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0:28Hello, everybody. Welcome into the FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast.
0:30I'm Ryan Warmly, joined by Pat Fitzmaurice and Jake Seeley from The Athletic.
0:34And we are talking starts and sits here in week five.
0:37Fitz, we are a month into the season. How are you doing?
0:41Doing great. Excited about my Milwaukee Brewers having advanced to the National League Championship Series, but we're here to talk football, so we'll skip the baseball talk.
0:49I actually almost wore a Brewers shirt that I have for you today, Fitz, but I'm gonna save it for when they make the World Series.
0:56They're taking down the Dodgers. I am knocking on wood, crossing my fingers.
1:00I'm not betting on it because I'm not stupid, but I am hoping for it for sure.
1:05That's where my heart is for the rest of these playoffs.
1:08Jake, how you doing? I'm doing good. I'm enjoying the baseball playoffs.
1:12I have nothing to root for except for, yeah, please, no more Dodgers, but it'd be nice.
1:17It'd be nice to see at least if you guys can't do it, Fitz, just make sure the American League can take care of it.
1:24Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, I kind of feel like this is the World Series in the NLCS, which I
1:30know is what a lot of people are talking.
1:33Rays are good. They're good. I was about to say, why you guys be smirching the Rays?
1:38Come on. Mostly just because they're in the division of my favorite team.
1:42That's why I'm happy to besmirch them. Yes, as Fitz says, we're here to talk about football.
1:46We're gonna go through our typical Thursday show. We've got some starts, some sits, some waiver ads.
1:51Are we starting or sitting them? And then our touchdown calls.
1:55As always, reminder for everybody, as I always give, our weekly consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros.com slash rankings.
2:01Let's start off with the popular waiver ads of the week.
2:04And if you guys are willing to start or sit them right away, we'll start with Will Shipley, who felt like the
2:11biggest name, obviously, with the injuries going on in the Eagles backfield around him.
2:15You know, despite the fact that he has this opportunity here, it's a very different looking offensive line with after a trade and a retirement.
2:22It's going up against, you know, the Jacksonville defense, which is pretty good against the run.
2:27It's in London. A lot of stuff just goes broken with the Eagles offense right now, but it's an opportunity for starting running back.
2:33Jake, I'll start with you. Are you willing to start Will Shipley this week?
2:38Willing? I think the word should be desperate to start Will Shipley because I feel like that's where we are.
2:43I threw out this tweet earlier this week. Since week one of last year, the leading rusher for the opponents facing them, the highest is 74 rushing yards.
2:51That was 21 carries by Jonathan Taylor. Second highest, 70 rushing yards on 21 carries by Jonathan Taylor.
2:57You take out Jonathan Taylor, the next highest is 63.
3:00They have held the opponent's lead running back under 50 for the majority of those games.
3:04So this is I do not want to start running backs against the Jaguars in general, let alone Will Shipley, which I
3:11think will be volume reliant, which is why I have him as a low.
3:15Well, I was gonna say in the low 20s is a high end RB three low.
3:19Like he's not even a low end RB two because also like Damien Pierce, they did activate him.
3:25That's the one I expected to have happen. Damien Pierce, for whatever he's been, has still been, if you look at the
3:31numbers, actually more efficient than Will Shipley. There's not the biggest sample for Shipley, but all that being said, I don't want
3:37to start him, but there's a lot of people out there, including myself, who have Kenneth Walker on a buy or something
3:44like that and are kind of desperate and do need Shipley as your RB two.
3:48Yeah, he's ranked as RB 31 in the- No, I'm actually higher than- That's surprising.
3:52It might be because I have Kamara lower and I know I'm really low on Ja'Kory Krosky merit.
3:58So I think those are probably the two that are probably ranked in front.
4:02Those two are both ahead of Shipley. Okay, so there you go.
4:05Yeah, Fitz, what do you think? I mean, it's not like one you feel great about, but at the same time, he's
4:12ranked in a range where there will absolutely be managers out there who are forced to start him.
4:17Oh, definitely. And yeah, the Eagles offense is in a pretty bad way right now with all the injuries to the skill
4:23position guys and all the tumults on the offensive line.
4:26But you would think that Shipley probably has a baseline of 12 touches as the last man standing in that backfield.
4:32And I know it's going to be some Damian Pierce, too.
4:35I suspect that Shipley is going to get the majority of the snaps.
4:39And I think there's the potential for closer to 20 touches.
4:42I'm not sure if the Eagles get it going in the running game, as Jake pointed out, that the Jaguars have been fantastic against the run.
4:50That has not changed with Anthony Campanile as the defensive coordinator.
4:53But Shipley is a capable pass catcher, and the Jaguars have given up the second most catches and second most receiving yards to running backs.
5:00Yeah. Shipley was the big name this week. I did want to throw out a couple of the Bengals pass catchers.
5:06Mike Gesicki, Dante Myers, just given all the injuries going on.
5:10You know, Jamar Chase with the concussion coming off the last game.
5:13Tee Higgins with his groin issue. So between Gesicki and Myers, is there any interest here?
5:18Fitz, I'll start with you on this one in starting these guys.
5:21And in a very primo matchup against the Dolphins?
5:24There is. If both Chase and Higgins are out, I am going to have Gesicki just inside tight end one range at like tight end 11.
5:31And I'm going to have Dante Myers just outside the top 30 at wide receiver.
5:36Okay. Gesicki actually is tight end 10 right now.
5:38He was a little bit lower when I put the sheet together yesterday, but he's jumped up a bit here as we get into Thursday.
5:46So yeah, he is already inside that top 10 range in the consensus rankings.
5:50I'll pull up Myers here. Jake, what do you think about these two?
5:53Yeah, I'm more Gesicki than Myers. I would actually even go higher.
5:57Like I would, I referenced this to some people in my articles.
6:00I have Gesicki right now at 14 because I always go the other way.
6:04Like where would they rank if they play? So I ranked Chase and I ranked Higgins because that answers the question before people need to ask it.
6:12If they are both out, I would put Gesicki at eight in front of Juwan Johnson and in front of Dalton Kincaid
6:19and in front of Harold Fannin to give you an idea.
6:22Because he's already been the guy when one of them haven't been off the field.
6:26And I think that you really see Joe Burrow turn to him because the thing about Dante Myers, I would have him
6:33as a wide receiver three, not quite as high as Fitz, but still in that conversation.
6:37I know Zach Taylor was like, oh, he's like Jamar Chase.
6:40Get the hell out of here, Zach. The truth is, if you want a bangle to compare him to, former Andre Hawkins.
6:47If you want a current player to compare him to, Wandel Robinson.
6:50And that's really the truth. But the thing is, we saw Wandel Robinson last year with the Giants.
6:56It can work. He just needs volume and he can hit some of those big plays.
7:00That's why I think Wandel Robinson is a really good comparison.
7:03But you can also see how it could go wrong.
7:06Like if he only gets four targets and they did bring back Mitch Tinsley, who's familiar and actually got some work in that game last week.
7:14And I really do think that if both are out, they're just going to say, hey, we're facing the Dolphins.
7:20Let's lean on Chase Brown and Samajay Piran if you're desperate for a running back, by the way.
7:25And I think you see a lot out of the backfield with Gesicki also, like I said, taking a big step forward.
7:31We've seen this before, too, with Yoshivas when both of them have been out.
7:35But, you know, you get some of those games where it's like, oh, Yoshivas popped off.
7:40He was top 25. And he gets somewhere. It's like, OK, he was 45.
7:44So I think the bigger thing that I would come back with is that I feel like we're in the same range fits that I are on Myers.
7:52But that's going to be wrong. Either he's going to be much higher than that, like top 20, or he's going to be wide receiver like 40 something.
8:00And that basically that 30 to 35 ranking is just going to be wrong.
8:04So, Jake, one of the reasons I'm not inside the top 10 on Gesicki was actually because of a point you made,
8:11I think, on the Waiver Wire show this week that we're probably going to get an annoying number of targets and receptions
8:17for the other Bengals tight ends this week to Drew Sample, Tanner Hudson, maybe Eric All.
8:22So that I just I feel like a lot of people are going to be on Gesicki and I would not be
8:28shocked if he had like three targets and two catches.
8:31That's yeah, that's a fair point. I'm I'm thinking if Joe Burrow still throws touchdowns, they're probably going to get sick.
8:37Similar like if if you see Goddard back for the Eagles this week, he's like the red zone presence.
8:43So you're not wrong. But I'd be I'd be the sucker to chase it.
8:47We'll put it that way for sure. But if if the Mike Gesicki people are mad on Monday morning about the output,
8:53it's going to be because like those. Well, you're right.
8:56You're right. The last two games, three for 37 and three for 40 touchdown touchdown.
9:00If you take away the touchdown at either one of those games, you're angry about the Gesicki output.
9:06Yeah. You guys are roughly in line with Gesicki with consensus.
9:09Myers, you guys are actually had he's ranked as a wide receiver for his wide receiver 38 in consensus right now.
9:15He's sandwiched by the two Buffalo guys, Khalil Shakir and Keon Coleman.
9:18He's actually two spots ahead of Marvin Harrison Jr., which is just hilarious to think about at this point.
9:24I mean, Harrison doesn't get the Detroit defense. That's too high for Harrison.
9:28So even against the Lions, you would you'd rather play Myers than Harrison?
9:31Jake, his snap count went down. It was one catch for a touchdown against the giant secondary.
9:36Like what? What are we doing? Yeah, I guess I like I actually think I could toss this one as in.
9:42I know it's you're the host, but I want to toss this to Fitz.
9:46It's like I'm looking at my ranks on the other side.
9:50I think I would still start Malik Washington over Dante Myers, but that's the range that I put him in like the valet Malik Washington.
9:57But I think I would still start Malik Washington.
9:59I'm kind of curious where Fitz would land. I've got Malik Washington ranked ahead.
10:04But that is right now. My assumption is Higgins plays and Chase doesn't because I thought I thought we'd gotten a report
10:10Higgins practiced on a limited basis Wednesday. But then I thought maybe I saw later that he didn't actually practice.
10:16He didn't. Yeah, that was. So, yeah, if both of those guys are out, I will probably vault Dante Myers past Malik Washington.
10:22Like Malik Washington, some of the target share and area share numbers are great, but they're averaging 25.2 pass attempts a game.
10:29Second fewest in the NFL. So area yards and target share doesn't mean as much when you're such a low volume passing attack.
10:35The are they playing tool on fantasypros.com. Chase has a 20% chance to play Higgins 68%.
10:40But that is like keep an eye on that after the Thursday practice stuff because that I think will make a pretty
10:46big difference in what those numbers look like. Let's go to our plant your flag segment here.
10:51Jake, I'll start with you. Who are you planting your flag on this week?
10:55I thought this was going to be like pretty common to have him as a QB one this week.
11:01And then I saw it and I'm like, oh, I guess I'm on a limb here.
11:06So I guess I'll plant my flag. And CJ Stroud.
11:09And like we're talking about one of the past happiest offenses in the league for good reason.
11:13The backfield just stinks. And I know the Titans defense has been good.
11:17It's finally kind of like I saw a report yesterday talking about how solid defenses takes a while to get the grasp.
11:24And once it does is where it becomes fearsome.
11:26But at the same time, it's like I'm still not that scared, especially in the passing department.
11:31Maybe I should be. But CJ Stroud was already producing without Nico Collins, was producing with Nico Collins, continues to throw a ton, averaging 300 some odd yards.
11:39A game. A game. I just I don't see how like I'm looking at this list and right behind him.
11:45Like I don't want to play Shuck going against Brian Flores in that defense.
11:49I don't. I'm not playing Jalen Hurts at this point.
11:52And with that offensive line on top of it, like the tush push isn't even working well for them.
11:58And now we're dying on to the like the Kyler Murray, Bo Nix, Sam Darnold range.
12:02I'm just like I'm playing CJ Stroud over all of these guys.
12:06So I was actually surprised to see that I was so far ahead.
12:09Like I am a 12 and that's three ahead of consensus.
12:13I was actually surprised by that. So I guess that's where I'm planting my flag is that I think CJ Stroud is
12:19going to go out there and throw 300 yards and two plus touchdowns again.
12:23It's actually four ahead of consensus. Stroud is at 16 right now.
12:27Yeah. Fitz, for you, is that too high, too low or just right?
12:30I'm at 13. And probably the only guy I have him behind who it sounds like Jake has Stroud ahead of is Jalen Hurts.
12:37And I don't know if I feel great about having Hurts higher than Stroud.
12:41Yeah, they're back to back in consensus. Those two.
12:44Yeah. I mean, the Titans defense before Lamar went out was getting absolutely shredded last week.
12:49I thought Stroud looked great last week. Nico back.
12:51I'm willing, you know, in a in a one QB league, maybe I'm not quite as bullish as Jake, but I'm like
12:58definitely willing to start him if I need it.
13:00And in a super flex, I'm feeling really good if he's my QB two this week.
13:05I think he's a great play. Fitz, who is your player flag player?
13:09It's Travion Henderson. Ramondre Stevenson went down awkwardly in the final minute of the Patriots win over the Bills last week.
13:15I'm no doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
13:19It looked like it could have been a high ankle sprain or a sprained MCL.
13:23Ramondre supposedly got in a limited practice on Wednesday, but it seems like there's a real question about his availability on Sunday.
13:29And if he's out and Travion Henderson gets all the work, well, when Stevenson missed three games last season, Henderson had 330
13:36yards from scrimmage and five touchdowns over those three games.
13:39He was RB three and fantasy scoring over that stretch.
13:41And even if Stevenson is able to play, pretty good bet that Henderson leads the New England backfield and touches against the Raiders because of the Stevenson injury.
13:50And I am betting on Henderson to pop this week.
13:52Right now, I've got him just outside the top 20s at RB 21, Stevenson RB 28.
13:57But if Stevenson is scratched, I'm going to have Henderson well inside the top 20.
14:01Yeah, I think it was that he was expected to not practice, but then actually did get listed as a limited participant
14:08eventually, I think to the surprise of the people covering the team.
14:11I'm not really sure what that's going to look like the rest of the week.
14:16I mean, based on our tool, if a guy gets a limited practice in on Wednesday, it thinks there's a pretty good chance of him playing.
14:23So right now, our site has Stevenson as very likely to play.
14:27But again, this is another one where you want to keep an eye on that.
14:31This practice reports over the next couple of days.
14:34Jake, where are you at on Travion Henderson if Ramondre were to play and also if Ramondre were not to play?
14:40So yeah, I have Henderson in the 20s right now with Stevenson in the rankings.
14:44If there is no Stevenson, I also referenced this in the article.
14:48I even said if there's no Ramondre Stevenson, Henderson will be an RB 1.
14:52I'd put him up there. I'd play him in front of DeAndre Swift even going against the Packers because they don't need to force the issue with Swift.
15:00I'm not even considering the fumble and then he barely was on the field after that, if at all.
15:05Because part of it was he was banged up heading into that game.
15:09But to give you an idea, I bring that up because I have Swift at 12 and I would play Henderson in
15:15front of him with no Stevenson because we've seen how much – like you're talking about bell cow workload for Henderson.
15:22Like how do you turn your nose up at that?
15:24Yeah, if Stevenson's out, it's pretty exciting to have Henderson on the roster.
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16:05All right, guys, let's get to our first running back debate here.
16:09How about Quinshon Judkins versus Aaron Jones? I'll pull up the rankings here to see if there's been any update.
16:14They were very close when I put this together.
16:17Jones is currently at RB13, Judkins at RB16. So if you're making that decision, Fitz, who do you prefer, Aaron Jones or Quinshawn Judkins?
16:24I actually have Judkins ranked one spot higher. And I think workload is the appeal for both guys.
16:29With Jordan Mason on injured reserve, Aaron Jones has averaged 23 touches a game and 108 scrimmage yards per game over the
16:36last three weeks, although he has not scored a touchdown.
16:38Judkins is averaging 18.5 touches a game this season.
16:41He's had 20 and 23 touches the last two weeks.
16:44But the new wrinkle for Judkins, which I appreciate, is his pass catching.
16:48He's already got 15 receptions this season. He had 26 receptions all of last year in 14 games.
16:53Both guys have pretty good matchups this week. Jones gets the Saints, who've given up the most rushing yards and fantasy points to running backs.
17:00And it seemed like they gave up about 500 fantasy points to the Falcons backs last week.
17:05Judkins gets the Jets. They've given up the sixth most fantasy points, fourth most rushing yards to running backs.
17:11The reason I have Judkins ranked higher is that the Vikings might be without two key offensive linemen.
17:16They're definitely going to be without left guard Donovan Jackson, who just went on IR with a torn meniscus.
17:21And it looks like they could be without left tackle Christian Derrissaw, who has a concussion.
17:26Jake, what do you think? I was actually a little surprised.
17:29The fact that not that they're close, that you just had them ahead.
17:33I'm going Aaron Jones mostly just because I think if you look at these matchups, they're both top five, in my opinion.
17:39The Saints and the Jets for the run defense.
17:42And I get what you're saying about the offensive line concerns.
17:45And maybe that's enough that people will agree with you and push the Judkins.
17:49I just look at the ecosystem of the offenses, and I just trust the Vikings more.
17:54I know that it's been shaky because of the quarterback situation and Conor, all that type of stuff.
17:59But you brought it up. The touches for Aaron Jones are just gift.
18:03And I look at the inconsistency with Judkins in the receiving game, and that's my concern.
18:08It's like, is this going to be a week where he does get the five, six, seven targets?
18:13Or is this going to be like two weeks ago, just two weeks ago, and week one where it was like two?
18:19So it's just that volatility. I have a little bit of a gap.
18:23I think it's like four spots from Aaron Jones to Judkins.
18:26But they're in the same conversation where this isn't one where I'm going to be like, oh, I need to watch this
18:32and see if I can joke with Fitz and be like, ha-ha, you were wrong on it.
18:37I feel like you're in a decent spot if either one of them, you're RB2 this week.
18:42Some of the names that these guys are ranked around in the consensus rankings this week, DeAndre Swift, Bashel Tootin, Jeremiah Love, Emmanuel Wilson.
18:49Jake, do those names sound like about the right range for Jones and Judkins?
18:53Or are there guys you like a lot better there?
18:56No, and that's the point. I think that the fact that they are both in the conversation with those names, I'd even
19:03throw Braylon Allen on the other side of that.
19:05And Gentey against the Patriots defense and not knowing if he's still 100%.
19:09He says he's getting there or might be or whatever.
19:12But all those names, I think that's the biggest takeaway from this is you should feel good about both because they're in the conversation with those guys.
19:20Yeah. Is it crazy to think maybe the Browns offense is just better than the Vikings offense, though?
19:25I mean, right now, EPA per play, Browns 18th, Vikings 27th.
19:28They have been better this season. The consistency of usage is my concern.
19:32That's all it is. And I think like Judkins is, is he even averaging three yards a carry at this point still?
19:38I think he's right at three. So like, again, you're not wrong.
19:42Like the overall offense, like, you know, I know people don't want to like give any credit to Deshaun Watson, but like
19:48the player is playing better than anybody thought it would.
19:51And like the offense is clicking the offense. This entire team is playing worlds better than anybody thought it would.
19:57The thing is, it used to be like you kind of needed a touchdown from Quinshawn Judkins to have him pop for you.
20:04But there were like terrible odds of him getting a touchdown in any given game.
20:08And now I think they're actually respectable. Only has one got his first touchdown last week against the Steelers.
20:13But I think there's at least, yeah, something close to a 50-50 chance in any given game.
20:18Do you guys think that Deshaun Watson specifically, but then by extension, the offense is going to come crashing down at some point this season?
20:26Or have you seen enough to be like, hey, we'll be at least competent throughout 2026?
20:30Or do you feel like you're playing with fire here, Fitz?
20:33Well, if Watson comes crashing down, they're going to put in Shadour Sanders.
20:37And I think he can prop it back up again to at least just respectable levels.
20:42I mean, Shadour's not going to go out there and play like Josh Allen.
20:46But he can, I think between the two of those guys, they're going to have enough to make Denzel Boston, Harold Fannin, Casey Concepcion go.
20:53And I think that's just what everyone is hoping for.
20:56They know they're not going to get sterling quarterback play from the Browns.
21:00Just give us enough to make the pieces of that offense functional and fantasy relevant.
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22:50Yeah. Jake, let's go to our next running back debate.
22:53You already mentioned this guy, Ja'Kory Krosky Merritt. I've got him up against Omerian Hampton for you.
22:58They are back-to-back in ECR. They are the last two RB2s in the rankings, RB23 and 24.
23:03Bill Krosky-Merritt is the guy who is one spot ahead.
23:06You mentioned being pretty low on him this week.
23:08Do you like him better than Omerian Hampton, or do you like Hampton?
23:12Not even close. Like, I want nothing to do with this commander's backfield.
23:16I've said it time and again. I had him in the drops for waivers last week, and then no Rashad White.
23:22And I'm like, oh, I guess I have to put Krosky-Merritt in the RB20s.
23:26And that was the wrong call. It's just stuck with, like, just don't play him.
23:30Because the backfield's a mess, and I know they get Jaden Daniels back, and I know nobody expected Zach Galifianakis to be a quarterback.
23:37And yes, I said that because I'm not messing with the other name.
23:41It was a Kali-F. Are you supposed to pronounce the K or not?
23:45I believe it's A-thing Kaliak-Manus. Kaliak-Manus. Is that Kaliak-Manus?
23:48So you do pronounce it? Because I keep hearing it differently.
23:51Like, some people say Kali-Manus, and some people say Kaliak-Manus.
23:54I pulled up on the old Minnesota College website.
23:56He pronounces it for you on his, like, bio page.
23:59Oh, does he? That's how he says it. That's actually how I found out about it.
24:04Unless it's changed or something. Big 10 guys like Worm and I know about these things, Jay.
24:09Yeah. Back in the day when Tariq Cohen came out of college, everybody was like, is it Tariq or Tariq?
24:15And I found a clip of his mom saying his name.
24:18He was saying Tariq. Yeah. And it's like this.
24:20I used to get yelled at in the comments for saying Tonga Vailoa for Tua.
24:25And I was like, guys, I'm a Maryland guy.
24:27I watch his little brother on my TV every single week.
24:31I know how to pronounce his family's last name.
24:33Well, no, because I'm not with you on that one.
24:36Because that's the same as Krzyzewski. Krzyzewski. You can't tell me that's how your last name is pronounced.
24:41You can't just add pronunciations to letters that aren't even there.
24:44Stop. But anyway, so we go to this. The whole point here is that now they have Austin Eckler in the mix,
24:51which we already saw last week and still has something left.
24:54But it's just, it's a mess. Even Katron Allen is still being involved.
24:58And I don't expect him to be involved this week.
25:01Rashad White is healthy. And it's not like, you know, losing Brian Burns is a massive death knell to the offense as a whole.
25:08But it's still quality enough that it's like, oh, I'm not just going to smash Krzyzewski into my lineup.
25:13I know it's been gross for the Chargers. I know they're down 15 offensive linemen.
25:18Like, it's just everything was going to be fine this year.
25:21Slater and Alt out again. And the other one that has the concussion on top of it.
25:26So you look at a penny. And so this entire offensive line is a mess.
25:30The entire offense is a mess. I'm still going to take Hampton.
25:33I don't want to, this is another one. I don't want to start either of them.
25:38Like, I'd rather, if I had the choice and I could say put in RJ Harvey, I'd put in RJ Harvey over both.
25:45Over both. He's good. Okay. He's ranked a few spots behind in ECR.
25:49He's at RB 27. Again, these guys are 23 and 24, respectively.
25:52Fitz, yeah, Jake did mention, like, obviously it's kind of a gross situation for both of them.
25:57Jane Daniels is coming back for the commanders. They sort of made that more official this morning, this week.
26:03So, do you create Krosky Merritt or Marion Hampton?
26:05Who do you prefer? It's Krosky Merritt for me.
26:08And it's kind of a big gap, actually, for me also.
26:11So Jake and I are far apart on this one.
26:14Jaden Daniels, his return is part of that. I think that boosts the touchdown odds for Ja'Kory Krosky Merritt.
26:19I was disappointed, certainly, that Ja'Kory Krosky Merritt didn't have a better game against the Colts and their terrible run defense last week.
26:26Nine carries for 15 yards. Although he did have a season-high 35 receiving yards, did Bill.
26:31He's averaging about 15 touches a game. And the Giants' run defense might not be the pushover that it was last year,
26:37but Jake mentioned they just lost Brian Burns. It's no worse than a neutral matchup.
26:41Probably a good one for Bill. Um, O'Marion Hampton is a committee back now.
26:45Like, Keaton Mitchell led the Chargers running backs with 26 snaps last week against the Seahawks.
26:50Hampton and Kamani Vidal both played 25. It was nearly one-third, one-third, one-third.
26:54Mitchell had the most touches, 15. Hampton had 11.
26:56Nine carries, 45 yards. Got the touchdown, which kind of salvaged his fantasy day.
27:01Two catches for eight yards. And right now, the Chargers offensive line, every bit as much of a train wreck as the Commanders offensive line.
27:08Left tackle for Sean Slater, high ankle sprain, he's out for sure.
27:11Joe Ault, the right tackle, neck injury, not sure about his status.
27:15And once again, the middle of the Chargers offensive line, really bad, just like it was last year.
27:20So, I prefer Bill. I just think better matchup, Giants versus Broncos.
27:23Giants are the softer matchup. And I feel a little bit more certain about Bill's usage.
27:28Where did you rank them? I've got Bill 24, RB 24.
27:31We're not that far apart. I've got Hampton 31.
27:34Okay. So, Hampton's pretty low for you. Hampton or like, you know, RJ Harvey, like he said, it sounds like you'd prefer Harvey fifths.
27:41Yeah, I would. Let's see. Yeah, I've got Harvey 25.
27:44So, and I, Jake might have a good point about Harvey versus JCM.
27:48Right now, I've got Krosky Mare two spots higher, but I'd have to think long and hard about that if I had that to learn.
27:55Well, here's the real one. How about Will Shipley versus American Hampton?
27:58That's exactly what I was just about to say that, Jake.
28:01I have Shipley between Bill and Hampton. I'd start Shipley over Hampton.
28:05Yes. Wow. I don't hate it because the biggest issue is that Hampton doesn't fit Mike McDaniel's offense very well.
28:11He needs to be more power. And the one thing I will say is I saw, I forget who said it, that
28:17floated out there, that there's been interviews where Harbaugh is starting to make it sound like alluding to that he might step in a little bit with McDaniel.
28:25And if that's the case, maybe there's hope left for Hampton.
28:28But this was never like the Hampton fit with McDaniel was never the best.
28:33And I don't think anybody, myself excluded, didn't expect it to be this bad, though.
28:37I think Hampton has a better chance of getting a touchdown this week than Will Shipley.
28:42And that's why I would prefer Hampton. Like, Shipley, like, again, such a tough matchup.
28:46They have to travel across the ocean. It's a really, like, retooled offensive line.
28:50It's a non-functioning offense right now. I just, like, I really would like to get away from Shipley if it's at all possible.
28:57And maybe Hampton gets a, you know, close carry and gets in.
29:00That's the hope. I don't feel great about either.
29:03But let's go to some wide receiver debates here.
29:05The first one I'm throwing out might sound interesting.
29:08It's obviously based a bit on the quarterback health.
29:11Zay Flowers versus Christian Watson. And Flowers, of course, has been amazing this season.
29:15One of the best receivers in football when he's been on the field.
29:18But Lamar, I think, is unlikely to play this week.
29:21They're still sort of holding out hope and not ruling him out as of when we're taping this morning.
29:27But you talk to some people and they're like, oh, it's like day-to-day.
29:31Let's see what the practice looks like on Thursday.
29:33And then you talk to other people and they're like, this is like probably a multi-week injury.
29:38So I lean towards thinking that they're not going to play him, especially coming up.
29:42They have a divisional game against the currently tied for first place Browns next week.
29:47So I would imagine they would want to do their best to get Lamar ready for that and not push him against
29:53an NFC opponent, even though it's on Sunday Night Football.
29:56Having said all that, if it's Tyler, if it's Lamar Jackson, of course, we're playing Zay Flowers.
30:01If it's Tyler Huntley, how far down the rankings are you guys looking to move Zay Flowers into that range against Christian Watson is where I'm asking it.
30:09Jake, I'll start with you. Who do you prefer here if it's Tyler Huntley, a quarterback?
30:14Yeah, so my ranks do have Tyler Huntley in and I'm not counting on Lamar Jackson.
30:18So without Lamar Jackson, Zay Flowers has actually been targeted on 28.2% of his routes compared to 23.5% with Lamar Jackson.
30:25But as the great person would say, not so fast, my friends, because the difference is the yards per reception with Lamar Jackson, 14.4%.
30:31With anybody else, 8.3%. That's over six yards per reception difference.
30:35I'm still starting Zay Flowers as a wide receiver too, but that's all you need to know is that he's a wide
30:41receiver too and not a wide receiver one. He is three spots behind Christian Watson, assuming Tyler Huntley is that quarterback.
30:47I would actually even play Adams and a healthy Justin Jefferson in front of him, which might sound might actually happen this week.
30:54Just because it's a huge, huge efficiency loss for Zay Flowers with Tyler Huntley.
30:58Yeah, you are lower than consensus, Jake. He's wide receiver nine right now in ECR.
31:02And if it was Lamar Jackson, like absolutely. No question about it.
31:06You could argue that's low with Lamar Jackson. With Lamar, I would argue that's low, even though there's other really good receivers.
31:12Like he's just been so amazing. But yeah, without him, it's night and day.
31:16The offense is night and day. Like I'll give you a comparison.
31:20Totally capable backup. Sorry to jump back in. The Zay Flowers, like I'm struggling Malik Neighbors versus Zay Flowers versus Parker Washington with Tyler Huntley.
31:27And I think I might feel a little bit better about Malik Neighbors and Parker Washington because also they don't have Quinion Mitchell this week anyway.
31:34Those guys are wide receiver 12 and 14, respectively.
31:37So in that same range, you're talking about Devante Adams, too, as, you know, kind of where you're ranking Flowers with Huntley in there.
31:44Fitz, what do you think about this one? Flowers and Watson, both top 10 in an ECR right now.
31:50But again, the question mark with Zay. I've got Zay ranked a little higher.
31:54He is the focal point of the Ravens offense.
31:56And, you know, I realize that maybe it's a slight drop off with former Pro Bowl quarterback Tyler Huntley in instead of Lamar Jackson.
32:03No, it's a drop off for sure. But yeah, I mean, it diminishes the outlook a little bit.
32:08But Tyler Huntley can throw a spiral. Like he's he's going to do enough to get Zay Flowers across the finish line for fantasy, I believe.
32:16So I have a smidge ahead of Christian Watson.
32:19I Tyler Huntley, I felt like was a better backup fit for Lamar in the Todd Munkin and Greg Roman offenses.
32:25I don't know that he does the things as well as Lamar that have made Lamar so special in the Declan Doyle
32:31offense, like throwing over the middle and the under center stuff.
32:34So I'm a little nervous about that from the Ravens offensive perspective that Tyler Huntley is a in a vacuum capable quarterback,
32:41but maybe not as strong of a fit with Declan Doyle.
32:44He also came in in the second half very cold against the Titans.
32:48He said that he didn't even realize he was starting the second half until like two minutes beforehand, basically like right when it was getting kicked off.
32:55So he was like, you know, this wasn't something he was mentally preparing for all week like he is going to be this week.
33:02So I'm hoping that they would adapt to his skill set and continue to find ways to put Zay Flowers in positions to succeed.
33:09But it does make me nervous, at least when he's ranked inside the top 10, you know, just given how much of
33:16a drop off it is a quarterback with how good Lamar has been.
33:19So I wanted to make sure to ask about him, even though in every other week this season when he's been healthy,
33:26he's been pretty much a no brainer start. So what did you say you actually have him ranked fifths?
33:31I know you said he's higher than Watson for you, but where actually is he ranked?
33:36Wide receiver eight. Eight. Eight. OK, so you're actually even ahead of consensus then.
33:40So you're very, very on board with Zay. Let's go to another wide receiver debate here.
33:45Josh Downs or Carnell Tate? Tate coming off of a great game against the Ravens.
33:49Downs, obviously somebody who's had some opportunity this year.
33:52These guys are ranked close to each other. Last I looked, let me double check where they are right now.
33:58Josh Downs, wide receiver 25. Carnell Tate actually moved up a bit.
34:01He's wide receiver 21. Fitz, I'll start with you here.
34:04Who do you prefer, Carnell Tate or Josh Downs?
34:06I've actually got Downs ranked higher. And I know Downs is coming off a disappointing game against the Commanders.
34:12Three catches, 16 yards on four targets. And I know a lot of people are going to want to abandon Josh Downs because of that performance.
34:20Pittsburgh defense, not necessarily a great matchup for Josh Downs.
34:22The Steelers have given up the sixth most fantasy points to outside receivers.
34:26The ninth fewest fantasy points to slot receivers, according to fantasy points data.
34:30But Downs, he did have 20 targets in weeks two and three, 12 catches in weeks two and three.
34:36He's just such an important cog in the Colts passing game.
34:39And Carnell Tate hit the big breakout game last week.
34:42Nine catches, 145 yards, 12 targets against the Ravens.
34:44This is a Texans defense that surprisingly has given up the most fantasy points to wide receivers.
34:49I still find it really hard to trust Kim Ward to make it happen for Tate on a consistent basis.
34:55I'm certainly willing to come around on that. But my stance right now is basically that was a neat trick.
35:01Do it again. Jake, are you viewing this Houston defense as a particularly difficult matchup for Carnell Tate?
35:06Or like just kind of giving any weight to the preseason expectations?
35:09And, you know, in doing that saying, well, listen, they face the Bills and Bengals and Cowboys.
35:14And that's part of why those numbers look so bad.
35:17Or are you adjusting those expectations for the defense moving forward?
35:20And maybe not viewing it as that tricky of a matchup for Tate?
35:24A little bit of both. Like, I don't think they're the dog worst wide receiver matchup as in like they're just been getting waxed.
35:31I don't think that's going to continue. Demecker Ryan said he's taking back over play calls.
35:36He's frustrated. I don't think anybody expected it to be this bad.
35:39This was a fantasy defense. People were drafting as a top three fantasy defense.
35:43So I think that we'll see better part of it, like you said, was the matchups.
35:48For what Fitz said actually to argue with him for Josh Downs, let's also look, talk about who people have faced.
35:54The Steelers. Well, week one, Drake London did nothing.
35:57Like, just throw out week one. But I want to talk about specifically the outside versus the inside receivers versus them.
36:03Week two, Dobbs on the outside of the biggest game.
36:06It was the Patriots over the slot receiver. Week three, the Bengals.
36:09Oh, Tee Higgins, Jamar Chase outside. Nobody cares about the slot receiver.
36:13Week four, Denzel Boston. But oh, by the way, Casey Concepcion, eight targets, five receptions, 64 yards.
36:18So they're not like, it's not so much that like, oh, they just get destroyed outside and dominate everybody over the middle.
36:24Part of it's who they face too and what the abilities of the offenses they're facing.
36:29So I'm with him. I'm on the Josh Downs train because the other part of it, too, is like, which do I believe more?
36:36Do I believe the Houston, Texas defense is terrible or do I believe that Cam Ward is finally good?
36:41I'm probably going to lean like less so than the fact that the Texas defense is this bad.
36:46I'm with Fitz. I want to see it again.
36:49And I'm way behind consensus on Cardinal Tate. I just don't trust Cam Ward.
36:53I don't trust that offense. I still think it needs more time coming off one game where like, yeah, this is the Cardinal Tate.
37:00I feel like that was more of Cardinal Tate doing the max effort that he can with what Cam Ward was doing
37:06than it was Cam Ward really helping Tate finally beat Tate.
37:10So I'm going Josh Downs. I'm going Josh Downs for a bounce back this week.
37:14Where do you have Cardinal Tate, Jake? Apparently, I hate Cardinal Tate in his entire life because that's all anybody keeps saying
37:20to me is like, why do you hate Cardinal Tate?
37:23I have him at 32. I'm behind Denzel Boston.
37:26Behind Denzel Boston. And that's the thing. He's behind Boston, Adunze, Downs, Diggs, which potentially no Terry McLaurin, Burden, Dobbs, Metcalf, Waddle.
37:32Like, I just I don't I'm not starting Tate over any of those names.
37:36And maybe I'm wrong, but like those names, I trust more than one game of Cardinal Tate.
37:41Yeah, you are definitely I'm not saying you do hate him, but you are significantly lower than.
37:46I also, to be fair, he was he's inherently going to move up three spots if there's no Chase Higgins and McLaurin
37:53because I have all of them in my rankings.
37:55So sure, there's some room to get higher, too.
37:58That's a good point to note that context. All right.
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38:20We usually call this rapid fire. We have a little time to work through.
38:24We don't have to like literally lightning around this thing, but we'll start off with another running back one.
38:30How about Tony Pollard or Ollie Gordon this week, Jake?
38:33Can I can I recuse myself from this nonsense?
38:35I will. We talked about on the waiver show.
38:38Jalen Wright got the first touches. Ollie Gordon did have a good game.
38:42Even if you erase the 53 yard run, still decent production on the touches that he had.
38:46I am saying that because I am worried about Jalen Wright.
38:50I still think this could be a 50-50 split in a bad offense, but I'm starting Gordon over Tony Pollard.
38:55Again, I don't necessarily believe the Titans offense. The Houston Texans run defense is at least still good, unlike their pass defense.
39:02And if you start getting a little bit more pass happy, we still see Spears sprinkled in.
39:07So I'm going Gordon over Pollard, but they're both in tier four running backs.
39:11Like they're in the names of like J.K. Dobbins.
39:13Like I don't want to start these guys, but I know we're already in buys and so many injuries you might have to.
39:20They're RB 26 and RB 28 respectively in consensus right now.
39:23Fitz, what do you think? Yeah, I'm kind of where consensus is and I have Pollard just a little bit higher.
39:29I just trust the volume more with Pollard. He has had in the Titans last three games, 15, 21 and 18 touches.
39:36So he is clearly the Titans lead guy. And it's the same thing Jake said.
39:40I don't fully trust that Ollie Gordon is squarely ahead of Jalen Wright in the post-Devon H& Miami backfield.
39:46And Dolphins head coach Jeff Halfley said this week that Wright is going to get more work.
39:51Now, I don't know what that means. It doesn't mean more than Gordon.
39:54Maybe not, but more than he had last week when he got what out snapped like 22 to 12 and out touched 11 to 5.
40:02So I just I also worry about the matchup for Gordon, who's primarily an inside runner and the Dolphins playing the Bengals with Dexter Lawrence in the middle.
40:10I think it's generally easier to run outside against the Bengals.
40:13And maybe that's more of a Jalen Wright strength than a Ollie Gordon strength.
40:17Wide receiver here, Debo Samuel or Romeo Dobbs? Jake, I'll start with you again.
40:21Samuel or Dobbs this week? I have intrigue for both of them.
40:25I go Dobbs slightly just because Debo Samuel strangely has been like doing a lot with very little and also gets the Seahawks.
40:31Like that's really what it just comes down to.
40:34Like I don't want to start any wide receiver against the Seahawks unless I absolutely have to.
40:39So I would go Dobbs who's, you know, been the one and may turn it around.
40:43I will say I do have slight concerns about Drake May.
40:47I am not fully 100% back on board. Looked confident.
40:50Yes. But the biggest issue that he had for the first three weeks is that teams were getting pressure on him without sending extra defenders.
40:57And that's what he was struggling with so much as five, six dropping to the coverage pressure in his face.
41:03Because the Raiders can do that too. So that's like, I don't want, it's crazy to say this in week five, but
41:09like this is going to be my baseline of if I trust Drake May again is if he can do it against the Raiders defense.
41:16But all that being said, like I'd rather go Dobbs versus the Raiders defense than Debo Samuel against the Seahawks.
41:22Dobbs is wide receiver 24. Debo is wide receiver 26.
41:25Fitz, who do you prefer? I prefer Debo. I don't have any stats to back this up, but I feel like Debo's
41:31Swiss Army knife usage makes him maybe a little more matchup resistant than some other wide receivers.
41:36So Debo scored three touchdowns in four games. They're using him as both a receiver and a runner.
41:41Kyle Shanahan has given him at least one carry in every game.
41:45And last week, Debo had three carries for 44 yards against the Broncos.
41:49He's had a five catch game and a six catch game so far this season.
41:53Whereas with Dobbs, I just don't know what his role is going to be in any given week.
41:58No A.J. Brown. And it's just an ensemble cast of pass catchers in New England and Dobbs weekly total target totals so far this season.
42:06Three, four, four, nine last week. And I know he got the two touchdowns last week.
42:10I'm just I'm not chasing that. I think I prefer the more consistent involvement of Debo.
42:15Yeah, Debro was all over the matchup for Dobbs and the defense he was going up against as like a particularly friendly matchup.
42:22So he was very spot on about that with Dobbs last week.
42:25And, you know, you wonder how that'll pan out with this week's matchup.
42:29Let's go to some flex questions here. I would do want to throw on here with Will Shipley because I think given
42:35where he's ranked, it's possible people are playing him at running back.
42:39But it's also possible people are thinking about playing him in the flex.
42:42How about Will Shipley versus DK Metcalf fits? This is tough.
42:46I'm I'm going to go with Shipley for the relative touch certainty that that I think he's going to get a dozen touches guaranteed, maybe a lot more.
42:54Whereas Metcalf going against the Colts now, their outside receiver slot receiver disparity is a little more trustworthy maybe than the Steelers.
43:00Colts have been really good against outside receivers, largely because they've got Sauce Gardner in coverage against some of those outside guys.
43:06So that would seem bad for DK Metcalf, but the Steelers did move DK Metcalf into the slot quite a bit last
43:13week against the Browns to get him out of Denzel Ward's coverage.
43:16And he did some damage against the Browns other cornerbacks.
43:19Five catches for Metcalf, 115 yards in that game.
43:22Maybe the Steelers do the same thing to get Metcalf out of Sauce Gardner's coverage.
43:26But I'm still going to go Shipley here. If I was a clear underdog, I might roll the dice with Metcalf just
43:33because it's easier to lean into a player with a boom or bust profile when you're an underdog.
43:38But under most circumstances, I think I'd play Shipley.
43:40Just because we're talking about the Steelers receiving room, Adam Schefter just tweeted that Michael Pittman re-injured his foot and is now expected to miss multiple weeks.
43:48That's according to Schefter via or that's according to Mike McCarthy via Adam Schefter.
43:52So just throwing that out there. There's a pretty wide gap in ECR.
43:56I just really wanted to include a Shipley one, and I also really wanted to include a DK Metcalf one.
44:02Fitz is against consensus here. Metcalf is ranked well ahead.
44:05Oh, is he? I was going to say, like, I thought that I might be the odd one.
44:10Like, I would go Metcalf over Shipley. I am super close in flex rankings, but I would.
44:15We're talking about somebody who's top 10 in targets.
44:18I know it hasn't been super efficient, but Aaron Rodgers looks for him, looks for him, looks for him.
44:23He's got 10, 9, 5, and 9. Like, the 5 is the low output against the Bengals, which everybody expected more.
44:29I'm not even going to say, like, oh, he scored a touchdown in that game.
44:34Like, we want more than the 5 targets, but that's the thing.
44:37I'm looking more at the 10, 9, and 9.
44:40And I'm looking at the games where, like, the offense is working, you know, against Atlanta.
44:44I think he only had, like, four catches, but the volume is just there.
44:48No Pittman adds to it, where I was already going to say this before that.
44:53Pittman's basically been irrelevant anyway. So, I just, I'm going Metcalf.
44:56I just really don't expect anything from Shipley. And I wouldn't count on it, but I wouldn't be shocked.
45:01Like, I wouldn't come out, like, we're doing the waiver show on Monday.
45:05And we're like, well, I guess we're picking up Damian Pierce because it was a 50-50 split.
45:10I wouldn't be shocked. Like, I don't think that's going to happen, but it's not like Will Shipley's proven so much.
45:16Like, this isn't the Braylon Allen Isaiah Davis situation, in my opinion.
45:20Like, I don't think there's enough with Shipley where he can say, oh, he's walking out with 80% plus of those touches.
45:26And if he only gets 60%, I guess, the Jaguars defense, that's why I'm worried about Shipley.
45:31I didn't prep this debate for you guys, but if I had put DK Metcalf against a receiver Jalen Waddell, they're back-to-back in the rankings.
45:38I thought that was an interesting one, too. So, just any, yeah, you're kind of shooting from the hips since I didn't prep you for it.
45:46But do you guys have a preference there? I mean, Waddell, obviously, like, Sean Payton is now taking back over play calling duties in Denver.
45:53So, like, does that change how you're viewing Waddell?
45:56Like, what do you think about this one, Jake?
45:58I think that's more of what we talked about.
46:01I think we talked about it on this show or another Fantasy Pro show where I said that, like, play calling is
46:07more of, like, it's not necessarily they do something different than what Payton would have called.
46:12It's like in-game adjustments. Payton might just be seeing things and being like, hey, I would have adjusted to this.
46:18I would have adjusted to that. And maybe that helps a little bit.
46:21But I go back to the biggest thing I said about Waddell is that if a team wants to take him away
46:28and focus all their defensive coverage attention on him, they can because he's Waddell.
46:32If they spread their defense out and focus on everybody, Waddell will do Waddell things.
46:36I don't think the Chargers can do the former.
46:39I think they're going to be the latter, which is why I would go Waddell.
46:43I would go Waddell easily over Metcalf. I think this is going to be a decent game for Waddell.
46:49Fitz, what do you think about that one? Metcalf or Waddell?
46:52Waddell for me. Okay. Waddell is ahead, but only by one spot.
46:55They're back-to-back in receiver rankings. Let's do another flex here.
46:58Tucker Craft, I like throwing in a tight end every now and then.
47:02Tucker Craft or Denzel Boston, Fitz? Denzel Boston, the budding star.
47:05So he's averaging 71 receiving yards a game. That's almost twice as many as Tucker Craft, who's averaging 37 receiving yards a game.
47:12I think the gap narrows a little bit in full point.
47:15PPR, but I would still take Boston regardless of scoring format.
47:18Jake? Yep. Yeah, I agree. Part of it is like, ha-ha, I told you guys to stick with Tucker Craft, but at
47:25the same time, it's like, hmm, he's still touchdown reliant.
47:28I'm going to go with Denzel Boston, who's also big play and touchdown reliant.
47:32That's the thing. It was kind of embedded in what Fitz was saying there with the PPR side of it, but Boston
47:38can get one catch for 50, and it probably takes three catches for Craft to get 50.
47:43So that's why I'll lean slightly to Boston. Another flex here.
47:46Jordan Addison or Blake Corum, Jake? If Justin Jefferson is back, Blake Corum.
47:50If Justin Jefferson is out, Jordan Addison. This goes back to my Kyler Murray opinion, is Kyler Murray is wide receiver slash
47:56tight end, not wide receiver, wide receiver, then tight end throughout his career.
48:00And you just saw it last week. The one thing additionally, too, and I looked deeper into this for the Kyler Murray
48:07thing, when under pressure, he does target his tight ends more, which is what happened last week.
48:11That's why you saw TJ Hawkinson pepper, pepper, pepper, peppered.
48:14This isn't a week we have to worry that much about the pressure.
48:18So this is an opportunity. Like, Justin Jefferson smashed top 10 if he's playing.
48:22If not, Jordan Addison's going to be top 20.
48:25Like a lot of people had him last week.
48:27I'm going right back to him because this is an opportunity where the matchup is even better for Addison than it was last week.
48:34Fitz? There are a lot of moving parts here with the Addison Jefferson situation.
48:38So Addison's got a hamstring injury. And last time I checked the fantasy pros, are they playing tool on Thursday morning?
48:45Addison had a 49% chance of playing Jefferson at 66% with his ankle injury.
48:49So that's going to largely determine this. I mean, if it is Addison and not Jefferson, then yeah, I think you have to play Addison over Corum.
48:56And I think we saw last week that Corum is kind of worthless in the rare cases where the Rams are in a negative game script.
49:04Like they were in catch-up mode for most of that game against the Eagles.
49:08And Corum just is not a pass catcher. And we saw that there was a target to Corum that he almost bobbled into an interception.
49:15And Corum is just better in games where the Rams are playing with leads.
49:19Rams are playing the Arizona Cardinals. I maybe want to start Blake Corum there.
49:23But I just don't know if they're going to have that sort of game.
49:27This week against the Bills and what's probably going to be a shootout.
49:31So I want to play Addison here, but the injury situation might not allow it.
49:36Another flex one here fits. Devon Vele or Brian Robinson Jr.
49:39coming off his three touchdown game. I mean, it's nice that Brian Robinson has had at least nine carries in every game this season.
49:46So maybe there is a little bit of standalone value here.
49:49But he is not really involved as a pass catcher.
49:52And he's facing a Baltimore run defense much tougher than the Saints run defense that let the two Robinsons go on a Monday night rampage.
49:59Ravens have a lot of the 10th fewest rushing yards to running backs, giving up 3.8 yards per carry to running backs.
50:05So it's a tough matchup for Robinson. Give me Vele despite the suboptimal matchup he has against the Vikings.
50:11I don't know. If you look at the game log, I mean, Brian Robinson's on trajectory to score 35 this week if
50:17he keeps going the way that he's been. So I'm actually with Fitz on this one.
50:22I don't think it's a great matchup for LeVele.
50:25But as mentioned, Brian Robinson, three targets, three receptions through three games.
50:28The three touchdowns were a hell of a lot of fun.
50:31But that's also your banking on that is that Brian Robinson, if anything, this is kind of something I said in the
50:38waivers is he should have been and always should have been in the conversation with Blake Coram and a Mononga guy and
50:44all the like these high end backups that like we were on him last year for this reason.
50:49And then Christian McCaffrey just happened to stay healthy and everybody's like, well, forget Brian Robinson.
50:54Like this is why. So there is, I'd say certainly floor with Brian Robinson because you brought it up, Fitz, at least nine.
51:01He actually has 11, 10 and 14 in the last three games.
51:04So you're going to get five, six, seven points probably from Brian Robinson.
51:08But that's only if that's all you need. If you need it like a normal play, Vele would still be my pick
51:14with I'm in agreement with Fitz on this one.
51:17And any concern for you, Jake, with just Vele's matchup against the Vikings defense?
51:21Yes. Mildly. But Vele has been like the big thing about it is it's not just it's the clear second option for Shook.
51:28I brought up Shook like I do have concerns.
51:30That's why Shook's further down. I'm behind consensus in rankings for Shook.
51:34But he's the clear number two. But the big thing about it is Vele is not just the escape valve when he can't go to Chris Olave.
51:42He gets shots downfield, too. That's what I like so much about Vele is he does both things and fills those two
51:48roles in like that one number two role for him.
51:51Let's go to a quarterback one here. How about Jacoby Brissett?
51:54Very popular streamer this week. It's the pretty much best matchup you can have against that Lions defense versus Jaden Daniels coming back.
52:01You know, obviously the better quarterback. But, you know, first game back from that elbow injury, he gets the Giants.
52:06Who do you prefer here, Jake? I easily prefer Jaden Daniels and then just don't watch the game because you're going to stress yourself out.
52:14Because if Jaden Daniels stays healthy throughout the entire game, it's Jaden Daniels against that Giants defense.
52:19Maybe if there's no Terry McLaurin, you might get me to say it's closer.
52:23And that actually is looking like that might be a possibility.
52:26And I know everybody's on Jacoby Brissett, the number one wide receivers against the Lions, the number one wide receivers against the Cardinals.
52:33Like this is on paper a shootout. It's just we've done the Jacoby Brissett dance before.
52:37He's not too dissimilar from Jameis Winston. Like we want these huge games.
52:41We're expecting these huge games to match up as cake for him.
52:44And then every once in a blue moon, like it's one of those like, well, Jacoby Brissett went back to being terrible Jacoby Brissett.
52:51And I think that's the thing is like a healthy Jaden Daniels.
52:55And I know the elbow is a risk, which is why I said don't watch the game, is that it's Jaden Daniels still.
53:02And he can run against that Giants defense and throw against that Giants defense.
53:06So I'm going Jaden Daniels. But like I said, if I have if I'm starting him and I am in one league,
53:12I'm just not going to watch that game. Like, I just don't want the stress of watching that game.
53:18Fitz? I've got Jacoby Brissett a little bit ahead of Jaden Daniels.
53:21Jake's making a good case for Jaden Daniels. I'm going to have to reconsider this.
53:25And the one thing that kind of scares me about Brissett, I mean, other than the maybe inevitability of him turning back
53:32into a pumpkin, he lost left tackle Paris Johnson to a torn biceps.
53:36And that is a huge loss. Detroit's secondary might be completely flammable, but they can still get after it with the pass rush.
53:42So not having Paris Johnson is kind of a big deal for Jacoby Brissett.
53:46And it makes me a little nervous that as good as this matchup looks like on paper, maybe it's not as good
53:53a situation for Brissett as everyone thinks. Jake, let me ask you, where do you have Brock Purdy against Seattle in relation to Brissett and Jaden Daniels?
54:01I go Jaden Daniels, Brock Purdy, Brissett. I have Purdy two spots in front of Brissett.
54:05I'm just, Purdy for me at nine is the only reason he's down at nine is because he's facing the Seahawks.
54:11Like, I think that Purdy, if we, if you strip the Jersey name off, he like, and just said, look at Brock
54:18Purdy's like entire resume and look at what he's doing, especially this year.
54:21And he's on the 49ers and people didn't think he's Brock Purdy.
54:25He'd be in tier one. Let's be honest. Like the way that he's been playing, he's been honestly, he's been playing more consistently than a Joe Burrow.
54:33And people would be like, oh, I'm starting Joe Burrow against the Seahawks.
54:36You should be saying the same thing about Purdy, in my opinion.
54:40Yeah. Yeah. I've got, so I've got Brissett, QB eight, Purdy QB nine, Jordan Love QB 10 and Daniels QB 11.
54:46But like, I feel like I could reorder those four guys any which way and I wouldn't feel totally great about it.
54:52Yeah. Drake May mixed in there in ECR as well.
54:55It goes Brissett at seven, May at eight, Purdy nine, Daniels 10, Love 11.
54:59I've May ranked highest of those guys. Yeah. All right.
55:02Let's do a tight end here. Colston Loveland or Juwan Johnson this week.
55:06Fitz, I'll start with you on this one. Loveland.
55:09The Vikings are really hard on tight ends. They've allowed the sixth fewest fantasy points to tight ends this year.
55:14Last year, they allowed the eighth fewest fantasy points to tight ends.
55:18Slow start for Loveland and he will be playing with a backup quarterback again.
55:22But it's worth remembering that the last time Loveland faced the Packers, eight catches for 137 yards on 15 targets in the playoffs.
55:29So I've Loveland ranked just a smidge higher. They're back-to-back in ECR.
55:32Loveland tight end 11. Juwan Johnson tight end 12.
55:35So both low end tight end ones. Jake, who do you prefer?
55:38Yeah. Like this is one where like Fitz just made the argument for me to flip them because I have them back-to-back.
55:45Like I have Juwan Johnson as of right now, one spot in front of Loveland.
55:49Like I want to. I want to believe this is happening and that Tyson Bagent was like, hey, this is all we wanted from the Bears.
55:57Target three people. That's it. Just don't mess with Khalif Raymond.
56:00Don't mess with everybody else. This is exactly we got what we wanted and they're going to kind of alternate because it
56:06was the Do-N-Z game more so than it was the Luther Burden game.
56:10But Loveland was involved and like this is what we want to have happen.
56:14I'm also a little hesitant trusting Tyson Bagent just in general, let alone the fact of like, does he do it again?
56:20And that's why I had Juwan Johnson one spot in front of him.
56:24But it's enough that, yeah, you do bring up the Minnesota defense as a concern.
56:28So, and I talked about it with Shuck. I think there's enough that I could flip-flop in this one.
56:34I think that in PPR, I'd still give Juwan Johnson the bare minimum edge that one spot.
56:39But if it's non and half, I probably like, I think Fitz is right in saying Loveland.
56:44Gesicki ahead of both of these guys, Jake? If both Chase and Higgins are out, I would feel better about Gesicki.
56:50Fitz, same question. Gesicki ahead of both of them.
56:53Right now, I've got Gesicki one spot behind Loveland and two spots ahead of Juwan Johnson.
56:57Okay. Let's wrap up with our touchdown calls contest.
57:00I am on running back this week. I will go with Bashal Tootin.
57:04Had a couple of opportunities taken away from him based on penalties in last week's game.
57:08I'm saying he gets in this week. So Tootin for me at running back.
57:12Jake, who's your receiver? I jinxed myself. I said it was going to happen last week.
57:17It was so easy too. And then Jeremiah Love with his 17 mysterious, I don't feel 100% things.
57:22And Tyler Algier gets the touchdown against the Giants.
57:25I even said that was going to happen. I was like, I'm going to get vultured by freaking Tyler Algier.
57:31It wasn't even a vulture. It was from far out too.
57:34So anyway, I'm going for one of my favorite bylaws for this.
57:37Weirdly, like we get everything we wanted from this wide receiver from last year.
57:41We get everything through the first three games. One bad game.
57:45And everybody's like, oh my God, it's over for Parker Washington.
57:48No, go by low right now. He was already in a good spot against the Eagles.
57:52On top of it, no Quinion Mitchell. Parker Washington, huge bounce back, gets in the end zone.
57:57If you get a by low window, it is right now.
58:00Take it and don't look back. Fitz, you are on the inenviable, unenviable, whatever the word is, spot of having to pick a tight end here this week.
58:09Who do you have? He got it last time.
58:11I did get it last time. He did a good job.
58:14I still would prefer not to have to pick one.
58:17But he did a good job last time. Yeah, well, you guys both have Jaguars.
58:22So are we just going to assume that the Jaguars are going to truck the Eagles like 49 to 10 in London?
58:28And I should take Brenton Strange. You should take Brenton Strange for sure.
58:32Yes. That would be so good, actually. I am actually not going to take a Jaguar.
58:36I'm going to go with Harold Fannin, who has three touchdown catches in his last two games.
58:41He's the guy Deshaun Watson looks for when the Browns get into the money zone.
58:46Fannin scores another TD in week five. I do think the Jags are going to truck the Eagles, by the way.
58:52So I wouldn't be surprised if all three of them do end up getting touchdowns.
58:56It wouldn't totally shock me. I thought he was going to go with one of the Lions Cardinals as a layup.
59:02Good in that matchup. Yeah. So our official picks here are Bachel Tutin at running back, Parker Washington at receiver, Harold Fannin Jr.
59:09at tight end. If you think you can nail this week's touchdowns, join our free touchdown calls contest on Pick Sheet.
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59:26Play at picksheet.com slash fantasypros. We'll wrap things up there.
59:29Best of luck, everybody, setting those lineups for week five.
59:32For Jake and Fitz, I'm Ryan Warmly. Thanks for tuning in.
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