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1:02What a play! Can you believe this? I had no idea.
1:05It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet.
1:09He's just gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:14We are taking you beyond the box score here on Fantasy Football Today.
1:18Welcome. It is Monday, September 28th. And this was one of the most head-spinning weeks that we're gonna have all year, I think, Dan.
1:24We had crazy games. We had amazing finishes. What a game last night.
1:28Sunday night, Rams and Broncos. We also have this horrible season-ending injury to Devon HM, which we're gonna talk about.
1:34We've got J.J. McCarthy to the Giants, which we're gonna talk about.
1:37Is your head spinning like mine is? Completely. And, you know, it was so obvious how weird this week was when I
1:43did an article that I always write for CBS Sports every Sunday night, which kind of looks at the breakouts from the
1:49week, the early waiver wires, and I do a small panic meter.
1:53And when I was looking at the breakouts part of the week and the waiver wire, the guys that were up top
1:59from a scoring standpoint last year in Fantasy were, one, all wide receivers.
2:03It was not a good week for running backs.
2:05Wait, last year or last week? This week, outside of the top guys, like Gibbs and Bijan, like as far as like new guys bursting onto the scene.
2:13Not a lot of back options. And the receivers who were up there were just surprising names that you don't expect.
2:19You walk into this next week coming up in week four and you're like, I don't know who I'm starting in these
2:25flex spots, but it's gonna be some weird names coming up.
2:28And obviously now with the injuries, it's gonna be a very interesting fantasy week coming up.
2:33And I think I'm excited. Also, maybe we'll give you a little Jacob Gibbs impression today because unfortunately we don't have Jacob today.
2:39He's under the weather. Woke up insanely sick. And I know that feeling.
2:43Adam obviously knows that feeling as well. I think Adam's sick like 73 to 75% of the year.
2:48You've been sick much more recently than I have been.
2:51Like if you're using a small recency bias based sample size, yes, you can make that statement.
2:55But over the course of my existence on this show and your existence on the show, you're way more sick than I am on a more consistent basis.
3:03And everyone who watches knows that. I mean, yeah, but that's anyone who has little kids understands that.
3:08So that's what happens. They go to school. They all get sick.
3:12They bring it home. Anyway, Devon A-chan is out for the season.
3:15By the way, our big topics today, we're only gonna have three big topics today.
3:19We're gonna talk about the Raiders. The Raiders have scored at least 26 points in every game so far.
3:25They did not do that in regulation once in 2025.
3:27Not once. They did it once in overtime when they scored a touchdown, but that was it.
3:32We're talking about the Raiders and their surprising start.
3:35Michael Wilson's big game with 17 targets against San Francisco, and he gets the Giants in week four.
3:40And what is the problem with Drake May? This may not even be a fantasy question.
3:44Maybe just a football question. What is going on with Drake May?
3:48We're gonna have fun with screenshots, and we'll talk about the tape we've watched.
3:52We'll talk about Malik Nabors, a little bit on the Chargers.
3:55Right now, let's look at the Miami Dolphins running backs.
3:57With Devon A-chan out for the season, Jalen Wright missed week three with a foot injury.
4:02He also has a stinger, and we got Ollie Gordon, 17 carries and three catches, 20 touches, but 41 yards and a touchdown on those 17 carries.
4:10Now, last year, we had two games where A-chan missed.
4:12Different coaching staff, totally different scenario here, but two games where A-chan either missed or left early.
4:17And in those games, Jalen Wright had 24 carries to Ollie Gordon's five, and Jalen Wright had 13 carries to Ollie Gordon's nine.
4:24Jalen Wright had three targets but no catches in one of those games.
4:27He had two catches in the other. Ollie Gordon didn't have a catch in those two games.
4:32So, which – I guess I can't really say, like, pretend they're both healthy because they're not.
4:37But which running back are you looking at here for the Dolphins, and what's your take on it?
4:42I think regardless of the health, it would be Ollie Gordon for me because the power running element he adds, and this
4:48is something we knew when he was drafted at Oklahoma State, was also the player who, out of Jalen Wright and him,
4:54had a larger sample size of actually carrying the full workload and being the workhorse back at Oklahoma State, was in the mix for a Heisman.
5:02His second to last year in college was one of the better players in college football that year.
5:07Didn't have a great senior year. Fell to the sixth round of the draft because of it.
5:11But clearly, as you saw in his touchdown from this week, has that power element to his game.
5:16I don't think either is going to be too valuable for fantasy, I'm going to be honest.
5:21This feels very dead zone-y. This feels very back on an offense that can't really score points.
5:26But if you want to go for something, you've got to go for the guy who you think profiles better as a
5:32red zone option and the better option to give you those six points that you get from a touchdown.
5:38And that's Ollie Gordon to me for sure. Even if we come back and we're like, oh, he's not getting the passing
5:44down work at him, I don't care as much.
5:46I feel like that's a bit overrated in fantasy.
5:49What it really comes down to is who are they going to trust in the red zone?
5:54But the reality is there aren't going to be too many of those red zone trips.
5:58Yeah, I mean, there'll be enough. You know, look, Devon Achan scored 10.6 PPR fantasy points in week one, 12.3 in week two.
6:05That's terrible for Devon Achan. If I got that from Jalen Wright or Ollie Gordon, I'd be really happy about it.
6:10But you won't because they'll split, right? They'd have to score.
6:13And Achan hasn't scored yet. Yes, you figure they are going to split.
6:17I kind of would lean toward Wright if he were healthy.
6:20I don't know what this foot issue is. He's not on IR, so I don't think it's a long-term thing.
6:26They could always put him on IR. A stinger is usually not a long-term thing.
6:30I would probably lean Wright because he'll catch more balls.
6:33But yeah, I could definitely see Ollie Gordon being the goal line back and taking Wright off the field.
6:38It's not great. If you're looking short-term, we're not going to get an update on Brees Hall until Wednesday, apparently.
6:44But I think Braylon Allen, if Brees Hall were to miss a game, like Braylon Allen would be better.
6:49Plus, you do have the Dolphins at Minnesota this week, which isn't great.
6:53But I can't sit here. I agree with you.
6:55It's not going to be great for fantasy, but I can't sit here in the 12 non-dynasty leagues that I'm in and
7:02say I'm not going to put any claims in or any bids in for these Dolphins running backs because anyone who gets
7:08work is valuable once the injuries hit and once the bye weeks hit, which begin in week five.
7:13There's value there. For sure. And I'm not saying that either.
7:16What I am saying is this is not the – if you have your – and the way that free agent budget
7:22works, typically you have your one big play a year you can make essentially.
7:26This is not my big play spend for the year by any means on either of these players.
7:31Is it even a 30% spend? Not for me.
7:34I want to save my budget for the big play.
7:36That's how I view it. I view FAB as a very interesting thing.
7:40I think you should be saving your budget most of the year and then making one big splurge when you feel it's right.
7:47And this is just not even close to reaching that radar for me with either of these two players.
7:52But if you want to say Brees Hall's out for four weeks, I'm okay with going that route for Braylon Allen because
7:58one, the Jets' offensive line has looked much better than the Dolphins.
8:01The Jets' scheme, despite everybody kind of crushing Frank Reich, has looked a lot better than this Bobby Slowick Dolphins scheme.
8:07And let's be honest, Geno Smith's playing pretty good football right now.
8:11I watch the games and he's pretty accurate. I agree.
8:14That's an offense that I think can actually score points.
8:16So that one to me is like maybe I only get him for four weeks versus the year with these Dolphins backs,
8:22but I'm actually getting real production during those four weeks.
8:25Yeah. It's just the thing is if you're in a league where, you know, a guy like Ray Davis is owned or,
8:31you know, rostered and will continue to be most likely, I mean, it could get dropped during bye weeks.
8:37That happens. You may not get that big splash play for Fab.
8:40You know, you may not have that opportunity. It's like Kalen Black.
8:44There's not a single league where Kalen Black is available, right?
8:47Like for me, for me, there is for a lot of people, but you just have to know what kind of leagues you're playing.
8:53And maybe these are the, some of the better opportunities you're going to get this year, but maybe not.
8:59You never know. All right. All right. That's the Dolphins situation.
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9:31Let's get into Denver and the Rams. Denver 30, Rams 26.
9:34Rams had the ball for 34 minutes and 29 seconds.
9:36They ran 82 plays and they came up short.
9:39And yeah, what were your big takeaways from, from this one, this thriller last night?
9:43It was a thrilling game, honestly. It was really fun to watch.
9:47You know, you see in my mind from the rant, let's start with the Rams side of the ball.
9:52You just see how productive that offense could be throughout this season when they're doing this without their first and let's say
9:58third option in the passing game, because that's what Terrence Ferguson was in week two.
10:02And that's what the plan was for him in week three before he got hurt.
10:06And so you're eliminating all these players. And then you see guys like Kanata Mumfield, who's got some hype, look great.
10:12And is he looking great? Or is Matthew Stafford just that good at football?
10:16I think Stafford at this point is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
10:21He's proven that week after week for both fantasy and real life because he's one of the best processors, top three in
10:27that regard, and still has top five arm talent.
10:29That combination will lead to things like this, like Higby coming up out of nowhere, and Mumfield coming up out of nowhere.
10:35Devontae Adams still proving to be the best value, you know, every year one of the best value in fantasy drafts on a per-game basis.
10:42This is a high-powered offense that can put up this amount of yards and points against a great Broncos defense in Denver
10:49despite losing its first and third options in the passing game.
10:52So to me, this is a locked-in unit for the rest of the season.
10:56The Broncos kind of having a weird season on that side of the ball, Adam.
11:00It's like they get off to these slow starts, and then they find their way, it almost seems like.
11:05Not through Waddle. After week two was through Waddle, this was a completely different game, different game plan.
11:10I think R.J. Harvey being back is a big part of their offense and will continue to be.
11:15He's essentially playing the joker role in Sean Payton's offense, and I know it's Davis Webb calling the plays, but it's still
11:22Sean Payton's offense, and that role is always going to be valuable.
11:25If he's going to continue to play that role, that's a PPR scam type of role with the option to occasionally break
11:31that into a random touchdown or a random big play.
11:34And that, to me, is more valuable than a lot of the running backs that we start at this point, especially on these dead zone teams.
11:41That don't really have, you know, you may get eight to ten more touches out of Judkins, but personally, I'd rather the touches I get from R.J.
11:49Harvey with the potential for actual touchdowns and explosive plays.
11:52So he's the one who stood out to me the most in that Broncos offense as something that I took away from the game.
11:58And then obviously outside of that, you have, I think that pretty much covers how I feel about the Rams and Broncos.
12:05I think it's a pretty easy game. A couple of easy teams to break down.
12:09Like you're going to start Kyron Williams every week, and even though he may not get, he did in this game, but
12:15look, Matthew Stafford threw 56 times in this game.
12:17So, or 55, pardon me. Anytime that happens, it's going to be an exciting day.
12:22For the Broncos, like Bo Nix, it's going to be kind of tough, I think, to predict.
12:26Thankfully, he did run three or four times in this game, design runs.
12:30I think he ran four design runs in this game, had only three coming in, had the rushing touchdown at the end,
12:36but he's still not running that much. And I, like, even though he had a huge game here against the Rams, I
12:42don't really consider him a must roster player. He's fine, but you know, whatever.
12:46Like Nix is, is fine. Again, Dobbins 19% started.
12:49I don't know if that's because he came into the game injured or it was facing the, the Rams are going to have an amazing run defense.
12:57I think that's seems pretty clear here. As long as Aaron Donald is playing.
13:00Yeah. I don't really want to start Dobbins if I can avoid it in PPR leagues, but non or half PPR, he
13:07should still get a lot of carries and he'll have better days than this.
13:11Waddle is interesting. We'll go to the Rams in a second, but like Jalen Waddle's had three terrible, three great games, one
13:17amazing, eight catches, 138 yards on 10 targets. And the other two, a combined three catches for 12 yards on 10 targets.
13:23He saw a decent amount of, of their top corner, McDuffie, pardon me, but I think when their other corner, Jalen Watson
13:29got hurt, I think that kind of stopped and they changed their scheme a little bit.
13:34But so it wasn't like last week, neighbors was shut down by McDuffie.
13:37Right. It was not that. I don't know exactly what the deal was with Jalen Waddle, but it was disappointing.
13:43However, if he's going to get seven targets, most weeks, I think he's going to be worth starting.
13:48I just, you know, I'm not a huge Waddle guy.
13:51I know you were, but I was preseason. Yeah.
13:53And it looked like in week two, we got some semblance of what the upside could be, but obviously now we see
13:59based on week three, there is still downside with this Waddle situation.
14:03I just think generally speaking, the problem with assuming Waddle could be what I hoped he would be in the preseason is
14:09that there's not a lot of rhythm to this Broncos passing game.
14:12There are big moments where they have like Bo Nix gun on design, roll out, and he makes a big throw, but
14:19there's just not a lot of rhythm. It's not a rhythmic passing game.
14:22The rhythmic passing games, the Rams, the Cowboys, the, the Bengals.
14:25These are the ones where I think you can project more week to week production, even with the volume, but you could
14:31get kind of what I would call empty volume.
14:34Like we got in this game of Jalen Waddle.
14:37Yeah. Yeah. It's a good point. I love that.
14:39It's a good call that they don't have any rhythm.
14:42I don't know that they have much of an identity.
14:45The Rams are awesome though, offensively. And yeah, they have rhythm.
14:48Devante Adams versus Sertan was so fun, but Adams clearly got the better of him.
14:52Seven catches, 137 yards on 13 targets. Look at this play for Terrence Ferguson, folks.
14:56This was in the first quarter and it's, and he's going, yo, Jacob and Dan are going to feel so validated if
15:02you throw this ball to me because he is streaking wide.
15:06I would have won my fantasy matchup. If he catches this pass.
15:09And I think I would have been not chopped in a guillotine league.
15:13If he just gets this. Oh really? Yeah. That's a 43 yard touchdown.
15:16If Matthew Stafford sees him, but he didn't see him.
15:19And he, he's a good player and I don't give up on him yet, but I do think look, Higby had a big game because Ferguson barely played.
15:27Yeah. Yeah. And Puka didn't play. But I, I hope there's, there's good days ahead for Ferguson.
15:32Cause he's an exciting player. I just don't know.
15:34I think that there's going to be some days where it's other tight ends.
15:38You know? I don't think you have to roster Ferguson.
15:41You also don't have to cut them. Let's see if Puka comes back first.
15:45It's not a guarantee that Puka comes back. All right.
15:48That's pretty much it. They're at Philadelphia next week.
15:50We'll see what they do. That's a tough stretch there of Denver and Philadelphia and back to back weeks, but they scored 26 points at Denver.
15:57News and notes. We'll, we'll take a break. We'll take a break here.
16:01Catch our breath. And I don't know. I'd love to hear a Jacob impression.
16:05You want to give that before break? After break?
16:08I'll do that when I present the stats that are just cherry picking from his Twitter.
16:12So I'm going to do my best. Okay. Okay.
16:15All right. We'll be right back on fantasy football today.
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17:12We are back. And Josh Allen, hopefully okay with the knee injury.
17:15We'll see. Got hit in the knee. Case Keenum expected to start tonight.
17:19So I don't think that Tyson patient is going to come and save the day.
17:23It's going to be most likely case Keenum against the Eagles.
17:26Baker Mayfield got good news. It's not a terribly long-term injury, but it is going to be at least three weeks as of right now.
17:33Oh, you saw three? Okay. I saw two to four.
17:36Okay. I think Todd Bowles said at least three weeks.
17:39Okay. All right. Let's throw it in the three-ish range.
17:41Dislocated thumb. So those are games against Green Bay at Dallas and Pittsburgh.
17:45Bryce Young limped off. We'll see if there's any issues there.
17:48And he came back, but I think maybe at less than 100%.
17:52And the Giants acquired J.J. McCarthy for a fifth-round pick in next year's drafts.
17:56What do you think about that? I talked about this a little bit on the Big Blue Banter Giants podcast.
18:01I'm personally for it, but I'm a gambler. And this is how I view things.
18:05To me, the fifth-round pick is just not a high opportunity cost.
18:09Throughout the last 25 years of my Giants fandom, the only fifth-round picks that have mattered have been David Deal and Kevin Boss.
18:15You can argue Darius Slayton and Tyron Tracy, but the reality is both were easily replaced for nothing.
18:20Najee Harris, a vet minimum deal for Tracy, and then Darnell Mooney, a borderline vet minimum deal for Slayton.
18:26And they're both more productive than those guys were.
18:28So the reality is they're almost giving up nothing from that standpoint, if you really truly look at the history.
18:34And the hope is that he fits the scheme better.
18:37He's only 24 years old. He can move. You can do all the things that you design for Jackson Dart with him
18:43better than you can with Jameis because he can actually move the pocket.
18:46He can run a little bit on zone read, and he can throw on the run better than Jameis.
18:52The third point is Jameis doesn't look right. Something looks off.
18:55He doesn't look like the player we saw against the Lions last year from an arm standpoint.
19:00I don't know what it is. It could just be it was bad weather and a small sample size.
19:05But at least now you have some insurance at the cost of a fifth-round pick.
19:09So from that standpoint, it's interesting. From a fantasy standpoint, I wouldn't look too much into this.
19:14I do think J.J. could play this year. If Jameis continues to play bad and they don't win games, he could play.
19:20I just don't think it will necessarily matter. The offense will look very much like the dart offense, but just without any upside to it.
19:27It'll just be a ball control type of offense.
19:30Yeah. As far as neighbors goes, we'll talk about him in a little bit.
19:34I don't want J.J. McCarthy to be the quarterback.
19:36For neighbors, it's very bad potentially. I mean, it would mean that Jameis has been so bad that he hasn't been good for neighbors probably.
19:43And then McCarthy's coming in. I'd rather just Jameis start playing better.
19:47It was really bad weather. I really think this is almost an end-of-the-line week for the Giants passing game.
19:52If they can't figure it out against the Cardinals this week, I'm going to have very little hope for them going forward.
19:58They'll have Washington the next week. The next two weeks, they've got to get something going in the right direction.
20:04It's getting late, early for the Giants passing game.
20:06I think we can talk. Are we going to talk neighbors now or later?
20:10No, we'll do it in just a bit. So the running back news, we got two A-chans hurt.
20:15Devon's out for the year. And Travis has the hamstring injury.
20:18The commander signed Austin. What about Jefferson? Did we get to him?
20:22No, not yet. Okay. The commander signed Austin Eckler, which is interesting because Rashad White left with a shoulder injury, but then I believe he came back.
20:29But we'll see if that is related in any way.
20:32Jadarian Price. Okay, this is an embarrassing thing for me.
20:35I did not see this, that he got benched for fumbling yesterday.
20:38Yes. I'm sitting there going, why was the snap count so low?
20:42Why did all these guys get all these plays?
20:44Bad fumble. I also think there was a play with Emmanuel Wilson, I think it was a first and goal, where he tried to bounce to the outside.
20:52And he got caught. And I just like, Jadarian Price probably scores on that play.
20:56This is so stupid. But they don't care. He fumbles the ball.
21:00I mean, he's made a lot of rookie mistakes already.
21:02And we're at the point now, Adam, where we're nearing the Charbonnet return.
21:06Yeah. Which could be really interesting for fantasy. If Price has another one of these fumbles that cost them, or at least
21:12in the mind of the coaching staff, potentially came close to costing them the game.
21:16It certainly flipped the momentum of that game at the time Price fumbled.
21:20It could be more of a one-man show than I think anyone's expecting, depending on how Charbonnet returns from this.
21:26Because it's not like there's limitations for these players when they come back from the ACL.
21:30There's oftentimes production misses, and they take a drop back from – or I'm sorry.
21:34They drop off from the standpoint of production. But from a playing time standpoint, you see a lot of these guys come
21:41back from the ACL and play their normal complement of snaps.
21:44And this is the second straight game with a fumble for Jadarian Price.
21:47So this is important for sure. Tajay Spears left with an ankle injury.
21:51He came back, but he's probably going to be on the injury report this week, Tajay Spears.
21:56Bucky Irving, Dave showed me a clip of his last snap where he got absolutely smashed in pass protection.
22:01And I'm wondering if Bucky Irving is hurt. That was early in the fourth quarter, and that was the last time he played.
22:08That's one to monitor. And Brees Hall again. We're not going to know until Wednesday, I think, on Brees Hall, unless some reporter leaks something.
22:15I don't know. But there's another player who is benched, it seems.
22:18That was Brian Thomas Jr. He played less than 40% of the snaps.
22:22He had a couple of drops the previous week.
22:24And the recap I read made it seem like he was sort of being punished for that.
22:29So it's hard for me to sit here and tell you to keep Brian Thomas Jr.
22:33on your team. We got Mike Evans leaving with the ribs injury.
22:37All right. What do you want to talk about with Justin Jefferson?
22:40He's got the ankle. No, I just want to see if there was an update yet on the ankle.
22:46After the game, KOC said that he could have potentially tried to come back in the game, was trying to.
22:51Maybe it's nothing serious. I don't know. But it was a close game, and they didn't try to bring him back in.
22:57So I'm definitely concerned on that one. Yeah. And hey, Jackson Dart once upon a time was supposed to come back in the game, right?
23:04Don't bring that back up. Xavier Hutchinson left with an injury, which I didn't realize.
23:09And Jalen Coker left in the third quarter with a quad injury.
23:12But he got good news. Coker got good news.
23:15He's going to be day to day. I really hope he plays this week against the Lions.
23:19You want to start everyone against the Lions. But after that, they have a bye.
23:24So I think with Coker probably looking at most, based on the report this morning, a one-week absence at most.
23:29We have Jack Besch with a broken arm, unfortunately.
23:32We have Tyreek Hill tweeting that it's almost time to get off the couch and get to work.
23:37All right, Tyreek Hill. You guys saw that. Yeah.
23:39Jalen McMillan got her. Where's he going? What's that?
23:42Where's he going? Chiefs. A lot of teams could use him.
23:45Chiefs will be fun, the way Mahomes is playing right now.
23:48And Garrett Wilson cleared of the concussion, so he's okay.
23:51Terrence Ferguson with the ankle injury. A lot of offensive line stuff here.
23:54Oh, yeah. Baltimore with their centers. New England lost right guard Greg Van Roten.
23:58After losing their right tackle last week. Yeah. We'll talk about that later on the four-tie.
24:03Did they lose their right tackle last week or their right guard last week?
24:07I was saying. He might have played. He might have been playing.
24:10He was their guard last year, but I thought he was playing right tackle for them this year because his low moon wasn't ready.
24:17Let me just take a look. I'm not exactly sure if he was playing right guard still for them or if he was moved to right tackle.
24:24No, you're right. He was their right guard. They still have Morgan Moses as right tackle.
24:29Okay. Yeah, no, I had said tackle as well, but then Dave corrected me.
24:33Yeah, it was the right guard. Carolina offensive guard Damian Lewis left with an elbow injury.
24:37And Carolina actually had some bad news too because not only did Damian Lewis leave, but they had Mike Jackson leave with a groin injury.
24:44And JC Horn, their star cornerback, is going – it seems like going to go on IR with a quad injury.
24:50You've got, let's see, Brian Burns out for the season.
24:53Did that look like a MetLife turf one? It's another one of these where after the game, John Harbour was like, I
24:59think we got lucky and we avoided the worst.
25:02All of a sudden, you hear the news the next day and he's out.
25:06This is two of the Giants' most four indispensable players out for the season in week three.
25:11So, brutal. I don't know if it's the turf.
25:13I don't know if it was a compensation injury.
25:16That happens sometimes when you're playing through an injury, but it's bad, man.
25:19Washington lost linebacker Leo Chennau for the season. It's a big one.
25:23And you look at it again, and the Cowboys are super beat up.
25:26And those three NFC East teams, the Giants, Cowboys, Commanders, are three teams that you want to stream against.
25:32Those look like great matchups. All right. I'll skip that.
25:34All right. Let's get into the snap counts and the routes and the tape and the topics.
25:39You want to start or do you want me to start?
25:42You can start. All right. Here's some stuff you need to know.
25:46Cam Scadaboo ran nine routes on third down. It was a terrible day for the Giants, but for Cam Scadaboo managers, you got great usage.
25:53For Omari and Hampton managers, you did not. This guy is, oof.
25:56There's a lot of red flags here for Hampton.
25:59Now, he still gets a ton of carries, and he gets a lot of work near the goal line, and he could score.
26:05But he played 42% of the snaps. He ran 16% of the routes.
26:09He has three targets in three games, Omari and Hampton.
26:12And his route participation rate was about 30% each of the first two weeks.
26:15It was 16% yesterday. Maybe it's going to be more like 30%, but they're not using him in the passing game.
26:21Omari and Hampton is trouble right now, and he likes to run up the middle, and guess what?
26:26They're facing the Seahawks, and I watched what the Seahawks did this morning.
26:30This morning, I watched the tape of what they did to the commander's interior offensive line, and they ripped it apart.
26:36And I am not excited about Omari and Hampton this week against Seattle or week four.
26:41Yeah. Now, you have three running backs who took advantage of injuries and played at least 80% of the snaps, which is a massive number.
26:48By comparison, Jameer Gibbs played 69% of the snaps.
26:50Chuba Hubbard, Aaron Jones, and Jalen Warren all played at least 80% of the snaps.
26:54Warren played 90%. It's hard to get away from that usage.
26:57Not a great week for David Montgomery, but I think, look, I wouldn't buy low or anything, but I wouldn't panic on Montgomery.
27:04He's going to be an up-and-down player. He's still, unless they just start giving Woody Marks more snaps.
27:09But right now, Montgomery ran more routes, played two-thirds of the snaps.
27:12Woody Marks played about a third of the snaps.
27:15It was the goal line stuff that was really annoying.
27:18Zay Flowers played one-third of the snaps and had more than 100 total yards.
27:22It was insane how good he was. And Ramondre Stevenson played more snaps than Travion Henderson.
27:26All right, you're up, Dan. Okay, so I'm not going to do a Jacob impression.
27:30Shout-out Jacob Gibbs. I don't think I have it in me today.
27:34I need to practice. But I'll take some of the awesome stats that he's put out there, and then I'll combine with
27:40some of these other stats that I've found. So the first one I thought was really interesting that he put out there
27:46was Tyler Warren had 10 targets and a 29% target share.
27:49You think about what this Colts offense is going to look like post-Alec Pierce.
27:53And this is what you want if you drafted Tyler Warren.
27:56You want it to look more like they're trying to get him involved as a key cog in their passing game versus
28:02what it looked like a lot last season and the first two weeks, which was just kind of those gimmicky plays, those design plays for Warren.
28:10You don't want it to all be design plays.
28:12You want it to be like this. So I thought that was very good for him.
28:17Another player that you've hinted on but had a breakout week three that needs to be discussed, Michael Wilson.
28:22There was talk last week from Jacoby Brissett. He said, why are you guys keep asking me questions about Marvin Harrison Jr.
28:28when we just re-signed Michael Wilson and it's not happening with him either?
28:32Well, it seems like there might be a little bit of a better connection there with Wilson and Brissett than there is Marvin Harrison Jr.
28:3934% target share for Wilson in week three, 50% air yardage share, and he was the wide receiver four in fantasy.
28:45So that's really important and really interesting. He could be a guy moving forward.
28:49We saw it last season. He was basically a league winner off waivers.
28:52Maybe he does emerge again as this every week player at wide receiver.
28:56Josh Downs, Jacob Gibbs' favorite. My favorite too on film, but I never loved him as much for fantasy.
29:01A little bit riskier there. Well, he had 172 air yards in week three.
29:05His previous career high was 111. It's clear that the new role they have for Downs is not just going to be
29:11this whip route role where you just throw him the Wandel Robinson type routes around the line of scrimmage.
29:17They're using him in different ways, and they pretty much have to.
29:20With Alec Pierce injured, they have to find a way to generate more explosive intermediate and vertical plays with what they have
29:26on offense, and it's a good sign that right away it was Josh Downs.
29:30That really excites me. A few other things I thought were interesting about week three.
29:34Drake London, really good news for Drake London. Throughout the first two weeks, Jacob and I discussed this a bunch on Beyond the Box Score.
29:41Adam, it was like, uh-oh. He lost his coaching staff.
29:44He lost Zach Robinson. Are they just going to line him up at X and have him run routes from there?
29:50No, that wasn't the case in week three. Tommy Reese, new offensive coordinator, started to get him moving.
29:55He had 10 routes as the X split end, nine at Z, and then seven from the slot.
30:00So they moved him around. They used him in three different roles, and they basically used him in a way like we
30:07saw last season during the Michael Penix era, which was essentially the focal point of the passing game completely.
30:12I'm very excited about Drake London moving forward as long as Michael Penix is the quarterback.
30:16The minute Penix gets hurt or gets moved back out, it's like a total drop-off in what you can expect from this guy.
30:23It's insane. His splits with him without Penix over the last two seasons, obviously this season being a small sample size, are absolutely nuts.
30:30The Packers had an interesting breakdown that I wanted to use.
30:33You saw the biggest opportunity for Caleb Johnson that he's had so far since being traded to the Packers, 47% opportunity share,
30:3927% route share, which was interesting, and 40% of the total running back snaps.
30:43That could be a change we see moving forward with the Packers leaning more into Caleb Johnson.
30:48Not sure it will matter because their offensive line is so bad that I'm just not— And you've got the Josh Jacobs.
30:54Like, Josh Jacobs could come back. I'd rather have a Dolphins running back than Caleb Johnson.
30:58Okay. But I think you're right for bringing it up.
31:01Yeah, and I think that's completely fair because, generally speaking, I have little to no faith in their offensive line, and I think that's the biggest problem.
31:09I think if you're a Chase Brown manager, Adam, you're probably pissed about how the start of the season has gone.
31:15Like, what the heck is happening? But I think it's coming, man, because he still had a 70—even this week against the
31:21Pittsburgh Steelers, he still had a 75% opportunity share, 62.5% route share, which is really good if you look across the NFL,
31:27and then almost 90% of the two-minute running back snaps.
31:30They don't take him out in those two-minute drills.
31:32I just feel like the pace and the game script hasn't been exactly what you want here, but the TDs are going to come.
31:39And so I think when you look at that route share being as high as it is and the involvement overall, you
31:45just look at him as somebody who needs the touchdowns to kind of pay back some of the value you invested in, and I think it'll be there.
31:53You mentioned Chuba Hubbard. Still amazing stuff for him from an opportunity standpoint, even though he didn't have as good a game.
31:59He's one of the true bell cows right now in the NFL, 82% opportunity share, 70.6% route share, and all of the
32:05two-minute running back snaps, 80% of the third-down work, and 90% of the overall pass-catching work at running back for Chuba Hubbard.
32:12And shout-out Zane Dahani for these numbers, by the way.
32:14Okay, yeah, he scored 15 fantasy points, Chuba Hubbard, so if that's a bad day, you know, you're going to take— I
32:21think it's a bad day for him at this point, honestly.
32:24Yeah. That's how good of—this is a true workhorse back at this point, Chuba Hubbard.
32:28It's crazy to say we're here, but like you mentioned earlier with the discouraging splits with the Marion Hampton, we're at a
32:34point where, like, somehow Chuba Hubbard might be a better weekly play than a player like him.
32:39Oh, 100%. I mean, I'm certainly— Which is crazy, but, like, yeah.
32:42I mean, there's just not that many guys getting this kind of role.
32:46The last one I wanted to touch on was just—and this is, again, shout-out Zane Dahani for these numbers.
32:51The last one I want to touch on was the Patriots backfield because everybody was kind of asking us about that this week after last week's switch-up.
32:59I still think it's going to be hard to predict, Adam.
33:02We had Ramondre with 52.6% opportunity share, Henderson 47.4.
33:04Ramondre with a higher route share, one rush inside the 10-yard line, 80% of the two-minute drills.
33:09So it does still feel like you're probably making a better bet with Ramondre from an opportunity standpoint, from a playing time standpoint, and from a volume standpoint.
33:17But at the same time, I almost still feel better starting Henderson on a weekly basis because he could actually break off
33:23an explosive run and change the whole—and just win you the week based on that.
33:27I don't necessarily feel that way with Stevenson. I will say this, having watched this Patriots offense on tape this week to
33:34prepare for our question about Drake May, I don't feel overly confident at all about having anyone on that offense this season,
33:40which is crazy because last season it was such a point factory.
33:43Their offensive line is in a really bad standpoint.
33:46When these teams start—when this starts to happen, I talked about this earlier with the Packers and now with the Patriots, you
33:52start to see these breakdowns on the offensive line, an injury here, an injury there, for a team that just simply can't
33:58afford it from a depth standpoint, and those two teams qualify.
34:01You can start to see some real breakdowns from an offensive standpoint.
34:05I think we're headed there with Patriots. I think we're already there with the Packers.
34:09I've got a—you know, I've got an issue, I guess, with a lot of the offensive line talk is I do feel like we—I do it too.
34:16Looking at the Chargers, for example, I mean, the Chargers offensive line is the worst that I've seen.
34:21Obviously, I haven't seen that much, but it's—to me, it's worse than the Packers.
34:25It's embarrassing. Not to me. Okay, maybe the Packers, but it's definitely worse than the Patriots—at least the Patriots' pass protection.
34:31I didn't watch the runs. I watched the dropbacks for Drake May, and I didn't think the offensive line was the issue.
34:37I just thought, like, there's no talent on this team, and they don't get open at all.
34:42And there were a couple of plays that could have been touchdowns, which we'll show a little bit later for Drake May.
34:48Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I feel like we explain away a lot of issues by just saying offensive
34:55line, but usually there's something deeper there. And with the Patriots, they just—they have one of the worst receiving cores in football.
35:01There is no getting around— No one gets separation, yeah.
35:04No one. And Drake May is making really bad decisions, too.
35:07I think maybe he's getting a little impatient. You know what?
35:10Forget it. Let's just go. I know it's a big topic.
35:13We can talk about it right now. Let's look at this couple of plays.
35:17Yeah. There's actually one screenshot. Here's DeMario Douglas streaking wide open.
35:20He's going, ooh! And then he's going, gah! But that's—you know, that to me is also partly a receiver problem.
35:25This guy's 5'6", or whatever, 7'8", and he doesn't have a wingspan to make this ball.
35:30Like, just hits the tip. Same thing with the Hollins catch, like the red zone throw to Collins.
35:35I thought that was a pretty good throw on the move by May, but just doesn't have the receiver who can make that play.
35:42And then did you see the Kyle Williams play?
35:44Yes. I mean, Kyle Williams should have had a touchdown.
35:47He's just stepped out of bounds. I mean, inexplicably, he just—he hit the sideline.
35:51Pulled a Xavier worthy. You can't do that. Yeah.
35:54So, yeah, again, it's kind of what we did with the Chargers last week.
35:58Could have been this, could have been that. It could have been a two-touchdown day for Drake May if things went right.
36:04But that's it. That's all it could have been.
36:06I mean, it wasn't like there were a ton of opportunities out there.
36:10He didn't throw that many passes. He threw a terrible interception in the end zone.
36:14Terrible. He threw another really bad interception to a guy that was just blanketed in coverage.
36:19And I'm thinking, go, man, he just must be so frustrated because no one's open.
36:23No one is open. And, you know, I looked at—like, I watched the Steelers game last week against the Patriots to try to see what is going on.
36:31And they faced a really good defense. They faced New England, and no one was open.
36:35And I'm not surprised they had a better game against the Bengals.
36:39I think the Bengals are probably going to have a good run defense.
36:42I'm not sure about their pass defense. You got to—and the Jaguars are good.
36:46Like, Jaguars, I think, have a solid defense. So the Patriots really stunk here.
36:50But they might have more games like that. And that is like, you know, unless you watch the tape, you can't really diagnose it.
36:57But that was my takeaway for Drake May. I think he's droppable.
37:00You know, he's making bad decisions. He has a 7.5% interception rate, which is insane.
37:04But does he have easier matchups? He's got Buffalo, Las Vegas, the Jets, and the Bears, and the Dolphins coming up.
37:10These are, for the most part, they're pretty damn good matchups.
37:13I mean, maybe not great, but these are matchups that you want.
37:17Whereas, like, Herbert has horrible matchups, and it's easy to drop him.
37:20What do you think? Should we drop Drake May or hang on?
37:24Well, part of it is also, like, the scrambling has gone down to an extent.
37:28He's not getting as many points with the running, which I think will actually go up.
37:32Because I felt a little bit differently from watching the tape.
37:35The ultimate, I just got done with it about the O-line.
37:38I thought there were plenty of moments where the offensive line had immediate breakdowns, and May had to immediately step off his landmark.
37:45But isn't that, like, every offensive line? We can't expect offensive.
37:48All right. I feel like. It's just not. It's just simply not.
37:51Like, you watch the Rams last night. You watch the Broncos last night.
37:55I saw them under pressure quite a bit. I mean, 55.
37:58Not to the extent of, like, the immediate pressure that puts you off your landmark.
38:02Like, Stafford's throwing 55 times a game. A lot of those times it's from the landmark he plants on and tries to throw from within the pocket.
38:10Like, right away. Like, that's. And it kills the timing.
38:13And that happened a bunch of times with May.
38:15But it's not all the offensive line. It's not even close to.
38:19I would say 30% O-line. 60%, you know, let's say 30 O-line last game from the tape.
38:2340% wide receivers not getting open. And then a good, you know, 30% was Drake May.
38:28Just. And I don't even want to say it's like.
38:31Because he had one throw to Demario Douglas. I think it was a 38-yarder in the second quarter.
38:36Where he. He. He plants at the right. He plants from the right hash mark.
38:40And throws a field side throw opposite hash mark.
38:42Dimes it in between two coverage guys. To Demario Douglas.
38:45And it's like. That's the Drake May I saw all of last year.
38:49But then he also has the decisions that you're talking about that are bad.
38:53Both interceptions. The one in the end zone was inexplicable.
38:56The other one he tries to throw, like, a comeback route.
38:59But like you said. He was blanketed in coverage.
39:01And the corner had. Had leverage on the. On the receivers.
39:04To the point where you shouldn't be making that throw.
39:07Decision making is really bad. He'd also watch the pass rush multiple times I saw.
39:11Which is bad. That's. When you know you start to not trust your offensive line.
39:16It kind of screws up the whole timing. And the rhythm of the passing game.
39:20So. I think there's everything going wrong there. The receivers don't get open.
39:24Drake May is not playing as confidently. And the.
39:26I think the offensive line was paying bad. So.
39:29Is it droppable? Yeah. Probably. Because. Where are we getting the points from with May?
39:33If he's not scrambling as much and getting as many points off the ground.
39:37And there's not as many receivers. With the ability to make explosive plays in this offense.
39:41There's just not going to be a lot of touchdown opportunities.
39:44Okay. Well. It's. It would be an easier call if I didn't like some of the upcoming matchups.
39:49But. Yeah. The personnel is just not that good right now.
39:52So. Look. You got. You can't be taking. Bad games from your quarterback.
39:56Like. There's just too many damn good quarterbacks right now.
39:59You can't. And it depends on your league. Right?
40:01Like you have a big bench. Where you can just bench May.
40:05Yeah. Of course. Then you never cut him. But if you're in one of these leagues.
40:09Like four or five bench spots. And one quarterback starts every week.
40:13It's probably okay to cut him. Right now. Because you're getting more production.
40:16Even from like a Geno Smith. Off your waiver wire.
40:19Okay. We're going to take a break. Do a little bit more.
40:23In terms of. I want to tell you about some of the interesting route.
40:26Participation rates. Yeah. And then we definitely have to talk about the Raiders.
40:30You already talked about Michael Wilson. But I've got a few more stats on Michael Wilson.
40:35I'd like to drop on you. And we'll be right back on FFT.
40:38Okay. Okay. Some noteworthy route participation rates. Casey Concepcion.
40:4195%. Pretty good. 65% in week one. 74% in week two.
40:44He ran 95% of the routes in week three.
40:46That's Casey Concepcion. How about these tight ends who ran 89% or more of the routes?
40:51Brock Bowers. Isaiah Likely. And George Kittle. Who's your tight end one rest of season?
40:55Oh. Tight end one rest of season? How could it not be Brock Bowers?
40:59I mean, this is what I had to argue with last night.
41:02I just don't understand what Trey McBride has to do to get the respect he deserves.
41:07You would trade Brock Bowers for Trey McBride right now if you had that opportunity?
41:11I would. Wow. You would. Do you? Oh, wow.
41:14Okay. So that's just. Maybe that's. You know, maybe that could just be how we view it differently.
41:19Like McBride's a safer bet, I suppose. Trey McBride.
41:21But Bowers can win you a league. The way they use Bowers.
41:25Trey McBride can't win you a league? Not to the extent where Bowers can.
41:29Not even close. I mean, Trey McBride. Trey McBride was a league winner like no.
41:33Like basically we've never seen before last year. Yeah.
41:35With volume that was never seen before. He's got.
41:38600. He's got 34 targets in three games. He's getting more targets now than he got last year.
41:43He ran more routes. A hundred more routes in the next tight end last season.
41:47He's getting more targets. Marvin Harrison Jr. Is invisible.
41:50He's getting more targets this year than he got last year.
41:53And the year before. I mean, the volume is there for training.
41:56Volume has no chance of reaching what it did last season where he ran a hundred more routes than any other tight end.
42:03I bet you his target per route run rate is higher than it was last.
42:07It may be, but it's not about that. If he's not running the same amount of routes from a volume standpoint, which
42:13is impossible because it broke a record. And it was based on, you know, the volume that the Cardinals played with last
42:19season, the pace, the fact that they were out of all these games and they were playing crazy catch up, which isn't
42:25happening so far to the first three games. And yet, and it probably will start happening by the way.
42:31And yet Trey McBride has 34 targets. He has eight or more catches in every game.
42:35I mean, he's a, he's, he's definitely the tight end too.
42:38That's clear. Um, I just think Bowers, the way they used him was, was spectacular.
42:43Last game. I just saw a breakdown of from Ben Solak.
42:46He basically wasn't even used as a tight end.
42:48He was split out as an X. He was used as the big slot.
42:52It was everything you hoped he would be with Kubiak.
42:55It was what we hoped he would be last season, but with an actual coach who knows how to coach football.
43:01And he was a total mismatch in every single sense of the way he ran a back shoulder with cousins outside as an X.
43:08They used him in the red zone to almost had a two touchdowns in the red zone should add two touchdowns in a red zone.
43:15Cousins last year proved he knows how to use these tight ends.
43:18And then this year cousins arm looks way better.
43:20Like just simply put his shoulder looks completely healed.
43:23He's throwing the football. Well, I think he's a better timing quarterback than Jacoby or set.
43:27I think he's a more accurate quarterback than Jacoby Brissett.
43:30And I think if Bauer stays healthy, he's going to be one of the three or four.
43:35Like, how could you not think he's going to be one of those valuable players in fantasy football after what we saw?
43:41I didn't say that. I just think Trey McBride's better.
43:44I would just take Bauer over him. Because of the safety, maybe.
43:47And that's fair. I don't think it's just safety for Trey McBride.
43:51I think Trey McBride is, again, he's... He can't have the upside of a Bauer's, you don't think?
43:56I don't understand that. I think he's going to get more targets than Brock Bauer's.
44:00I don't... How? Because he's got 34 targets in three games.
44:03And last year, he averaged like 10 targets per game.
44:06I don't know. But they used Bauer as like a total focal point mismatch receiver in this offense.
44:11He was basically just used as a receiver yesterday.
44:14I don't know that that's necessarily a good thing.
44:16I mean, we've seen like Kyle Pitts struggle a little bit in that regard.
44:20And then they finally made him more of a tight end and gave him a lower ADOT.
44:25Like Bauer's made some incredible catches yesterday. And I think, you know, he's so good.
44:29And he's definitely... They're definitely tight ends one and two.
44:32But I don't know. The chat thinks a side bet might be brewing.
44:35Is your side bet with Heath dead at this point due to all the injuries and crap?
44:40No. It's fully... What is it based on a per game basis?
44:44I think to win the bet, your guy has to win full season and per game.
44:48Okay. I will do a McBride-Bauer's bet if you want.
44:51Yeah. Okay. Fine. I'm not growing any beard here or anything.
44:54I got my... You know, I'm going to trim my unibrow and all that stuff.
44:58What could we do? What could we do for the listeners?
45:01That would be fun. We have to think of something.
45:04I don't know. By the way, I'm doing a Twitter poll as we speak.
45:08And Brock Bowers is 58% of the vote. All right.
45:11Let us know in the comments. What Adam and I Need to Bet On Here that will be funny for you guys.
45:17And Adam will accept it because you know Adam doesn't like accepting these things.
45:21Everyone remembers the line in the head where his wife had an important phone call somehow at 9.
45:26Which, by the way, this pisses me off so much.
45:29The gall that you have to bring this up.
45:31When you actually met her in person and asked her about it.
45:35She's such a lovely person too. She confirmed it to you.
45:38She confirmed it. All of this is true. Are you calling her a liar?
45:42Go ahead. Say she's a liar. No. That's the type of person who would never lie.
45:46I can just read that offer from one meeting.
45:49The only thing is, you're right. There's no real way around this.
45:52I thought maybe you set her up like, hey, Dan's going to ask you a question because you know me so well.
45:58He's going to ask you about this. Can you just say that you had an important – it just seems so weird that at 9.30 p.m.
46:06She would have an important phone call where she couldn't come in.
46:09Why? I don't know who has an important call.
46:12I don't know. I just feel like I've never had an important phone call at 9.30 p.m.
46:16But maybe other – Wife cannot testify against – True.
46:19Good point, actually. Good point by Thomas here. All right.
46:22We got to get back to this stupid show.
46:25I will do a Bowers-McBride with you, though, if we can think of something.
46:28Because on a per-game basis, I'd be shocked if McBride can outscore Bowers.
46:32You'd be shocked if McBride – Shocked. Okay. The way they used Bowers yesterday, shocked.
46:36And the way they use McBride is just what?
46:39Like he just stinks? No. He's the tight end, too.
46:42He's the next best guy. All right. More route stuff.
46:44Malik Nabors only ran 77% of the route. He is not – like you want receivers to be running 90% of the routes.
46:51He hasn't been there yet. DJ Moore, 74.2%. Like to see that a little higher.
46:55Stefan Diggs, 77%. That's a good thing. Okay. Let's talk about Neighbors and anyone else you watched on tape.
47:00But what did you see from Neighbors who had five catches for 26 yards against the Titans?
47:05That is six catches for 27 yards in the last two games combined.
47:09Sure. So, a few things on Neighbors' front. There was the play where I finally saw it from a really throwback to
47:15Brian D'Abel, Neighbors' rookie 2024 season where it's essentially a play designed to clear out space and get Neighbors to cut underneath,
47:21catch the football, and have a runway. And he was this close to housing it.
47:26And I saw that initial burst and I was like, this is the closest thing I've seen to Neighbors this year.
47:31Other than that, there were a lot of clear out routes with Neighbors.
47:35And then there were a lot of moments – Nick and I talked about this early in the game where Neighbors did
47:41one of these to Jameis because he got open twice on third downs with great releases off the line of scrimmage.
47:47Jameis didn't either see him, didn't think to go to him, and Neighbors started to do this, which we hadn't seen in a while.
47:54It's a bad sign. I think it's part of why the Giants made a trade for McCarthy, to be honest.
48:00We'll see how that progresses. But right away after that, you can see Jameis went to him twice, but they were both really short routes.
48:07This is a hard game to judge on, Adam, because the Giants really – and I mean truly – this is one
48:13of the most conservative game plans I've ever seen run by a Giants team since the Joe Judge era, where they famously
48:19ran the ball to the victory formation on third and nine, which got Joe Judge fired almost immediately.
48:24But I don't want to take too much from it, but at the same time, it's hard to get enthused about Neighbors
48:30with the current Giants quarterback situation and with the way that they're trying to win football games because this is a game
48:36plan that, yes, was partly in place because of the weather.
48:39But I think going in, this is kind of what they wanted to do because on the first possession, Jameis Winston almost threw a pick six.
48:47He was very lucky to not. He basically made his mind up that he was throwing a Beckham on an in cut,
48:53and he was this close to being intercepted by Hooker, pick six on the play.
48:57So I don't know how aggressive they're going to be without Dart in at quarterback, which really will impact Neighbors, but he looks fine to me.
49:04The releases off the line of scrimmage look great, and the bursts look great on that one play.
49:09So I don't think he's injured or anything like that.
49:12I just don't love the situation for Neighbors. Tell me if you agree with this.
49:17I thought he looked really fast. Like, yes, like you said, burst speed good.
49:20I haven't seen a lot of those really sharp cuts and breaks on his routes to get him open.
49:26I'm not seeing those types of moves. I don't know.
49:29Maybe if it's a knee thing or not. I haven't really seen him run any in cuts.
49:33I guess that's part of it. Like, the routes that he was running were clear out space routes, stop routes.
49:39He ran – I'll say this. On that route I was talking about where he had that burst post-catch, I think it
49:45was a 10-yard game, but it was close to going for the house.
49:49He did have to sharp – he had – on his release off the line of scrimmage, he had to make a
49:55sharp – he had to sell the vert and then make a sharp cut to kind of, I guess, create that separation.
50:01But you're right. It hasn't been a lot of deep in cuts.
50:05It hasn't been a lot – there was no slants or anything like that so far.
50:09So it is something to keep an eye on.
50:12All right. It's not great. Like I said, it's got to happen pretty soon if we're going to have confidence in Malik Neighbors.
50:18I'm basically going to start him this week, but the Cardinals are giving up third most fantasy points, fourth most fantasy points to receivers.
50:25The Commanders the following week are giving up the most points.
50:28Then the Saints are 12th. And then believe it or not, Houston is 31st against wide receivers, and I'm not going to buy that.
50:35So we'll give him a little more leeway, I guess.
50:37I know we get a lot of questions about the Chargers.
50:41I don't want to bring up the Chargers every week, but Ladd McConkie, you know, there's something I don't like about the Ladd McConkie profile right now.
50:48And these things can change, but through three games, his average route depth is way up.
50:53He's playing in the slot a lot less. And if you look at his yards per out run, Ladd McConkie, in all
50:59three of his seasons, including this short one here, it's better out wide every year than it is in the slot.
51:05However, you know, I guess there's a little bit difference like when you're not out, when you're out wide 35% of the
51:11time compared to 65% of the time, whatever. But his slot rate is 28.6%.
51:15Or it was 28.6% this past week. It was 56% week one, 39% week two, 28.6% in week three.
51:20So weird usage there. But this is not a guy that I think should be running downfield this much, especially when the
51:26offensive line is so bad and Justin Herbert doesn't really have time for these plays to develop.
51:31So I like for them to get easier plays for him.
51:34And last season, Ladd McConkie had 44 targets of five or fewer air yards.
51:38This year he has one. So it's just like, it's not working.
51:42I hate this role. You know, it's like, it could work.
51:45It works. Okay. Example would be Devante Smith. Devante Smith has had a higher average route depth.
51:49He's more of a downfield guy struggled in week one, huge week two, but a lot of big plays, a lot of areas.
51:56How you're not going to get a lot of that with this crap chargers offense.
52:00So I think they got to manufacture easier touches for McConkie until they do that.
52:04It's a little scary. Yeah, I think you're a hundred percent right.
52:08And I think that that offense is scary to say the least.
52:11It's not fitting well for Herbert at all, which is crazy with McDaniel.
52:15I think I thought I'd see more of like the old McDaniel offense when he had Waddle and Tyreek, not what we
52:21got in recent years when he had the dead arm Tua who couldn't, you know, he couldn't trust to drop back.
52:27Is it because they don't trust the offensive line to hold up?
52:30Maybe, but everything seems a bad from a procedural standpoint.
52:33They take a ton of pre-snap penalties, this chargers offense, and they have a ton of around the line of scrimmage stuff where the timing is just off.
52:41The blocking is not there and it just doesn't work, but B, like you're taking, it reminds me of like what happened with Herbert at Oregon.
52:48And I forget who their coach is. It might've been your coach from Miami.
52:52I think it was your coach, Cristobal. Did he coach him?
52:55Pretty sure it was. All right. I mean, pretty sure Cristobal coached him.
52:59No, it wasn't Chip Kelly's offense. Oh yeah, it probably was Cristobal.
53:02I think it was Cristobal. I don't remember who the OC was, but everything was horizontal.
53:07And that's kind of why he fell to six overall.
53:10And he's a vertical quarterback and maybe they don't trust the offensive line.
53:13They can't. That's the thing. Like McConkie is a vertical receiver right now, but I don't think he can be with this.
53:19I look at it. I'm saying every single week it's going to be bad, but it's harder with this line, dude.
53:25It looks bad. I mean for McConkie. Oh yeah.
53:28Yeah. Yeah. Every week it's probably going to be bad for the chargers.
53:31It's really bad. This is the offense I'm most wrong about for this season.
53:35It's really disappointing. Um, Seattle, Denver chiefs by Rams, Texans, Ravens.
53:38That's does not, that's not instill confidence. The schedule is ridiculously hard.
53:42How about Rasheed Rice? I watched Rasheed Rice and I'd love for you to take a look at some point.
53:47And I'd love to know what you think on Rasheed Rice.
53:51I thought in the first quarter, maybe the first half, he looked really good.
53:54He looked fast again. They gave him a screen pass, which they haven't really been doing much.
53:59I thought in the second half, he looks super slow again.
54:02Like not super slow, not super slow, but it almost looked like he was laboring out there.
54:07And then I, again, I went back and I watched some, just a few plays of his catches from last year and
54:13some of the moves he was making and hopping around and it just Rasheed Rice.
54:18I didn't see that in the second half of this game, but I think maybe we're getting some progress where it's getting better every week.
54:25That's my hope. Rasheed Rice had seven catches for 88 yards on nine targets.
54:28No other player had more than three targets for the chiefs.
54:32He had a 34 yard catch in the fourth quarter where he was wide open.
54:36And then the next play was a little bit more vintage Rice.
54:39It was a 15 yard catch and run on a line.
54:42I think it was a linebacker, but yeah, I mean, I was hoping for more and I saw it at the beginning
54:48and I, he did not sustain that throughout the game.
54:51So we'd love to hear what you guys think later in the week on beyond the box score.
54:56Yeah. We'll take a look at Rice. That's a big one that, that, um, Jacob has discussed.
55:01I haven't had a chance to watch his tape from yesterday though.
55:04All right. And not time now for our three big topics.
55:08We already covered Drake may, we covered Michael Wilson a little bit.
55:11I'll just add this for Michael Wilson. Um, you know, look, Jacoby Brissett, 52 pass attempts.
55:15So that's 17 targets for Michael Wilson. His target share.
55:18However, the last two weeks has been 27% or better, which is great.
55:22You know, we could be getting a little ahead of ourselves.
55:25Like if we call him a must start, I'm going to start him this week against the giants, but he didn't have
55:31any red zone, green zone or end zone targets in the first two weeks.
55:35This week he had five red zone targets, two green zone, four end zone targets.
55:39He also caught Michael Wilson caught three screen passes.
55:42And I love, you can hear me say it a lot.
55:45I love it. They're cheap fantasy points. Those three screen passes were probably about five fantasy points for you.
55:50He caught three screen passes in this game. He caught two last season.
55:54So that's not a thing we usually get from him.
55:57I'd love for them to start giving him more layups like that.
56:00Um, but listen, Arizona had the ball for more than 37 minutes and two of their three games so far.
56:06That's not sustainable. Like I said, the screen passes were kind of a pleasant surprise.
56:10I'm not sure if we have a must start.
56:12I don't think we have a must start guy, Michael Wilson, but as I wouldn't rule it out, Dan gave some really encouraging stuff.
56:19I know Jacobson's encouraged by it. At least, at least you can feel good about a late round pick here.
56:25Like you got an asset here in Michael Wilson and he's had seven or more targets in every game.
56:30Right. Let's talk about the Raiders to finish the show.
56:33Yeah. Again, 26 points or more in all three games.
56:36They did not do that one time in regulation last year.
56:39They're eighth in points per game. They're only 22nd in yards per play.
56:43They were 14th in yards per play yesterday, including the Thursday game.
56:46And that was their only game with Bowers. Most important thing for them.
56:50They're first in pace. They're the fastest team in football right now, which is a little weird because last year Kubiak and the Seahawks were 22nd in pace.
56:57Some red flags, Dan, 28th in big play rate.
57:00The teams with a lower big play rate than this Raiders team, Cardinals, Browns, Giants, Bucks.
57:04Now the Cowboys are one spot ahead of them.
57:07So that's good, I guess. But for the most part, teams in the bottom 10 in big play rate are not good offenses.
57:13The teams that are currently bottom 10. They're middle of the pack in red zone efficiency.
57:18They're fifth worst in goal to go efficiency. The schedule is about to get a little tougher, I think.
57:23Chiefs, Patriots, Bills, Rams. But all that said, they're not doing well in the red zone.
57:28They're not making big plays. They're not doing well in the goal to go.
57:32And they're eighth in points per game. So they must be doing something right.
57:36What do you think about the Raiders? Yeah, we talked a little bit about it with Bowers.
57:40But I think to start the show, the most important thing about this offense is what you said.
57:45The pace is up. And maybe that's in part because they're still kind of feeling like they're developing this offensive line out a little bit.
57:53And there's new faces. But their offensive line is playing well within this structure, within the pace.
57:57And I think part of that is just getting these matchups for Bowers.
58:01That's what it looked like to me when I watched them.
58:04The whole offensive design was to get Bowers in a matchup where he could win.
58:08And that happened over and over and over again.
58:11I'll say this. He's taken a lot of crap.
58:13But I think Kirk Cousins is playing phenomenal football right now.
58:16In my mind, he throws with better anticipation than just about all but like 10 quarterbacks.
58:21And it's probably like five, to be honest, when it comes to timing, rhythm, getting the ball out on time.
58:27And then accurately, he had issues in Atlanta where, and I heard about this, where his shoulder surge, like he had a
58:33shoulder injury that really impacted how he drove the football and threw the football.
58:37And he was not a quarterback that could afford to give up any velocity because he doesn't have that much to begin with.
58:43But right now, the arm looks pretty good. And maybe that's combined with him seeing it well, being coached by somebody like
58:49Kubiakou again, took Sam Darnold and, in my opinion, had him playing even better football than Kevin O'Connell had him playing.
58:55Different football, but better football. He won the Super Bowl with him.
58:59And it's similar in this regard to how they're running the offense through Bowers, just like it was through JSN.
59:04And that helps for a quarterback like Cousins to have things to find.
59:08I even saw moments where they were using Bowers as a great option to clear out space to then hit Mayer underneath.
59:14And this two tight end set is really working well for them, this 12 personnel grouping.
59:19Cousins playing great football right now. There's just no other way to like say it.
59:23If you watch the tape, he's throwing on time.
59:25He's throwing accurately. He's seeing the field really well.
59:28And he's playing within this scheme really well. So maybe it'll change in tougher matchups.
59:32I don't know. They have the Chiefs coming up, right?
59:35That's going to be a difficult matchup against Spax.
59:37He's going to blitz them. He's going to play press man.
59:40And we'll see if it'll work out. But certainly, everything you've seen so far should have you excited about the state of this Raiders offense, except for Gentry.
59:48That's my take. Yes, let's talk about that, right?
59:51Because just to put a bow on the passing game, as well as Cousins is playing, I think it's going to be
59:57a little while before we really fully trust him in a one-quarterback league.
60:01Sure. Bowers is, obviously, we agree, tight end two rest of season.
60:04One. And Trey Tucker, I actually think, you know, is going to have some good games.
60:09Only four targets in this game, but I would expect him to be second on the team in targets.
60:14And I wouldn't necessarily drop him. 35% started is about right for Trey Tucker.
60:18You never need it. He's a box of chocolates.
60:20You never know what you're going to get with him.
60:23So let's talk about Ashton Gentry, who... What movie is that from?
60:27Just kidding. Just kidding. Oh, my gosh. I was joking.
60:29He was really good against Miami. 23 carries, 102 yards.
60:32Also, six catches, 45 yards, and two touchdowns. He plays a ton.
60:36He's very involved in the passing game. He has at least three catches in every game.
60:40He has at least 19 carries in every game.
60:43But right now, I mean, the yards per carry have been terrible the last two games against the Chargers and the Saints.
60:49He has a long of 15 yards. He also has six carries from inside the five-yard line and no touchdowns.
60:54His avoid rate, Ashton Gentry's avoid rate was 22.9% last season.
60:57It is 9.5% this season. We know his yards before contact per carry last year was horrible.
61:02Right. It was 0.60 yards before contact. Right now, it's 0.60 yards, exactly the same.
61:06So, yeah, I mean, what do you think of Gentry?
61:09I think right now the question is, like, is he going to play, like, a first-rounder or a second-rounder?
61:15Because you're not going to sit him. He's getting too many touches.
61:18Or I'll throw a third-rounder in there. Is he going to play, like, a first, a second, or a third-rounder?
61:24Ashton Gentry. I think the floor is still completely there.
61:26We're second-round type production because he's getting volume when other guys are not.
61:30He's getting involved in the passing game. And most importantly, as the third piece, this is an offense that's scoring points.
61:36That's because he's going to get touchdowns out of that.
61:39The question is, can he be a game-breaker league winner, like a Kenneth Walker type from this year's draft class, fantasy draft class?
61:45I don't know if that's necessarily going to be the case, but I think it's in play.
61:50It's going to come down to him. Like, we're at the point where he needs to play better football.
61:55He needs to see it better. He needs to process it better behind the line of scrimmage.
62:00I think we've even heard this from him and the coaching staff.
62:03And within that, he'll get his opportunities. Because it's not like you can just point this to, like, well, the Raiders had the worst offensive line last year.
62:11He got hit behind on a scrimmage more than any running back, more yards after contact, fewer yards before contact.
62:17It's still a developing line. That could be the case.
62:20But then you look at Mike Washington Jr., and it's like, well, then why is he finding so much production with limited sample size and limited touches?
62:27Could it just be, you know, he's getting the spell opportunities where the defense worn down?
62:32I don't necessarily think that's the case from watching it.
62:35I think Washington is seeing the field and seeing this zone run scheme a little bit better.
62:39So I think Gentry needs to improve. But the reality is, if this is the negative, Adam, where, like, I feel confident
62:46in the offense scoring points, I feel confident in his role, I feel confident in his passing game role, I'll bet on
62:52that versus the player who has a ton of talent and could potentially play better.
62:56Everything is small sample sizes here. But Gentry did, I think it is worth pointing out, he did have by far his
63:02lowest target per out run rate yesterday, the only game he's played with Brock Bowers this season.
63:07His target per out run rate was about 30% each of the first two weeks.
63:11It was 13.6% this past week, and he had three targets.
63:14So he went from six targets to seven targets to three targets.
63:18And Kirk Cousins has basically thrown the same amount of passes right around 30 each week.
63:22So, you know, Bowers being there probably takes some targets away.
63:25But still, if you get three targets a week, I'd like to see more like four.
63:30But if you can get three catches a week, that's pretty good.
63:33He should be able to score some touchdowns. Like five carries from inside the six carries from inside the five yard line and no touchdowns is unusual.
63:41I will say Ken Walker has five carries from inside the five yard line and no touchdowns.
63:45But he has four runs longer than the longest run that Ashton Gentry has this season.
63:50Now, he lost a lot of weight, changed his diet, and wanted to be more explosive.
63:54I think personally that he is more explosive. And I feel like maybe a big run is coming.
64:00I mean, you'd have to think so. He gets 20 carries a game.
64:03But I don't know. It just hasn't translated so far.
64:06And then, yeah, watching all those goal line carries, a lot of times it's just, I don't know.
64:11It's not that impressive, the whole operation. So maybe it's a buy low if people are looking at the last two games of 10.3 and 12.3.
64:18I expect him to average at least 15 points per game going forward.
64:22You know, I think we're kind of on the same page.
64:25Yeah. Safe player. If things get better, potential for big upside.
64:28Yeah, right. But a question from Dinesh. Ashton Gentry or Jeremiah Love in Dynasty?
64:32Love for me in Dynasty. How about in redraft?
64:35Gentry, for sure. Oh, man. Love had a promising, obviously a promising week three.
64:39Like Ashton Gentry, I'm sorry, Jeremiah Love is going to be RB4 this week.
64:43He's going to kill the giant. But he got everything.
64:45I mean, he got the catches, he got the carries, he got the goal line work.
64:50It is all systems go. They turned it over to him this week for sure, yeah.
64:54Yeah, it's awesome. It's just to trust that offense.
64:57There was one comment we got earlier today that I meant to bring up that I didn't.
65:02What a shame. Ugh, YouTube likes Bauer's 62% rest of season over McBride.
65:05What a shame that the game last night was decided by a terrible pass interference call.
65:10Yeah, that's... We should be able to review it.
65:12We should be able to... They tried it. They tried that.
65:15And they did such a bad job executing it.
65:18But it was fine. They could have done it.
65:20Like, I think it was a DeAndre Hopkins play where we all saw it.
65:24We all knew what should have happened and they didn't get it right.
65:28It was like, how? How? Right. But we know what that...
65:31That play last night was not pass interference. Right.
65:34Too important. Lost the game because of that terrible call.
65:36And it was a great interception. Yeah. Should be able to review these things, Dan.
65:41I agree. You ready for Yankees-Red Sox tomorrow? Could care less about Yankees-Red Sox tomorrow.
65:45What do you care about? You care about the Giants?
65:48Those bums? No. I've lost all care. I mean, I'm entering a very dark, depressing time of my life with the Giants
65:54with their situation and golf ending very soon. This is called the hoodie stage.
65:58This is where Dan wears the same hoodie three straight days.
66:01Wears like two hoodies a week. Why can't you wear the same hoodie three straight days?
66:05What's the negative to that? I think you can.
66:08I just maybe change for the show. You know?
66:11I do change for the show. I don't wear the same thing twice on the show, typically.
66:15You've done it before. I've done it once or twice total and got called out for it immediately and felt terrible about it both times.
66:22A hoodie, Kate, it's only been a hoodie. And you know what?
66:26It is what it is. We're out of here, folks.
66:28We'll talk to you tomorrow with The Waver Wire on Fantasy Football today.
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