0:00It's the Harris Fantasy Football Podcast with your host Christopher Harris.
0:03Hey everybody, welcome in. My name is Chris and this is a show that's a publishing empire.
0:09Hi everybody, thank you so much for listening. Happy September 1st.
0:12Somebody play that dang song. It's a hard word for Harris to say, yeah.
0:16Oh that's right, Cumulative Press actually has books for sale.
0:19My novel, Pound Foolish, is out there in the world.
0:22Hell, play the other song! Cumulative, that's what I want to say!
0:26This incredibly stupid journey, I guess, actually begins today as Pound Foolish is ready to rock in most formats, even though for
0:33this week until basically like next Monday, I would strongly prefer that you not buy it on Amazon.
0:38Kind of a good policy in general. Amazon is not amazing for the world in several ways, but until September 7th, if
0:45you plan on buying it, buy it everywhere but on Amazon.
0:48That's what helps for the silly goal of trying to make it a bestseller.
0:52If you buy it on Amazon, that doesn't help.
0:55It's probably not going to happen anyway, but if there's any chance, it's going to be with non-Amazon sales.
1:01The audiobook actually won't be available on Amazon until next week anyway, but those are small details.
1:06Anyone who gets Pound Foolish has my great thanks.
1:09I worked real hard on that book. And I am burying the lead because I saw on social media yesterday that people
1:15had actually started getting their paperback copies in the mail.
1:18Their pre-orders came a day early. That brought up a whole different level of excitement for me.
1:24And also maybe a little nausea. Wait, you mean after all this, after this entire spring and summer, these months of figuring
1:30out how you publish one of these things, all the tiny little details, hundreds of them that were driving me crazy.
1:37Oh, now you mean people are going to actually read it and decide if they like it.
1:42That's right, Harris. That is how it works. And I'm excited.
1:45If I could just be honest, I'm also honestly just terrified.
1:49Not joking. Fully terrified. Because like nobody else has been working on it.
1:53It's just been me. All the other books, like someone else was doing the publishing and going, don't worry, this is good.
1:59Nobody has said that to me. And yeah, I'm actually quite terrified, but it's exciting too.
2:04So you can still get bribed until the end of the week.
2:08I would love it if you order the book from anywhere but Amazon and send me a screenshot.
2:13We still have four more days of bribery, including today, culminating in Friday when I'm picking the true grand prize winner at random.
2:20Someone who will join me on the podcast for a few minutes next week.
2:24I still have Zooms to give away this week if you want to talk to me one-on-one before your draft this weekend.
2:31Today we're going to give away some Harris football merch.
2:34All you have to do is order the book and send a screen cap to heyharris at harrisfootball.com.
2:40And if you are near Los Angeles and you want to come meet me tonight, Tuesday, September 1st at 7pm, I will be at Frogtown Brewery.
2:48It's going to be a beautiful day, a beautiful evening, and I will be there with, hopefully, some other yacht possums.
2:54I will read a couple of sections from the book, and then we'll just hang out.
2:59You can get a hard copy right then, and I can sign it for you.
3:03Or if you pre-ordered and you have the book coming, I have a way to get a signature for that as well that I can give you tonight.
3:12Plus we can all just hang out. I know it can feel weird if you come alone to a thing like that,
3:19but a thing that I learned from last week when I did a bunch of these is that almost everybody, I think
3:25probably everybody who came alone to one of the events had a little social anxiety to start with because it's weird to
3:32show up somewhere where you don't know anybody, but they eventually had a great time and made a bunch of friends and
3:39met folks who listened to the show. People were spontaneously starting new fantasy leagues.
3:43Maybe one of those will crop up tonight. I think Brandon Funston got entered into one of those with the awesome Tacoma people that we met.
3:51So even if it feels weird or awkward for a couple of minutes, come along.
3:55I really do think you'll have fun. This is the last reading I'm doing that I know of for a while anyway.
4:02Would be great if it was a nice crowd.
4:05What do you think, LA? Can you topple Portland as the highest attended reading?
4:09Only one way to find out, 7 p.m. at Frogtown Brewery.
4:12And if you have already gotten your copy of Pound Foolish, did I mention that I'm nervous?
4:18Yeah, I'm real nervous. I hope you like it.
4:20I truly hope you like it. Like I said, it's hard to remember.
4:24Oh yeah, that's right. That's the whole point. People are going to read it now.
4:29That whole part of the equation doesn't really occur to you when you're doing all the rest of it.
4:35These months. When did I start? I mean, March?
4:37April? Oh my God. If you have gotten your copy, if you start to give it a read, take a screenshot.
4:44Send it to me on your social media platform of choice.
4:47I will retweet it or reskeet it. I think that does help if people see other people actually in possession of the book and maybe even reading it.
4:56Hey, if you're reading it and there's a passage that you like, feel free to quote it and go, wow.
5:02Or, you know, like people do. You could take a picture of a section that you like.
5:07Also send it to me. Tag me on social media.
5:10I'll retweet it or reskeet it and hopefully it helps people discover the book.
5:14If you see me on social media promoting the book and your tendency is to like it, retweet.
5:20For the next few days, if you see me saying something about the book and you want to help it all, retweet.
5:26Likes are great. You can do both. But reskeet, retweet.
5:29And I know. I know that some of the people listening do not give two craps about any of this book talk.
5:36Hey, I saw you post on Reddit. Reddit, you think I talk way too much about other things.
5:42Where's the football? But today, for the intro, you're just going to have to deal with it.
5:47It was a pretty big day in my life, to be honest.
5:50You know, that guy, his show's pretty good. But sometimes he just talks about his writing and I do not give two craps about his writing.
5:58You know, judging by how many people pre-ordered the book or even asked for a free copy, I guess most of the people listening feel that way.
6:07But sorry, again, for one day. The intro is about the writing.
6:10There will be plenty of football here after the intro in just a minute.
6:14I should mention I am putting a sample chapter into the podcast feed today from the audiobook.
6:20So if you listen to that, maybe you want the audiobook.
6:23You can order that anywhere but Amazon. And I think pretty much get it today.
6:28That usually, don't audiobooks just immediately show up? So that's kind of fun.
6:32I'll put links in the show notes of that sample chapter.
6:35It's like 35 minutes worth of the book. I think it's a good chapter.
6:39So that should show up in your feed here in a couple hours as well.
6:44So yeah, I'm just going to admit I'm very, very nervous to the point where I didn't sleep last night.
6:50But I'm sure I'll be extremely clear-headed for all I have to do today and the reading tonight.
6:55It's a big day. And I'm so appreciative for everyone supporting this foolish endeavor of Pound Foolish.
7:00I love you. Thank you very much. Today's kickoff.
7:03Okay, on today's show, there is an NFL season coming up next week, right?
7:07Hey, Harris, your stuff is okay, but only when you stick to fantasy.
7:11I just fast forward through the rest. Cool, cool, cool, cool, dude I just made up in my head.
7:17I think you're going to like the last 51 minutes of today's show.
7:21Because Ben Gretsch is coming on the little podcast that could.
7:24And Ben and I are going to talk about players we acknowledge.
7:28You know what? We have assumptions baked into our ranks because of course we do.
7:33You know, I try to make situations matter as little as possible, but they influence us a little bit.
7:38And what if we're wrong about specific players? It's a chance to reflect on things we can't really be sure about before the season starts.
7:46We might even be wrong about. And those topics are coming your way.
7:50I thank you again so much for listening today.
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8:52Today's guest. And today's guest is Ben Gretsch from the Stealing Signals newsletter.
8:56You can find him just look on your social media platform of choice for Ben Gretsch.
9:01You're here. I'm distracted. How are you Ben? I'm great.
9:04Yeah. It's an exciting day. The book launched today right?
9:07Yeah. Yes sir. We were just talking. You've had a copy for a while because you're a trusted friend of the show
9:14and it is not the greatest time for reading but it will be part of your off season reading regimen.
9:20And hopefully you and everybody else will enjoy it.
9:23Oh my god. I have so much angst over whether that's the case.
9:27People are going to, you know, the emperor's new clothes so to speak.
9:31But, you know, at some point you just put these things out in the world and forget about the thousands of thousands
9:37of hours that go into making them. Yeah. I mean, it's all you can do at this point.
9:43You're telling me you've done some readings in some different cities and a lot of travel to promote.
9:48I think that's really cool and I'm excited to hear how well it goes.
9:53I'm sure it's going to be awesome. Thanks. Yeah.
9:55The big one is tonight in LA. We're going to see if the LA people can show up.
10:01You know, I don't know. LA, notoriously a little bit flaky.
10:04We'll see if the people show up and beat Portland.
10:07Portland is the current record holder for the number of people who came to a reading and then hung out with me after.
10:14All right. Well, so let's not talk about that anymore so I can focus on something else.
10:19You've done this list with me. I think this is the third year in a row where you come on and we
10:26get to doubt everything we've built up in our minds, our mind palaces, as it were.
10:31You know, you construct this ornate vision of what the season is going to be and you give advice for fantasy based
10:38on that vision and you kind of talk about the NFL based on, oh, well, this is probably how things are going to go.
10:45And then, of course, week one happens and somebody throws a rock and your mind palace does, in fact, shatter.
10:51And so this is an opportunity to like almost do a mea culpa beforehand.
10:55You get to just go, you know, I built this assumption into a lot of how I've talked about it.
11:01But if I'm wrong and it's sports and sometimes you're just wrong about predicting sports, then here's how it might go wrong.
11:08It's the players we might be wrong about list.
11:11When you received the assignment, did you have any thoughts?
11:14I remember doing it the last couple of years.
11:17I think I had stronger opinions the last couple of years, so I guess my thoughts were that it was going to
11:23be a little more difficult because I think we're just at such a fascinating place with the NFL right now.
11:29There's a lot of uncertainty going into this year with just all the formational stuff and the ways that the league is evolving on a macro level.
11:38And so I think it's yeah, I think it's a really fascinating one.
11:41I have a couple that I kind of grouped some some players together, so I kind of cheated a little.
11:48But I have a main guy for each point and then I might throw in some other names for you.
11:54Cheating is encouraged. Cheating is let's face it in the end.
11:57This is just about coming up with an excuse to talk about players and you'll probably name some players.
12:03We've talked extensively about but it's awesome to hear your opinion.
12:06And then I tried to come up with just names that I feel like I haven't gone on and on about over the course of the month.
12:14And a hundred percent. I mean, I would I would argue that every year is like this every year is its own complete.
12:21I mean, what other sports what other sports league are we positive that half the playoff teams from the previous year aren't going to make it?
12:29We don't know which half, but it happens every single year like the NFL, as I say, reinvents itself.
12:35So very well said by you. I completely agree.
12:38So this is a very important countdown. We have to go five through one.
12:42It's obviously a pointless countdown. It does not matter the order at all, but it matters so much.
12:48What's your number five player you might be wrong about for 2026?
12:51Oh, I love the countdown thing because I guess I kind of put it in a countdown.
12:56So it's good. So the first one I'm going to say is Colston Loveland.
13:01I might be too high on Colston Loveland. I have him in the same tier with Brock Bowers and Trey McBride.
13:07And because he goes a little bit later, I often find myself waiting.
13:11I like taking the early tight ends. And so this is the first one where I'm going to throw another guy in there, which is Tyler Warren.
13:19I think both of those young guys are pretty interesting.
13:22And I like taking an early tight end this year because I'm not as high on a lot of the mid-round guys.
13:29And so from a lot of my drafts, like strategically, because I'm pretty high on Loveland and I think of Warren as
13:36sort of a fallback that's a tier below for me, but still a very interesting target in the early rounds.
13:42I am not taking a ton of Brock Bowers.
13:44I'm not taking a ton of Trey McBride, who just broke the position last year, had 50 more targets than anyone else
13:51and 100 more PPR points than anyone else. And Bowers is this guy that I still think is sort of on a Hall of Fame trajectory.
13:59And I think these guys are obviously he's barely played, but that's you know, I do think he's got this insane profile
14:06for how his career will go when you look back to college and some of those things.
14:11So Loveland's also really interesting in that regard. He was a really good, well, a highly regarded prospect.
14:16First round pick was a 21 year old rookie last year and really close the season well into the playoffs and at the end of the regular season.
14:25And I think he could really explode for what I think is going to be a concentrated Bears offense.
14:31And so I'm taking more of the running backs and receivers where Bowers and McBride go because that's, you know, you want to get those guys.
14:39Those are stars at the other positions pushing down the early tight end decision.
14:43But now I'm really worried that like, you know, Brock Bowers could just have this nuclear season and all of these things.
14:49So and then if Loveland doesn't take a big year two step, we obviously see young guys, especially at a position like
14:56tight end where the development is not really linear.
14:59So that's a tricky one that I'm putting a lot into with a lot of my different teams.
15:04Yeah, man. I mean, I don't take tight ends probably where any of those guys go.
15:09I'm usually waiting for someone middle and later. It's a really good one to bring up.
15:14I'm on the other side of it. And it's not like I don't like Colston Loveland.
15:19I think he could be really, really good. I'll break this down into two ways of approaching this.
15:24And again, like we're not arguing. We're mostly just saying, hey, like we might be wrong.
15:29Like we're just kind of trying to sift through our own feelings about players.
15:34First of all, the gap between Loveland and Tyler Warren seems weird to me.
15:38I actually have Warren higher. Just like Loveland saved himself with basically two plays.
15:42You know, there's the week nine against the Bengals.
15:45The one like the miracle play that somehow the Bears win that game have no.
15:49But like he caught the pass to get into the winning field goal range.
15:54And I think the defense was like instructed not to tackle him.
15:57So he has this huge long touchdown. And then week 17 against the Niners, the entire defense jumps off sides.
16:03And then half of them didn't play the down.
16:06And he goes and scores a 36-yard touchdown. As of week 16, he was the tight end 18.
16:12And he finishes at nine because of that basically that one play.
16:15And I love the guy. I think he's really good.
16:18I just think you're right. He saved himself, but maybe it wasn't the most repeatable thing.
16:23And I just compare it to Warren and I go, I treat them like side by side.
16:28And I'm going to guess that you don't hear me say that treating Warren and Loveland side by side is some massive sin.
16:35No, not at all. I really like Warren too, like I was saying.
16:39Yeah. The Loveland thing is just he's a little younger.
16:42And so it's more that year two could be a step forward and kind of where the offense is with DJ Moore leaving and stuff.
16:50But I mean, I agree with you. Yeah, there wasn't like it's certainly a progression forward there.
16:55Last year's production was, you know, mostly all very late.
16:58And I was nodding along as you're talking about the two big plays.
17:02The Bengals one was huge for his efficiency in year one.
17:05And, you know, late in the season, his routes did spike late in the year and he was getting used more.
17:12And so I'm hoping some of that carries over.
17:15But no, I'm with you. Early in the offseason, I was like, Warren was good from like week one on.
17:21He was good all of his rookie year. So I'm with you.
17:24I think they're both really exciting. Right. And and Jones got hurt.
17:28And that, you know, we're looking at tight end three or something at a Warren if Jones doesn't get hurt.
17:34But then again, I could have easily put on this list.
17:37What if I'm too low on Colson Loveland? I absolutely could have done that.
17:42So my number five on this list, I I'm drafting RJ Harvey and J.K.
17:46Dobbins here and there in and to be not starters, you know, to be either a flex or even maybe like a first bench running back.
17:54And I'm kind of just ignoring Jonah Coleman a little bit.
17:57You're you're very much more into the rookies than I am.
18:01Matt Waldman has come on the show and said, yeah, don't worry about Jonah Coleman.
18:05He stinks. And he's I think he called him the slowest running back in the in the draft.
18:11But what if I'm wrong? What if I'm drafting RJ Harvey and J.K.
18:15And I prefer Dobbins to Harvey. But both of them go later than I'm willing to pick them.
18:20So depending on just when I'm picking and what else I've already picked, I will take them and be like, cool.
18:26You know, things break right. I think I could wind up with someone I can use all year.
18:32But what if they're both useless? What if every touchdown goes to Jonah Coleman?
18:36And I acknowledge that I don't really know anything about rookies.
18:39I'm kind of relying on Matt's evaluation. And I think Sean Payton's a big old liar.
18:44I think he just, you know, his whole career, he just pumps everybody up.
18:49I'm still waiting for Greg Dulcich to really hit as a Bronco.
18:52But I could be wrong about all this. Yeah, that's a really tricky backfield.
18:57I think the Broncos are an underrated team by the market.
19:00Like their win totals and stuff. I think they're better than people give them credit for.
19:05People were always really pretty skeptical when they wound up with the one seed last year, it seemed like.
19:11And then obviously they lose the AFC Championship without Bo Nix.
19:14But they could have been in the Super Bowl.
19:17They could have potentially won the Super Bowl last year.
19:20And there's a, you know, they get overshadowed by the Chargers a little.
19:24And obviously the Chiefs are in their division. But I think the Broncos are one of the better teams in the league.
19:30So I think there's going to be touchdowns here.
19:33And kind of the way you were parsing it is intriguing.
19:36It's tough for me to figure out as well.
19:39I'm probably a little higher on Jonah Coleman. I'm a University of Washington grad.
19:43So I'm maybe a little biased here. But I think he's a pretty intriguing player.
19:48I thought he looked good in the preseason. And then Dobbins was really good last year, though, as well.
19:54Like before he got hurt, he was really, really good.
19:57Harvey struggled as a runner. But they've thrown to him a bunch.
20:00I mean, this backfield, I think, is going to be challenging to get right.
20:05And maybe evolve throughout the year the way that it goes.
20:08So I'm with you. I think that's a really tricky one.
20:11All right. What's your number four? I will go to Ladd McConkie, who I have as I may be too low.
20:18I do really like the Chargers offense. But I think Ladd McConkie, who's going in like round three in a lot of
20:24these leagues, for me is more like a round five-ish guy.
20:28He was not as good last year, right? And everyone says sort of like Keenan Allen being there was a big part of it.
20:35Or I hear that a lot that, you know, Keenan Allen had a really good targets per outrun.
20:41And when he was on the field, he was taking targets from Ladd.
20:45And I hear that. But also, you know, Keenan's pretty old.
20:48Keenan didn't even have 800 yards last year. And he didn't the year prior with the Bears.
20:53People are kind of talking about Keenan. He's really good for most of his career.
20:58But they're talking about him because of like per outrun numbers the last couple years.
21:02And I'd just like to emphasize that, you know, he hasn't even had that much raw production over the last two years
21:09in these offenses where he's sort of taken work from other guys that are supposed to be really good.
21:15Ladd had the really strong rookie year. It's pretty concerning to me that he took kind of a big step back in
21:21year two and that they have a lot of other options.
21:25I don't mind taking him. I don't mind betting on the rebound in that year two was sort of the down year.
21:31And that's where I'm kind of afraid I'm wrong because I do think this offense could be really fun with Mike McDaniel,
21:38but they have a lot of options. They're going to use multiple tight ends.
21:42They have Trey Harris. They drafted the rookie Brennan Thompson.
21:45I think they're going to use the running backs in the past game a good amount like McDaniel did in Miami.
21:52So there's a bunch of stuff that for me, I think lads, I compare him to like Parker Washington who goes a
21:58little later is like the probably the best bet in a crowded, but good passing game.
22:03One that we expect a lot of production out of and Parker Washington's been kind of a hype guy for a lot
22:10of people, but he's going meaningfully behind Ladd McConkie.
22:13I guess I don't understand the premium on Ladd where I'm seeing him go in the third round a lot and haven't really been drafting him.
22:21I'm worried that I'm overthinking sort of his last two years and that the Chargers offense could just be so good that
22:27he winds up having a great year. I'm on the same side of this one as you.
22:32I tend to be a little bit behind the market on McConkie and I hear you about like the too many mouths
22:39to feed, but I always find that to be I can I can invent mouths for almost any team.
22:45Do you know what I mean? Like every team has options and it comes down to OK, but is this one guy
22:52just a transcendent enough player that that he's JSN?
22:54I mean, that's extreme, but you know, it just becomes the gravitational pull of their talent is so overwhelming that the offense
23:01kind of has no choice but to bend his way a little bit more a little bit more a little bit more
23:08and suddenly, you know, the we're the line between various receivers is so fine that you're just trying to come up with distinctions.
23:15And I think maybe where you and I are both coming down to is like, yeah, a lot of stuff went wrong
23:21with the Chargers last year and maybe it wasn't a fair test of anybody because they just couldn't block anybody after September.
23:28But can you and I wrap our heads around the idea that McConkie is that guy who is a gravitational pull, a
23:35bend guy, a guy who's just so overwhelming that eventually doesn't matter how many mouths you're still just needing to throw him the ball.
23:42And I'm kind of with you that he's good.
23:45He's real good, but he's like a real particular kind of good.
23:49And if you know, like he's a slot player and he's the best receiver on that team.
23:54But is he like so overwhelmingly talented that like I'm going to say, you know, there Scott Pianowski came on the show
24:00yesterday and kind of like as an aside mentioned that he couldn't draft McConkie enough.
24:05He's got him everywhere. And like that could be right.
24:08We could be misremembering McConkie from his rookie year and thinking that last year is the full representation of his talent and we just might be wrong.
24:16I totally agree. I think you put that really, really well.
24:20The upside case about him being that good to bend everything sort of his way is something that I see as possible.
24:26But like I said, I just think it should be a cheaper bet to make than the market lets me in most of my drafts.
24:34Like DJ Moore is another one that is similar.
24:37I brought the Parker Washington. Like I have him ranked by those guys.
24:41They go quite a bit later than McConkie and I don't see it real like significant reason for that.
24:46And so that's where I have a hard time taking that, but it doesn't mean that I can't.
24:52That's why it's on this list. It doesn't mean that I can't be wrong for exactly the reasons you said.
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26:04We're back with Ben. We are talking, we're expressing self-doubt on a day of great self-doubt for me personally.
26:09We're also expressing it professionally. We're talking about players that we might be wrong about.
26:14I got another Bronco for number four. What if Cortland Sutton is just washed enough that the signals the Broncos sent by
26:21trading for Jalen Waddell and talking up Pat Bryant and drafting all these receivers the latest, you know, couple years?
26:27Maybe this is a signal that Sutton's last year in Denver just isn't going to be as involved.
26:32It's not like I have Sutton super high. It's not like you really have to draft him to be a fantasy starter,
26:39which is kind of more comfortable for Cortland Sutton because, you know, that's last year.
26:43Suddenly everybody's like, oh, he's really good. Let's take him as a starter, you know, and it worked out.
26:49It was good. But he is teetering. He's reaching that point.
26:53We haven't seen a fade yet, but, you know, he kind of goes in the like 90 or so in drafts, which is I have them above there.
27:01So I get them some, but I definitely acknowledge that it could just suddenly come crashing to a halt.
27:07And if it does, it's going to be easy to say, well, there were breadcrumbs and Harris was dumb and didn't listen to them.
27:14Yeah, this is one where I'm on the other side.
27:17It sounds like you're kind of in. I'm probably following those breadcrumbs more, so I have him ranked pretty low.
27:23The Pat Bryant stuff, especially in addition to obviously the Waddle stuff.
27:27But in the preseason, they were playing Sutton with the first team.
27:31They were throwing to him just like normal, the same old role as always.
27:35I guess I'm a little concerned that, you know, he's getting a little bit long in the tooth.
27:40He's not old or anything, but that he's going to kind of start to get phased out a little more where he's
27:47been sort of the clear number one the last couple of years in routes and some of those things.
27:53But Peyton likes to do the rotational stuff. We talked about it at running back.
27:57And my concern is that, you know, Waddle and Brian and some of those guys will make it more rotational this year.
28:04So it'll certainly be an interesting one. Wide receiver 10 two years ago, wide receiver 12 last year.
28:10And he goes as wide receiver 30-something now. And I'm willing to take the chance.
28:14You know, again, I don't need him as a fantasy starter.
28:17Borderline, you know, 90. If you pick him at 90, that might be a flex for you, but maybe not too.
28:24So I'm still in, but completely understand what could go wrong.
28:27Who would be number three on this list for you?
28:30So this is one where I'm going to grab a couple names and cheat.
28:35But my headline name will be Keaton Mitchell. I've been pretty in on him.
28:39People that have been reading my work know that I've been in on him.
28:43He only had like 59 carries last year. And if you look at the NFL Pro database with their player tracking stuff,
28:50they have a stat for how often players hit 15-plus miles per hour and hit 20-plus miles per hour as ball carriers.
28:56He hit 20-plus miles per hour, a league leading, I believe it was seven times on the 59 carries.
29:02And that's not like as a percentage. That's raw amount of times that he hit that number.
29:07So behind him were Jonathan Taylor and Jameer Gibbs tied at six.
29:11And then I think Devon Achan, who he's often compared to, was at five.
29:15Those guys had hundreds of carries. So it's kind of just a little interesting stat on him.
29:20If you go back to his East Carolina days, he actually was able to carry the workload a little bit.
29:27But the big thing for me is kind of the Achan pattern matching under Mike McDaniel, where McDaniel threw to Achan a
29:33lot, used him in space as maybe just the most obsessed with speed coach there is.
29:38And maybe the best coordinator at utilizing speed in space.
29:41So I've thought that he might have a plan for him.
29:44We've seen some camp videos where they've used him as like a, they've been throwing deep to him.
29:50They've used him as like a vertical, like split him out wide and then just have him run a go route when
29:57they put a linebacker out there and then throw him a bomb.
30:00But he got banged up. And so part of the reason I would say that this is a group one is I'm
30:07also going to throw in Jonathan Brooks, Marshawn Lloyd, two other guys that I'm probably too high on for health related reasons.
30:14Those guys also have really intriguing profiles to me from like a longer view perspective.
30:18Brooks and Lloyd both had really good prospect profiles and Mitchell's was underrated.
30:22And I think he's, he's not just all flash.
30:25I think there's more to Mitchell than people realize, but he's had a hard time standing healthy the last couple of years.
30:32And then obviously Brooks and Lloyd have too. And so there's these three kind of high upside efficiency backs, really intriguing profiles
30:38to me that I'm drafting, but I'm also like, what are the odds that all three of these guys play a full healthy season?
30:46It seems low. What are the odds that, that one of them stays healthy for the whole season?
30:51It still seems pretty low. So I'm, I'm definitely worried that I'm bypassing some injury risk at a position that has had
30:58lower injury rates in the last few years as hip drop tackles.
31:01And some of those things have been out of the, out of the game.
31:06Maybe these guys can stay healthy now, but that's probably where I'm going to be wrong.
31:11I mean, so people are rolling their eyes cause they know how I feel about Keaton Mitchell.
31:16He's a flag player. That's a good thing on this show.
31:19Um, he, I picked basically 10 players at various spots in the draft whose ADP I think is too low.
31:25And I say, these are the guys I'm making a stand on, planning a flag on saying they're good.
31:31And Keaton Mitchell, it makes the list this year.
31:34And he's been a favorite of mine for a long time.
31:37I fully agree what he looks like on film is awesome.
31:40And he's also of the three backs you mentioned, like by far the cheapest, which is terrific because I mean, I, I
31:47grant you the ceiling for a player like Lloyd, a player like Brooks, bigger players.
31:52It is higher because they can just be suddenly they get hot.
31:55They work out. We've never really seen them play.
31:58Suddenly they are a team's bell cow 300 touch back and probably Keaton Mitchell, maybe never going to be that.
32:04But, uh, like you said, you know, you're the, we suspect the chargers could have a good offense that sometimes is wrong.
32:11We don't always predict that great, but if it, if they do, and Mike McDaniel gets it, gets it humming, getting pieces
32:17of it ancillary or only quasi ancillary is awesome policy.
32:21And then, you know, this dude in particular is just a home run hitter.
32:25And as a flex, he's like a dream, you know, get, if he's, if he hits his ceiling and stays healthy six
32:31times a year, he could win you a game because he just makes an 80 yard play like that is not on the table for Marshawn Lloyd probably.
32:40So, um, yeah, I'm, I, I, I almost wonder like, you can't really be that scared about the investment needed to get Mitchell.
32:47Cause he's, he goes so late. Yeah. I mean, it's more just the amount of teams that have taken him on.
32:53I feel like if something does happen bad to a season, there's yeah.
32:57Yeah. There's a hole there. I, I I'm yeah.
33:00I'm just worried. I'm just worried because I haven't ranked really aggressively and a lot of the ceiling signal subscribers are going
33:07to be drafting him and he's not a big back and it's really just an injury related thing, but I'm glad to
33:13hear that you're, you know, he's a flag plant player for you too.
33:17And we're on the same page there that I was smiling as you were saying that I, I just think it's fairly
33:24straightforward that if he stays healthy and he's a part of the offense, he's going to be a pretty impactful player at his cost.
33:31Like you said. Yeah. He, he like, yeah, if he's healthy and we, and, and like gets as involved as we hope,
33:38because finally a team has kind of actively chosen him as opposed to, and like give the Ravens credit, you know, he's hurt a ton.
33:46And the end of last year, he was the backup justice Hill was hurt and wasn't playing anyway.
33:51And so, but, but, you know, a team has aggressively gone out and said, we want this player.
33:57The interesting questions is what to do with the Lloyd and Brooks and Brooks has the complication of Chuba Hubbard.
34:03Obviously that's something that we're just simply not going to know the mix until we know, but Hubbard did get hurt in
34:09training camp and is in a race to get to week one.
34:13Lloyd, you know, it is all out in front for Lloyd.
34:16I, you know, who knows, it's hard. Don't even know if he's any good kind of like you liked him as a prospect.
34:23That's cool. Chris Brooks is, you know, nice, reliable player.
34:26And I wouldn't be shocked if Chris Brooks is very involved, at least to begin, because it seems like he's, he's the big veteran in the room, right?
34:35But he's the, he's, he can settle it down.
34:38He's very good in pass protection. And then Caleb Johnson, we think stinks, but who knows?
34:43I'm certainly ranking Lloyd ahead of those guys almost for the unknown of it.
34:47And, and he could be a league winning type player and you are starting to have to really pay real draft capital to get them too.
34:55Right. Sorry, I was muted. Yes. Yeah. He's going like into like the round seven and eight range in some of these drafts.
35:02Yeah, that's expensive. All right. My number three is I'm not in on him and I have never been in on him, but what if Marv Jr.
35:10is for real this time? Once again, if you choose to be in on Marvin Harrison, you tell your, you will wind
35:17up telling yourself the story that it was a bad play caller.
35:20It was a bad coaching staff. He himself was unbelievably snake bitten right before he finally was looking like he was good.
35:27His appendix becomes a problem and he has to miss a month for that.
35:31And then both of his heels go bad last year.
35:34And if he's suddenly the player that everybody thought he was when he was generational two years ago, uh, then I'm completely missing out.
35:42And he's, you know, that, that profile of the player that he was supposed to be is like a potential 1800 yard
35:48receiver, a dude who will break fantasy leagues. And if I'm missing out on that because of like my stubborn, I'll say
35:55my stubborn adherence to what he's actually looked like on film so far, um, then I'm going to miss a potential league breaking player.
36:02You know, I'm ranking Michael Wilson ahead of him by, uh, but they're next to each other, my ranks, but Michael Wilson doesn't have 1800 upside.
36:10And so it may just be foolish that I'm not giving Harrison a chance, like figuring into his probability matrix, the pot,
36:17the, the X percent chance that the first two years are kind of like, just throw them away.
36:22And now he will be a focal point and he has upside to be the best receiver in the league.
36:28I haven't seen it yet. Doesn't mean it's impossible, but my rank is sort of indicating it's not possible.
36:34I agree with, and I'm playing it the same as essentially everything you've just said.
36:39We were a lot more agreement on, on this show and this year than, than maybe we have been in the past,
36:45but I moved Wilson ahead of him after the first or the second preseason game.
36:50Their first one was the hall of fame game, but they got the first team out there and Wilson Harrison caught a touchdown in that game.
36:58And I saw that as the big headline, but I go and watch all the preseason games too.
37:03You talked about how we both really like to actually watch the games and something that we've always enjoyed talking about.
37:10It's pretty important. He did catch a TD. He did look pretty good on that play on that drive.
37:16Wilson had two really easy catches. One was the kind of sprint out.
37:20Cause he comes in and he inserts as the blocker in that Rams scheme, you know, the floor comes over from McVay.
37:26They've said that he's going to play sort of Wilson, the Puka slash, you know, previously Cooper cup role.
37:32And so he will motion in and inside the line insert as a blocker.
37:36And, and then off of that, they'll have emotion in and then run straight to the flat and do that kind of sprint out easy catch play.
37:45They've done with the Rams a million times. You've seen Puka do it.
37:48You've seen cup do it. Wilson had a catch like that on the first drive, had another catch.
37:54And I was like, Oh, he's going to play that role.
37:57And one of like you, you'll, you'll know, you'll know this too.
38:01Obviously when you actually watch the games, you see how those easy plays compile over a season and that's how you get
38:08the production for fantasy Harrison stuff has been hard to this point in his career.
38:12It's been on the outside, on the perimeter, down the field.
38:16It's. And then when you watch him like, but I'm right with you, like the profile collegiate profile was really good.
38:22Top five draft capital pedigree, obviously his dad. I mean, everything you can put there and he hasn't been good the first
38:29couple of years, but he hasn't been horrible statistically necessarily.
38:32He's been bad relative to expectations, but like, for example, he had similar yards per game the last two years that lad McConkie had last year.
38:40I had a better rookie year, but they're both year three guys and Harrison had way more draft capital and stuff.
38:46So it's interesting to think about their ADP gap from that perspective.
38:50They both were about 50 yards per game last year, but watching Harrison, it's, as you said, I just don't see it.
38:56I don't see. player sometimes. And on paper, the profile is really good, but I can't buy it because of what I've watched.
39:03And I'm just like, I don't think he's great.
39:06And then the Wilson side of it, as I was laying, you know, laying out, it actually looks like a really good
39:13fit for this offense and getting a lot of that easy work.
39:16And like you said, he's not going to be a 1800 yard receiver, but I think he's going to compile plenty of, you know, easy, cheap catches.
39:25And so I ended up moving him ahead. I think there's a higher floor with Wilson, maybe not as high of a ceiling as you were laying out.
39:33But anyway, I agree completely. I sort of just restated it all, but I'm right there with you.
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40:50That's F-I-T-B-O-D.me slash Harris. FitBod.me slash Harris. We are back with Ben and we've got a few more names to get to
40:56on players we could be wrong about. Who's your number two, Ben?
41:00I'm going to do Javante Williams. I'm worried I'm a little bit low on him.
41:05I've had him as a fade profile. My buddy JJ Zachariasen did some great work last offseason about dead zone running backs,
41:11which is something that I've written about in the past and talked a lot about over the years and researched a lot.
41:18But what JJ found was that guys who had really poor receiving efficiency in that range tended to be pretty big busts year over year.
41:26Like if they're still getting drafted there, but the year prior, they had like a really bad yards per out run.
41:32And Javante Williams yards per out run last year was horribly low.
41:36I don't have the number in front of me, but it was like below 0.5 yards per out run.
41:41And yet, number one, he may not even be considered a dead zone back right now because his ADP is just climbing.
41:48It's in the third round. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's kind of historically been like the break point somewhere in the third round.
41:55And then number two, they cut Jaden blue. They cut film off.
41:59They only have Malik Davis as a backup. They did claim Emery Demercato probably to play on pass downs a little bit,
42:06but Javante is going to get all of the rushing work.
42:09This is a great offense. It's in fantasy. I think touchdowns are more important now than they used to be because we
42:16did see that from a league wide trend perspective last year where yardage was down, but points were back up.
42:22Some of that was because of like the new kickoff rules and stuff.
42:26Teams are more willing to go for it on fourth down instead of kicking field goals in the short field goal areas.
42:33And so it's more about like getting, getting those touchdowns on those drives.
42:37And so we actually saw touchdowns come back up relative to recent seasons while yardage actually went back down.
42:42And so a guy like Javante, who's the clear lead back in a really good offense, it's going to score points and get into scoring position.
42:50I mean, he's probably going to score 12, 14 touchdowns.
42:53I have him as this sort of dead zone back ish profile, not necessarily even where he's getting drafted.
42:59And I'm just, I'm a little bit worried that I'm missing the force for the trees here where like, this is the
43:06lead back with no competition on a really good offense.
43:09Yeah. Hey, we found we're on the opposite sides of her.
43:12Hooray. But I understand where you're coming from. And Pat Doherty had, he came on last Monday.
43:17Where was I? I was in, I think I was in Seattle.
43:21And we recorded that show and he had Javante as a bust.
43:25And of course, it was eight days ago and he was like, watch out for Jaden Blue.
43:30So, you know, that unfortunately didn't age well, but I get it.
43:33I understand where you're coming from. When running backs have receiving as an out, we like multiple outs.
43:39You know, they need to be able to do both, but it helps when you can do both.
43:44And Javante apparently isn't trusted or super great at figuring out how to catch a screen pass.
43:50So, unless that changes, there is a little scary trap door there where, cool, I need your touchdowns and I need a lot of rushing yards.
43:57And a lot of times, a lot of carries means increased exposure to injury.
44:02And it's really scary for your third round pick to get hurt.
44:05So, even though I'm on the other side, of course I understand your logic and where you're coming from.
44:11I'm on the side of, I've always liked Javante.
44:14I think he's a good, not great running back.
44:17And you're right, like it's one of the few offenses we trust and like he himself has a heck of a lot
44:23of runway in terms of a new contract and not a ton of depth chart issues.
44:28I'll do another running back. I don't think I'm like out of step with the market on Brees Hall, but I don't think either me or the market.
44:37And the groin injury from August probably kind of put the damper on this.
44:41Like you just have to worry that that can recur and it has to be a part of your equation.
44:47But I love Brees Hall. I think he's a terrific player.
44:50Wish he wasn't with the New York Jets. But maybe once again, like I said with Marvin Harrison, maybe I'm not giving
44:57him enough credit for the possibility of finally having the true explosion season.
45:01Because, you know, yeah, ha ha ha, it's funny for all of us to go, well, it's the Jets.
45:07They'll never figure it out. But what if they figured it out?
45:10Because like it should be a really good offensive line.
45:14And Gino stinks, but like should at least give a veneer of professionalism.
45:17And what if just they can get the run game going?
45:21Because if Brees were in a positive environment, I'm not giving him credit for it.
45:25But if he were, I think we all think he would be truly a great player.
45:30Like he is, he's terrific. One of the 10 best running backs in the league, I think.
45:35And so the market's not really taking the cheese.
45:38I'm not really taking the cheese. But it's like, I'm not saying don't draft him at his price.
45:44I think it's probably right about a fair price.
45:46But maybe just none of us, all of us are letting the Jetsiness of it get, you know, blind us to the possibility that they fix some stuff.
45:55I am pretty into Brees. I, you know, I went through my projections process.
45:59I, I'm very concerned about the Jets. At the same time, I was shocked to learn that Brees Hall has never had
46:06more than five rushing touchdowns in a season. And he's had, and I was also, there's no reason for that to be
46:13sorry to interrupt, but that like, that's just random.
46:15Yeah. Yeah. It's so, it's crazy. Even if you're on the Jets, five rushing TDs.
46:20And so the other part of that, that's crazy is the last, the other thing that kind of shocked me is the
46:27last three years, which is his whole healthy career.
46:29His rookie season, he was off to a really good start.
46:33And then he tore his ACL and like, I think after seven games and then year two, year three and year four,
46:39he's had over 1,350 yards from scrimmage every year in this Jets offense.
46:43And I guess I wouldn't have guessed that he's had some lingering health related things.
46:48I feel like over the last few years. And then the Jets have just been so bad that for him to have
46:551,350 yard seasons and those kinds of offenses three years running, it speaks to, you know, you were saying you're, you're, you like him.
47:02You think he's good. You, you watch the games.
47:05He's, he is a talented player. His receiving was way down last year because Justin Fields doesn't really check down.
47:11He's going to hold the ball until he takes a sack or scrambles or find something down the field.
47:16But his receiving the two prior years was really good as well.
47:20And so he had some better fantasy years when he caught some touchdowns and, and, and had more receptions overall.
47:26I think that's possibly going to rebound a little bit with Geno Smith, the receiving side.
47:31And then, yeah, just kind of the fact that he's been a player that I've always liked.
47:36I was really into him earlier in his career, including the rookie year where he got hurt.
47:41And then I actually had a lot of him in the second season coming off the injury.
47:47Cause I thought he was discounted too far. And that obviously was, was a fortunate one and worked out well.
47:53Cause he had a great season. That second year is his best year.
47:57He hasn't been as good the last couple of years.
48:00And he was going really high the third season and then back down a little bit last year.
48:05And it hasn't been great because of the jets offenses.
48:08I guess I'm too optimistic about the jets is really like where I come in.
48:13It's like now that they have Kenyon Sadiq, this absolutely freak tight end.
48:17And I actually think Mason Taylor's are really intriguing year two tight end.
48:21And then they drafted Omar Cooper and the Adnanai Mitchell can get open opposite Garrett Wilson.
48:25If Garrett Wilson can stay healthy, I think they have so much more skill talent that they've had for years.
48:32And I know I like anyone who's listening. That's like a jets fans probably like, yeah, same old jets.
48:37Like everyone tells us this every year. I actually think the offense could be kind of decent this year.
48:43Both their tackles are recent first round picks. There's like some optimism, not optimism, but like the offensive line could be okay.
48:50I don't think Gino's like amazing, but I think he's a good fit for the receivers.
48:55Cause he's more of a one read guy last year.
48:58He didn't have guys that could really get open with Brock Bowers hurt, but Garrett Wilson gets open.
49:03Like he can stare down Garrett Wilson until Garrett Wilson gets open.
49:07He likes to put a little flare into his routes, but he creates separation.
49:11And so does Adnanai Mitchell. And I think those guys are going to create throwing lanes for Gino on his first reads.
49:18I think Gino gets into trouble when he has to progress and get deeper into his reads.
49:23Um, and so I think the offense, the passing offense might be a little bit, but I'm worried about Frank Reich.
49:29Honestly, I liked him back in the Colts days, but he struggled with the Panthers and maybe the games passed him by
49:36a little bit as a coordinator, but I'm too into this offense.
49:40I know that I'm too into this offense because I really had to Garrett Wilson too, but I'm kind of excited about the jet.
49:47Sorry. Where do you take him? I take him, I take him like right before Javante.
49:52I'd like to like to get him in round three, but in spots where a lot of running backs have gone, I've
49:59taken him in late round two, even pretty, I'm pretty high on him.
50:03Yeah, it can work. I mean, he's a dude like he is a, in my mind, talent wise, he is a bigger,
50:09a bigger play threat than Javante Williams. And if he were in, if they were in identical situations, I would give Brees Hall the nod.
50:17He, he's a potential league winning player in a way.
50:20Javante is probably much more like he hits doubles, you know, good, really good, but not the same kind of player.
50:26And, and third is about where Hall goes mid third.
50:29And so, yeah, I, if somebody was, if you're aggressive and you're like, now when I pick late second, I like Brees Hall.
50:36I completely understand there's risk, but I completely, completely understand.
50:39Um, yeah, that, all right, go ahead. Oh yeah.
50:42I'll do my fifth, but yeah, I was just going to say the tears at some of the other positions are kind of flat there.
50:50So sometimes I like to get Hall cause he's my favorite of the last kind of group of running back.
50:56And then in the early third, I feel comfortable about what receiver comes or whatever.
51:00I mean, um, it's, it's crazy how many receivers there are.
51:04There's 50 guys that could be in the top 10.
51:07Like there's, you know, so I'm with you. Like receiver is so flat.
51:11Your number one player you might be wrong about.
51:13And I'm going to say one that I'm maybe too high on.
51:17It's Jamison Williams. Uh, I've been really excited about him.
51:20He's a, he's another flag player, another flag player.
51:23Oh, oh, oh, there you go. So you're very amazing.
51:26I thought you were going to say you're out.
51:29The lions offense feels like it's going to be so concentrated.
51:32It's fascinating to me. I think they only kept four receivers at cut down.
51:36If I'm not mistaken, uh, they kept like more tight ends, I think than, than receivers.
51:41Uh, yeah, that's correct. There wasn't more tight ends is incorrect.
51:44They kept, uh, more running backs. They kept five running backs and only four receivers.
51:49They, they kept the fewest number of receivers in the league.
51:52And in part, this is because they drafted incredibly well from 2021 to 2023.
51:57Three, they that's when they hit Gibbs and Jamison Alman raw was in the front side of that.
52:02Penny Sewell, Aiden Hutchinson, Jack Campbell, a lot of their defenders.
52:05And they've extended all these players, including Jamison, who they gave a bunch of money to.
52:10And, and Jared Goff has a big quarterback contract.
52:13And so now you have your core hitting its prime and its second contract.
52:17And, and the contracts reflect that and all of their off season additions.
52:21They let David Montgomery go. They let Khalif Raymond go.
52:24They're role players, all their off season additions. Isaiah Pacheco, they brought in, um, um, unclean who they ended up cutting.
52:31They brought in Greg Dortch and Cedric Wilson. They ended up cutting these guys.
52:35They were all one year deals for 2 million or less maximum value.
52:39They, they cut some of them already. Um, Teddy Bridgewater ended up retiring.
52:43They signed Josh Dobbs with their backup quarterback. He has a very similar short-term one year, cheap, cheap deal.
52:49They're basically telling us, look, we have so much money tied up in this core.
52:53We're going to play all these guys a ton.
52:56It's going to be one of the most concentrated offenses in the league.
53:00And then they have some injuries on defense. And like, I think they're actually going to be in a lot of shootouts
53:07and, and, you know, doing, you know, one of the most fun offenses in the league, which they kind of always are,
53:13you know, Dan Campbell will be aggressive and all of that.
53:17So part of why I think I might be wrong on Jamison is I think that part of it is right.
53:23I think Jameer Gibbs could have the like defining season of this like decade this year.
53:28And I think Alvin Ross St. Brown could just be, you know, absolutely nuclear.
53:32And I think Sam Laporta maybe is the one that I'm not drafting enough as like that third piece.
53:38And then Jamison gets lost a little. I don't think that's going to happen though.
53:42I'm really, really high on Jamison. He ran 600 routes last year by PFF the year prior.
53:48He was at about 475. And prior to that, he hadn't run really any of the first couple of years because of
53:54coming off the ACL and suspension and all that.
53:57But the fact that we finally got a full route share last year, he was fifth in the NFL in routes.
54:03He's not just a deep threat. He has a lower ADOT that uses speed horizontally.
54:08If you watch the games like we do, he's a really good ball in hand.
54:13Like his yak per reception is really good, which you see on paper when they use him horizontally, a lot of catch and run stuff.
54:20So he's the potential to be a lot more, I think, than he's been.
54:24I think because he's a fifth year player, people don't think of fifth year breakouts.
54:29But last year was the first year he really ran big routes and late in the season.
54:34It was really coming together. Some of his strongest target volume of his career.
54:38He had multiple games, eight plus targets, and he really had none in his career up until the second half of last year.
54:45I know Laporta was hurt, but again, I think this offense is going to be really concentrated.
54:51They've talked him up a bunch. So anyway, I'm telling all the reasons that I'm in on him.
54:56He's going to run block. They talked about that.
54:59They're going to keep him out there. The concern is that it's the other guys in the office.
55:04Yeah, the concern is anybody who wants to be a Jameson Williams doubter gets to say, cool, cool.
55:10That all happened when Sam Laporta was hurt. If it doesn't work out for you and me, because I'm on the same
55:16side of it as you are, then we're going to go, okay, whoops.
55:20It turns out that all the fun, interesting things they had Williams doing once Laporta was out was not the plan if Laporta was healthy.
55:28Now he's just once again running wind sprints and getting a few deep balls a game.
55:33And he'll make plays. He'll still probably have a thousand yard season, but it'll just be so up and down that it'll tear our hair out.
55:41But that is not how I'm playing it. I'm with you.
55:44Do you have I have Jameson Williams in my top 20 receivers?
55:48You? I do. Yeah, I have a wide receiver 19.
55:51Yeah, I'm 17 in the standard 19 and a PPR.
55:54So we are on the same side of that.
55:57We're going to suffer together. We're going to glory together.
56:00My last one, we actually we don't need to spend that much time on my last one because we kind of did it.
56:07It was going to be what if there's a clear answer for the Packers at running back?
56:12Because I'm just not really ranking it that way.
56:15But if it's Marshawn Lloyd, I'm just too low.
56:17You know, I feel like I forgot that that was my one.
56:21So I kind of already sort of already gave that argument.
56:24Did I ask you where you where you have Lloyd ranked?
56:28Like what round you'd be willing to take him in?
56:31Yeah, I have him ranked right around where I said he was going around probably round seven, round eight.
56:36I have him RB 27. Okay, so so not I have him 31, but my RBs tend to be a little higher.
56:43He's like 71 overall for me standard 86 PPR.
56:46So that's that's probably about where the market is right now.
56:49Yeah, I'm looking at some like high stakes ADP right now because I just happen to have it in front of me
56:56and in the high stakes places, which tend to be a little more aggressive on guys like this.
57:01He's been in the last few days, RB 29 or 31 at the two sites.
57:06So really, really close to where you're ranking. I think in like, you know, more casual leagues or home leagues, like he's
57:13more likely to probably go a little a little bit lower, I would guess, because these risers really get they get they
57:19get frothy in the high stakes streets out there.
57:22So I think you're you're probably in a pretty I think I'm ahead of market and I think you're probably right around where ADP is sitting.
57:30Yeah, I and I think probably this weekend the news will have been filtered down to the to the to Uncle Joe
57:37and Aunt Mary who you're drafting with and maybe somebody it only takes one person to go.
57:42Sure. What the heck? It's the sixth round. I'm not going to go wrong.
57:46Sure. I'll take him. It's the fifth round. Sure.
57:49Like and and my point in putting him on this list is that could be right.
57:54It could be right that like we're messing it up.
57:57Josh Jacobs is going to be done completely done.
58:00Who knows? We don't know. But like he might be might not play at all this year.
58:05And Lloyd, if that's the case, Lloyd has the opportunity of his lifetime.
58:09This he has to take advantage of this and he's shown no possibility of staying healthy.
58:13And we really don't know if he can play in the NFL.
58:17So it's this weird like airplane black box that is just sitting there on the Packers field and we go, cool.
58:24Do I spend a fourth round pick on him?
58:26Because if he works out, he's very much worth it.
58:29Totally. I do have to mention before we go, I was looking at your show sheet when you when you sent it
58:36to me and you had the list of the ones we had last year.
58:40And it's funny because I think you did this last year.
58:44You sent the one prior. And so I have Xavier Worthy on it the year prior.
58:48The last year, this year's show sheet says Ben is in again.
58:52So it's referencing that I was in the last time I've done this show with you multiple times.
58:58I've been in on Xavier Worthy multiple times, but concerned that I was too high on him.
59:03That concern has been valid the last couple of years.
59:06He's now so cheap, Chris, that I don't even I don't even have him on the list, but I am still trusting him.
59:13You're in again. You're in again, but he's but he's free.
59:16Yeah. Yeah. He's so cheap that I don't even have to say that I'm not worried about it.
59:22I mean, somebody's got to catch passes for the Chiefs.
59:25No one seems to be drafting any of them.
59:27Everyone's worried about Rishi Rice and Travis Kelsey. He's going to turn 37.
59:31Yeah. People are drafting Rishi Rice. Let me tell you.
59:34I just did a draft. He went the second round.
59:37I was like, whoa, that is OK. That's a choice.
59:40All right, Ben. Well, great job. Thank you for doing this again this year.
59:45It was a really great, fun conversation. You can find Ben all over social media.
59:49Just look up Ben Gretsch, G-R-E-T-C-H. And subscribe to the Stealing Signals newsletter.
59:53You're a great friend. Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it.
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61:12We're going to be doing the movie draft and then I've got a fantasy topic picked out for us as well.
61:18And remember, if you're a Yacht Clubber, the Sunday live streams start a week from Sunday.
61:23And if you are a subscriber to the Yacht Club show, you get to come to a live stream right before kickoff on Sundays.
61:30You can ask us questions via the live streams that happen.
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61:40So you can ask us lineup questions, etc. It's fun to hang out that hour before kickoff.
61:45So join the Yacht Club if you would like to partake in that.
61:49And then we'll all meet back here on Thursday.
61:52It's going to be a total request episode. Denny Carter from Roto World will join like he usually does this time of year.
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62:36I appreciate all your support. I am filled with angst right now.
62:39And so I'm going to go calm down. I'm going to do a couple other podcasts today.
62:45I'm doing some Roto World time with Denny and Pat Doherty.
62:48I'll be on that show. And then I'll be on with Dave Kluge on a football guy show today as well.
62:54So you'll get to hear those if you like.
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