you're right to point out that the probabilities are not guarantees.
41:38So, you know, if you believe that this is the exception to that rule, there are exceptions to that rule.
41:45That's, I would say this year, the player that I am that way with is Travion Henderson.
41:50Uh, okay. I totally recognize, totally recognize that Ramondre Stevenson is kind of that starter that Ramondre Stevenson is good.
41:57That Ramondre Stevenson is a better pass blocker. That Ramondre Stevenson is an important part of this offense.
42:02And I'm like, I don't care. Travion is better and he will take over this backfield and score a ton of fans.
42:10I feel like it's almost a great segment is I don't care.
42:13Yeah. It's just called, I don't care. I don't care.
42:17Yeah. Yeah. There are, there are going to be players and you know what?
42:21I'll tell you this one. We tell you to go with your gut all the time.
42:26Yeah. So if you don't, don't just go blindly with ADP or our opinion, go with your gut.
42:32And that way you can be mad at yourself.
42:35Right. But you can also, there is no better feeling than when you press back against the consensus opinion.
42:41Oh yeah. And win. Oh yeah. You're a hero.
42:44Yeah. I mean, it feels great. So, and by the way, all the consensus opinions, they're not going to be right.
42:51Not all of them. And that point I was talking about earlier on the 10 tips and tricks, we're going to talk about some of that as well.
43:00Skylar. What a show coming up. Skylar Jensen writing in, would I be a dog if I took CeeDee Lamb in the
43:07first and George Pickens in the second? Oh man.
43:10Or is that cat-like? So that can win. However, genuinely, no joke, if you draft those guys, you absolutely have to get Dak Prescott.
43:18There are large scale tournaments that have been won by a double stack wide receiver for a quarterback.
43:24If you pick the right time, the right season, the right team, the quarterback with their two main weapons can work.
43:31I would not. I won with Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning, and Dallas Clark before.
43:35No? I won with Peyton Manning, Demarius Thomas, and Julius Thomas before.
43:39So you have to have Peyton Manning as part of this?
43:43I did notice that part. Yeah. No, but I mean, Jimmy Graham and Drew Brees with Colston, those things happen.
43:49They can happen. If you believe, go with your gut.
43:52It's putting a lot of eggs in a basket.
43:55But it might be a real nice basket. It's like, whoa, that's comfy.
43:59Those eggs ain't ever fun. That's a nice basket.
44:02Trey. Would you do that? Would you be tempted?
44:05If you had CeeDee Lamb. No. I wouldn't either.
44:08No. I'd pivot away. Why isn't Bashaw Tootin high?
44:11I mean, I also don't want to play Chase and Higgins on the same team.
44:16I mean, I just don't. It's just not part of the way I want to run my roster.
44:22Trey wants to know, why isn't Bashaw Tootin higher on draft boards?
44:26Trey wants to know, why isn't he? The reason Tootin isn't higher on draft boards is simply the reality that he might
44:33not be the pass catching back and he might not be the goal line back.
44:38If he's neither of those, he's a terrible pick.
44:41Right now he projects to be the starter and therefore have the most work, which would include some goal line and some pass catching.
44:48LaQuint Allen has been working in as a pass catcher.
44:52Crod was not there for the offseason, so we didn't really see what the split would be.
44:57But this could turn out to be a three-headed backfield.
45:00Now, the coaching fallacy of like, will they do the right thing or what is the right thing?
45:06If Tootin is truly good enough to take over the backfield.
45:10He's so much more explosive. I mean, it's like 4-3-2 speed.
45:13If he really takes it over, he'll be an outstanding pick in fantasy football.
45:18This could be a very good offense. I think the Tootin bros are super bullish.
45:23But if you're asking the question, why isn't he higher on our rankings, it's because we project more of a timeshare.
45:2940x40 writing in on Instagram. Does Jay Grizz prefer smoked or unsmoked salmon?
45:34Oh, he is. Of course smoked. He's been so domesticated.
45:37He's like, oh, raw fish. Yeah, it used to be raw.
45:40Oh, right out the river. Right out the river.
45:43He'd bite that head right off. But then he's like, I'm cardboard now.
45:48Smoked that. But you said smoked? Yeah, he won't smoke that.
45:51Mark, for defense and kicker leagues, does it make sense to reach for studs?
45:56It actually kind of does, but less so at defense.
45:59Is that like the Brandon Aubrey and the Seahawks defense?
46:02Yeah. The thing about the defense is a lot of times in years past, it's been very hard to predict.
46:09You think it's easy. Before the season, you're like, oh, well, this is clearly going to be the one.
46:15And then all of a sudden, defenses take 11 people on the field at once.
46:20And if things don't work out great, you go, okay, well, I reached for this defense.
46:25But then they're the fifth best defense. Which is not a good place to reach for the fifth best defense.
46:31Right, exactly. Now, if I had to guess on the defenses right now, like the Texans defense is unbelievable.
46:37Yeah, I mean, I think you're very safe there.
46:40I think you're safe with Seattle. I think you're safe with Denver.
46:44Yeah, Denver. Those feel like the safest ones. But I wouldn't, I mean, again, I give you three names.
46:50So why take the first of the three? Yeah, that's fair.
46:54I could not confidently say one of those three teams will be the number one.
46:59I'm very confident. I mean, the Rams. If you've got Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald, maybe they should be the number one.
47:06I don't know. Whereas, I think at kicker, it's like, okay, Brandon Aubrey, yeah, go ahead and reach on him.
47:12He's going to score more fantasy points than probably everyone else.
47:16Tyler brings up a good question here because it was almost the answer to my quick question of the day.
47:22Is Adonai Mitchell the best sleeper no one is talking about?
47:26I think that is absolutely the case. I mean, I think he's one of the best.
47:31It was him or me mentioning Naylor. However, Adonai Mitchell is going to have a prominent role in a Jets offense, probably playing every down.
47:39All the arguments that, you know, you have made for your boy, Geno Smith, apply to Adonai Mitchell in terms of more
47:46targets, more yards for the Jets than they've had in years past.
47:50And I think he showed when he arrived in New York last year that he could play with not good quarterback performances.
47:57So, to me, he is a deep sleeper. But that's the category for me, is deep sleeper.
48:03I think he would have been an appropriate answer for the quick question of, like, who would be the snap goblin keeping someone else upset.
48:11Like, if there's Omar Cooper Jr. believers out there, first-round draft.
48:15It's so weird. I don't remember the last— Omar Cooper's getting negative press.
48:19I don't remember the last time we had a first-round NFL-drafted wide receiver who's not injured that's like—I mean, he's undrafted.
48:26He's undraftable. It's funny because that, you know— In fantasy.
48:29I mean, it was Omar Cooper and Sadiq there, right?
48:32Yes. And, like, neither guy looks like they're going to be super relevant.
48:36Sadiq is trying to get back by week one.
48:39I think Adonai Mitchell will be the clear wide receiver, too, for this team.
48:44I don't know. My Geno argument of the Jets having more passing work, volume, yardage, counting stats than they did last year is true.
48:52But I do think Garrett Wilson soaks up—he's such a target hog, and I think he's going to have a 30% target share of this offense.
49:00Yeah, I look at Mitchell more like, you know, what Trey Tucker could do at times in Las Vegas last year.
49:07Which, ironically, was with Geno. Like, there were games— Yeah.
49:10Like, Trey Tucker—like, Adonai Mitchell is going to be a downfield threat very often.
49:15I think big play potential for him. He's going to be up over that 13, 14 yards of catch.
49:21But, yeah, I mean, you should have more arguments against a sleeper than for them.
49:26That's what makes them not drafted or drafted very, very late.
49:29Last question from Joshua. It's a good one. We—right now we're in the middle of our UDK for Life giveaway.
49:36What is the best way to use the UDK to do tier-based drafting?
49:40I think you touched on this earlier. But what about specifically with the way the UDK functions in terms of the app or the, you know, marking players?
49:49Functionally, I like doing it personally on an iPad.
49:52I mean, not everybody has an iPad. You could do it on your iPhone.
49:56You could do it on your laptop, your desktop, whatever.
50:00But if you have one, I really love putting that sucker landscape and you mark all your players.
50:05You highlight the ones you want to target. Highlight the ones you want to avoid.
50:10You've got all of the tiers right there. You scroll.
50:14Yeah, you can mark players as drafted. I think people don't necessarily know that.
50:18Just swipe and mark them as drafted. So as your draft goes along, you can just follow it.
50:24You can make sure that those highlighted players aren't missed.
50:27Alternatively, and I know we're old men, but like Andy, your favorite way to use the UDK, we have customizable printable cheat sheets.
50:35And you print it. You bring a marker and a piece of paper to every single draft that I can remember.
50:41And that is a really easy way to see everyone at a glance.
50:46You never miss anybody, any players further down the list.
50:49Even if you're using your iPhone, your computer, web browser, iPad, it is nice to have that printed cheat sheet handy right next to you.
50:57So maybe check that thing out too because you can turn on what you want on if you want ADP on or not.
51:04It's a very valuable resource. Those of you that have already been in there using the mock draft tool, that's coming to the web very soon.
51:13It's right now on iOS and Android, but this is the perfect time to jump in.
51:18Your drafts are on the way. I can't imagine a better next week of shows.
51:23Breakout, sleepers, values, bust, 10 tips and tricks. So I think it's going to be a fantastic week.
51:29And a mayhem mock draft is taking place next week.
51:32The UDK for Life giveaway, if you pick it up before August 24th, we're doing a live stream that evening.
51:38We're giving away a UDK for the rest of your life.
51:42We just decided we'll let you bequeath it, if it's in writing, to your next of kin.
51:47So it's a UDK for life. And this will, of course, be a UDK plus.
51:52This will be, you know. It's cream of the crop.
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