0:00Oh yes! Welcome to Stats vs Film. This is the flagship program.
0:03You know what we did. We watched every single game from week four, then looked at the underlying metrics, the spreadsheets, the
0:10stats, and then progressed that over to week five to help you bully and defeat your league mates and get that W.
0:16To help me do that today, Hayden Winks, Matt Harmon.
0:19You guys know the core of this episode. We go through the 10 headline teams at the top, namely the two primetime
0:26games we haven't discussed yet, and then we go in alphabetical order.
0:29After that, and Hayden, four weeks is a very long time, and it already feels like we've had some Jekyll and Hyde
0:36teams, and we have to kick that off with the Atlanta Falcons.
0:39Maybe the most Jekyll and Hyde team of all time through the first four games of an NFL season since Michael Pinnock took over.
0:46Bijan Robinson is the running back two and running back five.
0:49Brian Robinson is the running back 19 and running back eight.
0:52Is this a high-flying fantasy scoring environment? I think it kind of is.
0:56I think the Falcons' defense is going to be more middle of the pack.
1:00Their secondary, I think, is still gettable, and this is the NFC South, which we're talking about like the carnival division out
1:07there, and the ball is just funneled to, it's more or less three players.
1:11I'll include Brian Robinson in that, but 14 games with Michael Penix, Drake London is a wide receiver three.
1:16On wide receiver one overall target share at 35%.
1:19Wide receiver one overall air yards, 116 per game.
1:22And then B. John, the stats are incredible. And to me, like the one thing that we just have to get right
1:28at this point is what do we do with Brian Robinson?
1:31Like, is he Kyle Menungai or is he Caitlin Black?
1:34And I think that's kind of the range I'm trying to figure out, Matt.
1:38Well, speaking of the Bears, I mean, they have 335 rushing yards from their running backs over the last two weeks.
1:44That is second to the Atlanta Falcons who have 451.
1:47I mean, the production from the running backs the last two weeks is absolutely outrageous.
1:52And, you know, I've always thought that Brian Robinson is not just some dud.
1:56He's a nice player. He's got he's got a specific set of skills, right?
2:00He's a power runner. He's a downhill player. He hits the hole and he gets north.
2:05And, you know, the route or the rushing chart here is exactly right.
2:08You know, there's going to be a little bit bouncing to the outside, but for the most part, we're downhill.
2:14We're going forward and he's been able to do that.
2:17And, you know, for a guy like B. John Robinson, it's nice to have a breather player in the backfield.
2:23I think Brian Robinson, there's some sustainability to this.
2:26These are the best picks in fantasy, right guys?
2:28These ones who have the sustainability as one of the best handcuffs, but also real deal standalone value.
2:33And I'm kind of starting to buy into the fact that Brian Robinson has some of that because I think this offensive
2:40line, Josh, has been kicking butt up front. A hundred percent.
2:43I'm about to blow some people's minds and also frustrate some others.
2:47Brian Robinson has more fancy points per game than Jeremiah Love does at this point.
2:51I mean, it goes to show how different these last two weeks have been on top of that.
2:56I kind of just want to zoom out on the Falcons and maybe this kind of explains everything about them because Hayden,
3:03they were the worst franchise in the NFL in the opening two weeks of the season.
3:07And then these last two weeks, they've scored over 40 points, right?
3:11I know the answer. I don't have to ask you like, well, what is real?
3:15It's somewhere in between. But the Falcons can't keep scoring 40 points per contest.
3:19And I think it's mainly due to some of the defenses that they faced over the last two weeks.
3:25That's fair. And I don't want to rain on people's parades.
3:28We have the Green Bay Packers who have no pass rush and had some issues in the back end, right?
3:34And then you have the New Orleans Saints who had no defensive line and Brandon Staley just allowing them to gash in the running game.
3:41And then you throw over top of them. So I guess Hayden, to your to my question is this like.
3:47How good are the Falcons going to be for the next 13 weeks?
3:51What is the core of their principles? What is their foundation with Michael Pinnock's and with Kevin Stefanski and with the Drake London and B.
3:58John of it all? I think they're going to do a lot of the under center play action stuff, which was a
4:04big kind of question mark with Michael Pinnock's going back to college.
4:08There wasn't there was a little bit more of like kind of breaking outside the pocket.
4:13A couple throws a little bit on the move there.
4:15He's still going to miss some passes with accuracy.
4:18There's two balls kind of batted down. There was a couple missed throws, but he wants to push the ball down the field.
4:25A lot of the first reads are to Drake London.
4:28So if they are probably an average offense, let's say they're around 16th and scoring moving forward.
4:33But it's literally just three guys because Kyle Pitts is not part of the equation at all.
4:38He's like not even playing full time snaps at this point.
4:41They don't have to be a top 10 offense for Drake London to be a top five fantasy wide receiver for B.
4:47John to pay off the second overall pick. And then for someone like Brian Robinson, probably to be like a low end
4:54flex play the last two weeks, 5.9 and 12.7 expected points.
4:57He's not like always subbing in for the goal line role.
5:00If he's out there, they'll just keep him out there.
5:03But they were giving him touches in the first half of the game to keep B.
5:08John fresh. You don't want to get B. John 30 touches per game to Matt's point there.
5:13So, yeah, I think Brian Robinson probably like a version of Blake Corum, not all the way up to Kyle Menungai.
5:19But if you had to in bye weeks, throw him out there as a flex.
5:23There's definitely worse as we get to the peak of injuries and bye weeks.
5:27The under center stuff is pretty nuts for Michael Penix because this was not what he did in college.
5:33It's not what he did over the course of his first couple years in the NFL.
5:37He had six pass attempts under center play action in the first two years of his career combined.
5:43He had six against the Packers. He had eight under center attempts last night.
5:47It's totally different in terms of the Michael Penix of it all, which is really encouraging to see because, I mean, you
5:53could kind of tell yourself a story where it was to a better fit in the offseason for what Kevin Stefanski would want to do.
6:00He's not a good fit for anybody. Michael Penix has been the guy.
6:04While coming off these ACL tears, it's pretty outrageous.
6:07So huge hat tip to him. And to your point, Hayden, two of two for 68 yards on post routes against the
6:13Saints last night, including to my boy Jahan Dotson, who had a pretty nice little route on that touchdown there.
6:19So, yeah, it's a very concentrated offense. Drake London is good at those big crossers, the overs, the posts.
6:25And this is what Michael Penix did with like Roma Dunze in college.
6:28He was more out of the gun for sure, but it was a lot of those passes on the big breaking routes to Rome, to Jalen Polk.
6:36So that part of it is within Michael Penix's bag, even if yes, there's no doubt he will always be a little bit of a spray quarterback.
6:44Okay. The teams that are going to slow down this offense, one, it is at least slowing down the running game.
6:50Now that's tough because as you, Matt, you pointed out how good the offensive line has been and it's not just the run blocking.
6:57It's the pass protection. And that kind of leads me to my second point where right now, Michael Penix is kind of like in his own area code.
7:06In terms of over 65% of his passes and drop X are clean.
7:09There is no pressure out there. And we have seen Penix be a very different quarterback when pressure, when not.
7:15Obviously, every single quarterback is worse, but I think his kind of falls off a cliff in comparison to others.
7:21And so again, easier said than done. But if you slow down the running game and you get pressure on the quarterback
7:27and cover more outside and force him to throw the middle, that is not where he wants to throw the football.
7:34So to me, if there are some areas of still questions and weakness, because again, these last two games have been some
7:40of the easiest defenses that he'll face all season long based on the status of some of the players that are injured for them.
7:47With that said, Hayden, I look at their schedule and it's the Ravens and the Bears over the next two weeks.
7:53They might not have to face the starting quarterback for either of those teams.
7:57So three weeks ago, those look like difficult opponents.
8:00And now they're two and a half point favorites, I believe, against the Ravens here in week five.
8:05And then Caleb Williams might not be back for the Bears after that.
8:09My goal, my kind of philosophy with the NFC South is don't get confident in any of these teams because just when
8:15you start taking the bait, it just flips on your head.
8:18So, you know, just I would be one foot in, one foot out.
8:22Yeah. Final note on this, just the cow pits of it all.
8:26I mean, this is the definition of no block, no rock when the B.
8:30John Robinson and Brian Robinson stuff is so important.
8:32This is also what year six for cow pits, year five.
8:36It's been three offensive coordinators kind of wondering what to do with him.
8:39And then it's getting to this point and he's just kind of who he is, you know, and he's even different than
8:46like Harold Fannin, who was a good player for Kevin Stefanski last year.
8:50Okay, Matt, I'm going to lead off with you on the next team.
8:53This is the New Orleans Saints. Okay. Because they're in a tough cycle right now where they not only start game slow, they start drive slow.
9:01And it can be fun and exciting and peak when it's third and 15 and they have this wonderful conversion.
9:07But that is not the world you want to live in.
9:10I don't really know what this team is supposed to do because their run game is just so brutal right now.
9:16They cannot get on track from a rush game perspective.
9:19That Alvin Kamara performance was one of the more shameful good fantasy games you're ever going to see.
9:24That's just disgusting because that was by no means a good performance from a running back.
9:29Obviously, he's still useful as a receiver. But I think this team is going to become even more of the bizarro version
9:35of itself, which is just really high pass rate.
9:38They're going to be dropping back a ton. They're going to run a ton of plays.
9:43So you can I mean, look at this. Look at this rushing chart.
9:47This is just ridiculous. Jerome Bettis ask. Seriously. Just what a funny end to Alvin Kamara's team time with this team.
9:53But anyways, yeah, I don't really know what they're supposed to do.
9:56I don't think they have a solution at the running back position.
10:00And they're dealing with offensive line injuries, which you can certainly feel when you get in these positions where Tyler Shuck is
10:06getting folded in half in very obvious past situations.
10:09That makes me nervous about him. But he's definitely willing to sit there and take a big hit.
10:14But this is going to consistently be a team that's in third and long situations.
10:18Their defense is problematic. To your point, Josh, there's they play super soft.
10:22They just allowed the Falcons to run all over him.
10:25So, yeah, I mean, I like a lot of elements of the passing game.
10:29But the fact that they cannot consistently get on base as a rushing team is going to put them in these positions
10:36where they have to kind of drop behind enemy lines and shoot their way out of problems.
10:40Their backup left tackle has a 15% pressure rate allowed, which is among the worst in the NFL.
10:46And Banks is not going to be back for a very, very long time.
10:50So with Alvin Kamara, he had 13.9 expected half PPR points.
10:53That makes him the RB8 last week. That was just on the seven carries.
10:57He was out there on the plays before those goal line attempts.
11:01So it's not like they were subbing him in.
11:03I do think that Kendra Miller could still be a factor in at the goal line.
11:08Kendra Miller did have a really inexcusable fumble in this one earlier in the game.
11:12But at the same time, Kamara is not playing in passing situations all the time.
11:17They still they're still using that CJ Donaldson kid on top of it.
11:20So I think he's going to be like a flex play because he's going to catch, you know, four or five passes
11:27just because how much they drop back. And he is a goal line option for them.
11:32But if you can sell high on Alvin Kamara with the state of their offensive line right now, I think that's probably
11:38the smart play, especially when they got the Minnesota Vikings.
11:41Like all these issues that we're talking about not being able to run the ball and then just all the pressure that
11:47they're under that just gets tripled when you're facing Minnesota.
11:50So I would say kind of sell high on Alvin Kamara and probably same thing for Juwan Johnson.
11:55But they still got Chris Olave, and I think that's going to keep him afloat.
12:00Yeah, I'm a bit nervous that this thing's going to spiral a little bit like Troy Aikman's comments released it out to
12:06me that quote brain and just doesn't have the answers for the Falcons offense.
12:10And I think he knew that when he talked to us earlier in the week.
12:15Now, Aikman tagged that by saying he didn't exactly say that to us, but maybe it was his tone or some of
12:21the words that he used or like, oh, man, we really missed those edge rushers and defensive linemen that are out.
12:27Yeah, I mean, if one, if you can't stop the run defensively, the NFL right now, that's the easy button, you know,
12:34and these teams are just going to run out the clock, long drives and then throw it over your head.
12:39And then on the opposite end, if you can't run the ball offensively and you get behind the chains and just anecdotally
12:46a low success rate team, while they are spectacular in third and 13 and third and 17 situations, you can't live there.
12:52Like you just can't do it. And on top of this, I don't want to jump to the end point, but Kellen
12:59Moore has now lost three straight to the Atlanta Falcons down there.
13:02Like that's their biggest rival. And that will quicken how long he has in New Orleans, you know, Matt.
13:08And so I don't want to put him on the clock already.
13:11But how this thing is going, it's kind of some unfixable problems they have at this moment.
13:16Luckily, I do think it's a good coaching staff that can solve some of these problems.
13:21And a guy like Donaldson might even end up playing more snaps because of his ability to pass protect, which even just
13:27underlines Hayden's point about Camara being a good sell high.
13:30I wonder if they do eventually get into more of these heavy personnel groups to try to account for the fact that
13:37they have all these offensive line injuries. And during Kellen Moore's time with the Cowboys, there were moments where they flirted with that.
13:43You just never really fully got into it because it's like the Mike McCarthy of it all, the Kellen Moore of it all.
13:50There was a lot of kind of multiple cooks in the kitchen there.
13:54I think it's a good staff. I think they're a smart group.
13:57I think they can probably try to troubleshoot this.
14:00But if they don't, man, it is going to continue to be just Chris Olave and Devon Valey.
14:05Like, can we talk about Valey for a second?
14:08He leads the NFL. He leads the NFL in routes this year.
14:11182 routes, which even if you stink, you're going to be like in fantasy consideration.
14:16If you're running 182 routes so far on the season, Chris Olave is number two.
14:20Bryce Lance is number seven. They tried to make Bryce Lance happen at times.
14:24And I don't even know if it was an intentional or they're just shuck is throwing it up and seeing what happens.
14:31But Valey is a pretty good player, man. I know he was an easy punchline because he was an older player and
14:37they traded a fourth round pick for him or whatever.
14:40But they've had a clear vision for him since he got there.
14:43He's a big slot type. He gives some effort in the run game.
14:47Solid zone beater, I would say, is Devon Valey.
14:50He knows the spots to settle down, especially can get some good leverage on outbreakers.
14:54But there's also times where it's just and again, this is going to continue to happen with the state of the offensive line.
15:01At least like three or so completions in this last game.
15:04Shuck hits the top of his drop back and just slant to Devon Valey right away.
15:09And some of those are, you know, press man coverage wins, too.
15:12Who it's the Falcons, you know, the DB, they got injuries in the DB room.
15:17But still, I think the Valey is a nice player that pretty much every time I'm going to log into my wide
15:23receiver rankings, I'm going to move him up to like wide receiver 30 or so.
15:27He's kind of a flex player at this point.
15:30The numbers are on him. He's the wide receiver 21 on wide receiver 13 usage this season.
15:35He was a full time player in week 12 last year.
15:38If you look at that split till now, he's a wide receiver 22.
15:42So that's a pretty big sample eight games where he's been very fantasy relevant.
15:46And it really is just like it's it's the amount of snaps that he's out there for the big catch radius does
15:53come into play like third and four. It's like like you said, Matt, like they'll throw it right at the numbers or right or right at the sticks.
16:01And he's a big body because I can kind of bang.
16:04And then also you have the big kind of toe tapping plays in the end zone over there.
16:09So I'm treating him as real until Jordan Tyson comes back and the reports make it seem like that's why I can be week nine.
16:16Yeah, week nine is what Adam Schefter alluded to.
16:19Again, he can come back sooner than that. But based on when their bye week is and how they slow played Jordan
16:25Tyson coming out of the draft process as well.
16:28You and I have always pointed to to week nine for that.
16:32So I guess, Matt, that leads me to this question.
16:35As Hayden said, he's around the wide receiver 21 right now.
16:38Is this a sell high window knowing that we have about four weeks left of him being, you know, the second wide receiver for this team?
16:45I'll caveat that by saying that the Saints are number two in the NFL in terms of utilizing 11 personnel around 74 percent of the time.
16:53Yeah, we're going to have to get closer to the Tyson news for me to consider him a sell high.
16:59And I think, you know, as we're seeing here, he's still weeks away.
17:03They have a week eight by the Vikings this week.
17:05There's going to be some opportunities to get those quick slants in his hand.
17:10And the Giants, we'll talk about Michael Wilson later.
17:12A lot of those type of moments for him to the Steelers run a lot of zones.
17:17So he'll have moments here. I think he's going to, like I said, every week wide receiver three that you can throw out there.
17:24And yeah, great point Hayden about the catch radius for him.
17:27He has 90th percentile arm length coming into the league, according to mock draftable.
17:31And you see that consistently. He catches the ball away from his frame, just real clean stuff.
17:36So I'm not going to call him a sell high for at least another three or so weeks here.
17:42Well, Hayden, can I ask you if Jawan Johnson is a sell high?
17:46I mean, the thing is, with maybe my pessimism about the trajectory of the Saints at this moment, maybe it's reactionary after
17:52last night, they still run so many damn plays that it doesn't matter.
17:56And all these guys get home and they're obviously very good at throwing the football.
18:00So they're all great fancy assets. But Jawan Johnson is the tight end four and he was drafted much closer to the tight end 20.
18:08Yeah, but he's the tight end five in expected points.
18:10He's been at least a tight end 14 in usage in all four games this season.
18:15So there's a floor at play. He's played 15 games with Tyler Shuck.
18:19He's averaging 10 half PPR points in those, which equates to tight end seven production.
18:23So I think the reality is no one is trading for Bayley and Jawan Johnson.
18:28So what you do is you just play them until we realize they should go to our bench.
18:33And that will probably happen in about week nine here.
18:36It's a carnival offense and we should take the dropbacks for what they are.
18:40And I think Jawan Johnson and Bayley are just underrated players on tape.
18:44And you have to be a real film sicko to understand that.
18:47And if you have them, you probably know that.
18:50And your other league mates probably don't. So I don't know what we could even trade these guys away for.
18:56Awesome points. Okay, if Jawan Johnson was the best value pick at tight end, Hayden, let's talk about the Carolina Panthers.
19:02Chuba Hubbard might just be the best value pick in all of fantasy football.
19:06He's a running back eight on the season through four weeks.
19:09The consistency is outrageous. Weeks of running back nine, 10, 12, and seven.
19:13So, so often we talk about the roller coaster at these positions and how you can get like running back 20 week and then running back five week.
19:21No, Hayden, this is a top 12 guy. Every game so far this year.
19:25Uh, teams that have Chuba Hubbard on them on Yahoo have won 56% of their games.
19:30Uh, no player drafted around him or after him has a higher winning percentage.
19:34He's been by far the best sleeper pick out there.
19:37I think he's one of the best picks. And to me, this one was, I think kind of easy to see coming.
19:43I don't think people realize that just two years ago, he was a top 15 running back on like really, really high usage.
19:50Last year, he got banged up, lost his job because of that, but did gain his job, uh, by the, the, the final game of the season.
19:58And the Panthers were showing some signs of life on offense.
20:01So I think those ones were going to ride this one to like a top 12 finish the rest of the season here.
20:08He's not going to come off the field very much.
20:11But to me, the big reason why Chuba Hubbard is all of a sudden smashing in fantasy is just because Bryce Young has been balling.
20:18Like it's, it's kind of as simple as that.
20:21The offensive line has been performing well with like a lot of kind of moving parts out there.
20:26Like I really hope Monroe Freeling is going to end up being all right.
20:30But like Bryce Young is just putting the ball right on the money.
20:34He's kind of found that sweet spot of like buying enough time, but not being reliant on that.
20:39So anticipation throws to the numbers right away. And then when you got T-Mac moving the chains, Jalen Coker moving the chains,
20:45like I find the Panthers offense to be pretty real.
20:48Uh, and I think that we're seeing like a much different version of Bryce Young.
20:53So credit to Chuba for like playing well, I think he's an underrated player, but this offense is rolling because of the
20:59quarterback right now in the top two pass catchers.
21:02Uh, and all of these guys are just going to be complete ballers in fantasy the rest of the year.
21:08Matt, I'm in like year five of doing this show with Hayden.
21:11Uh, if you told me three years ago, I would hear those words out of Hayden Winks his mouth.
21:17Uh, I, you would have told me I'm dreaming, you know?
21:20So Matt, that was poetic. I absolutely love it.
21:22We can all grow, right? We can all, uh, except Bryce Young can't grow any taller, but he can grow as a quarterback.
21:29Okay, guys. Okay, guys. We're back. We're back. I said, I said he can grow as a quarterback and he clearly has, you know?
21:36Um, also by the way, just not to, I'm not, I'm not taking anything away from Bryce Young, but over the course
21:43of Canalis' tenure here with the team, I've always really liked the design of the offense, but it always just felt like something was missing.
21:50Like there was just a, there was a, I know not, it's not, that's not perfect, Josh.
21:55Not perfect. But like, especially in the run game, I mean, you, you know, there's like Canalis is a run game sicko.
22:01They have Harold Goodwin on the staff and they run a really diverse run game.
22:06There's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of inside zone, outside zone.
22:09They'll do some crack toss stuff. It's a, and Chuba's just good at everything.
22:13Like he's just, even calling him a steady Eddie back feels disrespectful.
22:17So he can run all the concepts that you can put a ton on his plate, which is what they've done so far.
22:24Probably not changing anytime soon. Pass pro. He's just, he's good.
22:27Maybe Matt rules best draft pick. I don't know.
22:29Hard to say, uh, with the team, but, um, bringing up all the skeletons in the closet here tonight, Josh, his wife
22:36wanted to make that selection, by the way, that, that was his wife's pick.
22:40So not even his, but we can't even give Matt real credit for that.
22:44But yes, that's right. Uh, she, she did call that one in there, but no, I mean, to the, to the point
22:50though, Idzik has just pushed the right dials here to in the right directions.
22:55Uh, you're seeing a ton of stuff like downfield now it's to these big ass wide receivers on the outside, um, sale
23:01concepts, stuff over the middle of the field, getting Tedro McMillan committing to the slot with him too.
23:06And yeah, Bryce has just been great. I have, I have no negative notes, uh, on Bryce so far.
23:12He's been fantastic under pressure. Uh, and I've, I've always been like, not as Bryce positive as you, Josh.
23:17Like I haven't sent 10 tweets about him since Sunday, like you have, but, um, I definitely deserve more.
23:23It's way more than it's deserved. I'm undershooting it.
23:25I've, I've been Bryce positive, maybe not as positive as you, but like I've been open to Bryce.
23:31Okay. Well, we'll welcome you if you want. I mean, the barrier of entry is like three and a half tweets per day.
23:37If you want, um, look on the Brad's note here.
23:40So this has been the timeline of Bryce. Okay.
23:43The first year that was a disaster of a roster.
23:46I mean, I went back and looked at some of the depth charts that he had during his rookie season.
23:52If you just look at the week 13 game.
23:54So we're not even talking about like true end of season, like the heart of the year.
23:59Uh, five of those players are just totally out of the league, not by their choice.
24:04One is Adam Thielen. Two is Jonathan Mingo, who has seven catches since being traded.
24:08Ian Thomas has 24 catches in four seasons. And then you just have like DJ chart, Bradley Bozeman, Nash Jensen, Justin McRae, all these fools.
24:16Okay. And so after that, Dave Canales comes in and that is just to stabilize this situation.
24:21Okay. And sure. Bryce horrible in those first two weeks, there was no good tape out there, but they stabilized him once
24:27he was able to come back in and grow some confidence.
24:30But Matt, the point that you made to me, why I put more stock into what is happening in these four games than I do.
24:37Like the first two seasons of Bryce young is one, this offense is built for him and it's catered to him.
24:44And two, he's like finally surrounded by talent. Like that second season, it was still Adam Thielen.
24:49And then Deontay Johnson who quit on the team and refused to practice, you know?
24:53And so what we got towards the second half of last year, including the playoffs and including upsetting some big teams was
24:59Tedro McMillan, Jalen Coker, and some really good concepts.
25:02And what's been dialed up under Brad Edzik now is someone who was on the same page with his quarterback and is like pulling every level.
25:10Like every lever is out there for him to push the buttons for it.
25:14Like we always talk about certain teams and certain play callers being experts or masters in one thing.
25:19He's almost league average in just about everything, you know, in terms of personnel groupings, it's 14th, eighth and 12th from 11,
25:2512 and 13 shift in motion rate, right at league average, under center rate, right at league average, shotgun rate, empty rate,
25:32right at league average, basically three by one, two by two.
25:35That's 18th and seventh across the league. So it's showing, I think a lot of different looks out there, but running very similar concepts out of it.
25:43And to me, some of those offenses that do that are my favorites across the league.
25:47Yeah. Yeah. He's almost averaging like nine yards per throw.
25:50So they're pushing the ball down the field. Like that's a really high number.
25:54And that's, I think the best of Bryce. And when he's playing on time, making a decision pre-snap and just firing the
26:01ball, he's always been very accurate, you know, and the, the catch radius by his receivers is like doubled.
26:06And that's really helped him out. But I do think that a lot of this is just Bryce's growth as just feeling
26:13comfortable in the pocket and knowing when to buy some time and when to just throw it right away.
26:18So I think that there is an element of growth individually from him, but you know, it really helps when you have
26:25someone like Terry McMillen to throw the ball to the field.
26:28It kind of reminds me of the dynamic that Ben Johnson and Jared Goff had, where it's just, you feel these two
26:34guys are in sync play caller and quarterback. And again, Jared Goff is first overall pick Bryce Jones first overall pick, but
26:41I still think we'd all say they have some physical deficiencies and limitations, whether it comes to movement or for Bryce.
26:47Obviously we know what that is arm strength, the whole deal.
26:50But I mean, these two guys, just again, it's constantly in sync.
26:54So it's the same sort of, to your point, Josh balanced sound, well constructed offense, but you just got the guy now
27:00pushing the right levers and the right buttons here.
27:03So I, I, I'm really high on this. I think this is very sustainable.
27:07And I mean, yeah, you bring up the name DJ chart.
27:10I, it drove me crazy. It drove me crazy.
27:13You probably clearly crazier, Josh, but how many people are like, well, he runs a four three.
27:18I'm like, dude, he ran a four three a long time ago.
27:21He hadn't been around a four three in quite some time.
27:24Now they've got two guys who can legit play X receiver and Coker and McMillan, even if they do all the fun slot and move around stuff.
27:32So yeah, I'm, I'm buying Bryce young as a fantasy starter at the quarterback position.
27:37So, I mean, to me, it's pretty incredible that he has faced more quick, quick pressures than any other quarterback in the NFL.
27:43And he still leads the NFL in passing yards.
27:46He, you know, is first with 13 completions of 25 plus yards first with 55 completions of 10 plus yards.
27:52Like just imagine what he would look like if his offensive line gave him even more time, you know, gave him more space.
27:58Again, he is on an Island by himself in terms of passes and attempts that are from clean pockets.
28:04And it's the opposite direction of like what Michael Penix is doing.
28:07So hopefully that can improve as a season goes along.
28:10If maybe Taylor Moten comes back and they can move from a free lane back to left tackle or Damon Lewis comes back at left guard.
28:18They're dealing with all these injuries. So the bi-week comes at the right time.
28:22But I mean, this is a player who's on a freaking heater.
28:26Hayden, where would you rank Bryce young in terms of quarterbacks this year?
28:29Like for fantasy or real life, just in general, real life.
28:33I mean, both. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, he's been, I mean, without question, a top, a top five to 10 quarterback.
28:39I'm not sure if it's still sustainable like that, but yeah, I think this is the best.
28:44This is the best he's played, you know, by far.
28:47Yeah. I hope Jalen Coker comes back after the bye.
28:50Totally healthy. Cause that brings us to another level.
28:52Okay. Let's talk about the Detroit lions, their opposition on Sunday night, Matt.
28:56Sam Laporta is the tight end five on the season.
28:59I'm going to ask St. Brown is the wide receiver five.
29:02Jameer Gibbs at the running back one and Jamison Williams is the wide receiver 45.
29:07Is that going to sustain itself? You think I think JMO will go up after some more positive games, but it's, you
29:13know, it's always going to be a roller coaster.
29:16He's sixth in routes. I'm on our St. Brown is tied with Terry McMillan for fourth in routes.
29:21This is another team that I think is just going to have to lean extremely pass heavy because of their defense and
29:27just the state of the roster right now. I actually wonder how many more remember when Jameer Gibbs had like 30 plus touches in, in week one.
29:35I wonder how many more of those games are, are on our, on our radar.
29:40Just because I don't know if they're going to be able to consistently establish a rushing game.
29:45Um, at this point of the proceedings, because they're just going to be constantly behind the sticks.
29:50I think the offensive line has been, would you say it's been a league average unit so far?
29:55I I'm not totally sure if I would say that, uh, to date.
29:59So yeah, I think we know what the line.
30:01Yeah, I would say probably not the lions. Uh, we know what they are in terms of their metronomes are Laporta and
30:08to a greater degree, Amon Ross St. Brown. You're going to ride some variants with Jamison Williams.
30:13And I was at least encouraging to see Isaac Tesla get into the mix because it just gives them.
30:18I know it's another mouth to feed for fantasy, which is annoying, but does allow them to at least, uh, get another
30:25vertical element in there to clear space. So maybe JMO can run some of those quicker crossers because that hasn't really happened quite yet.
30:32Last week, JMO was the wide receiver 19 wide receiver 20 usage.
30:35Um, there was like three comeback routes for, for, uh, for receptions.
30:39He had a screen, a quick out, and then that huge Jared Goff, uh, pass going into halftime.
30:44That was an absolute, uh, perfectly placed ball there.
30:46So I thought he was more involved on like, you know, it wasn't all just downfield routes, uh, for him.
30:52Like obviously a large part, part of that will be, uh, downfield, but he's like staying in the mix.
30:58Like there's no way that he's going to be this bad.
31:01Um, he's the wide receiver 33 and usage and he's performed way worse than that.
31:05And he's, he's somebody that's typically a model dunker.
31:08So, and this is not the week to have any negative Jameson Williams takes at all.
31:13It's lions versus Cardinals. Neither team has made a stop the entire year and both offenses are able to put 30 points on the board.
31:20So this is a start everybody week. Uh, and that includes Jameson Williams.
31:24Yeah. I mean, he faced off against the Caleb Evans on almost every single one of his targets.
31:29It felt like, and maybe he's getting his clone against the Arizona Cardinals this week, too.
31:34So it feels like maybe we can equal what Jameson Williams put out there last week.
31:38I honestly don't have that many notes here about the lions.
31:42Cause you're, you're starting everyone else. I will say with Brad Holmes, he was on a heater when it came to building
31:48the roster and kind of going against consensus and all this type of stuff.
31:52They are going to get Brian branch and Cade Mays back.
31:55Hopefully somewhat soon. They've opened their practice windows and those are two necessary players at safety and at center.
32:01Um, I will say with the secondary, I think Brad Holmes has had some rotten luck here.
32:06Like Brian branch being injured, obviously Kirby Joseph and his career might be over.
32:10Those were two impactful starters for you at the safety spot.
32:13And then, you know, I don't think Brad Holmes could have predicted that Terry and Arnold would get caught up in an alleged kidnapping.
32:20Uh, and you know, his career go down the drain too.
32:23So like, those are three linchpins of your defensive back groups, three of the five or three of the four.
32:29And, uh, Matt, they haven't played a single snap for you this season.
32:33They cannot pass routes off in zone coverage either.
32:36It's so bad. Like just the communication, because they want to be a man coverage heavy team, but they, they do not
32:42have the talent for that at this point. So they're just completely lost in the wilderness from a secondary standpoint.
32:48But yeah, you consistently see guys, there's no communication on the backend.
32:51It's like, you're supposed to be here. It's just the passing off the routes is going to be a huge issue.
32:57So, uh, yeah, this is, as Hayden said, a get everybody in the pool, uh, type of game here.
33:03Lions and Cardinals. Josh, I got one quick note on Sam Laporta.
33:06Uh, last week, 23.6 expected half PPR points were the most by a tight end the entire season.
33:12He's the tight end three in usage on the entire season.
33:15They're dropping back like crazy. We know he's a good football player.
33:18And what was unique about him is down in the red zone, they were doing three by one sets where he was
33:25the isolated receiver on the right side. And they were throwing the ball to him.
33:29There was a fourth and five in cut for a first, first read first down as well.
33:34Um, so they're, they're using him a lot differently than a lot of the other tight ends out there.
33:40And like, this is an offense that's consistently worth our 30 points per game, uh, in terms of team total.
33:46So, you know, I think he versus like George Kittle for tight end three, the rest of the season.
33:51To me, that's a very live. And I think that he was one of the best picks you could be making as
33:57all the wide receivers and running backs kind of busted in that kind of like round six to round eight range.
34:04I think that Sam Laporta is like the guy that's kind of sticking out over everybody else.
34:09Oh, I love it. Hey, you know, we talked about all summer long.
34:12I put out way too many tweets on that, that this is the North Turner, Kevin Stefanski, Drew Petsing tree, right?
34:18And the two quarterbacks that are three, I should say that targeted tight ends the most over the last two seasons were Drew Petsing and Kevin Stefanski's quarterbacks.
34:27So it's not surprising at all to me that, uh, obviously Sam Laporta is getting involved here and hopefully it's more and
34:33more or just steady at this same exact point.
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35:18The crown is yours. Let's talk to Arizona Cardinals.
35:21Hey, there's only one place to start. This is Jeremiah love.
35:24We know in the opening two games, 32 and 30 snaps, then the 55, we were whole all expecting, you know, and
35:31hoping for, uh, and thought that that would continue now drops down to 30 snaps and barely played and actually didn't in
35:37the final 10 minutes of this game. What'd you see?
35:40Well, unfortunately late in the game, there was a handoff of 11 minutes remaining and his right ankle got trapped underneath him.
35:46He played the next snap. First of all, he would lay on the ground, like just punching the ground.
35:52And then the next snap before the play had, they were in shotgun and he was just kicking his right leg around,
35:58like trying to get it like loose, I guess.
36:01And then he ran out to the flats with like barely move.
36:04And that was his last snap of the game.
36:07And then we had the comments after the game saying like, oh, this is the longest year of my life, which by the way, awesome life.
36:15He's living. You go third overall. This is the worst it's going to get a shout out to Jeremiah love, I guess.
36:21But, uh, that's his right ankle. The preseason was the left ankle and I didn't like the way it looked.
36:27So no one's really talking about Tyler Algier as a waiver wire candidate, but I would not be surprised if he has to miss this game.
36:34Now you just never know because we're not going to get the injury reports until waivers have already cleared.
36:40But I did not like the way he got rolled up on and I did not like the way that he looked on the play after that.
36:48And I didn't like his comments on top of that.
36:51I thought before the, his injury, he didn't look quite as good as he did.
36:55Um, like, like I was in week one, week two, a couple of spin moves out there, but I think there's a
37:01couple of times turning the corner where he was like not fully himself.
37:05And then this is a new injury on top of it.
37:08So frustrating for Jeremiah love here. Uh, but I, I do have some worries maybe more than others about week five.
37:15We're way too just, um, I don't know, maybe myopic is the right way to say it when we talk about player
37:21injuries and when they're coming back from stuff that it's just this consistent ramp up.
37:25Uh, we'll talk about actually with our next team too, but sometimes it's ups and downs, ups and downs until they can get fully back.
37:33And I kind of feel like that's how it's been with Jeremiah love.
37:36Cause yeah, I watched that game back on tape, obviously.
37:39And it just, it didn't look quite the same to me, uh, just overall, especially once we get to the late portion here.
37:46And it's been pretty clear also that this team is not going to view this Jeremiah love situation in maybe a rational
37:53way or the way that we expect where it's, Hey, we took this guy third overall.
37:57We're going to give him as much work as possible.
38:00They're almost thinking about his longterm career here in a, in a way, I think with the way he's talked about it,
38:07you know, he's an, and he's a very like, we'll just call it like straight up honest guy with how he's with how he speaks.
38:14Now he communicates. It strikes me as honestly, pretty similar to the Roma dunes a thing when he talked about like, this
38:20is my new normal and everybody freaked out about it.
38:23And I think there's part of that was he, as he talks about the preservation part of it, but yeah, it's a
38:30good point about Al's year, a perfectly solid NFL back.
38:32Like if they have to get through a week or two with him, I think they're, I think they're probably fine with that.
38:39Yeah. Yeah. Hey, and you've talked about it a lot in the past that maybe this new wave of athlete is a
38:46bit more open about their injuries and maybe what they're feeling and how they're feeling and all that type of stuff.
38:52That's exactly what stood out to me, Matt, after the game, the quote, I didn't go out there and get hurt anything today.
38:58He it's about managing that workload. They keep an eye on me and manage me, keep me up and I can finish
39:05the season to your point, Matt, like when we get 26 touches in week three for the third overall pick, we think,
39:11dang, the least we're going to get is 19, 20 in any other game of the season.
39:16And when he drops down to 14, that's frustrating.
39:19But then it kind of tells you maybe the mindset, unless there is like a big injury, like you're talking about potentially Hayden.
39:26Yeah. I mean, 1030 left in the game. There's, there's a long time to go.
39:30And then that final 13 play draft to potentially win the game.
39:33There were multiple occasions when Tyler Algier could have come out and there were four plays at the goal line, Hayden, that
39:40if they wanted to get Jeremiah Love in the game, they simply did not.
39:44So that just whole situation stood out to me like it stood out to you.
39:48Yeah. I'm guessing it's injury related. So we'll, we'll, we'll figure that part out.
39:52Um, I think, uh, the other big thing is they lost Paris Johnson for the season with the torn biceps, you know,
39:59like chase Bessantis was a second rounder. Like I thought that the Cardinals offensive line was like largely kind of hanging in
40:05there, but you know, like you can't lose your star left tackle.
40:09Like that's probably, that might be the most valuable player on their entire team.
40:13Um, and he's, he's not going to be out there for the rest of the season.
40:17So I think like, that's another reason to kind of dock everybody.
40:21Um, at the same time, Matt, the, the Michael Wilson film, I think has been really, really awesome.
40:26Uh, as well, he had that great route at the top of his break, uh, for the big sideline catch.
40:32Um, and then just to show like how important he is, there was, uh, late in the game, they're down six points.
40:38It's there at the five yard line, they targeted Michael Wilson on the first down, the second down and the fourth down all in a row.
40:46Did it work? It didn't work. None of them.
40:49None of them worked, but the fact that they threw in the ball three of the four, uh, times with the game
40:55on the line, just kind of shows you how important Michael Wilson is.
40:59Yeah. He kind of got smoked on the, um, it was the pick six, uh, the route against press man coverage against
41:05Deontay banks, which is maybe not what you want to see, but yeah, the outcut the 24 yard, uh, sale off play action.
41:12That was great. Uh, that that's what he does really well at the top of the routes on the breaks there.
41:18I also think what's been interesting too, is this, I thought this Cardinals team would be very heavy and condensed.
41:24Their rate of heavy plays is actually down this year.
41:27They're pretty spread out. I'd be curious to know their average formation with, because I would, again, I would have thought this is a Rams offense.
41:34That's going to be very condensed, very tight. They've actually really spread it out, which might have to do with just what Jacoby reset wants.
41:42I don't know if they're going to be able to continue to get away with that without Paris Johnson.
41:47Cause Brissette is a pocket sloth and just wants to get the ball out really quick.
41:52He's Brissette is turning down a few too many open throws down the field for my liking, but that's Jacoby reset.
41:58That's what you're, that's what you're going to do.
42:01Um, at this point, but yeah, I did note too, about Michael Wilson to me.
42:05I think, yes, he can do all of the insert stuff, get him detached and, and, you know, run corner routes through
42:12the, through the sea gap and all of that fun stuff.
42:15But he's, I think at his best when you can just stick him outside on ball and let him win against press man coverage.
42:22And because they do spread the field with three eligible receivers, you can have Marv as an X on one side.
42:28Michael Wilson is an outside on ball player with, you know, Kendrick Bourne in the slot and a Trey McBride as a detached player.
42:35So they're doing a lot to cater specifically to Michael Wilson, 30 targets or so over the last two games combined for
42:41a guy that gave an extension to. It makes a lot of sense.
42:45Matt, the Cardinals are 32nd in total explosive play rate, uh, 32nd in rushing and 32nd in passing.
42:50Is that a LaFleur thing? Is that a Jacoby reset thing?
42:54Uh, they're too talented for, to rank that low in both categories.
42:57Yeah. I, like I said, I think there are some downfield throws that percent is just kind of turning down and, and
43:03opting for the safe throws, which, you know, it's fine.
43:06That's why they keep the train on the tracks.
43:09But I do think the coaching staff is going to keep looking at this and saying, Hey, there's a lot that we're leaving on the bone.
43:17I don't know if that's Carson Beck time at some point.
43:20It probably will be. I don't know if he's going to be better at that, but, uh, yeah, I think it's not all Brissette.
43:27There are some other issues there too. It still feels like we're not totally in sync as an offense just yet, but
43:33you know, this is, they all start with this.
43:36Like Trey McBride is really good at those underneath routes, the stick stuff.
43:40And then Michael Wilson can run these quick slants and stop routes, which again, they lean into more because of his current deployment.
43:46So I, it's part of like, that's what their two best players do.
43:50Uh, and then it's Marv on the longer slow developing route.
43:53Do you, do either of you guys have the stones to start Marv against the lions defense?
43:58I picked Marvin Harrison up in the expert league.
44:01I can guarantee it. I'm starting in the expert league, uh, because of some bi-weeks and injuries that I've been going through.
44:07Um, what a wild game it was for Marv this last game.
44:11I mean, I'm, I'm here for the rollercoaster last week's rollercoaster was pretty insane.
44:15And obviously had that like nice ball tracking fade touchdown.
44:18He did draw two defensive pass interference, one like near the goal line, one actually in the end zone.
44:23Yeah. Uh, so that, those were nice moments for him.
44:26Uh, and then at the same time, like he also got, you know, I think pretty bodied on that little, uh, quick
44:33slant, uh, in the end zone as well. But that was a lot of involvement near the end zone.
44:38And I think if you're going to be trying to maximize Marvin Harrison, I think they realize what they have with him.
44:45He's like, he needs to do like a Deandre Hopkins kind of impression, like a late career Deandre Hopkins impression and kind
44:51of winning contested catch moments, get at the top of your route and make a quick cut.
44:56I don't think there's gonna be like long-term separation from him.
44:59So I do think in the red area, especially if they can't run the ball, uh, I do think that Marv's just
45:06going to have some like opportunities down in the red zone.
45:09So, you know, I, I would understand picking him up ahead of this matchup because I think this could be his best, uh, game of the season.
45:17Yeah. The, the spreadsheets say again, that the Cardinals are the least explosive offense and that the lions are the defense.
45:23That's worst at preventing explosives. So we'll see what wins here and we've got to give in this rock fight.
45:29Okay. New York giants are up next. Matt, I care most about Malik neighbors.
45:33Uh, this is the player that you were referring to in terms of coming back from injury that we've had some ups and some downs.
45:40What was this game? Yeah, this was obviously an up moment for Malik neighbors.
45:44And I felt like an idiot, uh, talking about concerns on last week's stats versus film.
45:49Even just watching him on Sunday, I'm like, yeah, he looks, he looks great.
45:53And this is where it's going to be for a guy like this, where it's the ups and the downs.
45:59He's even talked about this. Some of it's mental too.
46:02Cause I thought week one, I would probably give it a, a B relative to context.
46:06If we're talking about the film, uh, I would say then the Titans game before that was definitely, well, definitely a lower
46:13graded game than a B if we're ballparking it.
46:15This I thought was the best he's looked all season, especially getting separation on the downfield stuff.
46:20And even just also, even when he, I mean the, the one catch, like he's doesn't even have a ton of separation
46:27there, but he just dunks on the corner. Cause he's Malik neighbors and he can do that stuff.
46:32I still don't think Jameis looks any good either.
46:35He looks horrible. He looks horrible. Um, but still neighbors is giving you both, uh, the separation moments and also the wide catch radius.
46:42So I thought for sure, this is the best I've seen from him so far this season.
46:47Yeah, totally agree. That like circus route that you see on the left side there, that was an awesome route by him.
46:53And then there was a little hitch route where he broke two tackles.
46:57And I think that was also a fairly encouraging, but on the Jameis front, I think we can be honest about, you
47:03know, that, that was a lollipop that he threw to, uh, to Malik neighbors catch so bad.
47:08It was up in the air for three seconds.
47:11It was a punt. It was a punt. That was as high as I seen a pass.
47:16Uh, and I just thought there was other moments like Isaiah likely throwing the ball into coverage or just missing by Isaiah likely by like five yards.
47:24There was, I think some really wonky decision-making and obviously James like never going to be a creator like out of structure.
47:30So, you know, it was good that these guys got home, like likely got a bunch of targets.
47:35He, he, uh, held the line there. Obviously the best Malik neighbors performance of the season.
47:40Um, so James and James is going to give his guys chances, but I can't say that the ball is leaving his
47:46hands with a lot of confidence or momentum. Um, so that makes me nervous.
47:50I'll take it up a level. His arm is shot.
47:53His arm is done. And on top of this, he plays too late.
47:57He was out of rhythm. He was waiting a tick too long.
48:01And then with his arm strength being down that led to past breakups and the inaccuracy, the bad placement also destroyed some yards at the catch moments.
48:09He escaped some sacks. I don't think he's going to be escaping those all season long.
48:13They face the Arizona Cardinals who are 31st in terms of allowing explosive plays.
48:17A better defense would have made James Winston look a lot worse in this game.
48:22So that gives me confidence. Like I saw the box score.
48:25It looked like we got our old James back.
48:27We kind of did in terms of the areas of where he was throwing the football.
48:32But Matt, like this does not leave me with confidence that this styling of an offense that sure on paper is air it out.
48:39James is going to work against average and especially not good defenses.
48:43And it still leads me to the point that we're going to see JJ McCarthy starts this year, whether you like it or not.
48:50Yeah. Mentally prepare yourself for that. Spiritually prepare yourself for that because that is definitely coming.
48:54And there was another play in this game, too, where, you know, Jameis, because you said he's going to give guys chances.
49:01He's going to live by the sword. He's going to die by the sword where he throws it up there.
49:07Malik neighbors comes down hard on that shoulder. I thought, oh, boy, here we go.
49:11That's still going to be lingering in the back of my mind that at some point that he could just get to
49:17a point where he needs to get surgery on that thing.
49:21If the Giants are bad enough, the good news is they're they're three and one.
49:25You know, they're there. As long as they keep winning, that's going to keep Malik neighbors out there.
49:30The Giants run game, by the way, not good at all.
49:3332nd in the average of the efficiency metrics. If you look at like explosive run rates, success rate, EPA, just on running back runs.
49:40So Cam Scadaboo has got to continue to score touchdowns to be in the fantasy lineups because it's the run game has been disappointing to me so far.
49:49I thought it would be a little bit better than that.
49:52I thought Cam Scadaboo had a really bad game, just like not finding the right holes on tape.
49:57There's a couple like unblocked guys that were hitting him as well.
50:00He always seeks contact. That's what that's what it is.
50:03It was a wild game, though, that Najee Harris was getting snaps early in the game.
50:08And then Najee Harris has a fumble in the game.
50:11And then they don't go back to him. He was benched for the last like 10 minutes.
50:16But Najee Harris also had a moment where Scadaboo is on the field as a touchdown to Theo Johnson.
50:21They're going for two and they sub Najee Harris in for that.
50:25So that's not what you want to see for Cam Scadaboo, that they're choosing to sub Najee Harrison, who ran the ball in for that two point conversion.
50:33So that makes me nervous. And then you have the Najee Harris fumbles and he's benched the rest of the game.
50:39So like as I go into week five here, what the exact Cam Scadaboo Najee Harris split is, is like, I think a total mystery.
50:47But I'm starting to view Cam Scadaboo closer like, you know, running back 25 than running back like 16, where I thought
50:53for a second there like we might like backdoor way into like too much volume.
50:57Now I feel like a little bit more suspect of that.
51:01I mean, he is the definition of a roller coaster at the running back spot.
51:05His week so far running back 15, then running back 31 against the Rams, running back 17, then running back 35 against the Cardinals.
51:12Hayden, now he gets the Washington Commanders who have been somewhat tough stopping the run because of Durante Jones and how he, you know, muddies the fronts.
51:20This is the New Orleans Saints. So I think we can pick our spots here a little bit and the Houston Texans after that.
51:27So again, I think this might be a bit straightforward in how to play Cam Scadaboo in your fantasy lineups.
51:33Okay. New at the Patriots are next. Again, tale of three games and then one, especially for Drake May.
51:38I mean, Hayden, he opened the season as quarterback 23, 25, 32, and then finishes week four as quarterback one.
51:44So overall is, you know, the problem solved. Like what, what worked here for Drake May and the Patriots passing offense?
51:50First of all, Drake may played much better in that he was running around like on time, which he typically does.
51:56And then he just made more throws in this one.
51:59The, and then he got more support from his past catchers as well.
52:03Romeo Dobbs made a couple awesome plays at the catch point, including on his skinny post, one handed fade route for a touchdown.
52:10Uh, at when Efton Chisholm is making one handed plays 25 yards down the field for touchdowns.
52:15That's when, you know, things are looking a little bit better.
52:18I will say there's still just some issues from the Patriots offense, just watching them.
52:22I thought individually, the offensive line didn't play that well, including the backup right guard.
52:27It seems like they're still kind of not fully hiding Will Campbell, but they're definitely making sure Will Campbell's not completely left on islands.
52:34And there were some times where I thought May was under pressure a little bit.
52:38You still have like the, the Drake may throws the ball low that gets batted up for, uh, for an interception to, to Romeo Dobbs there.
52:46So it was not a perfect game, but when you can rush for 54 yards per game and your guys start making
52:52plays like that was like the difference in this one.
52:55So I would not say fixed. We're not back for Drake may, uh, but at least, you know, like Romeo Dobbs, like
53:01being out there for full-time snaps and like running a couple more in breaking routes here than he was early in the season.
53:08I think that was probably the most encouraging part, uh, heading into week five.
53:12Yeah. You've got the one vertical shot for Dobbs who still, even in this game ran a go route on 27% of
53:19his routes, which that's just the way this offense is Hayden.
53:22It's very static. It's, they don't do a lot of, uh, eye candy.
53:26They don't put defenders in conflict. It's nothing is just disgusting.
53:29It's just very kind of middle of the road.
53:31I think this is a bad team beater offense.
53:34You know, when, and you look at the schedule so far, Seahawks, they get crushed pay, uh, Steelers, they win 20 to
53:40three, but I mean, they're not a good, they're not a good offense in that game.
53:45Jacksonville week three is low key, a really good defense.
53:48Uh, and the bills might be a low key, bad defense, uh, here in week four.
53:53So it kind of follows the trend and then they get the Raiders, the jets, the bears, which might be a better defense than we think.
54:00And then the, the dolphins in week eight. So it kind of feels to me, that's how you pick your spots, uh,
54:07with the, with the Patriots offenses, good, bad defenses.
54:09I think they have enough to put those teams in a bind, but the good defenses, especially when you get some of
54:16these like quarters coverages, they don't, they don't really threaten you consistently there, but definitely nice to see Romeo Dobbs have some
54:22of the outcuts where he was really, really productive, uh, with the Packers in 2025.
54:26That's where you kind of want to use him.
54:29So hopefully they're, they're gaining some grasp of the personnel.
54:32And I mean, I know, I don't mean to be mean, but Matt Collins, you know, maybe not being on the field
54:38for the next few weeks, I think actually might be a net positive for the offense.
54:43I've also kind of forgotten that AJ Brown will eventually come back.
54:47I mean, who knows what he's going to be, you know, off this high ankle sprain and all of that stuff.
54:53But I do wonder, like you said, Matt, in the next three, four weeks where it's the bears and the dolphins and
54:59the Packers, like the dolphins and Packers defenses, you can throw all over them.
55:03So, uh, lines, this is yes. I mean, and, and the schedule team might, you know, get the schedule coming up here.
55:10Yeah. Let's put it that way. Yeah. Romeo Dobbs, I thought played really well against Maxwell Harrison.
55:15Who's kind of on my radar. Yes. The quarterback spot and a lot of it on offensive coordinators radars.
55:20That's for sure. Hey, any closing thoughts on the running back spot before we need to move on?
55:25I think the answer is you didn't want either of them.
55:29You know, if one of them gets hurt, then you're going to be just fine here.
55:33But Ramondre Stevenson, uh, was the RB 22 and usage last week.
55:37He's been the RB 35 and usage in the three games with, uh, with Travion Henderson.
55:41It's like, that's not really moving the needle. And then Travion has been the running back 44 usage this season.
55:47If you include the 21 games with Ramondre Stevenson, including last year, he's the running back 49 and usage.
55:53Like he he's been this close to hitting some big plays.
55:56I think they're using him a little bit better, uh, now, but like neither of them are getting enough volume for like to be must starts right now.
56:04I think that you have to just take the goal line usage at face value for Ramondre and rank them higher, but,
56:11uh, neither of them are going to be good.
56:13Fifth, six, seventh round picks. I'm seeing that, uh, Doug Kayad has covered the team forever said that, um, Jamal Williams worked out for the team today.
56:21So that's where they're at, at the running back position.
56:24Shout out Doug's the man, by the way. Yeah.
56:27I mean, this is almost similar to the Denver Broncos.
56:30I'll be it. Like the talents are a level above, I think, but it's kind of the same thing.
56:35It has to be one of them in order for one of them to be fancy relevant.
56:40Okay. Let's talk Minnesota Vikings and Hey, and I'm going to send this one right back to you.
56:45I talked about it on Sunday night, but we're through four games, you know what?
56:50Seven quarters of Kyler Murray playing football and therefore no.
56:53And yet I can't tell you if the passing game is actually going to get figured out.
56:58Hayden, what'd you see on the tape in the all 22 of Kyler Murray?
57:02If you look comfortable or not in this offense.
57:04I thought there was a couple turndowns. There was one to Jordan Addison on the big dig route.
57:10Um, and these kinds of intermediate to deep past past concepts for the Vikings.
57:14It there's really nowhere else to go. Like they're going to have a lot of people in protection.
57:19They're going to have two guys in the route.
57:21And if you don't turn or if you don't, if you turn down that throw, then like, that's going to be a sack.
57:28So there was one moment of that. Jordan Addison also, he actually did throw this one.
57:33Um, but this one was a little bit high that goes kind of incomplete.
57:37There was still enough with, you know, like the, there's a big, uh, catch on the sideline for Jordan Addison.
57:43Uh, that I think that they're going to be just fine.
57:46Um, but there's also like individual reps where Jordan Addison just getting shoved off of his route and like Kyler Murray staring
57:52at him and like the play is just kind of over after that as well.
57:57So I think some of this falls on Kyler.
57:59I think some of this did fall on, uh, Jordan Addison at times or the couple, um, errors I thought from the offensive line.
58:06But the, the way that they moved the ball in this last game was just like quick throws to TJ Hawkinson where
58:13he didn't have to read things out. It was just like, all right, a little hitch to TJ Hawkinson or like a
58:19scene pass where you're not like reading out a defense.
58:22You're just like, there's the scene ball. I'm just going to throw this like pre-snap.
58:27It was a lot more of that than kind of like, you know, anticipate, anticipatory throws, uh, deep and over the middle.
58:33This is like the worst version of what you would think it was going to be.
58:38Uh, honestly, I mean, everything, everything Hayden described there.
58:40I saw the exact same on tape. It says, then this is what, this is what Kyler was the last two years
58:47in Arizona is that there were open throws down the field.
58:50He turned, he turns them down. And then at the Addison part of it too, this is who Jordan Addison is.
58:56This is who he's always, he's going to get pushed off his spot.
59:00He's he's small and he's not an elite technician.
59:02So obviously having Justin Jefferson helps things, but I mean, this is against the damn dolphins defense and we're still having the worst impulses of both players.
59:10That is really problematic. So, I mean, I honestly could see TJ Hawkinson continuing to be a scam production again this week.
59:17If there's no Justin Jefferson and, um, they got to buy in week six, you would think that they could hold out Jefferson again.
59:24And, you know, it's just going to be peppering a lot of those stick concepts to TJ.
59:29Hawkinson, but in this offense, yeah, there's not a lot of options out in the route.
59:33There's not a lot of consistent check downs, which is a, I think like a slight to maybe even beyond slight critique to Kevin O'Connell's offense.
59:41So it's like the worst impulses of the KOC offense is the worst impulses of the quarterback.
59:46And obviously again, no, no, just Jefferson, but the worst impulses of the current wide receiver one all combined to make this.
59:52I would call it a really bad offensive performance in week four.
59:56Well, but this is the fancy football conundrum because the schedule is ever in the Vikings passing offense favor.
60:01Okay. And rushing. I mean, Aaron Jones, take a break just when you need it.
60:06Uh, it's the saints and then the bi-week then the Colts.
60:09And we've seen what sauce Gardner has been putting out there.
60:12Uh, the Detroit lions. And then the Buffalo bills who we just spoke about, like, these are all defenses that cohesive and good offenses should figure out.
60:20So again, they have a bit of a longer leash here because they are for no, and they can hopefully figure it out.
60:27And they have, you know, the two weeks that Kyler Murray missed and all this type of stuff.
60:32But Hayden, if you know, we didn't see it.
60:35And again, we're only going by two series in the first quarter, but it's not like.
60:39Kyler Murray joined a week before the season started, right?
60:42This was all of training camp that they had together.
60:45So if he's not comfortable in it now, I am a bit concerned if he's ever going to be feel comfortable in
60:51it because he's kind of just regressing into the same bad tendencies.
60:55That he had in terms of like turning down and, and playing hokey poke in the backfield.
61:00And I almost wish that like TJ Hawkinson wasn't as open as he was because that was just an easy button that
61:06he knew was the outlet versus being able to actually being forced to read out the field.
61:11I think we're going to just reach a middle ground between this conversation versus by the end of the season when Justin
61:18Jefferson's the primary and like we're reducing some of these Jordan Addison kind of like first read targets.
61:23And then also at the same time, like Kyler was out there, but he was, you know, splitting reps for a large part of the offseason as well.
61:31And he spoke that he was frustrated about that.
61:34But yeah, I think that, you know, Sam Donald had some issues in this offense at times and they found explosives.
61:40I think that Kyler Murray will have some games where he's going to find some explosives out there.
61:45And then you're gonna have to live with some of the critiques that we're talking about that are very real.
61:51But I think those become less exaggerated with more time on task and with Justin Jefferson in the lineup.
61:56They're just effed without Jordan Jeff. I mean, without Justin Jefferson.
62:00I mean, John Jennings, 100% route participation does not existent.
62:03He's been targeted on 4.4%. It's 4.4% of his routes among guys that have run around on 50% of their team dropbacks.
62:09That is dead last by a lot. Bryce Lance is like doubling up his targets per route run.
62:14So tough. Yeah, I saw Lombardi say that the 49ers should trade for John Jennings and get him back in the building.
62:21What's the point? You know, not watching. I'd rather play all those.
62:24Only he's only watching the Brock Purdy tape. So yeah.
62:27I do want to point out that Brock Purdy.
62:30Yeah, there you go. Yeah. The Vikings, the Vikings did lose their left guard in Donovan Jackson.
62:35He's going to injured reserve. And then the running game.
62:38Yeah. I mean, it's Aaron Jones just play after play after play after play.
62:42All right. Let's talk about the Tennessee Titans. And Matt, I wanted to send it to you first because Colonel Tate finally saw production on the season.
62:50He was the wide receiver 11 on the week.
62:52I heard someone mentioned this, that the only rookie receivers with a higher target share through the opening four weeks have been
62:59like Puka Nakua and Jamar Chase and like some of the best wide receivers in the league.
63:04Now, I think that shows kind of the difference between target share and, you know, actually good offenses and actual fancy points.
63:10But that's, you know, in my underlying metrics league, at least that paid off.
63:14Yeah, that's great. I will say for a game where he fumbled and I would say I know he was charted with two drops.
63:21I would say one of them was definitely a drop.
63:24The other is I put some responsibility on Cam Ward for that one.
63:28Yeah, I wouldn't chart that as a drop. Other places can do whatever they want with it.
63:33But yeah, again, with all that being said, I thought this was a really strong game for Carnell Tate.
63:38You saw the separation skills. I think he settles in zones well.
63:42He gets open at all three levels. And the great part for him is that I've done two games on his so
63:48far, and he's not just the static X of the offense.
63:51He's been off ball at about 38%. They will move him around.
63:55They'll get him in these looks here. Just really clean, crisp stuff at the top of the routes for Tate.
64:01So it's definitely not perfect by any means. I think this offense sucks.
64:05I don't like watching it. I think the quarterback is still shaky.
64:08But to be nice. And then for Carnell Tate, too, speaking of shaky quarterback, he's been pretty good at uncovering when Cam Ward gets into chaos mode.
64:16And then it's just like, can Cam Ward get that ball down the field to Carnell Tate?
64:21That is the question here. So I'm definitely it's on my radar this week about them going against the Texans where we saw CeeDee Lamb cut them up.
64:29Like, could this be a Wondale Robinson scam week?
64:32But for the fact that they've at least got Tate some of these off ball movement reps, I think that's encouraging for
64:38him and to maybe have a good week this week again.
64:41Definitely encouraging. 29% target share is a really high number on the season for Carnell Tate.
64:46And I noticed the same thing on the out of structure stuff where it was that was kind of the best moments
64:52from from Cam Ward in this one. And the key to that is to run the opposite direction.
64:58That's all of Cam Ward's like best throws throughout his entire NFL career.
65:01He's been moving one way and then he's throwing it to the receiver, moving the other way.
65:06That's what happened with Carnell Tate on this play as well.
65:10All 12 of his targets were five yards or are deeper down the field.
65:14They're not going to even manufacture touches. I think that's why his stats are going to be really up and down.
65:20I think kind of watching him, he's kind of like the guy that we were like, you know, maybe hoping Marvin Harrison
65:26can kind of turn into where he's going to be like primarily kind of the X receiver, but not all the time.
65:33You can move him around. He's not super explosive on tape, but he's fluid and big and I think could run all the routes on the route tree.
65:41So I'm seeing positive signs from Carnell Tate individually.
65:43And then at the same time, Cam Ward made a couple more nice throws in this one.
65:48But the consistency in terms of the accuracy, getting the ball out on time and stuff, I think is still just not there for Cam Ward.
65:56There's a stat. JJ has it. Malik neighbors, Drake, London, Pukunuku are the only wide receivers since 2016 to have a higher target share through four games.
66:04But again, target share doesn't necessarily get you fancy points.
66:07You know, I turned on this game just yeah, just to see this offense because of the production that he had.
66:13I don't know. I was still kind of let down by the whole thing, to be honest.
66:18Like there was just a whole bunch of creation mode stuff from Cam Ward.
66:22I was hoping in this one he would be able to sit back there and go through his progressions and, you know, hit players in rhythm.
66:29And it still just didn't have like that much rhythm to it, you know, and that kind of gives me concerns of
66:36Matt, this type of performance stacking itself week over week.
66:39I understand this was the Ravens and they've got some great defensive pieces and some great defensive coaches and all that type of stuff.
66:46But I was still left wanting a little bit more.
66:49I guess I had my expectations just lower because I'm not expecting that from Cam Ward or Brian Dayball at this point.
66:55I think these two guys are bad. They brought to do some cool like three by one stuff, too.
67:01Like what I was nervous about in the preseason was Cardinal Tate just being isolated as the X and all that type of stuff.
67:08He had some cool three by one and got him in some looks that were favorable for him, too.
67:13So that was a positive, which definitely helps. That helps the Cardinal Tate part of it.
67:18And especially, again, going against the Texans this week, Colts the week after that, there's going to be some spots where if
67:24they can get him on the move and just like, again, what the Cowboys did with CeeDee Lamb, like motion him across
67:31the field and then run these quick outs. I think that's good for Tate.
67:35And I will say on the Marvin Harrison Jr.
67:37And I think that's a senior point, like the one of the problems for Marv, even when he does get the ball
67:44thrown his way, especially early in his career, was he would underhand, like let the ball into his body tape.
67:50This is totally translated. It's just one of the most.
67:53I know he had the drop, but like most aesthetically pleasing players to watch catch the ball because he always comes at
67:59that thing with extended hands full frame. He's doing that for sure.
68:03So if you're feeling like if you drafted Cardinal Tate in your dynasty draft, just watch the tape.
68:08Don't don't watch the Titans offense. Just watch the tape.
68:11Hey, do we need to say anything about the running game?
68:14I mean, Tony Pollard is running back 31 at this point.
68:17Go ahead. He's the RB 14 in usage for our usage leagues out there.
68:21It hasn't necessarily translated. I will say this. JC Latham, their right tackle has been awesome.
68:26And if you're talking about just getting off the bus, what you want your right tackle to look like.
68:31JC Latham, you could not put a bigger bicep on the man.
68:35And he kind of wears his jersey all tight and cropped and stuff.
68:39He was dominating every Ravens defensive lineman in the ground game.
68:42JC Latham, there was a chance that he was just going to be like not an NFL starter in the first round bus.
68:49I would say he's one of the better right tackles that I've watched this season.
68:53And that is like a huge turnaround for the Tennessee Titans.
68:56I think maybe that's like another reason to be a little bit frustrated with the Cam Ward stuff more than we're even being on this show.
69:04It's like the offensive line has not been a stone cold disaster that it could have been going into this.
69:10I think it's played like a tier above that.
69:12And someone like JC Latham kind of having this breakout season is a reason why.
69:17Tangent. What the heck was Bill Callahan doing in Tennessee?
69:20Like goaded offensive line coach for his whole career.
69:22Awesome. Then he goes to work for his son and has a terrible Titans offensive line despite investing a lot in it.
69:29And now he's with the Atlanta Falcons and their offensive line is freaking nasty.
69:33So I don't know what was going on there during that two year span in Tennessee, Matt.
69:38Don't work. Don't work for your son. Maybe that's the answer.
69:41Yeah, there it is. Never work for your son.
69:43Denver Broncos. Let's talk about them. I mean, where to start?
69:47Uh, Matt, I'm sure you watched the bone next stuff.
69:50Everyone by this point has watched the bone next stuff for me.
69:53I mean, there were two place. Okay. And you don't have to look in the first quarter if you guys want to watch it.
70:00All right. There's a 13 personnel look under center.
70:03Marvin Mims runs the coverage away. Evan Ingram from the tight end side runs an over route.
70:08There's a seven yard cavity. Here's the entire sideline open.
70:11And instead of throwing it to him, bone X takes the two yard gain to RJ Harvey on the check down.
70:17Then two plays later, 11 personnel, a concept that every team across the league runs.
70:21Jalen Waddle from the slot drives down the field.
70:24Pat Bryant hits the dagger behind him. The entire middle of the field area is open.
70:28And once again, Bo Nix checks it down. That was on first and 20 and like third and 18.
70:34And both could have gotten first downs or at least gotten close to it.
70:38So Matt, I don't think there's a bigger indictment or indication of where Bo Nix is right now than RJ Harvey getting 10 catches in a single game.
70:46It's so gross. I was super frustrated talking about this offense on our Sunday recap show.
70:51Didn't feel any better about it. Honestly, I felt worse because at least on going back and watching on tape, because at
70:57least on Sunday, you can think, hey, well, maybe the guys weren't open downfield.
71:01I was suspicious of that. But nevertheless, yeah, I mean, the fact like you're seeing this passing chart here on the screen.
71:08I mean, this is what it is. It's this massive cavity over the middle of the field.
71:13And Bo Nix is just not pulling the trigger on these throws.
71:16And he also does not move well at all right now.
71:19It might be bad that he's had what all these ankle surgeries at this point.
71:24I mean, the guys who have these are the players who have more yards from scrambling than Bo Nix this year.
71:30Drew Locke, Jameis Winston, Jack Strand. And these guys barely played.
71:33So he's not taking off and running. I mean, he's not taking off and running at all.
71:38He also doesn't look comfortable in the pocket. So he's getting to these checkdowns so quickly.
71:43I mean, yeah, those are good examples. I would see the same thing where it's like they rain dagger a ton in this game.
71:50This was a Davis Webb get the message out there.
71:53It's not my fault sort of week on social media.
71:56And you know what? He's right. Like they're running the concepts and the quarterback is just not pulling the trigger right now.
72:02So I don't know if that's Bo Nix isn't comfortable.
72:05This is just who he is. He's always been too quick to the check down to in my opinion.
72:10And we're certainly seeing that so far this year.
72:13Yeah, I think the expectations with Waddle being there, it's like really put a magnifying glass on this Bo Nix problem, which
72:19has been a problem for a very long time.
72:22I did not realize he has 6.3 rushing yards per game.
72:25That's quarterback 23. Like that was what kind of like dragged him to like being a, I would say, competent rookie quarterback a couple years ago.
72:33I kind of like by the midpoint of that season.
72:36But we're not getting those moments nearly as often in this one.
72:39Jalen Waddle at this point, 21% target share, wide receiver 37 and expected points.
72:43He's just going to be more up and down than I wanted.
72:47He did have two screen receptions in this one, but just in general, like not getting as many, like just kind of
72:53like go balls and, you know, big crossing routes.
72:56And we have not really seen that. Maybe that changes with Pat Bryant going to injured reserved here.
73:01But something's got to give. Yeah, something. And then the one he did get, he dropped.
73:06So there's also, you know, call balls and strikes here.
73:09Got to make that play, Jalen Waddle. So I think your point, Matt, about the ankle injury, like maybe that is just
73:15this internal noise that Bonix hears because he's always been this quarterback.
73:19That's had a difficult time finding the Goldilocks zone between moving too much and not moving enough.
73:24His sack avoidance has always been great. And maybe he, you know, that is too top of mind in that he realizes
73:30he can't move as much as he used to.
73:33And so in order to avoid these sacks, because that's my calling card is my sack avoidance.
73:38I just have to get the check down quicker.
73:40So it all might stem from, like you said, Matt, just a bunch and not being totally healed from that, that ankle or that foot.
73:48I do want to bring up the running back room here too.
73:51J.K. Dobbins is among the worst in the NFL right now in success rate.
73:55And he doesn't catch passes. Look, Archie Harvey as a rusher is not a plus runner, but at least is like mill
74:02the road when it comes to success rate and these underlying numbers.
74:05He also leads the NFL in yards off a catch.
74:08Now, again, it's because these check downs, but Hayden, are we at the point where it's just better for who the Broncos
74:14are right now to start and play R.J. Harvey over J.K.
74:18Dobbins? Well, they kind of did it. They didn't start R.J.
74:21Harvey, but R.J. Harvey played more early down snaps than J.K.
74:24Dobbins did this last week. And I will be ranking R.J.
74:27Harvey definitely ahead of J.K. Dobbins. I would put this into the Patriots backfield conversation where the answer to the Broncos backfield
74:34was you don't draft any of them. It's always just going to be a committee.
74:38It was Tyler Bidet out there in pass protection as well.
74:41He actually got a carry before J.K. Dobbins as well in this game.
74:45So the Dobbins stuff is officially cursed. I think that you could be aggressive and drop him that.
74:50I was listening to your show and you guys had the same takeaway there where if you want to be aggressive, just drop him.
74:57Like he's not going to be a league winner.
75:00He's just kind of like maybe going to be a flex play, but not going to be a good one at that.
75:06I will say the Broncos offensive line is not moving as many bodies in the ground game as well.
75:12Just watching them for a unit that should be one of the best offensive lines as well.
75:17So everything just feels a little bit off. And the last thing I was going to say on the Bo Nix stuff
75:23last week, it was kind of like what's happening in the NBA with Wemby is when you have a middle of the field player in Fred Warner.
75:31Some teams are just like, I'm not even going to try.
75:34And that's what I kind of felt with with Bo Nix is like he knew Fred Warner was just lurking over the middle.
75:41He's like, I'm not even going to throw the ball over there.
75:44And that's why I think he was getting to the check down on top of that.
75:49But you can't be a good quarterback if you're going to just like say F it.
75:54I'm not going to be an attempt things over the middle, even if it is Fred Warner.
75:59Tyler Bidde was fourth on the team in receiving yards.
76:02Fourth on the team in receiving yards was Tyler Bidde.
76:05So I'm with you, though, Josh, could could could R.J.
76:08Harvey be like the most disgusting by low because just, hey, you trade for him because he's not like really popping in fantasy.
76:14But and they just kind of go more towards him because I just think Dobbins is unfortunately giving them next to nothing at this point.
76:22Maybe keep stashing Jonah Coleman. I don't know if there's a right answer here, but it's it's not what's been going on so far.
76:29I mean, in half PPR, he did have 10 catches and still scored as only the running back 20.
76:34Now, if you play in a sicko league and full PPR, he was a running back 12 because of all those catches.
76:40But again, that goes to show. I mean, I said this 100 times.
76:44And, you know, when the Jonah Coleman stuff was happening in waivers and everything is this has to be a singular running back for it to matter.
76:52It is split way too many different areas and they're not good enough running the football at large for it to be
76:59a split backfield and for it to matter for any of us.
77:02Okay, Matt, we're going to keep you for one extra and it's a Cincinnati Bengals and it's just for one name.
77:08You promised us on Sunday night after we saw one of the greatest stories in the NFL Dante Myers pop up for
77:1592% route percentage that you're going to chart him this week.
77:18What'd you see when he charted them? How about that?
77:21We have something new to talk about with the Cincinnati Bengals.
77:24Other than the fact they've completely given up, by the way, on the under center thing.
77:29They're dead last and under center their first and pass right over expected.
77:32So they shot those August storylines into the sun quickly.
77:35But, you know, who's kind of shot out of a cannon a little bit is Dante Myers.
77:40I mean, that guy's got a little bit of pop to him for sure.
77:44I also was impressed that they played him across the formation.
77:48I was expecting to think, oh, this is going to be a little gadgety nonsense Mickey Mouse BS.
77:53But 50% snaps on ball, 50% snaps off ball, 34% slot.
77:56So decent bit of work all over the place.
77:59And in terms of his route tree, now I'm not going to sit here and say he is a refined receiver as a downfield separator.
78:06Cause I'm, I mean, he's, he's not, especially against zone coverage.
78:09He doesn't quite know the leverages and everything, but dig routes.
78:12I thought he had a couple of impressive moments, like just quicker outs.
78:16The deeper outs were not so great. By the way, Travis Hunter cornerback film is outrageous right now.
78:21As one of the biggest Travis Hunter wide receiver backers out there.
78:25I'd be happy if we never played a wide receiver ever again, just cause he's so damn good as a corner.
78:31And they were really baiting. They were really baiting Cincinnati throw into the hole, throw into the whole shot for cover two here.
78:38And they were closing those windows quick. Even one of those quick little outs that Dante Myers ran, he turns around to
78:44start running after the catch and Travis Hunter, boom, pops him right afterwards.
78:48So he obliterated him along the sideline. So it's a lot of that with Myers, but didn't quite have any big breakaway plays here for sure.
78:56But I think if he gets an angle, he can, he can, he can scoot after the catch.
79:01So I would not call him a pure fake designery receiver.
79:04Uh, he did have some nice moments and I liked that he was used all over the formation, but yeah, obviously that's
79:10going to be the key to him right now is quick, almost like quick man coverage wins and then pin it on him and let him run.
79:18Yeah. I noticed the same thing, but on that big third and 16, the sliding play that was from the slot.
79:24And then they were down five points, 90 seconds left first and 10, and they throw him a back shoulder ball that gets completed.
79:31So I was like, to me, Joe Burrow, like trust him, uh, which was nice.
79:36And then Josh, if he doesn't get clipped on his ankles on that plate earlier in the game, he might've house that that dude was fly.
79:43So I think you're going to get maybe like a couple manufactured opportunities a game because he's that explosive.
79:49Uh, obviously you have to do that less of Jamar Chase is out there, but that guy got to speed quickly, uh, early on.
79:56And then he, he nearly had like a, probably like a 60 yard play.
80:00So I think this is really important and people are watching this live.
80:04Thank you for watching. Leave a thumbs up if you are, um, ahead of the waivers.
80:08And then we have to fill in for T Higgins, who I think is going to miss multiple weeks with his groin and Jamar Chase with concussion.
80:16I'm expecting him to miss because one, it's the dolphins, even though it's a must win.
80:21And then they have a bi-week after that. So it just kind of would make sense.
80:26Now we have seen some players respond quickly from concussions, but.
80:29Hey, we have to get this right. So in the waivers episode, I talked a bit more about Mike Gusecki than I did Dante Myers.
80:36I mean, Gusecki right now is the tight end 10 on the season, despite only being on the field for 58% of dropbacks.
80:43You can kind of look at the last two seasons as part of the Bengals.
80:47Like in 2024, when T Higgins missed week two, he was a tight end five.
80:52When T Higgins missed weeks eight, nine, he was a tight end 16 and the tight end one.
80:57Last season, when T played less than 75% in certain games, he was a tight end two and the tight end 13.
81:03So to me, he's a glorified wide receiver for this team.
81:06Yeah. But especially when one of those players misses, he is a focal point of this passing game.
81:12And he's already doing great things this season on a reduced snap count.
81:16And that should maybe go up by like 20% this week.
81:19I think I would project Myers for more fantasy points than Mike Gusecki, but it'd be close between the two.
81:25Myers played 58 of 63 dropbacks and Gusecki was at 44 of 63.
81:28So just, you know, Gusecki has to be better on a per target base.
81:32He's probably more likely to score a touchdown given the size.
81:36So I think it'd be close, close to a toss up.
81:39I think that both of them are awesome pickups.
81:41Just, I mean, don't spend a lot of money on it, but just like you can do a lot worse than start either one of them.
81:49If, if even if Chase is out there, I think that both these guys are going to be heavily involved to some degree.
81:56And Chase isn't out there. I think both of them are going to be in my top 36 and top 12 at their positions.
82:03Just personnel notes for Dante Myers to new way.
82:05I'm charting things is like through personnel stuff. I won't take everybody through the boring back end part of it, but 38%,
82:1211 personnel, 49%, 12 personnel, 6%, 20 personnel, 7%, 21.
82:15Obviously some of that 12 is BS because Mike Gusecki has run 0% of his routes as an inline tight end.
82:21For all of the Harmon, when are you going to chart Brock Bowers nonsense?
82:25When he runs fewer routes as an inline tight end, then Mike Gusecki, that's the rules.
82:30Okay. That's so nobody wants to guess. Nobody wants the Gusecki charts.
82:33But as soon as, as soon as he does that, then, then maybe Brock Bowers, we'll see about that.
82:39But yeah, I mean, Myers played in all the personnel groupings played outside inside.
82:43I think, yeah, I like Hayden's way of saying it.
82:46I've, I've heard of worse ideas than Dante Myers.
82:48There are worse pickups. All of us have made this season than guys that are playing anywhere from 70 to 92% snaps.
82:55Attached to Joe Burrow facing the Miami Dolphins defense, you know?
82:58Yeah. So, and with everything that I brought with Mike Gusecki, that was also previous years when Andre Yoshifas was on the
83:04field and now he's not, you know? Yeah. So to me, that's even a cleaner pathway for Gusecki being a nice fill in for like Travis Kelsey.
83:12If he's on a bye week for your teams out there too.
83:16Um, I had something brought up about the running game.
83:19Cause that's been non-existent. Like Chase Brown, we can keep saying he's a by low and blah, blah, blah.
83:24And all that type of stuff. A crazy stat from, uh, I think it's EAB put it out there.
83:30The longest running play in eight years under Zach Taylor is actually from Joe Burrow.
83:34It's a 47 yard rushing touchdown back against the New York giants in 2024.
83:38And Matt, like you said, the, the Bengals are dead last in yards per play from under center this year.
83:44So while that has helped and theoretically should chase Brown with some of his rushing production, uh, they're already abandoning it and moving away from it.
83:52Yeah. Stinks. But, um, that this is what they are, man.
83:55They'll probably do the same nonsense next off season where they sell this to us, but this is what Joe Burrow wants to do.
84:02So this is what they're going to do. They'll, they'll be this way until the end of time.
84:07All right, Matt. Thanks a lot, man. Extra work, extra credit from him.
84:11Appreciate you joining us and I'll, uh, see you in your show on Thursday.
84:15Yes, sir. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. All right.
84:18Hayden, let's keep it rolling. First, let's do the Baltimore Ravens.
84:21They're up next. I mean, this Lamar Jackson ankle injury, he's missed games every single year for either flu like symptoms in
84:27December or, you know, some type of injury that pops up quote unquote outside chance of playing, but they are two and
84:34a half point underdogs to the Falcons at this point.
84:36So the markets do not believe that Lamar Jackson is going to play.
84:40That brings us to Tyler Huntley. And, uh, that is throwing to say flowers and Derek Henry.
84:45And there's your team. That's the entire team. I once again, liked what I saw schematically from Declan Doyle's a flowers was all over the field.
84:53Uh, in this one, a lot of plays over the middle, quick hitters to say flowers, uh, to let him go after
84:59the catch, including his touchdown on the end zone copy of that play.
85:03Like Lamar Jackson had this much space to throw that ball in there.
85:07Just like a reminder when we're watching like the TV angles of this stuff, we do not get the proper representation of
85:13how difficult it is to play quarterback in the NFL.
85:16Um, so yeah, that just like goes to show, you know, the difference between Lamar Jackson and Tyler Huntley is a big
85:23one, but at the same time, they're just not going to throw the ball to anybody else except for Zay flowers this year.
85:29So even with Huntley in there, I will still be ranking Zay flowers as a top 15 or so option.
85:35Yeah, they did lose Durham Smythe for the season.
85:38Uh, I'm not saying that Durham Smythe was on our radar for fancy purposes, but he is kind of a dirty work guy.
85:44Like I know Nate posted a clip where the Ravens tried out 13 personnel and under center, which so awesome that we're
85:51getting even more of this stuff under Declan Doyle and they motioned Derm Smythe out wide.
85:56And then that freed up Zay flowers in the slot.
85:58It's very similar to, you know, what Ben Johnson does with his Titans.
86:02And we know Declan Doyle coached with Ben Johnson last year.
86:05So they're kind of utilizing Titans to move the pieces in order to get their best players the ball, which is everything
86:12that you want with an offensive play caller. Okay.
86:14Buffalo bills are up next. So I talked for this on the waivers episode.
86:19Uh, Hayden, I want DJ more out there, but if DJ more is going to leave after 25% of snaps, I really
86:25DJ more just sits because in his absence, I really want to play key on Coleman.
86:30Like this version of Keon Coleman should draw people's attention.
86:33He's playing that well. Yeah. I had this game, uh, for the recap show and I made sure to say, I think that he's playing better.
86:40I brought it up to Nate Tyson. The other recap show.
86:43Um, if you haven't listened to me enough, you can go over to football 301.
86:48I do back to back on street caps shows every Sunday right now.
86:51Please subscribe. Um, but on that, I said, Nate, I think he on Coleman looks faster.
86:56This year looks a little more slender. Uh, and he quickly pulled it up.
87:00This is the fastest he's run on that per, uh, play basis, uh, versus the other is marginally faster, but it's something,
87:07uh, he had made a classic key on Coleman play on the sideline, but that, that big kind of post route for
87:13the touchdown, like that was like about as fast as I've seen him run there.
87:17And this big kind of play underneath, that was an at snap motion play where he was the first, uh, read target on that one.
87:25So it's a little bit more involvement here. Um, so I think that he's good enough to be an NFL starter now.
87:31And I think that he's good enough where if he's the first player in the past game, like I think that's gonna be a fancy starter.
87:39Yeah. Yeah. He's almost DJ more insurance, you know, like they, they won't put Khalil Shakir in the DJ more role.
87:45Duncan Cade's going to get his, and we can talk about, well, you know, Joe Brady's comments with that and all that type of stuff.
87:52But in the two games where DJ more has left after again, like 23% of the snaps.
87:57Keon Cohen pops in for six reception, 63 yards.
88:00And here are six receptions for 116 and one.
88:02And it looks like the similar patterns. It looks like the similar routes and it kind of looks like the similar speed.
88:09I mean, I've been a hater Keon Coleman and that's been correct so far, but I also want to give him credit
88:15that like when he gets motioned into a stack for these crossing routes, these downfield concepts, the three levels, he's the intermediate target.
88:22Like he even had a design screen in this game, you know?
88:25So there is confusion that you obviously maybe came in prioritize Keon Coleman, unless we know DJ more is going to miss
88:32a game because he's only relevant if he does.
88:34But if I knew it, I think Keon Coleman might be my like second or third waiver pickup this week, simply based
88:41on I would immediately start him this week. Yeah.
88:43Huge game against the Rams here. Point total are 26 to 28 and a half.
88:48So that's a kind of start everybody. My other note on this was on the Dalton Kincaid stuff.
88:53We have somebody that was charting just like the usage in general, and they've not run the ball to Dalton Kincaid's side a single time yet.
89:01So like, yeah, that's a pretty big tell. And it's like a reason why he's not going to be playing all the snaps all the time.
89:08He's just kind of in the same role. It's been back.
89:11He's be hyper efficient. Yes. Now, I think that he is one of the best receiving tight ends in the league.
89:18And without DJ more, like I still want to start him, but he was the tight end five tight end three in the first two weeks.
89:25And then the last two weeks outside the top 30 in scoring.
89:29So, you know, it's going to be this kind of roller coaster.
89:32That's kind of what we signed up with with Dalton Kincaid.
89:35But, you know, like that was like a classic note there.
89:39They haven't ran the ball to his side a single time yet.
89:42You know, that's a tell. Yes, it is. Joe Brady said, quote, I have to be better.
89:47There is no reason Duncan Cage to have two targets, especially with the flow of the game.
89:52So maybe have a bit of a squeaky wheel situation.
89:55The last thing I had here for the Bills is that there's only one quarterback in the NFL who is getting designed
90:01runs called at a higher rate than they were last year.
90:05And that's Josh Allen. Yeah. Which is pretty crazy.
90:07Like we talk about more pass heavy looks from the Bills this season.
90:11And that's been true. And, you know, more plays and all that type of stuff.
90:15Well, the more plays, you know, can also equal more design runs here for Josh Allen.
90:20That's from Run the Sims, by the way. OK, let's talk about the Chicago Bears.
90:24My, to use your term, fancy boy stat for the Chicago Bears is that they lead the NFL with 4.8 drives that reach the red zone per game.
90:33But they rank right now 30th in red zone touchdown success rate at 42.11%.
90:37We're talking about small samples and you can actually physically remember the specific plays where this happened, where it's DeAndre Swift getting
90:43stuffed at the one yard line twice. It's Colson Loveland, you know, knocking the ball over.
90:48It's Caleb Williams pulling his hamstring and not crossing the goal line.
90:51It's Sam Rauch, like dropping a pass, you know, it's Roman.
90:54So it's it's it's a lot of these like small things.
90:58So I use the term like they're going to be scary when Ben Johnson fixes it.
91:02But same time with fix it, it can be, you know, some positive regression.
91:06It can just be stabilizing, like insert whatever word you want to.
91:10But that that points to how great this offense can be and it can be even better.
91:15Yeah, I think that's a great note. They have not executed everything perfectly, which is the scary part for for all this stuff.
91:22There's a lot of mouths to feed. I didn't have like a good like like kind of shake through between the Colson Loveland.
91:28Is he good again? Is he not good again?
91:31Luther Roma Dunsay? Like I think this as a season plays out, these guys are going to like more or less probably
91:37be kind of like where we were drafting them, maybe a little bit tier below just because Kalief Raymond is more involved there.
91:44My biggest note was just what happened with the running backs there.
91:48DeAndre Swift fumbled the ball midway through the third quarter.
91:50And then Kyle Menunga went absolutely crazy for the rest of the game there.
91:55They're not going to sit DeAndre Swift moving forward because of that.
91:58Kyle Menunga was was going. He was running really well.
92:01And that's how he got home. But, you know, DeAndre Swift is going to start playing fourth quarters and he's going to bounce back eventually.
92:08So I want to read into it. You know, this is just like writing the hot hand summed up on the chart.
92:15But on that note, like we opened the season.
92:17With DeAndre Swift being one of the best picks in fantasy football and kind of getting more work than we were expecting after Kalmanunga.
92:24You know, had a slow camp because of injury.
92:27We talked about last week against the Eagles, how, you know, DeAndre Swift opened more series than we were accustomed to.
92:33And then Kalmanunga has this game where he has 30 carries and he actually might be a good answer for them inside the five yard line.
92:41Like Swift has improved in that area, but Monunga is just a bull in that area too.
92:46So I don't want maybe some reaction to, oh, DeAndre Swift, it might now be back to a split.
92:51Well, guess what? That's where you drafted DeAndre Swift.
92:54And he's still going to be a heck of a fancy asset if this is a pure 50-50 split, because this offense
93:00posts a whole bunch of points and they're very good at running the football.
93:04So I don't want any negativity that people see about DeAndre Swift this week and obviously the fumble and sitting for the
93:11entire fourth quarter to lead them to sell high on Swift.
93:14In fact, I might do the opposite. I might go out and buy it.
93:18Yeah, definitely. So there's the running back fantasy usage by team chart out there.
93:22And that's just my model. And when I talk about usage, that is like taking the carries, the targets, how close they are to the end zone.
93:30Are they in shotgun? Yada, yada. There's a million variables that play into it, but it's a really good number to kind of quickly get to the point.
93:38And the Bears are number one in running back usage by a mile versus everybody else.
93:43So you can chop this 60-40, 40-60, 70-30, however you want to chop it.
93:47Both guys are startable and both of them have running back one overall upside.
93:51And that's what they have must plays. The thing with Colson Loveland, because he was the third tight end selected behind Brock
93:57Bowers and Trey McBride, every target that goes to Cole Comet or every manufactured touch that goes to Sam Rausch is taking away from Colson Loveland.
94:05And so while Colson Loveland is still a good player and while I still think he'll have better games ahead, he probably
94:11isn't going to live up to the tight end three billing solely for that reason, along with some other things, along with competing with Roma Dunze.
94:19And Luther Burden and the running backs and all this type of stuff.
94:23So again, there's just a lot more mouths to feed than Brock Bowers, you know, being out there for 93% of routes
94:29and Trey McBride being 85% of routes and all that type of stuff.
94:33My rest of season rankings for tight end would be McBride and Bowers in tier one.
94:38I would put Laporta and Kittle in tier two.
94:40And then Warren Kincaid, Loveland, Kraft, I guess. Isaiah likely, you know, kind of in that next tier there.
94:46Juwan's up there too. Yeah, I think Juwan for now is in that.
94:50And I think, you know, as the season plays out and Jordan Tyson gets there, I think he'll step down a tier.
94:56But, you know, I think Colson Loveland, I would draft him as the tight end seven moving forward, even though he's not been anywhere near that.
95:04But that's a long ways away versus round four.
95:06Let's talk the Cleveland Browns. They played an attorney ago, almost a week ago on Thursday Night Football.
95:11I mean, my overriding point is that Todd Monken is just a problem solver.
95:15You know, like this roster is different than the one that Stefanski had last year.
95:20But I think a major reason why it's different is because Todd Monken specifically wanted it to be different in terms of
95:26reworking the entire offensive line, which, by the way, we're seeing across the league, if you have one or two new pieces
95:33along the front five, then there's some growing pains.
95:35They have five new pieces, basically, and look how they're playing.
95:39And then, you know, the Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion of it all saying, I want a whole new wide receiver room.
95:45And these rookies aren't necessarily playing like rookies. And then it's making Deshaun Watson look go from horrible to still below average.
95:51But it's in these moments that when the game is on the line, one, his movement is better.
95:56And two, I think that Todd Monken just gives him the answers and the confidence to make more plays than he has
96:03been in the last couple of years. Really well said.
96:06Brown's their second in neutral pass rate right now at 63%, which kind of goes to show you that Todd Monken understands his personnel.
96:13He was never this high, obviously, with the Ravens and completely flips it around because he knows Deshaun's going to buy some
96:19time and then also scramble around a little bit.
96:22They've gotten some nice first downs from Deshaun Watson as a scrambler this year.
96:26And then their best, but their best skill guys right now as Quinn Sean's just kind of ramping up off his injury
96:32has definitely been Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion. So in their middle of the pack and success rate, which is incredible versus
96:39where they should be with that new offensive line.
96:41So I think credit to Todd Monken more so than anybody else associated with the Cleveland Browns.
96:46And they've also just hit on a lot of their recent picks, you know, like Mason Graham was balling out earlier this season.
96:53And obviously they traded down to get some extra capital as well.
96:56Fannin was excellent. And then both their skill guys and the draft this year have been looking like excellent players, including Casey
97:03Concepcion, like blocking like five guys on a play.
97:05I think that was just like a special moment from from the youngster.
97:09Okay, I need to ask you about Denzel Boston because he was drafted as the wires.
97:14He were five or six by a lot of people out there.
97:17If you just look at where he's at this season, he's wide receiver 18 and points per game.
97:23Now, that's heavily aided by the first two weeks when no one played him as the wide receiver 19 and 11.
97:29And these last two have been the wide receiver 49 and 32.
97:32But as we get into bye weeks here, Hayden, is he one of the players again, despite being attached to Deshaun Watson,
97:39albeit again, the neutral pass rate is up high that you would feel comfortable starting as your wide receiver two or three?
97:45Not as a wide receiver two. He's the wide receiver 41 in usage, wide receiver 44 in targets per game.
97:51He's used down the field. So I think he's going to be like a fairly efficient player for like all he can control.
97:58He's he's going to make some awesome plays at the catch point.
98:01And he has a little bit more separation skills.
98:04And I think people certainly gave him credit for pre-draft.
98:07But in my rankings, like initial rankings, he's like my wide receiver 33 right now.
98:11Um, and I think I feel way more comfortable like in the mid to late thirties than trying to pretend that we
98:17have like a top 24 wide receiver on hand.
98:20I think dynasty wise, both these guys look the part and that's what we should be excited about.
98:25And they're going to be more relevant because they're passing the ball in neutral situations more, more so than, uh, we thought they were.
98:32And Deshaun's playing better than we thought, but I'm not ready to crown Denzel Boston as a wide receiver too.
98:38Yeah, I like that. And by the way, this defensive coordinator is very good.
98:42They had a rough week one, but he coached with Jeff Ulbrich, who I should have given flowers to when we talked
98:49about the Atlanta Falcons, like losing both your pass rushers in Atlanta and still everyone's flying to the football.
98:54Uh, the Browns are flying to the football too.
98:57Like guys are playing with their hair on fire.
98:59So this coaching staff is, I think an a plus so far.
99:03Yep. Dallas Cowboys. Speaking of a plus Dak Prescott is playing great football.
99:07CD lamb playing great football. Javante Williams is scoring touchdowns.
99:10Hayden, there is only one question. It is George Pickens who is roughly like the wide receiver 38 right now.
99:15Is this a buy low window for the people out there for George Pickens?
99:20Yeah. I'm going to just keep calling him a buy low.
99:23I think that the price tag is starting to get definitely closer to, you know, wide receiver 16 rather than the wide
99:29receiver 10 that we drafted him as. Um, but I think to the general point is the Cowboys are picking up first downs at an elite rate.
99:37Dak Prescott is playing awesome football. They're pushing the ball down the field as well.
99:41Uh, Javante Williams getting home in like short yarded situations, but they're not like using Javante Williams to like, to the point
99:48that, you know, uh, George Pickens can't get the football.
99:51So I think better days are coming forward for, for George Pickens that said CD lamb has 25 receiving first downs this year.
99:57That is the second most in NFL history through four weeks, only behind 2011 West Welker with Tom Brady second most ever.
100:04Uh, and he recently did that against the Ravens and the Texans.
100:07And I just think it was like another awesome, uh, performance from the coaching staff that, you know, move CD lamb.
100:14So he was just not going to be seeing Derek Stingley for a large chunk of that game, including the game winner as well.
100:21So I think it's a well-coached team. Their offensive line is playing better and they're about to get their best offensive lineman back.
100:27His practice window just opened up this week. Someone like, uh, uh, Tyler Guyton, their left tackle is playing better football than we thought.
100:34Um, so like I want everybody on this offense.
100:37Like there's not a player I don't want. And that includes George Pickens.
100:41Yep. I mean, I look CD lamb has four touchdowns.
100:44He only had three last year. He's already overperforming there and George Pickens last season on the slants and in breakers and
100:50just every opportunity that he was given was, you know, being extremely efficient and was a model breaker on top of having insane volume.
100:57So with Dak playing at this level and through four games, the Cowboys offense ranking fifth in points per drive out of every offense since the year 2000.
101:05That's from Anthony Dabundo. Uh, to me, you're not going to get a piece that has declined in value as much of
101:12George Pickens and an offense that we should want every single piece of moving forward.
101:16So, uh, I would be aggressive and going to your friend, your league mate and saying, Hey, I know Pickens hasn't done
101:22it for you, but how about X, Y, Z who, uh, is performing much better than him so far this season?
101:28I think it's a great call. And I'm right there with you.
101:32Okay. So green, we have Packers. Um, I mean, I watched this game.
101:36The Packers offense is very straightforward. We care about Christian Watson.
101:39We care about Matthew golden, Tucker craft, finally learned and remembered how to play football once again.
101:44I still did not think that Jordan love was at his best.
101:47Um, I mean, through that red zone interception with four 26 to go only up by three points, but, uh, you know,
101:54he is in an environment that he knows that if he doesn't play great, then again, it gets back to that cyclical
102:00stuff where they don't have enough talent around him.
102:03Yeah. And, you know, like the Caleb Johnson fumbled, you know, like puts a magnifying glass on that.
102:08You know, sympathetic. I am to when a quarterback is stressing because he thinks there's going to be pressure because in the
102:15last eight plays there were, there was pressure. So like, even if that play there wasn't, you know, like it's, it's, there's
102:21a context here of, of why I think that he's not having his best season.
102:25Um, in terms of the running backs, I guess, like, I guess it would be Marshawn Lloyd again because Caleb Johnson had
102:32that fumble and they were using Marshawn Lloyd, uh, earlier on, uh, Chris Brooks picked up an injury.
102:37Like I'm not sure if it matters though. Um, they're, they're, they're trying new offensive linemen.
102:42Maybe that, that kind of settles things down. And I think that we're probably a couple of ways, a couple of weeks away from Josh Jacobs returning here.
102:50Um, but this offense feels pretty straightforward to me at this point.
102:53I've like kind of accepted what the offensive line is.
102:56I've accepted that Matthew gold and Christian Watson are awesome players and must plays.
103:00And I think Tucker craft is ramping up and playing like himself and like the rest of it.
103:06Like I don't think really matters. Yeah. This might just be the most straightforward conversation that we have all season long, unless
103:12they, you know, make a trade for a running back here in the near future for, you know, a team that might
103:18be going in the opposite direction of them. Let's put it that way.
103:22Okay. Let's talk the Houston Texans. Uh, I mean the Nico Collins trickle down is pretty insane.
103:27We, we brought it up last week and it just goes to show how important like the alpha wide receiver is for anyone out there.
103:34Um, yeah, I mean a true number one Ted Nguyen posted this EPA per play with Nico Collins.
103:40Uh, the explosive rate is 15.2% without him. That would drop down to 10, the EPA per play 0.13, uh, without him negative 0.12.
103:47And then the most important is points per drive 2.82.
103:50And that drops down to one without Nico. Sorry, you're breaking up on, on that, but I think you're talking about how good Nico Collins is.
103:57And I will say, I totally agree on the Nico Collins front, like completely just altered the exact, uh, ways that the
104:04Texans were getting to their, their concepts. And I think that he's one of the best wide receivers in the NFL and his stats have reflected that.
104:12And there's nobody else that really throw the ball to in this offense.
104:15So I think moving forward, I think Nico Collins would have a huge, he might not be a top five fantasy wide
104:22receiver, but he's not far from that. And I think that he's going to just go crazy the rest of the way.
104:28Yeah. I was just citing some random EPA and, you know, points per drive numbers and all that type of stuff.
104:34Uh, I feel like every other fantasy show is going to talk about Dave Montgomery.
104:39I feel like we've already had the Dave Montgomery conversation, including week one that right now he's a touchdown or bust fantasy asset and that's it.
104:46So you kind of have to pick your spots with him.
104:49I mean, the rushing overall from this team is, is just horrific.
104:53And we've seen over the last two weeks that the touchdown that they do score, Woody marks is the one that is out there.
105:00So I even think it's to the point where Dave Montgomery has almost no value in terms of selling because everyone knows
105:06he's just a dead zone back at this point.
105:09Largely agree. Last three games, 5.4 expected points, 8.2, and then 6.1.
105:12And I can, I feel pretty confident he's going to come under expectation.
105:16And like those are, you know, that's outside the top 30 and running backs.
105:20Um, so I guess you'd be like my running back 31 or something in, in rankings.
105:25Uh, but I don't feel, feel great about it.
105:28Um, this week though, they, they face the Tennessee Titans.
105:31So like this, like another spot where like in theory, there could be some more fourth quarter carries than usual, but it's, it's every other draft.
105:38It's as simple as that. Um, yeah, I mean, we've seen if you have a solid defensive line or even average, then you bully the Houston Texans defense.
105:46And then I think the Titans might be at that average and they have some great players on that defensive line too.
105:53Oh yeah. So, and then it's the Jaguars after that.
105:56Like if you play Dave Montgomery against the Jaguars, like good luck to you.
106:00You just hopefully he farts into the end zone.
106:02Okay. Yeah. Um, should we talk to Indianapolis Colts again?
106:05Not that many notes here. The first one is Daniel Jones.
106:08His yards per attempt is 31st in the NFL.
106:11Obviously when this team was number one in scoring for 10 plus games last year, uh, he was a statistical leader in
106:18every single category, but Hayden, I understand Josh Downs is out there in a bunch of two wide receiver sets.
106:23I understand he's running slightly different routes than he did before, and he's a full time player and yada yada.
106:29But if the ceiling is put on this team, then defenses can just get closer and closer.
106:34And there's just, I think a limit to what Josh Downs brings the table because he's also just more of a volume
106:41sponge and not a tight red zone scoring type wide receiver.
106:44Two things that have stood out to me watching the Colts in general is one, the offensive line doesn't feel as good
106:50to me as it did from a couple of years ago, particularly the tackle play hasn't been quite as strong.
106:56Um, and the other thing is the yards after the catch juice in this offense is just kind of escaped and they're
107:02not going to attempt to throw the ball down the field.
107:06Like this passing chart is perfect. Uh, a couple of plays just like from last week, there was like Laquan Treadwell underneath
107:12catches a pass, but he kind of bobbles it and then the guy just tackles them right away.
107:17Like with better wide receivers, that play goes for like a huge gain and it doesn't.
107:22There's been some times where I thought the same thing with Keenan Allen.
107:26Uh, I think that Tyler Warren and Josh Downs are like definitely good players, but they're kind of limited in what you can do with them.
107:33And that's exactly where you get with Keenan Allen at this point.
107:37So I, I'm not sure they're going to dig themselves out of this kind of dink and dunk.
107:42It's, it's almost like a PPR scammy kind of offense, uh, at this point, but they're going to like try to establish it with Jonathan Taylor first.
107:50So I think a lot of those passing charts that we just saw, like that's going to be the MO with the Colts.
107:57And I think that Josh Downs is going to like kind of hop around for a couple of really nice games, but
108:03he's just not going to be this like fully breakout player.
108:06Um, right. Because I just think that you can only use him in so many ways.
108:11Yeah. He was such an interesting player to talk about this summer because he was going into a role that he hasn't before.
108:18And oftentimes we attach an improved role to improve fantasy production.
108:21And while it might be that it might only be marginal because of the offense just being much worse and he still has limitations to his game.
108:29And if you're not adding touchdowns on top of that improved role, then there's not that much of a difference in what we were getting last year.
108:37Yep. Totally agree with that. Jacksonville Jaguars. Uh, great team.
108:40Some might say the best team in the AFC or top three at this point.
108:44Uh, they are interesting right now. They just aren't throwing the football very much.
108:48Uh, they rank 30th in past attempts. Uh, now they did have two blowout wins.
108:52And so, you know, they ran the ball and, you know, didn't have to put the pedal to the dirt in fourth
108:59quarters, but even in games like they lost to the Denver Broncos, um, or in this game that was tight with the
109:05Cincinnati Bengals that had like 23 and 29 passing attempts.
109:08So that kind of leads me to a point on Parker Washington here.
109:12If you're going to be that low in terms of passing the ball and you have this many mouths to feed that
109:18might lead to some variance or lower ceilings for PW, like against this Bengals defense, Britain strange got eight targets.
109:24Cause we just saw what Dalton Schultz did to them with 14 catches the previous week.
109:29And then you're down to 15 passing attempts to target four wide receivers and a running back.
109:34So I think that while Parker Washington is easily the best pass catcher on this team, and he's still an awesome, awesome, awesome player.
109:41This is different than like the new Orleans saints that are throwing at 23 more times per game.
109:46Yeah. Yeah. They're 30th in plays there. They're more middle of the pack in my fancy numbers, like neutral pass rate, uh, and neutral pace.
109:53They are like pretty much dead center, uh, on that chart there.
109:57So I think there's going to be bigger days for, for Parker Washington.
110:01Maybe not to like, you know, I had a bad ranking.
110:04I had a bad ranking on Parker Washington, like inside the top 12.
110:08Like maybe he's the, the, a very fun wide receiver 19 this year, uh, which would be a win versus where are we drafting him?
110:15Um, and then on the, the film, there were just too many moments where the bangles had like seven guys at the line of scrimmage.
110:22And then they quickly got the ball out to Brenton strange where they were like, you know, tapping helmets to kind of like signal.
110:29I'm just going to get the ball out really quick.
110:32There was a couple of screen attempts to Brenton strange there.
110:35There was also just some moments in isolation where Brenton strange versus a linebacker safety was just winning.
110:41And that's just kind of the MO of the bangles where like they're leaving players open over the middle of the field.
110:47That's where you should throw the football. And that's just kind of what happened there.
110:51It was not that DJ turned like completely erased Parker Washington.
110:55Like that, that did not happen in this game.
110:57It was just like, to your point, they didn't have that many plays.
111:01And when they did have pure dropbacks, Brenton strange was wide open for a lot of the game.
111:06And you know, that's how the cookie crumbles. Now they've only trailed, I think for seven minutes this entire season.
111:12So we haven't seen them have to press so far.
111:15Again, that speaks to how good the defense has been too.
111:18So in those moments, they definitely have the talent to have Parker Washington rip off certain games or whoever else have fantastic performances.
111:25So we'll get some of those at some point.
111:28I just wanted to lead with that because we have been this summer, some of the highest rankers of Parker Washington.
111:34And I know most of the viewers have, uh, have them on their team.
111:38Bachelot toot and just has his backfield. I mean, I understand Chris Rodriguez scored a touchdown here too, but, um, it's, it's been really nice.
111:45I think for four straight games for Bachelot toot and to show some good things.
111:49He had two touchdowns called back here. Yes. Uh, notice that, uh, he's RB 14 and carries per game, RB 33 and receptions per game.
111:57He just like looks good. So that's, you know, he's been the RB 16, RB 25 usage, you know?
112:02So I think pretty start at running back 18 and move them up and down from there for my weekly rankings is how I'm going to treat it.
112:10Should we talk about the Kansas city chiefs? Um, this is a tough conversation for me to have.
112:16Okay. First of all, I don't know if you saw any of like the civil court stuff or Tyree kill today.
112:22It's really brutal from his ex-wife, some allegations she's making.
112:25It's really bad. So unfortunately I do have to ask you Hayden, cause I brought it up on the waivers episode that
112:31there has been some links to Tyree kill joining the Kansas city chiefs because of the injuries that they've had to Tyquan Thornton and Rashi rice.
112:39Um, I said that if he's 80% of what he previously was after all these injuries, then he's easily the best wide receiver on the chiefs.
112:46And I would prioritize him. Uh, if you want to answer that, you can, if you want to add more or you
112:53don't, you don't have to, uh, I don't think Tyree kills in play football again.
112:57Okay. Got it. Yep. Uh, anything else you want to say about the Kansas city chiefs?
113:02Like how do they replace Tyquan Thornton? How do they replace Rashi rice?
113:06Uh, because Patrick Holmes is playing good football. Um, and they are going under center more.
113:10They're getting more single high looks. They're doing all the stuff that we want, but other than Charles Kelsey, is there going to be anyone to maximize them?
113:18Because this answer would have been really easy if we got Tyquan Thornton healthy, but unfortunately he's going to miss the remainder of the year.
113:26I didn't see this passing chart, but that is exactly what we're talking about this off season in that they're going to be more under center.
113:33They're going to run the ball and then they're going to take more shot plays, you know, like traditional football.
113:39Uh, and that's what we got there, but it's just going to be much harder to do without Tyquan.
113:45I think this is a team that can get somebody for pretty cheap.
113:48Um, moving forward, Calvin Ridley kind of, you know, Jerry Judy, there's veterans out here that could help them out there with, for the Tyquan Thornton stuff.
113:56So I don't know who that's going to be yet.
113:59It's good news for Rashi rice at the chiefs have a buy this week.
114:03So I think, you know, the stuff that we're talking about right now, it's not going to largely matter for the big chunk of the season.
114:11I think that they will make a move for somebody because they can't do, you know, Jalen Royals, uh, out there.
114:17They don't trust them. They never used them. And then Cyrus Allen is not a downfield threat.
114:22So the player that's coming into this role is not on the football team currently.
114:26And I can't wait to see who it is.
114:29Yeah. I wonder if we get some answers. I mean, we'll have to after that by week and they'll have some, you
114:35know, extra time to think about it and figure it out.
114:39Like Jalen Royals played almost every single snap when Rashi rice went down and it didn't matter.
114:44Like he was non-existent though. Really one play he's made this year, uh, has been that one near the goal line, um,
114:50that he kind of leaked out and then scored a touchdown on.
114:53So, um, we'll see. Next let's talk about Brock Bowers.
114:56Uh, our buddy Adam Levitan on this Las Vegas Raiders team pointed out where Brock Bowers is, you know, lining up out wide.
115:0361 snaps slot. 45 snaps in line, 16 snaps and the backfield.
115:07Just two snaps. He's won 83 of 90 routes on Kirk Cousins dropbacks this year.
115:11Uh, you termed him immediately a round one pick after he got back on the field.
115:16And that is only being proven out more and more.
115:19He's averaging 19.1 expected half PPR points. That is, you know, that's would be the wide receiver one overall.
115:24Uh, like if he keeps this up, we're talking about an all time season.
115:28It's a, it's as simple as that. And I have no reason to think that this is not going to be kept up.
115:35Um, we saw them trailing and last week and you know, the ball is just going to get funneled to him more so in those environments.
115:42So yeah, I would take them easily in the first round and hopefully his knee could hold up.
115:48Yep. But it's the Patriots and the bills over the next two games here for Brock powers.
115:53I mean, this is, this is the stuff we want.
115:56It is almost symmetrical every single week where you just see these in breakers from each of the slot, uh, every single
116:02time overs and overs and overs and crossing routes.
116:05And it's great. Like Clint Kubiak knows how to funnel the football to his best players.
116:09And he is funding the football to Brock powers.
116:12That Kirk cousins touchdown to powers where he was buying some time spun around and the I forget which chiefs defender.
116:18It was, was like staring at them. Couldn't believe his eyes.
116:21Uh, I thought that play was, was awesome. Uh, I will say real quick on the running backs.
116:26They're really low on that bottom left quadrant and a lot of the rushing metrics, you know, like once again, like, you
116:33know, it's, I think everyone's kind of a little bit at blame here.
116:37I think that Gentry made some nice plays and other plays just couldn't fully hit the hole.
116:42Um, uh, so yeah, I think he's going to be a totally fine pick.
116:46He's the RB 10 and RB three usage. So the usage is there.
116:50Uh, we just, we're waiting for the big explosive plays from him.
116:53He caught that one ball and, and got to the corner.
116:56Uh, but you know, he's, he's, he's the only outlier at running back when terms, in terms of like my models expected
117:03points and how many points are actually scoring right now.
117:06So just waiting for more data, I guess. Yeah.
117:08And you know how they opened the game in the first three series, as I talked about on Sunday, it was nine
117:15snaps for one, nine snaps for the other. And so some assumptions were made that, Hey, is that because, you know, they
117:21wanted Mike Washington to get more of the rushing work and then Ashton Gentry still recovering from this ankle and all that type of stuff.
117:28But obviously in the second half, uh, it was a lot more Ashton Gentry.
117:32So maybe that's a tell that we'll get that more.
117:35So moving forward. I just simply wanted to end on Kirk cousins.
117:39Uh, you pointed out he's making some plays. I think he leads the NFL in touchdown passes right now with 11.
117:45Um, so far over the last three weeks, the quarterback 10, the quarterback 11 and the quarterback four, the first week against
117:51the dolphins was the only week he did not throw down the field.
117:55We know this Clint Kubiak offense. You have to throw it on the field and you do it very successfully.
118:01I mean, are we in territory with bi-week villains for Bryce young and Patrick Mahomes?
118:05Are we in bi-week fill in territory here with Kirk cousins with how he's playing right now?
118:10Um, the Raiders are predicting for 21 points this upcoming week in new England, you know, so that's 20th and Kirk comes,
118:17you know, he's running more than he has before, but he's not running at all like for actual fancy points.
118:23So, you know, uh, I would say no, not, not in this matchup.
118:26Okay. I mean, I would also say that Kansas is at home, but the Kansas city chiefs defense is better than the Patriots one.
118:33And he just posted quarterback four week on that.
118:36So it's, uh, he's playing good football. I mean, it's very Kirk cousins of, I'm going to hit my back foot and
118:42let it rip and we'll see where the football goes, but, uh, he's decisive.
118:46He's playing good enough to keep Fernando on the bench.
118:49Let's talk about LA chargers. Again, we could talk a lot or we could talk a little about the chargers.
118:55That's where they are at this moment. Um, I kind of want to go into the, some fantasy narratives here real quick.
119:02Like there's been a lot of love for Keaton Mitchell this week.
119:05I would love to get your thoughts on it.
119:08I know that the backfield is split split three ways.
119:11I know that Keaton Mitchell is up to about 45% of backfield touches, but just overall, I do not see this getting
119:17to the point where Mike McDaniel builds a rushing attack around Keaton Mitchell.
119:21And also to the point where the team environment is good enough for us to want to start Keaton Mitchell every single
119:27week, especially with now this Ray Sean Slater, massive injury.
119:30Yeah. The Ray Sean injury, the lad McConkie injury on top of it, you know, like they're going to be bottom five
119:37ish and projected points, I think for the next couple of games here.
119:40So, you know, that's the starting point. The second starting point is Kamani Vidal is playing on pure passing situations like late down snaps.
119:47And he was getting some, some run early in that game.
119:51And then Omar and Hampton gets the goal line carry in this one, even though they were down a couple of scores late in that game.
119:58So it's an uphill battle, like five different ways for Keaton Mitchell.
120:02All that said, he was the RB 29 in usage in week three, and then the RB 26 in usage last week against the bills and the Seahawks.
120:10So like he should be very close to Omar and Hampton in weekly rankings.
120:14Moving forward, Hampton's more likely to score a touchdown.
120:17And I mean, at this point, more likely to catch some passes and maybe rip an explosive like that does feel like it's Keaton Mitchell.
120:24You ultimately just don't want either one of them in your fantasy lineup.
120:28So. Correct. Like I keep mentioning, hey, Trey Harris could be a nice ad because of this lad injury, because he's just
120:34out playing Quentin Johnson, I feel like. And then you look at the schedule and you look at the projected totals and
120:41yeah, it's about 17 and a half each and every game.
120:44And how would you want to? And, you know, that's before these offensive line injuries.
120:48So like, how would you want to invest in in that team at this point?
120:52Okay. Anything on the LA Rams? Again, very straightforward here.
120:55We got Pukunakua back. Hey, you know, on this show, we love to talk about our death league.
121:01I think it is now three straight weeks who the person that either had or added Pukunakua to their roster has been
121:07killed off in our Yahoo death league. You and I are still at it.
121:11Hey, that might be the fourth. We'll see. Yeah.
121:14Well, I have $11. So it's not going to be me.
121:17Most likely. The Pukunakua stuff is very challenging because he's awesome.
121:20And at the same time, he has a pre-hernia, which means that he's got a partial hernia, which means he's, I think,
121:27kind of likely to have the full hernia. And I forget which player.
121:30Somebody just had hernia surgery and they're like, we'll see him in six weeks.
121:34I forget who it was. It's Tank Bigsby. Tank Bigsby.
121:37Yes, that's right. I mean, what are the odds he's out six weeks?
121:41Versus what are the odds he is the highest scoring player at wide receiver for the rest of the season?
121:47That's the range of outcomes on Pukunakua. I thought that he had a great game here, obviously.
121:52I didn't say that he was like, there goes the speed.
121:55So I wouldn't be surprised if he's at 85% health, but he's so physical.
121:59His ball skills are so good. He's such a focal point in the offense that he's still going to get it done
122:06as a top five fantasy wide receiver. But I would be open to selling him depending on what you're getting back.
122:12You better get some awesome players back. But the pre-hernia stuff, that is making me nervous.
122:16So that's all I got. Okay. What do we do quickly with Devontae Adams when Pukunakua is out there?
122:22I'm just looking for it because Devontae Adams was the wide receiver 62 this week at 5.2 fantasy points.
122:28He was the wide receiver 41 in week one when Pukunakua was also out there.
122:32And then in between, you know, just a cool 35 and 17 fantasy points when Pukunakua was out.
122:37This is where you guys have to smooth the lines.
122:40He was the wide receiver 10 in expected points last week, despite the pretty much like air ball in the box score.
122:47He was this close to a almost perfect pass from Matthew Stafford in the back of the end zone that hit his hands barely.
122:54And then there's another hole shot that barely was missed as well.
122:57So I went out on the recapture and I was saying that Stafford was like barely off.
123:02It was the throws particularly to Devontae Adams. It was not because he's not getting the right volume.
123:07He had nine targets last week. So there's enough for both of them to get home.
123:12They're projected for the second most points. So what to do with Adams?
123:16You play him as a wide receiver one. All right.
123:19Let's talk next about the Miami Dolphins. Uh, Ollie Gordon broke fancy football group.
123:23Think, uh, it was basically like two counterplays. Like I tried to remember them during the recap show, but it looked like the same run over and over.
123:31And while some slight differences, it was the same spot.
123:34Uh, he did pull away. He, he did create some yards on his own and it was against the Minnesota Vikings defense.
123:40Um, you know, maybe I actually thought about this afterwards of, Hey, we all think this is going to happen with Ollie
123:47Gordon because he's going to split work with Jalen Wright, which really didn't happen that much.
123:51And, you know, Devon H and who's a better player was only scoring 9.5 fancy points, blah, blah, blah.
123:57But Hayden, should we have been on the opposite end of this to the point where how often does a running back
124:03starter wind up on the waiver wire? And really no matter who that is or what the environment is, we should not
124:10blindly put money into that, but care more about that than all the other noise that's attached to it.
124:15Nope. I'm going to double down. I think that Ollie Gordon is a sell and I don't think he's going to be very fantasy relevant.
124:22Uh, first of all, Jalen Wright got the first, uh, running back, uh, carries of the game.
124:27As you can see on the chart there, uh, he ran all the guard Gordon ran seven routes.
124:33Um, so he's not going to get that part of the, uh, playbook.
124:36He was out there for 22 of 39 snaps throughout the game.
124:40I think he's an okay NFL backup. I don't think that he's going to like make the most out of his touches.
124:46And that was the first week back for Jalen Wright coming off of injury as well.
124:51Uh, and Jalen Wright was ahead of Ollie Gordon, um, uh, in like training camp as well.
124:56So I think this one is far from, uh, over.
124:59He was the RB 36 and expected points. He had two big runs.
125:03It happens. Uh, but most of the time there's not going to be big runs in this offense.
125:08And I think that both of these players are going to be in my RB thirties.
125:13Uh, and you know, if people are treating him as like a RB two moving forward, I would absolutely sell it.
125:19Anything you want to say about your guy, Chris bell, who nearly had an awesome 80 plus yard touchdown, uh, yet his
125:25right pinky toe was out of bounds. This isn't one of the offenses I haven't watched, uh, in the past game.
125:31So more on that later, I guess. Yes. And more Malik Washington, who truly is like a five for 45 player each and every week.
125:39So your PPR scam, uh, you know, by week filling that his name is Malik Washington.
125:43Moving on the New York jets. Um, you can't really talk about their offense when they have 32 plays.
125:49I will say on some level, this could potentially be the worst kind of defense.
125:53The one we talk about a lot where they give up yards, but not in huge chunks, just over and over long series.
126:00Cause they can't get stops. Uh, or that's just, you know, the Ben Johnson special.
126:04And we don't have to worry about that in other games when they don't face the Chicago bears.
126:09Yeah. Fourth fewest plays in a game, uh, in NFL history, the jets at 32.
126:14Um, good news is Braylon Allen was out there for 30 of the 32.
126:18So, yep. Yep. That's going to be enough. The floor was set last week.
126:22He was the RB 28 and expected half PPR points, 14 carries two receptions.
126:26Typically you've run literally twice as many places with the jets did.
126:30So I'm still holding the line as a rock solid RB too.
126:33Yep. But I'm, I'm right there with you. I was just going to check where the New York jets are in projected points this week.
126:40Uh, they're at 21 and a quarter against the Browns favored by two and a half.
126:45So this is your Braylon Allen spot. That is very little respect for the Cleveland Browns.
126:50Okay. I screwed up. We might do the Philadelphia Eagles near the top.
126:54I did not copy them to the top. So now let's talk about the Philadelphia Eagles Hayden.
126:58There's a lot happening. Lane Johnson today announced his retirement.
127:01I know you have some off on splits and just wins and losses overall with Lane Johnson in and out of the lineup.
127:08What are they? He had a 66% winning percentage in his career starts in the, uh, 2021 era with Jalen hurts.
127:14They won 75% of their games without, uh, Lane Johnson.
127:17They won 41% of the games, uh, over those last five or six years.
127:21They've scored 4.7 more points per game with him in the lineup than without him.
127:26Like that is almost impossible to be that good where like as a right tackle, you have that severe of on off
127:32splits, but that's partially because the quarterback and his sensitivity to pressure.
127:36And then I would say also just over the years, the Eagles like past protection plan has just been a little bit wonky.
127:42And I think this year it's gotten worse. Uh, so as I kick it over to you, my biggest thing is the
127:49Eagles have a 23% unblocked pressure rate this year.
127:51Uh, 65% of their pressures are of the unblocked variety.
127:54Uh, I was listening to the QB school, break this one down, uh, on the, the, the Hertz dropbacks.
128:00There is just not enough of a plan for the past protection and Jalen hurts doesn't set protections and the modern defenses.
128:06I think maybe the biggest thing most recently is it seems like the defenses know the past protection rules as well as the offenses do.
128:13And if you have a weakness there, they're going to just not at it for the rest of the game.
128:19So no one else is near them and unblocked pressure rate in the entire NFL.
128:24The dolphins are kind of close to them, but it really is.
128:27They're an outlier team. And I think that's for structural reasons.
128:30And that will only get worse without Lane Johnson.
128:33Yeah. Someone on the Eagles beat said that both Kevin Petula last year and Sean Manion this year have said that they
128:39can't do certain things on offense because of what the defense is doing.
128:43Uh, a great point from Deontay Lee who said, it's funny that the way Philly talks about their offense is never how
128:50you hear Ben Johnson, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, or KOC talk about their offense.
128:54Let the Eagles coaches tell it. They're only offense in football that get defensive looks that make the game inconvenient.
129:00Uh, yeah. I mean, you should dictate things. The defense should not dictate things to you.
129:04Um, it kind of goes back to, I mean, this is a year long conversation about Jalen hurts that in super bowls
129:11in pivotal moments, he's had some of his best games.
129:14But then when you have unfortunate situations and the Eagles are probably in the most unfortunate situation now than they have been
129:20versus a couple of years ago when they went on that losing streak to end the year.
129:25And, you know, Todd Bowles blitz him to death and he had no answer for it.
129:30We're just going to back in that, you know, and it doesn't feel like this one is any different than that.
129:36And it feels worse. And to me, Hayden, this is almost an end of an era steamrolling towards us where the Lane
129:42Johnson stuff that you just brought up. You have Landon Dickerson who has been fantastic.
129:46And then he sucked in week one and basically removed himself.
129:50Cam Juergens, his replacement at center now has to move to left guard.
129:53And he's been arguably one of the worst offensive linemen in the league.
129:57And now he's self-reported for a concussion. And then I think there are some other pieces where, you know, they make the A.J.
130:04Brown trade. And then Howie Roseman has been put in a position.
130:07And he's been fantastic for the last decade of building this roster to what it is.
130:12To replace pieces on defense like Nikobe Dean's gone.
130:15So Jihad Campbell pops in. Well, Jihad Campbell's not playing like Nikobe Dean was, right?
130:19Then you have at the safety spot, Reed Blankenship.
130:22Well, Makub was not playing that way either. Then you lose A.J.
130:25Brown. So you sign Mikhail or you draft Mikhail Lemon and Eli Stowers.
130:29That's not a one-to-one here. So Saquon Barkley. Well, you're not blocking for him.
130:33And he's left two games after three snaps because he's injured in both.
130:37So the wheels are coming off, you know? And when the wheels come off and bad things happen, and people in Philadelphia
130:43talk as they should, and then after kind of putting the quarterback in a bit of a bubble, now we can ask questions about it.
130:51And then that goes up to the head coach and the OC on top of it.
130:55Because the head coach and the OC, and especially the head coach who doesn't call plays on either side of the ball,
131:02is not really a problem solver right now. So what does that give you, Hayden?
131:06Where does that put Eagles right now and the rest of the season?
131:10I think the season's largely a wrap. I think they're too good to completely kind of fall out of the picture.
131:16But they're at best a wildcard team to me.
131:19And I think that Nick Ciarani is not going to survive until 2027.
131:22Hayden Roseman gets really aggressive. And I think that he's realizing what he has at head coach right now.
131:28And looking at the Jalen Hurts contract, they could get out of his contract this offseason.
131:33They wouldn't be saving that much money. They would be eating like $42 million or so.
131:37But in the modern NFL, teams have shown that they can do that.
131:41And 2027, that's his last year where he's actually on the roster for sure.
131:45So I think it's well said. This is the end of the era.
131:49Brandon Graham, Lane Johnson, Kelsey, all those guys are out of there.
131:52The trenches is a completely new era. And I think that how he builds through the trenches, and I think that he's
131:59realizing everything beyond the trenches, they have to kind of start from scratch.
132:03And I think that's going to be for sure at head coach and play caller.
132:07And then I think maybe even Jalen Hurts is kind of, this could be the last season that they really look at him as the franchise player.
132:15And don't get me wrong. Windows to win are real.
132:18And they won in this window. You know, they've been fantastic.
132:21Yes. But they aren't immune to it. Now, at the same time, someone of Howie Roseman's caliber, who's kind of already done
132:27this in the past too, that can turn around in an offseason or two.
132:32We have seen that across the league as well.
132:34So I'm not saying an end of the window means that the team is going to stink and suffer for long.
132:40I just think that some of the headline pieces are going to move away as we go through this.
132:46Like you said, Howie gets aggressive. Speaking of replacements, is your read that Will Shipley comes in here and is the lead ball carrier for the Philadelphia Eagles?
132:54It is my read. But I think the problem with that is the Eagles are projected for 17 and three quarters points against Jacksonville.
133:01And, you know, if Saquon Barkley... But it could be a multi-week thing.
133:05You know, like... Yes. The Saquon hamstring looked awful.
133:07He could barely walk on it. So I understand the matchup against the Jaguars is horrific.
133:12And it's a seven and a half point spread at this point.
133:16But Will Shipley is one of these players who came into the league as mostly a passing down guy.
133:21You and I have joked that he looks bigger in the NFL than he did in college.
133:26He does. He's, I don't think, had more than 10 carries in a game.
133:30But I would like to think that he will own the backfield in comparison to Damian Pierce and Jaden Blue here.
133:36Yeah. I mean, no one has trusted Jaden Blue ever.
133:39And Damian Pierce is, you know, Damian Pierce at this point.
133:42So I think it's very clearly going to be Will Shipley.
133:46And he got the ball a lot in college in all phases.
133:49So I think it's kind of one of those where, like, this will be the best two weeks of his career and, like, the most involved he'll be.
133:57And he handled the ball at Clemson a ton.
134:00So I think they're going to live and die by it.
134:03I think the offensive line is completely smoked. Like, I don't know what Cam Juergens is doing out there for a lot of those snaps.
134:10Yeah. And, you know, they've already replaced. Like, they had to move him to left guard to get the second string or really the third string center in.
134:19And then, no, second string. And now they have to get either the third string center in or the third string left guard in.
134:26And then also the second string right tackle, who's Markel Bell.
134:29And he's a massive human being. But there's going to be some ups and downs there for sure.
134:34Yes. Yes. But with the backup center, they failed a tush push.
134:38And then they also had a fumbled or a bobbled exchange in short yardage.
134:42So, like, going to the backup center, like, making some pretty critical errors for the Eagles.
134:46And they lost that game because in short yards, they couldn't pick up first downs.
134:51Let's talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are the second best team when going under center this year.
134:56Now, again, we're not talking about number of snaps there.
134:59But anything you want to say here on the Steelers and what they look like outside of Jalen Warren owning that backfield?
135:05You know, I was going to bring up Jalen Warren.
135:08He's been awesome as the starter. He doesn't come off the field.
135:12I saw a report that they're going to get Rico Dowdle back involved once he comes back.
135:17Like, you know, it's not going to be the same split as it was.
135:21Like, you cannot watch these two players and think that they deserve equal touches.
135:25So, yeah, I think Jalen Warren's good at football.
135:27And then I think the offensive line is in a better place now than it was, like, in the first week or two of the season.
135:35And I think that's going to help everybody. Yep, I agree.
135:38I'm at the point, well, in one of my leagues, I have to start DK Metcalf on a weekly basis.
135:44He is the wide receiver 35. He's a roller coaster.
135:47But again, with the offensive line improving, he's been, you know, had two nice weeks at 10.6 and 14.
135:52Yes. Fancy points per game over the last two.
135:55I mean, he is clearly their best wide receiver.
135:58The Roman Wilson stuff is off and on, off and on, in that, you know, in week three, he has the tip
136:04that leads to an interception and then he's benched for Jeremy Bernard and Harry pops back.
136:09And he's one of these, like, small dose players that when he gets targeted on the field, it's big explosives.
136:15So it's almost a thorn in our side for someone like DK Metcalf.
136:18Yeah. Um, I don't think he's involved enough to, to trust.
136:22Um, but I will say like the Michael Pittman stuff, like nobody has ever like spoken positively about Michael Pittman in Pittsburgh
136:28so far, which is like so strange to me because Indianapolis absolutely loved him and he's a veteran and stuff.
136:34So like, I don't know what's going on with, with all that, but, um, yeah, I'm not doing the Roman Wilson stuff.
136:40Okay. San Francisco 49ers. I mean, I almost want to lead off with maybe the best fantasy pickup so far this season
136:47after week one, Debo Samuel is the wide receiver 15 on the year.
136:51Uh, getting pieces of offenses was, you know, somewhat cheap.
136:53It's gotten more expensive and yet he was the cheapest.
136:56He was totally free for all of you. And, uh, he's going to be playing a lot of snaps because they are
137:03rotating with Mike Evans and the rib and Debo Samuel on a snap count.
137:07And they just don't have that many bodies out there.
137:10In fact, they lost Kyle. You check for a bit of time here too.
137:14Yeah. He's cleared 15 fantasy points in three or four games.
137:17Um, he kind of does it in new ways every single week on top of that.
137:22Uh, yeah, I think that he's, he's running really pure, obviously on, you know, you score an ADR hook and ladder touchdown,
137:28like things, things are going well, but, uh, the 49ers still haven't allowed a sack.
137:33So, you know, that's a lot of dropbacks that are converting to fantasy points.
137:37Uh, and Brock Purdy is playing well. Shannon is absolutely in his bag.
137:40Um, and you know, everyone else is playing, playing through stuff and Debo, Debo Samuel is like healthy right now.
137:46Yes. Big agree. I mean, we haven't said anything about CMC or Brock Purdy.
137:50They are easy, easy starts on a weekly basis.
137:53And George Kittle is the same exact thing. One of the best values in drafts this summer.
137:58Uh, Seattle Seahawks are next. Um, they was reported that they were going to sign Joe Mixon to the practice squad and
138:04Joe Mixon is not joining this team's practice squad.
138:07So Hayden, I think you kind of could have viewed him as maybe some insurance until Zach Charbonnet came back.
138:13But this only adds to the Emmanuel Wilson work.
138:15Moving forward, a guy that got four targets in week four, including two design screens, and then an escort screen on top of that too.
138:23Yep. I mean, this is what a top 15-ish fantasy running back looks like.
138:27He was RB 15 exactly in expected fantasy points last week.
138:30And then he was better than that in the actual box score.
138:33You know, I think he's had like some moments on film.
138:37I'm not gonna say he's a great player, but he's good enough to kind of hold the line.
138:42And I think the Zach Charbonnet stuff, they'll be realistic and get him out there in about a month from now.
138:48Um, so I will have a very aggressive ranking on Emmanuel Wilson.
138:52You can only use George Halani and the ways they've used George Halani, which has been as a receiver and then a
138:58change of pace guy, like, you know, at the 42-yard line.
139:01So he's gonna get all the goal line touchdowns.
139:04And, you know, I still trust this offense. I should have brought this up when I talked about the 49ers, but these two teams are playing each other.
139:12For the 49ers and the point totals we've seen attached to them, it's different against the Seahawks defense.
139:17They're projected for fewer than 22 points. So we can use this Seahawks team to talk about the 49ers.
139:23Despite a 21 and three quarters points projection, you're still going with, obviously, Brock Purdy and George Kittle.
139:28And then CMC is a no brainer. Yeah. But what about the peripheral pieces?
139:32We have a wide receiver ranking show that I'll have to finalize my final points with Mike Evans and Debo, but wide
139:39receiver 27 right now is not that strong across the league.
139:42And, you know, like, if I'm playing Marvin Harrison in a league, then I think that Debo Samuel and Mike Evans are,
139:48like, right in that mix as well. Final note on the Seahawks.
139:52They did get, like, two legit design carries for Rashid Shahid.
139:55I'm not saying he's going to get, like, 10 running back snaps out there.
139:59But that is, if you talk about change of pace, you could not get more different in change of pace between Emmanuel
140:05Wilson and Rashid Shahid in terms of getting to the edge and the speed and catching defenses off balance.
140:11Let's put it that way. Yes. Totally agree. Two more teams.
140:14Yes. On JSN, Yahoo drafters that drafted JSN have won 62% of their games.
140:18That's the highest of any wide receiver through four weeks.
140:21That's higher than the Jameer Gibbs teams and the Bijon teams at 101 and 102.
140:25So, JSN, I mean, just, like, even with last week's down performance has just been absolutely shredding it.
140:31And especially if you were able to draft him eighth overall.
140:34Right, Hayden? Yeah. That must be a lot. Yeah.
140:37Pretty good. That was insane. Insane. Okay. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
140:39So, I went back and watched every single dropback of Jalen Daniels.
140:43And in the nicest way possible, I want to say that he was not the worst quarterback in week four and not
140:49even close to the worst quarterback in week four.
140:52I'll go as far to say, Hayden, that Jalen Daniels is kind of fun.
140:56You know? Yeah. He was ripping some passes against zone.
140:59And if Zach Robinson and these wide receivers gave him a bit more space to those pass catchers and tight man coverage,
141:05then Jalen Daniels' day would have been even easier because he was trying to fire it in there against corners that were
141:12hanging on wide receivers and they couldn't come down with passes for him.
141:16I would say I'm a fan for life with Jalen Daniels after that game alone.
141:20Like, that guy was... There were guys just draped all over him the entire game.
141:24We talked about this in previous episodes. The Buccaneers' offensive line is definitely not the best offensive line in the NFL right now.
141:31And I don't know if that's exactly coaching or whatever it is.
141:35I haven't studied it in detail enough to know that.
141:38But I would say that's been an issue. He's trying to make plays down the field in some tight windows.
141:43But that is a lot of tight windows. And I would say on the Chris Godwin, Cade Otten in particular, those two got the ball a lot.
141:51That was not a whole lot of yak moments between all those guys and some crucial drops along the way.
141:57And then I would even say Emeka Ibuka is not quite as explosive as I'm wanting him to be as well.
142:03So, yeah, I think Jalen was not the primary reason why they lost that game.
142:08I thought everyone did their part of losing that game.
142:10And he attempted a couple throws, ran a little bit on top of that.
142:15And I think he's going to be a long-term backup.
142:17I liked what I saw. What was the end-of-game sequence that they had inside the five-yard line?
142:22Okay. So you're talking about the running back situation in general?
142:26Yes. Yes. So the Buccaneers had five plays with one yard to go throughout the game.
142:30Two of them were in the two-minute drill. And those went to Kenny Gainwell.
142:34So there was other moments where it was second and one or third and one, a couple of them at the goal line.
142:41Sean Tucker subbed in for all three of those runs.
142:44He only played three snaps that game. So Sean Tucker played three snaps.
142:48They were all with one yard to go, including the goal line touchdown.
142:52And that goes to the point with Bucky Irving is now that we've kind of recalibrated what this offense is going to be.
142:58And Sean Tucker is now entering in on all the short yardage work.
143:02And Kenny Gainwell's playing in the two-minute drill. I mean, that's a difficult profile to get home for Bucky Irving.
143:08So he's going to be very low. Like, warning, he's going to be extremely low in my running back rankings this next week, kind of until proven otherwise.
143:16Yeah. Zach Robinson got on the microphone and said, I need to figure out ways to get Sean Tucker and Kenny Gainwell to football.
143:23That is not the biggest issue with your offense, my friend.
143:26I think the biggest issue with Zach Robinson is the opposite of what I brought up with Edzik earlier in terms of
143:33their zero variety in what Zach Robinson brings to the table.
143:36They've been in 11 personnel, 83, 85, and 90% of the time in three of the games this season.
143:41It's just all too predictable. And sure, he like spams emotions.
143:45He does all that type of stuff. But I'm not sure if Zach Robinson is cut out to be a play caller in the NFL.
143:52I am at that point based on what we saw last year with the Atlanta Falcons, based on what we're seeing this year with this team.
144:00The entire league is going to more diverse looks and he's not.
144:03He's kind of stuck of what this used to be.
144:06So I don't know. They were not doing their undrafted for agent quarterback that many favors from a protection standpoint.
144:12He created a lot of plays, shrugging off sacks, solving problems.
144:15And we have seen the best play callers in the NFL solve problems for their backup quarterbacks.
144:20And that certainly was not Zach Robinson. Yep. Yeah.
144:23I like Jalen Daniels. Like, he's kind of an agent of chaos and like, I'm here for it.
144:28Whole world's going to see him on Thursday Night Football.
144:31Like, I think that's kind of exciting because I doubt anyone went back and watched him in this game now.
144:37They are eight and a half point underdogs. But, you know, Jalen Daniels, I think, is going to make that one a bit more exciting.
144:44A bit more exciting than that. I think he's good enough to like make some throws against the Cowboys for like pretty bad secondary right now.
144:51I agree. You know, I'm not sure if I'm going to be starting a Mecca because, but like, it's not as dire
144:58of a situation as it could have been. Yeah.
145:01I have one dynasty league where I have Lamar and Bryce Young as my quarterbacks and with, I think it's Kirk Cousins as a fill-in.
145:08So I have to make the call if I want to start Jalen Daniels on Thursday night over Lamar and anticipate him
145:14missing this game or not have a super flex quarterback in that league.
145:18So it's rough. I would go Jalen. It's rough.
145:21Okay. I think I was a Jalen. Me too.
145:23Me too. Okay. Let's close with the Washington Commanders here.
145:26Just like what I talked about with who was it?
145:29Keon Coleman earlier in the episode. If I knew that Terry McLaurin was going to miss this game, I would be scooping
145:36up Antonio Williams everywhere because he looks very, very good to my eyeballs.
145:39And I think if he played in two wide receiver sets and played over 70% of the time or let's say 70%,
145:46he would get a ton of fancy points. And I actually think that there's some hidden value here because his ADR touchdown
145:52got called back in comparison to Deami Brown and Traylon Burks having their long play stick.
145:57This is a team I've not watched yet, so I'll keep my notes.
146:01Pretty light. Yeah. Antonio Williams is like an interesting prospect, kind of an inside-outside kind of physical slot wide receiver type to me.
146:07Like, maybe a little bit better at the catch point than other wide receivers that kind of have been drafted in that range.
146:14So I'm open to it. He's one of the players that I think looks different in the NFL that he did in
146:20college in that he has more outside juice and outside speed than I was anticipating.
146:25And I kind of compared him to Tyler Boyd who was more of, you know, the power slot-ish type thing underneath type player.
146:32Antonio Williams should be good enough that I think still all of you should go out and pick him up, maybe not spend as much.
146:39But because Deami Brown and Traylon Burks are still getting like 50% to 60% of the routes and snaps here, at some
146:45point you would like to think that that's going to even out and it's going to go more towards the rookie and
146:52when it does and then when they run 11 personnel stuff and Tony Williams could be the biggest beneficiary of that.
146:58So stay ahead and get ahead on the rookie.
147:00All right, let's close out the show. Let's close out the show.
147:04Thank you all for tuning in. This has been a long episode.
147:07I can tell. Thank you all for watching. We have rankings episodes tomorrow and on Friday with a top five fantasy football ranker in the world.
147:15Hayden Winks right now. Let's get to four and three and two and one by the end of the season and you
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