The Extra Point: Fix Your Fantasy Football Team Before Week 4 | Start/Sit, Trades & Roster Advice (Ep. 2237)
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1 hr 6 min
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Oct 3, 2026
Published
Sat, October 3, 2026
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Player insights
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Players mentioned
Topics
Aaron JonesJacoby BrissettTucker KraftBrenton StrangeBrian Thomas Jr.Brock BowersCaleb WilliamsChris BellChris GodwinColston LovelandD.J. MooreDalton SchultzDarren WallerDeebo Samuel
Player analysis
Player insights
Aaron Jones
PositiveUsage32:07
Aaron Jones is viewed as a secure, high-floor play while Jordan Mason is sidelined. The source notes that while his current workload is unsustainable long-term, he remains a strong start for Week 4 against the Dolphins.
Insight pagePositiveValue66:43
The source suggests targeting Aaron Jones in trades because his current production is high, though it is expected to decline once other Vikings running backs return. He is viewed as a strong short-term asset to help a roster, potentially acquirable by packaging players like Emeka Egbuka or Jalen Coker.
Insight pageBrenton Strange
PositiveBreakout25:09
Brenton Strange is highlighted as a strong start for Week 4 due to a favorable matchup against the Bengals' defense, which struggles against tight ends over the middle. He maintains high route participation.
Insight pageBrian Thomas Jr.
NegativeUsage21:03
The source considers Brian Thomas Jr. irrelevant for fantasy purposes at this stage, noting he is not a focal point of the Jaguars' passing game.
Insight pageBrock Bowers
PositiveValue80:43
The source identifies Brock Bowers as a high-upside tight end target, suggesting he is a better long-term option than Isaiah Likely and worth pursuing in trades.
Insight pageCaleb Williams
NegativeInjury100:17
Caleb Williams is currently dealing with an injury, leading a fantasy manager to consider trading him away.
Insight pageChris Bell
NegativeValue101:55
The hosts are skeptical about dropping a proven player for Chris Bell, questioning the upside of a running back on one of the league's worst offenses.
Insight pageChris Godwin
NegativeValue101:55
Despite some frustration with the Buccaneers offense, the hosts advise against dropping Chris Godwin, noting he had a touchdown called back by a penalty last week.
Insight pageColston Loveland
PositiveSleeper85:06
Colston Loveland is identified as an interesting tight end target coming off his best game of the year, with the source suggesting he is a viable trade target.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
PositiveUsage8:54
The source recommends starting DJ Moore over Emeka Egbuka, despite Moore being limited in practice, as he remains a more reliable option than Egbuka in the current offensive context.
Insight pageDalton Schultz
NegativeUsage25:09
Dalton Schultz's fantasy outlook has diminished with Nico Collins returning to the lineup. The source notes that Schultz is not a dynamic tight end and has seen inconsistent usage.
Insight pageDarren Waller
NegativeValue26:36
The source advises against picking up Darren Waller as a long-term tight end solution, predicting he will likely get injured and end up on injured reserve within a month.
Insight pageDeebo Samuel
PositiveUsage15:44
The source advises against trading for Deebo Samuel, noting that his production is unlikely to last all year and pointing out his concerning zero-target performance in the previous week.
Insight pageDrake Maye
PositiveValue97:24
Despite poor early-season performance, the source labels Drake Maye a 'screaming buy' in dynasty and keeper formats, noting that they resisted dropping him in rankings due to his long-term potential.
Insight pageEmanuel Wilson
PositiveUsage10:06
The source prefers Emmanuel Wilson over Kendra Miller, highlighting Wilson's red-zone utility and noting that Miller is competing with a rookie who struggles with fumbles.
Insight pageEmeka Egbuka
NegativeProjection7:27
Andrew Erickson advises benching Emeka Egbuka, noting that rookie quarterbacks under center traditionally nuke the fantasy value of wide receivers. Erickson is concerned about Egbuka's performance with a rookie quarterback, preferring to avoid the risk of a potential bounce-back game.
Insight pageGeorge Kittle
NegativeValue39:01
The source suggests that George Kittle could be used as a trade chip to consolidate depth and upgrade a roster's RB2 position, given his high ranking and the owner's surplus of tight ends.
Insight pageJacoby Brissett
NegativeValue99:05
Jacoby Brissett has value in superflex leagues because he puts up points, but he should be traded to teams needing quarterback production as his long-term value is likely not high.
Insight pageNegativeValue99:15
Jacoby Brissett is viewed as a sell candidate in superflex leagues for teams in a rebuild, as he provides short-term production but lacks long-term value.
Insight pageJames Cook
PositiveValue30:44
The source supports trading for James Cook, viewing him as an elite running back upgrade despite the cost of shipping off other assets.
Insight pageJavonte Williams
NegativeValue100:20
A fantasy manager is considering trading Javonte Williams and Caleb Williams in exchange for Joe Burrow and Jeremiah Love.
Insight pageJaylen Waddle
NegativeProjection30:09
Jaylen Waddle is described as a boom-or-bust player with a wide range of outcomes. Despite a disappointing Week 3, the source maintains he can be a top-20 wide receiver rest-of-season, provided the Broncos' offense stabilizes.
Insight pageJeremiyah Love
PositiveBreakout100:59
Jeremiah Love is viewed as a player on the ascend, making him a desirable target in trade discussions.
Insight pageJoe Burrow
PositiveValue100:48
The hosts agree that trading for Joe Burrow is a good move because he is not currently injured.
Insight pageJordan Addison
PositiveValue20:15
The source suggests holding Jordan Addison until after his Week 4 matchup against the Miami Dolphins, as he is expected to have a high-production game against a weak secondary, which would maximize his trade value.
Insight pageJordyn Tyson
PositiveSleeper20:21
Andrew Erickson identifies Jordan Tyson as an amazing stash candidate if he is available on waivers, suggesting he could be a second-half league winner if he returns to health.
Insight pageJosh Downs
PositiveValue23:28
Josh Downs is recommended as a trade target due to his favorable cost-to-equity ratio compared to Malik Nabers. His average depth of target (aDOT) has improved, and he has a strong matchup in Week 4.
Insight pageJuwan Johnson
PositiveProjection20:14
The source views Juwan Johnson as a reliable weekly starter for the foreseeable future, noting he is currently ranked higher than Tucker Kraft.
Insight pageKendre Miller
NegativeUsage10:13
The source expresses skepticism toward Kendra Miller, noting that he is part of a Saints backfield that struggles to run the ball and that he is competing for touches.
Insight pageKyler Murray
PositiveMatchup75:02
The source strongly prefers Kyler Murray over Matthew Stafford for the current week, citing a favorable matchup against the Dolphins and Murray's rushing upside even while dealing with a concussion.
Insight pageMalik Nabers
NegativeProjection22:53
The source expresses skepticism regarding Malik Nabers' outlook, citing concerns about quarterback play and potential injury risks as the season progresses into colder weather.
Insight pageNico Collins
PositiveInjury37:12
Nico Collins is expected to return for Week 4 against the Dallas Cowboys, providing a significant boost to fantasy rosters that have been missing his production.
Insight pagePuka Nacua
PositiveValue68:46
Despite concerns regarding his long-term health and the Rams' delay in signing him to a long-term extension, the source maintains a high valuation for Puka Nacua, preferring him over Zay Flowers in keeper formats.
Insight pageTucker Kraft
PositiveProjection18:34
Andrew Erickson believes better days are ahead for Tucker Kraft, noting that his route participation is increasing and he is likely to be a primary underneath target for Jordan Love, especially against blitz-heavy defenses.
Insight pagePositiveSleeper83:46
Tucker Kraft is recommended as a 'buy low' tight end target who could be acquired cheaply, with the source expressing optimism that his best performances are still ahead.
Insight pageZay Flowers
PositiveUsage70:23
Zay Flowers is highlighted for his high target share and yardage per route run, with the source noting he is locked into a long-term role with Lamar Jackson, making him a desirable keeper asset.
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0:24I am Chris Welsh. That is THE Andrew Erickson.
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0:44Week 4 is important for people. And we've got just everybody...
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1:40Andrew Erickson, I missed you. I wasn't here for the Ranked Show.
1:43Very disappointed. But I'm very happy to see you again now.
1:46Likewise, we missed you on all the shows throughout this week.
1:50But we did have Tara Fillon very adamantly. Just like a couple shows.
1:54Well, I had to do Tailgate by myself. That's true.
1:57That's true. Actually, three shows that you and I do together.
2:00My apologies. I forgot about that. We did the Trade Live, the Tailgate Live, and Ranked Show.
2:05So that probably felt like a week's worth of shows.
2:08It really did. So I'm glad that you're back, buddy.
2:11Our Thursdays are jam-packed with shows between me and you.
2:14This is the second of our three total shows.
2:17I have four overall that we do because we record our prop show after Thursday Night Football.
2:22A little after dark in terms of a little late night.
2:25And it's always interesting because it depends on how the game was and did the props hit or not?
2:31Like, what kind of vibe is it? But usually it's been good so far.
2:35So looking forward to it, but also looking forward to the extra point questions.
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3:40You guys. All right. We got tons of questions.
3:43So let's get to it. Everybody knows the rules.
3:45If we sound rude because we kick someone, it's because they said something about Thursday night football.
3:50You can't do that on this show, but you can do everything else.
3:54You can't cuss though. You can talk about how great Erickson looks.
3:58You can talk about how red my face look.
4:01You can do whatever you want. You can do anything under the sun, but let's get to it.
4:06And first up, it's salt. I think that broke Cornwallis' streak here.
4:10Salt's in the house. What's up? What's up, guys?
4:12I missed you last week. Unfortunately, I have a job that sometimes has 2 p.m.
4:17meetings. I know, boo. Put my questions in the chat.
4:20But just to start for a full PPR, if you have to pick three between Ladd, Emeka and DJ Moore.
4:26I don't know if Gonsa's playing to shadow DJ Moore, but...
4:29Yeah, let's start on that one. Oh, and that's for a chopped league too, right?
4:33Yeah, but I have Gibbs, so don't worry about the floor.
4:37Oh, okay. Ladd is your core here. You know what this comes down to, Erickson?
4:41Are you... By the way, we've filled this room.
4:44This is insane. Are you worried about Jalen Daniels with Emeka, Buka?
4:47Because I kind of am. Yeah, so just to clarify, like my wide receiver one is Drake London.
4:53So I'm playing two more of these guys in wide receiver two and flex.
4:57Okay. Yeah. I just want to play Emeka. Like he hasn't been good with Baker.
5:01He's been a wide receiver three to start the season.
5:04I guess it's possible that you could spin it to, well, Jalen Daniels kind of lock him.
5:09I guess that's possible. But I think I'm cool missing an Emeka bounce back game because I think that the risk is
5:16he's just even worse with a rookie quarterback on our center, which is traditionally what happens when you get rookie quarterbacks on our center for wide receivers.
5:24It usually nukes their fantasy values. So this is an easy bench for Emeka Ibuka.
5:29Okay. We're on the same space thing because... And also Christian Gonzalez is kind of banged up right now.
5:34So, and I think DJ Moore was in a limited practice.
5:38So yeah, I think we're going Ladd and DJ.
5:40And then second question. Uh, for a tight ends.
5:43This is the, uh, Loveland question. So I love when Mark Andrews or, uh, just scream Darren Waller for the matchup.
5:49Waller. Uh, who, yeah, you're so well, I'm, uh, I'm, I'm Loveland on this one.
5:54The backup quarterbacks are finding Loveland. He'll score the touchdown this week.
5:57So we're not going to help you there. Uh, did you have more?
6:01Cause I see more names. Yeah. Just one. We'll, we'll end it on a manual Wilson or Kendra Miller.
6:07I will play manual Wilson. I'll see where we're on.
6:10Yeah. He's really good. He's good for the red zone.
6:13I think it's Kendra Miller. I think Kendra Miller is going to get like the early down stuff.
6:18Against the Falcons who gave up how many yards on the ground to the Packers?
6:23No, I'm just, I'm just saying like, okay. Oh, the Packers backfield, that awesome backfield of, of awesome running.
6:28The saints backfield. The awesome saints backfield. The saints can't run the ball either.
6:32Stop it. It is Kendra Miller. If you put Kendra Miller on the green Bay Packers, is that the best running back on the green Bay Packers?
6:40If you put a manual Wilson on the new Orleans saints, is he the best running back?
6:45Well, maybe, but Kendra Miller, I'm Kendra Miller, Kendra Miller here.
6:49So we're going to go with Caleb Johnson on the best running back of the Packers, even with Miller, but thank you guys.
6:56I really appreciate it. Yeah. That's actually a good point.
6:59I'm taking, I'm taking the running back who is competing with a rookie who fumbles every time he touches the football, who
7:05two weeks ago had 20 carries and a positive game script against the chargers.
7:09Dude, what is his problem? That's Emmanuel Wilson. What is his problem?
7:13Janarian price. I mean, this was a problem he had in college and he barely touched the ball.
7:18I think he's fumbled more in the NFL than he has all of, in all of the NCAA.
7:24This is why they didn't give him the ball more.
7:27It wasn't actually cause Jeremiah love was really good.
7:29It was because they were afraid of price. We keep fumbling low key.
7:33Can we shout out salt that we're sitting here screaming about these guys and so I was just like, by the way, Caleb Johnson.
7:40And it's like, Oh yeah, Caleb Johnson actually might be the best of all those, but you just can't, you can't, you can't run on the Falcons.
7:48Just can't do it. Well, especially when you have the worst collection of running backs in the NFL, kind of hard to also do, but they were good.
7:57Not even before the Packers matchup, the Falcons were good.
8:00I guess the Falcons are good, but the Packers were never good.
8:03We can agree on that. Oh yes. I mean, Marshawn Lloyd under whatever his rushing yards was blockable locks.
8:09Yeah. 100%. All right. I just clicked out of something here.
8:12We jail. She's what happened in the chat. Something about James Spears.
8:16Let me see. I got to go back. Okay.
8:19I, we have so many people in here. We've never had before.
8:22I'm getting all these things. It's like, do you want to boost more rooms?
8:26And it made me click out of something. So shout out to you guys.
8:30I don't know what happened in week four, but y'all here for us.
8:34All right. Salt came in hot. Great first start here.
8:37Let's go to Joe premium member of the fantasy pros discord.
8:41What up? Hey, what's up? Well, Sean, Andrew, how are you guys doing?
8:44Good, man. Good. Mike, by the way, sound great.
8:47What's up, man? Yes, sir. So I got two questions for you guys.
8:51It's a start and sit and a trade question.
8:54I want to start off with the trade question.
8:56Should I trade Bay shell two in and D bill Samuel for Amar in Hampton and Jalen Coker?
9:02I'm extremely deep at wide receiver with JSN Smith and Collins and have CMC is RB one and Josh Allen.
9:08So I just want to see what you guys think about that.
9:11Oh, I love this one because Erickson. You're a hunt.
9:14We're a hundred percent. We can we squad rod that we want to know for Hampton rest of season.
9:20I don't think. Yeah, yeah, I got him ranked ahead of rest him rest of season, but I want him.
9:26But Jalen Coker or Debo. So what side of this trade do you like?
9:30I like the two inside. So I would stay because I think that he's the best piece of this entire deal.
9:36And because he plays running back that moves the needle.
9:39So even though you're getting an upgrade with Coker over Debo, Coker is also currently hurt again.
9:44Debo has some short term value because of all the receivers are hurt on the 49ers.
9:49We know Debo's his production is not going to last all year.
9:53And the fact that he got zero targets last week was kind of weird.
9:57You know, he had an 80 yard lateral. Very weird.
10:00Zero targets, but 80 yards. It's funny. He had like 80.
10:03It was like his stat line, 80 receiving yards.
10:06No, no target. Longest touchdown longest. What was it?
10:09Most receiving yards without a reception, which, by the way, is the nuttiest stat.
10:13And it's like, who's true? What do you mean receiving yards?
10:16I wasn't receiving yards. It should be like, shouldn't that have been rushing yards technically?
10:20If the ball was, I don't add rolled. I think because it was a pass play backwards.
10:26Like the idea if a quarterback throws a line of scrimmage, then that is considered a like a run.
10:31Well, what was it in the game book? What was the official stat line?
10:35It was receiving yards. Because it was an NFL record.
10:38The most receiving yards without a reception in NFL history.
10:41Okay. All right. That's the word. We like the two inside.
10:45Yeah. I would keep that. Okay. I'll stay. Yeah.
10:47Just for the start and sit. So I have Jawan Johnson and Tucker Kraft and I have PPR league.
10:53And I want to know, do I continue to start Johnson for the foreseeable future?
10:57And what are your guys' thoughts on Kraft? Is he just a hold for it?
11:02Oh, you're like that. Yeah. So I just want to see what you guys think about that.
11:07And that's all I had for you guys. Thanks Joe.
11:10Appreciate it, dude. Good question on Kraft because it has been weird.
11:14Like big Tucker Kraft podcast here, but the Packers have just been kind of in general, except my only problem with being
11:20anti-Kraft at any point is what we talked about with Salt.
11:23The running game is like the worst. Like when is it going to get better?
11:28Josh Jacobs is never coming back now at this point.
11:31They're just going to be throwing all season long and they're going to get him involved.
11:36So like, I don't want to give up on Kraft.
11:39And I think the long term, he's still the play, but for the foreseeable future, you have a tight, as my take,
11:45you have a tight, it's kind of like the Emeka Ibuka question.
11:49You have a tight end that is good. Like Salt had a wide receiver that is good.
11:54And if you miss out on the Kraft breakout game for Juwan Johnson, like we were saying, DJ more of our Emeka.
12:00I think I'm okay with that because I think it's, and also he is ranked higher by the way this week.
12:07Juwan Johnson is eight and Kraft is nine on the consensus.
12:10What say you though, Mr. Andrew Erickson? I think it's a good problem to have.
12:14I think that Juwan Johnson can just be your guy that you start week in and week out for the foreseeable future.
12:21Possible that his involvement changes when, and if Jordan Tyson comes back to the New Orleans Saints, Jordan Tyson is still a
12:27amazing stash considering how good the Saints offense has been, how productive they've been for fantasy.
12:32If that guy comes back and is healthy, you could potentially see a second half league winner in Jordan Tyson.
12:38So if he's out there on waivers, he was dropped, didn't get drafted because he's been hurt.
12:43Just something to kind of keep in mind. But with Kraft, we have to remember that the Packers told us that he
12:50was going to be slow to start the year because he's coming off his ACL injury.
12:55And although the snaps have up, have gone up in recent weeks.
12:58You still can't expect the guy to be as explosive as he was last year when that was how he got his fantasy points.
13:05What it was all yards after the catch. That's why Tucker Kraft does that as best.
13:10He was super efficient, has not been super efficient so far this season.
13:14So I think that you just keep Kraft on the bench right now.
13:18I think his production will improve because the Packers don't have any underneath targets because they just put Jayden Reed on injured reserve.
13:25So when it comes to who's the first underneath guy, I think that's going to be Kraft.
13:30And he's coming off such a bad game. I think they're going to be motivated to get him more involved after he
13:36had a couple drops, called out the fans for booing the offense when they were playing poorly.
13:41So clearly he's going to be motivated to play better in this matchup.
13:45And against the minute or excuse me, not the Minnesota Vikings, the Buccaneers, another very blitz happy defense, similar to when the
13:52Packers played the Minnesota Vikings earlier this season. Kraft could be that first read a lot of the time for Jordan Reedy,
13:58if he's trying or for Jordan Love, if he's trying to get the ball out quick to mitigate the blitz from Todd Bowles.
14:05So I like Kraft this week not as much as Juwan Johnson, but I think better days are ahead for the Packers tight end.
14:12Same as he's. I was just looking. He was running route percentage or route run.
14:17It was like 47% in week one for Kraft week two went up to 75%.
14:21And last week it was just under 70%. So he's at a total of 62.9%.
14:26So like right there. So I think it is moving in a more positive direction.
14:30I think they're going to continue to have to pass.
14:33And I, I, I think you actually just said it bad.
14:37Yeah. Best better days are ahead for Tucker. They can't run the ball and that's not going to change.
14:42Fitzy was talking about the tailgate show where they're signing guards off the street to try to salvage this offensive line.
14:48That is a total disaster and why they've been struggling so much to run the football.
14:53Mm hmm. Jorge, the lefty premium member of the fantasy bros discord.
14:57What's up, Jorge? You two questions. One, I'm not doing great at tight ends.
15:01Uh, I ended up picking up Waller for the matchup, but Sadiq is also available.
15:05So trying to figure out, you know, if this is gonna be my tight end going forward, like Schultz is also available,
15:12but you know, this is basically bottom of the barrel scraping.
15:15Would you go with Waller for the matchup this week?
15:18Hope Sadiq doesn't break out and he's no longer available.
15:21Or would you just say, screw it. Let's just get Sadiq to have a potential or long-term play.
15:27Erickson, I'm going to, I'm going to go to you.
15:30But before I do, Sadiq is 11 in fantasy bros consensus ranks and Darren Waller is 16.
15:35But I know you are a big Darren Waller guy.
15:38Yes. But in terms of rest of season, Darren Waller is not your.
15:42Yeah. It's what would you do? You take the risk of picking Waller because he's got a great matchup and potentially.
15:48I would only, I would only, so I like Waller more than Sadiq this week specifically, but that's only if I had both guys on my roster already.
15:56I would not pick up Darren Waller hoping that he can be my tight end all year long.
16:02Cause we doing this before, like he's going to probably play like another month and then get hurt and then be on injured reserve.
16:09I will say it's very interesting that. After Sadiq's game, he's still available.
16:13Yeah. That actually speaks well to you. So I did already break out.
16:16Yeah. Well, like to the point, if you want to make the argument of like, oh, well, I hope he doesn't have a good week this week.
16:24Well, he had an amazing week last week. So what's going to be the impetus for him to be picked up?
16:31I think the safest thing is taking Sadiq, but there is something to be said about your league that if they're not
16:37picking him up after he drops a hundo and a touchdown, then like maybe he sits one more.
16:43If you like Waller, like Erickson does over Sadiq this week, but the ECR does have Sadiq as a tight end one and Waller's not.
16:50So, yeah. I mean, it's also close enough where they can score very similar and you'd rather have Sadiq for the long-term upside.
16:57I mean, I think that we're overthinking this probably.
17:00I mean, Sadiq is a super close-eyed rookie tight end.
17:03We're not overthink it. We're just talking through it.
17:05It's Sadiq. Yeah. If there's any more context, I'm like a 10-point underdog based on Fantasy Pro's projections this year, this week in this matchup.
17:13So if, is that too much of a gap where you don't even think Waller could potentially make it?
17:18So just take the L this week and get Sadiq?
17:21Or do you think that upside potential is worth it to try to eke out a win I might not otherwise get?
17:28So wait, is that 10-point underdog with Waller in your lineup?
17:31Yeah, with Waller in my lineup. I mean, the funny thing is, is like Waller could easily have a two-touchdown game and he could pop back up.
17:39But I just think it's Sadiq. Also, Adai Mitchell is still like dicey with all that stuff.
17:44He's already dove. I mean, look, I'm moving Sadiq ahead of Waller.
17:48Okay, cool. Yes, that's the answer. That's just what we're doing.
17:51We're doing Sadiq. I mean, Waller's a good play too, but Sadiq already broke out last week.
17:56Mason Taylor's probably not going to play again. There's no Adai Mitchell again.
18:00They're facing the Bears. Yeah, just play Sadiq. Cool.
18:03What was the other one? So the other one is I never typically have two QBs on the team for one QB
18:09league, but I've got T-Law and Dak right now.
18:12And a league mate of mine who's 0-3, he just lost his quarterback for the season.
18:17He's debating giving up Cook. He's currently streaming Donald right now and he said he's potentially interested.
18:22My quarterback or sorry, my running backs are CMC and Scadabo.
18:25Is Cook worth crafting some kind of deal where I ship off Dak, Scadabo, and say like Higgins for a Cook in a Golden situation?
18:33Or is Cook just getting vultured too many touchdowns and maybe that's not the right play to ship off Dak at this point?
18:40I like it. The Higgins made me go eh, but Golden's a good solid return.
18:44I think I'm doing that. I think the upgrade of like that elite of a running back, you're taking a downgrade at
18:51the wide receiver to Golden from a wide receiver two to maybe more of a wide receiver three where Higgins has wide receiver at one upside.
18:58Golden probably has wide receiver two upside. I do not care about the quarterback.
19:03Cam, I'm lightening up a little bit on, but James Cook is, yeah, I'm working through that.
19:08I'm doing that trade. Also doing that trade. Okay.
19:10Jorge. So it is. Construct it. Let us know if you're able to pull that together.
19:15All right. Rain Man. Rain Man, what up? What's going on, gents?
19:19Come back to you the following week. Still dying on a vine due to long term injuries and a terrible start sit decision last week.
19:26So I had a quick, what was the bad start sit?
19:29Oh, I don't even want to admit it, but I went, played the matchup, which I never played the matchups and started.
19:36May over Lawrence and woke up Monday morning. Well, I woke up Monday.
19:40I was down. It doesn't matter, but I woke up Monday morning with a Broncos pick six touchdown.
19:45That would have given me the win. Had I started Lawrence.
19:48So you do not have to be ashamed about that.
19:51That, that hurts. That absolutely hurts when that happens.
19:54Believe me, we have all been there. We've been there this season.
19:58You see the one move and you're like, fuckers do the freaking freckle.
20:02But no one's going to blame you there. Like I thought, I thought may was going to bounce back last week.
20:08So that, that I thought you were going to be like, you know, I don't know.
20:13You know, you started some loser quarterback over like Brock Purdy or something like that.
20:17That's nothing to be ashamed of. Oh, I did start a loser quarterback.
20:21That's the problem. Anyway, like too true. Erickson, we were, we were so high on me and I got AJ.
20:27So that was like, that's killing me. So, but anyways, the two quick questions, one, just a receiver outlook, not sexy names, but between Addison and Jacoby Myers.
20:35I just liked that those guys don't leave the field.
20:38They're like 80% plus every week. And I do have Lawrence.
20:42Now the guy that had ETN only has Jente.
20:44So he's dying for some combination. So what, what's your thoughts with Addison and Kyler?
20:49He's only one of really two viable Vikings receivers with or without JJ.
20:53Addison was scoring last week. Is he worth a hold or should I package him up?
20:57And same with Myers again, BTJ is irrelevant at this point, as we've been talking about all year.
21:03So he might have some up and downs, but again, he doesn't leave the field either.
21:07So just curious on your outlook on those two and add one other quick one.
21:12Okay. Yeah, good. I'll hold you there. I'll just say this.
21:15If I'm going to trade Addison, it's after this week, after he plays the dolphins and he has 130 yards and two touchdowns from Kyler Murray.
21:23So I would consider the trade after they go against the worst secondary in the NFL.
21:28Erickson, any thoughts on either? Like maybe here's a better question.
21:31Which one do you want to hold more? If you were to hold one.
21:35Byers. Easy. Yeah, I think that he is going to net you less in a trade anyway.
21:40So you're going to get more for Addison to your point.
21:44If you do it after the Miami dolphins game, you may even have to do it because he's coming off a big game already.
21:51And Jefferson's already banged up and people know that the Miami dolphins matchup is good.
21:55So it's one of these things where you can kind of almost trade him with the baked in production that he's going to get most likely against Miami.
22:03To Kobe Myers is so solid. I think he would also see a significant upgrade in terms of targets.
22:09If Parker Washington were to get hurt something along those lines, because Myers always steps up.
22:14He's always productive. And Brian Thomas jr. Is not a focal point of his Jacks passing game.
22:19So Myers is a clear cut number two number receiver.
22:22And in games where the Jaguars are pushed a little bit more, I think Myers is going to be more involved.
22:28Like you look at the last couple of games that they played.
22:32It's blow out against the Browns. Denver Broncos on the road, tough matchup and then blow it against the Patriots.
22:38And Jacoby Myers was really good against the Patriots.
22:40So I would rather keep Myers, especially because you already have Trevor Lawrence.
22:44I like that stack. And I think you get more for Addison.
22:48I like it. What was your other question? So I just listened to the ranking show.
22:53So this is ideal timing. Erickson, I heard you talking about it's impossible to rank neighbors right now.
22:58I don't think JJ is any upgrade to even Jameis.
23:01And I could easily see, especially when it gets cold, that neighbors shoulder suddenly starts to hurt more and things like that.
23:08So between him or downs, I like downs, but he's kind of just that low yarded below a dot.
23:13I did hear your guys' point that his eight out is went from like seven to 11 or something.
23:19So that's nice. But between those two, if you were going to target one of them season long, who do you like?
23:25Yeah, man. Neighbors is a tough cookie to crack because as even though you can paint the optimistic picture about maybe how it could be better with McCarthy.
23:34McCarthy also was so bad last year for Justin Jefferson that I just can't get that out of my mind.
23:40And how frustrated Jefferson was. Imagine that being Malik name.
23:43Like that's not far fetched, right? Well, to think this could be a complete disaster.
23:47So writings on the wall, I'd rather just after I'd rather just go with Josh.
23:52So like if you were to be like in a vacuum, I want neighbors.
23:56He's more talented. But why Josh Downs is fun is I love the matchup this week, by the way.
24:02It's graded out one of the better matchups, Josh.
24:04I was praying Josh Downs receptions were going to be at 4.5.
24:08They're they're juiced at 5.5, but I still might take them.
24:11You better not have them on the prop sheet this week.
24:14Do you have Josh? No, I have a different.
24:17I have a different receiver in that game. Okay.
24:20But Josh, the cost cost equity. Josh Downs is going to cost you so much less than neighbors that I I co-sign
24:26like go trade for Downs because I think he just costs a bunch more and things are turning in a relatively positive direction.
24:33Good questions. Good questions. What's up, Cornwallis? What up?
24:36Hey, what's up, guys? I got a real question and a silly fake question.
24:40Okay. Great question. What was the worst play the Drake may blood fumble or the Mark Sanchez but bumble?
24:46Um, hold on. Let's hold on. Let's sit on that for a second.
24:50Blood fumble or but I don't know. But fumbles pretty bad.
24:53But fumble, especially on Thanksgiving. The kids were watching the whole family was watching.
24:57And everyone's talking about weeks. Yeah, exactly. It's a butt fumble.
25:00But it's a good it's a good question. Okay.
25:03Sorry. I was just being straight. No, it's important.
25:06But important things. The real question is Dalton Schultz or Britain strange.
25:09I just feel like Dalton Schultz is ranked higher, but his usage was completely bonkers last week and I don't really know what to make of it.
25:17And I kind of like strangers matchup. Yeah, that's funny.
25:20You say that Bogman is massively big on Britain strange this week due to matchup.
25:25So that might be the plan. I'm a little I mean, Nico's back.
25:29Schultz just kind of goes by the wayside a little bit.
25:32I'm down playing the the theoretical upside of Britain strange.
25:35What do you think? I agree. Clean sweep with Britain strange.
25:38I'm glad that Bogs has talked about it liking strange.
25:41I've listened to a lot of different NFL shows this week, and they've talked about the Bengals weakness on their defense.
25:47And this doesn't come as a surprise to us fantasy players because we've been attacking tight ends at the Bengals for the last several years.
25:55But it's this spine of their defense, the middle of the field that you rip apart.
26:00And Liam Cohen knows that. And they've actually been talking up right and strange a decent amount about, hey, we still want to get this guy more involved.
26:08So squeaky wheel positive matchup, a player that they like to feature in the end zone in the red zone area.
26:14And similar to the Jacoby Myers usage of how he's always on the field.
26:18Brent strange has one of the highest route participations among tight ends.
26:22So plays every single snap targets haven't flowed his way because it's really just been the Parker Washington show.
26:28But the Bengals do have a couple of decent corners and Washington gets locked up a little bit more.
26:33You're going to see strange eat over the middle.
26:36So Schultz showed last week that he's not this super dynamic tight end.
26:40That's always going to be featured. And also Nick Haley is the office coordinator and somehow doesn't use Schultz against a terrible Colts defense.
26:47That's terrible against tight ends. And Nico being back obviously changes the equation pretty significantly for someone like Dalton Schultz.
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29:22All right, let's go to our boy, Manliness. What's up, man?
29:26Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I'm curious about full PPR.
29:29I'm deciding between starting Aaron Jones or Jalen Waddell.
29:32At least a little while ago, I saw Andrew had Aaron Jones higher and Welsh had Waddell higher.
29:37I was curious if you could maybe have that discussion a little bit.
29:41And if you have time, I'm also just wondering what you're thinking about Waddell sort of season long perspective.
29:47I felt like we had that first week where he wasn't involved and the second week was great.
29:52And then this third week, you know, decent number of targets, but disappointing score.
29:56Do you see his trajectory kind of going up or down or just going back and forth over the course of the season?
30:03Yeah. So the 49ers, their secondary has definitely played up.
30:06They grade out well, you know, Lenore and everything.
30:09But the thing that works well, I actually want to see this percentage before I talk too far out of one side
30:15of my mouth is really about being able to tackle Upton Stout.
30:19And like Waddell, I know Pat Bryan has been more of like a primary slot guy, but Waddell is going to move through and do that.
30:27And you can beat Upton Stout and coverage grades are have Stout more on him.
30:31So if he's playing on the outside, it doesn't work like the best situation because of like how green and Lenore have played.
30:38But I'm confident they're going to play more on the upside.
30:41You can pass against the 49ers. They're not gonna be able to establish much of a, I mean, I guess their running game has been disaster ish.
30:49They can run against the Niners in some capacity, but the Niners give up big, deep plays.
30:55It's what they do. And Jalen Waddell is great after the catch.
30:58I think just Waddell's in a phenomenal situation here.
31:01So I think this is the start of him getting right.
31:04The long-term question is kind of interesting, but what do you think about, I mean, you can do Aaron Jones versus Waddell
31:11here, but I don't think we, you and I have talked about Jalen Waddell in a little while.
31:16This is the Jalen Waddell experience. Unfortunately, it's a lot of really high highs and then a lot of really low lows.
31:23We were disappointed. It's only been three weeks and we know the Broncos offense has not reached its full form.
31:28So the fact that he has at least had one good game is at least encouraging and that he's been more involved
31:35the last two weeks versus week one, which I think definitely looks more like an anomaly than anything else.
31:41How little involvement he got. So Broncos still haven't run the ball.
31:4452% out of the slot, by the way. I just wanted to throw that in.
31:49Cause I, Pat Bryant was there early 52% out of the slot, which will be upped and stout.
31:54Yeah. So I think Waddell is always going to be a boom or bust type of play.
31:59Most weeks matchup is favorable. Like you kind of outlined, but Aaron Jones seems like he's pretty secure with what his role is going to be.
32:07As long as Jordan Mason is sidelined, they have talked about getting Claymore a little bit more involved and eventually they're not
32:14gonna be able to give Aaron Jones 20 touches because frankly, the guy can't handle that every single week.
32:19He's just going to break down and I don't think they hate Aaron Jones that much that where they're going.
32:25They love Aaron Jones. I don't think they want to necessarily feature him in this much, but just based on their backfield,
32:32they're kind of forcing their hand a little bit.
32:34And it's also the dolphins. I did talk about the rank show how the dolphins defense against the runs actually not that terrible.
32:41They're just really, really bad against the past. And that's why teams just don't like to throw on them because none of
32:48their guys can cover in any way, shape or form.
32:51When Rashi rice is five yards open against all of your defensive backs, that just kind of tells you how bad the
32:57secondary is at covering their players because Rashi rice is not an elite separator by any way, shape or form.
33:03So I think it's a floor ceiling conversation. I think Aaron Jones comes with a much higher floor and I think there
33:10is a little bit of ceiling to with them because it is a dolphins team.
33:14That's going to allow the Vikings to have a lot of red zone opportunities.
33:19So I just see the path for Aaron Jones being pretty easy, whereas Waddle, I think just comes with a larger range of outcomes.
33:26So that's why I slightly have Jones ahead of Waddle.
33:29Well, that was pretty favorable. Uh, fantasy bros projections around five catches for over 60 yards receiving, which is good.
33:35Do you have any take on the longterm thing?
33:37I mean, did you already kind of hit where you wanted with that?
33:41Like, I like, do you think Waddle can be a top 20 wide receiver rest of season?
33:46Yeah, I think so. Okay. I think that's definitely in his range of outcomes.
33:50As we like to say, it's just a matter of the Bo Nix ride.
33:55He's a roller coaster quarterback. Would you make a bet that he was a top 20 wide receiver rest of season?
34:01Definitely had in my top 20 receivers entering draft season.
34:04And he's, he has one good game, one really bad game, one so, so game.
34:08So I'm not willing to jump off the Waddle bandwagon.
34:11So yeah, I would say top 20. Think where let's see.
34:15Rest of season rankings. See if I can put my money where my mouth is.
34:19I have Jalen Waddle as my wide receiver 20.
34:22Hey, look at that. Just like we planned it.
34:24Perfect. Perfect. Love it. All right. Coquai, I think is what it is.
34:28A phenomenal picture of a Nicholas cage from face off.
34:31What up, dude? Hey, what's going on guys? Did I say it right?
34:35I know we did. Um, or, oh, it's a, it's cookie.
34:38No, I'm good. Yeah. It's all right. I'm stupid.
34:41Quick. Erickson, no face off yet. No, I've seen face off.
34:44That was the beginning of the season. He, yeah, we opened the season.
34:48Actually the artwork. If people haven't seen it on discord.
34:51There's a shirt. Yeah. There's actually, there's actually a shirt where our, our art guy is not AI or I mean, I
34:58don't know, maybe they did, but it's, it's me and Erickson remaking the face off picture, like the artwork from like the
35:04DVD and it is on a shirt on the fantasy pro store right now.
35:09And that is our artwork because Erickson finally committed to seeing it.
35:12I'm not sure if a single human being has purchased said shirt, but it is available out there.
35:17I completely missed that. All right, cool. I have to look that up more importantly.
35:22Uh, so I'm sitting here. Well, let me go straight to this team.
35:26It's my wife's team that I helped draft and they are, she's 0 and 3 put the team roster on the chat
35:32to look at a lot of injuries just kind of piled up on this team.
35:37Uh, AJ Brown and, uh, Nico Collins, especially. I know it was a broad question, man, but I mean, are we in panic mode?
35:44Should I start trying to help her make trades and get this, get out of this funk?
35:49Did you, is this like an 0 and 3 team?
35:52Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I didn't hear that. Okay. Very good question.
35:55I like how a screenshot too has like a slight little picture of just me, like my chest, uh, that's attached to it.
36:02That's making me laugh. He's got Burrow, James Cook, Henderson, Egbuka, Collins, Kittle.
36:06You got Tate at flex on the bench guys like Coker, Loveland.
36:10So I mean, in like a perfect world, ironically, it's weird.
36:13You have Loveland and Kittle. You had this great Loveland pick.
36:16You would have Coker in our Jordan Mason or Jadarian price.
36:19Like a lot of things have not worked in your favor.
36:23A Mecca has been down. Nico Collins has been hurt.
36:26It's still just like a strong team though. And AJ Brown, he's got on the IR.
36:31Like, do you want to blow stuff up or do you want to make a big major change?
36:36Or do you want to be like, Hey, this is the week it's going to bounce back with some of these guys.
36:42Cause there's only so much longer you can wait or she can wait.
36:46Yeah. I think too, it does really depend on the players and the context.
36:51Cause every, right. Every O and three team has its own story, right?
36:54We can kind of think about what a lot of O and three teams look like.
36:59They look like I drafted AJ Brown. I drafted Puka Nakua.
37:02I drafted Nico Collins. Like that's the very common theme with these teams.
37:06But this week in particular week four, it looks like Puka is going to come back and play.
37:12It looks like Nico's going to come back and play.
37:15So that's giving you an opportunity to, okay, I invested a lot of draft capital into these players and now I get a chance to actually play them.
37:23And they are in good spots. Like Nico Collins is facing the Dallas Cowboys this week.
37:28So you haven't had in the last couple of weeks.
37:31That's probably been part of the reason why you haven't won any of your recent matchups because you're missing your top receiver.
37:37You haven't had AJ Brown, but you have depth.
37:40So you have Jalen Coker, you have Carnell Tate as an option that you can use.
37:45You have George Kittle as a tight end to fill the void that Holston Loveland has not been able to produce in.
37:51So I don't look at this roster and think, oh, this roster is dead on arrival.
37:56I think it's a roster that you could see having more favorable production down the stretch.
38:01Even a guy like Joe Burrow, we know Joe Burrow traditionally doesn't play well to start the season.
38:06Now he's been weak for it's a good matchup against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
38:10I love this one. So I think when I look at this roster, right, it's like Henderson has RB two.
38:16Okay. Like you have a bunch of RB twos that have kind of generic price.
38:21Jordan Mason got hurt. Okay. Like RB two is probably your biggest hole, but like throwing Henderson out there as like a flex play.
38:28I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world, right?
38:31Especially I assume that this is like a 12 team league.
38:34So there are much worse flex plays that you could have than a Travion Henderson.
38:39So I don't really think that you would blow it up.
38:42I mean, a Buka now with the quarterback injury, that makes him a tough click.
38:46Maybe wide receiver depth said it was 10. Yeah.
38:49Oh, 10 team league. Okay. So yeah, so that does definitely make it.
38:53You know what I would do? Like I would, I would test the waters to try to do something at RB and let me throw this at you.
39:01Like what if you could take you, you have a, cause here's the problem.
39:06You don't have a surplus of a lot of things.
39:09We have a surplus of tight ends. I actually like leveling this week.
39:12What if you could take a Kittle who's ranked really high and then you could pair with a Jadarian price and go get like a Jalen Warren.
39:20You know what I mean? Like something like that.
39:23Like you're not going to high end on, and obviously that team would need to a tight end to want Kittle, but
39:30get a running back of that ilk and then try to get a more stable RB to and trade from some of that depth.
39:37And you know, maybe you could do better than what I just laid out there, but that's, I think what I would
39:43be trying to do that because it's like, what's your other strength?
39:47Nico Collins is back. They, do you want to trade from that?
39:51Uh, you're still without AJ Brown. Like I, but I don't want to blow anything up.
39:55I would just try to consolidate maybe a little bit from that strength and see it, see if somehow I could upgrade that RB to.
40:03Yeah, I think, uh, an interesting trade you can make is trying to get Aaron Jones, knowing that a manager might want
40:09to try to offload him because his production is really high right now, but we all understand that his production is going
40:16to fall off when the other running backs get healthy and you already have Jordan Mason on your roster.
40:22So you get the Aaron Jones production now to help you in now.
40:25And then when Jordan Mason comes back, you can use him as your RB to so you're just mixing in Vikings running back and that RB to slot.
40:34And I think too, there's enough pieces here where egg Buka plus something could probably get you a player like Aaron Jones.
40:40Jalen Coker could probably should get you a player like Aaron.
40:44Like, again, I don't want to trade Coker, but you need an RB to if they needed it.
40:49Kittle. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So there you go. There you go.
40:52You got that llama. What's up? Llama. Yo, uh, it's my first time here.
40:56Uh, thanks for taking my question. Um, but I'm in a full PPR keeper league and I had a trade question.
41:03Put my current roster in the chat as well.
41:05I'd basically be sending Puka Nakua, Quinshawn Judkins and Rashad Bateman.
41:09And I received safe flowers and Shuba Hubbard. Yep.
41:11Sorry. Hold on. Hold on. You just said yep.
41:14Quick. You are. You send Puka, Judkins and Bateman.
41:17So it's essentially Judkins and Puka to get flowers and Shuba.
41:20Yes. Yeah. And I put my current roster in the chat too.
41:24Okay. But Erickson, do it. It's a keeper league.
41:26You want Zay flowers or Puka Nakua for the rest of their careers?
41:30Right now. I want Puka. Do you? Yeah. That's what I'm confused.
41:34You're like, you're like, yes, absolutely. And then Judkins versus Shuba.
41:37Like, I mean, I don't want Shuba right now, but I mean, those are two young assets.
41:42I don't think you're, I would not be keeping real quick.
41:45I would not be keeping Puka cause that's a converse round, obviously.
41:49And this is the first year we're doing keeper.
41:52Oh yeah. Peace out. Yeah. Okay. Super important context.
41:54Yeah. Yeah. Because if I, I want, I mean, I guess it's interesting.
41:58I didn't realize that you would take flowers Erickson over Puka and I'm taking Puka for sure.
42:03Regardless of his nonsense, but. Well, I think that's, that's what plays me.
42:07Cause he has, I mean, he's talked actively about wanting to retire early.
42:11Yeah. That concerns me about someone that longterm yet.
42:14He doesn't have the contract yet from the, I mean, the Rams have been kind of dragging their feet with signing him
42:20to a longterm extension contract, which has still not happened.
42:23Whereas they flowers, that dude is locked up to Lamar Jackson for the longterm.
42:27And he's only played like one and a half games so far, dude, you you've seen the thing with a flowers and
42:34how many yards he's averaging this year. Per route run.
42:37No, but it's bad. It's probably like 27 or something.
42:40It's not nine. Oh, nine yards. It's freaking ridiculous.
42:43And he has like a 50% target share when he's running around.
42:46No, the first game helped a lot. So I don't know.
42:49And then Judkins and Chuba. I want Judkins and dynasty over, but getting to keep Zay flower, I guess, Lama, we probably should have asked.
42:57It would have just been fun to know. And by the way, thank you for the question.
43:02Like what round is a flowers? You know, because if you want to ask of like production, rest of season, if that,
43:09if Zay flowers is also really not. I mean, he didn't say Zay flowers isn't keepable, but if he's a second rounder,
43:15that's a little different, but yeah, I think you can do that trade.
43:19That's a fine trade. It's a good one. Important, super important context of knowing that you can't keep Puka.
43:25We got a lot of questions this week and we'll probably try to go into lightning round.
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44:18All right. Nick, what up, Nick? Hey guys. Appreciate you as always.
44:22I'm going to send my team in. I'm own three, but I feel like it's starting to come together.
44:28Just curious what your thoughts are on the construction.
44:30Uh, you were super helpful last week with like getting Kyler and Stafford onto the team.
44:35I think the Kyler thing, I don't really trust it over Stafford anymore, but although the matchup this week is good, but
44:42anyway, just curious what you think of the construction at Owen three again, like the question earlier, do I try and blow it up?
44:49Do I try and make moves or do I just study the shit?
44:53Okay. I'm Kyler this week, by the way, over Stafford.
44:56I don't know where you sit on that. Uh, yes.
44:59But, but yeah. Okay. Well, just making sure everybody's dicey.
45:02Bogman was like dicey about it too. And it's just like, it's a, it's an all time matchup.
45:07The dolphins are just so bad. So bad on that.
45:10Like I Kyler, like he can miss five throws against them and then he just get five throws that he would hit.
45:16No, they just can't cover or no one's open.
45:19It'll just run for 50, a hundred percent. That's also true.
45:22I mean, he, he was running around last week, even after the concussion.
45:26So I think that he's the matchups too good.
45:29I think what he's talking about here with his roster is like burden finally got involved again.
45:34And then Jeremiah love is trending in the right direction.
45:37So that's why this team is moving through. So he's got Stafford, Bijan love burden, McConkie, Laporta, Addison.
45:42Your bench stinks though. I don't remember how big this team is.
45:46It's like, why is conception and lemon like only it?
45:49Uh, but you're in a great spot for this week.
45:52I am blowing anything up this week. You got love versus the giants.
45:56Addison is in your flex versus Miami. You could, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm all, I'm all games.
46:01He's here with this. I don't think I want to blow anything up here, but I do want some other wide receivers, please.
46:08I think I would probably not keep two defenses.
46:11Yeah. I saw that. Yeah. I would. Yeah. Unless your league requires you to, to do that.
46:16I don't think it's worth holding onto the Bengals defense to stream the bears defense, add more depth, right?
46:21We just talked about it. I get that lemon and conception on our rookies that we're holding out hope for, but he
46:28said that he's going to try to stream Cincinnati next week.
46:31So, I mean, if that's what you want to do, that's fine.
46:35If there's no depth on waivers and that that's fine too.
46:38But I would say like, I like prioritizing defensive streamers for the following week.
46:42If there really is nothing on waivers. Yeah. That's really because whenever you prioritize defensives, a lot of times you get burned
46:49because defenses are some of the most have the utmost variance.
46:52A lot of the time when it comes to what they do on a week by week basis, because it's so turnover based.
46:59So if there is anything else available, he says Keenan's on waivers.
47:03Do you want Keenan Allen on your roster? I mean, that doesn't really move the needle for me.
47:08So they're probably just keep the defense. Yeah, I think that's fine.
47:12Good spot. Don't blow it up quite yet. And, and you might have some trade chips.
47:16Who did I just bring up? I'm back next week and we'll, and we'll see if we want to.
47:22Yeah. We might want to blow it up next week, but I think you're in a good spot for this week.
47:28What's up devil. Kind of a tough question for lightning around, but I'll try to keep it quick.
47:34I'm one and two mainly because of Drake may.
47:36So I made a trade that kind of got me in a good spot.
47:40So I got rid of a J Brown, Bucky and Carnell Tate.
47:44I got my homes Puka and tootin feels like a major steal, but he had Brock pretty.
47:49So I don't think he really cared about homes too much.
47:52Yeah. In that trade, but you did a good job.
47:55Like that's not what we got excited about, but great job.
47:59Sick. Yeah. Well, yeah. So the issue is, and I'll post my team in the chat.
48:03My tight end one is likely who I'm obviously not very excited to run the rest of the season and there's not really much options out there.
48:11Wide receiver. That's also not the best. So I'm curious if I'm either getting greedy, but should I maybe try to shop
48:18Puka to get a better tight end and a wide receiver too?
48:22Or do you just kind of lock in, not be greedy, stick with kind of the two stud wide receivers?
48:28Nope. Don't be greedy. I don't think so. I don't think you're getting Bowers or any, I mean, I guess if you're
48:34trading to Puka, you could get into that range, but you got chase and Puka right now and Josh down.
48:40So I don't think I personally am putting Puka out there.
48:43The only thing I'm listening to is me getting McBride or Bowers and I would still want more.
48:49So that's why I don't think I'm doing it.
48:51I think I'd send the trade at least to see what, like you just want to go Puka straight up for, I
48:58mean, what's the, I mean, what's the difference between Puka and Bowers at this point?
49:02Except one place tight end. And then they're both injury risks.
49:06Puka's coming off of his injury. Yeah. You're not worried about Bowers biting anybody too, which is decent, but I don't know though, but okay.
49:13So here's my problem with that trade though. Andrew Erickson.
49:16Then your wider singer too, is Josh downs on his team.
49:19The depth of his wide receivers, not as a number two, the rest of season.
49:24Then he's got me and Mitchell rest of season.
49:27I want him as a flex. Josh downs is the number one wide receiver on his team.
49:32Rest of season. No, not like it. We're in, we're in different.
49:35What do you think about where's Josh downs in the rest of season rankings?
49:39He's just not the wide receiver too. I want when you start two wide receivers, I don't want to start Josh downs.
49:46I want to like find awesome matchups like this week to put him in.
49:50He has Jamar chase and Puka and Akua right now.
49:53Okay. But then he's going to have Brock Bowers at tight end instead of Isaiah likely who has a chance to just
50:00be a nothing burger with this rotating carousel of tight end.
50:03So he's basically just taking L's every single week, right?
50:06You got to sacrifice something. So would you rather punt tight end or make Josh downs a wide receiver to punt tight ends?
50:13I, you know what I would want to do too.
50:16I would see if I could go and push like a Darren Waller available.
50:20Yeah. Yeah. Maybe your Sadiq is going out there, but also like, maybe I could try to acquire Tucker craft.
50:26We were just talking about like, I think the best is to come.
50:30Maybe you can go get him on the cheap for something a lot less.
50:34So that's Josh downs for Tucker craft. Yeah. I mean, do you think you, I almost think like, could you go less?
50:41He has Blake Corum. Could you trade like Corum for credit?
50:44Maybe not. Yeah. I like, I like that. Camara.
50:47Maybe he has a good, Hey, Bill cross. Bill gets like a touchdown and stuff.
50:51And someone on some running back debt. Like that's what I'm saying.
50:55Yes. Do likely. And what's his face for craft?
50:57Like Corum and like, or do you craft? I mean, do you just go for the ultimate by 11 calls?
51:03And I'm totally down with that. I love that.
51:06I'm so down with that. I'm almost scored. Dude, Loveland people forget coming off his best game of the year.
51:12Dude. For 41 yards. Like and we'll score a touchdown.
51:15Likely in Corum for Loveland right now. Go do that.
51:18Who says no, who says no, except the guy who owns them.
51:21All right. 10 minute warning lightning round as best as you can, or we won't get to all of these, which is definitely a possibility.
51:29How many do we have? We have like 12 more questions and we have 10 minutes.
51:34So. All right. We got to do. All right.
51:36Let's, let's, let's rapid fire on it as best as possible.
51:40You got to keep one question. One question. Yes.
51:42One question only. One question. Buzzard unmute yourself. Unmute please.
51:45So we can get you to beautiful picture of a cat too, by the way.
51:50Unmute. Going once, going twice. Buzzard figured out and then let us know.
51:54And we'll try to get you back up. Or Ronan.
51:57What up? And it's always like that. Hey, John.
51:59What up dude? And a half PPR. Where did you go with Sadiq or JCM in your finals flex spot?
52:05Ooh, tight end or running back. Half PPR? Half.
52:08I'll go with JCM. I'll go with JCM too.
52:11Colts. I wanted to say Sadiq though. But I didn't.
52:14Shiam. Uh, Angel? You must unmute. What up? Hey guys.
52:17What's up? Hey, I'm in a tight end bind.
52:19I got Kyle Pitts. Thought he'd be a monster and he's a dud.
52:23And it's, I have, I added Darren Waller. I don't have any other tight ends.
52:28Not much available to pick up. Do I try to trade for like craft?
52:32What do you guys suggest? Yeah. We both just advocated for trying to trade for craft.
52:37If you can, I think, I think craft and Loveland are the two guys that they are really interesting tight end by Lowe's.
52:43I would go for, but you could, I mean, Waller is a good play this week at least.
52:49Yeah. I think I would ride Waller and just kind of wait and see a little bit with this.
52:54Right. One game with Penix obviously didn't do anything.
52:57Is he going to have three targets every single week?
53:00I don't think so. Play Waller this week for the touchdown upside like Erickson wants and then see if what happens with Pitts.
53:07Yeah. Give Pitts another week. Just kind of see if it's the same thing.
53:11Then, okay, let's try to get a long-term answer, but in the short term, just roll with Waller.
53:16I'm down with that. Sir Buckets, your majesty, come down.
53:19Hey, what's up guys? What up? I said through it in the chat.
53:23I'll tell you my team real quick. I got a Josh Allen, Hampton, a Hall, Amon Ra, Pickens, Kelsey.
53:29And I'm wondering if I should trade for RB or just write out Hampton or Breeze.
53:34What do you think? I don't want to write out Hampton.
53:37I would trade. I would just trade Hampton for Baysheltoon.
53:40Yep. I'm 100% co-sign on that. I love that.
53:43That's the trade. Honestly, I mean, I would even trade.
53:46I mean, if you need wins now, I mean, Breeze Hall for Baysheltoon feels gross, but Breeze Hall's also injured and he's not going to help you.
53:54Yeah. That's not a bad movie. Not bad. All right.
53:57Let's try buzzer one more time. Buzzard unmute. You're still muted.
54:00Oh, there you go. Hey, thank you. Thank you guys for the second opportunity.
54:04So what do you guys trade Bucky for two in?
54:07Yes. And Kittle or Juwan rest of season. Who would you trade full PPR?
54:11Well, I want Kittle. So I would trade Juwan because Tyson comes back and ruins it.
54:16So Juwan, but he doesn't get what Kittle gets.
54:19And then I'm fine. I think tootin and Bucky are pretty like the same.
54:23Right. I think Bucky is way shakier rest of season.
54:26Is where you want is why what shake shake here.
54:29Shake here. Do you want buck? Do you want do you think having a Buccaneers offensive player is going to be good rest of season?
54:36I think it's a fair question to ask in week three when they've been this bad, but like unless you are sold
54:43on, they are going to continuously be this bad the entire year.
54:47I kind of think they won't be, but it's versus attaching yourself to the Jaguars have only been good.
54:52I think they're it's it's a fine trade. Like I'm not against your trade at all.
54:57Like I think tootin is a fricking beast. So I'm totally cool with doing that trade.
55:02What's up moment. What up? Hello. Thank you. Thanks for having me first time coming.
55:06I'll make this quick. Yeah, I noticed that Charbonnet is coming off of injury soon.
55:11I was looking to trade to get him to add some running back depth.
55:15I'm looking to trade either maybe Michael Wilson or Denzel Boston.
55:18What do you think? Do you hate me for not wanting to trade either one of those guys?
55:24I mean, if he needs running back depth, like clearly he doesn't.
55:27It seems like he's not playing either of his receivers.
55:30Are you worried at all that there's four? I mean, you were like, I'm Eddie Wilson.
55:35Like, are you worried they're going to have all these guys and Charbonnet is not going to be able to do what
55:41he even did last year and also his health and how long it takes.
55:46Like, I think both of those guys are pretty productive right now.
55:49If I had to choose, I think I'm keeping Wilson over Boston.
55:53I think Boston's super fun and is a brand new shiny toy and stuff.
55:57But like Marvin Harrison doesn't exist. Michael Wilson's just going to keep rolling out.
56:01Why they're not going to throw it to him 10 times a game?
56:05I guess I'm just not too keen on trading away a rookie wide receiver that is shown out in his first three games.
56:12I gotcha. That's the only reason I would be hesitant to do that.
56:16But I kind of agree with you. Like, I'd rather just keep those guys.
56:20I'm keeping those guys over Charbonnet. That's my aim.
56:23I mean, unless your running back situation is so dire and these are like your fifth and sixth guy.
56:28I mean, I would rather just trade for Jordan Mason.
56:31Can you do that? Yeah. I mean, I think those guys should be able to get you like a quorum or something,
56:38you know, or even maybe a Bill Krosky. Like, I don't think the value is equated.
56:43That's a good point. I think I would aim higher than Charbonnet.
56:46Yeah, I would 100% aim higher. Otherwise, I'm not doing it.
56:49RA. JP7. That's his screen name. Premium member of the Fantasy Pros Discord.
56:53You must unmute. Going once. Oh, sorry. I thought I muted.
56:57No, it's all right. Long time listener. First time caller.
57:00I'm going to quickly send my team. 12 team keeper.
57:02You start two QBs, two RBs, three wide receivers, one wide tight end flex.
57:07My concern is my, do I need to maybe make a change?
57:10I'm three and O, by the way. We need to make a change or just kind of sit back and I don't
57:17know, just wait a week or so to see if there's any moves to make.
57:21Yeah. And I think his quarterbacks really stink, but they've been performing well in Kirk Cousins, but it's because Jaden Daniels is down.
57:28I think I'm holding tight because if Daniels comes back, but I will say, I think, you know, it's a strong team, but it was a keeper though.
57:36So it's like, I don't want to trade. He's got guys like neighbors and McMillan and stuff.
57:42Maybe there's something to be said that you consolidate off of neighbors and a keeper league, which is going to have a
57:48ton of value and he could put Luther burden or he's got Braylon.
57:52I mean, I'm going to play Braylon Allen over neighbors this week alone.
57:56Maybe neighbors is the guy you try to see if you can make a big quarterback swing trade for.
58:02Oh yeah. I like that idea, especially cause it's a keeper league.
58:05So even though his production has been lackluster and the projection this year is still kind of up in the air, you'll
58:12still get a really strong return for him. Cause I think that I look at this team, right?
58:17Like you're a kind of like one elite quarterback away getting, getting Jane Daniels back from like making a legit run here.
58:24So I would use neighbors package him with, could you get Purdy back?
58:27I would package him with Kirk. I would package him with Kirk cousins.
58:31Who's playing really, really well right now for Fernando Mendoza's, the farthest away from ever playing a snap for the Las Vegas Raiders.
58:38Cause everything's going great for the Raiders. Put those two guys together and see what upgrade at court.
58:44I mean, just go get Drake, man. And just say like, this is, this is a time to buy Drake, man, dude.
58:50When I was updating my dynasty rankings, it took, it took everything in my power to refuse from dropping Drake may significantly
58:57because of how bad he's looked, but it's like dynasty it's keeper.
59:00Like, so Drake may, he would be a screaming by.
59:03Yeah. Love it. Love it. Love it. Catalyst. What up?
59:06Hey guys. So I post my team on chats.
59:09I'm doing dynasty rebuild right now. And just want to know if there's anything else that I should be selling or just hold everything.
59:16Where is, okay. So 12th team, super flex tight and premium.
59:19Brissette, Gentie, Alave, uh, hold. I think this is, I think these are all holds.
59:24Erickson. Do you feel anything to do? It's not the full team that I'm seeing here.
59:29I'm seeing Herbert Brissette of the two. You, I mean, solid running back, solid wide receivers.
59:33I mean, you need more wide receivers. You're building, you're playing into next year.
59:38The question would be what to sell off. I don't, I don't think I'm selling anything here.
59:43Catalyst. Uh, just look at this roster. Sell off.
59:45Yeah. I mean, it's a rebuild hold type of team.
59:48Like he's a tight. I mean, the only thing.
59:51I mean, I get, I mean, Brissette, I guess he's an older quarterback.
59:55Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he has stand. I mean, he has value right now.
59:59Cause he puts up points and super flex league.
60:02So if you trade into a team that needs production from a quarterback, Brissette would be the guy to deal.
60:08Cause his longterm value is probably not super high.
60:10All right. Let's get two more. Juanito. What up Juanito?
60:13Hey guys. Thank you for taking my question. Half PPR 12 team league.
60:17Kyler's currently my quarterback because Caleb Williams is hurt.
60:20Would you guys try and trade Caleb and Javante Williams for burrow and love the manager who has burrow.
60:26Um, also as golf. So I'm trying to hit him up because, uh, his by situation.
60:30I'm sorry. I'm done. Did you say this is a two quarterback league?
60:34No. So you want to train burrow and love you want?
60:37No, no, no. I want to trade Caleb, Caleb Williams and Javante for burrow and love.
60:42Jeremiah love. For Jeremiah love. Gotcha. Okay. Cause it's the quarterback club, which I was getting confused with.
60:48I think that's kind of a cool buy. Yeah.
60:50I'm I'm down. I really don't care about like the quarterback consolidating.
60:54Well, you get a quarterback. That's not injured. Yeah.
60:57And I got it. I don't think that matters.
60:59Jeremiah love, which I think is on the ascend.
61:02So yeah, I'm down with that. I think there's a good trade.
61:05Okay. Yeah. It's a good trade. All right. Sully last one up.
61:09And then we always have overtime here on the extra point, which we'll try to get to, but what's up Sully?
61:15Hey guys. Just quick question. I get 14 team, uh, PPR league dropping Godwin for Chris Bell.
61:20A good idea at this point in season. Thanks.
61:23Ooh, God. Um, I don't want to do that.
61:26You want to do that? You hate the box.
61:28I do. I really do hate the box. I guess for me, it's like, I don't want to miss the boat potentially
61:35on Chris Bell, holding on to Godwin. When, when what's, what's the point?
61:39Like. That's fair. I just want to point out your tweet though, about where it was like, you're like, look at, uh, what was it?
61:46Busting your fab for a running back on one of the worst offenses.
61:50What's the upside. I love Chris Bell and all, but like, do you think the dolphins like receiving upside with what Malik
61:57does in passing is better than the running, but you know what I'm getting at here?
62:02Like versus Godwin, like I get what you're saying, but do you really think we're going to miss the boat on a dolphins wide receiver for this year?
62:10No, that's, that's a very valid point. Nick is also bring up in the chat that Godwin did have that sick touchdown last week.
62:17That was called back to a penalty. That is, that is very fair.
62:21So. Yeah, I think I guess maybe give it a week then.
62:24I guess for me, it's like, what's Chris Bell going to do against the Vikings that you're like, oh man, I got
62:31to have this guy on my roster. But, but again, we need to revisit this question next week at the top of the show.
62:38Chris Bell or Chris Godwin. Yeah, let's put a pin in that.
62:42All right, perfect. You guys, the most ridiculous episode we've had on this from our standpoint, because this room, this room was
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