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0:14What is wrong with the Chargers and Bears offense?
0:17Is Colston Loveland a bust? Is Devon Achan a...
0:19Wait, is...are we just replaying last week's episode? Yeah.
0:22Yeah, not much has changed, huh? And the Chiefs won a primetime game, 33-30.
0:26We'll recap the Chiefs-Colts game, which was a super exciting game.
0:29We've got, I think, you know, it was a pretty bad Sunday for injuries, but hopefully the Monday won't be as bad.
0:35Caleb Williams doesn't seem like a bad injury. It's not a season...
0:38We don't know. Well, that's what they said. This is like a half hour ago.
0:42He escaped a major injury. Mm-hmm. Uh, Jaden Daniels doesn't seem like it's season ending.
0:47We'll see how long he's out. A lot of running back injuries.
0:50We don't have updates there. But today, okay, recap Sunday Night Football.
0:53Yes, we'll talk about the Bears. Yes, we'll talk about the Chargers.
0:57Yes, we'll talk about Achan. And also, George Pickens.
0:59What's going on with George Pickens? His target per outrun rate actually higher than it was last year.
1:04So that is good. The Patriots offense. Bleh. And the rookies.
1:07What are we doing about some of these rookies?
1:10Casey Concepcion, Denzel Boston, Carnell Tate, Jeremiah Love, Jonah Coleman.
1:12You heard Dan. Now here's Jacob. What's up, Jacob?
1:15Hey, hey. Chiefs 2-0. Giants hopefully 2-0 as well.
1:17Soon. Wow. That's right. And I just wonder... You imagine.
1:20Yeah, when's the next time the Chiefs are primetime?
1:23They just don't get enough primetime. Let's see what's going to be.
1:26Week 7. We have three straight weeks of Falcons primetime somehow.
1:29Yeah. Who the heck scheduled that out? Really? Yeah.
1:31Oh, boy. We're stuck with three straight weeks of Falcons primetime.
1:34It's crazy. All right, let's talk about last night's primetime game.
1:38Kansas City 33, Indianapolis 30. I've got a couple...
1:40I've got some easy questions and some hard questions for this game.
1:43Who is the best, just for these two teams, best quarterback rest of season?
1:47Patrick Mahomes. Okay, that was easy. Best running back rest of season?
1:51Kenneth Walker. It's definitely Kenneth Walker. Definitely Kenneth Walker.
1:53Jonathan Taylor is averaging like 28 points per game or something.
1:56I mean, he has been. That offense has been better, especially first, you know, early game script.
2:01But you've got to take Walker right now. If Walker stays healthy, he's like essentially in the mix for RB1 overall.
2:07He's like Jonathan Taylor if he played for a better team and he had him in targets.
2:11And got the targets, yeah. He has three more points than Jonathan Taylor.
2:15Taylor actually has eight targets. Kenneth Walker does have 16 though.
2:18All right, who's the best wide receiver on this team rest of season?
2:22Josh Downs. On all teams? Both teams. Both teams.
2:24I'm going to go over to Rasheed Rice. I was a little bit more enthused than Jacob was with Rice last night.
2:30A little bit. It took one Josh Downs game for me to become completely emboldened again.
2:35He's the best. Well, Pierce is also injured. That's the other thing.
2:38Yeah, Pierce injured and Josh Downs. If you've heard us say on the show, we watch the Josh Downs tape.
2:43This guy gets open all the time. He destroys defensive backs.
2:47I think you saw it. Like if you haven't actually seen it, saw it last night.
2:51It's what he does for a living. I felt so bad for Ligerious Snead.
2:55He's just not ready for that kind of juice at the point in his career.
2:59Also, Downs was really close to scoring on one of those quick hitters that Jones hit him on.
3:04It was just too far behind him. I just don't think he's going to score that much and I don't think he's
3:10going to make a lot of big plays. And also Alec Pierce like that was a big deal.
3:15Alec Pierce going out. Yeah, so huge target. Well, big good target volume for Josh Downs.
3:19Nine targets on 31 pass attempts. That's a terrific target share.
3:23But also this team basically never passes near the end zone.
3:26They just hand it to Jonathan Taylor all the time.
3:28They've run six plays from the five yard line or closer and five of them have been runs.
3:33Last year they had the third lowest pass rate inside the five yard line.
3:37Okay, anyway, so would work in your favor of the Taylor over Walker arguments.
3:41I do think the a the Colts are more committed to the run and run in spots.
3:46They should run more than the Chiefs do at times last night.
3:49I was like why are the Chiefs throwing every single first and second down but B it's the red zone work.
3:55I think it's a good point. I didn't say Taylor over Walker.
3:58I know but you said it's not a given it's not.
4:01I mean these are obviously two first round RB ones.
4:04Okay, and then who's the best tight end on these teams?
4:07Ha ha He's back baby. Travis. I'll never go away.
4:10Kelsey. I'm so mad. I didn't just buy him again in fantasy.
4:13You got him for free. He's on waiver wire some some leagues before week one.
4:17I mean he's just gonna do it every single year.
4:20And yeah, it's not gonna be what it was at one point, but it's still better than night.
4:25Like you're starting him every week like you have you Kyle Pitts or Travis Kelsey who are you starting?
4:30Well, I mean who's quarterback it is gonna be Kelsey, but I mean it's it's Kelsey, but I'm not judging Kelsey even when Penix comes back.
4:38Okay, I'm not judging pits on what's happened so far, but it's it's Kelsey.
4:41I guess it Kelsey or Fannin. Kelsey Kelsey So then we're just talking about all the mid Kelsey or Kraft at this point.
4:48Kraft I don't know. I'll take Kraft. I don't know.
4:51Kelsey or Loveland. No, he won't go there just yet.
4:53Kelsey was a top five tight end with Patrick Mahomes last year, right?
4:57It's not crazy and and Rasheed Rice is not getting near the target volume he used to and no one's emerging here.
5:03So it's not it's not crazy. I don't think I can ever take a tight end early again.
5:08This happens every single year. We do this every year.
5:11Well, McBride Kelsey years McBride is is one of the best players in fantasy right now.
5:15It's like this is just like a huge miss for me on McBride.
5:19Yeah, we'll see about Bowers, but yeah, I mean Kelsey.
5:22So would you take Kelsey over Warren? Yes, personally.
5:24I don't think so. Ward weird start for Tyler Warren.
5:27He has a point eight three yard a dot so far.
5:30He's doing nothing downfield. He's getting a lot of screens, a lot of design reads.
5:34Obviously, it was what they do. He has three of the Colts seven red zone targets.
5:39Tyler Warren. We're talking about he is two of their three green zone targets.
5:42He has their only end zone target so far.
5:45They've all yeah, they play Jesse mentor and spags to like I played tough matchups for sure and things will get better.
5:51But man, that's that line looks gross. Six receptions for 21 yards.
5:54I think in more neutral spots, you'll be able to see Warren get more stuff going and then be able to take
6:00some more shots on the field right now. It's been it just feels like they're trying to get it out quick, which is no surprise.
6:07This guy does he he does. You know, we talked off the air about Rishi Rice, his inability to get open like Tyler Warren is not getting open.
6:15They everything they don't even try to get him.
6:18It feels to me like I never see him run an intermediate in break or a scene like it just.
6:23It's all gimmicky stuff with him. It's a lot of it.
6:26It's like he's blocking and then he comes off the block open at the line of scrimmage.
6:31Now, it wasn't necessarily like that last year. No one's no one has an eight out under one yard.
6:36Right. Right. Wild. And his touchdown was an amazing route.
6:39Let's just be like that was a great release off the line of scrimmage.
6:43Like he has the capability to do it. Will the Colts use him in that way?
6:47I guess the question. I don't even know what to say about tight end right now.
6:52If you're going to rank your top five tight ends rest of season, you know, McBride's one, then we're still to Kincaid Kincaid.
6:58Jacob's Jacob. I would take Kincaid over Bowers, right?
7:01Wow. How? I was just worried about the Bowers post injury not being good thing.
7:05Yes. Yeah. Unfortunately, we have to worry about that again.
7:07It's unbelievable. Two years running with this. Yeah, it's annoying.
7:10And then, you know, and DJ Moore being injured right now.
7:13Hopefully not too long, but that would only. Laporte is in the mix.
7:17I see that in the comments. Laporte is definitely in the mix.
7:20I think Kraft's going to be in the mix.
7:23Eh. Eh. Really? I think Kittle like George Kittle at 80 yards and a touchdown yesterday and he's only running for half the routes still.
7:30Something looks nasty wrong with that Packers offense to me.
7:32Oh, I think I think the rain. I think the conditions are a factor yesterday.
7:37Like they played. I'm a big I'm a big weather guy, so I'll give you that.
7:41They played the Vikings in week one and did pretty well considering it was the Vikings like they they threw two touchdowns
7:47against a team that allowed one in their previous eight games.
7:50And then the weather. I mean, I watched it.
7:53I just watched it this morning. Like there were some drops.
7:56I actually think their inability to run the ball is hurting their passing game, too.
8:00Yeah, that's a good point. And I totally agree with that.
8:03Jacobs could be back in like a month. Maybe that's just kind of the somebody in the chat mentioned Kittle.
8:08I just said, yeah, I mean he had a huge game and I don't know that he's going to be a top
8:15five tight end like that's not a lot of targets so far for Kittle, but sure it's up for grabs.
8:20Yes, it's up for grabs. It's like that. That offense is I think I saw it again like number one yet again
8:26in EPA per drop back pretty had two incompletions.
8:29One was a drop. The other was just like the end of the game just like throwing out a bouncer like spiking it or something.
8:36They just are unreal. Like even if Kittle doesn't get volume, he's going to get such a boost from the efficiency of that offense.
8:42And I don't know. I was saying in the chat tight ends going to be that bad.
8:47I don't know. It doesn't sound bad to me.
8:49It sounds bad if you drafted Pitt so far and Harold Fannin who was okay yesterday, but actually sounds okay.
8:55I mean love. Okay. Loveland is, but it's not so bad.
8:58All right. Because you got you got Hunter Henry now who's running all the routes and had a good target share.
9:04They only threw 22 passes yesterday. You got Schultz who can factor in.
9:07It's not so right. All right. Any any thought?
9:10Let's talk about where she rice and Patrick Mahomes here.
9:13Uh, Jacob and I not so encouraged by rice.
9:15I guess I felt like he looked better than he did in week one, but still not that good.
9:20Dan, you're okay with it. Remember he had 83 yards, but 31 of them came on the last play of regulation.
9:26So really padded his stats. Right. Um, what do you think about rice and Mahomes Dan?
9:31I don't, I'm not more like enthusiastic about rice from a fantasy standpoint, I guess I'm more enthusiastic and somewhat.
9:36I am a more enthusiastic. Just, I thought he looked a little bit better moving without the football last night than he had in week one.
9:43And what we saw in the preseason, as far as the other side of that goes, that was what I texted Jacob.
9:50That was the first time the chiefs offense looks like that looked like the chiefs offense to me in like dozens of games at this point.
9:57That was the best I've seen Patrick Mahomes look in a long, long time.
10:01His deep ball accuracy, which has been a big problem for him these last years, both charting into the eye test was back last night.
10:08The timing was great. The anticipation, he threw the ball into space, letting his receivers run under it, under pressure, under duress.
10:14He manipulated the pocket really well. I felt like in week one, he looked kind of not all their movement wise.
10:19And then it almost looked like one week later, he was back to his old self from a movement standpoint, both in
10:26the pocket than out of the pocket. So I was really enthusiastic.
10:29The whole idea here is like you add Ken Walker to the offense and hopefully the passing game gets easier because teams
10:35are gonna have to allocate more recess sources to Walker.
10:38That's what it started to look like last night.
10:40I will note this. I think this Colts defense is a near lock to be a bottom 10 defense and most likely
10:46headed toward bottom five over the course of the season.
10:49So it's important to note that was a good matchup.
10:52And they, and Charverius, Charverius Ward was hurt, I believe for the Colts.
10:55So one of their top corners, double check on that, but yeah, I mean, and I think, you know, worthy 73% rostered.
11:02He had the touchdown. He also had two drops in this game.
11:05And if he caught those balls, he has a pretty good game, right?
11:09You know, do you think we should, okay, Jacob, two quick questions.
11:12Do you think Xavier worthy is worth hanging on to 73% rostered?
11:15No, no, I do. I do too, Adam, because I think they're using him like a better version of Rasheed Rice right now.
11:22Like he gets smacked three times per game where I'm like, Oh, he's done.
11:25I don't think that that's going to last. All right.
11:28But he's like actually got some juice and he's a short area target guy now.
11:32And do you think Rasheed Rice is a must start player?
11:35No. Okay. I think those guys could score points if the chiefs play well.
11:39And I think the Kenneth Walker thing is real.
11:42Teams are definitely reacting to that. They're getting way more stack boxes.
11:45The play action stuff is open. They were using him as a decoy at the goal line last night.
11:50They got passing touchdowns as a result. I don't think either of those guys are very good.
11:55So I don't really want to go there. Um, it seems like, I mean, like if we're just I test Kelsey looks
12:01like the best player and he's also getting more first three targets.
12:04He looks so good. Yeah. I think I trust Kelsey.
12:07I trust, um, Walker and everyone else in the offenses.
12:10Maybe they'll have random weeks, but I think Jalen Royals is fine and they, they're getting him in more and more and they really like Cyrus Allen too.
12:18So it's like at any point, if those other guys falter, which we've seen them falter every single year of their career,
12:24whether it's injury off field stuff or on field stuff, I think the other guys are fine and can step up and the office will stay, stay rolling.
12:32Well, you, would you drop Xavier worthy for Denzel Boston?
12:34No, probably not. I mean, if you want to just like try to trade Boston high or something, but it seems like
12:40sustainability for the downfield passing game with Cleveland is so, so unlikely.
12:44Boston had a huge yak play on some pretty shoddy tackling.
12:47Yeah. Boston's a good player, but I really do think it's very, if you look at the top 20 scores or receiver,
12:53his is probably the fluiest at this point. Okay.
12:55More on him a little bit later. And by the way, we talked about who could be a top five tight end.
13:02We didn't even mention Isaiah likely. Yeah, sure. True about him.
13:05All right. That's it for Kansas city 33 Indianapolis 30 Dan.
13:08Uh, you know what, Jacob, I think I can do it quicker.
13:11Jacob, what's a beyond the box score looking like this week?
13:14Uh, just on our usual schedule. So Dan and I on Tuesdays, um, do the waiver wire and talk through our film
13:20thoughts, um, digging into all these games. So there's, you know, you want to know it's basically what we're doing today, but
13:26we have a lot more time to get into that.
13:29Um, get into all the film on that today's show.
13:32We just have like one or two games we've gotten to.
13:35And then I think the other thing I would point you to is that Wednesdays I do these usage shows where I do rest of season rankings.
13:42And I really dig into the nitty gritty of these roles for the players.
13:46So like, why have things changed for Rishi rice?
13:49Why has he gone from like a 30% target per route run player to an 11% target per route run player?
13:54Um, you can find all that stuff for running backs, receivers, tight ends, all that on Wednesdays.
13:59And once again, for Rishi rice, his average route depth was more than eight yards and he's never had a game in
14:05his career with an average route depth more than seven yards and, and had more than six targets in any of those games.
14:12Most of them were early in his career, but now we have two to start the year.
14:16Okay. Uh, we're going to take a break and we've got news and notes and not a lot of them.
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15:10So Jane Daniels dislocated elbow. His coach Dan Quinn says he expects him to return this season.
15:15Ben Johnson just said that Kayla Williams is week to week with a hamstring injury, and we'll see who starts at quarterback for the Falcons this week.
15:22No updates. I haven't seen anything on Jadarian price other than x-rays were negative.
15:26Haven't seen anything on Saquon Barkley. He was luckily able to come in back in the game, but he barely played JK Dobbins hamstring injury.
15:33RJ Harvey, I think also a hamstring maybe a groin for Harvey.
15:36He missed the game. So Jonah Coleman is going to be popular this week.
15:40Rico Dowdle left with a toe injury and that's that.
15:43DeMarcus Robinson has a high ankle sprain. Mike Evans has a hip injury.
15:46It is not expected to be serious. I hope they get him back this week against Arizona.
15:51And I'll tell you why because I don't know that I'm going to start him the following two weeks against Denver and at Seattle.
15:58So Mike Evans, I'd love to be able to start him in week three, weeks four and five could be questionable.
16:04Jaden Reed left in the first quarter has extremities as as feeling in all visits.
16:08He's always his extremities and he is feeling in them.
16:10So that's good for Jaden Reed. Sometimes those scary injuries.
16:13They're not long term. And Alec Pierce has the injured heel and x-rays were negative.
16:17Dallas Goddard is going to have an MRI on his knee.
16:20Eli Raritan left for New England. David Njoku. I actually haven't seen an update on David Njoku.
16:25He was carted off. Let me see if we have anything here.
16:29Did Kolar get hurt too? Yeah, Charlie. Yeah, at the end of the game.
16:32It's a knee injury for Njoku. Don't know about Kohler.
16:35Yes, definitely. A Ronday Gadsden is going to be discussed on the waiver wire show tomorrow.
16:40Kohler had his arm in a sling after the game.
16:42And Charverius Ward, yes, did leave with a groin injury for the Colts.
16:46Two starting or two cornerbacks, I believe starters, but two cornerbacks for the Cardinals left with injuries.
16:51They face San Francisco this week. I want Mike Evans back.
16:54Those injuries not expected to be serious. They both might be able to come back.
16:58Will Johnson and Max Melton. I'll just leave it at that.
17:01Let's get into more fun stuff here. Snap counts, trends, whatever.
17:04This is where you guys just have the floor.
17:06I'll start it with the Saints and Travis Achan.
17:0954% of the snaps. Alvin Kamara, 29% of the snaps.
17:12Travis Achan ran 13 routes. Kamara ran eight. Kamara did not run a snap or did not play a snap on third down.
17:18CJ Donaldson was still their third down back. It was like the second half was more encouraging, I guess, for Travis Achan.
17:24And he worked at the goal line. He got the two point conversion.
17:28Uh, but he's obviously been a major concern for fantasy managers.
17:31Dan, where are we on the Saints here? I'm going to defer to Jacob on this one because I studied about five
17:37games for the show and the Saints was not one of them.
17:40Saints look awesome. Tyler Shuck keeps stepping up in clutch moments.
17:43Um, they dropped back a ton. Uh, the Travis Achan stuff is definitely concerning.
17:47He was already splitting work in week one and then Kamara's got a clear role.
17:51Um, John Johnson's role skilled back a little bit, but still made some big plays.
17:55He's really good. Devon Vela is playing really, really well.
17:58And then they've got this rookie Bryce Lance. Who's like a competent field stretcher.
18:02It feels like he's actually been able to step in and play right away, which is really, really impressive.
18:07Um, and that allows them to move the other guys around more.
18:11And so Chris Alave right now is just shredding, just uncoverable.
18:14Um, only Jackson Smith and Jacob has more yards than Alave.
18:17He looks like as long as he stays healthy, he's going to be a league winning pick at wide receiver this year.
18:23Back to back years of that too. Yeah. But for a Chan, I don't really even know.
18:28Like I'm not selling low. I don't think I want it.
18:31I just think that it's so obviously, I don't understand.
18:33You give the guy like $12 million a year and you give Camara 10 touches.
18:38Like Camara had 10 touches while a Chan had two.
18:40It doesn't make any sense. Camara doesn't do anything with the touches.
18:44There's no doubt in my mind that Travis a Chan is the best running back on the team.
18:49I think we all know that Kendrick Miller was a big factor last week.
18:53I don't know. I think he was inactive this week.
18:55Um, or he didn't have any touches. And it, I feel like things will get better for him.
19:00I'm, however, I'm not confident enough to say by low on him.
19:04I wouldn't buy low on him. Me either. I moved him behind Bachel Tootin before last week.
19:08I've got him behind like David Montgomery and players like that that I think have similar sorts of roles.
19:14I'm curious. Does that seem about right to you?
19:16Who's that Tootin? Etienne like behind those guys. Behind Tootin for sure for me.
19:20I definitely have mine Tootin. Who was the other back you had?
19:23Montgomery. I definitely have him behind Montgomery. I wouldn't definitely have him behind Montgomery.
19:27I mean, I think I see them similarly. Yeah.
19:30I don't. I think Montgomery has a much better chance of scoring touchdowns than Etienne does.
19:34That I disagree with. Cause I think so far Etienne, Travis Achan has been the goal line back.
19:39Oh, Achan. I'm sorry. Yeah. That's all right. He's been the goal line back for the most part for a team that we are buying their offense.
19:47We think they're going to score a lot. Did he have a touchdown call back in this game by the way?
19:52Yeah, he did. Okay. And he had a touchdown last week.
19:55So I'm not sure about it. He had nine targets in the first game, just three in this game.
20:01I think that trend will continue to come down with Kamara back.
20:04And just that offense. Yeah. So don't see the receiving work.
20:07I guess first Montgomery, it's like if Nico is out for a lot of the season, then I'm way further down on Montgomery.
20:13I think that's that whole offense looks night and day with Nico on the field versus with him not on the field.
20:20So maybe I feel a little bit more comfortable with Achan in that sense.
20:23I just, I don't know where the points are coming from.
20:26I think it's, I think he's going to have to get a bigger role.
20:30And I've just, I think he could. And speaking of Montgomery played fewer snaps and Woody marks yesterday.
20:35And it wasn't just because they were chasing points.
20:38The first half, he played fewer snaps than Woody marks.
20:41Uh, so he's, he's been terrible running the football so far.
20:44He has 26 carries for 70 yards, right? They can't block potentially tough matchups.
20:48I mean, I think Cincinnati is a good run events.
20:50I don't know about Buffalo. All right. Look, at least that's the range.
20:54Like if we're drafting Travis Achan today, he's probably like a fifth round pick.
20:58It's maybe six round picks, something like that. Uh, I think I would just take, uh, I think I'd take him over the Patriots running backs though.
21:05Uh, that's interesting. I thought Travion looked pretty good yesterday.
21:08Yeah. Just the idea of Travion to me is probably worth it if I'm taking, I mean, if you're talking about a
21:14six round pick, you're hoping that that's like your RB three, right?
21:17Like an upside pick. Like to me, I don't really understand what the point of Achan is for fantasy.
21:23That sounds weird, but like, what is he? You plug him in and the semblance of safety is an RB two, but is there safety?
21:30Cause he can have games where it has like 10 touches or whatever.
21:33Like I don't. He feels very dead zone back to me.
21:36Uh, but then, then again, like he is safer than Henderson who could have any week where he fumbles and they take
21:42him out of the game plan or whatever it may be.
21:45But Henderson can also just on one touch, get you nine points, which I guess Achan can do that.
21:51Uh, he did it with the Jaguars. It's a different scheme.
21:54Liam Cohen's gone. And I haven't, you know, at that run scheme has been pretty bad throughout Kellen Moore's career run.
22:00One, the run game has not been a, a, a good aspect of Kellen Moore's scheme at any point.
22:05If his role stays like this, that then yes, Travis Achan is going to be disappointing.
22:09I guess I'm just saying that I, it's only week two.
22:12I feel like he, he could gain, I don't know why he would, why wouldn't they do it originally?
22:18But I feel like he'd get more of a role.
22:20Like we, we think Jeremiah loves going to have a bigger role as the season goes on.
22:25I get like Achan's different. Achan should have it right now.
22:28Travis love will have to kind of grow into it.
22:31Um, yeah, but, uh, all right. I said my piece.
22:34Uh, what else? Uh, Jacob, what do you want to discuss here?
22:37Well, speaking of Jeremiah love here in eight routes to 18 for Tyler Algier in week two.
22:42That's fun. Painful. I don't know. Like if anything, I would expect him to get that, like get him out in space,
22:48but why do you draft Jeremiah love? You're not going to utilize his route running.
22:52I don't know. However, only five carries for Algier.
22:54Algier had 17 in week one and love had nine carries.
22:57So nice. Yeah. I mean, I didn't think he was a terrible start this week against the Seahawks, but yeah, I mean,
23:04when you look at both of those guys, Jadarian Price and Jeremiah love Jacob, do you have hope that things are going to change for them?
23:11Uh, yeah, love. I think so. I think there's a decent chance that he becomes a hot hand that we've heard, um, Michael floor talk about, right?
23:18And he gets the Steph Curry treatment or whatever.
23:21At some point this year is what you're hoping for that.
23:24He's just really good. And that that shines through, um, Jadarian price looks really good, but I think his role is kind
23:30of clearly defined and they've got somebody coming back.
23:32Who's actually really good at all the other stuff.
23:35So like right now they're already giving all of the goal line stuff, the pass blocking stuff, all that is going to like role players.
23:42Zach Sharbin is actually a boss at that. Like, and I think he's just going to get that.
23:47And he might, if he plays well, even take some of the early down stuff too.
23:51Um, so yeah, I think you're talking price. You're looking at basically what Kenneth Walker had last year in terms of a role.
23:58Yeah. Yeah. Which was about RB 28. Yeah. If he runs hot with long plays and touchdowns, then he can be useful,
24:04but that's going to be hard to predict. Yeah.
24:06I watched the tape of, of all those running backs, you know, man, Emmanuel Wilson to his credit had a nice game,
24:12but I just don't see how you could watch Jadarian price versus Emmanuel Wilson and Jeremiah love versus Tyler Algier and not
24:18be so frustrated as a fantasy manager. Now I think we knew this was a possibility.
24:23So we were okay. Like, especially with price and with love early in the season, you're hoping that love gets more and more work.
24:29And he did get more carries than Algier this week, but it's just not even close.
24:34Like, like Jordan or Jeremiah love explodes when he touches the ball.
24:37Tyler Algier just doesn't have, he's not that kind of player.
24:40Yeah. It's stupid to me. It's malpractice for these coaches to, to not be using price and love more.
24:46I think they'd probably tell you. Cause I mean, that's how it appears to us, but I think they'd probably tell you, cause this happens every year, right?
24:53This is not, we're not, we're not going over something that's new to us.
24:57Like how could this coach thing they'll probably tell us these guys understand the playbook better.
25:02They're going to help us more in past production.
25:04They're going to be well, more aware of where to be within the route.
25:08Like for the timing standpoint of the quarterback, like quarterback needs to know where this running back is going to be on that route.
25:15And I guess Algier, if he's running 18 to loves eight has a better feel right now for that.
25:20I don't know. That's what they're telling us at least.
25:23Um, but that will change. Love. I will see, will change the, the price thing is getting scary because when Charbonnet is
25:29back, I don't like, I don't know what you're hoping for.
25:32If you start price. I think Emmanuel Wilson was so bad and short yardage yesterday that they were, they were going to give Jadarian price.
25:39Like he got a second and goal carry and he got stuffed.
25:42Right. I thought maybe he was going to start getting some of that.
25:46Um, he got hurt and we never really saw it play out.
25:49All right. Uh, anything else, Jacob? I'm sure there's plenty.
25:52Yeah, for sure. So, um, just with the Colts, I think it's interesting that Keenan Allen barely played yesterday, even with the
25:58injury to Alec Pierce, it was look on look, one Treadwell who played more.
26:02Josh Jones at a 91% snap rate getting out of 51% snap rate, 61% route rate at five targets, had one catch for five yards.
26:09So if he's not at the point where he can be a meaningful contributor anymore and like really take away targets as
26:15a 34 year old, then I do think downs is probably just going to run away with it here.
26:20Um, as long as he stays healthy and be somebody who's pretty dang productive for, for PPR purposes, at least.
26:26Um, another interesting player to me, who's getting more and more playing time.
26:29It seems like maybe a young guy winning out.
26:32We'll see here, um, is Antonio Williams in Washington, um, had the same number of routes as Stefan digs.
26:37I checked if it was like a blowout related thing, maybe a little bit, but it was similar in the first half
26:43where he was playing almost as much as digs.
26:45Um, right now they're using Diami Brown is like the field stretching player.
26:49I think they could move Terry McLaurin more and more into that role and play all three of them or at the
26:55very least just get Williams out there more. Um, the reason I bring this up is cause he's been really productive.
27:01He's yet to not catch a target. Um, he's 12th at wide receiver and yards per outrun so far.
27:06This is a guy that they freaking ranted and raved about after they drafted him in round three.
27:11They seem to really, really like him. They think he could play inside or outside playing two receiver sets.
27:17Um, can wonder the ball in his hands and obviously he's a route winner too.
27:21So he's a really, I think a really good stash at wide receiver.
27:24My favorite stash is freaking image Johnson, man. 71% avoided tackle rate on the year.
27:28He's so fucking good. Kenneth Walker has the highest rate out of qualified players at 47%.
27:33Emmitt Johnson's is 71%. Now you could see why I had this whole thing with Heath Adam over the dynasty league when
27:39I was supposed to be able to draft Emmitt Johnson and I couldn't because of the roster thing.
27:44I wanted Emmitt Johnson. I knew how good he was in round two.
27:48Um, and I wanted that my RB two in the class.
27:51He's so good. He should be rostered in every league.
27:53We mean Jacob talk about this every day of every week, but there's in my mind, no better handcuff to have in fantasy football.
28:00He's the best. He's the best on a good offense.
28:03He's actually really good at football and Walker has a, his no history of being a workhorse.
28:07Some more meaningful players, Christian McCaffrey, 80% snap rate, eight out of 10 running back touches in the first half of this game.
28:14It was a blowout win. So it looked like the same usage as week one.
28:18Um, they were given Jordan James the ball in the fourth quarter up by 30.
28:22It's not, it wasn't the same. I'm sorry. McCaffrey McCaffrey.
28:25Yeah. I guess the only hesitation I have is that Kalon black was came into the game with an injury.
28:30He was questionable all week. So I like, I was also happy about it.
28:34Encouraged. I know the yards per carry weren't great, but I mean, he's working at the goal line.
28:39It was great stuff, but yeah, I just want to see what happens if, if we get a normal week of practice for Kalon black.
28:46Um, I want to talk about Parker Washington. I, it's just insane what we've seen.
28:50Yeah. So across his six most recent games, which is like starting last year with that win against Denver until the most
28:57recent game against Denver, the dude has averaged almost four yards per outrun.
29:00Like if you look at his efficiency metrics, they're basically just JSN Puka level stuff.
29:04Um, he has a 20, his, his lowest game across the past six game, his last week's, this week's game, 17 PPR points.
29:11That's his worst game across his past six, including the playoffs.
29:14Um, if you just look at like, since he became a full-time player, it's 15 points per game across this past six games, it's 20 points per game.
29:21Like he's just been unstoppable. He's been super consistent.
29:24He creates extra yards after the catch. Um, even in a game where Jacksonville kind of fell apart after the beginning of
29:30the game, they should have won this game. It was just like a stupid loss for them.
29:35I, they stopped. They stopped throwing him the ball.
29:37I don't know what the hell that was. He had nine targets in the first half and then they stopped going to
29:43the thing that works the best and started going to BTJ.
29:46And he, it's just like, what? You know how this goes?
29:49Like what? I don't know. Um, yeah. Brian Thomas Jr.
29:52is only playing in three receiver sets, by the way, like did not play a single, didn't run a single route from two receiver sets.
29:59So that's going to leave him, leave him pretty hit or miss.
30:02Who are they coming after? Who's got the sirens?
30:05It's not me. Oh, that's me in the background.
30:07I don't know what's going on out there. Um, Bayshol Toon sticking with the Jags, uh, sixth in the NFL in yards
30:14after contact on the year ahead of B. John Robinson, just behind Jonathan Taylor.
30:17He writes after contact is something that Liam Cohen talks about all the time.
30:21Um, he had three of their five touches in the red zone this week for the whole team, not just the running backs.
30:28There was a target to LeQuint Allen in the red zone that he dropped and Chris Rodriguez got a red zone touch,
30:34but like, I just think we're going to see him win out here.
30:37I think he's the best player. Um, and Liam Cohen has had four running backs over the past two seasons that have
30:43been top 20 and fantasy points in the red zone.
30:46So like, even if it doesn't consolidate to him, we've seen multiple instances of two backs being really relevant in the red zone.
30:53And there's a chance that it does consolidate. I think just to tootin because he's their best back.
30:58Um, we'll see Rodriguez, you know, obviously there's familiarity there, but he, he hasn't looked like he's adding a whole lot relate
31:04to this point where his tootin has. Yeah. And he got a one yard touchdown run, Bajol Tootin, which was encouraging.
31:10A design play, which is like Liam Cohen is, I think maybe the best in the league or at least he has
31:16been at like designing red zone touchdowns for running backs that are just really easy walking touchdowns.
31:20Pretty awesome stuff. Yeah. Direct snap to him. Huh?
31:23Cool. Uh, anything else? No, I mean, that's, that's pretty much it.
31:26All right. Dan, you got anything? I have plenty of stuff, but got a lot coming for the four big topics.
31:32So I'll save it for that. All right. Uh, Jawan Johnson.
31:35I don't know what happened here. He went from an 82% route rate to 59%, but he did have a higher target charity.
31:41Just missed the touchdown. Looking at Oscar Delp came back, but he didn't play much, but like maybe that changed it a little bit.
31:48Noah fan. They there, he's running more routes. Uh, the bears route participation rates.
31:52Romo Dune's a 93%. Kalief Raymond, 78%. Luther Byrd in 73%.
31:55Colson Loveland, 71%. Loveland led the team in route rate in week one.
31:59I'm thinking maybe he was blocking more because you know, Minnesota blitzes every play.
32:02Basically, uh, watching him just get overwhelmed by D, uh, by Dallas and the last, but yeah, Dallas Turner, the last play
32:09was just like so brutal on top of everything.
32:11Like, I don't know. It's obvious. It's like so easy to blame him.
32:15And then like literally for it to end like that was just like, Oh my God, it couldn't be worse.
32:20Yeah. But he, but he was, he should have probably had a touchdown on the play where, where Caleb got hurt.
32:26I don't know why Caleb didn't throw it to him.
32:29Uh, but we'll talk about that a little bit later.
32:32Montgomery and Woody marks played about the same amount of snaps.
32:35I mentioned this Montgomery got the first three carries of the game, but it was pretty, you know, marks outplayed him after
32:41that or play more than him after that. Travion Henderson didn't run a route on third down.
32:45He did play for snaps on third down. They were all run plays Cleveland route participation rate.
32:50Denzel ball said 94% Harold fan at 83% Casey Concepcion, 74% and Quinch on Judkins.
32:54Jerry Judy was there too. Whatever Quinch on Judkins, 46% route rate.
32:58This is now four straight games dating back to last year, including one where he left with an injury where Quinch on
33:04Judkins has run more than 40% of the routes.
33:06He did not do that in any of the first 12 games of his career came close, but he is more involved
33:12in the passing game and he's got four or more targets in three of his last four games.
33:17Quinch on Judkins dating back to 2025. Uh, you know, it's obviously not looking great for him, but Deshaun Watson has definitely
33:23been much better than I expected since the first quarter of week one.
33:27He could be horrible. I recognize that. I hope better times are ahead for Quinch on Judkins.
33:32I'm not putting out any by-low offers, but if you're a depressed Quinch on Judkins manager, at least there's some, some positives to take away.
33:39Um, Ted Hurst played over Jaylin McMillan for Tampa Bay.
33:41Lad McConkie ran 90% of the routes in week one before his injury, 71% yesterday.
33:45He was playing hurt and they took him off the field at times.
33:49Um, and does anybody have an explanation for the backfield splits in Washington?
33:53Rashad white played 52% of the snap. Rashad white was basically a non-factor to the point where I was like, man, uh,
33:59Jokoroski merit or Jokoroski merit fumbled in week one and they put Katron Allen.
34:03And I don't even know what the heck was shot.
34:05White is doing on the team. And this week he plays 52% of the snaps.
34:10Jokoroski merit plays 37% of the snaps. Rashad white was in near the goal line.
34:14I don't even know. I don't know what happened here.
34:17This is what Jacob was worried about with Bill Kroski merit before the year.
34:20And it kind of played out exactly as he said, when the game script falls to this level.
34:25And it wasn't like this in week one where they're kind of in the game the whole time against the Eagles.
34:31When it falls to this level, we're not going to see a lot of bill.
34:35And that's pretty much exactly what we saw in this game.
34:38I still don't know if it's going to make white that relevant.
34:42If we have Mariota for an extended period of time.
34:45And I, I know they said Jaden will play again this year, but I don't, I guess he'll play again and they'll
34:51bring him back and then hope he just doesn't get hurt.
34:54I assume he needs surgery eventually for this. I don't even know, but they're not going to be able to do it this year.
35:00So it's kind of like last year we'll come back and then hopefully he just doesn't get hurt somehow.
35:06I don't know how you do that as a quarterback at the NFL level with your elbow like that.
35:11But if it's Mariota for an extended period of time, I bill is borderline droppable for me.
35:16Oh, not there yet. Not there yet. Let's see what happens.
35:19I don't know how he scores. It's like a similar, but it's not that bad.
35:23Like Mariota, like Mariota averaged 7.5 yards per attempt last season.
35:26Jane Daniels average. Different scheme. Jane Daniels averaged 7.4 yards per attempt in his rookie season.
35:30I'm not saying he's better or anything, but Mario is not a bad.
35:34You could do worse at backup quarterback. Yeah. You could do definitely worse for sure.
35:38All right. We'll get into the four big topics.
35:40When we come back, we're going to talk about how the mighty have fallen.
35:44George Pickens, Devon H and Colson Loveland. We'll talk about the chargers, the Patriots.
35:48Always negative stuff here. And some of the rookies.
35:51Yeah, right. I mean, it's a really weird week, right?
35:53There were a bunch of injuries. A bunch of people played really poorly.
35:57I was just looking around at like the leaders and it was like, wow, this is really low scoring week.
36:03There are guys that I didn't think had good games and they were like top 12 of their position.
36:08Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. All right. Um, we'll be right back on fantasy football today.
36:12Welcome back folks. All right. Our first big topic.
36:14It comes from what's your name, dude. NFL Robbie says have the mighty fallen examples.
36:18Pickens still a top 15 wide receiver. H and still a top 12 running back Loveland still a top 12 tight end.
36:25Dan, what are the answers to those three questions?
36:27Is George Pickens top 15? I still believe more so in Pickens than I do any of the other three.
36:33Um, and I'll say Pickens because I still feel like we're in a similar spot with the Cowboys where they're a not
36:39so good on defense, maybe a tiny bit better being going to be playing in these high octane shootouts and see Dak
36:45looks like to me, one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
36:48I know people don't hate to hear that cause he's never one of the playoffs and he throws picks in the playoffs, whatever it is.
36:55But in the regular season, he processes fast as hell, man.
36:58And he looked, that was the best tape I think of any quarterback all season decks tape, especially the first half against the commanders yesterday.
37:05So points will come for Pickens, uh, especially if defenses start to adjust to take away lamb, which they have in the past.
37:11If that happens, Pickens will have continued one on ones and Dax, the type of quarterback who loves to do that.
37:17If you're taking away one player, Dax will just out process you and throw the other player.
37:22So I'm still high on Pickens. I was never high on H and to begin with.
37:26He was on my avoid list and draft him anywhere.
37:29Um, it's not worse than I thought it would be.
37:32This is about what I thought it would be.
37:34I see that the yards per carry is way down from past seasons, 3.7 in week two, 3.3 in week one, or the reverse of that.
37:42The targets were there sort of in week one, not as much last week.
37:45Just generally speaking, this offense kind of stinks. Um, and it's hard to buy into players on bad offenses.
37:51So I was never in on him. I don't think he's top 12 rest of season.
37:55There's too many guys who have stepped up at running back.
37:58Loveland top 12 is interesting. It doesn't take much to be a top 12 fantasy tight end, but we're getting performances that
38:04we didn't expect from guys down the board, likely Kelsey among others.
38:08Um, even you could say Dalton Schultz for as long as Nico Collins is out is probably a more reliable player than Loveland.
38:14Somehow the Caleb news helps that he's not so badly hurt.
38:17Uh, top 12 is more doable. I'd say on my panic meter, it's number one, a Chan number two or number one.
38:23A Chan, as far as being a top 12 guy, number two, Loveland, as far as being a top 12 guys, not
38:29so hard to be a top 12 guy. And then Pickens is not a big concern of mine.
38:34Okay. I will say that a Chan was running back six and expected fantasy points this past week.
38:39He had six targets. Um, he started back 12 on the year and expected fantasy points according to the fantasy points status model.
38:46And I just think it's, I, I don't know for sure.
38:49Cause Miami could just be so bad that it holds down his efficiency, but it just feels like he's so good that
38:55it's hard for him to like be underwhelming in XFP all year long.
38:58Hmm. And so if he continues to have like a top 12 role in terms of like on paper, what you'd expect
39:04given these touches and where they're coming, cause the model knows where the touches are coming, you know, it knows that a
39:10rush attempt from the 60 or from the 40 yard line or whatever, isn't worth that much, you know, like it, it
39:17quantifies red zone touches and stuff like that. And so I just would think that like, if, if on paper he's got
39:23a top 12 role, he, he will be a top 12 player.
39:26And that's basically the, the thesis behind drafting him where you did is like, we don't know how it's going to look.
39:32Miami might be terrible, but he's so good and he's going to get 300 plus touches.
39:37So we'll be fine over the course of the full year.
39:40Even if we have to have some bad games, I think is the idea behind drafting him.
39:44You and I didn't really draft him that much.
39:47I don't have a single share either. Me either.
39:49Not to me, nothing has changed with a Chan.
39:52Um, it's exactly what we expected. And so I don't really know why anything would be changing with our perception of him.
39:58That feels reactionary to just, I think there's just more bad fantasy titles.
40:01What? I just think it's cause there's more good running backs that have emerged behind him.
40:06That's the only reason for me as far as top 12.
40:09Yeah. Well, if you think about how the draft was right, like let's, let's put Jenty back in this top 12.
40:15We always said there's these top 12 running backs just happened to be the number 12, uh, that are first and second
40:21round picks that, you know, we'd love to get two of them.
40:24If we could, we definitely want to get one of them.
40:27Listen, that right. And, and HN was in that, you know, for us more toward the back, but for a lot of
40:33people right in the middle of it and, you know, Hampton and Walker and whatever.
40:37Now we've got guys behind where we've seen Javante Williams didn't have a great game, but he has, you know, the best,
40:44some of the best usage on the cow and he's on the Cowboys.
40:47The Andre Swift for sure. You have the Andre Swift.
40:50Take over. Without Caleb? No, no. I assuming Caleb is, is healthy.
40:53I think without Caleb, I mean, they're still going to run the ball really well.
40:57I think. I don't know if he's going to catch the ball as much.
41:01For the explosiveness of them scoring. Swift is a touchdown maker though.
41:05It's more than on that. I think. I would take HN.
41:08Over Swift rest of season. If Caleb's fine. He had 20 carries and six targets this week.
41:12Like he could have. This begs me to ask you the HN question because what are they worth on a team that doesn't score points?
41:19I don't, I think we'll see. I mean, would you take Swift over Bijan?
41:23Cause he has like the exact same. Then Bijan.
41:26Bijan is majorly concerning as well. Not to spend.
41:28No, he's not. Of course he is. Like Bijan was on a crap offense last year and he was RB.
41:34It wasn't as crap. That's the thing. Because they don't have their quarterback yet.
41:38Okay. So if you tell me Penix is ready to go and the fact that he's not able to play the first
41:44two weeks, but he'll certainly somehow be fine when he goes, it could be bad, dude.
41:48It could be like Penix is not the Penix we saw last year.
41:52Then what? Cause they can't go to rush. That's true.
41:54They can't go to strand. And then if Penix like.
41:57They have Tua. They have Tua at some point.
42:00I mean Bijan's going to get so many touches and so many catches.
42:03He's going to be fine. Penix was. Well I talked about it last year, but he was able to move the ball a little bit.
42:10HN's going to be fine too. Look, HN's going to be fine, but the fact that him not being a top 12
42:16running back sounds worse than I think it is.
42:19When you consider that he was basically toward the back end of a tier of 12 running backs.
42:24So all it takes is a few guys in the next tier to move ahead of him.
42:29I mean, I don't think we'd be surprised if Bucky Irving were better at this point.
42:33Wouldn't be surprised if Javante and DeAndre Swift were better at this point.
42:37Brees Hall, maybe. And I use Brees Hall as an example for Devon HN on Wednesday's show when we did the Worryometer.
42:43Brees Hall in 2023, he was the number five running back per game in half PPR.
42:47Number six per game in full PPR. He was top three overall in those formats.
42:51And his offense was 30th. They scored 13.9 points per game.
42:54And they had Garrett Wilson who had 168 targets.
42:57And guess what? He scored 15.7 points in week one Brees Hall that year.
43:01And then the next three games he combined for 14.5 fantasy points.
43:04And the next three games he rolled off three straight games of 20 or more points.
43:08And that's kind of, I just don't think you're going to get consistency from HN like you used to.
43:14But I don't think the chat is interpreting what I said right at all.
43:18I'm not trading Bijan. I'm not panicking on Bijan at all.
43:21Obviously, he's a phenomenal player. But until he gets semi-competent quarterback play, his ceiling is wildly capped.
43:25He scored like a 50 points in week one.
43:2830 points in week one. The chat's going off.
43:30I get it. He had that week, but then he had a week like this as well.
43:35Yeah. So it's not like every, you know, this is not at the level of Gibbs with actual competent offense.
43:41There's going to be weeks like this. But of course, like if Penix is back or they stabilize somewhat at quarterback, it should be fine.
43:48All right. He's Bijan Robinson scored 11.1 points yesterday.
43:50He scored fewer than that four times last year.
43:53Right. That's a, that's a quarter of his games.
43:55It happens. I mean, I'm just saying it happens, you know, even to the best of them.
44:00Yeah. All right. I think all of this is a point about HN basically.
44:04Yeah. Like, yeah, his longest play this year is 17 yards.
44:07He only has two plays that are longer than 10 yards.
44:10Like Brees Hall this week had like what? One yard per carry or whatever, but he had a good fantasy game.
44:16He had 14 points. He was like running back eight or something in a terrible game just because he had some big plays as a receiver.
44:23He had six sketches. I think HN could do that.
44:25I don't, I'm not buying low on HN, but I'm also not panicking if I have them.
44:30I just like wish I had taken Ken Walker instead.
44:33Yeah. Yeah. Probably. I would have. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
44:35I had him ranked considerably higher. That's fair on Pickens real quick.
44:39I don't know if we really talked about him much.
44:42I do think there's some relevant context. I've not, I don't see him as like being worth worrying about at all.
44:47Um, I guess with HN and love that that's fair, especially with the Caleb injury is serious.
44:52Um, but Pickens has a 21% target share. You mentioned his target per outrun rate is higher than it has been.
44:58Um, the Cowboys is only have 106 plays across two games on offense.
45:01Only the Browns and Titans have fewer and they have a hundred of four and a hundred.
45:06So they're basically like the fewest plays in the league is where the Cowboys are.
45:10Last year they led the NFL in place per game.
45:13And I think that's a more realistic expectation than being near the bottom.
45:17They're also first in the league in pass rate over expectations.
45:20So given the circumstances of any given play, um, are they passing or running relative to like what you'd expect?
45:25They're by far the highest. And that's that. So I think everything is set up really well.
45:30It's just been a weird result. Yep. And they are, have the sixth, six fastest pace.
45:34So, um, they had one kind of blowout win and one game where they barely had the ball.
45:39It's lowered their pass attempts. Only stat I saw from Pickens that concerned me.
45:4334.4% of his routes have been go routes according to true media.
45:47And those are bad routes. We don't want that last year.
45:50It was 22%, but two game sample size. I won't panic.
45:53He's like the definition of the player. You don't worry about that with though.
45:57Like I worry about that with like every single receiver, except for him basically, or like Jamar or something.
46:02You'd rather them have a good role, but like he can succeed within that role.
46:06We saw last year. All right, let's get four minutes here on the next topic.
46:10Patriots. The Patriots are in trouble offensively says Robert.
46:13And you know what, Robert? I think I'd have to agree with you, but I also think yesterday was, was bad weather.
46:19Um, the Drake may only through 22 times. They had a defensive touchdown.
46:22They didn't have to do much, but they just don't have a lot of talent on this team.
46:27And they just lost their right tackle probably for the year.
46:30Dan, what are you thinking about the Patriots? How much trouble is this offense in?
46:35And is Drake may a sit until further notice he's at Jacksonville this week?
46:38I watched this entire game and I actually came away pretty enthused with what may put on tape.
46:43There are moments where you're like, okay, maybe he's not seeing it fast enough.
46:47And that's been the discussion. Like have teams adjusted and is he processing fast enough?
46:51But there's still the moments that make him shine where he's just like standing in the pocket.
46:56And he's understanding like, cause his offensive line has been really bad.
47:00That's the biggest concern for rest of season for fantasy for me.
47:03This Patriots offensive line looks as bad as it looked to me at the end of last season.
47:08And now they just had a major injury, but he'll stand in a pocket and deliver a ball to Eli Raritan.
47:14That's some like, despite not having a balanced base, not being able to set his feet.
47:18He puts it right there for Raritan to make the catch.
47:21Great. And then he'll like navigate the pocket later in the game, create escape and find dabs down the field for 67 or whatever it was.
47:28And it looks like the same magical player at times, but overall this offense is going to take a step back without AJ Brown.
47:35And people might look at it like, well, last year they didn't have AJ Brown.
47:39I hate to say it, but like a player like Kayshawn Booty was something they lost.
47:44Like losing him was not in my mind good for this offense.
47:47Cause Dobbs is not the same kind of player on the outside.
47:50And at this point they're not giving Kyle Williams enough opportunities to potentially be that player.
47:55And so defenses have shrunk the field and digs as well.
47:58Of course, that's like a different, a different aspect of what they were able to do, but it's a big one as well.
48:04And so teams are playing them a little differently.
48:07I think we'll see trait like the run game probably benefit the most by the way that teams are going to play
48:13the Patriots specifically because they're in gun a lot.
48:15And there's a lot of opportunity, I think to create big plays out of that as we saw with Henderson in this game.
48:22But right now from a fantasy standpoint, Drake may is not scrambling as much as he was.
48:26And there's just not as many explosive playmakers. I'm not that worried about it from what I saw.
48:31I thought may look pretty good. And I thought the connection with Dobbs was much improved from week one to week two.
48:37Like that's a player on my radar moving forward Dobbs, especially for at least for the weeks that Brown is out, but
48:43it's not going to be the same offense. It was last year at all.
48:47And the matchups are much harder, which definitely plays a role as people obviously noted.
48:51Right. I think that's important. They face Seattle and Pittsburgh, so that's going to make their pass rush right, but losing their right tackle.
48:58Now he's being replaced by Morgan Moses, who's very experienced player, but had his hands full yesterday with TJ Watt, obviously.
49:04But this week, like I'm avoiding them. I think Jacksonville has a pretty good defense.
49:08I'm avoiding the Patriots for the most part this week.
49:11I'm sitting Drake may again at Buffalo. I think, you know, they're going to have to throw a lot that game.
49:17And then the Raiders jets at the bears at Miami starts to get pretty damn good.
49:21And in the midst of that, you might get AJ Brown returning.
49:24Now I will say I am very concerned about AJ Brown because like high ankle sprains.
49:29Yeah. So I think they have kind of a bad reputation, high ankle sprains.
49:33And I've already given examples of players who didn't really lose any efficiency after missing three weeks with a high ankle sprain in the past.
49:40Saquon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, and last year's CD lamb.
49:42And I would say Jeremiah love to me looks pretty damn good right now.
49:46But this is obviously a more severe high ankle sprain.
49:49And that does have me concerned about AJ Brown.
49:51I'm trying to offload my AJ Brown chairs. I don't know how this is going to work out.
49:56I could be totally wrong about it, but I don't, I just, I, I think he might not be the player that we hoped.
50:03I am concerned about the Patriots offense. I think they're going to struggle, especially in the short term, but Henderson and versus Stevenson will be the split.
50:10We're all focusing on next week and Hunter Henry five targets, which is actually a lot.
50:15He led the team in targets. They only threw 22 passes.
50:18Raritan's hurt. He ran a ton of routes. So definitely a waiver wire guy.
50:22Kayshawn Booty had the highest passer rating when targeted as the first three target last year behind only Jalen Coker in the whole NFL among qualified receivers.
50:29So to Dan's point, I think losing him and then also losing AJ Brown is pretty tough, especially if you are, you refuse to play Kyle Williams.
50:37Then yeah, I don't know. Good luck with Matt Collins or whatever.
50:40Jacob, um, Wes, whose Twitter name is hi. My name is Wes.
50:43Hello Wes. Thanks for coming by. What's up Wes?
50:46Wants to know what to do with these rookies.
50:48So I'm going to give you a rookie and you tell me buy, sell, hold, drop, pick up, whatever stash.
50:54Carnell Tate, uh, chill and pick them up in a few weeks.
50:57Jordan, Jeremiah love every time. Jeremiah love. I'd buy I'd trade for love, but again, I think he's going to probably be
51:03even less valuable in a week or two. I think people are nearing the fever pitch of panic.
51:08We're not quite there yet. Casey Concepcion. Uh, he's great.
51:11I think he's playing exactly how you can expect.
51:14I don't think his role is going to change much.
51:16Maybe at some point he plays ahead of Jerry Judy and two receiver sets right now.
51:21He's only playing in the slot. Um, they're getting him designed targets as a catch and run guy.
51:26He's very good at that. So whatever you want to do with that.
51:29I just don't want the Browns really. Okay. Denzel Boston.
51:32Yeah. Uh, so he's very good. I still think he's an ad though.
51:36I mean, 52% rostered. You could sell him for something better, but, but I think he's worth rostering.
51:41Um, and then Jonah Coleman with JK Dobbins, apparently good to go.
51:44It looks like JK Dobbins probably going to play this week, but Jonah Coleman, a nice game for the Broncos.
51:50Yeah. Um, he was getting in there already. I think he might be their best running back and Dobbins hasn't looked quite like himself this year.
51:57I think Coleman has a lot of juice. He can pass protect.
52:00He can also play on passing downs as a receiver.
52:03Um, he can do short yardage stuff. He's really complete running back.
52:06I think that we're only going to see more and more of Coleman this year.
52:10I have a couple different thoughts. The first would be, and just on two players and not different with Coleman Coleman.
52:16I thought had great vision on the cutbacks to me kind of look like a younger version of what I saw from
52:22Dobbins, both at Ohio state with the Ravens. Reminded me a little bit of like a young MJD MJD.
52:28Maurice Jones drew for a throwback low center of gravity, understanding where to cut back, when to come back, when to bust
52:34outside, but also has that ability to kind of like narrow his, um, I guess, narrow his path to get extra yards.
52:40Really good day or really good, uh, debut for me watching his film.
52:43I didn't watch his week one tape. Boston for me is actually a buy.
52:47I'm really high on what I saw from Denzel Boston.
52:50I watched that entire tape. I thought he had excellent timing on an intermediate back shoulder with Watson.
52:55The fact that Watson's already throwing him back shoulders was interesting to me.
52:59I counted three times where Watson went to him on third downs.
53:02Uh, that to me is extremely important. There was almost another touchdown for Boston on a third and six red zone fade
53:08vert that he just wasn't able to come down with.
53:11That would have made the game even bigger. Obviously the big play touchdown was some bad tackling.
53:15It was also great contact balance burst post catch.
53:18I thought he did a great job of, of, uh, running that route too.
53:22He had to get it. It was a really tight coverage throw by Deshaun.
53:26One of the best throws he's made in years.
53:28And Boston had to run a really precise route to get to that spot.
53:32And he did. And then there was a late third down where they had a Casey Concepcion come in motion.
53:38So they could guarantee that they would get the right leverage from the outside corner.
53:42And it was just a quick out to Boston, but Boston was the guy that designed that play for.
53:47And I just think we can't forget how good Todd Munkin is.
53:50All the advanced stats, all the metrics show. He's been one of the best five play callers and play designers over the last two seasons.
53:57As bad as the Browns are, I feel like a Boston was the go-to guy on third downs B.
54:03He's showing great timing and rapport and building a timing report with, with Deshaun Watson and see, you still have Todd Munkin.
54:09So Boston for me is somebody I'm really interested in moving forward based on what I saw on tape.
54:14And you could discredit the, the fluky touchdown he had bouncing off tacklers.
54:18That's fair, but he also had a six, he almost had a 16 yard touchdown up the left sideline and just didn't, wasn't able to hang onto it.
54:25Uh, so he's becoming a pretty, looks like a favorite target for Deshaun Watson, who is not playing.
54:30And he did it in a variety of ways, by the way, the outbreaking routes, he had a comeback route.
54:36He had the vertical route you talked about. And then that deep in cut, there was just a lot of different routes
54:42that he won on, which I like. I would also say that, look, this guy's by no means a must roster player,
54:48but if you're in a deeper league, I wouldn't give up on Caleb Douglas.
54:52He had a bad game and you know, they had, they had a bad game at San Francisco, but, uh, he played again.
54:58He ran pretty much all the routes and we think he's a pretty talented player.
55:02So it's going to be up and down. 49ers defense is legit this year too.
55:07They're going to be one of the better in the NFL.
55:10I'd like to see them play a team that's not the dolphins and a team that's not sleep deprived.
55:15Did you see that he had a boot on after the game?
55:18Oh no. Was that Douglas did? Yeah. Oh, how did I not see that?
55:22No, I didn't say, I'm sorry about that. All right.
55:25Both those guys are good. It's just like, I don't know.
55:28It's just like Cardinal Tate. Like I just, I've got a really hard time buying into these offenses.
55:33I think there's a real chance these are the best games Boston has, no matter how good he is.
55:38Right. We, we kind of thought, you know, some of these rookie wide receivers just didn't go to the best spots.
55:44Um, but at least they're not on the chargers.
55:46Our last big topic, what is wrong with the chargers offense?
55:50They had three drops. They had eight penalties. They had the second worst pressure rate allowed.
55:54Uh, their, uh, their right tackle. Joe all had a terrible game apparently.
55:58And it's, uh, Arizona and the chargers, Arizona and the Raiders to start the year.
56:02This is going to be amazing. Well, it really hasn't been amazing.
56:05Uh, Jacob, you can go first. I think you're going to spew a lot of hatred right now at the direction of
56:11the San Diego or Los Angeles chargers. Um, yeah, I watched this game.
56:15It was pretty rough, but I think it's, I think it's mostly the line, honestly.
56:19And there were, it could have been so much different.
56:22Um, I, it's, it was a really frustrating game if you like want to believe in it.
56:26So just like throughout the game, I can just take you through what happened.
56:30There was Brandon Thompson dropped this perfect throw from Herbert at the beginning of the game.
56:35Would have been a 25 yard gain to move the chains.
56:38They ended up getting into third and three on that possession.
56:41It's Thompson again, massive win at the top of his route, wide open for a 20 plus yard gain.
56:46Herbert steps up, avoids two pass rushers, delivers the ball perfectly.
56:49And our own to Gadsden tries to intercept it.
56:52And then like the next drive, third and five perfect pass to Njoku.
56:55And he freaking like volleyball sets it like alley oops it to the Raiders for an intercept.
57:00And it's just like, here we go. Like it's.
57:02Yep. Like we're all nervous heading into the afternoon games that it's going to be bad again.
57:07Next drive starts at the one yard line. And of course their line can't block.
57:11So they just try to run the ball. It doesn't work.
57:14They punt next drive third and 11 to McConkie.
57:17Finally, like we actually get something moving a little bit here.
57:20Um, the line creates some room to run. We're actually moving Hampton camp caps it off the touchdown.
57:25And I was like, okay, this is kind of what we thought it could look like.
57:29But that was like the only good drive for the whole freaking game.
57:33Um, two minute drill, perfect ball to QJ along the sideline, right in his hands.
57:37Would have been 18 yards dropped that one. Uh, there's the Trey Harris play third and one in the third quarter.
57:43He's in motion. They snap the ball into his leg as he's like in motion.
57:47And Herbert gets credited with a fumble. He has three fumbles on the game.
57:51One of them was that. Um, and at that point, I think it's just kind of over.
57:56Like it's really, really derailed and it's the, everybody's kind of panicking.
57:59It really does seem like Herbert is, uh, in panic mode a little bit at this time.
58:04And so that's where you get to the, I think the sack fumble that everybody kind of saw on red zone where
58:10he's like trying to stiff harm the guy. Um, that was a, that was the first truly bad Herbert play I saw.
58:16So in week one, I was actually really critical of Herbert.
58:19I thought he did not play well. Um, but he was still pretty accurate in that game for the most part.
58:25There were a couple of bad misses, but generally speaking, he was pretty accurate.
58:29And in this game, I thought he was very accurate again.
58:32I'm curious what the charting looks like, but to me, he threw it well throughout the game until that Trey Harris play.
58:38And then it all fell apart. Um, so on that fumble, he has Trey Harris wide open and doesn't take it.
58:43And then immediately there's a free blitzer coming and he decides to try to like make the rollout hero play to the right and fumbles.
58:50And luckily they get it, it could have easily been a touchdown and it just keeps getting worse.
58:55Then you, you miss QJ along the sideline. I think a lot of people saw all this stuff at the end of the game.
59:02And so it feels a lot worse than it was, but really this didn't have to be this way, man.
59:08Like it really spiraled out of control. And at the end of the game, it's like, there's the, the play where he
59:14fumbles trying to do this stiff arm. And then there's the freaking Amarin Hampton fumble.
59:18And I just feel like the vibes at that point were so out of control, bad, just horrific.
59:23It was just so over at that point. And then it all culminates in the second straight week of Herbert, for some
59:29reason, trying to fit it into five foot eight, 165 pound Darius Davis, a double coverage for an interception to end the game.
59:35It's just like, what is going on? And so now we're at the point we are today where everybody is like, Mike
59:41McDaniel is not going to make it through the season.
59:44Justin Herbert and his, his girlfriend's the problem. He's her wife.
59:47He's, he's an idiot. He's terrible. Like, I don't know.
59:50I think all the players are good, except for the line.
59:53The line's playing terrible. I don't think the players are that good though.
59:57I do. I don't think the McConkie is good.
59:59He's McConkie is very good. They don't have an explosive receiver.
60:02Like Quentin Johnson's not that good. He's fine. I don't know.
60:05I think their talent's overrated. McConkie is really, really good.
60:08I think Trey Harris is actually really good. He played really well in this game.
60:12He didn't play great in the first game, but I played really well today.
60:16Yeah, he's like wide open for a big play, you know, and ran.
60:20I mean, I'll trust you on that. He got himself.
60:22He was open a lot. He was open a lot.
60:25I don't think he's a really good blocker. I think he's just a good player.
60:29And then Brendan Thompson, I think he's actually really good too.
60:32He was winning repeatedly. He had a bad drop at the beginning of the game, but like, he's actually good if you have to go to him.
60:40I don't know, man. I mean, I think it might be good, but this is not, I don't think it's one of the most talented offenses.
60:47I think it can be, but I don't think it is right now for a lot of reasons.
60:52From what I saw on the tape, Jacob did a great job.
60:55I don't know how stupid these drives ended, but there was one more stupid one where Herbert goes to the play side
61:01on a two-man concept trying to find McConkie. It's not there.
61:05He somehow found a way to navigate the pocket, step through it and throw to a wide open Thompson and Gadsden like thinks the ball's coming for him.
61:12And like, oh, you said that when I was third and three, I was at the beginning of the game.
61:18That was the beginning. Yeah. I missed that one, but that's another one.
61:21And Thompson missed the drop earlier. It was a really bad drop.
61:25You had the joke. I put all five of the plays on Twitter that ended drives that were either horrific drops by
61:31Johnson, Thompson, Johnson on another, and then the stupid fumble snap on third and one that killed the drive.
61:36But they're also playing at a slow pace, which is not helpful.
61:39And I think the bigger issue that I have right now outside of what Jacob said is, is Mike McDaniel a fake sharp?
61:46I'm starting to wonder that because this offensive design does not fit Herbert's skillset.
61:50There's way too many of these slow, long developing play action passes with a bad interior offense line.
61:55But we're the time where like Herbert turns his back to the defense.
61:58By the time he turns around, the pressure is like right in his face.
62:02And it's like, all right, you might've developed a good route combination behind this play action pass McDaniel, but there's no time for it.
62:09So now we're off schedule immediately. There's also times where Herbert, who I think has looked way less comfortable in the pocket
62:15than I've seen him since last season when the offensive line broke down is just missing reads, like missing open in breakers
62:21and over routes on the backside of digs that on the backside of routes that I usually see him understand the concept
62:27of and hit, but he's not because he looks a little more, I guess, I don't want to say the word panic,
62:33but just uncomfortable in the pocket than he's used to because his offensive line is bad.
62:38But then there's also stats that kind of back up the idea of like, maybe it's not all there for McDaniel as it used to be.
62:45Um, and these are, uh, courtesy of Pat Thorman, who's really good at doing this.
62:49And he said, Mike McDaniel neutral pass rates with Tua 2022, 63%, second, the NFL 2023, 62%, fourth in the NFL.
62:55This is when he was actually an amazing offensive coordinator in my mind.
62:58And they were actually an explosive offense that I thought they would be with a player like Herbert last two seasons.
63:04He's been 18th and 22nd with Justin Herbert 31st in neutral pass rate through the first two weeks.
63:09The chargers are 31st in neutral script drop back rate with the Rams still pending tonight.
63:14Another one that he had is related to that.
63:16The chargers have a league worst minus 19.7 EPA as a rushing offense through two weeks.
63:21So for some reason, he's running the ball neutral game scripts more than all, but one team.
63:25And they've been one of the worst, if not the worst so far, the league worst team at running the football, um, in through the first two weeks.
63:33So I don't know what is going on. I think personally, they need to do some of the stuff that Herbert was,
63:39was great with in the past, instead of just leaning fully into the things that McDaniel thinks will work to me.
63:45It's like, he's running the Tua offense for Herbert, which I don't know, but the more recent two offense, the two offense
63:51before it was, you know, waddle and Hill, not the 2022 23 version, like the more recent version, which maybe is because he doesn't trust his offensive line.
63:59McDaniel, that could be the case. I don't know, but this is not working schematically at all right now.
64:04And I feel like Jacob was spot on with Herbert through a lot of on target passes.
64:09I mean, you could, someone tweeted, I tweeted the cut up Adam and Jacob and someone was like, ah, that Njoku pass
64:15was a little bit thrown under thrown. I'm like, dude, he's throwing a far hash rip 35 yards down the field.
64:2190% of NFL quarterbacks would be under thrown to the point of intercepted or not even trying that throw.
64:26The ball hits Njoku in the, in the chest, in two hands, it pops it up for an interception.
64:31I mean, I don't know, man. All right. Well, I think there's their sixth and running back rush success rate.
64:37The EPA is because of the fumbles. Okay. The, uh, the dolphins, it's a fair counter to Pat's tweet.
64:42That's fair. But the neutral pass, the run rate still is really high.
64:46Let me tell you his first year with the dolphins, 2022.
64:49Um, they started, this is the points per game.
64:5120, 42, nine, uh, 21, 15, 17, 16, 16.
64:54It's pretty bad for the first seven games. Then 31, 35, 39, 30, 17, 17, 29, 22 gets hurt.
64:5921 Bridgewater gets hurt. 11. They got better in the second half of the year.
65:03And there's a article from the LA times. It says Mike McDaniels complicated scheme is turning charges offense into a disaster.
65:09I mean, it's possible. They just need time to adjust to it.
65:12It is possible. Yeah. I will say one player I'm very worried about though.
65:16Is a player was super high on Quinton Johnson.
65:19The reason being, the reason I liked him so much was the improvements he made throughout his career, specifically last season.
65:24Right now he looks like a player who's playing without confidence.
65:27The concentration drops are back. This is back-to-back weeks and I think it's a big problem because that was what he was in his rookie season.
65:35He was a player who was playing unconfidently and that could happen to players throughout their career.
65:39More so corners than receivers, but you see it with receivers as well.
65:43So he was a player I was super high on and I'm very worried about right now.
65:48If they can have all the random stuff not happen with all the drops and everything.
65:52And then also if Ladd can be healthy, I think that they could be fine.
65:56QJ is not playing very well, but I honestly do think that they can replace some of the guys that I said,
66:02that Trey Harris, Brennan Thompson, even Keith Mitchell on some of the drags and stuff like that is fine.
66:08They've been lining him up at receiver a lot.
66:10I don't disagree that they could be better, but I've run into this problem on this particular show where I've looked at
66:16teams that are struggling and I've gone through the tape and I've been like, oh, well, they had this play that was a drop.
66:23They had a penalty here. And you know what happens?
66:26They keep messing up. Yeah, that's possible. Also, a lot of teams that are doing well on offense also have these types
66:32of setbacks during the game, but they're good enough to compensate for it.
66:35We can't have a team with the Chargers where it's like everything has to go right for them to be okay.
66:41And meanwhile, they just played the Raiders and the Cardinals.
66:44And next up, they've got the Bills, which I think could be okay.
66:47Seahawks, Broncos, Chiefs, Bay, Rams, Houston, Ravens. Yeah. I'm pretty freaking concerned here.
66:51Great point. Schedule's horrible. And yeah. If I had to guess, it's probably like 75% over like 25% chance it could get better, but probably not happening.
66:59Yeah. Probably going to go bad. All right. You still start McConkie with confidence and Hampton with confidence?
67:04I don't know. He only had like a 40% route rate.
67:07I don't. McConkie. I mean, Hampton, you still for sure.
67:09Hampton. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about McConkie. I just don't know when he's back and they're letting him play.
67:15Sure. Yeah. I think it's 70% route rate. Maybe I saw that right.
67:18Maybe I saw 40% snap rate. You could be right.
67:21Okay. Either way, they weren't doing as much of the over the middle stuff.
67:25Like when he got an over the middle target, he immediately went down.
67:29Like it just seemed like they were trying to protect him.
67:32On that 19 yarder. Yep. Okay. Thanks guys. Great show today.
67:35Fun stuff. Even though it was all depressing. That's what people want.
67:38They asked us about depressing teams. They always, yeah.
67:40They always want to know more about the players who are doing poorly than the players who were doing.
67:46Well, I would have loved to talk about Bryce Young today, but that'll be tomorrow on the WaiverWire show.
67:51Thanks for watching and listening to Beyond the Box score.
67:54We'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today.
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