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32 Teams. 32 Fantasy Football Facts to BULLY Week 6

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2 hr 34 min
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Oct 14, 2026
Published
Wed, October 14, 2026
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Zay FlowersBo NixC.J. StroudDalton KincaidJames CookJaylen WaddleJeremiyah LoveJosh AllenJustin HerbertKimani VidalMark AndrewsNico CollinsOmarion HamptonBraelon Allen
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Bo Nix

NegativeProjection50:50

Bo Nix is playing the worst football of his career; 58% of Denver's dropbacks feature a route breaking to the intermediate middle of the field (third highest in the league), but Nix throws to those routes on just 11% of those dropbacks (third lowest in the league). He's targeting running backs at the highest rate and is super spread out from a pass distribution standpoint. The open intermediate routes are there, but he's not playing well enough to hit them. This is worse than expected and represents a significant decline from his previous play.

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NegativeInjury52:30

Bo Nix's ankle surgery is affecting his play; he's scrambled only a couple of times this year versus 54 times in 2024 and 34 times in 2025, putting him on pace for just 17 scrambles this season. His clock is sped up due to pressure-to-sack concerns, and he doesn't trust his health, leading to checkdowns and panic mode. He's drifting into sacks on three-man rushes, which never happened previously, indicating he's not comfortable with his current physical state.

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Braelon Allen

PositiveUsage64:03

Allen is sixth in the NFL in missed tackles forced per attempt. He was RB13 in usage last week and two weeks ago the Jets had the fourth-most usage plays in NFL history. If you throw out that outlier game, he's a very real fringe RB1 in fantasy. He's not coming off the field and lowering his shoulder, which is better than a lot of fantasy running backs. For as long as Breece Hall is out, treat Allen as a very serious fantasy running back.

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Breece Hall

NegativeInjury64:03

Hall has missed weeks and it's unclear if he'll play in Week 6. He was mostly the bell cow early in the season. When he returns, there will be a split backfield with Braylon Allen, though there's a pretty different style between the two backs.

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Brenton Strange

PositiveBreakout44:04

Brenton Strange caught 7 of 8 targets last week for a 35% target share and was tackled at the one-yard line twice on those targets; he has TE15 expected points over his last four games. Matt Harmon projects him to reach TE12 range going forward. Strange runs the intermediate over-the-middle routes that define the Liam Cohen offense and is the team's third most important pass catcher after Parker Washington. He's a move tight end who doesn't come off the field and runs routes in the areas the offense wants to attack.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

NegativeRole47:05

Brian Thomas Jr. is playing all three receiver positions but is totally not involved in the offense; his rookie film was good but not as good as his production suggested, and he hasn't gotten back to that level. Matt Harmon questions whether he's actually more valuable to the Jaguars than trading him for a third-round pick, though the team is aggressive and in the AFC driver's seat, making holding him the more aggressive move for a potential playoff run.

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C.J. Stroud

PositiveProjection32:30

Stroud is playing like a top-10 quarterback and should be a top-12 QB in fantasy for the rest of the season. He ranks 2nd in the NFL in catchable air yards (behind only Jared Goff) and has a chance to finish 1st. The Texans' increased neutral pass rate (63% last week) and weak run game (29th in rushing EPA) should funnel more volume to him. Against Jacksonville's elite run defense (1st in rushing EPA allowed), the Texans should lean into spreading the field and letting Stroud 'chuck it around the yard.'

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PositiveProjection38:53

Stroud ranks number two in the NFL in catchable air yards behind only Jared Goff, and Matt Harmon believes there's a chance he could finish number one this year.

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Dalton Kincaid

NegativeRole0:29

Kincaid has been unusable over the last two weeks due to lack of vertical receiving threats in 13 personnel packages; DJ Moore's absence and Keon Coleman's limitations as a receiver mean the Bills cannot effectively run 13 personnel, which was their primary way of activating Kincaid early in the season. Matt Harmon notes the Bills went run-heavy against the Rams by design, and Kincaid was out for a season-high 76% of routes but still produced minimally.

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PositiveProjection5:00

Despite recent struggles, Harmon believes Kincaid will improve rest of season; Joe Brady acknowledged he hasn't given Kincaid enough work and doubled down on that commitment. While Kincaid won't reach top-five tight end heights due to goal-line competition from the Bills' strong run game, Harmon projects him as a potential tight end 8 rest of season, which is well within reasonable outcomes.

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Dalton Schultz

NegativeRole30:53

Schultz is positioned as an off-ball inside receiver in the Texans' three-by-one formations, part of a crowded receiving corps that includes Nico Collins, Marvin Harrison, Jalen Noel, and multiple other options.

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David Montgomery

NegativeInjury32:30

Montgomery suffered an injury that has opened the lead back role for Woody Marks in the Texans offense.

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Denzel Boston

NegativeProjection66:00

Boston is a kick-ass player running as a true X-only receiver; he's on ball 96% of snaps and in the slot only 6%. He gets open and makes contested catches at an elite level. Matt Harmon says he's been unbelievably good, better than expected, and is winning in the exact same way he did in college. He's a home run pick by the Browns. While some analysts like Dwayne McFarlane suggest he's a sell-high candidate due to environment and usage, Harmon is bullish on him and will rocket him up his dynasty rankings. He's WR21 in usage but WR36 in points, suggesting upside. Matchup-wise, the Ravens have allowed big downfield receivers to have big games.

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Derrick Henry

PositiveUsage19:27

Henry has been heavily utilized in screen passing game; already has 8 receptions in Week 6 after averaging 15-19 receptions per season over the last two years (career high 33 in 2022 with Tennessee). The Ravens offense is leaning into his receiving role as a key part of their attack.

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Deshaun Watson

NegativeProjection66:00

Watson is not good and is somewhere between functional and unplayable. He's better than his previous self but still not seeing the middle of the field well and not letting plays develop. He's not throwing all the open slant wins that Denzel Boston is creating. The poorly placed ball to Casey Concepcion was behind him and led to a nasty hit.

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Garrett Wilson

PositiveProjection61:50

Wilson is on pace for 105 catches and 1,271 yards, the best season of his career, despite playing the fewest percentage of snaps in the slot he's ever played. He's playing real deal outside wide receiver and crushing it. He was simply uncoverable on tape against the Browns with breaking routes at an elite level; he had a 93rd percentile success rate versus man coverage last year. Matt Harmon says he's a buy-high type player because he doesn't see this changing unless Geno gets benched.

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Geno Smith

NegativeProjection62:30

Smith is playing fine enough football. Frank Reich is doing enough things right now to get creative with the offense.

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Isaiah Bond

NegativeRole67:30

Bond is nothing more than a splash role player getting the football about three times a game. He's not a significant part of the Browns receiving game.

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Isaiah Davis

NegativeRole65:00

Davis had one of the worst fumbles of the entire season going into halftime and the Jets didn't go back to him a single time after not using him at all on offensive plays through the first four weeks. This was his first time seeing action and it was a bad rep.

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J.K. Dobbins

NegativeInjury50:40

J.K. Dobbins was asked about his health status and played coy, saying 'what's healthy?' suggesting he may not be fully healthy. He was slammed up the gut a few times in recent games without success, and his current form is not working for the Broncos' offense.

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James Cook

NegativeUsage5:45

James Cook has 16 fumbles since the 2023 season, the next closest running back at 12; he had four fumbles in his last five games and nearly lost Monday's game with another fumble. Despite Joe Brady's comment that there must be consequences, Harmon argues Cook is too talented to bench and notes his 1.4 receptions per game (RB38) limits him from graduating to the next tier of running backs.

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NegativeProjection7:00

Despite fumble concerns, Harmon maintains optimism on Cook; he's RB3 in rush yards per game at 106 and will lead the NFL in rushing yards. Harmon argues pro-bowl caliber running backs are rarely benched for fumbles and you have to live with the fumble risk as part of his game; projects him as RB7 rest of season.

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Jaylen Waddle

NegativeUsage54:20

Jalen Waddle has only 5 receptions for 5 yards on screens (averaging just 1 screen per game vs. expected 2 per game) and is 2 of 6 on 15+ air yard throws with only 6 targets more than 15 yards downfield. Bo Nix is throwing the ball 60 yards downfield to worse players than Waddle on huge design rollouts, but Waddle isn't getting those opportunities. He's become an underneath intermediate player without manufactured touches and has 1.3 yards per route, a career low, suggesting efficiency will regress.

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PositiveProjection55:50

Jalen Waddle has dropped more passes than he ever has, and while some come on bad play calls, the real issue is usage: he's not getting the screens and shot plays that Marvin Mims received over the past two years. The Broncos' widespread target tree and Bo Nix's poor play are leaving both layups and shot plays on the field. Matt Harmon expected Waddle to get everything Mims did plus more actual wide receiver work, but instead the screens vanished when Mims and Troy Franklin left.

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Jeremiyah Love

NegativeValue68:30

Love is tough to predict in volume; he's been RB19, RB6, RB42, and RB47 over recent weeks, making him RB26 in points per game overall. However, Matt Harmon says you can buy low on him. In the first half against the Lions, he played 76% of snaps and handled 11 of 12 running back touches, including two-minute drill work. He was subbed out in the second half (24% of snaps, 10% in the fourth quarter) likely due to game script, not injury. Harmon watched all his snaps and thought he looked straight up healthy—jumping around with good film. If someone is dangling him as RB25, that's great value. The risk is that games will continue to get out of hand and he'll be phased out in the second half, but as the season becomes more of a disaster and he gets further from his ankle injury, he should be fine.

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NegativeRole70:00

Love is not involved in the receiving game right now; he had zero receptions this past week and only one the week before. He had five receptions in the awesome performance against the 49ers but only three and two in recent weeks. The Cardinals are projected for only 19.5 points on the road against the Rams (projected for 33), so the same game script issue will likely happen again where he's phased out in the second half. Additionally, Love needs to improve his decisiveness at the hole; he's a little jumpy right now and needs to trust the offensive line more and stop dancing around.

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Jerry Jeudy

NegativeDepth Chart67:30

Judy is barely involved in the offense. Jordan Schultz reported the Browns want a third or fourth round pick for him, which is unlikely to happen. If he were traded, it would open up about a 10% target share for other receivers, though Isaiah Bond is only a splash role player getting the football three times a game.

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Jonah Coleman

PositiveDepth Chart50:10

Jonah Coleman should be stashed everywhere as a handcuff; Sean Payton loved talking about him this offseason. With J.K. Dobbins not working out in his current form, Coleman is positioned to take over the Broncos' backfield when he returns.

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Josh Allen

PositiveProjection4:00

Josh Allen has 47 fancy points over replacement, which would have been second or third best in the second round of drafts behind only Kenneth Walker and Derek Henry. Harmon argues Allen's dominance means he should be the 13th or 14th overall player for the rest of the season, and despite the depth of quarterback talent, Allen's elite play has made draft position irrelevant.

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NegativeValue5:20

Josh Allen was drafted 20th overall this year and Harmon predicts he'll be 20th overall again next summer despite his elite performance, because fantasy analysts keep telling people not to draft him early. Harmon notes that if you were going to break the rule of not drafting quarterbacks early, Josh Allen is the one player worth breaking it for.

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Justin Herbert

NegativeProjection58:09

Herbert is playing really bad football with costly mistakes; he's throwing interceptions right to zone defenders he's staring at. The Chargers dropped to the basement of the NFL in pass rate over expected last week and are 29th in rushing success rate and 25th in yards before contact. Herbert is digging the hole deeper and making the offense worse.

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NegativeProjection58:50

Justin Herbert is throwing interceptions directly to zone defenders he's staring at, with no good reason for the poor decision-making. This contributes to the Chargers' offensive dysfunction alongside the backup offensive line play.

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Keaton Mitchell

NegativeRole58:09

Mitchell is the fun back in the Chargers offense and will limit Omarion Hampton's opportunities. The limited pass protection role for Hampton means Mitchell's involvement is also constrained.

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Keon Coleman

NegativeRole0:36

Keon Coleman faded away in Monday night's game against the Rams; while he scored on a slot touchdown, Harmon notes the play was mostly design-based and Coleman could have been replaced by anyone. Coleman is being used in tight end-type ways rather than as a traditional receiver, which limits the Bills' ability to run effective 13 personnel packages with him as the single receiver.

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Kimani Vidal

NegativeUsage57:30

Kamani Vidal had a 42-yard touchdown run where he broke multiple tackles on the outside and is the Chargers' most trusted pass protector, but he's not fantasy relevant. He was out there for only 3 of 34 dropbacks because Vidal is a much better pass protector than Omarion Hampton and Keaton Mitchell is the fun back.

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NegativeRole58:09

Vidal will eat all the pass protection snaps, limiting Hampton's involvement. While he broke tackles against the Broncos, he looks really slow and won't matter much in fantasy except to reduce Hampton's opportunities.

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Kyren Williams

PositiveUsage8:00

Kyron Williams has 27 receptions through Week 6, on pace to exceed his career high of 36 receptions in a season; he's RB5-6 in points per game. Harmon attributes his elevated passing game usage to the Rams' top-three pace of play in the league, which generates more quick check-down opportunities. Williams' 50% success rate on running back receptions is very high and sticky, especially against high-powered offenses.

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Mark Andrews

NegativeUsage17:00

Mark Andrews had a couple of rough moments in the Ravens' game against the Falcons, especially in the first half, despite Tyler Huntley's otherwise clean performance at backup quarterback.

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NegativeRole20:46

Andrews is described as 'completely washed' with multiple issues: fumbles, dropped passes, multiple punch-outs at catch point, and no yards-after-catch production. His reduced utilization is opening opportunity for other Ravens receivers.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

NegativeRole30:53

Harrison is expected to play starter snaps immediately after the trade to Houston, moving to Z receiver rather than X. The Texans want him in breaking routes and slot work, similar to Jaden Higgins' late-2024 role. Historical data shows mid-season traded WRs typically see production downturn (only 3 of many since 2017 improved: Amari Cooper 9.3→17.9, DeAndre Hopkins 6.4→10.9, Devontae Adams 15→17.7). Harrison's tight-window catch rate was poor in his first two NFL seasons, but limiting speed-based routes and focusing on tight-window throws could help. First matchup is Jacksonville (tough draw overseas).

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Marvin Mims

NegativeUsage56:40

Marvin Mims still has 3 screen targets this year despite the expectation that he would completely go away; he was a key part of Denver's screen game over the past two years, and those screens did not transfer to Jalen Waddle as expected.

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Michael Penix Jr.

NegativeProjection23:42

Penix is 1-of-16 when pressured this season (only qualified QB under 30% completion rate per ESPN), with poor EPA for drop-back under pressure (worst in NFL). He struggles over the middle, lacks mobility, and cannot throw sidearm or angle throws over defenders. He needs perfect situations (ahead on scoreboard, play-action, under center) to be effective; when pressured or in negative game flow, he becomes unreliable. Playing with a rib injury next week adds injury concern.

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Nico Collins

PositiveRole29:00

Collins is being used as the primary X receiver (83% on-line-of-scrimmage snaps over last two games, 17% off-ball, 14% slot rate), not as a sacrificial receiver. He's averaging 2.2 yards per route run, which is elite production. The Texans view him as their X receiver and want to keep him there, with Marvin Harrison moving to Z receiver instead. Collins could be a low-end WR1 rather than top-5 due to Harrison's arrival, but his role remains secure.

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NegativeRole38:53

Nico Collins expressed frustration on Twitter about his contract situation; the Texans gave him only a raise rather than a contract extension, which Matt Harmon suggests may be related to injury concerns and could explain the team's hesitation to commit long-term.

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Omarion Hampton

NegativeRole58:09

Hampton is in a very bad spot for fantasy; he was out there for only 3 of 34 dropbacks because Vidal is a much better pass protector and Keaton Mitchell is the fun back. The offensive line is starting backups at both tackle spots. Matt Harmon projects Hampton for zero or one catch per game, which will also limit Keaton Mitchell.

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NegativeRole58:20

Omarion Hampton is in a very bad spot; he's the goal-line back but was out there for only 3 of 34 dropbacks because Kamani Vidal is a much better pass protector and Keaton Mitchell is the fun back. The Chargers' offensive line is starting backups at both tackle spots, and the overall dysfunction limits his fantasy relevance.

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Parker Washington

PositiveRole46:00

Parker Washington is far and away the most important pass catcher on the Jaguars offense; when the team drops back 39 times (vs. 24 in previous games), he gets fed the football because he's elite at his job. He had a great game last week and any concerns about one-catch games should be dismissed.

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Puka Nacua

NegativeProjection9:00

Puka Nakua had 24 targets in Monday night's game, demonstrating his elite role in the Rams offense; Harmon ranks him as his wide receiver 1 every single week. Nakua is differentiated by his combination of elite technique, physicality, and power—he runs quick outs and slants but also has explosive breakout routes. Harmon notes Nakua's pre-hernia status is a concern but was tested extensively in Monday's game without issue.

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Rashod Bateman

PositiveRole21:00

Bateman is playing significantly more slot snaps (26% in recent games) compared to his previous three seasons (9.8%, 7.7%, 9.7%) and 2022 (10%), marking a major role shift. He's being used on more crossing and breaking routes off motion and executing assignments well, though he's still a pure perimeter receiver being stretched vertically. With Jacoby Lane returning, Bateman could see reduced vertical route volume but remains relevant as the offense improves.

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Terrance Ferguson

NegativeInjury14:00

Terrence Ferguson is on injured reserve, which has opened up TE5-6 usage for Tyler Higbee in the Rams offense. Ferguson would have been a sure-hit draft pick had he remained healthy.

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Tim Patrick

NegativeUsage62:30

Patrick is out there running wind sprints for 100% of snaps but getting zero targets. The ball is being bundled to Garrett Wilson instead.

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Tyler Higbee

PositiveProjection14:00

Tyler Higbee has scored 7, 15, and 10 points over the last three weeks and is in the flex conversation; he's TE5-6 in usage over the past three weeks with Terrence Ferguson on injured reserve. Harmon notes Higbee had a couple of intermediate explosive plays on Monday and is a good after-the-catch player with physical brand. With the Rams projected for almost 30 points per game, Higbee should continue to see consistent opportunities.

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Tyler Huntley

PositiveProjection17:00

Tyler Huntley had a clean performance as the Ravens' backup quarterback with a 78% completion rate when receivers had motion on the play (14 of 18); the offense looked smooth and comfortable with him under center. Despite some rough moments from pass catchers like Mark Andrews and Zay Flowers' drop, Huntley kept the offense on track.

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Woody Marks

PositiveRole32:30

Marks is the lead ball carrier for the Texans following David Montgomery's injury and should be started in flex positions. He's also being used as a check-down option and receiving screens, fitting the Texans' increased neutral pass rate (63% last week, season high). The Jaguars allow 63 rushing yards per game (worst in league) and rank 29th in rushing EPA allowed, creating a favorable matchup for Marks despite the Texans' weak run blocking.

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Xavier Hutchinson

NegativeRole29:00

Hutchinson is taking snaps in the Texans offense that could otherwise go to top receivers. His involvement at 50%+ of snaps alongside Kayshawn Booty could limit fantasy upside for Nico Collins and Marvin Harrison if the team doesn't condense to two-WR sets.

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Zay Flowers

PositiveRole16:00

Zay Flowers is the number one player on a per-snap basis for the Ravens with backup quarterback Tyler Huntley; Declan Doyle manufactured touches for Flowers through end-arounds, toss plays, and man-coverage slot snaps where Flowers hides behind other receivers to cut inside for big plays. Flowers is WR6 on a per-game basis, though two of those games were partial contests and one was with Tyler Huntley.

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NegativeProjection18:00

Zay Flowers had a drop in the Ravens' game against the Falcons, showing imperfect execution even in a strong performance by backup Tyler Huntley. Flowers' wide receiver 15-17 price tag in fantasy drafts should pay off regardless due to his high-volume role and touchdown upside.

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PositiveProjection19:58

Flowers' fantasy value is highly touchdown-dependent; he's currently WR6 despite being drafted as WR15-17, with weekly rankings swinging from top-6 (touchdown weeks) to WR22-23 (non-touchdown weeks). If he reaches career-high or near 7-9 touchdowns and scores in half the weeks, he'll consistently produce top-6/7 weekly performances, aligning with preseason expectations.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Oh yes, welcome to Week 6 Stats vs Film where we take everything that happened this past Sunday on the field watching
0:06every single game and compare that to the spreadsheets to the underlying metrics and to the data to help you bully your
0:13league mates and your friends in your matchups this weekend.
0:16And as always, this show is presented by Farmers Insurance.
0:18Boys, let's get the start. Hayden Winks and Matt Harmon joining us every single time.
0:23And we kick things off. With the primetime games that we haven't discussed yet and Monday Night Football, the winning Buffalo Bills here.
0:29Matt, I saw you have a very cordial and good conversation with our friend of the show, Jacob Sanderson, about what the
0:36heck is happening to Dalton Kincaid at this moment because over the last two weeks has been completely unusable.
0:41So the people out there want to know when will Dalton Kincaid be usable again?
0:45It's a good question. Jacob's theory, which I think does make sense is that you do need like more of a man
0:52beating vertical presence to have the 13 personnel stuff really be activated.
0:55Well, and that's obviously been an issue these last few weeks with DJ more in and out of the lineup and not playing on Monday night.
1:03And I mean, I even get I engage with it because I think that makes complete sense.
1:07Like this follows with my priors where like I think the 13 personnel thing we talked about.
1:12Talked about in the offseason. Maybe not we the three of us, but the royal we talked about is like you just
1:19pushed the 13 personnel button and you start to get efficient offense.
1:22But that's not how it works. Because usually you're bringing your three slowest players onto the field to try to create vertical
1:28shot plays, which works if Dalton Kincaid obviously is operating as one of those vertical guys.
1:33But when the single receiver you're bringing in there is Keon Coleman, it just doesn't make a ton of sense to run
1:39the 13 personnel because he's also a guy that, you know, he faded away last night.
1:44I know he had the slot touchdown there, which was mostly the design of the play is why he was able to get open and everything.
1:51I said to Hayden on our recap show. Hayden could have run that route and scored a touchdown for Keon Coleman's play there.
1:58But I mean, you got some burst to you.
2:01So, you know, there is that. But I mean, Keon Coleman is the guy they'd almost been using in some tight end type of ways.
2:08So you can't really get that 13 personnel going when it's Keon Coleman is the single receiver, even Josh Palmer, not available for them last night.
2:15So I think that's part of the reason why Kincaid has faded away here.
2:19After the first two weeks, they were using a ton of 13 and they were having some real effectiveness out of it.
2:26I will say with Kincaid, the Bills offense went super run heavy.
2:29And I think that's by design against the Rams defense that, you know, is kind of allowing that to happen.
2:35They had a lot of success. And then when they were dropping back to pass, Josh Allen has a career high in scramble yards.
2:42And that was obviously very effective. So I think part of it was just like whatever is working is working.
2:47The Rams have been very good against fantasy tight ends this season.
2:51And on top of that, he was out there for a season high 76% routes as Daigle mentioned on the screen right there.
2:57He did have the two point conversion. So I don't want to defend Dalton Kincaid.
3:02I think that I got maybe a little bit too optimistic early on in the season, but I think that he's gonna
3:08be better than his last couple results here. And even again today, Joe Brady, I know he said this last week, but
3:14he kind of doubled down on it. It's like I've not gotten Dalton Kincaid enough work.
3:19Josh Allen also knows that as well. He's not going to get as much screen stuff.
3:24He's there's a lot more competition, especially at the goal line for Kincaid because of how good their run game is.
3:30So he's not going to reach the heights of like a top five fantasy tight end, but like rest of season, like
3:36could he be the tight end eight? I think that's like still well within the range of outcomes.
3:41So you're basically saying that Joe Brady squeaky wheel, the squeaky wheel.
3:45So we can expect a 29.5 team total for the Buffalo Bills and everyone gets going there.
3:49Yeah, I mean, one note, and I can't tell you exactly every single coverage that the Rams ran against the Bills, but
3:56just overall for the season, the Rams are by far and away the highest rate in terms of dime personnel with 38.2%.
4:02And the goal of 13 personnel is to get base on the field and then you beat them with, you know, your
4:08athletic receiving tight end against the linebackers and stuff.
4:11So if they keep more and more DBs, it's just not going to be as effective out there.
4:16Hey, and I wanted to get the fantasy question out there first before we talk about what Josh Allen did here, because
4:23if you just put on a page, the throws and lack thereof and production to wide receivers.
4:27I would then have concluded that the Rams would have easily won this contest, but it goes to show that in these
4:34moments that these two things like don't go together.
4:36Josh Allen can just put the team on his back and like carry them in moments just with this pure athleticism in
4:43ways that I would say no other quarterback can do in the league.
4:46Maybe ever. Understanding that he can just shake Nate Landman and be hands of off to James Cook.
4:52The ball is going to get punched out and he's just going to have to go superhero.
4:56And right now he's got 47 fancy points over replacement.
4:59That would have been second best or the third best in the second round of drafts only behind Kenneth Walker and Derek Henry.
5:06So this like fancy points are a replacement argument that we've been using against quarterbacks.
5:10Josh Allen has been so dominant that even with the depth of quarterback, it has not mattered.
5:15And that he probably should be like the 13th or 14th overall player for the rest of the season.
5:21Matt, can I ask you this question? This is very early, but I'll be it.
5:25We're almost close to a third of the way done with the entire season.
5:29Prediction time. Where do you think Josh Allen's draft spot is going to be on Yahoo next summer?
5:34It's like 20th overall this year. Yeah. I feel like it'll be 20th overall again.
5:38This is fantasy nerds. It's not because the people, the people want to draft them.
5:43The nerds keep telling them to not. And we're wrong.
5:46Correct. Yeah. I mean, I think we did all agree, though, if you were going to break the rules for one player, it would be Josh Allen.
5:53Like I know in my tears, he was in a tear by himself.
5:57So if you want to break, I'm not I'm never going to be the one to talk you out of Josh Allen.
6:03Essentially, if you want to go early quarterback, it's kind of that next grouping, you know, where you can basically get Joe Burrow's production from Kirk Cousins.
6:11And that has held up this year, surprisingly enough.
6:14Not a thing I thought I'd be saying here on October 13th.
6:17Yeah. Very fair. The second most rushing yards in a game and Josh Allen's career and also his first career win in
6:23overtime just by the look on his face afterwards.
6:26It kind of felt like truly a monkey went off his back, like just some alleviation of the stress that have been in these moments before.
6:33And it never went my direction. And then, yeah, Harmon, when the field goal went up and it was blocked, I'm sure
6:40he's like, OK, finally, this can actually go in my direction here.
6:43I mean, they had to change the overtime rules for him.
6:46Right. So, you know, this is true. This is true.
6:49James Cook, four fumbles in his last five games.
6:52I actually wrote in my notes he loses the game.
6:55It ultimately did not lose the game. Hey, and I'm sure you saw the quote today from Joe Brady that at some point there has to be consequences.
7:03Ty Johnson went out there and had multiple explosive receptions.
7:06Ray Davis had a nice kickoff return and another run on top of it.
7:10James Cook, like you're saying, has 16 fumbles since the 2023 season.
7:13The next closest running back is at 12. What does this do to shake or unwaver our optimism and our concreteness of
7:19what James Cook can do for the rest of the season?
7:23How many times ever has a pro bowl caliber running back been benched for fumbles?
7:27Like, I don't recall that ever happening. So he's way too good.
7:30You live with it. It's part of his game.
7:33And then he's also going to be right up there in leading the NFL and rush yards.
7:38Right now he's the RB three and rush yards per game at 106.
7:42So you got to live with the results. I will say the one note I had for James Cook is 1.4 receptions per game, RB 38.
7:49So that was just the one reason why he's not going to graduate to that next tier.
7:54He's going to be the RB seven or whatever he is for the rest of the season.
7:59I think that's, you know, totally fine. Yeah, I did notice that Spencer Brown left this game prior to that.
8:05I believe the Bills entire offensive line had played together for 280 straight snaps, which is not the case across the league.
8:11As we see with, you know, third, fourth, fifth string at certain positions getting caught up in the starting spot.
8:17So the Bills will actually have to go through some change along their offensive line here.
8:21OK, let's talk about their opponents, Matt, in the L.A.
8:24Rams. Let's start with the good. But Kyron Williams has 27 receptions.
8:27He's never recorded more than 36 in a season so far.
8:31This is why, well, part of it that he's, you know, the running back, what, five or six in points per game on the season so far?
8:38Just a spectacular season from Kyron, who's kind of leveled up his game this year.
8:43Yeah, and you would have thought or at least you could tell yourself a story that some of the passing game usage
8:49for him was because Puka Nakua is not out there playing.
8:52He was averaging 4.04 air yards per target coming into the game on Monday night.
8:56He doesn't leave with a ton of air yards, 0.13 air yards per target.
9:01But still, it's a ton of the same like angle routes out of the backfield.
9:05That was still present while also Puka Nakua gets 24 targets in a freaking football game, which is absolutely outrageous.
9:11Not even the first time in his career, by the way, that he's had 20 plus targets.
9:15One of the first games of his NFL career in 2023 against the 49ers, he had 20 targets.
9:21So the guy gets a lot of looks. Obviously, Kyron Williams does too.
9:24Like this is a big part of the passing game for them this year, kind of baking in some more of those layups for Matthew Stafford.
9:32I don't know like what the theory is for this.
9:35I think the biggest thing you could probably say is their pace of play is way up this year.
9:40They're one of the top three teams in my pace score because they're just getting out there running really quick.
9:46That's a big part of just keeping that out there.
9:49So I think that's a big deal of why Kyron Williams has remained on the field a ton.
9:54In addition to the fact that he's so trusted, like he's a guy, Hayden, to your point that he fumbles all the time.
10:01And Sean McVay couldn't care less. He continues to roll him out there.
10:04It doesn't matter. Outside, which is crazy. Outside of fumbles, doesn't make a lot of mistakes, hits the holes and is where
10:11he needs to be from a fast game standpoint.
10:13So, yeah, this is definitely sticky to me at this point, especially if they're going to continue to push the fast pace buttons.
10:20I feel like a lot of those are first read kind of targets.
10:24These are like, to me, check down. There's a lot of angle routes, like quick outs and whatnot, sometimes in the slots.
10:30I think like that's part of the game plan.
10:32By the way, it has a 50% success rate, which is really high for like running back receptions, which typically are like,
10:39you know, the last part of the play. All of his are working.
10:42I think it's going to be pretty sticky, especially against, you know, high powered offenses, which they faced a couple of them so far.
10:49The 49ers game, obviously, last night's. All that we needed was, you know, Mike LaFleur to leave the staff or, you know,
10:56running back to get receptions and targets. And then, you know, Mike LaFleur's running backs don't get receptions and targets.
11:01There's little tease for, you know, a topic later on.
11:04Matt, you brought up Puka Nakua, 24 targets. It's you chart wide receivers every day of the week, every week of the year.
11:11What makes Pukunakua different? Like, why is he the one that plays the styling of game like this in the league and
11:17really no one else can match him in this in this regard?
11:21Yeah, I think he's so different than most other receivers, whereas JSN, he is an elite technician, but is so smooth.
11:27And just the body control that he has is different.
11:30The flexibility, like the angles at which JSN can get his ankles and hips and stuff is just like he'll just create massive amounts of separation.
11:37Pukunakua plays with way more power than these guys, but also there's so many times where he is clearly right and tight on the details, too.
11:45So I think he's one of the best technicians in the NFL, especially at the top of this round.
11:50Now, again, he does it with way more physicality than some of these other players.
11:54But I mean, just look at the route chart on the screen here.
11:58He runs all of these quick quick outs, quick slants.
12:01But then he also has these big outbreak. I could not believe that the Bills defense took the cheese on the little
12:07Tyler Higby sit route in cover, too. And Pukunakua is just wide open in an overtime drive on an out cut.
12:13It's it's embarrassing. The Bills defense is really off to a brutal start.
12:17We'll see how it goes there. But yeah, the other part of this, too, is he's just so physical and gifted after the catch.
12:24I don't know if we're totally seeing that right now with the pre hernia, whatever that means for Pukunakua.
12:29But that's another thing where he's this he's this monster power player that you can do the designer touches to where you're
12:36not doing that for guys like Devontae Adams and some of these other players.
12:40I will rank him as my wide receiver one every single week.
12:43And then if the pre hernia story becomes a big one, then we'll just live with the consequences.
12:48But I think he's like on another level versus every other fancy wide receiver.
12:52I feel like if the pre hernia was going to turn into a hernia and look, it might at some point.
12:58But last night was the time to do it here, buddy.
13:01And including like the the diving attempted grab right before halftime where he totally stretches out his body, like lays out for a catch.
13:08And then every single hit is not like some soft collision where he goes to the ground or gets out of bounds.
13:15He it's a car crash every single time. So, I mean, it was certainly tested last night.
13:20That's for sure. Hey, now I want to ask you about another pass catcher on this team.
13:24Typically, we only talk about, you know, Pukudakua and Devontae Adams, which, by the way, Adams continues to make all of his
13:31points and production and money in the red zone with one of the best, you know, short field, condensed field players of all time.
13:38Tyler Higby Hayden, the tight end 7, 15 and 10 over the last three weeks.
13:42Is Tyler Higby in the flex conversation for us right now?
13:45I think he's in the Terrence Ferguson role, which is frustrating if you were drafting Terrence Ferguson, because I think he would have been a for sure hit.
13:53He's the tight end 5 on tight end 6 usage over the past three weeks with Ferguson on injured reserve.
13:59A couple like intermediate explosives on Monday Night Football.
14:01He's a good after the catch. He can play a physical brand as well.
14:06So, you know, if this team is going to continue to be number one in pass attempts per game, then it's very easy for Higby to get there.
14:14I would say that there was a couple of really wonky games like they were chasing with the Eagles two weeks ago.
14:20Last night's game was obviously a crazy one. Not every game is going to be as, you know, high flying as the
14:26last couple have been, especially in the second half of the game.
14:30So that would be my one layer to kind of keep in the back of your mind.
14:35But at the same time, you know, you want the team that's projected for almost 30 points.
14:39Yeah, it's part of the plan. Third and tight end usage is amazing.
14:43And again, Titans have been incredible this year. Matt, that's 16.2, 9.2 and 10.8 points over the last three games.
14:49And I think he left week one or that's when, you know, T-Ferg was eligible and all that type of stuff.
14:55And they lost 27 to 7 and then missed the next game.
14:58So, yeah, I mean, when Higby has been on the field, he's been an important focal point of this offense.
15:04Matt, just some closing notes here on the Rams.
15:07Alaric Jackson for punching Bradley Chubb is going to be suspended for two games.
15:11And then the same special teams is the worst in the NFL.
15:14For five straight seasons. But it has to drive Sean McVay insane that he, you know, does a great job in terms
15:20of preparing the two critical and core pieces of a team.
15:24But then like special teams, which is an afterthought for so many of us as, you know, casual observers of this straight up lose him contest.
15:31But in the end, Matt, he should also be responsible for this because this has been, again, five years in a row at this point.
15:38Hey, he's head coach of the football team. We do this way too often where it's like, well, Sean McVay runs the
15:45off head coach of the football team. Buck stops with you.
15:48So, yeah, if it's bothering him, maybe do something about it.
15:51They did cut me this and they brought Blake Groupie in today.
15:54So they're going to do that. That'll fix it.
15:57That'll fix it with the kicker. We'll see. But an 80 pound difference between the two kickers.
16:02Okay. Be nice. Be nice. No, no, no, no, no, no.
16:05I'm just saying like typically I think with wide receivers, like we have the biggest discrepancy between, you know, the biggest and the smallest.
16:12We talk about the two two outwells and the DK Metcalfs.
16:15I mean, now we have it at kicker too with Harrison Meeveson.
16:18And are you going to start a subscription service where you chart kicker weight?
16:23Is that going to be part of the premium feed here?
16:26No, no, no. Hayden has the kicker corner as we know.
16:29I'll give you one chart a week. That's as far as I'll go.
16:33One chart a week. Okay. As everyone knows, we go through the top 10 headline teams at the start of this episode and we go in alphabetical order.
16:41So that brings us to Sunday night football. We have to go to the winning team in the Baltimore Ravens.
16:46Hayden, my number one point is just Declan Doyle has the stuff like with the backup quarterback out there.
16:52Just the way he is able to manufacture touches to Zay Flowers that we got the end around early than a toss play to him.
16:59But then build on top of that based on the Atlanta Falcons reaction to it, that they were in the action to
17:05save flowers in the same opposite direction. A screen to Derek Henry that went for a touchdown.
17:10I will always say that. We get to see what a play caller is truly made of when the backup quarterback goes in there.
17:17And again, Declan Doyle passed the test. And on top of that, you have your first round guard playing center for another one of these games.
17:25And I thought he was excellent as well. So it wasn't even just the backup quarterback.
17:29This is like the third, fourth string center that they wanted to do.
17:33And they were not repping this throughout training camp.
17:35So super impressive. I liked what Declan Doyle did specifically with Zay Flowers.
17:39He's always going to get screens. I'm not going to give him a bunch of credit for calling a screen.
17:45But there was other some like some like man coverage slot snaps where like the other wide receiver was kind of like not exactly a rub route.
17:53But Zay Flowers kind of hiding behind them to cut inside for a big play as well.
17:58So there's just a lot of like little things at snap motion targets for him.
18:02So, yeah, he's the number one player on a per snap basis.
18:05We have not seen him in Lamar Jackson in a normal game with both of them healthy.
18:10So I cannot wait for that. But he's even with all that, he's the wide receiver six on a per game basis.
18:17And two of those games were partial contests. And last game, that was obviously with Tyler Huntley.
18:21Yeah, we've we've seen him play, you know, in other offenses before.
18:25I think that's the cleanest it's looked for Huntley ever.
18:2878 percent completion rate when receivers when just there was any motion on the play.
18:3214 of 18. It just looked really smooth, really comfortable for him.
18:35And it wasn't totally clean for some of the pass catchers, too.
18:39I mean, Zay Flowers had a drop in this game.
18:42Obviously, Mark Andrews had a couple of rough moments, especially in the first half.
18:46So this was not just like, oh, everything worked out perfectly for Huntley.
18:50And he still had a really nice performance here.
18:52I thought just kept the train on the tracks.
18:55In addition to the fact, like mentioned the screens for Zay Flowers, I will give Declan Doyle credit that he is.
19:01Because I think the first play caller in Derrick Henry's career who's just fought what I've been thinking about since I saw
19:07the dude in the NFL preseason is like, hmm, that guy's bigger than everybody else and faster than almost everybody.
19:13What if we just threw him a screen a couple of times a game and kind of see what happens?
19:19I mean, we're seeing what happened here. He scored the touchdown, obviously, against the Falcons.
19:23And then once you get into overtime, it's a smaller kind of faster defense in Atlanta.
19:27They just could not handle Derrick Henry. So, yeah, I mean, he's going to be doing this, I guess, until the end of time.
19:34It's awesome to watch my close personal friend, Derrick Henry, get the screen usage from Declan Doyle.
19:39Derrick Henry's season best, I think, is 33 receptions.
19:42That was back in, you know, the Tennessee Titan days back in 2022.
19:46But, Matt, like you said, over the last two seasons, 19 and 15 receptions, he already has eight of them here today.
19:52And, you know, our conversation around Zay Flowers stemmed from, hey, is he going to score more touchdowns this year?
19:58Like, no matter what, he was going to kind of pay off.
20:01I thought the wide receiver 15, 16, 17 price tag, whatever he was associated with in your fantasy drafts out there.
20:07Like you guys are saying, he's the wide receiver six at this point.
20:11And it's all because the week he scores a touchdown, he vaults into top six at the position, right?
20:16He scores. That's wide receiver five. Week two, he doesn't, but that's wide receiver 23.
20:21Week three, he scores. Actually, week four, he scores.
20:23That is wide receiver six. And this past week, he doesn't.
20:26And that's wide receiver 22. So if we mix in just like, you know, a career high in touchdowns or get close
20:33to seven, eight, nine of them, and just half of the weeks, we get a top six, top seven week out of
20:39Zay Flowers, that totally changes the conversation and perfectly lines up with Hayden, our expectations or hopes of what Zay Flowers could have been this season.
20:46I will say it's very helpful that Mark Andrews is like, you know, completely washed.
20:51It wasn't just the, you know, the fumble, like you're dropping passes.
20:54There's multiple punch outs at the catch point on top of that.
20:58He doesn't have any yards after the catch juice.
21:00I only brought that up because I think there's a chance that Rashad Bateman could have some relevance in fantasy during these bye weeks and injuries and whatnot.
21:08I think he's playing a little bit better. Mark Andrews, not quite as utilized.
21:12And Lamar Jackson was looking like the MVP before his injury.
21:15So if we can kind of get everything going here, I can squint and see Rashad Bateman like being the wide receiver
21:2236 or so in rankings, even if Zay Flowers is going to be a top 10 guy.
21:27Ah, man, here we go. The big side. Here we go.
21:30But look, I mean, in addition to the fact that, yeah, I do think he's playing better.
21:35He's playing in the slot way more than he ever has in his NFL career.
21:39And that's that's a Declan Doyle thing to 26 percent snaps in the slot for Rashad Bateman.
21:44You know, his previous three seasons, it's nine point eight, seven point seven, nine point seven.
21:48If we want to go back to 2022, 10 percent.
21:51I mean, he's been like this pure perimeter receiver.
21:54And look, obviously, I got Rashad Bateman wrong as a first round player.
21:58And what what I hoped him to become in the league, I do think he kind of got screwed by injuries early on.
22:04But even still, in the best case scenario for Bateman, I never imagined he to be this kind of like vertical stretch X.
22:11And that's the way he's been used just because the other players in the roster, they're getting him on a lot more
22:17of these like crossing and breaking routes off motion.
22:20And he's executing this assignment. And this still is a team that's going to get Jacoby Lane back here in the next few weeks.
22:27It sounds like based on Declan Doyle. So that's a guy that you can stick on the perimeter and kind of have
22:33him take some of those vertical stretch routes. So I can tell myself a story where if Bateman keeps playing well, Zay
22:39is Zay doesn't even really matter what Mark Andrews is like.
22:42This can still be an offense that's on the upturn.
22:45Yeah. And if all the names on the waiver wire are gone in your league, I do think Jacoby Lane is a
22:52name to keep in mind, because in the one half that he has played so far in the NFL, he got three
22:58red zone targets, including two end zone targets. And that's just a styling of a player that, you know, the Ravens don't have a second piece like that.
23:06So I think Jacoby Lane that that was a massive role that he was going to have the season and, you know,
23:12touchdown or bust kind of with Jacoby Lane. All right.
23:15Let's talk about the Atlanta Falcons, their opponents. Look, we saw against the Packers.
23:19We saw against the Saints how good this offense can be.
23:22The offensive line is very good. The running backs are incredible as a tandem.
23:26But we also spoke about maybe some chinks in the armor.
23:30And I think they showed up here in this game against the Ravens.
23:33Like Michael Penix's first start combined one quarterback hit and one sack.
23:37And then here against the Ravens, four quarterback hits and three sacks, which also forced him out of the game just on seven hits.
23:44Mark Ramondi pointed out that Michael Penix is one of 16 when pressured the season.
23:48The only qualified quarterback under 30 percent, according to ESPN.
23:51So, Hayden, what were your thoughts when watching Penix back here?
23:54Yeah, he has a live arm. And then when he's throwing the ball on the money, he can make all these perimeter throws.
24:01And those are very valuable throws. And then he doesn't really work over the middle.
24:05That's been something that goes back to his college and then under pressure because he's so immobile.
24:10And I think that sometimes he kind of spray the ball.
24:13Then all of a sudden his EPA for drop back becomes the worst in the NFL while under pressure.
24:18So I think there is sometimes where because they were chasing in this game or they were trying to figure out exactly
24:25what kind of play action offense they want to be.
24:28They would kind of get him on some of these bootlegs and all of a sudden there would be somebody in his face.
24:34And then the ball just wouldn't get out on time.
24:37There'd be some times where he'd go off and try to scramble for a second.
24:41Like he just can't do that. It's like you saw the very clear limitations when this team's ahead of the scoreboard.
24:47He can put up some crazy numbers. And then I think there is going to be some pretty bad moments if he's in pure drop back situations.
24:55And at least some of these sideline throws aren't going right on the money.
24:59So I think, you know, looking right over the middle where he has very few completions, like he has to get better at that.
25:06I think they're going to try to figure out exactly what type of play action offense they're going to build around him.
25:12And then him playing with this rib injury next week.
25:15I'm assuming he's going to get an injection and be totally fine.
25:19But, you know, like he doesn't want to take too many hits because all of his injuries and I totally get that.
25:25Yeah. And the offensive efficiency stats that I collect, they've been the 26th by week, 26, 32nd, 2nd, 1st, and 17th ranked offense in a given week.
25:33That feels right. Like 17th somewhere around there is where I'd probably expect them to be on like a base case scenario.
25:39They're not going to be as bad as they were in the first two weeks.
25:43But you're right that in perfect situations, I think Penix can absolutely just he can get under center and has had more
25:50movement ability in that regard than I probably would have expected coming off the injuries.
25:54And he can just get back there and in positive down and distance situations, launch it.
25:59Even including some breakers over the middle. He in the in the right environments.
26:03He can absolutely launch it. The problem is, and this is why you can only I think get so high on him
26:09as a prospect is he's not the most like I don't know exactly what way to say, but he's not the most like flexible thrower.
26:16He's not the most creative thrower with some of the angles.
26:19And you felt that with guys like in his face on in the Ravens tape that he just couldn't quite like angle
26:26it over a defensive lineman or kind of throw it sidearm.
26:29He needs to absolutely be on the platform and just, you know, kind of like a like a damn cannon, you know,
26:35just just launch that thing at that point. So he needs the right situations.
26:39And when he when he gets those, he can be a really effective quarterback for the offense that they want to be.
26:45But I think when they get into trouble, that's when it's going to be kind of difficult.
26:50This Ravens pass rush. I think Mike Green had some good reps in this one.
26:55But overall, they're not one of the most ferocious units in the NFL.
26:58Yeah, yeah. No, Trey Hendrickson. Yeah, they were struggling to get off the field on third and long situations until the end of the game.
27:06And that kind of swung it back in their favor when they were finally able to do that.
27:11Hayden, we have, you know, running back rankings on Wednesday, then wide receiver rankings on Friday.
27:15So we're going to talk about this matchup a lot.
27:18But it's a fascinating one because it's at home.
27:21But against the Chicago Bears, the Falcons are three point underdogs here at home.
27:25Still a team total over 23 points. And we know the Bears won't have Montez sweat unless some type of delayed suspension happens.
27:31And that's their best edge rusher. So it's going to be a fascinating one that if they can stay in neutral or
27:38ahead of the scoreboard and the game flow, as you talk about.
27:41But if not, then it kind of is going to have to be Michael Pinnock's against a Dennis Allen coach defense here.
27:47I was not impressed with the Bears defense last week against the Packers.
27:51That included the ground game and how much space that really bad Packers offensive line was generating.
27:56We'll talk about them in a little bit. But I think, you know, the Bears feisty man coverage defense from earlier this season.
28:03I think we're going to look back and be like, that was a fun stretch in September.
28:08And then they were who we thought they were.
28:10Maybe Kyler Gordon coming back is going to help that out.
28:13But, you know, the top two outside corners are, you know, that's they've been struggling.
28:18They have been struggling. OK, there's the four primetime teams.
28:21We have six more in the top 10 and we'll hear from them right after this.
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28:49And today's team is the Houston Texans because they made a trade, as everyone knows.
28:53We've already discussed, but we're going to do it again because I know you guys had a couple of nights of sleep
29:00to really think about your full evaluations of what Marvin Harrison Jr.
29:03is going to look like here on the Houston Texans.
29:06And I think there's been some like great stats that have been thrown out there in the last couple of days.
29:12Like Matt, we got one from Brett Coleman who mentioned, you know, Nico Collins yards per route run on the ball versus off the ball.
29:19And no surprise, that's at 4.1 off the ball versus 2.2 on.
29:23I don't know what the sample size here, Matt is, but I guess my question is simple one is Marv just going
29:29to be a sacrificial X plus a couple extra targets.
29:32And Nico Collins is the one that's going to be able to be moved around here.
29:36Yeah, I responded to that and I was asking whether Brett was like how sure of that he was or if it
29:43wasn't just going to be the inverse here. Cause based on my understanding of the way the Texans view the situation and
29:49I could be totally wrong about this and they could have changed their minds.
29:53They see Nico Collins as an X and they want him to be the X receiver and they only want him to play X.
30:00They don't want him. They want him to play Z a little bit and move around for sure.
30:05But even in the last two games and by the way, they have a sacrificial X receiver on the roster.
30:11They have Kayshawn Booty to do that if they wanted to.
30:14So I've charted the last two games for Nico Collins.
30:17He's been off ball on 17%. He's been on the line of scrimmage on 83% of his snaps, which is definitely a
30:23little bit lower than we've seen previously. But it's still mostly pure X receiver stuff.
30:2714% slot rate over the last two games for Nico Collins.
30:31And by the way, like 2.2 yards per route run is awesome.
30:34Like it's not as if it was, oh God, we got to get him.
30:38We got to get him off the X. Like he's one of the best X is in the league.
30:44So I actually, I would be pretty surprised if this turns into a situation where Harrison is playing anywhere close to the
30:50amount of snaps outside on ball than he was as the Arizona Cardinals receiver.
30:54Because they kind of drafted Jaden Higgins to be like, I think there are times last year where they'd have Higgins and
31:00Nico both as outside on ball receivers. And even in this past week's game, they had that where Nico's the isolated X
31:07and then Kayshawn Booty's outside on ball and in a three by one, then Noel and Dalton Schultz are off ball inside.
31:13I think we'll see some of that. But for the most part, I think it'll be Nico's the X, Harrison's the Z,
31:19and Jalen Noel, who's been kicking ass the last couple games.
31:22He will be the slot receiver. I'm on team Matt as well.
31:26I think Nico Collins could obviously handle the X receiver stuff.
31:29I think the Marvin Harrison experiment at X receiver didn't work, and I want more in breaking routes.
31:34And I think that's exactly what they're trying to get is the Jaden Higgins production from late last year.
31:40So I think that's better suited for Marvin Harrison.
31:42And then I think that Nico Collins obviously could do his thing probably more as like a low end wide receiver one
31:48than the top five guy that he could have been if it was just himself out there.
31:53But my big picture takeaway for the Texans is last week they had a season high and neutral pass rate at 63%.
32:00And I think they should double down on that, especially after the David Montgomery injury, like lean into what Woody Marks is
32:06best as, you know, a check down option. A couple of nice screens from Woody Marks there.
32:11The pass protection is going to be a little bit better than their run blocking, in my opinion.
32:16And I just trust CJ Stroud a whole lot more than whatever they're going to do running the ball.
32:21So like whether it's X, Z, all that type of stuff, I think we're just going to see a new look Texans offense, period.
32:28And I think that CJ Stroud is playing like a top 10 quarterback and can deliver it where I think that Marvin
32:35might not be an every week fantasy wide receiver.
32:37But I think he has a way better chance of being that in this offense than the one of the Texans merely
32:44because there's not a, you know, training pride on this team.
32:47Yeah, and I would expect Marv to come in and play starter snaps immediately.
32:51I mean, I think he got in the building quick enough for him to, you know, get a week of practice under his belt.
32:58And he knows the communication with the quarterback and all that type of stuff.
33:02Unfortunately, it's a tough draw the first time. What they are overseas.
33:05They're facing the Jacksonville Jaguars. They are two and a half point underdogs here.
33:09We know the Jaguars have some pretty dang good quarters out there.
33:13I also bring up Jared Smola, who put together and compiled a list dating back to 2017 of all the wide receivers that were traded midseason.
33:20I think all but three of them saw a downturn in terms of their points per game.
33:25The three that were positive were Amari Cooper back in 2018 that jumped from 9.3 to 17.9.
33:30DeAndre Hopkins in 2024, 6.4 to 10.9. And then we know Devontae Adams a couple of years ago, 15 up to 17.7.
33:36But Matt, that list is, you know, littered with, I mean, another Amari Cooper season.
33:40Rashid Jaheed season, a Calvin Benjamin season. Demarius Thomas towards the end of his career.
33:45Golden Tate as well. So is it kind of skewed towards some players later on in their careers versus someone that should
33:51honestly be at the peak of his career in Marv?
33:54Totally. I think there's a lot of similarities to the Amari Cooper trade here.
33:58Now, Cooper got off to a much better start in his NFL career than Marvin Harrison did from a production standpoint.
34:04He had 2,000 yard seasons to start. But he was a guy that in his third season started to kind of slip for in terms of production.
34:12And, you know, I had this theory for years with him where I was like, this is a guy that needs to not.
34:18I know he's the fourth overall pick and he's got the body type for it.
34:23And he's like theoretically this great route runner. But the consistency isn't there from the X receiver spot.
34:28He needs to kick over to Z. And then that's exactly what happened with Amari Cooper.
34:32He gets to Dallas. He kicks over to Z.
34:35By the way, our colleague Nate Tice actually was on some of those Raiders staffs.
34:39And I was talking to him about this. He goes, yeah, no, we moved him to Z one game.
34:45And he immediately like goes off against Kansas City or something like that.
34:49So they were having the same thoughts inside the building.
34:51And I think that's part of the deal with Harrison here that, yeah, he he's just a weird player, man, where obviously
34:58he's never going to be the generational talents, a stupid term.
35:01But he's never going to be that guy. But he is a guy that I think can function.
35:06He's just like more of a supersized craftsman receiver than this big physical dominant X.
35:10So I think he's going to go that way.
35:13So that's what you have to tell yourself if you're a Texans fan is that this is going to be a little
35:19more like a diet Coke version of the Amari Cooper trade.
35:22And Hayden, even for the Houston Texans to rank seventh here in wide receiver usage is quite high.
35:28Considering that Nico Collins missed multiple games. Considering this team doesn't run, you know, the highest rate of 11 personnel.
35:33They love their extra bodies. They they have four tight ends on the field last week, too.
35:38So I just really hope this condenses at some point away from Xavier Hutchinson and Kayshaun Booty.
35:43And we get in two wide receiver sets, Nico and Marv.
35:46And when we get into 11 personnel, you bring Jalen Nolan, you know, for his awesome two catches.
35:51And then they forget about him until the next time they want to run three wide receiver sets.
35:57And that's it. You know, and Marv like, hey, you and I have had countless conversations about this.
36:02Whatever pre-Jeff thoughts, I think that those are out the window.
36:05Right. He is not a, you know, total package of a player.
36:08To me, he just really needs to focus in on some areas that he he can thrive in and be dependable in.
36:15Like in college, some of his tight window stuff I thought was very good.
36:19And he can't just have like mental lapses on top of that.
36:22And it feels like in the NFL so far, he's had mental lapses.
36:26Just some targets go off his hands. And then we know in the first two seasons of his career, the tight window
36:32stuff was some of the worst in the league.
36:35Yeah. Yeah. He just has to get better. You know, I think that, you know, you're limiting how many like speed based
36:41routes he has to run in this offense. I think that's going to be helpful for him.
36:46And I'm just hoping that he regresses to what he looked like in college at the catch point where he was really good at it.
36:53My my my I agree with you on the the the role specifically.
36:57Xavier Hutchinson and Kayshawn Booty. My fear is that those guys are just going to play a little bit more than we want.
37:04Like Nico Collins is in the full time player.
37:06Nate had a theory that they don't use Nico Collins in every single snaps like, you know, kind of conserve his soft tissues.
37:13He's had like an extensive injury history. Oh, but if like we're still getting like Kayshawn and Xavier Hutchinson for like 50% of the snaps.
37:20That's how this experiment does not matter in fantasy.
37:22I do think if Marvin does get, you know, 80% of the routes, I think he can be fantasy relevant.
37:28But if that's like 60% because they want to keep these other guys involved for other reasons, like that's how this experiment
37:35kind of, you know, falls on its face. And one final point here, CJ Stroud, I don't think it's been what a
37:41top 12 quarterback in fancy football since his rookie season.
37:44I think this is a great season for him to do that, you know, rest of way top 12 quarterback in terms of spread it out, pick apart.
37:52And Matt, I mean, this perfectly lines up this week for that against the Jacksonville Jaguars who are allowing what 63 rushing
37:58yards per game on defense number one in the league.
38:01And so while Woody Marks is coming in week to week as the lead ball carrier for this team, and he will
38:07be a start, at least in your flexes, just because he owns this role in comparison to everyone else.
38:13I really hope we get a nice taste of what CJ is going to, you know, just chuck it around the yard
38:19and touch every single blade of grass with the football.
38:2229th ranked team in rushing EPA are the Houston Texans.
38:25The Jacksonville Jaguars defense is number one in rushing EPA allowed.
38:28So, yeah, it's definitely a stoppable force, immovable object matchup here.
38:31You'd think this is a funnel situation where they just this is the theory of the case here is that they go spread.
38:38They get all these eligibles out. Yeah, there's also part of this, too, where they probably got Marv in the mix to
38:44just take some more X receiver stuff off Nico's plate when they go to 13 personnel and stuff like that, because they're
38:50definitely worried about the soft tissue thing with Nico.
38:53The way he like popped off on Twitter about it.
38:56And like I've had conversations with Nico before. He's not a pop off kind of guy.
39:00You can tell he's mad about it. That's probably why they didn't give him a contract extension.
39:05They just gave him a raise this past year.
39:08So there's there's some stuff there with the injury thing.
39:11There's no question. There's stuff with injuries and Nico, but I like how this sets up for Stroud.
39:16He's number two in the NFL and catchable air yards behind only Jared Goff.
39:20And I think there's a chance he could finish number one this year.
39:24Okay, let's talk about their opponent then in the Jacksonville Jaguars.
39:27Because facial toot and Hayden has the most runs of 15 plus miles per hour in the NFL right now.
39:33I don't think this is easy. He's getting hit behind the line of scrimmage quite often, as we saw near the goal line this week, too.
39:40And just between the 20s on top of it.
39:43And unfortunately, the Jaguars just lost their left tackle Anton Harrison for at least four weeks, if not the entire season, depending on how significant this surgery is.
39:51What's your overall view of Tootin and this Jaguars offense right now?
39:54Among backup tackles, like you have Walker Little to kind of fill in there.
39:58So like it's a downgrade, but it's not like as big as like some other downgrades with Tootin, though.
40:04Very frustrating because he's a good player making a lot of explosive plays like you're talking about and breaking a bunch of tackles.
40:10And it just hasn't like really translated to fantasy points.
40:13Like he's the RB18, RB21 usage on the season.
40:16Like once they get down to the goal line, like this team's just total panic mode in terms of like false starts,
40:22delay games, Chris Rodriguez, Wildcat, Basial Tootin motion plays that are very predictable.
40:26Like there's they're overthinking things. But I think the reason they are is because the offensive line is just like not good.
40:32I just, you know, like creating a lane in short yardage situations.
40:35And then Tootin's also averaging 1.8 receptions per game.
40:38That's RB34. So he's one of these players where either they're going to start passing him the ball.
40:43They're just going to commit to him at the goal line and just stop overthinking things.
40:48And that's how we can get closer to the RB12 for the rest of the season.
40:52I think that's very, very well within the range of outcomes or this is what they view him as.
40:58And he's kind of like not a trap back.
41:00He's better than that. But because the offensive line is just a tier below the rest of the league, that he's just
41:07going to be like an upside RB2 where I'm waiting for the game where he's going to finish as the RB3 in
41:13a week here, like any, any moment. But I do think that the goal line role is kind of odd and the
41:19amount of receptions are kind of odd. And I think that's like the real reasons why he hasn't like reached this crazy
41:26potential, even though he's reached that potential as a player himself.
41:29You can only kind of get too high on Jacksonville Jaguar players overall, too, because they're one of the slowest teams in
41:35the NFL, not play speed, but like getting like pace of play.
41:39They're actually only ahead of the Miami Dolphins in pace this year because they take forever to get these play calls in.
41:45And this is the downside of all the motions and shifts.
41:48You could you can even tell Trevor was pissed about it this past week where he's obviously has the play where he
41:54really freaks out after a delay of game. But he's signaling these guys like get get in motion so I can snap the damn ball already.
42:02So that that's a little bit of an issue.
42:04Not that at this point, I think we've kind of given up the ghost on any of the receivers other than Parker Washington.
42:11You know, Brenton Strange has been popping, but I mean, they can't really get a lot of plays off their 31st in seconds per play this year.
42:19It's very it's not quite the same as kind of like some of those Rogers offenses where they do all the shifting
42:25and he do all the pointing and stuff at the line.
42:28They're kind of in that area right now, which is a small part of the tootin story that also has sort of
42:35not allowed him to completely break out yet. But I think I think he looks great.
42:39It's just a matter of if we can get some of those money touches his way.
42:44Yeah, if you guys told me that Basial Tootin would be clearly the running back one on this team and the Jaguars
42:50would kind of be this good overall as a team, I would think that Tootin would be much higher than the running
42:56back 18 in points per game at this point.
42:59But he's not. He's almost just slightly higher. He's a small win right now versus where we selected him in drafts.
43:05But that just makes me want to like suggest him as a buy low if that is a possibility out there and
43:11just believe in that there is going to be the games like you mentioned Hayden that he breaks a 3040 plus yarder.
43:18I mean, he did a couple weeks ago and it got brought back.
43:21Right. So I think the big games are ahead.
43:24But if they're not, I don't think it's because of him.
43:27I think it's what we're talking about. It's the offensive line.
43:30And that's where it comes down to it. And he even has like the highest, you know, market share on the team
43:37in terms of carries inside the 10 yard line at 55%.
43:40That's only five of them, you know, and he's competing with running backs that have 12, 15, 17, all that type of stuff.
43:46Yeah, 55% is it's good that he's leading the team, but there's other running backs where it's like 80% as well.
43:52So, yeah. And then in the red zone, like Jacoby Myers is running crossers.
43:56Brendan Strange scoring some touchdowns on occasion. We obviously have the Parker Washington's explosives and some of the design stuff.
44:02So there's a lot of, you know, mouths to feed here.
44:05I think we mentioned Brendan Strange a couple times.
44:08I think, you know, he's becoming more and more interesting.
44:11Caught seven of his eight targets last week. That's a 35% target share.
44:15He was tackled at the one yard line twice on those.
44:18Like we would have really been talking about him like, you know, like leading the waiver wire if he would have scored touchdowns on them.
44:25And that tends to kind of even out. So the tight end 15 expected points over his last four games.
44:31We know he's a good player. There's a couple like wide open reps for Brendan Strange running across the middle there.
44:37And certified, like good football player. So, you know, now that we like fully crossed off Ryan Thomas.
44:42I think that, you know, we have a chance here for Brendan Strange to be somewhere on the tight end 12 ish.
44:48By the way, we've lost a lot of fancy tight ends over like the last couple of weeks.
44:53Like all of a sudden that really deep position.
44:56Like I was doing my rankings. I was like, oh, we're back to that position where tight end 10, tight end 14.
45:02There's not a whole lot going on. And I think I would just like blindly take a stab at Brent, Brenton Strange instead.
45:09Well, to me, it makes sense. One, he runs a lot of the routes where this Liam Cohen offense is created around, right?
45:15Intermediate over the middle of the field. And this team runs a hefty amount of 12 personnel after drafting Borkercher.
45:21And so in that, he becomes their third most important pass catcher on the team.
45:26And then he's out there in single tight end stuff.
45:28And again, is running the routes in the area of the field that they want to attack versus BTJ, who's on the outside doing what he does.
45:36So, yeah, I mean, the tight end 13 week one, the tight end six last week, and then the tight end 11 in week five.
45:43If I'm sure Matt will get questions on Sunday morning, if just before this game, maybe if Brenton Strange should be in the flex conversations here.
45:51Yeah, and I think that I think Brenton Strange is kind of in that perfect zone that you want a tight end
45:57to be in where he's good enough in line doing real deal tight end stuff that he doesn't really come off the field.
46:04But he is a guy that was sort of profiled to coming into the league as one of those move flex tight ends.
46:10And I think he kind of is able to do a little bit of both.
46:15So he's not quite like the T-Ferg or Dalton Kincaid lift the lid 13 personnel tight end, which is great because then
46:21he's going to actually be in the areas where he gets real deal targets.
46:25So, yeah, at this point, I think he's the second most important pass catcher on the team behind Parker Washington, who's far
46:31and away the most important pass catcher on the team.
46:34What a what a stud. What a stud. Parker Washington.
46:37I had great game this past week. Like if you any concerns after, you know, one catch for whatever yards like stuff happens.
46:44Move on. Yeah. And it's awesome. You know, when they drop back 39 times when in previous games, they go for 24.
46:50So, yeah, I mean, when they are ever pushed like they were and they drop back 32, 35, whatever it is that many times.
46:57Parker Washington is going to get fed the football because he's really freaking good at his job.
47:02Can I ask you guys can I ask you guys one thing?
47:05Like, do we think Brian Thomas Jr. gets traded or I know they keep saying they that they don't want to like he's more valuable to us.
47:13But like, are we are we sure he's more valuable to them at this point?
47:17I like I get that was crazy to not get that.
47:20What uniform would he look best in, Matt? LSU.
47:23I don't know, man. It's really tough to say because because he's because he's already tried that, Matt.
47:28That's true. He's still young. I don't know. He's he's just kind of a weird player at this point, too, because I
47:34know people think like, oh, he's just doing the sacrificial X receiver stuff.
47:38He's not. He's actually playing all three receiver positions.
47:41He's not just outside on ball. He moves all around.
47:44He just is totally not involved. And I mean, the film on his rookie year was not quite as good as the
47:50production, but was perfectly good enough to think like, OK, we're going in the right direction here.
47:55And he just hasn't gotten back to that. So I don't really know what to say about that.
48:00Is that similar to I think with Marv's film, I'm totally willing to just throw that out this year because obviously he
48:06was not happy and was trying to get out of there.
48:10And the whole deal is BTJ the same. Maybe, maybe.
48:12But I mean, I think a team like I said, I'll always say Kansas City is like an outside receiver that can beat man coverage.
48:20But at this point, it just I'm questioning whether he's actually more valuable to them than as a guy like let's just
48:26trade him for a third or something and see what happens.
48:29Well, hey, on that note, I think they're very well set up to move on from Brian Thomas Jr.
48:35They have Josh Cameron who can do some real dirty work stuff is already like one of the best blocking wide receivers out there.
48:41And then if they ever wanted to feature Travis Hunter at all again on offense, this is another pathway of doing that.
48:48So I think the Chiefs are an example. I think the Raiders are an example.
48:52Do any other suit your fancy here? Hey, I mean, the Chiefs are just like so beyond perfect.
48:57Like, you know, he's the perfect Taequann Thornton, I guess.
49:00Yeah, I think the hard part is just would you go for more or less than Marv?
49:05Less, right? It would have to be less, but it would be less.
49:09I would view them pretty similar. To be honest, I thought that rookie tape was, you know, pretty outstanding in some areas.
49:15And, you know, I think that he still has a ton of potential and he's still really young as well.
49:21So I would be open to I think the hard part is, you know, Jacksonville is trying to win the Super Bowl this year.
49:28It's like you're getting future capital. That's nice. But like you're in the driver's seat in the AFC right now.
49:33It's like make a real run. Yeah. And there's not a like completely dominant team that I can see another team valuing him more.
49:40But if you're Jacksonville, like you're an aggressive team, like, you know, holding on to Brian Thomas, like almost seems like the more aggressive move.
49:47I think that's a great point. Like they're in a much different team state than the Arizona Cardinals are.
49:53And, you know, what is something happened to Parker Washington?
49:56Or what if something happened to Jacoby Myers? And you need that Brian Thomas Jr.
50:00game in the playoffs or in the Super Bowl.
50:03And you didn't you couldn't get it because you traded him away.
50:06So, yeah, the long view of that makes a lot of sense.
50:10OK, let's talk about the Denver Broncos because Sean Payton took back over play calling.
50:14Harmon, did you see any differences? I mean, to me, the biggest difference is that R.J.
50:18Harvey dominated the workload in week four and then J.K.
50:21Dobbins dominated the workload in week five. And then we don't know what's going to happen and who dominates the workload once Jonah Coleman comes back.
50:29Because Sean Payton loved talking about Jonah Coleman this offseason, too.
50:32But I do think like Coleman should be stashed everywhere just in case, because like they tried to make it work with J.K.
50:39Dobbins. And it's just it's not going to work with the way he's playing in his current form.
50:44He was asked. I don't know if we talked about this, but he was asked about his health status.
50:49And, you know, he kind of played a little coy of like, yeah, what's healthy?
50:54Am I healthy? What is healthy? So just like I think that might be where he's at at this point.
50:59But, yeah, they slammed him up the gut a few times, didn't really go anywhere.
51:04And the passing game was completely the same. You can't just get in there, Sean Payton, and push the make Bo Nix
51:10throw over the middle of the field plays. Great stat.
51:13Brett Coleman getting a lot of pop on this show.
51:16Great stat from Brett Coleman from next gen stats.
51:18Fifty eight percent of Denver's dropbacks this year. There is a route breaking to the intermediate middle of the field.
51:24That's the third highest rate in the league. Bo Nix is thrown to those on just 11 percent of those dropbacks.
51:30Third lowest rate in the league. They're targeting running backs at the highest rate.
51:34They're super spread out from a pass distribution standpoint.
51:37And I don't think that is by design. Those again, we're all watching the tape like those plays are open.
51:42The quarterback is just not he's just not playing as well as he has previously.
51:47Even if you were skeptical about Bo Nix, this is the worst he's ever played.
51:51And is it injury? I don't know. But this was something I didn't expect to happen and why I've gotten the Jalen
51:57Waddle thing very, very wrong this year. I completely agree on Nick's like this is the worst I've seen him play.
52:03There's like moments where he could be stepping up to throw it.
52:07And then like he just gets, you know, like parallel with the like sideline and just like full panic mode.
52:12And then I saw a good note from Steven Ruiz where he's only scrambled a couple of times this year, where previously
52:19it was at 54 times per year, 34 times per year.
52:22And those were very valuable reps like them picking up first downs because of Bo Nix.
52:27Like we're removing that so far coming off the ankle surgery.
52:30And then on the Sean Payton note, season low in neutral pass rate, not even close.
52:3443% last week. Every other week, Bo Nix was at 55% higher than that.
52:38And the average is around 50%. So I think that was kind of notable.
52:42And I think that correlates to the J.K. Dobbin stuff who does not look amazing.
52:47But I will also say this Broncos offensive line that I thought was maybe the best unit last year.
52:52This center is really struggling. That's in protection and running the ball like the interior of the offensive line was dominant last year.
52:59I have not noticed that this season as well.
53:01So I think some of this does fall to the offensive line.
53:05Also not playing quite as well as it did the previous seasons.
53:08If I'm sorry, Josh, if I could just make a note about the scramble yards.
53:13These are the quarter. These guys still have more yards on scrambles than Bo Nix.
53:17Ethan Callie-Ikmanis, Jack Strand, Drew Locke and Tyson Bajan.
53:19Well, sorry, in fairness, Bo Nix, Bajan and Drew Locke are tied with 14 yards on scrambles.
53:24Yes, very fair for you. Yes. Like you mentioned, Hayden, Bo Nix, 54 scrambles in 2024, 34 in 2025.
53:30He's on pace for 17 this season. And it kind of goes back to the theory that I had last week that,
53:36hey, these ankle issues for all three of the big fancy assets that we are drafting have, I think, really shown up
53:42in terms of some change games or some production on top of it.
53:46When Sean Judkins came scatiboo and especially he were with Bo Nix.
53:50I don't think Bo, you know, trust where his health is at this point.
53:54And it makes sense after you have all season surgery to this.
53:57And so his clock is sped up because his pressure to sack rate has always been at the top of his mind.
54:03And so if he doesn't want to be sacked and if he doesn't feel like he can move as much as he
54:10used to, then again, like we said, that leads to check downs.
54:13And then he just ran into like a sack on a three man rush.
54:17I mean, just drifted directly into it. And we never saw that previously.
54:21So he's just not comfortable with, I think, where he's at as an individual right now.
54:25Hey, anything you want to say about the Broncos here?
54:28Yeah, I got one thing on Jalen Waddle. So I think that the big thing, Bo Nix not playing as well, like
54:35that's, you know, explains part of why Waddle has been not a good fancy pick.
54:39He's dropped more passes than he ever has. And like those come up like on pretty like bad times plays where I
54:45think there was some like yak opportunities across them.
54:48But in terms of the like actual usage, he only has five receptions for five yards on screens.
54:53Like this is the team that had the most screens over the last couple of years.
54:58And he's not nearly involved in that as I thought he was going to be.
55:02Like I think that he was going to have like two screens per game.
55:06He's averaging just like one. And then on 15 plus air yard throws, he's two of six on them.
55:11But it's not just that the rate isn't there.
55:14Like only six targets more than 15 yards downfield.
55:17When I've watched Bo Nix, like throw the ball 60 yards down the field.
55:21And these huge, crazy design rollouts, like way worse players than Jalen Waddle.
55:24Like we're not getting those either. So like to me, it's the layups and the shot plays like the volume isn't there.
55:31So he's like kind of been this like underneath intermediate player, but not like by like, like manufacturer touches.
55:36And he hasn't been quite as good on those himself.
55:391.3 yards per route is by far a career low for him.
55:42So I think the efficiency will regress. But more screens, more shot plays.
55:46Like I'm like shocked that we're not getting either one of those.
55:50Yep. I thought we would get everything that Marvin Mims has done over the last two years, transported over to Jalen Waddle
55:56and then just more actual wide receiver stuff like good wide receiver stuff.
56:00And then unfortunately, when the Marvin Mims and Troy Franklin screens left the playbook, they didn't go to Jalen Waddle and they just vanished.
56:07Like Matt, I watched way too many screens to worse players than Jalen Waddle over the past two years for Jalen Waddle not to get them this season.
56:15It's pretty frustrating. And Mims still has three screen targets this year.
56:18Pat Bryant has two. That was mostly in like the first game, which was bizarre that it's like, oh, we're dialing up.
56:24I like Pat Bryant, but we're dialing up screens to Pat Bryant.
56:28Yeah. I thought Mims would just completely go away.
56:30He hasn't. They're one of the most widespread target trees in the NFL too.
56:34And it's just like nothing is really happening here, which again, I think goes back to the quarterback play.
56:40But I feel like we got the role right from like a pre-snap move around the whole deal, like the route tree for Jalen Waddle.
56:47Just yeah. Calling balls and strikes. He's left players on the field and then the quarterback is leaving open routes on the field.
56:54So I think there's a chance that this gets this gets better with Knicks because we've seen him play better.
56:59But that's mostly just because it can't get much worse than this.
57:03Seahawks now. So maybe in two weeks. Okay. Yeah.
57:05Save that for the week. Yeah. Save that for the next week stats versus film.
57:10Okay. Yeah. And I also want to say there's like one egregious drop every single week for Jalen Waddle.
57:15So it's not just the environment here. He's we're fair and balanced to make the plays that are on the table for him.
57:22We're, we're doing our best. Okay. LA chargers are up next.
57:25I mean, Hey, and I got a comment last week that said that we don't explain enough or often enough why the chargers are dysfunctional.
57:32I feel like we talked about it after week one at length.
57:36And then it's just been the same thing every single week with now worse offensive line play on top of it, that
57:42the order of operations is just so chaotic and that no one can get on the same page that it just is again, dysfunctional on top of it.
57:50I think the one big fancy takeaway here is that Kamani Vidal had his 42 yard touchdown run, broke multiple tackles on the outside.
57:57Uh, he's also their most trusted pass protector, but Hayden, do you think that this gets to a point where Vidal is
58:03actually fancy relevant or does it get to a point when none of these running backs are fancy relevant?
58:09I think we're at the none. Uh, yeah, I guess Hampton is like still going to be the goal line back.
58:15So if you're desperate for a flex play, like you can like hope that he just scores a touchdown and eventually he'll
58:21have an explosive run, but he was out there for three of 34 dropbacks for Omarion Hampton because Vidal is a much
58:27better pass protector and because Keaton Mitchell is like, they're like fun back.
58:31So we're, we're in a very bad spot for Omarion Hampton.
58:34The offensive line is starting for, uh, backups right now, including both the tackle spots.
58:38And I think part of this, it just simply does fall on Justin Herbert throwing interceptions right to zone defenders who he's staring at.
58:45And there's no reason to be doing that. Like, I don't get it.
58:49Like Justin Herbert has playing really bad football on like, you know, five plays per game, but those are like very costly mistakes.
58:56Uh, last week they had nobody to throw the ball to, uh, the, I would also mention like stuff like fullback in
59:02tight end blocking is just beyond pathetic in this offense.
59:05Like there's some like huge Gadsden, you know, whiffs, uh, that were just derailing some of these runs as well.
59:11So, you know, credit for Kamani Vidal breaking those tackles, but that was also against the, you know, the Broncos who their linebackers can't tackle anybody.
59:18And he looks really slow. So I don't think that humanity Vidal is going to matter except that he's just going to eat all these pass protection snaps.
59:26So now we can like literally project Hampton for zero or one catch per game.
59:30And that's going to also limit Keaton Mitchell too.
59:33Yeah. I don't know what people want us to say about this team because they're still having all of the same issues
59:39you mentioned with the fullbacks and the tight end.
59:42And that was like part of the theory of why this offense could be fun and interesting this year is like those guys would be great role players.
59:50I mean, the fullbacks disaster. So take the one, take the wanted poster down McDaniel.
59:54That was like, it's crazy. Yeah. So to your point on that Hayden, Matt Money Smith, who was the play by play
60:01guy of, of the chargers set, told the story that there were wanted posters during free agency of Alec Ingalls out there
60:07who obviously McDaniel coached in Miami and you know, the escort screens, the guy that, you know, the straw that stirs the
60:13drink and all this type of stuff. And he's been truly one of the worst, just like from a timing standpoint and
60:20assignment who to block players on the field. Chargers is crazy.
60:23Yeah. And blocking. Chargers fans are going to put up the wanted poster for a different reason now for Alec Ingalls.
60:29But yeah, I mean, they, they dropped down to the basement of the NFL in terms of a pass rate over expected
60:35this last week, but then there's still 29th and rushing success rate 25th and yards before contact.
60:40Like nothing is working here and what are you, what are you going to do when your top receivers are MVS at this point in his career?
60:48That's pathetic. Theo Weiss, your Trey Harris. It's like, Oh, I'm excited to see Trey Harris's role grow.
60:53He he's out right away. It's injured. I mean, it's just, they're out there with a preseason offensive line and a preseason receiver core.
61:00And you still can't do Justin Herbert apologist stuff because he makes, he's like just digging the hole deeper.
61:05It's, it's, it's really bad. I, and it's not, I just, it's not going to, I don't think it's going to get any better.
61:12And Jim Harbaugh has no answers either. His interviews at halftime.
61:15It's, it's so, it's so bad. It's just like, he's staring like the thousand yard stare says nothing.
61:20He has no answers. So I think it's over.
61:23Yeah. This week, they're projected for the lowest points in the NFL.
61:26Worse than the Browns. Worse than the Cardinals. Worse than the Jets.
61:30Worse than the Titans at 17.25 against the Kansas City Chiefs.
61:33I mean, Hayden, Ladd McConkie suited up. He did not play a snap.
61:37People just have to tune in on Friday to see where you rank Ladd McConkie in wide receiver rankings this week.
61:43Okay. Let's talk about the New York Jets. And Matt, I do want to send it to you first because Garrett Wilson, pretty good at football.
61:50Very good at football. It's finally happening for Garrett Wilson.
61:53Maybe. I mean, he's on pace to have the best season of his career.
61:57105 catches, 1,271 yards. Despite playing the fewest percentage of snaps in the slot that he's ever played.
62:02Like, he's playing real deal outside wide receiver and obviously crushing it.
62:06He was simply uncoverable on tape with this past week against the Browns.
62:10He was just completely open every single, like, all over the place.
62:13And it's all these breaking routes that we're showing on the screen here for Garrett Wilson.
62:18This is stuff he's been doing at an elite level since he got into the league.
62:2293rd percentile success rate versus man last year when he was active in RP.
62:26Like, this is one of the best receivers in the NFL talent-wise.
62:30And he's got a quarterback who's just willing to rip it to him.
62:33So, yeah, I think we can buy what's happening with Garrett Wilson right now.
62:37Like, kind of a buy-high type player in fantasy because I don't see this changing.
62:42Unless Geno gets benched for Cade Clubnick, which, you know, that's maybe December problem.
62:46Not right now. I just want to give a quick credit to the coaching staff here.
62:50Denzel Ward plays on the right side of the field.
62:53And then Garrett Wilson in this game played more snaps at the left side.
62:57And you see a lot of those kind of crossing routes.
63:00That was to be away from Denzel Ward, who's having a good season.
63:04And then some of the routes where he was on the right side, they would be motioning him away where Denzel Ward
63:10would be, you know, covering Isaiah Williams or whoever it was.
63:14It's also helpful that Tim Patrick's out there just running wind sprints.
63:17Like, he's just going to be out there for 100% of the snaps and getting zero targets.
63:22Like, the ball is going to get bundled. He looks awesome.
63:25I think Geno Smith's playing fine enough football. And I just think that, you know, Frank Reich versus all the shots that
63:31we're taking towards him, I think rightfully so before the season.
63:35I think he's doing enough things right now to get creative.
63:38Totally. Totally agree with that. Hey, and I do want to ask you about Braylon Allen and this running game.
63:43Uh, right now, Braylon Allen is sixth in the NFL in terms of missed tackles forced per attempt.
63:49Uh, Brees Hall, we know, has missed weeks and who knows if he's going to play here in week six.
63:54He was mostly the bell cow early on this season.
63:57Has Braylon Allen done enough to make this a split backfield when Brees returns?
64:01I would say maybe like some degree, but there's like a pretty different, uh, style between Braylon Allen and Brees Hall.
64:07Uh, so for as long as Brees Hall is not out there, I'm treating Braylon Allen as a very serious fantasy running back to.
64:14He had one of the funniest reps of the week where, you know, Denzel Ward, poor guy was like in the box
64:21and he was the field defender and Braylon Allen lowered his head.
64:24And I mean, my God, like just completely shook the entire stadium.
64:27So that was like really fun stuff. Uh, he was the RB 13 and usage last week, two weeks ago.
64:33They had the fourth use plays in NFL history.
64:36So if you throw that game out, like we're looking at like a very real, like fringe RB one in fantasy, by
64:42the way, Isaiah Davis, his last touch going into halftime right there was one of the worst fumbles I've seen the entire season.
64:49And they didn't go back to him a single time after not using him at all on offensive plays through like the first four weeks.
64:56So this is like the first time we saw Isaiah Davis and it was a bad rep.
65:01Uh, Braylon also had a fumble, but I think that was a little bit more forgivable.
65:05Given the context of the play and what happened there.
65:08Um, so yeah, not an easy matchup this week.
65:11They're only projected for 18 points, but Braylon Allen lowering his shoulder and like not coming off the field.
65:16Like that's, you know, better than a lot of fancy running backs.
65:20Okay. Let's go to Cleveland Browns. Um, Matt prior to the show, I asked you guys, if you had any good things
65:26to say, well, not good things, quality pieces of information about the Cleveland Browns.
65:30Uh, tell the people share your thoughts on where the Cleveland Browns are at right now, because, you know, I went on
65:36a long monologue last week about just how good Todd Munkin is in terms of, uh, putting players in the correct places and winning some tight contests.
65:44Uh, I thought this game, he was really let down by his quarterback.
65:48I thought Deshaun Watson fricking sucked this week. Yeah.
65:50Deshaun is not good. I mean, we don't have to pretend at all that he's, he's anything more.
65:56I mean, he's listen, he's better than the worst quarterback I've ever seen play, which is what he was previously.
66:01Which was him. So yeah, correct. Yes. Which was, which was Deshaun Watson.
66:05So now, so he's better than that. Uh, he's functional adjacent, like somewhere between functional and, and unplayable is where Deshaun is
66:11right now, which is again, big improvement. Meanwhile, though, I mean, Denzel Boston is, uh, is a kick-ass player, dude.
66:17Um, it's, I w I wish someone would have called him diet Coke, Mike Evans, for the NFL draft.
66:23That would have been, that would have been a great comp.
66:26Um, that was me. But anyways, uh, yeah, I like Mike, uh, the Denzel Boston just looks great out there and he's
66:32running as a, like the truest purist X only player.
66:35I mean, he is on ball 96% of the snaps I've charted so far in the slot on 6%.
66:40It's old school, classic X stuff. And I can't believe people thought this guy couldn't separate, couldn't get open.
66:46He gets open and it's in, it was, it was insane to me.
66:50It was the most like big receiver stereotyping since Tedro McMillan, since Drake London.
66:54Like this happens every draft class and Denzel Boston's another one of these guys.
66:58And he wasn't quite in that tier of prospect to me.
67:01I did have those guys ranked higher, but he's still been unbelievably good so far better than I expected.
67:06Um, he gets open, he makes contested catches and it's all these like deep stop routes too.
67:11That that's why Deshaun has had a good connection with him because I think Deshaun is not seeing the middle of the
67:17field well at all and not like letting those plays develop.
67:21But when you can take those quick outs and stops and even now, like in this game against the Jets, there's a
67:27couple of really big time, like slant wins where he's wide open.
67:30And Deshaun doesn't throw them all the time. I just think Denzel is crushing it right now.
67:35Um, I just had, uh, right before this, I was live for the fantasy forecast with Dwayne McFarlane sat in for Ray Garvin.
67:42He actually said he thinks like Denzel Boston's a good sell high candidate in fantasy just because of the environment, some of
67:48the usage and how he's been hitting on big plays.
67:51And I think that's totally fair. It's just really hard for me to get on board with the sell high on Denzel Boston.
67:58Cause I think the film has been so good on him.
68:01Um, and even like from a dynasty standpoint, I'm, I'm going to rocket him up my rankings next time I update them for my site.
68:08Yeah. Dynasty wise, he's going to be a home run selection.
68:11I understand like, you know, the, the selling high right now, I mean, he's the wide receiver 21 usage wise.
68:17He's the wide receiver 36. That's a pretty substantial gap there.
68:20But like you said, like throw the ball up to Denzel Boston and like sometimes that's in the red zone.
68:26And we had, obviously we've had a couple of those plays, but sometimes that's just like an eight yard played near the sticks.
68:32And just like, let's see if he comes down with it.
68:36Uh, I love that off coverage rep that he had where he kind of like slow played.
68:40It starts inside, goes back outside, uh, and then ends up winning over the top with enough speed.
68:46And you don't have to be super fast to win on the perimeter.
68:49However, if corners are afraid that you're just going to dunk on them underneath, like that is enough to create a little bit of separation over the top.
68:57And if he, if he doesn't have separation, he's still going to make plays on the ball.
69:02So I think he's a very good football player matchup wise, uh, this week.
69:06Uh, the Ravens have allowed a lot of big wide receivers, downfield wide receivers to have big games.
69:11And we'll see about Casey Concepcion, who is like a really disgusting hit on Casey Concepcion earlier in that game.
69:17Like you truly did hate to see it. Um, and that's obviously, you know, funnels the ball to Denzel Boston even more.
69:24Yeah. And I would put that blame on Deshaun Watson, to be honest, like that ball was poorly placed.
69:29It was behind him. He twisted right into the defender who lowered his helmet and hit him on a nasty spot where,
69:35you know, if it was between the numbers or in front of him, direction he was running.
69:40Casey Concepcion probably would be playing this week. Matt, my favorite route for Denzel Boston was that hinge route along the sideline.
69:47Like he is threatening these corners in film studies so much that they don't want to be beat over top.
69:52And so he is, again, despite his size, able to threaten vertically and then just hinge back.
69:57And I thought that was one of Deshaun's best throws was the timing of that.
70:01Some anticipation to just lay it out there. And that's kind of an uncoverable play.
70:06Like we saw that with Mike Evans, no matter who his quarterback was in Tampa year after year after year.
70:12So my favorite thing about Denzel Boston and what I always look for with draft prospects is how they won in college.
70:18Are they winning in the exact same way once they get to the league?
70:22And Denzel Boston is doing it in the exact same way, which is awesome because that means his game, despite some size
70:28and athletic differences between college and the NFL is translating 100%.
70:31And I think there's meat left on the bone.
70:34I don't know if it's going to get carved off the bone this year just because of Deshaun.
70:39Like how long is he going to play in the whole deal?
70:43But they're not moving him around at all. And maybe Todd Monk is a guy that doesn't want to move the X all that much.
70:50I mean, we just talked about this earlier with Bateman where he was basically X only, never kicked into the slot.
70:56But I think he's a guy that could do like what Tedrow McMillan is doing this year and move into the slot.
71:02We're not talking full time power slot, any of that, but just between 25 and 30% would kind of increase the weekly
71:08floor for a guy like Denzel Boston. So, yeah, home run pick by the Cleveland Browns.
71:13And I think Casey Concepcion is going to get going if he can get on the field again.
71:18And Jerry Judy, I mean, I did see Jordan Schultz said that they want a third or a fourth round pick.
71:24Yeah, OK, it's good to want things. You're not getting a third round pick.
71:28But that would I know he's barely involved, but that would open up like a 10% target share maybe for some of these guys to get.
71:36Because I don't think Isaiah Bond is like anything more than a splash role player that you're giving the football to three or so times a game.
71:43So there's that. All right, Matt, you said it all.
71:46Thanks for joining us for the top 10 teams.
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72:41The crown is yours. Me and you for the rest of the way, Hayden.
72:45And let's talk about the Arizona Cardinals. All right.
72:47A big part of fantasy football is correctly projecting volume.
72:50And right now, Jeremiah loves, I think is tough to predict.
72:53He's been running back 1938, then running back six.
72:56And boy, do we get our hopes up. Then they're running back 42 and 47 over the last two weeks.
73:02That means he's the running back 26 in points per game.
73:05Just overall, we can get into the finite details, but just overall, where are you at with Jeremiah love in this Cardinals offense?
73:12So he played 76% of the snaps, handled 11 of 12 running back touches in the first half of the game.
73:18He was out there in the two-minute drill as well, which opens up a couple of receptions opportunities.
73:23And then he plays 24% of the snaps in the second half of the game.
73:27If you only look at the fourth quarter of the game, it's like 10%.
73:31So it really comes down to, okay, was he subbed out because of the scoreboard?
73:35Or is this a setback to his ankle injury?
73:38And that's why we have the film. I went back and watched all of his snaps in this one.
73:43And I thought he looked straight up healthy. You know, like he was jumping around.
73:48He had some pretty hilarious jump cuts in this one.
73:51I didn't see him like grabbing at his ankle or anything like that.
73:54I thought his film was actually good. So that kind of just comes to my point where I think that you can
74:01buy low on Jeremiah love coming off of that game.
74:04And I think that that game got so out of hand that they did not want to have Jeremiah love on the field.
74:10And that's going to be a risk. But as the season becomes more and more of a disaster, as we get further
74:16and further away from this ankle injury, I think it's just going to be totally fine.
74:21Like 76% of the snaps in the first half, 11 of 12 touches.
74:25Like that's awesome stuff. And I thought that he was going to look a lot worse on film than he did.
74:31So I think he's one of these players where you can't view him as a fantasy RB2.
74:36But if someone's dangling him as like the RB25 right now, somewhere in that range, like I think that's great value.
74:42Okay, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here because running back 25 is like horrible value versus where he was drafted.
74:48You know, it's early though. It is. But, you know, these games matter on top of it.
74:53And I think there have been some things that we can kind of link back this game to the comments that we
74:59talked about last week where he said this is going to be the longest year of my life.
75:04And to your point, I think that they are protecting him from making the ankle injury worse or having another ankle injury
75:11again versus other running backs that were drafted number three overall or number four or top 10 or whatever.
75:16Or guys that we thought or where we selected Jeremiah love and just the bell cow feature back work.
75:22Even if they are down by a lot of points at halftime, they would just simply be getting more work.
75:27And then I think we can even like detail this down to Jeremiah love is not involved in the receiving game right now.
75:34Like he had zero receptions this past week, one the week before he had five and that awesome performance against the 49ers
75:40where he was a top 10 running back for all of us.
75:44But then three and two, I was hoping for more angle routes.
75:47I was hoping for more just screens and that could come when they're down the scoreboard in the second half.
75:53And again, this is kind of linked to where we look at him this week.
75:57I mean, they're only projected the Cardinals for 19 and a half points on the road against the Rams who are projected for 33.
76:04So it's the same thing just going to happen like we just saw against the Lions that he's just totally phased out in the second half again.
76:12It's definitely possible. Like that's the risk. I think that that's how everyone's kind of pricing this one in.
76:17And like that's where I think there's, you know, opportunity here.
76:21And for the last two weeks, yeah, the receptions haven't been out there.
76:24But that's because in the fourth quarter or the beginning of the fourth quarter in week four, he has that new injury
76:31and he did not play the second that he got injured.
76:34So that was an entire fourth quarter. And then in this game, he's coming off of that new ankle sprain.
76:40So I understand subbing him out because that game was like not even close.
76:44You know, it's like one thing to be down 10 points.
76:47It's one thing. It's a different thing to be down, you know, 21 points like they were.
76:52So I think that to me where this small sample size, like I don't think that the games are going to get a little bit closer.
76:59He's going to get a little bit further away from the injury.
77:02I think the talent's going to pop a little bit.
77:05I thought he looked a little bit healthier than I was expecting in this one.
77:10I will say Jeremiah Love in terms of just like reliably hitting the hole on time and, you know, not bouncing around a little bit.
77:17Like I think that's where he needs to improve.
77:19Just like watching this tape. He's a little bit jumpy right now.
77:23He's got to trust it a little bit more.
77:25I think the offensive line is not going to be very good, especially without their left tackle as well.
77:31But he needs to kind of stop dancing a little bit and get upfield.
77:35And I think that is on the floor to unlock him as a receiver.
77:39And I think they will end up doing that.
77:42There's nothing about the last couple of games that suggest that this is going to change, except that he's very talented.
77:48And I think eventually it'll start showing up. I totally agree with you that he is very talented.
77:53I am nervous that they have the long view in place for Jeremiah Love.
77:57And that's why he doesn't play here in the second half.
78:00And that if that is somewhat of a trend and not just the entire second half, what if it's just fourth quarters when they're down?
78:07Like we can even minimize it to that. And I think that's a real potential when we look at their schedule coming up.
78:14It's the Rams, then the Broncos, then the Cowboys, then the Seahawks, then the Rams again, and then the Chiefs.
78:19So this is just one of those, I think, teams that when I always talk about take good players and good teams.
78:26Is this a good player on a potentially bad team?
78:29Right. Who also now don't have their left tackle and are missing some interior offensive linemen.
78:33And if that's the case, then it's not really a conducive fantasy environment unless he is starting to rack up these receptions.
78:40But like we keep saying, he has 36 receiving yards in the entire year.
78:44Yeah, I think the hard part is like, here's some of the running backs in my early rankings.
78:49It's Cam Skadaboo, Bill Krosky, Merrick, Quinshawn, Tony Pollard, Marshawn Lloyd, Jeremiah Love, Amarion Hampton, like Damian Pierce, J.K.
78:54Dobbins, Blake Corham. Like that's that's who he's, you know, being ranked around.
78:58Like, would you not rather have Jeremiah Love by a substantial margin versus everyone else in that range?
79:03Like that to me is like where I think it's this was like the worst it's going to get unless he has a new injury.
79:10And I think like this is a perfect buying period, especially if I'm sure a lot of the Jeremiah Love teams are
79:17sitting at two and three or whatever. I would be scooping him up right now if I could.
79:22Got it. Yeah. Look, we can have high scoring games where both teams score.
79:26I'm just so nervous that the Cardinals defense is in the state that it's in, that if they don't score in every
79:32drive, they're going to get blown out by 10, 14, 21, whatever points.
79:36So like that was the case here against the Lions, right?
79:39He was ranked somewhat highly because we thought that this was an environment that everyone could score points.
79:44And that didn't happen until like truly the garbage time stuff towards the end of the game.
79:49The Cowboys in three weeks in November 1st, is there potential for that?
79:53But are the Cardinals going to be able to like the Cardinals are the worst type of defense where you just get
79:59overrun over and over and over again, that it gets to a point where you're down so big on the scoreboard.
80:05That one, we also might see a new quarterback here and we don't know how that's going to look.
80:11That's scary. And then, yeah. And then two, you take out the players that you are, have a long view on and
80:17that you don't want to get injured. A la Jeremiah Love fourth quarters and heck even deep into the third quarter as well.
80:24So those are just my concerns. It's going to get better.
80:27He's not going to rank as the running back 43 and 46 and back to back weeks again, or else we have like real issues.
80:34Yeah, totally agree on that. Okay. Um, also I talked about this in the waiver show with Joel.
80:39Thank you all for tuning in and watching that.
80:42Uh, if you were wondering who was going to step in and fill in the outside two wide receiver snap stuff for Marvin Harrison Jr.
80:49Uh, his name is not Kendrick Bourne. Hayden, I think I did my labeling and, you know, things correct and click the right buttons.
80:56I don't think Kendrick Bourne has played a single 12 personnel drop back this entire season.
81:00Uh, so the guys running wind sprints on the outside are Reggie Virgil and Jalen Brooks.
81:05So I still think Kendrick Bourne is going to finish, you know, third and receiving on this team, but it's not like
81:11he's going to vault up to 80, 85% stuff.
81:14And at least he didn't in this first matchup, despite having a history with Michael Ford.
81:18Yeah. There's going to be garbage time for, for Kendrick Bourne.
81:22Uh, and I will say their new third starting wide receiver.
81:25It might be the worst starting wide receiver in the NFL right now.
81:28Like the film was that bad. Yeah. Yep. I agree.
81:31Okay. Let's talk about the Carolina Panthers. They are coming out of the buy.
81:35This is the question I ask you every single time.
81:38What do you want to see from the Panthers moving forward?
81:41Jalen Coker on the field and more Bryce Young playing like how he was playing before.
81:46I like this, you know, more of a pass first approach, a little bit more downfield approach, uh, kind of spread them
81:52out, throw the ball to the perimeter on a first read and throw the ball over the middle on a second read.
81:59And, you know, T Mac and Coker are awesome.
82:01So like, this is one of my favorite offenses in fantasy because there's only three guys that are involved and they are must starts every single week.
82:09Uh, I will say it's kind of shocking to see the Panthers.
82:12Their team total is only at 19 and a half points coming out of the buy week.
82:17They're in Philadelphia. Philly's offense is really slow pace and, you know, they got a good defense.
82:22So I understand it to some degree. Um, but if Bryce Young was as good as he was showing early on, like
82:28they should be able to score more than 19 points the rest of the way.
82:33Yeah. Philly's only at 21. So I think the markets project that one, like you said, to be like a really slow paced offense slop.
82:40Um, it sounds like Monroe feeling is not going to play and he's been the right tackle so far this year, but Tether Moten is coming out.
82:48He's coming back from blood clots. Uh, that's important because Bryce Young is the most pressured quarterback in the NFL at this point.
82:54Uh, so he's started off red hot. I think he might be even better if he's not the most pressured quarterback in the NFL.
83:01That would be cool if that happened the rest of the way.
83:05And like you said, Jalen Coker did return to practice this week.
83:08Someone posted every offense, just the total fancy points that they accumulate even with, you know, second, third wide receivers, tight ends all packaged together.
83:15And the Panthers are number two in the NFL only behind the Detroit lines ahead of the bills, Ravens, Cowboys, Rams, Bears, Chiefs, Bengals.
83:22Again, that was not on our bingo card to see the Carolina Panthers like that through the opening four weeks of the season.
83:29That's for sure. I'm going to lead with like all your favorite fantasy analysts.
83:33And in that league, I stacked up the Panthers, uh, in that league is super flex.
83:37I might have the fantasy points record in that league so far.
83:41I have like 200 more points than anybody else.
83:43So hopefully our Panthers could finish off strong. Love that.
83:46Okay. Let's talk about the Chicago Bears next. Um, I mean, we could do the same song and dance every single week
83:53of trying to figure out the difference between Luther Burden and Roma Dunze.
83:56I'll say one positive. It feels like the Khalif Raymond stuff is somewhat gone here over the last two weeks.
84:02Now, the negative in that same graphic that I talked about of accumulating every single position and adding it up to the end.
84:09The Bears have the eighth lowest tight end output in the NFL, um, at just 9.3 points per game.
84:14And that is full PPR. So that doesn't give me a lot of hope that, you know, Colson Loveland is just going
84:20to rebound here for us in a big way.
84:23The rest of the season, it can happen, but it really hasn't shown itself as a possibility so far.
84:29Yeah. He's a tight end 16 in usage. You don't win any, you know, prizes over being the tight end 16 in usage this season.
84:36And he's finished below his expected points in all five of those games.
84:39He's been, you know, tackled at the one inch line.
84:42He's, you know, not coming down with some contested catches.
84:45He's just not as involved as I thought he was going to be.
84:49I don't want to throw out the entire season, but the reality is this team has played one game with Caleb Williams
84:55where it wasn't pouring rain, where he's a hamstring detached from his femur.
84:59Uh, so, you know, I'm not saying that, you know, those last games don't count.
85:03They absolutely do count. I think the only thing I feel good about now is Roma Doomsday is a full-time player.
85:09He has issues. I think Colson Loveland's a near full-time player, but maybe not getting as many first read targets as I thought.
85:16And then Luther Burden is in a mostly playing of like, he's put a 75% of the, of the routes out there
85:22and that's enough, but he hasn't done quite enough individually to me, like to like fully expect this crazy breakout.
85:28Uh, I think all the three of these guys could have some moments here.
85:32I don't trust any of them in fantasy. Um, but the bears project for 26 and a quarter points.
85:37And like, to me, that's the difference is like the last couple of weeks, like we weren't expecting them to score 26 and a quarter points.
85:45That's on the road as well. And Caleb Williams first game back.
85:48So I'm not completely throwing out, but I wouldn't be surprised if this next off season, the fantasy content we talk, start
85:55talking about from week six on the bears X, Y, and Z starts happening.
85:59And you know, that would not be surprising at all.
86:02I totally hear you on that. Um, the real breakout though, of the bears has been their rushing attack.
86:07I mean, this is just carrying over exactly what they did last season.
86:11And we know prior to last week, it was really common on guy with 30 plus carries.
86:16Unfortunately in that game, when getting 30 plus carries cabin on guy has the turf toe, which is a big deal.
86:22Turf toe absolutely sucks. Um, it was notable to me that in this game and albeit they were losing quite a bit
86:28that it really wasn't a 50, 50 split that the swift and man guy typically have.
86:33It was all swift until the fourth quarter. That's when Roshan Johnson got all five of his targets.
86:38So, uh, in a game environment that man guy almost certainly is not going to play and should be a positive one.
86:44Um, Deandre Swift could finish as a top five running back this week easily.
86:48Yeah. It'll be very aggressively ranked on tomorrow's running back ranking show, especially if man guys out.
86:53Love that. Okay. Let's talk about the Cincinnati Bengals.
86:56Um, you know, talked about Zach Taylor a lot in the past.
86:59One of my favorite play calls of the week.
87:02Zach Taylor had, it was near the goal line.
87:04First and goal at the two. They were only up by seven at this point.
87:08Very cool stuff in terms of utilizing personnel to your advantage.
87:12Uh, they went six offensive linemen and three tight ends.
87:15Okay. So that means it was just chase Brown and Joe Burr in the backfield and just a bunch of big dudes.
87:21The dolphins match defensively with just one safety out there.
87:24So then the Bengals go empty and then they find the tight end who was versus the linebacker instead of the tight end.
87:30That's versus the safety. And they just throw it to him for a touchdown.
87:34That is Tanner Hudson. Unfortunately, Tanner Hudson is now an injury reserve is going to miss the season.
87:39And I'm sure Hayden, if the defense came out in small personnel, they just would have run the ball with chase Brown.
87:46And maybe that actually would have equaled fancy points for chase Brown.
87:49We haven't gotten many of those this season. Yeah.
87:52Chase Brown had the fumble and smudge is playing like, you know, totally fine.
87:56Backup running back. And, you know, he just has not broken enough tackles and not create enough explosives.
88:01Like my big picture takeaway from watching that game is just, it's the same Bengals offense.
88:06It's, you know, shotgun, spread them out on occasion, run the ball under center.
88:10But for the most part, shotgun runs and just live with the consequences of that pretty static offense.
88:15And, you know, I got T Higgins and Jamar Chase look totally fine coming off of their injuries.
88:20And they have the bye weeks to kind of figure out things.
88:23But to me, there's like not much to figure out.
88:26It's like the same playbook that they've been running for the last five years.
88:30So I think the small JP run stuff could like come and go like this.
88:35But I think for the most part, Chase Brown's going to end up being like an upside RB to like, let's say
88:41he's like around like the RB 10 and rest of season rankings.
88:44He's not going to pay off where you drafted him.
88:47He's not going to be a total bust. Their schedule, like, you know, they face some pretty difficult opponents.
88:53And that's, I think, really hurt Chase Brown. And there will be games where they score 36 points and Chase Brown scores
88:59two touchdowns to kind of make up for it eventually.
89:02I mean, so you're basically saying that the last three weeks that we've called Chase Brown a bye low, we're going to
89:08continue to do it until he's not a bye low anymore.
89:11Basically, every bye low, you drop him two spots in the positional rankings as the bye low.
89:16And you just keep saying it. But yeah, he's he like I said, the recap show.
89:21He's not as good as the other running backs that he was drafted around.
89:25And I think that's it was all environmental and that he was getting 80 percent of the work, you know.
89:31And if that drops from 80 percent to 60 percent, that that's a pretty big deal.
89:35By the way, if you're watching us on live on the Yahoo Sports Network, we're signing off there right now.
89:41But you can hop on over to the Yahoo Fantasy page with Josh and Hayden on YouTube to watch the rest of the show.
89:48Just on that note with the Bengals. Yeah, I mean.
89:51We're going to learn just how much the Bengals staff likes Chase Brown early on when they next hit the field after this bye week.
89:58Right. Are they going to forget about the mistakes?
90:01Are they going to forget about the fumbles? Are they going to do all that and just go right back to Chase
90:07Brown and him getting 80, 85 percent of the workload?
90:10Because truly in the Bengals scoring and points environment and then that amount of work in terms of the percent of backdoor
90:16touches, that was the entire theory of drafting Chase Brown in round two.
90:20And if that drops down 20 percent, then that's catastrophic for us.
90:23Yep. Yeah. Okay. Dallas Cowboys. I have a defensive note to start.
90:27So since the start of 2025, we know Josh Allen has been the quarterback one.
90:31Whichever quarterback faces the Cowboys has been the second best scoring fantasy quarterback since the start of last season.
90:36So keep that in mind when you're streaming quarterbacks every week now.
90:40Yeah, that secondary hasn't been fixed with Caleb Downs.
90:42Their cornerback room has been really bad. Maybe Joey Porter helps solve that a little bit.
90:47But, you know, very inexperienced, including with the play caller defensively.
90:50And that's totally fine if you have any of these Cowboys players on offense for fantasy, because this team is going to
90:57be like the go to shootout team for the rest of the year.
91:00Um, that's going to include this Packers game upcoming this week.
91:03Um, I think that CD lamb is going to be fine.
91:07Uh, I heard you talk about floor annoy on the waiver wire show.
91:10Go, go check that out. I'm assuming that he's going to be out there.
91:14And then we're just going to start evening out the CD lamb to George pick and split that we had earlier this season.
91:21And it's probably going to end up right where we drafted these guys were CD lambs, the wide receiver for George pickens
91:27is the wide receiver 10 and Dak Prescott is in the MVP race with, you know, like 5,000 passing yards because the defense can't stop anybody.
91:35So like I haven't really learned anything from the Cowboys except people really panic on George pickens.
91:40And the second people start panicking about George pickens buy him as quickly as you can.
91:44Our entire week to stats versus film of last season was people freaking out.
91:48Why didn't George pick and score a lot in the opener?
91:51You guys talked about him so much. Well, it's because he was facing the Philadelphia Eagles.
91:56Uh, and then he just goes on to have a monster season.
91:59So yeah, he is the buy low that turned into a correct buy and you probably got him at a ridiculous rate.
92:06Um, on top of that. But here's our death league update of the week.
92:10I know you guys love these. I still have money to spend and both CD lamb and Ted erotic millen are out there to be purchased.
92:17They're all yours. So I better end up with one.
92:20I better end up with one. That's for sure.
92:23Okay. Let's talk about the Detroit lions. It's a very straightforward offense.
92:26This is the game that Jameson Williams actually scored points in.
92:29We talked about it. There was a three levels concept.
92:32He was the deep, deep, deep shot. And it definitely hit.
92:35Now that is the Arizona Cardinals that we're talking about on the opposite side.
92:39But I love the same Laporta stuff on top of it, Hayden, that they were nails when it came to third and fourth down conversions.
92:47And especially Sam Laporta in third and fourth down conversions.
92:49And that was a theory of the pick for me that drew Petsing on certain gotta have it situations as primary reads.
92:56He typically goes to tight ends quite often. Yeah.
92:58Yeah. Laporta is going to be lights out. He's a tight end for untied in for usage.
93:03That's a 20% target share with everybody healthy. Like what happens if there's another injury to any of the lions, other skill players.
93:10And like, that's how you can like truly be one of the best picks out there.
93:14I remember in the expert league, like they were like a big cliff.
93:18And then you took Laporta like way earlier than other people expected.
93:22And I love the pick. And like, that was the absolute best move that you could have made this, this lion secondary
93:28is just like not going to get it done this year.
93:31And this offense is absolutely cooking with gas. And, you know, if anything ever happens to a Monra or Jamison or Jameer
93:37Gibbs, the other three are going to go absolutely crazy.
93:40So congrats to those that, you know, started Jamo.
93:43We were due for a big game and we got it.
93:46And all these guys are just going to be, I think, end up being good picks.
93:51Yeah, I believe they're in a bye week. Correct me if I'm wrong.
93:54So just another change after making the expert league.
93:57That team freaking sucks. And Hayden, you just complimented him because you don't have to face Sam Laporta this week because we are going up against each other.
94:05So it's a no contest. Let's be honest. That's why you talk nice about one of my picks.
94:10I mean, it truly is. My team is injured or on byes for the rest of eternity.
94:15I have nothing else to say about the lions.
94:18Do you? I mean, this is just a really good offense and we know the players that are on them.
94:23Yeah, I think Gibbs is like, you know, the RB five all time through five weeks.
94:28You know, like by far the best pick you could have made.
94:31Like we talked about it. Which which spot should you draft this year?
94:35If it's up to you, you take that first overall pick.
94:38And if he's healthy this season, you're probably going to win.
94:41Well, we also talked a lot about Green Bay Packers wide receivers.
94:45And boy, they've been amazing. Christian Watson is the wide receiver three on the season.
94:49Matthew Golden, the wide receiver 14 on the season.
94:52I mean, it's glorious. We went through years of a rotation of four, five names.
94:56And like Hayden, these are the two best value picks on the board at wide receiver.
95:01And it's not even close from July and August and September.
95:04Yeah, you needed the running backs in the first couple rounds unless you had JSN and I guess Puka moving forward.
95:10And then you needed to clean up on Parker Washington, the Packers wide receivers.
95:14And that was it. And I hope that you guys did that because that's what we kind of talked about for a lot of the offseason.
95:21All we talked about. I mean, I really hope like I really hope you took at least Matthew Golden.
95:27We did not shut up about him, but we also talked about Christian Watson.
95:31Look, they just they don't use the third wide receiver anymore.
95:34The ground game is what it is. Like shout out to Marshawn Lloyd for, you know, truck sticking Jalen Johnson and then goes untouched.
95:41And I didn't see that Marshawn Lloyd like played that well aside from the truck stick.
95:45Like the Packers offensive line was actually clearing space against the Bears, which was like super refreshing.
95:50That was the first time that had happened the entire season.
95:53I just think Matthew Golden is like actually really good at football.
95:57Like this is not some scam and he's a running hot and stuff.
96:01He is stacking corners immediately and he has got awesome speed and his catch radius for his size is remarkable.
96:06He can jump. He caught that ball and pulled it away from the defender instantly on these big deep passes as well.
96:13So like Matthew Golden is not just like a good fancy pick.
96:16Like he's going to be one of the better wide receivers in the NFL for years to come.
96:21And he's going to be an awesome dynasty asset for anyone that was still holding on after that pretty mediocre rookie season.
96:28And even myself, who was skeptical that he could emerge into that player, was talking about him relentlessly this summer because it
96:34just made total sense as an easy pick in that spot because they were banking on him becoming that type of a player.
96:41And you're able to draft him where if he did miss, it did nothing to your fancy team.
96:46Like, yeah, he was the easiest pick on the board.
96:49Truly at his value, whatever platform that you use and especially on Yahoo, he was the easiest pick on the board this summer.
96:55Sure. I also think that this game, I understand he didn't do that much, but in terms of creating yards on his
97:02own and looking explosive and looking like a dynamic runner.
97:04But this did a lot to me for Marshawn Lloyd keeping and holding on to and maybe even running away with the
97:11backfield in this current state of it. And especially with Chris Brooks going on injured reserve for the next four games.
97:17Yeah. Caleb came in for like cleanup duties. He had a big run, but he had fumbled the week prior.
97:23So they went to Marshawn Lloyd. He finished with the two rushing touchdowns.
97:26We did have a big Josh Jacobs update. So all these reporters keep hitting up the police department because the judge had
97:33said that the police department is going to decide if the video is going to get released or not.
97:38And there was just an update from the police department just before going live here that they're not going to release that
97:44for the time being because there's appeals going from, I think, the victim side and Josh Jacobs.
97:49Neither of them want the video out there. And why this is relevant is one, I'm pretty sure the NFL wants to
97:56either see the video or it's going to get released.
97:58They want to have at least some idea of what's on there.
98:02But we're now at the point where five games have been passed.
98:05Typically with domestic violence cases in the NFL, it's a six game suspension.
98:09There's some precedent where Dell has held them on the exempt list until about the six ish game and then says, OK, your time serves.
98:16Give us back the money that you were supposed to make.
98:19And now it's like that's your suspension. We're at that point.
98:23But I'm pretty sure that Dell and his team are probably really pushing Jacobs to show them what that video is.
98:29And they could theoretically threaten him to say, you're not coming off until we see this video.
98:33But in the other environment, there's a chance that, you know, the six games come and go.
98:38And Dell has a kind of no choice saying like, hey, you're going to miss six games because of domestic violence.
98:44Anyways, time served is coming. So long story short, lots of uncertainty here.
98:48It sounds like the police department's eventually going to release the video on there.
98:52We'll see what that includes. There's kind of, you know, a big time gray area there.
98:57And obviously from the teams in the NFL, the PR, we're talking about such a gray area here.
99:02But in theory, like we're getting close to where something material is going to happen in the Josh Jacobs case.
99:08Like you said, gray area kind of pointless to predict these things.
99:11I highly doubt the NFL is going to take any action until they see this video because it's going to get leaked
99:17at some point on top of it. So, OK, let's talk about the Indianapolis Colts coming up next.
99:23This is a seven foot ceiling offense. Unfortunately, that has limited, you know, the Josh Downs and Tyler Warren stuff up to this point.
99:29But, hey, I thought that this was going into a game, a scripted stance from Shane Steichen to say, hey, we have
99:36to upgrade Tyler Warren with a bit more downfield stuff.
99:39They got him on leak patterns. They got him on over routes.
99:42They got him just on more generic stuff versus just the six, seven, four yards.
99:46I mean, he had the lowest a dot of any non running back in the league entering this week.
99:52And to me, that's a really positive point in his direction because Steichen knows what his offense is at this stage.
99:58And I think that means that Tyler Warren will continue to be the most productive part of their passing game.
100:04I think it was the most substantial Tyler Warren game of his career in terms of what it means for his fantasy status.
100:10Moving forward, he was already, you know, top 10 fantasy tight end.
100:14But like you said, it was way different usage watching the games.
100:17You can see it on the chart right there.
100:20His a dot with Alec Pierce is four and a half yards downfield without Alec Pierce.
100:24It's at six and a half. Like that's a little bit of a difference, but it's like the type of route that
100:31they're still going to manufacture some touches. But they're like forcing him to kind of win on some of these crossing routes, big outbreaking routes.
100:38And I think he's like good enough at them.
100:40Like I don't think he's the best in the world, but he's more than capable of doing that.
100:46And then as a little bonus, fullback dive right up the middle wasn't a tush push, but I know that they wrecked that on occasion as well.
100:53But not every tight end in the NFL is getting fullback dives for touchdowns as a little cherry on top.
100:59So I think he's a top 10, top five tight end for the next couple of weeks.
101:04And if Alec Pierce doesn't return, like I think that this usage is a it's a pretty big deal for him.
101:10I'm surprised we just didn't see him do the tush push.
101:13I mean, he did that in college at the quarterback spot, too, and got like six, seven rushing touchdowns out of it.
101:19But no, they wanted to hand it off instead.
101:22And he kind of got there on the second phase of the play.
101:26Anything you want to say about Josh Downs? I think I saw you post that this is a Josh Downs week.
101:32Does that mean it's seven catches for 63 yards?
101:34Yeah, I mean, but seven catches for 63 yards, like that's better than a lot of wide receiver threes at this point.
101:41Yeah, this is my new data viz. Get ready to see a lot of it moving forward on this show.
101:46We have the wide receiver rankings video to talk about it.
101:50But just for this matchup against the Tennessee Titans, a lot of like underneath production, quick hitting stuff in theory for Josh Downs.
101:56The reality is he's playing more snaps. That's a win.
101:59His eight odd is up a little bit. That's a win.
102:02Is he the best player in the world in this role?
102:05He's not. I think he's a fine player. But like you said, like the lid on this offense is going to prevent him from going crazy.
102:13The Colts do project for 26 points, though. So like, you know, there's reasons why I'm tweeting.
102:18You know, there's a there's a Josh Downs week incoming.
102:21Just like mentally prepare yourselves for what that means.
102:23That means I'm going to be ranking as like my wide receiver 24.
102:27So get excited. OK, next are the Kansas City Chiefs.
102:30They are coming out of the by. We still don't have an answer on who was replacing Taequann Thornton, who was their
102:36most desirable wide receiver prior to his ankle injury.
102:39It should not be Xavier worthy. Who do you want to see?
102:42What do you want to see from the Chiefs here?
102:45I mean, they signed Justin Watson. That's that's our answer for now.
102:48I really do think they're going to be, you know, this could absolutely be a Jerry Judy team.
102:54I think the Brian Thomas stuff would stylistically make sense.
102:57Like there's enough, you know, Calvin Ridley's out there for them to upgrade this spot.
103:01So, yeah, I don't think we're gonna get that anytime soon.
103:04And like, let's say they trade for Jerry Judy in a couple of weeks from now.
103:09Like if there's still a ramp up period that exists.
103:11So for for now, I'm waiting on Rashi Rice news.
103:14If he's going to play in this one and like Xavier worthy and Travis Kelsey are going to project extremely well.
103:20Given the circumstances, like the home stuff has looked really good.
103:24He's coming off the bye week. You know, Xavier worthy catches a couple passes in the manufacturer department.
103:29And gets a couple chances out there. They're not saying he's a good good player.
103:33But, you know, if Rashi Rice isn't at full speed, then like it's it's it's it's gonna be Xavier worthy Jalen Royals.
103:39You know, frickin Cyrus Allen this next week. Like that's that might be what it is.
103:44I can't wait to see where you rank wide receiver 61 in points per game.
103:48Xavier worthy this week. Tune into Friday's episode only only for that.
103:52Okay. We'll move on. Because the Las Vegas Raiders are next and they have one of the best wide receivers in the league.
103:58And his name is Brock Bowers. Oh, yeah. Brock Bowers is averaging 19.7 points per game at this point.
104:04That's better than the wide receiver three on the season.
104:07That's also 5.7 more than the tight end two on the season.
104:10Hayden, you know this. We recorded 100 shows this summer.
104:13But in one of them, I joked tongue in cheek a little bit that you can draft Amon Ross St.
104:19Brown in round one and then you can draft Amon Ross St.
104:22Brown in round two. Wasn't a joke. It's coming to fruition because not only does Brock Bowers give you again 5.7 points
104:28ahead of the second best tight end in fantasy.
104:31I'll be at him as the first two games.
104:34He's giving you legit top three wide receiver production.
104:36That is incredible stuff. Yeah, his eight outs nine and a half yards down the field to average up the target.
104:42He's averaging 108 air yards per game. The next closest is 70 yards for Isaiah likely and then only Dalton Kade's higher and the a dot.
104:50So like where he's being utilized is closer to JSN than like any other tight end.
104:54Really? It's it's remarkable what he's doing. He was dunking on everybody.
104:58I'm sure you went back and watch those highlights like.
105:01Oh, yeah, the corners that they put on him were way too small and like that's just kind of the the predicament that teams are getting them in.
105:09Same thing two weeks ago against Kool-Aid McKinstry. He was just like Duncan all over him.
105:13You know, like he's this is what a Hall of Fame talent looks like.
105:17So him versus training bride and then a huge tear down to the Laporta likely Tyler Warren tier Kittle in that mix.
105:24But man, like we're looking at like two of the best all time receiving tight ends in fantasy right now.
105:29And I do think that Brock Bowers probably goes like 10th overall for redrafting to that.
105:34Yeah, I totally agree with you on on all of that.
105:37He is. I mean, he finds one corner out there that is a few inches shorter and you isolate him and Kirk
105:43is throwing the ball up to give him these opportunities.
105:46And he is coming down with it and he gets easy.
105:49He gets open too easily against, you know, the zone linebackers.
105:53And then he even like pulls away after the catch against these corners because they try to grab him and bring him
105:59to the ground and they physically can't do it.
106:01Like one on one against these corners when they're in trail technique.
106:05He drags them for an extra seven, eight, 12 yards on top of it and just choose up that ground.
106:11So he's even winning as the point man in the stack.
106:14Like we talk all the time about getting easy releases as the second stack person.
106:18He's at the forefront and he's creating separation for himself against these corners.
106:22It is insane what Brock Bowers is doing right now.
106:25So he's immediately the best player in the field.
106:27It's like not even close. Not even close. Okay, let's talk Ashen Genty then.
106:31So you can look at any chart you want data points that you want.
106:35There's some really bad stuff in terms of the underlying metrics for Ashen Genty.
106:39But Hayden, if you look at the opportunity and there's one chart that I'm looking at where he has inside the five
106:46yard line percent of touches and target percentage for his team.
106:49He's in the top right next to Chris McCaffrey, B.
106:52John Robinson and Jameer Gibbs as all the players that we want in fantasy football base on opportunity because that is the
106:58number one thing that we talked about with running backs.
107:01So why is it working for those guys and it's not working for Ashen Genty?
107:05How long do we have? Well, the first thing is that the Raiders are they're better, but they've had a pretty softish schedule.
107:12And then I think last week really struggled aside from the Patriots or against the Patriots aside from Brock Bowers there on other charts.
107:19He's nowhere near the trend line because he's the most like inefficient, like starting running back in the league right now.
107:25And I absolutely think that the interior offensive line is still very much a work in progress.
107:30And I would also mention Tyler Linderbaum has been an upgrade at center, but he is to me not worth the 30 million dollars.
107:37There's still like too many mistakes I've seen on tape.
107:39So I think part of that is the the the offensive line.
107:43I still just watch Ashen Genty and like he breaks some serious tackles like when he's on contact exactly like the way he did at Boise State.
107:51I think there's a couple reps on these power runs where he's not hiding behind his pulling guard and he's either bouncing
107:57it or when he is trying to jump across a hole.
108:00It just takes too long to get there. I think that some of the the zone stuff he's just not hit it
108:06hard enough and not has not made quick enough decisions.
108:09And I think even when he is making quick enough decisions, he just does not have the burst like everybody else.
108:15And this is what I've noticed from him. I'm not surprised that his yards before contact is once again bottom 10.
108:21That's an offensive line stat. But if you do look at like the other bottom 10 running backs in that metric, they're
108:28like the 10 slowest running backs in the NFL.
108:30And like that to me is the worry with Ashen Genty.
108:33And he just dropped a lot of passes and he's a better receiver than what he's done there.
108:39He's going to hit more explosive than he has to date.
108:42But I do think just like his lack of burst in like I think his kind of indecisiveness right now, I do
108:48think is making him a worse pick at the absolute margins.
108:51I think he needs a bit more runway than I originally thought.
108:55And maybe some of that is the injury he's coming back from.
108:58But to really get up to speed to reel off big plays, he kind of does need to be given those first few steps.
109:05Now he had this reception that went for what, 20 plus yards on the outside that I thought he looked fast, looked
109:11explosive, looked agile, was like kind of weaving and bobbing and creating some space on top of it.
109:16And we're just not seeing that enough. And I don't think it's all on him, but some of it is on him, you know?
109:23Yeah. And if we take out week one, which some of you might want to and some might not.
109:29Again, he's a running back 20 outside of that.
109:31So there are certainly lesser running backs that are ahead of him.
109:35I also want to talk about the other part of this running back room, Hayden, because I thought the Dylan Lowby usage was interesting here.
109:42I mean, he got legit snaps in the middle of the first quarter when the team was down seven, nothing over Mike Washington.
109:49When we had seen and heard that Mike Washington was going to get more and more work.
109:54Do you have any read on this at all?
109:56Yeah, I don't do any trust Astrid Gentian pass protection.
109:59And I know they don't trust Mike Washington pass protection.
110:02And Dylan Lowby is that's what he's there to do.
110:05So I think it's been a couple of weeks in a row where they're like trying to do like a little bit of a hot hand approach.
110:12But this game got carried away early because the Patriots scored points quickly.
110:16And when they weren't going to be running the ball downhill and it was going to be more of a pass first
110:23game, then it's going to be a lot more Dylan Lowby out there.
110:26And then unfortunately, Ashton Gentry gets him down to the goal line.
110:30Then Dylan Lowby scores the touchdown. So, you know, that was like a bottoming out for the Ashton Gentry stuff.
110:35He was still the RB 17 and expected points because he's going to catch some passes in those environments.
110:41But I do think his snaps aren't as high because I think, you know, Kubiak cares about the pass protection stuff maybe a little bit more.
110:48And you can see them like they'll get him out in the route like really quickly rather than kind of holding him into protection.
110:55And I think that in some negative game scripts like this, he'll catch some passes, but there will be like a loss of snaps.
111:02But that is not going to go to Mike Washington and like these really negative game scripts because they don't trust him in that environment either.
111:10Like Mike Washington is like a close game, gets the hot hand and carries it.
111:14And then any other game script, he's just not going to be on the field at all.
111:19And this is one of those games like the Raiders are projected for a lot of points against the Buffalo Bills with
111:25over 24, but they're also five and a half point home underdogs here.
111:29So we need Ashton just need to catch passes this week.
111:32What it comes down to and be effective early as as a ball carrier.
111:36Let's talk about the Miami Dolphins. Ollie Gordon, back to back weeks.
111:40I asked the question last week of, hey, should we have kind of looked in the mirror and said any running back
111:46that was going to be the lead ball carrier, the feature back, no matter if it's the worst offense in the league or bottom four.
111:53We should just prioritize that more than kind of looking and turning over every single page and every single detail and maybe overthinking this a little bit.
112:01Yeah, every single year you're going to talk about hundreds of players and you're going to get things absolutely wrong and then
112:07you're going to double down on them and then you'll get them wrong again.
112:11And that's exactly what I did with Ollie Gordon here.
112:14Like, you know, you think back on the season, you're like, I wish I took back a couple of things.
112:20And like Ollie Gordon absolutely is one of them.
112:22He was the RB5 and expected points this last outing 18 carries.
112:26So, yeah, he's like clearly the guy over Jalen Wright.
112:29And he's earned it. He's run with a lot of power.
112:32He's a much bigger guy than Jalen Wright. And, you know, it's starting to work a little bit here.
112:37I was not trying to get that statement out.
112:40No, I needed to get that off my chest because, you know, I've seen the comments and guess what?
112:45The comments this time were absolutely right. Yeah. You did get a reprieve from Ollie Gordon there on a bye this week.
112:52So, yeah. Well, yeah. My other thing is what's funny is I really liked Ollie Gordon last preseason.
112:57If you remember, like coming into his rookie season, he was having some preseason moments and all that type of stuff.
113:03And then obviously he did nothing. He got injured during his rookie year and all that stuff.
113:08But yeah, I mean, he's he's showing some goods.
113:10He had obviously the long runs against the Minnesota Vikings.
113:13And then he's just their every down player basically on top of it.
113:17And I did look at Malik Washington stuff that I think he's the wide receiver 32 ish in half EPR and then
113:23around the wide receiver 26 in full EPR. You can do a lot worse than the wide receiver 26 in full PPR.
113:30And that's even better over the last three weeks than it was the first two weeks since Devon HN has gone down.
113:36Totally agree. I will say the one thing that's been driving us with Miami is, you know, people pretending that Devon HN
113:42was gonna be some terrible fantasy pick this year.
113:45And like, you know, maybe he wasn't going to be like the best 14th overall pick.
113:49But Ollie Gordon has finished as the RB 13, 12 and 13 in the last three games without Devon HN.
113:55You really telling me that Devon HN was gonna make catch more passes and rip off more explosives than Ollie Gordon.
114:01Like I think the premature like Devon HN was a terrible pick.
114:05I think that's a little rich for me. Well, if I get to do that for Deshaun's dribbling, then you certainly get to do that for Devon HN.
114:13That's for sure. Minnesota Vikings. I have a lot to say.
114:16In terms of actually playing quarterback, I thought Kyler Murray was extremely poor in this game.
114:20I know they won. I know the Vikings are what five and oh at this point.
114:25But Kyler Murray reverted back to exactly who he was with the Arizona Cardinals in like the worst ways possible.
114:31Now, his movement was a huge asset here. He ran for over 50 yards when he didn't like what he saw, when he didn't feel comfortable, he extended.
114:39Unfortunately, Hayden, I think that he used that as a crutch way too often.
114:43And then there were just massive turndowns when they were wide open wide receivers or throws the NFL quarterback should make.
114:49Like 32 seconds left in the half when they're working to get in field goal range.
114:53He does the hokey pokey in the pocket instead of firing the pass to Justin Jefferson for a first down.
114:59There was another play that he actually seems to do the correct thing in terms of holding the flat defender to the running back on the outside.
115:07And then instead of, again, throwing to Justin Jefferson, argue the best wide receiver in the league on a perfect corner route.
115:13He works off of that because there's a little bit of pressure in his face that is running back correctly picked up.
115:20And he aborts it, aborts it and checks it out.
115:22There were two big time crossing routes, both wide open and one to Juwan Jennings to the left corner.
115:28And then one to, I think, Ty Felton, who was working underneath and still would have been for a first down.
115:34And he falls away from the throw again because he flinches at the pass rush and it goes incomplete.
115:39So these are passes that much lesser quarterbacks have made in a Kevin O'Connell offense.
115:44And as like the first real test of Kyler and Justin Jefferson playing together for four quarters, Hayden, I really didn't like
115:50what I saw from my throwing standpoint here from Kyler.
115:53Yeah, I think the way you put it, that he wasn't playing quarterback well, I agreed with.
115:58But Kyler Murray did do a lot of, you know, like the really nice throws to the perimeter and downfield and scrambled
116:04around enough where I can still hold out hope.
116:07Like this is a great time for the Vikings to have a bye.
116:10They're dealing with a lot of injuries, including not having their left tackle and left guard.
116:15They're going to get their left tackle back after the bye week.
116:18Same thing with Jordan Addison coming back. But Kyler Murray like needs to like sit there, like really, you know, rewatch the games.
116:25And I'm sure Kevin O'Connell is like, this is the throw.
116:28You have to just trust it and let it go.
116:31And yeah, there was a little bit too much dancing for me.
116:34So I agree with you. I think I'm just taking more of an optimistic angle that throughout the season, like it'll get a little bit better.
116:42But there was definitely some like, you know, pretty poor moments for him.
116:46But he can still throw the ball really well and he can still run really, really fast.
116:51And I do think Kevin O'Connell is still a good coach.
116:54So I think this will like sort itself out a little bit better.
116:57But here's my question. Kyler spent all offseason healthy as a part of this group and practiced and learned the offense and did all that.
117:05What is more likely to happen that he figures it out as the season goes along or that this is the exact
117:11same stuff that got him benched in Arizona? And he's still not pulling the trigger here with Minnesota.
117:16Is he just going to figure that out in the bye week?
117:20And it's going to be fine as the season goes along.
117:23To me, it's more likely that this is kind of just who he is as a quarterback now.
117:28Yeah, I think it'll probably be somewhere in the middle.
117:31Like, you know, he's got limitations and he's not done things.
117:34And then he's been pretty good at other things.
117:37I think they're going to have to live with the results.
117:40This is going to be one of those teams that they're going to throw the ball really far down the field.
117:46And how many of those get completed or not is going to depend, you know, a kind of bunch of factors.
117:52And they're at least running the ball a little bit better this year than like, you know, with like the Sam Darnold
117:58year, the last year of like Kirk Cousins. Like those are like really one dimensional offenses where there's at least a couple
118:04more ways that they can figure things out in 2026.
118:07And I think that will probably kind of save things.
118:10I don't think he's like at risk of getting benched the season or anything like that.
118:15Like, I think that they're going to make this thing work enough.
118:18Is it going to be enough to like make a real run?
118:22We'll have to wait and see. But I think that this I think this offense is going to be totally fine.
118:28I mean, I guess that's my point. Like for a five and O team that has the number one defense in the NFL, your aspiration should be massive.
118:36The Vikings were kind of in this spot a couple of years ago with Sam Darnold.
118:40And, you know, he had a rough playoff game and some other rough moments.
118:44But I don't know if like Kyler is going to be able to step up in that time.
118:49Like, again, he went for 50 plus rushing yards.
118:52He looked super fast. He got to the edge at the same time.
118:56Like that is the New Orleans Saints defense right now.
118:59And they stink. They stink. So I'm a bit nervous of of what we're going to see.
119:04Like there are going to be moments where he has to make the throws that he was turning down.
119:09And it just in a large sample at this moment, Kyler is turning down those throws versus actually making them as an NFL player.
119:16Yeah, I do believe that the Vikings are the best team in this division.
119:20And I think they're going to win like the 13 games because that defense is so good and their offense is going to look a lot better.
119:28And you just never know. Like this is like the perfect era for a quarterback with limitations to go out there and get it done in the playoffs.
119:36Because this defense like really is like copy paste.
119:38So good. They're so well coached. They're so smart.
119:41They're getting defense alignment, making big plays on top of that.
119:44But and then you still got, you know, maybe the best wide receiver in the game where number 18.
119:49So the other part of it was. I thought uncharacteristically, KOC tried some.
119:53Extraordinary place in terms of like the double reverse pass the ball.
119:57He tried a throwback from the wide receiver screen.
119:59I don't typically associate that with KOC. So maybe he thought that with how Kyler's playing, he has to somewhat try to manufacture these explosives from somewhere.
120:07That's just a thought that I had. I threaded these all on on Twitter.
120:11If you guys I want to show my work when I'm this harsh on someone.
120:15So go and check that out if if everyone wants to.
120:18But your point in Aaron Jones stands. I thought Aaron Jones has been exceptional over these last three games.
120:24And that should continue when when Jordan Mason comes back, too, because you only get better in that running back room.
120:30I agree. Let's talk about the New England Patriots.
120:33Then we've discussed this Patriots backfield at length and how it really doesn't matter unless there's only one running back that stands.
120:39Hayden, only one running back stands. Ramondre Stevenson is in there.
120:42Driven Henderson, unfortunately, has a high ankle sprain. So for as long as Ramondre Stevenson is the only big boy in the
120:48backfield for the Patriots, is he going to rank in your top 15?
120:52So looking at it, week one, RB 14 expected points.
120:55Last two weeks, RB 22 and RB 16 with, you know, Travion Henderson in and out of the lineup there.
121:01Yeah. Corey Kiner fumbles the ball immediately. It's like this is going to be the Ramondre Steven show when games are close.
121:07And they started figuring out a couple things. Nate Tice on the 301 recap show was talking about some of the protection changes that they were making.
121:15Some different like formational changes that looked improved this last week versus earlier on.
121:19And then like players like, you know, Efton Chisholm, Kyle Williams, those guys like making a couple more plays.
121:24So they're back to top 10 projected points. And Ramondre, he's not going to be at 100% snaps, but it'll be 80 of them.
121:31And he's going to get all the high value touches.
121:34And that's good enough for me. Yeah. AJ Brown will come back at some point, but if you're looking for the dude
121:40who played in two wide receiver sets, that was Efton Chisholm.
121:43Most of the time played on 31 to 45 dropbacks.
121:46That was an interesting thing to go back and look at.
121:50That's for sure. When we did through the waivers, I mean, he played the most and ran the most routes in two
121:56wide receiver sets, even more than Romeo Dobbs this past week.
121:59By the way, Romeo did nothing in the box score, but he drew a couple very key defensive pass interference plays that probably would have gone for explosives.
122:07And then he also had two red zone or end zone opportunities, contested catch situations that he did not come down with.
122:13So like, you know, he did absolutely nothing in the box score.
122:17I thought just like his involvement in the game and his ability to have big moments like still remain there.
122:23Like not when AJ Brown comes back, but if we get another kind of rental week here from Romeo Dobbs, I think
122:29that you can still do a lot worse. New Orleans Saints are up next.
122:33The seat is sizzling. I mean, we can dive into multiple Nick Underhill tweets over the last couple of days.
122:39There was one today that team owner Gail Benson said, quote, I will not make excuses and I will not accept this level of performance as our standard.
122:47Uh, the Saints play the New York Giants this week.
122:50Uh, they are favored by a half a point on the road.
122:53I will say Hayden. More of a fantasy football lens to this.
122:56Tyler Shuck. Seemingly a broken hand wearing a glove on it.
123:00I'm sure a cast underneath that. He's at the point where he's handing off everything with his right hand, even if it's
123:06supposed to be with the other one. He had two horrific interceptions here.
123:10His left tackle is down. This is one of those situations that I get nervous that a player loses faith and comfort in his environment.
123:17He stops trusting the protection. Uh, we've seen this with a lot of other quarterbacks and then that kind of can snowball from there.
123:24So a guy that was willing early on in the season to stick in there and fire these shots down the field.
123:30Uh, I wouldn't be surprised at all. And I'm not putting this as a negative that any quarterback that gets hit this much in this hard.
123:38That can happen too. And then we get worse and worse and fewer big plays from it.
123:42Yeah. Didn't have the rushing yards like he typically does as well.
123:46I think that's hand related. I think it's a great note on the handle ball from the other side.
123:51That also limits like the type of runs that you can run as well.
123:55So you become a little bit more predictable. This tight end group can't block.
123:59The running back group can't block. So a very predictable kind of format for the Vikings.
124:04Uh, this week, the giants, we'll get to the commanders in a second.
124:08The giants defense did a lot of the Flores kind of attacking stuff, especially late in that game against the commanders.
124:14And I think teams are just going to keep on doing that against the saints and live with the one-on-one results to
124:20Chris Olave, uh, down the field, because this team just cannot protect the edges and in the backfield.
124:25And with Tyler Shuck kind of just like melting down, uh, I think that is a recipe for disaster and you can't trust any of the running backs.
124:33Obviously I think Juwan Johnson stuff is like going to come and go.
124:37Um, I'm surprised it's like Kellen Moore, like does Mickey Loomis just gets, does he just get this job for life?
124:43Like truly like, like this is his 22nd season.
124:46You know, they, they aren't linked together because obviously Loomis has been there far longer, uh, and also used to be a
124:52part of the New Orleans Pelican staff, I believe until he fully went over here.
124:56Uh, cause Jeff Ireland has been a long time confidant, uh, here with the saints as well.
125:01Um, under Hill posted another tweet that says, uh, I said, if they lose the game here against the giants, I'm not
125:07sure they'll be able to survive as in the circumstances will be so stacked against them that getting their footing back could be impossible.
125:14So it wouldn't be an immediate thing, but it could just set them up for, Hey, this is your second straight losing season.
125:21Uh, on top of that, they've lost what three straight to the Atlanta Falcons, which we talked about last week as a
125:27big deal to the fan base down there that it might just the ownership after just two seasons might just decide that
125:34there's not enough positives and a trending positive direction, which is surprising.
125:37Cause I think Kelly Moore is good at his job.
125:40He'd be the number one. I think OC play caller, uh, option out there on the cycle.
125:45If he does get fired. Yeah. To me, like, I mean, how many more years Mickey loom is like to be actually need?
125:51Like it's kind of comes down to that for me.
125:54Well, let's talk about this New York giants that you brought up.
125:58Uh, I, I covered this game on Sunday. Uh, I talked about how they all played poorly for three quarters and then
126:04especially Jameis then the fourth quarter, you know, we got really good Malik neighbor stuff throughout the end.
126:09Most of the game, Isaiah likely obviously. And this was a perfect game for him because as we talk about with this
126:15Durante Jones defense, they take the Viking stuff to where they'll blitz and they'll play coverage off.
126:20And there's this Canyon of space in the middle.
126:23And that's where Isaiah likely was dominating. What'd you see from this giant's office?
126:27I call it birds on the fence. That's what QB school calls it.
126:31When there's just off, uh, coverage, uh, defensive backs and no help.
126:34And there was probably 10 reps of that. Uh, and sometimes it went the giants way.
126:39Sometimes it didn't, I think on tape for Malik neighbors, like the big thing is just zooming out.
126:44This game was in rainy conditions and Malik neighbors has been talking about just like not feeling like himself.
126:49He went for a career high 31.6 expected points, 11 receptions, a 38% target share, 245 air yards.
126:55And this one, like doing that in the rain is like the context that like stands out to me, like he, that
127:01he should feel confident on this knee moving forward to massive win on that front.
127:05And then also there was a rep where he was given a screen and I thought that was the best burst I've seen from him.
127:12Uh, broke a little bit of an arm tackle up the sideline.
127:16And that was, I thought it was like his best, like pure moment of getting up to speed like himself.
127:22Um, so yeah, that was all super encouraging. I think that, you know, the commander's defense is just one that we can
127:28get after in terms of one-on-one reps against Mike Sanres still and the rest of these guys on the boundary.
127:34So that was like huge advantage for Malik neighbors.
127:36And it's, it really is shocking to see that commander's defense, like leave their guys on islands to the extent that they did.
127:43Yeah. It's putting a lot of faith in corners who are not very good, uh, but this is the system and it,
127:49it, it can work and it doesn't like Brian Flores has mastered it.
127:53And you know, a lot of it's getting the personnel, right.
127:56And they probably just don't in the first season have the personnel, right.
128:00For, for the commanders, uh, anything you want to say about this running back room?
128:04Uh, again, I know that, uh, cam scatterboot had a lot of the work once they got into overtime, but Hayden, it
128:10stood out to me that there were drives that got inside the 10 yard line and the five yard line.
128:16And I'm not saying like they ran a bunch of snaps, right?
128:20It was like 84 snaps. So cam scatterboot is not going to play all 84, but as of a few weeks ago, there was more Najee Harrison.
128:27I was expecting and more, uh, Tyron Tracy. I was expecting in kind of those situations.
128:32I think scatterboot played nine of the first snaps on different drives in the game, but there was like a couple of
128:38them that were long drives and it was all Tyron Tracy with Najee Harris.
128:42You can see that one of them was the Najee Harris, uh, goal line rep there.
128:47Uh, scatterboot is just not catching nearly as many passes.
128:50Like in a game where Jameis drops back that many times, they run that many plays for him still to only have two receptions.
128:57Uh, and that one, I think that's to me the concerning part, like they're not utilizing him in what I thought was
129:03his best attribute is like, he's a pain in the butt to tackle out in space.
129:08Uh, and he can catch the ball and we're just not seeing that from him.
129:12And then, you know, the fumble and Najee Harris, like just kind of continuance of being a factor at the goal line.
129:18These are all ways to kind of break ties against cam scatterboot.
129:22And then the other thing is just when Jameis is out there versus Jackson dart, like you can just feel the difference in like the rushing success.
129:29Like that room gets crowded up front and the Jason McCarthy stuff.
129:33That ain't going to work either. Like you guys talked about that in the recap.
129:37That was ridiculous. Wasn't it? I had the treat of watching that at all 22.
129:41I mean that get that all the way out of here.
129:45I mean, what is the, what is the plan there?
129:47Well, what was the point? You had four snaps and it was like, oh, we like this Jackson dart stuff so much
129:54in the preseason that I want to utilize it with someone.
129:57He probably went for a combined two yards. You know, it was so pointless.
130:01It was so pointless. Keeping the ball like right to defenders.
130:04Like that was, I mean, yes. What the hell is going on there?
130:08So like there's a lot of red flags going on with cam scatterboot.
130:12He's the RB 33 and RB 23 usage this month, but his expected points have dropped in four straight games and he hasn't scored a touchdown.
130:19There's like, I'm holding on to flex appeal for cam scatterboot.
130:22And there's like really just not that many quality RB flexes in the league.
130:26So I'm still going to rank him like under this RB 25 spot, but this is not a fourth or fifth round pick.
130:33Yeah. At the same time, the matchup this week at home against the new Orleans saints, a defense that is down defensive
130:39lineman, a defense that has not been good this season.
130:42We're going to learn a lot from this coaching staff.
130:45If they are punishing him from that fumble in overtime, that should have lost them the game or not.
130:50Uh, I mean, we always say it like if there is going to be a rebound spot, this should be a rebound spot for someone like cam scatterboot.
130:58Yep. Definitely. So. Okay. Philadelphia Eagles, the running game sucks.
131:01I mean, it sucks no matter who's out there.
131:04Uh, obviously we have all the offensive linemen that are traded or injured or retired.
131:08And then we have Will Shipley out there for 1.2 yards per carry.
131:12Now he's on injured reserve. Uh, then you have Damian Pierce out there for 1.3 yards per carry.
131:17That doesn't really matter. It sounds like Saquon Barkley is going to return this week, but Hayden 30% of the Eagles runs this season are stuffed.
131:25That means they go for no gain or a loss.
131:27That is easily, easily last in the NFL. The Willie Lampkin stuff was like, it was, it was fun.
131:33And then you watch it and you're like, Oh, he's getting pushed back pretty quickly.
131:37Yes. Yes, definitely. So, but it's not just like the, the left guard is, you know, like five 11, 275 pounds or whatever.
131:44Um, the center's inexperience and their lack of trust with the center right now is pretty alarming.
131:49There was a lot of snaps like Jalen's catching the ball up here, but also like they're not pushing.
131:54There was a couple of like fourth and one third and one situations where they're handing the ball off.
132:00Uh, there's been a couple of like, uh, you know, under center runs where Jalen has not caught the ball cleanly going to hand things off.
132:07Like the exchange, just like the lack of chemistry between the interior line and Jalen hurts is off the running back talents,
132:13like obviously falling off a complete cliff. Uh, uh, if, uh, Saquon Barkley can't get out there again.
132:18Um, my film take was, was the scheme changed a little bit in the past game where there were still a lot
132:25of unblocked pressures, but they're like almost like inviting the unblocked pressure.
132:28They were like, get out into empty and just throw the ball over the top.
132:33They had made a couple of plays. There's obviously the Dante or the, uh, the, yeah, the Dante V and Wicks play
132:39where Jalen hurts is overthrew them, but they kind of simplified it and they said, screw it.
132:44You bring six. We got five in front and Jalen's just going to throw the ball immediately.
132:49And like, that was their kind of plan. It's kind of sad that, you know, an NFL team's gotten to that point,
132:55but I do think it was a better plan than what they had in the first couple of weeks.
133:00So like things are rotten here. Sirianni's done. The offensive line is done.
133:04Um, and yeah, those are all my notes, I guess.
133:07Well, and the Panthers don't have corners. That's who they're facing off this week.
133:11So I, I'm very intrigued to see how they want to attack again, this Panther secondary.
133:16I doubt a Caleb Evans starts another game coming out of the by like, he got burned against the lions, but you
133:22know, the book is out on this version of Jalen in this environment where it's, it's very Todd Bowles ask where you
133:28blitz them, you get a free rusher, you make him.
133:31Oh, my hot is here. I'm just going to throw it up.
133:35And then you hope you're in the odds and the, the odds are in your favor in, in that case.
133:40And a lot of times they are, but then if it's not, then that leads to big place.
133:46Um, it's interesting. All my buddies that cover the Eagles keep saying that like Darius Cooper is the most important wide receiver on this team.
133:53Other than Devante Smith, uh, obviously he's coming down with the big plays, but it's from a blocking standpoint too.
133:58I do wonder if they just abandoned the, I mean, they won't with Saquon, uh, one thing on the rushing, you mentioned
134:05the center and maybe not trusting him. Um, does that play a part along with the left guard where we might not
134:11see tush pushes from Jalen hurts once to get down to the one yard line.
134:15Like that's where we'll Shipley had his rushing touchdown.
134:18So look, I am not here as an optimistic lens for any of this rushing stuff, but if they get down to
134:24the one, it is now more likely to me that we get running back runs versus the tush push of the previous five years.
134:31Agree. It'll get stuffed, but it'll look good in the expected points model for sure.
134:35For, for these running backs. Um, yeah. The, the other thing that was kind of frustrating is, um, Makai lemon one.
134:42There was a rep against Travis Hunter in the slot man coverage rep and just watching the difference between Makai lemon move in the length versus Travis Hunter.
134:50He just came over the top of them, just completely dominated.
134:53And like, that was like, okay, two first round picks.
134:56One looks like a first round pick. The other one's struggling.
134:59And then Makai lemon, they threw him on a screen and it hit the back of his jersey because he didn't know
135:05that the play was called for him. This is not the first time this has happened.
135:10Yeah. Well, and then all the other screens have gone for no yards for him this year.
135:15So we just got to get rid of the screens in the playbook from Makai.
135:19He's droppable. Give him to someone else. I think that he's droppable.
135:22Oh, interesting. Okay. Devante Smith should come back this week too.
135:25Hopefully let's talk Pittsburgh Steelers. Speaking of coming back, Rico Datal sounds like he's turning in the right direction, but Mike McCarthy on Jalen Warren.
135:33Jalen's our featured player right now. Let's make sure we all recognize that he's hot.
135:37Hayden, you've known Jalen Warren is hot since the summer.
135:40Super hot. Super hot. Jalen Warren is real hot.
135:42I'm hot for Jalen Warren. There's just no way around it.
135:46I think they can't put this back. He looks exceptional.
135:48All the fancy boy metrics has always been hot for Jalen Warren.
135:52We're seeing it here. It's as a receiver and it's as a rusher.
135:56He's a bowling ball. He puts a lot of effort out there.
135:59He's good in protection. And he can catch the ball.
136:02And we'll see how much they want to pass the ball because they've lost so many pass catchers recently.
136:07But I just think he's a great fit for Aaron Rodgers.
136:11And I didn't think that Rico Datal looks good before his injury.
136:14And you dislocate your tote a couple times in the same game and now you're rushing back.
136:19It's a no contest for me. Jalen Warren is going to be...
136:22He won't be the top... I think I ranked him as my RB6 last week.
136:27Like, he's probably going to be closer to like RB14 or something like that.
136:31But versus where you drafted, like one of the best picks you could have made.
136:35Yeah, it's tough to run on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
136:38But they are favored by two and a half on the road in Tampa in that one.
136:43You listened to the waiver wire show. Joel, do you think I can go overboard on Jeremy Bernard?
136:48No, I mean, he's going to be out there for every single snap.
136:52And they're going to throw him the ball. It seems like Roger's like willing to live with the mistakes.
136:57I think we nailed the Jeremy Bernard. Yeah, huge.
137:00A evaluation from what he was doing at Alabama where anything with an in cut within 15 yards, like those are like big boy routes.
137:07And you got to have size and you got to be willing to do that.
137:11And Rogers wants to make those throws. Like there was times where he was checking over to Jeremy Bernard and then throwing a little quick slant to him.
137:19And like that was his best moments. He also has had some of the worst drops, including one that went for an
137:26interception where Rogers had to tackle a guy. There was a drop up the seam.
137:30But at least Jeremy Bernard on that seam route, a player jumped off sides and he knew that to abandon the original play and run up the seam.
137:38He just happened to drop the ball. There was one play where he didn't know that he was actually sort of run
137:44around instead of, you know, try to run block.
137:47And then he went to Jalen Warren and dropped that pass.
137:50So long story short, he's going to come up, be a full time participant.
137:54And Rogers seems to like be willing to live with a mistake.
137:57So I think that he's going to get by.
138:00I don't think he's been the perfect player so far, but this team's been pretty pass first and he's not coming off the field.
138:07Living with the mistakes is massive for someone in this offense.
138:10Like Roman Wilson had a pass go through his hands that got intercepted.
138:14And then he was immediately benched for Jeremy Bernard in that instance previously.
138:17Yeah, I mean, 92% snaps. There was a quote that Jim Nance had during the broadcast that every single production meeting that
138:24we have, Aaron Rodgers can't stop talking about Jeremy Bernard.
138:27He brings them up all the time. I am not comparing Jeremy and his talent level to Lad McConkey's or Amon Ross St.
138:33Brown or Brian Thomas Jr. But let's always remember, especially in a week rookie wide receiver class so far in fantasy football,
138:40that the second half of fantasy seasons are often defined by these emerging rookies, you know?
138:44And this is a case where Michael Pittman Jr., there's not like one positive thing that has been said about him since
138:51his contract extension, like all summer long. And now at some point, he'll come back from injury.
138:55Like I think Jeremy Bernard has the wide receiver two job and carries the wide receiver two job for the rest of the season.
139:02Now, it's not like this is a perfect offense, but, you know, Rodgers is making one or two plays every single week,
139:09flicking that risk for three or four big throws each week that, you know, Jeremy and DK are such different types that
139:15I really think Rodgers appreciates the style that Jeremy Bernard brings to the table here.
139:19Yeah, Metcalf's back in like that vertical X receiver role and Jeremy's like the flanker slot kind of depending on the exact personnel that they're utilizing.
139:27If he hits, I think he's going to hit like a Jacoby Myers type.
139:31And, you know, I think that's enough to like, I'll probably have him as like my wide receiver 37 or so in
139:37rankings with some bye weeks and some injuries kind of in there.
139:40So, you know, I think it's a little bit dangerous to put him into your lineup right away, but crazier things have definitely been done.
139:48I was going to ask you about Pat Fryermuth because he's making a lot of plays and like the usage is there.
139:54And like this is like a former like pretty good prospect.
139:57He's got size. This team can really block with their tight ends right now.
140:01And they they're doing some fun things with him scores two touchdowns here, but he's he's a tight end nine and expected points this year.
140:08So it's like not I'm not just chasing the two touchdowns like his involvement is like actually real.
140:14And he's he's somebody I said, I have to keep ranking higher.
140:17Yeah, I think I brought him up like at the very last few weeks of drafting because Aaron Rodgers couldn't stop talking about him.
140:24Yeah. And that was when, you know, Michael Pittman had missed so much of camp that Rodgers brought up DK.
140:30He brought up Fryermuth and he brought up someone else.
140:32I can't remember. But yeah, I mean, Fryermuth has been the tight end six, 22, then 33, but 14 and then two over the last five weeks.
140:40I mean, and this team runs a lot of 12 personnel, right?
140:44So when they're in 12, he's going to be kind of the seam stretcher.
140:48And we know how much Aaron Rodgers loves to throw those seam passes, too.
140:52So he is entering that like flex conversation in certain weeks as we hit injuries and bye weeks and all that type of stuff.
140:59Yep. OK. San Francisco 49ers. It's Mike Evans. It's George Kittle.
141:02It's Christian McCaffrey, who's the running back 11 in points per game.
141:05I'm not sure if you want to say anything about that.
141:08And then we don't know who's at wide receiver.
141:11I mean, Christian Kirk might come back at some point, but it doesn't seem like it's trending in the right direction right now.
141:18I think I saw Matt Barrows say that Brandon Cooks is the next man up.
141:22I'll tell you what. Comparing two veterans and like Debo Samuel off the street and Brandon Cooks off the street.
141:28Cooks does not move nearly as well. Yeah, he also doesn't have the size.
141:32That was my main takeaway from the game is just, you know, Mike Evans on Josh Jobe was just dunking on him the entire game.
141:39That was the most yardage that a single player has allowed in the Mike McDonald era.
141:43According to next gen stats was Josh Jobe and like almost all of that was just Mike Evans, like literally just dunking all over him.
141:51So that was awesome to see. They're going to have to use Mike Evans.
141:55They're trying to keep his snaps and stuff down.
141:57Same thing with Christian McCaffrey. This is kind of one of those weeks where like, you know, you're so desperate that these
142:04guys are going to have to get the rock a bunch.
142:07I think that Christian McCaffrey, I think he looks a little bit faster.
142:10I would like to be curious to see what his tracking data is.
142:14But his yards per carry is up from 3.9 to 4.7.
142:17There's more explosive plays. I thought he turned the corner a couple times in this one.
142:22The touchdown was a good example of that. But that one to the perimeter, I think was an even better one.
142:2812 carries per game instead of 18. But we're seeing some of the efficiency gains.
142:32And like, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a week where they're like, we got to go.
142:37And Christian McCaffrey is going to be extremely involved.
142:40Same thing with Mike Evans. So, you know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to say that all these guys are must starts.
142:47But they're I think they're looking up even more so than what they did the last month.
142:51Yeah, the theory of the play for them is dropping Christian McCaffrey from, you know, 30 touches a game down to 20 ish.
142:58And that leads to more explosion, more per carry basis and better numbers from that.
143:02But now that we're like, we continue to boil this thing down, like more and more still has to go in his direction.
143:09They're projected for 29 points this week on Monday Night Football against the Commanders.
143:13So, yeah, you play the dudes here. That's for sure.
143:16Okay. Seattle Seahawks are up next. This is a straightforward one, too.
143:19I mean, it's JSN and Emmanuel Wilson is running back to slash one out there.
143:24Anything you want to say about Seattle? The last month, Emmanuel Wilson's the RB 17 and RB 14 usage.
143:29You hate to see the fumble, but then George Helani has an even worse one right in the back of his own end zone.
143:36And they have nobody else to get to move to.
143:39So, yeah, I'm not saying Emmanuel Wilson's good, but they have nobody else to go to the ball to use.
143:45And, you know, you're just going to keep plugging your nose and starting this RB, too.
143:49Yep. Very true. They're only projected for 21 and a half points on Thursday Night Football.
143:54That is against the Denver Broncos. But even with Emmanuel Wilson, getting about two catches per game is pretty good.
144:00Mm-hmm. Other running backs that are more talented pass catchers are getting less.
144:03So while we heard a lot about Brian Flurry getting, you know, running backs out in space as pass catchers more, we
144:10were hoping that meant for Jadarian Price. And unfortunately, that means it's happening for Emmanuel Wilson.
144:14Yeah. Fantasy is a funny game. Okay. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
144:17Jalen Daniels. We try to tell him, Hayden. He's a gamer.
144:20He's pretty fun. He's not the worst quarterback out there.
144:23And he made enough plays on Thursday that I'm excited to see.
144:27And that game feels like a turn to go.
144:29I'm excited to see what he can do this week.
144:32I'll be it. It's against the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, which in a lot of the fancy boy metrics rank is a top five unit.
144:39Yeah. He'll run around a little bit, too. So if you're in a super flex league or there's a million guys and
144:45you've got an injured quarterback or whatever, I think you can do worse.
144:49You know, tough tests against the Steelers, but you got a little extended time there.
144:53I think Chris Godwin's just done. And I think the real debate is, okay, moving forward, what's the Bucky line?
144:59Speaking of things I got wrong, like, you know, completely whiffed on the Bucky situation, got the goal line carries, looked awesome on top of that.
145:06So that's something I totally whiffed on. Hand up there.
145:09So I think Bucky is like firmly in RB2.
145:12And then the real one is just what do we do with Emeka Ibuka?
145:16Because I think he looks fine on tape. I don't think he looks excellent on tape.
145:21The involvement was pretty solid last week. 15.3 expected points got the touchdown on the ground there.
145:25But not it hasn't been easy giving him the football this year.
145:29And I think they're trying to, and they're like using him in like fun little ways, including that little two-point conversion catch that he had.
145:36But it hasn't been like super straightforward. He's like kind of holding the lines.
145:40Like, what would you do with like Emeka Ibuka with Daniels like this next week or two?
145:45I mean, he just doesn't have that much juice to his game.
145:48He's kind of a one-note runner. That's where I'm at.
145:51It kind of felt like that at times last year.
145:54A lot of his big plays went through defenders' hands, and it was Baker on an absolute heater.
145:59Maybe some of that is the injury that he, you know, dealt with all preseason.
146:04We'll see. I'm just not, you know, I was hoping there was that section of drafts that was our favorite to select
146:10all the wide receivers that started after Zay Flowers, and it kind of ended with Garrett Wilson.
146:15The only two guys that really matter from that group are Ted Aronick-Millan and Garrett Wilson, and then no one else.
146:21Yep. Yeah. And Emeka Ibuka was in that. They were like literally the worst picks that you could have made.
146:27Like that entire corner, they all stink. Like you hope that you should have just like drafted DeAndre Swift way ahead.
146:33Yeah. I think Zach Robinson still kind of stinks, even if they won this game, and he's not really helping out.
146:39Like we all got a little bit infatuated with, oh, the Z, the movement guy, and this tree, and that's why we're going to draft Emeka Ibuka.
146:46And nope. Not good so far. But we'll see.
146:49We'll see this week. Two more teams. Tennessee Titans are next.
146:5211 consecutive division losses. Hayden, they have six offensive touchdowns in five games.
146:56Warren Sharp posted on where Cam Ward is at right now in terms of some underlying metrics.
147:01He's been blitzed on only 20% of his dropbacks.
147:03That's the lowest rate in the NFL. He has been pressured on only 31% of his dropbacks.
147:08That's the ninth lowest rate in the league. And despite all that, he's 35th in yards per attempt, 31st in EPA, and 35th in explosive gain rate.
147:16So anything new you want to say about this offense?
147:19There really isn't. I just think he's playing so terribly.
147:22And I don't think the scheme is doing him any favors.
147:25But really, his best moments was last week or two weeks ago against the Ravens.
147:29And we watched that. And we're like, oh, Carnell Tate finished as the wide receiver 11.
147:34What was going on there? And then you're like, oh, there's a lot of it just kind of out of structure plays.
147:40Which is nice to have. But at some point, there's just got to be some dependability that they can stay in the
147:46pocket on time and complete a pass down the football field.
147:50And we just don't see that with Cam Ward.
147:52You don't even watch him and realize that he has great arm talent because he just doesn't use it very often.
147:58Very, very strange player. I don't have reasons for optimism.
148:01The only thing I will say is you catch the Colts indoors and that defense has not been very good.
148:07Like, there's got to be some semblance of just like normalcy with the Tennessee Titans.
148:11Like, it can't be like, hey, that was a kind of fun play every three games.
148:16Like, we got to be way better than that.
148:18Yeah, I won't read through it all. But there's an interesting post that you all can find that basically this franchise has crumbled since trading away A.J.
148:26Brown, losing Mike Brayble, all this type of stuff.
148:29And while that has kind of been termed a John Robinson decision, Hayden, you and I have also theorized that it was
148:35kind of an ownership decision, too, based on the contract and having enough money to pay for everything and all that stuff.
148:41So we talked about the ownership stuff on Sunday Night Football.
148:44This is a top down, you know, bad team stay bad because of ownership.
148:48And the Tennessee Titans are up there. Not that the owners, you know, not calling explosive plays on the field.
148:54But Hayden, I think this team and Cam Ward is last in the NFL in terms of 20 plus yard passing attempts down the field.
149:01That's not cool. That's not fun. Yeah, you said attempts, right?
149:05Like they're losing every game like you would want like screw it.
149:08Here comes a post route here. Like, let's get something like we just don't we don't get that.
149:13It's like so strange. Like one of the positives for Cam Ward is that he could throw the ball with like some serious RPMs.
149:20Like you're hoping that he can turn into Jordan Love and like.
149:24We're not even trying those like it's it's it's really is bizarre.
149:27Washington Commanders will close this thing out. I had this game on Sunday.
149:31What popped to me was Jane Daniel scrambling. It was so freaking legit in terms of putting your foot in the dirt
149:37and climbing immediately and being extremely decisive. Like so many of these scrambles that go for one or two yards are just these elongated.
149:44Oh, I'm trying to buy some time. But the Jane Daniel styling of those scrambles is what wins fancy matchups on a weekly basis.
149:51Let's put it that way. Yeah, I'm just it's stunning how fast he is.
149:55So he's pulling away from NFL defensive backs. It's it really is wild to watch.
149:59I noted that there was like maybe three or four plays where they got like the play wrong.
150:04Like it wasn't just like the last sequence. Like there was a there's a rep where Jaden Daniels like took a step
150:11to like hand the ball off and then just like dove forward for like a yard.
150:15There was like three or four plays. I would just like seemed like something was like really bizarre in that game.
150:21The other thing I noticed was Bill Krosky merit was out there for a lot of it.
150:26And then the fourth quarter starts and he doesn't play another snap.
150:30And it wasn't because of an injury. It wasn't because of like some egregious fumble or pass protection.
150:35Like I watched all these snaps. It wasn't because of that.
150:38I think what happened was the Giants had like the six or seven defenders right at the line of scrimmage.
150:44And they did that for like four four plays in a row.
150:47And then David Blount was like, we got to get Rashad White out there because I don't trust Bill and pass protection.
150:53I totally understand that. But because they did that for literally the rest of the game going into overtime.
150:59That's why I think that Bill got kind of schemed out of the game because of the psychopath behavior that the Giants defense was out there.
151:06So obviously, that's a concerning part for the Bill profile is like that this type of thing could happen.
151:12But I thought he was like, you know, fine enough on his runs.
151:16And I think that that type of game is not going to happen every single week.
151:20And, you know, I think you can do worse as like an RB two, three right now.
151:25Yeah, he had an awesome 22 yard touchdown. That was what untouched on the opening drive.
151:30That's a great note you had like. The Giants defense just realized the commanders had zero answer for zero blitz, zero answer.
151:36And then they finally got it when they got into overtime and they threw a screen to Deami Brown and he fumbled whenever that was.
151:43That might have been the fourth quarter, too. So like that's your answer to it.
151:47So other teams will test them when when it comes to that.
151:51That's for sure. OK, I think that's it. Trigger Kwankwo, I did want to bring up.
151:55Yeah, Trigger Kwankwo. Just some maybe it's like on and off splits here with Stefan Diggs, but he got involved with like
152:02split foe actions and you have some leak and all that type of stuff.
152:06So, you know, those July picks that I made Hayden paid off for one week at least.
152:11Well, I think it's another good week for him.
152:13They're gonna be trailing to the four diners. We don't have a tight end ranking show, but I do think you can
152:20do a whole lot worse if you're in a really bad spot at tight end with him.
152:24Assuming Diggs is out. My last note. I still think that Terry McLaurin puts out pretty nice film, you know, like it's
152:31not like groundbreaking stuff, but there's a couple moments up the sideline where he's still showcasing some speed.
152:36He can run some in breaking routes on occasion there as well.
152:39So like I think Terry McLaurin, if Diggs is out, like he's going to have some serious moments here now that I
152:46think Jaden Daniels is like going to be totally fine.
152:49Like maybe his elbow pokes sideways at some point later on, but I don't think he's going to change his style and
152:55I don't think it's going to really affect his accuracy and too much.
152:59So I don't like want to over calibrate to the fact that his elbow could go sideways at any moment.
153:04Like I think that it's just gonna be the same old Jaden Daniels until like he can't be on the field.
153:10Closing note, after you heard every single football podcast, fantasy or otherwise, talk about the final sequence for the commanders.
153:16Hey, I am firmly of the opinion that we should blame Jaden Daniels the most.
153:20Yes. You have to know what's going on in that situation.
153:24You have to. Yep. No excuse. Like we, when I'm at a football game, I look at the scoreboard and I know exactly where the timeouts are.
153:31And they don't pay me $30 million a year or whatever he's going to be making soon.
153:36There'll be a lot more than that. Even if they didn't remind him in the huddle, it should still be.
153:42And it sounded like they did remind him and that he repeated it.
153:46So yes, I think that's Jaden Daniels fault. Okay.
153:48That does it for us. Shout out to Madison and Mosho and Weaves behind the scenes.
153:53Also Matt Harmon for joining us here on this episode and all of you for watching over two hours and 30 minutes of stats versus film.
154:00We appreciate it. We'll be back tomorrow with our running back rankings.
154:04Then back Friday with the wide receiver rankings. Shout out to all of you again.
154:08Up the Villa. Talk to you guys soon. See ya.

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