0:00Oh yes, welcome to Week 6 Stats vs Film where we take everything that happened this past Sunday on the field watching
0:06every single game and compare that to the spreadsheets to the underlying metrics and to the data to help you bully your
0:13league mates and your friends in your matchups this weekend.
0:16And as always, this show is presented by Farmers Insurance.
0:18Boys, let's get the start. Hayden Winks and Matt Harmon joining us every single time.
0:23And we kick things off. With the primetime games that we haven't discussed yet and Monday Night Football, the winning Buffalo Bills here.
0:29Matt, I saw you have a very cordial and good conversation with our friend of the show, Jacob Sanderson, about what the
0:36heck is happening to Dalton Kincaid at this moment because over the last two weeks has been completely unusable.
0:41So the people out there want to know when will Dalton Kincaid be usable again?
0:45It's a good question. Jacob's theory, which I think does make sense is that you do need like more of a man
0:52beating vertical presence to have the 13 personnel stuff really be activated.
0:55Well, and that's obviously been an issue these last few weeks with DJ more in and out of the lineup and not playing on Monday night.
1:03And I mean, I even get I engage with it because I think that makes complete sense.
1:07Like this follows with my priors where like I think the 13 personnel thing we talked about.
1:12Talked about in the offseason. Maybe not we the three of us, but the royal we talked about is like you just
1:19pushed the 13 personnel button and you start to get efficient offense.
1:22But that's not how it works. Because usually you're bringing your three slowest players onto the field to try to create vertical
1:28shot plays, which works if Dalton Kincaid obviously is operating as one of those vertical guys.
1:33But when the single receiver you're bringing in there is Keon Coleman, it just doesn't make a ton of sense to run
1:39the 13 personnel because he's also a guy that, you know, he faded away last night.
1:44I know he had the slot touchdown there, which was mostly the design of the play is why he was able to get open and everything.
1:51I said to Hayden on our recap show. Hayden could have run that route and scored a touchdown for Keon Coleman's play there.
1:58But I mean, you got some burst to you.
2:01So, you know, there is that. But I mean, Keon Coleman is the guy they'd almost been using in some tight end type of ways.
2:08So you can't really get that 13 personnel going when it's Keon Coleman is the single receiver, even Josh Palmer, not available for them last night.
2:15So I think that's part of the reason why Kincaid has faded away here.
2:19After the first two weeks, they were using a ton of 13 and they were having some real effectiveness out of it.
2:26I will say with Kincaid, the Bills offense went super run heavy.
2:29And I think that's by design against the Rams defense that, you know, is kind of allowing that to happen.
2:35They had a lot of success. And then when they were dropping back to pass, Josh Allen has a career high in scramble yards.
2:42And that was obviously very effective. So I think part of it was just like whatever is working is working.
2:47The Rams have been very good against fantasy tight ends this season.
2:51And on top of that, he was out there for a season high 76% routes as Daigle mentioned on the screen right there.
2:57He did have the two point conversion. So I don't want to defend Dalton Kincaid.
3:02I think that I got maybe a little bit too optimistic early on in the season, but I think that he's gonna
3:08be better than his last couple results here. And even again today, Joe Brady, I know he said this last week, but
3:14he kind of doubled down on it. It's like I've not gotten Dalton Kincaid enough work.
3:19Josh Allen also knows that as well. He's not going to get as much screen stuff.
3:24He's there's a lot more competition, especially at the goal line for Kincaid because of how good their run game is.
3:30So he's not going to reach the heights of like a top five fantasy tight end, but like rest of season, like
3:36could he be the tight end eight? I think that's like still well within the range of outcomes.
3:41So you're basically saying that Joe Brady squeaky wheel, the squeaky wheel.
3:45So we can expect a 29.5 team total for the Buffalo Bills and everyone gets going there.
3:49Yeah, I mean, one note, and I can't tell you exactly every single coverage that the Rams ran against the Bills, but
3:56just overall for the season, the Rams are by far and away the highest rate in terms of dime personnel with 38.2%.
4:02And the goal of 13 personnel is to get base on the field and then you beat them with, you know, your
4:08athletic receiving tight end against the linebackers and stuff.
4:11So if they keep more and more DBs, it's just not going to be as effective out there.
4:16Hey, and I wanted to get the fantasy question out there first before we talk about what Josh Allen did here, because
4:23if you just put on a page, the throws and lack thereof and production to wide receivers.
4:27I would then have concluded that the Rams would have easily won this contest, but it goes to show that in these
4:34moments that these two things like don't go together.
4:36Josh Allen can just put the team on his back and like carry them in moments just with this pure athleticism in
4:43ways that I would say no other quarterback can do in the league.
4:46Maybe ever. Understanding that he can just shake Nate Landman and be hands of off to James Cook.
4:52The ball is going to get punched out and he's just going to have to go superhero.
4:56And right now he's got 47 fancy points over replacement.
4:59That would have been second best or the third best in the second round of drafts only behind Kenneth Walker and Derek Henry.
5:06So this like fancy points are a replacement argument that we've been using against quarterbacks.
5:10Josh Allen has been so dominant that even with the depth of quarterback, it has not mattered.
5:15And that he probably should be like the 13th or 14th overall player for the rest of the season.
5:21Matt, can I ask you this question? This is very early, but I'll be it.
5:25We're almost close to a third of the way done with the entire season.
5:29Prediction time. Where do you think Josh Allen's draft spot is going to be on Yahoo next summer?
5:34It's like 20th overall this year. Yeah. I feel like it'll be 20th overall again.
5:38This is fantasy nerds. It's not because the people, the people want to draft them.
5:43The nerds keep telling them to not. And we're wrong.
5:46Correct. Yeah. I mean, I think we did all agree, though, if you were going to break the rules for one player, it would be Josh Allen.
5:53Like I know in my tears, he was in a tear by himself.
5:57So if you want to break, I'm not I'm never going to be the one to talk you out of Josh Allen.
6:03Essentially, if you want to go early quarterback, it's kind of that next grouping, you know, where you can basically get Joe Burrow's production from Kirk Cousins.
6:11And that has held up this year, surprisingly enough.
6:14Not a thing I thought I'd be saying here on October 13th.
6:17Yeah. Very fair. The second most rushing yards in a game and Josh Allen's career and also his first career win in
6:23overtime just by the look on his face afterwards.
6:26It kind of felt like truly a monkey went off his back, like just some alleviation of the stress that have been in these moments before.
6:33And it never went my direction. And then, yeah, Harmon, when the field goal went up and it was blocked, I'm sure
6:40he's like, OK, finally, this can actually go in my direction here.
6:43I mean, they had to change the overtime rules for him.
6:46Right. So, you know, this is true. This is true.
6:49James Cook, four fumbles in his last five games.
6:52I actually wrote in my notes he loses the game.
6:55It ultimately did not lose the game. Hey, and I'm sure you saw the quote today from Joe Brady that at some point there has to be consequences.
7:03Ty Johnson went out there and had multiple explosive receptions.
7:06Ray Davis had a nice kickoff return and another run on top of it.
7:10James Cook, like you're saying, has 16 fumbles since the 2023 season.
7:13The next closest running back is at 12. What does this do to shake or unwaver our optimism and our concreteness of
7:19what James Cook can do for the rest of the season?
7:23How many times ever has a pro bowl caliber running back been benched for fumbles?
7:27Like, I don't recall that ever happening. So he's way too good.
7:30You live with it. It's part of his game.
7:33And then he's also going to be right up there in leading the NFL and rush yards.
7:38Right now he's the RB three and rush yards per game at 106.
7:42So you got to live with the results. I will say the one note I had for James Cook is 1.4 receptions per game, RB 38.
7:49So that was just the one reason why he's not going to graduate to that next tier.
7:54He's going to be the RB seven or whatever he is for the rest of the season.
7:59I think that's, you know, totally fine. Yeah, I did notice that Spencer Brown left this game prior to that.
8:05I believe the Bills entire offensive line had played together for 280 straight snaps, which is not the case across the league.
8:11As we see with, you know, third, fourth, fifth string at certain positions getting caught up in the starting spot.
8:17So the Bills will actually have to go through some change along their offensive line here.
8:21OK, let's talk about their opponents, Matt, in the L.A.
8:24Rams. Let's start with the good. But Kyron Williams has 27 receptions.
8:27He's never recorded more than 36 in a season so far.
8:31This is why, well, part of it that he's, you know, the running back, what, five or six in points per game on the season so far?
8:38Just a spectacular season from Kyron, who's kind of leveled up his game this year.
8:43Yeah, and you would have thought or at least you could tell yourself a story that some of the passing game usage
8:49for him was because Puka Nakua is not out there playing.
8:52He was averaging 4.04 air yards per target coming into the game on Monday night.
8:56He doesn't leave with a ton of air yards, 0.13 air yards per target.
9:01But still, it's a ton of the same like angle routes out of the backfield.
9:05That was still present while also Puka Nakua gets 24 targets in a freaking football game, which is absolutely outrageous.
9:11Not even the first time in his career, by the way, that he's had 20 plus targets.
9:15One of the first games of his NFL career in 2023 against the 49ers, he had 20 targets.
9:21So the guy gets a lot of looks. Obviously, Kyron Williams does too.
9:24Like this is a big part of the passing game for them this year, kind of baking in some more of those layups for Matthew Stafford.
9:32I don't know like what the theory is for this.
9:35I think the biggest thing you could probably say is their pace of play is way up this year.
9:40They're one of the top three teams in my pace score because they're just getting out there running really quick.
9:46That's a big part of just keeping that out there.
9:49So I think that's a big deal of why Kyron Williams has remained on the field a ton.
9:54In addition to the fact that he's so trusted, like he's a guy, Hayden, to your point that he fumbles all the time.
10:01And Sean McVay couldn't care less. He continues to roll him out there.
10:04It doesn't matter. Outside, which is crazy. Outside of fumbles, doesn't make a lot of mistakes, hits the holes and is where
10:11he needs to be from a fast game standpoint.
10:13So, yeah, this is definitely sticky to me at this point, especially if they're going to continue to push the fast pace buttons.
10:20I feel like a lot of those are first read kind of targets.
10:24These are like, to me, check down. There's a lot of angle routes, like quick outs and whatnot, sometimes in the slots.
10:30I think like that's part of the game plan.
10:32By the way, it has a 50% success rate, which is really high for like running back receptions, which typically are like,
10:39you know, the last part of the play. All of his are working.
10:42I think it's going to be pretty sticky, especially against, you know, high powered offenses, which they faced a couple of them so far.
10:49The 49ers game, obviously, last night's. All that we needed was, you know, Mike LaFleur to leave the staff or, you know,
10:56running back to get receptions and targets. And then, you know, Mike LaFleur's running backs don't get receptions and targets.
11:01There's little tease for, you know, a topic later on.
11:04Matt, you brought up Puka Nakua, 24 targets. It's you chart wide receivers every day of the week, every week of the year.
11:11What makes Pukunakua different? Like, why is he the one that plays the styling of game like this in the league and
11:17really no one else can match him in this in this regard?
11:21Yeah, I think he's so different than most other receivers, whereas JSN, he is an elite technician, but is so smooth.
11:27And just the body control that he has is different.
11:30The flexibility, like the angles at which JSN can get his ankles and hips and stuff is just like he'll just create massive amounts of separation.
11:37Pukunakua plays with way more power than these guys, but also there's so many times where he is clearly right and tight on the details, too.
11:45So I think he's one of the best technicians in the NFL, especially at the top of this round.
11:50Now, again, he does it with way more physicality than some of these other players.
11:54But I mean, just look at the route chart on the screen here.
11:58He runs all of these quick quick outs, quick slants.
12:01But then he also has these big outbreak. I could not believe that the Bills defense took the cheese on the little
12:07Tyler Higby sit route in cover, too. And Pukunakua is just wide open in an overtime drive on an out cut.
12:13It's it's embarrassing. The Bills defense is really off to a brutal start.
12:17We'll see how it goes there. But yeah, the other part of this, too, is he's just so physical and gifted after the catch.
12:24I don't know if we're totally seeing that right now with the pre hernia, whatever that means for Pukunakua.
12:29But that's another thing where he's this he's this monster power player that you can do the designer touches to where you're
12:36not doing that for guys like Devontae Adams and some of these other players.
12:40I will rank him as my wide receiver one every single week.
12:43And then if the pre hernia story becomes a big one, then we'll just live with the consequences.
12:48But I think he's like on another level versus every other fancy wide receiver.
12:52I feel like if the pre hernia was going to turn into a hernia and look, it might at some point.
12:58But last night was the time to do it here, buddy.
13:01And including like the the diving attempted grab right before halftime where he totally stretches out his body, like lays out for a catch.
13:08And then every single hit is not like some soft collision where he goes to the ground or gets out of bounds.
13:15He it's a car crash every single time. So, I mean, it was certainly tested last night.
13:20That's for sure. Hey, now I want to ask you about another pass catcher on this team.
13:24Typically, we only talk about, you know, Pukudakua and Devontae Adams, which, by the way, Adams continues to make all of his
13:31points and production and money in the red zone with one of the best, you know, short field, condensed field players of all time.
13:38Tyler Higby Hayden, the tight end 7, 15 and 10 over the last three weeks.
13:42Is Tyler Higby in the flex conversation for us right now?
13:45I think he's in the Terrence Ferguson role, which is frustrating if you were drafting Terrence Ferguson, because I think he would have been a for sure hit.
13:53He's the tight end 5 on tight end 6 usage over the past three weeks with Ferguson on injured reserve.
13:59A couple like intermediate explosives on Monday Night Football.
14:01He's a good after the catch. He can play a physical brand as well.
14:06So, you know, if this team is going to continue to be number one in pass attempts per game, then it's very easy for Higby to get there.
14:14I would say that there was a couple of really wonky games like they were chasing with the Eagles two weeks ago.
14:20Last night's game was obviously a crazy one. Not every game is going to be as, you know, high flying as the
14:26last couple have been, especially in the second half of the game.
14:30So that would be my one layer to kind of keep in the back of your mind.
14:35But at the same time, you know, you want the team that's projected for almost 30 points.
14:39Yeah, it's part of the plan. Third and tight end usage is amazing.
14:43And again, Titans have been incredible this year. Matt, that's 16.2, 9.2 and 10.8 points over the last three games.
14:49And I think he left week one or that's when, you know, T-Ferg was eligible and all that type of stuff.
14:55And they lost 27 to 7 and then missed the next game.
14:58So, yeah, I mean, when Higby has been on the field, he's been an important focal point of this offense.
15:04Matt, just some closing notes here on the Rams.
15:07Alaric Jackson for punching Bradley Chubb is going to be suspended for two games.
15:11And then the same special teams is the worst in the NFL.
15:14For five straight seasons. But it has to drive Sean McVay insane that he, you know, does a great job in terms
15:20of preparing the two critical and core pieces of a team.
15:24But then like special teams, which is an afterthought for so many of us as, you know, casual observers of this straight up lose him contest.
15:31But in the end, Matt, he should also be responsible for this because this has been, again, five years in a row at this point.
15:38Hey, he's head coach of the football team. We do this way too often where it's like, well, Sean McVay runs the
15:45off head coach of the football team. Buck stops with you.
15:48So, yeah, if it's bothering him, maybe do something about it.
15:51They did cut me this and they brought Blake Groupie in today.
15:54So they're going to do that. That'll fix it.
15:57That'll fix it with the kicker. We'll see. But an 80 pound difference between the two kickers.
16:02Okay. Be nice. Be nice. No, no, no, no, no, no.
16:05I'm just saying like typically I think with wide receivers, like we have the biggest discrepancy between, you know, the biggest and the smallest.
16:12We talk about the two two outwells and the DK Metcalfs.
16:15I mean, now we have it at kicker too with Harrison Meeveson.
16:18And are you going to start a subscription service where you chart kicker weight?
16:23Is that going to be part of the premium feed here?
16:26No, no, no. Hayden has the kicker corner as we know.
16:29I'll give you one chart a week. That's as far as I'll go.
16:33One chart a week. Okay. As everyone knows, we go through the top 10 headline teams at the start of this episode and we go in alphabetical order.
16:41So that brings us to Sunday night football. We have to go to the winning team in the Baltimore Ravens.
16:46Hayden, my number one point is just Declan Doyle has the stuff like with the backup quarterback out there.
16:52Just the way he is able to manufacture touches to Zay Flowers that we got the end around early than a toss play to him.
16:59But then build on top of that based on the Atlanta Falcons reaction to it, that they were in the action to
17:05save flowers in the same opposite direction. A screen to Derek Henry that went for a touchdown.
17:10I will always say that. We get to see what a play caller is truly made of when the backup quarterback goes in there.
17:17And again, Declan Doyle passed the test. And on top of that, you have your first round guard playing center for another one of these games.
17:25And I thought he was excellent as well. So it wasn't even just the backup quarterback.
17:29This is like the third, fourth string center that they wanted to do.
17:33And they were not repping this throughout training camp.
17:35So super impressive. I liked what Declan Doyle did specifically with Zay Flowers.
17:39He's always going to get screens. I'm not going to give him a bunch of credit for calling a screen.
17:45But there was other some like some like man coverage slot snaps where like the other wide receiver was kind of like not exactly a rub route.
17:53But Zay Flowers kind of hiding behind them to cut inside for a big play as well.
17:58So there's just a lot of like little things at snap motion targets for him.
18:02So, yeah, he's the number one player on a per snap basis.
18:05We have not seen him in Lamar Jackson in a normal game with both of them healthy.
18:10So I cannot wait for that. But he's even with all that, he's the wide receiver six on a per game basis.
18:17And two of those games were partial contests. And last game, that was obviously with Tyler Huntley.
18:21Yeah, we've we've seen him play, you know, in other offenses before.
18:25I think that's the cleanest it's looked for Huntley ever.
18:2878 percent completion rate when receivers when just there was any motion on the play.
18:3214 of 18. It just looked really smooth, really comfortable for him.
18:35And it wasn't totally clean for some of the pass catchers, too.
18:39I mean, Zay Flowers had a drop in this game.
18:42Obviously, Mark Andrews had a couple of rough moments, especially in the first half.
18:46So this was not just like, oh, everything worked out perfectly for Huntley.
18:50And he still had a really nice performance here.
18:52I thought just kept the train on the tracks.
18:55In addition to the fact, like mentioned the screens for Zay Flowers, I will give Declan Doyle credit that he is.
19:01Because I think the first play caller in Derrick Henry's career who's just fought what I've been thinking about since I saw
19:07the dude in the NFL preseason is like, hmm, that guy's bigger than everybody else and faster than almost everybody.
19:13What if we just threw him a screen a couple of times a game and kind of see what happens?
19:19I mean, we're seeing what happened here. He scored the touchdown, obviously, against the Falcons.
19:23And then once you get into overtime, it's a smaller kind of faster defense in Atlanta.
19:27They just could not handle Derrick Henry. So, yeah, I mean, he's going to be doing this, I guess, until the end of time.
19:34It's awesome to watch my close personal friend, Derrick Henry, get the screen usage from Declan Doyle.
19:39Derrick Henry's season best, I think, is 33 receptions.
19:42That was back in, you know, the Tennessee Titan days back in 2022.
19:46But, Matt, like you said, over the last two seasons, 19 and 15 receptions, he already has eight of them here today.
19:52And, you know, our conversation around Zay Flowers stemmed from, hey, is he going to score more touchdowns this year?
19:58Like, no matter what, he was going to kind of pay off.
20:01I thought the wide receiver 15, 16, 17 price tag, whatever he was associated with in your fantasy drafts out there.
20:07Like you guys are saying, he's the wide receiver six at this point.
20:11And it's all because the week he scores a touchdown, he vaults into top six at the position, right?
20:16He scores. That's wide receiver five. Week two, he doesn't, but that's wide receiver 23.
20:21Week three, he scores. Actually, week four, he scores.
20:23That is wide receiver six. And this past week, he doesn't.
20:26And that's wide receiver 22. So if we mix in just like, you know, a career high in touchdowns or get close
20:33to seven, eight, nine of them, and just half of the weeks, we get a top six, top seven week out of
20:39Zay Flowers, that totally changes the conversation and perfectly lines up with Hayden, our expectations or hopes of what Zay Flowers could have been this season.
20:46I will say it's very helpful that Mark Andrews is like, you know, completely washed.
20:51It wasn't just the, you know, the fumble, like you're dropping passes.
20:54There's multiple punch outs at the catch point on top of that.
20:58He doesn't have any yards after the catch juice.
21:00I only brought that up because I think there's a chance that Rashad Bateman could have some relevance in fantasy during these bye weeks and injuries and whatnot.
21:08I think he's playing a little bit better. Mark Andrews, not quite as utilized.
21:12And Lamar Jackson was looking like the MVP before his injury.
21:15So if we can kind of get everything going here, I can squint and see Rashad Bateman like being the wide receiver
21:2236 or so in rankings, even if Zay Flowers is going to be a top 10 guy.
21:27Ah, man, here we go. The big side. Here we go.
21:30But look, I mean, in addition to the fact that, yeah, I do think he's playing better.
21:35He's playing in the slot way more than he ever has in his NFL career.
21:39And that's that's a Declan Doyle thing to 26 percent snaps in the slot for Rashad Bateman.
21:44You know, his previous three seasons, it's nine point eight, seven point seven, nine point seven.
21:48If we want to go back to 2022, 10 percent.
21:51I mean, he's been like this pure perimeter receiver.
21:54And look, obviously, I got Rashad Bateman wrong as a first round player.
21:58And what what I hoped him to become in the league, I do think he kind of got screwed by injuries early on.
22:04But even still, in the best case scenario for Bateman, I never imagined he to be this kind of like vertical stretch X.
22:11And that's the way he's been used just because the other players in the roster, they're getting him on a lot more
22:17of these like crossing and breaking routes off motion.
22:20And he's executing this assignment. And this still is a team that's going to get Jacoby Lane back here in the next few weeks.
22:27It sounds like based on Declan Doyle. So that's a guy that you can stick on the perimeter and kind of have
22:33him take some of those vertical stretch routes. So I can tell myself a story where if Bateman keeps playing well, Zay
22:39is Zay doesn't even really matter what Mark Andrews is like.
22:42This can still be an offense that's on the upturn.
22:45Yeah. And if all the names on the waiver wire are gone in your league, I do think Jacoby Lane is a
22:52name to keep in mind, because in the one half that he has played so far in the NFL, he got three
22:58red zone targets, including two end zone targets. And that's just a styling of a player that, you know, the Ravens don't have a second piece like that.
23:06So I think Jacoby Lane that that was a massive role that he was going to have the season and, you know,
23:12touchdown or bust kind of with Jacoby Lane. All right.
23:15Let's talk about the Atlanta Falcons, their opponents. Look, we saw against the Packers.
23:19We saw against the Saints how good this offense can be.
23:22The offensive line is very good. The running backs are incredible as a tandem.
23:26But we also spoke about maybe some chinks in the armor.
23:30And I think they showed up here in this game against the Ravens.
23:33Like Michael Penix's first start combined one quarterback hit and one sack.
23:37And then here against the Ravens, four quarterback hits and three sacks, which also forced him out of the game just on seven hits.
23:44Mark Ramondi pointed out that Michael Penix is one of 16 when pressured the season.
23:48The only qualified quarterback under 30 percent, according to ESPN.
23:51So, Hayden, what were your thoughts when watching Penix back here?
23:54Yeah, he has a live arm. And then when he's throwing the ball on the money, he can make all these perimeter throws.
24:01And those are very valuable throws. And then he doesn't really work over the middle.
24:05That's been something that goes back to his college and then under pressure because he's so immobile.
24:10And I think that sometimes he kind of spray the ball.
24:13Then all of a sudden his EPA for drop back becomes the worst in the NFL while under pressure.
24:18So I think there is sometimes where because they were chasing in this game or they were trying to figure out exactly
24:25what kind of play action offense they want to be.
24:28They would kind of get him on some of these bootlegs and all of a sudden there would be somebody in his face.
24:34And then the ball just wouldn't get out on time.
24:37There'd be some times where he'd go off and try to scramble for a second.
24:41Like he just can't do that. It's like you saw the very clear limitations when this team's ahead of the scoreboard.
24:47He can put up some crazy numbers. And then I think there is going to be some pretty bad moments if he's in pure drop back situations.
24:55And at least some of these sideline throws aren't going right on the money.
24:59So I think, you know, looking right over the middle where he has very few completions, like he has to get better at that.
25:06I think they're going to try to figure out exactly what type of play action offense they're going to build around him.
25:12And then him playing with this rib injury next week.
25:15I'm assuming he's going to get an injection and be totally fine.
25:19But, you know, like he doesn't want to take too many hits because all of his injuries and I totally get that.
25:25Yeah. And the offensive efficiency stats that I collect, they've been the 26th by week, 26, 32nd, 2nd, 1st, and 17th ranked offense in a given week.
25:33That feels right. Like 17th somewhere around there is where I'd probably expect them to be on like a base case scenario.
25:39They're not going to be as bad as they were in the first two weeks.
25:43But you're right that in perfect situations, I think Penix can absolutely just he can get under center and has had more
25:50movement ability in that regard than I probably would have expected coming off the injuries.
25:54And he can just get back there and in positive down and distance situations, launch it.
25:59Even including some breakers over the middle. He in the in the right environments.
26:03He can absolutely launch it. The problem is, and this is why you can only I think get so high on him
26:09as a prospect is he's not the most like I don't know exactly what way to say, but he's not the most like flexible thrower.
26:16He's not the most creative thrower with some of the angles.
26:19And you felt that with guys like in his face on in the Ravens tape that he just couldn't quite like angle
26:26it over a defensive lineman or kind of throw it sidearm.
26:29He needs to absolutely be on the platform and just, you know, kind of like a like a damn cannon, you know,
26:35just just launch that thing at that point. So he needs the right situations.
26:39And when he when he gets those, he can be a really effective quarterback for the offense that they want to be.
26:45But I think when they get into trouble, that's when it's going to be kind of difficult.
26:50This Ravens pass rush. I think Mike Green had some good reps in this one.
26:55But overall, they're not one of the most ferocious units in the NFL.
26:58Yeah, yeah. No, Trey Hendrickson. Yeah, they were struggling to get off the field on third and long situations until the end of the game.
27:06And that kind of swung it back in their favor when they were finally able to do that.
27:11Hayden, we have, you know, running back rankings on Wednesday, then wide receiver rankings on Friday.
27:15So we're going to talk about this matchup a lot.
27:18But it's a fascinating one because it's at home.
27:21But against the Chicago Bears, the Falcons are three point underdogs here at home.
27:25Still a team total over 23 points. And we know the Bears won't have Montez sweat unless some type of delayed suspension happens.
27:31And that's their best edge rusher. So it's going to be a fascinating one that if they can stay in neutral or
27:38ahead of the scoreboard and the game flow, as you talk about.
27:41But if not, then it kind of is going to have to be Michael Pinnock's against a Dennis Allen coach defense here.
27:47I was not impressed with the Bears defense last week against the Packers.
27:51That included the ground game and how much space that really bad Packers offensive line was generating.
27:56We'll talk about them in a little bit. But I think, you know, the Bears feisty man coverage defense from earlier this season.
28:03I think we're going to look back and be like, that was a fun stretch in September.
28:08And then they were who we thought they were.
28:10Maybe Kyler Gordon coming back is going to help that out.
28:13But, you know, the top two outside corners are, you know, that's they've been struggling.
28:18They have been struggling. OK, there's the four primetime teams.
28:21We have six more in the top 10 and we'll hear from them right after this.
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28:49And today's team is the Houston Texans because they made a trade, as everyone knows.
28:53We've already discussed, but we're going to do it again because I know you guys had a couple of nights of sleep
29:00to really think about your full evaluations of what Marvin Harrison Jr.
29:03is going to look like here on the Houston Texans.
29:06And I think there's been some like great stats that have been thrown out there in the last couple of days.
29:12Like Matt, we got one from Brett Coleman who mentioned, you know, Nico Collins yards per route run on the ball versus off the ball.
29:19And no surprise, that's at 4.1 off the ball versus 2.2 on.
29:23I don't know what the sample size here, Matt is, but I guess my question is simple one is Marv just going
29:29to be a sacrificial X plus a couple extra targets.
29:32And Nico Collins is the one that's going to be able to be moved around here.
29:36Yeah, I responded to that and I was asking whether Brett was like how sure of that he was or if it
29:43wasn't just going to be the inverse here. Cause based on my understanding of the way the Texans view the situation and
29:49I could be totally wrong about this and they could have changed their minds.
29:53They see Nico Collins as an X and they want him to be the X receiver and they only want him to play X.
30:00They don't want him. They want him to play Z a little bit and move around for sure.
30:05But even in the last two games and by the way, they have a sacrificial X receiver on the roster.
30:11They have Kayshawn Booty to do that if they wanted to.
30:14So I've charted the last two games for Nico Collins.
30:17He's been off ball on 17%. He's been on the line of scrimmage on 83% of his snaps, which is definitely a
30:23little bit lower than we've seen previously. But it's still mostly pure X receiver stuff.
30:2714% slot rate over the last two games for Nico Collins.
30:31And by the way, like 2.2 yards per route run is awesome.
30:34Like it's not as if it was, oh God, we got to get him.
30:38We got to get him off the X. Like he's one of the best X is in the league.
30:44So I actually, I would be pretty surprised if this turns into a situation where Harrison is playing anywhere close to the
30:50amount of snaps outside on ball than he was as the Arizona Cardinals receiver.
30:54Because they kind of drafted Jaden Higgins to be like, I think there are times last year where they'd have Higgins and
31:00Nico both as outside on ball receivers. And even in this past week's game, they had that where Nico's the isolated X
31:07and then Kayshawn Booty's outside on ball and in a three by one, then Noel and Dalton Schultz are off ball inside.
31:13I think we'll see some of that. But for the most part, I think it'll be Nico's the X, Harrison's the Z,
31:19and Jalen Noel, who's been kicking ass the last couple games.
31:22He will be the slot receiver. I'm on team Matt as well.
31:26I think Nico Collins could obviously handle the X receiver stuff.
31:29I think the Marvin Harrison experiment at X receiver didn't work, and I want more in breaking routes.
31:34And I think that's exactly what they're trying to get is the Jaden Higgins production from late last year.
31:40So I think that's better suited for Marvin Harrison.
31:42And then I think that Nico Collins obviously could do his thing probably more as like a low end wide receiver one
31:48than the top five guy that he could have been if it was just himself out there.
31:53But my big picture takeaway for the Texans is last week they had a season high and neutral pass rate at 63%.
32:00And I think they should double down on that, especially after the David Montgomery injury, like lean into what Woody Marks is
32:06best as, you know, a check down option. A couple of nice screens from Woody Marks there.
32:11The pass protection is going to be a little bit better than their run blocking, in my opinion.
32:16And I just trust CJ Stroud a whole lot more than whatever they're going to do running the ball.
32:21So like whether it's X, Z, all that type of stuff, I think we're just going to see a new look Texans offense, period.
32:28And I think that CJ Stroud is playing like a top 10 quarterback and can deliver it where I think that Marvin
32:35might not be an every week fantasy wide receiver.
32:37But I think he has a way better chance of being that in this offense than the one of the Texans merely
32:44because there's not a, you know, training pride on this team.
32:47Yeah, and I would expect Marv to come in and play starter snaps immediately.
32:51I mean, I think he got in the building quick enough for him to, you know, get a week of practice under his belt.
32:58And he knows the communication with the quarterback and all that type of stuff.
33:02Unfortunately, it's a tough draw the first time. What they are overseas.
33:05They're facing the Jacksonville Jaguars. They are two and a half point underdogs here.
33:09We know the Jaguars have some pretty dang good quarters out there.
33:13I also bring up Jared Smola, who put together and compiled a list dating back to 2017 of all the wide receivers that were traded midseason.
33:20I think all but three of them saw a downturn in terms of their points per game.
33:25The three that were positive were Amari Cooper back in 2018 that jumped from 9.3 to 17.9.
33:30DeAndre Hopkins in 2024, 6.4 to 10.9. And then we know Devontae Adams a couple of years ago, 15 up to 17.7.
33:36But Matt, that list is, you know, littered with, I mean, another Amari Cooper season.
33:40Rashid Jaheed season, a Calvin Benjamin season. Demarius Thomas towards the end of his career.
33:45Golden Tate as well. So is it kind of skewed towards some players later on in their careers versus someone that should
33:51honestly be at the peak of his career in Marv?
33:54Totally. I think there's a lot of similarities to the Amari Cooper trade here.
33:58Now, Cooper got off to a much better start in his NFL career than Marvin Harrison did from a production standpoint.
34:04He had 2,000 yard seasons to start. But he was a guy that in his third season started to kind of slip for in terms of production.
34:12And, you know, I had this theory for years with him where I was like, this is a guy that needs to not.
34:18I know he's the fourth overall pick and he's got the body type for it.
34:23And he's like theoretically this great route runner. But the consistency isn't there from the X receiver spot.
34:28He needs to kick over to Z. And then that's exactly what happened with Amari Cooper.
34:32He gets to Dallas. He kicks over to Z.
34:35By the way, our colleague Nate Tice actually was on some of those Raiders staffs.
34:39And I was talking to him about this. He goes, yeah, no, we moved him to Z one game.
34:45And he immediately like goes off against Kansas City or something like that.
34:49So they were having the same thoughts inside the building.
34:51And I think that's part of the deal with Harrison here that, yeah, he he's just a weird player, man, where obviously
34:58he's never going to be the generational talents, a stupid term.
35:01But he's never going to be that guy. But he is a guy that I think can function.
35:06He's just like more of a supersized craftsman receiver than this big physical dominant X.
35:10So I think he's going to go that way.
35:13So that's what you have to tell yourself if you're a Texans fan is that this is going to be a little
35:19more like a diet Coke version of the Amari Cooper trade.
35:22And Hayden, even for the Houston Texans to rank seventh here in wide receiver usage is quite high.
35:28Considering that Nico Collins missed multiple games. Considering this team doesn't run, you know, the highest rate of 11 personnel.
35:33They love their extra bodies. They they have four tight ends on the field last week, too.
35:38So I just really hope this condenses at some point away from Xavier Hutchinson and Kayshaun Booty.
35:43And we get in two wide receiver sets, Nico and Marv.
35:46And when we get into 11 personnel, you bring Jalen Nolan, you know, for his awesome two catches.
35:51And then they forget about him until the next time they want to run three wide receiver sets.
35:57And that's it. You know, and Marv like, hey, you and I have had countless conversations about this.
36:02Whatever pre-Jeff thoughts, I think that those are out the window.
36:05Right. He is not a, you know, total package of a player.
36:08To me, he just really needs to focus in on some areas that he he can thrive in and be dependable in.
36:15Like in college, some of his tight window stuff I thought was very good.
36:19And he can't just have like mental lapses on top of that.
36:22And it feels like in the NFL so far, he's had mental lapses.
36:26Just some targets go off his hands. And then we know in the first two seasons of his career, the tight window
36:32stuff was some of the worst in the league.
36:35Yeah. Yeah. He just has to get better. You know, I think that, you know, you're limiting how many like speed based
36:41routes he has to run in this offense. I think that's going to be helpful for him.
36:46And I'm just hoping that he regresses to what he looked like in college at the catch point where he was really good at it.
36:53My my my I agree with you on the the the role specifically.
36:57Xavier Hutchinson and Kayshawn Booty. My fear is that those guys are just going to play a little bit more than we want.
37:04Like Nico Collins is in the full time player.
37:06Nate had a theory that they don't use Nico Collins in every single snaps like, you know, kind of conserve his soft tissues.
37:13He's had like an extensive injury history. Oh, but if like we're still getting like Kayshawn and Xavier Hutchinson for like 50% of the snaps.
37:20That's how this experiment does not matter in fantasy.
37:22I do think if Marvin does get, you know, 80% of the routes, I think he can be fantasy relevant.
37:28But if that's like 60% because they want to keep these other guys involved for other reasons, like that's how this experiment
37:35kind of, you know, falls on its face. And one final point here, CJ Stroud, I don't think it's been what a
37:41top 12 quarterback in fancy football since his rookie season.
37:44I think this is a great season for him to do that, you know, rest of way top 12 quarterback in terms of spread it out, pick apart.
37:52And Matt, I mean, this perfectly lines up this week for that against the Jacksonville Jaguars who are allowing what 63 rushing
37:58yards per game on defense number one in the league.
38:01And so while Woody Marks is coming in week to week as the lead ball carrier for this team, and he will
38:07be a start, at least in your flexes, just because he owns this role in comparison to everyone else.
38:13I really hope we get a nice taste of what CJ is going to, you know, just chuck it around the yard
38:19and touch every single blade of grass with the football.
38:2229th ranked team in rushing EPA are the Houston Texans.
38:25The Jacksonville Jaguars defense is number one in rushing EPA allowed.
38:28So, yeah, it's definitely a stoppable force, immovable object matchup here.
38:31You'd think this is a funnel situation where they just this is the theory of the case here is that they go spread.
38:38They get all these eligibles out. Yeah, there's also part of this, too, where they probably got Marv in the mix to
38:44just take some more X receiver stuff off Nico's plate when they go to 13 personnel and stuff like that, because they're
38:50definitely worried about the soft tissue thing with Nico.
38:53The way he like popped off on Twitter about it.
38:56And like I've had conversations with Nico before. He's not a pop off kind of guy.
39:00You can tell he's mad about it. That's probably why they didn't give him a contract extension.
39:05They just gave him a raise this past year.
39:08So there's there's some stuff there with the injury thing.
39:11There's no question. There's stuff with injuries and Nico, but I like how this sets up for Stroud.
39:16He's number two in the NFL and catchable air yards behind only Jared Goff.
39:20And I think there's a chance he could finish number one this year.
39:24Okay, let's talk about their opponent then in the Jacksonville Jaguars.
39:27Because facial toot and Hayden has the most runs of 15 plus miles per hour in the NFL right now.
39:33I don't think this is easy. He's getting hit behind the line of scrimmage quite often, as we saw near the goal line this week, too.
39:40And just between the 20s on top of it.
39:43And unfortunately, the Jaguars just lost their left tackle Anton Harrison for at least four weeks, if not the entire season, depending on how significant this surgery is.
39:51What's your overall view of Tootin and this Jaguars offense right now?
39:54Among backup tackles, like you have Walker Little to kind of fill in there.
39:58So like it's a downgrade, but it's not like as big as like some other downgrades with Tootin, though.
40:04Very frustrating because he's a good player making a lot of explosive plays like you're talking about and breaking a bunch of tackles.
40:10And it just hasn't like really translated to fantasy points.
40:13Like he's the RB18, RB21 usage on the season.
40:16Like once they get down to the goal line, like this team's just total panic mode in terms of like false starts,
40:22delay games, Chris Rodriguez, Wildcat, Basial Tootin motion plays that are very predictable.
40:26Like there's they're overthinking things. But I think the reason they are is because the offensive line is just like not good.
40:32I just, you know, like creating a lane in short yardage situations.
40:35And then Tootin's also averaging 1.8 receptions per game.
40:38That's RB34. So he's one of these players where either they're going to start passing him the ball.
40:43They're just going to commit to him at the goal line and just stop overthinking things.
40:48And that's how we can get closer to the RB12 for the rest of the season.
40:52I think that's very, very well within the range of outcomes or this is what they view him as.
40:58And he's kind of like not a trap back.
41:00He's better than that. But because the offensive line is just a tier below the rest of the league, that he's just
41:07going to be like an upside RB2 where I'm waiting for the game where he's going to finish as the RB3 in
41:13a week here, like any, any moment. But I do think that the goal line role is kind of odd and the
41:19amount of receptions are kind of odd. And I think that's like the real reasons why he hasn't like reached this crazy
41:26potential, even though he's reached that potential as a player himself.
41:29You can only kind of get too high on Jacksonville Jaguar players overall, too, because they're one of the slowest teams in
41:35the NFL, not play speed, but like getting like pace of play.
41:39They're actually only ahead of the Miami Dolphins in pace this year because they take forever to get these play calls in.
41:45And this is the downside of all the motions and shifts.
41:48You could you can even tell Trevor was pissed about it this past week where he's obviously has the play where he
41:54really freaks out after a delay of game. But he's signaling these guys like get get in motion so I can snap the damn ball already.
42:02So that that's a little bit of an issue.
42:04Not that at this point, I think we've kind of given up the ghost on any of the receivers other than Parker Washington.
42:11You know, Brenton Strange has been popping, but I mean, they can't really get a lot of plays off their 31st in seconds per play this year.
42:19It's very it's not quite the same as kind of like some of those Rogers offenses where they do all the shifting
42:25and he do all the pointing and stuff at the line.
42:28They're kind of in that area right now, which is a small part of the tootin story that also has sort of
42:35not allowed him to completely break out yet. But I think I think he looks great.
42:39It's just a matter of if we can get some of those money touches his way.
42:44Yeah, if you guys told me that Basial Tootin would be clearly the running back one on this team and the Jaguars
42:50would kind of be this good overall as a team, I would think that Tootin would be much higher than the running
42:56back 18 in points per game at this point.
42:59But he's not. He's almost just slightly higher. He's a small win right now versus where we selected him in drafts.
43:05But that just makes me want to like suggest him as a buy low if that is a possibility out there and
43:11just believe in that there is going to be the games like you mentioned Hayden that he breaks a 3040 plus yarder.
43:18I mean, he did a couple weeks ago and it got brought back.
43:21Right. So I think the big games are ahead.
43:24But if they're not, I don't think it's because of him.
43:27I think it's what we're talking about. It's the offensive line.
43:30And that's where it comes down to it. And he even has like the highest, you know, market share on the team
43:37in terms of carries inside the 10 yard line at 55%.
43:40That's only five of them, you know, and he's competing with running backs that have 12, 15, 17, all that type of stuff.
43:46Yeah, 55% is it's good that he's leading the team, but there's other running backs where it's like 80% as well.
43:52So, yeah. And then in the red zone, like Jacoby Myers is running crossers.
43:56Brendan Strange scoring some touchdowns on occasion. We obviously have the Parker Washington's explosives and some of the design stuff.
44:02So there's a lot of, you know, mouths to feed here.
44:05I think we mentioned Brendan Strange a couple times.
44:08I think, you know, he's becoming more and more interesting.
44:11Caught seven of his eight targets last week. That's a 35% target share.
44:15He was tackled at the one yard line twice on those.
44:18Like we would have really been talking about him like, you know, like leading the waiver wire if he would have scored touchdowns on them.
44:25And that tends to kind of even out. So the tight end 15 expected points over his last four games.
44:31We know he's a good player. There's a couple like wide open reps for Brendan Strange running across the middle there.
44:37And certified, like good football player. So, you know, now that we like fully crossed off Ryan Thomas.
44:42I think that, you know, we have a chance here for Brendan Strange to be somewhere on the tight end 12 ish.
44:48By the way, we've lost a lot of fancy tight ends over like the last couple of weeks.
44:53Like all of a sudden that really deep position.
44:56Like I was doing my rankings. I was like, oh, we're back to that position where tight end 10, tight end 14.
45:02There's not a whole lot going on. And I think I would just like blindly take a stab at Brent, Brenton Strange instead.
45:09Well, to me, it makes sense. One, he runs a lot of the routes where this Liam Cohen offense is created around, right?
45:15Intermediate over the middle of the field. And this team runs a hefty amount of 12 personnel after drafting Borkercher.
45:21And so in that, he becomes their third most important pass catcher on the team.
45:26And then he's out there in single tight end stuff.
45:28And again, is running the routes in the area of the field that they want to attack versus BTJ, who's on the outside doing what he does.
45:36So, yeah, I mean, the tight end 13 week one, the tight end six last week, and then the tight end 11 in week five.
45:43If I'm sure Matt will get questions on Sunday morning, if just before this game, maybe if Brenton Strange should be in the flex conversations here.
45:51Yeah, and I think that I think Brenton Strange is kind of in that perfect zone that you want a tight end
45:57to be in where he's good enough in line doing real deal tight end stuff that he doesn't really come off the field.
46:04But he is a guy that was sort of profiled to coming into the league as one of those move flex tight ends.
46:10And I think he kind of is able to do a little bit of both.
46:15So he's not quite like the T-Ferg or Dalton Kincaid lift the lid 13 personnel tight end, which is great because then
46:21he's going to actually be in the areas where he gets real deal targets.
46:25So, yeah, at this point, I think he's the second most important pass catcher on the team behind Parker Washington, who's far
46:31and away the most important pass catcher on the team.
46:34What a what a stud. What a stud. Parker Washington.
46:37I had great game this past week. Like if you any concerns after, you know, one catch for whatever yards like stuff happens.
46:44Move on. Yeah. And it's awesome. You know, when they drop back 39 times when in previous games, they go for 24.
46:50So, yeah, I mean, when they are ever pushed like they were and they drop back 32, 35, whatever it is that many times.
46:57Parker Washington is going to get fed the football because he's really freaking good at his job.
47:02Can I ask you guys can I ask you guys one thing?
47:05Like, do we think Brian Thomas Jr. gets traded or I know they keep saying they that they don't want to like he's more valuable to us.
47:13But like, are we are we sure he's more valuable to them at this point?
47:17I like I get that was crazy to not get that.
47:20What uniform would he look best in, Matt? LSU.
47:23I don't know, man. It's really tough to say because because he's because he's already tried that, Matt.
47:28That's true. He's still young. I don't know. He's he's just kind of a weird player at this point, too, because I
47:34know people think like, oh, he's just doing the sacrificial X receiver stuff.
47:38He's not. He's actually playing all three receiver positions.
47:41He's not just outside on ball. He moves all around.
47:44He just is totally not involved. And I mean, the film on his rookie year was not quite as good as the
47:50production, but was perfectly good enough to think like, OK, we're going in the right direction here.
47:55And he just hasn't gotten back to that. So I don't really know what to say about that.
48:00Is that similar to I think with Marv's film, I'm totally willing to just throw that out this year because obviously he
48:06was not happy and was trying to get out of there.
48:10And the whole deal is BTJ the same. Maybe, maybe.
48:12But I mean, I think a team like I said, I'll always say Kansas City is like an outside receiver that can beat man coverage.
48:20But at this point, it just I'm questioning whether he's actually more valuable to them than as a guy like let's just
48:26trade him for a third or something and see what happens.
48:29Well, hey, on that note, I think they're very well set up to move on from Brian Thomas Jr.
48:35They have Josh Cameron who can do some real dirty work stuff is already like one of the best blocking wide receivers out there.
48:41And then if they ever wanted to feature Travis Hunter at all again on offense, this is another pathway of doing that.
48:48So I think the Chiefs are an example. I think the Raiders are an example.
48:52Do any other suit your fancy here? Hey, I mean, the Chiefs are just like so beyond perfect.
48:57Like, you know, he's the perfect Taequann Thornton, I guess.
49:00Yeah, I think the hard part is just would you go for more or less than Marv?
49:05Less, right? It would have to be less, but it would be less.
49:09I would view them pretty similar. To be honest, I thought that rookie tape was, you know, pretty outstanding in some areas.
49:15And, you know, I think that he still has a ton of potential and he's still really young as well.
49:21So I would be open to I think the hard part is, you know, Jacksonville is trying to win the Super Bowl this year.
49:28It's like you're getting future capital. That's nice. But like you're in the driver's seat in the AFC right now.
49:33It's like make a real run. Yeah. And there's not a like completely dominant team that I can see another team valuing him more.
49:40But if you're Jacksonville, like you're an aggressive team, like, you know, holding on to Brian Thomas, like almost seems like the more aggressive move.
49:47I think that's a great point. Like they're in a much different team state than the Arizona Cardinals are.
49:53And, you know, what is something happened to Parker Washington?
49:56Or what if something happened to Jacoby Myers? And you need that Brian Thomas Jr.
50:00game in the playoffs or in the Super Bowl.
50:03And you didn't you couldn't get it because you traded him away.
50:06So, yeah, the long view of that makes a lot of sense.
50:10OK, let's talk about the Denver Broncos because Sean Payton took back over play calling.
50:14Harmon, did you see any differences? I mean, to me, the biggest difference is that R.J.
50:18Harvey dominated the workload in week four and then J.K.
50:21Dobbins dominated the workload in week five. And then we don't know what's going to happen and who dominates the workload once Jonah Coleman comes back.
50:29Because Sean Payton loved talking about Jonah Coleman this offseason, too.
50:32But I do think like Coleman should be stashed everywhere just in case, because like they tried to make it work with J.K.
50:39Dobbins. And it's just it's not going to work with the way he's playing in his current form.
50:44He was asked. I don't know if we talked about this, but he was asked about his health status.
50:49And, you know, he kind of played a little coy of like, yeah, what's healthy?
50:54Am I healthy? What is healthy? So just like I think that might be where he's at at this point.
50:59But, yeah, they slammed him up the gut a few times, didn't really go anywhere.
51:04And the passing game was completely the same. You can't just get in there, Sean Payton, and push the make Bo Nix
51:10throw over the middle of the field plays. Great stat.
51:13Brett Coleman getting a lot of pop on this show.
51:16Great stat from Brett Coleman from next gen stats.
51:18Fifty eight percent of Denver's dropbacks this year. There is a route breaking to the intermediate middle of the field.
51:24That's the third highest rate in the league. Bo Nix is thrown to those on just 11 percent of those dropbacks.
51:30Third lowest rate in the league. They're targeting running backs at the highest rate.
51:34They're super spread out from a pass distribution standpoint.
51:37And I don't think that is by design. Those again, we're all watching the tape like those plays are open.
51:42The quarterback is just not he's just not playing as well as he has previously.
51:47Even if you were skeptical about Bo Nix, this is the worst he's ever played.
51:51And is it injury? I don't know. But this was something I didn't expect to happen and why I've gotten the Jalen
51:57Waddle thing very, very wrong this year. I completely agree on Nick's like this is the worst I've seen him play.
52:03There's like moments where he could be stepping up to throw it.
52:07And then like he just gets, you know, like parallel with the like sideline and just like full panic mode.
52:12And then I saw a good note from Steven Ruiz where he's only scrambled a couple of times this year, where previously
52:19it was at 54 times per year, 34 times per year.
52:22And those were very valuable reps like them picking up first downs because of Bo Nix.
52:27Like we're removing that so far coming off the ankle surgery.
52:30And then on the Sean Payton note, season low in neutral pass rate, not even close.
52:3443% last week. Every other week, Bo Nix was at 55% higher than that.
52:38And the average is around 50%. So I think that was kind of notable.
52:42And I think that correlates to the J.K. Dobbin stuff who does not look amazing.
52:47But I will also say this Broncos offensive line that I thought was maybe the best unit last year.
52:52This center is really struggling. That's in protection and running the ball like the interior of the offensive line was dominant last year.
52:59I have not noticed that this season as well.
53:01So I think some of this does fall to the offensive line.
53:05Also not playing quite as well as it did the previous seasons.
53:08If I'm sorry, Josh, if I could just make a note about the scramble yards.
53:13These are the quarter. These guys still have more yards on scrambles than Bo Nix.
53:17Ethan Callie-Ikmanis, Jack Strand, Drew Locke and Tyson Bajan.
53:19Well, sorry, in fairness, Bo Nix, Bajan and Drew Locke are tied with 14 yards on scrambles.
53:24Yes, very fair for you. Yes. Like you mentioned, Hayden, Bo Nix, 54 scrambles in 2024, 34 in 2025.
53:30He's on pace for 17 this season. And it kind of goes back to the theory that I had last week that,
53:36hey, these ankle issues for all three of the big fancy assets that we are drafting have, I think, really shown up
53:42in terms of some change games or some production on top of it.
53:46When Sean Judkins came scatiboo and especially he were with Bo Nix.
53:50I don't think Bo, you know, trust where his health is at this point.
53:54And it makes sense after you have all season surgery to this.
53:57And so his clock is sped up because his pressure to sack rate has always been at the top of his mind.
54:03And so if he doesn't want to be sacked and if he doesn't feel like he can move as much as he
54:10used to, then again, like we said, that leads to check downs.
54:13And then he just ran into like a sack on a three man rush.
54:17I mean, just drifted directly into it. And we never saw that previously.
54:21So he's just not comfortable with, I think, where he's at as an individual right now.
54:25Hey, anything you want to say about the Broncos here?
54:28Yeah, I got one thing on Jalen Waddle. So I think that the big thing, Bo Nix not playing as well, like
54:35that's, you know, explains part of why Waddle has been not a good fancy pick.
54:39He's dropped more passes than he ever has. And like those come up like on pretty like bad times plays where I
54:45think there was some like yak opportunities across them.
54:48But in terms of the like actual usage, he only has five receptions for five yards on screens.
54:53Like this is the team that had the most screens over the last couple of years.
54:58And he's not nearly involved in that as I thought he was going to be.
55:02Like I think that he was going to have like two screens per game.
55:06He's averaging just like one. And then on 15 plus air yard throws, he's two of six on them.
55:11But it's not just that the rate isn't there.
55:14Like only six targets more than 15 yards downfield.
55:17When I've watched Bo Nix, like throw the ball 60 yards down the field.
55:21And these huge, crazy design rollouts, like way worse players than Jalen Waddle.
55:24Like we're not getting those either. So like to me, it's the layups and the shot plays like the volume isn't there.
55:31So he's like kind of been this like underneath intermediate player, but not like by like, like manufacturer touches.
55:36And he hasn't been quite as good on those himself.
55:391.3 yards per route is by far a career low for him.
55:42So I think the efficiency will regress. But more screens, more shot plays.
55:46Like I'm like shocked that we're not getting either one of those.
55:50Yep. I thought we would get everything that Marvin Mims has done over the last two years, transported over to Jalen Waddle
55:56and then just more actual wide receiver stuff like good wide receiver stuff.
56:00And then unfortunately, when the Marvin Mims and Troy Franklin screens left the playbook, they didn't go to Jalen Waddle and they just vanished.
56:07Like Matt, I watched way too many screens to worse players than Jalen Waddle over the past two years for Jalen Waddle not to get them this season.
56:15It's pretty frustrating. And Mims still has three screen targets this year.
56:18Pat Bryant has two. That was mostly in like the first game, which was bizarre that it's like, oh, we're dialing up.
56:24I like Pat Bryant, but we're dialing up screens to Pat Bryant.
56:28Yeah. I thought Mims would just completely go away.
56:30He hasn't. They're one of the most widespread target trees in the NFL too.
56:34And it's just like nothing is really happening here, which again, I think goes back to the quarterback play.
56:40But I feel like we got the role right from like a pre-snap move around the whole deal, like the route tree for Jalen Waddle.
56:47Just yeah. Calling balls and strikes. He's left players on the field and then the quarterback is leaving open routes on the field.
56:54So I think there's a chance that this gets this gets better with Knicks because we've seen him play better.
56:59But that's mostly just because it can't get much worse than this.
57:03Seahawks now. So maybe in two weeks. Okay. Yeah.
57:05Save that for the week. Yeah. Save that for the next week stats versus film.
57:10Okay. Yeah. And I also want to say there's like one egregious drop every single week for Jalen Waddle.
57:15So it's not just the environment here. He's we're fair and balanced to make the plays that are on the table for him.
57:22We're, we're doing our best. Okay. LA chargers are up next.
57:25I mean, Hey, and I got a comment last week that said that we don't explain enough or often enough why the chargers are dysfunctional.
57:32I feel like we talked about it after week one at length.
57:36And then it's just been the same thing every single week with now worse offensive line play on top of it, that
57:42the order of operations is just so chaotic and that no one can get on the same page that it just is again, dysfunctional on top of it.
57:50I think the one big fancy takeaway here is that Kamani Vidal had his 42 yard touchdown run, broke multiple tackles on the outside.
57:57Uh, he's also their most trusted pass protector, but Hayden, do you think that this gets to a point where Vidal is
58:03actually fancy relevant or does it get to a point when none of these running backs are fancy relevant?
58:09I think we're at the none. Uh, yeah, I guess Hampton is like still going to be the goal line back.
58:15So if you're desperate for a flex play, like you can like hope that he just scores a touchdown and eventually he'll
58:21have an explosive run, but he was out there for three of 34 dropbacks for Omarion Hampton because Vidal is a much
58:27better pass protector and because Keaton Mitchell is like, they're like fun back.
58:31So we're, we're in a very bad spot for Omarion Hampton.
58:34The offensive line is starting for, uh, backups right now, including both the tackle spots.
58:38And I think part of this, it just simply does fall on Justin Herbert throwing interceptions right to zone defenders who he's staring at.
58:45And there's no reason to be doing that. Like, I don't get it.
58:49Like Justin Herbert has playing really bad football on like, you know, five plays per game, but those are like very costly mistakes.
58:56Uh, last week they had nobody to throw the ball to, uh, the, I would also mention like stuff like fullback in
59:02tight end blocking is just beyond pathetic in this offense.
59:05Like there's some like huge Gadsden, you know, whiffs, uh, that were just derailing some of these runs as well.
59:11So, you know, credit for Kamani Vidal breaking those tackles, but that was also against the, you know, the Broncos who their linebackers can't tackle anybody.
59:18And he looks really slow. So I don't think that humanity Vidal is going to matter except that he's just going to eat all these pass protection snaps.
59:26So now we can like literally project Hampton for zero or one catch per game.
59:30And that's going to also limit Keaton Mitchell too.
59:33Yeah. I don't know what people want us to say about this team because they're still having all of the same issues
59:39you mentioned with the fullbacks and the tight end.
59:42And that was like part of the theory of why this offense could be fun and interesting this year is like those guys would be great role players.
59:50I mean, the fullbacks disaster. So take the one, take the wanted poster down McDaniel.
59:54That was like, it's crazy. Yeah. So to your point on that Hayden, Matt Money Smith, who was the play by play
60:01guy of, of the chargers set, told the story that there were wanted posters during free agency of Alec Ingalls out there
60:07who obviously McDaniel coached in Miami and you know, the escort screens, the guy that, you know, the straw that stirs the
60:13drink and all this type of stuff. And he's been truly one of the worst, just like from a timing standpoint and
60:20assignment who to block players on the field. Chargers is crazy.
60:23Yeah. And blocking. Chargers fans are going to put up the wanted poster for a different reason now for Alec Ingalls.
60:29But yeah, I mean, they, they dropped down to the basement of the NFL in terms of a pass rate over expected
60:35this last week, but then there's still 29th and rushing success rate 25th and yards before contact.
60:40Like nothing is working here and what are you, what are you going to do when your top receivers are MVS at this point in his career?
60:48That's pathetic. Theo Weiss, your Trey Harris. It's like, Oh, I'm excited to see Trey Harris's role grow.
60:53He he's out right away. It's injured. I mean, it's just, they're out there with a preseason offensive line and a preseason receiver core.
61:00And you still can't do Justin Herbert apologist stuff because he makes, he's like just digging the hole deeper.
61:05It's, it's, it's really bad. I, and it's not, I just, it's not going to, I don't think it's going to get any better.
61:12And Jim Harbaugh has no answers either. His interviews at halftime.
61:15It's, it's so, it's so bad. It's just like, he's staring like the thousand yard stare says nothing.
61:20He has no answers. So I think it's over.
61:23Yeah. This week, they're projected for the lowest points in the NFL.
61:26Worse than the Browns. Worse than the Cardinals. Worse than the Jets.
61:30Worse than the Titans at 17.25 against the Kansas City Chiefs.
61:33I mean, Hayden, Ladd McConkie suited up. He did not play a snap.
61:37People just have to tune in on Friday to see where you rank Ladd McConkie in wide receiver rankings this week.
61:43Okay. Let's talk about the New York Jets. And Matt, I do want to send it to you first because Garrett Wilson, pretty good at football.
61:50Very good at football. It's finally happening for Garrett Wilson.
61:53Maybe. I mean, he's on pace to have the best season of his career.
61:57105 catches, 1,271 yards. Despite playing the fewest percentage of snaps in the slot that he's ever played.
62:02Like, he's playing real deal outside wide receiver and obviously crushing it.
62:06He was simply uncoverable on tape with this past week against the Browns.
62:10He was just completely open every single, like, all over the place.
62:13And it's all these breaking routes that we're showing on the screen here for Garrett Wilson.
62:18This is stuff he's been doing at an elite level since he got into the league.
62:2293rd percentile success rate versus man last year when he was active in RP.
62:26Like, this is one of the best receivers in the NFL talent-wise.
62:30And he's got a quarterback who's just willing to rip it to him.
62:33So, yeah, I think we can buy what's happening with Garrett Wilson right now.
62:37Like, kind of a buy-high type player in fantasy because I don't see this changing.
62:42Unless Geno gets benched for Cade Clubnick, which, you know, that's maybe December problem.
62:46Not right now. I just want to give a quick credit to the coaching staff here.
62:50Denzel Ward plays on the right side of the field.
62:53And then Garrett Wilson in this game played more snaps at the left side.
62:57And you see a lot of those kind of crossing routes.
63:00That was to be away from Denzel Ward, who's having a good season.
63:04And then some of the routes where he was on the right side, they would be motioning him away where Denzel Ward
63:10would be, you know, covering Isaiah Williams or whoever it was.
63:14It's also helpful that Tim Patrick's out there just running wind sprints.
63:17Like, he's just going to be out there for 100% of the snaps and getting zero targets.
63:22Like, the ball is going to get bundled. He looks awesome.
63:25I think Geno Smith's playing fine enough football. And I just think that, you know, Frank Reich versus all the shots that
63:31we're taking towards him, I think rightfully so before the season.
63:35I think he's doing enough things right now to get creative.
63:38Totally. Totally agree with that. Hey, and I do want to ask you about Braylon Allen and this running game.
63:43Uh, right now, Braylon Allen is sixth in the NFL in terms of missed tackles forced per attempt.
63:49Uh, Brees Hall, we know, has missed weeks and who knows if he's going to play here in week six.
63:54He was mostly the bell cow early on this season.
63:57Has Braylon Allen done enough to make this a split backfield when Brees returns?
64:01I would say maybe like some degree, but there's like a pretty different, uh, style between Braylon Allen and Brees Hall.
64:07Uh, so for as long as Brees Hall is not out there, I'm treating Braylon Allen as a very serious fantasy running back to.
64:14He had one of the funniest reps of the week where, you know, Denzel Ward, poor guy was like in the box
64:21and he was the field defender and Braylon Allen lowered his head.
64:24And I mean, my God, like just completely shook the entire stadium.
64:27So that was like really fun stuff. Uh, he was the RB 13 and usage last week, two weeks ago.
64:33They had the fourth use plays in NFL history.
64:36So if you throw that game out, like we're looking at like a very real, like fringe RB one in fantasy, by
64:42the way, Isaiah Davis, his last touch going into halftime right there was one of the worst fumbles I've seen the entire season.
64:49And they didn't go back to him a single time after not using him at all on offensive plays through like the first four weeks.
64:56So this is like the first time we saw Isaiah Davis and it was a bad rep.
65:01Uh, Braylon also had a fumble, but I think that was a little bit more forgivable.
65:05Given the context of the play and what happened there.
65:08Um, so yeah, not an easy matchup this week.
65:11They're only projected for 18 points, but Braylon Allen lowering his shoulder and like not coming off the field.
65:16Like that's, you know, better than a lot of fancy running backs.
65:20Okay. Let's go to Cleveland Browns. Um, Matt prior to the show, I asked you guys, if you had any good things
65:26to say, well, not good things, quality pieces of information about the Cleveland Browns.
65:30Uh, tell the people share your thoughts on where the Cleveland Browns are at right now, because, you know, I went on
65:36a long monologue last week about just how good Todd Munkin is in terms of, uh, putting players in the correct places and winning some tight contests.
65:44Uh, I thought this game, he was really let down by his quarterback.
65:48I thought Deshaun Watson fricking sucked this week. Yeah.
65:50Deshaun is not good. I mean, we don't have to pretend at all that he's, he's anything more.
65:56I mean, he's listen, he's better than the worst quarterback I've ever seen play, which is what he was previously.
66:01Which was him. So yeah, correct. Yes. Which was, which was Deshaun Watson.
66:05So now, so he's better than that. Uh, he's functional adjacent, like somewhere between functional and, and unplayable is where Deshaun is
66:11right now, which is again, big improvement. Meanwhile, though, I mean, Denzel Boston is, uh, is a kick-ass player, dude.
66:17Um, it's, I w I wish someone would have called him diet Coke, Mike Evans, for the NFL draft.
66:23That would have been, that would have been a great comp.
66:26Um, that was me. But anyways, uh, yeah, I like Mike, uh, the Denzel Boston just looks great out there and he's
66:32running as a, like the truest purist X only player.
66:35I mean, he is on ball 96% of the snaps I've charted so far in the slot on 6%.
66:40It's old school, classic X stuff. And I can't believe people thought this guy couldn't separate, couldn't get open.
66:46He gets open and it's in, it was, it was insane to me.
66:50It was the most like big receiver stereotyping since Tedro McMillan, since Drake London.
66:54Like this happens every draft class and Denzel Boston's another one of these guys.
66:58And he wasn't quite in that tier of prospect to me.
67:01I did have those guys ranked higher, but he's still been unbelievably good so far better than I expected.
67:06Um, he gets open, he makes contested catches and it's all these like deep stop routes too.
67:11That that's why Deshaun has had a good connection with him because I think Deshaun is not seeing the middle of the
67:17field well at all and not like letting those plays develop.
67:21But when you can take those quick outs and stops and even now, like in this game against the Jets, there's a
67:27couple of really big time, like slant wins where he's wide open.
67:30And Deshaun doesn't throw them all the time. I just think Denzel is crushing it right now.
67:35Um, I just had, uh, right before this, I was live for the fantasy forecast with Dwayne McFarlane sat in for Ray Garvin.
67:42He actually said he thinks like Denzel Boston's a good sell high candidate in fantasy just because of the environment, some of
67:48the usage and how he's been hitting on big plays.
67:51And I think that's totally fair. It's just really hard for me to get on board with the sell high on Denzel Boston.
67:58Cause I think the film has been so good on him.
68:01Um, and even like from a dynasty standpoint, I'm, I'm going to rocket him up my rankings next time I update them for my site.
68:08Yeah. Dynasty wise, he's going to be a home run selection.
68:11I understand like, you know, the, the selling high right now, I mean, he's the wide receiver 21 usage wise.
68:17He's the wide receiver 36. That's a pretty substantial gap there.
68:20But like you said, like throw the ball up to Denzel Boston and like sometimes that's in the red zone.
68:26And we had, obviously we've had a couple of those plays, but sometimes that's just like an eight yard played near the sticks.
68:32And just like, let's see if he comes down with it.
68:36Uh, I love that off coverage rep that he had where he kind of like slow played.
68:40It starts inside, goes back outside, uh, and then ends up winning over the top with enough speed.
68:46And you don't have to be super fast to win on the perimeter.
68:49However, if corners are afraid that you're just going to dunk on them underneath, like that is enough to create a little bit of separation over the top.
68:57And if he, if he doesn't have separation, he's still going to make plays on the ball.
69:02So I think he's a very good football player matchup wise, uh, this week.
69:06Uh, the Ravens have allowed a lot of big wide receivers, downfield wide receivers to have big games.
69:11And we'll see about Casey Concepcion, who is like a really disgusting hit on Casey Concepcion earlier in that game.
69:17Like you truly did hate to see it. Um, and that's obviously, you know, funnels the ball to Denzel Boston even more.
69:24Yeah. And I would put that blame on Deshaun Watson, to be honest, like that ball was poorly placed.
69:29It was behind him. He twisted right into the defender who lowered his helmet and hit him on a nasty spot where,
69:35you know, if it was between the numbers or in front of him, direction he was running.
69:40Casey Concepcion probably would be playing this week. Matt, my favorite route for Denzel Boston was that hinge route along the sideline.
69:47Like he is threatening these corners in film studies so much that they don't want to be beat over top.
69:52And so he is, again, despite his size, able to threaten vertically and then just hinge back.
69:57And I thought that was one of Deshaun's best throws was the timing of that.
70:01Some anticipation to just lay it out there. And that's kind of an uncoverable play.
70:06Like we saw that with Mike Evans, no matter who his quarterback was in Tampa year after year after year.
70:12So my favorite thing about Denzel Boston and what I always look for with draft prospects is how they won in college.
70:18Are they winning in the exact same way once they get to the league?
70:22And Denzel Boston is doing it in the exact same way, which is awesome because that means his game, despite some size
70:28and athletic differences between college and the NFL is translating 100%.
70:31And I think there's meat left on the bone.
70:34I don't know if it's going to get carved off the bone this year just because of Deshaun.
70:39Like how long is he going to play in the whole deal?
70:43But they're not moving him around at all. And maybe Todd Monk is a guy that doesn't want to move the X all that much.
70:50I mean, we just talked about this earlier with Bateman where he was basically X only, never kicked into the slot.
70:56But I think he's a guy that could do like what Tedrow McMillan is doing this year and move into the slot.
71:02We're not talking full time power slot, any of that, but just between 25 and 30% would kind of increase the weekly
71:08floor for a guy like Denzel Boston. So, yeah, home run pick by the Cleveland Browns.
71:13And I think Casey Concepcion is going to get going if he can get on the field again.
71:18And Jerry Judy, I mean, I did see Jordan Schultz said that they want a third or a fourth round pick.
71:24Yeah, OK, it's good to want things. You're not getting a third round pick.
71:28But that would I know he's barely involved, but that would open up like a 10% target share maybe for some of these guys to get.
71:36Because I don't think Isaiah Bond is like anything more than a splash role player that you're giving the football to three or so times a game.
71:43So there's that. All right, Matt, you said it all.
71:46Thanks for joining us for the top 10 teams.
71:49By the way, go watch his episode with Dwayne McFarlane after you're completed with this.
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72:41The crown is yours. Me and you for the rest of the way, Hayden.
72:45And let's talk about the Arizona Cardinals. All right.
72:47A big part of fantasy football is correctly projecting volume.
72:50And right now, Jeremiah loves, I think is tough to predict.
72:53He's been running back 1938, then running back six.
72:56And boy, do we get our hopes up. Then they're running back 42 and 47 over the last two weeks.
73:02That means he's the running back 26 in points per game.
73:05Just overall, we can get into the finite details, but just overall, where are you at with Jeremiah love in this Cardinals offense?
73:12So he played 76% of the snaps, handled 11 of 12 running back touches in the first half of the game.
73:18He was out there in the two-minute drill as well, which opens up a couple of receptions opportunities.
73:23And then he plays 24% of the snaps in the second half of the game.
73:27If you only look at the fourth quarter of the game, it's like 10%.
73:31So it really comes down to, okay, was he subbed out because of the scoreboard?
73:35Or is this a setback to his ankle injury?
73:38And that's why we have the film. I went back and watched all of his snaps in this one.
73:43And I thought he looked straight up healthy. You know, like he was jumping around.
73:48He had some pretty hilarious jump cuts in this one.
73:51I didn't see him like grabbing at his ankle or anything like that.
73:54I thought his film was actually good. So that kind of just comes to my point where I think that you can
74:01buy low on Jeremiah love coming off of that game.
74:04And I think that that game got so out of hand that they did not want to have Jeremiah love on the field.
74:10And that's going to be a risk. But as the season becomes more and more of a disaster, as we get further
74:16and further away from this ankle injury, I think it's just going to be totally fine.
74:21Like 76% of the snaps in the first half, 11 of 12 touches.
74:25Like that's awesome stuff. And I thought that he was going to look a lot worse on film than he did.
74:31So I think he's one of these players where you can't view him as a fantasy RB2.
74:36But if someone's dangling him as like the RB25 right now, somewhere in that range, like I think that's great value.
74:42Okay, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here because running back 25 is like horrible value versus where he was drafted.
74:48You know, it's early though. It is. But, you know, these games matter on top of it.
74:53And I think there have been some things that we can kind of link back this game to the comments that we
74:59talked about last week where he said this is going to be the longest year of my life.
75:04And to your point, I think that they are protecting him from making the ankle injury worse or having another ankle injury
75:11again versus other running backs that were drafted number three overall or number four or top 10 or whatever.
75:16Or guys that we thought or where we selected Jeremiah love and just the bell cow feature back work.
75:22Even if they are down by a lot of points at halftime, they would just simply be getting more work.
75:27And then I think we can even like detail this down to Jeremiah love is not involved in the receiving game right now.
75:34Like he had zero receptions this past week, one the week before he had five and that awesome performance against the 49ers
75:40where he was a top 10 running back for all of us.
75:44But then three and two, I was hoping for more angle routes.
75:47I was hoping for more just screens and that could come when they're down the scoreboard in the second half.
75:53And again, this is kind of linked to where we look at him this week.
75:57I mean, they're only projected the Cardinals for 19 and a half points on the road against the Rams who are projected for 33.
76:04So it's the same thing just going to happen like we just saw against the Lions that he's just totally phased out in the second half again.
76:12It's definitely possible. Like that's the risk. I think that that's how everyone's kind of pricing this one in.
76:17And like that's where I think there's, you know, opportunity here.
76:21And for the last two weeks, yeah, the receptions haven't been out there.
76:24But that's because in the fourth quarter or the beginning of the fourth quarter in week four, he has that new injury
76:31and he did not play the second that he got injured.
76:34So that was an entire fourth quarter. And then in this game, he's coming off of that new ankle sprain.
76:40So I understand subbing him out because that game was like not even close.
76:44You know, it's like one thing to be down 10 points.
76:47It's one thing. It's a different thing to be down, you know, 21 points like they were.
76:52So I think that to me where this small sample size, like I don't think that the games are going to get a little bit closer.
76:59He's going to get a little bit further away from the injury.
77:02I think the talent's going to pop a little bit.
77:05I thought he looked a little bit healthier than I was expecting in this one.
77:10I will say Jeremiah Love in terms of just like reliably hitting the hole on time and, you know, not bouncing around a little bit.
77:17Like I think that's where he needs to improve.
77:19Just like watching this tape. He's a little bit jumpy right now.
77:23He's got to trust it a little bit more.
77:25I think the offensive line is not going to be very good, especially without their left tackle as well.
77:31But he needs to kind of stop dancing a little bit and get upfield.
77:35And I think that is on the floor to unlock him as a receiver.
77:39And I think they will end up doing that.
77:42There's nothing about the last couple of games that suggest that this is going to change, except that he's very talented.
77:48And I think eventually it'll start showing up. I totally agree with you that he is very talented.
77:53I am nervous that they have the long view in place for Jeremiah Love.
77:57And that's why he doesn't play here in the second half.
78:00And that if that is somewhat of a trend and not just the entire second half, what if it's just fourth quarters when they're down?
78:07Like we can even minimize it to that. And I think that's a real potential when we look at their schedule coming up.
78:14It's the Rams, then the Broncos, then the Cowboys, then the Seahawks, then the Rams again, and then the Chiefs.
78:19So this is just one of those, I think, teams that when I always talk about take good players and good teams.
78:26Is this a good player on a potentially bad team?
78:29Right. Who also now don't have their left tackle and are missing some interior offensive linemen.
78:33And if that's the case, then it's not really a conducive fantasy environment unless he is starting to rack up these receptions.
78:40But like we keep saying, he has 36 receiving yards in the entire year.
78:44Yeah, I think the hard part is like, here's some of the running backs in my early rankings.
78:49It's Cam Skadaboo, Bill Krosky, Merrick, Quinshawn, Tony Pollard, Marshawn Lloyd, Jeremiah Love, Amarion Hampton, like Damian Pierce, J.K.
78:54Dobbins, Blake Corham. Like that's that's who he's, you know, being ranked around.
78:58Like, would you not rather have Jeremiah Love by a substantial margin versus everyone else in that range?
79:03Like that to me is like where I think it's this was like the worst it's going to get unless he has a new injury.
79:10And I think like this is a perfect buying period, especially if I'm sure a lot of the Jeremiah Love teams are
79:17sitting at two and three or whatever. I would be scooping him up right now if I could.
79:22Got it. Yeah. Look, we can have high scoring games where both teams score.
79:26I'm just so nervous that the Cardinals defense is in the state that it's in, that if they don't score in every
79:32drive, they're going to get blown out by 10, 14, 21, whatever points.
79:36So like that was the case here against the Lions, right?
79:39He was ranked somewhat highly because we thought that this was an environment that everyone could score points.
79:44And that didn't happen until like truly the garbage time stuff towards the end of the game.
79:49The Cowboys in three weeks in November 1st, is there potential for that?
79:53But are the Cardinals going to be able to like the Cardinals are the worst type of defense where you just get
79:59overrun over and over and over again, that it gets to a point where you're down so big on the scoreboard.
80:05That one, we also might see a new quarterback here and we don't know how that's going to look.
80:11That's scary. And then, yeah. And then two, you take out the players that you are, have a long view on and
80:17that you don't want to get injured. A la Jeremiah Love fourth quarters and heck even deep into the third quarter as well.
80:24So those are just my concerns. It's going to get better.
80:27He's not going to rank as the running back 43 and 46 and back to back weeks again, or else we have like real issues.
80:34Yeah, totally agree on that. Okay. Um, also I talked about this in the waiver show with Joel.
80:39Thank you all for tuning in and watching that.
80:42Uh, if you were wondering who was going to step in and fill in the outside two wide receiver snap stuff for Marvin Harrison Jr.
80:49Uh, his name is not Kendrick Bourne. Hayden, I think I did my labeling and, you know, things correct and click the right buttons.
80:56I don't think Kendrick Bourne has played a single 12 personnel drop back this entire season.
81:00Uh, so the guys running wind sprints on the outside are Reggie Virgil and Jalen Brooks.
81:05So I still think Kendrick Bourne is going to finish, you know, third and receiving on this team, but it's not like
81:11he's going to vault up to 80, 85% stuff.
81:14And at least he didn't in this first matchup, despite having a history with Michael Ford.
81:18Yeah. There's going to be garbage time for, for Kendrick Bourne.
81:22Uh, and I will say their new third starting wide receiver.
81:25It might be the worst starting wide receiver in the NFL right now.
81:28Like the film was that bad. Yeah. Yep. I agree.
81:31Okay. Let's talk about the Carolina Panthers. They are coming out of the buy.
81:35This is the question I ask you every single time.
81:38What do you want to see from the Panthers moving forward?
81:41Jalen Coker on the field and more Bryce Young playing like how he was playing before.
81:46I like this, you know, more of a pass first approach, a little bit more downfield approach, uh, kind of spread them
81:52out, throw the ball to the perimeter on a first read and throw the ball over the middle on a second read.
81:59And, you know, T Mac and Coker are awesome.
82:01So like, this is one of my favorite offenses in fantasy because there's only three guys that are involved and they are must starts every single week.
82:09Uh, I will say it's kind of shocking to see the Panthers.
82:12Their team total is only at 19 and a half points coming out of the buy week.
82:17They're in Philadelphia. Philly's offense is really slow pace and, you know, they got a good defense.
82:22So I understand it to some degree. Um, but if Bryce Young was as good as he was showing early on, like
82:28they should be able to score more than 19 points the rest of the way.
82:33Yeah. Philly's only at 21. So I think the markets project that one, like you said, to be like a really slow paced offense slop.
82:40Um, it sounds like Monroe feeling is not going to play and he's been the right tackle so far this year, but Tether Moten is coming out.
82:48He's coming back from blood clots. Uh, that's important because Bryce Young is the most pressured quarterback in the NFL at this point.
82:54Uh, so he's started off red hot. I think he might be even better if he's not the most pressured quarterback in the NFL.
83:01That would be cool if that happened the rest of the way.
83:05And like you said, Jalen Coker did return to practice this week.
83:08Someone posted every offense, just the total fancy points that they accumulate even with, you know, second, third wide receivers, tight ends all packaged together.
83:15And the Panthers are number two in the NFL only behind the Detroit lines ahead of the bills, Ravens, Cowboys, Rams, Bears, Chiefs, Bengals.
83:22Again, that was not on our bingo card to see the Carolina Panthers like that through the opening four weeks of the season.
83:29That's for sure. I'm going to lead with like all your favorite fantasy analysts.
83:33And in that league, I stacked up the Panthers, uh, in that league is super flex.
83:37I might have the fantasy points record in that league so far.
83:41I have like 200 more points than anybody else.
83:43So hopefully our Panthers could finish off strong. Love that.
83:46Okay. Let's talk about the Chicago Bears next. Um, I mean, we could do the same song and dance every single week
83:53of trying to figure out the difference between Luther Burden and Roma Dunze.
83:56I'll say one positive. It feels like the Khalif Raymond stuff is somewhat gone here over the last two weeks.
84:02Now, the negative in that same graphic that I talked about of accumulating every single position and adding it up to the end.
84:09The Bears have the eighth lowest tight end output in the NFL, um, at just 9.3 points per game.
84:14And that is full PPR. So that doesn't give me a lot of hope that, you know, Colson Loveland is just going
84:20to rebound here for us in a big way.
84:23The rest of the season, it can happen, but it really hasn't shown itself as a possibility so far.
84:29Yeah. He's a tight end 16 in usage. You don't win any, you know, prizes over being the tight end 16 in usage this season.
84:36And he's finished below his expected points in all five of those games.
84:39He's been, you know, tackled at the one inch line.
84:42He's, you know, not coming down with some contested catches.
84:45He's just not as involved as I thought he was going to be.
84:49I don't want to throw out the entire season, but the reality is this team has played one game with Caleb Williams
84:55where it wasn't pouring rain, where he's a hamstring detached from his femur.
84:59Uh, so, you know, I'm not saying that, you know, those last games don't count.
85:03They absolutely do count. I think the only thing I feel good about now is Roma Doomsday is a full-time player.
85:09He has issues. I think Colson Loveland's a near full-time player, but maybe not getting as many first read targets as I thought.
85:16And then Luther Burden is in a mostly playing of like, he's put a 75% of the, of the routes out there
85:22and that's enough, but he hasn't done quite enough individually to me, like to like fully expect this crazy breakout.
85:28Uh, I think all the three of these guys could have some moments here.
85:32I don't trust any of them in fantasy. Um, but the bears project for 26 and a quarter points.
85:37And like, to me, that's the difference is like the last couple of weeks, like we weren't expecting them to score 26 and a quarter points.
85:45That's on the road as well. And Caleb Williams first game back.
85:48So I'm not completely throwing out, but I wouldn't be surprised if this next off season, the fantasy content we talk, start
85:55talking about from week six on the bears X, Y, and Z starts happening.
85:59And you know, that would not be surprising at all.
86:02I totally hear you on that. Um, the real breakout though, of the bears has been their rushing attack.
86:07I mean, this is just carrying over exactly what they did last season.
86:11And we know prior to last week, it was really common on guy with 30 plus carries.
86:16Unfortunately in that game, when getting 30 plus carries cabin on guy has the turf toe, which is a big deal.
86:22Turf toe absolutely sucks. Um, it was notable to me that in this game and albeit they were losing quite a bit
86:28that it really wasn't a 50, 50 split that the swift and man guy typically have.
86:33It was all swift until the fourth quarter. That's when Roshan Johnson got all five of his targets.
86:38So, uh, in a game environment that man guy almost certainly is not going to play and should be a positive one.
86:44Um, Deandre Swift could finish as a top five running back this week easily.
86:48Yeah. It'll be very aggressively ranked on tomorrow's running back ranking show, especially if man guys out.
86:53Love that. Okay. Let's talk about the Cincinnati Bengals.
86:56Um, you know, talked about Zach Taylor a lot in the past.
86:59One of my favorite play calls of the week.
87:02Zach Taylor had, it was near the goal line.
87:04First and goal at the two. They were only up by seven at this point.
87:08Very cool stuff in terms of utilizing personnel to your advantage.
87:12Uh, they went six offensive linemen and three tight ends.
87:15Okay. So that means it was just chase Brown and Joe Burr in the backfield and just a bunch of big dudes.
87:21The dolphins match defensively with just one safety out there.
87:24So then the Bengals go empty and then they find the tight end who was versus the linebacker instead of the tight end.
87:30That's versus the safety. And they just throw it to him for a touchdown.
87:34That is Tanner Hudson. Unfortunately, Tanner Hudson is now an injury reserve is going to miss the season.
87:39And I'm sure Hayden, if the defense came out in small personnel, they just would have run the ball with chase Brown.
87:46And maybe that actually would have equaled fancy points for chase Brown.
87:49We haven't gotten many of those this season. Yeah.
87:52Chase Brown had the fumble and smudge is playing like, you know, totally fine.
87:56Backup running back. And, you know, he just has not broken enough tackles and not create enough explosives.
88:01Like my big picture takeaway from watching that game is just, it's the same Bengals offense.
88:06It's, you know, shotgun, spread them out on occasion, run the ball under center.
88:10But for the most part, shotgun runs and just live with the consequences of that pretty static offense.
88:15And, you know, I got T Higgins and Jamar Chase look totally fine coming off of their injuries.
88:20And they have the bye weeks to kind of figure out things.
88:23But to me, there's like not much to figure out.
88:26It's like the same playbook that they've been running for the last five years.
88:30So I think the small JP run stuff could like come and go like this.
88:35But I think for the most part, Chase Brown's going to end up being like an upside RB to like, let's say
88:41he's like around like the RB 10 and rest of season rankings.
88:44He's not going to pay off where you drafted him.
88:47He's not going to be a total bust. Their schedule, like, you know, they face some pretty difficult opponents.
88:53And that's, I think, really hurt Chase Brown. And there will be games where they score 36 points and Chase Brown scores
88:59two touchdowns to kind of make up for it eventually.
89:02I mean, so you're basically saying that the last three weeks that we've called Chase Brown a bye low, we're going to
89:08continue to do it until he's not a bye low anymore.
89:11Basically, every bye low, you drop him two spots in the positional rankings as the bye low.
89:16And you just keep saying it. But yeah, he's he like I said, the recap show.
89:21He's not as good as the other running backs that he was drafted around.
89:25And I think that's it was all environmental and that he was getting 80 percent of the work, you know.
89:31And if that drops from 80 percent to 60 percent, that that's a pretty big deal.
89:35By the way, if you're watching us on live on the Yahoo Sports Network, we're signing off there right now.
89:41But you can hop on over to the Yahoo Fantasy page with Josh and Hayden on YouTube to watch the rest of the show.
89:48Just on that note with the Bengals. Yeah, I mean.
89:51We're going to learn just how much the Bengals staff likes Chase Brown early on when they next hit the field after this bye week.
89:58Right. Are they going to forget about the mistakes?
90:01Are they going to forget about the fumbles? Are they going to do all that and just go right back to Chase
90:07Brown and him getting 80, 85 percent of the workload?
90:10Because truly in the Bengals scoring and points environment and then that amount of work in terms of the percent of backdoor
90:16touches, that was the entire theory of drafting Chase Brown in round two.
90:20And if that drops down 20 percent, then that's catastrophic for us.
90:23Yep. Yeah. Okay. Dallas Cowboys. I have a defensive note to start.
90:27So since the start of 2025, we know Josh Allen has been the quarterback one.
90:31Whichever quarterback faces the Cowboys has been the second best scoring fantasy quarterback since the start of last season.
90:36So keep that in mind when you're streaming quarterbacks every week now.
90:40Yeah, that secondary hasn't been fixed with Caleb Downs.
90:42Their cornerback room has been really bad. Maybe Joey Porter helps solve that a little bit.
90:47But, you know, very inexperienced, including with the play caller defensively.
90:50And that's totally fine if you have any of these Cowboys players on offense for fantasy, because this team is going to
90:57be like the go to shootout team for the rest of the year.
91:00Um, that's going to include this Packers game upcoming this week.
91:03Um, I think that CD lamb is going to be fine.
91:07Uh, I heard you talk about floor annoy on the waiver wire show.
91:10Go, go check that out. I'm assuming that he's going to be out there.
91:14And then we're just going to start evening out the CD lamb to George pick and split that we had earlier this season.
91:21And it's probably going to end up right where we drafted these guys were CD lambs, the wide receiver for George pickens
91:27is the wide receiver 10 and Dak Prescott is in the MVP race with, you know, like 5,000 passing yards because the defense can't stop anybody.
91:35So like I haven't really learned anything from the Cowboys except people really panic on George pickens.
91:40And the second people start panicking about George pickens buy him as quickly as you can.
91:44Our entire week to stats versus film of last season was people freaking out.
91:48Why didn't George pick and score a lot in the opener?
91:51You guys talked about him so much. Well, it's because he was facing the Philadelphia Eagles.
91:56Uh, and then he just goes on to have a monster season.
91:59So yeah, he is the buy low that turned into a correct buy and you probably got him at a ridiculous rate.
92:06Um, on top of that. But here's our death league update of the week.
92:10I know you guys love these. I still have money to spend and both CD lamb and Ted erotic millen are out there to be purchased.
92:17They're all yours. So I better end up with one.
92:20I better end up with one. That's for sure.
92:23Okay. Let's talk about the Detroit lions. It's a very straightforward offense.
92:26This is the game that Jameson Williams actually scored points in.
92:29We talked about it. There was a three levels concept.
92:32He was the deep, deep, deep shot. And it definitely hit.
92:35Now that is the Arizona Cardinals that we're talking about on the opposite side.
92:39But I love the same Laporta stuff on top of it, Hayden, that they were nails when it came to third and fourth down conversions.
92:47And especially Sam Laporta in third and fourth down conversions.
92:49And that was a theory of the pick for me that drew Petsing on certain gotta have it situations as primary reads.
92:56He typically goes to tight ends quite often. Yeah.
92:58Yeah. Laporta is going to be lights out. He's a tight end for untied in for usage.
93:03That's a 20% target share with everybody healthy. Like what happens if there's another injury to any of the lions, other skill players.
93:10And like, that's how you can like truly be one of the best picks out there.
93:14I remember in the expert league, like they were like a big cliff.
93:18And then you took Laporta like way earlier than other people expected.
93:22And I love the pick. And like, that was the absolute best move that you could have made this, this lion secondary
93:28is just like not going to get it done this year.
93:31And this offense is absolutely cooking with gas. And, you know, if anything ever happens to a Monra or Jamison or Jameer
93:37Gibbs, the other three are going to go absolutely crazy.
93:40So congrats to those that, you know, started Jamo.
93:43We were due for a big game and we got it.
93:46And all these guys are just going to be, I think, end up being good picks.
93:51Yeah, I believe they're in a bye week. Correct me if I'm wrong.
93:54So just another change after making the expert league.
93:57That team freaking sucks. And Hayden, you just complimented him because you don't have to face Sam Laporta this week because we are going up against each other.
94:05So it's a no contest. Let's be honest. That's why you talk nice about one of my picks.
94:10I mean, it truly is. My team is injured or on byes for the rest of eternity.
94:15I have nothing else to say about the lions.
94:18Do you? I mean, this is just a really good offense and we know the players that are on them.
94:23Yeah, I think Gibbs is like, you know, the RB five all time through five weeks.
94:28You know, like by far the best pick you could have made.
94:31Like we talked about it. Which which spot should you draft this year?
94:35If it's up to you, you take that first overall pick.
94:38And if he's healthy this season, you're probably going to win.
94:41Well, we also talked a lot about Green Bay Packers wide receivers.
94:45And boy, they've been amazing. Christian Watson is the wide receiver three on the season.
94:49Matthew Golden, the wide receiver 14 on the season.
94:52I mean, it's glorious. We went through years of a rotation of four, five names.
94:56And like Hayden, these are the two best value picks on the board at wide receiver.
95:01And it's not even close from July and August and September.
95:04Yeah, you needed the running backs in the first couple rounds unless you had JSN and I guess Puka moving forward.
95:10And then you needed to clean up on Parker Washington, the Packers wide receivers.
95:14And that was it. And I hope that you guys did that because that's what we kind of talked about for a lot of the offseason.
95:21All we talked about. I mean, I really hope like I really hope you took at least Matthew Golden.
95:27We did not shut up about him, but we also talked about Christian Watson.
95:31Look, they just they don't use the third wide receiver anymore.
95:34The ground game is what it is. Like shout out to Marshawn Lloyd for, you know, truck sticking Jalen Johnson and then goes untouched.
95:41And I didn't see that Marshawn Lloyd like played that well aside from the truck stick.
95:45Like the Packers offensive line was actually clearing space against the Bears, which was like super refreshing.
95:50That was the first time that had happened the entire season.
95:53I just think Matthew Golden is like actually really good at football.
95:57Like this is not some scam and he's a running hot and stuff.
96:01He is stacking corners immediately and he has got awesome speed and his catch radius for his size is remarkable.
96:06He can jump. He caught that ball and pulled it away from the defender instantly on these big deep passes as well.
96:13So like Matthew Golden is not just like a good fancy pick.
96:16Like he's going to be one of the better wide receivers in the NFL for years to come.
96:21And he's going to be an awesome dynasty asset for anyone that was still holding on after that pretty mediocre rookie season.
96:28And even myself, who was skeptical that he could emerge into that player, was talking about him relentlessly this summer because it
96:34just made total sense as an easy pick in that spot because they were banking on him becoming that type of a player.
96:41And you're able to draft him where if he did miss, it did nothing to your fancy team.
96:46Like, yeah, he was the easiest pick on the board.
96:49Truly at his value, whatever platform that you use and especially on Yahoo, he was the easiest pick on the board this summer.
96:55Sure. I also think that this game, I understand he didn't do that much, but in terms of creating yards on his
97:02own and looking explosive and looking like a dynamic runner.
97:04But this did a lot to me for Marshawn Lloyd keeping and holding on to and maybe even running away with the
97:11backfield in this current state of it. And especially with Chris Brooks going on injured reserve for the next four games.
97:17Yeah. Caleb came in for like cleanup duties. He had a big run, but he had fumbled the week prior.
97:23So they went to Marshawn Lloyd. He finished with the two rushing touchdowns.
97:26We did have a big Josh Jacobs update. So all these reporters keep hitting up the police department because the judge had
97:33said that the police department is going to decide if the video is going to get released or not.
97:38And there was just an update from the police department just before going live here that they're not going to release that
97:44for the time being because there's appeals going from, I think, the victim side and Josh Jacobs.
97:49Neither of them want the video out there. And why this is relevant is one, I'm pretty sure the NFL wants to
97:56either see the video or it's going to get released.
97:58They want to have at least some idea of what's on there.
98:02But we're now at the point where five games have been passed.
98:05Typically with domestic violence cases in the NFL, it's a six game suspension.
98:09There's some precedent where Dell has held them on the exempt list until about the six ish game and then says, OK, your time serves.
98:16Give us back the money that you were supposed to make.
98:19And now it's like that's your suspension. We're at that point.
98:23But I'm pretty sure that Dell and his team are probably really pushing Jacobs to show them what that video is.
98:29And they could theoretically threaten him to say, you're not coming off until we see this video.
98:33But in the other environment, there's a chance that, you know, the six games come and go.
98:38And Dell has a kind of no choice saying like, hey, you're going to miss six games because of domestic violence.
98:44Anyways, time served is coming. So long story short, lots of uncertainty here.
98:48It sounds like the police department's eventually going to release the video on there.
98:52We'll see what that includes. There's kind of, you know, a big time gray area there.
98:57And obviously from the teams in the NFL, the PR, we're talking about such a gray area here.
99:02But in theory, like we're getting close to where something material is going to happen in the Josh Jacobs case.
99:08Like you said, gray area kind of pointless to predict these things.
99:11I highly doubt the NFL is going to take any action until they see this video because it's going to get leaked
99:17at some point on top of it. So, OK, let's talk about the Indianapolis Colts coming up next.
99:23This is a seven foot ceiling offense. Unfortunately, that has limited, you know, the Josh Downs and Tyler Warren stuff up to this point.
99:29But, hey, I thought that this was going into a game, a scripted stance from Shane Steichen to say, hey, we have
99:36to upgrade Tyler Warren with a bit more downfield stuff.
99:39They got him on leak patterns. They got him on over routes.
99:42They got him just on more generic stuff versus just the six, seven, four yards.
99:46I mean, he had the lowest a dot of any non running back in the league entering this week.
99:52And to me, that's a really positive point in his direction because Steichen knows what his offense is at this stage.
99:58And I think that means that Tyler Warren will continue to be the most productive part of their passing game.
100:04I think it was the most substantial Tyler Warren game of his career in terms of what it means for his fantasy status.
100:10Moving forward, he was already, you know, top 10 fantasy tight end.
100:14But like you said, it was way different usage watching the games.
100:17You can see it on the chart right there.
100:20His a dot with Alec Pierce is four and a half yards downfield without Alec Pierce.
100:24It's at six and a half. Like that's a little bit of a difference, but it's like the type of route that
100:31they're still going to manufacture some touches. But they're like forcing him to kind of win on some of these crossing routes, big outbreaking routes.
100:38And I think he's like good enough at them.
100:40Like I don't think he's the best in the world, but he's more than capable of doing that.
100:46And then as a little bonus, fullback dive right up the middle wasn't a tush push, but I know that they wrecked that on occasion as well.
100:53But not every tight end in the NFL is getting fullback dives for touchdowns as a little cherry on top.
100:59So I think he's a top 10, top five tight end for the next couple of weeks.
101:04And if Alec Pierce doesn't return, like I think that this usage is a it's a pretty big deal for him.
101:10I'm surprised we just didn't see him do the tush push.
101:13I mean, he did that in college at the quarterback spot, too, and got like six, seven rushing touchdowns out of it.
101:19But no, they wanted to hand it off instead.
101:22And he kind of got there on the second phase of the play.
101:26Anything you want to say about Josh Downs? I think I saw you post that this is a Josh Downs week.
101:32Does that mean it's seven catches for 63 yards?
101:34Yeah, I mean, but seven catches for 63 yards, like that's better than a lot of wide receiver threes at this point.
101:41Yeah, this is my new data viz. Get ready to see a lot of it moving forward on this show.
101:46We have the wide receiver rankings video to talk about it.
101:50But just for this matchup against the Tennessee Titans, a lot of like underneath production, quick hitting stuff in theory for Josh Downs.
101:56The reality is he's playing more snaps. That's a win.
101:59His eight odd is up a little bit. That's a win.
102:02Is he the best player in the world in this role?
102:05He's not. I think he's a fine player. But like you said, like the lid on this offense is going to prevent him from going crazy.
102:13The Colts do project for 26 points, though. So like, you know, there's reasons why I'm tweeting.
102:18You know, there's a there's a Josh Downs week incoming.
102:21Just like mentally prepare yourselves for what that means.
102:23That means I'm going to be ranking as like my wide receiver 24.
102:27So get excited. OK, next are the Kansas City Chiefs.
102:30They are coming out of the by. We still don't have an answer on who was replacing Taequann Thornton, who was their
102:36most desirable wide receiver prior to his ankle injury.
102:39It should not be Xavier worthy. Who do you want to see?
102:42What do you want to see from the Chiefs here?
102:45I mean, they signed Justin Watson. That's that's our answer for now.
102:48I really do think they're going to be, you know, this could absolutely be a Jerry Judy team.
102:54I think the Brian Thomas stuff would stylistically make sense.
102:57Like there's enough, you know, Calvin Ridley's out there for them to upgrade this spot.
103:01So, yeah, I don't think we're gonna get that anytime soon.
103:04And like, let's say they trade for Jerry Judy in a couple of weeks from now.
103:09Like if there's still a ramp up period that exists.
103:11So for for now, I'm waiting on Rashi Rice news.
103:14If he's going to play in this one and like Xavier worthy and Travis Kelsey are going to project extremely well.
103:20Given the circumstances, like the home stuff has looked really good.
103:24He's coming off the bye week. You know, Xavier worthy catches a couple passes in the manufacturer department.
103:29And gets a couple chances out there. They're not saying he's a good good player.
103:33But, you know, if Rashi Rice isn't at full speed, then like it's it's it's it's gonna be Xavier worthy Jalen Royals.
103:39You know, frickin Cyrus Allen this next week. Like that's that might be what it is.
103:44I can't wait to see where you rank wide receiver 61 in points per game.
103:48Xavier worthy this week. Tune into Friday's episode only only for that.
103:52Okay. We'll move on. Because the Las Vegas Raiders are next and they have one of the best wide receivers in the league.
103:58And his name is Brock Bowers. Oh, yeah. Brock Bowers is averaging 19.7 points per game at this point.
104:04That's better than the wide receiver three on the season.
104:07That's also 5.7 more than the tight end two on the season.
104:10Hayden, you know this. We recorded 100 shows this summer.
104:13But in one of them, I joked tongue in cheek a little bit that you can draft Amon Ross St.
104:19Brown in round one and then you can draft Amon Ross St.
104:22Brown in round two. Wasn't a joke. It's coming to fruition because not only does Brock Bowers give you again 5.7 points
104:28ahead of the second best tight end in fantasy.
104:31I'll be at him as the first two games.
104:34He's giving you legit top three wide receiver production.
104:36That is incredible stuff. Yeah, his eight outs nine and a half yards down the field to average up the target.
104:42He's averaging 108 air yards per game. The next closest is 70 yards for Isaiah likely and then only Dalton Kade's higher and the a dot.
104:50So like where he's being utilized is closer to JSN than like any other tight end.
104:54Really? It's it's remarkable what he's doing. He was dunking on everybody.
104:58I'm sure you went back and watch those highlights like.
105:01Oh, yeah, the corners that they put on him were way too small and like that's just kind of the the predicament that teams are getting them in.
105:09Same thing two weeks ago against Kool-Aid McKinstry. He was just like Duncan all over him.
105:13You know, like he's this is what a Hall of Fame talent looks like.
105:17So him versus training bride and then a huge tear down to the Laporta likely Tyler Warren tier Kittle in that mix.
105:24But man, like we're looking at like two of the best all time receiving tight ends in fantasy right now.
105:29And I do think that Brock Bowers probably goes like 10th overall for redrafting to that.
105:34Yeah, I totally agree with you on on all of that.
105:37He is. I mean, he finds one corner out there that is a few inches shorter and you isolate him and Kirk
105:43is throwing the ball up to give him these opportunities.
105:46And he is coming down with it and he gets easy.
105:49He gets open too easily against, you know, the zone linebackers.
105:53And then he even like pulls away after the catch against these corners because they try to grab him and bring him
105:59to the ground and they physically can't do it.
106:01Like one on one against these corners when they're in trail technique.
106:05He drags them for an extra seven, eight, 12 yards on top of it and just choose up that ground.
106:11So he's even winning as the point man in the stack.
106:14Like we talk all the time about getting easy releases as the second stack person.
106:18He's at the forefront and he's creating separation for himself against these corners.
106:22It is insane what Brock Bowers is doing right now.
106:25So he's immediately the best player in the field.
106:27It's like not even close. Not even close. Okay, let's talk Ashen Genty then.
106:31So you can look at any chart you want data points that you want.
106:35There's some really bad stuff in terms of the underlying metrics for Ashen Genty.
106:39But Hayden, if you look at the opportunity and there's one chart that I'm looking at where he has inside the five
106:46yard line percent of touches and target percentage for his team.
106:49He's in the top right next to Chris McCaffrey, B.
106:52John Robinson and Jameer Gibbs as all the players that we want in fantasy football base on opportunity because that is the
106:58number one thing that we talked about with running backs.
107:01So why is it working for those guys and it's not working for Ashen Genty?
107:05How long do we have? Well, the first thing is that the Raiders are they're better, but they've had a pretty softish schedule.
107:12And then I think last week really struggled aside from the Patriots or against the Patriots aside from Brock Bowers there on other charts.
107:19He's nowhere near the trend line because he's the most like inefficient, like starting running back in the league right now.
107:25And I absolutely think that the interior offensive line is still very much a work in progress.
107:30And I would also mention Tyler Linderbaum has been an upgrade at center, but he is to me not worth the 30 million dollars.
107:37There's still like too many mistakes I've seen on tape.
107:39So I think part of that is the the the offensive line.
107:43I still just watch Ashen Genty and like he breaks some serious tackles like when he's on contact exactly like the way he did at Boise State.
107:51I think there's a couple reps on these power runs where he's not hiding behind his pulling guard and he's either bouncing
107:57it or when he is trying to jump across a hole.
108:00It just takes too long to get there. I think that some of the the zone stuff he's just not hit it
108:06hard enough and not has not made quick enough decisions.
108:09And I think even when he is making quick enough decisions, he just does not have the burst like everybody else.
108:15And this is what I've noticed from him. I'm not surprised that his yards before contact is once again bottom 10.
108:21That's an offensive line stat. But if you do look at like the other bottom 10 running backs in that metric, they're
108:28like the 10 slowest running backs in the NFL.
108:30And like that to me is the worry with Ashen Genty.
108:33And he just dropped a lot of passes and he's a better receiver than what he's done there.
108:39He's going to hit more explosive than he has to date.
108:42But I do think just like his lack of burst in like I think his kind of indecisiveness right now, I do
108:48think is making him a worse pick at the absolute margins.
108:51I think he needs a bit more runway than I originally thought.
108:55And maybe some of that is the injury he's coming back from.
108:58But to really get up to speed to reel off big plays, he kind of does need to be given those first few steps.
109:05Now he had this reception that went for what, 20 plus yards on the outside that I thought he looked fast, looked
109:11explosive, looked agile, was like kind of weaving and bobbing and creating some space on top of it.
109:16And we're just not seeing that enough. And I don't think it's all on him, but some of it is on him, you know?
109:23Yeah. And if we take out week one, which some of you might want to and some might not.
109:29Again, he's a running back 20 outside of that.
109:31So there are certainly lesser running backs that are ahead of him.
109:35I also want to talk about the other part of this running back room, Hayden, because I thought the Dylan Lowby usage was interesting here.
109:42I mean, he got legit snaps in the middle of the first quarter when the team was down seven, nothing over Mike Washington.
109:49When we had seen and heard that Mike Washington was going to get more and more work.
109:54Do you have any read on this at all?
109:56Yeah, I don't do any trust Astrid Gentian pass protection.
109:59And I know they don't trust Mike Washington pass protection.
110:02And Dylan Lowby is that's what he's there to do.
110:05So I think it's been a couple of weeks in a row where they're like trying to do like a little bit of a hot hand approach.
110:12But this game got carried away early because the Patriots scored points quickly.
110:16And when they weren't going to be running the ball downhill and it was going to be more of a pass first
110:23game, then it's going to be a lot more Dylan Lowby out there.
110:26And then unfortunately, Ashton Gentry gets him down to the goal line.
110:30Then Dylan Lowby scores the touchdown. So, you know, that was like a bottoming out for the Ashton Gentry stuff.
110:35He was still the RB 17 and expected points because he's going to catch some passes in those environments.
110:41But I do think his snaps aren't as high because I think, you know, Kubiak cares about the pass protection stuff maybe a little bit more.
110:48And you can see them like they'll get him out in the route like really quickly rather than kind of holding him into protection.
110:55And I think that in some negative game scripts like this, he'll catch some passes, but there will be like a loss of snaps.
111:02But that is not going to go to Mike Washington and like these really negative game scripts because they don't trust him in that environment either.
111:10Like Mike Washington is like a close game, gets the hot hand and carries it.
111:14And then any other game script, he's just not going to be on the field at all.
111:19And this is one of those games like the Raiders are projected for a lot of points against the Buffalo Bills with
111:25over 24, but they're also five and a half point home underdogs here.
111:29So we need Ashton just need to catch passes this week.
111:32What it comes down to and be effective early as as a ball carrier.
111:36Let's talk about the Miami Dolphins. Ollie Gordon, back to back weeks.
111:40I asked the question last week of, hey, should we have kind of looked in the mirror and said any running back
111:46that was going to be the lead ball carrier, the feature back, no matter if it's the worst offense in the league or bottom four.
111:53We should just prioritize that more than kind of looking and turning over every single page and every single detail and maybe overthinking this a little bit.
112:01Yeah, every single year you're going to talk about hundreds of players and you're going to get things absolutely wrong and then
112:07you're going to double down on them and then you'll get them wrong again.
112:11And that's exactly what I did with Ollie Gordon here.
112:14Like, you know, you think back on the season, you're like, I wish I took back a couple of things.
112:20And like Ollie Gordon absolutely is one of them.
112:22He was the RB5 and expected points this last outing 18 carries.
112:26So, yeah, he's like clearly the guy over Jalen Wright.
112:29And he's earned it. He's run with a lot of power.
112:32He's a much bigger guy than Jalen Wright. And, you know, it's starting to work a little bit here.
112:37I was not trying to get that statement out.
112:40No, I needed to get that off my chest because, you know, I've seen the comments and guess what?
112:45The comments this time were absolutely right. Yeah. You did get a reprieve from Ollie Gordon there on a bye this week.
112:52So, yeah. Well, yeah. My other thing is what's funny is I really liked Ollie Gordon last preseason.
112:57If you remember, like coming into his rookie season, he was having some preseason moments and all that type of stuff.
113:03And then obviously he did nothing. He got injured during his rookie year and all that stuff.
113:08But yeah, I mean, he's he's showing some goods.
113:10He had obviously the long runs against the Minnesota Vikings.
113:13And then he's just their every down player basically on top of it.
113:17And I did look at Malik Washington stuff that I think he's the wide receiver 32 ish in half EPR and then
113:23around the wide receiver 26 in full EPR. You can do a lot worse than the wide receiver 26 in full PPR.
113:30And that's even better over the last three weeks than it was the first two weeks since Devon HN has gone down.
113:36Totally agree. I will say the one thing that's been driving us with Miami is, you know, people pretending that Devon HN
113:42was gonna be some terrible fantasy pick this year.
113:45And like, you know, maybe he wasn't going to be like the best 14th overall pick.
113:49But Ollie Gordon has finished as the RB 13, 12 and 13 in the last three games without Devon HN.
113:55You really telling me that Devon HN was gonna make catch more passes and rip off more explosives than Ollie Gordon.
114:01Like I think the premature like Devon HN was a terrible pick.
114:05I think that's a little rich for me. Well, if I get to do that for Deshaun's dribbling, then you certainly get to do that for Devon HN.
114:13That's for sure. Minnesota Vikings. I have a lot to say.
114:16In terms of actually playing quarterback, I thought Kyler Murray was extremely poor in this game.
114:20I know they won. I know the Vikings are what five and oh at this point.
114:25But Kyler Murray reverted back to exactly who he was with the Arizona Cardinals in like the worst ways possible.
114:31Now, his movement was a huge asset here. He ran for over 50 yards when he didn't like what he saw, when he didn't feel comfortable, he extended.
114:39Unfortunately, Hayden, I think that he used that as a crutch way too often.
114:43And then there were just massive turndowns when they were wide open wide receivers or throws the NFL quarterback should make.
114:49Like 32 seconds left in the half when they're working to get in field goal range.
114:53He does the hokey pokey in the pocket instead of firing the pass to Justin Jefferson for a first down.
114:59There was another play that he actually seems to do the correct thing in terms of holding the flat defender to the running back on the outside.
115:07And then instead of, again, throwing to Justin Jefferson, argue the best wide receiver in the league on a perfect corner route.
115:13He works off of that because there's a little bit of pressure in his face that is running back correctly picked up.
115:20And he aborts it, aborts it and checks it out.
115:22There were two big time crossing routes, both wide open and one to Juwan Jennings to the left corner.
115:28And then one to, I think, Ty Felton, who was working underneath and still would have been for a first down.
115:34And he falls away from the throw again because he flinches at the pass rush and it goes incomplete.
115:39So these are passes that much lesser quarterbacks have made in a Kevin O'Connell offense.
115:44And as like the first real test of Kyler and Justin Jefferson playing together for four quarters, Hayden, I really didn't like
115:50what I saw from my throwing standpoint here from Kyler.
115:53Yeah, I think the way you put it, that he wasn't playing quarterback well, I agreed with.
115:58But Kyler Murray did do a lot of, you know, like the really nice throws to the perimeter and downfield and scrambled
116:04around enough where I can still hold out hope.
116:07Like this is a great time for the Vikings to have a bye.
116:10They're dealing with a lot of injuries, including not having their left tackle and left guard.
116:15They're going to get their left tackle back after the bye week.
116:18Same thing with Jordan Addison coming back. But Kyler Murray like needs to like sit there, like really, you know, rewatch the games.
116:25And I'm sure Kevin O'Connell is like, this is the throw.
116:28You have to just trust it and let it go.
116:31And yeah, there was a little bit too much dancing for me.
116:34So I agree with you. I think I'm just taking more of an optimistic angle that throughout the season, like it'll get a little bit better.
116:42But there was definitely some like, you know, pretty poor moments for him.
116:46But he can still throw the ball really well and he can still run really, really fast.
116:51And I do think Kevin O'Connell is still a good coach.
116:54So I think this will like sort itself out a little bit better.
116:57But here's my question. Kyler spent all offseason healthy as a part of this group and practiced and learned the offense and did all that.
117:05What is more likely to happen that he figures it out as the season goes along or that this is the exact
117:11same stuff that got him benched in Arizona? And he's still not pulling the trigger here with Minnesota.
117:16Is he just going to figure that out in the bye week?
117:20And it's going to be fine as the season goes along.
117:23To me, it's more likely that this is kind of just who he is as a quarterback now.
117:28Yeah, I think it'll probably be somewhere in the middle.
117:31Like, you know, he's got limitations and he's not done things.
117:34And then he's been pretty good at other things.
117:37I think they're going to have to live with the results.
117:40This is going to be one of those teams that they're going to throw the ball really far down the field.
117:46And how many of those get completed or not is going to depend, you know, a kind of bunch of factors.
117:52And they're at least running the ball a little bit better this year than like, you know, with like the Sam Darnold
117:58year, the last year of like Kirk Cousins. Like those are like really one dimensional offenses where there's at least a couple
118:04more ways that they can figure things out in 2026.
118:07And I think that will probably kind of save things.
118:10I don't think he's like at risk of getting benched the season or anything like that.
118:15Like, I think that they're going to make this thing work enough.
118:18Is it going to be enough to like make a real run?
118:22We'll have to wait and see. But I think that this I think this offense is going to be totally fine.
118:28I mean, I guess that's my point. Like for a five and O team that has the number one defense in the NFL, your aspiration should be massive.
118:36The Vikings were kind of in this spot a couple of years ago with Sam Darnold.
118:40And, you know, he had a rough playoff game and some other rough moments.
118:44But I don't know if like Kyler is going to be able to step up in that time.
118:49Like, again, he went for 50 plus rushing yards.
118:52He looked super fast. He got to the edge at the same time.
118:56Like that is the New Orleans Saints defense right now.
118:59And they stink. They stink. So I'm a bit nervous of of what we're going to see.
119:04Like there are going to be moments where he has to make the throws that he was turning down.
119:09And it just in a large sample at this moment, Kyler is turning down those throws versus actually making them as an NFL player.
119:16Yeah, I do believe that the Vikings are the best team in this division.
119:20And I think they're going to win like the 13 games because that defense is so good and their offense is going to look a lot better.
119:28And you just never know. Like this is like the perfect era for a quarterback with limitations to go out there and get it done in the playoffs.
119:36Because this defense like really is like copy paste.
119:38So good. They're so well coached. They're so smart.
119:41They're getting defense alignment, making big plays on top of that.
119:44But and then you still got, you know, maybe the best wide receiver in the game where number 18.
119:49So the other part of it was. I thought uncharacteristically, KOC tried some.
119:53Extraordinary place in terms of like the double reverse pass the ball.
119:57He tried a throwback from the wide receiver screen.
119:59I don't typically associate that with KOC. So maybe he thought that with how Kyler's playing, he has to somewhat try to manufacture these explosives from somewhere.
120:07That's just a thought that I had. I threaded these all on on Twitter.
120:11If you guys I want to show my work when I'm this harsh on someone.
120:15So go and check that out if if everyone wants to.
120:18But your point in Aaron Jones stands. I thought Aaron Jones has been exceptional over these last three games.
120:24And that should continue when when Jordan Mason comes back, too, because you only get better in that running back room.
120:30I agree. Let's talk about the New England Patriots.
120:33Then we've discussed this Patriots backfield at length and how it really doesn't matter unless there's only one running back that stands.
120:39Hayden, only one running back stands. Ramondre Stevenson is in there.
120:42Driven Henderson, unfortunately, has a high ankle sprain. So for as long as Ramondre Stevenson is the only big boy in the
120:48backfield for the Patriots, is he going to rank in your top 15?
120:52So looking at it, week one, RB 14 expected points.
120:55Last two weeks, RB 22 and RB 16 with, you know, Travion Henderson in and out of the lineup there.
121:01Yeah. Corey Kiner fumbles the ball immediately. It's like this is going to be the Ramondre Steven show when games are close.
121:07And they started figuring out a couple things. Nate Tice on the 301 recap show was talking about some of the protection changes that they were making.
121:15Some different like formational changes that looked improved this last week versus earlier on.
121:19And then like players like, you know, Efton Chisholm, Kyle Williams, those guys like making a couple more plays.
121:24So they're back to top 10 projected points. And Ramondre, he's not going to be at 100% snaps, but it'll be 80 of them.
121:31And he's going to get all the high value touches.
121:34And that's good enough for me. Yeah. AJ Brown will come back at some point, but if you're looking for the dude
121:40who played in two wide receiver sets, that was Efton Chisholm.
121:43Most of the time played on 31 to 45 dropbacks.
121:46That was an interesting thing to go back and look at.
121:50That's for sure. When we did through the waivers, I mean, he played the most and ran the most routes in two
121:56wide receiver sets, even more than Romeo Dobbs this past week.
121:59By the way, Romeo did nothing in the box score, but he drew a couple very key defensive pass interference plays that probably would have gone for explosives.
122:07And then he also had two red zone or end zone opportunities, contested catch situations that he did not come down with.
122:13So like, you know, he did absolutely nothing in the box score.
122:17I thought just like his involvement in the game and his ability to have big moments like still remain there.
122:23Like not when AJ Brown comes back, but if we get another kind of rental week here from Romeo Dobbs, I think
122:29that you can still do a lot worse. New Orleans Saints are up next.
122:33The seat is sizzling. I mean, we can dive into multiple Nick Underhill tweets over the last couple of days.
122:39There was one today that team owner Gail Benson said, quote, I will not make excuses and I will not accept this level of performance as our standard.
122:47Uh, the Saints play the New York Giants this week.
122:50Uh, they are favored by a half a point on the road.
122:53I will say Hayden. More of a fantasy football lens to this.
122:56Tyler Shuck. Seemingly a broken hand wearing a glove on it.
123:00I'm sure a cast underneath that. He's at the point where he's handing off everything with his right hand, even if it's
123:06supposed to be with the other one. He had two horrific interceptions here.
123:10His left tackle is down. This is one of those situations that I get nervous that a player loses faith and comfort in his environment.
123:17He stops trusting the protection. Uh, we've seen this with a lot of other quarterbacks and then that kind of can snowball from there.
123:24So a guy that was willing early on in the season to stick in there and fire these shots down the field.
123:30Uh, I wouldn't be surprised at all. And I'm not putting this as a negative that any quarterback that gets hit this much in this hard.
123:38That can happen too. And then we get worse and worse and fewer big plays from it.
123:42Yeah. Didn't have the rushing yards like he typically does as well.
123:46I think that's hand related. I think it's a great note on the handle ball from the other side.
123:51That also limits like the type of runs that you can run as well.
123:55So you become a little bit more predictable. This tight end group can't block.
123:59The running back group can't block. So a very predictable kind of format for the Vikings.
124:04Uh, this week, the giants, we'll get to the commanders in a second.
124:08The giants defense did a lot of the Flores kind of attacking stuff, especially late in that game against the commanders.
124:14And I think teams are just going to keep on doing that against the saints and live with the one-on-one results to
124:20Chris Olave, uh, down the field, because this team just cannot protect the edges and in the backfield.
124:25And with Tyler Shuck kind of just like melting down, uh, I think that is a recipe for disaster and you can't trust any of the running backs.
124:33Obviously I think Juwan Johnson stuff is like going to come and go.
124:37Um, I'm surprised it's like Kellen Moore, like does Mickey Loomis just gets, does he just get this job for life?
124:43Like truly like, like this is his 22nd season.
124:46You know, they, they aren't linked together because obviously Loomis has been there far longer, uh, and also used to be a
124:52part of the New Orleans Pelican staff, I believe until he fully went over here.
124:56Uh, cause Jeff Ireland has been a long time confidant, uh, here with the saints as well.
125:01Um, under Hill posted another tweet that says, uh, I said, if they lose the game here against the giants, I'm not
125:07sure they'll be able to survive as in the circumstances will be so stacked against them that getting their footing back could be impossible.
125:14So it wouldn't be an immediate thing, but it could just set them up for, Hey, this is your second straight losing season.
125:21Uh, on top of that, they've lost what three straight to the Atlanta Falcons, which we talked about last week as a
125:27big deal to the fan base down there that it might just the ownership after just two seasons might just decide that
125:34there's not enough positives and a trending positive direction, which is surprising.
125:37Cause I think Kelly Moore is good at his job.
125:40He'd be the number one. I think OC play caller, uh, option out there on the cycle.
125:45If he does get fired. Yeah. To me, like, I mean, how many more years Mickey loom is like to be actually need?
125:51Like it's kind of comes down to that for me.
125:54Well, let's talk about this New York giants that you brought up.
125:58Uh, I, I covered this game on Sunday. Uh, I talked about how they all played poorly for three quarters and then
126:04especially Jameis then the fourth quarter, you know, we got really good Malik neighbor stuff throughout the end.
126:09Most of the game, Isaiah likely obviously. And this was a perfect game for him because as we talk about with this
126:15Durante Jones defense, they take the Viking stuff to where they'll blitz and they'll play coverage off.
126:20And there's this Canyon of space in the middle.
126:23And that's where Isaiah likely was dominating. What'd you see from this giant's office?
126:27I call it birds on the fence. That's what QB school calls it.
126:31When there's just off, uh, coverage, uh, defensive backs and no help.
126:34And there was probably 10 reps of that. Uh, and sometimes it went the giants way.
126:39Sometimes it didn't, I think on tape for Malik neighbors, like the big thing is just zooming out.
126:44This game was in rainy conditions and Malik neighbors has been talking about just like not feeling like himself.
126:49He went for a career high 31.6 expected points, 11 receptions, a 38% target share, 245 air yards.
126:55And this one, like doing that in the rain is like the context that like stands out to me, like he, that
127:01he should feel confident on this knee moving forward to massive win on that front.
127:05And then also there was a rep where he was given a screen and I thought that was the best burst I've seen from him.
127:12Uh, broke a little bit of an arm tackle up the sideline.
127:16And that was, I thought it was like his best, like pure moment of getting up to speed like himself.
127:22Um, so yeah, that was all super encouraging. I think that, you know, the commander's defense is just one that we can
127:28get after in terms of one-on-one reps against Mike Sanres still and the rest of these guys on the boundary.
127:34So that was like huge advantage for Malik neighbors.
127:36And it's, it really is shocking to see that commander's defense, like leave their guys on islands to the extent that they did.
127:43Yeah. It's putting a lot of faith in corners who are not very good, uh, but this is the system and it,
127:49it, it can work and it doesn't like Brian Flores has mastered it.
127:53And you know, a lot of it's getting the personnel, right.
127:56And they probably just don't in the first season have the personnel, right.
128:00For, for the commanders, uh, anything you want to say about this running back room?
128:04Uh, again, I know that, uh, cam scatterboot had a lot of the work once they got into overtime, but Hayden, it
128:10stood out to me that there were drives that got inside the 10 yard line and the five yard line.
128:16And I'm not saying like they ran a bunch of snaps, right?
128:20It was like 84 snaps. So cam scatterboot is not going to play all 84, but as of a few weeks ago, there was more Najee Harrison.
128:27I was expecting and more, uh, Tyron Tracy. I was expecting in kind of those situations.
128:32I think scatterboot played nine of the first snaps on different drives in the game, but there was like a couple of
128:38them that were long drives and it was all Tyron Tracy with Najee Harris.
128:42You can see that one of them was the Najee Harris, uh, goal line rep there.
128:47Uh, scatterboot is just not catching nearly as many passes.
128:50Like in a game where Jameis drops back that many times, they run that many plays for him still to only have two receptions.
128:57Uh, and that one, I think that's to me the concerning part, like they're not utilizing him in what I thought was
129:03his best attribute is like, he's a pain in the butt to tackle out in space.
129:08Uh, and he can catch the ball and we're just not seeing that from him.
129:12And then, you know, the fumble and Najee Harris, like just kind of continuance of being a factor at the goal line.
129:18These are all ways to kind of break ties against cam scatterboot.
129:22And then the other thing is just when Jameis is out there versus Jackson dart, like you can just feel the difference in like the rushing success.
129:29Like that room gets crowded up front and the Jason McCarthy stuff.
129:33That ain't going to work either. Like you guys talked about that in the recap.
129:37That was ridiculous. Wasn't it? I had the treat of watching that at all 22.
129:41I mean that get that all the way out of here.
129:45I mean, what is the, what is the plan there?
129:47Well, what was the point? You had four snaps and it was like, oh, we like this Jackson dart stuff so much
129:54in the preseason that I want to utilize it with someone.
129:57He probably went for a combined two yards. You know, it was so pointless.
130:01It was so pointless. Keeping the ball like right to defenders.
130:04Like that was, I mean, yes. What the hell is going on there?
130:08So like there's a lot of red flags going on with cam scatterboot.
130:12He's the RB 33 and RB 23 usage this month, but his expected points have dropped in four straight games and he hasn't scored a touchdown.
130:19There's like, I'm holding on to flex appeal for cam scatterboot.
130:22And there's like really just not that many quality RB flexes in the league.
130:26So I'm still going to rank him like under this RB 25 spot, but this is not a fourth or fifth round pick.
130:33Yeah. At the same time, the matchup this week at home against the new Orleans saints, a defense that is down defensive
130:39lineman, a defense that has not been good this season.
130:42We're going to learn a lot from this coaching staff.
130:45If they are punishing him from that fumble in overtime, that should have lost them the game or not.
130:50Uh, I mean, we always say it like if there is going to be a rebound spot, this should be a rebound spot for someone like cam scatterboot.
130:58Yep. Definitely. So. Okay. Philadelphia Eagles, the running game sucks.
131:01I mean, it sucks no matter who's out there.
131:04Uh, obviously we have all the offensive linemen that are traded or injured or retired.
131:08And then we have Will Shipley out there for 1.2 yards per carry.
131:12Now he's on injured reserve. Uh, then you have Damian Pierce out there for 1.3 yards per carry.
131:17That doesn't really matter. It sounds like Saquon Barkley is going to return this week, but Hayden 30% of the Eagles runs this season are stuffed.
131:25That means they go for no gain or a loss.
131:27That is easily, easily last in the NFL. The Willie Lampkin stuff was like, it was, it was fun.
131:33And then you watch it and you're like, Oh, he's getting pushed back pretty quickly.
131:37Yes. Yes, definitely. So, but it's not just like the, the left guard is, you know, like five 11, 275 pounds or whatever.
131:44Um, the center's inexperience and their lack of trust with the center right now is pretty alarming.
131:49There was a lot of snaps like Jalen's catching the ball up here, but also like they're not pushing.
131:54There was a couple of like fourth and one third and one situations where they're handing the ball off.
132:00Uh, there's been a couple of like, uh, you know, under center runs where Jalen has not caught the ball cleanly going to hand things off.
132:07Like the exchange, just like the lack of chemistry between the interior line and Jalen hurts is off the running back talents,
132:13like obviously falling off a complete cliff. Uh, uh, if, uh, Saquon Barkley can't get out there again.
132:18Um, my film take was, was the scheme changed a little bit in the past game where there were still a lot
132:25of unblocked pressures, but they're like almost like inviting the unblocked pressure.
132:28They were like, get out into empty and just throw the ball over the top.
132:33They had made a couple of plays. There's obviously the Dante or the, uh, the, yeah, the Dante V and Wicks play
132:39where Jalen hurts is overthrew them, but they kind of simplified it and they said, screw it.
132:44You bring six. We got five in front and Jalen's just going to throw the ball immediately.
132:49And like, that was their kind of plan. It's kind of sad that, you know, an NFL team's gotten to that point,
132:55but I do think it was a better plan than what they had in the first couple of weeks.
133:00So like things are rotten here. Sirianni's done. The offensive line is done.
133:04Um, and yeah, those are all my notes, I guess.
133:07Well, and the Panthers don't have corners. That's who they're facing off this week.
133:11So I, I'm very intrigued to see how they want to attack again, this Panther secondary.
133:16I doubt a Caleb Evans starts another game coming out of the by like, he got burned against the lions, but you
133:22know, the book is out on this version of Jalen in this environment where it's, it's very Todd Bowles ask where you
133:28blitz them, you get a free rusher, you make him.
133:31Oh, my hot is here. I'm just going to throw it up.
133:35And then you hope you're in the odds and the, the odds are in your favor in, in that case.
133:40And a lot of times they are, but then if it's not, then that leads to big place.
133:46Um, it's interesting. All my buddies that cover the Eagles keep saying that like Darius Cooper is the most important wide receiver on this team.
133:53Other than Devante Smith, uh, obviously he's coming down with the big plays, but it's from a blocking standpoint too.
133:58I do wonder if they just abandoned the, I mean, they won't with Saquon, uh, one thing on the rushing, you mentioned
134:05the center and maybe not trusting him. Um, does that play a part along with the left guard where we might not
134:11see tush pushes from Jalen hurts once to get down to the one yard line.
134:15Like that's where we'll Shipley had his rushing touchdown.
134:18So look, I am not here as an optimistic lens for any of this rushing stuff, but if they get down to
134:24the one, it is now more likely to me that we get running back runs versus the tush push of the previous five years.
134:31Agree. It'll get stuffed, but it'll look good in the expected points model for sure.
134:35For, for these running backs. Um, yeah. The, the other thing that was kind of frustrating is, um, Makai lemon one.
134:42There was a rep against Travis Hunter in the slot man coverage rep and just watching the difference between Makai lemon move in the length versus Travis Hunter.
134:50He just came over the top of them, just completely dominated.
134:53And like, that was like, okay, two first round picks.
134:56One looks like a first round pick. The other one's struggling.
134:59And then Makai lemon, they threw him on a screen and it hit the back of his jersey because he didn't know
135:05that the play was called for him. This is not the first time this has happened.
135:10Yeah. Well, and then all the other screens have gone for no yards for him this year.
135:15So we just got to get rid of the screens in the playbook from Makai.
135:19He's droppable. Give him to someone else. I think that he's droppable.
135:22Oh, interesting. Okay. Devante Smith should come back this week too.
135:25Hopefully let's talk Pittsburgh Steelers. Speaking of coming back, Rico Datal sounds like he's turning in the right direction, but Mike McCarthy on Jalen Warren.
135:33Jalen's our featured player right now. Let's make sure we all recognize that he's hot.
135:37Hayden, you've known Jalen Warren is hot since the summer.
135:40Super hot. Super hot. Jalen Warren is real hot.
135:42I'm hot for Jalen Warren. There's just no way around it.
135:46I think they can't put this back. He looks exceptional.
135:48All the fancy boy metrics has always been hot for Jalen Warren.
135:52We're seeing it here. It's as a receiver and it's as a rusher.
135:56He's a bowling ball. He puts a lot of effort out there.
135:59He's good in protection. And he can catch the ball.
136:02And we'll see how much they want to pass the ball because they've lost so many pass catchers recently.
136:07But I just think he's a great fit for Aaron Rodgers.
136:11And I didn't think that Rico Datal looks good before his injury.
136:14And you dislocate your tote a couple times in the same game and now you're rushing back.
136:19It's a no contest for me. Jalen Warren is going to be...
136:22He won't be the top... I think I ranked him as my RB6 last week.
136:27Like, he's probably going to be closer to like RB14 or something like that.
136:31But versus where you drafted, like one of the best picks you could have made.
136:35Yeah, it's tough to run on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
136:38But they are favored by two and a half on the road in Tampa in that one.
136:43You listened to the waiver wire show. Joel, do you think I can go overboard on Jeremy Bernard?
136:48No, I mean, he's going to be out there for every single snap.
136:52And they're going to throw him the ball. It seems like Roger's like willing to live with the mistakes.
136:57I think we nailed the Jeremy Bernard. Yeah, huge.
137:00A evaluation from what he was doing at Alabama where anything with an in cut within 15 yards, like those are like big boy routes.
137:07And you got to have size and you got to be willing to do that.
137:11And Rogers wants to make those throws. Like there was times where he was checking over to Jeremy Bernard and then throwing a little quick slant to him.
137:19And like that was his best moments. He also has had some of the worst drops, including one that went for an
137:26interception where Rogers had to tackle a guy. There was a drop up the seam.
137:30But at least Jeremy Bernard on that seam route, a player jumped off sides and he knew that to abandon the original play and run up the seam.
137:38He just happened to drop the ball. There was one play where he didn't know that he was actually sort of run
137:44around instead of, you know, try to run block.
137:47And then he went to Jalen Warren and dropped that pass.
137:50So long story short, he's going to come up, be a full time participant.
137:54And Rogers seems to like be willing to live with a mistake.
137:57So I think that he's going to get by.
138:00I don't think he's been the perfect player so far, but this team's been pretty pass first and he's not coming off the field.
138:07Living with the mistakes is massive for someone in this offense.
138:10Like Roman Wilson had a pass go through his hands that got intercepted.
138:14And then he was immediately benched for Jeremy Bernard in that instance previously.
138:17Yeah, I mean, 92% snaps. There was a quote that Jim Nance had during the broadcast that every single production meeting that
138:24we have, Aaron Rodgers can't stop talking about Jeremy Bernard.
138:27He brings them up all the time. I am not comparing Jeremy and his talent level to Lad McConkey's or Amon Ross St.
138:33Brown or Brian Thomas Jr. But let's always remember, especially in a week rookie wide receiver class so far in fantasy football,
138:40that the second half of fantasy seasons are often defined by these emerging rookies, you know?
138:44And this is a case where Michael Pittman Jr., there's not like one positive thing that has been said about him since
138:51his contract extension, like all summer long. And now at some point, he'll come back from injury.
138:55Like I think Jeremy Bernard has the wide receiver two job and carries the wide receiver two job for the rest of the season.
139:02Now, it's not like this is a perfect offense, but, you know, Rodgers is making one or two plays every single week,
139:09flicking that risk for three or four big throws each week that, you know, Jeremy and DK are such different types that
139:15I really think Rodgers appreciates the style that Jeremy Bernard brings to the table here.
139:19Yeah, Metcalf's back in like that vertical X receiver role and Jeremy's like the flanker slot kind of depending on the exact personnel that they're utilizing.
139:27If he hits, I think he's going to hit like a Jacoby Myers type.
139:31And, you know, I think that's enough to like, I'll probably have him as like my wide receiver 37 or so in
139:37rankings with some bye weeks and some injuries kind of in there.
139:40So, you know, I think it's a little bit dangerous to put him into your lineup right away, but crazier things have definitely been done.
139:48I was going to ask you about Pat Fryermuth because he's making a lot of plays and like the usage is there.
139:54And like this is like a former like pretty good prospect.
139:57He's got size. This team can really block with their tight ends right now.
140:01And they they're doing some fun things with him scores two touchdowns here, but he's he's a tight end nine and expected points this year.
140:08So it's like not I'm not just chasing the two touchdowns like his involvement is like actually real.
140:14And he's he's somebody I said, I have to keep ranking higher.
140:17Yeah, I think I brought him up like at the very last few weeks of drafting because Aaron Rodgers couldn't stop talking about him.
140:24Yeah. And that was when, you know, Michael Pittman had missed so much of camp that Rodgers brought up DK.
140:30He brought up Fryermuth and he brought up someone else.
140:32I can't remember. But yeah, I mean, Fryermuth has been the tight end six, 22, then 33, but 14 and then two over the last five weeks.
140:40I mean, and this team runs a lot of 12 personnel, right?
140:44So when they're in 12, he's going to be kind of the seam stretcher.
140:48And we know how much Aaron Rodgers loves to throw those seam passes, too.
140:52So he is entering that like flex conversation in certain weeks as we hit injuries and bye weeks and all that type of stuff.
140:59Yep. OK. San Francisco 49ers. It's Mike Evans. It's George Kittle.
141:02It's Christian McCaffrey, who's the running back 11 in points per game.
141:05I'm not sure if you want to say anything about that.
141:08And then we don't know who's at wide receiver.
141:11I mean, Christian Kirk might come back at some point, but it doesn't seem like it's trending in the right direction right now.
141:18I think I saw Matt Barrows say that Brandon Cooks is the next man up.
141:22I'll tell you what. Comparing two veterans and like Debo Samuel off the street and Brandon Cooks off the street.
141:28Cooks does not move nearly as well. Yeah, he also doesn't have the size.
141:32That was my main takeaway from the game is just, you know, Mike Evans on Josh Jobe was just dunking on him the entire game.
141:39That was the most yardage that a single player has allowed in the Mike McDonald era.
141:43According to next gen stats was Josh Jobe and like almost all of that was just Mike Evans, like literally just dunking all over him.
141:51So that was awesome to see. They're going to have to use Mike Evans.
141:55They're trying to keep his snaps and stuff down.
141:57Same thing with Christian McCaffrey. This is kind of one of those weeks where like, you know, you're so desperate that these
142:04guys are going to have to get the rock a bunch.
142:07I think that Christian McCaffrey, I think he looks a little bit faster.
142:10I would like to be curious to see what his tracking data is.
142:14But his yards per carry is up from 3.9 to 4.7.
142:17There's more explosive plays. I thought he turned the corner a couple times in this one.
142:22The touchdown was a good example of that. But that one to the perimeter, I think was an even better one.
142:2812 carries per game instead of 18. But we're seeing some of the efficiency gains.
142:32And like, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a week where they're like, we got to go.
142:37And Christian McCaffrey is going to be extremely involved.
142:40Same thing with Mike Evans. So, you know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to say that all these guys are must starts.
142:47But they're I think they're looking up even more so than what they did the last month.
142:51Yeah, the theory of the play for them is dropping Christian McCaffrey from, you know, 30 touches a game down to 20 ish.
142:58And that leads to more explosion, more per carry basis and better numbers from that.
143:02But now that we're like, we continue to boil this thing down, like more and more still has to go in his direction.
143:09They're projected for 29 points this week on Monday Night Football against the Commanders.
143:13So, yeah, you play the dudes here. That's for sure.
143:16Okay. Seattle Seahawks are up next. This is a straightforward one, too.
143:19I mean, it's JSN and Emmanuel Wilson is running back to slash one out there.
143:24Anything you want to say about Seattle? The last month, Emmanuel Wilson's the RB 17 and RB 14 usage.
143:29You hate to see the fumble, but then George Helani has an even worse one right in the back of his own end zone.
143:36And they have nobody else to get to move to.
143:39So, yeah, I'm not saying Emmanuel Wilson's good, but they have nobody else to go to the ball to use.
143:45And, you know, you're just going to keep plugging your nose and starting this RB, too.
143:49Yep. Very true. They're only projected for 21 and a half points on Thursday Night Football.
143:54That is against the Denver Broncos. But even with Emmanuel Wilson, getting about two catches per game is pretty good.
144:00Mm-hmm. Other running backs that are more talented pass catchers are getting less.
144:03So while we heard a lot about Brian Flurry getting, you know, running backs out in space as pass catchers more, we
144:10were hoping that meant for Jadarian Price. And unfortunately, that means it's happening for Emmanuel Wilson.
144:14Yeah. Fantasy is a funny game. Okay. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
144:17Jalen Daniels. We try to tell him, Hayden. He's a gamer.
144:20He's pretty fun. He's not the worst quarterback out there.
144:23And he made enough plays on Thursday that I'm excited to see.
144:27And that game feels like a turn to go.
144:29I'm excited to see what he can do this week.
144:32I'll be it. It's against the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, which in a lot of the fancy boy metrics rank is a top five unit.
144:39Yeah. He'll run around a little bit, too. So if you're in a super flex league or there's a million guys and
144:45you've got an injured quarterback or whatever, I think you can do worse.
144:49You know, tough tests against the Steelers, but you got a little extended time there.
144:53I think Chris Godwin's just done. And I think the real debate is, okay, moving forward, what's the Bucky line?
144:59Speaking of things I got wrong, like, you know, completely whiffed on the Bucky situation, got the goal line carries, looked awesome on top of that.
145:06So that's something I totally whiffed on. Hand up there.
145:09So I think Bucky is like firmly in RB2.
145:12And then the real one is just what do we do with Emeka Ibuka?
145:16Because I think he looks fine on tape. I don't think he looks excellent on tape.
145:21The involvement was pretty solid last week. 15.3 expected points got the touchdown on the ground there.
145:25But not it hasn't been easy giving him the football this year.
145:29And I think they're trying to, and they're like using him in like fun little ways, including that little two-point conversion catch that he had.
145:36But it hasn't been like super straightforward. He's like kind of holding the lines.
145:40Like, what would you do with like Emeka Ibuka with Daniels like this next week or two?
145:45I mean, he just doesn't have that much juice to his game.
145:48He's kind of a one-note runner. That's where I'm at.
145:51It kind of felt like that at times last year.
145:54A lot of his big plays went through defenders' hands, and it was Baker on an absolute heater.
145:59Maybe some of that is the injury that he, you know, dealt with all preseason.
146:04We'll see. I'm just not, you know, I was hoping there was that section of drafts that was our favorite to select
146:10all the wide receivers that started after Zay Flowers, and it kind of ended with Garrett Wilson.
146:15The only two guys that really matter from that group are Ted Aronick-Millan and Garrett Wilson, and then no one else.
146:21Yep. Yeah. And Emeka Ibuka was in that. They were like literally the worst picks that you could have made.
146:27Like that entire corner, they all stink. Like you hope that you should have just like drafted DeAndre Swift way ahead.
146:33Yeah. I think Zach Robinson still kind of stinks, even if they won this game, and he's not really helping out.
146:39Like we all got a little bit infatuated with, oh, the Z, the movement guy, and this tree, and that's why we're going to draft Emeka Ibuka.
146:46And nope. Not good so far. But we'll see.
146:49We'll see this week. Two more teams. Tennessee Titans are next.
146:5211 consecutive division losses. Hayden, they have six offensive touchdowns in five games.
146:56Warren Sharp posted on where Cam Ward is at right now in terms of some underlying metrics.
147:01He's been blitzed on only 20% of his dropbacks.
147:03That's the lowest rate in the NFL. He has been pressured on only 31% of his dropbacks.
147:08That's the ninth lowest rate in the league. And despite all that, he's 35th in yards per attempt, 31st in EPA, and 35th in explosive gain rate.
147:16So anything new you want to say about this offense?
147:19There really isn't. I just think he's playing so terribly.
147:22And I don't think the scheme is doing him any favors.
147:25But really, his best moments was last week or two weeks ago against the Ravens.
147:29And we watched that. And we're like, oh, Carnell Tate finished as the wide receiver 11.
147:34What was going on there? And then you're like, oh, there's a lot of it just kind of out of structure plays.
147:40Which is nice to have. But at some point, there's just got to be some dependability that they can stay in the
147:46pocket on time and complete a pass down the football field.
147:50And we just don't see that with Cam Ward.
147:52You don't even watch him and realize that he has great arm talent because he just doesn't use it very often.
147:58Very, very strange player. I don't have reasons for optimism.
148:01The only thing I will say is you catch the Colts indoors and that defense has not been very good.
148:07Like, there's got to be some semblance of just like normalcy with the Tennessee Titans.
148:11Like, it can't be like, hey, that was a kind of fun play every three games.
148:16Like, we got to be way better than that.
148:18Yeah, I won't read through it all. But there's an interesting post that you all can find that basically this franchise has crumbled since trading away A.J.
148:26Brown, losing Mike Brayble, all this type of stuff.
148:29And while that has kind of been termed a John Robinson decision, Hayden, you and I have also theorized that it was
148:35kind of an ownership decision, too, based on the contract and having enough money to pay for everything and all that stuff.
148:41So we talked about the ownership stuff on Sunday Night Football.
148:44This is a top down, you know, bad team stay bad because of ownership.
148:48And the Tennessee Titans are up there. Not that the owners, you know, not calling explosive plays on the field.
148:54But Hayden, I think this team and Cam Ward is last in the NFL in terms of 20 plus yard passing attempts down the field.
149:01That's not cool. That's not fun. Yeah, you said attempts, right?
149:05Like they're losing every game like you would want like screw it.
149:08Here comes a post route here. Like, let's get something like we just don't we don't get that.
149:13It's like so strange. Like one of the positives for Cam Ward is that he could throw the ball with like some serious RPMs.
149:20Like you're hoping that he can turn into Jordan Love and like.
149:24We're not even trying those like it's it's it's really is bizarre.
149:27Washington Commanders will close this thing out. I had this game on Sunday.
149:31What popped to me was Jane Daniel scrambling. It was so freaking legit in terms of putting your foot in the dirt
149:37and climbing immediately and being extremely decisive. Like so many of these scrambles that go for one or two yards are just these elongated.
149:44Oh, I'm trying to buy some time. But the Jane Daniel styling of those scrambles is what wins fancy matchups on a weekly basis.
149:51Let's put it that way. Yeah, I'm just it's stunning how fast he is.
149:55So he's pulling away from NFL defensive backs. It's it really is wild to watch.
149:59I noted that there was like maybe three or four plays where they got like the play wrong.
150:04Like it wasn't just like the last sequence. Like there was a there's a rep where Jaden Daniels like took a step
150:11to like hand the ball off and then just like dove forward for like a yard.
150:15There was like three or four plays. I would just like seemed like something was like really bizarre in that game.
150:21The other thing I noticed was Bill Krosky merit was out there for a lot of it.
150:26And then the fourth quarter starts and he doesn't play another snap.
150:30And it wasn't because of an injury. It wasn't because of like some egregious fumble or pass protection.
150:35Like I watched all these snaps. It wasn't because of that.
150:38I think what happened was the Giants had like the six or seven defenders right at the line of scrimmage.
150:44And they did that for like four four plays in a row.
150:47And then David Blount was like, we got to get Rashad White out there because I don't trust Bill and pass protection.
150:53I totally understand that. But because they did that for literally the rest of the game going into overtime.
150:59That's why I think that Bill got kind of schemed out of the game because of the psychopath behavior that the Giants defense was out there.
151:06So obviously, that's a concerning part for the Bill profile is like that this type of thing could happen.
151:12But I thought he was like, you know, fine enough on his runs.
151:16And I think that that type of game is not going to happen every single week.
151:20And, you know, I think you can do worse as like an RB two, three right now.
151:25Yeah, he had an awesome 22 yard touchdown. That was what untouched on the opening drive.
151:30That's a great note you had like. The Giants defense just realized the commanders had zero answer for zero blitz, zero answer.
151:36And then they finally got it when they got into overtime and they threw a screen to Deami Brown and he fumbled whenever that was.
151:43That might have been the fourth quarter, too. So like that's your answer to it.
151:47So other teams will test them when when it comes to that.
151:51That's for sure. OK, I think that's it. Trigger Kwankwo, I did want to bring up.
151:55Yeah, Trigger Kwankwo. Just some maybe it's like on and off splits here with Stefan Diggs, but he got involved with like
152:02split foe actions and you have some leak and all that type of stuff.
152:06So, you know, those July picks that I made Hayden paid off for one week at least.
152:11Well, I think it's another good week for him.
152:13They're gonna be trailing to the four diners. We don't have a tight end ranking show, but I do think you can
152:20do a whole lot worse if you're in a really bad spot at tight end with him.
152:24Assuming Diggs is out. My last note. I still think that Terry McLaurin puts out pretty nice film, you know, like it's
152:31not like groundbreaking stuff, but there's a couple moments up the sideline where he's still showcasing some speed.
152:36He can run some in breaking routes on occasion there as well.
152:39So like I think Terry McLaurin, if Diggs is out, like he's going to have some serious moments here now that I
152:46think Jaden Daniels is like going to be totally fine.
152:49Like maybe his elbow pokes sideways at some point later on, but I don't think he's going to change his style and
152:55I don't think it's going to really affect his accuracy and too much.
152:59So I don't like want to over calibrate to the fact that his elbow could go sideways at any moment.
153:04Like I think that it's just gonna be the same old Jaden Daniels until like he can't be on the field.
153:10Closing note, after you heard every single football podcast, fantasy or otherwise, talk about the final sequence for the commanders.
153:16Hey, I am firmly of the opinion that we should blame Jaden Daniels the most.
153:20Yes. You have to know what's going on in that situation.
153:24You have to. Yep. No excuse. Like we, when I'm at a football game, I look at the scoreboard and I know exactly where the timeouts are.
153:31And they don't pay me $30 million a year or whatever he's going to be making soon.
153:36There'll be a lot more than that. Even if they didn't remind him in the huddle, it should still be.
153:42And it sounded like they did remind him and that he repeated it.
153:46So yes, I think that's Jaden Daniels fault. Okay.
153:48That does it for us. Shout out to Madison and Mosho and Weaves behind the scenes.
153:53Also Matt Harmon for joining us here on this episode and all of you for watching over two hours and 30 minutes of stats versus film.
154:00We appreciate it. We'll be back tomorrow with our running back rankings.
154:04Then back Friday with the wide receiver rankings. Shout out to all of you again.
154:08Up the Villa. Talk to you guys soon. See ya.