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Fantasy Football Week 5 Recap - We Have It Figured Out!

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1 hr 45 min
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Oct 12, 2026
Published
Mon, October 12, 2026
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Jaylen WarrenJayden DanielsJa'Marr ChaseAlvin KamaraChase BrownChris OlaveColston LovelandDK MetcalfEmanuel WilsonJameis WinstonMalik NabersNajee HarrisRico DowdleTee Higgins
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Aaron Rodgers

PositiveProjection67:33

Aaron Rodgers found parts of his game that were thought to be dead and brought them back alive in Week 5 against Indianapolis; showed renewed effectiveness.

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Alvin Kamara

NegativeUsage61:47

Failed to score in Week 5 despite being started by fantasy managers; lost goal-line work to Kendra Miller, who received all the carries inside the five-yard line and punched in an early touchdown, limiting Kamara's scoring opportunity.

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NegativeProjection66:40

Alvin Kamara's fantasy value becomes unreliable if Tyler Shuck has a broken hand; the highs seen earlier in season can't be trusted moving forward, making him unserious for fantasy purposes alongside Juwan Johnson.

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Antonio Williams

NegativeRole27:12

Williams is a rookie receiver on the Commanders; Matt Harmon likes him but notes he's part of a limited receiving corps, especially when Diggs is not playing.

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Brandin Cooks

PositiveRole16:00

Brandon Cooks showed up late in 49ers-Seahawks game with a touchdown; Mike McDonald called timeout before the play, forcing a redo, but Cooks caught the same touchdown design on scramble with Brock Purdy; Harmon notes the 49ers are going to need Brandon Cooks at this point given injuries to Debo Samuel and Jacob Cowan.

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Brock Bowers

PositiveProjection7:00

Brock Bowers went 10 targets, 8 receptions, 110 yards and a touchdown against Patriots' depleted secondary (top two corners out); became second-fastest tight end in NFL history to 2000 yards (only behind Mike Ditka); Harmon notes he's now uncoverable and will face top corners moving forward; still only 19-20% snaps in line but completely uncoverable at this point.

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Brock Purdy

PositiveProjection13:00

Brock Purdy threw 2 interceptions in high-turnover 49ers-Seahawks game but showed aggression and willingness to throw with anticipation, particularly on in-breakers to Mike Evans; Harmon notes the 49ers offense is statistically the best in the NFL coming into Week 5.

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Caleb Douglas

PositiveBreakout49:41

Douglas has barely been seen through five weeks but flashed in the opening two weeks of the season; the eye test suggests he is a wide receiver the Dolphins can build around despite limited opportunities.

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Caleb Williams

NegativeProjection40:05

Caleb Williams is expected to return from injury next week. Matt Harmon states: "That sounds like we're going to get Caleb Williams back next week. That's just based off of some of the quotes that I saw." His return should significantly improve the Bears offense and the fantasy outlook for all Bears pass-catchers, though the crowded receiver room remains a concern.

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Chase Brown

PositiveValue45:33

Matt Harmon notes that Chase Brown has been discussed as a buy-low candidate every single week, and this week against the Dolphins was expected to be the breakout opportunity; the Dolphins' defense allows easy short throws and simple plays, creating potential for increased running back usage.

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PositiveBust45:33

Despite repeated buy-low calls, Chase Brown failed to deliver in Week 5 with 13 carries for 39 yards and 3 receptions for 21 yards plus a fumble; Matt Harmon assesses him as a competent NFL starter lacking elite explosiveness and tackle-breaking ability, with a ceiling limited to goal-line work and flat-route receptions rather than the elite production expected from a 15th overall draft pick.

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Chris Bell

NegativeRole49:48

Bell's best play has been taken away in the Dolphins offense, but the eye test suggests he is a wide receiver the team can build around for the future.

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Chris Olave

NegativeUsage61:20

Recorded one 16-yard explosive play in Saints' historically poor offensive performance against Vikings; Saints offense generated just 2.3% explosive play rate, the lowest in the Next Gen Stats era since 2016, with Olave's reception being the only explosive play of the day.

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NegativeRole66:53

Chris Olave is essentially the only reliable Saints fantasy option if Tyler Shuck's broken hand limits the passing game; Juwan Johnson and Alvin Kamara become unserious plays.

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CJ Donaldson

NegativeRole61:34

Led Saints backfield in snap count during Week 5 loss to Vikings, playing the most snaps as the pass protection back; role aligns with preview show prediction that Donaldson would handle pass protection duties.

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Cody White

NegativeUsage7:00

Cody White had 2 catches for 44 yards in Raiders-Patriots game; Harmon notes the Raiders need more wide receiver help beyond White and Brock Bowers, as they lack needle-moving talent at receiver positions.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeRole40:33

Loveland has been mysteriously uninvolved in the Bears offense despite preseason expectations that he would be a focal point. Matt Harmon states: "The Loveland stuff is the one that's really, really hard to explain because he's just not involved in the offense. He never gets these priority looks. And I think he's the one that I've probably changed the priors on the most because I was expecting him to be the focal point. And he's not." He received only five targets on all dropbacks in Week 5, suggesting a significant downgrade from prior expectations.

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PositiveRole42:21

Loveland is mysteriously not involved in the Bears offense despite the crowded receiver room; Matt Harmon notes he remains in the same old role with no clear path to increased usage, with Raymond also hanging around, making it unclear if anybody will fully run away with the target share.

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Daniel Jones

NegativeProjection8:12

Daniel Jones continues to disappoint post-Achilles injury; he doesn't move like he used to, and his deep ball accuracy is poor (1 for 11 on the deepest passes of the game), making him unreliable for fantasy purposes and limiting his receivers' upside despite their individual talent.

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Darius Slayton

NegativeRole71:26

Darius Slayton's role in the Giants offense is unclear and inactive; Matt Harmon expressed surprise at his lack of involvement, questioning whether he will ever get active playing time in this dysfunctional offense.

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Deebo Samuel

NegativeInjury14:00

Debo Samuel suffered a hamstring injury in Week 5 and did not return; Harmon suggests this injury seems long-term; with Debo and Jacob Cowan both injured, Mike Evans and George Kittle become the primary pass catchers for the 49ers offense.

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DK Metcalf

PositiveUsage65:43

Metcalf benefited from strong blocking downfield in Week 5, with Sauce Gardner's trash talk potentially contributing to his groove; he was sprung on a long touchdown by effective blocking from teammates.

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PositiveUsage83:56

DK Metcalf provided key blocking downfield on Jalen Warren's 80-yard touchdown, springing him for the score; his blocking effort may have been energized by Sauce Gardner trash talk this week.

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Drake Maye

PositiveProjection0:27

Drake Maye posted 100th percentile total EPA with 22 percentage points over expectation on completions (99th percentile) on plays without play action, RPO, or screens; averaged 12 yards depth of target with 3.3 seconds time to throw, sitting in pocket and bouncing before throwing over middle; Matt Harmon notes this resembles last year's Patriots offense with everything downfield, suggesting improved performance against softer schedule (Jets, Dolphins) ahead.

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Dyami Brown

NegativeRole26:39

Brown is a role player who shouldn't be featured; he fumbled a screen pass late in the game when the Giants were trying to work their way back into it.

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Dylan Laube

PositiveRole10:50

Dylan Lauby played more snaps than Mike Washington in Week 5 and scored a goal-line touchdown; Harmon suspects this is trust-related to pass protection; his increased snap share in a three-way backfield with Ashton Jentry and Mike Washington complicates Jentry's path to RB1 status.

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Emanuel Wilson

NegativeUsage14:00

Emmanuel Wilson fumbled in 49ers-Seahawks game; Harmon notes Seahawks running backs (Wilson and George Alani) were taking turns making mistakes and putting out sloppy tape, contributing to 7 combined turnovers in the game.

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PositiveUsage23:00

Wilson secured 20 carries for 61 yards (3.1 yards per carry) and a goal-line touchdown against San Francisco; while the yardage efficiency was modest, the high carry volume and touchdown scoring opportunity are consistent with his role as the lead back in the absence of Jadarian Price and while Zach Charbonneau recovers from injury. Over the past three weeks, Wilson has accumulated incremental receiving production (2 receptions in opening three games, 3 last week, 2 this week), suggesting a growing role in the passing game.

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Fernando Mendoza

NegativeUsage12:00

Fernando Mendoza came in late in Raiders-Seahawks game with only 8 plays; had a couple of plays over the middle and scrambled on fourth down before getting stopped; minimal impact in game.

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George Kittle

NegativeUsage15:00

George Kittle didn't record his first catch until 40 seconds remained in the game and dropped his first pass; with Debo Samuel and Jacob Cowan injured, Kittle becomes a primary pass catcher alongside Mike Evans for the 49ers.

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Hayden Hurst

PositiveProjection28:48

Hayden Hurst played 79 of 89 snaps and had a strong performance, though he had two touchdown passes go off his fingertips—one in the end zone on fourth quarter with zero touch on it. Harmon notes it was great to see Hurst back to this level of production and snap volume.

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Isaiah Likely

PositiveUsage28:22

Likely had 13 targets for 11 receptions, 94 yards, and two touchdowns in the Giants' comeback win.

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J.J. McCarthy

NegativeRole30:45

JJ McCarthy played only four snaps, all of which were jet sweep and zone read plays designed for him; all four plays failed and looked ineffective. Harmon characterizes this as 'coaching malpractice' from the Giants, noting one sequence where McCarthy's snap led to a delay-of-game penalty that set up a third-and-nine situation.

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Ja'Marr Chase

PositiveProjection43:21

Jamar Chase delivered 6 catches for 77 yards and 1 touchdown despite barely practicing all week and being listed as questionable; Matt Harmon emphasizes the Bengals' consistent quick-hitting shotgun offense targeting Chase on slants and short routes, with occasional deep shots, mirroring the same scheme that has worked for five years.

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PositiveMatchup45:23

Chase exploited the Dolphins defense in Week 5, continuing a pattern of dominant performances against Miami's secondary; this matchup-specific success mirrors what happened to Jordan Addison the prior week.

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PositiveProjection48:36

Chase nearly recorded 160 yards and 2 touchdowns against Miami; one incompletion from Burrow with Chase open over the top and two Dolphins defenders underneath him cost him a touchdown. The play demonstrates Chase's elite separation and downfield threat capability despite the Dolphins' defensive effort.

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Jameis Winston

NegativeProjection28:08

Winston was terrible for three quarters but the Giants played quick in the fourth quarter and hit on big third and fourth downs against zero blitz looks, when they scored a whole bunch of points including 14.

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NegativeProjection28:22

Jameis Winston played poorly in the game, including throwing a goal-line interception (later called back on a defensive pass interference penalty); despite his inconsistent play, he still creates opportunities for his receivers like Malik Nabers. Harmon notes that even when Winston plays bad, he gives his guys chances, but the Giants' secondary and overall team issues remain problematic.

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Jayden Daniels

NegativeRole22:52

In Week 5 overtime against the Ravens, Daniels failed to throw the ball away on a designed rollout left with the clock running out and no timeouts remaining, instead running directly to the line of scrimmage and sliding. Matt Harmon attributes this to poor game awareness and lack of urgency from the quarterback, noting that as a star QB, Daniels should know timeout management before the drive starts. Daniels acknowledged post-game that communication starts with everyone top-down and ultimately rests on him, though Chris Paul (starting OL) confirmed the offense discussed timeout situation in the huddle. Harmon views this as a critical quarterback decision-making failure in a high-leverage moment.

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NegativeRole23:00

In the final moments of the Giants-Commanders game, Daniels failed to throw the ball away on a critical late-game play with 12 seconds remaining and the clock running down; instead of preserving time or taking a checkdown, he ran directly to the line of scrimmage and got down, allowing the clock to expire and ending the game. This decision-making lapse—whether due to miscommunication with offensive coordinator David Blau or confusion about timeout availability—cost the Commanders a potential game-winning field goal attempt.

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PositiveRole25:49

Daniels returned from a dislocated elbow and was an exceptional scrambler all day, showing decisiveness running directly up the middle rather than stringing plays along the outside; he scored a 38-yard touchdown and 26-yard touchdown both up the middle, outrunning athletic linebackers Tremaine Edmonds and Arville Reese who were spying him. As a thrower, he looked quite good when given time and throwing down the field.

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PositiveUsage25:58

Jayden Daniels was an incredible scrambler throughout Week 5 against the Ravens, showing decisiveness and mobility directly up the middle. He came off a dislocated elbow injury and demonstrated strong scrambling ability all day, suggesting his mobility and decision-making on broken plays remain a key part of the Commanders' offensive identity.

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Jaylen Warren

PositiveUsage65:49

Warren delivered 21 touches in Week 5, matching the pre-game expectation of 17-22 touches per Jim Nance's booth commentary; he broke two arm tackles on a 50-yard touchdown run and showcased explosive play-making ability that distinguishes him from committee partner Rico Dowdle.

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PositiveRole67:04

Matt Harmon compares Warren's trajectory to Austin Ekeler's—both undrafted, both at pick 30, same skill set—and advocates for the Steelers to fully unleash him rather than maintain a 50-50 committee split with Rico Dowdle; Warren is a better fit for Aaron Rodgers' spread offense and could finish as a top-15 RB for the rest of the season rather than settling at RB24.

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PositiveProjection67:05

Warren is the first running back since Herschel Walker to record both an 80-yard touchdown and a 50-yard touchdown in the same game, underscoring his explosive play-making ability and rare dual-threat upside.

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PositiveRole68:51

Jay-J Watt mentioned in the booth that Jalen Warren gets better the more touches you give him, suggesting internal Steelers communication supports increased usage; this commentary hints at potential role expansion and upside if touches increase.

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PositiveUsage83:37

Jalen Warren was a huge difference for Steelers in Week 5 win over Colts; scored two touchdowns including an 80-yard swing pass TD and a 50-yard TD where he broke two arm tackles at the line of scrimmage and ran untouched to the end zone.

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Jonathan Taylor

NegativeUsage69:30

Jonathan Taylor was stuffed four times at the goal line, indicating red zone inefficiency and potential touchdown regression despite being described as awesome; this limits his expected fantasy points in goal-line situations.

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Jordyn Tyson

PositiveRole62:32

Saints will get better once Jordan Tyson comes back eventually; currently at 1-4 and need to improve offensive weapons and run game.

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Josh Downs

NegativeUsage70:41

Josh Downs had a 40-yard explosive play and averages 16.5 air yards per target, showing vertical involvement; however, the Giants offense is dysfunctional with Daniel Jones struggling post-Achilles injury, limiting overall offensive efficiency and touchdown upside.

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Juwan Johnson

NegativeProjection66:40

Juwan Johnson's fantasy value becomes unreliable if Tyler Shuck has a broken hand; the highs seen earlier in season can't be trusted moving forward, making him unserious for fantasy purposes alongside Alvin Kamara.

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Kalif Raymond

NegativeUsage39:38

Raymond's fantasy relevance has collapsed from strong early-season production to minimal impact. Matt Harmon notes: "The Khalif Raymond plays have gone from white hot in the first three weeks to some of the worst stuff that they're putting on tape these last three, especially today." His role has deteriorated significantly as the Bears offense has struggled and the receiving room has become more crowded.

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Keenan Allen

PositiveRole70:08

Keenan Allen received only 9 targets in the Giants game, indicating limited volume in a dysfunctional offense; the Giants' compact passing game and Jones's struggles make Allen's target share unreliable for fantasy purposes.

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Kendre Miller

PositiveRole61:54

Received all goal-line carries and punched in a touchdown early in Week 5 game against Vikings, taking over the red zone work that fantasy managers expected Alvin Kamara to handle.

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Kirk Cousins

NegativeProjection12:00

Kirk Cousins was doing all right in Raiders-Seahawks game but the Raiders don't have enough wide receivers; Harmon notes the team could have used Marvin Harrison (who went to Texans) and will need Brandon Cooks at this point.

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Kyle Williams

NegativeRole0:33

Kyle Williams ran 19 routes on 45 dropbacks (42% route participation) in Week 5 win; had two explosive plays against man coverage including stutter-go touchdown; Harmon notes he's not yet a full-time route player but excels on press-man coverage one-on-one situations; limited snap share suggests full breakout unlikely despite strong performance.

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Laquon Treadwell

NegativeRole70:15

Laquon Treadwell received 8 targets but is being used as a deep ball recipient in a dysfunctional Giants offense where Daniel Jones struggles with accuracy; the vertical focus to Treadwell feels like a desperation strategy rather than a sustainable fantasy advantage.

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Luther Burden

NegativeRole39:43

Burden has been limited to gimmicky, low-efficiency plays in recent weeks; the Bears offense has struggled to get him involved consistently. Matt Harmon notes the offense was forced to rely on "Mickey Mouse gimmicky stuff" to get Burden the ball, and Zyre Franklin criticized him post-game for lack of production and effort, saying "that guy's not made any plays in the league. He's done nothing in the league and he quit today, essentially." Burden remains stuck in a limited role with no clear path to increased involvement.

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Malik Nabers

PositiveUsage29:15

Nabers received 37% and 24% target share in recent games despite rainy conditions and Jameis Winston's inconsistent play; Matt Harmon notes that even when Winston plays poorly, he still creates opportunities for Nabers, and the Giants' secondary struggles mean Nabers will continue to get volume. Harmon advises fantasy owners to trust the box score production rather than worry about tape quality or Nabers' social media updates about his health status.

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PositiveProjection30:15

Despite not looking 100% healthy, Nabers has been producing at a high level over the last two weeks; Harmon notes that even at 85% of Nabers' capability, he remains better than most other receivers in the league, supporting continued fantasy production.

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Malik Washington

NegativeUsage50:42

Washington is tied with Justin Jefferson in targets per route run (top 15 range) but consistently finishes games with modest stat lines like six catches for 43 yards; he looks pretty decent on the eye test but the Dolphins simply do not run many plays for him.

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Malik Willis

NegativeProjection51:29

Willis threw two interceptions that were described as inexcusable; he also scored a goal-line touchdown in garbage time, indicating poor decision-making and limited upside in the Dolphins' offense.

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Mike Evans

PositiveProjection13:00

Mike Evans dominated 49ers-Seahawks game with 7 catches, 113 yards, and 1 touchdown despite being probably not 100% healthy; Harmon notes he's 98th percentile arms and 97th percentile height/weight, giving him massive strike zone on in-breakers with Brock Purdy's aggressive anticipation; drafted as WR25 but should be valued closer to WR12 moving forward; if he plays all 17 games, he's a different caliber of receiver than ever paired with Purdy.

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Najee Harris

NegativeRole22:00

Harris was mentioned as having started a drive with a soft snap inside the 10-yard line during the Giants-Commanders game, indicating he received some goal-line opportunity work in this contest.

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NegativeRole31:38

Najee Harris started some drives and received snaps inside the 10-yard line, indicating a committee backfield approach with Cam Sutton-Bott and Tyron Tracy rather than a clear lead-back role.

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Nick Westbrook-Ikhine

NegativeUsage71:33

Nick Westbrook-Ikhine got a long target in the Giants game, showing some vertical involvement but limited overall role in the dysfunctional offense.

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Ollie Gordon II

PositiveUsage51:07

Gordon has back-to-back games with touchdowns; in Week 5 he led the team in snaps with 18 carries for 88 yards, including four or five runs for roughly 10 yards each and a long of 22. He does not catch the ball but is by far the biggest back in the backfield and will get goal-line work.

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Rhamondre Stevenson

PositiveUsage5:00

Rhamondre Stevenson logged 13 carries and 3 receptions for 85 total yards and a touchdown after Trevion Henderson suffered an ankle injury in the second quarter; played majority of snaps in second half and garbage time; Harmon notes if Henderson remains out, Stevenson will be a fantasy RB1.

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Rico Dowdle

NegativeRole66:47

Rico Dowdle is returning from absence but faces a potential committee situation with Jalen Warren; Matt Harmon emphasizes that Warren and Dowdle play different styles—Dowdle cannot replicate Warren's explosive plays—and hopes the Steelers do not revert to a 50-50 split that would limit Warren's upside.

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PositiveInjury69:04

Rico Dowdle is expected to return next week from his dislocated toe injury, clearing the path for his return to the backfield.

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Roman Wilson

PositiveInjury66:12

Roman Wilson dislocated his finger on his first target just before halftime and was immediately ruled out, opening opportunity for Jerry Bernard to lead the Steelers receiving corps.

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Romeo Doubs

PositiveRole1:30

Romeo Dobbs is in a case-on-booty role, winning downfield for Patriots offense in Week 5; part of the improved passing attack with Drake Maye.

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Tee Higgins

PositiveProjection43:21

Tee Higgins barely practiced all week and was listed as questionable but played in the Bengals' 31-24 win over Miami; the Bengals' consistent quick-hitting shotgun scheme targets Higgins on slant routes over the middle, exploiting the Dolphins' weakness of allowing 90% completion rate on throws 10 yards and short.

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NegativeInjury47:27

Tee Higgins entered Week 5 with an adductor/groin injury after DNP, DNP, then full participation in practice; he played 28 of 34 snaps but had limited impact with a drop and only minor slant wins, suggesting the injury may have lingered despite full participation designation.

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Terry McLaurin

NegativeInjury26:34

McLaurin entered the game with an injury and played only 36 of 62 snaps; however, he was ultimately the leading receiver for the Commanders. Much of his production came late in the game when the team needed to win, suggesting limited usage was the initial plan.

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Theo Johnson

NegativeRole29:11

Theo Johnson is not receiving designed plays in the Giants offense; Harmon notes that the Giants don't design anything for Johnson, Malik Nabers, or the running backs in the passing game, limiting his fantasy upside despite being on the roster.

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Travis Etienne

NegativeRole63:35

Travis Etienne wasn't being used heavily in Saints run game even before injury; offensive line and run game issues are more pressing concerns than his return.

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TreVeyon Henderson

NegativeInjury5:00

Trevion Henderson suffered an ankle injury in the second quarter on a jet sweep toward the sideline; severity unknown but Harmon notes this is a reminder that if Rhamondre Stevenson plays significant snaps, he becomes a fantasy RB1.

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Treylon Burks

NegativeRole27:20

Burks is a role player on the Commanders who shouldn't be featured; he had at least one decent catch in this game.

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Tyler Warren

PositiveUsage65:17

Tyler Warren scored a rushing touchdown as a fullback and went 7 for 83 yards on deeper routes, showing expanded role beyond traditional fullback usage; he had the lowest average depth of target (ADOT) in the league among non-running backs entering the week at 2.3, but posted 9.9 air yards per target this game—a significant improvement suggesting increased vertical involvement.

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Tyrone Tracy

NegativeRole31:38

Tyron Tracy started some drives and received snaps inside the 10-yard line, indicating a committee backfield approach with Cam Sutton-Bott and Najee Harris rather than a clear lead-back role.

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Episode Transcript

1,129
0:00Another Week in the Books. I know you all went undefeated because you watch this channel and you watch Matt Harmon over
0:06on the Yahoo Fantasy forecast as well. We went undefeated, but the NFL didn't, certainly at large.
0:12We had some, I mean, major, major coaching moments to go through and maybe most importantly, some breakthrough offenses that we rightfully
0:18doubted over the first three or four weeks of the season got back on track.
0:22This is your game by game recap show brought to you by Farmers Insurance and Hayden.
0:27Let's start off with one of those teams. The defending AFC champion New England Patriots post 45 points on the Las Vegas
0:34Raiders when 45 17 headliner Drake Maye four touchdown passes Kyle Williams one Demario Douglas to are we all the way back?
0:40This felt like last year's Drake may offense where everything was down the football field.
0:45There's a lot of sideline plays in this one, but ultimately Drake may had a hundred percentile total EPA.
0:50His 22 percentage points over expectation on his completions were in the 99th percentile on plays without play action RPO or screen
0:57just like normal football plus one EPA per play after the game.
1:00Drake made so that he could eat a quote ham sandwich.
1:04Cause he had so much time out there with protection.
1:06What was interesting about the protection was will Campbell leaves this game in the second quarter with a knee injury.
1:12Remember they drafted Caleb Lomu not to directly replace him, but kind of have be like another kind of swing top tackle option.
1:19He goes in there at left tackle. And I think plays really outstanding.
1:23But a lot of this stuff from the last year's team.
1:26Speaker 1. Romeo Dobbs is in kind of like this case on booty role where he is winning down the football field
1:33Kyle Williams not a full time player but playing a little bit more stutter go stutter go touchdown post where he throws
1:39up the mailbox for an explosive both of those are against man coverage.
1:43It's at the classic Kyle Williams by the way Kyle.
1:46Speaker 1. In his post game press conferences refers to himself as Kyle in the third person as well.
1:52Pop right. Speaker 1. Well yeah, I mean it's what you want to see.
1:56Yeah, he press man coverage from the line really fast calls and calls himself Kyle.
2:00We're on the right track here, but this offense felt a little bit better without like Mac Collins.
2:06Like all of a sudden when you can have some explosive, there's a lot more speed on the field.
2:11Everything just kind of felt a little bit better.
2:14So that long story short. Pass protection was awesome.
2:16Drake may bought some time when he needed to but really it was just kind of the normal drop back stuff was working and everything really was downfield.
2:25I said this week on the forecast that I was 100% open to some, you know, Ewing theory with Mac Collins with this offense.
2:32And I mean, that sounds mean it sounds disrespectful, but yeah, like we got a lot faster players and Kyle Williams by
2:38the way only ran in 14 routes in this game was actually F.
2:42And Chisholm who had another sick catch. I saw today.
2:45He was actually the number two receiver might have some F.
2:48And Chisholm charting on the docket this week. So it certainly did hate and feel like a different Patriots offense.
2:54That's for sure. Matt. I'm just going to go by first names here.
2:58If Kyle did this, well, why hasn't, you know, Hayden?
3:01Why hasn't Josh or Mike played Kyle more? Because you and I think Kyle is a very good wide receiver in terms
3:08of lining up on the ball downfield routes. Like he ran at Washington state, uh, his releases off the line.
3:13We've seen it in preseason. We saw it during training camp.
3:17And yet until they're basically forced without AJ Brown and without Mac Collins, he's not yet out there on the field.
3:23So Hayden, did we get any word that we can actually like utilize our chips that are on the table?
3:29Our stock that we've invested in over the previous years and Kyle Williams moving forward.
3:33No, this is just kind of for fun. I would say, I mean, he ran 19 routes on 45 dropbacks.
3:39I mean, unfortunately you just got to play more snaps than that.
3:43There's probably like other reasons why Kyle Williams hasn't been on the field.
3:47I will say that there's other times where Kyle Williams, like his size just comes into play.
3:52He's not a full, uh, route, uh, player yet in my opinion, but if you're going to play press me on coverage
3:58and you're going to leave them in one-on-one situations and his little stutter step works at the line, it's going to be an explosive.
4:05And we've seen this way too often. That's what he was at Washington state.
4:09So I don't think like a full breakout is coming.
4:12I would just say quickly on the Drake may stuff.
4:15His average depth of target was almost 12 yards down the field 3.3 seconds time to throw.
4:20That was not the 3.3 seconds. Like, you know, with like a Caleb Williams or really close where he's like consistently buying time.
4:27He was just kind of sitting in the middle of the pocket, bouncing, bouncing, bouncing and throwing the ball over the middle.
4:34There was a couple of times where he did step up through the ball to remander Stevenson next play quarterback power touchdown to the left side as well.
4:42It's like they were doing a little bit of fun stuff here, but I can't say that this was like all of
4:48a sudden Josh McDaniels like in his bag to me is that the players played better.
4:53And sometimes I hate being as simple as that, but I think the receivers, the past protection and Drake may himself all just played better.
5:00I'm also looking at the box score Hayden or Mondrian Stevenson 13 carries and add three receptions onto that.
5:06You know, 85 total yards with a touchdown. Meanwhile, Trevion four carries 22 yards one catch 16 yards.
5:11Was it that big of a split or did something happen here?
5:15Yeah, Trevion got gets rolled up on. He was I think it was like on a jet sweeper.
5:20I know that played towards the sideline gets rolled up an ankle injury.
5:24That was in the second quarter. Corey Kiner comes in and fumbles the ball in relief of Trevion Henderson and then reminder
5:31Stevenson pretty much plays the rest of the game until it is garbage time.
5:35So I don't know the severity of the Trevion Henderson ankle injury, but this is like another reminder.
5:40If Ramond is going to be out there for that many snaps, he's definitely going to be a fantasy running back to here.
5:47So the ground game, I thought was like a little bit better in this one.
5:51You just didn't see anything from the Raiders defensive line, which is kind of surprising with obviously with Max Crosby over there.
5:58Yeah, just on that real quick, you know, this Raiders defense has probably played better than the sum of their parts or their individual parts.
6:05So far this season, like Rod Leonard has been getting a whole bunch of love.
6:10And then you have a game like this where the team just goes nuclear against them.
6:14I'll add Harmon, like the entire conversation of the opening three weeks of the season, which by the way, the Patriots played
6:21the Seahawks in the Jaguars defenses along with the Steelers who are quite good defensively too, was all about how this offense
6:27has taken a step back and individually and watch the plays.
6:31You could say that about Drake, man. It looked, it looked a bit static and up to no good.
6:36But here they've beaten the Bills. They've beaten the Raiders in two of their next three games.
6:41It's the Jets and the Dolphins on top of this.
6:44Like they hit the schedule last week. We're kind of hitting a nice part of the schedule here this season for the Patriots too.
6:51Yeah, I know the schedule is a little bit of a trigger word with this Patriots situation here, but I do think
6:58and my theory on this offense is just and it's not just the players, but it's more so the structure of it
7:04to your point, Josh, about how kind of staffed.
7:07Static and straightforward. It can be nothing is just you watch it's bogus or it's bad.
7:12It's just it's pretty straightforward. It's pretty vanilla sounds too harsh, but it just is what it is.
7:17It's a static old school offense. It's kind of a bad team beater, especially when you don't have like needle moving talent at every single position.
7:25So I think it probably will follow that trend pretty cleanly here, which means that if you do have Drake may if
7:31you have some of these pass catchers, I think you can ratchet your expectations up a little bit these next few weeks.
7:38The schedule is softer. Hey, I want to send it over to that other team.
7:42The Raiders just 17 points here. They're also now three and two on the season.
7:46Brock Bowers goes off 10 targets, eight receptions, 110 yards and a touchdown.
7:50We know the Patriots are without their what top two corners.
7:54But after that, there's a whole bunch of nothing.
7:56I mean, Ashton Jinty 27 yards on 10 carries does as 50 yards on three receptions.
8:01That's Cody White for two for 44 and Dylan Lowby for four carries for nine yards.
8:06I will say the Patriots top two corners being out definitely did help Brock Bowers because he was facing corners for a
8:12lot of that game and he was dunking on them like Marcus Jones, what half Brock Bowers height.
8:17So that didn't go well. His big first play that made him the second fastest tight end in NFL history to get
8:24to 2000 yards only trailing the late Mike Ditka there.
8:27And then right after that, another dunking grab this time for a touchdown.
8:31He had a little fumble late in the game yards after catch wise.
8:35But for the entire game, he was he was uncoverable.
8:38And I do think that we're getting to the point with how he's being utilized, how good he is and how big
8:44of a step down it is to everybody else.
8:47He's going to face the top corner on the team like that's just what's going to happen moving forward.
8:52The Patriots were going to do that and things would have looked probably a lot different if it's Christian Gonzalez instead of like Marcus Jones and these guys.
9:01But I think that's like the point we've gotten we've gotten with Brock Bowers, which is awesome for fantasy purposes, because like
9:07you have to be that good and that productive to like get that treatment.
9:11But be ready for when we talk about him on podcast, like who is the top corner because that's who he's going to be facing and rightfully so.
9:19That's always easier said than done, though, especially when it's a guy that moves around like this with Brock Bowers, like a
9:26team, you know, week six, Christian Benford and the Buffalo Bills.
9:29Like they're not going to break their defensive rule and their defense hasn't been very good this season either way.
9:35But like Christian Benford, easier said than done to like break all of your defensive rules to have that guy track Brock Bowers around the field.
9:43It probably would have been different today because the Patriots are one of those teams that will just allow Gonzalez to travel.
9:49But even like Rams in week seven, Trent McDuffie maybe could do that because he's he's has a lot of experience kicking inside.
9:56So that's one to flag there. But like Jets Niners week eight, week nine, it's definitely going to be easier said than done.
10:03That's the advantage of having a guy like Bowers, who's still even in this game is about what, like 19, 20 percent snaps in line.
10:10That at least matters a little bit there. But yeah, I mean, at this point, he's just completely he's completely uncoverable.
10:17I echo pretty much everything Hayden said there. Hey, it's time for our weekly Ashton Gentry check in.
10:22He is the running back 21 at the moment right now.
10:25You play 53 percent of the snaps in the first half of the game.
10:29He had a couple of broken tackles on receptions later in the game.
10:33Unfortunately, that's just enough to get Dylan Lauby in for the touchdown at the goal line.
10:38And so, you know, it's ankle injuries. It's the foot injury after the game to be out because usually pretty coy with what he was saying.
10:45He's like, yeah, Ashton Gentry is like he's playing through injuries like he's very tough.
10:50It's awesome that he's out there for us. But, you know, they're acknowledging the situation with Ashton Gentry.
10:55He is not the same player that he is.
10:58I think that he can break tackles in the open field like he's a difficult tackle for like defensive backs because he's so thick.
11:05I can't say that he's like extremely fast or any of that.
11:09And there were just some issues up front on the offensive line.
11:12Once again, they're better up front. Obviously, Clint Kubiak is such an upgrade.
11:16There are certainly still issues here going on. And one of those issues issues was Dylan Lauby was playing a lot of
11:22the snaps in this one, even ahead of Mike Washington.
11:25So I don't know the latest on why Mike Washington wasn't playing.
11:29But Dylan Lauby was out playing in terms of snaps.
11:32Mike Washington in this one, I would guess that just trust past protection related there.
11:36But that is just this can't be a three kind of three way backfield.
11:40That would be pretty hard for Ashton Gentry to be a fantasy RB one.
11:45We saw Fernando Mendoza for a little bit in this game.
11:48Any thoughts on what we saw there? The Kirk Cousins of it all?
11:52Not really. I mean, Mendoza comes in the game really late.
11:55He had a couple of plays over the middle.
11:58Scrambles around on the fourth down. Gets kind of stopped down there.
12:01It was only eight plays for Fernando Mendoza. I thought Kirk Cousins was doing all right.
12:06They just don't have enough wide receivers. That's where I initially when we got the Marvin Harrison news.
12:11And there was the mystery team for the 20 minutes.
12:14I was like, the Raiders could use a little Marvin Harrison.
12:17And obviously he's going to go to the Texans that we know.
12:21But there's a reason why. I wasn't the only one talking about the Raiders as a fit there.
12:26Cody White and these guys are making plays here and there.
12:29But they really do need somebody else. Yeah. Yeah.
12:32We'll talk more about the Marv deal as we go along here.
12:36Because there's a lot to speak on that we learned actually during the Cardinals game that the broadcast brought up here.
12:42Yeah. I mean, the Raiders open 3-0. They're 0-2 against the Chiefs and the Patriots.
12:46And now they have the Bills and the Rams in back-to-back weeks.
12:50I mean, the number one thing here is when you spend that high of a draft pick on Ashton Gentry, you can't
12:56have a long carry for four yards. You know, even if he has a long catch of 31.
13:02Okay. We open with the reigning AFC champion. Matt, that means we need to go over to the NFC champion and actually
13:08Super Bowl defenders as they lose here at home.
13:1132-29. A narrow call against Cooper Cup at the end to continue on that drive.
13:15But they stuck with it on the field. And Matt, I believe I read that there were seven combined turnovers in this game.
13:22The most total turnovers in any game so far this season.
13:25That feels very un-49ers and Seahawks-like. This game was wild.
13:28It was one of the best games of the season so far because it was so crazy.
13:33And also some superstars like the guy we're showing on the screen here, Mike Evans, just absolutely showed up today.
13:39But yeah, this game had it all. We had turnovers, as you mentioned.
13:43The broadcast pointed this out. So before the third quarter, it was over 38 points off seven turnovers in this game that was the most since 2017.
13:51So not only were there all these turnovers, two Darnold interceptions, a Purdy interception.
13:55George Alani lost two fumbles. He fumbled twice. He lost one of them.
13:59Emmanuel Wilson fumbled. Jacob Cowan fumbled. Debo Samuel lost a fumble where he also popped his hammy and was done for the day.
14:06Cowan also got hurt too. So it had injuries.
14:08It had fumbles. Dre Greenlaw got kicked from the game for getting into it with the Seahawks here.
14:14So and yeah, again, it also had these big time players like Mike Evans show up just real quick before we also
14:20had that Cooper Cup fourth down Jackson Smith and Jigba.
14:23Yeah, is it a drop? It's a really, really tough catch on third and 10 where he's got to track it over
14:30his shoulder and he's got to kind of cradle catch it, basket catch it.
14:34He ultimately doesn't make the play, which was stunning because otherwise this was a great game for him, five catches, 102 yards and a touchdown.
14:41His touchdown, I freeze framed it and put it out on Twitter.
14:45I was like, this guy's going to score on this play because it does not look like that from the angle.
14:51I mean, he was unbelievable in this game, but ultimately every receiver is going to have drops and they're going to have missed opportunities.
14:58He had one at the worst time. But yeah, it was a crazy game with all of these turnovers.
15:04George Kittle didn't have his first catch until about 40 seconds left in the game and I believe dropped his first pass as well.
15:11But this was a Mike Evans story here, man.
15:13He was awesome for the San Francisco 49ers and he was running clean routes.
15:18He was giving Brock Purdy a massive strike zone on these in breakers where Purdy is so aggressive and so willing to throw with a lot of anticipation.
15:26And again, Mike with just 98th percentile arms, 97th percentile height, weight, the whole deal at the wide receiver position.
15:32Like he's going to be bigger and longer than everybody until he decides to stop playing and he doesn't look like he's
15:38any close to stop playing right now. So definitely like again, a lot of storylines here, but the big one was Mike
15:45Evans, probably not 100% healthy, dominates for this team.
15:47And the Debo's injury seems like that's going to be long term.
15:51So like at this point, it's going to be Mike Evans and Kittle only.
15:55So I kind of fear sometimes like with Mike Evans, like we draft him what like the wide receiver 25 and redraft.
16:02I think we're like, you know, we're pretty tied to that.
16:05But you know, whenever he's out there and actually healthy, I feel like we should be getting like a lot closer to
16:11like wide receiver 12, especially moving forward after he had this kind of breakout performance.
16:16I'm sure you guys said the same thing. I know I said this a lot.
16:20Like he's going to be ranked as wide receiver 25, but there's no way he's going to finish his wide receiver 25 on any given week.
16:28He's either going to finish his wide receiver 10 or 12 or wide receiver 40 because he got injured after five plays or something like that.
16:36But yeah, no, I mean, he's so critical to this offense right now because again, Debo and Cowling both got hurt, didn't return.
16:42Brandon Cooks actually showed up here late in this one.
16:45He had a touchdown that he had a touchdown that Mike McDonald called a timeout.
16:50And so then they had to redo the play and he catches the touchdown again anyways on a, like the same play
16:56design, but he had to break it off for a scramble with Brock Purdy there.
17:01And I mean, I kind of feel like they're going to need Brandon Cooks at this point.
17:06So yes. In other words, they need Mike Evans to stay healthy.
17:09Can't we do the waiver wire tomorrow night with Joel and talk about Brandon Cooks?
17:14And we just fits in with the entire conversation that we've had in the opening four weeks of the season.
17:20Yeah. Harmon. I've talked about Mike Evans prior to the season where man, you know, I wish we got a 28 year
17:26old Evans with Kyle Shanahan instead of a 33 year old with, you know, the quad, the groin, the hamstrings, all this type of stuff.
17:33But so far it doesn't matter. And look, we're only five weeks in, but you know, he went six for 49 and one in the opener.
17:41Then we get to week three. He goes three catches, 34 yards and a touchdown last week, five receptions, 76 yards.
17:47And then here seven catches, 113 and one. So obviously you're starting every single week in your lineups, but Matt, we are
17:54at this point now where we have seen crazier things than someone of Mike Evans ability play for 17 games.
18:00When all of us sat back and said, Hey, Mike Evans, isn't going to play for 17 games.
18:05Now again, there's 12 more to go. It's a long, long season left.
18:09But if, if he does play 17, then he is just a different styling of wide receiver.
18:14That's ever been paired with Brock Purdy. And you, we see it on almost a weekly basis right now, just the goal
18:20line red zone, throw it up to him. And like you said, just be bigger than his opponent.
18:26And, you know, Kaushin is an awesome play designer.
18:28That's probably the easiest play call that he has in his sheet.
18:32Yeah, absolutely. And Brady pointed this out at one point, obviously he played with Mike Evans, but Mike is also such a
18:38good route runner in addition to the size that he can do things where again, Brady was talking about how he doesn't
18:45usually like his receivers to take what's ultimately going to be an in breaker and outside release it because you lose the
18:51leverage at the top of the route. But with how good from a timing perspective, Mike Evans is.
18:57And again, 98th percentile arms, just bigger than everybody else.
19:00It really doesn't matter here. So yeah, as long as he stays healthy, he's a, he's easily a wide receiver one.
19:06It's just, again, how long is he going to play?
19:09Is he going to be available for all 17 weeks?
19:12Matt, just watching both sides of the ball with the Niners here, this, this defense has made more plays than what they
19:18should be given how injured they have been up front.
19:21They're five and oh, they'd be, you know, the two best teams on paper heading into the season.
19:27Like, are we not giving the four Niners enough credit as like having maybe an argument to be the best team in the NFL right now?
19:34I'm open to it. The offense statistically in the metrics that I like to look at is the best offense in the NFL coming into this week.
19:42I'm sure that's not going to change after this one.
19:45And the defense, I would say, I guess it's probably, it's probably feisty is the way I would, I would say it.
19:52They were opportunistic in this one. They got a lot of turnovers as mentioned, the Seahawks running backs were just like taking
19:58turns, making mistakes and, you know, putting out sloppy tape in this one for sure.
20:03Emmanuel Wilson and George Solani. So I don't know how much of that credit to give to the Niners defense versus, you
20:09know, the, these guys in Seattle making mistakes, but yeah, I think they're feisty.
20:13They're opportunistic, but they're not like a lockdown defense by any means.
20:17You can definitely get this unit at different levels of the field.
20:20Anything else you want to say about Seattle's offense here?
20:23Again, I mean, Emmanuel Wilson in the absence of Jadarian price and while waiting for Zach Charbonne to come back, even if
20:30he fumbles and, you know, you mentioned Helani had to, so it's not like he was going up against a star student
20:36opposite of him, but 20 carries just for 3.1 yards per pot.
20:40But like we always talk about, if you get the 20 carries, you are most likely to get the goal line touchdown, which he did.
20:47Correct. So he's a running back to every week.
20:50I mean, he's just, he's not going to be not going to wow you, you know, in terms of yards after contact,
20:56he's not going to be absolutely insane in terms of these big, big plays, but he can break tackles.
21:02He finds the holes. He hits it. I would say from a Helani perspective, and I like some of what Helani has done.
21:09This was a Zach Charbonne fantasy stock up without playing a single snap type game.
21:13Cause that was just a really rough showing for him.
21:16Yeah, totally. And I'll add with Emmanuel Wilson, like I think in the opening three games, he only had two receptions last week.
21:23He had three receptions and then today another two.
21:26So these are just like small incremental things that continue to go in his favor.
21:30All right, we'll move on to one of the calamitous sequences and actions of the week.
21:35Giants 27 commanders 27. We're going to have two separate recaps here.
21:38Okay. First, we need to talk about the end of game sequence.
21:42Cause that is the star of the show. Obviously the giants get down to the 24 yard line.
21:47All that they need is a field goal to win because both teams have already had a possession, but the giants kicker
21:54has already missed two on the day, 50 yards and 46 yards.
21:57So Harbaugh wants to continue to chunk out as many gains as possible.
22:01So cam's Cadaboo run up the middle. He fumbles the ball.
22:04It's inexcusable on a day where he honestly did very little and Najee Harris and Tyrone both started drives and soft snaps
22:11inside the 10 yard line in this contest. So from there, the commanders get the ball one minute, 55 seconds, no timeouts
22:17on their own 24 yard line, 16 yards land immediately to the 40.
22:21That's great. Then they get 35 yards on the next three plays to get them down to the opposing 26 yard line.
22:28There's 55 seconds to go. Again, clock is a non-factor in terms of needing to drain it because the game ends.
22:34If you just kick a field goal, they just went 51 yards in one minute, but this is where the funkiness comes in.
22:41The commanders hand it off for a gain of two.
22:44They drain the clock down to 12 seconds. Again, the clock should not exist at this point.
22:49They call a drop back and Jayden Daniels does not throw away.
22:52Instead, it's like a magnet to midfield. He runs directly to the line of scrimmage, gets down and the clock runs out.
22:59So either we have three things here, either Dan Quinn didn't know that he only had two timeouts to start overtime and
23:05not three or David Blau, the offensive coordinator wasn't in Jayden's Daniels ear saying anything like throw the ball away, no matter
23:12what, or Jane Daniels is at fault and totally lack game awareness in a moment.
23:16We're just a throwaway sets them up for a game winning field goal or Hayden.
23:21All three are possibilities here. Truly one of the stupidest sequences we've seen from two teams in the league and especially for
23:27the commanders that leave with a tie instead of a win in a game that they dominated for the first three quarters.
23:34I'm sure coaches can communicate more, but looking at the actual play that was called, they slid the entire offensive line to
23:40the right, which is like kind of a designed play to the left to throw the ball away.
23:45And Jayden Daniels just runs up and slides. And then Jayden Daniels awareness after sliding.
23:50There was also no sense of urgency after that.
23:52And to me, that's where I'm like, look, we can yell out the coaches.
23:57It's very easy. I Dan Quinn, yada, yada, yada.
23:59But I mean, if you're at the star quarterback, you should know how many timeouts you have before the drive starts, how the drives unfolding.
24:07And to me, just looking at the play call, that's a classic situation.
24:10You roll out to the left, you have a couple seconds, and then you throw the ball for either more yards out
24:17of bounds, or you just throw the ball away and then you kick up the field goal.
24:22So to me, that's who's at fault. It's Jayden Daniels.
24:25I think you can obviously communicate more, but I mean, this is the play call looks like it's supposed to be a throwaway.
24:32Yeah, Matt, just real quick. I want to propose two quotes here, one from Jane Daniels and one from another offensive player starting offensive lineman in the huddle.
24:40Okay, Jane Daniels was asked about the sequence after the game.
24:43He said, quote, we've got to relay that as an offense.
24:46It starts with everyone top down. Ultimately, it's on me.
24:49Then Chris Paul, again, starting offensive lineman for this team.
24:52Did the commander's offense know they didn't have any timeouts left in the final drive overtime?
24:57He said, yes, that was talked about in the huddle.
25:00Your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I also saw Dan Quinn and look, you could be mad at yourself, obviously take his headset, smash it on the ground too.
25:08Frustrated with what happened on the field. Yeah, this was just a brain fart moment, I guess, for the quarterback when you probably can't or somebody.
25:16Somebody had a brain fart moment when you can't have one.
25:19So, I mean, one way or another, what an obnoxious way to ultimately lose that game.
25:24Because, yeah, I think from what I saw in this game, which wasn't much, Josh, it did feel like the commanders were the better team at times.
25:32Yeah, I will add, if your head coach doesn't call plays, you have to be like perfect in in-game situation.
25:38Yes. And Dan Quinn does not call plays. I mean, come on.
25:41And, you know, Harbaugh also doesn't call plays. So this is kind of like them pointing at each other for how this game ended.
25:49Okay. So the actual game here. The commanders, like I mentioned, were the dominant team for three quarters.
25:54They were up 27 to 13 after like the first drive of the fourth quarter.
25:58We all wanted to see what Jane Daniels looked like coming off of a dislocated elbow once again while he scrambled on
26:05the second snap and was an incredible scrambler all day.
26:08He was very decisive directly up the middle instead of like these scrambles that we see stringing it along to the outside.
26:14That gave him a 38-yard touchdown up the middle, a 26-yard touchdown up the middle.
26:19Even Bill Krosky-Merrick kicked it off with a 33-yard touchdown on the opening drive.
26:23By the way, that ends an 18-game streak with no opening drive touchdown for the commanders.
26:28That streak is finally broken here. Chico Kwankwo was featured early.
26:3112 yards, 25-yard gain, another nice chunk in a split flow action.
26:34Unfortunately, who entered this game with an injury was Terry McLaurin, played only 36 of 62 snaps.
26:39But really, in the end for this commander's offense, Matt, it got to a point where in the fourth quarter they had no answer for a zero blitz.
26:48And basically went three and out for the final three drives in the fourth quarter as the Giants were trying to work their way back into it.
26:56And the Giants kept spamming that over and over and over again.
26:59And then finally, their sequence was, oh, we're going to throw a screen to Deami Brown.
27:04And of course, Matt, he fumbles it. Yeah, what a shock there.
27:07It felt like a lot of Terry. You can tell me if I'm wrong.
27:12It felt like a lot of Terry's production came late in the, yeah, we wanted you to be limited, but we got to win this game right now.
27:20Okay, so let's get out there. He's ultimately the leading receiver.
27:23This team just doesn't have a lot. You know, they don't have a lot, especially when Diggs is not playing.
27:29I like Antonio Williams, but he's a rookie receiver.
27:32And then these other guys like Brown and Traylon Burks.
27:35I know Burks had a couple, like at least one decent catch I saw on this one.
27:40But yeah, ultimately, like these guys are their role players who shouldn't be featured pieces.
27:44Yeah. The big takeaway was just Jane Daniel is fast.
27:47I mean, they tried to spy him with two of the most athletic linebackers in the league, and he just totally outran them.
27:54Tremaine Edmonds was truly a spy. He works his way with his eyes to the right side and then takes off to the left.
28:01And then Tremaine Edmonds can't catch him on that 38 yarder.
28:04And then the 26 yarder was Arville Reese doing the exact same thing.
28:08And I mean, Jane Daniels is back in that regard.
28:11And I actually think as a thrower, he looked quite good when, you know, he was given time and threw down the field.
28:18Hayden on the opposite side, as for the Giants, maybe this is my evaluation speaking.
28:22I thought James Winston was terrible for three quarters, but then they played really quick in the fourth quarter and hit on
28:29big third and fourth downs against a lot of zero blitz looks.
28:32And that's when they scored a whole bunch of points, including 14.
28:36Now they ran 84 plays, but I want to point out that Malik neighbors had 20 targets in this game for 11
28:42receptions and 121 yards in a score. And Isaiah likely had 13 targets, 11 for 94 and two touchdowns.
28:48I will also add that Malik neighbors day could have been even better.
28:52He before half had a touchdown versus zero blitz that went off his fingertips.
28:56He had another go off his hands in the end zone on in the fourth quarter with zero touch on it.
29:02But Hayden, it was great to see him back to this level.
29:06And despite all the quotes that we get leading up to games, he played 79 of 89 snaps today.
29:11Yeah. Yeah. James can play bad and Malik neighbors and likely can go crazy if they're going to get 37 and 24%
29:18of the targets and the Giants defense. Like they're better than they were last year.
29:22They're not way better than last year. That to me, that secondary is still always going to struggle with no Brian Burns and Jameis.
29:29Like, you know, even when he's playing bad, he's still going to give his guys opportunities.
29:34And they're just not going to design anything for Malik, I fields, Theo Johnson, the running backs aren't catching passes.
29:40So it's kind of one where like, I need to like almost stop watching the Jameis Winston tape and just trusting that
29:46the box score production is going to be there for these guys.
29:50Because I was a little bit nervous. I'm like neighbors going into this game, really rainy conditions that he wasn't going to have his usual day.
29:58And then, you know, the Giants kind of get into this carnival game and that's all for not.
30:03It feels like if you have Malik neighbors on your fantasy team, you need to just do two things.
30:08Don't watch the tape on Jameis Winston. If you're a tape grinder and to just maybe mute Malik neighbors on Twitter.
30:15Like you don't need to hear his updates going into the game about how he's feeling worse or whatever.
30:20Because I mean, listen, he's an honest guy. I appreciate it.
30:24But yeah, if you can't handle that, it just like it is what it is because he gets out there and he's been balling these last two weeks.
30:32I still don't think he looks 100%, which I mean, again, 85 or whatever he is.
30:37Percent of Malik neighbors is better than a hell of a lot of other receivers out there.
30:42Yeah. I'll also add there were some weird sequences here in that.
30:45JJ McCarthy played four snaps and every single time he came in, it was some type of a jet sweep action slash zone read in the opposite direction.
30:53They were basically giving him design carries that I guess were part of the playbook with Jackson dart.
30:59And none of them worked. I mean, they look, they look so stupid.
31:03I saw, I saw, they looked, they, it was the stupidest four snaps ever.
31:07I don't know why they did this. This goes back to, I think some coaching malpractice from the giants.
31:12And there was even this one weird sequence where it was second and four from the five yard line.
31:18So nearly second and goal. And they do one of these stupid plays from JJ McCarthy on second down.
31:24And then, so they have to jog him off and Jamis onto the field for third and four.
31:29That exchange happened so slowly that they take a delay of game.
31:32So that sets them up on third and nine.
31:35And then Jamis throws a horrific goal line interception.
31:38That is thankfully called back to, I think a ticky tack defensive pass interference penalty.
31:42So this is not a situation that I think the giants are good.
31:46The giants still have their issues. And I would even go to cam scatter boot to who did play the majority of
31:52snaps, but this is not even close. Like a bell cow roll.
31:56Because again, I'll reiterate that Najee Harris and Tyron Tracy both started some drives and also got snaps inside the 10 yard line.
32:03Again, I'm not expecting to play 84 total snaps, but he did.
32:06I think he played every overtime snap and then got four of his 13 carries in overtime.
32:11But again, the last one equal to fumble. Yeah.
32:14On scatter, he's just not catching nearly as many passes.
32:17Like last, last season, he was on pace to finish top five or so in running back receptions.
32:22And this year is just not adding up. So I think he's getting very hard to trust.
32:27He's, he's definitely more of a flex play than an RB two at this point.
32:32And you know, like it can always get worse if they decide the fumbles and his explosive lack of explosiveness isn't, isn't enough.
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32:53Matt, we led the show talking about some offenses that might need fixing.
32:57Well, the green Bay Packers 31 points in week five as they demolish the Chicago bears who are winning with backup quarterbacks.
33:03Not anymore. 31 to seven here. And I see Jordan love three 67, two scores.
33:07I see Christian Watson, one 43, two scores. I see Matthew golden six for one 23.
33:12Now to see Marshawn Lloyd with two touchdowns to talk to me.
33:16Yeah. I'm actually going to start with Marshawn Lloyd just real quick because Kevin Zeitler got his first start in this one at right guard.
33:23They have plugged in these true bandaid fixes along the offensive line.
33:27And I'm not going to say that it's great, but I'm definitely going to say that it's better than what we were getting.
33:33You see 10 carries for 31 yards for Marshawn Lloyd.
33:36That doesn't really tell the story. I think he actually had a couple of nice runs in this one, including on his
33:43touchdown where he showed some patience and some power and physicality to get into the end zone, which was a nice welcome development for Marshawn Lloyd.
33:51Cause I wouldn't say that patience or power have ever really been a part of his game.
33:56And that was on his first touchdown there. So yeah, the run game is at least in this one, not a complete
34:02joke, but the story is of course the passing game here.
34:05Jordan love had six completions of 25 plus yards.
34:08The most by any quarterback in a game this year.
34:11He had two completions of 50 plus yards. I mean, he was just truly launching that thing.
34:16The first one to Christian Watson on the touchdown just is up the left side.
34:20They kind of lost him in coverage, but big play to Christian Watson, Christian Watson's second touchdown.
34:25I mean, that's one of those where if you actually slow down and watch it, everybody during the scouting process is going
34:32to be like, you can't attack the football that way.
34:35You can't attack the football that way. Look at his hands all stretched out.
34:39He's going to, and then you know what? He just kind of catches it off Dylan Theanaman's back essentially there, which was a great play by Christian Watson.
34:47So two huge touchdowns for Christian Watson in this one, Matthew Golden.
34:51Also, he has his biggest explosive play where he just gets on top of Jalen Johnson immediately on a corner route.
34:57We're at the break point of the route. He does a really nice sweet move to break it to the outside.
35:03Matthew Golden also. I mean, this game, a lot of comments after the game that we can get into on both sides here.
35:10Golden. I think I saw this live. I think he might have intentionally run run onto like run over a bear staffer on the sideline.
35:17And then Cairo Santos, the bears kicker tried to trip him.
35:21So these two teams definitely hate each other, which made this game a lot of fun, both before, during and after it.
35:27But yeah, also Tucker craft gets a 46 yard catch here.
35:30This was the Jordan love like fire show that we were hoping to see this season and a little bit of, yeah,
35:37the bears defense was kind of getting away with it on some turnovers.
35:41And some kind of funkiness on the back end disruption up front.
35:44But when you can get protection, which Jordan love got some protection today, it wasn't perfect.
35:49We got some protection. He can absolutely still just launch that thing down the field.
35:54Yeah, that's what we talked about when you live and die by the deep ball.
35:58And like sometimes like they kind of three and out this thing or those are the occasional interception.
36:03But when this thing's going, like the Packers are like such a blast to watch a couple of those.
36:09Jordan love took some huge hits and because he's so big and strong, he jumps off the ground to throw some of
36:15these as well, which I absolutely love. And to me, you can make an argument.
36:20These top two wide receivers are the fastest top two wide receivers in the league.
36:24I'd have to sit there and I actually think about that.
36:27But Matthew Golden is absolutely flying. Christian Watson has always been that fast.
36:31But these guys have been beating players off the line of scrimmage at times.
36:35But also, like you said, the Christian Watson just dunking on guys as well.
36:40So I'm seeing some motion plays in the replays that I've seen, some fun stuff from the floor in this one.
36:46And then Dylan Fianneman had a pretty, pretty tough day in coverage working over the middle of the field.
36:51I thought they were kind of picking on him.
36:54Yeah, real quick on Matthew Golden. Like when he I mean, again, Jalen Johnson has been great this year.
37:00He's kind of been getting dunked on. But that was a true if he's even he's leaving moment for Matthew Golden on the big corner route there.
37:08He's playing so much faster and decisive this year.
37:10And beyond just like kind of natural year to improvement, I also think the thing that matters a lot for him.
37:17He's just in a much more clearly defined role that I think fits his skill set where last year they kind of bumped him into all different roles.
37:25And especially once Jaden Reed got hurt to kind of put him into that like slot gimmicky role, which that just is not like Golden.
37:32You want him on a straight line and just like snapping off route.
37:36So I'm buying what I'm seeing for Matthew Golden for sure.
37:39Like it's been more than enough evidence at this point.
37:42A hundred percent. I know the people that watch this channel ended up with a lot of Christian Watson and or Matthew Golden this summer.
37:50Yeah, Matt, this is such a different world that we live in with the Packers wide receivers this year where we had
37:56to deal with like five of their names over the last two years.
38:00And literally it's just two now because the next closest wide receiver was Bo Melton for three for 20.
38:06If you want to call him a wide receiver because he's been tried out at cornerback on the same roster, you know,
38:12so it's it's really these two guys and and that's it.
38:1511.8 yards per attempt for Jordan Love is outrageous stuff.
38:18His passing chart is so cool where, you know, the intermediate portion just does not exist for him.
38:24It is everything is 10 yards or lower or 25 yards and deeper.
38:27And we always just talk about him as an ambitious thrower.
38:31And that is 100% the case this week. Okay.
38:33Looking at the Bears. They have won games in the past with Case Keenum.
38:37They've won a game in the past with Tyson Bajan.
38:40Harmon, look at the box score. They can't win the game when both play.
38:45Did Bajan get benched? What happened here? Yeah, Bajan got benched late in this one.
38:49And then Case Keenum just kind of comes in for a check down show basically is the best way I can.
38:55And it was like at the beginning of the fourth quarter.
38:58And it was pretty much there were two outcomes.
39:01Once Case Keenum got onto the field, he was checking the ball down to running backs or in the flats or he was getting absolutely obliterated.
39:09And that was something that was really notable in this game.
39:12The Packers got a lot of pressure on these two quarterbacks and just like especially on Bajan.
39:17They were just blitzing the hell out of him.
39:20Jonathan Gannon, I thought, called a great game all day long.
39:23They dominated the line of scrimmage up front with these guys.
39:2624% blitz rate. So it wasn't a ton of blitzes, but they were really timing and really well timed and really effective.
39:33And then once Case Keenum came in there, it was just a complete, like I said, pressure show.
39:38He was either getting crushed in the pocket or he was checking the ball down really quickly.
39:43And I also thought, too, from a Packers defense perspective, they were just sniffing out all of the cutesy BS behind the
39:50line of scrimmage stuff with the Bears. And that was a lot of what they were doing in this one.
39:55The Khalif Raymond plays have gone from white hot in the first three weeks to some of the worst stuff that they're
40:02putting on tape these last three, especially today. Yeah, three, especially today.
40:05Like the only way they could really consistently get the ball to Luther Burden is on these like Mickey Mouse gimmicky stuff.
40:12So, yeah, honestly, the Bears just they really had nothing today.
40:15They were on the ball decently to start, but then they quickly just fell behind and kind of abandoned that.
40:21They had nothing through the air. That sounds like we're going to get Caleb Williams back next week.
40:26That's just based off of some of the quotes that I saw.
40:30Assuming we do get that back, get him back.
40:33I mean, have we learned anything with Luther Burden versus Roma Dunze versus Colson Loveland versus Khalif Raymond?
40:38Was there any reason to move off of any of our priors in this one?
40:42Because once again, nobody really stands out in this one.
40:45Colson Loveland, only five targets on all these dropbacks as well.
40:49Like, what are we supposed to do with this mess?
40:52I think I don't want to overreact too much to just like these individual game sample sizes without the quarterback here in
40:58terms of the actual potency of any individual player.
41:01But I think we've learned a few things about everybody here.
41:04It has like Luther Burden, by the way, Zyre, frankly, Zyre, Franklin laid into him after the game because Burden had a
41:10quote where he said he wanted to make those guys quit in terms of the Packers.
41:15And Zyre, Franklin was like, that guy's not made any plays in the league.
41:19He's done nothing in the league and he quit today, essentially.
41:23And, you know, frankly, like, yeah, there was a lot.
41:26There was some lifelessness from the Bears offense late in this game.
41:29I'm not going to say anybody quit, but it was again.
41:32He didn't really have any plays beyond the gimmicky stuff at this point.
41:36So that's at least worthwhile to think about. The Loveland stuff is the one that's really, really hard to explain because he's just not involved in the offense.
41:44He never gets these priority looks. And I think he's the one that I've probably changed the priors on the most because
41:51I was expecting him to be the focal point.
41:54And he's not. That's the thing that I think really comes away from these stretch of games here is that it really is very crowded in this room.
42:02Everybody has their kind of individual role. I don't really think anybody's grown out of that.
42:07I mean, even for Roma Dunze, who I love as a separator, he's kind of in that Deontay Johnson zone right now
42:13where he makes just one or two stupid, stupid plays a game that it's like, well, I can show you the 30 great routes he ran.
42:21But you can come right back with a dumb drop or a fumble that he basically caused on his own here in this one.
42:28So it's tough to defend that. Like, that's just that's where he is.
42:32Loveland's like just mysteriously not involved. Maybe that changes burden.
42:35I think it's just kind of been in the same old role.
42:38And then Raymond's still hanging around here as well.
42:41So my big takeaway is just it's really crowded in this room.
42:44And I don't know that anybody's going to fully, fully run away with it.
42:49Yeah, it's time for Caleb. They're on the road against the Falcons next week.
42:53Then they quickly turn around on Thursday night football against the Patriots in the defense that they just posted.
42:58And then it's on the road for Monday night football against the Seattle Seahawks.
43:02Those are the next three. So, yeah, it's time to get Caleb back.
43:06That's for sure. Okay, we'll move on. Let's talk about the Bengals and the Dolphins.
43:11Look, all week long, you know me and the Waver Show.
43:14I talk up Mike Kosicki. I talk about Dante Myers because, of course, Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins aren't going to play in this one.
43:21Well, Hayden, we were wrong. Both barely practiced this week and both played.
43:25Jamar Chase, six for 77 and one touchdown. And really on the day, on just 190 yards, Joe Burrow, four touchdowns as the Bengals win 31 to 24.
43:33And I'll say it, the feisty 0-5 Dolphins. But the Dolphins and this season is going directly and likely how they wanted it to.
43:41Well, first of all, on the waiver wire, like Wednesday waiver wire has a good ring to it.
43:46Like that's something that, you know, getting an extra day of information could be pretty nice.
43:51I'll just throw that out there if anyone from Yahoo is paying attention as well.
43:55But yeah, I will say, Kosicki scores a touchdown immediately, but he had only two targets.
44:00So the people that woke up hungover, missed the injury reports, and then all of a sudden kept Kosicki in their lineup.
44:06Congrats on your 6.4 points or whatever you have in this one.
44:10And then Myers as well. He was still a big part of the story because he had a really big opening return
44:16and then also stepped out of bounds on a kick return at his own five yard line.
44:21So he was still involved in this one. But the Bengals, it was the exact same Bengals that we've watched for the last five years.
44:29They don't do any of the under center stuff.
44:31There was three under center dropbacks in this one.
44:34This was quick out to Jamar Chase. Tee Higgins on a couple slant routes over the middle.
44:39Later in the game, Jamar Chase way over the top on occasion.
44:43But this is get the ball out, shotgun, throw it.
44:46It's the same old story here. We are throw away anything, any offseason stuff that we talked about.
44:51This is the exact same Bengals offense that we've seen for the last five years.
44:55This is also what every offense is going to look like against the Dolphins.
44:59We talked about it on every single ranking show ahead of this matchup that the Dolphins were literally allowing 90% completion rate on throws 10 yards and short.
45:08And look at exactly where everything is this week.
45:10And then what TJ Hawkinson did to them last week.
45:13Like they're just allowing these easy, simple throws over and over and over.
45:17And then, yeah, you can take one shot play down the field.
45:21And like they did to Jordan Addison last week.
45:23And here it is Jamar Chase. And rinse and repeat.
45:26This is what you get against the Dolphins defense every single week.
45:30Hayden, I do want to ask you about the running backs, actually.
45:33Um, because every single week we also talk about Chase Brown being a buy low.
45:38And we said, hey, this is the week that it's going to happen.
45:42This is the game. It's going to happen. Uh, 13 carries for 39 yards, three receptions for 21.
45:47Still not good enough. It wasn't good enough. You had a fumble in this one as well.
45:52Samaji P. Ryan gets a rookie. Jacob Rodriguez on an angle route for a touchdown.
45:56Also, there was another touchdown if you go on who, uh, against Jacob Rodriguez.
46:01I think that was the sticky one. So Jacob Rodriguez, uh, compiling a bunch of tackles, but kind of got lost in coverage in this one.
46:08Uh, yeah, with Chase Brown, he's not a superstar talent.
46:11He doesn't break enough tackles. He doesn't rip off enough explosive plays.
46:15I think he's a competent NFL starter across the board, but there's just a difference between watching him and the other guys that he was drafted next to.
46:23I think it's kind of as simple as that.
46:26The fumble didn't help in this one, but he's never going to be Mr.
46:3050 yard explosive play. He's going to catch a couple of passes in the flats for touchdowns.
46:35He's going to, you know, for the most part, be the goal line back here.
46:39Uh, but you know, drafting him 15th overall and like versus how good his tape is.
46:44I think there's probably just a little bit of a disconnect between that.
46:48Uh, he's not like Omarion Hampton where he's like straight up, like might actually be bad.
46:53He's, he's a fine player. Uh, but you know, we should have probably aimed for a little bit higher of a ceiling than fine.
47:00And I think that's the fact of the matter is they're not going to do the under center stuff where like his
47:06ceiling could, could have raised because they're going to rip off more explosives under center.
47:11That experiment's like kind of already dried up within five weeks.
47:14And with their defense, not being the again, tough with the dolphins today, but their defense, not being the stone worst in the NFL.
47:21I think that also just takes off some of the play volume, which allows them to not get those kinds of compiler receptions as well.
47:28I guess that would also probably, I mean, you could tell me if I'm wrong here, but that feels like part of the theory as well.
47:36Hey, no, no, the Bengals are on a buy coming up, but to T Higgins leave this one fine.
47:42Like it seemed to me with chase, you know, getting through concussion protocol, that one is cut and dry, but T Higgins
47:48coming in with an adductor, the groin injury, uh, that seemed, you know, here or there, but this one could go in that direction.
47:55Yeah. You went DNP, DNP and then full. And then when I saw the full, I'm like, I'm guessing he's just going to be himself.
48:03He ran 28 of 34, uh, drop backs in this one.
48:06He had a drop, uh, had a couple slant wins, but nothing, nothing substantial in this one.
48:11Um, I think like what you said, Josh, like because the linebackers and the communication on this defense is just, it's by
48:17far the youngest defense in the NFL. Uh, and chop Robinson, you get home on occasion as a, as a edge rusher there.
48:24But if you can just kind of like quickly dink and dunk run a couple routes where you kind of just change directions.
48:31Like we've seen Kittle and Kelsey and those guys run like very similar routes for explosives.
48:36If you're just going to get layups like that, like there's really is just no need for like T Higgins to be
48:42dunking on guys way down the field in this one, by the way, that second dot, there's a little white dot on
48:49that Joe burrow, uh, passing chart that went incomplete.
48:51Like the moneyaging out of today, like eight, Jamar chase was over the top and there was two dolphins defenders underneath them
48:58and burrow misses them by like two yards. That would have been a touchdown as well.
49:03So he, we were this close to, you know, the 160 in two, uh, touchdown, um, gain from Jamar chase, but incredible
49:09play that he made in this one and the dolphins, like you said, Josh, I love the Dolphins because they do play
49:16their ass off and I love how they kind of own it at the microphone There's no BS in from anybody.
49:22They're like we're trying we're competing. This isn't good enough And there's kind of like a no excuses mindset But also like
49:28the head coach and Malik Willis stuff like they understand what this team is This team could win one game this year.
49:35I was looking at their schedule and stuff like it's hard to predict A team to win literally zero games this year.
49:41I don't think this team's getting to three wins I think they're that far behind all over the place on both sides
49:48of the ball, but that schedule is not the easiest one and They're feisty is simply not talented enough.
49:53Yeah It feels like the bingos are involved in every game that they play like one or one and a half score
50:00games right now And then you look at it.
50:03I know we've barely seen caleb douglas But I thought he flashed in the opening two weeks of the season chris bell
50:09his best play has been taken away But the eye test is is there and like those are two wide receivers you
50:16can build around Caden proctor's a massive human being and paired with aaron brewer and patrick paul that can make up your
50:22left side of your offensive line Then on defense jacob rodriguez is already racking up a ton of tackles Chris johnson is
50:29flashing at the cornerback spot like they've hit on a ton of rookies that you can build around And yet they are
50:35going oh and five yet staying competitive on a weekly basis We can talk about like the ollie gordon of it all
50:42and yeah He's back to back now with touchdowns with 18 carries and 88 yards and our guy malik washington matt six
50:48receptions for 43 yards You love to see it as the ppr scam of the season Uh, but just overall I think
50:55this is going Exactly how the long view of the dolphins should be Yeah, the malik washington thing is so funny because
51:01he's like top 15 ish Like tied with justin jefferson and targets per route run, but every week it ends up with
51:07like six catches for 43 yards And I think he actually looks pretty decent.
51:12It's just they don't run any plays whatsoever Um, yeah hayden any thoughts on ollie gordon?
51:16Because I mean we get devon a chan out of here and now suddenly the dolphins run game is cooking.
51:22What's up with that? Yeah, ollie gordon had I mean he easily led the team in snaps you're dealing right six carries
51:29for 11 yards All the gordon had I would say probably four or five runs that went for about tennis yards He
51:35had a long of 22 as well He's not going to catch the ball at all, but he's by far the biggest
51:42Uh boy in the backfield josh and that means he's going to get a goal line work There's not going to be
51:48that much goal line work in in this uh malik willis had a goal line touchdown himself in complete garbage time The
51:55malik willis stuff just spent a A second on him both interceptions were just like in the like inexcusable variety Like there's
52:01a very clear check down that I thought on the one that got tipped and then the other one He flushes himself
52:08out of the pocket throws kind of across his body for an interception He can't be having those plays.
52:13There was also a fumble when he was stepping up in the pocket as well Like those are three like very critical mistakes.
52:20You'll see some air yards in the spreadsheets here Those are absolute prayers down the field like those like should not count
52:27those just be evaporated from the spreadsheets malik washington He has a carry that goes for 18 yards chris bell and around
52:3326 yards up the sideline like that's a that's a big guy That's running pretty fast Like, you know, chris bell is
52:40pretty intriguing not for fantasy this year But just like as as a dolphins fan if there's any anybody left out there
52:46Um, but yeah, malik willis still made a couple plays on on the run.
52:50He had an awesome scramble for 39 yards as well like You know, it's it's maybe a step down from what I
52:57was hoping for with malik willis just watching him like the consistency There's a couple flashes there, but Just too many fatal
53:03fatal mistakes and I think a lot of them are like squarely because of him Matt prediction time Uh, I think the
53:10phrase i'm dolphins curious is going to be very popular one after after this season depending on the quarterback Just based on
53:16what this environment could potentially be in like the story you can write for yourself All right.
53:21Well, I mean I did it with the cardinals this offseason.
53:25I don't know if I got the stomach to do it again two times in a row We'll see well I'm going
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54:10king sports app today and keep football at your fingertips Wherever you are the crown is yours The minnesota vikings are freaking
54:17five and oh And they beat the new orleans saints here 23 13 now there might be some asterisk on that what
54:23we'll talk about in a moment but Matt The number one question we have to ask ourselves Because we knew the vikings
54:30defense was number one in the league What about their offense?
54:33What is it at least the black score reads kyler murray 24 30 229 one touchdown just two sacks taken I ask
54:39this question every week, but matt What did we learn in week five?
54:43Yeah, we should definitely come back to the vikings defense because this actually the game with the saints went exactly as you'd
54:50expect Like we could have simmed this one and like everything that we said about it was correct But okay, so on
54:56the offensive side of it though I do think we learned a couple of things about kyler murray specifically He was he
55:03was pretty good in this game and his little safety blanket from last week uh, t.j.
55:07Hawkinson got a concussion Basically right away was out for the game completely gone.
55:12Um, justin jefferson rules Not that that's something we didn't know already but his touchdown if you guys haven't seen it You
55:18should definitely go back and watch the replay He is in the slot.
55:22He gets uh, like kind of tangled up with one defender gets free pushes powers through it Basically, it's corner out in
55:28the back of the end zone three defenders vacuum towards him and he still catches the ball So we talked about this
55:35on stats versus film where a lot of the offense last week felt like kind of the worst versions of The kevin
55:41o'connell boom and bust nature the kyler murray boom and bust nature and jordan addison being your lead receiver Addison doesn't play
55:48in this game, but you get justin jefferson back that makes a whole hell of a lot of difference But kyler was again.
55:55He was pretty solid in this game started out 11 of 11 I thought he was fast and explosive.
56:00This was the best. I think he's looked as a runner In quite some time and it was like once he made
56:07a decision to get out of there The saints defenders were kind of just pulling their hair out trying to get him
56:13on the ground He looked again very fast very explosive and notably today to uh, kyler murray was 21 of 24 Today
56:20for 204 yards and a touchdown from the shotgun or pistol He was only three of six for 35 all under center
56:26So there's definitely a little bit of blending of the worlds here in terms of what kyler murray wants to do And
56:33what kevin o'connell has traditionally done with these quarterbacks So you can tell yourself a story that as these guys work more
56:39and more together They can kind of meet in the middle here and I kind of have some similar notes on the
56:46run game as well I agree on the kyler murray speed that he had that one scramble to the right sideline that
56:52I saw where he he was looking so fast So completely agree there and yeah, the 51 rushing yards like that's how
56:59he can that kind of maintain like as a top 12 ish quarterback Because we've seen a lot lesser quarterbacks Kind of
57:05finish that way for uh, for fans in this offense So looking at the passing chart not a whole lot over the
57:12middle like there's a couple turn downs that I saw but Kyler's like ball placement and like ability to kind of throw
57:18on the run like if you got justin jefferson one-on-one and stuff like I don't want to like completely overthink the throwing
57:25over the middle stuff like You can throw the ball deep on time to justin jefferson like that's gonna be able to
57:31you know, carry carry an offense enough given how good the defense is Yeah, you're gonna leave plays on the field when
57:38this is part of it But when you have one of the best if not the best receiver in the entire world
57:44And the run game is humming here 25 carries for aaron jones aaron jones is a beast man.
57:50I know he's not gonna say healthy He even got uh banged up in this one when he He he fumbled I think at the goal.
57:57Yeah, he fumbles at the goal line, uh, but returns and later scores a touchdown and his touchdown Is a gap run there's a puller.
58:05It's just true power football and he barrels his way in there, so I know he's not here for a long time,
58:11but man He's here for a good time is aaron jones So, uh, we'll see what the split looks like when they
58:18get back from the bye and jordan mason presumably returns as well But aaron jones has been very good and I again
58:24this is a very similar where You they wanted to be I think a outside zone team coming into the year They
58:31talked a lot about that, but they have slowly but surely just been ripping those plays out of the playbook and putting
58:37More of these power gap runs in here and at least on the jones part of it.
58:42He's responding to that extremely. Well Matt, I have a big picture question to ask you.
58:47So if you need a moment to answer it, I totally understand Okay, our buddy in hard it's Posted that the vikings
58:53this season Defensive epa per play number one in the nfl that is not a surprise when you watch them on a
59:00weekly basis and we'll talk about him right now if you want but Offensive epa per play Is 32nd so where do you think?
59:07This vikings offense can get to like where do they need to get to in order to match and maybe win the
59:13super bowl Because their defense is playing like a super caliber winning defense right now Yeah epa wise they're 32nd Um in
59:20terms of the metrics that I look again, this is coming into this week.
59:24So I haven't updated the numbers yet But they're about like yeah 25th best offense in the league.
59:29Uh, if you kind of take a Amalgamation amalgamation of all these different metrics.
59:34Um, their success rate is just super low They're going to be kind of boom bust I think if they can get I don't know about super bowl.
59:42I mean super bowl is a lot I I don't know if I trust this off their five and a super bowl, but Yeah, great.
59:49I mean that's different than playing the best teams in the nfl and and kind of doing that in january Which is
59:56the saints are not the bet one of the best teams in the nfl We'll talk about this second, but um, yeah,
60:02I would say we got to get closer to like 15 to 17 which you know that is quite a bit of
60:09ways to go Yeah, and I think part of that defensive epa and again this defense is unreal But you face caleb
60:15williams in that storm and he pulls his hamstring going in for a touchdown Then you face this version of baker mayfield
60:22with tampa bay Then you face the dolphins and here you face the saints Um, matt let's talk about that saints offense.
60:28Tyler shucks 16 of 25 For 96 yards 3.8 Yards per attempt two interceptions one sack Uh, and I feel like I
60:35saw one question if he broke his left hand or not And he said I basically can't reveal that information.
60:41So what it looked like today It looks like he broke his hand uh, because he was handing off the ball with
60:47his with the one hand all game So he probably broke his hand Um, but yeah, this game wasn't even as close
60:54as the final score leads you to believe if you're looking at the saints offense Because jonas sanker recovered and returned a
61:00fumble for 87 yards, which ultimately tied the game Uh, and then the the vikings offense was able to put it away
61:07the saints offense is I mean it literally had Nothing in this one, uh in the first half brian flores blitzed tyler
61:13shuck on 91 of his dropbacks and then they call It was out Outrageous and then to put poor salt on the
61:20wound They back off of it only a mere 40 percent pressure rate in the second half But next gen stats noticed
61:26that they had they got more pressure on tyler shuck when not blitzing Then when blitzing so, uh, yeah, it was just that offensive line against that front.
61:34We knew it was going to be a mismatch It absolutely was a mismatch They were held the saints offense to a
61:412.3 percent explosive play rate just one explosive play on the day A 16 yarder to chris olave That is the lowest
61:47explosive play rate in a game in the next gen stats era So since 2016, uh, is when they're starting that one
61:54So I mean literally again everything we said about this game where it was going to be a mismatch Cj donaldson did
62:00indeed play the most snaps in the back of course because he's the pass protection back 100 percent with josh we talked
62:07about that on the preview show nailed that one Uh, and unfortunately if you started alvin kameran You're hoping for the touchdown
62:13scam that went to kendra miller who got all the work inside the five yard line and punched in his touchdown Very
62:20early in the game as well Oh, i'm just looking at Every drive the saints had After their second drive, which was
62:26a touchdown of 15 plays 66 yards It went three and out three and out Fumble on the kickoff interception after 11
62:33yards Uh punt turnover on downs and interception on the day Like yeah, this saints team Again, they played their best ball
62:39in third and long situations this season and mostly in second halves of games You cannot find yourself in those situations against
62:46this brian flores defense And so they they just have to Find answers as they go along here because Matt, we like
62:52a lot of the pieces on the saints and they're going to get even better once You know, jordan tyson comes back
62:59eventually But uh at one and four in this hole.
63:02I understand the nfc south is what it is and every team is going to be eight and eight forever Even if
63:08eight and eight doesn't exist Uh You're digging yourself a hole here Yeah I think the offensive line and the state of
63:15the run game is too bad for them to be a serious team Which that's something that they have to look at,
63:21you know, maybe travis h and gets back They weren't using him like that anyways, but uh, the kelvin banks injury.
63:27That's the that's the bigger one to me It's just That's That's too It's too either too on serious along the offensive
63:34line at this point He's almost like allowed the most pressures since the kelvin banks injury like the backup and then looking
63:40at this one The running backs in the tight ends allowed six pressures And you know, you just can't have that that's
63:47like the credit to brian flores for you know, just understanding the pass protection rules But these guys just can't block for
63:53new orleans now real quick if this is a broken hand and we're we know Calvin kelvin banks isn't coming back for
64:00a while like A broken handle for your quarterback Like are we talking about the juwan and veley stuff is like unserious
64:06now for fantasy Like we we've seen the highs of that and like we can't trust it moving forward If he truly
64:13does have a broken hand like is this pretty much only chris olave for for fantasy purposes Yeah Um, it was his
64:19left hand so not his throwing hand, you know, there is there is that for tyler shuck, but It definitely gets a little thinner.
64:27Um, he did not look comfortable and his one of his interceptions today was just like completely Baffling so it was it
64:33just was a bad day at the office I'm i'm not going to totally give up the ghost on the veley and
64:40johnson stuff But I think this one just was it was a buzz saw they were predictably going to run into so
64:46i'm not totally ready to give up But it is a little concerning for sure All right Speaking of ghosts I would
64:53say Aaron rogers Found some parts of his game that we thought were dead But they came back alive here in week
64:59five Let's see where you're going with that Indianapolis colts 22 here's where i'm going with it matt you ready The colts
65:06kicked five field goals in this game and the steelers scored four touchdowns Simple math will tell you that field goals are
65:12worth three points and touchdowns are worth six plus one That was the entire difference here.
65:17Uh, and also Jalen warren was a huge freaking difference for the pittsburgh's the other is one of hayden winks's best shout
65:23outs of the summer First touchdown 80 Yard swing pass to the house aaron rogers takes a huge shot in the backfield
65:30It flicks it out to jalen warren just in time who outruns the one linebacker that's covering to the corner And he's
65:36untouched the rest of the way thanks to dk freaking metcalf Blocking two separate defenders down the field and spring him Maybe
65:43just maybe the sauce gardener trash talk this week got dk in his groove from a blocker standpoint and sprung that long
65:49touchdown The second one jalen warren 50 yarder Broke two arm tackles at the line of scrimmage and he was straight gone
65:56the Booth which was jim nance said that we were expecting 17 to 22 touches from jalen warren heading into this game
66:02Uh, jalen warren pitches with 21 you love to see it pat frymuth had two other touchdowns here And then another nugget
66:09that we got from the production meetings is that quote aaron rogers likes jerry bernard He never fails to mention him in a production meeting with us.
66:17Well jerry bernard nine targets six receptions 80 yards Leader among all those wide receivers roman wilson Dislocates his finger on his
66:23first target just before halftime Immediately ruled out so You're going to see jerry bernard painted all over waiver wire columns this
66:30week as the headliner Because we know michael pittman is out for multiple weeks And jerry bernard Did have one drop but
66:36was a total gamer here and every time he gets a chance He pops up and shows exactly who he is So,
66:43uh, hey now send it over to you this steelers team three and two right now Uh, they were sick of being 500 and squeaking into the playoffs.
66:51I'm not saying it's like totally different here They have like the bucks the saints and the browns over the next three weeks.
66:58This could be a nice stretch here for the steelers Yeah To me this story is just goes to the jalen warren
67:04like This is like austin neckler to me just watching him over the years like they have not committed to it enough
67:11And I really hope that you know the last couple games here with without rico dowdle Was the wake-up call and that
67:17they don't make this a committee Like obviously with jalen warren his size like he probably shouldn't touch the ball 20 times
67:24on average But could this like not be a 50 50 split between rico dowdle and jill They're playing different sports like
67:30there is no way that rico dowel could hit The the explosive plays that jalen warren has he's good in protection.
67:37He's physical He's pretty quick on top of that.
67:39He knows where he's going like I've always thought he's just underutilized and like I really hope with rico dowel returning that
67:46they do not put a lid on this Like it's not going to be like fantasy rb1 status But could he not
67:52be the rb24 from for the rest of the season?
67:55Like could he actually be like a top 15 guy like that?
67:59It's so obvious that he's so much better than how this there's used him for like last couple years You said the
68:05name uh, austin echo I want to say I swear to god eckler and I did a segment at one point where
68:12he pointed out He saw some similarities in jalen warren's game to himself not just because they're Undrafted guys who were at
68:18number 30, but uh, kind of followed that same path and have that same skill set Yeah, man, like let's fully unleash
68:25jayen warren We showed some stat on the screen where like he is the first running back since freaking herschel walker to
68:31have like an 80 yard touchdown and 50 By the way, herschel walker our uh ambassador to the bahamas, so that's how
68:38long ago that was okay So yeah, I mean like let's let's go jalen warren I I mean he's he's such a
68:44good player and makes this offense actually feel If they're going to do the spread stuff with rogers, he's such a way
68:51better fit for it So I mean, yeah, I just I hope we're not just wish casting this hayden because it it
68:57does feel like it could be real And I'll add some of its under center like I feel like rogers is going
69:04more under center this year than he has In in the past few years, this was an interesting dynamic because jay-j watt
69:10was in the booth with his brother tj Obviously on the field and jay kept mentioning that Jalen warren gets better the
69:17more touches you give him And whenever he talks about the steelers I kind of wonder how much of that is through
69:23his communication with his brother and maybe what they feel internally But rico sounds like he will be back next week from
69:30his dislocated toe So, uh, we'll see what happens, but it should go in this direction.
69:34That's for sure Okay, matt. I want to send this to you this comment with the colts Um, I think the colts
69:41are one of the worst teams in the nfl Like we can throw up the arizona cardinals The tennessee titans and the
69:47miami dolphins as the bottom three I understand they're two and three, but I think I would put the colts next Um, jonathan taylor is awesome.
69:55He was stuffed four times at the goal line So hayden he's gonna be massive in your expected fancy points model this
70:02week Tyler warren actually got the rushing score as a fullback Uh, he also went seven for 83 on a handful of
70:08deeper routes today Which is very cool to see in terms of overs and he actually had the lowest A dot in
70:15the league among all non-running backs entering this week and that should change But man, they have nothing else Uh, everything is
70:21so compact when they're throwing down the field and daniel jones just doesn't move like he used to The ball dies and
70:28then when he throws or it's too overthrown It's just not hitting nearly as much as it did last year And it
70:34makes sense like when you're throwing to keenan allen Uh nine times when you're throwing to laquan treadwell eight times Matt, it
70:41just has a whole different feel to it. And I think the colts, uh, I think they stink Yeah, they suck for sure.
70:47Uh, tyler warren 9.9 air yards per target feels like a miracle I think it was 2.3 coming into this game.
70:54Uh, so and yeah, when he had like the rushing touches like oh great Just more gimmicky stuff for tyler warren So
71:00at least there's that uh, josh downs. I saw had a 40 yard explosive play down the field He averages 16.5 air
71:07yards per target, but The vertical stuff to laquan treadwell just feels Sad that this is the state of the offense and
71:13like none to your point josh I don't think any of it matters because every time I watch daniel jones i'm like
71:20more disappointed than the previous week So again, this is one of those things where it's so cute that we can be
71:26in in the summer like oh my god This guy looks like nothing ever happened to him And then you get into
71:33a real nfl game and he looks like a quarterback who has always been up and down and is Coming off a
71:39torn achilles like he doesn't move like he used to to your point Uh, look at the the deepest passes of the game.
71:46He went one for 11 on them So, you know, it's a lot of prayers to laquan treadwell to your point Whatever
71:52happened to darius slayton like is he ever going to get active and going?
71:56Like I forgot. I forgot. I forgot about that I told well nick westberg akine got a long target here.
72:02So uh That's not gonna help deon burks. They're like trying deon brooks.
72:06Yeah, 43. Yes If you can run in a straight line, you're going to get a deep target and it's going to
72:13go incomplete here Yeah, I mean Look on a day where he throws zero interceptions and only takes one sack you would
72:19think like maybe the Colts are going to be more competitive But it just comes down to if they get a penalty
72:26or if they fail to gain yards on the ground Which again john and taylor only average three yards per carry here
72:32Then you get in these second and third long situations and that's how you get into five field goals Right because they
72:39can't convert on those Third and eight third and twelves Whatever it is because they just don't have the horses for it
72:45Like they tried josh downs in two tight window targets down the field And then the db just kind of was draped
72:52all over him and knocked it away So it's this is just who they are this year and it's it's pretty unfortunate
72:58and it makes sense why they paid Alec pierce so much money other than you know He's really good at football.
73:04It comes down to that. Okay Houston texans There's a lot to talk about here But first we have to start with
73:11them actually winning a game and posting 26 points Matt I see 261 and a touchdown For cj stroud along with a
73:17rushing score Uh, unfortunately, I see zavier hutchinson having more receiving yards for nico collins But also The running back room woody
73:24marks 15 carries for 62 and dave montgomery 5 for 11 Take this wherever you want Either the dmont injury or cj
73:30stroud actually throwing the football Well with cj stroud there's a couple amazing plays out of structure That I thought really stood
73:37out because obviously when cj stroud has time throwing the ball to nico collins over the middle That's that's pretty much automatic
73:43But on the jalen nold touchdown He was flushed to his left throws that ball jalen nold makes a great play extending
73:50His hands away from the defender now jalen still only has 45% snaps 50 of the routes He's only out there in
73:5611 personnel pretty much He has you know 5 of 26 snaps outside of 11 personnel So we can't get that excited
74:03about jalen nold, but he's going to be Uh, uh, the same exact player once we get marvin harrison Out there but
74:09there's a couple other throws from cj stroud Uh towards the sideline.
74:13There's a great one To kasha on booty. He also had a zone read touchdown at the two yard line as well
74:19So there was it was just like another very clean game for cj stroud He's very welcoming to the marvin harrison.
74:26They obviously played together and had a lot of success in college Um, and once again, not a whole lot on the
74:32ground woody marks had a 24 yard touchdown Uh called back on a holding play.
74:37I thought that was a little bit ticky tack Uh, but david montgomery with a groin injury He was like barely kind
74:43of walking to the locker room Like to me that looked like a multi-week injury here And i'll just say it again
74:50woody marks is better than david montgomery I've said that after every single game i've watched from the houston texans to the
74:56point now The texans reporters who typically don't like to do like too much opinion based Uh tweeting they were like woody
75:03marks should be the running back for this team Even when david montgomery comes back i'm not predicting that's going to be
75:09the case, but He just moves a step faster.
75:12I think he should play like, you know 60 75 of the snaps There's a couple screens to him and then after
75:18the game Uh demico ryan said quote may miss some time on david montgomery So I think this team should be a
75:25pass first team with woody marks as kind of your space back Win with defense win with explosives in the past game
75:31Live with the results because the run game results are just never going to be good enough And I think that the
75:38marvin harrison trade on top of that like further further believes Uh that point for me because cj strata things just playing
75:44like really really high in ball Yeah, i'm i feel like i'm gonna be talking about the marvin harrison trade a hundred
75:51different times in the next three days So I don't want to yeah, I don't want to kind of blow all the
75:57notes right now But I totally agree with you hayden that when this was even the thought you know from the very
76:04weird reporting on saturday I'm like out at brunch with with my wife and i'm looking at my phone like what what are we doing here?
76:11Um, i've had too many mimosas to try to Uncover what this means, but um, yeah, it's Even thinking about it then
76:18if it was going to be a houston texan Even before seeing this game which is another great game for shroud and
76:24the whole deal This team should just be a total pass first spread like let cj stroud cook and I do at
76:31least just You know marv obviously is an up and down player, but I wanted to see either marv or nico play
76:37fewer snaps at x receiver Based on what i've heard from the texans staff My guess is it's gonna not about not
76:44with marv, but My guess is it's gonna end up being harrison not nico because I think they want nico to stick
76:50in that In that x role, so You know, I I think this could get really pretty interesting if they just like
76:57kind of Give the keys to stroud and abandon the run game completely Uh matt again You're going to talk about this
77:0399 more times But with marv does he just check directly into the role that we expected jayn higgins to have open this season?
77:10Yep, a guy that they can do some x receiver stuff with even last year with nico and jayden They would kind
77:17of have two guys be outside on the ball With when those two guys were active, so I think they can obviously
77:23do that with marv, but You look at Higgins route tree from his rookie year It does lean into a lot of
77:30the breaking routes that Marv runs and fewer of the kind of vertical stretch stuff that he just absolutely cannot do so
77:36um, and I also think there's something to the fact that you know stroud really believes in him because It's pretty i'm
77:43curious to hear what you heard from the broadcast josh with the cardinals and everything because it is pretty clear that Man
77:49that relationship was was bad there uh, and even from the beginning I saw the The thing that chris carter said about
77:56how he bought the fifth had to buy the 50 000 jug machine By himself because the cardinals wouldn't buy it or
78:02something So it's like right from the bad right from the beginning So obviously harrison's a guy who's had some up and
78:09downs from the mental part of it for sure So having his guy there and stroud believing him.
78:14I think that that does help things. Yeah last question on this matt um I think one issue with marv other than
78:21just parts of his game is just the volume And you know some people will say it's earned some people say well,
78:27he's just not gotten it all this type of stuff Do you think in this offense in that role that we're expecting to have?
78:34He'll average more than like three and a half targets, which has kind of been what he's been getting with the cardinals
78:41as of late Like what what are your expectations volume wise opposite nico collins and attach to cj strap?
78:47I will take the over on three and a half targets for sure I think we could get somewhere to like six
78:53maybe per game Um, especially if they do kick up the past attempts because You can hate marv all you want He's
78:59better than kashon booty or you know even xavier hutchinson who runs like 47 of the routes here So I expect him
79:06to be a pretty impactful player here Well, josh Xavier hutchinson has at least five targets in every single one of these
79:12games So we can't clear the five mark then like something's like really really rotten here Um, yeah, I think like what
79:19matt said it's gonna be a version of the jaden higgins role That is more intriguing to me than the marvin harrison
79:25please went on this go post route stuff I just don't think he's fast enough.
79:30I think you you should utilize them in the ways matt was talking about So I think this is absolutely stock up for marvin harrison.
79:37He should be rostered In all leagues. I do think that there's gonna be a chance that he's gonna be You know somewhere in the 30s.
79:45I would say like rest of season rankings. I would say wide receiver 35 or so I think that's where jaden higgins
79:51would have ended up Because I think cj shrouds playing better than we expected And I think the ground game has been
79:58so bad that they really do have like no choice to me to be stroud collins harrison and then jalen knoll In
80:04the slot no more kasha no more xavier hutchinson like those guys right uh not good enough And simple math he goes
80:11from being the third target On the arizona cardinals to the second target here are the houston texans like that is a
80:17positive in the direction here And just for everyone at home It was basically a second round pick that went in the
80:24opposite direction plus a late round pick swap jake laser got on the broadcast saying that any mention of the Indianapolis colts
80:30or the las vegas readers they were not involved in this trade at all It was just with the houston texans and
80:37on that note Apparently marvin harrison jr hired an agent to get this trade done He did not have an agent prior
80:43to this which I thought was an interesting part that He knew that this was on the cards or wanted it to
80:50happen And hired an agent to kind of facilitate this so yeah, it was it was very necessary For all sides let's
80:56put that one Hopefully it hits the ground running and hopefully like his relationship with the quarterback Allows it to hit the
81:03ground running and um, I would actually say hayden like good job for the cardinals getting a second round pick this year
81:09And not like a second round pick next year as we've seen you know other teams send and receive recently too I
81:16think that makes sense I think you know marv's way better than what he's been Recently like I think that this is
81:22going to kind of reset his career He's not going to hit the complete ceiling that we have But there's a lot
81:29of second round picks that teams make at wide receiver that just don't pan out And I think I would rather have
81:35Marv like kind of rejuvenated with cd stroud who has familiar my last night on the trade Do you think that the
81:42texans had to win this game for this trade to yeah, actually be facilitated which goes to my point The cardinals had
81:48zero expectations for the titans that they were willing to sit their own player Assuming that the titans were going to lose
81:55this game, which well Maybe it's never happened before and by the way the titans were never even close I was gonna say can you blame them?
82:03Yes Talk about the titans offense hayden because uh, you know cam ward throws for 170 yards in one interception Uh after
82:09you know last week of carnell take catching what 14 balls for over 100, whatever Uh, he catches one for six on
82:16five targets that sucks You can watch an entire titans game and like not even understand like or have any notes written
82:22down like that This game just kind of came and went the big thing was You know, daniel hunter and Daniel hunter
82:29and will anderson it was just overpowering the left tackle really really struggled there's a 57 pressure rate allowed for the tennessee
82:35titans cam ward had a you know, like a stripped interception fumble deflection Whatever we want to call it because it deal
82:42daniel hunter there was a couple like out of you know Out of structure moments from cam board You can go halves
82:48without like, you know Just like back to back in pocket in rhythm completions for this offense And that's just kind of
82:55where this one went there was a big deep shot In this one to carnell tape that goes just incomplete tyj spears
83:01has a fumble and it's a lot of tony pollard like You know, there's like no level of consistency the bellic flash
83:08to day ball in the booth and like You just don't know like what exactly like they're even going for Um, so
83:14you know, it was a hundred and seventy scoreless passing yards for cam ward Um as expected for brutal sacks I I
83:21don't know what they're trying to be. I don't know what cam ward is trying to be Um, because he has a
83:27big arm, but they don't like really use it down the field all too much.
83:32It's I don't know man Like it's a it's a terrible football team.
83:36They're nowhere near as good as they should be in the second season with cam ward Yeah I'll just add that bad
83:42teams stay bad because of ownership I think we can point that in the direction of the arizona cardinals and we can
83:49point that the direction of the tennessee titans Like the nfl is all about creating a level playing field through draft picks
83:55and pregnancy Everyone gets to spend the same and you should not suck This long Um, and when you do it's because
84:02your owners stink Making decisions behind the scenes and then Also just hiring the wrong people And I think that these two
84:08teams have kind of gone through that cycle over the last few years.
84:12Yeah With the titans by the way, they fired three more Uh, senior vice presidents, uh, the chief revenue officers out of
84:19there the senior vice presidents out of there The brand marketing vice president out of their vice president of creative out of
84:25there like, you know Top down that includes, you know, trying to sell Some tickets and whatnot for the new stadium.
84:31It's you know, I think this team just rotten Yeah, I I think one of the people that they fired was the
84:38person in charge of the entirely new logo and branding and the new uniform on top of this And then like you're
84:44saying, um, they're opening a new stadium next year And probably charging a whole lot God So Okay, well, let's talk about
84:51those arizona cardinals because they got demolished Like you do against the detroit lions.
84:55I mean The lines open with three three and outs and still posted 45 points on the cardinals That's really bad guys.
85:01I mean really bad And after those first three and outs and look Jared golf got I think sacked on his first
85:08drop back in each of those first two drives Then they were nails Um, and it all happened on third and fourth
85:14downs Sam laporta converts a huge fourth and four while taking a big hit Gibbs ultimately puts in the end zone on
85:21that first drive that they score By the way, jameer gibbs is now tied for nfl history Actually, he overtook it In
85:27this game with the most touchdowns before the age of 25 in nfl history He now has surpassed Barry sanders of the
85:34detroit lions, but sam laporta had a day I mean a touchdown five receptions 88 yards when this team didn't need to
85:40do anything in the fourth quarter An awesome catch and run on third and 12 got 11 for that Then the next
85:47snap he leaked out for a 31 yard touchdown on fourth and one But the name to bring up here Two catches
85:5347 yards two touchdowns Finally Jamison williams Uh, the first one a stack with isaac tesla a crossing route versus buddabaker who
86:00left earlier With a groin injury that was on a fourth and four touchdown We love the aggressiveness from dan campbell.
86:06This is when it pays off The second was on a three-level concept kind of same play they ran a few years
86:13ago against the tempe bucks I remember breaking that down with I think it was Josh mcganda might've been colt mccoy Uh,
86:19anyways one on one easy easy long touchdown and a quiet day Quiet day for i'm on rossi and brown just six
86:26for 69 to go along with gibbs uh 151 and two scores.
86:29Um, and then quickly on the cardinals. I mean they just sucked They were really bad.
86:34Uh, yeah, jacoby gets there in the end with 292 and three touchdowns.
86:38Congratulations For your second half garbage time when you're down, you know 35 to seven Um, the big talking point though is
86:44jeremiah love 12 carries 22 yards No catches Uh, this was the longest game of his life in the longest season of
86:51his life um, I think jeremiah love our buddy field yates tweeted out now has Negative eight receiving yards over the last
86:57two weeks hayden and he's yet to reach 20 receiving yards in a game this season That is like mismanagement for the
87:04number three overall pick who's a very good pass catcher for your team I mean, this is another one of these, you
87:10know Bad teams stay bad and it's all the way to the top.
87:14You know, you're drafting running back I love jeremiah love but you're drafting Running backs third overall when the rest of your
87:21team stinks monty awesome for like look at his last like three or four draft classes They've spent real draft capital trying
87:27to fix this defense Real cap dollars to try to fix this defense and it's just like a walking 40 points allowed
87:34Um, so Yeah, the the jeremiah love stuff. What was it a new injury?
87:38Did he look injured? Was this just The rotation that we should expect moving forward like to be learn anything new from
87:44this game about like the status of his ankles Legit think he just got phased out and that's part of the issue
87:51With being on a team like this when you're down 35 to 7 Uh at with you know, a quarter and a
87:57half left to play Why would they trot out jeremiah love again in the longest season of his life?
88:03Which I I know we're we bring up mad that phrase is a joke But I actually think we saw it implemented
88:09here Like why is a team going to you know, oh, yeah Force feed him check downs and big hits when he's
88:16going to be like a fixture of your Franchise for the next few years Why do that in a game that you
88:22know you're going to lose and so that hurts us From a fancy asset standpoint because he's not getting the gimme stuff
88:29He's not getting the touchdowns that jacoberset throws in the fourth quarter And because of that he's Useless in a game like
88:35this I still feel like it would be slightly different if he wasn't banged up But that's kind of like the calculus
88:42of it too is to your point why Waste these jeremiah love touches when you're getting obliterated by the detroit lions So
88:48yeah, really frustrating if you have jeremiah love and fantasy just frustrating overall too on this offense that I mean, I benefited
88:55from the jacoberset fantasy scam because I started him in the experts league So, you know, that was like staring at eight
89:01points for forever and then it ends up with 20 plus So that's great.
89:05That's what it's going to be but tegan uh quit toriano gets two of the i'm probably Posturing that name.
89:11I apologize. Uh, he Sorry, i'm i'm sorry. I hate mispronouncing people's names, but I don't know what it sounds like So
89:18two two touchdowns for him And those are the early touchdowns to train mcbride got his super late.
89:23I saw Yes, uh Also, if your question is who is replacing marvin harrison jr in this offense Uh, jalen brooks got
89:30a deep shot on the first series and then he also got a second and nearly tips into himself for a touchdown
89:36So jalen brooks got run here, but so did reggie virgil and then tegan quintaro Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
89:42I charted reggie virgil pre-draft. So That's a person to me Well, jalen brooks, I think is like a Uh, 30 year player out of south carolina.
89:50No fourth year 30 year. Yeah, 20 23 seventh round pick Um, truly have never heard of them.
89:55Um, trim mcbride had a sick. It was the last touch on the game doesn't matter But I mean just a nasty
90:02get both feet in bounds while tipping the ball and juggling it to yourself So yeah, I mean Kendrick born is also
90:08going to be someone that we mentioned on the waiver wire for better for worse because this offense is going to be
90:15down by a lot He's going to run a bunch of routes.
90:18He's out there in you know, the middle of the field territory and Uh, he was outperforming marvin harrison jr in a
90:25number of the games earlier this season So I don't think his role is necessarily going to change that much But uh,
90:31you know at least the pecking order I think is is quite clear and they're gonna run three players at that other
90:38spot And sacrifice them to the wind sprint gods Uh for the rest of the game.
90:42That's for sure I just looked jalen brooks is 40 time 4 6 9.
90:46I mean, okay I don't know if i've seen a wide receiver that i mean that is historically low for actually getting
90:53NFL snaps I think the kendrick born stuff is just going to be ppr scam when the cardinals have given up their
90:5940th point of the game And he's trusted and he's not going to get benched this season Uh, like I think he's
91:06like fine enough as an individual player and he he's got um Lafleur experience going back to you know beyond the season
91:12so You know, he's not gonna like I don't think he's gonna be like a rest of season top 30 guy But
91:19like will he do this five for 70 on eight targets multiple times the rest of this year?
91:24I absolutely think he's going to do that Yep, yep, okay That does it for all the games that we were assigned
91:31But let's dial it back to sunday morning and harman i'm gonna throw this to you jaguars 19 eagles 17 Uh, I
91:37know I took a segment of the show Talking through the ending of the commanders and giants Do you want to take
91:44a segment and talk about what happened at the end of this game?
91:48Yeah, um, I don't even really know where to begin with what happened in this football game This the chart really does
91:54show it pretty well here I turned this game off with eight seconds to go because like all right, cool Um, eagles
92:01kick the field goal They're gonna go ahead and win this one Uh, that was not that was not to be the
92:07case Because jacksonville jaguars get the return amir abdulla by the way shout out to amir abdulla gets the return Uh, he
92:14returns it to field goal range and cam little boots in the game winning field goal 19 to 17 The jags escaped
92:20this one and I mean it when I say The jags escaped this one because they Shot themselves in the foot over
92:27and over and over again with some of the most outrageous disgusting penalties you could ever i mean there are Like liam
92:33cohen is a great is a great coach and I love liam cohen as a coach, but he is a he's a
92:40hothead And this team kind of plays like a hothead.
92:43You know what i'm saying? So there was that and then the goal line The goal line sequences for this team they
92:49could not call a normal play they could not Have a successful play at one point basial tootin does like a full
92:55jet sweep when they line up chris rodriguez at the backfield That gets stuffed eagles defense actually played a pretty good game
93:02here Uh, they had some of their guys back Although this game started weird too because uh on the kickoff there were
93:08four penalties all offsetting Two players got tossed from that one of them was brian thomas jr.
93:14Not that brian thomas jr. You guys might not know the the jackson jaguars employed two players named brian thomas jr.
93:20Brian with a y Brian the same number of catches in this game though Well, that's part of the goal line bs.
93:26I'm jumping all over the place here too But brian thomas jr should have had a touchdown catch But he catches a
93:33touchdown in college where he only gets one damn foot down I cannot believe he did not drag that second foot when
93:39he was good outrageous stuff Yes, well Maybe in his rookie year he drags that I don't know what to say But
93:46this game will truly break your brain for a variety of different reasons.
93:50It was utter chaos utter chaos Matt my favorite sequence for jacksonville they had a delay of game before the brian thomas
93:56jr can't get his Foot in and then they have another delay of game right after that I mean i'm surprised liam
94:03cohen didn't make everybody just start doing wind sprints at that point It was also a bad snap for the mixed extra
94:09point But I will say the eagles I think kind of botched this Themselves uh even before Their field goal attempt They
94:16throw a pass to makai lemon who runs out of bounds instead of staying in bounds And that's the reason why jacksonville
94:22was able to get the ball back if he stays in bounds They kick that field goal with no time remaining Uh,
94:29and then I would also say that when they do kick the um The the the kickoff That ball gets caught at
94:35the 10 yard line only yeah, and that was I got a full full steam ahead And he was gone and then
94:42obviously he gets lucky to be, you know down with one seconds left Uh, but I thought you know the eagles they
94:48should have kicked the ball But a little bit deeper Uh, then you know catching the ball at the 10 yard line
94:55and also Makai lemon did make that mistake of getting uh out of bounds uh on the the sequence before Seems like
95:01jake elliott was told to kick the ball in bounds Uh, so it can be returned like nick searani said this was all on me Is that fair?
95:09Yeah, well, they're a dumb team and you're the head coach.
95:13It's definitely on you pal. Uh, the eagles The eagles are at this staff from our producer jb shout out to jb
95:19who's an eagles fan So i'm sure he really loved typing this uh eagles are averaging 4.6 points per game in the
95:26second half of games this season I mean they're they're pathetic dude, it's it's so bad the game and this This goes
95:32back to your point josh Nick sirianni is He's been an offensive coach that is like tried to offshoot most of the
95:39offense Maybe but medals in that way. It's hard to say But also he's kind of the ceo head coach the culture
95:45guy and this team is is so poorly managed in these situations They're incredibly stupid.
95:49Uh, so yeah, I mean I don't know where this team goes from here because they were they were competitive and they
95:56fought in this one They also have the the most bizarre looking offensive line You're ever going to see in your life
96:02right now because they have the tiniest dudes on the interior and then massive tackles with bell uh And markel bell and jordan my lotta.
96:10So I don't know a lot of weird stuff going on with the eagles.
96:14Darius cooper gets the big play At the wide receiver position if you were hunting for wicks or lemon or any of
96:21those guys Their offensive line room is basically the derrick henry and mark ingram meme over and over and over again Just one guy huge.
96:28Oh, yeah One guy is small. Yeah, I mean the eagles offense heading into this game I think was close to last
96:34in terms of the three and out rate and then they went three and out three more or five more times In
96:41this game, um Matt we we might not get Saquon barkley next week Um, or for the next game I'm reading damian
96:47pierce 11 carries will shipley five carries. Did you glean anything from this now?
96:52That's noted that you know, they average 1.3 and 1.2 yards per carry a piece Yeah, will shipley punched in a touchdown
96:58and then I think had a foot injury and he was ruled out with the rest of the for the rest of
97:05the game so God it is It's just so bleak.
97:07They're also leaving an active roster spot for lane johnson for the entire season That's that's great.
97:13Obviously really respectful for a franchise legend But I guess we're just going to roll with 52 players For the rest of
97:19the year It feels like they should they actually could probably use 54 players not 52 My theory on sirianni is like
97:26some of these decisions like he knows how he's going to fire him like might as well hit cabo in october In
97:32november He's not going to be the eagle coach.
97:35Yeah, like Do you think big dom survives without sirianni?
97:38No, oh, yeah, dude. Tom as interim head coach.
97:40We've seen worse. Oh, he would love it. You saw just saturday From yes, why not big tom?
97:46Why not? One thing I did want to bring up because this was a talking point heading into the week Was uh,
97:52trevor lawrence throws the ball 39 times here, which was much higher than their average heading into this game Which was about 24.
97:59We always said if they were pushed to the limit in a game Which they really hadn't been so far this season
98:05that we would get something like that And guess what it gives us parker washington nine targets six receptions 124 yards And
98:12two scores so again in a game like they had last week against cincinnati who was horrible against tight ends and um
98:18Brinton strange gets eight or nine targets then you know, you're condensing 15 down to the running backs and the wide receivers
98:25and all that type of stuff He might not get there But then in games where they actually have to be pressed
98:31which they will throughout It's so clear that parker washington Is the top guy okay Uh, I quickly want to talk about
98:38the broncos and the chargers because I got some eyeballs on this Uh, I wish I hadn't because this was horrible football on top of it.
98:46Um The broncos win the chargers lose their own five Uh, bonix is not fixed Bonix throws 123 yards 4.6 yards per
98:52pop one touchdown Uh early on in the red zone It was hey, let's do a wheel route to jk dobbins kind
98:59of like an escort screen type thing Uh, and then let's do a further pass down the field to rj harvey both
99:05of those were totally incomplete Uh, there was another moment where bonix was basically facing a three-man rush And he just drifts
99:12directly into his left tackle And there's a sack and There's another time where he tries to scramble and then loses the
99:18ball one yard down the field And so if you ask yourself What is sean payton's influence on this team?
99:24Uh, hayden the number one influence was that little jordan humphrey Converted a third and eight on the first drive.
99:30That was the only difference that I saw in this entire game Well, and i'm also learning that jk dobbins might be
99:36a sean payton guy as well And like, you know, that's only adding so much to this offense like They if they're
99:43gonna like reach the ceiling that they they can have like it has to go through jaylen waddle at some point Like
99:49i'm i i'm always stunned They did try he had more dropsies today unfortunately.
99:53Oh, no amazing Yes He's he's gotten some dropsies So on the five targets, I think maybe at least two of them
100:00Were drops So it's not good not good. It's not good all around good Not good you in this game though because
100:06justin herbert also sucks Uh, he throws for 121 yards one touchdown one interception Uh, no patrick sartan.
100:12I don't think riley moss played either one of the worst interceptions you're going to see all week where there's a flat
100:18defender And justin herbert throws it directly in him Directly between his numbers great placement But it's to the other team Uh,
100:25the only positive from this game is that Kamani vidal takes a touchdown 42 yards He gets to the edge Breaks a
100:31few tackles And he's off to the races So Legitimately that is something that a martin hampton has not done in You
100:38know eight months Uh keaton mitchell I'm not gonna say breaks a lot of tackles.
100:42He is what he is He's fast to the sideline and that's about it So matt, I do wonder at some point
100:49if we get to the kamani vidal is the answer between Amar and hampton versus keaton mitchell Yeah, I had one of
100:55my buddies text me today I think that's ghastly decisions and I probably shouldn't have been You know gallivanting around europe during
101:02the offseason Maybe should have been locked in on the new offense I don't know something to something to talk about there
101:08But they they also have just a true preseason roster out there at the offensive line And then all of the receivers
101:15are injured even trey harris coming in this game as the number one like Oh, let's see what he's got.
101:21He gets hurt in here theo weiss You know mvs.
101:24Who's always the it's again. It's not mvs's fault But he's always the target on these disgusting interceptions for justin herbert.
101:30So Yeah, it's just it's all bad in los angeles right now Yeah, hayden your namesake gets the touchdown uh Hayden Rucci
101:36He didn't rucci Oh, this is news to me Hell yeah, hell yeah.
101:40That's a big guy right there Yeah, um But so this tweet says that lad mcdonkey was actually yeah, I mean he
101:47i don't think he had a helmet He he just wore shoulder pads and looked like he was uh One of the
101:53injured players in high school football, but just wanted to you know show off his jersey number.
101:58That's it Jim harbaugh by the way every time the media talks to him He's just like he's more and more clueless about what's going on here.
102:06So yeah, it's it's over for these guys For a guy that like had shown so much fire During his time as
102:13an nfl coach both the 49ers and the chargers Uh, he just seems super annoyed whenever his team comes off the field
102:19and all these mistakes like there's very little energy Exuding from a guy that has been all energy during his entire tenure.
102:26Okay, we'll close by just asking the questions of the new york jets and the cleveland browns I'm actually looking forward to
102:32going back and Going through this game because we get braillen allen for 116 and a score we get garrett wilson for
102:39seven for 104 And a touchdown we get denzel boston with an awesome 29 yard touchdown post down the field Um, unfortunately
102:45isaiah bond is the one with three catches for 74 yards and I also saw that quinchon judkins left With a walking
102:52boot after just going 14 carries for 44 yards hate Yeah, also Unfortunately, you're gonna have to fast forward through the first
102:58couple plays casey concepcion got absolutely obliterated by Minka fitzpatrick for like obvious concussion like that was that was I thought you
103:05know borderline Dirty ball because they were they're kind of like bickering before that play on top of that so Truly hate
103:11to see that and then with the quinchon. We just don't know There's there's a lot of like, you know, like precautionary
103:18boots, but you know, you don't like to see the boot Uh on a player coming back from injury already So this
103:24game was supposed to be pretty rainy and stuff.
103:27I didn't see too much of it But the guys that we needed to to score fantasy points mostly did At one
103:33point I did see a true puddle on the field So it was definitely rainy conditions, but denzel boston is is awesome
103:40Isaiah bond is not awesome He left a lot of plays on the field even though he had a couple of uh
103:46ones here But yeah, denzel boston just a true stud his touchdown was pretty sweet All right That does it If you
103:53all want to see matt talk about marvin harrison jr 99 more times this week You can do it on his feed
103:59That's the yahoo fantasy channel feed my god It's probably all the feeds all the shows Probably on football 301 this week
104:06as well and stats versus film that we have On tuesday, but before then it's myself and joel smith after monday night
104:12football With your waiver wire So lock in hit subscribe.
104:15Thanks to Everyone in the back in colin and weaves and Everyone else helping out with this episode colin that's a Long
104:22story It's a long story All right, thank you all for watching And to jb as well Up the bell everyone talk to you guys soon.
104:29See ya

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