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0:28I guess you could be percent starting. Sure. But still, I don't know.
0:31Like there are people that are going to say, yeah, I mean, in the fourth quarter, you're going to be watching players
0:38that will never play in the NFL. Maybe. But I also haven't watched a football game since the Super Bowl.
0:43That's right. That's kind of exciting to me. I'll be pumped about that real actual football.
0:48Liz, you're here for a couple more days. It is always great to be able to have you.
0:53And by the way, you and I have a show coming out today.
0:57Maybe we do a little promo for Facts Versus Fears.
1:00Oh, okay. We're going to debut a little bit later today.
1:03Yeah, we worked double duty yesterday. That's right. On the NFL and ESPN YouTube page, right here where you're watching Fantasy Focus,
1:09you can watch Facts Versus Feelings with Liz Loza and I.
1:12Going to be a ton of fun dropping a little bit later today.
1:16And make sure that you check out FantasyFocusLive.com for our August 20th live show in New York City.
1:21Going to be a ton of fun. That's right.
1:23Going to be a blast. As we always do a lot of swag, food, hanging out, answering questions, doing all the good stuff.
1:30Taking pictures, shaking babies, all the things. Do you think if I said that Jalen Brunson might be there even though that's not true at all?
1:37It would entice people to buy more tickets? Maybe.
1:40Jalen Brunson might be there. It's possible. He lives in New York.
1:43It's true. His wife is fantastic. She is a just like him Chicago native.
1:47Yeah. I mean, I am pumped to see if it happens.
1:50But if Jalen Brunson shows up, I just want to say like shows probably off and we're just going to, we're just
1:57going to hoop it up outside for a little bit.
2:00You're going to hang with him? Oh, well. Well, he has caught a touchdown from Russell Wilson.
2:04It would only be fitting to slam home a layup from Jalen Brunson.
2:08That's right. You guys are kind of the same height.
2:11I kind of. Okay. Hey, listen, he's the NBA Finals MVP.
2:14And with that, let's thank you Field NBA Finals MVP.
2:17Why don't we take a quick look back? Because our buddy Phil Jates was on one yesterday.
2:22Yes. He called this. We were talking about Stefan Diggs might go to a place and then we got some news later in the day.
2:29Adam Schefter, let us know Stefan Diggs going to the commander's field.
2:32You said, I think this might happen soon. Did you really think it was going to happen that soon?
2:38I'm not going to lie. I don't know. Christina, we rolling the video right now.
2:42I can shut up and listen. Let's see it.
2:45All right. Let's see it. You know what? This will be called laying out.
2:49So let's go. Last thing. I just think you're all sleeping on Terry McLaurin and you guys do every year.
2:54That's it. Okay. There is a grand opportunity here.
2:57I would say that I am already baking in the opportunity of like, I think there are Stefan Diggs team very soon.
3:03Oh, so that is part of your calculus, which I think is important to note that because that that is very true.
3:09Obviously, Maryland. Very soon. Field Yates. I didn't know.
3:12I did not know it was that soon. I mean, like I thought, I mean, I just sort of put two and two together, right?
3:19It was the most obvious wide receiver to need in the NFL with the best free agent wide receiver available.
3:25Tyreek Hill is very much still far away from when he's going to return to full strength.
3:30So Stefan Diggs, DMV guys, Liz noted goes to DC and guys, I've already updated my rankings.
3:34I'm sure you guys have as well. He checks in his wide receiver 33 for me in my initial ranks that could go up a little bit.
3:42So what this is good last year? Like period flat out.
3:45Good. He played 55% of the snaps for the Patriots.
3:48That's not a lot. He, of course, was coming off that ACL tear.
3:52Yep. The guy was top 16 in both catches and receiving yards.
3:55I think he actually was ninth in total catches and 16th in receiving yards.
3:59You guys probably recall, obviously the Patriots did not play this dominant schedule, but they had some big primetime games when they
4:05went to, they went to Buffalo kind of stamped themselves as a real team early in the season.
4:11Stefan Diggs was the best player on the field.
4:13Baltimore Ravens game, Southern I football down multiple scores in the second half.
4:17Stefan Diggs once again, took over like there's good ball left for Stefan Diggs.
4:21Yep. He goes to a great quarterback, obviously in Jaden Daniels.
4:24And if you can name a, how many players and be who those players were that had at least 250 receiving yards
4:30of the commanders last year, bravo to you. I'm not sure that I could name more.
4:35You can name one. Terry McLaurin. Yes. You can probably name at least one more.
4:39Debo Samuel. Debo Samuel's two. Okay. Zach Ertz. Three.
4:42Nice job by you guys. They're all gone. Two out of those three guys are gone.
4:46So there is opportunity here for Stefan Diggs. Am I crazy optimistic?
4:50No, I love it. Where you're talking about wide receiver 33.
4:53He's, he's clearly at this point of his career, the wide receiver two on his team.
4:57I think he is owning that role rather than trying to be the wide receiver one.
5:02I think he's in a great spot and it really helps Jaden Daniels just have another weapon in that offense.
5:07I like it mostly for Jaden Daniels. Yeah. We're all even more now.
5:11But I just want to say most prescient analyst in the NFL.
5:15That's right. My goodness. Flowers to feel Jaden. You know what I would say?
5:19Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. Sometimes it's better to be good than lucky.
5:23Well, we're both. Jonathan Taylor was good and got a lot of money because of it.
5:28That wasn't luck. And Jonathan Taylor's extension. I mean, we already thought great things about Jonathan Taylor.
5:33That's not going to change anything, but the Colts just re-upping their investment in him.
5:37We'll have a conversation surrounding JT in a little bit with our running back tears.
5:41But for any of these guys in which a contract is a thing until that thing is done, meaning the contract, it
5:47gives you, I don't know, 1% more hesitation about pulling the trigger on that player.
5:52Because for Jonathan Taylor, it's going to be in the first round.
5:55It probably will be closer to 10 than it will be to one, but he's to go in the first round in your drafts.
6:02Now there's not the fear or the worry about him, A, not having a new deal until early in the season, or
6:08B, if he has no deal at all and that hamstring gets sore, then you know, hey, he's not going to risk it.
6:15So JT was the less discussed out of the B.
6:18John and Jameer Gibbs and Jonathan Taylor contract negotiations, but good to have this one taken care of.
6:23The Colts have had a busy and expensive off season.
6:25Yeah, they have. Three years, 75 million, right? I think B.
6:29John is three for 75. Okay. JT, I think is two for 44.
6:32Oh, you're right. You're right. I think. Two for 44.
6:35Two for 44. You are correct. So, Alec Pierce is getting more money per year than Jonathan Taylor.
6:40Is that right? You know, Daniel, this is not the Our Running Backs Valuable podcast.
6:45Okay, got it. We can have a great conversation about that in the Our Running Backs Valuable podcast.
6:50I don't know. I mean, I don't know. It's bizarre.
6:53I'm with you. All right. So before we dive into all this, we're doing running back tears today.
6:58In case you are diving in for the first day, today is your first day coming and hanging out with us on Fantasy Focus.
7:04First off, thank you very much. We're very excited that you're here.
7:08Go back. Check out Monday's show. Monday's show, we did the 10 biggest moves of the offseason.
7:13Just kind of set the groundwork of some of the things that happened in case you missed it.
7:18Tuesday, we had a big mock draft. Everyone loved Liz's team.
7:21God damn it. I know. Sorry about that, Field.
7:24Wednesday, yesterday, we did wide receiver tiers. Field brought together his entire tier package of all the wide receivers in the NFL.
7:30Liz and I took him to task on that, and we're doing the same thing again today with the running back position.
7:36But just in case someone didn't listen yesterday, Field, and they don't understand why we talk about rankings versus tiers.
7:42Give me that quick breakdown again of the difference between the two.
7:45Yeah. Once again, every player is ranked. So if you ask me two players, I can go to my rankings and say,
7:51I do have this guy ranked ahead of that guy.
7:54But I just think that it draws a delineation between guys that are very narrowly clustered together versus players where the rep, like where the drop is real.
8:02Right. I mean, and you'll see this within the tiers, but we'll talk about why a tier to me is more valuable
8:09than a pure ranking at the very, very top of the running back key.
8:13But I like people to think of these guys more like buckets than opposed to just one is clearly better to clearly
8:19better than three clearly better than four. There are situations where it's like the difference between running back for running back five is pretty different.
8:26Yes, but there are situations where it's running back one versus running back to a flip flop three times throughout the offseason.
8:32A reasonable person could say, hey, I'm convinced that you are wrong here.
8:36And I would say, yeah, you're fine. You're probably right.
8:39So that's why tiers are valuable to me. Rankings make it appear as though the gap between every player is the same distance.
8:45Well said. And tiers is not very much so.
8:48Sophia, let's dive into that. Your tier one of the running back room.
8:52Who you got in this first tier? These are guys who I am calling 1.01 candidates.
8:56It's three players. We'll focus on two, but I don't want to forget about three.
9:00B. John Robinson, RB1. Jameer Gibbs, RB2. Christian McCaffrey, RB3.
9:03The number one question that I get during the offseason is who are you taking number one overall every single year?
9:09Yep. This year, the two most prominent candidates have been Jameer Gibbs and B.
9:13John Robinson. Yep. Those are my top two ranked players overall, not just at the running back position.
9:18I have leaned ever so slightly towards B. John.
9:21My calculus, I think it's important to think of it this way.
9:24If I were to take and make a hundred selections of the number one overall pick, I would probably be taking B.
9:31John something like 53 or 55 times. It wouldn't be 90 times.
9:34It's not a 90 to 10 split of B.
9:37John over Jameer Gibbs. It's very close. I think B.
9:39John is a slightly ever so slightly more talented player.
9:42I think he's a better pure runner than Jameer Gibbs.
9:45And I have a little bit more confidence in the Atlanta offensive line than the reshaped Detroit offensive line.
9:50These are very small margins here. I love Jameer Gibbs, but B.
9:54John Robinson to me is worthy of that one dot oh one pick.
9:58I'm in agreement with you. I also have B.
10:00John number one overall at the position. He's an every down talent.
10:04He's been top five at the position, both in carries and receptions and back to back seasons.
10:08We know that he is also attached to a play caller this year in Kevin Stefanski who likes to establish the run.
10:15No Tyler Algier available to poach the goal line as much.
10:18I just don't think Brian Robinson has as forceful or dominant a skill set in that regard.
10:23So I think there'd be more goal line equity for Robinson this season and knock on wood.
10:27He has yet B. John Robinson this season. He has yet to miss a single game over three seasons, only 24 years old.
10:34Love that. I mean, Jameer, we can make the Jameer Gibbs case too.
10:38I'm not trying to speak out of both sides.
10:40I'm going to allow Daniel to do that because I mean, do you have him?
10:45You have a Marvy one, which is not some crazy take, but make your case for Jameer Gibbs is one dot oh one.
10:51I love this Lions offense getting rid of David Montgomery the same way that the Falcons got rid of Tyler Algier.
10:57I just feel like David Montgomery was a better player than Tyler Algier, but both of these guys did lose somebody notable by yes behind them.
11:05Jameer Gibbs unbelievable pass catcher just like Bajon Robinson.
11:07That's a major part of his skill set. He's got that home run ability at any minute.
11:12He can take it to the house and he should touch the ball 20 to 25 times in an offense that is
11:18one of if not the best scoring offenses in the NFL and has been over the last couple of years.
11:24The one thing I will say is I can fully buy into the narrative narrative of if I just want to be a little bit safer.
11:31Like I've already said, I think Bajon's frame is Bill makes me a little bit feel a little bit better rather than
11:38like, you know, Jameer is a little bit slight.
11:40However, I you can't go wrong with Jameer Gibbs and all the things that he did last year.
11:45So do you hear I would say that neither one of our arguments is so passionate.
11:50Now we're like, you know, this is the clear cut right answer and you are wrong.
11:54Even you a Lions fan who would probably be inclined to feel strongly about Jameer Gibbs as 1.01 is kind of like,
12:01yeah, I mean, I would take him 1.01, but you know, Bajon at 1.01 is also perfectly acceptable.
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13:28Available online at fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. I don't want to overlook Christian McCaffrey though in this conversation.
13:33Would either of you ever entertain taking Christian McCaffrey first overall?
13:36No. Okay, and what's your reason against that? I would love, I have a whole reason, but I would love for Liz
13:43to tell us because we've talked about this also on facts versus feelings.
13:46A lot of shout outs for facts versus feelings on the show today.
13:50About the 370 touch rule. I just saw something I need to ask you about in a second.
13:55Oh. Go ahead, Liz. Well, the rule of 370 is 370 total touches leads to a drastic decline in efficiency and production the following year.
14:02Immediately following. No in between, right? And I followed that rule when talking about and ranking Saquon Barkley last season.
14:08A lot of people didn't like what I had to say.
14:11I said it anyway. And I wasn't saying that Saquon Barkley because of his touch total was going to be a bust,
14:17but just that he wasn't worth a early first round pick.
14:20Yep. Turned out right. And I would like people to remember that now Christian McCaffrey is coming off of a season in
14:27which he touched the ball 413 total times. He also has a reliance on receiving work.
14:31There is no denying that he is going to be the engine of Kyle Shanahan's offense.
14:36I'm not saying that that's not true. I am just saying I don't think he is going to, especially when you note
14:42the efficiency he managed as a rusher last season going to rebound.
14:45So now we're, we're depreciating the overall value in terms of production a little bit more.
14:50And so I don't want to take a player that early if I don't believe that they will fully repay the ADP.
14:56And that is, that is where I'm at. Last year I did the same thing.
15:01We talked about it a lot. I told you after Saquon Barkley season and all the touches he had, I was more
15:07out than in on Saquon finishes RB 12 this season.
15:10Christian McCaffrey, I think you said 413 touches. That's in the regular season.
15:13All, all total. He had 450 touches last year.
15:16Sure. I know it's only one season, but he's 30 years old coming off the heaviest workload that he has ever had.
15:22And over his career, when you look back at similarly heavy touch workload seasons, more often than not, he doesn't repeat rather than he repeats.
15:29Well, that doesn't mean that he won't. Statistically speaking, most running backs don't.
15:33Right. Over the past two decades. That large sample size, I think that gives me that ability.
15:38So I feel like with that, there's too much risk at his ADP given the touch and the workload.
15:43Even though I was so in on Christian McCaffrey last year.
15:46That was I. This isn't last year. Okay. So because of that, I'm out.
15:50I have CMC all the way down at RB nine.
15:53I even sometimes float with him in the RB 10 spot.
15:56Wow. That is low, low, low, low right there.
15:59All right. So I'm going to quickly make the case for Christian McCaffrey, not just as my third running back on the board, but potentially RB one.
16:07Bring it. You guys have very valid points about what happened last year with Saquon and how he ended up being a
16:13bus relative to expectation and the 370 touch rule in general.
16:16I do think that Christian McCaffrey staying healthy for 17 games is that applies, I think, to almost every player like Christian McCaffrey has a slightly.
16:23He does have a longer injury rap sheet than B.
16:26John Robinson or Jameer Gibbs, but I also can't totally predict the future.
16:30Christian McCaffrey last year was an injury risk and he played every game.
16:34Yep. I think Christian McCaffrey has a more repeatable formula to his fantasy success because yes, it's crazy receiving production.
16:39I think he's also on the shortlist for the greatest receiving running back in the history of the NFL.
16:45This Niners offense is, is once again, banked up basically everywhere, but him and Kyle Shanahan has a Christian McCaffrey problem.
16:51I think is a good problem for us, right?
16:53He just can't help himself with CMC. So I'm in on Christian McCaffrey is not just RB three.
16:58He's the number three player on my board overall.
17:01All right. Number three on the player on not just running backs overall.
17:05I want to ask you this then. If we were to ask the people a question, yes, would you rather ask them?
17:11Would you rather have Jameer or John at one on one?
17:14Or do you think that CMC is a one on one candidate?
17:17Which question do you like more for the people?
17:20I'm curious if we could throw a poll up on the, just the two guys being on Jameer, just because it's been
17:26the most debated topic of the offseason in fantasy.
17:29So the poll will be available right now in the live stream or maybe on Twitter or both.
17:34Not entirely sure. But yes, it is a fun poll.
17:37We'll check back and maybe we'll come back halfway through.
17:40Would you rather have Bajon Robinson or Jameer Gibbs if you were picking at one dot oh one?
17:45All right. So that's going to round out tier one field.
17:48Let's go to tier two. Rockstar running backs. I believe.
17:51Yeah. Rockstar RB ones here. These are guys who deserve to go either in the first round or very close to it.
17:57RB four is the newly and handsomely paid Jonathan Taylor.
18:00Yep. I remain bullish on Devon H and James Cook is RB six for me.
18:04Derek Henry RB seven. So I'm optimistic there. Chase Brown, RB eight chase Brown, by the way, also extension eligible.
18:10And then Kenneth Walker, the third is number nine overall for me.
18:13I expressed some optimism about him on Monday show.
18:16We can revisit that right now, but let's start with JT Liz.
18:19I think you have some thoughts on JT's value positively or negative.
18:23Negatively. It is a workload conversation again. I know we agree on a lot though.
18:27Fields, we agreed on Bajon. This is part of the discourse.
18:30So I have personally gone over and I've done this.
18:33I didn't source it out. Right. I very nerdily, very excitedly on my sofa, went through the past two decades and looked
18:39at every single running back who cleared 300 carries in back to back seasons.
18:43There have been a total of 15 running backs over the past two decades who have done that.
18:48Okay. Jonathan Taylor and Derek Henry, who we'll talk about a little bit later, are the only to have done it over the past two years.
18:56Okay. So, but of those 15, 13, the 13 remaining, just six have reached a thousand rushing yards in the following year.
19:02And only four of those 13 played every game the next season.
19:05Those were LT, Chris Johnson, Michael Turner, and Marshawn Lynch.
19:08Numbers aren't leaning in JT's favor. Last season, he touched the ball 369 times.
19:12So he was just one touch away from the rule of 370.
19:16I understand he just got paid. I am worried about the workload.
19:19Well, wait, there's more. Oh, great. If we talk about his production with Daniel Jones on the field versus without Daniel Jones
19:25on the field, there is a vast difference as this graph shows you.
19:29So in terms of fantasy points per game, nearly 25 per game with Daniel Jones under center, less than 13 otherwise.
19:35So when we have a quarterback coming off of an Achilles injury, I'm a little bit more worried about the efficiency here for Taylor.
19:42There's no disputing again that he's going to be the centerpiece of this offense and that there will be volume.
19:48I am just worried about his ability to handle said volume.
19:51I'm not going to lie. I read that graphic top to bottom.
19:54Me too. And the first two, I was like, these look the exact same to me.
19:59The first two categories were very close. And then we got to the bottom line and I was like, I now understand
20:05that was his point, which illustrated what she described, the discrepancy in points per game.
20:09I'm more optimistic. Sure. The workload. Maybe I'm just a stick.
20:12I'm just not afraid of guys who run the ball a ton year in and year out.
20:17Do you have, so how, where does he rank for you?
20:20Jonathan Taylor? I believe I, I mean, I still have him inside my top 10 because of the volume.
20:26I do have him fourth. Okay. So fourth. So still fourth.
20:29All right. So, so far Daniel has a CMC all the way down at RB nine.
20:33Who is your RB three? My RB three is James cook.
20:36James cook. Oh, okay. That's interesting there. So is that, I mean, I have his RB six, but so I'm with you
20:43there, but CMC, your concerns, you've already stated them.
20:45James cook, I think it's kind of an obvious positive candidate there.
20:49Yep. Um, but we all weren't like, we were, do you have JT?
20:52Are we? R three. So I'm in on JT.
20:55Although I understand the concerns. We're still all in the same zip code, which is.
20:59I also think it's just important to stipulate these things to an audience, right?
21:03Like people listening shouldn't just automatically think, I don't expect anybody to do the sort of research that we're doing.
21:09Right. So sure. Presenting the case and allowing people to decide for themselves is important.
21:13And having differing points of view or differing, um, buckets of information, I think just helps people feel more confident when they
21:19either do or do not make a choice. How it could go right.
21:23How it might go wrong. We're banking on how it might go right for the most part.
21:28Um, I think a really interesting candidate, because I think a lot of people have spelled out how it could go wrong is Devon H.
21:35Ann who I have landed on two important things.
21:38Yes. He has a more mobile quarterback. I still think the passing volume is going to be good enough.
21:43It may not be as good from when you're playing with Tua and Quinn Ewers and quarterbacks like that, who are not elite scramblers like Malik Willis is.
21:51I also think Devon H. Ann's just flat. Awesome.
21:54As a player, it's kind of a talent hedge for me.
21:57So I still have him as RB five. Oh, I was thinking I was way different than you guys.
22:02Cause I've seen a lot of detractors on Devon H.
22:05And right. There are people that are concerned about the offense and being terrible.
22:09And yes, all the Gordon buzz. Is seems like all of us are still believers in Devon H.
22:14I moved him down one more. I actually have my RB seven.
22:18I just did that this morning, but I, I do have concerns.
22:21All the concerns that we just laid out. Do I think he's going to have more passing game work, more targets under
22:27Malik Willis than he did with Tua? Like probably not.
22:30Definitely not. Right. Do I think that he's going to see more stacked boxes this year than he saw last year, given
22:36the way the offense is going to be? Maybe I think that's a, that's at least a possibility.
22:41The good news is though, like you said, Malik Willis should be able to learn how to throw the ball at or behind the line of scrimmage.
22:49Cause it's not very far. Malik Willis doesn't have to throw the ball far to get the ball to Devon H.
22:55And so that should be a thing that he can learn how to do.
22:59So the stack boxes issue, I think is one we hear a lot.
23:03I wanted to find out the numbers on it.
23:05And last season already 23% of HN's total carries were against a loaded fronts.
23:09Wow. So already 23%. Maybe that goes up to 25%.
23:12Do you know where that ranks? 23%? I did at one point.
23:16It was, I think about ninth. I wonder if Kevin Pulse is from the top.
23:20So it's somewhere in the, like it's already quite high number.
23:23And his efficiency, we know last season and his breakaway runs were certainly high at the position.
23:28So if he's already beating it and let's say that number goes up, let's say a quarter of his carries are against a loaded box.
23:35Yeah. I mean, he's pretty good, right? I don't think he's going to be as efficient.
23:40I don't think he's going to get the passing game work.
23:43But I also don't think when you have seen him succeed in underwhelming offenses like last season, he can't be placed inside the top five.
23:50I don't think any of us are out necessarily on Devon A.
23:53Chan. But would you guys agree with me that he has the biggest bust potential of this tier?
23:58Or is there another running back you think has bigger bust potential?
24:02I think he has the biggest bunch potential. So a bust potential of this tier?
24:06Yes. I would agree on that. But I still really like, I think that chances are low.
24:11It's a talent bet. It's a pure talent bet.
24:13I'm with you on that. I'm a talent bet there for sure.
24:17Talking about James Cook. Liz has him at RB3.
24:19I have him as RB6. You have him somewhere in there.
24:23Somewhere in the top five. Yeah. I mean, with James Cook, it's like really, really good player.
24:27Plays behind the lead offensive line. That offense is going to support a ton of points.
24:32Derrick Henry is one that I've already expressed throughout the week that I'm more optimistic on.
24:36I think it was yesterday. I was talking about how I think the Ravens are going to be good.
24:42They're rejuvenated. Derrick Henry is the one running back who, no matter what the historical numbers tell you about guys and having
24:48the same level of success with huge workloads year over year over year, he's the outlier.
24:53He is built literally different than almost any running back of this era.
24:56I'm big time in on Derrick Henry, and I'm seeing him slide way lower than RB7.
25:01You guys both have him as RB11. So a notable discrepancy at this high on the board.
25:06I see him as a low end RB1. If you decide to go with maybe a wide receiver, two wide receivers first,
25:12or ideally, if I could get him as an like a high end RB2, that's where I would rather have eventually, even
25:18though I love Derrick Henry, you talk about the body and all the things like age is still undefeated.
25:24And so sooner or later, you start to see a fall off.
25:27We haven't seen, I mean, Derrick Henry is the outlier when it comes to fantasy's greatest anomaly.
25:32Literally. Yes. So I'm with you on that. But there's a reason why I have him at the tail end of that first round because of that.
25:40It's just sooner or later, it's going to happen.
25:42Entering his age 32 season, which I think is what you're alluding to in 2024.
25:47No. In 2024, he recorded 325 carries plus 19 receptions.
25:49We know he's going to probably have fewer than 20 catches, right?
25:53Like that's going to be right around. That's a good over under.
25:56Yep. Yep. And then last year, 307 carries. So again, cleared 300 carries in back-to-back seasons, 15 receptions last season.
26:02Efficiency was still down a little bit, but still over five yards per carry.
26:06So fantastic. Again, I'm less worried about Derrick Henry because he has proven his metal time and time again.
26:11Low end RB1 for me because of the durability and age concerns.
26:15But it's just, it's an asterisk. It's not a deal breaker.
26:18I'm a big Derrick Henry guy. You got a big, you got Chase Brown, excuse me, after that.
26:23And I want to ask you about Chase Brown.
26:26Last year, the question was. That was your guy last year.
26:29It was. Never wrong. Only early. Two years ago, he was running back 12.
26:33And the question was, can he repeat? Sure. And the beginning of the season gave you some scares.
26:38Yeah, it was bad. Joe Burrow got hurt. And that entire Bengals offense was tough, obviously, for a couple of weeks, right?
26:44But then you look at week eight on, and Chase Brown looked like the guy that I felt like I was touting all offseason.
26:51Take a look at this game, though. For those listening at home, week eight on, here's what he did.
26:56Please. RB5, RB6, RB12, RB13, RB10, RB6, RB13, RB1, RB3, and RB7.
27:00From week eight on, he did not have a single game under 15 fantasy points or lower than running back 13.
27:06Yeah. What's changed? I will tell you what's changed.
27:08Tell me. There's one important thing that's changed. Okay.
27:11The Bengals defense is now respectable. Oh, is it?
27:13I believe it's respectable. Yeah. I mean, they spent huge this offseason.
27:17And I think, well, I just think that them being respectable.
27:20Remember last year? I mean, it was like every week.
27:23Joe Flack, I guess Caleb Williams has like the biggest game in the history of Bears franchise or Bears franchise history.
27:29And then it's like guys who are not premium players are throwing for like 250 against the Bengals every week.
27:34It was like monster game after monster game after monster game.
27:38They played shootouts every week. Yep. That would be sort of the downside case against Chase Brown.
27:42But I have him as RB8. So I think that Bengals defense will be better, but not better enough that Chase Brown
27:49is still not going to see requisite passing game usage.
27:52And even if it's just average efficiency as a runner, I think that's plenty good enough to be a top 10 back.
27:58So as a great point from week eight on eight through the end of the season, he averaged 21.2 fantasy points per game.
28:04Huge. RB3. Okay. So we're not expecting RB3, a little bit of regression.
28:08What's a little bit of regression from RB3? Like still maybe a six or eight RB8, RB10.
28:13Right. That's where we're at. I think this is Chase Brown season again.
28:17Well, I think a lot of people are also worried about Joe Burrow's health.
28:21That's become a recurrent anxiety for understandable reasons. When you look though at what Brown was able to do with and without
28:27Joe Burrow on the field, it's not that there's not that big of a gap with Burrow on the field.
28:33He averaged 19.4 fantasy points per game. Most of that was due to touchdowns though.
28:37I'll get there in a second. Yeah. Without Joe Burrow, 14.1 fantasy points per game.
28:41So we're looking at what? Like RB6 range versus RB14 range.
28:44Got it. Scrimmage touchdowns with Burrow, nine without two.
28:47Yeah. So we don't chase touchdowns. We chase volume.
28:49So rushing efficiency increases. If the defense gets better, passing game work goes down a little bit.
28:54Still a top 10. Back-to-back seasons of 11 touchdowns.
28:57And I am in on this offense. I understand you think the defense is going to be better.
29:02I think maybe more serviceable is the term I would use, but I don't think that they're going to be so good
29:08that I'm worried that it's going to impact Chase Brown's value.
29:11But hear it. And we've talked about Ken Walker III a little bit, but do you have any thoughts on him now that he's officially in Kansas City?
29:19Big contract. Really talented runner. The Chiefs desperately in explosive plays.
29:22He's going to have a passing game role. And there is very little competition for work there.
29:27Emmitt Johnson, their fifth round pick. Again, fifth round pick is the competition.
29:31Like, I know running backs have a history of finding their way to success from less likely places.
29:36But a fifth round pick is not enough for me to be deterred off of Ken Walker having a monster, monster role.
29:42Not with Ken. If Ken Walker wasn't there and maybe it was still Isaiah Pacheco, we'd be having the, oh, I wonder
29:49if this is a guy that could overtake here in the backfield.
29:52Yeah. You don't do that when you sign the Super Bowl MVP to a deal to be your lead back.
29:58And you need him. Yes, absolutely. It's a clear and obvious need, which means he'll be utilized to fill that hole.
30:04I like Ken Walker III a lot. All right, let's move on.
30:07What's your next tier here, Field Jates? Tier three.
30:10More running back ones, you say? Okay. Yes, I do say that.
30:13Let's get through some of the names that you need to know here.
30:17Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley, Ashton Gentty, Omarion Hampton, and Jeremiah Love.
30:20Hold on. Hold on, Field Jates. In classic Matthew Barry fashion, you've got 14 running backs as RB1s.
30:25And I just want to talk about. Yeah, the math isn't math anymore.
30:29Math doesn't math there. It sort of is, right?
30:31It's like, if you leave the draft with Ashton Gentty as the first running back you take, in my opinion, I'm the
30:37one that has him outside the top 10, that would not feel like a hollow spot.
30:42Okay. You know, you get further down the list.
30:45You're pretty solid on the spot. If you're like, wow, like my first running back taken was Jadarian Price or Kenny Gainwell,
30:51I'd be like, all right, I really need things to break right elsewhere.
30:55But I think 14 players have top, call it eight upside.
30:58Okay. So that's why that's how I landed on that number right there.
31:01I think the order here is probably more interesting.
31:04I think that really from Derrick Henry, number seven for me, down to Jeremiah Love, number 14 for me, people are going
31:10to have some issues with the rankings overall here.
31:13There are people that say, no, I'm in on Ashton Gentty and Jeremiah Love.
31:17I don't think Jeremiah Love is going to last till RB 14 in any of my drafts.
31:22I know I'm low on him. It's a shiny object.
31:24It's the very talented player. My concerns on Jeremiah Love are A, it's a bad situation.
31:29B, he's got legit competition for work in that backfield.
31:32Tyler Algier is going to be a thing. They gave him real money.
31:36James Conner still on the roster. We'll see whether that remains the case by the time we get to the season.
31:42And I have a little bit of scar tissue from Ashton Gentty last year is that no matter how great the player
31:48is, if you're getting tackled or at least hit behind the line of scrimmage on two out of three carries, it's hard to be Superman.
31:55It just is. So I'm a little less optimistic on Jeremiah Love than some.
31:59This is a little less optimism on Amar and Hampton and Ashton Gentty, but still enough optimism that I'm telling you, I
32:05think the top eight is within play for them.
32:08I would like to hear Field give Josh Jacobs a little bit of love because I think he's a player we, again, didn't mention.
32:15To me, he is like the John Turturro of the NFL, right?
32:18Like not. Wow. I love that. I love John Turturro.
32:21You know who John Turturro is. Oh, brother, we're out there.
32:24Character actor. See, this proves my point, though, because he's not flashy, but he is critical to every single film that he is in.
32:31You are. John Turturro. Turturro. He's so good. He's such a good actor.
32:35The reason that the comp, though, is in every movie, he is critical to the narrative.
32:39The fact that Field looked at his face and still doesn't know what movies he is, that makes me a little nervous.
32:45Yeah. We didn't even mention Josh Jacobs. We're talking about Ashton Gentty.
32:49We're talking about O'Marion Hampton. I got nothing. And yet, this is the Packers guy.
32:53You haven't seen Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? That's unreal.
32:56I have. I got to be honest with you.
32:58I suck at this game. I'm so bad. What is Kyle Sobby sitting in between us, right?
33:03My goodness. I really thought that that one was.
33:06I had a couple of other options. I was like, they're both going to know him.
33:10Sure. That was not. Not a big Bluegrass fan field.
33:13No. I think of Bluegrass and I think of Boise State's football field.
33:17That's what I think of when you say Bluegrass.
33:19Wow. Well done. Well, I play Banjo now. Did you know that?
33:23There you go. Thank you. Christina, our producer, and I are in lockstep here, so I don't feel as bad.
33:29Can I ask a serious question to talk about Josh Jacobs?
33:32Because there's a serious matter surrounding him. There is.
33:34Is there any concern about that from this offseason?
33:37Yes. I mean, legitimately, there is a serious concern.
33:39That's one where it's, I don't have enough information that I'm already moving Josh Jacobs down.
33:44Okay. And if Josh Jacobs is going to be punished for these very scary allegations involving him this offseason, it's going to
33:50be such a significant punishment that I'm not going to move him down from nine to 12.
33:55It's going to be like nine to like 39, right?
33:58Or nine to not drafted. Right. Um, the Packers actions have suggested he is going to be available for them.
34:04Right. I mean, they have not done anything to prepare otherwise.
34:07And he is like, I just said, essential to this offense.
34:10Yes. So you should know the name Marshawn Lloyd, I would say.
34:13Now, we're talking about durability. Two years ago. Yeah.
34:16Third round pick out of USC. Yes. I mean, he is rarely available.
34:20I mean, rarely, rarely available. So, um, but for now I'm ranking Josh Jacobs as if he is going to be playing.
34:26Okay. Then I'm, I am prepared to adjust accordingly, but when he does play, you said steady, John Tutoro.
34:31John Turturro. Tutoro. Yes. Steady. He is John Turturro.
34:34I'm taking you at your, at your word on that.
34:37Yes. Um, we've talked, you want to hear out with Mario and Hampton stuff.
34:41Cause I know you're, you're the optimist here on Onhampton.
34:43I'm the highest. Yeah. I love. So we have an interesting like CMC versus Omari and Hampton.
34:48I don't know. Like that's might be too, I mean, I don't know.
34:52That's actually a pretty good bet. You want to do it?
34:55Yeah, sure. Why not? First board bet of 2026.
34:58Are you ready? Let's do it. Um, so let's just make the bet and we'll throw caveats in there.
35:03Okay. The fact, like, do we need to put like number of games and all that?
35:08We can do that at the end, but, but we know the, we know the spirit of the bet.
35:13Let's go. You know, they have to play rather than saying they have to play at least 10 games.
35:18Why don't we say if they play within two total games of each other?
35:22Perfect. Right. Like if CMC plays six and Hampton plays seven, it's still a valid bet.
35:27Yes. And Hampton plays four doesn't really matter. Okay.
35:30Deal. Deal. Sweet. Okay. I say Christian McCaffrey outscores Amari and Hampton in 2026.
35:34And I say Amari and Hampton outscores Christian McCaffrey in 2026.
35:37Put it on the board. I love it. We don't have a sounder for that, but yeah, you're optimistic.
35:42Yeah, I am. All right. So here's the reason why five of his nine games last year, he was a top 20 running back five of nine.
35:50So over half of him as a rookie still learning the offense without both of the bookend tackles, by the way, who
35:56are back this year, which we really like. Three of those games, he was a top 10 running back.
36:01So a third of his games, he was an RB1 as a rookie.
36:05He showed great pass catching ability. Four of those nine games, he had five or more catches.
36:10And now he has Mike McDaniel coming over who loves to be able to get the running back involved in the passing game.
36:17He's going to be all there for the goal line work.
36:20And Keaton Mitchell didn't even get as much money as Chris Rodriguez.
36:23How valuable can that guy be? That dramatic pause there.
36:26Excellently executed. What are we going with that one?
36:29Yeah. Mike McDaniel also, just because it is fun to add a little bit of coach speak, you can take what you want out of it.
36:36Did say, I believe this past Wednesday, Hampton has shown the most growth of any player currently in practice.
36:41McDaniel should unlock Omari and Hampton in fantasy this year, in my estimation.
36:45Based off of a quick Google research, Keaton Mitchell's salary for the Chargers this year is equivalent to John Turturro's No Brother Were Out There.
36:52Definitely not. Which was good enough to win him.
36:55An Emmy, you said? It was a movie, my friend.
36:58It was a movie by the Coen brothers. Emmys are for TV.
37:01We would like one of those. Oh, yeah. We want an Emmys.
37:04We want one of them. I mean, if you want an Oscar, you got to start watching some movies.
37:10I love that. Are we? I watched Utopia 2 four times.
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39:01You talked about it in relation to Jeremiah Love, but we're still on Ashton Gentty as an RB1 this year.
39:07I'm interested. I mean, I'm invested in Ashton Gentty.
39:09I'm not ready to go as high as others are because I think this offense is better.
39:14I don't think it's fully solved. Okay. And I want to say this name now, store it away.
39:19We'll talk about it more when we talk about insurance running backs.
39:22Mike Washington, rookie out of Arkansas, who's going to be a little bit of a factor there.
39:27I think Clint Kubiak, who did not draft Ashton Gentty, has made it clear.
39:31He ain't playing 90% of the snaps. I agree.
39:34And 70 might still be good. I'm just a little less optimistic on Ashton Gentty.
39:38Okay. All right. I love that. We're going to dive into the mailbag here a little bit, my friends, and see what we bring to the table.
39:46First question comes from Yamara, wants to know, is round two too much of a reach for Chase Brown?
39:51I do not believe so. Chase Brown actually coming off the board, ADP around 25.
39:56So you're actually able to get him in the third round if you want.
39:59I'm with you. Yeah, round two looks good to me.
40:02Fine with me. I'm able to back into the second round.
40:05Not a problem for me. So I'm good on Chase Brown there.
40:09All righty. Another question here from our chat. This one comes from Terry McCulley.
40:13Is that a referee in the... It was Terry McCulley?
40:16Oh, there you go. Very close. There you go.
40:18All right. But Terry McCulley, as I understand it, one of our most active chatters.
40:23Shout out to you, Terry. Jadarian Price worth the hype in Seattle?
40:26Yes. We'll talk about him in just a few more minutes.
40:29Worth the hype, but to a point. We'll talk about one very important stat that you and I may disagree on.
40:35Okay. All right. I'm very interested in figuring that out.
40:38All right. We got one more then. One more question here from our chat.
40:42This one comes from Gavin Hardy. He wants to know, do I go Hall or Javante as my RB2 if Walker is gone?
40:48Brees Hall or Javante Williams? Oh, well, we have a poll reveal, right?
40:52Right, Christina, because if we don't, then I'll take it right into tier four.
40:56This is amazing. So Christina just told us. Our producer, Christina, said Jameer Gibbs has 53% of the vote.
41:02Bijan Robinson, 47% of the vote. It's kind of perfect, though, because it makes the point.
41:06It's 53-47, but it could have been the other way very easily.
41:10It's very close. Yeah. So it's hard to decipher between these two players at the top.
41:14What I do notice is Christian McCaffrey got 0% of the vote there.
41:18Well, well, well, well. Are we going to answer the question about Brees Hall versus Christian McCaffrey?
41:23Yes. Well, yeah, we do. Yes. How about this?
41:25I just don't want this poor guy not to get into tier four.
41:29Liz just got so nervous for a second. I have an idea, though.
41:33Let's get into tier four because my answer will be served at the very top.
41:37Please don't ignore this fellow. Tier four is darn good RB2s.
41:40Okay. And my list of tier four running backs.
41:43I love this title. I know, right? I love the title.
41:46I know I worked hard on them. Running back 15, Javante Williams.
41:49Okay. Running back 16, Brees Hall. Wow. In lockstep, that question asker is very much thinking the same way I am, how close these two guys are.
41:57Kyron Williams, Travis Achan, and Cam Scadaboo at number running back 19, all in my tier four.
42:02It's really close. I think Javante Williams obviously has a better infrastructure around him than Brees.
42:06Brees plays on what could be a very dismal offense.
42:09Javante plays on what should be one of the best offenses in the NFL once again.
42:14Both teams actually have a good offensive line. The Jets, the strength of their team could well be their offensive line, but
42:20we have seen that Brees Hall has been undone.
42:22There are games in which the Jets are getting waxed by 24 points at halftime, and he can't be as efficient as
42:29a runner because he's not running the football at all in the second half.
42:33So I split the difference by going with Javante and the better offense.
42:36But Liz, where do you land on that one?
42:39I have them back to back as well. I do have Brees just ahead of Javante Williams.
42:44I will say I was very high on Javante Williams last season.
42:47I think I'm probably being a tad resentful because I don't want to pay the full price this year after getting him successfully at a discount last year.
42:55If I'm being like a totally honest about it, I do love a player though that bets on himself and wins.
43:01And he, I think it's worth mentioning, also got paid.
43:04He got an extension. So that's something. Hall got some money as well.
43:08Javante Williams, just not as much receiving upside. And I think that's the other deal, the other hair that I'm splitting between the two.
43:15So Liz is going with the passing game upside.
43:17I'm going with the better offense and the touchdown upside.
43:20Daniel, what are you doing? So, or how close is it?
43:23It's really close because I did take Brees Hall.
43:26I like Brees Hall. Like, I think he has a chance to be much better in this year's version of this offense with an improved offensive line.
43:33Ideally, much improved quarterback play with Geno Smith, just having a serviceable offense.
43:37But given that offense, given what I believe will be better touchdown equity because of that offense.
43:42And there's a chance that if which one of these teams is potentially going to be blowing a team out and you're
43:48just salting out the clock at the end, it's probably not going to be the New York Jets.
43:53That gives Javante Williams a little bit more bump for me.
43:56So I got Javante right above Brees Hall. Can I ask a question about Brees Hall?
44:01Yes. Because I don't think he scored more than five rushing touchdowns since entering the league, which seems criminal.
44:06I mean, that proves Field's point. But this year we are expecting and hoping for a bit of a bump, right?
44:12So Field and Daniel over under seven and a half rushing scores for Brees Hall.
44:17Under. I'll tell you why. Okay. How many red zone touches do you think Brees Hall has in his career?
44:22Oh, I don't like that. You already had the stat off the hip.
44:26Red zone touches, which is not the same as goal line.
44:29So D. Okay. Yep. Inside the 20, which gives you a shot to score.
44:33I'm going to say he's got. He's been around the NFL for four years.
44:37Four years. Yep. 38. Oh, I was going to go a little higher than that.
44:41Oh, much higher than that. Yeah. I was going to say like 60.
44:4591's the answer. Okay. However, Christian McCaffrey just last season had 91.
44:48Oh my God. So to give you the, like, I think that, you know, I believe Christian McCaffrey is a better player.
44:55Yeah. I would also tell you though, that there's a value in being in a good offense.
45:00Yes. That was illustrated very clearly between those two players and red zone touches.
45:04Okay. All right. Fine. I guess you're not buying into the Jaden Blue hype.
45:08Let's go. Let's move on. There we go. All right.
45:10Yeah. No drum beat for you. Yeah. Next up in this tier.
45:14Yeah. And are you guys worried at all about Kame Scataboo in this tier?
45:18Do you? I love him. I mean, he's a living, breathing Kool-Aid man.
45:22Oh yeah. Like give it to me. I don't, I don't.
45:25Living. He is. I love it. I love the brevity.
45:27I love the price. Like I love the upside.
45:30I mean, what, before he got hurt, he averaged 19.1 fantasy points per game.
45:34Is he going to see as much receiving work?
45:37If Malik Neighbors is as healthy as we are hoping and expecting him to be?
45:41Nah. But what a ride. And as my RB2 here, fine.
45:44As an RB2, I am also fine. I do have more nervousness just around the, the best ability is availability.
45:50Yeah. Right. And he's shown the thing about him.
45:52It's not like even just like the immaturity, the backflip, all that stuff.
45:56Forget it. I mean, I get it. That happens, but people can grow up.
46:00The thing that makes me a little bit nervous is that he just loves contact.
46:04He does. He is an old school football player.
46:07And that is one of the things legitimately that does give me a little bit more pause because he will never shy away from that.
46:14This isn't a dynasty conversation. You're right. Yes. That's my thing is that I'm more concerned about the long-term viability of Kim Scadaboo.
46:20We're thinking about 2026 and I am optimistic. Well, you didn't even make it through last season.
46:25So I have a little bit of concern. Why?
46:28That's fair. But, but that was a nasty, like that was a, it wasn't like the dings and the bruises.
46:34You're right. It was the, holy crap, his ankles go in the wrong direction.
46:38Also say a player with that kind of mentality who does invite, invite contact, an injury like that is not going to stop him, halt him.
46:45Like this guy. The dude's backflipping on stages, as Daniel said.
46:48And by the way, he was one of the big sneaky winners of the off season, because I think if Jeremiah Love
46:54got to number five, he might be a New York giant.
46:57Yeah. They are. And that offense, if Malik neighbors is healthy, should give him again, even more opportunities to find the end zone.
47:04Sure. Right. So, all right, let's talk tier five field Yates.
47:07Yeah. And these guys are starting to blend in a little bit more, but tier five running backs.
47:12I call you guys RB twos, just solid RB twos.
47:15Let's begin with Quinn Sean Judkins for the Cleveland Browns.
47:18Bucky Irving. We kind of get into wildcard territory here, too.
47:21Basial Tootin. Tuba Hubbard. DeAndre Swift. Jadarian Price. David Montgomery.
47:24Who am I too low on? Who am I too high on?
47:27Daniel, you go first. Those bottom two, I think you're too low on.
47:31Too low. I'll talk about Jadarian Price. Hey, what do you think?
47:34But I am very much in on him. I just feel like Jadarian Price, with the way that this Seahawks offense should
47:41operate this year, still a lot of question marks around when Zach Charbonnet is going to come back, they were the third
47:47run heaviest team in the NFL last year. This team knows what we know.
47:51Sam Darnold's a good quarterback, but the path of success is not him throwing the ball 50 times a game.
47:57They want to run the ball. They had the fourth most goal to go opportunities, and there's no Zach Charbonnet, and you
48:03know Sam Darnold's not going to be the one sneaking it in.
48:06So Jadarian Price is in a great spot if this offense can keep doing stuff to become the clear cut guy that
48:13even when Zach Charbonnet comes back, he could have that zhuzh, as my friend Liz says, to just not relinquish the job.
48:19Right now I have him as a running back two, a legitimate running back two, I have him as running back 19.
48:25The schedule also allows himself, because of its ease, to establish himself early.
48:29Now again, they open, Seattle opens the season against the Patriots, so that's not great.
48:33But the next two games, Cardinals and Commanders, those are two teams that fielded bottom 10 run defenses last year.
48:39So if Price, assuming that even if Charbonnet, let's just, let's say Charbonnet's back, but we know that he's got to shake
48:45off some rust, or that he's going to be eased back in.
48:48After that game against the Patriots, if Price can establish himself and smash against two bottom 10 defenses, fielded, what are you doing?
48:55Smash. I just smashed a microphone. Believe me. That was a gavel pound for Price early in the season.
49:00So if he can do that early in the season, then I think we can take off in a really nice way
49:07and maybe fend off the Charbonnet eventuality of the situation.
49:10He is my favorite. And out of this tier that you have, he is my favorite running back in this group because
49:16I think he has the best chance based on what that offense can be and his role, that clear role to RB1 possibilities in this tier.
49:23He's my favorite running back. Let me give you the two hesitations of why he's lower.
49:28Bring it. One is, and I mentioned this stat a few days ago, six catches during his last season at Notre Dame for Jadarion Price.
49:35Now he was sharing time with Jeremiah Love. Can you blame Notre Dame for targeting the unbelievable running back versus the very good running back?
49:42The answer is you can't blame them for that.
49:45The second part is, yes, it's the same system largely in Seattle, but it's a play caller that I know zero about.
49:51And Brian Fleury, he was hired as a from the Niners as there, he was previously their tight ends coach.
49:57I thought they were going to go internal. They interviewed like every offensive staff member and then hired externally did Seattle.
50:03I don't know what his preference is, but if last year is any indication, it is going to be a little bit of everybody gets to eat.
50:10So I'm a little lower than Daniel. I hear you.
50:13But this tier is tricky. That offensive coordinator in Seattle is very good friends with me.
50:18I mean, we're basically brothers. And I think that he's given me the feel that we're going to be okay with Jadarion Price on this one.
50:25Yeah. So I go and fish in together. We we we should.
50:28TJ Hawkinson and Brian Fleury. Yes. Never been spotted in the same place.
50:32If if I shaved my head, I would look like Brian Fleury.
50:36And if he put on a wig, he would look like me.
50:39So like where that's just go check out the photos.
50:42Mina Kimes tweeted it yesterday. So go check out.
50:44Oh, really? Yes. Oh, crap. It was it was very funny.
50:47So I love it. All right. Let's keep moving on, though.
50:51Who do you have? Oh, actually, we're going to throw it up.
50:54Yeah. Congrats. This was her feed. So it was me tweeting out a video.
50:58And then right above that was the quarterback or the OC.
51:01That's amazing. You know, good looking men. Just no just no beard care.
51:05What do I have to say about that? Would you ever cut your hair, though?
51:09Yeah. You would cut your hair. I'm getting a haircut today.
51:12I'm not going to go all the way down.
51:15I'm getting a trim. I'm taking off the, you know, some of the loose ends and all that.
51:20Yeah. Yeah. No one's going to notice it because the hair is always pulled up.
51:24I want to see like a full. I'll come in as the guy who hasn't cut his hair in months.
51:30I'll put it down. I'll put it down tomorrow.
51:32I'll come in a hair down. We'll do that.
51:35We'll have a good time. Where do we leave off?
51:38Quinch on Judkins. We're flexing on them. Yeah. Flex on them.
51:41Okay. Let's do it. Here is tier six. But Tony Pollard, Ramondre Stevenson, Travion Henderson, Kenny Gainwell, Jalen Warren, Aaron Jones, and Rashad White.
51:48These are RBs 20 through 20. No, that's lower than that.
51:51These are guys who are, the numbers say RB 20 through 26 is actually a little bit lower than that.
51:57But bottom line, these are flex players for me.
51:59And I want to talk about the Patriots backfield.
52:02Please. Plenty of, I've seen it. I don't know that it's unanimous, but there are definitely people in the camp of Travion Henderson is ready for liftoff.
52:09And he's a clearly better performer than Ramondre Stevenson.
52:12And he had some monster games last year. He definitely did.
52:15And he's one of the fastest players in the NFL.
52:18Best ball. Love him. Yep. He's going to have a few absolutely dominant games where he rushes the ball 12 times and
52:24turns it into 145 yards and a touchdown or two.
52:27The guy's super talented. I'm just not convinced he's going to have a gigantic role like some people think.
52:33I think Ramondre Stevenson, it's going to be the starter.
52:35Yeah. I think Ramondre Stevenson's going to lead the Patriots in rushing attempts.
52:39I think he's going to lead the Patriots in total snaps played.
52:43I think he's going to be right there with Travion Henderson in terms of receptions as well.
52:47So I think Ramondre is way less exciting. And I don't think there's nearly as much weekly upside, but I think he's
52:54got too much of a role to have Travion ranked much higher than this.
52:58You guys more optimistic on Travion than me? I am not.
53:01Okay. I want to be. Yeah. I wish that I was.
53:04I think this kid clearly stands out as the most talented running back in this tier.
53:08And if anyone in this tier were to have a backfield to themselves, I think he was the one that we would
53:15be ranking the highest on a weekly basis. If it was Travion Henderson, for sure.
53:19The problem is all the things that you said.
53:22Yeah. He's going to have some games where he finally gets unlocked in the second half because they bench Ramondre Stevenson for fumbling twice in the first half.
53:29The sideline. And you know that he's going to have some big games.
53:33But Ramondre Stevenson is, they will not quit him.
53:36They just won't. Yeah. Period. And so because of that, I think if I'm gaslighting myself, if I tell myself that Travion
53:42Henderson is ready for liftoff, I don't think the Patriots are showing us that.
53:46You made an interesting point about the fumbles the other day.
53:49I think that that's also kind of stuck in people's.
53:52It's stuck in my head. Yeah. It bothered the Patriots less than it bothers us on the outside.
53:57Right? The last thing I would say too is maybe an obscure reference, but bear with me.
54:02Do you guys recall when Tony Pollard was starting to rise and Zeke Elliott was still with the Cowboys and not like,
54:08you know, totally washed, but also sort of hanging on, but not nearly his prime player.
54:13Yes. You're like, why do the Cowboys keep giving Zeke all the heavy workload and all the goal line opportunities when Tony
54:19Pollard comes in and he gets eight carries, he turns him into 84 yards and a touchdown.
54:24Why is he not playing every down? There could be some of that with this backup.
54:28I don't know that Ramondre Stevenson, he's never been at the level of Zeke, obviously.
54:33And we'll see what Travion Henderson's ultimate career trajectory is.
54:36But for now it's, we're going to see plays in which Travion Henderson electrifies a stadium and you're asking for more.
54:42And yet the next week, I still expect Ramondre Stevenson to be on the field when the Patriots have their first offensive snap.
54:48I think that is super fair. It's a rank of restraint, which I completely respect.
54:52I have one quick question before we move on to tier seven here, field gates.
54:57Rashad White. Yeah. Right now, JCM is, is listed air quotes listed as the RB one.
55:01Do you think there's a chance that Rashad White could push as like the RB one with every down work in this offense?
55:08I tell you, I think there's something to be said for Rashad White here in Washington.
55:12I just, it's a way better pass catcher. Bill, JCM, Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt, also known as Bill.
55:17Love that. I just, you know, he's, he's got a very specific role.
55:21If you're optimistic on this offense and you think he can be Brian Robinson two years ago, where he scored all these
55:27rushing touchdowns from the goal line and in, then yes, maybe he can be a top 20-ish running back.
55:32I'm not as optimistic on this offense. Rashad White, like Jaden Daniels, spent time at Arizona State in college.
55:38I think there's a little bit of a familiarity and connection there.
55:41And White, obviously a very effective pass catcher, not a particularly efficient runner, but too much passing game volume for me to have him ranked lower than JCM.
55:49I was going to say, we don't have, we haven't talked about JCM.
55:53So you got Rashad White ranked ahead of him as of right now.
55:56Okay. All right. Let's move ahead. Tier seven, eight, nine field.
56:00We can rip through these. Yeah. These are deeper leak flexes starting in tier seven.
56:04Kyle Manunga, we've talked about him plenty. Love him.
56:06J.K. Dobbins, R.J. Harvey going back to back. Those guys kind of cannibalize the value of each other.
56:11Here we go. Dowdle, who has been trending up of late at Steelers camp, Blake Corum.
56:16And then Jonathan Brooks. Liz is one of her guys.
56:19Blake Corum is an example. Like these guys kind of need something to happen to the player in front of them for
56:25you to really actually want to have them in your lineup.
56:28Yes. Right. Like Blake Corum, it might have a couple of games this year where he gets 13 carries and turns it
56:35into 85 yards and a touchdown, but you're not going to know when that's going to happen.
56:39And he might also turn those 13 carries into 41 yards with zero targets in that game.
56:44These are important guys to have on your bench.
56:47If you were to ask me which of these players could overtake the starter as things currently look, I think there's a
56:53world in which Rico Dattle is the lead running back for the Steelers.
56:57I think there's a world in which Kyle Manunga plays a much healthier role for the Bears.
57:02But going into the season, there's too much of a roadblock to have these guys ranked higher.
57:06Agreed. But they are great values, I think, field.
57:09This tier seven is a really good value range if you want to grab some insurance running backs or guys that could
57:15outperform their ADP in the second half of the season or anything happens.
57:19Or wally pip the running back ahead of them.
57:22The guy ahead of them. Yep. I probably should put Jonathan Brooks in that category of guys that could leapfrog.
57:27I just, I'm a Chuba Hubbard believer that he is the guy to begin the season.
57:32Just, he does everything pretty well, Chuba. Okay. Not a lot of things off the charts good, but everything pretty well.
57:38All right. So these guys that we're talking about now are officially bench guys, guys that are just kind of like stash and holds to see what happens.
57:46I mean, guys, we're low here on the rankings.
57:48You know, like these are the kind of players where, yeah, I mean, here's, here's running back tier eight, which is valuable
57:55holds and valuable might be a little bit jealous.
57:57Todd J. Spears, Zach Charbonnet, Tyrone Tracy Jr., Jacory Krosky-Meritt, Jordan Mason, Tyler Algier, and my guy Keaton Mitchell.
58:03Right? Like these guys all, like these are like 16 team bi-week players in some cases.
58:07Great. We're looking at like the 14th, 15th round in terms of ADP when these players are coming off boards.
58:13So names to know for sure. A couple of these guys have more appeal than others.
58:17I will just say my Keaton Mitchell point is less about the standalone value that I anticipate for Keaton Mitchell, more about
58:24how I think he's enough of a thing that I'm lower on Amari and Hampton.
58:28So that's sort of the Keaton Mitchell of it all for me, but just names to know at tier eight.
58:34I like it. And tier nine hold just holds to have just in case Justice Hill, Woody Marks, Isaiah Pacheco, Samaje Pirine.
58:40Anything you want to say on Pacheco, Liz? I mean, Daniel has Pacheco points as well.
58:44I'll let the. Do you want to talk about it or do we tease facts versus feelings?
58:49Because we talked about Isaiah Pacheco. I got the notification for facts versus feelings.
58:53It's out right now. There was one. I didn't even know that.
58:57Look at that. I have my phone off. Yeah, I think I love Isaiah Pacheco because he's going to play that Monty role.
59:03David Montgomery had standalone value. And I do not believe I want to say that right away.
59:08I do not believe Isaiah Pacheco will have standalone value as a running back in this offense.
59:13Yeah. But I do believe that if Jameer Gibbs is not there, that he would take over that David Montgomery role who
59:19saw Monty have 15, 12 and eight touchdowns. That's what I'm looking for as an offense that can get a running back in the end zone.
59:27And if anything happened to Jameer Gibbs in the number two offense in the NFL, I think we should be talking about
59:33Isaiah Pacheco as a more valuable insurance running back than we are.
59:36Do you think Isaiah Pacheco will score more rushing touchdowns than Brees Hall?
59:40Seven and a half. He's under on. He's under.
59:42I do not. I'm saying no. I'm going to say, yeah.
59:46It's an interesting conversation. Well, that would be a heck of a plot twist.
59:50David Montgomery has done it all three years. Montgomery had eight rushing scores last season, RB12 in that category.
59:55And that was with reduced volume and dealing with injuries.
59:58But wouldn't it be wild if Pacheco and Hall both managed, let's say, eight rushing scores?
60:02That would be insane. I like it. All right.
60:05We got a couple of questions here towards the end of the show really quickly.
60:09Let's dive in. And a big shout out again to our buddy Eric Moody.
60:13Follow him on social media at Eric and Moody for all of the good stuff that you need.
60:18This one comes from Jordan Olson wants to know, AJ Brown or Rashi Rice, guys?
60:23Well, Jordan, they both cracked tier two for my wide receiver rankings yesterday.
60:26Available wherever you get your podcasts or on the QR code, which you can scan probably.
60:31Just go check the playlist. AJ Brown has, I believe, more upside than Rashi Rice.
60:35But Rashi Rice is the better bet for 100 catches this year.
60:39I have them. I have Rice ranked ahead of Brown.
60:41I do, too. I have Rice eight. I have Brown 10.
60:45But I think this also depends on your roster construction and what you want at this point.
60:49Agreed. With the way that your heart decides you want to go in.
60:53If you're OK with a little bit of risk, then Rashi Rice is a really great option.
60:58If you are like, I want to mitigate all risk as much as possible, AJ Brown is a fantastic shot for you.
61:04All right. A couple more questions here from our chat.
61:07This one comes from the big kid three. Do you like Roma Dune Day or Luther Burden?
61:12Oh, my goodness. You said that the question you get the most this offseason is who are you taking 1.01?
61:18The question Liz gets the most this offseason is which Bears wide receiver do you like more?
61:22I came from Chicago to here, so I got it a ton.
61:26My mom is retiring from the bench and every single person who came.
61:30I thought you were going to say your mom was asking you which one you're supposed to take.
61:35My mom has her. You probably has asked. My mom is a Rome believer.
61:39Okay. She loves her alphas, as do I. I will say I'm not going to answer and my answer is Colston Loveland
61:45and that is what I am sticking with. Okay.
61:47So my answer also Colston Loveland, but I have Roma Dune Day ranked ahead of Luther Burden III.
61:53I also have Roma Dune Day ranked ahead and I would also go with Colston Loveland if I was going to take a pass.
61:59Good answer is there. So I like it. I like it.
62:03All right. Another question that we have here from our chat.
62:06Thank you so much for hanging out with everybody in chat asking us these questions.
62:10Next one we have here. Stand by. This one comes from Terry again.
62:14Trim it all. I don't think so, Terry. Mama Dopp, who is in chat right now, would not be pleased.
62:19Oh, my gosh. Oh, that is so sweet. That's so funny.
62:22I did not even realize this was coming up.
62:25Also, I love a boo. We don't boo enough.
62:28Yeah. A boo is great. I love it. Shout out to Mama Dopp for hanging out in chat.
62:33Shout out to Mama Dopp. How's she feeling? Doing great.
62:36Doing great. Mama Dopp had a big surgery this off season, came back.
62:39She has now returned to performance, not just returned to play.
62:42So she's in a really good spot. You have to put her in your absolute legends tier.
62:47That's right. She would be. She is the person that I named that tier after.
62:51That. Oh, my gosh. Perfect way to close the show.
62:54Oh, my gosh. All right. We're coming back tomorrow.
62:57We're talking quarterbacks and tight end tiers. Field's going to bring it.
63:00Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun again.
63:03And one last show with Liz Loza here in person.
63:06So make sure you come back. I'm going to work out with us.
63:10We're going to try. Hopefully we can keep Mike out of here.
63:13With that, we love you guys. Make sure you come back and hang out with us tomorrow.
63:18Don't forget to love each other and be kind to yourself.
63:21You deserve it. We'll see you guys on Friday.
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