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0:21You're in the 06010. Welcome to Fantasy Focus Football alongside Mike Clay and Field Yates.
0:25Good for both of you guys being ready and prepared for that intro.
0:29I was waiting to see if you reach down and touch your ears.
0:33I'm good this time. Fantasy Focus Football. I tried to do a little bit of the voice.
0:37Oh, you did? Yeah. Yeah, I was ready today.
0:40I checked my phone right before the music ended.
0:42I had my mic ready. I took an allergy pill before the show today, so hopefully I could hold up and speak today.
0:48What the problem was? Was it allergies yesterday? Yeah, certain times of the years.
0:52Why don't you guys get that too? Wait. Pollen and get a little congestion.
0:56But it's usually springtime for us to wing them.
0:58I don't know. I get it. I get it.
1:01Hit or miss. It's random. I think this is the thing.
1:04I know what it is. Clay eye is just susceptible to viruses is probably what the thing is.
1:09It could be. I was trying to weave in a joke like Mike is allergic to B.
1:14Robinson's after last night. We'll talk about that game.
1:16And I would like to formally issue an apology.
1:18Oh, wow. I'm preemptively announcing said apology because it comes once we get into our Monday Night Football Recap.
1:24Yeah, very excited about that. We got Monday Night Football Recap.
1:27We're going to dive into the waiver wire here and a bunch of other fun segments like we always pay off starts of the week and whatnot.
1:34But with that, let's get in. By the way, do you want to talk about the news of Joe Mixon getting signed by the Seattle Seahawks?
1:41We can mention it. Here's what I would say.
1:44You think it matters? And we mentioned it. No, here's where I think it matters.
1:48It's not that I think Joe Mixon has standalone value.
1:50It's that I felt like there was a chance.
1:53I don't know about a strong chance, but a chance that Zach Charbonnet could return and take hold of this backfield enough
1:59that he might matter in 10-team leagues. If there's a world in which you have Zach Charbonnet and Emmanuel Wilson and George
2:05Helani probably playing on passing down backs and Joe Mixon, because they didn't bring him to the practice.
2:10Joe Mixon's not going to go to Seattle's practice squad to sit there for the year and just play scout team.
2:16He went somewhere with the idea that he could probably play soon.
2:19And Jadarian Price is not a season-ending injury. You're going to have at least four backs that matter on the active roster in given weeks.
2:26It may be that yesterday was further confirmation that by far the most likely outcome for the Seattle backfield is it's a stay away.
2:32Like enjoy the Emmanuel Wilson ride you had this past week and probably will have again this week because Zach Charbonnet is not going to play.
2:39Because sooner rather than later, it's just going to be too many cooks in the kitchen.
2:44Yeah, we'll talk more about this backfield I think here in waivers.
2:47But I think at some point this year, assuming their top guys get back to health, it'll settle into two guys.
2:53I don't know if it's going to be Charbonnet and Price or Charbonnet and Mixon.
2:57Because look, maybe Mixon just gets cut loose. You know, he didn't play last year.
3:01Yeah. It's possible it doesn't work out. We see that all the time.
3:05So situation to monitor, but this is definitely a week-by-week proposition.
3:08By the way, a state of how banged up they are.
3:11They also are signing Robert Henry Jr. from the Commander's Practice Club.
3:14Oh, Bob Henry. Which is not that I'm like, hey, you know, he was a talented runner at UTSA.
3:19He had some things in his background. But they have to keep him on the roster for three weeks because of eligibility rules in the NFL.
3:26So for the next three weeks, they're carrying him.
3:29They're carrying Emmanuel Wilson and George Helani. Like maybe that's a sign that Zach Charbonnet, who's not going to play this week,
3:35might still be like two or three weeks away.
3:37So very cloudy backfield in Seattle will address Emmanuel Wilson's value in waivers.
3:41Hey, is there a cloudy backfield in Atlanta with the way that these two were used this last night, guys?
3:46Let's talk about the Falcons. Do you want me to do my apology right now or no?
3:51You know what field I do? Okay. All right.
3:53So you guys can flash the final score graphic because it goes hand in hand.
3:57I thought about doing a recap of that time a couple weeks ago when I went on.
4:02I wouldn't call it a rant, but I did have some thoughts on why on earth did the NFL schedule maker wake
4:08up really mad one morning and deliver us not one, not two, but three straight primetime games with the Atlanta Falcons.
4:14Thursday night football last week. Correct. Monday night football this week.
4:17Yes. And Sunday night football against the Ravens this upcoming week, by the way.
4:20I'm thinking to myself, really? The Falcons? I owe them an apology to the entire Falcons organization, to the city of Atlanta, to B.
4:27John Robinson specifically. Yes. My God, you guys aren't just a team that I enjoy watching.
4:31Like, you're one of the most enjoyable teams to watch in the NFL right now because you have an identity.
4:37That running game is absolutely off the charts. So I apologize to Atlanta and to the Falcons for doubting your squad.
4:43I can't wait to watch them now on Sunday night against the Ravens.
4:46And that mostly means the running game because B.
4:49John Robinson is preposterous. The 59-yard run at the beginning of the game last night, there's no way that Bijan Bijan Robinson
4:55is that fast when he's also not efforting at all.
4:57No. He didn't look like he was trying. It looked like he was jogging.
5:01Yes. And the next thing you know, he's 10 yards further down the field from any other player.
5:06How is this possible? Yes. It looked like when Mike is playing football with his daughters in the backyard and he's just so much faster than they are.
5:14No, not even that much faster. That's, yeah. No, no.
5:17They get me on a shoestring tackle. I can't get away anymore.
5:20He's amazing. He had only one catch last night for two yards and he still went for 27.7.
5:25We were having this conversation briefly before the show, re-litigating that number one overall pick.
5:29It doesn't really matter, right? We kept saying him and Jameer Gibbs, don't waste your energy on that decision.
5:34Waste your energy on your second, third, fourth, fifth, et cetera picks.
5:37Yeah. And Jameer has outscored him in three or four games and he is the number one scoring player in fantasy.
5:43Excuse me. Second highest scoring player in fantasy. Number one is Jackson Smith and Jigba.
5:47But it's not like Bijan has been anything other than brilliant.
5:50No, he's awesome. What a joy it is to watch Bijan.
5:53Yeah. He's been fantastic. Exactly what you said. Nothing more to add there.
5:57Although guys, he didn't even lead his team in touchdowns.
5:59He didn't even lead his team in rushing touchdowns.
6:02He wasn't even the highest scoring Robinson. No. There were better B.
6:05Robinsons on the squad. Yeah. The people who accidentally drafted Brian Robinson did okay.
6:09Yeah. Told you so. Did all right. I mean, you weren't starting him, but maybe in best ball or something.
6:14But yeah, 14 carries, 62 yards and three touchdowns for Brian Robinson.
6:18That one stung as some, you and I were going head to head with Alave and Drake London.
6:23And you, we were what, you were up three going into the night.
6:26You ended up beating me. But the Falcons scored 45 points and Drake London did not find the end zone.
6:32So I ended up coming up a little bit short in this one.
6:35But yeah. What is it now? Five, six, seven, eight rushing, two passing touchdowns for Atlanta since Michael Penix has come back.
6:41Amazing. So here's what I would say about the Falcons.
6:44Like Bijan's amazing. Brian Robinson, incredibly valuable insurance back.
6:46Obviously, he is a good player. Drake London, five for 94.
6:49This reminds me of what I said about JSN yesterday where I was like, man, it tells you how good JSN is
6:55that he goes for five for 76. And you're like, damn it.
6:59Drake London's awesome. Five for 94 is a good number for him.
7:02It just felt a little bit disappointing after the 194 yards he had last week.
7:06But for the Falcons, it is Bijan and Drake London.
7:09That's it. Because another quiet night there for Kyle Pitts to the point that Micah Parsons is tweeting, free Kyle Pitts.
7:15Last night. Three targets. Yeah, he wasn't even playing early on in this game.
7:18Yeah, they brought it up. It sounded like maybe a coach's decision.
7:22Yeah. I don't know what's going on. It's wild.
7:24He seems like you're watching him. You know there's been a lot of commentary on Marvin Harrison Jr.
7:29And there's just not much energy there. Like, I actually do see that from Kyle Pitts.
7:33He's like hyping up his teammates when he's scoring.
7:36Like, he's involved. But like, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
7:40By the way, one more note on Brian Robinson.
7:42You mentioned it's Bijan. It's London. Brian Robinson, not a guy you're running to the waiver.
7:47Why is he still, to your point, does not have standalone value?
7:50No, he had a three-touchdown game. That's not going to be sustainable moving forward.
7:54Or maybe I'm just trying to convince myself of that because you know what I did yesterday in one of my leagues?
8:00You dropped him. I dropped him for a Tyree kill.
8:02No! No, Michael! But I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it because, look, I'm not.
8:07You don't want to be spending on Brian Robinson.
8:09So next week, he's going to have seven carries for 25 yards.
8:13Correct. Yeah, he's going to. I can't wait for us to get a YouTube question that says, would you guys drop Brian Robinson this week for Tyree kill?
8:20It's very, he's very Jordan Mason-y is what I would think of.
8:23Yeah, yeah. Only rostered in 27% of leagues. But like you said, obviously a very valuable insurance back if this is the
8:30way they're going to utilize their running backs. How about the other side of this one?
8:34Let's talk about this game because there are actually like a few more things to take away.
8:39Yeah. Till Travis H. And returns. Sure feels like it's going to be the Alvin Kamara show.
8:43Sure does. Not that he was amazing last night as a runner, but he did have 23 rushing yards and a pair of rushing touchdowns.
8:50More importantly for our purposes, seven targets last night for Kamara.
8:53Tons of volume for Tyler Shuck. But with the way they play defense, I feel like that's going to be a fairly regular occurrence.
9:00Maybe not this week because they play the Vikings.
9:02But generally, the Saints defense is going to keep them in a lot of shootouts.
9:06So Kamara, the clear guy that is going to be the lead back in this backfield because I got to tell you
9:12guys, I don't, we don't understand the utilization for the Saints backfield.
9:15We haven't so far this season. Why is Kendrick Miller really playing for them even?
9:20I don't know. Hasn't been going well. Six carries, nine yards, 10 yards and three targets.
9:24I mean, it just has not been very good.
9:26But also like at Kamara's age, you can't run him into the ground.
9:30I mean, he's going to be limited. He actually left this game toward the end.
9:34I don't know if he's going to see. Did he leave the game again?
9:38He missed a little time during the game. I don't know where.
9:41He came back. Yeah. I'm sure he'll be fine going forward.
9:44But the point is like at his age, he's not going to be a 20 touch guy.
9:49So there's room for someone else. And it's probably going to be Kendrick Miller for the time being.
9:54He was terribly far behind him. Jamal Williams. Yeah.
9:56The truth is what it should be is when he's healthy, it should be the Travis Achan show.
10:01Of course. Like it should be. His Saints shouldn't have wavered on that from the jump.
10:05I don't know why they did. But it's a Kamara show.
10:08And then for the pass catchers, like Chris Olave, the guy's awesome.
10:12Like he just whatever, every week is going to be wide receiver six and you're not going to blink.
10:17Do we think Devon Vele has enough value to be a flex weekly?
10:20Or is it like it was a lot of late production in garbage time last night?
10:25What do you guys think? To your point, though, they're going to keep throwing the ball.
10:29It's going to go to three guys and he's one of them.
10:33So until Jordan Tyson's back, yeah, I think he's in the flex.
10:36I think now that we have bye weeks coming up, you're going to start having a smaller player pool.
10:41So I would be with Mike on that. My question is.
10:44We've seen all four games so far. Love that.
10:46Nine last night. And Tyson, by the way, did you guys see the update yesterday?
10:51I did. I was just going to bring that up.
10:53Fire away. Jordan Tyson, when we get, it's going to be a little bit longer than we had initially planned or we
10:59had talked about at the start of this season.
11:02So yeah, it's still weeks away. Yep. So we're in a spot where if you were wondering, hey, should I maybe try
11:08to sell high on Devon Valet before Jordan Tyson comes back?
11:11We have weeks until we get to that point.
11:13I think you just keep riding it as a potential flex option for your squad.
11:17That was the thought. I remember when the Tyson news came out, the thought was, at least this is what I put
11:23on social and Saints fans didn't like it, but I believe it's a week eight bye for them.
11:28Yeah. So week nine was probably the most logical target for them, which would put him right on track based on the latest report.
11:35By the way, we're going to get into this hopefully at some point this week, but the new look strength of schedule charts come out this week.
11:42I'm pumped to drop these. They're going to be really cool.
11:45It's awesome. But so far, Saints, just a little preview here.
11:48Fifth easiest for quarterbacks and receivers so far. 26th going forward for both spots.
11:52So should tighten up a little bit on them, which is something interesting to keep in mind.
11:57That could move Valet down a little bit, Valet down a little bit moving forward.
12:01But again, we'll get into that as we go.
12:03What a quagmire of a team they are. I did pick the Falcons last night.
12:07You guys may recall that. No big deal. Yeah.
12:10But this Saints team came in with big expectations and Tyler Shucks got a lot of numbers through four games, but it
12:16felt like, again, it feels a little bit like circumstantial stat production.
12:19They just kick themselves in the shin for the first half of these games, find themselves down big.
12:24And next thing you know, it's like, okay, Tyler Shucks got 286 passing yards.
12:28It looks good when you go to the ESPN.com stats page and you're like, wow, he's second to the NFL in passing
12:34yards through basically a quarter of the season. But don't feel like that offense is playing to expectation through the first four games.
12:40Who are you guys taking to win the NFC South based off what we've seen through four?
12:45Oh, man. Panthers, Falcons, both two and two. Saints one and three.
12:48Bucs oh and four. Not the Bucs. I wanted it to be the Bucs, but I'm writing the Bucs off.
12:54Okay. I guess the Panthers. I think so. I mean, Panthers.
12:57Oh, Falcons. No way. Yeah. Oh, man. If Penix keeps playing like this, it's going to be the thought.
13:02You know what's wild is they spent two first round picks on edge rushers last year and neither of them are a part of this team right now.
13:09And they're still holding down the fort defensively. Doing a great job.
13:13The offense is maybe Penix has just made the leap.
13:15There's a lot to like here. Yeah. You know what?
13:18Probably lean Falcons at this point. One last question before we move on from this one.
13:23Do you think that Mike gets more excitement out of buying Christmas presents for his children or coming up with the strength
13:29of schedule full screens that we're going to see later on this week?
13:32Well, which one like brings him. Do you want me to answer that honestly?
13:36Yeah, I will. The Christmas present thing. It's fun, but also it's stressful.
13:39It's taxing. Yeah, it's okay. All right. There's a lot of planning that goes expensive.
13:44So, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Tough call. I'm still on this though.
13:47Yeah. Panther. Just like a machine. Can you give us one little preview?
13:51We have like one player you think benefits the most based off.
13:54I'm not ready yet. Okay. I'm not ready yet.
13:56Okay. I literally just put all this together this morning, so we'll save it.
14:00All right. I'm not ready yet. Not Tyler Shuck, apparently.
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15:11We'll see you there. Alright guys, we're going to dive into Starts of the Week next.
15:16You know, we got a little bit of information though about a Starts of the Week punishment we had from last week.
15:22I'd like for you guys to watch this. We're out of time.
15:25Alright guys, well thanks to the corporate overlords, we are no longer allowed to do the beer mile, which was going to
15:31be a lot of fun for some people. It wouldn't have been fun for me, I would have done it, but it
15:37wouldn't have been a ton of fun. But they said no.
15:40They put the kibosh on it and said you are not allowed to do that anymore.
15:44And so I have to spin the wheel and do something else.
15:48Luckily for me, I get to stay late for work and do this while Field and Mike have already gone home.
15:53So that's great for them. We're going to head into the studio right now though.
15:58You got to push the button in order to make it work.
16:01Did you know that when the hair grows back on your leg, it also kind of hurts then too?
16:06So it's like a double punishment. I didn't know that.
16:09That's fun to find out. I really didn't know that.
16:11So anyways, here we go. Another wheel spin. All right, guys.
16:14Smelling salt! No! Guys! I care about what I put into my body.
16:18Can't you tell? Oh, this is going to be terrible.
16:21I have smelling salts right here in front of us.
16:23And I'm going to go through and because Mike is going to, someone else is going to have a spin the wheel.
16:29Either Mike or Field is going to have a thing.
16:32Oh, you just said. I'm going to go through and...
16:35Can we ask a couple questions before we do so?
16:38All of the lineups. Yeah. Can I ask you a question?
16:41Have you ever done smelling salts as a football player?
16:43Okay. Do you have any tips you want to give me?
16:46Well, so we used to... I used to... When I was working for the Patriots, I'm not going to lie to you guys.
16:53Hold on, Field. You dropped that. Just a second.
16:55No big deal. A name dropper. No, no, no.
16:58But seriously, when you're like an 18-year-old hanging around the players, and these guys are doing smelling salts, you think you're cool.
17:04You're like, I got this. And it strips, right?
17:06Yes. Aaron Rodgers still does them right before the game.
17:09You see them all the time. They're little cylinders, right?
17:12They look like really long, skinny pillows. You crack them, hit the ammonia.
17:15It's ammonia that's inside of there. And it just wakes you up real fast, and it gets you focused.
17:20It gets you wired. It lasts like 30 seconds.
17:23But for those 30 seconds, it's kind of cool.
17:25You're in it. Yeah. So do you have strips, or do you have...
17:29What do you have? I think it's not strips.
17:31This is just like salts inside of here. And so I'm going to open this up.
17:36I'm going to have a comparable effect. Yeah. It's not fun, but it's kind of a weird sensation.
17:41Well, I don't think that was the point. I don't think fun was the point of the punishment.
17:45What is the point if it's only 30 seconds?
17:48I mean, it's just like to get your brain focused.
17:51Then you let the adrenaline of the game kind of get it on.
17:54Or also, listen, you're getting smacked around. Sometimes it just wakes you up.
17:58Okay. Okay. All right. That's fair. All right, guys.
18:00Well, I'm going to read starts of the week and tell you how everyone did.
18:04I'm going to do a hit of smelling salts before I read every single lineup.
18:08So we're going to start with whose lineup first.
18:11I believe yours, Daniel. I'm going to start with mine.
18:14All right. My lineup first. Whoa. Oh, that is gross.
18:16That's all you had to do. Oh, I'm getting a little whiff of it over here, too.
18:21All right. I'll put the lid back on. My starts of the week.
18:25I don't mind it. I'm not going to lie to you.
18:28I'm going to say, quarterback, you are a sicko.
18:30Tyler Shuck, 15.9 fantasy points. I got bailed out by a touchdown late in that game.
18:34This might be the best starts of the week lineup all year.
18:38Jeremiah Love, 6.5. Terro and McMillan, 45.2. That was half of your points.
18:41And 22.4 points from Sam Laporta on the other side of that game.
18:45Total of 90.4 fantasy points. That was a good one.
18:48Well done. That was a good one. Well done.
18:50All right. I like how you're being punished while showing that lineup.
18:53Yeah. It's tough, right? Oh, that one was worse.
18:56That one was worse. I did more. Because the first time I took it a little easy, it really is.
19:01Field starts of the week. This one was trending in the right way.
19:05Marcus Mariota was not great. Unfortunately, he got banged up and left the game early.
19:095.34. Aaron Jones, 16.8. Chris Olave, 19.6. Another nice outing.
19:12And George Kittle, rumbling, bumbling, and stumbling his way to the end zone.
19:1517 fantasy points. 58.74 for the entire week. Way to go field with that one.
19:19Don't do it again. That Marcus Mariota, I feel like that Marcus Mariota one, I was worried when that happens.
19:25I'm like, God. Oh, you're not. Oh, yeah. It starts before it even begun.
19:29Because those are like three other guys at 16 plus.
19:31It's not bad. Is that safe to keep doing that?
19:34I don't know. I'm trying to see if it says.
19:37I think you're good on two. Don't do. Brief inhalation.
19:39Do not exceed 10 times in 24 hours. So we're good, guys.
19:43We're all right. You have seven more to go.
19:45All right. Best one. It really smells like cat urine.
19:48Like super unbelievable. Oh, and you have cats. Cat urine.
19:51So bad. People do this for fun on a football field?
19:54Okay. So counterpoint. How wired do you feel right now?
19:56I'm like, I'm going to be good to go for the show.
20:00But my gosh. All right. Here's Mike's lineup. Bryce Young, 21.46.
20:03That was good. Then Bucky Irving, 6.1. Nope. Then Josh Downs, 4.6.
20:06Nope. Then Darren Waller. I definitely talked Mike into that trick.
20:096.6 fantasy points. 38.76. I think Tedderall McMillan outscored your entire team.
20:12Didn't you do that to me once earlier this year, Mike?
20:15But I wasn't paying attention. Oh, okay. Gotcha. I have some excuse, though, that I could fire up.
20:20Yes. I'm sure that you do. I think what we talked about with that lineup is I went very matchup heavy.
20:26And I knew on paper, I remember talking about this last week, didn't look like the best squad, but I was thinking matchups.
20:32All about the matchups that did not work out for me last week.
20:36You want to hit? Do it. No way. I don't think it's kicked in anymore.
20:40No, I'm good. I don't think it's strong enough anymore.
20:43You don't think it's strong enough anymore? It needs like a refurbishing of them.
20:46Uh-oh. You lost me at cat urine. You want to try?
20:49I think he's saying it's not really that strong.
20:52Do you want to try it? Nope. It's not my punishment.
20:55What are you trying to do? Are you going to share my punishment with me?
20:59I might have to. If you get the right thing, then you will have to.
21:03All right. So, Mike Clay, you're going to spin the wheel for setting the worst lineup here in week four.
21:09What do you got, buddy? Mike, your punishment is going to be, and for those listening at home, That was a really nicely gentle spin.
21:15Oh, my God! Are you kidding me? That is so lame.
21:18Man, he whacks the leg into smelling salts, and you get safe?
21:22What a perfect spin. You know what you said?
21:24I took a nice safe spin, landed right on safe.
21:27Nailed it. I am so mad at it. I'm so mad at it right now.
21:31Are you kidding me? Do my smelling salts. No.
21:33I can't on principle now. I can't punish myself.
21:36Did you run a projection of, like, how much muscle and force you have to put in the net?
21:41Oh, my gosh. I'm so mad. Yes. Damn it.
21:44That's how it's done, folks. Right there. Okay? That's how it's done.
21:47Good process with the lineup and the football gods.
21:49So how about this? It's like... I am so sorry for Daniel.
21:53Let's just recap through four weeks what's happened to Daniel at the start of the week.
21:57First week, I lose. Yes. You get double punishment.
21:59We spin once. We get shared punishment. Yes. We spin it again.
22:03We get shared punishment. Then we get neck tattoos.
22:05Yes. Which for you is not really a punishment.
22:08But still, you had to take part in it.
22:10I had to do it. Right? Yeah. Second week, you lose.
22:13Third week, you lose. Fourth week, Mike loses and gets no punishment.
22:16Yes. Well, you both did smelling salts. Let's have a conversation with the start of the week.
22:21Seems rigged. Yes. I agree. How has Daniel failed you in the past?
22:25What have I done? How has he sinned, Father?
22:27Well, thank you, Field. I mean, in two of those four cases, you set the worst lineup.
22:32So that's just how it goes. Oh, my gosh.
22:34Let's talk about some long shots here. I did take a shot here with the Panthers tight end.
22:39Did not work out in Tommy Tremble. Field, I think you went with Alec Iomanor in this one.
22:44Yep. Didn't work out. Mike did another thing that we've been doing all year, though.
22:48You set a guy that actually played well just in the end zone.
22:52Yeah. Instead of getting scores, we're getting good fantasy plays somehow.
22:55Field played Kalief Raymond in one in a crush.
22:57We need to start saying start these guys as sleepers in fantasy or DFS.
23:01It's trended toward that. But we are burying the lead because producer Q.
23:04He thought about this one long and hard. Pick Tori Horton who got in the end zone, baby!
23:09Let's go! I'm not going to lie. Okay. So, like, really well done by Q because I don't exactly know what the thought process is for Tori Horton.
23:17Right? Like, Tori Horton wasn't really playing very much.
23:19It feels like every pass goes to JSN. Yep.
23:22And I guess the reality is that when you're drafting or picking players that are available in over 99.5% of leagues, there is no process.
23:29It's just good luck. So, nailed it by Q.
23:31Hopefully, he bet the end-of-time touchdown as well. He absolutely did.
23:34He did? Oh, let's go Q! Okay, Q! Q was in on it.
23:38All right. So, that was a lot of fun.
23:40All right. Wait, does that count? Do we move it down to two now?
23:44Or is it? It does count? Yeah, that counts.
23:47So, now you've got to be available in 98, 99.75%.
23:49So, 0.3 or under. Just 0.3 or under. That seems weird.
23:52I think so. Yeah. Okay. They're rounded on the site.
23:55Again, just like if you've been tailing these picks to hit twice in four weeks, it's a redonkey.
24:00Like, you'd be making money if you bet on all of the picks, right?
24:04Right. So, something to consider. Something to consider. All right.
24:07Let's talk about our Knockout League update really quick.
24:09And our buddy, unfortunately, Matt Bowen did not survive.
24:11Was knocked out in this one. Joe Burrow did him pretty good.
24:15But, unfortunately, Jamar Chase got banged up. Garrett Wilson did not play, unfortunately, very well.
24:19DeAndre Swift also had a tough one. And then he had a couple of goose eggs on the bench.
24:24Do you guys know that Matt Bowen, you guys know this, but America needs to know this.
24:29Matt Bowen's son, Grant, is like one of the top five high school recruits for football in the country.
24:34Yeah. I think we talked about that a few weeks ago.
24:37Between him and Marcus Spears, we have just prodigy children coming from these families.
24:41Well, also, like, your kids are going to have, like, they share DNA with the greatest athlete in Brooks School.
24:46That's true. That's a good call. You know what I mean?
24:49Yeah. That's a good call. Yeah. I'm hoping that college is free for my kids.
24:53Because there's a lot of them. Otherwise, I might be toast.
24:56I'll be doing this podcast until I'm 90 at this rate.
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25:49Call 1-800-GRANGER, clickgrainger.com, or just stop by. Let's dive into the priority waiver wire ads this week, guys.
25:54We're going to start at the quarterback spot. You may have heard us have this story before.
25:59If you're playing the Detroit Lions, you might want to start the quarterback that's playing against them.
26:03Do it. Yes, do it. Jacoby Brissett taking on the Detroit Lions, available in 90% of leagues.
26:08Bryce Young actually scored the fewest points a quarterback has scored against the Lions this last week.
26:13He scored, what, 21.7? 21.5. 21.5. So four-string quarterbacks so far have been top 10 quarterbacks.
26:17You should grab Jacoby Brissett, not just off the waiver wire, you should put him directly into your starting lineup if you need somebody.
26:23Yeah, no doubt. 18.9 fantasy points per game last year.
26:26He hasn't been quite there so far this season.
26:2916.5. Then he's had two duds. 6.5 and 10.4.
26:31Also had a 25.6. And the week he actually got to 25, he required 52 pass attempts.
26:36So the production hasn't been quite as good. 5.4 yards per pass attempt efficiency has been down.
26:40I think the Lions could probably fix a lot of that.
26:43But, you know, I look back. I was kind of curious because Brissett's now at about a full season with Arizona.
26:4916 games now as their starter since taking over for Kyler.
26:5231 total touchdowns. Wow. Yeah, so he got the job done for most of last year.
26:57And he does have two passing touchdowns exactly in two straight.
27:00So he's trending the right way. And again, your Lions, most touchdowns allowed with 11 already through four games.
27:05So I'm with you. Great streamer this week. The chatter is starting to pick up about whether the team will eventually turn the keys over to Carson Beck.
27:12So I'm saying, like, why not do it now?
27:15It's clear this season is going sideways. Don't think it's going to happen in week five.
27:19And if Carson Beck does start in week five, even with that good of a matchup, having never played an NFL regular
27:25season snap before, would not feel nearly as good about the Cardinals offense.
27:29I agree. I think it's a ways down before they make a quarterback change.
27:33Maybe the trade deadline is where it becomes interesting if a team needs a quarterback.
27:37But remember, it's not just about the quarterback. It's also about the skill guys.
27:41And they have to get the ball to Michael Wilson and Trey McBride and Jeremiah.
27:45You know what I mean? So I think we have a little time on this one.
27:49Just a quick note. It does feel like Marvin Harrison Jr.
27:52to the Colts is starting to, like, percolate a little bit.
27:55Which, I don't know if that resurrects his fantasy value.
27:58But is that real or is that just because of the...
28:01I think it's starting to, like... His dad. Like, that's why people are bringing it up or it's a real possible...
28:06No, I think this is, like... I think there's a non-zero chance now.
28:10It's where I think we've graduated to. But there is plenty of pressure on that GM.
28:14So, Chris Ballard. So, you could see some moves.
28:17Yeah. All right. Let's talk about the rest of them because I think we should weave some really important news in here as well, Daniel.
28:24But give us your next priority ad. And if there's anything relevant news-wise, we'll talk about that too.
28:29Yeah, right now. And we kind of talked about this at the top of the show.
28:33But Emmanuel Wilson, if you needed somebody for this week with the way he played last week, would be the guy that we are looking at.
28:40And to reiterate, no Zach Charbonnet this week. Correct.
28:43No Zach Charbonnet this week. And we don't know when he's going to come back.
28:47Still hasn't been designated when we know he will be part of this offense.
28:51I would still add Zach Charbonnet off of waivers if I had an open IR spot.
28:55If I already had someone that I liked in the IR spot, I wouldn't add him.
28:59But I would definitely look at Emmanuel Wilson as the priority ad.
29:03And then we unfortunately found out for the Philadelphia Eagles, Tank Bigsby also got hurt.
29:07So, we're not sure what's going to go on with Saquon Barkley.
29:10We know Tank Bigsby is going to be out for a couple of weeks.
29:14Will Shipley, guys, as someone that you're looking at, how much faith would you have if you had to start Will Shipley?
29:20Mike shook his head no. I mean, there's a ton of volume available because name the Eagles fourth running back.
29:25Have you accounted for this? It's probably going to be Damian Pierce, I would imagine.
29:29But they also have Carson Steele. That's a name from the past.
29:33Carson Steele and Jaden Blue. So, they're the options.
29:35Two of those guys will be up this week, assuming Barkley's week-to-week is out.
29:39We know Bigsby is definitely out. So, my guess is it'll be Shipley.
29:42But this is a guy that's never had 10 carries in a game before.
29:46He's had some passing game involvement so far this season.
29:49I suspect he'll be the leader, but probably maxes out at half the carries.
29:53He's got a couple of targets as well. Yeah, I remember they're playing Jacksonville.
29:57They're allowing 2.8 yards per carry so far. One of the best run defenses in the league.
30:01We just want dump-offs. That's what Will Shipley does, though.
30:04He's a much better pass-catching back, I think. I think you said it quickly.
30:08So, just for those that maybe have missed it.
30:10Saquon Barkley is now week-to-week with the hamstring injury, which, you know, it's not specific.
30:14Like, could he play this week? I guess it's theoretically possible.
30:17I would say week-to-week. If someone is listed week-to-week, I pull them out of the projections.
30:22There's a reason they didn't say day-to-day. Not this week, but potentially as soon as next week.
30:26It did not look good for Saquon Barkley when he pulled up.
30:30And we've seen hamstring injuries cost players multiple weeks on plenty of occasions.
30:33Those would be the only two running backs that we're really looking at so far this week that are going to get
30:39starting runs, and that would be Emmanuel Wilson and Will Shipley.
30:42Anyone else that you guys like? I don't even really like Will Shipley, but he's just another one to add.
30:48I would add this to the Will Shipley conversation.
30:50The volume, I think, might be better than what Mike just mentioned, 50% or so of the snaps or total touches.
30:56I would also note, though, like not all touches and opportunities are created equally.
31:00They're going up against Jacksonville, which Mike just alluded to, and it is like the third-string offensive line he's going to play behind.
31:06In a struggling offense as it is, Lane Johnson will see he missed this past week's game due to personal issues.
31:12Cam Juergens, who is a player that they have been leaning on at center, is now in the concussion protocol.
31:17Landon Dickerson already placed on injured reserve. Daniel's taking smelling salts because he might have to be in there.
31:22I think I'm addicted now, guys. So it's a banged-up offensive line.
31:26They don't play with the fullback, you know, and so it's not like they have different ways to create running lanes there.
31:32It's kind of messy right now, Mike, for your Philadelphia Eagles.
31:35Shipley, I do think, needs to be added because running backs are so paper-thin, but his outlook relative to a guy stepping
31:41into a starting role is not that rosy. Yeah, it's going to be, it could be one week of Shipley, and it might not be very good.
31:48You know, you might not get to double-digit fantasy points, so don't overspend, is what I would say.
31:53I'm not going to go out of my way for Will Shipley unless I absolutely am desperate for an RB2 this week.
31:59And you might be with the injuries, and don't forget Ken Walker and Chuba Hubbard are on a bye.
32:04So you might need him. Because I was going to say to you, like, don't go crazy.
32:09It's not a great waiver-wire week this week, once again.
32:12And Jacoby Brissett only makes sense if you're somebody, like, if you've been starting the likes of Bo Nix or, I'm trying to think, like, Trevor Lawrence.
32:19Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert. One of my lowest-ranked quarterbacks this week.
32:22Who does May get this week? Yeah, Raiders. Drake May.
32:25That one's all right. That one's okay. That one's okay.
32:28But even, like, Jared Goff's a great. He's also a great streamer.
32:31Yeah, I'm just saying, like, yeah. I play him over Jalen Hurts.
32:34I played Jacoby Brissett as a good example, too.
32:37If you have, but if you've already, you know, like, the number of people that have a quarterback that aren't going to mess around with Jacoby Brissett.
32:44Yep. If you have Josh Allen, if you have Lamar, well, Lamar's uncertain.
32:47Yeah, we're in this conversation, though. That's probably some news we should discuss is that Lamar Jackson sounds unlikely to play this week.
32:54Yeah. So we'll talk about Stu Puntley and what that means for the value of Zay Flowers.
32:58That's kind of the only impacted player. If there's a silver lining of sorts of Lamar missing time, it's that Derrick Henry
33:04is still going to be startable, and the Raiders are a one-man passing attack that is a guarantee to be in your lineup.
33:11Mark Andrews on the periphery, but Mark Andrews hasn't exactly been lighting it up with Lamar.
33:15Zay Flowers has been. Yeah, he was—Lamar was one I couldn't read through the words.
33:19It was like something like, it's not a super long-term injury or— I can't remember exactly what the quote was off the
33:25top of my head, but I was like, does that mean— There's been subsequent reporting this morning from Ian Rappaport, which is—
33:31Let's see, let me get the exact terminology from Ian, which is— How many quarterbacks then while field looks this up?
33:37Oh, you got it. Lamar Jackson is dealing with a sprained ankle that gives him only an outside chance to play Sunday against them.
33:44All right, so he'll be out of the projections today.
33:46So Lamar Jackson out of the projections. Well, this is brand new.
33:50Yeah. It's like on the way into the podcast.
33:52Got it, got it, got it. We know we're going to be without Bryce Young and Patrick Mahomes.
33:57There's a good chance you don't want to start Jalen Hurts this week.
34:00You don't want to start Justin Herbert. There's a handful of guys that we would have had inside the top 10 that,
34:06like, now all of a sudden, Jacoby Brissett at least comes into the conversation.
34:10But I want to talk about some wide receivers, guys.
34:13Let's do it. Yeah, these are interesting. Kian Coleman.
34:16Kian Coleman and Dante Myers both—they had really nice games for their squads.
34:19Do you think that there was enough here that this is a potential investment opportunity for something more in the future?
34:25Yeah, well, I mean, worth noting that their opportunities— Yeah, exactly.
34:28That assisted Dante Myers. DJ Moore dealing with that shoulder injury.
34:31That assisted Kian Coleman. So, neither of those guys is a lock to play in Week 5, which means that both of
34:37these players, Dante Myers and Kian Coleman, are both at least a bet.
34:40Yeah, these are both if-thens. Yes, yes. That's a good way to put it, an if-then.
34:45Stole that from our guy Al, his Idenfeld. Yes.
34:47He used that all the time for DFS. Yeah, it's certainly an if-then.
34:51I mean, if the other guy's out, you can consider these guys, but that's it.
34:55I mean, Coleman has one catch for one yard and one catch for 37 yards in the two games Moore has played in full.
35:01The two he's been out, six for 63 and six for 116 in a touchdown.
35:06So, obvious if-then there. By the way, they're playing the Rams, too.
35:09So, even if Moore is out, Coleman is going to have his hands full here.
35:13The Rams are mid-pack in fantasy points to receivers, but that's due to six touchdowns.
35:17It's a little inflated. They've allowed the fewest passing yards this season, and the second lowest EPA against the pass.
35:22So, they've been really tough and only enough to a slow start.
35:26And as for Myers, yeah, he was terrific last season.
35:28Good stat line, seven for 82. Had five targets the week before.
35:32But again, we've talked about this. The problem with playing Miami is that you're not throwing the ball very much.
35:37You don't have to. Miami's allowed one touchdown and the third fewest fantasy points to wide receivers so far.
35:42Only Rasheed Rice has gotten to 11.5 points against them.
35:45He's the only one. So, that's a little bit dangerous, especially if T.
35:49Higgins or Jamar Chase are able to go in this game.
35:52Again, I'm not going to overspend on Myers. I'm more likely to spend up a little on Coleman just because he might actually be breaking out.
35:59Like, at some point, he might emerge as a guy we feel like is a flex option even with DJ Moore because Dalton Kincaid's going the wrong direction.
36:06And Khalil Shakir, we know he's not going to be used near the goal line.
36:11So, it's at least possible Keon Coleman's having a year three breakout.
36:14It's just a guy that you would keep on your bench.
36:17Adam Schefter tweeted yesterday, or maybe it was late Sunday night, that DJ Moore's shoulder injury was a re-aggravation of the prior one.
36:23It is not considered serious. Sorry, it is not considered long-term as of right now.
36:27Okay. Could that be that he is, you know, is he out this week?
36:31I would say not considered long-term right now means he could be out this week.
36:35I would think so. I agree. It's a toss-up.
36:38He's still in the projections as DJ Moore, but I try to be a little bit conservative early in the week, and then today we'll learn something.
36:45I was saying just if you're considering Keon Coleman on the waivers, and when Mike is saying spend up on waivers, I
36:51hope people understand, he means if you have a fab budget, a free agent acquisition budget.
36:55Yeah, or use your claim, yeah. I mean, I'm just saying I'm more likely to go after Coleman.
37:00And when I say spend up, by the way, maybe a couple bucks, you know?
37:04Like there's a difference between throwing $1 at a guy to fill out your bench and maybe going up, you know, I'll
37:10do $5 this week on Keon Coleman. I understand.
37:13No, I'm not saying $40 or 50%. Not everyone does leagues where you have fab, but more often than not, our leagues
37:19will have a waiver priority, and I get to a spot sometimes where when you have a high waiver priority, it's like,
37:25is this the week that I really want to use my number one claim on these guys, or do I want to
37:31save it for another week where there might be a better option?
37:34I'm not sure if I have number one waiver priority.
37:37Anyone's like screaming at me this week that I have to grab.
37:40Well, also it depends on whether your waiver priority sets each week, resets each week.
37:44Correct. Yes, exactly. Got to know your rules. All right, let's go on one more.
37:48Okay. Wide receiver spot. Is Tyreek Hill worth an ad?
37:51A speculative ad at the very end of bench.
37:54Would you drop Brian Robinson Jr. or Tyreek Hill?
37:56That's what I need to know. I will, you know what?
37:59As a make good, if you want Brian Robinson Jr.
38:02back, I'll add him off of waivers and you can trade me Bichon back.
38:06Okay. All right. I mean, one, your guy had more touchdowns than my guy, so that seems like an easy call.
38:11Yeah, look, I think Tyreek Hill is worth just adding to your bench.
38:15Again, I'm not going to spend a lot here because we don't even know what he has left, if he's going to
38:21be, if he's going to sign with the team where he wants him to go.
38:25What if he doesn't go to the Chiefs or somewhere else?
38:28I think he's going to. And what if he's still, what if, I do too.
38:32I think that's the most likely outcome, but may not even be startable in fantasy.
38:36Yeah. He might be a situational guy. I will say this, the last time we saw him, 7.2 targets per game, 5.3
38:42catches, 66 yards, 13.4 fantasy points per game. That was the first four weeks of last season before what was a major injury, obviously.
38:49So there's still a lot to learn here. A lot has to go right for him to be fantasy relevant, especially in 10 team leagues.
38:56But is it also possibly is 130 yards and two touchdowns in week six, week 17, and helps you win your league?
39:02Yeah. So that's why he's fine as a speculative end of bench guy, much like an insurance running back for the time being.
39:08I think that's well said, is that like end of bench, it's know your needs, know your roster, right?
39:13And as you look at players that are available on the waiver wire right now, how many of them have championship equity for your team?
39:20Right. And the answer is not that many. Tyreek Hill might not have any either.
39:24But if you had to take a guess of like, who's more likely to help me win a title with a strong second half push?
39:31Is it Dante Myers or is it Tyreek Hill?
39:33Tyreek Hill. So that's kind of how I calculate these things is like, if I'm going to really, if I'm desperate, if
39:39I'm one in three or oh and four, and I have to win just to keep my season afloat, then I can't
39:45use my waiver priority on Tyreek Hill. Do you know why Tyreek Hill is listed as out?
39:50Well, it makes him IR eligible in our game.
39:53Well, he's hurt. But he's a free agent. Like, are you going to be listed as out if you don't have a team to give you a designation?
40:00I guess so. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I guess so.
40:03Yeah. By the way, I agree 100%. There's, that's the tricky part of fantasy.
40:06Sometimes sometimes you need to add someone because you need to fire them up for a week.
40:11Like maybe last week you picked up Bryson Tremaine in a 16 team league because you needed a wide receiver badly.
40:17And it was a great matchup, but you're not just going to leave him sitting on your bench now.
40:22Like you want a guy with more upside. I think kind of funny, just I'm going to give you guys a random
40:28name that kind of fits this bill. When I'm looking at, let's say I throw a guy in IR Sunday morning, right?
40:34He's ruled out. And I'm looking at waivers trying to find like a guy that fits that bill, a guy that could be a league winner.
40:41Yep. Seth McGowan. Right. Like guys like that are the guys that you just want to throw on there because if something
40:47happens to Jonathan Taylor, that's where everyone's going on the waiver wire next week.
40:51He will be the guy we talk. If Taylor was out for the season, he would be the only guy we'd be talking about today.
40:58Seth McGowan. You got again. They don't really have anyone else at running back and they might go acquire someone, but McGowan
41:04the next week might see 18 touches and they seem to like him a lot.
41:08He was a day three draft pick this year, but they seem to like him and he's the clear number two in a good situation there.
41:15So those are the kind of guys you want to fill out the end of your bench.
41:20It's not quite Alexander Madison behind Dalvin Cook, but Seth McGowan has a little bit of the Jonathan Taylor aesthetic to him
41:26that when he's in the game and gets a carry, I'm like, there we go, baby.
41:30More yards for JT. And then it's like, nope, that's Seth McGowan.
41:33My bad. I take him back. 28 versus 20.
41:36Last night, wasn't, isn't Brian Robinson 17 and he's 15.
41:39Oh, was he 15? Okay. All right. Then nevermind.
41:41I didn't like it. He still has the same size body as, as Bajon Robinson.
41:45I didn't like seeing that. Guys, let's take a couple of questions from the, the YouTube chat.
41:50If you don't mind, follow our buddy, Eric Moody at Eric and Moody everywhere on social media, hanging out with all the people here in chat with us.
41:57This first one comes from Peter Vasilik wants to know Matthew Golden or RJ Harvey at the flex.
42:02Golden. Come on. I think RJ Harvey, like the 10 targets is probably a mirage.
42:06I would agree with that. Yeah, definitely. Do you know Matthew Golden has like seven more targets than Christian Watson?
42:12I mean, his, he has consistently been in the 20 mid 20% target share.
42:16I mean, he's, he's rolling. I think you can make a case for Golden over Watson.
42:20I'm, I'm giving a slight edge of my rankings to Watson.
42:23Cause he has that upside and the scoring equity, but it's, I think you can make the case.
42:28It's getting close. Do you guys know many Broncos fans?
42:31Do I know many Broncos fans? Like what do Broncos fans feel about this offense right now?
42:35Yeah. Very. That's a good question. A lot of the teams like that this year.
42:40You're like, how? Yeah. You had Jalen Waddell. You still have an elite O-line.
42:43Yeah. Ben Moe Nix is year three. You still have Sutton.
42:46How? How is it worse? No idea. No idea.
42:49I mean, the only thing you can point to is the change really is the play caller.
42:53So hopefully that'll improve for them. Yeah. All right.
42:56Next question we have from our chat. Fully Baked wants to know, debating on dropping Jalen Hurts for Jacoby Brissett.
43:01Am I crazy? Okay. Pick up. Like there's, is there nobody on your bench that's...
43:06Would you roster three quarterbacks in order to... Okay.
43:08With one of them on a bye and one of them in a bad matchup?
43:12Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. I don't even know if Jalen Hurts is going to outscore Bryce Young the rest of the season.
43:18Totally. But again, I said this yesterday. I want to excuse some of Hurts because there's so many injuries.
43:23I mean, they're dealing with more injuries than they're getting really that's being discussed.
43:27So it's been rough. We started at the very beginning of the year talking about how the Eagles, and I'm excited for
43:33the rest of this week, they had a very easy schedule now that we're a month into the season.
43:38I'm excited to be able to re-look at it and see kind of where that falls for Jalen Hurts when we dive in later this week.
43:45That's a... I got to be honest with you.
43:48That's a tough one. When you say like dropping Jalen Hurts is one of those things that...
43:52The ones that you regret the most when you plant your flag on something is when it's that you're betting against the established superstar.
43:59Yeah. Even if there are real warning signs. I've been guilty of this throughout my career at ESPN, like being a year
44:05too late rather than a year too early to count out a team that you're like, no, I don't know, like just
44:11by default, they're still in the mix, right? I was with...
44:14I feel like when Seattle... And now they're back at the top, but like when they were still kind of hanging around
44:20with Russell Wilson at the end of his time in Seattle, I was like, no, I don't know.
44:25The Seahawks will find a way. They'll be there.
44:27Have had plenty of those. Remember the Patriots that last year that Tom Brady used?
44:31There are plenty of examples. And like, am I fully confident that Jalen Hurts is a top 10 quarterback the rest of the season?
44:38No. Am I sort of confident? Sort of confident.
44:40But that's a far cry from where I had been with Jalen every other year.
44:44If this question in some ways feels outlandish and it could make you look ridiculous if you drop Jalen Hurts and he
44:50gets it going so you can have one bite at the apple against the Lions with Jacoby Brissett.
44:55I think that... But my gut is telling me there's got to be somebody else in your roster that's more dropping than Jalen Hurts.
45:02Yeah. I think so. Maybe for now. I think there's also a real chance that...
45:06Remember, Jalen Hurts has never put up huge passing numbers.
45:09He's been relying on that elite rushing. If he doesn't have that, is he just like a...
45:13From a fantasy perspective, like a Kyler Mariota sort of fantasy producer?
45:17He might be. He might be... He might be from a real life perspective too.
45:21He might be a fringe QB1 going forward in fantasy if he's not putting up those elite passing numbers.
45:26I will say this. Again, tipping this a little bit, but the schedule still looks really good for the Eagles moving forward.
45:32The playoff schedule is brutal, but over the next few months, it's still pretty late.
45:36All right. I think I agree with Field. I would try not to drop Jalen Hurts, but I think we will all
45:42have Jacoby Brissett probably ranked ahead of Jalen Hurts this week in our Week 5 rankings.
45:47All right. One more question here. Roddy wants to know, do we hold on Emeka Abuka?
45:51Are we looking for trades? If you're trading right now, you're trading too low, right?
45:55Yeah. Exactly right. That's the problem. Bench, not drop.
45:57Yeah. Yep. You really just have to hold... Just hold.
46:00That's it. I just looked for this week. If he comes back, maybe they get it rolling and he's back in the
46:06top 20 conversation, but right now he should be on benches.
46:09I have trade advice that's in a vacuum. It's not specific to this or just in general, because I think we're starting,
46:15you know, now that this season has a bit of a sample size, you're starting to see some people want to move and shake a little bit.
46:23But the best thing that you can do for me with trades is be fair from the jump.
46:28Yeah. Like, to get a good player, you probably have to give up a good player.
46:32To get a great player, you might have to give up two awesome players or two very good players.
46:37But these chemically imbalanced trades just come across as disingenuous and it's like, do you want to do business or not?
46:43It sucks, right? Like, it sucks when you have to give away a good player, but like, you're not going to be
46:49able to hoodwink somebody into giving them like, dude, like, I'm telling you, like, I really do think you should be giving me Jonathan Taylor.
46:56You know what, O'Field? You might be able to do that, but don't be that person in the league that preys on
47:02the people that don't have as much knowledge because there's always a handful of people.
47:06I feel you. So, but let's assume like leagues where like people are all kind of like generally invested.
47:11Like the idea of being like, listen, Jonathan Taylor for Terry McLaurin and DK Metcalf, like, let's make a deal.
47:16Right? Like, is that really? Like, that's, I mean, that's going to be what gets a Jonathan Taylor trade done.
47:22Probably not. Probably not. So I probably want something more for that.
47:25Yeah. You, of course you want something more. You probably want, you know, a really good running back and a wide receiver for Jonathan Taylor.
47:32I will say there's nothing worse than making a trade offer and it's immediately accepted.
47:36Just like, Oh, did I, did I listen too much?
47:39Did I overpay? I mean, we were, you know, we're going to be more thoughtful with our offers.
47:44So that's not really something we're going to be too worried about.
47:47If we make an offer, obviously we feel like it's fair to us, but in general, it's just like, Oh, maybe I,
47:53maybe I gave up a little too much if they hit the, that was too quick.
47:57I've been there on the other direction where I get an offer and I'm like, I can't like, how do I get in and accept?
48:04Say yes. We wanted to have them in a dynasty league in this off season where someone offered us their 2027 first rounder for pick 1.1 this year.
48:12This was before it was, it was late last season.
48:15It was during the season. Like, yeah, we'll take the guaranteed 1.1 a year earlier.
48:19And we, I couldn't, couldn't get faster. And we of course took Jeremiah love.
48:23Yeah. Yep. All right, let's do it. We're going to dive into a new segment here, guys.
48:27We got a month into the season. We got a little bit of a history now that we can look back on
48:33with these players, a little bit of a sample size.
48:36I'm bringing some blind box scores to the table.
48:38I know who these players are. Mike and field do not, but there were some things that I thought were noticeable when
48:44I looked through the first month of the season.
48:47Okay. And then we're just going to discuss what we think about these players afterwards.
48:51So I'm going to give you guys player one from a blind box score.
48:55You can see it on the YouTube feed. If you're watching from home, first player four catches for 40 yards, 10 targets
49:01in week one for eight fantasy points, four for 27 and nine targets and 6.7 in week two, three for 31 and a touchdown.
49:07Only five targets though in week three and then five for one 15 on nine targets in week four for 16.5 fantasy points.
49:14One of the things that stands out to me there guys.
49:17And the reason why it was so big was the number of targets.
49:20I mean, nine plus targets in three of four games here.
49:23Do you think you know who this player is?
49:26I do. I'm a sicko. I don't. I, my thought was Casey Concepcion, but there's no carries there.
49:31So it's not him. He's wide receiver 10 in targets, wide receiver four in routes run and wide receiver one in snaps played.
49:37It's also, do you want me to give him my guess?
49:40Um, yeah, you can. He's also wide receiver one in muscle distribution.
49:43It's DK Metcalf. Oh, this is in fact DK Metcalf.
49:46Good call. When you look at this, is there any reason to be a little bit more optimistic about DK Metcalf's volume
49:52with us not seeing Michael Pittman materialize the way that Mike and I hoped he would?
49:56At least we talk about volume being king. This isn't that kind of an offense where Aaron Rodgers necessarily brings you a
50:02ton of excitement with what he brings to the table.
50:05But would you say no to nine plus targets?
50:08Is there something more here to DK Metcalf than what we're seeing?
50:11Um, here's what I would say is that in back to back weeks, Aaron Rodgers has had a yards per attempt.
50:17Yep. I think even an air yards per attempt.
50:19Oh, guys. Over 10 yards. Yeah. Wow. Aaron Rodgers is being much more aggressive on the field right now.
50:24That bodes very well for DK Metcalf. It sure does.
50:27For the limitations he may have is amongst the best deep ball threats of the last, what, 25 years in the league?
50:33Yeah. He's an exception. He's a rare deep ball threat.
50:36Yeah. Has the Colts this week. Top 30 play.
50:38Should be in lineups, I would say. Only wide receiver 32 in fantasy points, but wide receiver 10 in targets.
50:44I'm assuming there are more expected fantasy points on tap there.
50:47When you look at the Steelers wide receiving core, though, honestly, DK Metcalf is actually second on the team behind Roman Wilson.
50:53Yeah. Who barely played last week, by the way.
50:55I believe his target share was 30%. So, Roman Wilson's still very clearly third or sometimes fourth in line, too, because Jeremy Bernard's getting mixed in.
51:02We'll see if that number goes up for now, though.
51:05Wilson not startable. Metcalf is. And obviously, Pittman borderline rosterable.
51:08But I'm going to write about him for the playbook this week.
51:11I'm optimistic. Or I'm hopeful they'll get him going at some point.
51:14But so far, so bad. I would drop Michael Pittman for Jacoby Brissette if I also had Jalen Hurts.
51:19Yeah. I agree with that. I actually have a league in which I put that waiver claim in literally this morning.
51:25You did not. No, I promise. We have a very short bench.
51:28And so the options are limited. Can I ask, is the point of this, like, once we see the blind box score.
51:34I just want to talk about it. And just, like, you think sort of you're assessing up or down.
51:40Up or down. Yeah. After the first month of the season.
51:43We all agree going in the right direction. And I would have said the opposite.
51:47I would have, because Mike and I were very into Michael Pittman.
51:50One of the things that we saw from Aaron Rodgers earlier this, or last season, was he just wasn't throwing the ball deep.
51:56Now, after the first month, with the kind of volume that he's getting, and Aaron Rodgers pushing the ball downfield, I think
52:02there's a little bit more excitement around DK Metcalf than we did, than we had to start the season.
52:08I'm just hoping with Pittman, because remember, five straight years of just heavy usage and production in Indianapolis, it doesn't make sense
52:14for them to acquire him, have him play basically all the snaps and run all the routes and just not throw at him.
52:20I'm hoping there's a little bit of, remember, he was out week two, like Rishi Rice to him, where maybe he's just
52:26not there yet, and he's not being featured in the game plan, and then that'll change as the season goes on.
52:32If not, I don't know what they're thinking. I don't know why they acquired him.
52:36Next four weeks are Indy, Tampa, New Orleans, and then a bye.
52:39So they've got a nice little schedule there for DK Metcalf coming up.
52:43All right, here's another guy they want to throw up here.
52:46A blind box score through the first month of the season.
52:49This player. Oh, I know this one. Five for 130 and 18 points.
52:52Seven for 95 and a touchdown. 22 and a half points.
52:55And then two for 38, 3.8, and one for seven here in week four.
52:59Yeah, I got this one. I'm going to let you, I mean, you're going to have to hold on then.
53:04Let field stew for a second. Give me a moment here.
53:07This player. I believe I'm writing. Yeah, I am.
53:10This player leads his position in the average depth of target.
53:13Okay. I keep giving you hints. He's still a lineup lock.
53:16Writing about him in the playbook because he's trending the wrong direction.
53:19He is trending the wrong direction. Went into like the sixth round, I would say, by the end of draft season.
53:25Totally flummoxed by who this is. He's one of his teammates might be getting traded soon.
53:2977% of his targets came when he was lined up at the wide receiver position.
53:33That is one. He was shadowed half the time last week.
53:36Dalton Kincaid has been so bad. What? That's. Oh, my God.
53:39I was wrong. Who did you think it was?
53:42I was so confident that I was right. Wow.
53:44Parker Washington. No. Oh, wow. It was like it's like the same thing.
53:48Oh, my. I was so confident. Guys. Why didn't you stop me from giving all them terrible hints?
53:53I'm just I'm letting you do that. This is you're the one that wants to talk about it.
53:58I don't know what you have the answer. I do have the answer.
54:01Dalton Kincaid. Wow. Trending the wrong direction, guys. I got to look at this now.
54:05Are we in a spot now where you're looking at Dalton Kincaid?
54:09Don't go too far on that one. Yeah. And you say to yourself, we thought we had something.
54:14Yeah. And now where it's like, shoot, everything that we thought this is just Dalton Kincaid from last year and the year
54:20before and the year before is is that where we're at through the first month of the season?
54:24Yeah. Unfortunately. Yes. And I was a member after week two.
54:27I was like, this could be the breakout breakout football.
54:30Yes. And that would instead it's like it'd been an outbreak of sadness and disappointment for Dalton Kincaid.
54:35So what do you do here? Because that's, I think the question that people that either added Dalton Kincaid or maybe the
54:41very rare people that drafted Dalton Kincaid is if you added him, are there options that you would turn to instead?
54:47Like go to waiver wire. No. Right now. No.
54:49No. Not if he's the guy you're set on, but like in the FFC league, which is, you know, 10 team league,
54:55I had Tyler Warren and then I picked up Dalton Kincaid so I could just go back to the well with Tyler
55:01Warren, which is what I did last week. I think that's a good example of sticking with Tyler Warren.
55:07I just don't know that given some of the injuries and just given the fact that there have been a couple of
55:13players who haven't come close to realizing sort of the potential we hope for them coming into this season.
55:18Yep. I think Dalton Kincaid just fits into that big old bucket of yo-yo players.
55:22Usable-ish items. Yeah. I mean, I was obviously terribly wrong on that, but one thing that was accurate that I said is
55:28that I did write about him for the playbook.
55:30So the problem when I was looking at it was I was like trying to figure out a rhyme or reason for what has happened.
55:37And I don't really have one. I mean, week one, the playing time was there.
55:41Week two was Detroit. I mean, you can excuse it on that.
55:45DJ Moore got hurt though. But the last two games, I don't know.
55:48He's not playing as much. He's not here as productive.
55:51I don't know. It still feels to me like this offense is like what we saw from the Packers last year, where
55:57it's just like one week it's going to be Keon Coleman.
56:00One week it's going to be Dalton Kincaid. One week it's going to be Dawson Knox.
56:04Or what we've seen from Kincaid his whole career so far.
56:07It's just like maybe it just is what it is.
56:10You're guessing on which week is going to be the week that he smashes.
56:14So unfortunately, probably not the guy that you hoped after the first two weeks.
56:18But we'll see whether or not we keep starting up here as we dive into the rankings.
56:22I know the last two for sure. All right.
56:25Well, yeah, I know one of them now. Last two we have.
56:28It's a little bit of a back-to-back. We're going to see which wide receiver would you rather have.
56:33These are the season stats. 28 targets, 18 receptions, 225 receiving yards for 40 fantasy points.
56:37On the left side, right side, 26 targets, only two less.
56:4016 receptions, two less. 228 receiving yards, only three more.
56:43And two touchdowns for 51.1 fantasy points. All right.
56:46So the reason why I know who both these players are is because you gave us, or at least our rundown has
56:52the game-by-game outlook for these two players. Correct. I think if you were just reading the information or watching the information, that
56:58Daniel gave you a moment ago, when you've got a guy who was drafted in the top three rounds without a touchdown
57:04so far this season, there's sort of like one guy that's not like the others.
57:08And who would that player be? I'm spacing on it.
57:10I don't know. Really? Yeah. I like it. Oh, yeah, of course.
57:14Right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. George Pickens is one of them.
57:16And the targets have been there for the most part.
57:19Like, not down, but not terrible so far. George Pickens has six targets, eight targets, 11 targets, and then three targets this last week.
57:26So not terrible. But has not found the end zone.
57:28Parker Washington, though, is a different conversation. Yep. This is Parker Washington's last month.
57:32And by the way, it's pretty similar to Kincaid.
57:35It's just not quite as bad in that third game.
57:37Five for 83 and a touchdown on six targets for 19.3 fantasy points.
57:41Huge week one. Seven for 98 on 12 targets in week two for 16.8 fantasy points.
57:45And then week three, three for 40, a touchdown, but only five targets, 13 fantasy points.
57:50And then week four, one catch for seven yards on three targets.
57:53So he's had six or fewer, Parker Washington, six or fewer targets in three of his four games.
57:58That's not like the strong end wide receiver two that we've kind of been billing him as in this offense.
58:03Okay. So I think there are a couple of ways to qualify this.
58:07Yeah. Why is this happening? Well, so the first two games of the season for Jacksonville actually were competitive.
58:12Yes. Well, the first, you know, like they had to throw the ball a little bit, especially in that second game against Denver.
58:18Yep. Third game against the Patriots. They waxed the Patriots 35 to six.
58:22Yep. He scores a touchdown, but there was also a sequence where if my memory has this play by play, totally correct.
58:28It was in the like, like deep goal line, like five yard line target for Parker Washington, incomplete pass target for Parker
58:34Washington, incomplete pass target for Parker Washington, touchdown. Called back because of penalty, very next play target for Parker Washington, touchdown.
58:40He scores last week. Um, so that, that like those five targets in a game in which the Patriots were getting like there just wasn't that much volume.
58:47Yep. Trevor Lawrence threw 23 passes last week and Parker Washington, this wouldn't have totally changed the narrative, but at the end
58:53of the game, it was a seven yard catch that he was like half an inch away from turning into a 40 yard catch.
59:00Um, some of the first read stuff, if you buy into first read metrics, it's really strong for Parker Washington.
59:05Trevor Lawrence is playing awesome. Yeah. Parker Washington is awesome.
59:08And I think Mike, you don't, you mentioned this on Monday.
59:11He got DJ Turner. Yeah. Half of his routes were against CJ Turner.
59:15They had Turner shadowing him and all of his, I believe a hundred percent of his perimeter routes were against Turner.
59:21So you, I think I feel pretty good about Parker still me too.
59:2413 plus and three games so far. He is a 26% target share.
59:28Offense is very good to your point. I mean, by the way, they're playing the Eagles this week.
59:33They've allowed 19 plus fantasy points to three different receivers in their last two games.
59:37So it's, you know, people have been, or receivers have been productive against that defense recently.
59:41So not really sweating this one too much. Which one would you rather have rest of season?
59:46George Pickens or Parker Washington? Probably still Pickens. Oh man, that's close.
59:49I kind of want to look at the projections.
59:51Pickens is, so. So, I thought Washington. Pickens offers more upside in case of potential injury to a teammate.
59:57Yeah. Right? Parker Washington is just, I still think the clear wide receiver one of his squad.
60:01It's just, is there as much upside to his game as George Pickens potentially has?
60:05I have Washington a little bit ahead. 17 and 22.
60:08Do you really? Wide receiver 17. 17th and 22nd in the projections going forward.
60:12Yeah. I mean, and by the way, I'm still optimistic about Pickens.
60:15I like both of those guys. But I still think he'll be startable.
60:19I like both. I think they're both wide receiver twos, but I'm buying on Washington a little more.
60:24Pickens has started slow. If he had just found the end zone in one of these games, I think it would feel
60:30different when you look at this box score. And that's going to eventually come to fruition.
60:34So here's, I think, a way of describing the difference.
60:37Here's an important dynamic in play here for these two guys specifically.
60:40Is, would you say you're more frustrated or concerned?
60:43Frustrated. Right. And it's because it sounded like a little bit more of concern on Parker from you and a little bit more frustration.
60:49That's a good segment idea. Frustrated or concerned. Do you get what I mean, though?
60:53Yes, no. I'm not concerned about Parker, but I wanted to walk through the exercise of his six targets, five targets, three
60:59targets, which is what we did based on how the game script worked out.
61:03So you're saying the potential sell high? No. On Parker Washington.
61:06All right. I would not sell high. I would hold Parker Washington.
61:09Got it. Yeah. I like that. Future segment idea right there.
61:12It's like, I'm not mad. I'm disappointed. Yes. Like that.
61:15Exactly. It's different. How many times have you had that conversation with your parents growing up?
61:19I had to tell them a couple times I was not mad, but disappointed in them.
61:24Yeah. You're right, Fields. Sorry, Mama Dopp. So it actually hurts more than it grows back?
61:28Oh my gosh, guys. I had no idea. It has to go through the skin and then it's all prickly.
61:34I'm like a little cactus. It's not fun. Well, you could just keep shaving it.
61:38Do you want us to wax it again for you?
61:40No, Michael. That's it. Isn't there some cream called Nair?
61:43Yes. It rubs off hair? It does. I got a feeling that if it just rubs the hair off, it might not be good for your body.
61:51And I do care about what I put into my body, guys.
61:54So with that being said, thank you for hanging out with us.
61:57Shout out to the smelling salts. Where'd you get those?
62:00I can't. I don't know. Locals Pharmacy? Yeah. All right.
62:03I think it was a farmer's market. That's going to do it for us today, guys.
62:07Thank you for hanging out with us. For Mike Enfield, we'll be back tomorrow diving into the week five ranks.
62:12Don't forget to love each other and be kind to yourself.
62:15You deserve it. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Peace!
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