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2:37Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
2:40Sunday night recap of week five. A lot of scoring.
2:43Game of the week was a hit. Everyone loves that.
2:46And here we are breaking down to the games.
2:49What was the game of the week? Oh, the Seahawks 49ers, of course.
2:53Very good. Dave sort of ruined taking... Oh, sure.
2:56Blame me. No, no. I'm happy. I was gonna do Bills-Rams, but it worked out.
3:00All right. Top five scorers. Go. Any position. Drake May.
3:04Drake May's gotta be up there. Jared Goff's gotta be up there.
3:07Christian Watson's gotta be up there. Jalen Warren. Jameer Gibbs.
3:10Yep. Those guys should be up there. You nailed him.
3:13There are two others. Joe Burrow and Isaiah Likely are basically tied with one.
3:18Oh, yeah. Isaiah Likely. I don't know who had it in non-decimal, but in decimal they're tied at 32 points.
3:24Very good. Jameis Winston with 31. Bucky Irving, 31.
3:26Jaden Daniels, 31. Parker Washington, 30. How many? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
3:3211 30-point scores this week at all positions with Sunday night and Monday night still to play.
3:37How does that compare to last week? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
3:417 last week. And we had two teams on bye.
3:44This was a much better fantasy week. Much more fun.
3:48I hope this whole show is you counting things.
3:50Okay. Let's count to one winner. Heath, who's the biggest winner from fantasy week five?
3:55Mike is no longer dismayed. I would like to officially nominate QB1 Drake May for the LOL Remember When We Were Worried About Him Award.
4:03Drake May was spectacular. He's running. He's throwing. Doesn't even need Romeo Dobbs.
4:07Awesome, awesome fantasy day for him. And maybe more importantly, he's one week closer to getting A.J.
4:12Brown back. Second career 300-yard game for him. He's been QB1.
4:15And this is obviously pending Monday night and Sunday night, but really Monday night.
4:19QB1 back-to-back weeks. Yeah, pretty cool. He looks great.
4:22It has helped that he just isn't really facing a lot of pass rush pressure.
4:27That was the one thing that I was a little bit worried about from him against the Raiders.
4:32But he crushed them. He crushed them. And when you look at his schedule, I don't know how many defenses are in
4:39front of him now that are going to put a lot of pressure on him.
4:44He's playing great. It's buyback all the way in time.
4:47Okay. Well, Dave, if that was the biggest winner, who is the biggest loser?
4:51We got to talk about Chase Brown. Yeah. He has 12-plus PPR points in one of his last four games.
4:57Does that sound right? It sounds right to me.
5:00No touchdowns in those games. His unofficial snap rate today was 60%.
5:03That's low. His schedule coming up isn't so great.
5:06I am hoping, but this is just strictly hope, that the Bengals go into their bye and say, we need to get him going.
5:13We need to get our run game going. But those might be two separate conversations.
5:18They might say that they want to get their run game going and not necessarily put it all on Chase Brown.
5:25We got away with one last week because of all the targets and the catches, and he still had a few targets and catches today against Miami.
5:33But this is Miami. This was supposed to be the game that he would go off and have huge numbers in, and we would say, all right.
5:41All is well in the world. Chase Brown's a man.
5:4413 carries, 39 yards. His longest run was seven yards.
5:47He really just did not have a ton of room, and he didn't even have the most carries on his team.
5:54Samadja Piran had one more. I think you have to lower expectations now for Chase Brown.
5:58Jamie, how do you feel about that? Chase Brown also had a fumble.
6:02At the time of the fumble, he had six carries.
6:05Piran had four. Yeah, I didn't even mention that.
6:08Yeah. And after that, Piran got some work. But I don't know.
6:12This is a terrible day for a guy who was 100% started, Chase Brown.
6:16Should have been a layup. Should have been a layup.
6:19I mean, Dolphins' run defense has been absolutely atrocious for the majority of the season so far.
6:24So, you know, I mean, look, you don't have to worry about starting him next week.
6:29So, you get a reprieve if he's been, you know, killing your fantasy team.
6:34I still think there's a buy-low opportunity here because he's so talented and plays in this offense.
6:39And when they're healthy, they're going to score points.
6:42And so, this is just one of those games where Joe Burrow, you know, it was some, you know, stupid touchdowns in terms of Mike Isecki, Samajay P.
6:50Ryan and Tanner Hudson with the first three scorers for them.
6:54So, there's reason to be concerned. There's also reason to, you know, want to still have this guy on your team.
7:00What are the reasons to still have this guy on your team?
7:04Again, very talented offense, very talented player. You saw the catch potential last week.
7:08And I know it was because of the injuries of the wide receiver.
7:12But there's always going to be those type of games when they're chasing points and they're throwing the ball a lot that
7:19he's going to be involved catching the ball more so than he was today.
7:23I don't know. I mean, if somebody's selling Chase Brown, I'm still buying.
7:27Now, listen, Joe Burrow wasn't playing for much of the beginning of last year.
7:31But he didn't score more than 13.1 fantasy points in any of his first seven games last season.
7:37And then it took off. Chase Brown, in case anyone missed that, I know we had a weird audio thing, didn't score
7:43more than 13.1 PPR fantasy points in any of his first seven games.
7:47And then he just went berserk. So, hopefully he can pick it up.
7:51Now, you say the Dolphins' defense is really bad.
7:54They give up a lot of fantasy points. But coming into the game, they were only allowing 4.1 yards per carry to running backs.
8:01And so far, he has faced teams that are allowing 3.4, 3.5, 4.1, 2.5, and 4.0 yards per carry to running backs.
8:08So, the schedule hasn't been as good as it might look on paper.
8:12But still, he should have been able to do more against the Dolphins.
8:16Would you like to know who he's playing after the bye?
8:19I see, yes. He has Baltimore, Tennessee, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Washington.
8:23There's some good matchups, some bad matchups. He should be basically matchup-proof if they throw to him enough.
8:28But they're not. I mean, three or fewer catches in three of five games.
8:32And then the one game with 11. You said something this morning in regards to Saquon Barkley.
8:38If we were redrafting him, we draft Barkley at this point, knowing what we know.
8:42It's the same thing with Chase Brown. He would be more of a third-round pick at this point than anything else.
8:49And I think the three guys that are in that range that, you know, if you're looking at it with Amari and
8:55Hampton, like, you're not drafting any of those three guys.
8:58Chase Brown, Saquon Barkley, or Hampton in the first two rounds.
9:02Yeah. All right. Well, that was the biggest winner from Heath, the biggest loser from Dave.
9:07Jamie, who is the biggest tie today? I mean, if you want me to tell you the player that I have is
9:13a winner from a fantasy perspective, it's the guy who tied with the stupidest play at the end of the game.
9:20And that's Jayne Daniels. Look, we were worried what he was going to do physically.
9:24And not having Stefan Diggs and not having 100% of Terry McLaurin, the rushing was there, which is what we're hoping to see from him.
9:32The majority of the time when he's on the field that he's, we know he's capable of that.
9:37He's not going to do that on a weekly basis, but that's the reason why we love him as a fantasy quarterback.
9:44So stupid decision at the end of the game from a reality perspective.
9:48But great to see Jayne Daniels not afraid to use his legs and run and be a dominant rusher at that position.
9:55Okay. NFL memes with the tweet of the year.
9:58Jayne Daniels thought the clock would stop at five seconds out of respect for him.
10:02That is so funny. And that was just a wild sequence.
10:06And then the Eagles-Jaguars game was insane. How did they win that game?
10:10How did they lose that game? Because Sirianni's a moron.
10:13Yeah, he took responsibility. He said he should have kicked the ball out of bounds.
10:17Did the Jaguars have any timeouts left? Poop. Huh?
10:20Did they have any timeouts left? They had no timeouts left.
10:23None. None. Yeah, so you kick the ball out of bounds.
10:27It goes to the 40. It's not that unrealistic for them to get into Cam Little's field goal range.
10:33They're 10 yards away from being able to. I don't know that it was the wrong decision.
10:38No, you kick it in the end zone. You don't let him get a chance to return.
10:43He said he should have kicked it out of bounds.
10:46I don't know if they could have kicked it in the end zone.
10:50I don't know if they often kick it in the end zone.
10:54Or like through the end zone. But he said he should have kicked it out of bounds.
10:59But that I don't think would have been a great solution either.
11:02Unbelievable. All right. News and notes. Caleb Williams could be back next week.
11:06Will Shipley left in the second quarter with an injury.
11:10They get Carolina next week. We don't know if it'll be Saquon Barkley back, if Shipley will be back, if it'll be Damian Pierce.
11:17Quinshawn Judkins was apparently in a walking boot. And Raheem Sanders left with a hip injury as well.
11:22They get Baltimore next week. David Montgomery left with a groin injury.
11:26Woody Marks had a lot of work today. They get the Jaguars next week, the toughest run defense in football.
11:32Aaron Jones left, but then he returned. Travion Henderson left.
11:35And Dave is going to talk about Ramondre Stevenson as a winner a little bit later.
11:40I think you can make the case even if Henderson hadn't left Stevenson a winner.
11:45Yep. Oh, the Texans acquired Marvin Harrison Jr. Heath, what do we think about this?
11:49Or they are going to acquire him? You know, I think if you have him on your dynasty roster, it gives you some reason for hope.
11:57Perhaps this coaching staff will unlock something in him, use him in some way that it wasn't going to get any better in Arizona.
12:05So hopefully it does here. He's reunited with CJ Stroud.
12:08That's about the most positive thing that we could say right now.
12:11And he's on a team that normally you would think he's going to the Texans.
12:16Well, they just play defense and run. They can't run at all.
12:20So you're going to get 35 passes. They can play defense.
12:23Yeah. Do you think it'll have any effect on Nico Collins?
12:26No. I hope not. It'd be weird if it did.
12:29It may make him a lot better. There's so many guys in that two through six spot that they have on the roster.
12:36It's just frustrating. Yeah. All right. I think it's a little weird that they did it.
12:41We'll talk about it later. It's not applicable to fantasy.
12:44Meanwhile, CJ Stroud, three games with Nico Collins, more than 20 fantasy points in all three.
12:49So don't overlook him. And Debo Samuel left with a hamstring injury in the third quarter.
12:54He was immediately ruled out, as was Casey Concepcion, who took a big hit to the head in the first quarter.
13:01TJ Hawkinson, unfortunately, he left in the first quarter.
13:03And they get a bye this week. So hopefully he can come back.
13:07I think it's a concussion for Hawkinson. It is.
13:10Yes. So he should be back. Well, you don't never say that, but hopefully back in two weeks against the Colts.
13:16Dalton, did Dalton Schultz come back? Or did he just get hurt?
13:20He got hurt. All right. We'll try to look at that.
13:23I'm looking at it right now. He played 32 snaps.
13:27So about half the snaps. So I would imagine that something happened.
13:30Isaiah played into the. No, he was on the field for the last play of the game.
13:35It was a kneel down. He was there. Okay.
13:38Isaiah likely left in the fourth quarter in overtime.
13:41Over time. He ripped off. So that he had a huge game, hopefully back next week for the Saints and against the
13:48Saints and Kenyon Sadiq left with a head injury.
13:50They're at New England next week. There are a lot of offensive line things to know about.
13:56Left tackle Anton Harrison for the Jaguars. Left tackle Will Campbell for the Patriots.
14:00Right tackle Titus Howard for the Browns. Right tackle Jermaine Erluminor for the Giants.
14:04They all left with injuries. On defense, the Chicago Bears had a lot of injuries.
14:09We don't know if it was maybe because they left because of the score.
14:13But four defensive players for the Bears got hurt.
14:16And they get the Falcons on the road next week.
14:19They lost to the Packers. They're at the Falcons next week.
14:22The Bengals got a little banged up. They're going to their bye.
14:26The Eagles got a little banged up. They get the Panthers.
14:29And there was one other team that got seriously.
14:32The Patriots maybe? I don't know. But the Bears are the big one.
14:36Yeah, they lost some players. Early look at the waiver wire, Jamie.
14:40The Bourne identity waiver wire. Who are we looking at on the waiver wire?
14:44Yeah, Kendrick Bourne is probably going to be the lead receiver to go get.
14:48Kamani Vidal at running back was one that stood out.
14:51Obviously, Damian Pierce. If there is no Barkley or Shipley.
14:54Three quarterbacks, I think, made the list so far.
14:57Aaron Rodgers has just been great. Jacoby, not Jacoby, sorry, excuse me.
15:01Jameis Winston coming off another strong game as well.
15:03And I would still look at Kirk Cousins. Easier matchup next week at home against Buffalo by comparison to going on the road to play New England.
15:12So there will be some injury guys that we look at, you know, again, from the Eagles backfield.
15:17And then I'm trying to think of any tight ends that stood out that you should go get.
15:23Hunter Henry had a nice game. Henry was one.
15:26Every week is going to be like, oh, Hunter Henry.
15:29Oh, Hunter Henry. Yeah, that same group of guys like Dalton Schultz and Hunter Henry.
15:33And this week was Hawkinson. You know, Gusecki, you want to go back to him just because of the touchdown.
15:39Oh, Brent Strange. He's been playing well. Yeah. And Pat Fragmuth.
15:43Oh, Jeremy Bernard was another receiver with Roman Wilson getting hurt.
15:46Oh, right. I didn't mention that. Nine targets. Yep.
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15:54Ooh. Who? I don't think I know how to pronounce his name.
15:58Oh, the Cardinals. Tegan Kiti Oro. No. Oro. Quidorano.
16:01Quidorano. Oh, you nailed it. Quidorano. Quentin Tarantino of the Cardinals.
16:04Tegan. Um, 20. If, uh, CeeDee Lamb is banged up, uh, Jake Ferguson and Ryan Flannoy, uh, we'll see what his injury
16:11is, but obviously those two guys will benefit as well.
16:14You're joking about Quidorano, right? Of course. Yeah. But Roman Wilson did leave and I forgot to mention that.
16:20All right. We're going to get into some winners.
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16:44Heath, give me your two winners. Uh, I already gave you one of them, so I'm just going to give you one more and that's Ollie Gordon.
16:53Another fantastic performance. Apparently he's just going to be better for fantasy than Devon HN, which makes perfect sense.
16:58Um, didn't do anything in the passing game. This was a terrible performance from the Dolphins offense for most of the game.
17:05But I think if nothing else, if you spent all that fab on Ollie Gordon, you got two great weeks and now
17:12you have a legitimate sell candidate if you don't believe in it.
17:16Like people might actually give you something for Ollie Gordon and you might just want to keep starting them.
17:21Would you take Chase Brown for Ollie Gordon? Oh, I 100% take Chase Brown.
17:26Would you have an Ashton Gentry then I assume as well?
17:29Yes. Yeah. Dolphins have had eight snaps inside the five in their last two games.
17:34Big turnaround from the first three weeks of the season.
17:37Adam thought you were making fun of them. It was, no, this is a positive trend.
17:42No, no, no. For them, it's huge. It's wild.
17:44It's, it's amazing. Good for them. Yeah. And he's, he isn't catching passes, but he's getting so much work.
17:50So that's good. You can hold them. Or like he'd said, you can try to sell high.
17:55By the way, your other sell, your other winner was Drake May.
17:59So you got, we got an email from Mike who.
18:02Oh, good. Yeah. And he said, we owe. So he is still dismayed.
18:06He is still dismayed. Now, Mike is a guy who had a bet with Heath last year, a Drake May bet.
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21:39Drake May scores 47.5 fantasy points. And we get an email that says, where'd I go?
21:44Got me? Did you lose me? We hear you.
21:47Okay. Sorry. Drake May has this amazing performance, and we get an email from Mike that says, the Patriots started one and two last year.
21:55You guys put Drake May on the Worryometer two weeks ago.
21:58You had the audacity to rank him ninth this week.
22:01Please have the crew fill out the attached form and send it to me by Tuesday.
22:06So here is the Drake May apology form. And, oh God, I'm having so many internet issues here.
22:11Reason for behavior. Why were you mean to Drake May?
22:14The media convinced me he was a bust. I didn't watch the actual games.
22:19I don't know ball. I thought he wouldn't bounce back from the Super Bowl.
22:23I was jealous of Drake May. Or I thought Drake May lover, which is Mike, was delusional.
22:28And I hereby respect Drake May going forward. So you have to fill this out, guys.
22:33That's great. Yeah. It's really good. The reason that we ranked him so low is not on there.
22:39It was because he kept giving the ball to the other team and looked completely lost.
22:43But I'm glad he's figured out he was awesome today, and it's good to have him back.
22:49It is. It is. Absolutely. Okay. Dave's winners are Ramondre Stevenson and Woody Marks, two guys who had their backfield teammate get hurt.
22:56Yeah. Yeah. Kind of easy to put them together and call them winners because of that.
23:01And we don't know what the long-term prognosis is for their backfield mates.
23:05But even if their backfield mates were back, I would still say that they're winners.
23:09Let's start with Ramondre. Started in 48% of leagues.
23:12That number's going up. 4.9 yards per carry. Three catches.
23:15Had a touchdown. His schedule moving forward, next seven games, there's a buy in there.
23:20But it's Jets, Bears, Dolphins, Packers, Lions, Chargers, Bills.
23:22I love this schedule. And we know he's going to be the passing downs back.
23:27We know he's going to be the goal line back.
23:30As long as he holds on to the football, he should be good to go as a regular starter, as a number two fantasy running back moving forward.
23:39He could even be a top 12 running back if there is no Travion Henderson, maybe even top 10.
23:44Let's get crazy. Woody Marks has only started in 14% of leagues.
23:48He finally had some efficiency. Finally, a Texans running back with efficiency, 4.1 yards per carry.
23:53He had four catches. We know that he can play in passing downs.
23:57And we're going to see him continue to get those check down throws.
24:01Held up decently as the lead running back with Montgomery sidelined.
24:04His schedule is tougher. He's got Jacksonville next week.
24:07But even if Monty's out, or especially if Monty's out, you're still going to go with Marks because he's going to get a lot of work.
24:15They've got the Giants after that, then a buy, then the Chargers after.
24:19It's not really that great of a schedule. The schedule lean is much better for a remodder than Woody, but at least
24:26Woody Marks, if you've got him on your team, the floor is a bi-week running back and the ceiling is a low
24:32end number two fantasy running back and half and full PPR.
24:36And maybe something gets going here with him because he's had a little bit more juice than Montgomery really all season long.
24:42What's your favorite juice? Apple, orange, prune? Prune? Well, how old do you think I am, man?
24:48Put me down for orange. Jamie Heath? Happy to...
24:50Favorite juice? Yeah. The lemonade count? No. Why not?
24:53It's not a juice. There's a difference between lemon juice and lemonade.
24:57Does fruit punch count? Yeah, it's multiple fruits. Fine.
25:00Okay. Heath, your answer? I like a nice cherry juice.
25:03What? It's not a thing. Yeah, 100% of the thing.
25:06We always have multiple containers of cherry juice in our refrigerator.
25:09Oh, okay. I thought Heath was going to name his favorite beer.
25:13I thought he was going to say like, oh, burnt ends.
25:16Would you rather have Ramondre Stevenson or Ollie Gordon rest of season?
25:20Ramondre. Yeah, I agree. We're just going to continue to take a beating at the hands of Ollie Gordon, but Ramondre is who I'll take.
25:27Jamie, Braylon Allen and Jaden Daniels were your winners.
25:30Braylon Allen was awesome today. He did fumble. He had a drop as well.
25:34The conditions were not great, but 24 carries, 116 yards and a touchdown.
25:38And Jaden Daniels scored 32.3 fantasy points against the Giants.
25:42Yeah, just to recap Daniels, the fact that he was running in this weather was great to see with the first game back from his elbow injury.
25:50So aside from the brain fart at the end of the game, I think there's still plenty of reasons to want to
25:56start Jaden Daniels rest of season as long as he's healthy.
26:00You should still continue to carry a backup quarterback because of the risk of injury for him.
26:05And again, did this without Stephon Diggs and a less than 100% of Terry McCorn.
26:10And for Braylon Allen, I think as long as there is no Brees Hall, you're going to start Braylon Allen as worst
26:16case scenario, a number two running back and maybe a borderline number one guy if he continues to get this amount of work.
26:23So you'd like to see a little bit more involvement in the passing game.
26:28I just don't know if there's going to be his profile.
26:31But to me, this is just a better version of what you're getting from Olly Gordon just based on how he's going
26:38to run and the offense he's going to play.
26:41So are you at all concerned about Brees Hall when he comes back with how well Braylon Allen has played?
26:47He's not bad last week either. Slightly. I think, you know, just going back to the offseason and Dave did a good
26:53job illustrating this a lot about Frank Reich's history and what Aaron Glenn wants to do is to use multiple running backs.
27:00I'm going to guess short term, it will be more Braylon Allen than we want to see.
27:05Long term, hopefully Brees Hall is, you know, the featured guy to the level that we need him to be.
27:11But I think that Braylon Allen and Brees Hall can both coexist as long as Brees Hall is getting the work in the passing game.
27:19That seems to be something that he had before the injury and should have once again.
27:24Yeah, Jets schedule is really nice moving forward too.
27:27I don't think you can really buy low on Brees Hall, but maybe someone's got Brees on their bench and they're desperate
27:33for guys who they can win with now. And if Brees is out next week, I would try and make the move for him.
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28:10And we're on to the losers. Can you just, as Giants fans, take us through the end of that game?
28:16It's not going to be that exciting from my perspective because I was doing my notes.
28:21Once the 1 o'clock games end, I start doing the notes.
28:24So I had the game on my laptop and I'm doing my notes on my other laptop.
28:29Obviously, I thought they were going to win. Scadaboo fumbled and I was just like, what a ridiculous game.
28:35Remember, they were down 14 in the fourth quarter, so a tie.
28:39I would have settled for a tie then. And then they could drive down the field and I'm resigned to my fate.
28:45But I wasn't really paying attention, just like Jaden Daniels at the end there.
28:50I didn't realize what was going on. And nobody did until like three seconds left.
28:54They're like, I don't ever timeouts. So, I mean, I got my Dan Schneier and one other guy group text.
29:00And it just didn't seem like it was a Giants day.
29:04They are so lucky to get that tie. So lucky.
29:07And, yeah, I don't really have much to say.
29:09It was just – I mean, it's just everything keeps working out for you.
29:14Like the – Yeah, I know. Cowboys lost Thursday the way that the Eagles lost today.
29:19But the last three Giants games, two interceptions in the end zone on like the final play of the game.
29:25And that, I mean, it's just – they've had such bad luck for so many years as like finally coming around, I guess.
29:32But they stink. Any of those four teams could win the division, you know, like I've been saying.
29:37But the Giants stink. They have to beat the Saints next week or it's over.
29:42They're not going to beat any good teams. And Tyler Shuck couldn't beat a good team today.
29:47The Vikings are 5-0. Anytime you have a player going up against the Vikings, the possibility for them to just kill your lineup is there, Jamie.
29:55And he had negative points, two fantasy points today.
29:58So, Tyler Shuck is one of your losers. And Jalen Waddell.
30:01You know, Davis Webb is a winner today, by the way, just to say that.
30:06But – I think Bo Nix is just a big loser across the board.
30:10Yeah, go ahead. Tyler Shuck, you got to keep an eye on this left-hand injury that he's dealing with that, you know,
30:17might contribute to some uncomfortable performances for him. But yes, this was Minnesota.
30:21You know, we were concerned going into this game that he would struggle.
30:25And it was worse than we ever imagined. So, hopefully he bounces back.
30:29Next week's a much better matchup, much easier opponent.
30:31We've seen what the Giants defense has allowed to a lot of quarterbacks already this season.
30:36So, hopefully there's an opportunity here for Shuck to look like the quarterback that we know he's capable of being.
30:42And you should go right back to him as a starting option for Jalen Waddell.
30:47I think it's just we have to consider him as a number three fantasy receiver at best until he starts to show some more consistent performances.
30:55This was just awful. You know, the fact that he just couldn't get opportunities.
30:59And, you know, forget about Pat Bryant. I don't think that was ever going to be like, oh, Pat Bryant's out.
31:06Now this is going to be what saves Jalen Waddell.
31:09I was under the hope that Sean Payton taking over, you made the big aggressive move to go get this guy, feature him.
31:16And I just don't think Bo Nix is capable of making anybody look that great.
31:20You know, so at this point, I'm hoping he could just be what Corlin Sutton has been the last two years, which
31:27has been a borderline number two, number three receiver.
31:30I think Jalen Waddell having a breakout season is still within their own possibility, but just hard to count on.
31:36Who would you rather have rest of the season?
31:39Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson. His schedule gets really hard.
31:42Don't care. He didn't even do that well today against the Lions.
31:46Don't care. I care. He's on the right team.
31:49I'd rather have Michael Wilson than Jalen Waddell. And you'd feel that way if Carson Beck were the quarterback for Arizona too, right?
31:56Probably. No. I don't know if Carson Beck could be worse than Bo Nix.
32:00We know. So like the way Bo Nix is playing now, maybe, but we've seen two years of Bo Nix being fine.
32:07You know, he's fine. I'm saying he's good, but he's, he's had a half this year where he's looked good.
32:13Struggling. He's struggling. Yeah. And I thought maybe being down seven points in the second half to the chargers in week five could get him fired up.
32:21Nope. They still found a way to win it.
32:24It was a touchdown. It was a good touchdown throw.
32:27Nice post route there. I think it was a post route to, to Corlin Sutton.
32:31It was a bullet. That's for sure. And then two field goals.
32:35Dave, do you agree? Michael Wilson over Jalen Waddell.
32:38Yeah. I mean, I'm taking the L for Waddell for sure.
32:41You know how excited I was about him this year, but part of it was predicated on Bo Nix taking a step
32:48forward and he's taken two steps back. Cause opposites attract.
32:51And wave your hands like a maniac. Whenever I hear two steps back, I think of the Transylvania two step.
32:57Plus it's October, you know, But who, who was Dave voting?
33:00I don't know. Opposite. What? Yeah. I don't know.
33:03Chat will let you know. Chat will let you know.
33:06Willie Nelson. That's one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the really, really memorable music videos.
33:13Yes. Of, of our, uh, I guess childhood, but Adam was like a super child back then.
33:18You know, the old fair may have never put MTV on.
33:22I like being the one who gives the references.
33:25Uh, Dave's losers are chase Brown and the Chicago bears who scored seven points, but Paula Abdul, opposites attract.
33:30Oh. Um, so can we just forget, can we just throw this out the window for the bears since they're probably getting Caleb next week?
33:38Oh, great. You remember what it was like when Caleb was the quarterback in the first two weeks of the season, week
33:45one, they put up a ton of points. How did Odunze do?
33:48How did burden do? How did Loveland do? I'm going to be sick, man.
33:53I, uh, Loveland was another guy. Everybody was excited about him.
33:56And last week, double digit PPR points were thinking, okay, he's turning the corner.
34:00This bears offense is playing on time. And then they run into the machine.
34:05That is the green Bay Packers defense. And just a total mess.
34:08Bayon got benched. Case Keenum wasn't particularly good either.
34:11And Romo Dunze had nine targets, three catches, a fumble burden was getting just a bunch of short throws.
34:17He had one nice play, a 23 yard catch, but just it's ugly.
34:21And now you're going to ask Caleb Williams to come in.
34:24And yeah, I think Caleb is still great as a fantasy quarterback, but you know what he's going to do, Adam?
34:31He's going to hold the ball and move all over the place.
34:34And you don't, I don't know if there's anything that you can really set your watch to with this bears offense.
34:41They've got so many guys that can contribute. And when things are going right, maybe two of them do maybe.
34:47And I'm talking about the passing. The run game, I think is a lot easier to kind of predict what's going to happen.
34:54Aren't they central time Dave? Yes. Thank you. Well, when they're at home, by the way.
34:59Anyway, 246 total net yards. They allowed four sacks.
35:02Just 10 of 40 throws were quick throws. That tells me that things were going on that weren't jibing with what they were doing last week.
35:09You've got to give credit to the Packers defense for stepping up this week.
35:14It's now time for Heath's losers. Dave's were the bears and chase Brown.
35:18Heath's losers. Josh Downs, 51% started out targeted by Keenan Allen and RJ Harvey.
35:22One target, no catches. Thanks, Sean. He sent that in before the half was over.
35:27So you were like, just Harvey's done. Well, because early in that game, it was Tyler Bidet playing on passing downs.
35:33And it was RJ Harvey. I think he had in the third quarter, two carries for six yards.
35:39Just a complete lack of involvement. Played 35% of the snaps.
35:42Had a season low 4% target share. Only a 7% target per route run when he was at like 40% for the season.
35:49Just an absolute Sean Payton middle finger to the RJ Harvey fantasy managers.
35:53And RJ himself, apparently. And disaster on that front.
35:56It's so discouraging for Josh Downs. Because I think everybody that I know that evaluates talent at wide receiver thinks Josh Downs
36:02is so much better than he ever produces. And Keenan freaking Allen comes back and out targets him.
36:08And this is what Keenan Allen's been doing the last two years of his career is not being good at producing yards or fantasy points.
36:16But still getting bunches of targets and ruining young wide receivers that we like.
36:20And he did it again. And even when he wasn't there, it was kind of spotty from Josh Downs.
36:26And Daniel Jones looks awful. And so, yeah, I guess he's a number three wide receiver who could have a 15-point spike week.
36:33Yeah. And I think what's so discouraging is that you actually got 267 passing yards in 44 attempts from Daniel Jones.
36:39And after two straight weeks with a 30% target share or better, you got 14% target share two straight weeks now for Josh Downs.
36:46And I think, like, he's fun because he gets open.
36:49He kills defenders and stuff like that. But he's still really small.
36:53He doesn't do much on the outside. I don't think he's making a bunch of contested catches.
36:58So from the talent. They just have three guys that do the same thing.
37:03Well, yeah. I mean, he does it better than Keenan Allen.
37:06But, yeah, I don't know. I don't think he was ever going to become, like, a star.
37:11I don't know. Maybe that's just me. Well, no.
37:14But we thought he was going to be a number two wide receiver.
37:18And if he was going to become a star, it would be because they traded away the one wide receiver in front of him.
37:25And the other one had a chronic injury that kept him out.
37:29Like, everything was there. You're going to still hold him, though, right?
37:33Don't drop Josh Downs? No. Not in a 12-team league.
37:36In a 10-team league, I probably would. You could talk me into dropping him in a half PPR or a non-PPR.
37:42He's definitely droppable in non-PPR. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
37:45Some goal line stuff. Before he got hurt, Will Shipley got a goal line touchdown, if you were paying attention this morning on the noon show.
37:53No, on the 830 to 930 show. I definitely had a hissy fit when that happened.
37:58I thought of you when it happened and kind of giggled a little.
38:02It was not good. It was embarrassing. You had a hissy fit?
38:05Why? I was so certain that Will Shipley was not going to have a good game.
38:10And then there was that stupid pass interference penalty that set them up.
38:14Right? Well, and we had an entire segment on the 830 show, Jamie, where Adam talked about how he didn't want to start Will Shipley.
38:22So he was going to pick up Kendrick Bourne to start over him.
38:26Yeah. And so, like, he really, he put himself out there.
38:29Yeah. And it ended up Will Shipley got hurt and it worked.
38:33I know. I didn't want Will Shipley to get hurt, but I just, you know, it's just so frustrating.
38:39Anyway, Ramond J. Stevenson, goal line. Chris Rodriguez was in at the goal line a lot.
38:44Bejal Tootin got a jet sweep at the goal line where a play where Chris Rodriguez was also in.
38:49But I think it's pretty clear they're both going to be used.
38:53But Rodriguez might be preferred. Kendrick Miller had a goal line touchdown.
38:57That was weird. Alvin Kamara got, like, no work in this game.
39:00Kendrick Miller was their guy and he scored at the goal line.
39:04He was hurt, though. Yeah, there was some speculation that he wasn't at 100% and that something happened in the game.
39:10He stayed on the sideline. He played into the fourth quarter.
39:14But something might have happened there. For Kamara. And this is a bad day for Cam Skadaboo, even before the fumble.
39:20He ended up with a decent stat line thanks to overtime.
39:24But Najee Harris was in at the goal line.
39:26And Skadaboo just couldn't get anything going. And that run game is struggling.
39:30A lot of almost touchdowns. But I think you'd rather hear us recap the game.
39:35But for those of you frustrated with Alman Ross St.
39:38Brown, he almost had a touchdown. Ollie Gordon. I almost had, like, four.
39:42Yeah, a second. Who? St. Brown? Yeah. Yeah. Ollie Gordon had a second touchdown overturned.
39:47Malik Neighbors had, like, three almost touchdowns and one real one.
39:50DK Metcalf drew a defensive penalty. Depends to pass interference in the end zone.
39:54On the next play, Pat Frymuth scored. And we're going to come back and talk about Jacksonville and Philadelphia.
40:00That's our first game. We'll look at all the Sunday action when we come back on Fantasy Football today.
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41:46Visit yearup.org to learn more. So, the Eagles lose a heartbreaker.
41:49Jacksonville 19, Philadelphia 17. But the Eagles only had the ball for 25 minutes, and they threw 40 passes.
41:55Jamie, do you think this might be closer to the new normal?
41:59Or at least we'll see a more pass-heavy team, even when Barkley comes back?
42:03Because this team, well, I guess they ran it decently with Barkley.
42:07But do you think we'll see more passes than usual from Jalen Hurts, or do you think that's just kind of a one-off?
42:14I think it's kind of a one-off. No Barkley, no Bigsby.
42:17Shipley gets hurt. You're playing against the Jaguars. It's just, you know, why would you try to run into the strength of
42:24that defense as opposed to at least maybe trying to have some plays in the passing game where teams have had more success doing that?
42:31Now, granted, they're doing that also without Devontae Smith on the field.
42:35So, it was just kind of, I think, see what works, and maybe they felt comfortable enough with putting the ball more
42:42so in Jalen Hurts' hand than in Damian Pierce's hands, which would make sense.
42:46So, I would not be expecting it to continue like that when Barkley's there because when Barkley's there, he will be their
42:53best player, at least if he's 100%. So, hopefully we get a healthy Saquon Barkley next week and we don't have to deal with Damian Pierce.
43:01Hi. Adam, we talked about it this morning. By the Eagles.
43:04Right now. Well, I don't think we had a consensus on that.
43:08We have a comment up here about the upcoming schedule, and I think that's what you want to highlight.
43:14Carolina, Dallas, Washington, New York Giants over the next month.
43:17Yeah. But I've already made the point that they have struggled against Tennessee, Chicago, and the Giants.
43:22That's true, but they're also, I think, going to get healthy the next month.
43:26I hope so. Well, their healthy is a different healthy now because of the offensive line changes.
43:31Right. So, you know, I thought they held up much better than I expected in this game given Jacksonville's defense.
43:37But what will they look like when they're healthy, and what will their situation be?
43:42Meaning, like, where are they at as a team at that point?
43:46Because it's going to get ugly moving forward with what Sirianni did today and the pressure that usually comes from that city and on that team.
43:54And so how will they respond? They've weathered a bunch of storms the last couple of years when things have gone through, you know, gone the negative route.
44:02So hopefully they continue to do that, and Hurts can get right, and Smith gets healthy.
44:07And it's good to see Goddard back out there and have a great day today.
44:12But, you know, did they find something in Darius Cooper, you know, that this kid could be a threat for them to
44:18at least give them something consistent on the other side from at least maybe a touchdown perspective because Ontavian Wicks has disappeared the last two games.
44:26He could have had a huge game today. He missed a – Jalen Hurts missed him on a big throw.
44:33So it's going to be, I think, just a work in progress.
44:36But really the thing I would like to see is Barkley and Smith on the field because you're right, Heath, the schedule
44:43is going to be very favorable for them. Dave, what are your thoughts on the Jaguars coming out of this game?
44:49Anything earth-shattering? No, Parker Washington's a stud. We were worried about him for the last couple of weeks, really after last week,
44:56and he came out right away, first quarter, 51-yard touchdown, and then really got Jacksonville back into this game with a 27-yard touchdown.
45:03That was just an awesome throw, awesome catch by him.
45:06Brenton Strange, Jamie talked about it. That's somebody to consider off the waiver wire.
45:10And Tootin got a ton of work. He just wasn't efficient with it.
45:14I wrote in my notes so many times, burst with Tootin.
45:18And when you watch him, you see it. But it's not – he just hasn't been able to live up to maybe
45:25the ceiling expectation of what we had for him.
45:27I still think he's going to be a number two fantasy running back.
45:31And I wish he had more targets, three targets in this game, two catches.
45:36That actually helped you out a little bit. It got him to double-digit PPR points anyway.
45:40I like Tootin. And I wonder if he's going to – he's already got a grip on the running back workload.
45:47I just wonder how much more he needs to do to kind of push Chris Rodriguez off to the side.
45:53Who has more PPR fantasy points per game, Bachel Tootin or Chase Brown?
45:57Tootin. Chase Brown. I feel like Chase Brown had that point.
46:00Yeah, I think it's Chase Brown. Chase Brown is at 13.
46:04Bachel Tootin's at 12.7. Yeah, the two touchdowns called back last week don't count for Bachel Tootin.
46:09So Tootin – look, he has Houston this upcoming week.
46:12That could be tough. They have a great run defense.
46:15Then he has a bye. If he struggles after the Houston game going into his bye and you believe in Bachel Tootin,
46:22he's got Dallas and Washington in weeks 16 and 17.
46:25I mean, you don't have to look at the schedule.
46:28If you believe in him, that might be a time.
46:31We'll revisit it, but that might be a good time to go get him.
46:35All right, let's go to our next game here.
46:38It is Green Bay 31, Chicago 7. Dave already talked about Green Bay.
46:42Heath – I'm sorry, Dave. Well, I talked about Chicago.
46:45I talked about Chicago. Heath, what do you think about Marshawn Lloyd who had two touchdowns today?
46:50And you can see Caleb Johnson had seven carries, but all of them were in garbage time.
46:55Is Marshawn Lloyd – he's only 58% rostered. Is he a thing until Jacobs comes back?
47:00Well, he certainly is going to have to be in the waiver wire.
47:04Yeah. It's somebody that we're going to have to talk about.
47:08I think Pierre Strong did kind of fill the Chris Brooks snaps.
47:11He did. It still may be a three-headed backfield.
47:14This Packers offense has been one of the bigger roller coasters of the season.
47:18And Dallas next week, then Detroit, then Carolina. Yeah.
47:21Yeah. We may want to start Marshawn Lloyd. Okay.
47:24Remember, they're still working in some new offensive linemen.
47:27Does Zeitler play today? I think so, actually. But yeah, they'll hopefully get better on the line.
47:32Maybe they'll get Aaron Banks back at some point.
47:35Zeitler played. He didn't start. They're one of the few teams that consistently challenge down the field.
47:40It's fun. They just take shot after shot after shot.
47:43And you saw it with Watson today. You saw it with Golden.
47:46That's going to help Jordan Love have some big games, to his point about them being a roller coaster.
47:52I hope it continues. I don't think they're going to ever become a good running team.
47:57Even when Jacobs is there, they're not going to go back to being as good as they were with this offensive line.
48:04But they could certainly be better with a better running back.
48:07That being said, Marshawn Lloyd is probably a winner coming out of this game with the production that he got you in the first game without Brooks.
48:16Giants and the Commanders tie at 27. It's their second tie in the last five years, I think.
48:21It's weird. And my question is, you've got Jameis Winston.
48:24Here was the 326-yard, three-touchdown game that was inevitable, right?
48:27Almost 32 fantasy points for him. Jameis Winston and Malik Nabors with two great games in a row.
48:33And is this the time to sell even maybe Malik Nabors?
48:36Or are you just buying it? Or likely? I mean, likely he's injured, perhaps.
48:40We'll see. But they got the Saints. That's fine.
48:43Then add Houston. Then a buy. Then add Philadelphia.
48:46And then it's kind of a mix and match with good and bad matchups.
48:50But just hold them or sell them, you think?
48:53Neighbors specifically. I think you hold. Excuse me. I think you hold.
48:5620 targets is ridiculous. I don't know how many times the Giants will be in a game where they're going to run their way to victory.
49:04And even though J.J. McCarthy got in a few snaps in this game, even had a couple of carries, I think they're
49:11going to live and die by Jameis. And if they're doing that, that means that two dudes are going to get the
49:18ball thrown to them every single week, a whole lot.
49:21And it's going to be neighbors and likely. Yeah.
49:24He wasn't very happy and vice versa with Darnell Mooney.
49:27Their exchange on the sideline. Not that that has been a factor, but still.
49:31It's just when you see a team do it against Arizona and Washington and going to overtime against Washington, you know, you just wonder.
49:38Because that's how I felt about the Giants after week one against the Cowboys.
49:43They sucked the next two weeks. I think if you take off 10 points on both those guys, on neighbors and likely, like, that's still awesome.
49:51If you take 15 points off of likely, like, it's still great.
49:54Like, they're going to get hyper-targeted. And they're both playing very well with a quarterback that has no fear about challenging in
50:01tight spots and giving them opportunities to win. So if you're selling them, you're selling them for, I think, I don't want
50:08to say superstars in the case of likely, but yeah, superstars.
50:11Like, likely is in the conversation to be a top three tight end this season.
50:16And neighbors is back to being a healthy, hopefully, healthy version of himself, which is pretty awesome.
50:21So I don't think you should be trying to get rid of them unless you're getting something amazing in return.
50:27And it was actually an amazing second half for them.
50:30Like, the first, Jameis was terrible in the first half.
50:33He was 7 of 16. He had no touchdowns.
50:36I have it right here. 72 yards passing. It was disgusting.
50:39And then all of a sudden, Jameis did what Jameis does.
50:43And he just turned into, like, the best deep ball thrower ever.
50:46And yeah, it's Washington. Look at their schedule. You tell me how many tough defenses, pass rush plus secondaries they have left.
50:53Houston's on there. I know. I think that's going to be tough.
50:57Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, they have.
50:59I was driving the point home at him. Yeah.
51:02And then, like, look at the Washington schedule. The Washington next month for the commanders sucks.
51:07I mean, it's at San Francisco, then a bye, then the Eagles, then the Rams.
51:12And then it lightens up considerably. But they got Minnesota and Jacksonville in weeks 16 and 17.
51:17And they also have Houston later in the season.
51:20Like, Washington's schedule is not good. I would take anything I can get for Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt.
51:25Not anything I can get, but I would take something for him.
51:28Yes. And I don't know. I wouldn't be so sure that Jaden Daniels is going to.
51:33He didn't really do much as a passer today.
51:36They had no downfield passing game. They didn't have digs, but whatever.
51:40Yeah, he did. Was McClure in a full go?
51:42I saw him at 75% route rate. That almost felt odd.
51:46I was kind of surprised. Yeah. But he didn't have a good game.
51:50I mean, he didn't have that. He didn't get thrown the ball a lot.
51:54No, and he doesn't with Jaden Daniels. I think the thing you got to continue to hold forward for Jaden Daniels is
52:01that there's not going to be a fear of risking, a fear of re-injury because of the elbow.
52:06And so if he's going to run, that's a great sign.
52:09And so is he going to be a dominant passer in the current state of his health and the current state of his team?
52:17No. My biggest fear would be is if they fall out of playoff contention, do they just shut him down?
52:23So, like, you know, you're talking about the end of season schedule.
52:27I don't know if they get there because of just how this goes.
52:31Now, you said, which I agree. NFC East. Yeah, it's an NFC East.
52:35You know, so they could still stay in it.
52:37But, you know, they're the one team, at least for me, that feels like they're the least likely to win the division.
52:44So I think just looking at it, like, McLaurin and Diggs will be number three receivers probably on a week-to-week basis.
52:50Daniels will be in the six to ten range, you know, depending on six points or four points.
52:56Unless he just continues to do this with his legs, then he'll just, you know, keep creeping up.
53:01But you kind of know what they are. What did you say you thought the pass rate was?
53:0775% route. Yeah. I'm seeing 80%, so it was in that same range.
53:11And pretty much every single snap that McLaurin played on, well, he played 34 snaps.
53:16So about 55% of the snaps in the game, almost all, all but ten were pass plays, which makes sense.
53:22Fishing usage. And I do think, like, take the passing game numbers with a little bit of a grain of salt, just
53:28because while this was an overtime game, it was a Washington playing it safe.
53:33They've got a lead game for a lot of the second half.
53:36Like, he threw 25 passes. He averaged almost eight yards per attempt.
53:40It was a pretty good day passing efficiency. Yeah, he looked good.
53:44He looked good. Right. All right, but it's just the Giants suck.
53:47Anyway, let's go to New England. First place Giants suck.
53:50New England 45, Las Vegas 17. We talked a lot about the Patriots here.
53:55Heath, what's your level of concern for Ashton Gentry?
53:57Ten carries for 27 yards, three catches for 50 yards.
54:01You know, I think he might be that borderline top 12 running back that just always makes you a little bit nervous.
54:07This was a bad matchup in terms of rushing.
54:10Not sure. Don't, well, I think we can be pretty sure he was not 100% coming into this game.
54:16It seemed like, I thought their response to that would be maybe give Mike Washington a few more carries and save Ashton Gentry for passing downs.
54:24And they gave Dylan Laube some passing downs and used Ashton Gentry on more of the rushing downs.
54:29And that's not good at all. But mostly I still think he's a borderline top 12 running back rest of season.
54:36I'd rather have him than Chase Brown or Basialtoon.
54:38Would you rather have Brock Bowers or Justin Jefferson rest of season?
54:42Bowers. Bowers. He's amazing. He's great. All right. And that's the, that's that game.
54:46Who's the number one tight end rest of season?
54:49Yeah. It's gotta be Bowers. Kirk Cousins said. Gotta be Bowers.
54:53I mean, I'm, I'm on Bowers side, but I don't think it's gotta be.
54:57Well, no, I was the one screaming that it should be McBride.
55:00So I think I'd lost that McBride. McBride was pretty awesome today.
55:04He had a garbage time. And the Cardinals offense looks bad.
55:07I mean, this was the lot. That touchdown was sick though.
55:11It was a sick. It was sick. He's averaging five.
55:14Brock Bowers is averaging five and a half more PPR fantasy points per game than Trey McBride.
55:19It's insane. And McBride's been incredible. Yeah. Right. McBride's been really good.
55:23After the game, Kirk Cousins said that Patriots pressure was really the difference in this.
55:27It was. They got home. They got to him fast.
55:30All right. Pittsburgh. They'll bounce back. They'll bounce back next week.
55:34Buffalo's defense bet. There you go. Pittsburgh 34. Colts 22.
55:37Believe it or not, when Rico Dattle is back, Jalen Warren is a, is better than Ashton Gentty rest of season.
55:43Believe it. I think I believe it. We have, uh, we, we have on CBS Sports HQ, um, JJ Watt or Ross
55:50Tucker, depending on the time of day, uh, does a hit with our crew, our NFL crew.
55:55And I happened to listen to JJ Watt talking to Joe Musa, one of our hosts and Joe asked him, you know,
56:02how much of a difference maker is Jalen Warren's offense.
56:05And this is after Aaron Rogers on the field talked about it as well with Tracy Wolfson.
56:10Um, the reason I bring up JJ Watt is because he's in the meetings with the coaches pregame.
56:16And he said, he's just the key to their whole team at this point.
56:20You know that it just, it makes sense. Like their offense just looks much better.
56:25Um, he's been awesome. He's been awesome in the passing game when given opportunities.
56:29Aaron Rogers was talking about, he said he loves him as a teammate and he goes, part of the reason why is
56:36because he just so unselfish as a blocker. Like I, you're going to have a role for Rico Dowdle.
56:41This isn't going to be what Jalen Warren gives you, but like he's, he's, he should be their guy.
56:47If they go away from him, then Mike McCarthy's an idiot.
56:51Yeah. But comparing him to Ashton Gentry, I mean, that's, you know, that's, that's still a very valuable player and Ashton Gentry
56:57does not have a rushing touchdown this year. Isn't that crazy?
57:01No, everything he's doing is, is through the air, including in this game, his most explosive plays were through there.
57:07He also had a drop on top of it.
57:10I agree. I think Warren is better than Gentry rest of season.
57:13We've seen it now for several weeks where Warren is contributing every which way for the Steelers.
57:18How do you take that guy off the field other than maybe like two drives before the fourth quarter combined?
57:25And you want to give Rico a little bit of run.
57:28So Rico is the handcuff for Jalen Warren. Warren is a stud.
57:32The targets are great for him too. I'm, I don't know.
57:35I don't really think this is much of a question.
57:38And Jalen Warren is healthier than Gentry. It's a question.
57:41I mean, if he's just said that Ashton Gentry is a borderline top 12 running, if I had Gentry on my team
57:48and I could trade him straight up for Jalen Warren, I would do it.
57:52All right. All right. Fine. And then Jamie, I know you had originally DK Metcalf as a loser.
57:58You switched it to Jalen Waddle. It's pretty disappointing that he wasn't able to get anything.
58:02He did draw a pass interference in the end zone, but only four targets against the Colts.
58:08With the way that Rogers played today too, you know, so it was, you know, big play by Jalen Warren.
58:14It was a lot from Jeremy Bernard. It was Pat Frymuth getting involved in, you know, this was so three of five games.
58:21Now you've had DK Metcalf, nine targets or more.
58:24He just needs a volume. And so I wouldn't panic too much if you're in the DK Metcalf camp.
58:29Um, but this was just frustrating to see Rogers.
58:32Great game. Everybody else do something and Metcalf do nothing.
58:35Next game is the Bengals and the Dolphins. The Dolphins always make it interesting, don't they?
58:40But they always lose. 31-24 Bengals. Joe Burrow with 32.6 fantasy points on only 190 passing yards.
58:45We talked about Chase Brown. Jamar Chase was great again.
58:48Um, bad day for Tee Higgins. He was 88% started and he played a lot, but he only had four targets and a tough day for him.
58:57Um, I don't really know what else to say about this game.
59:00We talked about Ali Gordon. Heath, how about Malik Washington?
59:03Led the team in receiving again in a day where Malik Willis finally had a good fantasy game, but what did he throw for?
59:11Uh, he threw for 137 yards. I don't know.
59:13Any thoughts? I think it's three straight games from Aliak Washington between 11.1 and 12.1 or 13.1.
59:19Maybe in this one, 11.8. Um, like it's just kind of what you should expect.
59:23Maybe he'll score a touchdown one week and give you a 15 point game.
59:27Um, I think with four teams going on a buy, he's going to be ranked as a PPR number three wide receiver.
59:34Not this week. Dolphins are one of the four teams.
59:37Next times there's four other teams on a buy.
59:40Ready will be that's good. Good recovery. Who has more?
59:43I got to learn from you. Who has more?
59:46I'm curious. I'm just curious what they look like when Caleb Douglas and Chris Bell are actually healthy.
59:51Like it's not going to make them a good team, but I wonder what just the receiving, how it's all split up.
59:58Yeah. Who has more, uh, Ashton Gentry receiving touchdowns or Malik Willis passing touchdowns?
60:02Gentry. I'll go Gentry. Uh, go Gentry. They're tied.
60:05Sorry. I shouldn't have done who has more, but it's the only way I could bring that up.
60:11They both have two second touchdown pass of the year for you.
60:14You of all people are allowed to do a tie on who has more today.
60:19Houston 26, Tennessee three. This was a mismatch. Um, we talked about it.
60:23Mark CJ Stroud just brush off the Nico Collins.
60:26I hope he's healthy. I don't, I don't think he finished the game at a hundred percent.
60:31Nico. Yeah. I know he finished the game, but I think he wasn't, he favoring his hip a little bit in the game.
60:38That's what I was told with in the room.
60:41I watched the games. I didn't know that. Okay.
60:43Uh, well, if I'm wrong, then maybe we're just spitballing on what we, what I heard in the green room.
60:49Heath, why did you on the team that we share?
60:53How the hell did you drop Kalief Raymond for Carnell Tate?
60:56I mean, this is a loss. We are, we, uh, I think we've lost two in a row now.
61:02Um, and you know, Kalief Raymond had a great day, so we really missed him.
61:06Yeah. Better than Tate. What do you think about Carnell Tate?
61:10And then can we throw out this Titans game in general?
61:13Just no chance today against the Texans. I am just taking this as the Texans defense is mostly back.
61:19The Titans were completely overmatched. They won't be this badly overmatched most weeks.
61:23Maybe we got a little bit too excited about Carnell Tate a little too fast, but I think if you're going to
61:30do that with anybody, do it with rookie wide receivers who are starting to show that they might be really good.
61:36I still think Tate's a wide receiver three rest of season.
61:39Tater downs rest of season. Hey, Minnesota 23, new Orleans 13.
61:43And just domination here. Minnesota had the ball for almost 40 minutes.
61:46Jamie Kyler Murray, 65% rostered. We would assume that in two weeks he'll have his full arsenal, Jefferson, Addison, Hawkinson, my three sons.
61:53Um, do you think, uh, by, do you think hold him through the buy or is he expendable Kyler Murray?
61:59I think if you're rotating him in with whatever quarterback situation you have, whether he's your backup or he's been your streaming
62:06starter, you probably need to find somebody you probably want to keep your other players on your bench unless your bench is able to carry him.
62:14But look, this was his best game and we're talking 20 fantasy points.
62:18And like you said, we have yet to see this offense fully healthy with Addison and Hawkinson and Jefferson all together.
62:25And even the backfield, you know, being, uh, up and down with Mason, not being there.
62:29So who knows what it all looks like? The total picture, but the biggest thing is that he ran and when he
62:36runs, you're going to get good fantasy production. When he doesn't, you're probably going to be left with what you saw the last two games.
62:44So I don't think he's necessarily a hold. Uh, I might, my thought would be is how many people are picking up Kyler Murray on his bye week?
62:52No. Yeah. The only real argument I think I could make for it is Colts, Lions, Bills, Packers coming out of the bye.
62:59Yeah. Now I asked you about Brees Hall, maybe being threatened by Braylon Allen.
63:04I asked you about Rico Dowdle and Jalen Warren.
63:06What do you think happens when Jordan Mason is back?
63:10Aaron Jones has been awesome. And he had another good game today.
63:13Heath? I think Aaron Jones is 31 or 32 years old and they know his injury history and they're five and O and probably thinking about January.
63:21Um, so I think we'll see a heavy, not like Aaron Jones will be the lead back, but a heavy dose of
63:28Jordan Mason as the, as the one B, especially on early downs.
63:32Jones. You've, you've had Jones each of the last three weeks, mispractice play with a knee brace, left the game today, came back in the game today.
63:40Like he's been a hero for them, probably playing through something that's not, I'm sure making him at a hundred percent.
63:47So I think that's definitely one to watch. Okay.
63:49Jets 17, Cleveland 12, both of these teams. Nothing about the saints.
63:53Not a word about the saints. We talked about the saints.
63:56We talked about Vela. We talked about Johnson and we talked about, I'm flushing this game down the toilet for the saints.
64:03Okay. They had the ball for 20 minutes and 23 seconds.
64:06They were two of 10 on third down. Shuck was intercepted twice.
64:10The second one was a Yolo ball at the end of the game.
64:14It was, I agree with you flushing it for now.
64:17You're flushing it at Nando's house or your house?
64:20Cause you have an issue. Well, and yeah. And I think we, we talked about Shuck as a loser and I think
64:27we all look at Olave, Velae and Johnson's stat lines as just a reflection of what Shuck did.
64:32Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, this is combination of not having the ball and Shuck being under pressure.
64:38And you know what I was thinking since Dave is the quicker slicker looker upper.
64:43If any quarterback ever makes their first start against a Brian Flores defense and does well, as I assume he didn't face them last year.
64:50I don't think he faced them last year. I'm just wondering, you know, cause like remember like rookie quarterbacks versus Bill Belichick.
64:57I think quarterback against this Flores defense is just the way, the way Jordan love played against them was really impressive in week one.
65:05Caleb Williams was horrible against them in week two.
65:07So it's just like, and not that it was, it was his third time.
65:12I'm rambling here, but you get the point. It was rainy and all that other stuff.
65:16Jets 17 Cleveland 12. This was a game where both defensive lines dominated the opposing offensive line.
65:22The jets had eight sacks. What did the Browns have?
65:25The Browns had four sacks. It was tough to anyone to anything to get going here.
65:30The weather was bad. Oh gosh. I don't even know what to say.
65:34Let's let's wait until the waiver wire show to talk about the running backs, but Hey Heath, we got another Denzel Boston touchdown.
65:41That was cool. He was only started in 42% of leagues.
65:44And that was one of the rare occasions in this game where the wide receivers weren't completely awful.
65:49And Boston had a bad drop too. But Isaiah Bond, who had a couple of nice catches, but terrible, terrible drops.
65:56Um, it was just, I think this was probably the one game that the weather impacted in terms of the passing game.
66:03And I thought on the other, on the other side, it's just incredible.
66:07The difference between Gino Smith, when the guys open on time and he's not pressured, he looks like a good NFL quarterback.
66:13And as soon as the Browns got pressure on him, everything just crumbled.
66:17That's a great point. Also, Isaiah Bond was wide open.
66:20It was open in the end zone and Watson missed him.
66:24Watson played. Okay. Numbers are terrible, but it was tough.
66:27Oh, he was awful at the end of the game.
66:30He was bad at the end. Yeah. Um, also, but again, he, he was sacked eight times, so it wasn't all him.
66:37And, uh, Garrett Wilson's amazing. He holds the ball forever.
66:40Would you rather have Garrett Wilson or Jalen Warren or Jalen Warren?
66:43Yeah. Wilson. Uh, Jalen Warren. I think I, I think about the pass catchers that'll eventually be back for the jets.
66:50That might take a little bit off of his plate.
66:53Plus Brees Hall will be back. I'll take Warren.
66:56All right. Well, I don't know if you have Kenya.
66:59I had a very, very low route participation rate for Kenyan Sadiq.
67:02And I know he left early, but I saw it was like 20% or something.
67:07I'm going to look now 23%. And that's still really low.
67:10And I do wonder what was Mason Taylor. Mason Taylor was 63%.
67:14So I'm going to see what that says tomorrow.
67:17Cause it'll be more accurate. And I'll take a look at just the first half, but I think it's possible.
67:23Mason Taylor kind of took Sadiq off the field.
67:26Well, he's going to get dropped in a lot of leagues and then he gets the dolphins in week seven.
67:32So just keep that in mind. Denver 23 chargers 17.
67:35You know, it's just not Justin Herbert's fault. I don't know why the defense has to play so hard against him.
67:41No, no, listen, I think I've told the story before of the first super bowl.
67:46I ever watched was the bears and the Patriots.
67:48And I started off cheering for the Patriots. And by the third quarter, I felt so bad or cheering for the bears.
67:55And by the third quarter, I felt so bad for the Patriots that I just wanted them to score.
68:01And I got to that point with the chargers when Trey Harris got hurt today.
68:06It's, it's an impossible situation. And the Broncos played awful.
68:09No, but Herbert's interceptions were pathetic. Especially. Yeah. And the fumbles were bad too.
68:13Yeah. Adam convinced me this morning or this afternoon in one league to start both Trey Harris and the Ron DeGaz and that worked out great.
68:21Yeah. The fact that it was like Charlie Kohler was.
68:24No. Who was the guy that caught the touchdown?
68:27I'm sorry. I shouldn't admit. All their age, fantasy football.
68:30Yeah. That's going to be crazy too. Rucci. Yeah.
68:33I think that's it. Oh yeah. Number 40. How many, how many.
68:36H for H. How many backup tight end slash H backs caught touchdowns?
68:40That drove us crazy. Bengals had two. Yeah. No one.
68:43Sorry. Hudson, I guess. Good question. Tegan. Cardinal. Tegan had two.
68:47Yep. Oh man. All right. So anyway, thoughts on the chart.
68:50Who's the best chargers running back rest of season?
68:53LaDainian Tomlinson. I don't want to look. I love Keaton Mitchell and I, I think he's interesting to have on your bench,
68:59but they've gone to a, a three-way split at running back.
69:03And, you know, Jamie and I watched the set of the games with ran Carthon and Damian Harris.
69:08They work for CBS sports HQ. They give unflinching analysis on CBS sports HQ.
69:13And I asked them both like, is that how bad is that for a running back to split with two other guys?
69:19And both of them just kind of like rolled their eyes and said, it's the worst.
69:24And Damian Harris, of course was with the Patriots and they use 17 different running backs from game to game.
69:30And you just can't get into a rhythm. You don't get a feel for what the opponent does or how they're playing.
69:37And Vidal had a very fortuitous run for a touchdown.
69:40And I don't want people to get excited for that because on his other carries, he had 15 yards on seven attempts.
69:47This, this run game stinks. This offensive line stinks.
69:50If you want to take a chance on a running back, I guess you start Hampton, but you're going to get games
69:56like this where he's averaging two yards a carry.
69:59And then Keaton Mitchell, I would like to think that they would use them more as an explosive option out of the backfield and catching passes.
70:07They did it last week. This week, they didn't do it.
70:10I don't know why. I don't know why they do anything.
70:14They're a mess. They're Owen five. They literally should not try and win another game.
70:18The rest of the year, put Justin Herbert on ice tank for Jeremiah Smith, and then just draft nothing but offensive lineman
70:25for the rest of your 20, 27 draft and hope that you've got enough.
70:29All right. All right. All right. All right. We'll be the greatest summer of all time.
70:34If they get to draft Jeremiah Smith, I the greatest summer of all time.
70:39I think he's the one dude who might be able to like transcend all the block.
70:43No, they'll, they'll find other guys. They call play.
70:46No, well, that day can fix to an LA question.
70:49Question. Would you rather have a JK Dobbins coming off a nice game finally, or a Marian Hampton Dobbins?
70:55I'll take Hampton. And I think he'll be healthier all season long.
70:59I don't want to start either one. Detroit 45, Arizona 21.
71:02Buy, sell, hold Jared golf. Think we should try to sell high on Jared golf.
71:07No, he's been 20 fancy points or more in every game.
71:10And he plays on a, with the, one of the worst defenses in the NFL.
71:15All right. Let's just keep him then. Who's better.
71:17Did you see Jameer Gibbs get mad at him?
71:20Like just kind of play mad, but get mad at him for the sneak?
71:24No, no, they were talking on the broadcast about how Gibbs told them his goal this year is to break Ladanian Tomlinson's touchdown record.
71:32Oh, that's funny. And, uh, he has nine, I think in five games now and he got stuffed and golf did the QB snake.
71:39And he just kind of like raised his hands up.
71:42Amazing. Yeah. They're a fun team. Is there any concern about Amon Ross St.
71:46Brown? He has scored 40.3 fantasy points in PPR in his last three games combined.
71:51By low, if somebody is. Yeah. They're going into their buy.
71:54So my, you know, if you've got a St.
71:57Brown managers, one in four, go for it. He had 11 targets this week.
72:01He had 11 targets last week. Uh, Jameson Williams with the try and trade Jameson Williams for Amon Ross.
72:07What a weird game for him. Yep. Two catches.
72:10Forty seven. This is the Jameson Williams experienced. Uh, and frat.
72:13Yeah, but it hasn't been the experience this year.
72:16So high on JMO. Now it's two good games in a row for him.
72:20And I'm a little mad at Thomas for not putting Sam Laporta on the graphic.
72:25Heath, I thought of you when I left it off.
72:28I was like, he's going to see this and not.
72:31What you should have done is made a separate graphic with Sam Laporta's head on one side and Heath's head on the other side.
72:38I haven't, um, I haven't talked about Jeremiah Love yet.
72:41Neither have the Cardinals. Yeah. So at least he got a lot of care.
72:46They'll be trading him next year. I, it's so sad.
72:49It almost looks like he hit the rookie wall in like week three and preseason week one.
72:54He just wants it to be over. Like he said it last week.
72:58Yeah. But I think it's just, it's just another one of those, like sometimes ankle injuries.
73:03If they don't, if you don't let them go away, they don't go away.
73:07Well, I don't know. He hates everything Arizona right now, but here's the thing.
73:11Like you look at the Cardinals, they just faced the lions.
73:15I keep, I keep bringing this up their next six games, Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs, two Rams, Broncos, Seahawks, Chiefs in there.
73:22And then just get the Cowboys and their offense really isn't operating at that high of a level.
73:28No, I think it could be, you know, if, if this is what, if they score, what did they score?
73:3421 points against the, uh, lions today. Last week they scored.
73:37Let me just check how many against the giants.
73:40They scored 24 points against the giants. Now they threw an interception at the goal line to end the game.
73:46What the hell do we expect from this team against good defenses?
73:50It could be really bad. Yeah. And he's splitting almost evenly with Algier in terms of snaps.
73:55Algier is getting the high value touches 12 of 18 on third down four of six inside the 10.
74:01I, I, I, I don't know when there will be a good time to start Jeremiah.
74:06What about McBride and Wilson and all and everyone?
74:08Well, I mean, you're starting McBride every week. Yeah.
74:11I think Wilson's the number two receiver every week.
74:14I think you want to pick up Kendrick Bourne to see what this becomes.
74:18They're going to just throw this. This is what they thought they're going to be.
74:23It was 40 plus 50 plus pass attempts. Like that's going to be their MO and whether it's successful or not, that's
74:29just depending on who they play and how, how much you're get excited about them.
74:34This was the week to get excited about them because Detroit stinks.
74:38And so I think in terms of the running backs, you know, you said this, which I don't think was wrong.
74:44Adam, when he had the big game two weeks ago, that you thought he was going to be a top 10 running back rest of season.
74:52There's going to be another game or two, no matter who they're playing, that is going to pop off, have a big run, big play.
75:00He's just too explosive. You sell them immediately. But that, so what happened that, that week was he got a ton of work.
75:07Algier did basically nothing and he got the goal line work and it just looked like, okay, the first two games, whatever, we're having fun.
75:14San Francisco. Now it's, now it's his show. Now it's his game.
75:18He re-injured his ankle. He, he hurt his different ankle, right?
75:21He hurt a different ankle last week. That's what they said.
75:25Jeremiah love. So me, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have just brushed it off.
75:29Maybe he isn't healthy, but I'm just saying in general, I'm wondering, should I trade Trey McBride for Tucker craft and a
75:36good number two receiver or something like that? You got to get higher than that.
75:40All right. The craft part of it is fine, but you got to get not just a number two.
75:46That's got to be like a borderline number. Like if you're trading for, if you still believe in AJ Brown and Devante
75:53Smith, like that's the kind of trade you got.
75:55Okay. So yeah, Tucker craft and Devante Smith for McBride.
75:58And that's a fair deal. If I need receiver help, I'm considering it.
76:02Yeah. Yeah. Don't love it, but I'm considering it.
76:05All right. Now to the game of the week, Seattle 32.
76:09Uh, Nope. San Francisco 32, Seattle 29. Um, well, if you were nervous about starting your 49ers, you got 20 points from purdy.
76:16You got a decent, you know, solid game from McCaffrey.
76:19He scored. You got a great game from Mike Evans.
76:22He was awesome. Love it. Yeah. He's every time he walks to the sideline, I'm afraid he's hurt.
76:27Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. There was a report.
76:30I don't know where it was. That said somebody suggested, or John Lynch suggested to Mike Evans, like, you're not playing.
76:36He's two weeks ago. And he said, no, I'm playing.
76:39And like the rib injury was that bad. Like they didn't want to risk him getting, you know, having further injury.
76:46And so for him to be playing through this and playing like this is just, you're, you're, thrilled.
76:51And the, one of the greatest like smack talk moments.
76:54Somebody said it in the chat. I don't know.
76:57The, the turning digs around to look at his name on the back of his Jersey.
77:02It was fantastic. Diggs was talking trash to me.
77:05He just grabbed him by the shoulders and turned around and looked at his nameplate.
77:09It was hilarious. That's cool as hell. I didn't see that.
77:13Uh, George Kittle sucks. Obviously, uh, drop him. No, just kidding.
77:16And Emmanuel Wilson, another game with 20 plus touches and a touchdown.
77:20And they've got a Thursday game against Denver. So they've already said it might be tough to get Zach Charbonnet back for that game.
77:27Uh, so you might have another week of Emmanuel Wilson as a feature back.
77:31He did fumble once, but George Halani fumbled twice.
77:34I assume another big workload for Emmanuel Wilson and the Broncos run defense other than no, no, today they were bad against Vidal anyway, but, on one run.
77:43Yeah, but I'm not ready to say they're there.
77:45Well, but you can't judge them against the chargers because they're like their whole offensive line is.
77:51It's like a preseason. Any running back. That's going to have 20, any running back.
77:55That's going to have 20 plus touches. You're starting.
77:58And Wilson's got, that was good. That was good.
78:01Could you put the chargers and Eagles offensive lines together and have a good offensive line?
78:06It would probably just be the Eagles offensive line.
78:08He's on fire. It's only if they all get to play at the same time.
78:13Well, that's right now. Right. Were there any thoughts you had on this game?
78:17Once Slater gets better, he'll kill. You know, I gotta say something.
78:21Christian McCaffrey has been good. He has not been great.
78:24Yeah. He's having the Saquon Barkley here, right? Not hurt.
78:27Playing. At least he's scoring. At least he's scoring.
78:30That brings up a good point. Cause I was going to ask you guys, I think we should have some sort of
78:37contest for the rest of the season that decides who has to write the Jameer Gibbs 400 touches article next summer.
78:43Cause nobody's going to want to do it, but he is going like, he might have 450 touches.
78:48I mean, who's the, if you're building your team right now, which running back you picking NFL NFL team.
78:54So we had this conversation with a ran and, and Damien also Damien took Gibbs me, ran and Pete Prisco all took.
79:01Is there a wrong answer? No, it's gotta be the wrong answer.
79:05I'd say. No. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for watching. Listening everyone.
79:08Oh, B we got some B John's in here.
79:11I would go B John, but I'm not quite sure why he's bigger.
79:14Um, he's bigger. You know, he's got the size to handle the punishment.
79:18Oh, anyway, you put them both on the dolphins is better.
79:22Ollie Gordon. Gibbs. This is strong, strong finish to the show.
79:25This is Tomlinson versus, uh, Terrell Davis again, right?
79:28Is that what it was back in the day?
79:31Was it, was it not Tomlinson? It was Terrell Davis.
79:34Definitely not. It was, I think it was Tomlinson.
79:37I'm sorry. It's Barry Sanders. Terrell Davis. No, it was Marshall Folk.
79:40Wasn't it? it was Barry Sanders versus Terrell Davis.
79:43I think it was Tomlinson versus Falk. Well, that thought you as well.
79:47Yes. Yeah. But the original Alexander had a couple of years in there too with Tomlinson.
79:52The late night, when I first started playing fantasy football, I'm pretty sure it was Terrell Davis versus, uh, it was late nineties.
79:59Well, Terrell Davis had like three years. Barry Sanders.
80:02Yeah. Right. The best. Um, all right. Good, good night, everyone.
80:05We will talk to you tomorrow with beyond the box score.
80:08Hopefully we'll talk a little more about chase Brown.
80:11See if we can figure out what's going on there.
80:14And, uh, whatever else is on your mind. Thanks again to Heath, Dave and Jamie and to Thomas for producing.
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