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32 Teams. 32 Fantasy Football Facts to BULLY Week 5

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2 hr 28 min
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Estimated from transcript
Oct 7, 2026
Published
Wed, October 7, 2026
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Chuba HubbardBrian RobinsonBryce YoungJeremiyah LoveMarvin Harrison Jr.A.J. BrownAaron JonesAlvin KamaraAmon-Ra St. BrownBijan RobinsonBo NixCarnell TateChris OlaveCJ Donaldson
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A.J. Brown

NegativeInjury51:27

AJ Brown will eventually return from his high ankle sprain, but it's unclear what he'll be when he does. Matt Harmon notes the Patriots have a favorable schedule (Bears, Dolphins, Packers) in the next few weeks where the defenses can be thrown on.

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Aaron Jones

NegativeMatchup60:00

Aaron Jones gets a break just when he needs it; the Vikings rushing offense faces a favorable schedule with Saints, bye week, Colts, Lions, and Bills—all defenses that cohesive and good offenses should be able to figure out. This gives the Vikings a longer leash to work things out.

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Alvin Kamara

NegativeProjection0:19

Alvin Kamara had a shameful good fantasy game against the Falcons with 13.9 expected half PPR points (RB8 last week) on just seven carries; this was not a good performance from a running back perspective, as the Saints' run game is brutal and Kamara's fantasy value is being propped up by receiving work rather than efficient rushing; he's a sell-high candidate given the Saints' offensive line injuries and upcoming difficult schedule (Minnesota Vikings).

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Amon-Ra St. Brown

PositiveUsage29:00

Wide receiver five on the season for the Lions. Tied with Teddy McMillan for fourth in routes run. The Lions offense is pass-heavy due to defensive limitations and roster state, and St. Brown is one of the metronomes of this offense alongside Sam Laporta. Expect consistent involvement.

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Bijan Robinson

PositiveProjection0:46

Bijan Robinson is the running back two and running back five through four weeks, establishing himself as a high-volume fantasy asset in the Falcons' high-flying scoring environment; the Falcons' concentrated offensive scheme funnels the ball to three primary players, with Bijan receiving consistent touches and usage.

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Bo Nix

NegativeProjection70:00

Nix is not pulling the trigger on open throws downfield; he has a massive cavity over the middle of the field but checks down instead. He doesn't move well at all right now, possibly due to ankle surgeries; he has fewer scrambling yards than Drew Locke, Jameis Winston, and Jack Strand despite those guys barely playing. He's not comfortable in the pocket and gets to checkdowns too quickly. This is a long-standing problem—he's always been too quick to the checkdown. He has 6.3 rushing yards per game (QB23), dragging down his overall performance.

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Brian Robinson

PositiveRole0:49

Brian Robinson has emerged as a sustainable fantasy asset with real standalone value beyond handcuff status; he's a power runner and downhill player who hits the hole and gets north, benefiting from an offensive line that has been performing well in both run blocking and pass protection; over the last two weeks, the Falcons have rushed for 451 yards, second only to the Bears' 335, and Brian Robinson has accumulated more fancy points per game than Jeremiah Love at this point.

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NegativeProjection0:54

Brian Robinson is likely a low-end flex play moving forward, similar to Blake Corum rather than Kyle Menungai; he's not always subbing in for the goal line role, but when he's out there, the Falcons keep him out there; he's being used in the first half to keep Bijan Robinson fresh and avoid overloading him with 30 touches per game; in bye weeks, he's a viable flex option.

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Bryce Young

PositiveProjection0:18

Bryce Young has been balling, which is the primary driver of Chuba Hubbard's fantasy success; the Panthers' offensive line has been performing well, supporting the offense's improved performance.

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PositiveProjection19:50

Buying Bryce Young as a fantasy starter at quarterback. He leads the NFL in passing yards despite facing more quick pressures than any other QB; first in 13 completions of 25+ yards and 55 completions of 10+ yards. Averaging nearly nine yards per throw, showing elite downfield accuracy. The offense is well-constructed and balanced under Brad Edzik, who is in sync with Young similar to the Ben Johnson-Jared Goff dynamic. Young has grown individually in pocket comfort and decision-making, and the catch radius of his receivers has doubled. Ranked as a top-5 to top-10 quarterback in real life and fantasy.

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Carnell Tate

PositiveBreakout62:50

Tate was WR11 in Week 4 with a 29% target share on the season—only rookie receivers with higher target share through four weeks are Puka Nakua and Jamar Chase. He showed strong separation skills, settles in zones well, gets open at all three levels, and is not just a static X receiver; he's been off-ball about 38% of snaps with clean, crisp route work. All 12 of his targets were five yards or deeper, showing he's not manufactured touches. He's fluid, big, and can run all routes on the tree, with positive signs individually despite Cam Ward's inconsistency.

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Chris Olave

PositiveProjection0:55

Chris Olave is going to keep the Saints' passing game afloat despite the team's offensive line injuries and run game struggles; he's number two in routes run this season with 182 routes (behind Devon Valey's 182), ensuring consistent fantasy relevance even as the Saints become more pass-heavy.

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Chuba Hubbard

PositiveSleeper0:02

Chuba Hubbard is the running back eight on the season through four weeks with outrageous consistency, posting running back nine, 10, 12, and seven in weeks one through four; teams with Chuba Hubbard on their roster have won 56% of their games, the highest winning percentage of any player drafted around or after him; he's one of the best sleeper picks and best value picks in all of fantasy football; he was a top-15 running back two years ago on high usage, got banged up last year but regained his job by season's end, and the Panthers are showing signs of life on offense.

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PositiveProjection0:18

Chuba Hubbard's fantasy success is driven by Bryce Young's strong play; the Panthers' offensive line has been performing well with moving parts, and Hubbard is not going to come off the field very much, positioning him for a top-12 finish the rest of the season.

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PositiveProjection19:50

Expected to finish as a top-12 running back for the rest of the season; won't come off the field much. The Panthers offense is rolling primarily because of Bryce Young's improved play and the top two pass catchers (Teddy McMillan and Jalen Coker), but Hubbard is an underrated player who benefits from this offensive environment. He's versatile across all run concepts (inside zone, outside zone, crack toss) and handles pass protection well, giving him a high volume floor.

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CJ Donaldson

NegativeRole0:17

CJ Donaldson is being used by the Saints alongside Alvin Kamara and Kendra Miller; he's still getting snaps in the backfield and could see increased usage due to his pass protection ability, which is valuable given the Saints' offensive line injuries; he may end up playing more snaps as the Saints potentially shift to heavier personnel groups.

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Drake London

PositiveProjection0:11

Drake London is wide receiver one overall in target share at 35% and wide receiver one overall in air yards at 116 per game; he's the primary target for Michael Penix, who is executing under center play action and big breaking routes (crossers, overs, posts) that align with Penix's college skill set; London doesn't need the Falcons to be a top-10 offense to finish as a top-five fantasy wide receiver.

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Drake Maye

PositiveProjection50:38

Drake Maye bounced back in Week 4 against the Bills after opening the season as QB23, QB25, QB32, finishing Week 4 as QB1. He played much better by running on time and making more throws; he received better support from pass catchers like Romeo Dobbs. However, Matt Harmon cautions this is not a 'fixed' offense—the Patriots still have offensive line issues and Maye threw a low pass that was batted up for an interception.

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Isaac Nauta

PositiveRole30:00

Getting into the mix for the Lions offense, providing another vertical element that clears space for other receivers. While this adds another mouth to feed for fantasy, it allows the Lions to get more vertical looks and potentially helps Jameson Williams run quicker crossers.

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Isaiah Likely

NegativeUsage46:47

Isaiah Likely received multiple targets in the Giants game but faced some poor ball placement from Jameis Winston, including throws into coverage and passes that missed him by five yards. He held the line and got a bunch of targets, but the quality of quarterback play limits his upside.

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J.K. Dobbins

PositiveBust70:51

Dobbins is among the worst in the NFL in success rate and doesn't catch passes. He played fewer early-down snaps than RJ Harvey in Week 4, and Tyler Bidde even got a carry before him. The Dobbins stuff is officially cursed; he's not going to be a league winner and at best might be a mediocre flex play. If you want to be aggressive, drop him.

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Jahan Dotson

PositiveUsage0:12

Jahan Dotson had a nice route on a touchdown reception on a post route against the Saints; he was one of two completions for 68 yards on post routes for Michael Penix in that game, showing he's part of the Falcons' big breaking route attack.

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Jalen Coker

PositiveProjection20:00

One of the top two pass catchers driving the Panthers offense. Will be a complete baller in fantasy for the rest of the year. Hopefully returns after the bye week fully healthy, which would bring the offense to another level. Can play X receiver and slot, giving the Panthers two legitimate receivers who can line up anywhere.

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Jameis Winston

NegativeProjection46:47

Jameis Winston's arm strength is diminished and his decision-making is concerning; he's waiting a tick too long, leading to past breakups and inaccuracy. Matt Harmon notes Winston's arm is 'shot' and 'done,' and while he gives his receivers chances, the ball leaves his hands without confidence or momentum. Against the Cardinals' 31st-ranked pass defense, Winston looked better than he is, and a better defense would have exposed him significantly more.

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Jameson Williams

PositiveProjection30:00

Wide receiver 45 on the season but wide receiver 33 in usage, suggesting he's performed worse than his usage would indicate. He's typically a model dunker and should regress positively. Last week faced Caleb Evans on almost every target and had three comeback routes for receptions, a screen, a quick out, and a deep pass going into halftime. This is a start-everybody week against Arizona (Lions vs. Cardinals), and Williams should be included in that. Neither team has made a stop all year and both can put 30 points on the board.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveProjection70:39

Waddle has a 21% target share but is WR37 in expected points and RB20 in half-PPR scoring despite 10 catches, showing his production is more up and down than desired. He's not getting as many go balls and big crossing routes; he had two screen receptions but dropped one of the few go balls he did get. The expectations with Waddle being there have put a magnifying glass on the Bo Nix problem, which has been a problem for a very long time.

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Jeremiyah Love

NegativeInjury35:00

Suffered a right ankle injury late in week four (11 minutes remaining) when his ankle got trapped underneath him on a handoff. Played the next snap but was visibly in pain, punching the ground and kicking his right leg trying to loosen it. Did not play in the final 10 minutes of the game. Post-game comments included 'this is the longest year of my life,' suggesting frustration with injury management. This is a new ankle injury on top of a preseason left ankle injury. Concerns about his availability for week five.

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NegativeRole39:26

Despite multiple goal-line opportunities in the Cardinals' final 13-play drive, Love did not enter the game when Tyler Algier could have been substituted; Matt Harmon suspects injury-related reasons for the benching.

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Jordan Addison

NegativeRole57:27

Jordan Addison is getting shoved off his routes and Kyler Murray is staring at him, causing plays to break down; he also had an incomplete pass that was thrown a little high. This is who Addison is—he's small and not an elite technician—and even against the Dolphins' defense, both he and Murray are showing their worst impulses.

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Justin Jefferson

NegativeInjury59:19

Justin Jefferson is out and the Vikings have a bye in Week 6; they may hold him out again. Without him, TJ Hockenson will see heavy usage on stick concepts.

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Juwan Johnson

PositiveProjection0:08

Juwan Johnson is the tight end four on the season and was drafted much closer to tight end 20, representing significant value; he's the tight end five in expected points and has been at least tight end 14 in usage in all four games this season, providing a floor; in 15 games with Tyler Shuck, he's averaging 10 half PPR points, which equates to tight end seven production; he should be played until week nine when the Saints' situation potentially changes.

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Kendre Miller

NegativeRole0:08

Kendra Miller is a goal line option for the Saints but had an inexcusable fumble early in the game against the Falcons; he could still be a factor in goal line situations, though Alvin Kamara remains the primary back.

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Kyle Pitts

NegativeRole0:33

Kyle Pitts is not part of the Falcons' offensive equation at this point; he's not even playing full-time snaps, making him a non-factor in the concentrated three-player passing game despite the Falcons' high-scoring environment.

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Kyler Murray

NegativeProjection56:42

Through seven quarters of play, Kyler Murray's passing game hasn't been figured out; he's turning down open throws downfield and staring at receivers like Jordan Addison when they get shoved off their routes. The Vikings offense is moving the ball with quick throws to TJ Hawkinson and scene passes rather than anticipatory throws deep and over the middle—'the worst version of what you would think it was going to be.' This mirrors Murray's worst impulses from his last two years in Arizona.

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Malik Nabers

PositiveProjection45:29

Malik Nabers delivered his best performance of the season against the Ravens, showing improved separation on downfield routes and demonstrating his wide catch radius; Matt Harmon upgraded his film grade to his best of the year. Despite Jameis Winston's poor play (including a lofted pass that hung in the air for three seconds), Nabers is giving both separation and catch-point production.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

PositiveRole40:18

Marvin Harrison Jr. drew two defensive pass interference calls (one near goal line, one in end zone) and had significant red-zone involvement in the Cardinals' final drive; Matt Harmon believes he needs to win contested catches like late-career DeAndre Hopkins and will have red-zone opportunities, especially if the run game struggles. Harmon is starting him in the expert league and views this as potentially his best game of the season against the Lions.

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NegativeRole67:17

Harrison is primarily the X receiver but not exclusively; the Titans move him around and get him in favorable looks. He had a drop in Week 4, but his receiving technique is aesthetically pleasing with extended hands and full frame. He's comparable to Carnell Tate in that he's not super explosive on tape but is fluid and big and can run all routes on the route tree.

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Michael Penix Jr.

PositiveRole0:27

Michael Penix is executing a dramatically different offensive scheme under Kevin Stefanski than he ran in college or his first two NFL years; he had six pass attempts under center play action in his first two NFL seasons combined, but had six against the Packers and eight under center attempts against the Saints, showing significant adaptation; he's operating with over 65% clean pocket rate and is pushing the ball downfield with first reads often to Drake London.

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Michael Wilson

PositiveUsage40:06

Michael Wilson received 30 targets over the last two games combined; in the Cardinals' final drive down six points at the five-yard line, he was targeted on first down, second down, and fourth down in a row, demonstrating his importance to the offense despite none connecting. Matt Harmon notes Wilson's film has been 'really, really awesome' and he's at his best when deployed outside on the ball against press man coverage.

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Najee Harris

NegativeRole50:03

Najee Harris got early snaps against the Ravens but fumbled and was benched for the last 10 minutes; he was also subbed in for a two-point conversion when Cam Saquon Barkley was on the field for a touchdown. This usage pattern creates uncertainty about the backfield split heading into Week 5.

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Rhamondre Stevenson

NegativeUsage55:25

Ramondre Stevenson was RB22 in usage last week but has been RB35 in usage over the three games with Travion Henderson; he's not moving the needle. Matt Harmon notes neither Stevenson nor Henderson are getting enough volume to be must-starts, though Stevenson's goal-line usage should rank him higher.

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RJ Harvey

PositiveUsage70:46

Harvey got 10 catches in a single game, which is a big indictment of where Bo Nix is right now. He leads the NFL in yards off a catch and played more early-down snaps than JK Dobbins in Week 4. He's among the better options in the Broncos backfield despite not being a plus rusher; he has decent success rate in underlying numbers. Harvey should be ranked ahead of Dobbins going forward.

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Romeo Doubs

NegativeUsage50:52

Romeo Dobbs made several awesome plays at the catch point, including a one-handed fade route for a touchdown on a skinny post; he ran a go route on 27% of his routes. Matt Harmon notes Dobbs is running more in-breaking routes than early in the season and was 'really, really productive' with the Packers in 2025, suggesting the Patriots are gaining grasp of his personnel. He's best used on outcuts.

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Sam LaPorta

PositiveProjection33:00

Tight end five on the season and tight end three in usage. Last week had 23.6 expected half-PPR points, the most by any tight end all season. Being used differently than other tight ends with three-by-one red zone sets where he's isolated on the right side. The Lions are dropping back frequently and consistently score 30+ points per game. Laporta versus George Kittle for tight end three rest of season is a very live debate. One of the best picks in rounds six to eight, standing out over busted wide receivers and running backs.

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T.J. Hockenson

PositiveUsage58:30

TJ Hockenson is being used heavily on quick throws and scene passes where Kyler Murray doesn't have to read the defense; he's getting pre-snap throws and hitches. Matt Harmon expects Hockenson to continue producing 'scam production' this week if Justin Jefferson is out, as the Vikings will pepper him with stick concepts.

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Tony Pollard

NegativeProjection66:54

Pollard is RB31 at this point with RB14 usage in usage leagues, but the usage hasn't translated to fantasy production. Despite the Titans' improved offensive line play, Pollard has not been effective.

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Tyler Allgeier

PositiveValue35:00

A perfectly solid NFL back who could see increased work if Jeremiah Love misses time due to his ankle injury. Not being talked about as a waiver wire candidate, but could be a sneaky pickup if Love's injury keeps him out. The Cardinals may need to manage Love's workload carefully given his injury history.

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Full transcript

Episode Transcript

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0:00Oh yes! Welcome to Stats vs Film. This is the flagship program.
0:03You know what we did. We watched every single game from week four, then looked at the underlying metrics, the spreadsheets, the
0:10stats, and then progressed that over to week five to help you bully and defeat your league mates and get that W.
0:16To help me do that today, Hayden Winks, Matt Harmon.
0:19You guys know the core of this episode. We go through the 10 headline teams at the top, namely the two primetime
0:26games we haven't discussed yet, and then we go in alphabetical order.
0:29After that, and Hayden, four weeks is a very long time, and it already feels like we've had some Jekyll and Hyde
0:36teams, and we have to kick that off with the Atlanta Falcons.
0:39Maybe the most Jekyll and Hyde team of all time through the first four games of an NFL season since Michael Pinnock took over.
0:46Bijan Robinson is the running back two and running back five.
0:49Brian Robinson is the running back 19 and running back eight.
0:52Is this a high-flying fantasy scoring environment? I think it kind of is.
0:56I think the Falcons' defense is going to be more middle of the pack.
1:00Their secondary, I think, is still gettable, and this is the NFC South, which we're talking about like the carnival division out
1:07there, and the ball is just funneled to, it's more or less three players.
1:11I'll include Brian Robinson in that, but 14 games with Michael Penix, Drake London is a wide receiver three.
1:16On wide receiver one overall target share at 35%.
1:19Wide receiver one overall air yards, 116 per game.
1:22And then B. John, the stats are incredible. And to me, like the one thing that we just have to get right
1:28at this point is what do we do with Brian Robinson?
1:31Like, is he Kyle Menungai or is he Caitlin Black?
1:34And I think that's kind of the range I'm trying to figure out, Matt.
1:38Well, speaking of the Bears, I mean, they have 335 rushing yards from their running backs over the last two weeks.
1:44That is second to the Atlanta Falcons who have 451.
1:47I mean, the production from the running backs the last two weeks is absolutely outrageous.
1:52And, you know, I've always thought that Brian Robinson is not just some dud.
1:56He's a nice player. He's got he's got a specific set of skills, right?
2:00He's a power runner. He's a downhill player. He hits the hole and he gets north.
2:05And, you know, the route or the rushing chart here is exactly right.
2:08You know, there's going to be a little bit bouncing to the outside, but for the most part, we're downhill.
2:14We're going forward and he's been able to do that.
2:17And, you know, for a guy like B. John Robinson, it's nice to have a breather player in the backfield.
2:23I think Brian Robinson, there's some sustainability to this.
2:26These are the best picks in fantasy, right guys?
2:28These ones who have the sustainability as one of the best handcuffs, but also real deal standalone value.
2:33And I'm kind of starting to buy into the fact that Brian Robinson has some of that because I think this offensive
2:40line, Josh, has been kicking butt up front. A hundred percent.
2:43I'm about to blow some people's minds and also frustrate some others.
2:47Brian Robinson has more fancy points per game than Jeremiah Love does at this point.
2:51I mean, it goes to show how different these last two weeks have been on top of that.
2:56I kind of just want to zoom out on the Falcons and maybe this kind of explains everything about them because Hayden,
3:03they were the worst franchise in the NFL in the opening two weeks of the season.
3:07And then these last two weeks, they've scored over 40 points, right?
3:11I know the answer. I don't have to ask you like, well, what is real?
3:15It's somewhere in between. But the Falcons can't keep scoring 40 points per contest.
3:19And I think it's mainly due to some of the defenses that they faced over the last two weeks.
3:25That's fair. And I don't want to rain on people's parades.
3:28We have the Green Bay Packers who have no pass rush and had some issues in the back end, right?
3:34And then you have the New Orleans Saints who had no defensive line and Brandon Staley just allowing them to gash in the running game.
3:41And then you throw over top of them. So I guess Hayden, to your to my question is this like.
3:47How good are the Falcons going to be for the next 13 weeks?
3:51What is the core of their principles? What is their foundation with Michael Pinnock's and with Kevin Stefanski and with the Drake London and B.
3:58John of it all? I think they're going to do a lot of the under center play action stuff, which was a
4:04big kind of question mark with Michael Pinnock's going back to college.
4:08There wasn't there was a little bit more of like kind of breaking outside the pocket.
4:13A couple throws a little bit on the move there.
4:15He's still going to miss some passes with accuracy.
4:18There's two balls kind of batted down. There was a couple missed throws, but he wants to push the ball down the field.
4:25A lot of the first reads are to Drake London.
4:28So if they are probably an average offense, let's say they're around 16th and scoring moving forward.
4:33But it's literally just three guys because Kyle Pitts is not part of the equation at all.
4:38He's like not even playing full time snaps at this point.
4:41They don't have to be a top 10 offense for Drake London to be a top five fantasy wide receiver for B.
4:47John to pay off the second overall pick. And then for someone like Brian Robinson, probably to be like a low end
4:54flex play the last two weeks, 5.9 and 12.7 expected points.
4:57He's not like always subbing in for the goal line role.
5:00If he's out there, they'll just keep him out there.
5:03But they were giving him touches in the first half of the game to keep B.
5:08John fresh. You don't want to get B. John 30 touches per game to Matt's point there.
5:13So, yeah, I think Brian Robinson probably like a version of Blake Corum, not all the way up to Kyle Menungai.
5:19But if you had to in bye weeks, throw him out there as a flex.
5:23There's definitely worse as we get to the peak of injuries and bye weeks.
5:27The under center stuff is pretty nuts for Michael Penix because this was not what he did in college.
5:33It's not what he did over the course of his first couple years in the NFL.
5:37He had six pass attempts under center play action in the first two years of his career combined.
5:43He had six against the Packers. He had eight under center attempts last night.
5:47It's totally different in terms of the Michael Penix of it all, which is really encouraging to see because, I mean, you
5:53could kind of tell yourself a story where it was to a better fit in the offseason for what Kevin Stefanski would want to do.
6:00He's not a good fit for anybody. Michael Penix has been the guy.
6:04While coming off these ACL tears, it's pretty outrageous.
6:07So huge hat tip to him. And to your point, Hayden, two of two for 68 yards on post routes against the
6:13Saints last night, including to my boy Jahan Dotson, who had a pretty nice little route on that touchdown there.
6:19So, yeah, it's a very concentrated offense. Drake London is good at those big crossers, the overs, the posts.
6:25And this is what Michael Penix did with like Roma Dunze in college.
6:28He was more out of the gun for sure, but it was a lot of those passes on the big breaking routes to Rome, to Jalen Polk.
6:36So that part of it is within Michael Penix's bag, even if yes, there's no doubt he will always be a little bit of a spray quarterback.
6:44Okay. The teams that are going to slow down this offense, one, it is at least slowing down the running game.
6:50Now that's tough because as you, Matt, you pointed out how good the offensive line has been and it's not just the run blocking.
6:57It's the pass protection. And that kind of leads me to my second point where right now, Michael Penix is kind of like in his own area code.
7:06In terms of over 65% of his passes and drop X are clean.
7:09There is no pressure out there. And we have seen Penix be a very different quarterback when pressure, when not.
7:15Obviously, every single quarterback is worse, but I think his kind of falls off a cliff in comparison to others.
7:21And so again, easier said than done. But if you slow down the running game and you get pressure on the quarterback
7:27and cover more outside and force him to throw the middle, that is not where he wants to throw the football.
7:34So to me, if there are some areas of still questions and weakness, because again, these last two games have been some
7:40of the easiest defenses that he'll face all season long based on the status of some of the players that are injured for them.
7:47With that said, Hayden, I look at their schedule and it's the Ravens and the Bears over the next two weeks.
7:53They might not have to face the starting quarterback for either of those teams.
7:57So three weeks ago, those look like difficult opponents.
8:00And now they're two and a half point favorites, I believe, against the Ravens here in week five.
8:05And then Caleb Williams might not be back for the Bears after that.
8:09My goal, my kind of philosophy with the NFC South is don't get confident in any of these teams because just when
8:15you start taking the bait, it just flips on your head.
8:18So, you know, just I would be one foot in, one foot out.
8:22Yeah. Final note on this, just the cow pits of it all.
8:26I mean, this is the definition of no block, no rock when the B.
8:30John Robinson and Brian Robinson stuff is so important.
8:32This is also what year six for cow pits, year five.
8:36It's been three offensive coordinators kind of wondering what to do with him.
8:39And then it's getting to this point and he's just kind of who he is, you know, and he's even different than
8:46like Harold Fannin, who was a good player for Kevin Stefanski last year.
8:50Okay, Matt, I'm going to lead off with you on the next team.
8:53This is the New Orleans Saints. Okay. Because they're in a tough cycle right now where they not only start game slow, they start drive slow.
9:01And it can be fun and exciting and peak when it's third and 15 and they have this wonderful conversion.
9:07But that is not the world you want to live in.
9:10I don't really know what this team is supposed to do because their run game is just so brutal right now.
9:16They cannot get on track from a rush game perspective.
9:19That Alvin Kamara performance was one of the more shameful good fantasy games you're ever going to see.
9:24That's just disgusting because that was by no means a good performance from a running back.
9:29Obviously, he's still useful as a receiver. But I think this team is going to become even more of the bizarro version
9:35of itself, which is just really high pass rate.
9:38They're going to be dropping back a ton. They're going to run a ton of plays.
9:43So you can I mean, look at this. Look at this rushing chart.
9:47This is just ridiculous. Jerome Bettis ask. Seriously. Just what a funny end to Alvin Kamara's team time with this team.
9:53But anyways, yeah, I don't really know what they're supposed to do.
9:56I don't think they have a solution at the running back position.
10:00And they're dealing with offensive line injuries, which you can certainly feel when you get in these positions where Tyler Shuck is
10:06getting folded in half in very obvious past situations.
10:09That makes me nervous about him. But he's definitely willing to sit there and take a big hit.
10:14But this is going to consistently be a team that's in third and long situations.
10:18Their defense is problematic. To your point, Josh, there's they play super soft.
10:22They just allowed the Falcons to run all over him.
10:25So, yeah, I mean, I like a lot of elements of the passing game.
10:29But the fact that they cannot consistently get on base as a rushing team is going to put them in these positions
10:36where they have to kind of drop behind enemy lines and shoot their way out of problems.
10:40Their backup left tackle has a 15% pressure rate allowed, which is among the worst in the NFL.
10:46And Banks is not going to be back for a very, very long time.
10:50So with Alvin Kamara, he had 13.9 expected half PPR points.
10:53That makes him the RB8 last week. That was just on the seven carries.
10:57He was out there on the plays before those goal line attempts.
11:01So it's not like they were subbing him in.
11:03I do think that Kendra Miller could still be a factor in at the goal line.
11:08Kendra Miller did have a really inexcusable fumble in this one earlier in the game.
11:12But at the same time, Kamara is not playing in passing situations all the time.
11:17They still they're still using that CJ Donaldson kid on top of it.
11:20So I think he's going to be like a flex play because he's going to catch, you know, four or five passes
11:27just because how much they drop back. And he is a goal line option for them.
11:32But if you can sell high on Alvin Kamara with the state of their offensive line right now, I think that's probably
11:38the smart play, especially when they got the Minnesota Vikings.
11:41Like all these issues that we're talking about not being able to run the ball and then just all the pressure that
11:47they're under that just gets tripled when you're facing Minnesota.
11:50So I would say kind of sell high on Alvin Kamara and probably same thing for Juwan Johnson.
11:55But they still got Chris Olave, and I think that's going to keep him afloat.
12:00Yeah, I'm a bit nervous that this thing's going to spiral a little bit like Troy Aikman's comments released it out to
12:06me that quote brain and just doesn't have the answers for the Falcons offense.
12:10And I think he knew that when he talked to us earlier in the week.
12:15Now, Aikman tagged that by saying he didn't exactly say that to us, but maybe it was his tone or some of
12:21the words that he used or like, oh, man, we really missed those edge rushers and defensive linemen that are out.
12:27Yeah, I mean, if one, if you can't stop the run defensively, the NFL right now, that's the easy button, you know,
12:34and these teams are just going to run out the clock, long drives and then throw it over your head.
12:39And then on the opposite end, if you can't run the ball offensively and you get behind the chains and just anecdotally
12:46a low success rate team, while they are spectacular in third and 13 and third and 17 situations, you can't live there.
12:52Like you just can't do it. And on top of this, I don't want to jump to the end point, but Kellen
12:59Moore has now lost three straight to the Atlanta Falcons down there.
13:02Like that's their biggest rival. And that will quicken how long he has in New Orleans, you know, Matt.
13:08And so I don't want to put him on the clock already.
13:11But how this thing is going, it's kind of some unfixable problems they have at this moment.
13:16Luckily, I do think it's a good coaching staff that can solve some of these problems.
13:21And a guy like Donaldson might even end up playing more snaps because of his ability to pass protect, which even just
13:27underlines Hayden's point about Camara being a good sell high.
13:30I wonder if they do eventually get into more of these heavy personnel groups to try to account for the fact that
13:37they have all these offensive line injuries. And during Kellen Moore's time with the Cowboys, there were moments where they flirted with that.
13:43You just never really fully got into it because it's like the Mike McCarthy of it all, the Kellen Moore of it all.
13:50There was a lot of kind of multiple cooks in the kitchen there.
13:54I think it's a good staff. I think they're a smart group.
13:57I think they can probably try to troubleshoot this.
14:00But if they don't, man, it is going to continue to be just Chris Olave and Devon Valey.
14:05Like, can we talk about Valey for a second?
14:08He leads the NFL. He leads the NFL in routes this year.
14:11182 routes, which even if you stink, you're going to be like in fantasy consideration.
14:16If you're running 182 routes so far on the season, Chris Olave is number two.
14:20Bryce Lance is number seven. They tried to make Bryce Lance happen at times.
14:24And I don't even know if it was an intentional or they're just shuck is throwing it up and seeing what happens.
14:31But Valey is a pretty good player, man. I know he was an easy punchline because he was an older player and
14:37they traded a fourth round pick for him or whatever.
14:40But they've had a clear vision for him since he got there.
14:43He's a big slot type. He gives some effort in the run game.
14:47Solid zone beater, I would say, is Devon Valey.
14:50He knows the spots to settle down, especially can get some good leverage on outbreakers.
14:54But there's also times where it's just and again, this is going to continue to happen with the state of the offensive line.
15:01At least like three or so completions in this last game.
15:04Shuck hits the top of his drop back and just slant to Devon Valey right away.
15:09And some of those are, you know, press man coverage wins, too.
15:12Who it's the Falcons, you know, the DB, they got injuries in the DB room.
15:17But still, I think the Valey is a nice player that pretty much every time I'm going to log into my wide
15:23receiver rankings, I'm going to move him up to like wide receiver 30 or so.
15:27He's kind of a flex player at this point.
15:30The numbers are on him. He's the wide receiver 21 on wide receiver 13 usage this season.
15:35He was a full time player in week 12 last year.
15:38If you look at that split till now, he's a wide receiver 22.
15:42So that's a pretty big sample eight games where he's been very fantasy relevant.
15:46And it really is just like it's it's the amount of snaps that he's out there for the big catch radius does
15:53come into play like third and four. It's like like you said, Matt, like they'll throw it right at the numbers or right or right at the sticks.
16:01And he's a big body because I can kind of bang.
16:04And then also you have the big kind of toe tapping plays in the end zone over there.
16:09So I'm treating him as real until Jordan Tyson comes back and the reports make it seem like that's why I can be week nine.
16:16Yeah, week nine is what Adam Schefter alluded to.
16:19Again, he can come back sooner than that. But based on when their bye week is and how they slow played Jordan
16:25Tyson coming out of the draft process as well.
16:28You and I have always pointed to to week nine for that.
16:32So I guess, Matt, that leads me to this question.
16:35As Hayden said, he's around the wide receiver 21 right now.
16:38Is this a sell high window knowing that we have about four weeks left of him being, you know, the second wide receiver for this team?
16:45I'll caveat that by saying that the Saints are number two in the NFL in terms of utilizing 11 personnel around 74 percent of the time.
16:53Yeah, we're going to have to get closer to the Tyson news for me to consider him a sell high.
16:59And I think, you know, as we're seeing here, he's still weeks away.
17:03They have a week eight by the Vikings this week.
17:05There's going to be some opportunities to get those quick slants in his hand.
17:10And the Giants, we'll talk about Michael Wilson later.
17:12A lot of those type of moments for him to the Steelers run a lot of zones.
17:17So he'll have moments here. I think he's going to, like I said, every week wide receiver three that you can throw out there.
17:24And yeah, great point Hayden about the catch radius for him.
17:27He has 90th percentile arm length coming into the league, according to mock draftable.
17:31And you see that consistently. He catches the ball away from his frame, just real clean stuff.
17:36So I'm not going to call him a sell high for at least another three or so weeks here.
17:42Well, Hayden, can I ask you if Jawan Johnson is a sell high?
17:46I mean, the thing is, with maybe my pessimism about the trajectory of the Saints at this moment, maybe it's reactionary after
17:52last night, they still run so many damn plays that it doesn't matter.
17:56And all these guys get home and they're obviously very good at throwing the football.
18:00So they're all great fancy assets. But Jawan Johnson is the tight end four and he was drafted much closer to the tight end 20.
18:08Yeah, but he's the tight end five in expected points.
18:10He's been at least a tight end 14 in usage in all four games this season.
18:15So there's a floor at play. He's played 15 games with Tyler Shuck.
18:19He's averaging 10 half PPR points in those, which equates to tight end seven production.
18:23So I think the reality is no one is trading for Bayley and Jawan Johnson.
18:28So what you do is you just play them until we realize they should go to our bench.
18:33And that will probably happen in about week nine here.
18:36It's a carnival offense and we should take the dropbacks for what they are.
18:40And I think Jawan Johnson and Bayley are just underrated players on tape.
18:44And you have to be a real film sicko to understand that.
18:47And if you have them, you probably know that.
18:50And your other league mates probably don't. So I don't know what we could even trade these guys away for.
18:56Awesome points. Okay, if Jawan Johnson was the best value pick at tight end, Hayden, let's talk about the Carolina Panthers.
19:02Chuba Hubbard might just be the best value pick in all of fantasy football.
19:06He's a running back eight on the season through four weeks.
19:09The consistency is outrageous. Weeks of running back nine, 10, 12, and seven.
19:13So, so often we talk about the roller coaster at these positions and how you can get like running back 20 week and then running back five week.
19:21No, Hayden, this is a top 12 guy. Every game so far this year.
19:25Uh, teams that have Chuba Hubbard on them on Yahoo have won 56% of their games.
19:30Uh, no player drafted around him or after him has a higher winning percentage.
19:34He's been by far the best sleeper pick out there.
19:37I think he's one of the best picks. And to me, this one was, I think kind of easy to see coming.
19:43I don't think people realize that just two years ago, he was a top 15 running back on like really, really high usage.
19:50Last year, he got banged up, lost his job because of that, but did gain his job, uh, by the, the, the final game of the season.
19:58And the Panthers were showing some signs of life on offense.
20:01So I think those ones were going to ride this one to like a top 12 finish the rest of the season here.
20:08He's not going to come off the field very much.
20:11But to me, the big reason why Chuba Hubbard is all of a sudden smashing in fantasy is just because Bryce Young has been balling.
20:18Like it's, it's kind of as simple as that.
20:21The offensive line has been performing well with like a lot of kind of moving parts out there.
20:26Like I really hope Monroe Freeling is going to end up being all right.
20:30But like Bryce Young is just putting the ball right on the money.
20:34He's kind of found that sweet spot of like buying enough time, but not being reliant on that.
20:39So anticipation throws to the numbers right away. And then when you got T-Mac moving the chains, Jalen Coker moving the chains,
20:45like I find the Panthers offense to be pretty real.
20:48Uh, and I think that we're seeing like a much different version of Bryce Young.
20:53So credit to Chuba for like playing well, I think he's an underrated player, but this offense is rolling because of the
20:59quarterback right now in the top two pass catchers.
21:02Uh, and all of these guys are just going to be complete ballers in fantasy the rest of the year.
21:08Matt, I'm in like year five of doing this show with Hayden.
21:11Uh, if you told me three years ago, I would hear those words out of Hayden Winks his mouth.
21:17Uh, I, you would have told me I'm dreaming, you know?
21:20So Matt, that was poetic. I absolutely love it.
21:22We can all grow, right? We can all, uh, except Bryce Young can't grow any taller, but he can grow as a quarterback.
21:29Okay, guys. Okay, guys. We're back. We're back. I said, I said he can grow as a quarterback and he clearly has, you know?
21:36Um, also by the way, just not to, I'm not, I'm not taking anything away from Bryce Young, but over the course
21:43of Canalis' tenure here with the team, I've always really liked the design of the offense, but it always just felt like something was missing.
21:50Like there was just a, there was a, I know not, it's not, that's not perfect, Josh.
21:55Not perfect. But like, especially in the run game, I mean, you, you know, there's like Canalis is a run game sicko.
22:01They have Harold Goodwin on the staff and they run a really diverse run game.
22:06There's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of inside zone, outside zone.
22:09They'll do some crack toss stuff. It's a, and Chuba's just good at everything.
22:13Like he's just, even calling him a steady Eddie back feels disrespectful.
22:17So he can run all the concepts that you can put a ton on his plate, which is what they've done so far.
22:24Probably not changing anytime soon. Pass pro. He's just, he's good.
22:27Maybe Matt rules best draft pick. I don't know.
22:29Hard to say, uh, with the team, but, um, bringing up all the skeletons in the closet here tonight, Josh, his wife
22:36wanted to make that selection, by the way, that, that was his wife's pick.
22:40So not even his, but we can't even give Matt real credit for that.
22:44But yes, that's right. Uh, she, she did call that one in there, but no, I mean, to the, to the point
22:50though, Idzik has just pushed the right dials here to in the right directions.
22:55Uh, you're seeing a ton of stuff like downfield now it's to these big ass wide receivers on the outside, um, sale
23:01concepts, stuff over the middle of the field, getting Tedro McMillan committing to the slot with him too.
23:06And yeah, Bryce has just been great. I have, I have no negative notes, uh, on Bryce so far.
23:12He's been fantastic under pressure. Uh, and I've, I've always been like, not as Bryce positive as you, Josh.
23:17Like I haven't sent 10 tweets about him since Sunday, like you have, but, um, I definitely deserve more.
23:23It's way more than it's deserved. I'm undershooting it.
23:25I've, I've been Bryce positive, maybe not as positive as you, but like I've been open to Bryce.
23:31Okay. Well, we'll welcome you if you want. I mean, the barrier of entry is like three and a half tweets per day.
23:37If you want, um, look on the Brad's note here.
23:40So this has been the timeline of Bryce. Okay.
23:43The first year that was a disaster of a roster.
23:46I mean, I went back and looked at some of the depth charts that he had during his rookie season.
23:52If you just look at the week 13 game.
23:54So we're not even talking about like true end of season, like the heart of the year.
23:59Uh, five of those players are just totally out of the league, not by their choice.
24:04One is Adam Thielen. Two is Jonathan Mingo, who has seven catches since being traded.
24:08Ian Thomas has 24 catches in four seasons. And then you just have like DJ chart, Bradley Bozeman, Nash Jensen, Justin McRae, all these fools.
24:16Okay. And so after that, Dave Canales comes in and that is just to stabilize this situation.
24:21Okay. And sure. Bryce horrible in those first two weeks, there was no good tape out there, but they stabilized him once
24:27he was able to come back in and grow some confidence.
24:30But Matt, the point that you made to me, why I put more stock into what is happening in these four games than I do.
24:37Like the first two seasons of Bryce young is one, this offense is built for him and it's catered to him.
24:44And two, he's like finally surrounded by talent. Like that second season, it was still Adam Thielen.
24:49And then Deontay Johnson who quit on the team and refused to practice, you know?
24:53And so what we got towards the second half of last year, including the playoffs and including upsetting some big teams was
24:59Tedro McMillan, Jalen Coker, and some really good concepts.
25:02And what's been dialed up under Brad Edzik now is someone who was on the same page with his quarterback and is like pulling every level.
25:10Like every lever is out there for him to push the buttons for it.
25:14Like we always talk about certain teams and certain play callers being experts or masters in one thing.
25:19He's almost league average in just about everything, you know, in terms of personnel groupings, it's 14th, eighth and 12th from 11,
25:2512 and 13 shift in motion rate, right at league average, under center rate, right at league average, shotgun rate, empty rate,
25:32right at league average, basically three by one, two by two.
25:35That's 18th and seventh across the league. So it's showing, I think a lot of different looks out there, but running very similar concepts out of it.
25:43And to me, some of those offenses that do that are my favorites across the league.
25:47Yeah. Yeah. He's almost averaging like nine yards per throw.
25:50So they're pushing the ball down the field. Like that's a really high number.
25:54And that's, I think the best of Bryce. And when he's playing on time, making a decision pre-snap and just firing the
26:01ball, he's always been very accurate, you know, and the, the catch radius by his receivers is like doubled.
26:06And that's really helped him out. But I do think that a lot of this is just Bryce's growth as just feeling
26:13comfortable in the pocket and knowing when to buy some time and when to just throw it right away.
26:18So I think that there is an element of growth individually from him, but you know, it really helps when you have
26:25someone like Terry McMillen to throw the ball to the field.
26:28It kind of reminds me of the dynamic that Ben Johnson and Jared Goff had, where it's just, you feel these two
26:34guys are in sync play caller and quarterback. And again, Jared Goff is first overall pick Bryce Jones first overall pick, but
26:41I still think we'd all say they have some physical deficiencies and limitations, whether it comes to movement or for Bryce.
26:47Obviously we know what that is arm strength, the whole deal.
26:50But I mean, these two guys, just again, it's constantly in sync.
26:54So it's the same sort of, to your point, Josh balanced sound, well constructed offense, but you just got the guy now
27:00pushing the right levers and the right buttons here.
27:03So I, I, I'm really high on this. I think this is very sustainable.
27:07And I mean, yeah, you bring up the name DJ chart.
27:10I, it drove me crazy. It drove me crazy.
27:13You probably clearly crazier, Josh, but how many people are like, well, he runs a four three.
27:18I'm like, dude, he ran a four three a long time ago.
27:21He hadn't been around a four three in quite some time.
27:24Now they've got two guys who can legit play X receiver and Coker and McMillan, even if they do all the fun slot and move around stuff.
27:32So yeah, I'm, I'm buying Bryce young as a fantasy starter at the quarterback position.
27:37So, I mean, to me, it's pretty incredible that he has faced more quick, quick pressures than any other quarterback in the NFL.
27:43And he still leads the NFL in passing yards.
27:46He, you know, is first with 13 completions of 25 plus yards first with 55 completions of 10 plus yards.
27:52Like just imagine what he would look like if his offensive line gave him even more time, you know, gave him more space.
27:58Again, he is on an Island by himself in terms of passes and attempts that are from clean pockets.
28:04And it's the opposite direction of like what Michael Penix is doing.
28:07So hopefully that can improve as a season goes along.
28:10If maybe Taylor Moten comes back and they can move from a free lane back to left tackle or Damon Lewis comes back at left guard.
28:18They're dealing with all these injuries. So the bi-week comes at the right time.
28:22But I mean, this is a player who's on a freaking heater.
28:26Hayden, where would you rank Bryce young in terms of quarterbacks this year?
28:29Like for fantasy or real life, just in general, real life.
28:33I mean, both. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, he's been, I mean, without question, a top, a top five to 10 quarterback.
28:39I'm not sure if it's still sustainable like that, but yeah, I think this is the best.
28:44This is the best he's played, you know, by far.
28:47Yeah. I hope Jalen Coker comes back after the bye.
28:50Totally healthy. Cause that brings us to another level.
28:52Okay. Let's talk about the Detroit lions, their opposition on Sunday night, Matt.
28:56Sam Laporta is the tight end five on the season.
28:59I'm going to ask St. Brown is the wide receiver five.
29:02Jameer Gibbs at the running back one and Jamison Williams is the wide receiver 45.
29:07Is that going to sustain itself? You think I think JMO will go up after some more positive games, but it's, you
29:13know, it's always going to be a roller coaster.
29:16He's sixth in routes. I'm on our St. Brown is tied with Terry McMillan for fourth in routes.
29:21This is another team that I think is just going to have to lean extremely pass heavy because of their defense and
29:27just the state of the roster right now. I actually wonder how many more remember when Jameer Gibbs had like 30 plus touches in, in week one.
29:35I wonder how many more of those games are, are on our, on our radar.
29:40Just because I don't know if they're going to be able to consistently establish a rushing game.
29:45Um, at this point of the proceedings, because they're just going to be constantly behind the sticks.
29:50I think the offensive line has been, would you say it's been a league average unit so far?
29:55I I'm not totally sure if I would say that, uh, to date.
29:59So yeah, I think we know what the line.
30:01Yeah, I would say probably not the lions. Uh, we know what they are in terms of their metronomes are Laporta and
30:08to a greater degree, Amon Ross St. Brown. You're going to ride some variants with Jamison Williams.
30:13And I was at least encouraging to see Isaac Tesla get into the mix because it just gives them.
30:18I know it's another mouth to feed for fantasy, which is annoying, but does allow them to at least, uh, get another
30:25vertical element in there to clear space. So maybe JMO can run some of those quicker crossers because that hasn't really happened quite yet.
30:32Last week, JMO was the wide receiver 19 wide receiver 20 usage.
30:35Um, there was like three comeback routes for, for, uh, for receptions.
30:39He had a screen, a quick out, and then that huge Jared Goff, uh, pass going into halftime.
30:44That was an absolute, uh, perfectly placed ball there.
30:46So I thought he was more involved on like, you know, it wasn't all just downfield routes, uh, for him.
30:52Like obviously a large part, part of that will be, uh, downfield, but he's like staying in the mix.
30:58Like there's no way that he's going to be this bad.
31:01Um, he's the wide receiver 33 and usage and he's performed way worse than that.
31:05And he's, he's somebody that's typically a model dunker.
31:08So, and this is not the week to have any negative Jameson Williams takes at all.
31:13It's lions versus Cardinals. Neither team has made a stop the entire year and both offenses are able to put 30 points on the board.
31:20So this is a start everybody week. Uh, and that includes Jameson Williams.
31:24Yeah. I mean, he faced off against the Caleb Evans on almost every single one of his targets.
31:29It felt like, and maybe he's getting his clone against the Arizona Cardinals this week, too.
31:34So it feels like maybe we can equal what Jameson Williams put out there last week.
31:38I honestly don't have that many notes here about the lions.
31:42Cause you're, you're starting everyone else. I will say with Brad Holmes, he was on a heater when it came to building
31:48the roster and kind of going against consensus and all this type of stuff.
31:52They are going to get Brian branch and Cade Mays back.
31:55Hopefully somewhat soon. They've opened their practice windows and those are two necessary players at safety and at center.
32:01Um, I will say with the secondary, I think Brad Holmes has had some rotten luck here.
32:06Like Brian branch being injured, obviously Kirby Joseph and his career might be over.
32:10Those were two impactful starters for you at the safety spot.
32:13And then, you know, I don't think Brad Holmes could have predicted that Terry and Arnold would get caught up in an alleged kidnapping.
32:20Uh, and you know, his career go down the drain too.
32:23So like, those are three linchpins of your defensive back groups, three of the five or three of the four.
32:29And, uh, Matt, they haven't played a single snap for you this season.
32:33They cannot pass routes off in zone coverage either.
32:36It's so bad. Like just the communication, because they want to be a man coverage heavy team, but they, they do not
32:42have the talent for that at this point. So they're just completely lost in the wilderness from a secondary standpoint.
32:48But yeah, you consistently see guys, there's no communication on the backend.
32:51It's like, you're supposed to be here. It's just the passing off the routes is going to be a huge issue.
32:57So, uh, yeah, this is, as Hayden said, a get everybody in the pool, uh, type of game here.
33:03Lions and Cardinals. Josh, I got one quick note on Sam Laporta.
33:06Uh, last week, 23.6 expected half PPR points were the most by a tight end the entire season.
33:12He's the tight end three in usage on the entire season.
33:15They're dropping back like crazy. We know he's a good football player.
33:18And what was unique about him is down in the red zone, they were doing three by one sets where he was
33:25the isolated receiver on the right side. And they were throwing the ball to him.
33:29There was a fourth and five in cut for a first, first read first down as well.
33:34Um, so they're, they're using him a lot differently than a lot of the other tight ends out there.
33:40And like, this is an offense that's consistently worth our 30 points per game, uh, in terms of team total.
33:46So, you know, I think he versus like George Kittle for tight end three, the rest of the season.
33:51To me, that's a very live. And I think that he was one of the best picks you could be making as
33:57all the wide receivers and running backs kind of busted in that kind of like round six to round eight range.
34:04I think that Sam Laporta is like the guy that's kind of sticking out over everybody else.
34:09Oh, I love it. Hey, you know, we talked about all summer long.
34:12I put out way too many tweets on that, that this is the North Turner, Kevin Stefanski, Drew Petsing tree, right?
34:18And the two quarterbacks that are three, I should say that targeted tight ends the most over the last two seasons were Drew Petsing and Kevin Stefanski's quarterbacks.
34:27So it's not surprising at all to me that, uh, obviously Sam Laporta is getting involved here and hopefully it's more and
34:33more or just steady at this same exact point.
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35:18The crown is yours. Let's talk to Arizona Cardinals.
35:21Hey, there's only one place to start. This is Jeremiah love.
35:24We know in the opening two games, 32 and 30 snaps, then the 55, we were whole all expecting, you know, and
35:31hoping for, uh, and thought that that would continue now drops down to 30 snaps and barely played and actually didn't in
35:37the final 10 minutes of this game. What'd you see?
35:40Well, unfortunately late in the game, there was a handoff of 11 minutes remaining and his right ankle got trapped underneath him.
35:46He played the next snap. First of all, he would lay on the ground, like just punching the ground.
35:52And then the next snap before the play had, they were in shotgun and he was just kicking his right leg around,
35:58like trying to get it like loose, I guess.
36:01And then he ran out to the flats with like barely move.
36:04And that was his last snap of the game.
36:07And then we had the comments after the game saying like, oh, this is the longest year of my life, which by the way, awesome life.
36:15He's living. You go third overall. This is the worst it's going to get a shout out to Jeremiah love, I guess.
36:21But, uh, that's his right ankle. The preseason was the left ankle and I didn't like the way it looked.
36:27So no one's really talking about Tyler Algier as a waiver wire candidate, but I would not be surprised if he has to miss this game.
36:34Now you just never know because we're not going to get the injury reports until waivers have already cleared.
36:40But I did not like the way he got rolled up on and I did not like the way that he looked on the play after that.
36:48And I didn't like his comments on top of that.
36:51I thought before the, his injury, he didn't look quite as good as he did.
36:55Um, like, like I was in week one, week two, a couple of spin moves out there, but I think there's a
37:01couple of times turning the corner where he was like not fully himself.
37:05And then this is a new injury on top of it.
37:08So frustrating for Jeremiah love here. Uh, but I, I do have some worries maybe more than others about week five.
37:15We're way too just, um, I don't know, maybe myopic is the right way to say it when we talk about player
37:21injuries and when they're coming back from stuff that it's just this consistent ramp up.
37:25Uh, we'll talk about actually with our next team too, but sometimes it's ups and downs, ups and downs until they can get fully back.
37:33And I kind of feel like that's how it's been with Jeremiah love.
37:36Cause yeah, I watched that game back on tape, obviously.
37:39And it just, it didn't look quite the same to me, uh, just overall, especially once we get to the late portion here.
37:46And it's been pretty clear also that this team is not going to view this Jeremiah love situation in maybe a rational
37:53way or the way that we expect where it's, Hey, we took this guy third overall.
37:57We're going to give him as much work as possible.
38:00They're almost thinking about his longterm career here in a, in a way, I think with the way he's talked about it,
38:07you know, he's an, and he's a very like, we'll just call it like straight up honest guy with how he's with how he speaks.
38:14Now he communicates. It strikes me as honestly, pretty similar to the Roma dunes a thing when he talked about like, this
38:20is my new normal and everybody freaked out about it.
38:23And I think there's part of that was he, as he talks about the preservation part of it, but yeah, it's a
38:30good point about Al's year, a perfectly solid NFL back.
38:32Like if they have to get through a week or two with him, I think they're, I think they're probably fine with that.
38:39Yeah. Yeah. Hey, and you've talked about it a lot in the past that maybe this new wave of athlete is a
38:46bit more open about their injuries and maybe what they're feeling and how they're feeling and all that type of stuff.
38:52That's exactly what stood out to me, Matt, after the game, the quote, I didn't go out there and get hurt anything today.
38:58He it's about managing that workload. They keep an eye on me and manage me, keep me up and I can finish
39:05the season to your point, Matt, like when we get 26 touches in week three for the third overall pick, we think,
39:11dang, the least we're going to get is 19, 20 in any other game of the season.
39:16And when he drops down to 14, that's frustrating.
39:19But then it kind of tells you maybe the mindset, unless there is like a big injury, like you're talking about potentially Hayden.
39:26Yeah. I mean, 1030 left in the game. There's, there's a long time to go.
39:30And then that final 13 play draft to potentially win the game.
39:33There were multiple occasions when Tyler Algier could have come out and there were four plays at the goal line, Hayden, that
39:40if they wanted to get Jeremiah Love in the game, they simply did not.
39:44So that just whole situation stood out to me like it stood out to you.
39:48Yeah. I'm guessing it's injury related. So we'll, we'll, we'll figure that part out.
39:52Um, I think, uh, the other big thing is they lost Paris Johnson for the season with the torn biceps, you know,
39:59like chase Bessantis was a second rounder. Like I thought that the Cardinals offensive line was like largely kind of hanging in
40:05there, but you know, like you can't lose your star left tackle.
40:09Like that's probably, that might be the most valuable player on their entire team.
40:13Um, and he's, he's not going to be out there for the rest of the season.
40:17So I think like, that's another reason to kind of dock everybody.
40:21Um, at the same time, Matt, the, the Michael Wilson film, I think has been really, really awesome.
40:26Uh, as well, he had that great route at the top of his break, uh, for the big sideline catch.
40:32Um, and then just to show like how important he is, there was, uh, late in the game, they're down six points.
40:38It's there at the five yard line, they targeted Michael Wilson on the first down, the second down and the fourth down all in a row.
40:46Did it work? It didn't work. None of them.
40:49None of them worked, but the fact that they threw in the ball three of the four, uh, times with the game
40:55on the line, just kind of shows you how important Michael Wilson is.
40:59Yeah. He kind of got smoked on the, um, it was the pick six, uh, the route against press man coverage against
41:05Deontay banks, which is maybe not what you want to see, but yeah, the outcut the 24 yard, uh, sale off play action.
41:12That was great. Uh, that that's what he does really well at the top of the routes on the breaks there.
41:18I also think what's been interesting too, is this, I thought this Cardinals team would be very heavy and condensed.
41:24Their rate of heavy plays is actually down this year.
41:27They're pretty spread out. I'd be curious to know their average formation with, because I would, again, I would have thought this is a Rams offense.
41:34That's going to be very condensed, very tight. They've actually really spread it out, which might have to do with just what Jacoby reset wants.
41:42I don't know if they're going to be able to continue to get away with that without Paris Johnson.
41:47Cause Brissette is a pocket sloth and just wants to get the ball out really quick.
41:52He's Brissette is turning down a few too many open throws down the field for my liking, but that's Jacoby reset.
41:58That's what you're, that's what you're going to do.
42:01Um, at this point, but yeah, I did note too, about Michael Wilson to me.
42:05I think, yes, he can do all of the insert stuff, get him detached and, and, you know, run corner routes through
42:12the, through the sea gap and all of that fun stuff.
42:15But he's, I think at his best when you can just stick him outside on ball and let him win against press man coverage.
42:22And because they do spread the field with three eligible receivers, you can have Marv as an X on one side.
42:28Michael Wilson is an outside on ball player with, you know, Kendrick Bourne in the slot and a Trey McBride as a detached player.
42:35So they're doing a lot to cater specifically to Michael Wilson, 30 targets or so over the last two games combined for
42:41a guy that gave an extension to. It makes a lot of sense.
42:45Matt, the Cardinals are 32nd in total explosive play rate, uh, 32nd in rushing and 32nd in passing.
42:50Is that a LaFleur thing? Is that a Jacoby reset thing?
42:54Uh, they're too talented for, to rank that low in both categories.
42:57Yeah. I, like I said, I think there are some downfield throws that percent is just kind of turning down and, and
43:03opting for the safe throws, which, you know, it's fine.
43:06That's why they keep the train on the tracks.
43:09But I do think the coaching staff is going to keep looking at this and saying, Hey, there's a lot that we're leaving on the bone.
43:17I don't know if that's Carson Beck time at some point.
43:20It probably will be. I don't know if he's going to be better at that, but, uh, yeah, I think it's not all Brissette.
43:27There are some other issues there too. It still feels like we're not totally in sync as an offense just yet, but
43:33you know, this is, they all start with this.
43:36Like Trey McBride is really good at those underneath routes, the stick stuff.
43:40And then Michael Wilson can run these quick slants and stop routes, which again, they lean into more because of his current deployment.
43:46So I, it's part of like, that's what their two best players do.
43:50Uh, and then it's Marv on the longer slow developing route.
43:53Do you, do either of you guys have the stones to start Marv against the lions defense?
43:58I picked Marvin Harrison up in the expert league.
44:01I can guarantee it. I'm starting in the expert league, uh, because of some bi-weeks and injuries that I've been going through.
44:07Um, what a wild game it was for Marv this last game.
44:11I mean, I'm, I'm here for the rollercoaster last week's rollercoaster was pretty insane.
44:15And obviously had that like nice ball tracking fade touchdown.
44:18He did draw two defensive pass interference, one like near the goal line, one actually in the end zone.
44:23Yeah. Uh, so that, those were nice moments for him.
44:26Uh, and then at the same time, like he also got, you know, I think pretty bodied on that little, uh, quick
44:33slant, uh, in the end zone as well. But that was a lot of involvement near the end zone.
44:38And I think if you're going to be trying to maximize Marvin Harrison, I think they realize what they have with him.
44:45He's like, he needs to do like a Deandre Hopkins kind of impression, like a late career Deandre Hopkins impression and kind
44:51of winning contested catch moments, get at the top of your route and make a quick cut.
44:56I don't think there's gonna be like long-term separation from him.
44:59So I do think in the red area, especially if they can't run the ball, uh, I do think that Marv's just
45:06going to have some like opportunities down in the red zone.
45:09So, you know, I, I would understand picking him up ahead of this matchup because I think this could be his best, uh, game of the season.
45:17Yeah. The, the spreadsheets say again, that the Cardinals are the least explosive offense and that the lions are the defense.
45:23That's worst at preventing explosives. So we'll see what wins here and we've got to give in this rock fight.
45:29Okay. New York giants are up next. Matt, I care most about Malik neighbors.
45:33Uh, this is the player that you were referring to in terms of coming back from injury that we've had some ups and some downs.
45:40What was this game? Yeah, this was obviously an up moment for Malik neighbors.
45:44And I felt like an idiot, uh, talking about concerns on last week's stats versus film.
45:49Even just watching him on Sunday, I'm like, yeah, he looks, he looks great.
45:53And this is where it's going to be for a guy like this, where it's the ups and the downs.
45:59He's even talked about this. Some of it's mental too.
46:02Cause I thought week one, I would probably give it a, a B relative to context.
46:06If we're talking about the film, uh, I would say then the Titans game before that was definitely, well, definitely a lower
46:13graded game than a B if we're ballparking it.
46:15This I thought was the best he's looked all season, especially getting separation on the downfield stuff.
46:20And even just also, even when he, I mean the, the one catch, like he's doesn't even have a ton of separation
46:27there, but he just dunks on the corner. Cause he's Malik neighbors and he can do that stuff.
46:32I still don't think Jameis looks any good either.
46:35He looks horrible. He looks horrible. Um, but still neighbors is giving you both, uh, the separation moments and also the wide catch radius.
46:42So I thought for sure, this is the best I've seen from him so far this season.
46:47Yeah, totally agree. That like circus route that you see on the left side there, that was an awesome route by him.
46:53And then there was a little hitch route where he broke two tackles.
46:57And I think that was also a fairly encouraging, but on the Jameis front, I think we can be honest about, you
47:03know, that, that was a lollipop that he threw to, uh, to Malik neighbors catch so bad.
47:08It was up in the air for three seconds.
47:11It was a punt. It was a punt. That was as high as I seen a pass.
47:16Uh, and I just thought there was other moments like Isaiah likely throwing the ball into coverage or just missing by Isaiah likely by like five yards.
47:24There was, I think some really wonky decision-making and obviously James like never going to be a creator like out of structure.
47:30So, you know, it was good that these guys got home, like likely got a bunch of targets.
47:35He, he, uh, held the line there. Obviously the best Malik neighbors performance of the season.
47:40Um, so James and James is going to give his guys chances, but I can't say that the ball is leaving his
47:46hands with a lot of confidence or momentum. Um, so that makes me nervous.
47:50I'll take it up a level. His arm is shot.
47:53His arm is done. And on top of this, he plays too late.
47:57He was out of rhythm. He was waiting a tick too long.
48:01And then with his arm strength being down that led to past breakups and the inaccuracy, the bad placement also destroyed some yards at the catch moments.
48:09He escaped some sacks. I don't think he's going to be escaping those all season long.
48:13They face the Arizona Cardinals who are 31st in terms of allowing explosive plays.
48:17A better defense would have made James Winston look a lot worse in this game.
48:22So that gives me confidence. Like I saw the box score.
48:25It looked like we got our old James back.
48:27We kind of did in terms of the areas of where he was throwing the football.
48:32But Matt, like this does not leave me with confidence that this styling of an offense that sure on paper is air it out.
48:39James is going to work against average and especially not good defenses.
48:43And it still leads me to the point that we're going to see JJ McCarthy starts this year, whether you like it or not.
48:50Yeah. Mentally prepare yourself for that. Spiritually prepare yourself for that because that is definitely coming.
48:54And there was another play in this game, too, where, you know, Jameis, because you said he's going to give guys chances.
49:01He's going to live by the sword. He's going to die by the sword where he throws it up there.
49:07Malik neighbors comes down hard on that shoulder. I thought, oh, boy, here we go.
49:11That's still going to be lingering in the back of my mind that at some point that he could just get to
49:17a point where he needs to get surgery on that thing.
49:21If the Giants are bad enough, the good news is they're they're three and one.
49:25You know, they're there. As long as they keep winning, that's going to keep Malik neighbors out there.
49:30The Giants run game, by the way, not good at all.
49:3332nd in the average of the efficiency metrics. If you look at like explosive run rates, success rate, EPA, just on running back runs.
49:40So Cam Scadaboo has got to continue to score touchdowns to be in the fantasy lineups because it's the run game has been disappointing to me so far.
49:49I thought it would be a little bit better than that.
49:52I thought Cam Scadaboo had a really bad game, just like not finding the right holes on tape.
49:57There's a couple like unblocked guys that were hitting him as well.
50:00He always seeks contact. That's what that's what it is.
50:03It was a wild game, though, that Najee Harris was getting snaps early in the game.
50:08And then Najee Harris has a fumble in the game.
50:11And then they don't go back to him. He was benched for the last like 10 minutes.
50:16But Najee Harris also had a moment where Scadaboo is on the field as a touchdown to Theo Johnson.
50:21They're going for two and they sub Najee Harris in for that.
50:25So that's not what you want to see for Cam Scadaboo, that they're choosing to sub Najee Harrison, who ran the ball in for that two point conversion.
50:33So that makes me nervous. And then you have the Najee Harris fumbles and he's benched the rest of the game.
50:39So like as I go into week five here, what the exact Cam Scadaboo Najee Harris split is, is like, I think a total mystery.
50:47But I'm starting to view Cam Scadaboo closer like, you know, running back 25 than running back like 16, where I thought
50:53for a second there like we might like backdoor way into like too much volume.
50:57Now I feel like a little bit more suspect of that.
51:01I mean, he is the definition of a roller coaster at the running back spot.
51:05His week so far running back 15, then running back 31 against the Rams, running back 17, then running back 35 against the Cardinals.
51:12Hayden, now he gets the Washington Commanders who have been somewhat tough stopping the run because of Durante Jones and how he, you know, muddies the fronts.
51:20This is the New Orleans Saints. So I think we can pick our spots here a little bit and the Houston Texans after that.
51:27So again, I think this might be a bit straightforward in how to play Cam Scadaboo in your fantasy lineups.
51:33Okay. New at the Patriots are next. Again, tale of three games and then one, especially for Drake May.
51:38I mean, Hayden, he opened the season as quarterback 23, 25, 32, and then finishes week four as quarterback one.
51:44So overall is, you know, the problem solved. Like what, what worked here for Drake May and the Patriots passing offense?
51:50First of all, Drake may played much better in that he was running around like on time, which he typically does.
51:56And then he just made more throws in this one.
51:59The, and then he got more support from his past catchers as well.
52:03Romeo Dobbs made a couple awesome plays at the catch point, including on his skinny post, one handed fade route for a touchdown.
52:10Uh, at when Efton Chisholm is making one handed plays 25 yards down the field for touchdowns.
52:15That's when, you know, things are looking a little bit better.
52:18I will say there's still just some issues from the Patriots offense, just watching them.
52:22I thought individually, the offensive line didn't play that well, including the backup right guard.
52:27It seems like they're still kind of not fully hiding Will Campbell, but they're definitely making sure Will Campbell's not completely left on islands.
52:34And there were some times where I thought May was under pressure a little bit.
52:38You still have like the, the Drake may throws the ball low that gets batted up for, uh, for an interception to, to Romeo Dobbs there.
52:46So it was not a perfect game, but when you can rush for 54 yards per game and your guys start making
52:52plays like that was like the difference in this one.
52:55So I would not say fixed. We're not back for Drake may, uh, but at least, you know, like Romeo Dobbs, like
53:01being out there for full-time snaps and like running a couple more in breaking routes here than he was early in the season.
53:08I think that was probably the most encouraging part, uh, heading into week five.
53:12Yeah. You've got the one vertical shot for Dobbs who still, even in this game ran a go route on 27% of
53:19his routes, which that's just the way this offense is Hayden.
53:22It's very static. It's, they don't do a lot of, uh, eye candy.
53:26They don't put defenders in conflict. It's nothing is just disgusting.
53:29It's just very kind of middle of the road.
53:31I think this is a bad team beater offense.
53:34You know, when, and you look at the schedule so far, Seahawks, they get crushed pay, uh, Steelers, they win 20 to
53:40three, but I mean, they're not a good, they're not a good offense in that game.
53:45Jacksonville week three is low key, a really good defense.
53:48Uh, and the bills might be a low key, bad defense, uh, here in week four.
53:53So it kind of follows the trend and then they get the Raiders, the jets, the bears, which might be a better defense than we think.
54:00And then the, the dolphins in week eight. So it kind of feels to me, that's how you pick your spots, uh,
54:07with the, with the Patriots offenses, good, bad defenses.
54:09I think they have enough to put those teams in a bind, but the good defenses, especially when you get some of
54:16these like quarters coverages, they don't, they don't really threaten you consistently there, but definitely nice to see Romeo Dobbs have some
54:22of the outcuts where he was really, really productive, uh, with the Packers in 2025.
54:26That's where you kind of want to use him.
54:29So hopefully they're, they're gaining some grasp of the personnel.
54:32And I mean, I know, I don't mean to be mean, but Matt Collins, you know, maybe not being on the field
54:38for the next few weeks, I think actually might be a net positive for the offense.
54:43I've also kind of forgotten that AJ Brown will eventually come back.
54:47I mean, who knows what he's going to be, you know, off this high ankle sprain and all of that stuff.
54:53But I do wonder, like you said, Matt, in the next three, four weeks where it's the bears and the dolphins and
54:59the Packers, like the dolphins and Packers defenses, you can throw all over them.
55:03So, uh, lines, this is yes. I mean, and, and the schedule team might, you know, get the schedule coming up here.
55:10Yeah. Let's put it that way. Yeah. Romeo Dobbs, I thought played really well against Maxwell Harrison.
55:15Who's kind of on my radar. Yes. The quarterback spot and a lot of it on offensive coordinators radars.
55:20That's for sure. Hey, any closing thoughts on the running back spot before we need to move on?
55:25I think the answer is you didn't want either of them.
55:29You know, if one of them gets hurt, then you're going to be just fine here.
55:33But Ramondre Stevenson, uh, was the RB 22 and usage last week.
55:37He's been the RB 35 and usage in the three games with, uh, with Travion Henderson.
55:41It's like, that's not really moving the needle. And then Travion has been the running back 44 usage this season.
55:47If you include the 21 games with Ramondre Stevenson, including last year, he's the running back 49 and usage.
55:53Like he he's been this close to hitting some big plays.
55:56I think they're using him a little bit better, uh, now, but like neither of them are getting enough volume for like to be must starts right now.
56:04I think that you have to just take the goal line usage at face value for Ramondre and rank them higher, but,
56:11uh, neither of them are going to be good.
56:13Fifth, six, seventh round picks. I'm seeing that, uh, Doug Kayad has covered the team forever said that, um, Jamal Williams worked out for the team today.
56:21So that's where they're at, at the running back position.
56:24Shout out Doug's the man, by the way. Yeah.
56:27I mean, this is almost similar to the Denver Broncos.
56:30I'll be it. Like the talents are a level above, I think, but it's kind of the same thing.
56:35It has to be one of them in order for one of them to be fancy relevant.
56:40Okay. Let's talk Minnesota Vikings and Hey, and I'm going to send this one right back to you.
56:45I talked about it on Sunday night, but we're through four games, you know what?
56:50Seven quarters of Kyler Murray playing football and therefore no.
56:53And yet I can't tell you if the passing game is actually going to get figured out.
56:58Hayden, what'd you see on the tape in the all 22 of Kyler Murray?
57:02If you look comfortable or not in this offense.
57:04I thought there was a couple turndowns. There was one to Jordan Addison on the big dig route.
57:10Um, and these kinds of intermediate to deep past past concepts for the Vikings.
57:14It there's really nowhere else to go. Like they're going to have a lot of people in protection.
57:19They're going to have two guys in the route.
57:21And if you don't turn or if you don't, if you turn down that throw, then like, that's going to be a sack.
57:28So there was one moment of that. Jordan Addison also, he actually did throw this one.
57:33Um, but this one was a little bit high that goes kind of incomplete.
57:37There was still enough with, you know, like the, there's a big, uh, catch on the sideline for Jordan Addison.
57:43Uh, that I think that they're going to be just fine.
57:46Um, but there's also like individual reps where Jordan Addison just getting shoved off of his route and like Kyler Murray staring
57:52at him and like the play is just kind of over after that as well.
57:57So I think some of this falls on Kyler.
57:59I think some of this did fall on, uh, Jordan Addison at times or the couple, um, errors I thought from the offensive line.
58:06But the, the way that they moved the ball in this last game was just like quick throws to TJ Hawkinson where
58:13he didn't have to read things out. It was just like, all right, a little hitch to TJ Hawkinson or like a
58:19scene pass where you're not like reading out a defense.
58:22You're just like, there's the scene ball. I'm just going to throw this like pre-snap.
58:27It was a lot more of that than kind of like, you know, anticipate, anticipatory throws, uh, deep and over the middle.
58:33This is like the worst version of what you would think it was going to be.
58:38Uh, honestly, I mean, everything, everything Hayden described there.
58:40I saw the exact same on tape. It says, then this is what, this is what Kyler was the last two years
58:47in Arizona is that there were open throws down the field.
58:50He turned, he turns them down. And then at the Addison part of it too, this is who Jordan Addison is.
58:56This is who he's always, he's going to get pushed off his spot.
59:00He's he's small and he's not an elite technician.
59:02So obviously having Justin Jefferson helps things, but I mean, this is against the damn dolphins defense and we're still having the worst impulses of both players.
59:10That is really problematic. So, I mean, I honestly could see TJ Hawkinson continuing to be a scam production again this week.
59:17If there's no Justin Jefferson and, um, they got to buy in week six, you would think that they could hold out Jefferson again.
59:24And, you know, it's just going to be peppering a lot of those stick concepts to TJ.
59:29Hawkinson, but in this offense, yeah, there's not a lot of options out in the route.
59:33There's not a lot of consistent check downs, which is a, I think like a slight to maybe even beyond slight critique to Kevin O'Connell's offense.
59:41So it's like the worst impulses of the KOC offense is the worst impulses of the quarterback.
59:46And obviously again, no, no, just Jefferson, but the worst impulses of the current wide receiver one all combined to make this.
59:52I would call it a really bad offensive performance in week four.
59:56Well, but this is the fancy football conundrum because the schedule is ever in the Vikings passing offense favor.
60:01Okay. And rushing. I mean, Aaron Jones, take a break just when you need it.
60:06Uh, it's the saints and then the bi-week then the Colts.
60:09And we've seen what sauce Gardner has been putting out there.
60:12Uh, the Detroit lions. And then the Buffalo bills who we just spoke about, like, these are all defenses that cohesive and good offenses should figure out.
60:20So again, they have a bit of a longer leash here because they are for no, and they can hopefully figure it out.
60:27And they have, you know, the two weeks that Kyler Murray missed and all this type of stuff.
60:32But Hayden, if you know, we didn't see it.
60:35And again, we're only going by two series in the first quarter, but it's not like.
60:39Kyler Murray joined a week before the season started, right?
60:42This was all of training camp that they had together.
60:45So if he's not comfortable in it now, I am a bit concerned if he's ever going to be feel comfortable in
60:51it because he's kind of just regressing into the same bad tendencies.
60:55That he had in terms of like turning down and, and playing hokey poke in the backfield.
61:00And I almost wish that like TJ Hawkinson wasn't as open as he was because that was just an easy button that
61:06he knew was the outlet versus being able to actually being forced to read out the field.
61:11I think we're going to just reach a middle ground between this conversation versus by the end of the season when Justin
61:18Jefferson's the primary and like we're reducing some of these Jordan Addison kind of like first read targets.
61:23And then also at the same time, like Kyler was out there, but he was, you know, splitting reps for a large part of the offseason as well.
61:31And he spoke that he was frustrated about that.
61:34But yeah, I think that, you know, Sam Donald had some issues in this offense at times and they found explosives.
61:40I think that Kyler Murray will have some games where he's going to find some explosives out there.
61:45And then you're gonna have to live with some of the critiques that we're talking about that are very real.
61:51But I think those become less exaggerated with more time on task and with Justin Jefferson in the lineup.
61:56They're just effed without Jordan Jeff. I mean, without Justin Jefferson.
62:00I mean, John Jennings, 100% route participation does not existent.
62:03He's been targeted on 4.4%. It's 4.4% of his routes among guys that have run around on 50% of their team dropbacks.
62:09That is dead last by a lot. Bryce Lance is like doubling up his targets per route run.
62:14So tough. Yeah, I saw Lombardi say that the 49ers should trade for John Jennings and get him back in the building.
62:21What's the point? You know, not watching. I'd rather play all those.
62:24Only he's only watching the Brock Purdy tape. So yeah.
62:27I do want to point out that Brock Purdy.
62:30Yeah, there you go. Yeah. The Vikings, the Vikings did lose their left guard in Donovan Jackson.
62:35He's going to injured reserve. And then the running game.
62:38Yeah. I mean, it's Aaron Jones just play after play after play after play.
62:42All right. Let's talk about the Tennessee Titans. And Matt, I wanted to send it to you first because Colonel Tate finally saw production on the season.
62:50He was the wide receiver 11 on the week.
62:52I heard someone mentioned this, that the only rookie receivers with a higher target share through the opening four weeks have been
62:59like Puka Nakua and Jamar Chase and like some of the best wide receivers in the league.
63:04Now, I think that shows kind of the difference between target share and, you know, actually good offenses and actual fancy points.
63:10But that's, you know, in my underlying metrics league, at least that paid off.
63:14Yeah, that's great. I will say for a game where he fumbled and I would say I know he was charted with two drops.
63:21I would say one of them was definitely a drop.
63:24The other is I put some responsibility on Cam Ward for that one.
63:28Yeah, I wouldn't chart that as a drop. Other places can do whatever they want with it.
63:33But yeah, again, with all that being said, I thought this was a really strong game for Carnell Tate.
63:38You saw the separation skills. I think he settles in zones well.
63:42He gets open at all three levels. And the great part for him is that I've done two games on his so
63:48far, and he's not just the static X of the offense.
63:51He's been off ball at about 38%. They will move him around.
63:55They'll get him in these looks here. Just really clean, crisp stuff at the top of the routes for Tate.
64:01So it's definitely not perfect by any means. I think this offense sucks.
64:05I don't like watching it. I think the quarterback is still shaky.
64:08But to be nice. And then for Carnell Tate, too, speaking of shaky quarterback, he's been pretty good at uncovering when Cam Ward gets into chaos mode.
64:16And then it's just like, can Cam Ward get that ball down the field to Carnell Tate?
64:21That is the question here. So I'm definitely it's on my radar this week about them going against the Texans where we saw CeeDee Lamb cut them up.
64:29Like, could this be a Wondale Robinson scam week?
64:32But for the fact that they've at least got Tate some of these off ball movement reps, I think that's encouraging for
64:38him and to maybe have a good week this week again.
64:41Definitely encouraging. 29% target share is a really high number on the season for Carnell Tate.
64:46And I noticed the same thing on the out of structure stuff where it was that was kind of the best moments
64:52from from Cam Ward in this one. And the key to that is to run the opposite direction.
64:58That's all of Cam Ward's like best throws throughout his entire NFL career.
65:01He's been moving one way and then he's throwing it to the receiver, moving the other way.
65:06That's what happened with Carnell Tate on this play as well.
65:10All 12 of his targets were five yards or are deeper down the field.
65:14They're not going to even manufacture touches. I think that's why his stats are going to be really up and down.
65:20I think kind of watching him, he's kind of like the guy that we were like, you know, maybe hoping Marvin Harrison
65:26can kind of turn into where he's going to be like primarily kind of the X receiver, but not all the time.
65:33You can move him around. He's not super explosive on tape, but he's fluid and big and I think could run all the routes on the route tree.
65:41So I'm seeing positive signs from Carnell Tate individually.
65:43And then at the same time, Cam Ward made a couple more nice throws in this one.
65:48But the consistency in terms of the accuracy, getting the ball out on time and stuff, I think is still just not there for Cam Ward.
65:56There's a stat. JJ has it. Malik neighbors, Drake, London, Pukunuku are the only wide receivers since 2016 to have a higher target share through four games.
66:04But again, target share doesn't necessarily get you fancy points.
66:07You know, I turned on this game just yeah, just to see this offense because of the production that he had.
66:13I don't know. I was still kind of let down by the whole thing, to be honest.
66:18Like there was just a whole bunch of creation mode stuff from Cam Ward.
66:22I was hoping in this one he would be able to sit back there and go through his progressions and, you know, hit players in rhythm.
66:29And it still just didn't have like that much rhythm to it, you know, and that kind of gives me concerns of
66:36Matt, this type of performance stacking itself week over week.
66:39I understand this was the Ravens and they've got some great defensive pieces and some great defensive coaches and all that type of stuff.
66:46But I was still left wanting a little bit more.
66:49I guess I had my expectations just lower because I'm not expecting that from Cam Ward or Brian Dayball at this point.
66:55I think these two guys are bad. They brought to do some cool like three by one stuff, too.
67:01Like what I was nervous about in the preseason was Cardinal Tate just being isolated as the X and all that type of stuff.
67:08He had some cool three by one and got him in some looks that were favorable for him, too.
67:13So that was a positive, which definitely helps. That helps the Cardinal Tate part of it.
67:18And especially, again, going against the Texans this week, Colts the week after that, there's going to be some spots where if
67:24they can get him on the move and just like, again, what the Cowboys did with CeeDee Lamb, like motion him across
67:31the field and then run these quick outs. I think that's good for Tate.
67:35And I will say on the Marvin Harrison Jr.
67:37And I think that's a senior point, like the one of the problems for Marv, even when he does get the ball
67:44thrown his way, especially early in his career, was he would underhand, like let the ball into his body tape.
67:50This is totally translated. It's just one of the most.
67:53I know he had the drop, but like most aesthetically pleasing players to watch catch the ball because he always comes at
67:59that thing with extended hands full frame. He's doing that for sure.
68:03So if you're feeling like if you drafted Cardinal Tate in your dynasty draft, just watch the tape.
68:08Don't don't watch the Titans offense. Just watch the tape.
68:11Hey, do we need to say anything about the running game?
68:14I mean, Tony Pollard is running back 31 at this point.
68:17Go ahead. He's the RB 14 in usage for our usage leagues out there.
68:21It hasn't necessarily translated. I will say this. JC Latham, their right tackle has been awesome.
68:26And if you're talking about just getting off the bus, what you want your right tackle to look like.
68:31JC Latham, you could not put a bigger bicep on the man.
68:35And he kind of wears his jersey all tight and cropped and stuff.
68:39He was dominating every Ravens defensive lineman in the ground game.
68:42JC Latham, there was a chance that he was just going to be like not an NFL starter in the first round bus.
68:49I would say he's one of the better right tackles that I've watched this season.
68:53And that is like a huge turnaround for the Tennessee Titans.
68:56I think maybe that's like another reason to be a little bit frustrated with the Cam Ward stuff more than we're even being on this show.
69:04It's like the offensive line has not been a stone cold disaster that it could have been going into this.
69:10I think it's played like a tier above that.
69:12And someone like JC Latham kind of having this breakout season is a reason why.
69:17Tangent. What the heck was Bill Callahan doing in Tennessee?
69:20Like goaded offensive line coach for his whole career.
69:22Awesome. Then he goes to work for his son and has a terrible Titans offensive line despite investing a lot in it.
69:29And now he's with the Atlanta Falcons and their offensive line is freaking nasty.
69:33So I don't know what was going on there during that two year span in Tennessee, Matt.
69:38Don't work. Don't work for your son. Maybe that's the answer.
69:41Yeah, there it is. Never work for your son.
69:43Denver Broncos. Let's talk about them. I mean, where to start?
69:47Uh, Matt, I'm sure you watched the bone next stuff.
69:50Everyone by this point has watched the bone next stuff for me.
69:53I mean, there were two place. Okay. And you don't have to look in the first quarter if you guys want to watch it.
70:00All right. There's a 13 personnel look under center.
70:03Marvin Mims runs the coverage away. Evan Ingram from the tight end side runs an over route.
70:08There's a seven yard cavity. Here's the entire sideline open.
70:11And instead of throwing it to him, bone X takes the two yard gain to RJ Harvey on the check down.
70:17Then two plays later, 11 personnel, a concept that every team across the league runs.
70:21Jalen Waddle from the slot drives down the field.
70:24Pat Bryant hits the dagger behind him. The entire middle of the field area is open.
70:28And once again, Bo Nix checks it down. That was on first and 20 and like third and 18.
70:34And both could have gotten first downs or at least gotten close to it.
70:38So Matt, I don't think there's a bigger indictment or indication of where Bo Nix is right now than RJ Harvey getting 10 catches in a single game.
70:46It's so gross. I was super frustrated talking about this offense on our Sunday recap show.
70:51Didn't feel any better about it. Honestly, I felt worse because at least on going back and watching on tape, because at
70:57least on Sunday, you can think, hey, well, maybe the guys weren't open downfield.
71:01I was suspicious of that. But nevertheless, yeah, I mean, the fact like you're seeing this passing chart here on the screen.
71:08I mean, this is what it is. It's this massive cavity over the middle of the field.
71:13And Bo Nix is just not pulling the trigger on these throws.
71:16And he also does not move well at all right now.
71:19It might be bad that he's had what all these ankle surgeries at this point.
71:24I mean, the guys who have these are the players who have more yards from scrambling than Bo Nix this year.
71:30Drew Locke, Jameis Winston, Jack Strand. And these guys barely played.
71:33So he's not taking off and running. I mean, he's not taking off and running at all.
71:38He also doesn't look comfortable in the pocket. So he's getting to these checkdowns so quickly.
71:43I mean, yeah, those are good examples. I would see the same thing where it's like they rain dagger a ton in this game.
71:50This was a Davis Webb get the message out there.
71:53It's not my fault sort of week on social media.
71:56And you know what? He's right. Like they're running the concepts and the quarterback is just not pulling the trigger right now.
72:02So I don't know if that's Bo Nix isn't comfortable.
72:05This is just who he is. He's always been too quick to the check down to in my opinion.
72:10And we're certainly seeing that so far this year.
72:13Yeah, I think the expectations with Waddle being there, it's like really put a magnifying glass on this Bo Nix problem, which
72:19has been a problem for a very long time.
72:22I did not realize he has 6.3 rushing yards per game.
72:25That's quarterback 23. Like that was what kind of like dragged him to like being a, I would say, competent rookie quarterback a couple years ago.
72:33I kind of like by the midpoint of that season.
72:36But we're not getting those moments nearly as often in this one.
72:39Jalen Waddle at this point, 21% target share, wide receiver 37 and expected points.
72:43He's just going to be more up and down than I wanted.
72:47He did have two screen receptions in this one, but just in general, like not getting as many, like just kind of
72:53like go balls and, you know, big crossing routes.
72:56And we have not really seen that. Maybe that changes with Pat Bryant going to injured reserved here.
73:01But something's got to give. Yeah, something. And then the one he did get, he dropped.
73:06So there's also, you know, call balls and strikes here.
73:09Got to make that play, Jalen Waddle. So I think your point, Matt, about the ankle injury, like maybe that is just
73:15this internal noise that Bonix hears because he's always been this quarterback.
73:19That's had a difficult time finding the Goldilocks zone between moving too much and not moving enough.
73:24His sack avoidance has always been great. And maybe he, you know, that is too top of mind in that he realizes
73:30he can't move as much as he used to.
73:33And so in order to avoid these sacks, because that's my calling card is my sack avoidance.
73:38I just have to get the check down quicker.
73:40So it all might stem from, like you said, Matt, just a bunch and not being totally healed from that, that ankle or that foot.
73:48I do want to bring up the running back room here too.
73:51J.K. Dobbins is among the worst in the NFL right now in success rate.
73:55And he doesn't catch passes. Look, Archie Harvey as a rusher is not a plus runner, but at least is like mill
74:02the road when it comes to success rate and these underlying numbers.
74:05He also leads the NFL in yards off a catch.
74:08Now, again, it's because these check downs, but Hayden, are we at the point where it's just better for who the Broncos
74:14are right now to start and play R.J. Harvey over J.K.
74:18Dobbins? Well, they kind of did it. They didn't start R.J.
74:21Harvey, but R.J. Harvey played more early down snaps than J.K.
74:24Dobbins did this last week. And I will be ranking R.J.
74:27Harvey definitely ahead of J.K. Dobbins. I would put this into the Patriots backfield conversation where the answer to the Broncos backfield
74:34was you don't draft any of them. It's always just going to be a committee.
74:38It was Tyler Bidet out there in pass protection as well.
74:41He actually got a carry before J.K. Dobbins as well in this game.
74:45So the Dobbins stuff is officially cursed. I think that you could be aggressive and drop him that.
74:50I was listening to your show and you guys had the same takeaway there where if you want to be aggressive, just drop him.
74:57Like he's not going to be a league winner.
75:00He's just kind of like maybe going to be a flex play, but not going to be a good one at that.
75:06I will say the Broncos offensive line is not moving as many bodies in the ground game as well.
75:12Just watching them for a unit that should be one of the best offensive lines as well.
75:17So everything just feels a little bit off. And the last thing I was going to say on the Bo Nix stuff
75:23last week, it was kind of like what's happening in the NBA with Wemby is when you have a middle of the field player in Fred Warner.
75:31Some teams are just like, I'm not even going to try.
75:34And that's what I kind of felt with with Bo Nix is like he knew Fred Warner was just lurking over the middle.
75:41He's like, I'm not even going to throw the ball over there.
75:44And that's why I think he was getting to the check down on top of that.
75:49But you can't be a good quarterback if you're going to just like say F it.
75:54I'm not going to be an attempt things over the middle, even if it is Fred Warner.
75:59Tyler Bidde was fourth on the team in receiving yards.
76:02Fourth on the team in receiving yards was Tyler Bidde.
76:05So I'm with you, though, Josh, could could could R.J.
76:08Harvey be like the most disgusting by low because just, hey, you trade for him because he's not like really popping in fantasy.
76:14But and they just kind of go more towards him because I just think Dobbins is unfortunately giving them next to nothing at this point.
76:22Maybe keep stashing Jonah Coleman. I don't know if there's a right answer here, but it's it's not what's been going on so far.
76:29I mean, in half PPR, he did have 10 catches and still scored as only the running back 20.
76:34Now, if you play in a sicko league and full PPR, he was a running back 12 because of all those catches.
76:40But again, that goes to show. I mean, I said this 100 times.
76:44And, you know, when the Jonah Coleman stuff was happening in waivers and everything is this has to be a singular running back for it to matter.
76:52It is split way too many different areas and they're not good enough running the football at large for it to be
76:59a split backfield and for it to matter for any of us.
77:02Okay, Matt, we're going to keep you for one extra and it's a Cincinnati Bengals and it's just for one name.
77:08You promised us on Sunday night after we saw one of the greatest stories in the NFL Dante Myers pop up for
77:1592% route percentage that you're going to chart him this week.
77:18What'd you see when he charted them? How about that?
77:21We have something new to talk about with the Cincinnati Bengals.
77:24Other than the fact they've completely given up, by the way, on the under center thing.
77:29They're dead last and under center their first and pass right over expected.
77:32So they shot those August storylines into the sun quickly.
77:35But, you know, who's kind of shot out of a cannon a little bit is Dante Myers.
77:40I mean, that guy's got a little bit of pop to him for sure.
77:44I also was impressed that they played him across the formation.
77:48I was expecting to think, oh, this is going to be a little gadgety nonsense Mickey Mouse BS.
77:53But 50% snaps on ball, 50% snaps off ball, 34% slot.
77:56So decent bit of work all over the place.
77:59And in terms of his route tree, now I'm not going to sit here and say he is a refined receiver as a downfield separator.
78:06Cause I'm, I mean, he's, he's not, especially against zone coverage.
78:09He doesn't quite know the leverages and everything, but dig routes.
78:12I thought he had a couple of impressive moments, like just quicker outs.
78:16The deeper outs were not so great. By the way, Travis Hunter cornerback film is outrageous right now.
78:21As one of the biggest Travis Hunter wide receiver backers out there.
78:25I'd be happy if we never played a wide receiver ever again, just cause he's so damn good as a corner.
78:31And they were really baiting. They were really baiting Cincinnati throw into the hole, throw into the whole shot for cover two here.
78:38And they were closing those windows quick. Even one of those quick little outs that Dante Myers ran, he turns around to
78:44start running after the catch and Travis Hunter, boom, pops him right afterwards.
78:48So he obliterated him along the sideline. So it's a lot of that with Myers, but didn't quite have any big breakaway plays here for sure.
78:56But I think if he gets an angle, he can, he can, he can scoot after the catch.
79:01So I would not call him a pure fake designery receiver.
79:04Uh, he did have some nice moments and I liked that he was used all over the formation, but yeah, obviously that's
79:10going to be the key to him right now is quick, almost like quick man coverage wins and then pin it on him and let him run.
79:18Yeah. I noticed the same thing, but on that big third and 16, the sliding play that was from the slot.
79:24And then they were down five points, 90 seconds left first and 10, and they throw him a back shoulder ball that gets completed.
79:31So I was like, to me, Joe Burrow, like trust him, uh, which was nice.
79:36And then Josh, if he doesn't get clipped on his ankles on that plate earlier in the game, he might've house that that dude was fly.
79:43So I think you're going to get maybe like a couple manufactured opportunities a game because he's that explosive.
79:49Uh, obviously you have to do that less of Jamar Chase is out there, but that guy got to speed quickly, uh, early on.
79:56And then he, he nearly had like a, probably like a 60 yard play.
80:00So I think this is really important and people are watching this live.
80:04Thank you for watching. Leave a thumbs up if you are, um, ahead of the waivers.
80:08And then we have to fill in for T Higgins, who I think is going to miss multiple weeks with his groin and Jamar Chase with concussion.
80:16I'm expecting him to miss because one, it's the dolphins, even though it's a must win.
80:21And then they have a bi-week after that. So it just kind of would make sense.
80:26Now we have seen some players respond quickly from concussions, but.
80:29Hey, we have to get this right. So in the waivers episode, I talked a bit more about Mike Gusecki than I did Dante Myers.
80:36I mean, Gusecki right now is the tight end 10 on the season, despite only being on the field for 58% of dropbacks.
80:43You can kind of look at the last two seasons as part of the Bengals.
80:47Like in 2024, when T Higgins missed week two, he was a tight end five.
80:52When T Higgins missed weeks eight, nine, he was a tight end 16 and the tight end one.
80:57Last season, when T played less than 75% in certain games, he was a tight end two and the tight end 13.
81:03So to me, he's a glorified wide receiver for this team.
81:06Yeah. But especially when one of those players misses, he is a focal point of this passing game.
81:12And he's already doing great things this season on a reduced snap count.
81:16And that should maybe go up by like 20% this week.
81:19I think I would project Myers for more fantasy points than Mike Gusecki, but it'd be close between the two.
81:25Myers played 58 of 63 dropbacks and Gusecki was at 44 of 63.
81:28So just, you know, Gusecki has to be better on a per target base.
81:32He's probably more likely to score a touchdown given the size.
81:36So I think it'd be close, close to a toss up.
81:39I think that both of them are awesome pickups.
81:41Just, I mean, don't spend a lot of money on it, but just like you can do a lot worse than start either one of them.
81:49If, if even if Chase is out there, I think that both these guys are going to be heavily involved to some degree.
81:56And Chase isn't out there. I think both of them are going to be in my top 36 and top 12 at their positions.
82:03Just personnel notes for Dante Myers to new way.
82:05I'm charting things is like through personnel stuff. I won't take everybody through the boring back end part of it, but 38%,
82:1211 personnel, 49%, 12 personnel, 6%, 20 personnel, 7%, 21.
82:15Obviously some of that 12 is BS because Mike Gusecki has run 0% of his routes as an inline tight end.
82:21For all of the Harmon, when are you going to chart Brock Bowers nonsense?
82:25When he runs fewer routes as an inline tight end, then Mike Gusecki, that's the rules.
82:30Okay. That's so nobody wants to guess. Nobody wants the Gusecki charts.
82:33But as soon as, as soon as he does that, then, then maybe Brock Bowers, we'll see about that.
82:39But yeah, I mean, Myers played in all the personnel groupings played outside inside.
82:43I think, yeah, I like Hayden's way of saying it.
82:46I've, I've heard of worse ideas than Dante Myers.
82:48There are worse pickups. All of us have made this season than guys that are playing anywhere from 70 to 92% snaps.
82:55Attached to Joe Burrow facing the Miami Dolphins defense, you know?
82:58Yeah. So, and with everything that I brought with Mike Gusecki, that was also previous years when Andre Yoshifas was on the
83:04field and now he's not, you know? Yeah. So to me, that's even a cleaner pathway for Gusecki being a nice fill in for like Travis Kelsey.
83:12If he's on a bye week for your teams out there too.
83:16Um, I had something brought up about the running game.
83:19Cause that's been non-existent. Like Chase Brown, we can keep saying he's a by low and blah, blah, blah.
83:24And all that type of stuff. A crazy stat from, uh, I think it's EAB put it out there.
83:30The longest running play in eight years under Zach Taylor is actually from Joe Burrow.
83:34It's a 47 yard rushing touchdown back against the New York giants in 2024.
83:38And Matt, like you said, the, the Bengals are dead last in yards per play from under center this year.
83:44So while that has helped and theoretically should chase Brown with some of his rushing production, uh, they're already abandoning it and moving away from it.
83:52Yeah. Stinks. But, um, that this is what they are, man.
83:55They'll probably do the same nonsense next off season where they sell this to us, but this is what Joe Burrow wants to do.
84:02So this is what they're going to do. They'll, they'll be this way until the end of time.
84:07All right, Matt. Thanks a lot, man. Extra work, extra credit from him.
84:11Appreciate you joining us and I'll, uh, see you in your show on Thursday.
84:15Yes, sir. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. All right.
84:18Hayden, let's keep it rolling. First, let's do the Baltimore Ravens.
84:21They're up next. I mean, this Lamar Jackson ankle injury, he's missed games every single year for either flu like symptoms in
84:27December or, you know, some type of injury that pops up quote unquote outside chance of playing, but they are two and
84:34a half point underdogs to the Falcons at this point.
84:36So the markets do not believe that Lamar Jackson is going to play.
84:40That brings us to Tyler Huntley. And, uh, that is throwing to say flowers and Derek Henry.
84:45And there's your team. That's the entire team. I once again, liked what I saw schematically from Declan Doyle's a flowers was all over the field.
84:53Uh, in this one, a lot of plays over the middle, quick hitters to say flowers, uh, to let him go after
84:59the catch, including his touchdown on the end zone copy of that play.
85:03Like Lamar Jackson had this much space to throw that ball in there.
85:07Just like a reminder when we're watching like the TV angles of this stuff, we do not get the proper representation of
85:13how difficult it is to play quarterback in the NFL.
85:16Um, so yeah, that just like goes to show, you know, the difference between Lamar Jackson and Tyler Huntley is a big
85:23one, but at the same time, they're just not going to throw the ball to anybody else except for Zay flowers this year.
85:29So even with Huntley in there, I will still be ranking Zay flowers as a top 15 or so option.
85:35Yeah, they did lose Durham Smythe for the season.
85:38Uh, I'm not saying that Durham Smythe was on our radar for fancy purposes, but he is kind of a dirty work guy.
85:44Like I know Nate posted a clip where the Ravens tried out 13 personnel and under center, which so awesome that we're
85:51getting even more of this stuff under Declan Doyle and they motioned Derm Smythe out wide.
85:56And then that freed up Zay flowers in the slot.
85:58It's very similar to, you know, what Ben Johnson does with his Titans.
86:02And we know Declan Doyle coached with Ben Johnson last year.
86:05So they're kind of utilizing Titans to move the pieces in order to get their best players the ball, which is everything
86:12that you want with an offensive play caller. Okay.
86:14Buffalo bills are up next. So I talked for this on the waivers episode.
86:19Uh, Hayden, I want DJ more out there, but if DJ more is going to leave after 25% of snaps, I really
86:25DJ more just sits because in his absence, I really want to play key on Coleman.
86:30Like this version of Keon Coleman should draw people's attention.
86:33He's playing that well. Yeah. I had this game, uh, for the recap show and I made sure to say, I think that he's playing better.
86:40I brought it up to Nate Tyson. The other recap show.
86:43Um, if you haven't listened to me enough, you can go over to football 301.
86:48I do back to back on street caps shows every Sunday right now.
86:51Please subscribe. Um, but on that, I said, Nate, I think he on Coleman looks faster.
86:56This year looks a little more slender. Uh, and he quickly pulled it up.
87:00This is the fastest he's run on that per, uh, play basis, uh, versus the other is marginally faster, but it's something,
87:07uh, he had made a classic key on Coleman play on the sideline, but that, that big kind of post route for
87:13the touchdown, like that was like about as fast as I've seen him run there.
87:17And this big kind of play underneath, that was an at snap motion play where he was the first, uh, read target on that one.
87:25So it's a little bit more involvement here. Um, so I think that he's good enough to be an NFL starter now.
87:31And I think that he's good enough where if he's the first player in the past game, like I think that's gonna be a fancy starter.
87:39Yeah. Yeah. He's almost DJ more insurance, you know, like they, they won't put Khalil Shakir in the DJ more role.
87:45Duncan Cade's going to get his, and we can talk about, well, you know, Joe Brady's comments with that and all that type of stuff.
87:52But in the two games where DJ more has left after again, like 23% of the snaps.
87:57Keon Cohen pops in for six reception, 63 yards.
88:00And here are six receptions for 116 and one.
88:02And it looks like the similar patterns. It looks like the similar routes and it kind of looks like the similar speed.
88:09I mean, I've been a hater Keon Coleman and that's been correct so far, but I also want to give him credit
88:15that like when he gets motioned into a stack for these crossing routes, these downfield concepts, the three levels, he's the intermediate target.
88:22Like he even had a design screen in this game, you know?
88:25So there is confusion that you obviously maybe came in prioritize Keon Coleman, unless we know DJ more is going to miss
88:32a game because he's only relevant if he does.
88:34But if I knew it, I think Keon Coleman might be my like second or third waiver pickup this week, simply based
88:41on I would immediately start him this week. Yeah.
88:43Huge game against the Rams here. Point total are 26 to 28 and a half.
88:48So that's a kind of start everybody. My other note on this was on the Dalton Kincaid stuff.
88:53We have somebody that was charting just like the usage in general, and they've not run the ball to Dalton Kincaid's side a single time yet.
89:01So like, yeah, that's a pretty big tell. And it's like a reason why he's not going to be playing all the snaps all the time.
89:08He's just kind of in the same role. It's been back.
89:11He's be hyper efficient. Yes. Now, I think that he is one of the best receiving tight ends in the league.
89:18And without DJ more, like I still want to start him, but he was the tight end five tight end three in the first two weeks.
89:25And then the last two weeks outside the top 30 in scoring.
89:29So, you know, it's going to be this kind of roller coaster.
89:32That's kind of what we signed up with with Dalton Kincaid.
89:35But, you know, like that was like a classic note there.
89:39They haven't ran the ball to his side a single time yet.
89:42You know, that's a tell. Yes, it is. Joe Brady said, quote, I have to be better.
89:47There is no reason Duncan Cage to have two targets, especially with the flow of the game.
89:52So maybe have a bit of a squeaky wheel situation.
89:55The last thing I had here for the Bills is that there's only one quarterback in the NFL who is getting designed
90:01runs called at a higher rate than they were last year.
90:05And that's Josh Allen. Yeah. Which is pretty crazy.
90:07Like we talk about more pass heavy looks from the Bills this season.
90:11And that's been true. And, you know, more plays and all that type of stuff.
90:15Well, the more plays, you know, can also equal more design runs here for Josh Allen.
90:20That's from Run the Sims, by the way. OK, let's talk about the Chicago Bears.
90:24My, to use your term, fancy boy stat for the Chicago Bears is that they lead the NFL with 4.8 drives that reach the red zone per game.
90:33But they rank right now 30th in red zone touchdown success rate at 42.11%.
90:37We're talking about small samples and you can actually physically remember the specific plays where this happened, where it's DeAndre Swift getting
90:43stuffed at the one yard line twice. It's Colson Loveland, you know, knocking the ball over.
90:48It's Caleb Williams pulling his hamstring and not crossing the goal line.
90:51It's Sam Rauch, like dropping a pass, you know, it's Roman.
90:54So it's it's it's a lot of these like small things.
90:58So I use the term like they're going to be scary when Ben Johnson fixes it.
91:02But same time with fix it, it can be, you know, some positive regression.
91:06It can just be stabilizing, like insert whatever word you want to.
91:10But that that points to how great this offense can be and it can be even better.
91:15Yeah, I think that's a great note. They have not executed everything perfectly, which is the scary part for for all this stuff.
91:22There's a lot of mouths to feed. I didn't have like a good like like kind of shake through between the Colson Loveland.
91:28Is he good again? Is he not good again?
91:31Luther Roma Dunsay? Like I think this as a season plays out, these guys are going to like more or less probably
91:37be kind of like where we were drafting them, maybe a little bit tier below just because Kalief Raymond is more involved there.
91:44My biggest note was just what happened with the running backs there.
91:48DeAndre Swift fumbled the ball midway through the third quarter.
91:50And then Kyle Menunga went absolutely crazy for the rest of the game there.
91:55They're not going to sit DeAndre Swift moving forward because of that.
91:58Kyle Menunga was was going. He was running really well.
92:01And that's how he got home. But, you know, DeAndre Swift is going to start playing fourth quarters and he's going to bounce back eventually.
92:08So I want to read into it. You know, this is just like writing the hot hand summed up on the chart.
92:15But on that note, like we opened the season.
92:17With DeAndre Swift being one of the best picks in fantasy football and kind of getting more work than we were expecting after Kalmanunga.
92:24You know, had a slow camp because of injury.
92:27We talked about last week against the Eagles, how, you know, DeAndre Swift opened more series than we were accustomed to.
92:33And then Kalmanunga has this game where he has 30 carries and he actually might be a good answer for them inside the five yard line.
92:41Like Swift has improved in that area, but Monunga is just a bull in that area too.
92:46So I don't want maybe some reaction to, oh, DeAndre Swift, it might now be back to a split.
92:51Well, guess what? That's where you drafted DeAndre Swift.
92:54And he's still going to be a heck of a fancy asset if this is a pure 50-50 split, because this offense
93:00posts a whole bunch of points and they're very good at running the football.
93:04So I don't want any negativity that people see about DeAndre Swift this week and obviously the fumble and sitting for the
93:11entire fourth quarter to lead them to sell high on Swift.
93:14In fact, I might do the opposite. I might go out and buy it.
93:18Yeah, definitely. So there's the running back fantasy usage by team chart out there.
93:22And that's just my model. And when I talk about usage, that is like taking the carries, the targets, how close they are to the end zone.
93:30Are they in shotgun? Yada, yada. There's a million variables that play into it, but it's a really good number to kind of quickly get to the point.
93:38And the Bears are number one in running back usage by a mile versus everybody else.
93:43So you can chop this 60-40, 40-60, 70-30, however you want to chop it.
93:47Both guys are startable and both of them have running back one overall upside.
93:51And that's what they have must plays. The thing with Colson Loveland, because he was the third tight end selected behind Brock
93:57Bowers and Trey McBride, every target that goes to Cole Comet or every manufactured touch that goes to Sam Rausch is taking away from Colson Loveland.
94:05And so while Colson Loveland is still a good player and while I still think he'll have better games ahead, he probably
94:11isn't going to live up to the tight end three billing solely for that reason, along with some other things, along with competing with Roma Dunze.
94:19And Luther Burden and the running backs and all this type of stuff.
94:23So again, there's just a lot more mouths to feed than Brock Bowers, you know, being out there for 93% of routes
94:29and Trey McBride being 85% of routes and all that type of stuff.
94:33My rest of season rankings for tight end would be McBride and Bowers in tier one.
94:38I would put Laporta and Kittle in tier two.
94:40And then Warren Kincaid, Loveland, Kraft, I guess. Isaiah likely, you know, kind of in that next tier there.
94:46Juwan's up there too. Yeah, I think Juwan for now is in that.
94:50And I think, you know, as the season plays out and Jordan Tyson gets there, I think he'll step down a tier.
94:56But, you know, I think Colson Loveland, I would draft him as the tight end seven moving forward, even though he's not been anywhere near that.
95:04But that's a long ways away versus round four.
95:06Let's talk the Cleveland Browns. They played an attorney ago, almost a week ago on Thursday Night Football.
95:11I mean, my overriding point is that Todd Monken is just a problem solver.
95:15You know, like this roster is different than the one that Stefanski had last year.
95:20But I think a major reason why it's different is because Todd Monken specifically wanted it to be different in terms of
95:26reworking the entire offensive line, which, by the way, we're seeing across the league, if you have one or two new pieces
95:33along the front five, then there's some growing pains.
95:35They have five new pieces, basically, and look how they're playing.
95:39And then, you know, the Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion of it all saying, I want a whole new wide receiver room.
95:45And these rookies aren't necessarily playing like rookies. And then it's making Deshaun Watson look go from horrible to still below average.
95:51But it's in these moments that when the game is on the line, one, his movement is better.
95:56And two, I think that Todd Monken just gives him the answers and the confidence to make more plays than he has
96:03been in the last couple of years. Really well said.
96:06Brown's their second in neutral pass rate right now at 63%, which kind of goes to show you that Todd Monken understands his personnel.
96:13He was never this high, obviously, with the Ravens and completely flips it around because he knows Deshaun's going to buy some
96:19time and then also scramble around a little bit.
96:22They've gotten some nice first downs from Deshaun Watson as a scrambler this year.
96:26And then their best, but their best skill guys right now as Quinn Sean's just kind of ramping up off his injury
96:32has definitely been Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion. So in their middle of the pack and success rate, which is incredible versus
96:39where they should be with that new offensive line.
96:41So I think credit to Todd Monken more so than anybody else associated with the Cleveland Browns.
96:46And they've also just hit on a lot of their recent picks, you know, like Mason Graham was balling out earlier this season.
96:53And obviously they traded down to get some extra capital as well.
96:56Fannin was excellent. And then both their skill guys and the draft this year have been looking like excellent players, including Casey
97:03Concepcion, like blocking like five guys on a play.
97:05I think that was just like a special moment from from the youngster.
97:09Okay, I need to ask you about Denzel Boston because he was drafted as the wires.
97:14He were five or six by a lot of people out there.
97:17If you just look at where he's at this season, he's wide receiver 18 and points per game.
97:23Now, that's heavily aided by the first two weeks when no one played him as the wide receiver 19 and 11.
97:29And these last two have been the wide receiver 49 and 32.
97:32But as we get into bye weeks here, Hayden, is he one of the players again, despite being attached to Deshaun Watson,
97:39albeit again, the neutral pass rate is up high that you would feel comfortable starting as your wide receiver two or three?
97:45Not as a wide receiver two. He's the wide receiver 41 in usage, wide receiver 44 in targets per game.
97:51He's used down the field. So I think he's going to be like a fairly efficient player for like all he can control.
97:58He's he's going to make some awesome plays at the catch point.
98:01And he has a little bit more separation skills.
98:04And I think people certainly gave him credit for pre-draft.
98:07But in my rankings, like initial rankings, he's like my wide receiver 33 right now.
98:11Um, and I think I feel way more comfortable like in the mid to late thirties than trying to pretend that we
98:17have like a top 24 wide receiver on hand.
98:20I think dynasty wise, both these guys look the part and that's what we should be excited about.
98:25And they're going to be more relevant because they're passing the ball in neutral situations more, more so than, uh, we thought they were.
98:32And Deshaun's playing better than we thought, but I'm not ready to crown Denzel Boston as a wide receiver too.
98:38Yeah, I like that. And by the way, this defensive coordinator is very good.
98:42They had a rough week one, but he coached with Jeff Ulbrich, who I should have given flowers to when we talked
98:49about the Atlanta Falcons, like losing both your pass rushers in Atlanta and still everyone's flying to the football.
98:54Uh, the Browns are flying to the football too.
98:57Like guys are playing with their hair on fire.
98:59So this coaching staff is, I think an a plus so far.
99:03Yep. Dallas Cowboys. Speaking of a plus Dak Prescott is playing great football.
99:07CD lamb playing great football. Javante Williams is scoring touchdowns.
99:10Hayden, there is only one question. It is George Pickens who is roughly like the wide receiver 38 right now.
99:15Is this a buy low window for the people out there for George Pickens?
99:20Yeah. I'm going to just keep calling him a buy low.
99:23I think that the price tag is starting to get definitely closer to, you know, wide receiver 16 rather than the wide
99:29receiver 10 that we drafted him as. Um, but I think to the general point is the Cowboys are picking up first downs at an elite rate.
99:37Dak Prescott is playing awesome football. They're pushing the ball down the field as well.
99:41Uh, Javante Williams getting home in like short yarded situations, but they're not like using Javante Williams to like, to the point
99:48that, you know, uh, George Pickens can't get the football.
99:51So I think better days are coming forward for, for George Pickens that said CD lamb has 25 receiving first downs this year.
99:57That is the second most in NFL history through four weeks, only behind 2011 West Welker with Tom Brady second most ever.
100:04Uh, and he recently did that against the Ravens and the Texans.
100:07And I just think it was like another awesome, uh, performance from the coaching staff that, you know, move CD lamb.
100:14So he was just not going to be seeing Derek Stingley for a large chunk of that game, including the game winner as well.
100:21So I think it's a well-coached team. Their offensive line is playing better and they're about to get their best offensive lineman back.
100:27His practice window just opened up this week. Someone like, uh, uh, Tyler Guyton, their left tackle is playing better football than we thought.
100:34Um, so like I want everybody on this offense.
100:37Like there's not a player I don't want. And that includes George Pickens.
100:41Yep. I mean, I look CD lamb has four touchdowns.
100:44He only had three last year. He's already overperforming there and George Pickens last season on the slants and in breakers and
100:50just every opportunity that he was given was, you know, being extremely efficient and was a model breaker on top of having insane volume.
100:57So with Dak playing at this level and through four games, the Cowboys offense ranking fifth in points per drive out of every offense since the year 2000.
101:05That's from Anthony Dabundo. Uh, to me, you're not going to get a piece that has declined in value as much of
101:12George Pickens and an offense that we should want every single piece of moving forward.
101:16So, uh, I would be aggressive and going to your friend, your league mate and saying, Hey, I know Pickens hasn't done
101:22it for you, but how about X, Y, Z who, uh, is performing much better than him so far this season?
101:28I think it's a great call. And I'm right there with you.
101:32Okay. So green, we have Packers. Um, I mean, I watched this game.
101:36The Packers offense is very straightforward. We care about Christian Watson.
101:39We care about Matthew golden, Tucker craft, finally learned and remembered how to play football once again.
101:44I still did not think that Jordan love was at his best.
101:47Um, I mean, through that red zone interception with four 26 to go only up by three points, but, uh, you know,
101:54he is in an environment that he knows that if he doesn't play great, then again, it gets back to that cyclical
102:00stuff where they don't have enough talent around him.
102:03Yeah. And, you know, like the Caleb Johnson fumbled, you know, like puts a magnifying glass on that.
102:08You know, sympathetic. I am to when a quarterback is stressing because he thinks there's going to be pressure because in the
102:15last eight plays there were, there was pressure. So like, even if that play there wasn't, you know, like it's, it's, there's
102:21a context here of, of why I think that he's not having his best season.
102:25Um, in terms of the running backs, I guess, like, I guess it would be Marshawn Lloyd again because Caleb Johnson had
102:32that fumble and they were using Marshawn Lloyd, uh, earlier on, uh, Chris Brooks picked up an injury.
102:37Like I'm not sure if it matters though. Um, they're, they're, they're trying new offensive linemen.
102:42Maybe that, that kind of settles things down. And I think that we're probably a couple of ways, a couple of weeks away from Josh Jacobs returning here.
102:50Um, but this offense feels pretty straightforward to me at this point.
102:53I've like kind of accepted what the offensive line is.
102:56I've accepted that Matthew gold and Christian Watson are awesome players and must plays.
103:00And I think Tucker craft is ramping up and playing like himself and like the rest of it.
103:06Like I don't think really matters. Yeah. This might just be the most straightforward conversation that we have all season long, unless
103:12they, you know, make a trade for a running back here in the near future for, you know, a team that might
103:18be going in the opposite direction of them. Let's put it that way.
103:22Okay. Let's talk the Houston Texans. Uh, I mean the Nico Collins trickle down is pretty insane.
103:27We, we brought it up last week and it just goes to show how important like the alpha wide receiver is for anyone out there.
103:34Um, yeah, I mean a true number one Ted Nguyen posted this EPA per play with Nico Collins.
103:40Uh, the explosive rate is 15.2% without him. That would drop down to 10, the EPA per play 0.13, uh, without him negative 0.12.
103:47And then the most important is points per drive 2.82.
103:50And that drops down to one without Nico. Sorry, you're breaking up on, on that, but I think you're talking about how good Nico Collins is.
103:57And I will say, I totally agree on the Nico Collins front, like completely just altered the exact, uh, ways that the
104:04Texans were getting to their, their concepts. And I think that he's one of the best wide receivers in the NFL and his stats have reflected that.
104:12And there's nobody else that really throw the ball to in this offense.
104:15So I think moving forward, I think Nico Collins would have a huge, he might not be a top five fantasy wide
104:22receiver, but he's not far from that. And I think that he's going to just go crazy the rest of the way.
104:28Yeah. I was just citing some random EPA and, you know, points per drive numbers and all that type of stuff.
104:34Uh, I feel like every other fantasy show is going to talk about Dave Montgomery.
104:39I feel like we've already had the Dave Montgomery conversation, including week one that right now he's a touchdown or bust fantasy asset and that's it.
104:46So you kind of have to pick your spots with him.
104:49I mean, the rushing overall from this team is, is just horrific.
104:53And we've seen over the last two weeks that the touchdown that they do score, Woody marks is the one that is out there.
105:00So I even think it's to the point where Dave Montgomery has almost no value in terms of selling because everyone knows
105:06he's just a dead zone back at this point.
105:09Largely agree. Last three games, 5.4 expected points, 8.2, and then 6.1.
105:12And I can, I feel pretty confident he's going to come under expectation.
105:16And like those are, you know, that's outside the top 30 and running backs.
105:20Um, so I guess you'd be like my running back 31 or something in, in rankings.
105:25Uh, but I don't feel, feel great about it.
105:28Um, this week though, they, they face the Tennessee Titans.
105:31So like this, like another spot where like in theory, there could be some more fourth quarter carries than usual, but it's, it's every other draft.
105:38It's as simple as that. Um, yeah, I mean, we've seen if you have a solid defensive line or even average, then you bully the Houston Texans defense.
105:46And then I think the Titans might be at that average and they have some great players on that defensive line too.
105:53Oh yeah. So, and then it's the Jaguars after that.
105:56Like if you play Dave Montgomery against the Jaguars, like good luck to you.
106:00You just hopefully he farts into the end zone.
106:02Okay. Yeah. Um, should we talk to Indianapolis Colts again?
106:05Not that many notes here. The first one is Daniel Jones.
106:08His yards per attempt is 31st in the NFL.
106:11Obviously when this team was number one in scoring for 10 plus games last year, uh, he was a statistical leader in
106:18every single category, but Hayden, I understand Josh Downs is out there in a bunch of two wide receiver sets.
106:23I understand he's running slightly different routes than he did before, and he's a full time player and yada yada.
106:29But if the ceiling is put on this team, then defenses can just get closer and closer.
106:34And there's just, I think a limit to what Josh Downs brings the table because he's also just more of a volume
106:41sponge and not a tight red zone scoring type wide receiver.
106:44Two things that have stood out to me watching the Colts in general is one, the offensive line doesn't feel as good
106:50to me as it did from a couple of years ago, particularly the tackle play hasn't been quite as strong.
106:56Um, and the other thing is the yards after the catch juice in this offense is just kind of escaped and they're
107:02not going to attempt to throw the ball down the field.
107:06Like this passing chart is perfect. Uh, a couple of plays just like from last week, there was like Laquan Treadwell underneath
107:12catches a pass, but he kind of bobbles it and then the guy just tackles them right away.
107:17Like with better wide receivers, that play goes for like a huge gain and it doesn't.
107:22There's been some times where I thought the same thing with Keenan Allen.
107:26Uh, I think that Tyler Warren and Josh Downs are like definitely good players, but they're kind of limited in what you can do with them.
107:33And that's exactly where you get with Keenan Allen at this point.
107:37So I, I'm not sure they're going to dig themselves out of this kind of dink and dunk.
107:42It's, it's almost like a PPR scammy kind of offense, uh, at this point, but they're going to like try to establish it with Jonathan Taylor first.
107:50So I think a lot of those passing charts that we just saw, like that's going to be the MO with the Colts.
107:57And I think that Josh Downs is going to like kind of hop around for a couple of really nice games, but
108:03he's just not going to be this like fully breakout player.
108:06Um, right. Because I just think that you can only use him in so many ways.
108:11Yeah. He was such an interesting player to talk about this summer because he was going into a role that he hasn't before.
108:18And oftentimes we attach an improved role to improve fantasy production.
108:21And while it might be that it might only be marginal because of the offense just being much worse and he still has limitations to his game.
108:29And if you're not adding touchdowns on top of that improved role, then there's not that much of a difference in what we were getting last year.
108:37Yep. Totally agree with that. Jacksonville Jaguars. Uh, great team.
108:40Some might say the best team in the AFC or top three at this point.
108:44Uh, they are interesting right now. They just aren't throwing the football very much.
108:48Uh, they rank 30th in past attempts. Uh, now they did have two blowout wins.
108:52And so, you know, they ran the ball and, you know, didn't have to put the pedal to the dirt in fourth
108:59quarters, but even in games like they lost to the Denver Broncos, um, or in this game that was tight with the
109:05Cincinnati Bengals that had like 23 and 29 passing attempts.
109:08So that kind of leads me to a point on Parker Washington here.
109:12If you're going to be that low in terms of passing the ball and you have this many mouths to feed that
109:18might lead to some variance or lower ceilings for PW, like against this Bengals defense, Britain strange got eight targets.
109:24Cause we just saw what Dalton Schultz did to them with 14 catches the previous week.
109:29And then you're down to 15 passing attempts to target four wide receivers and a running back.
109:34So I think that while Parker Washington is easily the best pass catcher on this team, and he's still an awesome, awesome, awesome player.
109:41This is different than like the new Orleans saints that are throwing at 23 more times per game.
109:46Yeah. Yeah. They're 30th in plays there. They're more middle of the pack in my fancy numbers, like neutral pass rate, uh, and neutral pace.
109:53They are like pretty much dead center, uh, on that chart there.
109:57So I think there's going to be bigger days for, for Parker Washington.
110:01Maybe not to like, you know, I had a bad ranking.
110:04I had a bad ranking on Parker Washington, like inside the top 12.
110:08Like maybe he's the, the, a very fun wide receiver 19 this year, uh, which would be a win versus where are we drafting him?
110:15Um, and then on the, the film, there were just too many moments where the bangles had like seven guys at the line of scrimmage.
110:22And then they quickly got the ball out to Brenton strange where they were like, you know, tapping helmets to kind of like signal.
110:29I'm just going to get the ball out really quick.
110:32There was a couple of screen attempts to Brenton strange there.
110:35There was also just some moments in isolation where Brenton strange versus a linebacker safety was just winning.
110:41And that's just kind of the MO of the bangles where like they're leaving players open over the middle of the field.
110:47That's where you should throw the football. And that's just kind of what happened there.
110:51It was not that DJ turned like completely erased Parker Washington.
110:55Like that, that did not happen in this game.
110:57It was just like, to your point, they didn't have that many plays.
111:01And when they did have pure dropbacks, Brenton strange was wide open for a lot of the game.
111:06And you know, that's how the cookie crumbles. Now they've only trailed, I think for seven minutes this entire season.
111:12So we haven't seen them have to press so far.
111:15Again, that speaks to how good the defense has been too.
111:18So in those moments, they definitely have the talent to have Parker Washington rip off certain games or whoever else have fantastic performances.
111:25So we'll get some of those at some point.
111:28I just wanted to lead with that because we have been this summer, some of the highest rankers of Parker Washington.
111:34And I know most of the viewers have, uh, have them on their team.
111:38Bachelot toot and just has his backfield. I mean, I understand Chris Rodriguez scored a touchdown here too, but, um, it's, it's been really nice.
111:45I think for four straight games for Bachelot toot and to show some good things.
111:49He had two touchdowns called back here. Yes. Uh, notice that, uh, he's RB 14 and carries per game, RB 33 and receptions per game.
111:57He just like looks good. So that's, you know, he's been the RB 16, RB 25 usage, you know?
112:02So I think pretty start at running back 18 and move them up and down from there for my weekly rankings is how I'm going to treat it.
112:10Should we talk about the Kansas city chiefs? Um, this is a tough conversation for me to have.
112:16Okay. First of all, I don't know if you saw any of like the civil court stuff or Tyree kill today.
112:22It's really brutal from his ex-wife, some allegations she's making.
112:25It's really bad. So unfortunately I do have to ask you Hayden, cause I brought it up on the waivers episode that
112:31there has been some links to Tyree kill joining the Kansas city chiefs because of the injuries that they've had to Tyquan Thornton and Rashi rice.
112:39Um, I said that if he's 80% of what he previously was after all these injuries, then he's easily the best wide receiver on the chiefs.
112:46And I would prioritize him. Uh, if you want to answer that, you can, if you want to add more or you
112:53don't, you don't have to, uh, I don't think Tyree kills in play football again.
112:57Okay. Got it. Yep. Uh, anything else you want to say about the Kansas city chiefs?
113:02Like how do they replace Tyquan Thornton? How do they replace Rashi rice?
113:06Uh, because Patrick Holmes is playing good football. Um, and they are going under center more.
113:10They're getting more single high looks. They're doing all the stuff that we want, but other than Charles Kelsey, is there going to be anyone to maximize them?
113:18Because this answer would have been really easy if we got Tyquan Thornton healthy, but unfortunately he's going to miss the remainder of the year.
113:26I didn't see this passing chart, but that is exactly what we're talking about this off season in that they're going to be more under center.
113:33They're going to run the ball and then they're going to take more shot plays, you know, like traditional football.
113:39Uh, and that's what we got there, but it's just going to be much harder to do without Tyquan.
113:45I think this is a team that can get somebody for pretty cheap.
113:48Um, moving forward, Calvin Ridley kind of, you know, Jerry Judy, there's veterans out here that could help them out there with, for the Tyquan Thornton stuff.
113:56So I don't know who that's going to be yet.
113:59It's good news for Rashi rice at the chiefs have a buy this week.
114:03So I think, you know, the stuff that we're talking about right now, it's not going to largely matter for the big chunk of the season.
114:11I think that they will make a move for somebody because they can't do, you know, Jalen Royals, uh, out there.
114:17They don't trust them. They never used them. And then Cyrus Allen is not a downfield threat.
114:22So the player that's coming into this role is not on the football team currently.
114:26And I can't wait to see who it is.
114:29Yeah. I wonder if we get some answers. I mean, we'll have to after that by week and they'll have some, you
114:35know, extra time to think about it and figure it out.
114:39Like Jalen Royals played almost every single snap when Rashi rice went down and it didn't matter.
114:44Like he was non-existent though. Really one play he's made this year, uh, has been that one near the goal line, um,
114:50that he kind of leaked out and then scored a touchdown on.
114:53So, um, we'll see. Next let's talk about Brock Bowers.
114:56Uh, our buddy Adam Levitan on this Las Vegas Raiders team pointed out where Brock Bowers is, you know, lining up out wide.
115:0361 snaps slot. 45 snaps in line, 16 snaps and the backfield.
115:07Just two snaps. He's won 83 of 90 routes on Kirk Cousins dropbacks this year.
115:11Uh, you termed him immediately a round one pick after he got back on the field.
115:16And that is only being proven out more and more.
115:19He's averaging 19.1 expected half PPR points. That is, you know, that's would be the wide receiver one overall.
115:24Uh, like if he keeps this up, we're talking about an all time season.
115:28It's a, it's as simple as that. And I have no reason to think that this is not going to be kept up.
115:35Um, we saw them trailing and last week and you know, the ball is just going to get funneled to him more so in those environments.
115:42So yeah, I would take them easily in the first round and hopefully his knee could hold up.
115:48Yep. But it's the Patriots and the bills over the next two games here for Brock powers.
115:53I mean, this is, this is the stuff we want.
115:56It is almost symmetrical every single week where you just see these in breakers from each of the slot, uh, every single
116:02time overs and overs and overs and crossing routes.
116:05And it's great. Like Clint Kubiak knows how to funnel the football to his best players.
116:09And he is funding the football to Brock powers.
116:12That Kirk cousins touchdown to powers where he was buying some time spun around and the I forget which chiefs defender.
116:18It was, was like staring at them. Couldn't believe his eyes.
116:21Uh, I thought that play was, was awesome. Uh, I will say real quick on the running backs.
116:26They're really low on that bottom left quadrant and a lot of the rushing metrics, you know, like once again, like, you
116:33know, it's, I think everyone's kind of a little bit at blame here.
116:37I think that Gentry made some nice plays and other plays just couldn't fully hit the hole.
116:42Um, uh, so yeah, I think he's going to be a totally fine pick.
116:46He's the RB 10 and RB three usage. So the usage is there.
116:50Uh, we just, we're waiting for the big explosive plays from him.
116:53He caught that one ball and, and got to the corner.
116:56Uh, but you know, he's, he's, he's the only outlier at running back when terms, in terms of like my models expected
117:03points and how many points are actually scoring right now.
117:06So just waiting for more data, I guess. Yeah.
117:08And you know how they opened the game in the first three series, as I talked about on Sunday, it was nine
117:15snaps for one, nine snaps for the other. And so some assumptions were made that, Hey, is that because, you know, they
117:21wanted Mike Washington to get more of the rushing work and then Ashton Gentry still recovering from this ankle and all that type of stuff.
117:28But obviously in the second half, uh, it was a lot more Ashton Gentry.
117:32So maybe that's a tell that we'll get that more.
117:35So moving forward. I just simply wanted to end on Kirk cousins.
117:39Uh, you pointed out he's making some plays. I think he leads the NFL in touchdown passes right now with 11.
117:45Um, so far over the last three weeks, the quarterback 10, the quarterback 11 and the quarterback four, the first week against
117:51the dolphins was the only week he did not throw down the field.
117:55We know this Clint Kubiak offense. You have to throw it on the field and you do it very successfully.
118:01I mean, are we in territory with bi-week villains for Bryce young and Patrick Mahomes?
118:05Are we in bi-week fill in territory here with Kirk cousins with how he's playing right now?
118:10Um, the Raiders are predicting for 21 points this upcoming week in new England, you know, so that's 20th and Kirk comes,
118:17you know, he's running more than he has before, but he's not running at all like for actual fancy points.
118:23So, you know, uh, I would say no, not, not in this matchup.
118:26Okay. I mean, I would also say that Kansas is at home, but the Kansas city chiefs defense is better than the Patriots one.
118:33And he just posted quarterback four week on that.
118:36So it's, uh, he's playing good football. I mean, it's very Kirk cousins of, I'm going to hit my back foot and
118:42let it rip and we'll see where the football goes, but, uh, he's decisive.
118:46He's playing good enough to keep Fernando on the bench.
118:49Let's talk about LA chargers. Again, we could talk a lot or we could talk a little about the chargers.
118:55That's where they are at this moment. Um, I kind of want to go into the, some fantasy narratives here real quick.
119:02Like there's been a lot of love for Keaton Mitchell this week.
119:05I would love to get your thoughts on it.
119:08I know that the backfield is split split three ways.
119:11I know that Keaton Mitchell is up to about 45% of backfield touches, but just overall, I do not see this getting
119:17to the point where Mike McDaniel builds a rushing attack around Keaton Mitchell.
119:21And also to the point where the team environment is good enough for us to want to start Keaton Mitchell every single
119:27week, especially with now this Ray Sean Slater, massive injury.
119:30Yeah. The Ray Sean injury, the lad McConkie injury on top of it, you know, like they're going to be bottom five
119:37ish and projected points, I think for the next couple of games here.
119:40So, you know, that's the starting point. The second starting point is Kamani Vidal is playing on pure passing situations like late down snaps.
119:47And he was getting some, some run early in that game.
119:51And then Omar and Hampton gets the goal line carry in this one, even though they were down a couple of scores late in that game.
119:58So it's an uphill battle, like five different ways for Keaton Mitchell.
120:02All that said, he was the RB 29 in usage in week three, and then the RB 26 in usage last week against the bills and the Seahawks.
120:10So like he should be very close to Omar and Hampton in weekly rankings.
120:14Moving forward, Hampton's more likely to score a touchdown.
120:17And I mean, at this point, more likely to catch some passes and maybe rip an explosive like that does feel like it's Keaton Mitchell.
120:24You ultimately just don't want either one of them in your fantasy lineup.
120:28So. Correct. Like I keep mentioning, hey, Trey Harris could be a nice ad because of this lad injury, because he's just
120:34out playing Quentin Johnson, I feel like. And then you look at the schedule and you look at the projected totals and
120:41yeah, it's about 17 and a half each and every game.
120:44And how would you want to? And, you know, that's before these offensive line injuries.
120:48So like, how would you want to invest in in that team at this point?
120:52Okay. Anything on the LA Rams? Again, very straightforward here.
120:55We got Pukunakua back. Hey, you know, on this show, we love to talk about our death league.
121:01I think it is now three straight weeks who the person that either had or added Pukunakua to their roster has been
121:07killed off in our Yahoo death league. You and I are still at it.
121:11Hey, that might be the fourth. We'll see. Yeah.
121:14Well, I have $11. So it's not going to be me.
121:17Most likely. The Pukunakua stuff is very challenging because he's awesome.
121:20And at the same time, he has a pre-hernia, which means that he's got a partial hernia, which means he's, I think,
121:27kind of likely to have the full hernia. And I forget which player.
121:30Somebody just had hernia surgery and they're like, we'll see him in six weeks.
121:34I forget who it was. It's Tank Bigsby. Tank Bigsby.
121:37Yes, that's right. I mean, what are the odds he's out six weeks?
121:41Versus what are the odds he is the highest scoring player at wide receiver for the rest of the season?
121:47That's the range of outcomes on Pukunakua. I thought that he had a great game here, obviously.
121:52I didn't say that he was like, there goes the speed.
121:55So I wouldn't be surprised if he's at 85% health, but he's so physical.
121:59His ball skills are so good. He's such a focal point in the offense that he's still going to get it done
122:06as a top five fantasy wide receiver. But I would be open to selling him depending on what you're getting back.
122:12You better get some awesome players back. But the pre-hernia stuff, that is making me nervous.
122:16So that's all I got. Okay. What do we do quickly with Devontae Adams when Pukunakua is out there?
122:22I'm just looking for it because Devontae Adams was the wide receiver 62 this week at 5.2 fantasy points.
122:28He was the wide receiver 41 in week one when Pukunakua was also out there.
122:32And then in between, you know, just a cool 35 and 17 fantasy points when Pukunakua was out.
122:37This is where you guys have to smooth the lines.
122:40He was the wide receiver 10 in expected points last week, despite the pretty much like air ball in the box score.
122:47He was this close to a almost perfect pass from Matthew Stafford in the back of the end zone that hit his hands barely.
122:54And then there's another hole shot that barely was missed as well.
122:57So I went out on the recapture and I was saying that Stafford was like barely off.
123:02It was the throws particularly to Devontae Adams. It was not because he's not getting the right volume.
123:07He had nine targets last week. So there's enough for both of them to get home.
123:12They're projected for the second most points. So what to do with Adams?
123:16You play him as a wide receiver one. All right.
123:19Let's talk next about the Miami Dolphins. Uh, Ollie Gordon broke fancy football group.
123:23Think, uh, it was basically like two counterplays. Like I tried to remember them during the recap show, but it looked like the same run over and over.
123:31And while some slight differences, it was the same spot.
123:34Uh, he did pull away. He, he did create some yards on his own and it was against the Minnesota Vikings defense.
123:40Um, you know, maybe I actually thought about this afterwards of, Hey, we all think this is going to happen with Ollie
123:47Gordon because he's going to split work with Jalen Wright, which really didn't happen that much.
123:51And, you know, Devon H and who's a better player was only scoring 9.5 fancy points, blah, blah, blah.
123:57But Hayden, should we have been on the opposite end of this to the point where how often does a running back
124:03starter wind up on the waiver wire? And really no matter who that is or what the environment is, we should not
124:10blindly put money into that, but care more about that than all the other noise that's attached to it.
124:15Nope. I'm going to double down. I think that Ollie Gordon is a sell and I don't think he's going to be very fantasy relevant.
124:22Uh, first of all, Jalen Wright got the first, uh, running back, uh, carries of the game.
124:27As you can see on the chart there, uh, he ran all the guard Gordon ran seven routes.
124:33Um, so he's not going to get that part of the, uh, playbook.
124:36He was out there for 22 of 39 snaps throughout the game.
124:40I think he's an okay NFL backup. I don't think that he's going to like make the most out of his touches.
124:46And that was the first week back for Jalen Wright coming off of injury as well.
124:51Uh, and Jalen Wright was ahead of Ollie Gordon, um, uh, in like training camp as well.
124:56So I think this one is far from, uh, over.
124:59He was the RB 36 and expected points. He had two big runs.
125:03It happens. Uh, but most of the time there's not going to be big runs in this offense.
125:08And I think that both of these players are going to be in my RB thirties.
125:13Uh, and you know, if people are treating him as like a RB two moving forward, I would absolutely sell it.
125:19Anything you want to say about your guy, Chris bell, who nearly had an awesome 80 plus yard touchdown, uh, yet his
125:25right pinky toe was out of bounds. This isn't one of the offenses I haven't watched, uh, in the past game.
125:31So more on that later, I guess. Yes. And more Malik Washington, who truly is like a five for 45 player each and every week.
125:39So your PPR scam, uh, you know, by week filling that his name is Malik Washington.
125:43Moving on the New York jets. Um, you can't really talk about their offense when they have 32 plays.
125:49I will say on some level, this could potentially be the worst kind of defense.
125:53The one we talk about a lot where they give up yards, but not in huge chunks, just over and over long series.
126:00Cause they can't get stops. Uh, or that's just, you know, the Ben Johnson special.
126:04And we don't have to worry about that in other games when they don't face the Chicago bears.
126:09Yeah. Fourth fewest plays in a game, uh, in NFL history, the jets at 32.
126:14Um, good news is Braylon Allen was out there for 30 of the 32.
126:18So, yep. Yep. That's going to be enough. The floor was set last week.
126:22He was the RB 28 and expected half PPR points, 14 carries two receptions.
126:26Typically you've run literally twice as many places with the jets did.
126:30So I'm still holding the line as a rock solid RB too.
126:33Yep. But I'm, I'm right there with you. I was just going to check where the New York jets are in projected points this week.
126:40Uh, they're at 21 and a quarter against the Browns favored by two and a half.
126:45So this is your Braylon Allen spot. That is very little respect for the Cleveland Browns.
126:50Okay. I screwed up. We might do the Philadelphia Eagles near the top.
126:54I did not copy them to the top. So now let's talk about the Philadelphia Eagles Hayden.
126:58There's a lot happening. Lane Johnson today announced his retirement.
127:01I know you have some off on splits and just wins and losses overall with Lane Johnson in and out of the lineup.
127:08What are they? He had a 66% winning percentage in his career starts in the, uh, 2021 era with Jalen hurts.
127:14They won 75% of their games without, uh, Lane Johnson.
127:17They won 41% of the games, uh, over those last five or six years.
127:21They've scored 4.7 more points per game with him in the lineup than without him.
127:26Like that is almost impossible to be that good where like as a right tackle, you have that severe of on off
127:32splits, but that's partially because the quarterback and his sensitivity to pressure.
127:36And then I would say also just over the years, the Eagles like past protection plan has just been a little bit wonky.
127:42And I think this year it's gotten worse. Uh, so as I kick it over to you, my biggest thing is the
127:49Eagles have a 23% unblocked pressure rate this year.
127:51Uh, 65% of their pressures are of the unblocked variety.
127:54Uh, I was listening to the QB school, break this one down, uh, on the, the, the Hertz dropbacks.
128:00There is just not enough of a plan for the past protection and Jalen hurts doesn't set protections and the modern defenses.
128:06I think maybe the biggest thing most recently is it seems like the defenses know the past protection rules as well as the offenses do.
128:13And if you have a weakness there, they're going to just not at it for the rest of the game.
128:19So no one else is near them and unblocked pressure rate in the entire NFL.
128:24The dolphins are kind of close to them, but it really is.
128:27They're an outlier team. And I think that's for structural reasons.
128:30And that will only get worse without Lane Johnson.
128:33Yeah. Someone on the Eagles beat said that both Kevin Petula last year and Sean Manion this year have said that they
128:39can't do certain things on offense because of what the defense is doing.
128:43Uh, a great point from Deontay Lee who said, it's funny that the way Philly talks about their offense is never how
128:50you hear Ben Johnson, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, or KOC talk about their offense.
128:54Let the Eagles coaches tell it. They're only offense in football that get defensive looks that make the game inconvenient.
129:00Uh, yeah. I mean, you should dictate things. The defense should not dictate things to you.
129:04Um, it kind of goes back to, I mean, this is a year long conversation about Jalen hurts that in super bowls
129:11in pivotal moments, he's had some of his best games.
129:14But then when you have unfortunate situations and the Eagles are probably in the most unfortunate situation now than they have been
129:20versus a couple of years ago when they went on that losing streak to end the year.
129:25And, you know, Todd Bowles blitz him to death and he had no answer for it.
129:30We're just going to back in that, you know, and it doesn't feel like this one is any different than that.
129:36And it feels worse. And to me, Hayden, this is almost an end of an era steamrolling towards us where the Lane
129:42Johnson stuff that you just brought up. You have Landon Dickerson who has been fantastic.
129:46And then he sucked in week one and basically removed himself.
129:50Cam Juergens, his replacement at center now has to move to left guard.
129:53And he's been arguably one of the worst offensive linemen in the league.
129:57And now he's self-reported for a concussion. And then I think there are some other pieces where, you know, they make the A.J.
130:04Brown trade. And then Howie Roseman has been put in a position.
130:07And he's been fantastic for the last decade of building this roster to what it is.
130:12To replace pieces on defense like Nikobe Dean's gone.
130:15So Jihad Campbell pops in. Well, Jihad Campbell's not playing like Nikobe Dean was, right?
130:19Then you have at the safety spot, Reed Blankenship.
130:22Well, Makub was not playing that way either. Then you lose A.J.
130:25Brown. So you sign Mikhail or you draft Mikhail Lemon and Eli Stowers.
130:29That's not a one-to-one here. So Saquon Barkley. Well, you're not blocking for him.
130:33And he's left two games after three snaps because he's injured in both.
130:37So the wheels are coming off, you know? And when the wheels come off and bad things happen, and people in Philadelphia
130:43talk as they should, and then after kind of putting the quarterback in a bit of a bubble, now we can ask questions about it.
130:51And then that goes up to the head coach and the OC on top of it.
130:55Because the head coach and the OC, and especially the head coach who doesn't call plays on either side of the ball,
131:02is not really a problem solver right now. So what does that give you, Hayden?
131:06Where does that put Eagles right now and the rest of the season?
131:10I think the season's largely a wrap. I think they're too good to completely kind of fall out of the picture.
131:16But they're at best a wildcard team to me.
131:19And I think that Nick Ciarani is not going to survive until 2027.
131:22Hayden Roseman gets really aggressive. And I think that he's realizing what he has at head coach right now.
131:28And looking at the Jalen Hurts contract, they could get out of his contract this offseason.
131:33They wouldn't be saving that much money. They would be eating like $42 million or so.
131:37But in the modern NFL, teams have shown that they can do that.
131:41And 2027, that's his last year where he's actually on the roster for sure.
131:45So I think it's well said. This is the end of the era.
131:49Brandon Graham, Lane Johnson, Kelsey, all those guys are out of there.
131:52The trenches is a completely new era. And I think that how he builds through the trenches, and I think that he's
131:59realizing everything beyond the trenches, they have to kind of start from scratch.
132:03And I think that's going to be for sure at head coach and play caller.
132:07And then I think maybe even Jalen Hurts is kind of, this could be the last season that they really look at him as the franchise player.
132:15And don't get me wrong. Windows to win are real.
132:18And they won in this window. You know, they've been fantastic.
132:21Yes. But they aren't immune to it. Now, at the same time, someone of Howie Roseman's caliber, who's kind of already done
132:27this in the past too, that can turn around in an offseason or two.
132:32We have seen that across the league as well.
132:34So I'm not saying an end of the window means that the team is going to stink and suffer for long.
132:40I just think that some of the headline pieces are going to move away as we go through this.
132:46Like you said, Howie gets aggressive. Speaking of replacements, is your read that Will Shipley comes in here and is the lead ball carrier for the Philadelphia Eagles?
132:54It is my read. But I think the problem with that is the Eagles are projected for 17 and three quarters points against Jacksonville.
133:01And, you know, if Saquon Barkley... But it could be a multi-week thing.
133:05You know, like... Yes. The Saquon hamstring looked awful.
133:07He could barely walk on it. So I understand the matchup against the Jaguars is horrific.
133:12And it's a seven and a half point spread at this point.
133:16But Will Shipley is one of these players who came into the league as mostly a passing down guy.
133:21You and I have joked that he looks bigger in the NFL than he did in college.
133:26He does. He's, I don't think, had more than 10 carries in a game.
133:30But I would like to think that he will own the backfield in comparison to Damian Pierce and Jaden Blue here.
133:36Yeah. I mean, no one has trusted Jaden Blue ever.
133:39And Damian Pierce is, you know, Damian Pierce at this point.
133:42So I think it's very clearly going to be Will Shipley.
133:46And he got the ball a lot in college in all phases.
133:49So I think it's kind of one of those where, like, this will be the best two weeks of his career and, like, the most involved he'll be.
133:57And he handled the ball at Clemson a ton.
134:00So I think they're going to live and die by it.
134:03I think the offensive line is completely smoked. Like, I don't know what Cam Juergens is doing out there for a lot of those snaps.
134:10Yeah. And, you know, they've already replaced. Like, they had to move him to left guard to get the second string or really the third string center in.
134:19And then, no, second string. And now they have to get either the third string center in or the third string left guard in.
134:26And then also the second string right tackle, who's Markel Bell.
134:29And he's a massive human being. But there's going to be some ups and downs there for sure.
134:34Yes. Yes. But with the backup center, they failed a tush push.
134:38And then they also had a fumbled or a bobbled exchange in short yardage.
134:42So, like, going to the backup center, like, making some pretty critical errors for the Eagles.
134:46And they lost that game because in short yards, they couldn't pick up first downs.
134:51Let's talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are the second best team when going under center this year.
134:56Now, again, we're not talking about number of snaps there.
134:59But anything you want to say here on the Steelers and what they look like outside of Jalen Warren owning that backfield?
135:05You know, I was going to bring up Jalen Warren.
135:08He's been awesome as the starter. He doesn't come off the field.
135:12I saw a report that they're going to get Rico Dowdle back involved once he comes back.
135:17Like, you know, it's not going to be the same split as it was.
135:21Like, you cannot watch these two players and think that they deserve equal touches.
135:25So, yeah, I think Jalen Warren's good at football.
135:27And then I think the offensive line is in a better place now than it was, like, in the first week or two of the season.
135:35And I think that's going to help everybody. Yep, I agree.
135:38I'm at the point, well, in one of my leagues, I have to start DK Metcalf on a weekly basis.
135:44He is the wide receiver 35. He's a roller coaster.
135:47But again, with the offensive line improving, he's been, you know, had two nice weeks at 10.6 and 14.
135:52Yes. Fancy points per game over the last two.
135:55I mean, he is clearly their best wide receiver.
135:58The Roman Wilson stuff is off and on, off and on, in that, you know, in week three, he has the tip
136:04that leads to an interception and then he's benched for Jeremy Bernard and Harry pops back.
136:09And he's one of these, like, small dose players that when he gets targeted on the field, it's big explosives.
136:15So it's almost a thorn in our side for someone like DK Metcalf.
136:18Yeah. Um, I don't think he's involved enough to, to trust.
136:22Um, but I will say like the Michael Pittman stuff, like nobody has ever like spoken positively about Michael Pittman in Pittsburgh
136:28so far, which is like so strange to me because Indianapolis absolutely loved him and he's a veteran and stuff.
136:34So like, I don't know what's going on with, with all that, but, um, yeah, I'm not doing the Roman Wilson stuff.
136:40Okay. San Francisco 49ers. I mean, I almost want to lead off with maybe the best fantasy pickup so far this season
136:47after week one, Debo Samuel is the wide receiver 15 on the year.
136:51Uh, getting pieces of offenses was, you know, somewhat cheap.
136:53It's gotten more expensive and yet he was the cheapest.
136:56He was totally free for all of you. And, uh, he's going to be playing a lot of snaps because they are
137:03rotating with Mike Evans and the rib and Debo Samuel on a snap count.
137:07And they just don't have that many bodies out there.
137:10In fact, they lost Kyle. You check for a bit of time here too.
137:14Yeah. He's cleared 15 fantasy points in three or four games.
137:17Um, he kind of does it in new ways every single week on top of that.
137:22Uh, yeah, I think that he's, he's running really pure, obviously on, you know, you score an ADR hook and ladder touchdown,
137:28like things, things are going well, but, uh, the 49ers still haven't allowed a sack.
137:33So, you know, that's a lot of dropbacks that are converting to fantasy points.
137:37Uh, and Brock Purdy is playing well. Shannon is absolutely in his bag.
137:40Um, and you know, everyone else is playing, playing through stuff and Debo, Debo Samuel is like healthy right now.
137:46Yes. Big agree. I mean, we haven't said anything about CMC or Brock Purdy.
137:50They are easy, easy starts on a weekly basis.
137:53And George Kittle is the same exact thing. One of the best values in drafts this summer.
137:58Uh, Seattle Seahawks are next. Um, they was reported that they were going to sign Joe Mixon to the practice squad and
138:04Joe Mixon is not joining this team's practice squad.
138:07So Hayden, I think you kind of could have viewed him as maybe some insurance until Zach Charbonnet came back.
138:13But this only adds to the Emmanuel Wilson work.
138:15Moving forward, a guy that got four targets in week four, including two design screens, and then an escort screen on top of that too.
138:23Yep. I mean, this is what a top 15-ish fantasy running back looks like.
138:27He was RB 15 exactly in expected fantasy points last week.
138:30And then he was better than that in the actual box score.
138:33You know, I think he's had like some moments on film.
138:37I'm not gonna say he's a great player, but he's good enough to kind of hold the line.
138:42And I think the Zach Charbonnet stuff, they'll be realistic and get him out there in about a month from now.
138:48Um, so I will have a very aggressive ranking on Emmanuel Wilson.
138:52You can only use George Halani and the ways they've used George Halani, which has been as a receiver and then a
138:58change of pace guy, like, you know, at the 42-yard line.
139:01So he's gonna get all the goal line touchdowns.
139:04And, you know, I still trust this offense. I should have brought this up when I talked about the 49ers, but these two teams are playing each other.
139:12For the 49ers and the point totals we've seen attached to them, it's different against the Seahawks defense.
139:17They're projected for fewer than 22 points. So we can use this Seahawks team to talk about the 49ers.
139:23Despite a 21 and three quarters points projection, you're still going with, obviously, Brock Purdy and George Kittle.
139:28And then CMC is a no brainer. Yeah. But what about the peripheral pieces?
139:32We have a wide receiver ranking show that I'll have to finalize my final points with Mike Evans and Debo, but wide
139:39receiver 27 right now is not that strong across the league.
139:42And, you know, like, if I'm playing Marvin Harrison in a league, then I think that Debo Samuel and Mike Evans are,
139:48like, right in that mix as well. Final note on the Seahawks.
139:52They did get, like, two legit design carries for Rashid Shahid.
139:55I'm not saying he's going to get, like, 10 running back snaps out there.
139:59But that is, if you talk about change of pace, you could not get more different in change of pace between Emmanuel
140:05Wilson and Rashid Shahid in terms of getting to the edge and the speed and catching defenses off balance.
140:11Let's put it that way. Yes. Totally agree. Two more teams.
140:14Yes. On JSN, Yahoo drafters that drafted JSN have won 62% of their games.
140:18That's the highest of any wide receiver through four weeks.
140:21That's higher than the Jameer Gibbs teams and the Bijon teams at 101 and 102.
140:25So, JSN, I mean, just, like, even with last week's down performance has just been absolutely shredding it.
140:31And especially if you were able to draft him eighth overall.
140:34Right, Hayden? Yeah. That must be a lot. Yeah.
140:37Pretty good. That was insane. Insane. Okay. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
140:39So, I went back and watched every single dropback of Jalen Daniels.
140:43And in the nicest way possible, I want to say that he was not the worst quarterback in week four and not
140:49even close to the worst quarterback in week four.
140:52I'll go as far to say, Hayden, that Jalen Daniels is kind of fun.
140:56You know? Yeah. He was ripping some passes against zone.
140:59And if Zach Robinson and these wide receivers gave him a bit more space to those pass catchers and tight man coverage,
141:05then Jalen Daniels' day would have been even easier because he was trying to fire it in there against corners that were
141:12hanging on wide receivers and they couldn't come down with passes for him.
141:16I would say I'm a fan for life with Jalen Daniels after that game alone.
141:20Like, that guy was... There were guys just draped all over him the entire game.
141:24We talked about this in previous episodes. The Buccaneers' offensive line is definitely not the best offensive line in the NFL right now.
141:31And I don't know if that's exactly coaching or whatever it is.
141:35I haven't studied it in detail enough to know that.
141:38But I would say that's been an issue. He's trying to make plays down the field in some tight windows.
141:43But that is a lot of tight windows. And I would say on the Chris Godwin, Cade Otten in particular, those two got the ball a lot.
141:51That was not a whole lot of yak moments between all those guys and some crucial drops along the way.
141:57And then I would even say Emeka Ibuka is not quite as explosive as I'm wanting him to be as well.
142:03So, yeah, I think Jalen was not the primary reason why they lost that game.
142:08I thought everyone did their part of losing that game.
142:10And he attempted a couple throws, ran a little bit on top of that.
142:15And I think he's going to be a long-term backup.
142:17I liked what I saw. What was the end-of-game sequence that they had inside the five-yard line?
142:22Okay. So you're talking about the running back situation in general?
142:26Yes. Yes. So the Buccaneers had five plays with one yard to go throughout the game.
142:30Two of them were in the two-minute drill. And those went to Kenny Gainwell.
142:34So there was other moments where it was second and one or third and one, a couple of them at the goal line.
142:41Sean Tucker subbed in for all three of those runs.
142:44He only played three snaps that game. So Sean Tucker played three snaps.
142:48They were all with one yard to go, including the goal line touchdown.
142:52And that goes to the point with Bucky Irving is now that we've kind of recalibrated what this offense is going to be.
142:58And Sean Tucker is now entering in on all the short yardage work.
143:02And Kenny Gainwell's playing in the two-minute drill. I mean, that's a difficult profile to get home for Bucky Irving.
143:08So he's going to be very low. Like, warning, he's going to be extremely low in my running back rankings this next week, kind of until proven otherwise.
143:16Yeah. Zach Robinson got on the microphone and said, I need to figure out ways to get Sean Tucker and Kenny Gainwell to football.
143:23That is not the biggest issue with your offense, my friend.
143:26I think the biggest issue with Zach Robinson is the opposite of what I brought up with Edzik earlier in terms of
143:33their zero variety in what Zach Robinson brings to the table.
143:36They've been in 11 personnel, 83, 85, and 90% of the time in three of the games this season.
143:41It's just all too predictable. And sure, he like spams emotions.
143:45He does all that type of stuff. But I'm not sure if Zach Robinson is cut out to be a play caller in the NFL.
143:52I am at that point based on what we saw last year with the Atlanta Falcons, based on what we're seeing this year with this team.
144:00The entire league is going to more diverse looks and he's not.
144:03He's kind of stuck of what this used to be.
144:06So I don't know. They were not doing their undrafted for agent quarterback that many favors from a protection standpoint.
144:12He created a lot of plays, shrugging off sacks, solving problems.
144:15And we have seen the best play callers in the NFL solve problems for their backup quarterbacks.
144:20And that certainly was not Zach Robinson. Yep. Yeah.
144:23I like Jalen Daniels. Like, he's kind of an agent of chaos and like, I'm here for it.
144:28Whole world's going to see him on Thursday Night Football.
144:31Like, I think that's kind of exciting because I doubt anyone went back and watched him in this game now.
144:37They are eight and a half point underdogs. But, you know, Jalen Daniels, I think, is going to make that one a bit more exciting.
144:44A bit more exciting than that. I think he's good enough to like make some throws against the Cowboys for like pretty bad secondary right now.
144:51I agree. You know, I'm not sure if I'm going to be starting a Mecca because, but like, it's not as dire
144:58of a situation as it could have been. Yeah.
145:01I have one dynasty league where I have Lamar and Bryce Young as my quarterbacks and with, I think it's Kirk Cousins as a fill-in.
145:08So I have to make the call if I want to start Jalen Daniels on Thursday night over Lamar and anticipate him
145:14missing this game or not have a super flex quarterback in that league.
145:18So it's rough. I would go Jalen. It's rough.
145:21Okay. I think I was a Jalen. Me too.
145:23Me too. Okay. Let's close with the Washington Commanders here.
145:26Just like what I talked about with who was it?
145:29Keon Coleman earlier in the episode. If I knew that Terry McLaurin was going to miss this game, I would be scooping
145:36up Antonio Williams everywhere because he looks very, very good to my eyeballs.
145:39And I think if he played in two wide receiver sets and played over 70% of the time or let's say 70%,
145:46he would get a ton of fancy points. And I actually think that there's some hidden value here because his ADR touchdown
145:52got called back in comparison to Deami Brown and Traylon Burks having their long play stick.
145:57This is a team I've not watched yet, so I'll keep my notes.
146:01Pretty light. Yeah. Antonio Williams is like an interesting prospect, kind of an inside-outside kind of physical slot wide receiver type to me.
146:07Like, maybe a little bit better at the catch point than other wide receivers that kind of have been drafted in that range.
146:14So I'm open to it. He's one of the players that I think looks different in the NFL that he did in
146:20college in that he has more outside juice and outside speed than I was anticipating.
146:25And I kind of compared him to Tyler Boyd who was more of, you know, the power slot-ish type thing underneath type player.
146:32Antonio Williams should be good enough that I think still all of you should go out and pick him up, maybe not spend as much.
146:39But because Deami Brown and Traylon Burks are still getting like 50% to 60% of the routes and snaps here, at some
146:45point you would like to think that that's going to even out and it's going to go more towards the rookie and
146:52when it does and then when they run 11 personnel stuff and Tony Williams could be the biggest beneficiary of that.
146:58So stay ahead and get ahead on the rookie.
147:00All right, let's close out the show. Let's close out the show.
147:04Thank you all for tuning in. This has been a long episode.
147:07I can tell. Thank you all for watching. We have rankings episodes tomorrow and on Friday with a top five fantasy football ranker in the world.
147:15Hayden Winks right now. Let's get to four and three and two and one by the end of the season and you
147:21all can help us out by tuning in for those episodes.
147:25Thanks to the production team behind the scenes and all of you for watching Up the Velo.
147:30See you guys next time.

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