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0:22news that I don't, I got to be honest with you.
0:25I don't recall if we speculated this both off air or on air, but we were talking about the Colts.
0:31It was probably off air. And we had literally been talking about Josh Downs as maybe another player that could be moved.
0:38And guess what? News came down like 20 minutes ago that Josh Downs has requested a trade.
0:43So that sparked up a conversation off air for the three of us of what would make sense, who would trade him.
0:49And then here's another interesting thing. He's not, um, he's not rank worthy here.
0:53He doesn't make the top 36 wide receivers of what we're going to talk about today.
0:58And I had to look through that. So the question is, Erickson, we'll start with you.
1:03What is a good destination for Josh Downs to go to?
1:06And would that destination get him back to viability?
1:09Because this was a guy that was in the thirties or late twenties at this point.
1:13And he does not register even in week eight as a top 36 wide receiver.
1:18Yeah. It has not been a fun ride for the Josh Downs investors with Keenan Allen involved, Daniel Jones playing very, very poorly.
1:24There's a reason why Josh Downs wants out because I believe it's a contract year for him.
1:30And he's looking at this offense and saying, I can't put up numbers or get paid in the off season if I stay on this team.
1:37So get me out of here. I think that a great spot for him would be the Kansas City Chiefs, right?
1:43They're a team that needs wide receivers. We don't know when Rashi Rice, if he's ever going to come back.
1:49And we know that there's no long-term investment year.
1:52We're going to see Rice play in Kansas City because he's also going to be a free agent end of the year.
1:58So someone that can get open, that can beat man coverage, work over the slot.
2:03I think Rice makes a lot of sense for the Chiefs who have been rumored to be in the market for a wide receiver.
2:10So I think that he makes a lot of sense.
2:13Fitzy. Oh, and real quick. So then if he were to be traded to the Chiefs, what does that make him to you?
2:20Like, what do you think? Like, how would you approach him?
2:23Would he be like a top third? I know, obviously you got to like, see how they use him and stuff, but
2:29like Josh Downs, Chiefs wide receiver is what to you?
2:32And, you know, hypothetical situation, week nine. What is he at top 30, top 25, still not top 36?
2:38Like, how would you approach him? I don't think in his first game that he'd play with the Chiefs, I'd rank him
2:44that high, but I think that he could definitely get there as soon as he gets kind of- Yeah, that's more of
2:51what I mean of like what he becomes. I'm just looking and see where I have, I mean, right now he was
2:57like touching the 40s in my rest of season rankings.
3:00Obviously he'd moved down a lot. So I think that he'd probably be at least a wide receiver three rest of season.
3:07But again, we don't know if Rice, if Rice never comes back, like I wouldn't shock me to see him lead the
3:13team, at least receiver wise and targets. Now, how often are they going to throw the football when Ken Walker is the engine of the offense?
3:21That's a question mark. But going from Daniel Jones, the way that he's been playing to Patrick Mahomes type that, that is a night and day difference.
3:29So that's a big win for Josh Downs. Fitzy, what do you think?
3:33Destination that would make sense and what destination or does that destination make him fantasy viable again?
3:38What about the Rams? Remember how during the run-up to the NFL draft, everyone was mocking Makai Lemon to the Rams in
3:44the middle of the first round with that pick they had from, I believe, the Falcons.
3:49And then they wound up taking Ty Simpson and now they probably wish they had drafted a wide receiver because of the Devontae Adams injury.
3:56They're kind of up a creek at wide receiver a little bit.
4:00And I think if Downs went to the Rams, I could see having him as like a wide receiver three the rest of the way.
4:07And look, the Rams are pretty desperate. I mean, they do not have a lot of cushion left as far as how
4:13many games they could lose and still make the playoffs.
4:16Like they're holding on for dear life until Miles Garrett comes back.
4:20And I could see them. It's the Rams, man.
4:23F them draft picks. So I actually like this one the most because what are the other trades that have already happened?
4:29Seahawks, Nelson, Buckner, 49ers, like the division is making trades.
4:32I think that one makes the most sense. I kind of like stick with the, I think they would trade them probably out of the AFC.
4:40I mean, maybe they don't really care at the end of the day, which, you know, if you open it up, I
4:46think, um, I mean, you could look at a team like the Steelers, the Bills, that could be another one of those teams.
4:53But I, if I wasn't, if I don't get the Rams, cause I don't get the Rams.
4:58What about even the Giants at this point? They've talked about trying to make moves and trying to be aggressive.
5:04Their wide receiver core is a little odd. How about having like a really solid, you know, slot wide receiver, like downs
5:10for, you know, at least good separation for a young quarterback and then let Malik kind of take the top off.
5:16So that might be kind of an odd one.
5:19Um, at the end of the day, it's like where in what places actually make him viable is what matters.
5:25I think, uh, I think Kansas city and the Rams, those two, I think that was making the most fantasy viable.
5:31And if traded into the right destination, downs could end up becoming like a top 30 wide receiver again.
5:37And maybe there's even more here, but that's the latest rumor.
5:40We're speculating. The thing we did hear was Adam, uh, Schefter, I think it was on McAfee had said that he expects him to be traded.
5:48So Josh down should be traded so that there might be some effect.
5:52Luckily, we're not going to talk about him outside of this, uh, in the ranks, if you were to not be playing,
5:58but just having a little bit of fun, you guys can drop it comments below where you think not only get traded, but what makes him viable.
6:06Let's jump into the wide receiver ranks though. Again, uh, fantasypros.com slash NFL slash rankings.
6:10If you want to play along our top 12 starts with Jackson Smith in Jigba coming in at number two is Puku
6:17Nakua, Jamar Chase, CD Lambs, Zay Flowers, and Amon Ross St.
6:20Brown is your top half bottom half. Drake London, Christian Watson, Justin Jefferson, Parker Washington at 10 T Higgins, and Matthew Golden.
6:27Pretty standard stuff. Uh, this is like the second or third week.
6:30We've seen two green Bay wide receivers come in at the top 12.
6:34So as wide receiver ones, maybe a conversation to have as you get, there's kind of a gap.
6:39Um, it's still a wide receiver one gap, but you guys got a gap on a Christian Watson, but maybe it can
6:46be a conversation around both of the wide receivers and then both existing Fitzy.
6:50You are the high man. Um, you have Christian Watson at seven.
6:53I don't know where you have Matthew Golden. Erickson is the lower person here because you've got a Christian Watson at 12,
7:00but Fitzy, why don't you kick us off? Christian Watson still high at seven.
7:04Do you think him, Matthew Golden continue to be able to vibe as wide receiver ones, uh, going up against Carolina Panthers?
7:10They could because the Panthers have a ton of injuries at cornerback, uh, their, their best cover man, JC Horn still out with the torn quad.
7:18Mike Jackson, their second best corner on his way back from a groin injury, but I don't believe he's expected to play this week.
7:25And a Caleb Evans, they're probably number three cornerback banged up might not play this week.
7:30So I have Watson at wide receiver seven and, uh, Golden wide receiver 13.
7:34The usage for both has been really good, maybe even better for Golden, but I just think Watson's a better player.
7:40Like Golden's had some issues at the catch point lately.
7:43Um, Watson had six touchdowns in his first five games has not scored neither of his last two and has been held
7:50to 64 and 57 receiving yards the last two weeks, but Watson's just too good to be kept in check for long,
7:56especially against a team with cornerback issues. I mean, Watson up against backup cornerbacks is going to be, that could be a long night for Carolina.
8:04Yeah. I think we, our defensive match grade, uh, might not be accounting with something we might need to hit them with, uh, the cornerbacks being injured.
8:12Cause this grades it as a one star matchup, but I'm not sure it's grading out that the cornerbacks of Carolina are banked up.
8:19Erickson, you've got Watson at 12. So is this a full move?
8:22Is this Watson moves down and Golden moves down?
8:25Or is there some world where maybe you have Golden above Watson?
8:28Talk to us about the Christian Watson X, uh, Golden matchup for the week?
8:33No, I have both guys just slightly moved down versus consensus.
8:36And I would say that Watson would move back up closer to ECR if Matthew Golden doesn't play.
8:41Cause I know that he's actually dealing with an injury right now.
8:45So that's something that I wanted to bring up.
8:47So that would relieve room for Watson because over the last three games, Watson's target chair has dropped three consecutive times.
8:53And we've talked about this on the show where he is not the number one wide receiver in terms of target volume.
9:00Now he's been the more productive of the two receivers.
9:03He's been more efficient than Matthew Golden. So obviously that's why he's still on the top 10 consideration.
9:08But I also keeping the back of my mind that look, LaFleur traditionally has always liked to run the football.
9:14And when you see that Carolina Panthers run defense and what happened to it last week when the Buccaneers put up 40
9:21points, when their quarterback attempted 11 passes, you got Josh Jacobs back.
9:24He's got one game under his belt. I get that last week was still a pass heavy approach, but it was a
9:31different script because you're going into forward field. You know, you're going to have to throw the football, both those teams, just
9:37looking at how aggressive they're going off for a fourth down.
9:40Like we're not kicking field goals. Like we don't care.
9:43Like we're going to be aggressive as possible. I don't think that's the same type of mindset in this game against the Panthers run defense.
9:51So that is why I'm just a slept a tuple or a couple ranks and spots down compared to the consensus.
9:57I'm trying to consider the fact that look, this could be the spot where they load up Josh Jacobs, 25 carries and
10:03let him run wild against a terrible Panthers run defense.
10:06So again, the Panthers secondary is not good, but their run defense might just be worse.
10:11So it just demands on how the Packers elect to attack this defense.
10:15And I'm just leaving the door open, the possibility that they do go a little bit more run heavy.
10:20Can I add something real quick? Just that the part of the ranking for us, the one star rating for the matchup
10:27is that the Panthers have been a major run funnel for the last few years.
10:31I totally get that. I just against a team that has really had issues running the ball.
10:36And even last week with Jacobs back, you saw the Packers like try to get the running game going with Jacobs, but
10:43then it's like it mixed success there. And so they started throwing Jacobs the ball and you do not normally see him that involved as a pass catcher.
10:51I mean, they had him running like wheel rots last week.
10:54He almost hauled in what would have been like the go ahead touchdown late in the game and just couldn't quite haul it in at the goal line.
11:02But I just, I don't know if you're going to see the Packers take a run heavy approach with the offensive line they're throwing out there.
11:10And now they've got their center, Sean Ryan, who's going to miss time.
11:14They had a guy snapping last week who had never snapped in an NFL game before.
11:19So I just don't know if this is the team that can afford to be run heavy against Carolina.
11:24I just want a quick response on this one, just as one more little thing to hit.
11:29I'm just curious about is this the game where Justin Jefferson can finally get going?
11:34I just wanted to point out, he has only one top 12 finish at wide receiver all season.
11:39And that was week one where he finished a wide receiver three.
11:42Otherwise here are his finishes 41, 72, 15, and then 36 this past week, but it's against Detroit.
11:48Um, you know, he's at nine. I think everyone's just a little bit squirrely here.
11:52This team, one of the best in the NFL right now, Fitzy, just as a quick response, is this the get right
11:59classic Justin Jefferson game or do the issues kind of continue with Murray and him?
12:03I've got him wide receiver 11. I wouldn't bet on it.
12:06And I don't know if the Detroit secondary is going to be as much of a pushover from this point on because they've got Brian Branch back.
12:14And like a lot of that's against tight ends who Brian Branch is going to cover, but he is also going to
12:21like, I mean, Brian Branch will knock your lights out and like, he's going to be a factor against everyone running routes
12:27against the lions, knowing he is back there, uh, ready to tee off on you.
12:32Erickson, what do you think? Is this the get right spot against, uh, Detroit in Detroit or do the issues kind of continue with Jefferson?
12:39Well, I mean, Jefferson's been efficient this year. Like the counting stats have obviously been lackluster, but I think that has to
12:45do with more of the game scripts, right? That the Vikings have played.
12:49Have the Vikings been pushed in any of these games to have them drop back to throw a lot of times?
12:55I don't really think so. I mean, it's like when you're facing the Colts and Daniel Jones, you're like, Kyle Murray, like be conservative.
13:03Like when you're facing the saints and the dolphins and the Buccaneers, I just think that he needs a game script to
13:09get nutty for him to really go off. And I've said it once, I've said it again.
13:14I've said it many times when games played at Ford field, they get wacky.
13:18So if Jefferson's ever going to have a ceiling type of outcome performance, it would come in the dome in a game
13:25where power, you got to start throwing the ball downfield.
13:28Like you just have to start being aggressive. Now remains to be seen if he can connect with Jefferson, but for the
13:34most part, I think when Kyle Murray has targeted Justin Jefferson, it's been okay.
13:38Now definitely not as bad as it was with McCarthy and Jefferson last year.
13:42So I think that's what you really need for Jefferson.
13:45Cause I don't think it's really a him problem.
13:48It's more of a Vikings have been playing really conservative on offense because they can, cause their defense is locking down everybody.
13:54Will they be able to lock down the lines on the road?
13:58I'm a little bit more suspect on that. I'll just point out neither Watson nor Golden went off for the Packers and
14:04they actually have a good quarterback on like Justin Jefferson.
14:07Well, I mean, if Golden like caught three or four more of his passing, he would have had a nuclear game.
14:13All right. Wide receiver twos. We're going to hit here in a second.
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14:34Wide receiver twos on the big board here. We got Tedaroa McMillan coming in at 13, George Pickens, Jalen Coker, AJ Brown,
14:40Garrett Wilson, Luther Burden, the back half, Michael Wilson coming in at 19, DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, Stepon Diggs, Jamison Williams, and Colonel Tate.
14:47Let's talk about AJ Brown. You guys are, you kind of split the uprights a little bit.
14:52He comes in at ECR 16 going up against the Dolphins.
14:55The matchup grade is very funny there with the Dolphins.
14:58It says it's like a really bad matchup, but Dolphins have been, I guess they've honed it in a little bit, but
15:05they've been like pretty bad this season. Um, Erickson, you're at 14.
15:08Fitzy, you are at 17. Erickson, why don't you start us off here?
15:12AJ Brown, it just hasn't, just hasn't been there since the return.
15:16It's not quite there. Is it going to get there this week?
15:19I think it will. I was definitely too over my skis last week with AJ Brown.
15:24I thought that what I saw from him in week six against the Jets would carry over in a positive way onto Thursday night.
15:31Little did I know that betting on a guy coming off a high ankle sprain to play in a game four days
15:37later after missing a month of football, that was not going to end well.
15:42Now, a different situation here though, is now he's had 10 days between his last game that he played.
15:47And although he did not put up the production that we wanted him to do against the Chicago Bears, look, if he
15:54doesn't get interfered with on that one call down the sideline, no one's complaining about his final box score.
15:59Cause he's going to have five catches for 70 plus yards.
16:02He didn't score, but I don't think you're as upset.
16:05So I went back and rewatched all of his routes from the bears game, from the jets game, and he looked better in the jets game.
16:13So I do think that it was a legitimate thing where playing on the short week off the high ankle sprain was not good for him.
16:21So I think with the extended rest, with the mini bi-week from when the Patriots played last Thursday night, it's going to
16:27be good for him against the Miami Dolphins defense that yes, they may not be giving up a ton of fantasy points
16:34per game to wide receivers, but the secondary is not good.
16:37They rank dead last and EPA per pass face this year.
16:40They are bottom five. Any way you slice this past defense, deep passes, short passes, quick passes, long passes.
16:46It doesn't matter. It's a bad secondary that Drake may should be able to tear apart because that's the thing that gives
16:52me hope about AJ Brown is he's attached to one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
16:57I think he's going to get to turn it around.
17:00He's still so clearly the alpha in the passing game.
17:03So I'm not going to jump ship now again.
17:06I'm not going to rank him as a wide receiver one.
17:09Like I did last week, I was too aggressive, but look, minus 16 points under expectation in the last two weeks.
17:15I think that regression is going to kind of come into play here since he's been having some extended rest.
17:21The targets are there. The volume's there. The efficiency and the matchup is going to be there for him.
17:27So start AJ Brown. All right. Fitzy, where are you at?
17:30You're a little bit low. I mean, one spot lower at 17.
17:33So you guys are in the general range, but do you share the optimism that that Erickson's got on AJ Brown this week?
17:40Not really. No, I need to approve it game from Brown before I rank him at or above consensus.
17:46And maybe this is the get right game for him.
17:49It could be. I don't think he's suddenly bad at football, but he hasn't been good so far.
17:54Like he's, he's not really separating anytime he's targeted.
17:57Like you couldn't slide a credit card between him and the defender.
18:00He's not making contested catches, which is normally his forte.
18:03He's averaging 5.3 yards per target and 1.29 yards per route run this season.
18:07I know it's a really small sample size and he doesn't stink all of a sudden and he's tied to this great
18:14quarterback, but I just, I need to see it before I come up on him in the ranks.
18:19Uh, let's go talk about Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson's going up against Dallas this week.
18:23Ever since Marvin Harrison's gone out, we've been waiting for Wilson to get the big workload, but we've had a lot of defenses that be more hyper-focused.
18:31Uh, this is another one of those where Erickson's like a little bit higher, but it's more at ECR, but then fits fits.
18:38You just have him on the precipice of a wide receiver too.
18:42Like he almost moves out of it at 23, your four spots lower than ECR and Erickson.
18:47What's going on with you with Michael Wilson? Yeah, the appeal of Michael Wilson is that he is supposed to be hyper-targeted
18:53by Jacoby Brissett and he was being hyper-targeted early in the season.
18:57Over his first four games, he was averaging 11 targets and had a 27% target share.
19:01Over his last three games, Wilson is averaging 7.3 targets and has a 16% target share.
19:06Michael Wilson is actually being targeted less since the departure of Marvin Harrison Jr.
19:10Like I think Harrison's presence was good for Michael Wilson and he's just kind of struggled since.
19:15And he himself has not been very good. 6.1 yards per target, 1.39 yards per outrun.
19:20Those are bad numbers. Maybe the target total spikes against Dallas this week.
19:24I mean, they lost number three receiver Jalen Brooks to a season-ending injury and beyond Wilson, it's just Kendrick Bourne, Devin Duvernay, Simi Fahoko, Reggie Virgil.
19:31Uh, it's a good matchup too. I just don't feel wildly confident in Michael Wilson or Jacoby Brissett.
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21:40Michael Wilson lacks the targets. They're trying to figure out what this offense looks like, and it just has not been built really around him.
21:48And then I'm just completely forgetting, who's the wide receiver they brought in this week too?
21:52Because they've been running, you guys remember, because didn't they bring somebody in?
21:56Because Jalen Brooks has been running the Marvin Harrison route.
21:59Kendrick Bourne is running the end, and then they brought somebody in that could be pseudo-annoying.
22:04I'll look it up while you're talking, but talk to us about Michael Wilson.
22:08Three straight games of four catches on seven targets.
22:11The yardage has increased three consecutive weeks, so technically it is trending in a slight positive direction for Michael Wilson.
22:17And if you can't play him against Dallas, then, I mean, you're never going to play this guy, right?
22:22I mean, next week he plays at Seattle, so you're definitely not going to want to play him in that matchup.
22:28So I think that this is a spot where you just got to have to trust in the high value opportunities.
22:35I mean, he saw three goal line looks last week and didn't convert them.
22:39So the high value opportunities are there for him in this offense and in a game where if Jacoby Brissett drops back
22:45to throw 50 times, Michael Wilson doesn't even need to be efficient, potentially, for him to get there.
22:50It may take 15, 16, 17 targets for him to get to 10 catches, 100 yards, or a touchdown, but we've seen
22:57that before with Jacoby Brissett in past matchups, even earlier this season, when Michael Wilson did dabble in a couple double-digit target games.
23:04So I think that you got to play him as the top 20 guy.
23:08Kind of plug your nose and just slide him into your flex or your wide receiver three spot because this has got to be it.
23:15It's make or break for Michael Wilson because if it's not going to happen this week, it's not happening.
23:21Yeah. The move was this, by the way, because I was right.
23:24I couldn't. At first, I looked at the depth chart and I'm like, okay, I just went crazy.
23:30They signed Zay Jones, but that was because they had placed Jalen Brooks on the IR and Zay will come in, but
23:36Zay will come in and play the Jalen Brooks ex-Marvin Harrison role, which is just run and take a body, run away
23:43from the offense and take a body with you.
23:45And that's what Zay will be. But I feel like Jalen Brooks was actually getting targets though.
23:50Yeah. Like he was seeing like red zone opportunities.
23:53So I know it feels like weird to look at the Jalen Brooks absence and think, dude, this is a big boost for Michael Wilson.
24:00But if you look at the splits before Jalen Brooks was on the offense, Michael Wilson was pretty good.
24:06Maybe a Kendrick Bourne thing. This one wasn't originally on here.
24:09I just wanted to ask you this because I don't even have your guys' rank.
24:14DK Metcalf comes in at 21 on this list.
24:16And my question to you, should he be, does he belong?
24:19Does he even belong here? Now he does have two top 20 finishes over the last month and those came in week four and week six.
24:27But here are his other finishes 53, 65, 30, 62.
24:30And last week he finished 33. So two top 20 finishes on the season.
24:34Every other. So that is also two top inside the 30 finishes.
24:38My real question is, is like, why? Like what fits you?
24:41Let's start with you. Then does DK Metcalf really truly belong in the wide receiver to category range?
24:46I know like the theory and thought of DK Metcalf does, but the performance and the output doesn't feel like he should be.
24:53So should he really be in this range? We talked about him on this show the last time the Steelers faced the
24:59Browns and we both had him pretty buried in the rankings.
25:03I think Erickson had him like wide receiver 103 that week.
25:06And part of it was fear of Denzel Ward locking down DK Metcalf, but they were actually pretty clever in the way
25:12they used him, motioning him around in that game, getting him some different matchups against cornerbacks other than Denzel Ward.
25:18And he wound up having a big game. He went over a hundred yards in that game and, you know, made us look silly.
25:25So I just, I would imagine the Steelers are going to take a similar tack this game, try to motion him around
25:32a little bit, make sure he sees some different coverages.
25:35And because he's pretty essential to their passing game.
25:37I mean, it's DK Metcalf and Jeremy Bernard. And that's pretty much it at wide receiver.
25:42Like they have to keep DK involved. Yeah. He was wide receiver 18 that week.
25:47That was his best yards performance. It wasn't his best reception performance.
25:50That was a week six where he caught 11 balls, but otherwise, you know, five and 11, those are the top two reception games he's put out there.
25:58I get the explosion. I guess I just talk about it and think about it from like a trustworthy perspective.
26:04It's very, very boom or bust. He did boom against the Browns last time.
26:08Erickson, just any thoughts? Like, I guess I'm a little, I'm a lot more skeptical about like his rank based on how he's performed this season.
26:16I get the Browns thing. I would imagine there's going to be some adjustments.
26:20So he does not, uh, he's not able to do what he did last time, but that's more speculation.
26:26What do you think about Metcalf? I think from a game script approach, if the Steelers lean more into their running backs
26:32and you could see a scenario like last week where Metcalf only got six targets last week because the Steelers were able
26:39to run the ball effectively on a bad Saints run defense.
26:42We just saw the Cleveland Browns run defense, give up three rushing touchdowns to the lonely Tennessee Titans and Tony Pollard.
26:48So that's kind of where you would be right.
26:51Being lower on Metcalf is just the sheer passing volume from the Steelers.
26:55Cause I think the Steelers have to acknowledge like they can't be a top three passing team rest of the season with Aaron Rogers as their quarterback, right?
27:03He, I think is tied actually in this game, you have the quarterbacks with the most sacks, Aaron Rogers and Deshaun Watson going head to head.
27:10So, uh, get ready to take a look at the under in this game for quarterbacks, taking a ton of sacks.
27:17So that's, I think how this would hit, but the fact that Metcalf is so explosive, he can sometimes get there on the one.
27:24I mean, he had two catches last week, 56 yards, it was still a wide receiver 33.
27:29Right. So even if like the, even in that Browns game, last time we talked about it through the first three quarters, I'm thinking I'm so sharp, man.
27:37Like he is doing absolutely nothing in this game.
27:40And he just blows up in the fourth quarter.
27:42I'm just like crying because I took the under on his receiving yards thinking I was just like ready to go to
27:49the bank and cash in, but he beat me to the punch cause he makes explosive plays.
27:54And to Fitz's point, it's him and Jeremy Bernard that are really like the only show in town when it comes to
28:00the wide receivers because Pittman's hurt when Wilson's not involved, even some of their ancillary guys are banged up too.
28:06So I think that's why I feel like he needs to kind of be in this 20 range, but I agree.
28:12Welsh, it doesn't feel like a really confident click.
28:15Sounds like a team that could maybe use a solid slot receiver who could find some separation and is good with targets.
28:21Just, I mean, they did trade for Pittman already.
28:24Yeah, that's true. Get his buddy. I get his buddy in there.
28:28They could clear it out. All right. Final one in this range is Stefan Diggs.
28:32He comes in at 22. Obviously they're without Terry McLaurin moving forward.
28:36You guys are like right around ECR. I think there's also a discussion to be had.
28:40There was an original thing on this sheet about Antonio Williams.
28:43He had moved off the top 36 and what his viability is.
28:47But overall, how, and also I'd be really curious to your guys' take because like, who is the guy that moves?
28:53Antonio Williams and Stefan Diggs, I think could play like similar roles in the slot.
28:58And like, who's going to be the one that takes over?
29:01If anybody, if either one of these guys takes over the McLaurin role, because I think if Stefan Diggs goes in the
29:07McLaurin role, that's even a more plus for Antonio Williams going into the slot, but I'm just, I'm not sure.
29:13So Fitzy, why don't you try to light some clarity on this situation?
29:17You've got Stefan Diggs at 21, 22 on the list.
29:20How do you sparse this all out? That's it.
29:23You have to figure Diggs is going to be prominently involved with McLaurin out.
29:27I just, I don't know who is going to be the primary slot guy now that Antonio Williams figures to be on
29:33the field a lot more often because Diggs is lined up in the slot on 63% of his snaps this season, according to fantasy points data.
29:41Antonio Williams in the slot on 49% of his snaps.
29:44It just seems like Williams is the more natural slot guy and almost has to play there.
29:49But like they both have sort of inside outside versatility.
29:52Maybe they're just considered interchangeable in David Blas offense.
29:54We don't really know. So we want the slot guy against the Eagles though, because the Eagles defense has been a slot funnel.
30:01And if Diggs is lining up outside, he's probably going to see a lot of the Eagles best cornerback, Quinjon Mitchell.
30:07So I do think though Diggs is probably going to see a healthy dose of targets going forward.
30:13He's had at least six in every game this season.
30:16And I would expect that he's probably going to be in the eight to 10 range the rest of the way.
30:22And a way that that also could work out is maybe Antonio Williams sees more snaps, but not much changes.
30:28And maybe Traylon Burks is the guy that is more of the top off guy and nothing changes for Diggs outside of
30:34seeing more targets, which gets back to the hyper focus of like why he is a lot more viable.
30:40Erickson, you got him at 23. What are your thoughts on Stefan Diggs?
30:44I think he's a strong wide receiver to play.
30:46No McLaurin. And he actually had one of his best games of the season in week one against Philadelphia Eagles.
30:52This is a rematch of a matchup. We already saw play out.
30:56He had four catches for 55 yards and a touchdown on nine targets, but should be noted that Antonio Williams played in
31:02that game, had more yards than Stefan Diggs. He had four catches for 64 yards on four receptions, caught all four of his targets.
31:09And he also scored a touchdown. So I agree with you guys where Antonio Williams is going to actually see the biggest
31:16roll bump in terms of just raw routes run.
31:18He ran the most routes back in week four when Terry McLaurin did not play against the Indianapolis Colts.
31:24And he ran the most routes in this last game that Terry McLaurin left with the injury early on in the game.
31:30Now that doesn't mean that he will outscore Diggs because Diggs might end up running more routes from the slot in a more favorable spot.
31:38And he's also been more of the red zone touchdown guy, especially with Jane Daniels at the under center.
31:43But that's not to say Antonio Williams can also benefit from the slot because I think that both guys are going to
31:50see ample usage inside against Cooper Jean, who just has not been the same guy he was to start his career.
31:56He's just been a guy that teams have been targeting in this Eagle secondary.
32:00He just given up a ton of production. So we have proof of concept that both these guys can deliver against this Eagle secondary.
32:07And that's when we thought this defense was good.
32:10They are just reeling right now, specifically in their secondary.
32:13So I think both guys are actually strong starts.
32:15All right, let's go to our wide receiver threes here.
32:1825 through 36. We've got Omar Cooper coming in at 25.
32:22Trey Tucker at 26. Casey Concepcion, Jeremy Bernard, Ladd McConkie, Denzel Boston at 30.
32:26Back half is Keenan Allen at 31. Roma Dunzey at 32.
32:29Jordan Addison, Emeka Egbuka, Malik Washington, and Makai Lemon.
32:32What do you do with Omar Cooper? Everyone was worried last week about Edna Mitchell coming back and Omar Cooper just kind of squashed that.
32:39He comes in as a, I think this is like the general space we were talking about him is like, maybe he's
32:45just like a solid wide receiver three. Maybe he could dip his toe into wide receiver two general ranges.
32:51He kind of does that here when he's ECR 25.
32:54You guys are both slightly lower at 27, but that still, I think is a, you know, an admission of, of confidence
33:00in that, like he can be a wide receiver three, a high end wide receiver three.
33:05So Erickson, why don't you kick us off with Omar Cooper?
33:08He's been really good against man coverage this year.
33:11If you look at his 23 yards per route run against man, the most by any player in a game last week,
33:18since 2018, 23 yards per route run. He's averaging over 19 yards per target, not per reception per target, because he's caught
33:24all but one of his targets thrown his way.
33:2712 catches for 248 yards and two touchdowns. So eventually these numbers are going to regress in some way, shape or form.
33:33He's not going to catch 95% of his passes thrown his way, but against this Raiders defense, that one of the biggest
33:40struggles that they have had is giving up explosive plays.
33:43So I understand the hesitance of going into buying back into Omari Cooper when it seems like, well, his targets went down,
33:49his snaps went down, his routes went down when Adonai Mitchell came back to the lineup and it didn't matter.
33:55And I think that in another matchup, maybe against a better defense, I would say, okay, I think we can kind of
34:01press pause a little bit on Omar Cooper, just because he's probably not going to be the alpha in the target order.
34:08Garrett Wilson is going to get more involved. He's got bit of a squeaky wheel kind of narrative going, but Omar Cooper
34:14has shown that dude, this guy only needs like four or five targets to deliver because of how explosive he has looked.
34:21And that has been the Raiders biggest weakness so far, especially because they've been playing a lot of man coverage.
34:27So over the last four games, when the Raiders defense has been terrible, they've moved up their man coverage to the seventh
34:33highest rate in the NFL, allowing a 54.5% success rate against man coverage, third highest in the league.
34:39And of course, because Geno Smith has Omar Cooper, he's averaging 9.4 yards per attempt against man coverage, which is the second
34:45highest among all quarterbacks, six touchdowns and zero interceptions.
34:48So it feels like you're kind of riding high here, maybe kind of threading the needle with Omar Cooper, but I think
34:54it's going to keep going for at least one more week.
34:57It's going to be a good test too, because you're going to bring back in Brees Hall, obviously different position, but Brees
35:04kind of dominates in the reception side, them wanting to get him the ball and just, what does this look like when
35:10all my main point is all the pieces are there?
35:13What does that end up looking like? What does it look like for you?
35:17Fitzy Omar Cooper, you got a 27. So yeah, I have to imagine you're probably sharing some of the same sentiment around him.
35:24Can low target shares still equal really good output?
35:27Yeah. Omar Cooper, his talent is legitimate, maybe not 19.1 yards per target legitimate, but I know Erickson and I were both
35:33very pro Omar Cooper in prospect season. So I just, I do have some concerns about how consistent the production is going
35:40to be because it's Geno Smith at quarterback for the Jets.
35:43It's not Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott, guys who've proven they can support more than one consistently fantasy relevant wide receiver.
35:49I don't know if Geno can do that. And you know, when Omar Cooper came off injured reserve in week six, he
35:56played 82% of the offensive snaps that week. Last week, the Jets got Adnay Mitchell back from a finger injury and Cooper's snap share dropped to 64%.
36:04And Garrett Wilson is obviously going to get his fair share of targets.
36:07So this just isn't a totally consolidated passing game.
36:10Jets have three good receivers and they have two pretty talented tight ends in Kenyon Sadiq and Mason Taylor.
36:16I just, there might be some weeks where Omar Cooper gets three targets.
36:20That's my main hang up with him. Casey Concepcion comes in at 27 going up against Pittsburgh.
36:25You guys are kind of split a little bit.
36:27Erickson, you are the high man. Fitzy, you're a little bit lower than ECR.
36:31I want to go to Erickson on this one because you've bumped him up positionally.
36:36You've, you have them as a wide receiver too.
36:38This week. I always feel like I want him to be a wide receiver too, by the way, he just seems like
36:45he's the, just the most fun guy, whether they want to have short passes deep, they want to run the ball.
36:51Like he seems like the guy, you got to get the ball eight to 10 times a game.
36:56Watson is obviously there've been some struggles there as of recent, but wide receiver two for Concepcion.
37:01That's really what I wanted you to hit on Erickson.
37:04You, you've bumped him up. So eight catches on 10 targets for 129 yards last week.
37:09Also added three carries for 23 yards, kind of showcasing his versatility and why he was such a fun player to prospect
37:15coming out of college because this guy was just so dynamic with the ball in his hands.
37:20And Todd Monk was in his bag, dude. Like the way that he's been able to kind of orchestrate this offense with
37:27the Cleveland Browns with Deshaun Watson, he's making it work with a lot of young pieces and he's making it a lot of fun.
37:34So Concepcion had been seeing a lot of volume like throughout the season, every single week, but it was okay.
37:40Just like wide receiver, 40 wide receiver, 40 wide receiver, 35, like not putting up those ceiling games.
37:45And we finally get the ceiling spot here. And again, he's faced the Steelers already this season.
37:50And he had one of these type of floor games.
37:53He had five catches on eight targets for 64 yards.
37:56But if this ceiling game that he just had is more of a sign of things to come, I don't want to
38:03be behind the eight ball when it comes to that.
38:06If this was, oh no, Concepcion has arrived. He is here.
38:09We knew he was good. And now he's finally starting to turn all these opportunities into actual production.
38:14I think it's more likely to continue. So I'm not necessarily afraid of the matchup here against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
38:20He's probably going to draw a lot of coverage from Jalen Ramsey.
38:23Ramsey's played the most snaps at nickel cornerback this season and Concepcion has played around 50% of his snaps from the slot.
38:30He's allowed the fourth highest completion rate in time for the third most touchdowns allowed from the slot this season.
38:36So I think Concepcion breakout was real last week.
38:38And I think it's going to continue because I think that he leads the Browns and targets this season.
38:44Like he has been the most heavily involved guy.
38:47So if the volume's there, we know the talent's there.
38:50And I think the matchup is okay. So I think that he continued to be a top 24 wide receiver too.
38:56Fitz, you're slightly lower. Is there more hesitation? Maybe do the matchup or offense overall.
39:00But talk to us about your thoughts on Concepcion.
39:03I believe you have him at 29. It's a little bit matchup.
39:06I mean, Jalen Ramsey, well, the Steelers have allowed the seventh fewest PPR points per game to slot receivers.
39:12Maybe their teams just aren't challenging Ramsey that much.
39:15I agree with 90% of what Erickson just said about Casey Concepcion.
39:18And I'm hoping that the big game last week is a harbinger of things to come for him.
39:24But Erickson called the game against the Steelers when he had five catches for 64 yards, a floor game.
39:29That wasn't a floor game. That was his second best game of the season.
39:33I mean, take away his 129 yard game last week.
39:36He's averaged 31 receiving yards in his other six games.
39:39And that's with the 64 yard game against the Steelers.
39:42So there have been some pretty ugly floor games for him.
39:45And that's what I'm worried about. But I do think it's possible.
39:49This is sort of the new normal for Concepcion, not 129 yards, but where he's consistently getting, I don't know, at least six to 10 targets a game.
39:57Let's talk about Ladd. Ladd McConkie at wide receiver 29.
40:00The trust is just out the window for obvious reasons.
40:03Going up against the Rams, but both of you guys are higher.
40:07Both of you guys have him at 25, just on the brink.
40:10You both want to almost make him a wide receiver too, but he doesn't get there.
40:15But that's four spots higher than consensus. Bitsy, why don't you kick off?
40:19Where do you think Ladd can have the bounce back on the back half of this season?
40:24He's one of the hardest receivers to rank. And this dude has just been through the ringer this season.
40:29Injured his ribs in week one, hurt his foot in week four, got a concussion against the Chiefs in week six, although
40:36he's expected to be back and cleared for this week's game against the Rams.
40:40McConkie had five catches for 82 yards and a touchdown against the Cardinals in week one.
40:44Everything seemed fine, has not done much since, but possibly because of all the injuries.
40:49You would think that McConkie has to play a substantial role this week for the Chargers.
40:54Like Quinton Johnston has not done anything this year.
40:56Trey Harris has been dealing with a hamstring injury.
40:59Not sure if he's going to play or not.
41:02Arande Gadsden Jr. hasn't done anything. The Chargers running game is completely broken.
41:05If Ladd makes it through this game intact, and that's kind of a big if, I would imagine he finishes with at least seven or eight targets.
41:13Actually, you have Omar Cooper one spot higher than Ladd, but where are you at on Ladd making it through the game
41:20and being, I don't know, fantasy viable at all?
41:22I have Ladd ahead of Omar Cooper. Do I not?
41:25I thought you had, maybe I just made that up.
41:28Don't you have? No, I have Ladd, wide receiver 20, and I feel so dumb.
41:33Conception you have higher. That's my bad. Yeah, because I feel more confident about Conception and the volume that he's going to get.
41:40And Ladd, I think, fits a spot on here.
41:42This is the hardest guy to rank because he has played one game with over 50% of the snaps this season.
41:48So part of it is just banging on, okay, can this guy play all four quarters, right?
41:53And like, what does that look like? And I think that there's some upside with him.
41:58You're playing against a high powered Rams offense on the other side that's going to put up points.
42:03You're playing in a dome setting where there are no actual Los Angeles fans.
42:08So we don't know who's actually going to this game.
42:10But I think that if the Chargers office is ever going to do anything, it would have to be this week.
42:17You've had an entire bye week to hopefully get guys healthy.
42:20I don't know what the status of Joe Alt is, but there's a chance that he could come back.
42:25And that matters a lot, right? It's easy to us just right off the Chargers every single week.
42:31But if they do get guys back and healthy, then we do need to kind of readjust a little bit of the
42:37expectations of, okay, well, the odds of line is in a little bit better shape.
42:42Maybe Justin Herbert can have a little more time to throw in.
42:45The only thing that's actually worked at all this year is actually when Lamb and Conkey has been on the field, right?
42:52He's averaging over 2.2 yards per route run this season, which is really good.
42:56It's just, you completely forget about it because he's barely been on the field because he's been banged up so much.
43:02So I think that there's a chance where Lad could turn out like a top 15 finish this week.
43:08And we're all like, oh, how did this happen?
43:10It's like, well, he just played the whole game, right?
43:13And that's why he was a top 15 guy.
43:16So it feels really hard to make the confident play with Lamb and Conkey.
43:20But I do think that this could be a decent setup for him as just this is where all the targets are going.
43:27No one else in this office is commanding any type of volume.
43:30And I think that when McDaniel and Harbaugh look back at the offense and what worked, the only thing that worked was
43:37going to Lad McConkey when he was healthy on the field.
43:40So I think that they just reemphasize that. And it's just a matter of, can he survive the game?
43:46We'll see. Deep plays. These are guys that didn't make the top 36 on ECR, but you guys like Fitzy.
43:51Why don't you give us your deeper play wide receiver for week eight?
43:55It's a conditional one, Welsh. It's Jacoby Lane for the Ravens, conditional upon the return of Lamar Jackson from his ankle injury.
44:02And if Lamar does come back, Jacoby Lane becomes a very viable play in a shootout game against the Bills.
44:08Jacoby Lane routinely making highlight reel catches for the Ravens at training camp.
44:11So I just want to see what he can do in an extended run with Lamar at quarterback.
44:17Erickson, deep play for you. I think we talked about this guy and you got a pretty good aggressive rank on him,
44:23but he does not in the top 36 on ECR.
44:26Yeah, I think that ECR is lagging. Antonio Williams, wide receiver 30.
44:30I think that he can benefit just like Stephon Diggs can in this particular matchup against the Philadelphia Eagles.
44:35We see this all the time with rookies after their team's bye weeks.
44:39You get a usage bump. So Dan Quinn has already stated that Antonio Williams is going to play more in the offense without Terry McLaurin.
44:46So I think that he is set up really, really well here.
44:50Again, if you look at the last time he played without Terry in the lineup, he had eight targets, which trailed only Stephon Diggs.
44:57But in that game, he had an 87 yard touchdown that was called back due to a penalty.
45:02So I think that if we all just kind of go back and remember, oh wait, he actually did produce in this
45:09game, he would be ranked much higher. But when you look at that final box score of the last time we saw
45:15him without Terry McLaurin, it's three catches for 21 yards.
45:18So you think, oh, like he didn't really do that much, but you factor in the 87 yard touchdown, you're like, oh wow.
45:25Like this guy actually has upside with Stephon Diggs, where Diggs hasn't gone over 55 yards in a game this season.
45:31Like that's his high. So I think Diggs has the higher floor just because he's been more consistent, but from a ceiling perspective, dude, Williams can boogie.
45:39Like I think that he could generate a lot of big explosive plays against this Eagles defense, especially when he does get lined up in the slot.
45:47So I think that he's a really fun play this week.
45:50All right. Lots of plays. ECR is going to continue to kind of move.
45:55That gives you guys a general space of where these guys are at, some of their favorite plays, some of the biggest questions.
46:01But if you guys want to track it through the week, go to fantasypros.com slash NFL slash rankings.
46:07So you can check out where all the wide receivers are as more and more experts put in their rankings.
46:12You can do that all the way up to game time.
46:16Do that for sure. Thank you guys for hanging out with us.
46:19Those are the wide receiver ranks for week eight.
46:22We got quarterback and tight end coming up. So make sure you check out it as well for Pat Fitzmaurse and Andrew Erickson.
46:29I'm Chris Welsh. You guys have a great one.
46:31Win your week. So we'll talk to you next time right here on fantasy pros.
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