0:00Another Week in the Books. I know you all went undefeated because you watch this channel and you watch Matt Harmon over
0:06on the Yahoo Fantasy forecast as well. We went undefeated, but the NFL didn't, certainly at large.
0:12We had some, I mean, major, major coaching moments to go through and maybe most importantly, some breakthrough offenses that we rightfully
0:18doubted over the first three or four weeks of the season got back on track.
0:22This is your game by game recap show brought to you by Farmers Insurance and Hayden.
0:27Let's start off with one of those teams. The defending AFC champion New England Patriots post 45 points on the Las Vegas
0:34Raiders when 45 17 headliner Drake Maye four touchdown passes Kyle Williams one Demario Douglas to are we all the way back?
0:40This felt like last year's Drake may offense where everything was down the football field.
0:45There's a lot of sideline plays in this one, but ultimately Drake may had a hundred percentile total EPA.
0:50His 22 percentage points over expectation on his completions were in the 99th percentile on plays without play action RPO or screen
0:57just like normal football plus one EPA per play after the game.
1:00Drake made so that he could eat a quote ham sandwich.
1:04Cause he had so much time out there with protection.
1:06What was interesting about the protection was will Campbell leaves this game in the second quarter with a knee injury.
1:12Remember they drafted Caleb Lomu not to directly replace him, but kind of have be like another kind of swing top tackle option.
1:19He goes in there at left tackle. And I think plays really outstanding.
1:23But a lot of this stuff from the last year's team.
1:26Speaker 1. Romeo Dobbs is in kind of like this case on booty role where he is winning down the football field
1:33Kyle Williams not a full time player but playing a little bit more stutter go stutter go touchdown post where he throws
1:39up the mailbox for an explosive both of those are against man coverage.
1:43It's at the classic Kyle Williams by the way Kyle.
1:46Speaker 1. In his post game press conferences refers to himself as Kyle in the third person as well.
1:52Pop right. Speaker 1. Well yeah, I mean it's what you want to see.
1:56Yeah, he press man coverage from the line really fast calls and calls himself Kyle.
2:00We're on the right track here, but this offense felt a little bit better without like Mac Collins.
2:06Like all of a sudden when you can have some explosive, there's a lot more speed on the field.
2:11Everything just kind of felt a little bit better.
2:14So that long story short. Pass protection was awesome.
2:16Drake may bought some time when he needed to but really it was just kind of the normal drop back stuff was working and everything really was downfield.
2:25I said this week on the forecast that I was 100% open to some, you know, Ewing theory with Mac Collins with this offense.
2:32And I mean, that sounds mean it sounds disrespectful, but yeah, like we got a lot faster players and Kyle Williams by
2:38the way only ran in 14 routes in this game was actually F.
2:42And Chisholm who had another sick catch. I saw today.
2:45He was actually the number two receiver might have some F.
2:48And Chisholm charting on the docket this week. So it certainly did hate and feel like a different Patriots offense.
2:54That's for sure. Matt. I'm just going to go by first names here.
2:58If Kyle did this, well, why hasn't, you know, Hayden?
3:01Why hasn't Josh or Mike played Kyle more? Because you and I think Kyle is a very good wide receiver in terms
3:08of lining up on the ball downfield routes. Like he ran at Washington state, uh, his releases off the line.
3:13We've seen it in preseason. We saw it during training camp.
3:17And yet until they're basically forced without AJ Brown and without Mac Collins, he's not yet out there on the field.
3:23So Hayden, did we get any word that we can actually like utilize our chips that are on the table?
3:29Our stock that we've invested in over the previous years and Kyle Williams moving forward.
3:33No, this is just kind of for fun. I would say, I mean, he ran 19 routes on 45 dropbacks.
3:39I mean, unfortunately you just got to play more snaps than that.
3:43There's probably like other reasons why Kyle Williams hasn't been on the field.
3:47I will say that there's other times where Kyle Williams, like his size just comes into play.
3:52He's not a full, uh, route, uh, player yet in my opinion, but if you're going to play press me on coverage
3:58and you're going to leave them in one-on-one situations and his little stutter step works at the line, it's going to be an explosive.
4:05And we've seen this way too often. That's what he was at Washington state.
4:09So I don't think like a full breakout is coming.
4:12I would just say quickly on the Drake may stuff.
4:15His average depth of target was almost 12 yards down the field 3.3 seconds time to throw.
4:20That was not the 3.3 seconds. Like, you know, with like a Caleb Williams or really close where he's like consistently buying time.
4:27He was just kind of sitting in the middle of the pocket, bouncing, bouncing, bouncing and throwing the ball over the middle.
4:34There was a couple of times where he did step up through the ball to remander Stevenson next play quarterback power touchdown to the left side as well.
4:42It's like they were doing a little bit of fun stuff here, but I can't say that this was like all of
4:48a sudden Josh McDaniels like in his bag to me is that the players played better.
4:53And sometimes I hate being as simple as that, but I think the receivers, the past protection and Drake may himself all just played better.
5:00I'm also looking at the box score Hayden or Mondrian Stevenson 13 carries and add three receptions onto that.
5:06You know, 85 total yards with a touchdown. Meanwhile, Trevion four carries 22 yards one catch 16 yards.
5:11Was it that big of a split or did something happen here?
5:15Yeah, Trevion got gets rolled up on. He was I think it was like on a jet sweeper.
5:20I know that played towards the sideline gets rolled up an ankle injury.
5:24That was in the second quarter. Corey Kiner comes in and fumbles the ball in relief of Trevion Henderson and then reminder
5:31Stevenson pretty much plays the rest of the game until it is garbage time.
5:35So I don't know the severity of the Trevion Henderson ankle injury, but this is like another reminder.
5:40If Ramond is going to be out there for that many snaps, he's definitely going to be a fantasy running back to here.
5:47So the ground game, I thought was like a little bit better in this one.
5:51You just didn't see anything from the Raiders defensive line, which is kind of surprising with obviously with Max Crosby over there.
5:58Yeah, just on that real quick, you know, this Raiders defense has probably played better than the sum of their parts or their individual parts.
6:05So far this season, like Rod Leonard has been getting a whole bunch of love.
6:10And then you have a game like this where the team just goes nuclear against them.
6:14I'll add Harmon, like the entire conversation of the opening three weeks of the season, which by the way, the Patriots played
6:21the Seahawks in the Jaguars defenses along with the Steelers who are quite good defensively too, was all about how this offense
6:27has taken a step back and individually and watch the plays.
6:31You could say that about Drake, man. It looked, it looked a bit static and up to no good.
6:36But here they've beaten the Bills. They've beaten the Raiders in two of their next three games.
6:41It's the Jets and the Dolphins on top of this.
6:44Like they hit the schedule last week. We're kind of hitting a nice part of the schedule here this season for the Patriots too.
6:51Yeah, I know the schedule is a little bit of a trigger word with this Patriots situation here, but I do think
6:58and my theory on this offense is just and it's not just the players, but it's more so the structure of it
7:04to your point, Josh, about how kind of staffed.
7:07Static and straightforward. It can be nothing is just you watch it's bogus or it's bad.
7:12It's just it's pretty straightforward. It's pretty vanilla sounds too harsh, but it just is what it is.
7:17It's a static old school offense. It's kind of a bad team beater, especially when you don't have like needle moving talent at every single position.
7:25So I think it probably will follow that trend pretty cleanly here, which means that if you do have Drake may if
7:31you have some of these pass catchers, I think you can ratchet your expectations up a little bit these next few weeks.
7:38The schedule is softer. Hey, I want to send it over to that other team.
7:42The Raiders just 17 points here. They're also now three and two on the season.
7:46Brock Bowers goes off 10 targets, eight receptions, 110 yards and a touchdown.
7:50We know the Patriots are without their what top two corners.
7:54But after that, there's a whole bunch of nothing.
7:56I mean, Ashton Jinty 27 yards on 10 carries does as 50 yards on three receptions.
8:01That's Cody White for two for 44 and Dylan Lowby for four carries for nine yards.
8:06I will say the Patriots top two corners being out definitely did help Brock Bowers because he was facing corners for a
8:12lot of that game and he was dunking on them like Marcus Jones, what half Brock Bowers height.
8:17So that didn't go well. His big first play that made him the second fastest tight end in NFL history to get
8:24to 2000 yards only trailing the late Mike Ditka there.
8:27And then right after that, another dunking grab this time for a touchdown.
8:31He had a little fumble late in the game yards after catch wise.
8:35But for the entire game, he was he was uncoverable.
8:38And I do think that we're getting to the point with how he's being utilized, how good he is and how big
8:44of a step down it is to everybody else.
8:47He's going to face the top corner on the team like that's just what's going to happen moving forward.
8:52The Patriots were going to do that and things would have looked probably a lot different if it's Christian Gonzalez instead of like Marcus Jones and these guys.
9:01But I think that's like the point we've gotten we've gotten with Brock Bowers, which is awesome for fantasy purposes, because like
9:07you have to be that good and that productive to like get that treatment.
9:11But be ready for when we talk about him on podcast, like who is the top corner because that's who he's going to be facing and rightfully so.
9:19That's always easier said than done, though, especially when it's a guy that moves around like this with Brock Bowers, like a
9:26team, you know, week six, Christian Benford and the Buffalo Bills.
9:29Like they're not going to break their defensive rule and their defense hasn't been very good this season either way.
9:35But like Christian Benford, easier said than done to like break all of your defensive rules to have that guy track Brock Bowers around the field.
9:43It probably would have been different today because the Patriots are one of those teams that will just allow Gonzalez to travel.
9:49But even like Rams in week seven, Trent McDuffie maybe could do that because he's he's has a lot of experience kicking inside.
9:56So that's one to flag there. But like Jets Niners week eight, week nine, it's definitely going to be easier said than done.
10:03That's the advantage of having a guy like Bowers, who's still even in this game is about what, like 19, 20 percent snaps in line.
10:10That at least matters a little bit there. But yeah, I mean, at this point, he's just completely he's completely uncoverable.
10:17I echo pretty much everything Hayden said there. Hey, it's time for our weekly Ashton Gentry check in.
10:22He is the running back 21 at the moment right now.
10:25You play 53 percent of the snaps in the first half of the game.
10:29He had a couple of broken tackles on receptions later in the game.
10:33Unfortunately, that's just enough to get Dylan Lauby in for the touchdown at the goal line.
10:38And so, you know, it's ankle injuries. It's the foot injury after the game to be out because usually pretty coy with what he was saying.
10:45He's like, yeah, Ashton Gentry is like he's playing through injuries like he's very tough.
10:50It's awesome that he's out there for us. But, you know, they're acknowledging the situation with Ashton Gentry.
10:55He is not the same player that he is.
10:58I think that he can break tackles in the open field like he's a difficult tackle for like defensive backs because he's so thick.
11:05I can't say that he's like extremely fast or any of that.
11:09And there were just some issues up front on the offensive line.
11:12Once again, they're better up front. Obviously, Clint Kubiak is such an upgrade.
11:16There are certainly still issues here going on. And one of those issues issues was Dylan Lauby was playing a lot of
11:22the snaps in this one, even ahead of Mike Washington.
11:25So I don't know the latest on why Mike Washington wasn't playing.
11:29But Dylan Lauby was out playing in terms of snaps.
11:32Mike Washington in this one, I would guess that just trust past protection related there.
11:36But that is just this can't be a three kind of three way backfield.
11:40That would be pretty hard for Ashton Gentry to be a fantasy RB one.
11:45We saw Fernando Mendoza for a little bit in this game.
11:48Any thoughts on what we saw there? The Kirk Cousins of it all?
11:52Not really. I mean, Mendoza comes in the game really late.
11:55He had a couple of plays over the middle.
11:58Scrambles around on the fourth down. Gets kind of stopped down there.
12:01It was only eight plays for Fernando Mendoza. I thought Kirk Cousins was doing all right.
12:06They just don't have enough wide receivers. That's where I initially when we got the Marvin Harrison news.
12:11And there was the mystery team for the 20 minutes.
12:14I was like, the Raiders could use a little Marvin Harrison.
12:17And obviously he's going to go to the Texans that we know.
12:21But there's a reason why. I wasn't the only one talking about the Raiders as a fit there.
12:26Cody White and these guys are making plays here and there.
12:29But they really do need somebody else. Yeah. Yeah.
12:32We'll talk more about the Marv deal as we go along here.
12:36Because there's a lot to speak on that we learned actually during the Cardinals game that the broadcast brought up here.
12:42Yeah. I mean, the Raiders open 3-0. They're 0-2 against the Chiefs and the Patriots.
12:46And now they have the Bills and the Rams in back-to-back weeks.
12:50I mean, the number one thing here is when you spend that high of a draft pick on Ashton Gentry, you can't
12:56have a long carry for four yards. You know, even if he has a long catch of 31.
13:02Okay. We open with the reigning AFC champion. Matt, that means we need to go over to the NFC champion and actually
13:08Super Bowl defenders as they lose here at home.
13:1132-29. A narrow call against Cooper Cup at the end to continue on that drive.
13:15But they stuck with it on the field. And Matt, I believe I read that there were seven combined turnovers in this game.
13:22The most total turnovers in any game so far this season.
13:25That feels very un-49ers and Seahawks-like. This game was wild.
13:28It was one of the best games of the season so far because it was so crazy.
13:33And also some superstars like the guy we're showing on the screen here, Mike Evans, just absolutely showed up today.
13:39But yeah, this game had it all. We had turnovers, as you mentioned.
13:43The broadcast pointed this out. So before the third quarter, it was over 38 points off seven turnovers in this game that was the most since 2017.
13:51So not only were there all these turnovers, two Darnold interceptions, a Purdy interception.
13:55George Alani lost two fumbles. He fumbled twice. He lost one of them.
13:59Emmanuel Wilson fumbled. Jacob Cowan fumbled. Debo Samuel lost a fumble where he also popped his hammy and was done for the day.
14:06Cowan also got hurt too. So it had injuries.
14:08It had fumbles. Dre Greenlaw got kicked from the game for getting into it with the Seahawks here.
14:14So and yeah, again, it also had these big time players like Mike Evans show up just real quick before we also
14:20had that Cooper Cup fourth down Jackson Smith and Jigba.
14:23Yeah, is it a drop? It's a really, really tough catch on third and 10 where he's got to track it over
14:30his shoulder and he's got to kind of cradle catch it, basket catch it.
14:34He ultimately doesn't make the play, which was stunning because otherwise this was a great game for him, five catches, 102 yards and a touchdown.
14:41His touchdown, I freeze framed it and put it out on Twitter.
14:45I was like, this guy's going to score on this play because it does not look like that from the angle.
14:51I mean, he was unbelievable in this game, but ultimately every receiver is going to have drops and they're going to have missed opportunities.
14:58He had one at the worst time. But yeah, it was a crazy game with all of these turnovers.
15:04George Kittle didn't have his first catch until about 40 seconds left in the game and I believe dropped his first pass as well.
15:11But this was a Mike Evans story here, man.
15:13He was awesome for the San Francisco 49ers and he was running clean routes.
15:18He was giving Brock Purdy a massive strike zone on these in breakers where Purdy is so aggressive and so willing to throw with a lot of anticipation.
15:26And again, Mike with just 98th percentile arms, 97th percentile height, weight, the whole deal at the wide receiver position.
15:32Like he's going to be bigger and longer than everybody until he decides to stop playing and he doesn't look like he's
15:38any close to stop playing right now. So definitely like again, a lot of storylines here, but the big one was Mike
15:45Evans, probably not 100% healthy, dominates for this team.
15:47And the Debo's injury seems like that's going to be long term.
15:51So like at this point, it's going to be Mike Evans and Kittle only.
15:55So I kind of fear sometimes like with Mike Evans, like we draft him what like the wide receiver 25 and redraft.
16:02I think we're like, you know, we're pretty tied to that.
16:05But you know, whenever he's out there and actually healthy, I feel like we should be getting like a lot closer to
16:11like wide receiver 12, especially moving forward after he had this kind of breakout performance.
16:16I'm sure you guys said the same thing. I know I said this a lot.
16:20Like he's going to be ranked as wide receiver 25, but there's no way he's going to finish his wide receiver 25 on any given week.
16:28He's either going to finish his wide receiver 10 or 12 or wide receiver 40 because he got injured after five plays or something like that.
16:36But yeah, no, I mean, he's so critical to this offense right now because again, Debo and Cowling both got hurt, didn't return.
16:42Brandon Cooks actually showed up here late in this one.
16:45He had a touchdown that he had a touchdown that Mike McDonald called a timeout.
16:50And so then they had to redo the play and he catches the touchdown again anyways on a, like the same play
16:56design, but he had to break it off for a scramble with Brock Purdy there.
17:01And I mean, I kind of feel like they're going to need Brandon Cooks at this point.
17:06So yes. In other words, they need Mike Evans to stay healthy.
17:09Can't we do the waiver wire tomorrow night with Joel and talk about Brandon Cooks?
17:14And we just fits in with the entire conversation that we've had in the opening four weeks of the season.
17:20Yeah. Harmon. I've talked about Mike Evans prior to the season where man, you know, I wish we got a 28 year
17:26old Evans with Kyle Shanahan instead of a 33 year old with, you know, the quad, the groin, the hamstrings, all this type of stuff.
17:33But so far it doesn't matter. And look, we're only five weeks in, but you know, he went six for 49 and one in the opener.
17:41Then we get to week three. He goes three catches, 34 yards and a touchdown last week, five receptions, 76 yards.
17:47And then here seven catches, 113 and one. So obviously you're starting every single week in your lineups, but Matt, we are
17:54at this point now where we have seen crazier things than someone of Mike Evans ability play for 17 games.
18:00When all of us sat back and said, Hey, Mike Evans, isn't going to play for 17 games.
18:05Now again, there's 12 more to go. It's a long, long season left.
18:09But if, if he does play 17, then he is just a different styling of wide receiver.
18:14That's ever been paired with Brock Purdy. And you, we see it on almost a weekly basis right now, just the goal
18:20line red zone, throw it up to him. And like you said, just be bigger than his opponent.
18:26And, you know, Kaushin is an awesome play designer.
18:28That's probably the easiest play call that he has in his sheet.
18:32Yeah, absolutely. And Brady pointed this out at one point, obviously he played with Mike Evans, but Mike is also such a
18:38good route runner in addition to the size that he can do things where again, Brady was talking about how he doesn't
18:45usually like his receivers to take what's ultimately going to be an in breaker and outside release it because you lose the
18:51leverage at the top of the route. But with how good from a timing perspective, Mike Evans is.
18:57And again, 98th percentile arms, just bigger than everybody else.
19:00It really doesn't matter here. So yeah, as long as he stays healthy, he's a, he's easily a wide receiver one.
19:06It's just, again, how long is he going to play?
19:09Is he going to be available for all 17 weeks?
19:12Matt, just watching both sides of the ball with the Niners here, this, this defense has made more plays than what they
19:18should be given how injured they have been up front.
19:21They're five and oh, they'd be, you know, the two best teams on paper heading into the season.
19:27Like, are we not giving the four Niners enough credit as like having maybe an argument to be the best team in the NFL right now?
19:34I'm open to it. The offense statistically in the metrics that I like to look at is the best offense in the NFL coming into this week.
19:42I'm sure that's not going to change after this one.
19:45And the defense, I would say, I guess it's probably, it's probably feisty is the way I would, I would say it.
19:52They were opportunistic in this one. They got a lot of turnovers as mentioned, the Seahawks running backs were just like taking
19:58turns, making mistakes and, you know, putting out sloppy tape in this one for sure.
20:03Emmanuel Wilson and George Solani. So I don't know how much of that credit to give to the Niners defense versus, you
20:09know, the, these guys in Seattle making mistakes, but yeah, I think they're feisty.
20:13They're opportunistic, but they're not like a lockdown defense by any means.
20:17You can definitely get this unit at different levels of the field.
20:20Anything else you want to say about Seattle's offense here?
20:23Again, I mean, Emmanuel Wilson in the absence of Jadarian price and while waiting for Zach Charbonne to come back, even if
20:30he fumbles and, you know, you mentioned Helani had to, so it's not like he was going up against a star student
20:36opposite of him, but 20 carries just for 3.1 yards per pot.
20:40But like we always talk about, if you get the 20 carries, you are most likely to get the goal line touchdown, which he did.
20:47Correct. So he's a running back to every week.
20:50I mean, he's just, he's not going to be not going to wow you, you know, in terms of yards after contact,
20:56he's not going to be absolutely insane in terms of these big, big plays, but he can break tackles.
21:02He finds the holes. He hits it. I would say from a Helani perspective, and I like some of what Helani has done.
21:09This was a Zach Charbonne fantasy stock up without playing a single snap type game.
21:13Cause that was just a really rough showing for him.
21:16Yeah, totally. And I'll add with Emmanuel Wilson, like I think in the opening three games, he only had two receptions last week.
21:23He had three receptions and then today another two.
21:26So these are just like small incremental things that continue to go in his favor.
21:30All right, we'll move on to one of the calamitous sequences and actions of the week.
21:35Giants 27 commanders 27. We're going to have two separate recaps here.
21:38Okay. First, we need to talk about the end of game sequence.
21:42Cause that is the star of the show. Obviously the giants get down to the 24 yard line.
21:47All that they need is a field goal to win because both teams have already had a possession, but the giants kicker
21:54has already missed two on the day, 50 yards and 46 yards.
21:57So Harbaugh wants to continue to chunk out as many gains as possible.
22:01So cam's Cadaboo run up the middle. He fumbles the ball.
22:04It's inexcusable on a day where he honestly did very little and Najee Harris and Tyrone both started drives and soft snaps
22:11inside the 10 yard line in this contest. So from there, the commanders get the ball one minute, 55 seconds, no timeouts
22:17on their own 24 yard line, 16 yards land immediately to the 40.
22:21That's great. Then they get 35 yards on the next three plays to get them down to the opposing 26 yard line.
22:28There's 55 seconds to go. Again, clock is a non-factor in terms of needing to drain it because the game ends.
22:34If you just kick a field goal, they just went 51 yards in one minute, but this is where the funkiness comes in.
22:41The commanders hand it off for a gain of two.
22:44They drain the clock down to 12 seconds. Again, the clock should not exist at this point.
22:49They call a drop back and Jayden Daniels does not throw away.
22:52Instead, it's like a magnet to midfield. He runs directly to the line of scrimmage, gets down and the clock runs out.
22:59So either we have three things here, either Dan Quinn didn't know that he only had two timeouts to start overtime and
23:05not three or David Blau, the offensive coordinator wasn't in Jayden's Daniels ear saying anything like throw the ball away, no matter
23:12what, or Jane Daniels is at fault and totally lack game awareness in a moment.
23:16We're just a throwaway sets them up for a game winning field goal or Hayden.
23:21All three are possibilities here. Truly one of the stupidest sequences we've seen from two teams in the league and especially for
23:27the commanders that leave with a tie instead of a win in a game that they dominated for the first three quarters.
23:34I'm sure coaches can communicate more, but looking at the actual play that was called, they slid the entire offensive line to
23:40the right, which is like kind of a designed play to the left to throw the ball away.
23:45And Jayden Daniels just runs up and slides. And then Jayden Daniels awareness after sliding.
23:50There was also no sense of urgency after that.
23:52And to me, that's where I'm like, look, we can yell out the coaches.
23:57It's very easy. I Dan Quinn, yada, yada, yada.
23:59But I mean, if you're at the star quarterback, you should know how many timeouts you have before the drive starts, how the drives unfolding.
24:07And to me, just looking at the play call, that's a classic situation.
24:10You roll out to the left, you have a couple seconds, and then you throw the ball for either more yards out
24:17of bounds, or you just throw the ball away and then you kick up the field goal.
24:22So to me, that's who's at fault. It's Jayden Daniels.
24:25I think you can obviously communicate more, but I mean, this is the play call looks like it's supposed to be a throwaway.
24:32Yeah, Matt, just real quick. I want to propose two quotes here, one from Jane Daniels and one from another offensive player starting offensive lineman in the huddle.
24:40Okay, Jane Daniels was asked about the sequence after the game.
24:43He said, quote, we've got to relay that as an offense.
24:46It starts with everyone top down. Ultimately, it's on me.
24:49Then Chris Paul, again, starting offensive lineman for this team.
24:52Did the commander's offense know they didn't have any timeouts left in the final drive overtime?
24:57He said, yes, that was talked about in the huddle.
25:00Your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I also saw Dan Quinn and look, you could be mad at yourself, obviously take his headset, smash it on the ground too.
25:08Frustrated with what happened on the field. Yeah, this was just a brain fart moment, I guess, for the quarterback when you probably can't or somebody.
25:16Somebody had a brain fart moment when you can't have one.
25:19So, I mean, one way or another, what an obnoxious way to ultimately lose that game.
25:24Because, yeah, I think from what I saw in this game, which wasn't much, Josh, it did feel like the commanders were the better team at times.
25:32Yeah, I will add, if your head coach doesn't call plays, you have to be like perfect in in-game situation.
25:38Yes. And Dan Quinn does not call plays. I mean, come on.
25:41And, you know, Harbaugh also doesn't call plays. So this is kind of like them pointing at each other for how this game ended.
25:49Okay. So the actual game here. The commanders, like I mentioned, were the dominant team for three quarters.
25:54They were up 27 to 13 after like the first drive of the fourth quarter.
25:58We all wanted to see what Jane Daniels looked like coming off of a dislocated elbow once again while he scrambled on
26:05the second snap and was an incredible scrambler all day.
26:08He was very decisive directly up the middle instead of like these scrambles that we see stringing it along to the outside.
26:14That gave him a 38-yard touchdown up the middle, a 26-yard touchdown up the middle.
26:19Even Bill Krosky-Merrick kicked it off with a 33-yard touchdown on the opening drive.
26:23By the way, that ends an 18-game streak with no opening drive touchdown for the commanders.
26:28That streak is finally broken here. Chico Kwankwo was featured early.
26:3112 yards, 25-yard gain, another nice chunk in a split flow action.
26:34Unfortunately, who entered this game with an injury was Terry McLaurin, played only 36 of 62 snaps.
26:39But really, in the end for this commander's offense, Matt, it got to a point where in the fourth quarter they had no answer for a zero blitz.
26:48And basically went three and out for the final three drives in the fourth quarter as the Giants were trying to work their way back into it.
26:56And the Giants kept spamming that over and over and over again.
26:59And then finally, their sequence was, oh, we're going to throw a screen to Deami Brown.
27:04And of course, Matt, he fumbles it. Yeah, what a shock there.
27:07It felt like a lot of Terry. You can tell me if I'm wrong.
27:12It felt like a lot of Terry's production came late in the, yeah, we wanted you to be limited, but we got to win this game right now.
27:20Okay, so let's get out there. He's ultimately the leading receiver.
27:23This team just doesn't have a lot. You know, they don't have a lot, especially when Diggs is not playing.
27:29I like Antonio Williams, but he's a rookie receiver.
27:32And then these other guys like Brown and Traylon Burks.
27:35I know Burks had a couple, like at least one decent catch I saw on this one.
27:40But yeah, ultimately, like these guys are their role players who shouldn't be featured pieces.
27:44Yeah. The big takeaway was just Jane Daniel is fast.
27:47I mean, they tried to spy him with two of the most athletic linebackers in the league, and he just totally outran them.
27:54Tremaine Edmonds was truly a spy. He works his way with his eyes to the right side and then takes off to the left.
28:01And then Tremaine Edmonds can't catch him on that 38 yarder.
28:04And then the 26 yarder was Arville Reese doing the exact same thing.
28:08And I mean, Jane Daniels is back in that regard.
28:11And I actually think as a thrower, he looked quite good when, you know, he was given time and threw down the field.
28:18Hayden on the opposite side, as for the Giants, maybe this is my evaluation speaking.
28:22I thought James Winston was terrible for three quarters, but then they played really quick in the fourth quarter and hit on
28:29big third and fourth downs against a lot of zero blitz looks.
28:32And that's when they scored a whole bunch of points, including 14.
28:36Now they ran 84 plays, but I want to point out that Malik neighbors had 20 targets in this game for 11
28:42receptions and 121 yards in a score. And Isaiah likely had 13 targets, 11 for 94 and two touchdowns.
28:48I will also add that Malik neighbors day could have been even better.
28:52He before half had a touchdown versus zero blitz that went off his fingertips.
28:56He had another go off his hands in the end zone on in the fourth quarter with zero touch on it.
29:02But Hayden, it was great to see him back to this level.
29:06And despite all the quotes that we get leading up to games, he played 79 of 89 snaps today.
29:11Yeah. Yeah. James can play bad and Malik neighbors and likely can go crazy if they're going to get 37 and 24%
29:18of the targets and the Giants defense. Like they're better than they were last year.
29:22They're not way better than last year. That to me, that secondary is still always going to struggle with no Brian Burns and Jameis.
29:29Like, you know, even when he's playing bad, he's still going to give his guys opportunities.
29:34And they're just not going to design anything for Malik, I fields, Theo Johnson, the running backs aren't catching passes.
29:40So it's kind of one where like, I need to like almost stop watching the Jameis Winston tape and just trusting that
29:46the box score production is going to be there for these guys.
29:50Because I was a little bit nervous. I'm like neighbors going into this game, really rainy conditions that he wasn't going to have his usual day.
29:58And then, you know, the Giants kind of get into this carnival game and that's all for not.
30:03It feels like if you have Malik neighbors on your fantasy team, you need to just do two things.
30:08Don't watch the tape on Jameis Winston. If you're a tape grinder and to just maybe mute Malik neighbors on Twitter.
30:15Like you don't need to hear his updates going into the game about how he's feeling worse or whatever.
30:20Because I mean, listen, he's an honest guy. I appreciate it.
30:24But yeah, if you can't handle that, it just like it is what it is because he gets out there and he's been balling these last two weeks.
30:32I still don't think he looks 100%, which I mean, again, 85 or whatever he is.
30:37Percent of Malik neighbors is better than a hell of a lot of other receivers out there.
30:42Yeah. I'll also add there were some weird sequences here in that.
30:45JJ McCarthy played four snaps and every single time he came in, it was some type of a jet sweep action slash zone read in the opposite direction.
30:53They were basically giving him design carries that I guess were part of the playbook with Jackson dart.
30:59And none of them worked. I mean, they look, they look so stupid.
31:03I saw, I saw, they looked, they, it was the stupidest four snaps ever.
31:07I don't know why they did this. This goes back to, I think some coaching malpractice from the giants.
31:12And there was even this one weird sequence where it was second and four from the five yard line.
31:18So nearly second and goal. And they do one of these stupid plays from JJ McCarthy on second down.
31:24And then, so they have to jog him off and Jamis onto the field for third and four.
31:29That exchange happened so slowly that they take a delay of game.
31:32So that sets them up on third and nine.
31:35And then Jamis throws a horrific goal line interception.
31:38That is thankfully called back to, I think a ticky tack defensive pass interference penalty.
31:42So this is not a situation that I think the giants are good.
31:46The giants still have their issues. And I would even go to cam scatter boot to who did play the majority of
31:52snaps, but this is not even close. Like a bell cow roll.
31:56Because again, I'll reiterate that Najee Harris and Tyron Tracy both started some drives and also got snaps inside the 10 yard line.
32:03Again, I'm not expecting to play 84 total snaps, but he did.
32:06I think he played every overtime snap and then got four of his 13 carries in overtime.
32:11But again, the last one equal to fumble. Yeah.
32:14On scatter, he's just not catching nearly as many passes.
32:17Like last, last season, he was on pace to finish top five or so in running back receptions.
32:22And this year is just not adding up. So I think he's getting very hard to trust.
32:27He's, he's definitely more of a flex play than an RB two at this point.
32:32And you know, like it can always get worse if they decide the fumbles and his explosive lack of explosiveness isn't, isn't enough.
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32:53Matt, we led the show talking about some offenses that might need fixing.
32:57Well, the green Bay Packers 31 points in week five as they demolish the Chicago bears who are winning with backup quarterbacks.
33:03Not anymore. 31 to seven here. And I see Jordan love three 67, two scores.
33:07I see Christian Watson, one 43, two scores. I see Matthew golden six for one 23.
33:12Now to see Marshawn Lloyd with two touchdowns to talk to me.
33:16Yeah. I'm actually going to start with Marshawn Lloyd just real quick because Kevin Zeitler got his first start in this one at right guard.
33:23They have plugged in these true bandaid fixes along the offensive line.
33:27And I'm not going to say that it's great, but I'm definitely going to say that it's better than what we were getting.
33:33You see 10 carries for 31 yards for Marshawn Lloyd.
33:36That doesn't really tell the story. I think he actually had a couple of nice runs in this one, including on his
33:43touchdown where he showed some patience and some power and physicality to get into the end zone, which was a nice welcome development for Marshawn Lloyd.
33:51Cause I wouldn't say that patience or power have ever really been a part of his game.
33:56And that was on his first touchdown there. So yeah, the run game is at least in this one, not a complete
34:02joke, but the story is of course the passing game here.
34:05Jordan love had six completions of 25 plus yards.
34:08The most by any quarterback in a game this year.
34:11He had two completions of 50 plus yards. I mean, he was just truly launching that thing.
34:16The first one to Christian Watson on the touchdown just is up the left side.
34:20They kind of lost him in coverage, but big play to Christian Watson, Christian Watson's second touchdown.
34:25I mean, that's one of those where if you actually slow down and watch it, everybody during the scouting process is going
34:32to be like, you can't attack the football that way.
34:35You can't attack the football that way. Look at his hands all stretched out.
34:39He's going to, and then you know what? He just kind of catches it off Dylan Theanaman's back essentially there, which was a great play by Christian Watson.
34:47So two huge touchdowns for Christian Watson in this one, Matthew Golden.
34:51Also, he has his biggest explosive play where he just gets on top of Jalen Johnson immediately on a corner route.
34:57We're at the break point of the route. He does a really nice sweet move to break it to the outside.
35:03Matthew Golden also. I mean, this game, a lot of comments after the game that we can get into on both sides here.
35:10Golden. I think I saw this live. I think he might have intentionally run run onto like run over a bear staffer on the sideline.
35:17And then Cairo Santos, the bears kicker tried to trip him.
35:21So these two teams definitely hate each other, which made this game a lot of fun, both before, during and after it.
35:27But yeah, also Tucker craft gets a 46 yard catch here.
35:30This was the Jordan love like fire show that we were hoping to see this season and a little bit of, yeah,
35:37the bears defense was kind of getting away with it on some turnovers.
35:41And some kind of funkiness on the back end disruption up front.
35:44But when you can get protection, which Jordan love got some protection today, it wasn't perfect.
35:49We got some protection. He can absolutely still just launch that thing down the field.
35:54Yeah, that's what we talked about when you live and die by the deep ball.
35:58And like sometimes like they kind of three and out this thing or those are the occasional interception.
36:03But when this thing's going, like the Packers are like such a blast to watch a couple of those.
36:09Jordan love took some huge hits and because he's so big and strong, he jumps off the ground to throw some of
36:15these as well, which I absolutely love. And to me, you can make an argument.
36:20These top two wide receivers are the fastest top two wide receivers in the league.
36:24I'd have to sit there and I actually think about that.
36:27But Matthew Golden is absolutely flying. Christian Watson has always been that fast.
36:31But these guys have been beating players off the line of scrimmage at times.
36:35But also, like you said, the Christian Watson just dunking on guys as well.
36:40So I'm seeing some motion plays in the replays that I've seen, some fun stuff from the floor in this one.
36:46And then Dylan Fianneman had a pretty, pretty tough day in coverage working over the middle of the field.
36:51I thought they were kind of picking on him.
36:54Yeah, real quick on Matthew Golden. Like when he I mean, again, Jalen Johnson has been great this year.
37:00He's kind of been getting dunked on. But that was a true if he's even he's leaving moment for Matthew Golden on the big corner route there.
37:08He's playing so much faster and decisive this year.
37:10And beyond just like kind of natural year to improvement, I also think the thing that matters a lot for him.
37:17He's just in a much more clearly defined role that I think fits his skill set where last year they kind of bumped him into all different roles.
37:25And especially once Jaden Reed got hurt to kind of put him into that like slot gimmicky role, which that just is not like Golden.
37:32You want him on a straight line and just like snapping off route.
37:36So I'm buying what I'm seeing for Matthew Golden for sure.
37:39Like it's been more than enough evidence at this point.
37:42A hundred percent. I know the people that watch this channel ended up with a lot of Christian Watson and or Matthew Golden this summer.
37:50Yeah, Matt, this is such a different world that we live in with the Packers wide receivers this year where we had
37:56to deal with like five of their names over the last two years.
38:00And literally it's just two now because the next closest wide receiver was Bo Melton for three for 20.
38:06If you want to call him a wide receiver because he's been tried out at cornerback on the same roster, you know,
38:12so it's it's really these two guys and and that's it.
38:1511.8 yards per attempt for Jordan Love is outrageous stuff.
38:18His passing chart is so cool where, you know, the intermediate portion just does not exist for him.
38:24It is everything is 10 yards or lower or 25 yards and deeper.
38:27And we always just talk about him as an ambitious thrower.
38:31And that is 100% the case this week. Okay.
38:33Looking at the Bears. They have won games in the past with Case Keenum.
38:37They've won a game in the past with Tyson Bajan.
38:40Harmon, look at the box score. They can't win the game when both play.
38:45Did Bajan get benched? What happened here? Yeah, Bajan got benched late in this one.
38:49And then Case Keenum just kind of comes in for a check down show basically is the best way I can.
38:55And it was like at the beginning of the fourth quarter.
38:58And it was pretty much there were two outcomes.
39:01Once Case Keenum got onto the field, he was checking the ball down to running backs or in the flats or he was getting absolutely obliterated.
39:09And that was something that was really notable in this game.
39:12The Packers got a lot of pressure on these two quarterbacks and just like especially on Bajan.
39:17They were just blitzing the hell out of him.
39:20Jonathan Gannon, I thought, called a great game all day long.
39:23They dominated the line of scrimmage up front with these guys.
39:2624% blitz rate. So it wasn't a ton of blitzes, but they were really timing and really well timed and really effective.
39:33And then once Case Keenum came in there, it was just a complete, like I said, pressure show.
39:38He was either getting crushed in the pocket or he was checking the ball down really quickly.
39:43And I also thought, too, from a Packers defense perspective, they were just sniffing out all of the cutesy BS behind the
39:50line of scrimmage stuff with the Bears. And that was a lot of what they were doing in this one.
39:55The Khalif Raymond plays have gone from white hot in the first three weeks to some of the worst stuff that they're
40:02putting on tape these last three, especially today. Yeah, three, especially today.
40:05Like the only way they could really consistently get the ball to Luther Burden is on these like Mickey Mouse gimmicky stuff.
40:12So, yeah, honestly, the Bears just they really had nothing today.
40:15They were on the ball decently to start, but then they quickly just fell behind and kind of abandoned that.
40:21They had nothing through the air. That sounds like we're going to get Caleb Williams back next week.
40:26That's just based off of some of the quotes that I saw.
40:30Assuming we do get that back, get him back.
40:33I mean, have we learned anything with Luther Burden versus Roma Dunze versus Colson Loveland versus Khalif Raymond?
40:38Was there any reason to move off of any of our priors in this one?
40:42Because once again, nobody really stands out in this one.
40:45Colson Loveland, only five targets on all these dropbacks as well.
40:49Like, what are we supposed to do with this mess?
40:52I think I don't want to overreact too much to just like these individual game sample sizes without the quarterback here in
40:58terms of the actual potency of any individual player.
41:01But I think we've learned a few things about everybody here.
41:04It has like Luther Burden, by the way, Zyre, frankly, Zyre, Franklin laid into him after the game because Burden had a
41:10quote where he said he wanted to make those guys quit in terms of the Packers.
41:15And Zyre, Franklin was like, that guy's not made any plays in the league.
41:19He's done nothing in the league and he quit today, essentially.
41:23And, you know, frankly, like, yeah, there was a lot.
41:26There was some lifelessness from the Bears offense late in this game.
41:29I'm not going to say anybody quit, but it was again.
41:32He didn't really have any plays beyond the gimmicky stuff at this point.
41:36So that's at least worthwhile to think about. The Loveland stuff is the one that's really, really hard to explain because he's just not involved in the offense.
41:44He never gets these priority looks. And I think he's the one that I've probably changed the priors on the most because
41:51I was expecting him to be the focal point.
41:54And he's not. That's the thing that I think really comes away from these stretch of games here is that it really is very crowded in this room.
42:02Everybody has their kind of individual role. I don't really think anybody's grown out of that.
42:07I mean, even for Roma Dunze, who I love as a separator, he's kind of in that Deontay Johnson zone right now
42:13where he makes just one or two stupid, stupid plays a game that it's like, well, I can show you the 30 great routes he ran.
42:21But you can come right back with a dumb drop or a fumble that he basically caused on his own here in this one.
42:28So it's tough to defend that. Like, that's just that's where he is.
42:32Loveland's like just mysteriously not involved. Maybe that changes burden.
42:35I think it's just kind of been in the same old role.
42:38And then Raymond's still hanging around here as well.
42:41So my big takeaway is just it's really crowded in this room.
42:44And I don't know that anybody's going to fully, fully run away with it.
42:49Yeah, it's time for Caleb. They're on the road against the Falcons next week.
42:53Then they quickly turn around on Thursday night football against the Patriots in the defense that they just posted.
42:58And then it's on the road for Monday night football against the Seattle Seahawks.
43:02Those are the next three. So, yeah, it's time to get Caleb back.
43:06That's for sure. Okay, we'll move on. Let's talk about the Bengals and the Dolphins.
43:11Look, all week long, you know me and the Waver Show.
43:14I talk up Mike Kosicki. I talk about Dante Myers because, of course, Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins aren't going to play in this one.
43:21Well, Hayden, we were wrong. Both barely practiced this week and both played.
43:25Jamar Chase, six for 77 and one touchdown. And really on the day, on just 190 yards, Joe Burrow, four touchdowns as the Bengals win 31 to 24.
43:33And I'll say it, the feisty 0-5 Dolphins. But the Dolphins and this season is going directly and likely how they wanted it to.
43:41Well, first of all, on the waiver wire, like Wednesday waiver wire has a good ring to it.
43:46Like that's something that, you know, getting an extra day of information could be pretty nice.
43:51I'll just throw that out there if anyone from Yahoo is paying attention as well.
43:55But yeah, I will say, Kosicki scores a touchdown immediately, but he had only two targets.
44:00So the people that woke up hungover, missed the injury reports, and then all of a sudden kept Kosicki in their lineup.
44:06Congrats on your 6.4 points or whatever you have in this one.
44:10And then Myers as well. He was still a big part of the story because he had a really big opening return
44:16and then also stepped out of bounds on a kick return at his own five yard line.
44:21So he was still involved in this one. But the Bengals, it was the exact same Bengals that we've watched for the last five years.
44:29They don't do any of the under center stuff.
44:31There was three under center dropbacks in this one.
44:34This was quick out to Jamar Chase. Tee Higgins on a couple slant routes over the middle.
44:39Later in the game, Jamar Chase way over the top on occasion.
44:43But this is get the ball out, shotgun, throw it.
44:46It's the same old story here. We are throw away anything, any offseason stuff that we talked about.
44:51This is the exact same Bengals offense that we've seen for the last five years.
44:55This is also what every offense is going to look like against the Dolphins.
44:59We talked about it on every single ranking show ahead of this matchup that the Dolphins were literally allowing 90% completion rate on throws 10 yards and short.
45:08And look at exactly where everything is this week.
45:10And then what TJ Hawkinson did to them last week.
45:13Like they're just allowing these easy, simple throws over and over and over.
45:17And then, yeah, you can take one shot play down the field.
45:21And like they did to Jordan Addison last week.
45:23And here it is Jamar Chase. And rinse and repeat.
45:26This is what you get against the Dolphins defense every single week.
45:30Hayden, I do want to ask you about the running backs, actually.
45:33Um, because every single week we also talk about Chase Brown being a buy low.
45:38And we said, hey, this is the week that it's going to happen.
45:42This is the game. It's going to happen. Uh, 13 carries for 39 yards, three receptions for 21.
45:47Still not good enough. It wasn't good enough. You had a fumble in this one as well.
45:52Samaji P. Ryan gets a rookie. Jacob Rodriguez on an angle route for a touchdown.
45:56Also, there was another touchdown if you go on who, uh, against Jacob Rodriguez.
46:01I think that was the sticky one. So Jacob Rodriguez, uh, compiling a bunch of tackles, but kind of got lost in coverage in this one.
46:08Uh, yeah, with Chase Brown, he's not a superstar talent.
46:11He doesn't break enough tackles. He doesn't rip off enough explosive plays.
46:15I think he's a competent NFL starter across the board, but there's just a difference between watching him and the other guys that he was drafted next to.
46:23I think it's kind of as simple as that.
46:26The fumble didn't help in this one, but he's never going to be Mr.
46:3050 yard explosive play. He's going to catch a couple of passes in the flats for touchdowns.
46:35He's going to, you know, for the most part, be the goal line back here.
46:39Uh, but you know, drafting him 15th overall and like versus how good his tape is.
46:44I think there's probably just a little bit of a disconnect between that.
46:48Uh, he's not like Omarion Hampton where he's like straight up, like might actually be bad.
46:53He's, he's a fine player. Uh, but you know, we should have probably aimed for a little bit higher of a ceiling than fine.
47:00And I think that's the fact of the matter is they're not going to do the under center stuff where like his
47:06ceiling could, could have raised because they're going to rip off more explosives under center.
47:11That experiment's like kind of already dried up within five weeks.
47:14And with their defense, not being the again, tough with the dolphins today, but their defense, not being the stone worst in the NFL.
47:21I think that also just takes off some of the play volume, which allows them to not get those kinds of compiler receptions as well.
47:28I guess that would also probably, I mean, you could tell me if I'm wrong here, but that feels like part of the theory as well.
47:36Hey, no, no, the Bengals are on a buy coming up, but to T Higgins leave this one fine.
47:42Like it seemed to me with chase, you know, getting through concussion protocol, that one is cut and dry, but T Higgins
47:48coming in with an adductor, the groin injury, uh, that seemed, you know, here or there, but this one could go in that direction.
47:55Yeah. You went DNP, DNP and then full. And then when I saw the full, I'm like, I'm guessing he's just going to be himself.
48:03He ran 28 of 34, uh, drop backs in this one.
48:06He had a drop, uh, had a couple slant wins, but nothing, nothing substantial in this one.
48:11Um, I think like what you said, Josh, like because the linebackers and the communication on this defense is just, it's by
48:17far the youngest defense in the NFL. Uh, and chop Robinson, you get home on occasion as a, as a edge rusher there.
48:24But if you can just kind of like quickly dink and dunk run a couple routes where you kind of just change directions.
48:31Like we've seen Kittle and Kelsey and those guys run like very similar routes for explosives.
48:36If you're just going to get layups like that, like there's really is just no need for like T Higgins to be
48:42dunking on guys way down the field in this one, by the way, that second dot, there's a little white dot on
48:49that Joe burrow, uh, passing chart that went incomplete.
48:51Like the moneyaging out of today, like eight, Jamar chase was over the top and there was two dolphins defenders underneath them
48:58and burrow misses them by like two yards. That would have been a touchdown as well.
49:03So he, we were this close to, you know, the 160 in two, uh, touchdown, um, gain from Jamar chase, but incredible
49:09play that he made in this one and the dolphins, like you said, Josh, I love the Dolphins because they do play
49:16their ass off and I love how they kind of own it at the microphone There's no BS in from anybody.
49:22They're like we're trying we're competing. This isn't good enough And there's kind of like a no excuses mindset But also like
49:28the head coach and Malik Willis stuff like they understand what this team is This team could win one game this year.
49:35I was looking at their schedule and stuff like it's hard to predict A team to win literally zero games this year.
49:41I don't think this team's getting to three wins I think they're that far behind all over the place on both sides
49:48of the ball, but that schedule is not the easiest one and They're feisty is simply not talented enough.
49:53Yeah It feels like the bingos are involved in every game that they play like one or one and a half score
50:00games right now And then you look at it.
50:03I know we've barely seen caleb douglas But I thought he flashed in the opening two weeks of the season chris bell
50:09his best play has been taken away But the eye test is is there and like those are two wide receivers you
50:16can build around Caden proctor's a massive human being and paired with aaron brewer and patrick paul that can make up your
50:22left side of your offensive line Then on defense jacob rodriguez is already racking up a ton of tackles Chris johnson is
50:29flashing at the cornerback spot like they've hit on a ton of rookies that you can build around And yet they are
50:35going oh and five yet staying competitive on a weekly basis We can talk about like the ollie gordon of it all
50:42and yeah He's back to back now with touchdowns with 18 carries and 88 yards and our guy malik washington matt six
50:48receptions for 43 yards You love to see it as the ppr scam of the season Uh, but just overall I think
50:55this is going Exactly how the long view of the dolphins should be Yeah, the malik washington thing is so funny because
51:01he's like top 15 ish Like tied with justin jefferson and targets per route run, but every week it ends up with
51:07like six catches for 43 yards And I think he actually looks pretty decent.
51:12It's just they don't run any plays whatsoever Um, yeah hayden any thoughts on ollie gordon?
51:16Because I mean we get devon a chan out of here and now suddenly the dolphins run game is cooking.
51:22What's up with that? Yeah, ollie gordon had I mean he easily led the team in snaps you're dealing right six carries
51:29for 11 yards All the gordon had I would say probably four or five runs that went for about tennis yards He
51:35had a long of 22 as well He's not going to catch the ball at all, but he's by far the biggest
51:42Uh boy in the backfield josh and that means he's going to get a goal line work There's not going to be
51:48that much goal line work in in this uh malik willis had a goal line touchdown himself in complete garbage time The
51:55malik willis stuff just spent a A second on him both interceptions were just like in the like inexcusable variety Like there's
52:01a very clear check down that I thought on the one that got tipped and then the other one He flushes himself
52:08out of the pocket throws kind of across his body for an interception He can't be having those plays.
52:13There was also a fumble when he was stepping up in the pocket as well Like those are three like very critical mistakes.
52:20You'll see some air yards in the spreadsheets here Those are absolute prayers down the field like those like should not count
52:27those just be evaporated from the spreadsheets malik washington He has a carry that goes for 18 yards chris bell and around
52:3326 yards up the sideline like that's a that's a big guy That's running pretty fast Like, you know, chris bell is
52:40pretty intriguing not for fantasy this year But just like as as a dolphins fan if there's any anybody left out there
52:46Um, but yeah, malik willis still made a couple plays on on the run.
52:50He had an awesome scramble for 39 yards as well like You know, it's it's maybe a step down from what I
52:57was hoping for with malik willis just watching him like the consistency There's a couple flashes there, but Just too many fatal
53:03fatal mistakes and I think a lot of them are like squarely because of him Matt prediction time Uh, I think the
53:10phrase i'm dolphins curious is going to be very popular one after after this season depending on the quarterback Just based on
53:16what this environment could potentially be in like the story you can write for yourself All right.
53:21Well, I mean I did it with the cardinals this offseason.
53:25I don't know if I got the stomach to do it again two times in a row We'll see well I'm going
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54:10king sports app today and keep football at your fingertips Wherever you are the crown is yours The minnesota vikings are freaking
54:17five and oh And they beat the new orleans saints here 23 13 now there might be some asterisk on that what
54:23we'll talk about in a moment but Matt The number one question we have to ask ourselves Because we knew the vikings
54:30defense was number one in the league What about their offense?
54:33What is it at least the black score reads kyler murray 24 30 229 one touchdown just two sacks taken I ask
54:39this question every week, but matt What did we learn in week five?
54:43Yeah, we should definitely come back to the vikings defense because this actually the game with the saints went exactly as you'd
54:50expect Like we could have simmed this one and like everything that we said about it was correct But okay, so on
54:56the offensive side of it though I do think we learned a couple of things about kyler murray specifically He was he
55:03was pretty good in this game and his little safety blanket from last week uh, t.j.
55:07Hawkinson got a concussion Basically right away was out for the game completely gone.
55:12Um, justin jefferson rules Not that that's something we didn't know already but his touchdown if you guys haven't seen it You
55:18should definitely go back and watch the replay He is in the slot.
55:22He gets uh, like kind of tangled up with one defender gets free pushes powers through it Basically, it's corner out in
55:28the back of the end zone three defenders vacuum towards him and he still catches the ball So we talked about this
55:35on stats versus film where a lot of the offense last week felt like kind of the worst versions of The kevin
55:41o'connell boom and bust nature the kyler murray boom and bust nature and jordan addison being your lead receiver Addison doesn't play
55:48in this game, but you get justin jefferson back that makes a whole hell of a lot of difference But kyler was again.
55:55He was pretty solid in this game started out 11 of 11 I thought he was fast and explosive.
56:00This was the best. I think he's looked as a runner In quite some time and it was like once he made
56:07a decision to get out of there The saints defenders were kind of just pulling their hair out trying to get him
56:13on the ground He looked again very fast very explosive and notably today to uh, kyler murray was 21 of 24 Today
56:20for 204 yards and a touchdown from the shotgun or pistol He was only three of six for 35 all under center
56:26So there's definitely a little bit of blending of the worlds here in terms of what kyler murray wants to do And
56:33what kevin o'connell has traditionally done with these quarterbacks So you can tell yourself a story that as these guys work more
56:39and more together They can kind of meet in the middle here and I kind of have some similar notes on the
56:46run game as well I agree on the kyler murray speed that he had that one scramble to the right sideline that
56:52I saw where he he was looking so fast So completely agree there and yeah, the 51 rushing yards like that's how
56:59he can that kind of maintain like as a top 12 ish quarterback Because we've seen a lot lesser quarterbacks Kind of
57:05finish that way for uh, for fans in this offense So looking at the passing chart not a whole lot over the
57:12middle like there's a couple turn downs that I saw but Kyler's like ball placement and like ability to kind of throw
57:18on the run like if you got justin jefferson one-on-one and stuff like I don't want to like completely overthink the throwing
57:25over the middle stuff like You can throw the ball deep on time to justin jefferson like that's gonna be able to
57:31you know, carry carry an offense enough given how good the defense is Yeah, you're gonna leave plays on the field when
57:38this is part of it But when you have one of the best if not the best receiver in the entire world
57:44And the run game is humming here 25 carries for aaron jones aaron jones is a beast man.
57:50I know he's not gonna say healthy He even got uh banged up in this one when he He he fumbled I think at the goal.
57:57Yeah, he fumbles at the goal line, uh, but returns and later scores a touchdown and his touchdown Is a gap run there's a puller.
58:05It's just true power football and he barrels his way in there, so I know he's not here for a long time,
58:11but man He's here for a good time is aaron jones So, uh, we'll see what the split looks like when they
58:18get back from the bye and jordan mason presumably returns as well But aaron jones has been very good and I again
58:24this is a very similar where You they wanted to be I think a outside zone team coming into the year They
58:31talked a lot about that, but they have slowly but surely just been ripping those plays out of the playbook and putting
58:37More of these power gap runs in here and at least on the jones part of it.
58:42He's responding to that extremely. Well Matt, I have a big picture question to ask you.
58:47So if you need a moment to answer it, I totally understand Okay, our buddy in hard it's Posted that the vikings
58:53this season Defensive epa per play number one in the nfl that is not a surprise when you watch them on a
59:00weekly basis and we'll talk about him right now if you want but Offensive epa per play Is 32nd so where do you think?
59:07This vikings offense can get to like where do they need to get to in order to match and maybe win the
59:13super bowl Because their defense is playing like a super caliber winning defense right now Yeah epa wise they're 32nd Um in
59:20terms of the metrics that I look again, this is coming into this week.
59:24So I haven't updated the numbers yet But they're about like yeah 25th best offense in the league.
59:29Uh, if you kind of take a Amalgamation amalgamation of all these different metrics.
59:34Um, their success rate is just super low They're going to be kind of boom bust I think if they can get I don't know about super bowl.
59:42I mean super bowl is a lot I I don't know if I trust this off their five and a super bowl, but Yeah, great.
59:49I mean that's different than playing the best teams in the nfl and and kind of doing that in january Which is
59:56the saints are not the bet one of the best teams in the nfl We'll talk about this second, but um, yeah,
60:02I would say we got to get closer to like 15 to 17 which you know that is quite a bit of
60:09ways to go Yeah, and I think part of that defensive epa and again this defense is unreal But you face caleb
60:15williams in that storm and he pulls his hamstring going in for a touchdown Then you face this version of baker mayfield
60:22with tampa bay Then you face the dolphins and here you face the saints Um, matt let's talk about that saints offense.
60:28Tyler shucks 16 of 25 For 96 yards 3.8 Yards per attempt two interceptions one sack Uh, and I feel like I
60:35saw one question if he broke his left hand or not And he said I basically can't reveal that information.
60:41So what it looked like today It looks like he broke his hand uh, because he was handing off the ball with
60:47his with the one hand all game So he probably broke his hand Um, but yeah, this game wasn't even as close
60:54as the final score leads you to believe if you're looking at the saints offense Because jonas sanker recovered and returned a
61:00fumble for 87 yards, which ultimately tied the game Uh, and then the the vikings offense was able to put it away
61:07the saints offense is I mean it literally had Nothing in this one, uh in the first half brian flores blitzed tyler
61:13shuck on 91 of his dropbacks and then they call It was out Outrageous and then to put poor salt on the
61:20wound They back off of it only a mere 40 percent pressure rate in the second half But next gen stats noticed
61:26that they had they got more pressure on tyler shuck when not blitzing Then when blitzing so, uh, yeah, it was just that offensive line against that front.
61:34We knew it was going to be a mismatch It absolutely was a mismatch They were held the saints offense to a
61:412.3 percent explosive play rate just one explosive play on the day A 16 yarder to chris olave That is the lowest
61:47explosive play rate in a game in the next gen stats era So since 2016, uh, is when they're starting that one
61:54So I mean literally again everything we said about this game where it was going to be a mismatch Cj donaldson did
62:00indeed play the most snaps in the back of course because he's the pass protection back 100 percent with josh we talked
62:07about that on the preview show nailed that one Uh, and unfortunately if you started alvin kameran You're hoping for the touchdown
62:13scam that went to kendra miller who got all the work inside the five yard line and punched in his touchdown Very
62:20early in the game as well Oh, i'm just looking at Every drive the saints had After their second drive, which was
62:26a touchdown of 15 plays 66 yards It went three and out three and out Fumble on the kickoff interception after 11
62:33yards Uh punt turnover on downs and interception on the day Like yeah, this saints team Again, they played their best ball
62:39in third and long situations this season and mostly in second halves of games You cannot find yourself in those situations against
62:46this brian flores defense And so they they just have to Find answers as they go along here because Matt, we like
62:52a lot of the pieces on the saints and they're going to get even better once You know, jordan tyson comes back
62:59eventually But uh at one and four in this hole.
63:02I understand the nfc south is what it is and every team is going to be eight and eight forever Even if
63:08eight and eight doesn't exist Uh You're digging yourself a hole here Yeah I think the offensive line and the state of
63:15the run game is too bad for them to be a serious team Which that's something that they have to look at,
63:21you know, maybe travis h and gets back They weren't using him like that anyways, but uh, the kelvin banks injury.
63:27That's the that's the bigger one to me It's just That's That's too It's too either too on serious along the offensive
63:34line at this point He's almost like allowed the most pressures since the kelvin banks injury like the backup and then looking
63:40at this one The running backs in the tight ends allowed six pressures And you know, you just can't have that that's
63:47like the credit to brian flores for you know, just understanding the pass protection rules But these guys just can't block for
63:53new orleans now real quick if this is a broken hand and we're we know Calvin kelvin banks isn't coming back for
64:00a while like A broken handle for your quarterback Like are we talking about the juwan and veley stuff is like unserious
64:06now for fantasy Like we we've seen the highs of that and like we can't trust it moving forward If he truly
64:13does have a broken hand like is this pretty much only chris olave for for fantasy purposes Yeah Um, it was his
64:19left hand so not his throwing hand, you know, there is there is that for tyler shuck, but It definitely gets a little thinner.
64:27Um, he did not look comfortable and his one of his interceptions today was just like completely Baffling so it was it
64:33just was a bad day at the office I'm i'm not going to totally give up the ghost on the veley and
64:40johnson stuff But I think this one just was it was a buzz saw they were predictably going to run into so
64:46i'm not totally ready to give up But it is a little concerning for sure All right Speaking of ghosts I would
64:53say Aaron rogers Found some parts of his game that we thought were dead But they came back alive here in week
64:59five Let's see where you're going with that Indianapolis colts 22 here's where i'm going with it matt you ready The colts
65:06kicked five field goals in this game and the steelers scored four touchdowns Simple math will tell you that field goals are
65:12worth three points and touchdowns are worth six plus one That was the entire difference here.
65:17Uh, and also Jalen warren was a huge freaking difference for the pittsburgh's the other is one of hayden winks's best shout
65:23outs of the summer First touchdown 80 Yard swing pass to the house aaron rogers takes a huge shot in the backfield
65:30It flicks it out to jalen warren just in time who outruns the one linebacker that's covering to the corner And he's
65:36untouched the rest of the way thanks to dk freaking metcalf Blocking two separate defenders down the field and spring him Maybe
65:43just maybe the sauce gardener trash talk this week got dk in his groove from a blocker standpoint and sprung that long
65:49touchdown The second one jalen warren 50 yarder Broke two arm tackles at the line of scrimmage and he was straight gone
65:56the Booth which was jim nance said that we were expecting 17 to 22 touches from jalen warren heading into this game
66:02Uh, jalen warren pitches with 21 you love to see it pat frymuth had two other touchdowns here And then another nugget
66:09that we got from the production meetings is that quote aaron rogers likes jerry bernard He never fails to mention him in a production meeting with us.
66:17Well jerry bernard nine targets six receptions 80 yards Leader among all those wide receivers roman wilson Dislocates his finger on his
66:23first target just before halftime Immediately ruled out so You're going to see jerry bernard painted all over waiver wire columns this
66:30week as the headliner Because we know michael pittman is out for multiple weeks And jerry bernard Did have one drop but
66:36was a total gamer here and every time he gets a chance He pops up and shows exactly who he is So,
66:43uh, hey now send it over to you this steelers team three and two right now Uh, they were sick of being 500 and squeaking into the playoffs.
66:51I'm not saying it's like totally different here They have like the bucks the saints and the browns over the next three weeks.
66:58This could be a nice stretch here for the steelers Yeah To me this story is just goes to the jalen warren
67:04like This is like austin neckler to me just watching him over the years like they have not committed to it enough
67:11And I really hope that you know the last couple games here with without rico dowdle Was the wake-up call and that
67:17they don't make this a committee Like obviously with jalen warren his size like he probably shouldn't touch the ball 20 times
67:24on average But could this like not be a 50 50 split between rico dowdle and jill They're playing different sports like
67:30there is no way that rico dowel could hit The the explosive plays that jalen warren has he's good in protection.
67:37He's physical He's pretty quick on top of that.
67:39He knows where he's going like I've always thought he's just underutilized and like I really hope with rico dowel returning that
67:46they do not put a lid on this Like it's not going to be like fantasy rb1 status But could he not
67:52be the rb24 from for the rest of the season?
67:55Like could he actually be like a top 15 guy like that?
67:59It's so obvious that he's so much better than how this there's used him for like last couple years You said the
68:05name uh, austin echo I want to say I swear to god eckler and I did a segment at one point where
68:12he pointed out He saw some similarities in jalen warren's game to himself not just because they're Undrafted guys who were at
68:18number 30, but uh, kind of followed that same path and have that same skill set Yeah, man, like let's fully unleash
68:25jayen warren We showed some stat on the screen where like he is the first running back since freaking herschel walker to
68:31have like an 80 yard touchdown and 50 By the way, herschel walker our uh ambassador to the bahamas, so that's how
68:38long ago that was okay So yeah, I mean like let's let's go jalen warren I I mean he's he's such a
68:44good player and makes this offense actually feel If they're going to do the spread stuff with rogers, he's such a way
68:51better fit for it So I mean, yeah, I just I hope we're not just wish casting this hayden because it it
68:57does feel like it could be real And I'll add some of its under center like I feel like rogers is going
69:04more under center this year than he has In in the past few years, this was an interesting dynamic because jay-j watt
69:10was in the booth with his brother tj Obviously on the field and jay kept mentioning that Jalen warren gets better the
69:17more touches you give him And whenever he talks about the steelers I kind of wonder how much of that is through
69:23his communication with his brother and maybe what they feel internally But rico sounds like he will be back next week from
69:30his dislocated toe So, uh, we'll see what happens, but it should go in this direction.
69:34That's for sure Okay, matt. I want to send this to you this comment with the colts Um, I think the colts
69:41are one of the worst teams in the nfl Like we can throw up the arizona cardinals The tennessee titans and the
69:47miami dolphins as the bottom three I understand they're two and three, but I think I would put the colts next Um, jonathan taylor is awesome.
69:55He was stuffed four times at the goal line So hayden he's gonna be massive in your expected fancy points model this
70:02week Tyler warren actually got the rushing score as a fullback Uh, he also went seven for 83 on a handful of
70:08deeper routes today Which is very cool to see in terms of overs and he actually had the lowest A dot in
70:15the league among all non-running backs entering this week and that should change But man, they have nothing else Uh, everything is
70:21so compact when they're throwing down the field and daniel jones just doesn't move like he used to The ball dies and
70:28then when he throws or it's too overthrown It's just not hitting nearly as much as it did last year And it
70:34makes sense like when you're throwing to keenan allen Uh nine times when you're throwing to laquan treadwell eight times Matt, it
70:41just has a whole different feel to it. And I think the colts, uh, I think they stink Yeah, they suck for sure.
70:47Uh, tyler warren 9.9 air yards per target feels like a miracle I think it was 2.3 coming into this game.
70:54Uh, so and yeah, when he had like the rushing touches like oh great Just more gimmicky stuff for tyler warren So
71:00at least there's that uh, josh downs. I saw had a 40 yard explosive play down the field He averages 16.5 air
71:07yards per target, but The vertical stuff to laquan treadwell just feels Sad that this is the state of the offense and
71:13like none to your point josh I don't think any of it matters because every time I watch daniel jones i'm like
71:20more disappointed than the previous week So again, this is one of those things where it's so cute that we can be
71:26in in the summer like oh my god This guy looks like nothing ever happened to him And then you get into
71:33a real nfl game and he looks like a quarterback who has always been up and down and is Coming off a
71:39torn achilles like he doesn't move like he used to to your point Uh, look at the the deepest passes of the game.
71:46He went one for 11 on them So, you know, it's a lot of prayers to laquan treadwell to your point Whatever
71:52happened to darius slayton like is he ever going to get active and going?
71:56Like I forgot. I forgot. I forgot about that I told well nick westberg akine got a long target here.
72:02So uh That's not gonna help deon burks. They're like trying deon brooks.
72:06Yeah, 43. Yes If you can run in a straight line, you're going to get a deep target and it's going to
72:13go incomplete here Yeah, I mean Look on a day where he throws zero interceptions and only takes one sack you would
72:19think like maybe the Colts are going to be more competitive But it just comes down to if they get a penalty
72:26or if they fail to gain yards on the ground Which again john and taylor only average three yards per carry here
72:32Then you get in these second and third long situations and that's how you get into five field goals Right because they
72:39can't convert on those Third and eight third and twelves Whatever it is because they just don't have the horses for it
72:45Like they tried josh downs in two tight window targets down the field And then the db just kind of was draped
72:52all over him and knocked it away So it's this is just who they are this year and it's it's pretty unfortunate
72:58and it makes sense why they paid Alec pierce so much money other than you know He's really good at football.
73:04It comes down to that. Okay Houston texans There's a lot to talk about here But first we have to start with
73:11them actually winning a game and posting 26 points Matt I see 261 and a touchdown For cj stroud along with a
73:17rushing score Uh, unfortunately, I see zavier hutchinson having more receiving yards for nico collins But also The running back room woody
73:24marks 15 carries for 62 and dave montgomery 5 for 11 Take this wherever you want Either the dmont injury or cj
73:30stroud actually throwing the football Well with cj stroud there's a couple amazing plays out of structure That I thought really stood
73:37out because obviously when cj stroud has time throwing the ball to nico collins over the middle That's that's pretty much automatic
73:43But on the jalen nold touchdown He was flushed to his left throws that ball jalen nold makes a great play extending
73:50His hands away from the defender now jalen still only has 45% snaps 50 of the routes He's only out there in
73:5611 personnel pretty much He has you know 5 of 26 snaps outside of 11 personnel So we can't get that excited
74:03about jalen nold, but he's going to be Uh, uh, the same exact player once we get marvin harrison Out there but
74:09there's a couple other throws from cj stroud Uh towards the sideline.
74:13There's a great one To kasha on booty. He also had a zone read touchdown at the two yard line as well
74:19So there was it was just like another very clean game for cj stroud He's very welcoming to the marvin harrison.
74:26They obviously played together and had a lot of success in college Um, and once again, not a whole lot on the
74:32ground woody marks had a 24 yard touchdown Uh called back on a holding play.
74:37I thought that was a little bit ticky tack Uh, but david montgomery with a groin injury He was like barely kind
74:43of walking to the locker room Like to me that looked like a multi-week injury here And i'll just say it again
74:50woody marks is better than david montgomery I've said that after every single game i've watched from the houston texans to the
74:56point now The texans reporters who typically don't like to do like too much opinion based Uh tweeting they were like woody
75:03marks should be the running back for this team Even when david montgomery comes back i'm not predicting that's going to be
75:09the case, but He just moves a step faster.
75:12I think he should play like, you know 60 75 of the snaps There's a couple screens to him and then after
75:18the game Uh demico ryan said quote may miss some time on david montgomery So I think this team should be a
75:25pass first team with woody marks as kind of your space back Win with defense win with explosives in the past game
75:31Live with the results because the run game results are just never going to be good enough And I think that the
75:38marvin harrison trade on top of that like further further believes Uh that point for me because cj strata things just playing
75:44like really really high in ball Yeah, i'm i feel like i'm gonna be talking about the marvin harrison trade a hundred
75:51different times in the next three days So I don't want to yeah, I don't want to kind of blow all the
75:57notes right now But I totally agree with you hayden that when this was even the thought you know from the very
76:04weird reporting on saturday I'm like out at brunch with with my wife and i'm looking at my phone like what what are we doing here?
76:11Um, i've had too many mimosas to try to Uncover what this means, but um, yeah, it's Even thinking about it then
76:18if it was going to be a houston texan Even before seeing this game which is another great game for shroud and
76:24the whole deal This team should just be a total pass first spread like let cj stroud cook and I do at
76:31least just You know marv obviously is an up and down player, but I wanted to see either marv or nico play
76:37fewer snaps at x receiver Based on what i've heard from the texans staff My guess is it's gonna not about not
76:44with marv, but My guess is it's gonna end up being harrison not nico because I think they want nico to stick
76:50in that In that x role, so You know, I I think this could get really pretty interesting if they just like
76:57kind of Give the keys to stroud and abandon the run game completely Uh matt again You're going to talk about this
77:0399 more times But with marv does he just check directly into the role that we expected jayn higgins to have open this season?
77:10Yep, a guy that they can do some x receiver stuff with even last year with nico and jayden They would kind
77:17of have two guys be outside on the ball With when those two guys were active, so I think they can obviously
77:23do that with marv, but You look at Higgins route tree from his rookie year It does lean into a lot of
77:30the breaking routes that Marv runs and fewer of the kind of vertical stretch stuff that he just absolutely cannot do so
77:36um, and I also think there's something to the fact that you know stroud really believes in him because It's pretty i'm
77:43curious to hear what you heard from the broadcast josh with the cardinals and everything because it is pretty clear that Man
77:49that relationship was was bad there uh, and even from the beginning I saw the The thing that chris carter said about
77:56how he bought the fifth had to buy the 50 000 jug machine By himself because the cardinals wouldn't buy it or
78:02something So it's like right from the bad right from the beginning So obviously harrison's a guy who's had some up and
78:09downs from the mental part of it for sure So having his guy there and stroud believing him.
78:14I think that that does help things. Yeah last question on this matt um I think one issue with marv other than
78:21just parts of his game is just the volume And you know some people will say it's earned some people say well,
78:27he's just not gotten it all this type of stuff Do you think in this offense in that role that we're expecting to have?
78:34He'll average more than like three and a half targets, which has kind of been what he's been getting with the cardinals
78:41as of late Like what what are your expectations volume wise opposite nico collins and attach to cj strap?
78:47I will take the over on three and a half targets for sure I think we could get somewhere to like six
78:53maybe per game Um, especially if they do kick up the past attempts because You can hate marv all you want He's
78:59better than kashon booty or you know even xavier hutchinson who runs like 47 of the routes here So I expect him
79:06to be a pretty impactful player here Well, josh Xavier hutchinson has at least five targets in every single one of these
79:12games So we can't clear the five mark then like something's like really really rotten here Um, yeah, I think like what
79:19matt said it's gonna be a version of the jaden higgins role That is more intriguing to me than the marvin harrison
79:25please went on this go post route stuff I just don't think he's fast enough.
79:30I think you you should utilize them in the ways matt was talking about So I think this is absolutely stock up for marvin harrison.
79:37He should be rostered In all leagues. I do think that there's gonna be a chance that he's gonna be You know somewhere in the 30s.
79:45I would say like rest of season rankings. I would say wide receiver 35 or so I think that's where jaden higgins
79:51would have ended up Because I think cj shrouds playing better than we expected And I think the ground game has been
79:58so bad that they really do have like no choice to me to be stroud collins harrison and then jalen knoll In
80:04the slot no more kasha no more xavier hutchinson like those guys right uh not good enough And simple math he goes
80:11from being the third target On the arizona cardinals to the second target here are the houston texans like that is a
80:17positive in the direction here And just for everyone at home It was basically a second round pick that went in the
80:24opposite direction plus a late round pick swap jake laser got on the broadcast saying that any mention of the Indianapolis colts
80:30or the las vegas readers they were not involved in this trade at all It was just with the houston texans and
80:37on that note Apparently marvin harrison jr hired an agent to get this trade done He did not have an agent prior
80:43to this which I thought was an interesting part that He knew that this was on the cards or wanted it to
80:50happen And hired an agent to kind of facilitate this so yeah, it was it was very necessary For all sides let's
80:56put that one Hopefully it hits the ground running and hopefully like his relationship with the quarterback Allows it to hit the
81:03ground running and um, I would actually say hayden like good job for the cardinals getting a second round pick this year
81:09And not like a second round pick next year as we've seen you know other teams send and receive recently too I
81:16think that makes sense I think you know marv's way better than what he's been Recently like I think that this is
81:22going to kind of reset his career He's not going to hit the complete ceiling that we have But there's a lot
81:29of second round picks that teams make at wide receiver that just don't pan out And I think I would rather have
81:35Marv like kind of rejuvenated with cd stroud who has familiar my last night on the trade Do you think that the
81:42texans had to win this game for this trade to yeah, actually be facilitated which goes to my point The cardinals had
81:48zero expectations for the titans that they were willing to sit their own player Assuming that the titans were going to lose
81:55this game, which well Maybe it's never happened before and by the way the titans were never even close I was gonna say can you blame them?
82:03Yes Talk about the titans offense hayden because uh, you know cam ward throws for 170 yards in one interception Uh after
82:09you know last week of carnell take catching what 14 balls for over 100, whatever Uh, he catches one for six on
82:16five targets that sucks You can watch an entire titans game and like not even understand like or have any notes written
82:22down like that This game just kind of came and went the big thing was You know, daniel hunter and Daniel hunter
82:29and will anderson it was just overpowering the left tackle really really struggled there's a 57 pressure rate allowed for the tennessee
82:35titans cam ward had a you know, like a stripped interception fumble deflection Whatever we want to call it because it deal
82:42daniel hunter there was a couple like out of you know Out of structure moments from cam board You can go halves
82:48without like, you know Just like back to back in pocket in rhythm completions for this offense And that's just kind of
82:55where this one went there was a big deep shot In this one to carnell tape that goes just incomplete tyj spears
83:01has a fumble and it's a lot of tony pollard like You know, there's like no level of consistency the bellic flash
83:08to day ball in the booth and like You just don't know like what exactly like they're even going for Um, so
83:14you know, it was a hundred and seventy scoreless passing yards for cam ward Um as expected for brutal sacks I I
83:21don't know what they're trying to be. I don't know what cam ward is trying to be Um, because he has a
83:27big arm, but they don't like really use it down the field all too much.
83:32It's I don't know man Like it's a it's a terrible football team.
83:36They're nowhere near as good as they should be in the second season with cam ward Yeah I'll just add that bad
83:42teams stay bad because of ownership I think we can point that in the direction of the arizona cardinals and we can
83:49point that the direction of the tennessee titans Like the nfl is all about creating a level playing field through draft picks
83:55and pregnancy Everyone gets to spend the same and you should not suck This long Um, and when you do it's because
84:02your owners stink Making decisions behind the scenes and then Also just hiring the wrong people And I think that these two
84:08teams have kind of gone through that cycle over the last few years.
84:12Yeah With the titans by the way, they fired three more Uh, senior vice presidents, uh, the chief revenue officers out of
84:19there the senior vice presidents out of there The brand marketing vice president out of their vice president of creative out of
84:25there like, you know Top down that includes, you know, trying to sell Some tickets and whatnot for the new stadium.
84:31It's you know, I think this team just rotten Yeah, I I think one of the people that they fired was the
84:38person in charge of the entirely new logo and branding and the new uniform on top of this And then like you're
84:44saying, um, they're opening a new stadium next year And probably charging a whole lot God So Okay, well, let's talk about
84:51those arizona cardinals because they got demolished Like you do against the detroit lions.
84:55I mean The lines open with three three and outs and still posted 45 points on the cardinals That's really bad guys.
85:01I mean really bad And after those first three and outs and look Jared golf got I think sacked on his first
85:08drop back in each of those first two drives Then they were nails Um, and it all happened on third and fourth
85:14downs Sam laporta converts a huge fourth and four while taking a big hit Gibbs ultimately puts in the end zone on
85:21that first drive that they score By the way, jameer gibbs is now tied for nfl history Actually, he overtook it In
85:27this game with the most touchdowns before the age of 25 in nfl history He now has surpassed Barry sanders of the
85:34detroit lions, but sam laporta had a day I mean a touchdown five receptions 88 yards when this team didn't need to
85:40do anything in the fourth quarter An awesome catch and run on third and 12 got 11 for that Then the next
85:47snap he leaked out for a 31 yard touchdown on fourth and one But the name to bring up here Two catches
85:5347 yards two touchdowns Finally Jamison williams Uh, the first one a stack with isaac tesla a crossing route versus buddabaker who
86:00left earlier With a groin injury that was on a fourth and four touchdown We love the aggressiveness from dan campbell.
86:06This is when it pays off The second was on a three-level concept kind of same play they ran a few years
86:13ago against the tempe bucks I remember breaking that down with I think it was Josh mcganda might've been colt mccoy Uh,
86:19anyways one on one easy easy long touchdown and a quiet day Quiet day for i'm on rossi and brown just six
86:26for 69 to go along with gibbs uh 151 and two scores.
86:29Um, and then quickly on the cardinals. I mean they just sucked They were really bad.
86:34Uh, yeah, jacoby gets there in the end with 292 and three touchdowns.
86:38Congratulations For your second half garbage time when you're down, you know 35 to seven Um, the big talking point though is
86:44jeremiah love 12 carries 22 yards No catches Uh, this was the longest game of his life in the longest season of
86:51his life um, I think jeremiah love our buddy field yates tweeted out now has Negative eight receiving yards over the last
86:57two weeks hayden and he's yet to reach 20 receiving yards in a game this season That is like mismanagement for the
87:04number three overall pick who's a very good pass catcher for your team I mean, this is another one of these, you
87:10know Bad teams stay bad and it's all the way to the top.
87:14You know, you're drafting running back I love jeremiah love but you're drafting Running backs third overall when the rest of your
87:21team stinks monty awesome for like look at his last like three or four draft classes They've spent real draft capital trying
87:27to fix this defense Real cap dollars to try to fix this defense and it's just like a walking 40 points allowed
87:34Um, so Yeah, the the jeremiah love stuff. What was it a new injury?
87:38Did he look injured? Was this just The rotation that we should expect moving forward like to be learn anything new from
87:44this game about like the status of his ankles Legit think he just got phased out and that's part of the issue
87:51With being on a team like this when you're down 35 to 7 Uh at with you know, a quarter and a
87:57half left to play Why would they trot out jeremiah love again in the longest season of his life?
88:03Which I I know we're we bring up mad that phrase is a joke But I actually think we saw it implemented
88:09here Like why is a team going to you know, oh, yeah Force feed him check downs and big hits when he's
88:16going to be like a fixture of your Franchise for the next few years Why do that in a game that you
88:22know you're going to lose and so that hurts us From a fancy asset standpoint because he's not getting the gimme stuff
88:29He's not getting the touchdowns that jacoberset throws in the fourth quarter And because of that he's Useless in a game like
88:35this I still feel like it would be slightly different if he wasn't banged up But that's kind of like the calculus
88:42of it too is to your point why Waste these jeremiah love touches when you're getting obliterated by the detroit lions So
88:48yeah, really frustrating if you have jeremiah love and fantasy just frustrating overall too on this offense that I mean, I benefited
88:55from the jacoberset fantasy scam because I started him in the experts league So, you know, that was like staring at eight
89:01points for forever and then it ends up with 20 plus So that's great.
89:05That's what it's going to be but tegan uh quit toriano gets two of the i'm probably Posturing that name.
89:11I apologize. Uh, he Sorry, i'm i'm sorry. I hate mispronouncing people's names, but I don't know what it sounds like So
89:18two two touchdowns for him And those are the early touchdowns to train mcbride got his super late.
89:23I saw Yes, uh Also, if your question is who is replacing marvin harrison jr in this offense Uh, jalen brooks got
89:30a deep shot on the first series and then he also got a second and nearly tips into himself for a touchdown
89:36So jalen brooks got run here, but so did reggie virgil and then tegan quintaro Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
89:42I charted reggie virgil pre-draft. So That's a person to me Well, jalen brooks, I think is like a Uh, 30 year player out of south carolina.
89:50No fourth year 30 year. Yeah, 20 23 seventh round pick Um, truly have never heard of them.
89:55Um, trim mcbride had a sick. It was the last touch on the game doesn't matter But I mean just a nasty
90:02get both feet in bounds while tipping the ball and juggling it to yourself So yeah, I mean Kendrick born is also
90:08going to be someone that we mentioned on the waiver wire for better for worse because this offense is going to be
90:15down by a lot He's going to run a bunch of routes.
90:18He's out there in you know, the middle of the field territory and Uh, he was outperforming marvin harrison jr in a
90:25number of the games earlier this season So I don't think his role is necessarily going to change that much But uh,
90:31you know at least the pecking order I think is is quite clear and they're gonna run three players at that other
90:38spot And sacrifice them to the wind sprint gods Uh for the rest of the game.
90:42That's for sure I just looked jalen brooks is 40 time 4 6 9.
90:46I mean, okay I don't know if i've seen a wide receiver that i mean that is historically low for actually getting
90:53NFL snaps I think the kendrick born stuff is just going to be ppr scam when the cardinals have given up their
90:5940th point of the game And he's trusted and he's not going to get benched this season Uh, like I think he's
91:06like fine enough as an individual player and he he's got um Lafleur experience going back to you know beyond the season
91:12so You know, he's not gonna like I don't think he's gonna be like a rest of season top 30 guy But
91:19like will he do this five for 70 on eight targets multiple times the rest of this year?
91:24I absolutely think he's going to do that Yep, yep, okay That does it for all the games that we were assigned
91:31But let's dial it back to sunday morning and harman i'm gonna throw this to you jaguars 19 eagles 17 Uh, I
91:37know I took a segment of the show Talking through the ending of the commanders and giants Do you want to take
91:44a segment and talk about what happened at the end of this game?
91:48Yeah, um, I don't even really know where to begin with what happened in this football game This the chart really does
91:54show it pretty well here I turned this game off with eight seconds to go because like all right, cool Um, eagles
92:01kick the field goal They're gonna go ahead and win this one Uh, that was not that was not to be the
92:07case Because jacksonville jaguars get the return amir abdulla by the way shout out to amir abdulla gets the return Uh, he
92:14returns it to field goal range and cam little boots in the game winning field goal 19 to 17 The jags escaped
92:20this one and I mean it when I say The jags escaped this one because they Shot themselves in the foot over
92:27and over and over again with some of the most outrageous disgusting penalties you could ever i mean there are Like liam
92:33cohen is a great is a great coach and I love liam cohen as a coach, but he is a he's a
92:40hothead And this team kind of plays like a hothead.
92:43You know what i'm saying? So there was that and then the goal line The goal line sequences for this team they
92:49could not call a normal play they could not Have a successful play at one point basial tootin does like a full
92:55jet sweep when they line up chris rodriguez at the backfield That gets stuffed eagles defense actually played a pretty good game
93:02here Uh, they had some of their guys back Although this game started weird too because uh on the kickoff there were
93:08four penalties all offsetting Two players got tossed from that one of them was brian thomas jr.
93:14Not that brian thomas jr. You guys might not know the the jackson jaguars employed two players named brian thomas jr.
93:20Brian with a y Brian the same number of catches in this game though Well, that's part of the goal line bs.
93:26I'm jumping all over the place here too But brian thomas jr should have had a touchdown catch But he catches a
93:33touchdown in college where he only gets one damn foot down I cannot believe he did not drag that second foot when
93:39he was good outrageous stuff Yes, well Maybe in his rookie year he drags that I don't know what to say But
93:46this game will truly break your brain for a variety of different reasons.
93:50It was utter chaos utter chaos Matt my favorite sequence for jacksonville they had a delay of game before the brian thomas
93:56jr can't get his Foot in and then they have another delay of game right after that I mean i'm surprised liam
94:03cohen didn't make everybody just start doing wind sprints at that point It was also a bad snap for the mixed extra
94:09point But I will say the eagles I think kind of botched this Themselves uh even before Their field goal attempt They
94:16throw a pass to makai lemon who runs out of bounds instead of staying in bounds And that's the reason why jacksonville
94:22was able to get the ball back if he stays in bounds They kick that field goal with no time remaining Uh,
94:29and then I would also say that when they do kick the um The the the kickoff That ball gets caught at
94:35the 10 yard line only yeah, and that was I got a full full steam ahead And he was gone and then
94:42obviously he gets lucky to be, you know down with one seconds left Uh, but I thought you know the eagles they
94:48should have kicked the ball But a little bit deeper Uh, then you know catching the ball at the 10 yard line
94:55and also Makai lemon did make that mistake of getting uh out of bounds uh on the the sequence before Seems like
95:01jake elliott was told to kick the ball in bounds Uh, so it can be returned like nick searani said this was all on me Is that fair?
95:09Yeah, well, they're a dumb team and you're the head coach.
95:13It's definitely on you pal. Uh, the eagles The eagles are at this staff from our producer jb shout out to jb
95:19who's an eagles fan So i'm sure he really loved typing this uh eagles are averaging 4.6 points per game in the
95:26second half of games this season I mean they're they're pathetic dude, it's it's so bad the game and this This goes
95:32back to your point josh Nick sirianni is He's been an offensive coach that is like tried to offshoot most of the
95:39offense Maybe but medals in that way. It's hard to say But also he's kind of the ceo head coach the culture
95:45guy and this team is is so poorly managed in these situations They're incredibly stupid.
95:49Uh, so yeah, I mean I don't know where this team goes from here because they were they were competitive and they
95:56fought in this one They also have the the most bizarre looking offensive line You're ever going to see in your life
96:02right now because they have the tiniest dudes on the interior and then massive tackles with bell uh And markel bell and jordan my lotta.
96:10So I don't know a lot of weird stuff going on with the eagles.
96:14Darius cooper gets the big play At the wide receiver position if you were hunting for wicks or lemon or any of
96:21those guys Their offensive line room is basically the derrick henry and mark ingram meme over and over and over again Just one guy huge.
96:28Oh, yeah One guy is small. Yeah, I mean the eagles offense heading into this game I think was close to last
96:34in terms of the three and out rate and then they went three and out three more or five more times In
96:41this game, um Matt we we might not get Saquon barkley next week Um, or for the next game I'm reading damian
96:47pierce 11 carries will shipley five carries. Did you glean anything from this now?
96:52That's noted that you know, they average 1.3 and 1.2 yards per carry a piece Yeah, will shipley punched in a touchdown
96:58and then I think had a foot injury and he was ruled out with the rest of the for the rest of
97:05the game so God it is It's just so bleak.
97:07They're also leaving an active roster spot for lane johnson for the entire season That's that's great.
97:13Obviously really respectful for a franchise legend But I guess we're just going to roll with 52 players For the rest of
97:19the year It feels like they should they actually could probably use 54 players not 52 My theory on sirianni is like
97:26some of these decisions like he knows how he's going to fire him like might as well hit cabo in october In
97:32november He's not going to be the eagle coach.
97:35Yeah, like Do you think big dom survives without sirianni?
97:38No, oh, yeah, dude. Tom as interim head coach.
97:40We've seen worse. Oh, he would love it. You saw just saturday From yes, why not big tom?
97:46Why not? One thing I did want to bring up because this was a talking point heading into the week Was uh,
97:52trevor lawrence throws the ball 39 times here, which was much higher than their average heading into this game Which was about 24.
97:59We always said if they were pushed to the limit in a game Which they really hadn't been so far this season
98:05that we would get something like that And guess what it gives us parker washington nine targets six receptions 124 yards And
98:12two scores so again in a game like they had last week against cincinnati who was horrible against tight ends and um
98:18Brinton strange gets eight or nine targets then you know, you're condensing 15 down to the running backs and the wide receivers
98:25and all that type of stuff He might not get there But then in games where they actually have to be pressed
98:31which they will throughout It's so clear that parker washington Is the top guy okay Uh, I quickly want to talk about
98:38the broncos and the chargers because I got some eyeballs on this Uh, I wish I hadn't because this was horrible football on top of it.
98:46Um The broncos win the chargers lose their own five Uh, bonix is not fixed Bonix throws 123 yards 4.6 yards per
98:52pop one touchdown Uh early on in the red zone It was hey, let's do a wheel route to jk dobbins kind
98:59of like an escort screen type thing Uh, and then let's do a further pass down the field to rj harvey both
99:05of those were totally incomplete Uh, there was another moment where bonix was basically facing a three-man rush And he just drifts
99:12directly into his left tackle And there's a sack and There's another time where he tries to scramble and then loses the
99:18ball one yard down the field And so if you ask yourself What is sean payton's influence on this team?
99:24Uh, hayden the number one influence was that little jordan humphrey Converted a third and eight on the first drive.
99:30That was the only difference that I saw in this entire game Well, and i'm also learning that jk dobbins might be
99:36a sean payton guy as well And like, you know, that's only adding so much to this offense like They if they're
99:43gonna like reach the ceiling that they they can have like it has to go through jaylen waddle at some point Like
99:49i'm i i'm always stunned They did try he had more dropsies today unfortunately.
99:53Oh, no amazing Yes He's he's gotten some dropsies So on the five targets, I think maybe at least two of them
100:00Were drops So it's not good not good. It's not good all around good Not good you in this game though because
100:06justin herbert also sucks Uh, he throws for 121 yards one touchdown one interception Uh, no patrick sartan.
100:12I don't think riley moss played either one of the worst interceptions you're going to see all week where there's a flat
100:18defender And justin herbert throws it directly in him Directly between his numbers great placement But it's to the other team Uh,
100:25the only positive from this game is that Kamani vidal takes a touchdown 42 yards He gets to the edge Breaks a
100:31few tackles And he's off to the races So Legitimately that is something that a martin hampton has not done in You
100:38know eight months Uh keaton mitchell I'm not gonna say breaks a lot of tackles.
100:42He is what he is He's fast to the sideline and that's about it So matt, I do wonder at some point
100:49if we get to the kamani vidal is the answer between Amar and hampton versus keaton mitchell Yeah, I had one of
100:55my buddies text me today I think that's ghastly decisions and I probably shouldn't have been You know gallivanting around europe during
101:02the offseason Maybe should have been locked in on the new offense I don't know something to something to talk about there
101:08But they they also have just a true preseason roster out there at the offensive line And then all of the receivers
101:15are injured even trey harris coming in this game as the number one like Oh, let's see what he's got.
101:21He gets hurt in here theo weiss You know mvs.
101:24Who's always the it's again. It's not mvs's fault But he's always the target on these disgusting interceptions for justin herbert.
101:30So Yeah, it's just it's all bad in los angeles right now Yeah, hayden your namesake gets the touchdown uh Hayden Rucci
101:36He didn't rucci Oh, this is news to me Hell yeah, hell yeah.
101:40That's a big guy right there Yeah, um But so this tweet says that lad mcdonkey was actually yeah, I mean he
101:47i don't think he had a helmet He he just wore shoulder pads and looked like he was uh One of the
101:53injured players in high school football, but just wanted to you know show off his jersey number.
101:58That's it Jim harbaugh by the way every time the media talks to him He's just like he's more and more clueless about what's going on here.
102:06So yeah, it's it's over for these guys For a guy that like had shown so much fire During his time as
102:13an nfl coach both the 49ers and the chargers Uh, he just seems super annoyed whenever his team comes off the field
102:19and all these mistakes like there's very little energy Exuding from a guy that has been all energy during his entire tenure.
102:26Okay, we'll close by just asking the questions of the new york jets and the cleveland browns I'm actually looking forward to
102:32going back and Going through this game because we get braillen allen for 116 and a score we get garrett wilson for
102:39seven for 104 And a touchdown we get denzel boston with an awesome 29 yard touchdown post down the field Um, unfortunately
102:45isaiah bond is the one with three catches for 74 yards and I also saw that quinchon judkins left With a walking
102:52boot after just going 14 carries for 44 yards hate Yeah, also Unfortunately, you're gonna have to fast forward through the first
102:58couple plays casey concepcion got absolutely obliterated by Minka fitzpatrick for like obvious concussion like that was that was I thought you
103:05know borderline Dirty ball because they were they're kind of like bickering before that play on top of that so Truly hate
103:11to see that and then with the quinchon. We just don't know There's there's a lot of like, you know, like precautionary
103:18boots, but you know, you don't like to see the boot Uh on a player coming back from injury already So this
103:24game was supposed to be pretty rainy and stuff.
103:27I didn't see too much of it But the guys that we needed to to score fantasy points mostly did At one
103:33point I did see a true puddle on the field So it was definitely rainy conditions, but denzel boston is is awesome
103:40Isaiah bond is not awesome He left a lot of plays on the field even though he had a couple of uh
103:46ones here But yeah, denzel boston just a true stud his touchdown was pretty sweet All right That does it If you
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104:22story It's a long story All right, thank you all for watching And to jb as well Up the bell everyone talk to you guys soon.
104:29See ya