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1:51Off to the races, and he stays on his feet!
1:54So here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:58Worryometer Wednesday! Ooh! And it's almost Halloween month, Heath.
2:00Get the decorations out! All right! I'm so excited.
2:03Yeah, what's up? And Dave, with his White Sox shirt, congratulations!
2:07Well, nothing to congratulate the White Sox on yet.
2:10One win is nice, but two wins against Houston on the road would be great.
2:14Hey, man, it's baseball season. I've always been a baseball guy.
2:18It's everything season. It's hockey season. The Panthers won yesterday in their season opener, but it's also football season, and it's Worryometer
2:25season, and we're going to put Lad McConkie and Omarion Hampton on the Worryometer.
2:29We're going to put Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley on the Worryometer.
2:33We're going to give you buy lows and sell highs and someone that we think is going to be a huge bust,
2:40someone that we think is going to be the steal of fantasy drafts, and oh, man, I've got...
2:46Good morning, Jamie. Good morning. I've got an amazing Saquon Barkley stat.
2:50For those of you who are worried, you should know that Saquon Barkley has scored nine, three, and nine PPR fantasy points.
2:57In my opinion, he's the first running back ever to score whole numbers, round numbers, in each of his first three games in a decimal scoring league.
3:05Remember when that used to not be common? Yes.
3:08Or like when we didn't have decimal scoring and like everybody just always scored regular numbers?
3:13Right, and there was no good argument for it because I tried to make the argument for rounding and not decimal, and
3:20I decided mid-argument that I was stupid. Well, Saquon Barkley is on quite a streak.
3:25Quick fab check here. I was looking at, let's see, four or five of the FFT Open divisions to give any of
3:32you who still have waivers tonight an idea of what these guys are going for, and Ollie Gordon went for 30 or more dollars.
3:40Now, FFT Open's a little bit different because the playoffs, like you basically don't have to spend any fab after week 15,
3:47so you can be a little bit more aggressive.
3:49Maybe you deduct a few bucks from this, but Ollie Gordon went for 31, 40, 30, 22, and unclaimed in Thomas's division.
3:56No one put a bid in for Ollie Gordon.
3:59That's amazing. They put a $5 bid in for Jalen Wright.
4:03Thomas just picked up Ollie Gordon as a free agent five minutes ago, but for the most part, let's say 30% from
4:10what I saw in the five leagues, you know, roughly, for Ollie Gordon.
4:14Jalen Wright, 29, 35, 16, 5, and 10, so that one was all over the place.
4:19Kenyon Sadiq was in the 15 to 17 range.
4:22Kalief Raymond was very wide variety, like in the 15 to 17 range, down to six here.
4:27I'm not even sure he was picked up in all of the leagues, but the Dolphins running backs, if you're still going
4:34tonight to do your bids, I think maybe be realistically, I would say in the 30% range.
4:40Yeah. I got text from somebody, $75 for Ollie Gordon and $7 for Jalen Wright, same league.
4:45Wow. Different managers, I assume? Yeah. Yeah. All right.
4:48We'll see how, some people are going to be pretty angry.
4:51I think so. I think everybody's going to be angry.
4:55All right. Let's do some news and notes. I think the people that bid low and didn't get them are going to end up being pretty happy.
5:03I was going to say, don't be angry if you don't get them and don't hear what Adam just said and think,
5:10okay, I need to go bid 40% to make sure I get Ollie Gordon.
5:15Yeah. Yeah. Right. I was just telling you what you should maybe expect, but that doesn't mean that we would do it
5:22because, I mean, like for the Dolphins, it's just such a brutal schedule and two tough games and a bye week.
5:28That's just sucks. All right. News and notes. Jaden Daniels reportedly putting off elbow surgery until the off season and we'll see
5:35if he's able to play this week against the Colts in London.
5:39I thought it was interesting. Jared Goff said that the Lions are calling for deep throws, but opponents are playing with so
5:46much depth that Goff is just taking the check downs.
5:49So it's not great for Jameson Williams. Maybe things change.
5:52Welcome to 2024 through now. Yeah. I just, the fact that he said, hey, we're trying to get these deep balls, just not working, not, not there.
6:01Carolina had some bad injury news. Damian Lewis left guard.
6:04He's out a few weeks with an elbow injury and JC Horn is going to be out there starting with their best cornerback and a guy.
6:12Is Mike Jackson out too, Adam? Do we, do we hear anything?
6:16I know he got hurt. I don't know his status for this.
6:20Right. They might be going straight to second string corners on the outside.
6:24Yeah. As soon as this week against Detroit, you know, there for Detroit this week, the Damian Lewis injury, it was bad
6:31in the second, he left in the second quarter last week.
6:35And that's when things really started to unravel for the offensive line for Carolina.
6:39And that, I think that's the number one reason why Bryce young kind of fell apart last week.
6:45And it's making me nervous for Bryce young moving forward too.
6:48I think it's a great point and it kind of relates to Ben Roethlisberger because we're going to talk about Aaron Rogers,
6:55Aaron Rogers, I'm going to talk about that game today.
6:58You know what? How about Terry Bradshaw? Where does, where does this mean for Bubby Brister?
7:04I was going Bubby Brister too. It was my next stupid joke.
7:07Mark Malone. Aaron Rogers passing. I don't know who that is.
7:11Cordell Stewart. You know who Mark Malone is? I know Carl Malone.
7:15He did not play quarterback for the Steelers. Anyway, Aaron Rogers has been holding the ball a lot longer, throwing the ball a lot deeper.
7:23Well, that's what the, that's what the Panthers do, right?
7:26That's their identity this year. And the Browns last week had the number one pressure rate in the NFL.
7:32And it certainly affected Bryce show. They were getting there with four guys too.
7:36Meanwhile. Yeah. Yeah. Not a very high blitz rate.
7:39Meanwhile, Joey Porter could play this week for the Steelers, but Jalen Ramsey's question was they're playing Thursday.
7:45Jalen Ramsey's questionable with a broken wrist that he played through in week three.
7:49Let's get to the fun stuff. Fill in the blank.
7:52My favorite by low is blank Heath. I'll go with Ted Oroa McMillan.
7:57I think coming off of a very bad game, averaging less than 10 PPR fantasy points per game, even if it's the
8:04same Panthers as last year in terms of the past game success, he's going to be better than he's been so far.
8:11All right. Dave. I've got a whole, I did nothing but look at running backs for by low.
8:16So I don't have any by lows at any other position.
8:20The most expensive by low that is my favorite is Chase Brown, who hasn't done great to start the season.
8:26You're going to have to pay up a lot for him.
8:30Your people are still going to ask for like first round value for him, but maybe they'll settle for second round value depends on how desperate they are.
8:39And there's, there's a ton of caveats when you're trading for a running back at this point, but he would be the
8:46absolute diamond to get at running back. If you can get any running back in trade, who's at least remotely a by low candidate.
8:53I know you spent a lot of time on it.
8:56So do you want to just run through a couple of two?
9:00I'm going to need more than like a minute.
9:03Two minutes on the clock. Give me the, we should let Jamie do his by low before.
9:08Why don't you let Jamie do this? Cause Jamie might have somebody on my by low list.
9:14Okay. Go ahead, Jamie. By low DJ more. Not on my list.
9:18Okay. What, what do you like about him? Oh, I mean, look, he had the game where he left with the shoulder injury.
9:25The targets were there for him in week three.
9:28Josh Allen's coming off a bad game. You know, I think he's still obviously going to get chances to be productive and
9:35this might be as cheap as you can get him.
9:38All right. Yeah. 10 targets for DJ more. He's not running as many routes as I'd like, but he's certainly getting targeted.
9:45He had eight in week one and 10 in week three.
9:48So that's pretty damn good for his two healthy games.
9:52Yep. But, but let me ask you this about him.
9:55He gets new England this week and the Rams next week.
9:58Is this the time to buy low on DJ more?
10:01It depends on what your record is and what you have to give up for him.
10:07It's not like you're probably have to pay a hefty price.
10:10And if he does do well in these two games, then you're going to be regretting not trading for him now.
10:17So I think his value is relatively low. He had a hundred yards and a touchdown against Houston.
10:22Should keep that in mind. All right, Dave, back to, back to you.
10:27All right. So the, this is my whole running back by low list.
10:31And the obvious caveat is a fellow manager must not need a running back in order to trade for him.
10:37So if you're trying to trade with a manager who's got Chase Brown, but the rest of his running backs absolutely suck
10:44unless you're offering running backs in return, you're not going to get Chase Brown.
10:49So you really need to find a running back rich fantasy manager in your league to trade for almost any of these running backs.
10:56Chase Brown and Saquon Barkley kind of the obvious by low guys, just based on how they've started the year.
11:03I think they can turn it around. I'm going to talk about team running backs for a lot of this because I
11:09think it'll almost be cheaper to trade for two running backs on the same team from different fantasy managers and then you
11:16just collaborate with those running backs rest of season and you should be okay.
11:21And if you have someone on one of these teams, think about getting the other guy.
11:26I'm going to start with the Vikings running backs.
11:29Go look at their schedule. Tell me their tough matchups the rest of the season.
11:34Think about their offensive line and then think about how much it's going to cost you to get Aaron Jones or Jordan Mason.
11:41Mason's on the shelf. Aaron Jones is old. Right now his value is pretty high relative to where you drafted Aaron Jones.
11:48I still think it's a good deal to try and get one or both of those running backs.
11:54If you've got them both, you've got a starter pretty much every week moving forward.
11:58Same thing with the Jets running backs. That's going to be costlier because no one's going to take a discount on Brees Hall.
12:06Brees had two very good games to start the year.
12:09I think he can still keep it up. Maybe he does average more than 15 PPR points for the year.
12:15We'll see, but that's another team. Tough defensive matchups rest of season, including the playoff weeks, but you can deal with that later.
12:23The Saints running backs. Travis HN's value is not going to get much lower than this because he's injured and I think
12:30you might be able to squeeze by with Kendra Miller and Travis HN instead of Kamara.
12:35Kamara has no snaps inside the 10 this year.
12:38He has one third down snap this year. Quinshawn Judkins, tough schedule ahead, but he's getting the work, 17 touches per game or more, but the team's competitive.
12:46His two best games are 9.8 and 9.9 PPR points.
12:50He can score eventually and then he breaks through to that 15 PPR point range.
12:54RJ Harvey's the next one. This is a weird one because he's not going to be the feature back for Denver unless J.K.
13:02Dobbins gets hurt really soon, but he's averaging more PPR points per game than Dobbins.
13:06He gets targets, doesn't work at the goal line, but the schedule seems pretty favorable for Denver rest of the season.
13:13He's the first cheapie type of running back that if you're really in a pinch and say you whiffed on a Dolphins
13:20running back off the waiver wire, you shouldn't have to give up much to acquire RJ Harvey and even teams that are
13:27a little running back needy might give up RJ Harvey.
13:30Same thing for Woody Marks. I know that Montgomery had three touchdowns in week one.
13:35He's had 6.8 or fewer PPR points in week two and week three.
13:39Woody Marks is at 8.5 and 9.1. Again, another cheapie.
13:42He had a goal line touchdown in the two minute offense last week.
13:46There is some tough schedules to add for him.
13:49And then last but not least, this Chargers offense is a total quagmire.
13:53Nobody is excited about them at all, but I think Keaton Mitchell could put a little lightning, no pun intended, or maybe I did intend to this offense.
14:02offense. I think he's certainly more explosive than Omari and Hampton.
14:06We saw him get a play inside the five last week.
14:09I think he could make inroads on Omari and Hampton's touches and we've talked about it before.
14:15Mike McDaniel, for everything that he did with the running backs in Miami, one thing he did was lean heavily on an
14:22undersized back in Devon HM and we saw HM put up huge numbers.
14:26Keaton Mitchell might be able to follow suit. So those last three, RJ Harvey, Woody Marks, Keaton Mitchell, cheap running backs that
14:33you could go and acquire without having to give up too much in trade and they'll give you something.
14:39I don't think that they're going to go and give you 15 plus PPR points per week.
14:44I'm not saying that they're going to be league winners, but they are going to help you at least get an RB2-ish
14:51in your lineup if you're desperate for that position.
14:54Okay. A lot of names there and a lot of different values.
14:58My favorite sell high is blank Heath. Your favorite sell high is Heath?
15:02I would sell high. I'm going to go with Bucky Irving.
15:06There you go. We're not going to talk about selling me.
15:09Listen, fantastic draft value so far. Has looked good.
15:12It's been a two-back system and really it's almost been a one-back system because Kenneth Gainwell hasn't been near as involved as we think.
15:20But this Bucs situation is not very good. And now with Jalen Daniels at quarterback, I would expect we're going to get fewer running back targets.
15:28We talk about this all the time. Guys that run as much as we think Jalen Daniels is going to run generally
15:35don't throw to their running backs as much. He's kind of that one read and take off kind of guy which might
15:42be fun to watch for a week or two.
15:45But the real problem with that is that like they've got the Packers and the Cowboys the next two weeks.
15:51This is supposed to be like let Bucky eat time.
15:54I'm not sure the Cowboys run defense is actually that bad.
15:58And so I think the next couple weeks might be tough and then the schedule gets tougher after that.
16:04But so listen Bucky's a borderline RB1 right now in terms of how he's produced.
16:08So I want to get like what can I add to Bucky Irving not a whole lot and go get Chase Brown
16:15like Dave said or what can I do to turn him into a borderline RB1 value.
16:21All right. I'm going to try to do this right now.
16:24I'm going to make a trade of Bucky Irving and someone for Chase Brown and we'll see how it goes.
16:30Let me know what it is. I'll put it on the trade chart.
16:35Hey, can I ask Keith something real quick? All that.
16:38You've watched a lot of Jalen Daniels because he played in Kansas Heath.
16:42Can you give us like the quick scouting report on him?
16:45Throw real far run real fast. I kind of like that.
16:49Can you throw real accurate and run in the contact?
16:52You know, I think his accuracy in terms of like throwing it where he intends to throw it's pretty good.
16:58I think he's going to struggle in terms of reading NFL defenses and seeing the safety maybe.
17:04Yeah, he's struggled a little bit with interceptions too, but he is extremely fast and he has a good arm and he
17:11generally speaking looks pretty composed in the pocket. But again, it's kind of is the first read there?
17:16Great. Let it rip. Is it not? Let's go.
17:19Let's run. Do you think he'll help the efficiency of the running backs in Tampa?
17:24Rushing efficiency? Maybe a little. I mean, I don't think he's going to this first week because the teams are just going
17:31to fly to the line of scrimmage until he proves that they can't.
17:35Okay. Thank you. All right, Jamie, who's your favorite so high?
17:39Same guy. I think he said last week, Devante Adams.
17:42He's been awesome. I think he'll still be very good.
17:45He's doing this without Puka. You know, so if you can convince somebody that his name is still going to be as
17:52great, his production is still going to be as great, it's got to be somebody that's not paying attention so closely, but
17:59if you can still turn Devante Adams into something great, I would do that right now.
18:04Would you turn Devante Adams into Saquon Barkley? 100%.
18:07Oh, yeah. Really? It's that easy? Yeah. I mean, look, Devante is playing out of his mind right now.
18:13He's still showing that he's one of the best receivers in the game.
18:17He's still showing why he's going to be a Hall of Famer, but he's not going to do this when Puka's on the field.
18:25But he was better than Adams that he was better than Barkley last year.
18:29Yeah, but it's position scarcity. So you can use somebody like Barkley probably more so than you can use Adams.
18:36And I know that's weird to say, but when Adams goes back to what I think his role is going to be,
18:43I don't think it's going to be as productive as it is.
18:46It's not going to be anywhere close to what it is right now.
18:51It's obvious. But it's the hope that Barkley can turn things around.
18:54He's running well. It's just that he's not getting new fantasy points.
18:58And I think we saw it really good with Adams, but he scored 50% more fantasy points when Adams was gone.
19:05Yeah, like it was from 20 fantasy points per game to 30 fantasy points per game.
19:10six of his 10 touchdowns. I think also the, you know, hard to say because it was the Australia game and they
19:17look bad, but the small sample size of their goal line 13 personnel package was Puka not Devante.
19:23Absolutely. Yep. That was a big concern. I just he's played so well the last two weeks.
19:28And I don't know. I have some concerns about Barkley, the player, but Barkley, the fantasy player.
19:33But we can talk about that a little bit.
19:36Like I would 100% take DeAndre Swift for Devante Adams coming off of, you know, I don't know if it was like
19:43a bad game for Swift, but I think the last two haven't been amazing.
19:48I can't remember, but I'm very high on DeAndre Swift.
19:51You know, I would take that. I would take Swift over Barkley.
19:55Would you guys? Not there yet. They are very close in the trade chart.
19:59They are two spots apart, but Barkley still carries a little bit more weight.
20:04I'd still rather have Swift. Go ahead. I think Swift has gotten a larger share of the workload early on because Mononga hasn't been fully healthy.
20:12And I'm still kind of expecting if Mononga is healthy in the second half, it's going to go back to the one drive apiece.
20:20Okay. Dave, we'll go to break after this. Who's your favorite?
20:23So high. The only one I wrote down was Harold Fannin because both of his touchdowns last week were a little bit fluky.
20:30He was like third or fourth in the progression.
20:33The plays that they scored on, he wasn't the primary.
20:36Watson wasn't pressured on one of the two. And then the second one, he was pressured and he just moved out of
20:43the way and Harold Fannin was right place, right time.
20:47The two games before weren't very good. And you can still find a tight end off the waiver wire.
20:53I don't know if you can get Sadiq or Waller anymore, but you can still find another tight end to replace Fannin.
21:00So he just had a good game. I do think he can be more consistent if Shador Sanders plays, but I don't
21:07know when that's going to be at this point.
21:09The Browns are two and one. Watson's playing okay.
21:12So if you can get anything for Fannin, I would do it.
21:16All right, we'll take a quick break and we'll come back tell you who we think is just going to be a
21:23huge bust this year based on the first three weeks and who's going to be the steal of the draft and who's
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23:32So, fill in the blank. It feels like blank is going to be a huge bust.
23:37Jamie? Colson Loveland? I mean, it's so disappointing. Yeah, that's the point of this is to really say like, don't buy low basically.
23:44You know, I mean, not necessarily, but it's not a screaming buy low, right?
23:49I mean, that's the thing. What do you think about Loveland?
23:52No, it's not a screaming buy low. I mean, first off, the quarterback is hurt and I know Case Keenan played well,
23:59but you know, look, he looked amazing last season with Caleb Williams.
24:03I think there's still plenty of upside for all the Bears pass catchers with Caleb there.
24:08So, that's part of it. you, we all went into this thinking, oh, it's going to be Loveland and or Loveland Burden and or Loveland Burden Odunze.
24:17That's it. And now there's an and with Kalief Raymond who's, you know, been so involved and I don't think is going
24:24away as you've talked a lot about. So... Kalief Raymond.
24:27Thank you. There's just, you know, you're seeing him dropped now and I get it.
24:31It sucks. You know, I saw him dropped in the 10-team league last week.
24:36I picked him up. You know, Waver's run tonight.
24:39It's a small bench. I'm probably going to have to drop him.
24:43I have Bowers in that league, so it's not worth rostering Colston Loveland, which just sucks.
24:48It just absolutely sucks. Like, this was, this was, I think, everybody's favorite breakout candidate this year.
24:53You know, no matter who you talk to. It was, you know, whether you liked him or loved him, there was obviously
25:00people that were concerned and make sense. But I think the majority of fantasy analysts, fantasy managers were looking at this guy
25:07as a potential superstar and hopefully it still happens, but it just doesn't feel like that's going to be the case.
25:14Dave, I feel like, or it feels like blank is going to be a huge bust.
25:19I've got a bunch of names and certainly Romo Dunze would qualify as another guy.
25:24Let me give you the three names and then we can talk about the one you like the best.
25:30Chris Godwin is one. Ashton Gentry. There's another one that's actually made me kind of nervous.
25:35I think I'm actually just going to stop there between those two.
25:39What do you think we're going to choose? Godwin or Gentry?
25:42I think everybody kind of sees it with Godwin, especially with the quarterback change.
25:46What were some of the stats that really worried us about Ashton Gentry last year?
25:51Yeah, we, so we did this on beyond the box where he has the same yards before contact as he did last year.
25:59And he had that great week one. It all came on the strength of what he did as a pass catcher.
26:05He still has zero rushing touchdowns this year. 3.3 yards per carry.
26:09These are simple stats, but we started to see Mike Washington run a little bit better last week.
26:15And the words that Rand Carthon said that Jamie told us about, about how he thinks Washington's a better fit than Gentry in this offense.
26:23Coupled with the fact that Gentry got hurt during a practice late August.
26:27It it's making me a little squeamish about what to expect from Gentry moving forward.
26:32And if we're, if we're in a world where running back values are sky high right now and people are willing to
26:39give up a lot to get a brand name running back like Ashton Gentry, maybe you consider it because he just really
26:46has certainly he's getting double digit PPR points. He doesn't look the part as a runner the last two weeks.
26:52Um, and it, it makes me nervous that he could end up being a bus this year despite the big week one.
26:59Yeah. He also had his lowest target per out run rate of the year by far with Brock Bowers back.
27:05However, I mean, there, I kind of feel like with Gentry, the time, if you agree, like worst case scenario is last year.
27:13I mean, which is still an RB two, right?
27:15You know, and you're not saying he's a total buzzer.
27:19You said if you can get a huge value for him, but the way Dan and I kind of says like he
27:26gets so much work that he could end up playing like a first rounder, but at worst, he's probably going to play like a second rounder.
27:34I mean, the best thing that happened that prevented him from being the clear and obvious biggest bust was the ankle injury
27:41in the preseason because it dropped his ADP down to where we could get him in round two or in round three for a period of time.
27:49And so I think if you look at like the people who drafted him at the two, three turn may be okay.
27:56Yeah. Right. And someone said, you know, Dave, you mispronounced Omari and Hampton.
28:01And yeah, like that's a good pick also for he could be the biggest.
28:05What did I say? Oh, oh. Yeah. No, that's true.
28:08And that's somebody that I think we were all pretty excited to draft and it, it went kablooey pretty quickly in part
28:15because the offensive line for the Chargers went kablooey pretty quickly.
28:19And he doesn't get any targets. He has two targets.
28:22I think in three games. Terrible. All right. Heath, who's your biggest bust or feels like it's going to be the biggest bust.
28:29So it's kind of a, I think a new game that we should just play each off season now is like, which
28:36is, who is the one guy that Heath really likes?
28:39That's going to be the biggest bust. Um, it's Kyle Pitts this year.
28:43Um, just, I don't understand at all how this confluence of events has come to be.
28:49The Cooper rush excuse was really nice for the first two weeks.
28:52I listen, it's probably going to be the worst contract in football.
28:56I don't know why they would give him all that money and then use him in this way.
29:02It's not as if he's a great blocker and that's why you're paying him.
29:06Um, just completely uninvolved. Somebody said he was dropped in their 10 team league.
29:11I wouldn't even move me at this point. I just look at it and feel sad.
29:16Okay. It is only one game for like with paddocks.
29:19So we'll see. We'll see. Sure. But now we've got a 13 game sample.
29:23He's been good in four of the 13 with paddocks.
29:27I know. Kyle fool me. Just wait till next year, Michael.
29:30He's still only, he's still only 25. You're going to, you're going to do a full one 80 if Drake London misses time too.
29:38So it's hopefully he's still on the waiver wire when that happens.
29:42All right, let's do this one quickly here. We'll go.
29:45Blank is, I feel like blank is going to be the steel of the fantasy draft.
29:50Jamie. Uh, I hope he's healthy, but Jalen Coker, um, you know, he's been so good so far, um, last week, not,
29:57you know, counting with the injury, but like the first two games, he was out producing Ted Earl McMillan and, you know,
30:04performing like a top 20 wide receiver and you see the way Bryce young has played and just hope to see him,
30:11you know, not miss any time with the injury or have to play through an injury.
30:16So he's been, uh, he's been really good so far.
30:19I hope it continues. Heath. I feel like I got this one.
30:23Christian Watson currently, I think we had a talk this summer where we said, you know, if, if everything goes, she'll go, goes right.
30:31What's the upside for Christian Watson? And we said top 12 wide receiver and he's currently wide receiver four just outstanding target share.
30:38We, I've heard more multiple people, multiple people talk about how Matthew golden's leading this team in targets.
30:44Well, it's 10 targets per game for golden. That's 9.7 for Watson.
30:47Like this is exactly what we wanted. Matt LaFleur saw the light or was forced to do it.
30:53And, uh, I, he may be a top 10 wide receiver rest of season.
30:58You kind of don't want them to get another running back, right?
31:01You want them to just stick with this pass heavy plan so that even, even if they do, even if they do,
31:08like if Christian Watson's getting eight targets a week, it's going to be awesome.
31:13I, I would like to have another player to use.
31:16So I'd like them to get a run back.
31:19The thing is, I mean, I don't disagree. Just looking at his player page right now, his target, his target share in
31:26three games, Christian Watson, 20%, 38%, 20%. You know, it's, it's probably got to be higher than 20% unless Jordan Love keeps throwing this much.
31:34I mean, he's had two games just like 40 something or more to pass.
31:3842 or more passes in two games. Yeah. Well, they have a bad defense and no run game.
31:44So, yeah, I mean, it could happen. It could happen.
31:47Um, yeah, I mean, you could also nominate Matthew Golden for this, uh, draft.
31:52Dave, who do you got? Wiz Khalif Raymond, who nobody drafted and we're just now picking up in week three.
31:58Can you be the steal of the draft if you weren't drafted Dave?
32:02Well, then you're going to be the steal of the waiver wire because I don't think the role is slowing down in Chicago.
32:09And that's a, that's a, he's a top 20 per game receiver.
32:13You think so? I mean, he's 32 years old.
32:16This is crazy. It's crazy. What's happening. You think he's really going to be, and look, I, I don't disagree.
32:22I, I put in pretty aggressive bids for him.
32:25Yeah. I was pretty irritated by that in our, in our league.
32:29Seven targets per game. Oh, oh, in our, in our, did we get him?
32:34He has seven targets. Let's go. Seven targets per game.
32:37And he's catching 91% of his targets. How much did I bet?
32:40I bet like 50. Great. Oh, Thomas in the chat with the, the, the great, no, great, no, great team name.
32:47You're great. Great team name. You're doing it again.
32:50You're greater lading me again. I, I already said everybody hates Raymond.
32:54I said that like three weeks never heard that, but great team name, Thomas.
32:58I will give you credit for that all year long.
33:01Come on, Thomas, man. You're better than that. I'm going to name a team like that and just put all rights reserve
33:08Thomas after can, can I name one other guy besides Raymond?
33:12Sure. Cause I mean, this is, this might be the right.
33:15Wait, no. Were they drafted? Yes. This person was drafted.
33:19Yes. In fact, he was, this will be your answer.
33:22In fact, he was left for dead on the side of the road and people who just were like, well, I need a running back.
33:30And it's round 10 took Chuba Hubbard and he's, he's just, he's looked really, really good.
33:35And things have just turned out right for him because Jonathan Brooks shocker got hurt and he's from the jump.
33:41He was the Panthers guy running back all along.
33:44So I feel like a fool for having Brooks ranked ahead of Chuba Hubbard, but I also took Chuba Hubbard in a
33:51couple of leagues as bench depth and he's absolutely saving my bacon in a number of leagues.
33:56And now I think you've got to view him as an RB one rest of season.
34:02Okay. Well now I'm just thinking about bacon. Corey has a question.
34:05Khalif Raymond or Jerry Rice? Oh, I mean, it's gotta be Raymond at this point.
34:10I mean, what did Jerry Rice really do? Yeah.
34:13Oh, I thought we were talking about Jerry Rice today and I'm, I'm really not sure.
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35:09All right. Email of the day is from Steve question.
35:12Three colleges have two or more wide receivers in the top 15 in the NFL in yards so far.
35:18Again, three colleges have two or more wide receivers in the top 15 in the NFL in yards.
35:24Yeah. Which colleges are they? Oh, state has to be one of them.
35:28Now I was, I haven't fact checked, so I'm going to just trust Steve.
35:32Uh, yes. Ohio state has JSN, Olave and Garrett Wilson.
35:36Uh, LSU is there. Not LSU. No. Uh, USC.
35:38USC has Drake London and St. Brown. Okay. And, uh, Holy Cross.
35:42You're such a cheater. Yes. Holy Cross. Jalen Coker and Kalief Raymond.
35:46Amazing trivia. All roads lead to Kalief Raymond. I shouldn't have put the question in the notes, but, um, yeah, that's such a great trivia question.
35:54Thank you, Steve. And he is a Holy Cross graduate, a proud Holy Cross graduate.
35:59Dave Pittsburgh is at Cleveland. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
36:03Uh, the stat of the game, I already gave it.
36:06Aaron Rogers is holding the ball much longer. Only 35% of his passes have been in less than 2.5 seconds.
36:13It's usually 50% or higher each of the previous four seasons.
36:16A dots way up, not throwing to the running backs as much, but again, it didn't really work for Bryce young last
36:23week because the Browns had the highest pressure rate in the NFL in week three.
36:28So will that work for Aaron Rogers this week?
36:31Uh, Jamie, who do we want, like need to start in this game?
36:35I think there's only one guy and that's Jalen Warren.
36:38Um, you know, the, the receivers are starters and three receiver leagues.
36:42I think just looking at Denzel Boston and potentially DK Metcalf.
36:45Um, I think you can, if you've been starting Harold fan and yes, the touchdowns were fluky to some degree last week,
36:52but he'd also got you 10 PPR points the week before.
36:56So he's in the borderline starting range. Um, the Steelers DST would still be in play for me, but that, and even
37:03the Browns, I guess, you know, but I don't know if you consider the Browns must start, but I think just from
37:10a skill position standpoint, it's Jalen Warren and nothing else.
37:13No one else. What do we think? Well, what's the deal with Rico Dattel?
37:18Does he have a chance to play? He's mispracticed so far.
37:21I'm going to guess we get a designation of, of questionable at best.
37:25So at this point I'm anticipating him not playing.
37:28Right. Rico doubt. So what if he plays? So how would that change?
37:32Heath, how would that change your ranking of Jalen Warren?
37:35Warren would go from a borderline RB one to a mid range RB two.
37:40He's been a lot better than Rico Dattel so far.
37:43And I don't think with Dattel not practicing this week, they're going to bring him back to a big workload.
37:49They maybe just spell Jalen Warren a little bit.
37:52He's another one. You can make a case for a great traffic.
37:56Hope so. Yeah. Look, Warren Warren averaged almost four yards per carry against New England, which is actually quite an accomplishment.
38:03And then 127 yards on 17 carries against the Bengals.
38:06And now the Browns giving up 4.8 yards per carry to running backs.
38:10And consistently every week they've been below average in that, in that metric.
38:14So excited to start Jalen Warren this week, but Warren or Barkley Warren, Warren unless Dattel plays Yes.
38:20Then it'd be really close. Agreed. Dave, who's your favorite wide receiver in this game?
38:25It's DK Metcalf, but it's in the flex range and it has to do with how the Browns have been playing.
38:31A lot of single eye coverage. That's usually a good thing for DK Metcalf.
38:36Rogers is going to need to get the ball out quick.
38:39We talked about how the Browns impacted Carolina's offense last week.
38:43They're going to do the same thing again. They played 77 snaps on Sunday, so they could be a little tired.
38:49And I wonder if the Steelers can get a little bit of an edge there and catch them a little bit, not at a hundred percent.
38:58And Metcalf has been weird. Like, I don't think he even has a game this year with 50 yards and he needed
39:05a little bit of luck to score last week.
39:08I think there's a rational argument to be made that he can finally break through to like 60 yards and still maybe
39:15score a touchdown and catch five balls along the way.
39:18I still think he's going to be a decent flex play.
39:21Yeah, man. This game's, you know, could get a surprise, but it's not what feels very Thursday night football football.
39:28What about what about Judkins Heath? How do you feel about Judkins this week?
39:32Pittsburgh giving up 4.33 yards per carry to running backs, not much there.
39:3618 carries last week for Judkins. He's a high end flex.
39:40Hopefully he scores a touchdown. Hopefully he gets maybe three targets.
39:43I don't want to start him, but I would start him over both of the Dolphins.
39:48I would start him over both of the Saints.
39:51I would start him over both of the Patriots.
39:54I would start him over both of the Commanders.
39:57I would start him over all of the Seahawks.
40:00I would start him over all of the Broncos.
40:02Would you start him over? So you might have to.
40:06DK Metcalf? Definitely in everything but full PPR. Full PPR, I have Judkins just ahead of DK Metcalf.
40:11So yes, he's the best flex in this game.
40:14Maybe the second best start in this game. Harold Fannin Jr.?
40:18How are we feeling about Harold Fannin Jr.? number two tight end?
40:22I've written about it a couple of times already this week, but tight end is the most insane position right now.
40:28I think we have 17 tight ends averaging double digit fantasy points per game, including Harold Fannin.
40:34I'm okay starting him. He's not a top 12 guy for me.
40:37Waller and Sadiq ahead of him? Waller, yeah. Well, they're both, that's the hard thing.
40:42Like practice reports today will probably dictate that for me.
40:45I'm going to be less certain about Waller over him as Coker ruled out.
40:50No. We're ranking it that way. Right. But if Coker gets in a partial practice or if Adonai Mitchell's fine, then I'll probably have Fannin over those guys.
40:59That's fair. What about guys like, who sucked at tight end lately?
41:03Likely, Kraft, Pitts. Where does Fannin? Pitts is not in my ranking.
41:06Things. Likely, not in your ranking. Likely, he's ahead of Fannin.
41:10Okay. Okay. I agree. Let's see if we have a chat.
41:13I'm trying to motivate Kyle Pitts, Dave. By the way, who do you, do you like, do you think either Deshaun Watson
41:20or Aaron Rodgers get 20 fantasy points this week?
41:23No. I think it's reasonable that they could both get there.
41:27They could. I wouldn't expect them to. And we could say that for 18 other quarterbacks.
41:32So, yeah. I don't think their ceiling is nearly as high as other quarterbacks.
41:36I would set them. I've got Watson over Rodgers.
41:39Okay. Yes, too. Watson's been running. You know, DK, this poor DK Metcalf, man.
41:44He just can't escape these good cornerbacks. Last two weeks, he's been shadowed by Christian Gonzalez and DJ Turner.
41:50Turner. He did score a touchdown when Turner collided with his teammate.
41:53But, you know, Denzel Ward is not usually a guy who moves.
41:57And he actually did last week against Ted Roll McMillan, not shadowing him, but played on the other side of the field much more than he usually does.
42:06And is he going to do that again? Is DK Metcalf going to be shadowed by a really good cornerback again?
42:13I mean, it makes sense if you're looking at it like it's...
42:17But he never... But Denzel Ward basically never does that.
42:20And he did last week, which unusual. And they have a new defensive coordinator.
42:24Right. I think that's part of it. So it might happen.
42:28Did he follow Brian Thomas in week one at all?
42:31No. No. Yeah. Not that you need to. Brian Thomas got hurt in that game too, but no.
42:37He really didn't move from one cornerback spot. And he didn't in week two either.
42:41And he did in week three. So it makes you nervous, I think, about DK.
42:46I don't think the corners have been DK's problem this year.
42:50Not the number one problem. I do. I do.
42:52I mean, not the only problem, but most guys struggle against Christian Gonzalez and some struggle against DJ Turner.
42:59It's not easy. I don't think Aaron Rodgers is going to shy away from throwing to Metcalf just because Denzel Ward is covering him.
43:06Nope. Yeah, I don't know. Well, he hasn't shied away from throwing to him when the other guys have been covering him.
43:13I mean, his targets have been there for him.
43:16He's just not catching the ball. Yeah, well, that's part of it is also the defense that the defenders that are on him.
43:23But... I don't have a ton of... I don't have a ton of questions for this game from the chat.
43:30Is the Casey Concepcion breakout incoming? Breakout's hard to see.
43:33Breakout... Go ahead. No, I... In the league where I share the FFT Open team, we have Casey Concepcion on the bench,
43:40and there was a question about dropping him for one of these waiver wire guys, and I don't...
43:46I'm not ready to drop him yet. So, I'm still hopeful.
43:49But... Yeah. We need something. I feel the same way.
43:52And the target volume being up is great, but they're all little targets.
43:56They're the thing that I was counting on when I was hyping him up in August.
44:01And he's just not catching him. He's not coming through on them.
44:05He might be another guy that we need to just wait for Shudder Sanders, which is so silly.
44:11And I don't know if we're going to see Shudder anytime soon.
44:15So, I think it could be time. He's certainly droppable.
44:18Let's just put it that way. And there's no way I could be convinced to start him.
44:23Okay. But he did play more. He ran the most routes that he's run all season.
44:28So, you don't have to drop him. Let's go quicker.
44:32Concepcion or Chris Bell rest of season? I'd rather try Bell.
44:35Concepcion. I'd still go Concepcion. Harold Fannin Jr. or Isaiah Likely this week?
44:39Likely. Likely. Likely. Denzel Boston or Jordan Addison? Addison.
44:42Either way. Addison. Deshaun Watson or Justin Herbert? Watson.
44:45Marcus Mariota. I've got him back-to-back. Marcus Mariota. Enough.
44:48That's the right answer. That's 100% true. And Sam Darnold's the second answer.
44:52But if you miss both those guys, for me, it's Watson.
44:55I'd start Daniel Jones over both of them, too.
44:58Yeah, I was just thinking somebody that's rostered in like under 20% of leagues is Mariota.
45:03All right. Last question about the DSTs. Jamie, are we starting both DSTs?
45:08I would, yeah. Steelers over the Browns. But, you know, the Steelers have looked good at times.
45:13They've looked miserable at times as well. And the Browns' defense was very good the last two weeks.
45:19You know, it's not just what they did against the Panthers, what they did against the Bucs as well in week two.
45:26So I think they're in play. And I know Deshaun Watson has played much better than we anticipated since, you know, the second half of week one.
45:34But the Steelers are still going to get pressure on him and we'll see how he does in that regard.
45:41Because I think the Panthers' defense kind of fell apart last week with injuries.
45:45They were injured coming into the game and then got worse.
45:49So I don't know if that's an indication of just how good the Browns may or may not be or Watson may or may not be.
45:57So this is going to be as tough as tests at least since week one.
46:02All right. That's it for Thursday Night Football. Na-na-na-na-na-na-na.
46:04Yeah! And when we come back, how worried are we about Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley and Omari and Hampton and who else on this list here?
46:13Lad McConkie, Jalen Waddell, Tucker Craft. We'll be right back with the Worry-O-Meter.
46:17Man, if you played offensive line in the NFL at some point, the Packers will sign you.
46:23Yeah, they just signed Kevin Zeitler. They're signing all these older or not necessarily the veteran offensive linemen with a lot of
46:29experience to do anything to shore up that line.
46:32Okay. We're worried about the Packers offensive line for sure, but how worried are we about the Eagles?
46:38Ben wants us to put Jalen Hurts on the Worry-O-Meter from zero to 100.
46:43Dave, you get the first word. What's your number for Jalen Hurts?
46:4624%. Heath? 18. Jamie? 35. All right. That's probably about 26 on the Worry-O-Meter and then somewhere around there.
46:52Do you want me to do the math from now on?
46:56No, I think people enjoy my terrible math. Okay.
46:59So 18. I want you both to do it and just see the difference.
47:03So Adam says it and then, okay, no calculators, no calculators.
47:07I got it right, by the way, 25.7. So I got it right.
47:11Yeah. Good job. Why are we not that worried?
47:14He really hasn't looked that good. You know, late touchdown against Tennessee and tore up Washington, but who doesn't?
47:20And he only threw for 203 yards in that game.
47:23Like, why are we not that worried? Heath, you're never that worried about Jalen Hurts.
47:28Yeah. Well, first off, you don't draft Jalen Hurts for his aesthetic as a passer.
47:32Second off, he's averaging 21 fantasy points per game.
47:35That's not that good. This day and age? Right.
47:38But we don't put somebody way high on the worry-ometer because he's averaging 21 fantasy points per game.
47:44I think we do when he's faced... One good game and it's fine.
47:48But he's faced Washington, Tennessee, and Chicago. If he were a great quarterback, he'd probably be averaging closer to 28 points per game.
47:55That's hyperbole. But that's what I would expect from prime Jalen Hurts.
47:59He's also not... I don't know if we're ever going to get that guy again.
48:04It just feels like that guy... You may get a game here or there.
48:08I don't know if we're going to get it consistently.
48:11The offense doesn't seem like it's working again. I don't know if it's just more offensive line injuries because they're missing one person.
48:19They're missing Dallas Goddard. We continue to make excuses for Jalen Hurts in fantasy.
48:23I know he gets a lot of crap, too much crap in reality for a guy that's won the Super Bowl.
48:30It's... The decline five years in a row of his fantasy points per game.
48:34The decline three games in a row of his fantasy points per game this season.
48:39I wrote the start sit already for the quarterbacks and I have him as the bustler for this week, mostly because I'm not going to replace him.
48:48I don't think you go and start Mariota or Brissett or any of these guys over Jalen Hurts yet.
48:54I don't think anybody should be at that point.
48:57Like he said, he's still averaging over 20 points per game.
49:00But we're just getting to this point of at some point you may have to consider replacing him or have to consider
49:07somebody who has more upside or start streaming. Not that you're cutting him, but benching him to the point where there is
49:14somebody that can get you 23 or 24 points.
49:17So I don't know if it's just Goddard not being there and how he looked.
49:22And I'll go back to what I said on Tuesday's show.
49:25If he doesn't get knocked out and he gets you that touchdown, you feel a lot better about where he's at across the board.
49:33So just take that into account. It's just, he's just not playing very well right now.
49:38And that's the frustrating part. Do you think part of it could be the new offense?
49:43Yeah. That he's just not quite, you know, he's played three games in this new offense that he's never had to learn before.
49:50I'll ask Scott Turner about it. I'll talk to Scott today.
49:54And I mean, you would think by at this point, he would be a little quicker at learning new offenses.
50:00He has to do it every year. Not really, because the offenses that he had before this year were kind of similar.
50:07And this one is like a total overall. You know, I mean, he's learning.
50:12He's learning Makai Lemon. He doesn't have Goddard for at least this last game, you know, getting Earths back, you know, and
50:19Earths had a horrible block on what was, you know, set up to be a big play on a wide receiver screen.
50:26And there's just a lot of things that moving parts.
50:29It's just it's kind of been the norm for him because of some of these situations with offense coordinators and and again, a few different changes in personnel.
50:38But it's just I don't think you're getting the return on investment you were hoping for if you drafted him as a top five or six guy.
50:46That's true. I'm not worried. I just want to move on here.
50:50I just I need to point out he's he's averaging 5.3 carries per game and he used to be more like 10.
50:57So this is a huge development. It's only three games, but last year he didn't run that much either.
51:03It was 6.6 rush attempts per game. So I think the days of like the you know, seven 800 yards rushing from
51:10Jalen Hurts are probably over and I do think that we need to we need to factor that in.
51:16Go ahead. Could he hit his stride starting in week five?
51:20The schedule gets great. It's Jacksonville. That's in England and Carolina matchup.
51:23They haven't right here and be like it's a great matchup.
51:27Okay. Carolina after that Washington, the Giants and then even after that it's pretty good until you get to the face.
51:34Washington, Tennessee and Chicago. They are Washington. Tennessee is terrible.
51:37They are top five in three and out rate.
51:40They have not been a good offense. They barely have the ball.
51:43Two of the last two of their three games have had the ball for like less than 24 minutes.
51:49They are a struggling offense right now. He should have had two interceptions.
51:54He had one terrible one. He should have had almost the exact same play.
51:58I'm not that worried. I think they'll turn it around but like we're kind of missing the point.
52:04They have had an easy schedule and they are 29th in three and out rate.
52:09Go look at the teams that are at the bottom of three and out or like the worst three and out rate.
52:16You don't want the Eagles on that list. That is a crappy crappy list.
52:20They got to get better and they have the lowest play action rate in the NFL.
52:25too by the way. You got loud over that.
52:28Yeah it was really confusing. I just think I just feel like Jalen Hurd.
52:32Do we have a shout meter? This is like an 85 on the shout.
52:37This happened in week one. I was like Jalen Hurd had this good game but it really looked a little clunky and
52:44why are you always criticizing Jalen Hurd? Nobody said that.
52:47You did. You did. You gave me crap. Today?
52:50No in week one. I just think like when we're in an environment where Drake May and Justin Herbert exist and Caleb
52:57Williams and Jaden Daniels are not available like talking about worrying about sixth or seventh round Jalen Hurd's when he's averaging 21
53:04fantasy points per game like we said nobody said zero.
53:07It's a little worried. Yeah. All right. I think they'll turn it around but they need to have the ball more.
53:14They need to sustain their drives. They got to fix this three and out very passionate.
53:19This sounds like somebody who's angry about Devante Smith's production.
53:22No, no, no. And is really starting to get nervous.
53:25Nervous? I'm done being nervous. I'm resigned to my fate.
53:28Okay. Face or fate? By the way, I have a good Zay flower stat.
53:33Do you know what his yards per route run is?
53:36It's huge. Yeah, it's over nine. Insane. I haven't found anything even close to that.
53:41Like just looking at the first two weeks of a season because he's only played two games.
53:46So anyway, we'll come back to that. We'll come back.
53:49Worryometer for Saquon Barkley zero to 10 or zero to 100.
53:53Jamie, you can start zero to 100 on Barkley.
53:5621. Dave? 42. Okay. I was going to say 16.
53:59Oh, geez. That's hard. I'm going to go 24 is the average there.
54:03Okay. That, that, okay. That's not a, that's not a bad guess.
54:07It's 26.3. You did that in your head? Yeah.
54:10Oh, that's terrific. I should just, it's really like the easiest math in the world.
54:14You just add the numbers. Yeah. It's three numbers and then divide by three.
54:19I'm doing it the hard way here. Um, all right.
54:22Uh, who you were the highest teeth. Why are you the most worried about Barkley?
54:27Well, first off, Saquon Barkley was around two pick.
54:30And so I think like the, the bar of what we're expecting for production, is much, much higher.
54:35And I don't like the fact if you just look at week one and week three, the two weeks that he played
54:42mostly the full game, he ran 23 routes. Devante Smith ran 63.
54:46Um, I don't think this, I mean, he was awesome against the bears.
54:50I think the bears run defense is a lot worse than their past defense.
54:55Um, he was awesome against the bears on a per carry basis, but I'm not sure that he's going to have much
55:02of a role in the passing game. He's still going to lose one yard carries and maybe two yard carries after the
55:09way they looked running the ball on short and short yardage, um, to Jalen hurts.
55:13And so I'm, I'm worried about him not being worth the second round pick.
55:18Okay. He was wide open on a screen pass early in that game and Jalen hurts overthrew it.
55:24Um, but still it's two targets in every game.
55:26Now I barely played in one of them. You're right that the route participation rate was 61% last year.
55:33It was 27% in week one and 45% in week three.
55:36So still like nowhere near what it was in 2020.
55:39And I think probably the difference between week one and week three is Dallas Goddard was there in week one and Dallas Goddard wasn't there in week three.
55:48Um, I, I think like when Goddard comes back, he's going to be even less involved.
55:53All right, let's go to the next one here.
55:56That's, that's the worst case scenario for sake one Barkley.
55:59The other guys weren't as worried. Um, I'm worried about Khalif Raymond being the wide receiver one for the bears.
56:06So he's, he doesn't lead them in targets anymore.
56:08That's currently Luther burden, but it's very close. How worried are you about, I guess I would say Khalif Raymond's role, uh,
56:15you know, on Chicago, Dave I'm worried about his role worried about how his role impacts the other bears.
56:21Yeah. That, uh, yeah, I'm worried about his role impacting other bears.
56:25So put me at 75%. Jamie, when one bears door opens up another window, um, am I worried about him impacting the other bears players?
56:33Is that what it is? Yeah. What's, what's your worryometer for that?
56:37I'm worried about this question being wonky. Um, well, it's not, it's not even the question that was asked.
56:43Adam's like just turning it into something else because he knew we wouldn't get high enough on the scale for the real question.
56:50No, no, I think it is. I mean, it's Khalif Raymond as the bears.
56:55You can just read the words. I know, but it's kind of tongue in cheek.
57:00I mean, like it's, it's about the other players.
57:02It's, you know, it's about the other guys. So shouldn't we do a worryometer for burden, Loveland, or Dunze?
57:08Sure. But we don't have that graphic. So it's 45.
57:12What? 45. 45. Oh, okay. Um, 25. Oh, okay.
57:15One 20. One. I don't know what I'm answering.
57:17It's almost 50%. Yeah. 48, 48 is something. 49, 48.
57:21It was 48.3. Yeah. 48. Um, all right. Yeah.
57:23I look, we already talked about it, but we are concerned about Khalif Raymond having some staying power and impacting the other guys.
57:31Maddie says, I'm worried that my team will be too good following the Jeremiah love breakout and we'll take all the suspense out of fantasy football.
57:39So yeah, I mean, stop. This is ridiculous. Well, how, how, um, how worried are you that you, if you don't have
57:46Jeremiah love, like, Oh, this guy's going to wreck my league.
57:49Uh, 10. No, I mean, I think Jeremiah love is a guy that I wish I, I, I had on any of my teams.
57:57I'm annoyed that I don't. I think, uh, the fact that his role was so good and it, he's clearly taken over as the lead back.
58:05He's going to be awesome. All right, whatever. Let's go to the next one.
58:10That was more for fun. That one was fun.
58:13It was a lot of fun. That was so much fun.
58:16All right. Pat's this is from Pat's pens pirates.
58:19Those are his favorite teams. This Twitter fought this Twitter user, lad McConkie.
58:23Where are you? I'm around. He knows that Mark Malone is probably 46% on lad 4235.
58:28You couldn't just say 44. All right. It's going to be about 41, right?
58:3341 Heath. Exactly. 41. There we go. This isn't going to be fun if Adam's going to be right on all these averages.
58:40Yeah, it did pretty, it did pretty well at the math version of the math SATs.
58:45Not so much on the English as I think you all can figure out.
58:50But McConkie, I mentioned this on Monday show. You don't want on this horrible offensive line.
58:55You don't want him to have the highest average route depth of his career.
58:59And like he's running much deeper downfield. That's not the lad McConkie we know.
59:04And it's not supposed to be this offense either.
59:06But, you know. All right. Discuss Dave. Discuss your concerns of lad McConkie.
59:11It's because the Chargers offense is ugly and I don't know how quickly they can turn it around to the degree we
59:17hope for when we were drafting Chargers a little more than a month ago.
59:22Can he still be relevant in fantasy and be a quality number two fantasy receiver?
59:27Yeah. But can he be a number one? I worry about that.
59:31And I do think his role needs to change.
59:33I think he needs to get healthier too. But he's part of the pathway for the Chargers to at least be like
59:40a functional offense for the rest of the season.
59:43Jamie, any thoughts on McConkie? It's definitely been frustrating against the entire team.
59:47You know, so there's I think you got to be worried about the Chargers the rest of season.
59:53It's just been a complete failure so far based on the expectations.
59:57That being said, he has one, I think, one very good game in week one.
60:02One very disappointing game in week two. And then week three, you know, fighting his way through this rib injury.
60:08We'll see how just if that's something that's, you know, plaguing him.
60:12Really, I think it's just more of a Justin Herbert, Mike McDaniel problem that is impacting Lad McConkie.
60:18If he gets the targets, I think he'll be productive.
60:21So the schedule coming up is not exactly ideal, but I don't I'm not benching Lad McConkie anytime soon.
60:27The yards per route run are still great. The target per route run is kind of gross.
60:32Can Lad McConkie straight up get me Chuba Hubbard or Cam Scadaboo?
60:36That's a chat question. I would not be trading Chuba Hubbard for Lad McConkie right now.
60:41I would consider it for Scadaboo. Closer for Scadaboo, but I don't know if you're even going to get that.
60:47I would I would probably want something else alongside of it.
60:51Yeah. OK. Last one here is from Brian Burke.
60:54He has two tight ends he wants on the Worryometer.
60:57Tucker Craft and Isaiah Likely. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry.
61:00I'll skip that. You go back. We should go back to Waddle.
61:04I think you're right. I think it's a very good one.
61:07Let's let's do Waddle. Worryometer on Waddle. How much will Pat Bryant impact the production of Dylan Waddle?
61:13What's your Worryometer on Waddle? Did you see Pat Bryant admitting that he flopped?
61:17No. I think he admitted that he flopped on the interception.
61:21Yeah. I thought watching it live. It was a great.
61:24Well, it wasn't an interception. No, it was an interception.
61:27They got called a P. Well, yes. But I mean, yeah, that play.
61:31Yeah. Such a good. Such a great interception. That's what the NFL needs his flop.
61:36Waddle would be 25. I'll go a little lower.
61:3920. Uh, 36. 22 and a half. I don't like that he showed up to some event in a walking boot.
61:46Yeah. That's not cool. I've I'm not doing this math.
61:4927.5, 28, 27. There will be no point fives when you're dividing by.
61:53Oh yeah. Yeah. Point three. Yeah. Um, 27. I'm just spitballing here.
61:57Not that worried. All right. Two bad games out of three, but at least he had seven targets last week against the Rams.
62:04I think it says something that he's had bad numbers when defenses have put like quality corners on him and tried to lock them up.
62:12And I do think the Broncos offense has clearly moved on from where they, from what they looked like in week one,
62:19because they look terrible in week one and they've looked better since.
62:23Schedule get easier. I'm, I'm kind of buying waddle.
62:26I already have them on a bunch of teams.
62:28Well, I mean, it looked horrible in the first half last week.
62:32They did. And they came around in the second half, but waddle wasn't a part of that in part because he saw
62:39a lot of, uh, of, uh, Trent McDuffie. I don't know how many great corners are in their future.
62:45They play Seattle in a few weeks. That'll be a disaster, but short of that, I still think he's got plenty of upside.
62:53Number two receiver. Okay. Should we do craft and likely?
62:56Yeah. All right. Craft. Uh, like 15, 60, Ooh, 15, 31, 60.
63:00What'd you say? 31. Okay. It's going to be in that range.
63:03Let's see. 31, 45. Uh, yeah. So that's going to be like 34, 35.3.
63:08Yeah. That's what I said. And that's Tucker craft.
63:11Um, I don't know what he's got a 14% target share.
63:14That's problem, but this is a small sample size, right?
63:17I mean, he could have, he could have a great game only a guy that has a huge read and got two
63:24games where Jordan love is throwing the ball over 40 times.
63:28So I think the targets will continue to be there for him.
63:32And I think he'll start to produce. I think so.
63:35Like the target share Tucker crafts, never really been a target share guy.
63:39Yeah. Um, 20% last year or something. He's only averaging five and a half yards after catch per reception.
63:45We need him to, to, to run. Well, that's the thing that I can't figure out.
63:50I try to watch the tape and I can't really give you an answer.
63:55Is he the same guy or is he still, is he still rounding into form after 20?
64:00See how I really don't know the answer to that.
64:03So that could be part of it. But again, it's all small sample stuff here.
64:08I say a likely zero to 100. 15, 30.
64:11I'm going to go a little higher. 40%. Uh, 14, uh, 33.
64:15No, no, no, no, no, not even close. 23.
64:17Okay. Right. 23, 22.7. Yeah. Okay. So that's Isaiah likely 23% on the worry.
64:22I mean, who is the highest Dave? I think it was me.
64:26Yeah. Yeah. He talked this week about how he had spent so much time prepping with Jackson Dart and getting on the same page of Jackson dart.
64:34Now he's got to do it all over again with Jameis Winston.
64:38And we don't even know if it's going to be Jameis Winston for the rest of the season after the giants traded for JJ McCarthy.
64:46I still like them. I still sort of want to start them, but I would consider some other options until I start
64:53to see it again, where likely is getting not just the good targets, but good catches and doing something with the ball.
65:00This giants offense could be pretty ugly pass wise rest of season.
65:04I just, I think when like the first game that was bad after his great week one was a 10 target game.
65:11The second quarterback and his back, right. What he was doing, right.
65:15The second game where he was bad. Yes, it was only five targets.
65:19They didn't have to throw the ball because they were playing the Titans in the rain.
65:24So I just don't, maybe that will turn out to be like indicative of something, but I'll feel much more worried about
65:31Isaiah likely if he's very bad against Arizona this week.
65:34It's a, it's a very telling matchup because I mean, look, he's not going to do what Kittle does.
65:40Kittle just did that would, that would be fantastic, but I wouldn't anticipate it.
65:45I think more of what you saw from week one where both chargers tight ends combined for 90 yards receiving and was
65:51Njoku had a big or good enough fantasy game, 10, 10 plus points.
65:56So like likely without a touchdown, I think that's the safe range for him with touchdown.
66:01He's going to be better. I think he's nailed it.
66:04Like, we don't know what this passing game is going to look like for the giants yet.
66:09Yeah. I'm really freaked out, but it's a, it's a prove it week.
66:13I mean, the next two games, Arizona and at Washington, if the giants don't look good in these two games, then I
66:20think everything we said about likely can apply to Malik neighbors.
66:24First place giants continues to say that. Yeah. The first place neighbors is much higher on the worryometer than likely is.
66:31I understand because of where you drafted him, but I'm just saying like for, for this, for the giants offense as a
66:38whole, Washington, then they're just probably going to be the, one of the worst offenses in the NFL for the rest of the season.
66:45I also worry about giving an edict of let's, let's just run the ball.
66:50Let's play it safe. Let's be conservative. Let's just do what I've always done in Baltimore and not air it out week after week after week.
66:58And that kind of goes against what Jameis is.
67:01That's perfect for JJ McCarthy, but I I'm, I'm kind of nervous with you, Adam.
67:06I'm, I'm freaking out a little bit about the upside being hit for both likely and neighbors.
67:11I want to hear the worryometer for neighbors. Does it?
67:14I don't, I don't know if there is a perfect for JJ McCarthy.
67:18I think the giants defense is going to put Jameis in some situations where he gets to be Jameis.
67:24And I don't think Harbaugh is going to get to do what he wants to do.
67:29I mean, you just lost burn. That's secondary still questionable.
67:33Like sure. Second half of games. Doesn't JJ McCarthy love his tight end.
67:37Well, I don't, I don't know. Is his tight end sitting three 15 tight end is wearing number nine.
67:43So maybe if it's tight end, he does love number nine, 15 yards farther downfield than his intended target.
67:49Then he might throw it to his tight end, but yeah, I was going to say here, Jameis just like, I'd like
67:56for Jameis to actually look like Jameis. He's, he's looked like a very old horrible quarterback so far, but there are excuses.
68:03I get it. Zay flowers is averaging 9.4 yards per outrun on 12 targets.
68:07And I went back and I looked at like any wide receiver who had, who had 12 or more targets in one
68:14in weeks, one in two, and couldn't find anything even close to 9.4 yards per outrun.
68:19But I did find a few players who were like 3.5 yards per outrun or better in this super small sample size
68:26and who didn't end up being that good. And three of them, three of them were Ravens.
68:32Rashad Bateman, Zay flowers last year was good, but 14.7 PPR fantasy points per game.
68:36Was it great? And a marquee's Brown in 2000 wasn't great.
68:4019. He wasn't, I mean, you got 14.7 points per game from Mark from Zay flowers this year.
68:46You'd be pretty upset about it because, because a lot of these guys on this list of like four or more yards
68:53per outrun in this super small sample size, they end up being JSN and Puka Nakua.
68:58They end up being league winners and that's probably where we're headed with Zay flowers.
69:02But the, the funny thing is like the busts and not busts, but the ones who just didn't even come close to sustaining it.
69:10We're Ravens. Not, not exclusively, but a lot of Ravens on that list.
69:14It's a different Ravens offense now. It is. Yeah.
69:17Great. The trade for a few minutes here to finish the show from John, give up Parker Washington, get Alvin Kamara and lad McConkie.
69:25F don't like F rather of Washington from Doug.
69:28He's three and O. He gives up Olave, Jeremiah love and Tyler Warren.
69:32He gets Devante Smith, Saquon Barkley and Nico Collins.
69:35And he has Jawan Johnson to replace Tyler Warren.
69:37Olave Warren and Jeremiah love for Devante Smith, Barkley and Nico.
69:41B minus. E, C plus. I kind of like the Olave side better.
69:45It's close. It's very even. I'm running it through the chart.
69:49See what it says. As is from Matthew, give up Puka and Kelsey, get Pickens and Jalen Warren.
69:54D. You like the Puka side better? Yeah. I mean, I'm going to give it a B.
70:00Dave's got to break the tie on that one.
70:03I'm still on the last question. The chart actually has Smith and Collins significantly higher.
70:07That's interesting. I didn't even hear the trade. Puka and Kelsey for Pickens and Jalen Warren.
70:12I think I'd take the Puka side. Oh yeah.
70:15It's tough because the whole, you know, like what happens if we don't know comes back?
70:20We don't know when Puka is coming back. Yeah.
70:23Traded Nico, DJ Moore and Scadaboo. Nico, DJ Moore and Scadaboo for B.
70:27John Robinson and AJ Brown in a 10 team league.
70:30Hey, B. John side wins from Brody. 12 team half PPR.
70:34Give up Tony Pollard and DJ Moore. Get DeAndre Swift.
70:37You win. B plus. B plus. B plus. From Dirk.
70:40Half PPR, three receivers and a flex. Give up Bucky Irving and T Higgins.
70:45Get Josh Jacobs and Drake London. Bucky and Higgins for Jacobs in London.
70:49Oh, you might have just gotten London. C minus.
70:52C minus. Yeah. I don't think you should do it.
70:55And from Jeff, I have both Josh Allen and Brock Purdy.
70:58I'm thinking about trading Allen for an RB one.
71:01What is fair return in PPR? Swift. Swift is in that range.
71:05That might get you chase Brown. I would. You know what?
71:09I, if you can do it, do it. I've got Brown higher than that on the trade chart.
71:14The range is Gentile, Kyron Williams, Brees Hall. Aim higher than that.
71:18Try and definitely try and get chase Brown. I have that pair in our draft a thon league and I was thinking
71:25about the same type of thing, but I'd probably get like Jalen Warren at best for Josh Allen because it's a bunch of analysts.
71:33Okay. Yeah. You can get David Montgomery for Josh Allen.
71:36Fantastic. I've already got J.K. Dobbins. We'll talk to you all to borrow with the AFC home games on fantasy football today.
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