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2:08And he stays on his feet! He's just gonna go the distance!
2:12Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.
2:15Yeah, baby! FFT after dark. Sunday night, September 6th.
2:18Getting you ready for your Labor Day. Happy Labor Day, guys.
2:21Happy Labor Day to you, Adam. It's pretty much, uh, this is, this is the thing for the next four months, right?
2:28Sunday nights. Sunday nights. Sunday nights. Yeah, about an hour earlier than this.
2:32We'll go on the air around 8 o'clock, you know, 7.50, 8 o'clock p.m.
2:37Eastern on Sunday nights to recap the action. What is Sunday night football week one?
2:41Are we looking forward to that game? I think you are.
2:45I sure am. Giants-Cowboys. Oh man, we get to watch it all together?
2:49The whole season's gonna be on the line right away in week one.
2:5334-10. You think the Giants are gonna win by 24, Heath?
2:56Come on, man. I do not. I do not.
2:59You know, uh, in being in a guillotine league with Dave where he has two Cowboys with his first two picks, I'm, Giants, shut him out.
3:07Oh, he is, oh, okay, okay. Yeah, I took CD and Gervonta with my first two picks.
3:12Ooh, yeah, that's not bad. All right, anyway, welcome to the show.
3:16Today, we're gonna talk about... Yeah, and let me mention, it's an 18-team league, so less people think that I, you know, whiffed in round two.
3:24I think everybody knows how many teams in a guillotine league.
3:28I don't know, not everybody does. Yeah, it's not always...
3:31People who have done it, the others, not necessarily.
3:34I know someone who's in a 15-team guillotine league because they just couldn't find enough people, so they're just gonna end it early.
3:41Not everybody's a winner like you and me, Jamie.
3:44Is that you? No. Because you didn't have that many friends?
3:47Did Dan do the draft? Tomorrow night. Or Monday night.
3:50Live? Is it coming? Monday night, no, no. Anyway, today we're gonna talk about the players who have risen or fallen the most throughout the draft process.
3:59Okay, basically the last month. Who are the biggest risers and followers, and what are we expecting?
4:04These are buzz-worthy players that need to be talked about, even if it's just one last time before we really turn our attention to week one.
4:12But let's start with the Josh Jacobs news here.
4:15His court date was moved up to September 10th.
4:18Heath, did you adjust anything based on this? I didn't really know exactly what to make of it here, but much earlier,
4:24four days from now is his court date. So did you adjust anything?
4:28Yes. I had Josh Jacobs at the end of round 10 and didn't really want to take him until round 11.
4:35I moved him up to the end of round 9, and then I was in an FFPC draft and took him early
4:42in round 9 because of the structure of my team.
4:45So I think he's up a round or two, and I don't think anybody actually knows for sure what this means.
4:51But the way that I'm taking it is that Josh Jacobs would like to get this all done with and hopefully be playing week 7.
4:59Dave, your take on Josh Jacobs moving up his court date?
5:03I think Heath's take is reasonable. There's a chance that it could be longer than week 7 before we see him.
5:09There's always things that can happen and videos that could be released that could alter said timeline.
5:15But yeah, I'm interpreting this as Jacobs and his legal team trying to get resolution over and done with so that the
5:21league can make a decision on how long he's going to be suspended for.
5:26And now he's got a chance to play this year.
5:29So when would you take him and when would you take Lloyd, Dave?
5:33I have Jacobs still in round 10 because there's still the uncertainty and the chance that he does not play this year.
5:40So I don't want to spend... Yeah, Heath, you were taking him in early round 9?
5:45Yeah, I took him... Like it was 9-0-4. And it was a tournament type to where like the upside of if Jacobs
5:52is there in the playoffs is worth a little bit more.
5:55I'm not going to nitpick that. I spent 2% of my budget in an auction draft on Jacobs.
6:01The news broke that the court day got moved up while we were doing our auction draft.
6:06So I dabbled, but I'm not going to overspend.
6:09And Lloyd went down a little bit, but he's still running back that you know you're going to have for the beginning of the season.
6:16So happy to still take him in that round 6-7 range.
6:20I'll give you a couple of different ADPs and then, Jamie, you can hop in here.
6:25The NFC average draft position just from the last two days has Marshawn Lloyd at RB29.
6:30So it's Jalen Warren, Jonathan Brooks, Marshawn Lloyd. RB29, 80th overall.
6:33And then Tony Pollard, Blake Corum. Josh Jacobs, RB39, 113th overall.
6:37The Fantasy Pro's real-time ADP, which doesn't exactly give you a date range.
6:41It just says, instead of showing you where players were drafted yesterday, real-time ADP shows you where they're being drafted now.
6:47And it puts now in italics. So that's interesting.
6:50Has Josh Jacobs actually going ahead of Marshawn Lloyd?
6:53Jacobs is RB31, 88th overall. And Marshawn Lloyd, 91st, 34th overall.
6:56Okay, that's not real. Not to crowd Jamie out, but FFPC, so real drafts from the last...
7:02Last two days, 22 drafts. Jacobs at 76. Or I'm sorry, Lloyd at 76.
7:06Jacobs at 88. Okay. I think a lot of people that are just drafting now, casual people, maybe don't even really know about Marshawn Lloyd.
7:14Kind of basing that based on the draft I just did.
7:17There's not a lot of casual people in the FFPC drafts.
7:21Exactly. So the real-time Fantasy Pro's thing, I think, maybe explains Jacobs going ahead of Lloyd.
7:26Jamie, when would you take the two of them?
7:28I think the ranges have been accurate. Somewhere after round nine, and I think Lloyd somewhere after round six.
7:34I think that's fair. You've got to be a little bit cautious now with Lloyd, just with the potential of, I think
7:41Dave hit it on the head, that the legal team for Jacobs, this is his only chance to play this season, is to get his name cleared.
7:50So if this was going to wait until November, I would be very surprised.
7:54I would have been very surprised if the NFL was going to change its mind on allowing him to play beyond maybe sitting out of six-game suspension.
8:02But this wasn't the suspension. It was the exemplus.
8:05So we still don't know. There's still an uncertainty about this.
8:09The court case may be worse for Jacobs. He may end up, as Dave alluded to with the video, we may find
8:15out that it's worse than what the charges were.
8:18Remember, I think it's a little bit confusing to some people.
8:22It's not a felony charge because he's not married.
8:24Oh, is that right? And because he didn't create great harm.
8:28They don't have the proof of it. I'm sorry.
8:31I probably butchered. I was trying to think what Drew Davenport said, that it was not… I think it was not a
8:38domestic violence case because they're not married. Yes. Okay.
8:40I think the felony was regarding the severity. Domestic violence was regarding the marriage.
8:45Right. Excuse me. Sorry, I apologize. In any event, I think we could find out that he's still out for the rest of the season.
8:53So just don't get too excited. The way I have been approaching it, still have two more drafts to go.
8:59The way I have been approaching it is I'm not reaching for Marshawn Lloyd and I'm not reaching for Josh Jacobs.
9:05If they are in the appropriate spots where I feel like it's comfortable to draft either one, I will do it.
9:12All right. So would you take Tony Pollard or Marshawn Lloyd?
9:15Go ahead. It depends on the build of my roster.
9:18If I'm looking for the most upside, I would take Lloyd.
9:22Agreed. Heath? I think it depends on the league too.
9:25All right. You know what? Honestly, your silence, your pause kind of says exactly how you feel about them.
9:31Right. Okay. I understand. You don't want to be in a situation where you drafted Marshawn Lloyd and come week three, you know, he's a backup.
9:39Yeah. And you spend a sixth round pick on him.
9:42You don't want to draft. You don't want to let him go to somebody else.
9:47And it's, he's the starting running back for the Packers for the entire season.
9:51He's played one game. Like, you know, we, I think we tried to be as realistic about the situation as possible.
9:58Like this is a great situation. It's unbelievable if he's the starting running back for the Packers for the entirety of the
10:04year, but he may not be there. We're starting running back for the entirety of the area.
10:10It's worth still taking flyers. I've done it in almost every draft or free agent runs that have happened to pick up
10:17Christopher Brooks to see what happens just in case there's, he's the guy you want to take a flyer on Caleb Johnson, take a flyer on Caleb Johnson.
10:25You know, he may end up at some point being extremely relevant for the Packers.
10:30It's very wide open. Yeah. A lot of people, by the way, are picking up Chris Brooks in my leagues.
10:36And every time I see it, I go, Oh, why didn't I pick up Chris Brooks?
10:41So if he's a free agent, go ahead and take a look at Chris Brooks.
10:46He at least is going to catch some passes for the Packers.
10:50There's two that are very easy and it's Chris Brooks and George Helani, because we just don't know what roles they're going to have.
10:57And throw them away after a week. You know what I mean?
11:01If, if, if they, if they stink, it's just easy selections.
11:04If you drafted, you did a great job, you know, this Adam of Jordan Tyson and Zach Charbonnet of you get a
11:11free pickup because you can stash them on IR and you still have those players.
11:16And I will say this, if you want to start looking ahead, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers DST is widely available and they get the Browns in week two.
11:24So if you want to get that next DST, do that as well.
11:29You can do that before Saturday. I do worry that Chris Brooks is just going to be no better than a passing downs back for Green Bay.
11:37It's going to take injuries for that to change, but Helani.
11:40And I think you've been ahead on this one, Jamie, like could very well be taking on the Zach Charbonnet role to
11:47begin the year and probably wouldn't let it go.
11:50Unless Jadarian Price really takes off in Seattle's backfield.
11:53And it's not just those two guys. I know we'll probably get into this during the week, but like Malik Davis, Ray Davis, Samaj AP Ryan.
12:01Like there's so many of these Seth McGowan. Like there's so many guys that are just available.
12:06Jacob Saylor's like there's, you could just stash these guys.
12:09God forbid an injury happens in week one. You've beaten the waiver wire.
12:13Congratulations. Do you know you have that next lottery ticket?
12:16You know, you want to guess Helani's roster percentage?
12:193%. 10%. 13. 7%. George Helani. Okay. Could be the goal linebacker for the Seahawks.
12:24I do have, by the way, the last ADP review.
12:27There's four different articles. There's waiver wire information in all four of those articles.
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12:34If you've already done your draft, go pick up these players now.
12:38What's waiver sure? Are we expecting Kyle Manongai to play week one at Carolina?
12:42No. Okay. He was running last week in practice.
12:45DeAndre Swift said he looked good. So hopefully that means it'll be sooner rather than later from Manongai.
12:51Travion Henderson, would you agree it seems unlikely Henderson's going to play week one?
12:55Correct. We agree. Yeah, that would be Wednesday at Seattle.
12:58We also might not get Seattle safety Nicky Manwari in week one.
13:02He's a little beat up. And that means three, if he's out, three pieces of their second.
13:07Because they already, they don't have Kobe Bryant starting safeties now on the Bears injured.
13:12They don't have Rick Woolen, who's now on the Eagles.
13:15But this would be a third guy if Manwari doesn't play.
13:18Heath, what were you going to say? Nothing. Okay.
13:21So, yeah, that would be a big loss. Cam Scadaboo said that John Harbaugh asked him if he's ready for 20 carries a game.
13:29I said we're going to talk about risers and followers.
13:32This has been a faller. Dave put him in his followers list, you know, just over the last month or so.
13:38And then there was also, I don't know, beat writer speculation that Najee Harris could eventually.
13:43Let me see. Actually, I can read it for you.
13:46Oh, thank you. From The Athletic. It'll be fascinating to see how this running back room shakes out.
13:52I'm confident Cam Scadaboo will open the season as the number one back.
13:56Najee Harris could be anywhere from the number two to inactive if the Giants don't deem him fully ready to contribute.
14:03If it's not by the opener, my sense is it won't be long until Najee is RB2.
14:08From there, workload distribution will depend on the performances of Najee Harris and Cam Scadaboo.
14:13It wouldn't surprise me if Harris becomes a lead back at some point this season.
14:17That's from Dan Duggan of The Athletic, Dave. Is that kind of what you're thinking?
14:22Yeah. And it's not just those two guys, but Tyrone Tracy still has talent that the Giants can use.
14:28And Devin Singletary has worked as their hurry-up offense running back.
14:31And they're going to mix and match these guys.
14:34There could be a world where Scadaboo starts games and could be in line for some short yardage goal line work.
14:41But Najee spells him a bunch. And that Singletary plays on third downs.
14:45And that Tyrone Tracy spells him sometimes. We've seen Greg Roman use multiple running backs before when he hasn't had a guy.
14:52I don't know if they feel like they have a guy right now.
14:56And so when training camp started, Scadaboo was somebody that I was targeting in round three.
15:01Remember, I used to come on the show and say, the easiest thing in the world to do is draft Scadaboo and draft Tyrone Tracy.
15:08Well, now there's two other guys in this backfield that might end up mattering.
15:13And I've just basically abandoned that plan. And now I'm not even that excited to draft Scadaboo unless I'm really in need of a low-end RB2.
15:21Well, now he's going at the 4-5 turn, Cam Scadaboo.
15:24That's better. It's crazy, right? He's been one of the biggest followers we've seen.
15:28Do you consider him a big follower, Jamie? I'm just going by his ADP.
15:33But in your rankings? My rankings, he's fallen, yeah.
15:35He was probably at the start of camp somewhere around RB15, and now he's 24.
15:40Oh, wow. He's still RB19 over the last two days in NFC, which is 61 drafts.
15:45But the funny thing is, and most of our drafts have happened the last eight days in terms of how many drafts have happened on CBS.
15:53And Cam Scadaboo still has the 36th highest ADP at 38th overall.
15:57Ahead of T. Higgins, Brees Hall, Ladd McConkie, Colston Loveland, Lamar Jackson, Ted O'McMillan.
16:01Yeah, well... Yeah, that's a little too high. I've been drafting with Giants fans, so I saw him go 10th in a draft.
16:08In a draft? I hope the people that took him early get rewarded.
16:13I mean, there's still a lot of talent and a lot of opportunity.
16:17For sure. You know, I think as the guys have said, it's going to be crowded.
16:22But, you know, you said this many a time, Adam, throughout the Najee Harris signing and Tyrone Tracy and whatever's going on with him, etc.
16:29Like, the Giants would be stupid not to give Scadaboo the majority of touches.
16:34We'll see if that plays out in all the important touches for us.
16:38You know, I know, obviously, Dan, our colleague Dan Schneiers, is tied into the Giants from a, you know, podcast perspective that he does on his own.
16:46And, you know, he pays attention to that team as much as anybody.
16:50He was just... I saw him post something, you know, about they'd be stupid not to use Tracy in some capacity because
16:57he thinks he's their most explosive running back. You know, so it's really one of these, you know, maybe the most ambiguous
17:04backfield in terms of how we can, you know, see it comparatively to having a guy that we are still seeing get drafted at such a high level.
17:13And what I mean by that is, you know, you can say the Steelers, this, that, they're getting drafted close together.
17:19The Commanders guys, there's, you know, there's questions, but they don't go that far apart.
17:24You know, the Carolina guys may end up getting closer to each other or have been closer to each other the last
17:31couple of days because of Chuba getting healthy, you know, on and on.
17:35This is one where Scadaboo goes so significantly ahead of everybody else in that backfield.
17:39And you may just win by taking a waiver wire move on Najee Harris or still because we've seen Tyrone Tracy not
17:46get drafted in a lot of leagues now. Like, those would be the two I think you just kind of, if you
17:53want to take a dart throw on who could still have value, those would be the ones that I would take shots on.
18:00Yeah, two things. Well, I was just going to say, Dave, you can tie this in.
18:05That's kind of what's going on with everyone in round five, right?
18:09Like, David Montgomery is going way ahead of Woody Marks.
18:12Jadarian Price is going way ahead of George Helani, who's not even rostered in most leagues.
18:17Bejal Tootin is going way ahead of Chris Rodriguez.
18:20I do think you could argue that in all of those instances, it shouldn't be that way.
18:25But Scadaboo is not really in round five. Four or five turn.
18:29Right. He's even ahead of them. On some sides and not on ours.
18:33Yeah, yeah. I don't know what to make of that.
18:36But let me, Dave, you can talk. Real-time ADP for Scadaboo is 42nd.
18:40So, yeah, probably. He's probably around four. Okay, so that's getting closer.
18:44Mid-round four, yeah. Right, right, right. It's getting closer to the four or five turn.
18:49Two things. Number one, we can't sit here and say, oh, you've got to worry about Najee Harris and Tyrone Tracy and Devin Singletary.
18:56I mean, it's Najee Harris, Tyrone Tracy, and Devin Singletary.
18:59There is a pathway where Scadaboo can blow those three guys out of the water and just work as an alpha running back.
19:06So, I'm wrong for saying what I said earlier.
19:09There's certainly a pathway for Scadaboo to be awesome.
19:12Number two, if we're going to talk about things that Scadaboo said, yes, he told somebody, I don't remember who, about the 20-plus touch comment from John Harbaugh.
19:21He also told Kay Adams that he was considering retirement this offseason after his injury last year.
19:26And he said that he came into the NFL thinking he would quit if he had one big injury.
19:32And he had one big injury, and obviously he decided not to quit.
19:36But that was an interesting comment. Yeah, I considered retirement this offseason too, Dave.
19:40And then I was like, you know what? I can't retire.
19:44And you didn't do it? Damn it. That's what Cam Scadaboo was like.
19:48You know what? That'd be pretty stupid if I retired, I think.
19:51No, I know a different scenario. But that doesn't matter.
19:55What round was he drafted again? Fourth round, I believe.
19:58Fourth round. He's one of the earliest. Keith, does this go to your theory of day three, day two running backs that get new coaches, coordinators?
20:06That has been the working theory for the last few years, is that if you're a day three running back and the
20:13coaching staff likes you and then the coaching staff stays, you're probably safe.
20:17And the coaching staff changes, and you're maybe not.
20:19Yeah, but the coaching staff didn't draft a running back.
20:23I know they signed Najee, but... They sure tried.
20:25They tried just about everything they could to get a running back this offseason.
20:30And they didn't walk them. Yeah. They wanted to train them.
20:33They wanted to draft one. I think what Dan Duggan wrote is true.
20:37He's going to get the opportunity, and it's up to Skadaboo to be good in the first couple of games.
20:43It's really important. For a lot of these guys, it's important to get out there and get off to a fast start.
20:50All right. Anyway, you shouldn't take him in the third round and probably shouldn't be taking him in the fourth round, I guess.
20:57Let's see if we can get closer to that four or five turner into round five for Skadaboo.
21:03And we still don't know about Malik Neighbors. Let me tell you for week one against Dallas on Sunday night, not Monday night.
21:10Podcast programming. Tuesday, I think we're going to do some bold predictions.
21:14We have CBS Sports Network at noon Eastern. Maybe Wednesday's bold predictions.
21:18I don't remember. But Tuesday, we're going to give you a preview for Wednesday night football.
21:23Wednesday, we'll give you a preview, start or sit for Thursday night football.
21:27And then for the rest of the year, Thursday and Friday are going to be our start or sit episodes.
21:33Tuesday is going to be waiver wire. Wednesday is going to be kind of like trades, buy low, sell high and things like that.
21:40Monday is going to be a Beyond the Box score special with me, Dan and Jacob.
21:45And Sunday night, we're going to recap the action.
21:48Also, we'll have a Friday mailbag that we'll publish on Saturday.
21:52So I think most of you know it, but if you don't, we...
21:56Sunday morning. Sunday morning, yeah. Well, Sunday morning, we have youtube.com slash fantasy football today.
22:00A live stream from 11 to 1. And also Dave, Jamie and Heath are going to be on CBS Sports HQ.
22:07Basically from 11 to 1, I think. Yeah, 12 to 1.
22:1012 to 1? Okay. We're also going to have a weekly Wednesday YouTube only show with Scott Turner.
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25:57Literally always. I went in the ocean for an extended period of time yesterday.
26:01Kept my Whoop on. Love it. Perfectly fine. No problem.
26:05All right, risers and fallers. We'll tell you some of the guys who have, I guess, really jumped or fallen over the last month or so.
26:13It basically, a little bit of a summary of the big storylines of draft season.
26:17Dave, Jared Goff and Brock Purdy were risers for you and they're both going, you know, similarly.
26:23It goes Brock Purdy right now is QB 13.
26:25Come on, Dave. Brock Purdy is QB 13 in the real-time ADP, 109th overall, then Bo Nix, then Jared Goff.
26:32Too low. I think it actually goes Purdy, it goes Bo Nix, Brock Purdy, Jackson Dart, Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, 12 through 16 or something like that.
26:40But Dave, Purdy and Goff are the risers for you.
26:43I'm definitely leaving Brock for Heath because I know that he's excited to talk about him and he's gotten me excited about
26:50Brock Purdy with all the analysis that he's done.
26:53With Goff, it's about the Lions defense not really improving the injuries in the secondary.
26:57The Terry and Arnold release, that stuff makes me nervous about their defense being particularly good.
27:02It means their offense is going to have to throw a lot, put up a lot of points to win games.
27:09I'm much more confident in the offensive line than I was a month ago.
27:13It sounds like right tackle, their rookie right tackle is going to end up being a good player.
27:19I'm still fairly bullish on the interior offensive line.
27:22I know that's a problem for Goff when he's pressured.
27:25He's not very good, but I think they'll work around it until they get their center back.
27:30How do you get frustrated or nervous about a quarterback when four of his top targets are being taken with top 70
27:37picks in fantasy drafts, including two in the first round?
27:40It's Gibbs. It's Amon Ross St. Brown. You know the names.
27:44Jameson Williams, Sam Laporta. Heath, I think you've heard of Sam Laporta.
27:47Goff is going to have a bunch of opportunities to throw a ton.
27:51That's usually going to lead to good numbers. He does have some games in his past where he's thrown a lot and not put up huge numbers.
28:00I know he doesn't run. I'm not drafting him to be a top five fantasy quarterback, but if he has a special
28:07year like Stafford just had, he will finish his one.
28:10I actually happen to have where I had these guys ranked in February.
28:14Okay. And I can tell you where I have them right now.
28:18I had Purdy 14th and Goff 15th. And now I believe I have Goff 11th and Purdy 12th, both of them ahead of my homes.
28:25Ramondre Stevenson is a riser for Dave, and I assume he's a riser for everyone.
28:30Kind of obvious reasons why. And honestly, he was a riser even before Travion Henderson missed a bunch of practice time.
28:37We've said this so many times. The reports out of New England were that Ramondre was improving his game and that Travion had not improved his game.
28:45Ramondre was 28th for me at one point in February, and now I believe he's a top 24 running back.
28:51And if you look at recent ADP, Ramondre's RB 25, in those 61 NFC drafts over the last two days, guess who's RB 26?
28:59Travion Henderson. Still super close. The real-time ADP is, I think Henderson, I think they're also back-to-back, but yeah, but Henderson's still ahead of Ramondre.
29:06So round five for Ramondre? Yeah. Six. I prefer six, but if running backs are flying off the board and you want
29:13somebody who looks like could handle every single touch in week one and then still be the 1A after that, Ramondre's the guy to look at.
29:21Let's do another bit, Adam. Oh, good, because the first one worked out so well.
29:26The first one's locked in. We got all the terms agreed to.
29:30We've got enough time. Two and a half days we can agree to terms.
29:34Ramondre outscores Cam Scadaboo in week one and full season.
29:37I'm going to take Scadaboo in week one. I don't know about full season.
29:42I would obviously draft. I mean, yeah, I guess I have to.
29:45I'm drafting Scadaboo over Ramondre. But week one in Seattle is brutal.
29:49It's not. Remember, they give up the pass catching.
29:52They do. He had seven carries for 23 yards in the Super Bowl and still scored 18 and a half PPR.
29:58Yeah, that touchdown. He scored a late touchdown with about two minutes and 15 seconds left.
30:03The ball almost hit the ground. But Travion Henderson played in that game, actually.
30:08Yep. I think Travion Henderson ran one route on third down or something.
30:12So Ramondre, you know, I don't know. There's nothing else I can grow.
30:16I can think of something. Oh, man. I don't know if I like this conversation.
30:21Yeah, me either. So Ramondre is a riser. Would you rather have Ramondre Stevenson or Jadari in price?
30:26Ramondre. Ramondre. I think I have price a little higher.
30:29Let me double check that. I might not. Let's see if Dave has probably know these things.
30:35Let's see if Dave has Jaden Reed higher than Jamie has Jaden Reed.
30:39Dave has Jaden. I don't know. I've got Ramondre a spot ahead of price.
30:43Dave has Jaden Reed. No, I'm deferring to Jamie on this one, too.
30:47All right. Well, how high do you have him?
30:50Because you put him as a riser. He's he's a number four wide receiver for me, but he could certainly finish the
30:57year as a number two and is one of my favorite players to go after in the middle of late rounds.
31:03Jamie, Jaden Reed. Round eight. Round eight. OK, he's going one hundred and fifth overall.
31:08That's the nine ten turn in the real time ADP just ahead of Josh Downs.
31:13And that is someone that we we liked a lot.
31:16Haven't really talked about him a ton lately, but we talked about him a lot a month ago.
31:21Jaden Reed or Josh Downs? Downs for me, but it's close and they're both in that.
31:26Downs to me is that round eight guy in full PPR and Reed is more round eight, nine.
31:32So they're close. Jamie, Heath. Reed. Yeah, I've got downs.
31:35I'm like the excited. I've kind of gotten more excited about Jaden Reed and remembered how awesome he was.
31:41And it's just made me think more that we're getting one hundred and five Christian Watson targets, ninety five Tucker craft targets,
31:48ninety Jaden Reed targets and eighty five Matthew Golden targets.
31:51And that might be the best case scenario if the Packers run game isn't good this year.
31:56And I'm just not that excited about that. Yeah.
31:59Remember, there's a world where either Marshawn Lloyd is great or Jacobs comes back and he's running the ball well and that'll kill the upside for these guys.
32:08That's the thing is Jacobs didn't even run the ball that well last year.
32:12In the second half, no. The first half, I thought he was pretty good.
32:16They just kept doing it. Yeah. Well, you had banged up Jordan Love in the second half of the season.
32:23You had bad Josh Jacobs second half of the season and banged up Josh Jacobs second half of the season.
32:29I just, I'm kind of hoping and just hearing from people in Green Bay that we may have a more pass-happy offense.
32:36And the last time we had a pass-happy offense was a big year for Jaden Reed.
32:41It was 2023. It was a big year for Jordan Love, his best season so far as a fantasy quarterback and he
32:48attempted 34 passes per game that year. So I'm kind of hoping we see that the last two years he's been under 30 pass attempts per game.
32:56And Heath is right. Like we haven't seen a concentrated passing attack but we also don't have a very robust receiving core
33:03like we've had the last couple of years for the Packers.
33:06So you got three receivers that hopefully will get their opportunities.
33:10So I don't think it's much more than the numbers he said but I do think it's a little bit more so
33:16maybe bump Watson up to 120 and the other two guys around 100.
33:21That's still probably kind of what you might get with the Colts offense too because I don't think that's going to be the most pass-happy offense either.
33:29So I think we get maybe a similar type of pass volume for those guys.
33:34And so I don't listen I'm not going to argue Downs versus Reed.
33:38I think they're both kind of similar type players that we've seen some great moments.
33:42We've seen some good moments and we've seen some crappy moments.
33:46And you're counting on you know at least on one hand I trust Jordan Love a lot more than I do Daniel Jones.
33:53I know Jones was great last year but I just think that Jordan Love's ceiling is significantly higher.
33:59So for me I'm going to take Reed. They're almost back to back.
34:03I think I have Reed at 39 and Downs I think is 41.
34:07Yeah. Downs I feel like I mean look he scored five touchdowns on 107 targets two years ago.
34:12Four touchdowns on 88 targets. I feel like touchdowns could be an issue for him.
34:17So maybe he's better in full PPR. Reed you know gets the rushing which doesn't count in full.
34:22I mean the yards count but that doesn't help him as much in full PPR.
34:27Maybe it's a full PPR versus nine and half scenario with those two guys.
34:32But what about the John Dajon Stribling Dave and where does he factor in right now he's going after Reed and and
34:38Josh Downs and the fantasy pros real time ADP but he's a riser for you.
34:43Dajon Stribling. He went from not even being in my top 200 to being right around pick 100 and it's just because
34:50he's the youngest and newest and potentially will never be double covered as long as everybody's relatively healthy in the 49ers passing offense.
34:57Evans old guy. Samuel old guy. I should call him Debo.
35:00Debo old guy. Kittle old guy coming back from an Achilles.
35:04Stribling young guy who was fast-tracked in preseason games and got a crazy amount of targets based on his snaps and obviously
35:11that's not going to be that no one can believe that that's going to happen in games but he's going to play
35:18a lot and he could be a matchup problem in the slot for San Francisco and I I like Purdy.
35:24I think Purdy's going to have a good year.
35:27I think he's going to throw plenty and Stribling is going to be one of those benefactors of it.
35:33Love getting him for my bench too but I would take downs ahead of him.
35:37I would take Jaden Reed ahead of him and even guys like Jalen Coker, Matthew Golden, those guys I would take ahead
35:44of Stribling too but he's an interesting name and he's kind of fun so looking for him in that round nine range for sure.
35:52It's not round 10. He is young on this team but it's kind of funny that Dejan Stribling is one of the
35:58oldest wide receivers from the draft class. Yeah, but he's like a baby.
36:02Do you think and I could just be completely wrong on this but I still think that Stribling needs an injury.
36:09Oh, to really take off? Of course. But that's why I'm drafting him in like round nine or ten.
36:15To matter? Well, I mean the thing is with the Packers and the Niners are similar.
36:20It's like if a guy gets a hundred targets, their offenses are so efficient and that you know that they could matter.
36:27But I don't think he's getting a hundred targets if Evans and Debo and Kittle and McCaffrey are healthy.
36:33I think you're spot on with that but if there's a team you want to bet on with somebody getting hurt at
36:40that position or those positions, you know, they've already put Pierce Hall on IR, Christian Kirk on IR, Pierce Hall out for the season.
36:47You know, like Dave said, Kittle, we don't know what his role is going to be, you know, coming back from the
36:54injury that we're just excited that he's playing. We won.
36:57And the same thing with Evans. Like, you know, those two guys, you know, just where they're at right now.
37:03And so it doesn't appear to be that Debo is going to be that much of a factor in the passing game.
37:10That could obviously change as the season goes on.
37:13But I think if you're just making a bet on a wide receiver handcuff essentially or a wide receiver lottery ticket, like
37:20this is one of the best bets you can make because he's looked good.
37:24As Adam said, he doesn't need a lot of opportunities to be successful.
37:28We've seen a lot of different, you know, things happen with rookie receivers.
37:32We're young receivers in this offense. You know, Brandon Ayoub being probably the best example that, you know, having some great moments
37:39as a rookie and then kind of getting back in the doghouse in his second year.
37:44And maybe that's just kind of who he is after what we're seeing.
37:48But there's just such an easy path to success here if that happens.
37:52And, you know, we talked about this last week, like they've done, you know, I remember, I think it was after the
37:59first preseason game, it was like of the 20 snaps he played, it was like almost half and half inside outside of just moving him around.
38:07To give him, I think, the opportunities to play a variety of roles just in case they need him to.
38:13So it, it, it's a, it's a great stash with potential to be more right away.
38:18But I think, you know, you're just kind of hoping like, oh, if Evans misses time and he's been banged up the
38:25last few years, or if, you know, they, they can't find a good complimentary option.
38:30Like he's got huge upside. And one of the things that I've seen from the wide receivers who get drafted late, you
38:37know, I usually use round nine or later, which pick 97 and end up being good.
38:42How do we predict them? Well, unfortunately, a lot of them really benefit from injuries and you just can't really predict that Brian Thomas jr.
38:49Perfect example of that. And like Wanda Robinson and Michael Wilson last year, perfect example of that.
38:55So it's hard to predict it, but you just have to like, I guess my point with stripling would be if there
39:02are, if there is an injury for the most, or even to for the oldest, most injury prone substation team in the
39:08NFL, like he, this could definitely be one of those guys that smashes his ADP.
39:13And unfortunately, look, it's totally realistic that you draft Dejan stripling.
39:16He does nothing in week one against the, in a super tough matchup.
39:21You drop them. And four weeks later, he's great.
39:23That happens all the time, but maybe that doesn't happen.
39:26Try to be patient. All right, let's go to Heath's risers here.
39:30Marshawn Lloyd. We already talked about him and real quick, when would you take Lloyd?
39:35Round seven. Mike Washington, a riser for you. And, you know, I think the fact that we're all kind of expecting now
39:42that Ashton Jendi is going to play week one.
39:44So if you have a draft this final week, you'll get Mike Washington a little bit more reasonable than he was for a couple of days.
39:53But I, I think this guy was so good in the preseason and he is a guy that Kubiak drafted after already having Ashton Jendi on the team.
40:01I view him as one of those guys. It's like a boom bust flex when Jendi is healthy.
40:07And as we saw already, Jendi could miss time.
40:10If he does, Mike Washington's a must start running back.
40:13And so he's still, even with Jendi getting to what looks like back to week one, still one of the top handcuff running backs.
40:20For me, it's kind of like when Coram and Mononga come off the board, I'm going to start considering Washington, a talented
40:27guy with almost no competition outside of Ashton Jendi.
40:30Did you, uh, did you happen to hear what Ran Carthon said about Mike Washington?
40:35I did not. So Ran Carthon, former general manager of the Titans, does the first pick podcast that Adam doesn't know about.
40:41It's called with the first pick. Sorry, with the first pick, excuse me, uh, with Ryan Wilson.
40:47It's great. They do a lot of draft coverage, but also get into a lot of stuff that goes on in the NFL, uh, currently.
40:55And Ran said, I think it was this past week.
40:58Uh, I saw the clip on, on social media that Mike Washington is a better fit for the Raiders offense than Ashton Jendi.
41:05Now that doesn't mean he's going to play over Ashton Jendi.
41:08That's better than Ashton Jendi. He's just a better fit for what he does and what this offense is asking their running backs to do.
41:16And so Ran also, also, by the way, former NFL running back played for the Colts.
41:21Um, we'll find out if that's the case, I do think, I remember saying this after the draft with Kubiak that are we going to see the Seahawks?
41:30And it was just so dominant for Jendi last year that Raheem Mostert, who was their number two running back, barely played.
41:37I'm going to guess he had probably the highest percentage of touches of any running back on his team last season.
41:43And now we have this opening from Jendi being hurt and the way Washington looked.
41:48Does Kubiak get his chance to use a two back system and take some pressure off of Jendi?
41:53So you got to be a little bit concerned about Jendi, even if he is a hundred percent.
41:59And I think it's a great call by Heath.
42:02You know, I'm sure we've all moved him up to a certain degree based on where it was.
42:07I know Heath was sort of ahead of the curve on this, that this could be a potential flex.
42:13You know, there's always these guys like you mentioned to those Corum and Manonga, like we may get, we may get flex
42:20production while the starter quote unquote starter is healthy.
42:23And then you get that lottery ticket. Boom. If the starter does go down, I keep forgetting to bring this guy up.
42:30It's not really relevant to this conversation, but got an email about him.
42:34It's relevant to this conversation, not this topic. Got an email about him and never read it.
42:39I don't think, but do you guys think Dylan Sampson is going to be someone that could give us flex production based
42:46on his role with the Browns, Dylan Sampson? I don't know that the Browns will have enough offensive success for that to happen.
42:53I think they're like Judkins is their best offensive player and they're just going to want to keep him on the field
43:00to try to keep the offense alive, but maybe.
43:03Okay. All right. Let's get back to Heath. So you got it.
43:07Well, if you, if you, if you like just the PPR guys, so like Gainwell, Rashad White, TyJ Spears, like Dylan Sampson's
43:13in that mold, but at the very end of that group.
43:17Man, you said if you like, and I almost just started singing Pina Coladas right there.
43:22But Heath, Chris Godwin is your next riser. He's almost like the FFT darling, like the, the community riser here.
43:28We are excited about him. He's going 88th right now in that real-time ADP as wide receiver 35.
43:34How about you, Heath? I just want you to know that while I was at the beach yesterday, I did have a Pina Colada.
43:41So you'd be happy to, I do like Pina Coladas.
43:44Yeah, I was, I was pretty out on Chris Godwin a month ago and it's been very encouraging.
43:50Camp reports as I think Jamie made the joke about last week.
43:54He's an old guy who got through training camp healthy.
43:57That was your joke. I'm, I'm still behind Jamie on him, but I'm now ahead of ADP.
44:02Happy to draft Chris Godwin in round seven. If he gets there, I think he's a, he's a good wide receiver three.
44:09That might be a wide receiver two in week one or better.
44:13If a Mecca Buka is not healthy. Parker Washington, a riser for you.
44:17Is this reluctantly? Uh, right now he's going 66th overall.
44:20That is round six wide receiver 29. So I'm ahead of Parker Washington's ADP apparently now too, but I never get, I
44:27never get, I think I've drafted him twice in 20 drafts, but, uh, no, you don't have a choice.
44:33Like the choice is how much do you want to react to Parker Washington?
44:37Not if you react to Parker Washington, it's been one of it's either going to be one of the most hilarious rounds
44:44of coach speak that we've ever had, or he's the most obvious breakout ever.
44:48Those are pretty much the only two options, not just coach speak reporter speak to, and that was kind of the thing
44:55is like every reporter has been Parker Washington. If Luther Burden had not gotten hurt, it might've been a, uh, a close
45:02battle between Parker Washington and Luther Burden for like the most positive vibes of the off season.
45:07But because burden missed a month, I think Washington was easily the, uh, the darling of, of the off season and Dalton
45:14Schultz, the last riser on this list for you currently tight end 18 in between Hunter Henry and Brenton strange two picks
45:21after two tight end picks after Juwan Johnson. I would like to draft Dalton Schultz before all of those guys.
45:27Thankfully, I don't have to a lot of times he's, I mean, I look today, he's available in 49% of leagues.
45:34Some leagues haven't drafted yet. So maybe that's why, but he's going to be available.
45:38He's going to be on the waiver wire column for sure.
45:42I would think, um, he's, he had 106 targets last year.
45:45They lost more target competition than they gained. He's the guy that CJ Stroud trusts when Nico Collins is not open and
45:52he has a chance to be 110 plus targets this year.
45:55He does have the worst based on last year, the worst week one matchup with Buffalo.
46:00Things could change, but Buffalo was terrific at covering tight ends.
46:04They smother tight ends. You'd not give up a lot of short, easy throws, but they don't have Sean McDermott anymore.
46:10I don't know what that's going to look like here.
46:13So I would guess a completely different defensive system.
46:16Yeah, could be. Yeah. They're changing their front. So there's definitely going to be a change.
46:21guys, because of what has transpired post NFL draft.
46:24Like you, you thought Jaden Higgins was going to be this potential breakout guy.
46:28We had Chris Harris, you know, Harris football saying that that was one of his favorite breakouts.
46:34I think a lot of people were thinking he's going to have a big role and tank Dell was going to be healthy.
46:41And then we see both those guys starting the season and I are Higgins out for the year.
46:46We thought Jordan Tyson was going to be a big piece of the Saints offense.
46:51Another tight end and Jawan Johnson, who was awesome at the end of last season for fantasy managers, given the cost.
46:58Like these are just two. Okay. Holy cow. I whiffed on the, on, on tight end because somebody took two and I don't know who to draft.
47:06Like these two guys are great. He may not have the best, may not have the best matchups week in, week out,
47:13but yeah, you know, under the circumstances, like they're easy fallback options.
47:17If he's going to get six targets, if if, sorry, Adam, if, if Schultz is going to get six or more targets,
47:24he had 10 of those games last year, 11 plus PPR and seven of them.
47:28Nice. So that's what you got to hope for.
47:31You have to worry about, well, does the tenor of this offense change because David Montgomery's there?
47:36They should be able to run the ball a little bit more effectively.
47:40Guys like Jalen Noel and Kayshaun booty are going to get bigger opportunities.
47:44Booty obviously just got acquired by the Texans from new England.
47:48Are they going to take targets away from Schultz?
47:51Schultz is kind of boring, but if, if you see a pathway to him getting six plus targets per game, I think,
47:57you know, the numbers will be there. Okay. I'm not sure booty.
48:01I'm not sure booty and Schultz will ever be within 30 yards of each other on a route.
48:07That's true. Um, I'm going to scrimmage. Kayshaun booty is like a gunner on special teams.
48:12All right. We'll be right back, um, with more Jamie's risers and then our followers.
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50:40Find out how much at Airbnb.com slash host. And Jamie's got a couple of risers to talk about.
50:46Jordan Love, who is in real-time ADP, QB 18, 140th overall.
50:49And Quinton Johnston, who is now wide receiver 41, going just ahead of Jaden Reed.
50:54He also had Ramondre Stevenson on the list, but we talked about that.
50:58But Jordan Love, do you have him higher than QB 18?
51:01Yes. And I would take him ahead of Patrick Holmes.
51:04Woo-wee. Okay. Would you take him ahead of Kyler Murray?
51:07No. They're back-to-back. Okay. How about Quinton Johnston versus Jaden Reed?
51:11Quinton Johnston over Jaden Reed. I think you're looking at a guy for the last two seasons has scored eight touchdowns and
51:18got off to such a great start last year.
51:20The first four games of the season, at least 14.9 PPR points per game, averaged 19.9 PPR points in those four games.
51:27Joe Alt was healthy for all four of those games.
51:30So healthy offensive line. I think Rashawn Slater back.
51:33There's a, there's a path to a lot of production in this offense.
51:37And this was one, you know, you've kind of framed this in a way that I didn't necessarily mean to put Quinton Johnston on.
51:45This isn't somebody that's been a significant riser. It's just been somebody that's slowly risen after the last couple of weeks, not
51:52necessarily moved a ton, but just somebody I get more excited about.
51:55So I would actually look for him in round six at this point.
51:59Like I think when Johnston could get to that thousand and 10 mark that we love his max so far has been again, eight touchdowns, 775 yards.
52:08The way that Mike McDaniel talks about him and the fact that I hope he stays healthy.
52:13I love it banged up in camp. It just feels like Latin McConkie and Quinton Johnston are both have big years.
52:20He averaged 11.8 PPR points per game last year.
52:22And that was his average even after his big four games that Jamie just talked about in 2024.
52:28He averaged 11.7. So if we just look at this guy and say, okay, he's close to 12 PPR points just in
52:35a normal year for the Chargers without a genius play caller, then maybe there's a chance there that he can get a
52:42little bit better than that and could be worth the round six back.
52:46I'd like some odds on Quinton Johnston outscoring Ladd McConkie for a second straight year.
52:50You're the guy that does this. You put the odds out there.
52:54No, I want to add him to give him so I can make him make it better, but you're the professional.
53:01Yeah, I'm bad at giving odds for if anybody wants to be inspired.
53:05My podcast league team picking fifth 14 team league.
53:08I went running back heavy McCaffrey Bowers, Travis, ETN, HN and Cam Scadaboo and my two starting wide receivers.
53:14I'm sure I was the last person to take a wide receiver.
53:17Chris Godwin 61st overall Quentin Johnston 80th overall. Jamie loves my team.
53:21I really do. It's too great. Too great wide receivers in that type of format to get at that point.
53:27You'd love to have a little bit of a better guy at the top of that.
53:32I can give you a similar situation in our 18 team office.
53:36I think it's 18 team, 18 team office league where you start one quarterback, one running back, one wide receiver, tight end and two flexes.
53:44I have Garrett Wilson, Chris Godwin and Quentin Johnston.
53:47Yeah. Great. Love it. Okay. And Jane Reed. Oh, okay.
53:50On your, on your bench. Jane Reed. Yeah. Fallers here.
53:53Then we might retire it after this one, but Jamie's faller is.
53:57I don't know. Maybe it's run its course, but Jeremiah Love hasn't run anything yet, but yeah, he's, he's currently going 30th
54:03in the real time ADP and the NFC ADP.
54:06Let's see where he's going here. He's going 37th.
54:09Where would you take Jeremiah Love? Yeah. In that range, 37th.
54:12He's around four pick early round four pick for me.
54:16I'm just a little concerned with the ankle injury on top of all the other things that could go wrong for the Cardinals.
54:23He's an amazing talent. And I think you're going to get a lot of highlight plays and some big games, but their schedule is awful.
54:30Their win total is not expected to be very high.
54:34There's going to be Tyler Algier taking touchdowns, which is nerve wracking.
54:37We'll see if James Connor gets healthy and plays at some point.
54:41So if you want to draft him in round three and you look at that group of running backs, Javante Williams, Kyron
54:48Williams, Travis Achan, DeAndre Swift, Brees Hall, like he's in that conversation for sure.
54:52You know, whether you want him at the front of it or the back of it.
54:57For me, he's in front of all those guys.
55:00I'm sorry, he's behind all those guys except for Brees Hall.
55:03So I just think with Swift having no Mononghi and Achan having no Kamara early in the season, that gives those guys
55:10a little bit of a leg up and they're on much better offenses.
55:14And then it's just a matter of just how much does the talent of Jeremiah Love exceed all of those other players?
55:21So I'm just a little bit cautious. I haven't drafted him very much.
55:25I think I haven't been maybe one league. I just did my week one projections this weekend and we're going to have our rankings on the site tomorrow.
55:34I don't have Jeremiah Love as a top 24 running back this week.
55:38Yeah, I don't know if I'll be there either.
55:41You know, like this is one where you're talking Marshawn Lloyd and Ramondre Stevenson and guys that, you know, could be in a much better standing than him.
55:50I don't know if Ramondre's in a much better situation, but without Trevion, I take him over to Jeremiah.
55:55Oh, I mean, I'll give you I mean over Jeremiah Love.
55:59Yeah, I guess so. But I mean, tomorrow or Tuesday, whatever, I'll give you plenty of running backs who had a ton
56:06of touches against Seattle and did absolutely garbage. They didn't play on the Patriots.
56:10I mean, I think B. John Robinson might have been one of them.
56:14I mean, I could be confusing with the Patriots defense because their run defense was even better than Seattle's when Milton Williams was healthy.
56:22But these were two of the toughest matchups in fantasy for running backs last year.
56:26OK, moving on. Carnell Tate currently going 77th in between Marvin Harrison Jr.
56:30and DK Metcalf. You Carnell Tate a follower for you.
56:33Jamie. Carnell Tate's a follower just with the way the Titans offense has looked like this is this is one, you know,
56:40how you how you set this up beginning of camp was willing to take the risk on him in round six, like top rookie wide receiver.
56:48They needed this type of player, special talent, and he still might be.
56:52I have a feeling second half of the season, he's going to look a lot better.
56:57But right now the Titans look lost. And there's just a lot of like I'd rather have Quinn Johnston and Jaden Reed
57:04than Carnell Tate, which is something I never thought I'd say.
57:08OK, and Terry McLaurin wide receiver 24 right now going 55th in between Devante Adams and Luther Burden.
57:13Terry McLaurin, a follower for you. Yeah, you know, first off the dig signing, you know that that was a an issue.
57:20You know, it was it was great when there was the path to whatever David Blau said, you know, the 10 targets per game.
57:28Hopefully that's still the case. But now you have offensive line concerns.
57:31You have target concerns. It's just hard to say that Terry McLaurin at 31 years old is that exciting.
57:37So I think he's a good settle for number two wide receiver.
57:41Still has the upside to be a top 20 guy.
57:44But this was somebody I remember the fishbowl. I drafted him.
57:48Fourth, fourth or fifth round. You know, I forget how it all played out.
57:52But like as my second receiver was like so excited about the opportunity.
57:56You know, that was a draft that was in early, early middle, middle of August, I think early August.
58:02So since camp, it's just been a slow slide.
58:05Like I'd rather have Devante Adams than than Terry McLaurin.
58:08I never would have said that at start camp.
58:11Okay, good stuff. Jeremiah Love, Carnell Tate and Terry McLaurin as followers for Jamie.
58:15Heath has Chuba Hubbard as a follower. He's currently looking at that fantasy pros real time.
58:20He's still just ahead of of Josh Jacobs, which I think.
58:23Well, you tell me if you agree with it, but also ahead of Jonathan Brooks.
58:28Chuba Hubbard is RB 30 right now. What are you thinking about the Panthers backfield?
58:33I don't think that number is accurate. Looking at FFPC drafts from the last two days, he's going 102nd overall, which sounds a little bit more right.
58:41I think he's around nine pick. And the funny thing is Chuba Hubbard's fall.
58:46I wasn't necessarily talking entirely about my rankings, but just about the way things are now.
58:50I think his fall has made him a better draft pick than he was a month ago.
58:56A month ago, I didn't want to draft him at all.
58:59And I wanted to draft Jonathan Brooks because he'd be so much cheaper.
59:03And now Chuba might be a slightly better value than Jonathan Brooks, but I still wouldn't take him before round nine.
59:10So if he's actually going 88th overall, I think that's too high, but round nine pick and a chance that maybe he's
59:17just the lead back again at some point. And the latest report we got was that the Panthers were optimistic about Jonathan Brooks being ready for week one.
59:25So we've got to keep that in mind. But yeah, I mean, like guy who's torn his ACL twice and now is
59:32hurt, you know, but it's well, it's soreness. Yeah.
59:35All right. We'll probably find out it was planned like McCaffrey's.
59:38Yeah, exactly. No, it's McKay lemon. He is now going 109th overall in between Michael Pittman and Dajon Stribling.
59:44I thought this guy was right in the conversation, right behind Jordan Tyson and Carnell Tate.
59:49And I guess he's still in the conversation in between them now because Jordan Tyson's out for a lot longer, but you
59:56never like it when rookie wide receivers miss a bunch of time in camp.
60:01And it sounds like the expectation should be week one that Don Tavian Wicks is the wide receiver two on his team.
60:07I don't think that's going to last very long.
60:10And again, lemon probably now a better pick than he was when his ADP was higher.
60:15Round 10 seems about right. I would rather draft him.
60:18I don't, I'm not drafting Michael Pittman and I would draft him over Dajon Stribling, but he's one of those guys that you talked about with Stribling.
60:27You might drop him after week one. Yeah. Don't click McKay lemon.
60:30If you're thinking you might drop him after week one, right?
60:34Yes. Like you, you draft him and plan on holding him for six weeks.
60:38Yeah, that's a great point. Tyler Warren is tight end for an ADP.
60:42He's going 50th. That's 15 to 16 picks ahead of Sam Laporta and Tucker.
60:47Absurd. Absurd. So he's a faller for you, Tyler Warren.
60:50Yeah. I don't, I don't think the Keenan Allen news was good news for Sam Laporta.
60:55It was, or for Tyler Warren. It was, it's my way you love.
60:59Well, no, you said Sam Laporta when you're talking about his ADP.
61:03Um, they work in exactly the same part of the field and Laporta has been a little banged up here at the end of camp as well.
61:11And I, I, I said Laporta for Warren again.
61:14Um, didn't want to say anything. Sam Laporta. Yeah.
61:17No, I, I'm just, I would draft both Sam Laporta and Kyle Pitts ahead of Tyler Warren.
61:22And I said all the names correctly that time.
61:25There you go. And a last guy on your list, another faller at tight end, second year tight end for the chargers, a Rondé Laporta.
61:32A Rondé Laporta. Don't, don't do not, do not draft him.
61:36He was super cool last year, but like maybe we'll pick him up on the waiver wire at some point.
61:42Do not draft him. Okay. It might pick up Charlie Kohler.
61:45Yeah. I don't really believe that either. Yeah. Come on.
61:49And the joke, who's got to be the, like the guy who's going to catch.
61:53It's not Charlie Kohler. He's never done that. Yeah.
61:56I mean, remember Colby Parkinson when he never did that?
61:59And then he was the guy last year for the Rams.
62:03I mean, that's sometimes that happens, but you look, you notice that they're not talking about Colby Parkinson this year, right?
62:09Like the guy. No, now they're talking about Tyler Higby.
62:12They're talking about Terrence Ferguson all the time. Ferguson has been hurt and they made Higby a captain.
62:18Well, Higby's being a captain does not increase his fantasy value.
62:21This will be the last thing I say about the FFPC drafts.
62:25Terrence Ferguson's like an eighth round pick. That's kind of crazy.
62:28It's incredible. If he hits, he's going to be crazy.
62:32Listen, I love Terrence Ferguson. You say that literally about everybody.
62:35I would definitely take a flyer on Terrence Ferguson of all the tight ends in Los Angeles.
62:40Yes. But if you look at what these coaches do, like they don't do what we want them to do.
62:47Like we want to see a Rondé Gadsden. We want to see Terrence Ferguson.
62:51And you may get Parkinson or Higby and you may get Charlie Kohler.
62:55Dan just took Terrence Ferguson 151st overall in our elimination league.
62:58And I'm really upset about it because I was hoping to take him with the 153rd pick.
63:04Okay. That's round 13. Not round eight. Yes. Okay.
63:06I mean, I've seen Dejean Shribling go round six.
63:09I'm not going to say who took him, but it's a prominent fantasy analyst in the high stakes league.
63:15So there's some definite people who are like when you love your guy, this speaks to the whole thing that we've talked about before.
63:23When you want your guy, you go get your guy.
63:26Just be a little reasonable about it. Well, when you're in high stakes leagues, you got like if we talked about Shribling hits, that's a huge win.
63:34Right. But there's going to be, you know, two or three other people that you could have taken in that spot in
63:41that round at that ADP that could have been better if they don't hit.
63:45Dave's got up two fallers that he wanted to mention.
63:49Cam Scadaboo we talked about 40 minutes ago and a Mecca, a Buka.
63:53And I feel so sick. The toe. The toe.
63:55I loved a Buka. Top 15 receiver for me.
63:58All off season long. And then he hurts his toe.
64:01And the fact that it's taking him just until now to get back into practice for Tampa and it looks like he'll
64:08be ready to go for week one. It's discouraging.
64:11It makes me worry about him being able to reach his ceiling this year.
64:15Makes me worried about him re-injuring it. It does seem like if he's out this long that it was turf toe.
64:22I guess I'm glad that it happened now because if it happened in season, we'd have to have him on the bench or in an IR spot.
64:30But missing all this camp time, I doubt that he'll be ready to be full go and command targets the same way
64:37that he would if he had been healthy all preseason long.
64:41Nice thing is you got him cheaper though. That's true.
64:44But what do I want to say here? Godwin looked great in the practice.
64:48I saw the reports have been good about Godwin.
64:51Ted Hurst has been making inroads on getting playing time.
64:54Jalen McMillan, who was out with an injury, he's on the same timetable as a Buka.
64:59So this receiving core is getting pretty crowded and Baker loves Ted Hurst.
65:03And he's been talking up Godwin, saying like, this is the best version of Chris Godwin since 2024, which I mean, that dude was pretty amazing in 2024.
65:12And he looked good in camp this year. So I'm a little worried about a Buka being eight targets per game.
65:18And that's what I was kind of expecting before the injury.
65:22And now it's going to be around seven. You're going to get him as a number two wide receiver.
65:28He'll have some blow up weeks. Probably won't be for the first few weeks of the season.
65:33Luther Burden or Emeka Buka? I think you got to go Burden now.
65:37Yep. Yep. Yeah. Burden the hand. You know what they say.
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66:11That is join.whoop.com slash FFT. All right. I'm going to go three minutes for emails here.
66:16You guys ready? Go. Tim in Denver. Hey, Mary, Harry, and Lloyd.
66:20I know that one. Do you? Adam and Adamer.
66:23Oh. Love it. 12-team PPR league where the prior year's champion gets to pick a temporary one-year rule change.
66:29The guy who won last year never wins and pulled off a miracle, and now his rule change is the dumbest rule in the entire world.
66:37We are only allowed to make five acquisitions all year.
66:40So bad. How would this change your strategy, Jamie?
66:43How would it change my strategy? I hope there's a lot of trades.
66:47I would be clearly cautious with the moves I would make, but it just sucks because, like, you can't stream defenses.
66:53You got to worry about your bye weeks. I hate it.
66:57Yeah, but, like, do you take a defense earlier?
67:00Do you take, like, Jonathan Taylor over Puka? Yeah, do you take two defenses?
67:04You get how many bench spots? He said we at least increase the bench size, so it's almost like a best ball league.
67:11Oh, yeah. I mean, in that case, you're taking two defenses.
67:15You're taking two kickers, probably. You're taking, or I would hopefully eliminate kickers in defense if you want to just really make it the best version of this.
67:23But, yeah, you got to be cautious. There you go, Frank.
67:27My strategy would be to leave the league from Frank.
67:30I love it. All right, next question. We'll give us one to Dave.
67:34Hopefully he can get it. Dan would absolutely butcher that answer.
67:37You guys would love, I don't know how much you guys listen, talking to Heath and Dave, like, you guys listen to
67:44the mailbag when we do Fantasy Cops because Dan does not answer the question.
67:49Dan just, I'm going to say it, sorry. No, no, he just craps on the league.
67:54He shits all over the league. Come on! Like, just constantly.
67:57Like, he would just forget about that answer. Just destroy the league.
68:01And does he go on and on for, like, 90 seconds?
68:04Destroying the league. 90 seconds? That reminds me. I need to remove his commissioner access in the Beyond the Box Score Dynasty League.
68:11Yes, there you go. This question is, Dave, I don't have a name or a city here.
68:17Bob from Ogden, Utah. Dear Hillel, Dave, and Josh.
68:19Come on, Dave. It's easy. Hillel? It's not easy.
68:22Hillel is pretty easy, though. Is it? Is it Red Hot Chili Peppers?
68:26These are former Red Hot Chili Peppers guitarists. He read it in the answer.
68:31He read it in the email. He's flexing his RHCP love.
68:34What's your favorite Chili Peppers song? Oh, I don't know any of the names of the songs.
68:39How many times have you seen them live? For those of you curious, I've seen them twice.
68:45We were actually going to do the Beat Chad Smith Leagues again, but we weren't able to make it happen, unfortunately.
68:51So you gave it away now? They felt bad about that, so we'll do it next year.
68:56Oh, man. Oh, the question was, it's for Dave.
68:59What do you do in a league where everyone drafts quarterbacks early?
69:03We always say, wait for a quarterback, wait for a quarterback.
69:06You really can't because you end up with crappy quarterbacks.
69:10Is everybody taking two quarterbacks early? Cook over Jonathan Taylor.
69:13It is not enough for me, but that's the same thing I would say about HN, and it's just because it's not
69:20as if, like, I know James Cook was right behind those guys when you look at the rankings of where guys finished
69:26last year, but he wasn't right behind those guys in terms of fantasy points per game.
69:31It's a pretty big gap. And so, first off, I'm not going to lower Jonathan Taylor just because Daniel Jones might get hurt.
69:39But second off, he would have to make up a pretty big gap.
69:43Right. That's the boogeyman case for Jonathan Taylor. You want the boogeyman case for James Cook?
69:48Okay. I won't give it to you. Yeah, sure.
69:50Go for it. And we'll end the show on that.
69:53385 touches last year. Career high. Yeah. That's a lot for a dude.
69:58835 yards and six touchdowns off the last five rushing leaders.
70:01It's such a random stat. I love it. It's such a random stat.
70:05It's like... Well, what does it take to be the leading rusher in the league?
70:10It takes a lot of work. And so, the year after, there's going to be some regression.
70:15But he barely had more yards in the same amount of carries, basically, as Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry.
70:21It's basically just semantics that he won the rushing title.
70:24Like, are we not afraid that Jonathan Taylor or Derrick Henry are both going to have a 4,000-yard title?
70:30They didn't win the rushing title, Adam Henry. What's that?
70:33They didn't win the rushing title. That's not how it works.
70:36Right. That's what I'm saying. It's like... You know.
70:39All right. We're going to go. I'm sorry you don't understand math.
70:43He was 15 touches short of 400. The rules about 400-touch running backs should probably apply to him.
70:49Right. Exactly. Draft Ray Davis. Everyone sucks. They're all busts.
70:52Everyone's a bust. We'll talk to you on Tuesday, everybody.
70:55Enjoy your day off. And if you're still drafting, good luck.
70:58If not, let's get ready for week one. Talk to you Tuesday on Fantasy Football Today.
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