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Early Busts + Early Values - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/11
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1 hr 4 min
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Jun 11, 2026
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Thu, June 11, 2026
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D.J. MooreJ.K. DobbinsKenneth GainwellMike EvansTucker KraftAlec PierceChristian WatsonJadarian PriceRJ HarveyZach CharbonnetZay Flowers
Player analysis
Player insights
Alec Pierce
PositiveInjury0:51
Alec Pierce's ankle surgery could keep him out until the back half of training camp, but it is not a long-term concern.
Insight pageChristian Watson
PositiveRole0:27
With Romeo Dobbs gone, Christian Watson is expected to score a lot of fantasy points this season.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
NegativeBust0:22
DJ Moore is being overdrafted and is likely to be a bust this season, as he has lost much of what made him special, evidenced by his career lows in receptions, receiving yards, and forced missed tackles last year.
Insight pageNegativeBust0:54
DJ Moore is being overdrafted and is viewed as a likely bust this season, especially compared to other available players.
Insight pageJ.K. Dobbins
PositiveValue0:32
J.K. Dobbins is currently being drafted in the mid-30s, making him a great value pick in the ninth round, especially considering his past success as a starter.
Insight pagePositiveRole0:57
There are concerns about Dobbins' workload due to the presence of RJ Harvey and potential three-way timeshare dynamics.
Insight pageJadarian Price
PositiveRole0:36
With Zach Charbonnet sidelined, Jadarian Price will have an opportunity to take on a significant role in the Seahawks' backfield.
Insight pageKenneth Gainwell
PositiveUsage0:27
Gainwell's versatility and the team's need for a pass-catching running back could lead to increased opportunities this season.
Insight pagePositiveValue0:30
Kenneth Gainwell is a solid value pick, likely to be available late in drafts, and has the potential to be a significant contributor in the passing game.
Insight pageMike Evans
PositiveValue0:14
Mike Evans is viewed as a great value pick this year, with the potential to be a top 12 wide receiver despite concerns about his age and injury history.
Insight pagePositiveMatchup0:19
The 49ers are projected to score a lot of points this season, and Mike Evans is expected to be a key contributor in that offense.
Insight pageRJ Harvey
NegativeBust0:27
RJ Harvey is being drafted as the starter for the Denver Broncos, but he is likely the third down back and has shown inefficiency, ranking poorly in multiple rushing metrics.
Insight pageTucker Kraft
PositiveRole0:08
Tucker Kraft anticipates playing in week one without a snap count, which could lead to significant usage in the offense.
Insight pagePositiveBreakout0:53
Tucker Kraft's breakout last year was legitimate, as he consistently contributed to the team before his injury.
Insight pageZach Charbonnet
NegativeInjury0:26
Zach Charbonnet is expected to be out until October at best, which opens the door for Jadarian Price to get significant playing time.
Insight pageZay Flowers
NegativeBust0:31
Zay Flowers finished as the wide receiver seven last year, but his performance was inconsistent, and he is being drafted too high given his lack of touchdown potential and the presence of other offensive weapons.
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1:06To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. With your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.
1:11Hello! Welcome in. Thursday, June 11th. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
1:14Welcome in one and all. We are talking about early value picks.
1:18Early bust picks on today's show. Just got done with some breakouts on the last episode.
1:24Some sleepers on the last episode as well. And we're happy to have you with us.
1:29I won't bring up golf. Unless you want me to, Jay.
1:33I don't even know what that is. There have been...
1:36I used to play that game. There have... Well, see, that's the thing where...
1:41Mike just shakes his head in just full judgment on all of us that are...
1:46Because Mike is just above it or below it.
1:49I don't know. There's the golf course right back behind you.
1:52That's definitely not Arizona right now. Take away the trees.
1:56And add fire. And add fire. And desaturate the grass.
1:59Mike, don't you... Just be dead. Don't you take like some...
2:03Aren't you kind of impressed that we... Like we would start to get into playing golf while it's the hottest time of
2:10the year and we're still doing it? Like isn't that commitment?
2:14That is... You are showing a true love of the game.
2:17A true love of the game is what Jason has.
2:21Did not experience today. But, you know, we're good.
2:24It was a long time ago. People are just...
2:27Every time we talk about it, they're like, what's your score?
2:30What's your actual score? I'm not asking, but I mean like...
2:34Right now... I did reply to one person. Like we played at a par 72.
2:39Yeah. 18-0 course. You shot a 95. Right? Correct.
2:4296, I think. Okay. 95-96. Al, what did you shoot?
2:45It was 95. Oh, that's right. Yeah. So, I mean, people wanted to know.
2:50They didn't know. And now they know. People took guesses at the handicaps and things like that.
2:56And we are definitely handicapped on the course. Yeah.
2:59That is for sure. Early busting values, NFL news, mailbag show today.
3:03I feel like we've been watching, Jason, you in particular today as well, just a lot of quarterback film.
3:09Yeah. Cam Ward, Caleb Williams, Michael Pinnock, Drake May.
3:12Trying to just remember and actually watch through what happened.
3:15And when you're watching the games, especially the way that we watch them, right?
3:20We're watching them live on Sunday and we're watching eight or nine games at once.
3:25You're taking in all these plays and then you do the analysis and the analytics and all that.
3:31But it's really different when you can watch everything cut up and just watch one player throw all of his passes.
3:38One player catch all of his targets. You know, you just watch them over and over and over and over.
3:45And then you compare that to another quarterback right afterwards and you go, wow, I didn't I didn't remember how freaking bad Michael Pinnock's was, for instance.
3:54Right. I was like, OK. That was one of your takeaways.
3:57That was one of my big takeaways. It wasn't a good one.
4:01OK, so two was the starter after watching that film.
4:05I was like that. Not good. Michael Pinnock's was terrible.
4:08Just downright disgusting. Would you say that Cam Ward's film was better than Michael Pinnock's?
4:13Yes. And it wasn't great. Cam Ward's was not great.
4:17Correct. But compared to Michael Pinnock's, it was awesome.
4:20You're correct. Yeah. Yeah. We watched Caleb yesterday. I know you're watching some Jacoby today.
4:25Caleb had a lot of downfield passes. I was very impressed with Caleb.
4:29The more that I've been watching all these players, I'm just.
4:33Man, I'm like I think I'm like really in on Caleb.
4:36This year. Both for fantasy and for. I think he's going to take a massive step forward.
4:42I don't know if I saw one of those passes that Caleb under through.
4:47I think 90 percent of them. They were like your adrenaline.
4:50No, his adrenaline was going and he was overthrowing.
4:53But what a laser. But the more football film you watch, the more excited I got.
4:59You know, it's funny. We're going to talk about the bust picks in a little bit.
5:04And watching the Caleb film really made me confident in my bust pick today.
5:09Oh, OK. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't know what your bust pick is.
5:13There you go. So I'll find out with everyone else.
5:17Mike is not happy with Mike. No. The people.
5:20The people. The people hate it. The people are pretty fine with it.
5:24Are the people Mike? No. The people. Oh, OK.
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5:45Instagram.com slash Fantasy Footballers. Quick question of the day was sent in by Zach in Arkansas.
5:51Do you have a different strategy between a home league or a more competitive league or a different strategy between the two types?
5:58I'll jump in and it's ADP. We play a very market-based game during the period of the draft, especially ADP is everything.
6:06You know, the wisdom of the crowd or the ignorance of the crowd as well.
6:11When you're in a home league, far more players are not going to be researched.
6:16They're not going to... You know, they're just there to have a good time.
6:20You're there to win. So you can take advantage of that because those players are going to be looking at the ADP
6:28and whatever their draft platform is and not take any risks and not realize, oh, I'm going to be looking at the game.
6:35Where when you're in a competitive league, ADP can work against you because you're staring at that.
6:41You were just in your home league and you're like, man, I got this player two rounds later.
6:47I'm going to sit and wait. And then you get sniped because there's other people who...
6:52They are in the know. They listen to the information and it can work...
6:57It doesn't go according to the script. It can work against you and you think you know exactly how the draft is going to go.
7:06So you're going to play the game with the ADP.
7:09And when you're in the competitive league, it doesn't work like that.
7:13You really just have to draft the players that you're wanting to draft, not let the flow of the room disrupt that.
7:20Yeah. And I would say when I'm in a home league, what you just said, you said it for a different reason.
7:28But I tend to... Like in a home league, it's a little easier.
7:32You could take advantage. You can kind of crush souls.
7:35But also, just take the guys you want to watch.
7:39Like that's when I'm playing in a league that is just far more for fun, I want to enjoy...
7:45Is that just where you get shares of the favorite players?
7:49Yeah, exactly right. I'm like, I'm going to take my dude.
7:52Yeah. No, I mean, it makes sense. I don't think...
7:56You know, it's certainly different dynamics between both of them.
7:59Your home leagues are where you find a lot of those hometown players end up going a lot higher.
8:05But yeah, some structural differences there. Let's talk some news.
8:09News and notes from around the league. Well, these tight ends are tough, right?
8:13Tucker Craft says he anticipates playing in week one without a snap count.
8:18Craft and Kittle, man. Craft and Kittle. Craft and Kittle.
8:21Kittle and Kraft. Tough guys. Yeah, they are. Mike brought them up recently, I think maybe on the last episode, just about
8:28how you feel like you're going to fall for this trap.
8:32Oh, I'm like... I'm a... Yes, I... They're getting me.
8:35I'm pretty convinced. Yeah, you're going to be in on Kraft.
8:39And it's... I can't argue that much against it.
8:42If he looks good and he's there early, I will adjust.
8:46Right now, I still have him a little lower in my rankings due to the fact that he is coming off of
8:53the massive surgery and might not be ready for week one.
8:57But his breakout was legit. It really was. Going back and looking at his game log last year, it wasn't just the final...
9:04It felt like kind of what we experienced with Travis Hunter, where it was really one game where he had this massive breakout and then got injured.
9:13Because it did happen where after a massive game, he got injured.
9:17But he was having good weeks every single week.
9:20And he was a big, important part of their team.
9:24And I know you like Christian Watson a lot this year.
9:27And part of the reason for that is you buy into the offense.
9:32Romeo Dobbs is gone. Matthew Golden hasn't proven that he can be that guy yet.
9:37So one of those two, Christian Watson or Tucker Kraft, are going to score a lot of fantasy points.
9:43Well, that'll be fun to watch for training camp time.
9:47Speaking of training camp, Alec Pierce's ankle surgery could end up lasting into training camp.
9:52So he may not come back till the back half of training camp is the way it sounds right now.
9:58Again, I don't think you pay a guy a hundred plus million dollars if you have any concerns about it.
10:05Oh, long term. It's also not an ACL or a knee situation.
10:09Long term is fine. It's just short term. Like, is he ready to go week one?
10:14That's something to watch. I think if he gets back for any training camp, we'll feel a lot better about it.
10:21Zach Charbonnet, more injury updates. Seahawks running back. Got in some light field work with trainers at minicamp.
10:27Very light. 15 minutes of high knees. But that's good.
10:31Dude, I could knock out 15 minutes of high knees.
10:34You could get some light on field work done at training camp.
10:38I could knock out five minutes of high knees.
10:41Five minutes? I don't know about 15 minutes. Oh, there you go.
10:45Do you know how long five minutes is for high knees?
10:49I could knock out a minute of high knees.
10:52Yes, there you go. Going back to the Alec Pierce thing.
10:55I'm just curious because we had this debate about Alec Pierce recently.
10:59I feel like they're going to keep him in the same role.
11:03You feel like the opportunity is there because with Michael Pittman gone and Adonai Mitchell, there's a ton of targets that are needing to go somewhere.
11:12Do you think this hurts his opportunity missing the first half of training camp or more?
11:17I'm not there. I'm not there where I'm worried about it yet.
11:21It just feels like if you're going to have him miss the training, it would be easy to be like, well, you're
11:29going to do what you did last year. You already know all of it.
11:33I mean, his wide receiver target percentage last year in a bunch of these games was very, very high.
11:40And this is with an active Michael Pittman. I still think that you have a situation where this is their dude.
11:47I mean, name somebody else that's going to step into his role.
11:51Tyler Warren. Well, no, he plays tight end. Josh Downs.
11:54No, he's little. Okay. Those are the two. If you had another name, like if you told me that there was somebody
12:01else that could step into that situation, those guys, if you talk about a role for those guys, they're defined.
12:08They're certain. Josh Downs is not moving outside. So I don't have the fear right now.
12:13No, I don't. And the money talks to me.
12:16If the ankle starts talking to me later, then we'll have another conversation.
12:21You want to know a name that was uttered by the coach of the Colts recently?
12:26I don't think I want to know it. I'm only bringing it up because it's such.
12:32It's. Westbrook Akina. No, no. It's insane. Laquan. Yeah.
12:35Laquan. Laquan Treadwell. I feel so much better about Pierce just by you saying that.
12:40This was not an argument for anything. No, I know.
12:43It was simply like. Who? What? Do you have the quote?
12:47Do you have the actual quote? Oh, let me.
12:50You posted it this morning, and I believe your words with it was, this was a real quote.
12:56I'm really proud of Laquan Treadwell's growth and development is essentially what he was talking about.
13:01How many years has he been in the league?
13:04He's been in seven years. He's in a minute now, guys.
13:08I'm really proud of his development. He's really. He's 30.
13:11This is a grown man. Maybe he just meant like his physical development.
13:15Maybe he meant like as a person off the field.
13:19Yeah, mate. Yeah. This is not football. Not like Routry or anything.
13:23He's like donating his time. You know, just a good guy.
13:26Who knows? Well, back to Zach Charbonnet. The expectation is October.
13:30At best for Zach Charbonnet, which means Jadarian Price is going to have an out of the gate opportunity on the defending
13:37champs to get a ton of run. I mean, maybe not all of it.
13:42You know, you can say George Helani is going to get work and sure, but you drafted his only first round running back.
13:50If you say George Helani's name three times in a row, the Helani Hive will show up.
13:55You and two friends? No, I'm just saying like they're out there.
13:59I'm warning you. They are scary people. Yeah, let's move on.
14:03They meet in the cover of dark. We won't talk too much about that.
14:08I bumped Price up a bit, which is why it will be so hilarious when Helani is the starter.
14:14That's twice. Do you think the price of Price will increase?
14:18Yes. I mean, most of these rookies will be higher drafted closer to the season than they are right now.
14:24More off-season. Wait, we haven't hit the hype train in a little bit, but let's do it because it's worthy.
14:31I miss our old hype train. You always have.
14:34I like when we scare people on the road.
14:37Do I have to stop the train? Is that my job?
14:41Hey, you can't stop the train. Oh, okay, because it really does go on forever.
14:46Bhayshul Tuten continues to look like one of the most explosive elements of the entire Jacksonville offense.
14:51I mean, with Crodd not there, he has the opportunity to just take the HN role.
14:57If you're drafting at all right now, you should be taking this discount because I don't think his ADB is going to hold.
15:04It feels like Jacksonville is primed to be the maybe hype center of the off-season right now because we've gotten Bashal Tootin.
15:12We get the every day. It's Trevor Lawrence and BTJ look so good together.
15:17But yet ADPs are fine. Yeah. I mean, it's June.
15:20What I'm saying, well, Tootin could rise. Thank you, Jason.
15:23He could rise up dramatically, but the wide receivers, no one has any idea what to do with them.
15:30So I think they're going to stay late no matter what.
15:33Well, because they all have equal hype. You know, Travis Hunter will get hype and Parker Washington will get hype.
15:40And yeah, Bashal Tootin continues to look like he wants the lead job.
15:44Todd Monken, Brown's head coach, that is, not Baltimore's offensive coordinator anymore.
15:48Brown's head coach, Todd Monken, said he's unlikely to name a starting quarterback by the conclusion of the minicamp.
15:55Oh, man. So that'll go into training camp. Faulty advantage.
15:58Honestly, I don't think. I think he really needs to figure this out.
16:02I do. This one isn't. This isn't a competitive advantage.
16:06This is like, dude, I have no idea. I have to.
16:09When you have to pick one of these two guys, you're like, ah, give me more time.
16:15Yeah. I mean. He's actively looking into the outs of his contract.
16:19Like, do I have to coach this team? Which faulty parachute do I jump out of this plane with?
16:25I think he's going from circus to circus looking for Zoltron machines and just like trying to make wishes here.
16:32Like, please. Is that a big reference? It was.
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17:45Before we jump into our early bust picks on today's show, I do want to say this.
17:51You said good luck, Monkin, right before the break.
17:54And the two coaches, I think, that look the most in trouble are ironically on the opposite ends of the age spectrum.
18:02When I watch Todd Monkin try to... I bet very predictable that them going to those franchises would be like, good luck.
18:09Yeah. I mean, the Cardinals, new head coach, Woody Woodpecker.
18:12Dude. Dude. I see it. I see it. You don't want to just destroy a man because of some aesthetic choices, but...
18:20Oh, brother. So LaFleur and then Todd Monkin. He's the older statesman.
18:24And those situations are kind of how both would find themselves in a head coaching job right now.
18:30The Cardinals and the Browns are not serious organizations.
18:33No, they are not. Well, speaking of bus... Bus.
18:36I forgot the video was you. You're Humpty Dumpty in that situation?
18:40Well, I am an egg. And you fell off...
18:43Not necessarily... Because... There are other eggs with different names.
18:46Well, there are other eggs. Also, I believe there's nothing in the nursery rhyme that actually says Humpty Dumpty is an egg.
18:53Yeah, but we all know. But we are assuming.
18:56But has it ever been proven that Humpty Dumpty is...
19:00Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Yeah. He had a great fall.
19:04Okay. All the king's horses, all the king's men that couldn't put Humpty back together again.
19:09But why is he an egg? Many things would break if they took a great fall.
19:14What is he if he's not an egg and his name's Humpty Dumpty?
19:19That's not a great name. No. You think there's one person named that?
19:23In the... In the world? No. No. No. No.
19:26No. Because if your last name is, in fact, Dumpty...
19:29Kyle... You're not going with Humpty. I want to...
19:32If your last name is... It's John. I'm John Dumpty.
19:36If your last name is Dumpty, please reach out.
19:39I just want... I want to meet you. Just like...
19:42Free tickets to our live show. That's Mr. Dumpty to you.
19:46Dumpty. You wait... No one with the last name of Dumpty goes Humpty.
19:50You got to be an egg to be a Dumpty.
19:53Um... All right. Kyle's diving in. He's going to do the research for us.
19:58Nursery Rhymes is where it's at. But we are starting with our bus picks, Jason.
20:03Let me define this for the listening audience here.
20:06Not players that we're saying are guaranteed to fail, but have some things that maybe are working against them or represent high risk.
20:14Or maybe things look beautiful on the outside. The fantasy finish, so to speak, looks great.
20:19And maybe you need to beware and look at the low-end outcomes.
20:23Or, you know, maybe relative to ADP, we don't like them.
20:27That type of thing. Yeah. A lot of times, you know, in the UDK, we'll have a bus section.
20:33And they're not always guys we don't believe in.
20:36Sometimes it's just like, this guy's being overdrafted. You're not going to be having...
20:41For... Best example of that was last year's Ashen Gentty, who was on our bus list.
20:46And he finished as the running back 12. But everyone who played knew, like, that was a bus pick.
20:53You took him, you know, halfway through the first round, and he really got off to a hard time.
20:59Now, my bus pick on today's episode... Hold on, Jay.
21:02We got to... There's an update here from Kyle.
21:05Is this a dumpy? Kyle, how certain are you of this?
21:09It doesn't matter. I'm going forward with it. Okay.
21:12We have the... He gave us a screenshot of the Dumpty family history.
21:16There is a Dumpty family history. With the name Seymour.
21:20Seymour. So there was, in fact, a... Seymour Dumpty.
21:23Seymour Dumpty. Come on. Oh, no. There was also a Hartford Dumpty.
21:27Seymour Dumpty. That's from Ancestry.com? It says we've only scratched the surface of the Dumpty family history.
21:32You wouldn't even believe how many Dumpties. Oh, my gosh.
21:36That's pronounced with a Dumpty. So I'm going to be Mrs.
21:39Dumpty, is it? Huh. Maybe I'll keep my name.
21:42Yeah, it's a real Julia Guglia. Dumpty Dumpty. This is ridiculous.
21:46All right, we have bus picks. Jason, were you volunteering to go first?
21:50Yeah, I'll go first because I alluded to this earlier.
21:54Less is more? Yeah, and honestly, this is not one of those where I think he's being just slightly overdrafted.
22:00Like, I won't be drafting this player. Like, I do think this will just be a bust and a wasted pick.
22:07And where he's going right now, he's going ahead of players that I think are great picks.
22:13That is wide receiver, brand new shiny toy for Josh Allen, DJ Moore.
22:17DJ Moore has been a great NFL wide receiver.
22:20He's been great for fantasy a handful of times.
22:23Usually we kept saying, oh, if he could only have a quarterback, he'd be great.
22:28Unfortunately, he didn't have a quarterback. And so he was always like a wide receiver, too.
22:34Very, very solid. I mean, you look back at his wide receiver 18, wide receiver 22, 19, 22, wide receiver 6.
22:41That was his big year in Chicago. And then wide receiver 17 last year fell down to wide receiver 33.
22:47And the thing is, is I think he has lost a lot of what made him special.
22:53I just talked about when I watched the Caleb Williams tape, it made me more confident in this bus pick.
23:00Because I would watch Luther Burden look awesome. Rome look awesome.
23:03Mr. Love, man. Oh, always looks awesome. He looked great.
23:07Oh, and he's hungry. And then every target to DJ Moore was like, oh, man, who is that?
23:13Oh, that's number two. Ugh. It just didn't look good.
23:16And some of the stats really, really bear that out.
23:19You know, I know that Joe said, why can't I think?
23:23Joe Brady? Yes, thank you. Joe Brady talked about how he felt like he didn't see any drop off in the film when he was looking to acquire.
23:32Yeah, last year's film. He hasn't seen any drop off.
23:36Yeah. They were together five years ago. So Joe Brady, back in the day in Carolina, is used to a certain DJ
23:43Moore that I don't think he is anymore. Career low in receptions.
23:47Career low in receiving yards. Career low in yards per route run.
23:51Career low in forced missed tackles. This was like DJ Moore was a yak master.
23:56Get the ball in his hands and watch him break tackles.
24:00He broke four tackles last year against man. He used to dominate.
24:04This year, targets per route run, 16%. That's bad.
24:07Yards per route run against man, less than a yard.
24:100.7. Yeah, that is like, that's dog doo-doo. He's not the same guy.
24:15And then you look at like, I mean, we've seen this.
24:18Like, Amari Cooper, good, maybe passes prime, goes to the Bills.
24:22And you get excited because it's like Josh Allen needs his Stefan Diggs that he had of old where it's like, oh,
24:29he's going to be a top 10 wide receiver for fantasy.
24:33But that's not the way this team runs anymore.
24:36You look at in 2024, Josh Allen became the first top five fantasy quarterback to not have a top 36 wide receiver.
24:43And then in 2025, he did it again. It's like, that's just who they are.
24:48He spreads the ball around. They're not going to target an alpha one.
24:53And DJ Moore is not an alpha one. Right now, he is being drafted ahead of Mike Evans.
24:59We'll talk about him in a minute. Carnell Tate, top 10 first round wide receiver rookie.
25:04I would love that. Christian Watson. We're big fans of him.
25:08Roma Dunze. You know I'm in on that. Wide receiver 2-3 bubble.
25:12And I mean, first of all, even when DJ Moore's had big games or big seasons, it's come inconsistently.
25:18He's not a high volume every game target earner.
25:21So I just think at 29 years old, year nine changing teams is not going to work.
25:27The name is carrying a lot of weight with it that the performance probably won't.
25:32And I love that. I hope his ADP doesn't drop.
25:35I love seeing him where he is because I know someone's going to make that mistake.
25:40And it won't be me. And I'll eat the words if he has a resurgence in year nine changing teams.
25:47Your namesake, too. That's a little bit tough. That's sad.
25:50Here's the other year nine wide receivers changing teams.
25:53Randall Cobb sucked. Marvin Jones sucked. Alan Robinson sucked.
25:56Odell Beckham sucked. Nelson Aguilar sucked. Tyler Boyd sucked.
25:59And Cooper Cup sucked. And then there was one good example who was a potential Hall of Famer in Devontae Adams when
26:07he went to the Raiders to play with his best friend at quarterback.
26:11Do we get ourselves in lots of trouble in fantasy?
26:14This is a things to remember thing of the projecting the next blank.
26:19Yes. Yeah. I mean, it feels like that works out almost never.
26:23I mean, the next Tyreek Hill in Kansas City, we went through 15 different players.
26:28Well, it happens with coaches, too. Like a coach comes over and says, like, oh, who's going to be in that role?
26:35It's like, well, that's not how it works. Remember how I believe it was just talked about with the Cardinals?
26:42Michael Wilson is in the Puka role. Right. Well, that's Puka's role.
26:46You've got to beat Puka. Jason, it remains to be seen.
26:50The Los Angeles Rams have to deal with the Arizona Cardinals.
26:53Remember the next Wes Welker for 40 years? Mm-hmm.
26:56Oh, man. Is he on the Patriots? Oh, man.
26:59Is he white? Oh, man. Hey, we got Edelman.
27:02I was going to say, that one actually did happen.
27:06Yeah, we got to work down a little bit.
27:09That took a while, though. Danny Madola was in there.
27:12How long after was Edelman? Yeah, the next Gronk?
27:15Oh, man. Absolutely. We did that. I remember some, oh, my gosh.
27:19Yeah, no, there's- What was the long-haired- I didn't want to reference him because I couldn't think of a name.
27:26I know, I won't remember. The long-haired off-season- No, no.
27:29No, he was a Patriot. This was a Patriot preseason hero that flashed for five seconds.
27:34Yeah, we just talked about this guy. Yeah, we'll find it.
27:38Mike, I'm going to let you go next since you're going to mix a running back into the post-picks.
27:44I'm going to go with the player who, it will not surprise people to hear this name, a player who is being
27:52drafted as the starter, as the RB1 from their team, and I don't think that he is.
27:57I think that he is the auxiliary, maybe the third down guy.
28:01It is RJ Harvey of the Denver Broncos, who the best ball drafters have a better idea as he's going as RB31,
28:09and he's RB21 right now in sleeper. I'll start with the good.
28:13He's one of nine rookie running backs since 2010 to score 12 or more touchdowns.
28:18That sounds great. The problem is he did it on 193 total touches, and I mean as a problem, that's a level
28:25of efficiency that just cannot be replicated. There was excitement for RJ Harvey.
28:29It was a surprise second-round pick. Running backs being drafted in the second round, that's generally a good strategy for us to go after.
28:37And yet the team's beat reporters were like, nope, it's going to be JK Dobbins.
28:42Dobbins, I'm trying to tell you, it's going to be JK Dobbins as the starter, and then week one hits, and there it is.
28:50JK Dobbins is the guy. Before Dobbins was hurt, I mean, Harvey was just not seeing opportunities.
28:56He was at eight and a half. And then weeks 13 through 17, he got to be the guy.
29:02The opportunities went up. The scoring went up. And yet, he was unbelievably inefficient as a runner.
29:08We had 55 qualified running backs with 80 or more rush attempts.
29:12He was 51st in runs stuffed at the line, in percentage of runs stuffed at the line.
29:1852nd in runs of 10 or more yards. The explosive.
29:21The super-fast electric. RJ Harvey couldn't rip off runs of 10 or more yards.
29:2649th in success rate. 48th in yards after contact per attempt.
29:30I just, I don't, if I don't see a world where RJ Harvey returns anything close to his ADP unless the running
29:37back room for Denver gets completely depleted again. You want to bet on a Dobbins injury?
29:42Yeah. Yeah, I get it. He actually, I get it.
29:46Like, RJ, or Dobbins, he gets hurt all the time.
29:49But when he is on the field, Dobbins is awesome.
29:52Like, he just, he plain delivers for every single team that he has ever played for.
29:58He just does get hurt a lot. But Harvey right now is being drafted like he's going to, like the takeover has happened.
30:05And I just, I don't understand it. He's going around players who have a much better odds of actually making an impact on your team.
30:14And drafting Harvey where he's going in your home leagues, I just, I think it is a complete waste of a pick.
30:21And you're going to be sitting around waiting and waiting and waiting for when you can finally plug him into a starting lineup.
30:29Well, when you pick him, you need to play him at his ADP.
30:33And you can't. So that's a huge problem. You cannot.
30:36If you suddenly lose that confidence, which, look, there are all, you know, Jonah Coleman, who we like, who we believe is
30:44a good runner, should have some opportunities. And a great pass catcher.
30:48And Peyton's history is to give other guys that we don't even know much about opportunities.
30:53Tyler Bidette. Yeah, I was going to say your name can be Bidette and you can get the ball.
30:59Yeah. Now, I mean, I like pushing back when I disagree.
31:03I agree with both of your picks, like wholeheartedly.
31:06My pick will not be agreed upon by Mike.
31:09No. At all. But I think this is a player that is an absolute fantasy football mirage for your team.
31:16And I say that with all due respect. I don't hear any respect.
31:20He said with all due respect. I said all due.
31:23That doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want afterwards.
31:27It's Zay Flowers. It's Zay Flowers. And the people are booing, I guess.
31:31The people hate it. Now, here's the truth about Zay Flowers that I think is very difficult to, for some, to swallow, to deal with.
31:40I think it's obvious by his ADP that people know that what happened last year by fantasy finish number is not, it's
31:47not like indicative of what he actually represented. For your team.
31:51Because last year he had a wide receiver seven finish.
31:54Now, that was 12.1 fantasy points per game. But his ADP this year is 21 on sleeper, 15 on underdog.
32:01There's nothing wrong with Zay Flowers the player. But I think in fantasy, you know, we've seen three years of Zay Flowers.
32:08And last year to finish at seven, when I look at the game log, I'm mesmerized by the fact that that math works out.
32:16I really am. He had career highs. I'm going to give him, here's his Flowers for Flowers.
32:22118 targets, 86 receptions, 1,200 yards. That's great. Those are all awesome numbers.
32:26Week one, monster performance. How many fantasy points do you have?
32:3027, something like that? 24.6 and a half PPR.
32:33Number one overall wide receiver in the first week of the season.
32:37For the next 12 weeks, so 71% of the fantasy season, so like almost, you know, a huge majority, he averaged eight
32:44fantasy points per game as a wide receiver 41.
32:47His next highest finish in the next 12 weeks was 21 overall.
32:51He wasn't a top 24 receiver for the other 11 weeks.
32:55So the math ends up somehow he's wide receiver seven because he ends, he bookended the years with number one overall finishes.
33:02So week 18 when it didn't matter for fantasy, number one.
33:06Week one, huge impression for your team. I'm going to, I got a guy.
33:11Number one. And then he had a great fantasy playoffs.
33:14I'll give him that. Eight, 18 and 11. But when you, when you put the context together, it's just, it's a really
33:21tough situation for me to buy into the draft price for Zay Flowers.
33:26I can't see a world where I'm taking him over Devante Smith, Emeka Ibuka, Terry McLaurin, Cam Scadaboo, Bashall Tootin, who you love, Jameson Williams.
33:34Like maybe you can have that debate if you want.
33:37I think that's fair. Yeah, that one is. I want a little safer dude or I want a little more explosive or.
33:45More volatility, higher upside is on the Jameson Williams.
33:48The, the, the more regular safe approach player would be Zay Flowers.
33:52I, I have Zay Flowers ranked around where his ADP is.
33:55Which is 21. Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not.
33:58I think I'm at 24. O-U-T on Zay Flowers.
34:01But I am closer on Andy's side than the people's.
34:05Because his, I mean, we've seen, we know who he is.
34:08And he's a, he is not, he's, we're not saying he's a bad wide receiver.
34:13He's just for fantasy. He doesn't have that, like he's going to score five touchdowns.
34:18You know, and that's kind of how when they get around the goal line, he's not a goal line threat.
34:25He's just not. And, and he shouldn't be. They've got Mark Andrews.
34:29They've got Derrick Henry. They've got Lamar Jackson. That's not, you know, they're, they should be putting their best foot forward.
34:36And it's not Zay Flowers there. So then you just have a low.
34:41I know he finished wide receiver seven, but like you're saying, Andy, it just, the process.
34:46Well, look, I have really good numbers for this.
34:49Cause if you look at every top 10 wide receiver since 2019, and you look at their fantasy finish and their consistency
34:56rank, and you compare them because we give you those consistency scores.
35:00So he finished at seven. His consistency was 16.
35:03That's a Delta of nine. So he was minus nine.
35:07He's a B. Yeah. It was minus nine. We looked at all the players that had a similar Delta, right?
35:13Anything that where their consistency was not with their fancy finish.
35:1769% of those finished outside the top 15 the next year, 50% were wide receiver 24 or worse.
35:23It's not a good sign. If your consistency rank and your fantasy finish are that far apart.
35:29I just feel like Baltimore as a team, and maybe that maybe with the new head coach and a new offensive ideology,
35:36this, at least the potential for change is there, but they spent what?
35:40Surratt and Jacoby Lane. Yeah. So they drafted two wide receivers, and every single time I've ever watched Baltimore, I've never said
35:48to myself, they need Zay Flowers to win this game.
35:51They may use them in this game to win, in that game to win.
35:56I don't go into the game saying, like, I'd say that about Derrick Henry.
36:00I'd say that about Lamar Jackson running the football.
36:03I might even say that about Mark Andrews for about four or five years, but I've never been in those games where
36:11I'm like, man, Zay Flowers has taken this one over.
36:14And that's where the disrespect that Mike hears comes in.
36:17Yes. Where I think he's a really good player, but I think the fantasy community already knows this, or he wouldn't be a fifth round pick.
36:26You don't draft the wide receiver seven in the fifth round unless you already don't believe that finish, which you've never defended that finish.
36:34No, no, no. You've never come out and been like, this is the seventh best wide receiver in fantasy.
36:40No. But to me, relative to the draft spot, I've got him.
36:44So he's being drafted on underdog at 15. Mike's got him at 16.
36:49Jason at 17. I'm at 24. So it is a bust for me.
36:53It was one of those players that stood out where my fantasy finish was quite a bit further than you guys.
37:00He's 21, fifth round pick and unsleeper. So I'm not too far off of that.
37:05But when I have to draft him, I feel like I'm going to have to say, this is an every week wide
37:12receiver two, and I don't think I can get there.
37:16He was, you know, he's hitting 10 points or more a lot of the time.
37:21Like I said, be inconsistency. So maybe you guys don't see the ceiling case for Zay Flowers with Declan Doyle coming in.
37:28And this, I think that's a huge deal, actually.
37:31If you told me, okay. We love Monken. Yeah.
37:34But what I'm saying is, if it were the same old, same old for the Baltimore Ravens, I would be looking at
37:42Zay Flowers in this ADP and being like, nah, I don't see how it changes.
37:47And I agree the identity of the team will still be Lamar and Henry.
37:51This is going to, like, the AFC North, this is going to be a team that has to run.
37:58Yeah. No, we have news. You want me to hit it?
38:01No, no, no. Just hold on. Hold on. Oh, you got more stuff to say?
38:06Yeah. And so I'm saying, with the new head coach coming in and how good I think Zay Flowers actually is as
38:14a wide receiver, I do see a world where he spikes.
38:17He gets up to eight touchdowns. Maybe even nine.
38:20He had one red zone touchdown last year. Yeah.
38:23This is what I'm saying. It is. But there's like...
38:27He's not built for it. It's a completely different offense that will be happening.
38:31And, you know, it's... I mean... Do you see the possibility of Jacoby Lane and Serac competing?
38:37For the wide receiver three spot, yeah. But I mean, like, being more...
38:41No. Part of the offense? I do not. Especially with what I'm reading so far.
38:46I mean, it's Bateman still locked in as the two.
38:50Bateman and Treadwell. They're just going to be there forever.
38:53But Bateman just keeps cashing huge checks, though. So, the team, it's...
38:57He is the number one target when it comes to passing offense.
39:01The passing offense of the Baltimore Ravens wasn't actually that good last year.
39:05If you remember, Lamar Jackson did not have his finest year.
39:09Missed a bunch of games. And so, for Flowers to do what he did last year just speaks to me of...
39:16This is a good player who has gone from 24 to 25 to 29% of the targets.
39:22I mean, you push 29, 30% again, and you just get a little bit of touchdown luck.
39:27He can easily squeak in and repeat a top 10 performance.
39:31I don't have him stated there nor projected there.
39:34But betting on talent, Zay Flowers is locked in there.
39:37Breaking news. We have a break... Yeah. Thank you.
39:40Yeah. We have a new deal for Patrick Mahomes?
39:43Is that what just broke? That is what is breaking.
39:47The total value of the deal? Very expensive. So, the new money...
39:51Hey, they were riding cheap with Mahomes for a while.
39:54The new money on the deal is worth $239 million.
39:57The total value of the deal is $504.75 million from 2026 to 2033.
40:02There'll be more updates like this over the course of that time as well.
40:06Half a billion. It's all guaranteed. $504 million guaranteed.
40:09No. It becomes guaranteed through contract mechanisms, according to Adam Schefter.
40:13Because the first four years are being guaranteed at signing.
40:17Right, but it says all $504 becomes guaranteed through contract mechanisms.
40:20Okay. So, it'll be like... He can earn up to $522, and boy, he must really want that.
40:26You gotta... Whenever I'm making $504, I'm like, how can I get to $522?
40:31You wanna motivate a man. The deal averages $64 million per year.
40:35Okay. Kansas City. Cardinals are gonna have to pay Jacoby now.
40:39Do you think that this... Yeah, they should've got that deal done.
40:43They got a $3 million deal for Jacoby Brissett.
40:46And they just shelled out $522 million. Did we cause this to happen?
40:50Talking about how McAfee was gonna make more than Mahomes on last episode?
40:54Because he was asking for $60 million a year.
40:57They probably didn't know that. They probably... McAfee's not...
41:00No way! $64 a year. Did you hear those fantasy nerds talking about that money?
41:05Yeah. Wow, congratulations. Kansas City. Kansas City. Unleash the offense!
41:09Figure it out! Mahomes has the least deep touchdowns in the league.
41:13The last... Couple years, yeah. Four years. Sorry, BNME's back.
41:16The thing about the Chiefs, the high-flame... Sign Tyreek.
41:19You should! They really should. When the Chiefs were destroying everybody.
41:23And just going to Super Bowl after Super Bowl until, you know, it trailed off.
41:28But the offense was so fun to watch. We didn't hate the Chiefs.
41:32Like, we didn't hate... At least the way I remember it is, like, we hadn't turned.
41:37We wanted to watch the Chiefs. Well, because they didn't have the titles yet either.
41:42Well, but even when they... You turn when you win a bunch, too.
41:47Even when he had a couple, I feel like...
41:50It was like, oh, no, I still like the Chiefs.
41:53Because they're very fun to watch. This is a great product.
41:57And then it just became so boring the last couple years.
42:00Still succeeding. That's when... They're missing... That's when we turned.
42:04I mean, I hope Ken Walker can be a part of this.
42:08Oh, please! Because they're missing, like... It was Kareem Hunt, and it was Tyreek Hill, and it was prime Kelsey.
42:14Now you have old Kelsey, you have Pacheco, and you've got Rice missing games, and you've got to throw the ball to Justin Watson.
42:22That's not fun. There's a reason why he has eight touchdown passes of over 30 yards or whatever it was in the
42:30last handful of years, at least in the league.
42:33They don't have the personnel. And then they spent the whole draft on defense.
42:37I would not be shocked... Figure it out. If they're still...
42:41You know, in his fantasy value, Patrick Mahomes came from running the football, and now he's coming off an ACL injury.
42:48So, yes, I'm with you. And his number one wide receiver is also coming off of a knee surgery.
42:54And currently in jail. Like, currently right now... Rehabbing it in jail.
42:59In jail. It's so brutal. Yeah, I just saw he won the opportunity to be in his own cell to rehab the knee after some of the days.
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44:21Values. Are you really doubling up? I really am.
44:24Well, I guess get it out of the way, Mike.
44:27Because it needs to be said. So you know how I don't like RJ Harvey?
44:32Yes. I like J.K. Dobbins, who is just... Where he is in the draft is...
44:37What it can do to the build of your team is unbelievable.
44:41He's going in the mid-30s, both in best ball and on sleeper currently.
44:46It was all this chatter. What are the Denver Broncos gonna do at the running back position?
44:51They're gonna do something. Listen, they're in on the big names.
44:55They were trying to get Brees. They wanted Brees Hall.
44:58They wanted Ken Bone Walker. They wanted Rumbelaya. They wanted to make a move.
45:03They weren't able to do it. And so they end up bringing J.K.
45:07Dobbins back. It's a two-year deal. It's worth up to $16 million.
45:11It's $8 million guaranteed. It's not nothing. And the fact that he was so successful as the starter versus what RJ Harvey gave you.
45:19I mean, this is the same team, guys. The same offensive line.
45:23J.K. Dobbins was running for over five a carry.
45:26RJ Harvey's at 3.7. Runs going for more than five yards.
45:30Like a good chunk run. 41% of Dobbins carries.
45:3329% of RJ Harvey's. 10-yard runs. Almost 14% for J.K.
45:36Dobbins. Went down at 5.5% for RJ Harvey. It's just he is such a better runner than RJ Harvey.
45:43And he's going in the ninth round. He affords you to be there.
45:47You take your elite tight end. Take a freaking quarterback with the tight end.
45:52I don't care because you can get a running back, too, in the ninth round.
45:57Do you think that Jonah Coleman could make this a three-way timeshare, which would really make all three?
46:03They didn't make Dobbins a priority. That would be one of my counterarguments was that Dobbins sat out there and they were
46:10kind of canoodling with some other free agents at the running back position.
46:15Yeah. And then they settled on returning. You know, they got one in the draft and they bring Dobbins back.
46:21They have Harvey. I think that's my biggest concern.
46:24Now, I don't think – like, if you think of what you're saying is right and Dobbins is showing that in training camp, this ADP won't stay.
46:33But it won't go up to a point where it's unaffordable.
46:37He'll maybe go – so, in our mock draft, Jason took him in the seventh.
46:42The seventh round, you got Kyle Monungay. Like, he's an interesting player, but he's definitely not the starter.
46:48You have, you know, like Rico. Rico, it's just weird with him and Jalen Warren, Blake Corum.
46:54And then there's J.K. Dobbins. I don't know if the team – like, last year he was kind of a revelation, right,
47:01where you expected maybe the rookie gets an impact.
47:04He comes out and gets it done. And I don't disagree on the value or anything.
47:09I'm just more so talking philosophically about J.K. Dobbins.
47:12If I'm that team and, like, Harvey's gotten his reps and I go out and I get Jonah Coleman, I don't see a world where J.K.
47:21Dobbins is getting more work than he got last year by any stretch of the imagination because he got hurt doing it, right?
47:29Like, that was part of it is J.K. Dobbins injury-prone, gets hurt with too much work.
47:34That's where my hesitation would come. But right now it's like a free player.
47:39I feel like it's a free player and it's a free starter who was – you know, before the injury game, his consistency was a B.
47:47He was putting up – he was at 11 fantasy points a week on average.
47:52The team's going to win a lot of games and they're going to be winning a lot of games with their defense.
48:00Yes, elite defense. So giving the ball to a veteran running back makes sense.
48:04Who actually has success on the ground as opposed to R.J.
48:08Harvey. Jason, your value pick. My value pick, I've been talking about him, talking him up this whole offseason.
48:14I know, Andy, you disagree with me on this one, which is fine.
48:19But I think Mike Evans is a great value.
48:22I believe he's going to be very good this year.
48:25He is old. He's changing teams. He's 32.8 years old.
48:28He'll be 33. Those are some of those things you're always looking for.
48:33Yeah, I mean, no, I'm bringing those up because that's usually something I avoid.
48:38That was your D.J. Moore argument. Well, that was year nine.
48:41And also in that argument – Oh, Mike Evans.
48:44That was year nine. We're not – Mike Evans is way past year nine.
48:49Yeah, but also the one guy who stood out on that list who was great when he changed teams, he was the
48:56wide receiver three, was Devontae Adams because he's like a Hall of Fame level caliber wide receiver.
49:02That's what Mike Evans is. He's a Hall of Fame – second ballot Hall of Fame wide receiver in the future.
49:09And this is a team that is projected to score a ton of points.
49:14Like right now they're, I think, like the third highest – fourth highest in projected points.
49:19Who's going to score the touchdowns? Obviously Christian McCaffrey is going to get his.
49:24We don't know about the health of George Kittle.
49:27Mike Evans is going to be a touchdown machine.
49:30Brock Purdy throws touchdowns. They lost John Jennings. Every report from San Francisco right now is about how amazing Mike Evans is.
49:37The connection between Purdy and Mike Evans has been awesome.
49:40So healthy. I mean, that's really – see, that's the issue to me.
49:45I don't think – you have two arguments. You have the argument that he's lost it.
49:50He's old and it's just like don't go in on that.
49:54That's fine. Maybe that's true. You have the other argument of, well, he's injury prone.
49:59And so I don't want – I mean, going to San Francisco, goodness gracious, an injury prone wide receiver, that's fine.
50:06And I do believe there is a chance that this is a pick where if he gets injured, you go, well, shoot, I should have seen this coming.
50:15I feel really stupid. But when he's on the field, he's going to score a ton of fantasy points.
50:21He's not going to be – I don't think he's going to be a wide receiver three.
50:27I think he's going to be a potential wide receiver one.
50:31I think he could be a top 12 wide receiver.
50:34And he's going in a place in the draft where it's like you're not – you are drafting an old guy changing
50:41teams who was injured last year and you're worried about it.
50:45But the scheme that Kyle Shanahan has really leads to a lot of specifics that Mike Evans does.
50:51They play with two wide receivers on the field often.
50:54That sounds – some people think that's bad for fantasy.
50:58That's great for fantasy for wide receivers. It's consolidation of targets.
51:01When Mike Evans has been in two wide receiver sets, he has dominated.
51:06That is his bread and butter. I just think what Shanahan does, what Brock Purdy does, and what Mike Evans does is a match made in heaven.
51:15It's very similar to my argument last year with George Pickens and Dak.
51:19They just – what Dak does well is what George Pickens does well.
51:24It was – and they needed him. And that's the thing here is like they need Mike Evans.
51:30They need a wide receiver one and everything about, you know – Hey.
51:34Yeah, is that Ricky P? This is Ricky Mouse.
51:37Ricky Mouse. But you're going Mice Evans? What's that?
51:40Oh, I missed it. What? That's fine. It was fine.
51:43It's fine. I see some – It was a mouse slash mice reference.
51:48Mice Evans for Ricky Mouse. Oh, my goodness. I mean, it wasn't really like – Bust it!
51:53It was more just I was throwing it right back to you real quick and you couldn't pick it up.
52:00Oh, yeah. There's a reason. I don't pick up turds.
52:03Listen, I'm going to make – I don't like that joke.
52:07Thank you, Ricky. I'm going to make a – I'm going to say something that you're going to love.
52:13Okay. I love – I love Mike Evans. Okay.
52:16If it was 2023. Because that's when he was a my guy and I loved Mike Evans.
52:22Look, you're not going to win any argument opposing you on the basis of what Mike Evans has done.
52:28That's not any argument against Mike Evans. He's done everything.
52:32He's been amazing. He's been one of the greatest wide receivers we've ever seen.
52:36In fact, his career has spanned our career almost perfectly where he's dominated the entire time that we've been doing the podcast.
52:44You have to – Like, I noticed that we can't – We throw last year out because he was injured.
52:50Mm-hmm. I mean, he did play like – He started the year as a wide receiver 41, 48, 27.
52:57Then he was out. Came back 8, 24, 28, and 50.
53:00We won't know if the wheels were falling off very much last year.
53:05But I tell you what, there's a chance they were when you're 32 years old.
53:10You're going to be 33 this season. Like, I don't like the basis of saying something's just going to go wrong, and that's my entire argument.
53:18But it is. It is my argument. I mean, it didn't work with CMC, but it did.
53:24It worked with Purdy, and it worked with Pearsall, and it worked with, you know, the other parts of this offense.
53:31And it has worked, when you look at San Francisco, not quite figuring it out with some of these pieces.
53:38Like, if Mike Evans has the fountain of youth and at 33 years old is producing at, you know, 28-year-old Mike Evans levels, you're going to be right.
53:47His situation's really good. But it's not like we don't like Baker Mayfield.
53:51Like, he produced wide receiver five numbers with Baker Mayfield in 2023.
53:55I don't think it's an upgrade on his situation that much to what he was doing then.
54:01Well, no, but I mean, the targets, 57% vacated targets.
54:05His targets aren't going to change that much. So, this is, I mean, I'm just saying the need for him is like,
54:12so if he goes down, you say it's not going to work out, it's going to go wrong, he's going to go down.
54:20I'm saying. Where do they throw the, it's, I mean, then you should be drafting.
54:25I didn't say he was going to go down.
54:28Are you drafting Ricky Pearsall, like, a lot? No.
54:31Are you high on him? No, no. Come on.
54:34What I said was not that he's going down.
54:37I said something's going to go wrong. Well, sure, but we know what that would be.
54:42Well, no, because it can be Purdy getting hurt.
54:45It could be. Do you think that the 49ers.
54:48Them not building him into the offense to the way that you like it.
54:53Do you believe the 49ers offense will be a good offense?
54:56Score a lot of points. When they're all healthy.
54:59No, no, no. But like on the course of the year, healthy, not healthy.
55:04I mean, the 49ers are never healthy. Do you think that this is an offense that will be a top 10 scoring offense?
55:12Probably in that range. Probably in that range. So it's got to be someone.
55:16So I guess if you are out, if you're listening and you're like, I'm not doing a 33-year-old hamstring, you know, tight hamstring guy.
55:24I'm just not doing that. Then I would say draft Ricky Peay.
55:28Because someone here is going to emerge. Except for that argument didn't work last year.
55:33Because that argument was completely applicable to Ricky Peay.
55:36He wasn't the beneficiary of it. It became Juwan Jennings in a CMC year.
55:41And Kittle was on fire. So like other things do happen.
55:45Like other players come in and produce. That's all I'm saying.
55:48I have my fears. That's it. 33-year-old changing team guys.
55:52The arguments you made for, like this is Hall of Famer.
55:55So maybe he can do what Julio couldn't do.
55:58And he can go to San Francisco and dominate.
56:01I do think it's in the range of outcomes.
56:04But I also think like you have him ranked in a place where, you know, he's going to start every week for you.
56:12Yes. And you're going to be counting on it.
56:15Would you take Mike Evans or Abuka? Abuka. I would take Abuka.
56:19I was just curious. I didn't know. Nothing. No agenda there.
56:23Just curious where you were at. I guess I have to share mine.
56:27Yes, you do. His name is Kenneth Gainwell. Oh!
56:30Oh! And not Sleeper. Because he woke last year.
56:33Right? But a value pick on today's show. I have him ranked higher than you guys do.
56:39I have him at 32. We put him back in the ADP deep freeze, though.
56:44Oh, yeah. And that's where guys like this live.
56:47That's where they're always going to live. Do you remember how many years Darren Sproles lived in that place?
56:53Oh, man. Darren Sproles. That was good times. You could never find a clear path for the dude.
56:59Like, mentally. Well, they have these other two starting running backs.
57:03So Darren Sproles. Okay. He figured it out. Like, Kenneth Gainwell last year was unbelievable for Pittsburgh.
57:09I look at the depth chart here in Tampa Bay.
57:12Bucky Irving is a huge wild card, obviously. And I don't know if he was brought up on the wild card show.
57:19He probably was. Sean Tucker, whatever. And then Kenneth Gainwell is here to be the beneficiary of an offense that has passed
57:27the ball to the running back position very frequently.
57:30Rashad White, the entire case you made for him on Tuesday, you talked about how effective he was with Baker Mayfield for many years.
57:38Kenneth Gainwell is just a pro's pro. He led the Steelers with 73 receptions.
57:42He's a free player. You talk about J.K. Dobbins in the ninth round.
57:47Kenneth Gainwell, you're going to get him there or later.
57:50And running backs are hard to come by. So, you know, he wasn't just a check down guy in Pittsburgh.
57:57That might be one of the things you're thinking about.
58:00He lined up all over the place. And this is a team that lost the aforementioned Mike Evans.
58:06They don't know what they have in Bucky Irving, and he's still not healthy.
58:11And Bowles, back in late March, said he's the 1B to Bucky's 1A.
58:15So they're already kind of setting the stage for this being a two-headed situation.
58:20It hurt players like Jalen Warren last year at times because Kenny Gainwell came in and stole opportunities in the game.
58:27And, look, what's your confidence level on Bucky Irving being a star this year?
58:31Being a star? I mean, being a – what he was as a rookie.
58:3630 – it's low. 33%. So there's not other names to step up here.
58:41And they really need another pass catcher to come and provide something from the backfield.
58:46So I think it's a really interesting situation. Hopefully an upgraded offensive coordinator.
58:50Grisard is gone. Zach Robinson has arrived. It's just, to me, very interesting to see the contract numbers that they gave him.
58:57A couple years, $14 million. The passing down value, right?
59:01A target worth more than the carry. And being kind of a Swiss Army knife for the offense.
59:07So I think it's not a name you're going to enjoy taking.
59:11People will roll their eyes and not care when you take them.
59:15Probably like J.K. Dobbins. But you might just end up putting him in your flex position before you know it.
59:21That's kind of my take on Kenny Gainwell. Nope.
59:24I'm in. You want murky situations. And Gainwell – the money is very important to me.
59:30We have. That they pursued him and they said – What did they give him?
59:35It's not – it was like – With cash or – Yeah.
59:39Credit cards. It's Amazon gift cards. It's – It was 9.8 guaranteed worth up to 14.
59:44Okay. Two years. Yeah. Two years. I mean it's not the most money but he's got to be thrilled.
59:51This was a player that looked like a bit part player that became a featured player.
59:56You know, you said a lot about Rashad White.
59:59We saw Rashad White where we had to begrudgingly accept what he was able to do in this offense catching the football.
60:06And he caught like every pass. And then what?
60:09Bucky Irving came and caught every pass. Like I think maybe Baker is really good at throwing to running backs.
60:16Yeah. For sure. I will say that it's a very, very good match between the quarterback and running back.
60:22The skills and what they excel at is a great match.
60:26It really comes down to Bucky. Because if Bucky gets back to rookie Bucky and he's explosive and he is the star
60:33that he was, they'll use him in that way.
60:36He will be more of a workhorse. But if he can't get back and currently he's injured and he is undersized.
60:43Or the efficiency is where he was last year.
60:46Or he doesn't, yeah, he's not that same explosive guy.
60:50Then they will get Gainwell on the field way more than we will want.
60:54And he'll score fantasy points. Because when you catch, I mean he had 114 targets last year.
61:00Obviously different team, different situation. But that's the, you know, not every running back can ever get 100 targets.
61:06You watched, Jay, you said you watched Rodgers. Yes, I did.
61:10Do you understand why Kenneth Gainwell got that amount of targets?
61:14Yes. Because he can't throw down the field anymore.
61:17And he's coming back? Rodgers is back. Who's going to catch the ball to the backfield?
61:22Jalen Warren? Yeah. Warren or Rico, I don't know.
61:25They both can. What about your guy? Oh, Caleb Johnson.
61:28No, no, no. That's not my guy. Heidenreich's my guy.
61:32That's who's going to emerge. Yeah. The Swiss Navy knife.
61:35Swiss Navy knife? Yeah, that's not what they call it.
61:38No, yeah. I think someone did. Did he go to Navy?
61:42Yeah, he was from Navy. Oh, my gosh. It's great.
61:45It's a great name. I think it was their running backs coach that coined that.
61:50Oh, man. It's no Dumpty. No. Oh, wow. But it's pretty good.
61:54That's Dr. Dumpty. It's Dumpty MD. Next Tuesday, underrated, overrated.
61:58That was a super fun show last year. I'm looking forward to that one where we go through a handful, maybe up
62:05to 10 situations in fantasy and some stuff like some rules and league settings and stuff.
62:10And we marked them. We just vote live on the show.
62:14Are they underrated, overrated situations? Do we agree? Do we not?
62:18That was a blast last year. We're going to do that on Tuesday.
62:22And we'll get into some surprising teams on Thursday's episode and some mailbag as well.
62:27Check out the UDKUltimateDraftKit.com. Until next time, boys. For Andy, Mike, Jason, Dr.
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