0:00Football is back and that means it's time for the Dynasty Points Weekly Rookie Report.
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0:13It's Dynasty Points and it starts right now. Hello everybody, welcome back to Dynasty Points.
0:19If you're new here, thanks for joining us. Grab a chair, sit back, relax.
0:23We're talking rookies after the first real wave of football for the NFL preseason week one.
0:29There's so much news happening at all times, consistent updates.
0:32We're here to focus on the rookies, who's moving up, who's moving down, how to keep track of these things, what does
0:39some of this stuff actually mean, what to really watch for in the preseason, and how to let it affect or not affect your decision-making process.
0:48Joining me as always, Jacob Sanderson, Ryan Heath, we have a fun jam-packed show for you guys today.
0:54Let's not waste any time and dive right in.
0:57We are starting off with probably one of the more bizarre stories so far of the preseason.
1:03The Cardinals were really set on giving Jeremiah Love a real workload through news leading up to game one.
1:09Now we have a high ankle sprain, and then I saw a very interesting quote, let's say, that said he won't require
1:17surgery, which I thought was a very interesting thing to kind of highlight and make a point of.
1:23Love, I'll send it over to Jacob because I know you've just been writing up a storm about reactions.
1:29What was your initial thought here with Love? How are we approaching it moving forward?
1:34Yeah, it's an interesting one where we kind of got this drip, drip, drip of news.
1:40It went from initially everybody watched that preseason game and, you know, I think thought it was weird that Love got so
1:47many touches, but mostly I thought he looked pretty great.
1:50And I think we're pretty excited about the role that he had kind of even while the starters were there compared to Algier.
1:58And there's a lot of excitement. And then it kind of comes out late in that game.
2:04Oh, yeah, he hurt his ankle a little bit, but he could have kept playing.
2:09You know, we just decided we've seen enough. No big deal.
2:13And then all of a sudden, it's he's a little bit more sore than we thought.
2:18I'm not going to say what kind of ankle sprain it was.
2:22You know, then it comes out. It's a high ankle sprain.
2:26I'm probably not as panicked about this as most people are.
2:30Like, I know some people are really dooming and glooming about this.
2:34So it's a high ankle sprain, which is on average a three to four week injury for running backs with a potential
2:41extra two to three weeks of performance docs. Once you return, he suffered this injury.
2:46I believe it was August 13th, if I'm if I'm correct in that, maybe August 14th.
2:51Anyway, so that gives him an entire month just over four weeks before their first game.
2:57I would be legitimately very surprised if he was not active week one.
3:01I think that it is entirely plausible that for like two weeks, maybe three weeks, we're seeing a 10 to 20% snap
3:09share difference from what he probably would have had otherwise.
3:12And that by the time you get into October, we're more or less exactly as planned.
3:17Obviously, there's some degree of question exactly how I have a snap share he'll have anyways this year where opinions may vary.
3:25But I remain pretty optimistic about Jeremiah Love's rookie season for dynasty.
3:29I couldn't I quite couldn't I quite literally could not care less about, you know, whether there's a slight reduction in his
3:36efficiency or workload for the first two weeks of his career.
3:40So I would be stunned if he actually has seen a meaningful dynasty value decrease over this or if you could get
3:47a deal for him that you couldn't have gotten a week ago.
3:51But like even from a seasonal perspective, I've seen some people say he's like completely off the board in the third round.
3:59I think that's pretty nuts. For a third overall pick running back, I can't come up with any other example of a
4:06running back with this level of draft capital who we weren't taking at any point in the top three rounds in a
4:14redraft setting, or any recent example of that who even would have failed, regardless of where they were actually selected.
4:20So I probably think people have been overreacting to this one slightly.
4:24Yeah, I still have Jeremiah Love ranked solidly in the middle of my third round in my redraft rankings, which I just
4:32published a ton of updates to over on fantasypoints.com.
4:35Ryan Heats 2026 fantasy football rankings and targets been updating that periodically.
4:39And yeah, I had largely similar thoughts to what Jacob just laid out in that kind of already if you were drafting
4:46Love for anything in seasonal, you should have expected that early in the season, the workload might not be quite up to
4:54where it could be post September just because of how rookies are sometimes eased into the NFL.
4:59But I don't see a reason to think that that's going to linger beyond September unless there's like a really unfortunate reaggravation of his ankle.
5:08Jeff Muller, our injury expert here at Fantasy Points, also does not seem that concerned about this impacting him beyond September.
5:15He has it at about a 25% production decline for up to a month after a running back returns to play from a high ankle sprain.
5:24That pretty much just lines up with how you should have been building Jeremiah Love teams anyway.
5:29And yeah, I would echo that in Dynasty, this does not matter to me at all.
5:35The only, I guess, kind of caveat or reason I would say maybe you don't send the offers all out now is
5:42maybe you send the offers out after week one if he only gets 10 to 12 touches or something and people are more panicked then.
5:51But yeah, either way, I'm not really panicking or updating my opinion on Love in a negative direction.
5:57Pretty much no matter what happens short of a re-injury between now and October 1st.
6:02I think a lot of the conversation in Dynasty is just going to be centered around, well, they were right to sign Algier to that money.
6:11And it's right for them not to cut James Conner if such and such player is already getting hurt to start his career.
6:18He's a running back. You can already kind of see that conversation and where it's going.
6:24I know we talked about the potential of them moving off one of the veteran running backs.
6:29Now with the injury, does it make it less likely?
6:33It's going to be interesting to see how it works out.
6:37But I definitely largely agree. I think we're just reacting this heavily to something because it's really the first kind of big
6:44injury news, I guess, of our season and seemed a little bit unnecessary.
6:48But I don't think Love is the type of player we even needed to see much of in the preseason anyway.
6:55So it just feels like maybe a little bit of a selfish play anyway to make sure he gets that many touches.
7:03But, I mean, hey, we already got Adrian Peterson comparisons.
7:06I mean, you can't – you're still buying as much as possible.
7:10And I don't think that the buy low while he's hurt thing, we talked about that a lot and we do talk about it a lot.
7:19It's not real. It's not a real thing. I think that might hit in like week two or week three if somebody's
7:26really, really feeling the need to move off. Speaking of injury news, boy, there's another story that just seems to get bigger and bigger and worse and worse.
7:36It's Jordan Tyson. He just cannot. He cannot catch a break at all.
7:40Let's talk Jordan Tyson. Jacob, where do you want to start here?
7:44Yeah. So, I mean, I just said with Jeremiah Love and you backed up the same perspective, which is that in dynasty
7:52leagues, it's very unlikely that you're going to get a meaningful injury discount at this point.
7:57And, you know, maybe in redraft. Jordan Tyson is a much scarier proposition.
8:01But for that reason, I think is a more realistic opportunity if you want to take advantage of it.
8:08And I think that there's a much wider range of viewpoints on exactly how far they would move Jordan Tyson down based off of this.
8:16So, for anyone who's not keeping up with the news, he suffered a hamstring injury at training camp.
8:22They did evaluation on that. And he's expected to now miss two months.
8:27That means probably a minimum of four to five weeks, more likely six weeks.
8:31I'll also note that the first two games after that first six weeks take place.
8:36One is at MetLife and then one is in Europe.
8:40And that's followed by their bye week. So, if I was to play conservatively, I would guess that the first time we
8:47see Tyson or at least the first time we see Tyson in like a full snap share role this season would be week nine.
8:55So, after their first seven games and then after the bye week.
8:59It's definitely a pretty substantial concern when you have a guy who's had all these different hamstring injuries.
9:05And I know they're saying it's not related. I mean, okay.
9:09I'm not like a doctor. I don't know which part of his hamstring was hurt before.
9:15And now it's a different part of the same hamstring.
9:18Obviously, when you have an injury history that he has, I think it is legitimately fair to say that this is a guy that has serious injury-related concerns.
9:27That doesn't mean, of course, that he's guaranteed to constantly keep getting injured.
9:32We have a history of guys who did have their careers largely go down this path where they just could never stay healthy.
9:39We also have counterexamples. Keenan Allen was a guy who early in his career looked like someone who might never stay healthy.
9:47He's currently going into his age 34 season and just signed a contract the other day.
9:52Obviously, he turned it around. You know, Jonathan Brooks, Marshawn Lloyd, Christian Watson are all guys that everyone is really excited to
10:00draft right now who look like they might be complete injury write-offs at various points in their career.
10:06So it's definitely possible. It's possible even that he has a fantastic second half to his rookie season.
10:12Remember, Odell Beckham Jr. missed, I think, the first six weeks of his rookie season and then went on to set a
10:19gajillion records immediately after coming back onto the field.
10:22So everything is possible. It just comes down to the price.
10:26My personal dynasty rankings, I'm going to move him down kind of from the top of my tier to the bottom of my tier.
10:34I don't expect to change him in tiers in how I rank him.
10:38I think that is a bit of a distinction of how I would rank him versus how I would try to engage in trade conversations for him.
10:47Basically, what I'm not advising people do is to try and trade him away right now sight unseen unless you're getting quite
10:55literally the price that you would have gotten for him in drafts.
10:59I just find it incredibly unlikely that he's going to never play football again.
11:04I think we'll see him at some point on the field this season.
11:08And there will be a lot more excitement for people to go and buy him then if you want to sell than
11:15there is right now in the immediate aftermath of this injury.
11:19If you're trying to buy, I'm trying to target a little bit lower, largely because I expect there to be a wide
11:27range of panic in terms of how people are feeling about him.
11:31I don't know exactly what you could get for him or what you would have to trade for him in your league.
11:38So I currently have him at the top of my 1.25 base ones tier.
11:43I mentioned I'm going to move him down towards the bottom of that tier.
11:47If I look at guys in my late 1 tier, these are all guys that I personally would be comfortable if I had to in a 1-for-1 trade.
11:57In a perfect world, throw out an offer and see if you can get something added on top.
12:03Why not? It's a very wide range of outcomes in terms of what his value could be.
12:09But I would still have him quite solidly ahead of guys like Lad McConkie, ahead of guys like Marvin Harrison Jr., Casey Concepcion, Brian Thomas.
12:17Those would be all guys that I think are legitimately very interesting who I could see someone accepting in a trade.
12:24I don't see the point of me coming on here and telling people to go and lowball for Jordan Tyson by offering,
12:32I don't know, Jaden Reed or Terry McLaurin. I don't understand what kind of a service that provides.
12:38I don't think anyone's accepting that offer. But those names that I put out are like the high end of guys that
12:45if I had to, I'd be willing to trade 1-for-1, try and get access into a guy that I still think, if
12:52healthy, big if, is the most talented wide receiver in the class.
12:57And by all accounts was having a fantastically impressive training camp before, of course, suffering another injury setback.
13:03I'm going to largely echo Jacob's sentiments on this one as well.
13:07In terms of the return timeline, I agree. There's a world where he's smashing in the second half of 2026.
13:13I definitely don't want to write that off. I think it makes sense to have a bigger reaction in redraft than it
13:21does in Dynasty just because of the kind of immediacy of the entire first half of the season kind of projecting differently for the Saints.
13:29But yeah, in Dynasty specifically, I am pretty happy to try to go out and get a Jordan Tyson right now.
13:36I'll even say that probably your best chance of picking up Tyson is a league where somebody drafted him because he was
13:44a consensus top three wide receiver prospect. Maybe that wasn't particularly invested in him in general.
13:49And they had designs on contending this year. I think you could swoop in, especially if you're a rebuilder or if your timeline is not quite as defined.
13:58You can swoop in with guys like T Higgins, Jalen Waddle, AJ Brown.
14:03These would be the types of trades that I think I would start trying to make for like just sending away the older, more immediate producers.
14:12If you are on a rebuilder and picking up a Jordan Tyson would be the way I would try to approach it first.
14:19I would agree with Jacob in terms of the names he listed that if it came down to it, I am fine making those types of swaps.
14:28I would prefer Tyson still to guys like a Mecca Buka.
14:32I would even still take Tyson ahead of a Makai Lemon right now just to add a couple more young guys into the mix.
14:40That's where my rankings going to be when I get to updating my dynasty rankings after I just finished updating my redraft rankings.
14:48That's where I'm going to have Tyson is ahead of all those names.
14:52And I do think there's it's legitimately worth checking in your leagues right now to see if you can acquire him some.
15:00Yeah, you have to know what you're buying. There is definitely downside here, but more than likely we're going to see him
15:07on the field at some point in the second half of the year.
15:12And I tend to think he's going to look pretty good based on how high I was on him as a prospect.
15:19All injury stuff aside. Yeah, he's a prototypical player that when when a dynasty manager sees this kind of history, the torn ACL, MCL, PCL.
15:27That's extreme to as it is the collarbone, which has nothing to do with the legs.
15:33Obviously, the sprained ankle and three separate strained hamstrings.
15:36Somebody is going to go. Oh, no. What did I do?
15:40I went out of this. This is a headache.
15:43I don't want to deal with this already. I'd rather take points on my roster or somebody is going to worry about
15:50being more, you know, a little more liquid in terms of picks.
15:54Right. If they're that type of dynasty managers wants to flip for picks the first sign of trouble.
16:00I think you guys have have described it really well.
16:03He's also the type of this is also the type of news I would use to like flip some.
16:10Look, when the dynasty community really love someone and pick someone, there's there's no stopping them.
16:15And Josh Downs is like the type of player that I would use.
16:20Who's in his preseason hype up ramp up period.
16:23He seems to be one of the guys. He's like one of the type of players that I would I would use
16:30to go and get somebody like Jordan Tyson. Right.
16:33Use some of that extremely good positive vibe stuff to go and get a really good prospect player with a.
16:40Well, we assume is a really bright future. That's maybe a little bit down in terms of the news.
16:46So I don't I don't think you're going to get really a discount, but I think it definitely he's one of those
16:54players that there is an actual opportunity post. Because, again, this injury history is going to scare a lot of people and some way more extreme than others.
17:03I've already seen people willing to drop him just so far down rankings.
17:07I've seen him on overreaction videos, especially if your league mates are into the like tick tock content sphere.
17:14He's it's Jordan Tyson was just sentenced to death.
17:17Right. Tick tock is the overreaction center for content.
17:20And so you just never know. You never know what content your league mates are consuming.
17:25So this can definitely scare them into an extreme type situation.
17:29So, yeah, I just want to the last thing I wanted to stress when you get into the reaction versus overreaction is
17:36that like, yes, a reaction is fair, you know, like more than fair.
17:41It's a legitimately big deal. He's going to miss probably half of his rookie season.
17:46God, that already has an injury history. But to me, where it'd be the overreaction is.
17:51Like, I think that the industry we're going to get into this when we talk about the vets on the live show.
17:59In at least one case. But I think that the industry has a way of pricing some things in.
18:05And then when the thing that was already kind of priced in happens, then acting like it wasn't at all priced in in the first place.
18:14And so what I mean by that with Tyson, obviously, is like, to me, part of the reason why he was not
18:21the consensus wide receiver one in the draft class, why he was like a little bit behind Tate in value or even
18:29with him, why he was very close to lemon in value was a lot of concern about the injury history.
18:35Now, that's obviously already proven to be correct. The people that were concerned about the injury history.
18:41But I guess what I'm trying to stress with that is this is another piece of evidence that does necessitate a legitimate
18:49move down for Jordan Tyson in all formats. You know, especially redraft where he's going to miss half the season.
18:55But it's not like we're taking a guy who had a completely clean bill of health.
19:01And now we're injecting a bunch of injury questions.
19:04Like to me, this was a guy who already had a lot of injury question marks kind of built up into his price.
19:11And then we're adding a little bit more on top of that, obviously, but the big one here.
19:18But I think we should keep in mind that some of this injury risk to me was already priced in with the profile.
19:25Let's move to and I love the note. I don't know which one you guys wrote it.
19:31It says stripling is Randy Moss. And yes, depending on who you talk to, they might be more inclined to agree with you.
19:39He came out and I have some points on this, but I want to let I want to let you, Jacob, kind of take first lead here.
19:48You have kind of converted more on the on the stripling side of things.
19:53You and Ben Gretch have talked about this at great length as well.
19:57And then we also got at 258. We're recording this at 341 per Matt Burroughs.
20:02Mike Evans pulled up three quarters of the way through today's practice with what Kyle Shanahan said was tightness.
20:08It doesn't appear to be. It doesn't appear to be contract related.
20:12Evan watched the rest of practice from the sideline.
20:15I thought the one part of that was a very interesting, random, very note.
20:20But we're talking about a guy that the runway is it's there.
20:24I assume that the contract related part was with regards to Christian McCaffrey because there was rumors that Christian McCaffrey's muscle tightness was a fake contract holdout.
20:33But then Mike Evans is also missing for muscle tightness.
20:37So we have a double muscle tightness watch. Anyway, Mike Evans just signed a contract.
20:42So I don't think his would be contract related.
20:45I didn't know that the McCaffrey thing. Yeah, there were some rumors that maybe McCaffrey wants an extension and so he's faking muscle tightness.
20:53But then they came out and they were like, no, he actually has muscle tightness.
20:58Anyways, the Stribbler. I mean, it's a great offseason to be Dejan Stribbling.
21:02I mean, everything has gone his way. He pierced all out for the year.
21:07They signed Debo, so maybe that's not great. But then Christian McCaffrey has been out with muscle tightness as has seemingly every
21:14other running back on their roster been out. So Debo apparently is playing more running back than receiver right now at camp.
21:22Mike Evans has been missing time consistently. Ryan talks all the time.
21:26He makes a wise point about how some injuries seem to make a big difference in people's ADP and others don't.
21:33Mike Evans just barely practiced for like three weeks.
21:36Nobody cares. ADP hasn't moved down at all. It's nothing to look at here.
21:41He's only 33. Anyways, no one cares. So that so but yeah, it's a it's a massive opportunity for Dejan Stribbling to
21:48be like, I don't know if Mike Evans is not at full speed this season.
21:53And we know what's going on with George Kittle.
21:56Like he could potentially be the number one passing game target or at least the number two behind Christian McCaffrey early in the season.
22:04And that's a pretty incredible runway in an offense.
22:07It's proven capable of kind of manufacturing targets for everyone.
22:11Like I still have a really hard time with the college profile.
22:15Like I'm going to probably need to see like a sustained stretch of NFL games to ever get in and like like
22:22or sorry not to get in but like to get fully past that.
22:27I might need to see even more of that like depending on how much he steams up in the offseason if he ends up having an amazing season.
22:36But as for short term, like yeah, he looks like a pretty big rocket ship right now.
22:42And I think that the big difference in kind of his outlook now versus even when he was drafted is there's no
22:49doubt at this point that he's going to be out there on the field early on in the season for a lot of snaps.
22:57And we've seen Kyle Shanahan scheme up a lot of production to like receivers that I know suck.
23:03You know, Kendrick Bourne, Richie James, Marquise Goodwin, etc.
23:06So, you know, for a guy who despite his college profile warts, like if he is if he if due to the
23:14injuries and stuff around him and due to his impressive camp, he's just locked into a really high road chair and to being a priority in the progression.
23:23Like, yeah, he could absolutely have a pretty monstrous start to the season.
23:27And yeah, it's pretty pretty scary right now to be a person who's who's talked disrespectfully towards Dijon Stribling on the Internet
23:35because, yeah, the fear is quite real. So I pulled up my post draft rookie rankings from early May during this conversation
23:42as Jacob was talking, because I remember Stribling was a guy we debated back and forth, but between ourselves and also just
23:50kind of with others in the industry more than maybe anybody else.
23:54I had ended up with him in the late second.
23:57He was my 23rd overall rookie. I had him ahead of Ted Hurst and Chris Brazel and kind of all the day two guys.
24:05I wasn't taking that seriously, but I had him well behind the day two guys I was taking somewhat seriously.
24:12The Jeremy Bernards, the Antonio Williams is I think where we're standing here today.
24:17I had only hedged Stribling up that high in my rankings to begin with because of this exact outcome where I don't
24:24care almost at all how good of a receiver you are.
24:28If Kyle Shanahan wants to use you, you are going to score fantasy points as Jacob just rattled off a ton of names.
24:36That's been proven time and time again. It happened with Jawan Jennings.
24:40It has happened with so many of these guys, right?
24:43Shanahan can just pick a guy if he wants to make you productive in the NFL and you are anywhere close to
24:50like the level of athlete that you need to be to get into the NFL.
24:55Well, he's probably capable of doing it. So at this point where I'm standing, if I were to just compare him to
25:03all of the other rookies in this draft class, I think Stribling would rank 12 or 13 for me.
25:09He'd be up with a Denzel Boston with a Jonah Coleman in that kind of range where I was drafting those guys
25:17in the late first in my rookie drafts. That's about where I would have Stribling in relation to everybody else now just
25:24because, yeah, the runway is potentially there. I do want to say the 49ers have had so many injuries.
25:30There's Demarcus Robinson was still resting. Christian Kirk has not really been on the field like there is also an outcome where
25:38some of these kind of dusty veterans that no one is really excited about or wants to talk about get healthy.
25:45And they end up being bigger obstacles to Stribling on the death chart.
25:49But, yeah, even just on the 30 to 40 percent chance that he has a legit projectable role at some point in
25:57the first month of the season, I do think I would rather have him than, yeah, Antonio Williams, who sounds like he's completely buried right now.
26:05Elijah Surratt, who also sounds like he's completely buried right now.
26:09All of these guys Stribling is just moving ahead of, in my estimation, based on new information.
26:15Well, let's get hotter. I'll go to you first, Tom, because you haven't weighed in as much on Stribling.
26:21But the guy having the best camp right now, Stribling, versus the guy who was picked, I believe, two slots ahead of
26:29him in the NFL draft, who just got passed up by like a 30-year-old career special teamer in Isaiah Williams.
26:35Who would you rather have in Dynasty? Oh, I would, I think, man, I would, I'd probably take Stribling based more off of just how Stribling was going.
26:45I was not drafting Omar Cooper. I think he's got legitimate alpha issues.
26:49He was one of those players that got double-tapped in terms of another highly drafted offensive skill player.
26:55Go to the Jets with Sadiq as well. And he's got a legitimate alpha in Garrett Wilson, who's not 33 with hamstring problems.
27:03So I think just overall, even when you look where Stribling's drafted at the 207 here in our 2026 rookie ADP in
27:10the fantasy points front office, which you can get 15% off right now with promo code FPFO.
27:16I am a company man. Sorry, excuse me. But I think you're already seeing not only like a great return on investment
27:24if you drafted him there, I think you'll continue to see a return on investment because I think Omar Cooper is going
27:31to, if we're somehow still talking about rookie drafts for sure sliding, and then I think overall value, you're going to see that flipped if it hasn't already.
27:40I mean, Ricky Pearsall got steamed up massively, and that took a clean runway for him.
27:46Look at how his season started last year. If Stribling somehow makes it to week one, he gets to put up what
27:53he did, say, in the preseason week one of the regular season, you're already massively cashing in.
27:59If you're just a pure value hunter, let's say, and you're ready to flip that 207 for something significant, I think the
28:06runway is there for you to be able to do it.
28:10But beyond the production of the preseason game, I want to talk about just how Kyle Shanahan used Stribling because I listened
28:18to Brett Whitefield and Joe Marino on first read this morning, and I love this take.
28:23So I would definitely say go listen to that podcast when it drops.
28:27Well, after you're done listening to this one, because you're going to drop on the same day at the same time.
28:34But they even said the way Stribling got the opportunity to play early in the preseason, they used them all over.
28:41Inside, outside, motion, first read, you know, really, really setting them up to get to play.
28:47Not something Shanahan does a lot with his rookie wide receivers, right?
28:51He likes to kind of bury them a little bit, very much restrict them.
28:56But I don't know if it's just, again, circumstance or whatever.
28:59He really gave them an opportunity. We just don't see that often.
29:03So that's what I'm more excited about than the stat line.
29:07But a lot of people in your dynasty leagues are going to care more about the stat line, let alone the body control.
29:15I mean, on the screen there, that back shoulder catch looked really impressive.
29:19I'll be honest with you. I was making the points per run block joke like everybody else was on Twitter with him.
29:27But like you said, the fear is very real.
29:30But I would definitely, again, want him over Cooper just simply...
29:33I wasn't drafting Omar Cooper to begin with. I would not take him over Omar Cooper at this point.
29:40To me, I don't want these guys that I don't think have legitimate college profiles over any guys that I think do
29:47based on the preseason news and the shifts. If Stribling actually gets on the field in week one, two, three, four, and
29:55it is moderately productive and or involved in the offense, then I may update.
29:59But yeah, for me, I will still take Cooper.
30:02I don't expect him to be that involved early in the season, to be clear.
30:07But I would rather the guy that was at least efficient pretty much throughout his college career on a per-out basis, had
30:15the fairly strong total production, at least in his final season, with some target competition from Elijah Surat.
30:21I just much prefer that compared to a Stribling who has almost no college production profile to speak of.
30:27I can see this backfiring for sure, but I also think every coach is different.
30:32Omar Cooper being behind a veteran that nobody cares about in early to mid-August is not the most surprising thing ever.
30:39This was famously the case with Justin Jefferson for a while during preseason of his rookie year.
30:45It's been the case with a lot of players that have gone on to have successful careers.
30:51I'm not comparing Omar Cooper to Justin Jefferson. The profile is nowhere close to what Jefferson's was or anything like that.
30:58But to me, it was at least substantial enough to give him a little bit more cushion there, a little benefit of
31:05the doubt versus what the depth chart looks like in August.
31:09Yeah, I'm sticking with Cooper too, but I just thought that was an interesting one.
31:14I mean, I found myself on the clock actually in a couple late starting rookie drafts, one of them being the League
31:21of Record where I was sitting there at the 111.
31:25And Cooper fell to me or at least fell relative to where he was going in most of rookie drafts back in May.
31:33And I was sitting there thinking about, should I just take Stribbling here?
31:37He's been getting a lot of hype. And I did ultimately go Cooper, but it was not a very obvious call for me when on the clock.
31:46So I wanted to survey and see what you guys thought.
31:50Well, what's funny is we had the 113 rule in the League of Record where you win the consolation bracket, you get a bonus untradable pick.
31:59That's really just the 201 and Stribbling went immediately.
32:02Like Billy didn't waste any time taking that pick there.
32:05So the value you're already seeing is getting closer.
32:08And you can see Omar Cooper is plummeting and Stribbling is climbing rapidly already in our value history.
32:14So it's not far off, like I said, from that flipping.
32:18And I just like the potential. Like we, again, if you held, you could have cashed out on Pearsall this last year over the first four weeks.
32:27He was incredible at a massive value gain. I think Stribbling has the runway, especially again, we're still talking about, about hamstring.
32:34I mean, like, like you mentioned, we've seen bad wide receivers become very much well-used and big producers in that offense.
32:41I mean, Greg Jennings turned into a nothing burger and he was at points being traded for late ones.
32:48Right. So I just think you get insulation there.
32:51And I'm willing to admit that, you know, there's a, it looking like there's a good chance that I was wrong on
32:58a lot of projection there with, with Stribbling. And I'm willing to buy in on that.
33:04But we have obviously, again, a lot of rookie news.
33:07There's, there's a wide receiver that I don't know how to gauge.
33:11Uh, I have no idea what to do with him.
33:14There's so much talk about him. Is he the next Puka Nakua?
33:18Is he, uh, just the next camp hype preseason clip Twitter darling?
33:22I don't know, but Cyrus Allen has to be discussed.
33:26I don't know what to do with him. Uh, he's probably the most requested player in the fantasy points discord for us
33:33to talk about on this show, on every show, in every article, you can see the value spike.
33:39Um, what are your guys's lay of the land?
33:42I don't think the wide receiver room in Kansas city is all that, all that good.
33:48So there is kind of a run out, but there also was a time that I also liked sky more who was
33:55higher drafted than Cyrus Allen and ended up being a complete nothing burger as well.
34:00So that, that wide receiver room can be complicated to predict, but the dynasty community seems to be infatuated with Cyrus Allen.
34:08So I'd like to get the, I'd like to get the read of the room.
34:13I understand it with Cyrus Allen. There's of course, massive allure to just the thought that he could climb this depth chart, which is a weak depth chart.
34:22Overall has a Rashi rice at the top of it, who is a guy that we, at least on this program have
34:29been kind of discussing as someone that is probably not as good as his fantasy point per game output for a couple of years.
34:38Now as good in real life in terms of how stable of a real life receiver is he?
34:44So there's real intrigue there. I totally understand why people are excited about Cyrus Allen.
34:49What I would say though on Cyrus Allen, and this is going to kind of be my rule for any kind of
34:56later drafted player who was not really on my radar in terms of their college profile.
35:01I will always just take the random second round pick.
35:05I would sell Cyrus Allen for any 27 second right now.
35:09That is a deal. I would not be surprised if you could just get done now.
35:14If you happen to have him on a roster or a taxi squad or what have you, that's what I would be sending out.
35:22That would be my price. The reason for that is it's just very rare that these kind of camp hype darlings that
35:29had little to no support prior to a training camp.
35:33It's very rare that they actually become worth a lot more than a round two pick at any point in their rookie seasons.
35:41Even Pukunakua, obviously the massive exception to this. But aside from him thinking back in previous seasons to the guys that kind
35:48of came out of nowhere to be the camp darlings, right?
35:52Last year, of course, Bill Krosky Merritt. Yeah, you maybe at one point could have sold him for like a late one
35:59or something, but he never really got that much higher than being worth a second throughout most of his rookie season.
36:06Right. Even though he became a legitimate player, was a part of their offense and all that.
36:12Romeo Dobbs was Cyrus Allen five plus years ago that Dobbs was the guy that we were inducting into the Hall of
36:19Fame during training camp that was going to have this massive role.
36:23And he did. He did have a legitimate role for the Packers in his rookie season.
36:29But Romeo Dobbs has never been worth more than a second in Dynasty Fantasy Football.
36:34Even Stefan Diggs, if memory serves, did not totally rocket ship in his rookie season.
36:39That took until year two, if I'm not mistaken, for him to like really break out and show, oh, yeah, this guy is worth a one plus.
36:48And he's like a legitimate wide receiver that we're going to be drafting in the top 24 for years to come.
36:55He flashed as a rookie. He had like kind of, yeah, the early hype, the early flashes that people were excited about.
37:02But even if you sold him for a two, you had a longer runway to kind of to buy him back or
37:10to reevaluate once we actually saw him on an NFL football field.
37:14So that's like the more realistic range of outcomes on a Cyrus Allen to me is, yes, he could be an important player for the Chiefs this year.
37:23He could give them a skill set that they don't really have in their wide receiver room right now.
37:30But it does really matter to me that the only context in which anyone was discussing Cyrus Allen back in May was
37:37actually I'm not interested in Jeff Caldwell, despite him running a four, three, whatever, because why didn't he outproduce Cyrus Allen last year?
37:45Was it like the only time that I really gave Cyrus Allen like legitimate thought, at least at least personally prior to this camp?
37:53And that's just because the profile, the production really wasn't there.
37:57So I'm open to him becoming a legitimate NFL player.
38:00I'm open to him contributing to the Chiefs this year.
38:03But you are going to win the bet more often than not to sell these guys for 27 seconds in Dynasty.
38:10Yeah. Yeah, I echo Ryan's sentiments like barring Apuka Nakua-esque start to his rookie season.
38:15And he's still going to be a guy that you can probably get for twos, I suspect, into his rookie season, even
38:23if he has a half decent start and you want to try and buy high at that point.
38:29And I would be pretty surprised if you ended up having like a FOMO level, this guy being worth a one plus.
38:36The odds against him on that are still very, very high.
38:40You know, are the odds looking better now that he'll be a really nice pick for guys who got him in like the fourth round of rookie drafts?
38:50Probably. But I'm pretty skeptical of this one from a profile perspective, from a draft capital perspective.
38:55Like you're not even getting like we're straddling where, you know, we can have congestions about the profile, but he was a top 40 pick.
39:04And then you add on the fact that the Chiefs like, yes, I do think there are very serious issues with this receiver group.
39:12But like from a role perspective, Rashi Rice is still going to be out there.
39:17He's still going to be targeted. Xavier Worthy is still 100% going to be out there.
39:22Travis Kelsey is still 100% going to be out there.
39:26So I think that the odds that he makes himself unattainable in the first couple of weeks of the season are very,
39:33very, very long in terms of him just coming in and being like the number one target.
39:39So, yeah, I'm pretty darn skeptical of this one.
39:42I would not be sending out a two. I would accept any two for him.
39:47If you still happen to have a late rookie draft and, you know, you're able to go and nab him there, if
39:54people are a little bit asleep at the wheel in terms of some of the camp hype, yeah, absolutely.
40:01Feel free, you know, and you should be excited for the shares that you have.
40:06Is he someone you're trading away for point scorers like Diggs?
40:09That was one of the trades that popped up in the recent trade section with him.
40:15Is he someone you want to hang on to just in case if you did somehow draft for a fourth?
40:21Do you pick them up off? I don't know how many people actually drafted him.
40:27He's not in a lot of my draft databases, so I don't know.
40:31So are you cashing out for just any veteran points?
40:34I feel like a wide receiver like this is different than a Bill Krosky-Maric is running backs.
40:40When they hit, they hit it just like such a more valuable level than a wide receiver like Allen.
40:46Yeah, Diggs is a good one to bring up.
40:49I mean, it would depend on how well and what my team situation is and not just, I mean, obviously it would
40:57depend on if I was contending, if I have any interest in Diggs.
41:01But beyond that, it would depend like how many people are starting in this league.
41:06You know, is it a start 11 or is it a start 9?
41:11What's my wide receiver depth? Am I really going to use Diggs?
41:15It's like the start 9 league and I have a really good team.
41:19Diggs is useless. So I'd probably rather just have a lottery ticket.
41:23But start 11 league where Diggs could make a real impact as an every week flex guy?
41:29Like, yeah, to me that would be totally a trade that I would do.
41:34All right, let's dive into some kind of more.
41:37Oh, actually, I'm sorry. I completely buried the lead on one of my.
41:41One of the reasons we see camp hype like this is like you get a lot of either team accounts or fan accounts.
41:49And we get a lot of comments like Cyrus Allen is going to eventually be, in my humble opinion, their number one wide receiver.
41:57And like that's enough to boost a player's stock massively to people that follow news like this and really want to be, let's say, ahead.
42:05So in terms of like you're going to have opportunity to get out, you definitely have that right now if you are wanting to.
42:13It's part of just the regular camp hype media cycle and kind of why it's important to stay maybe a little bit more level headed.
42:22I mean, look at some of the trades. It's like 28 second, 28 third, straight up, another third bunched in with for
42:29Mike Evans or Mondray style trade here. You can pair him with DJ more apparently from August 13th and go and get a Chris Alave.
42:38Probably harder to do now, but it's definitely interesting to see what his his range already.
42:43And we really haven't seen much of anything. So that's the perfect example of encapsulating what we're talking about in terms of
42:50reaction and overreaction to how a player is discussed in the preseason.
42:54Let's talk about some more miscellaneous quick hitters. As you know.
42:58I rarely talk positively about Baltimore Ravens players. I'm very nervous to do so, but I want to talk about one specifically,
43:06and it's now my most rostered player in Dynasty.
43:09He is my most rostered player. I think I'm up to 30% now.
43:13It's Matthew Hibner. I thought he looked fantastic, and I also think it is a testament to the system being run in Baltimore with Doyle.
43:21This wheel route that he ran really reminded me of early career.
43:25Mark Andrews. You have the backside play action here.
43:28There's a little late, but this has me excited for if and or when he replaces Mark Andrews, which I think will maybe not happen this year.
43:38But there is a possibility of it happening sooner than later.
43:41The usage also gets me excited for Mark Andrews, given how the tight end position was used here.
43:47We saw the screen, the bootleg, a lot of stuff that Baltimore really didn't do that much over the last few years.
43:55But he looked more athletic than I thought. He had better hands than I thought.
44:00At least in this game, he could find spots in zone a little bit better than I was expecting for a rookie.
44:07But really, the wheel route here really sells it for me.
44:11Upside here, big, if anything were to happen to Andrews, in my opinion.
44:15I don't think Durham Smythe is really running a lot of these type routes, and we know Andrews is a little older, looks a little slower.
44:24So I like Stribbling. He's probably my favorite late upside target tight end.
44:28And again, I don't really talk positively about a lot.
44:32I would have liked to have seemed to go to the outside there personally.
44:37But turn up field, get the yards, I get it.
44:40But I don't really talk positively about a lot of Ravens.
44:44But Hibner has me legitimately excited, and it does remind me a lot of the Hurst and Andrews kind of tight end,
44:51where Hibner wasn't even the first tight end drafted by Baltimore, I believe, in this draft.
44:56I don't know. I'm excited about Hibner and the possibility of him getting real opportunity should anything happen to Mark Andrews, who,
45:04again, getting older, kind of running with the piano on his back.
45:08He was refreshing. There's not much here with the profile for me.
45:12I mean, the athleticism is great. The production is pretty non-existent.
45:16But as a blind bet on athleticism and opportunity, sure, totally fine.
45:20Especially at the price of free or late round rookie draft pick.
45:24Definitively interesting. I was still picking him up off waivers, just clear.
45:28Like, he's still not in this after the Ravens preseason game against the Eagles.
45:32Like, that was, again, pretty positive. That's why I said I was a little more surprised with how fluent he was with
45:40the ball and being able to find spots and locations and settling in zone and things like that that are fairly difficult
45:47for rookie tight ends to kind of learn and adapt.
45:51In line as well. Just a lot to like there, in my opinion.
45:55Yeah. I'm just happy to let you be happy about your Ravens for once, Tom.
46:00Finally. In one small little microcosm of a take.
46:03That's, yeah. I'm not going to rain on the parade whatsoever.
46:07Is this the first one in like three years, maybe?
46:10Is that? It's been a minute. Yeah. I think it might be.
46:14Well, let me pivot that immediately to something negative.
46:17Elijah Surratt was somebody that I was like convinced was going to be the next guy.
46:23Didn't really play until later in the game. What I care about more is the fumble.
46:28The fumble, which is not going to sit well.
46:31You know that. But where that's paired is all of the stuff about Jacoby lane, all camp.
46:37I was dismissing is like miles Boykin level hype because the Ravens do seem to be obsessed with like the big body wingspan type wide receivers.
46:46Jacoby lane played really well. He played really well.
46:49So I'm. Surratt was the second round pick in rookie ADP lane was the third round pick.
46:54And I'm looking at how many times I drafted Surratt compared to lane.
46:59And I'm, I'm wondering because again, the Ravens are going to have to pass the ball a lot more, a lot more for anyone to matter.
47:07And they might just do it. But where are you guys at with the, the kind of young one, the youngins, if
47:15you would in the Ravens receiver room, I'm honestly just kind of confused more than anything, because I feel like I've been rug pulled throughout the summer.
47:24Like in mini camp, the Elijah Surratt headlines were overwhelmingly positive.
47:28And I was like, okay, maybe I wasn't a total dunce for ranking the spreadsheet darling that fell to day three in
47:35the mid second round of rookie drafts again this year.
47:38Maybe I didn't fall for it again. But now I'm a little concerned.
47:43I did just hashtag fall for it again. Uh, it with lane clearly playing ahead of Surratt is what's a little more concerning, but I don't know.
47:52Ultimately it's a little hard to give kind of actionable dynasty advice on guys like this, where we are very much are
47:59just, we have all had our rookie drafts. Our bags are packed.
48:03Uh, we're just like bag holding now and kind of watching basically, but no, I'm not feeling that good or about the
48:11Elijah Surratt bags, uh, at this point, but who knows things can change.
48:15It's one preseason game. It could be entirely different literally next week.
48:19I'm not going to massively overreact right now or declare Surratt dead or anything, but it's definitely not encouraging after an encouraging start to the summer.
48:28Yeah. Part of the context on that is he apparently suffered a hamstring injury at the very end of OTAs.
48:35And so then was kind of slow coming back.
48:38There was some reporting that he didn't look quite as good at the start of camp as he did in OTAs.
48:45This is Surratt, of course. Um, uh, from a dynasty perspective, I'm going to remain a little bit more stubborn on this one.
48:53Um, I, I think that it's not that surprising that Lane is playing ahead of Surratt right now.
48:59He was the higher drafted guy. He's been a healthier guy.
49:02He's had a fantastic camp by all reports. And he looked really strong in the preseason game as well.
49:09Um, I mean, his best trait is ball winning.
49:12And that is a trait that tends to do very, very well at training camp.
49:17You know, I've, I've made like very big moves in my seasonal league rankings, like especially my best ball rankings.
49:24Like I've moved lane way up. He's clearly the guy that's going to get the opportunity right away.
49:30Trying to zoom out from a dynasty perspective. I I'm still being a little bit more stubborn with the profile, um, aspects
49:37here where I do think that there are some pretty big limitations to Lane's overall game.
49:42I think there's a lot of opportunity for things to be pretty fluid throughout the season.
49:48And I think especially with Surratt, like the OTA stuff was great.
49:52The injury stunted his progress a little bit. I'm the fumble, like Tom raised a fumble.
49:57That's obviously something he's got to get sorted. Um, I, I do still care, like from a rookie dynasty perspective, how guys look.
50:05And like Surratt was still very productive. He was eating a ton of targets, catching a lot of balls.
50:11So outside of the fumble and outside of like when he was playing in the game, I didn't think it was all negative.
50:19And from a dynasty perspective for a day three rookie to be playing deep into the preseason in week one, I don't
50:27personally view that as a death knell. So I definitely expect Lane to be the guy that starts the season.
50:33He'll have the first opportunity to stake a claim over the spot and has looked really great so far, but I'm, I'm not burying Surratt just yet.
50:42Yeah. To be clear, I'm not like burying him, burying him either.
50:46I I'll allow like the striplings to move ahead of him, but I'm not going out there and saying I need to
50:54move Surratt down, like significantly down my rookie rankings or anything like that.
50:58They do still both have a Rashad Bateman problem for this year anyway.
51:03So I, it is, I think you're right. Not a lot to overreact to, but there's definitely some, some positives there to
51:10feel good about as a Ravens fan. Finally, finally, something to feel good about there.
51:15Maybe we won't really be a complete loss. If, if flowers does miss any time, which I hope he doesn't.
51:22Some other big things to kind of talk about Chris bell off the NFI.
51:26So shout out, I don't know. Stem cells are just Wolverine S healing abilities.
51:31Kind of insane. That is off the NFI. If I'm being honest.
51:35And Caleb Douglas looked also really good on top of Malik.
51:39Malik Willis looked. Well, okay. This is the number one thing I don't care about in the preseason.
51:45Is the Malik, is, is Malik Willis looking good on a sample of like nine plays on a scripted drive against preseason players?
51:53Like we already knew that if you hold his dropbacks to like 18 per game, that he could look really efficient.
52:00He did that. Like he did that in green Bay.
52:03Right. And it was really impressive. And like, that's why he got the starting job is that in a limited scripted sample,
52:11you can, he's a very talented thrower of the football and he's really mobile.
52:15He's like 30% more efficient structure. Right. 30% more efficient by EPA per dropback than Lamar Jackson the last couple of years.
52:23Right. So I was really surprised that he did what he did in green Bay after watching him in Tennessee.
52:29But like now that I've seen him do that in green Bay, I was 0% surprised that he was able to do
52:37that for one scripted drive against preseason defense in, in, in this situation.
52:41My question remains, can this guy actually do this in a real dropback situation over the course of a full game?
52:48I mean, it's impossible for a preseason drive to answer that question for me.
52:53So I know I I'm more saying when I say he looked good, I was more impressed with the got again on
53:00time back foot check, got to his first read, not immediately.
53:04He wasn't staring him down. Like a lot of questions on if he can even process without LeFleur around.
53:11When I say look good, those are the things I'm looking for more than the efficiency and things.
53:17It's little, little subtle things, back foot plant and go, you know, looking off safeties, et cetera.
53:22Just things that he wasn't really regarded as doing a lot.
53:26Let's say at college, let's say, and then it was, well, LeFleur is not coming with them.
53:32Is that going to sustain? It looked like that's at least been corrected for now.
53:37When I say it looks good, we're to talk about the rookies, Caleb Douglas played every snap with the ones, uh, some big, big plays here.
53:46And again, bell off the NFI bell was a big question mark for us.
53:50We got a lot of comments about him and we were doing our rookie rankings and rookie tears.
53:56We're a little too low for, for some people.
53:59Um, what to, what to expect? Who's your kind of target here?
54:03Did anything you saw this weekend change your mind on someone like Caleb Douglas, who of all the Miami dolphins wide receivers
54:11seem to get pushed down the most for reasons I can't fully explain.
54:15I remain highest on bell among all of the dolphins, rookie wide receivers.
54:20I remain much lower on bell, uh, going back to the draft process.
54:24And to today, I remain much lower on him than I think most were in the industry.
54:30I had him ranked as just a fringe top 30 rookie draft pick.
54:34The reason for that is regardless of when he kind of comes back, it's great.
54:39It's great. He's off NFI and all of that.
54:42I just find it exceedingly unlikely that any rookie wide receiver on the dolphins this year makes enough of an impression to
54:50the point where they aren't going to draft a wide receiver early next year, if given the opportunity, uh, because of these
54:57like drop back limitations that we're talking about with Malik Willis and just what the passing game is likely to be this season.
55:05It's just very hard for me to imagine a world where everybody is keeping a candle lit for Chris bell come next January.
55:13I don't think he's going to be super top of mind.
55:16Uh, outside of like gets on the field very early and immediately makes an impression, but I didn't even really see that
55:24in the profile, uh, for him from a production standpoint.
55:27I thought that the one tweet from probably his agent about how he could have gone in round one, if not for
55:34his ACL injury was like completely holding up his draft stock for a long time and completely holding up his dynasty stock for a long time.
55:43And I, yeah, I just didn't see that whatsoever relative to, I thought he was like a pretty average to sub mediocre
55:51day to wide receiver profile, uh, which is not a compliment.
55:54And so, yeah, I, I just haven't really changed my opinion much at all on this dolphins, uh, rookie wide receiver group,
56:02which is largely that I don't care and that I don't think anyone's going to care eight months from now.
56:08Yeah. Some people in the film world really liked Chris bell.
56:12Um, not, not my style of profile, but I think that his, I think that the, his prospect profile earned a lot
56:20of goodwill based on him being injured. Because I think that there was the, the view on him, the common narrative was
56:27is a day one level prospect who fell to day two based on injury.
56:32When I think if he hadn't got injured, either he wouldn't have gone on day one at all, or he, maybe he
56:39was a late first, early second round pick. And then he's the one who really gets nitpicked a lot.
56:46And he kind of becomes like the, the analytics versus film or analytics versus athleticism or whatever guy this year.
56:52Like I saw more people nitpicking Denzel Boston's profile, for instance, than Chris bells.
56:57And there are some nits there, but Denzel Boston's profile is miles better than bells was from a data perspective.
57:04So, um, I, anyways, I, I remain, yeah, pretty largely disinterested in the Miami dolphins passing game, but, um, I definitely think bell is the highest upside guy.
57:13Um, Caleb Douglas has been my favorite of the group to pick in best ball just cause like he's a rookie receiver.
57:21It seems like he's going to start from week one.
57:24And so who knows? Um, and given how poor all the other receivers are on this team, uh, I will note that a catch he made was amazing.
57:33He, he might need to work on the sideline awareness.
57:37There was the, uh, the incompletion where there was no one within 15 yards of him.
57:42That was Jonathan Mingo ask there. So that's, that's, that's something to clean up.
57:47He didn't jump and land out of bounds though.
57:50So, I mean, there's maybe not, maybe not as bad, maybe not as bad.
57:55Uh, but you're right. Definitely some question marks there, but if I don't think if we noted it, I think people might've been upset.
58:03Let's talk about Emmett Johnson. Um, because there are some people that would say he's not necessarily a pass catcher, not really
58:10someone with any upsides and anything happened, but like, I don't believe in Rashard Smith.
58:15I don't see a veteran coming through the door the way we have kind of in the past.
58:21Let's talk about the RB two here in Kansas city, because I feel like that is a legitimate upside type play with Walker's tendency to miss time.
58:30Some people are going to want to hammer a guy like the Mercado.
58:35I'm okay. Not rostering the Mercado ever again in dynasty.
58:38So I like, I've seen it. I've been there.
58:41I'm good. Uh, let's talk about Emmett Johnson, who some people are, are genuinely quite excited about with the potential of being RB two in Kansas city.
58:50Yeah. The TLDR of this for me is I think Emmett Johnson probably is the RB two in Kansas city.
58:57This year has been my recent takeaway. Of course you were drafting him in rookie drafts with that hope.
59:03I had him ranked, uh, toward the end of round two of rookie drafts with that hope.
59:09He was a prospect. I liked relative to what the NFL seemed to think about him.
59:14I thought he had a legitimate three down skillset, or at least that he could fit in on passing downs.
59:21Maybe he could be good enough, uh, for RB two duties in terms of being on the ground and just kind of having to take over a workload.
59:31If there were injuries ahead of him, that seems like the exact role that he's headed for right now, because for those
59:38that don't remember the chiefs backfield last year, Rashard Smith was on the team.
59:43They suffered injuries in the backfield and they did basically everything they possibly could to prevent Rashard Smith from playing an actual running back type of role.
59:52He did have like his design screens. And there were a few weeks where, yeah, he was a little bit involved as
59:59a pass catcher, but this is not like a running back sized player, or at least that's like not how the team seems to view him.
60:08So if it's him and Emmett Johnson, who were playing first in the preseason with Ken Walker sitting, if it's Rashard Smith
60:15and Emmett Johnson, that to me says Emmett Johnson is the RB two, that he is the handcuff to Walker.
60:22And we had Amar Di Mercado. Yeah. Playing much later into the game.
60:27Di Mercado was really the only guy they went out and signs this off season.
60:32He seemed like he was the thought there was probably that he could help out in pass protection and kind of like
60:39the third down back type of role. But if Emmett's ahead of him there, then I don't really see the point of
60:46Amar Di Mercado on the roster and maybe the chiefs don't either.
60:50So I was legitimately encouraged by the Emma Johnson usage.
60:54And I do think he is more than likely Ken Walker's handcuff to conclude.
60:59Yeah, I was pumped. Um, he, he was, he was one of the top takeaways for me from preseason.
61:05I mean, more so like in a best ball seasonal grind, cause he's been going at the very end of drafts and,
61:12um, I've been clicking him a lot, uh, under the hopes that he would emerge as the clear RB two.
61:19I wasn't even really expecting he would be the immediate RB two in week one.
61:24Now that is my expectation. Um, after this preseason game where he was really effective, uh, Amar Di Mercado also was the fourth running back through drills.
61:33Johnson was clearly the first running, uh, well, second behind Kenneth Walker, but first of the backup competitors through drills at practice.
61:41Um, I think at this point Di Mercado is probably going to get caught actually, um, which would be really, really exciting
61:48for, uh, not just Johnson, but I think also Walker and his potential to lock down some more passing down work.
61:55So I think Johnson's really interesting. Um, I love him in this role that he's in.
62:00I was concerned earlier at like pre draft that he was getting a bit overrated for a guy that I just don't
62:08know has like the dynamism to be a true NFL starting running back.
62:12But as a backup with a lot of contingent upside, he's exactly what I want.
62:17Super fantasy friendly profile can handle a ton of volume, can handle the past game work.
62:23He's a really, really fun guy to me to have on your bench and especially Ken Walker.
62:28I love Ken Walker that he loves getting hurt.
62:31So if you, you know, take two, four weeks for his kind of yearly minor injury, um, I don't see why Emmitt
62:39Johnson couldn't come in and score 16 points per game for two or three weeks stretch.
62:44Um, if Ken Walker suffers a minor injury at some point this year.
62:49Yeah, I think that's totally fair. And Chris Wacht absolutely killing the, the preseason Twitter thread must, must follow.
62:55Uh, this is phenomenal. He puts a great information with Brashard Smith and, and Emmitt Johnson, a lot of it highlighting, uh, everything, everything we're talking about here.
63:04So that's, that's a lot of news and notes, camps, rookies.
63:08The last one I kind of want to end off on today, cause we have a lot more to go here in
63:16the preseason, but a lot of Eli Stowers talk like a lot, like a con, a lot of it being very concerning.
63:23So, uh, let's talk about the twink. Oh no, no.
63:26This is, is this just going to be, is this just going to be victory laps?
63:32I feel like overall Jacob was one of the lowest people in the industry on Eli Stowers.
63:38No, we can't. No, no, no, no, no, no.
63:41I will not be victory lapping on August 18th.
63:44No, no, no, no, no. You got a long way to go.
63:48You got a long way to go. Yeah. I wanted to give you the opportunity because it's, there's blood in the water right now on Eli Stowers.
63:57No, no, no, no, no. I can't, I can't be like simultaneously tilted by all the people of victory lapping, you know,
64:04guys who look good that I said were bad or look bad that I said were good on August 18th.
64:11And then when we get to one that I get the chance to victory lap, be like, no, no, like we can call it on August 18th.
64:20His career is already decided. Um, I'm not going to do that.
64:24I'm going to be consistent. Um, but I don't know.
64:27What's the update? I guy who is 255th and run blocking snaps is not ready to play in line tight end as a rookie.
64:35Like how could we have seen this coming? I don't know.
64:39Yeah. I mean, that, that basically is the update.
64:42Uh, and it, I mean, it's consistent with what we've been hearing out of training camp, which is that doesn't sound like
64:50Stowers is going to be super involved in the offense early on.
64:54Like he's not been playing with the first team really.
64:57Uh, and yeah, I think most of the people around the Eagles are just kind of unsure how he fits into the offense right now.
65:05And that, yeah, that does make some sense based on kind of his profile and everything we talked about with him.
65:13And this is despite, uh, Devante Smith, Makai Lemon dealing with hamstring injuries, missing time over the past couple of weeks too.
65:20So yeah, I don't know. It's looking, I don't know.
65:23Everything's turning up great for Don Tavian Wicks. Remember him?
65:27And not, not so much for Eli Stowers right now.
65:30Um, I don't know. I have, I had him ranked as my 13th rookie when I went through and did my tight end rankings.
65:38I was tempted to move him down behind a couple of other like kind of theoretical young guys.
65:44I ultimately didn't yet just because that this was what I would have expected from the profile too, is a kind of
65:52slower start to his NFL career where maybe there comes a time even during his rookie season that he is able to
65:59be showcased, uh, for whatever reason, because of injuries, because of game planning from the Eagles for a period.
66:05Like we can absolutely get the Aranda Gadsden magical month out of Eli Stowers at some point.
66:11So I'm not going to super punish him in rankings and value right now, but yeah, it's, it's sort of what we were concerned about.
66:20I'd say don't want to double count. I think, I think that the, the, if, if you were an Eli Stowers bull,
66:27I mean, if you were really thinking he, he would make a massive impact without a Dallas Goddard injury this year, I
66:34just think that was off base, but that doesn't mean that he won't have a positive career.
66:40The, the ceiling remains high for him as a receiving option.
66:44There's contingent value potentially this year. If he develops as a blocker, you know, this is a guy that maybe we go into next year.
66:52I, we've seen a lot of rookies that have this arc of like, they have a lot of value and then they
67:00decline in value throughout their season, but then the off season breaks, right?
67:04And they go back up, right? You think of like a basial tootin, Matthew golden, two examples of guys who had a
67:11lot of high hopes this time last year that didn't come to fruition in the rookie season, but then the decks got
67:19cleared for them and they have another opportunity to cash in on that hope this season.
67:24I think that's probably the most likely scenario for Eli Stowers is that people will be once again, hopeful this time next year.
67:32But I'm not expecting a ton from him barring a significant Dallas Goddard injury in your Yeah.
67:38Use the type of player you buy in like week four, if he still hasn't done much or week six and send
67:45away some aging points, uh, Jake Ferguson, let's say, and hope that you get to cash in next year on a, on
67:53a, uh, you know, by ADP standards and rookie drafts, a late round pick, which is why I think there's so much
68:00when you get really kind of overly negative news on a player like we are with Stowers, that is, is really driving the ship in the preseason.
68:09People react to that. I feel like more than a glowing, uh, reviews.
68:13At least I feel like in my experience, people tend to really, really, really want to overreact in terms of their dynasty
68:21rosters to negative, even more than positive. That's going to do it for the rookies.
68:26We're going to do this every week. So get ready to get locked in.
68:31We're going to be up to date with what we're feeling on the rookies.
68:35Who's moving. Who's not. What are we excited for?
68:38What's not what's real and, and what's not. So I'm excited for that.
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