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Fantasy Football Week 4 Recap - Winners Only Club

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1 hr 37 min
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Oct 5, 2026
Published
Mon, October 5, 2026
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Nico CollinsC.J. StroudBo NixChase BrownEmanuel WilsonGeorge KittleGeorge PickensJa'Marr ChaseJustin HerbertKeaton MitchellKenneth Walker IIIKimani VidalMakai LemonParker Washington
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Bo Nix

NegativeProjection42:23

Bo Nix's time to throw on non-screen targets behind the line of scrimmage is 2.8 seconds, which the source characterizes as extremely fast and problematic; typical NFL standards require at least three seconds for plays to develop. This quick release forces checkdowns and limits explosive plays downfield, creating a frustrating offensive environment. When Nix does let plays develop, scrambles often result in minimal gain.

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NegativeProjection46:01

Through four weeks, Bo Nix is one of the most frustrating quarterbacks to watch in the NFL; the source had hoped his arrival would coincide with a leap in performance, but he has underperformed expectations.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

PositiveProjection36:40

Brian Thomas Jr. scored a touchdown thanks to Parker Washington pulling two defenders away, leaving Thomas wide open in the back of the end zone; this demonstrates his ability to benefit from schematic advantages and teammate creation.

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Bucky Irving

NegativeRole33:20

The source worries that Bucky Irving is entering a boom-bust running back two phase; specifically concerned that Dak Prescott's surgical passing style is a bad matchup for Todd Bowles' defense, allowing the Cowboys to control the game and limit Irving's opportunities.

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C.J. Stroud

NegativeProjection0:35

CJ Stroud completed 347 passing yards with two touchdowns in Week 4 loss to Dallas Cowboys; performance was solid but insufficient to prevent 0-4 record for Texans.

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PositiveProjection5:36

Averaging 285 yards per game with zero interceptions on the season despite the Texans being 0-4 and playing without Nico Collins for most of the season; has played pretty well overall, though second-half performance has been affected by needing to press after first-half struggles.

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PositiveProjection10:04

The source states that Stroud has had a pretty good season this year, and with Nico Collins in the lineup, the Texans can put up some points; this supports continued fantasy production from Stroud despite offensive line concerns.

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CeeDee Lamb

PositiveProjection7:11

Can make an argument for being right on the door of top five to top eight overall asset; benefited from Texans shading safety coverage toward George Pickens, leaving Lamb with single coverage and nobody standing next to him for the entire game.

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Chase Brown

NegativeUsage25:49

Chase Brown had eight catches heading into Week 4 against Jacksonville and recorded 11 catches in the game, showing increased receiving volume; however, he could not get going in the rushing game at all, limiting his overall production despite the pass-catching opportunity.

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NegativeUsage45:49

Chase Brown couldn't get going in the rushing game but caught 11 passes for 71 yards, continuing his receiving role; he had 8 catches heading into the game.

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Chris Rodriguez

PositiveProjection37:04

Chris Rodriguez scored a 25-yard touchdown in a game where Dexter Lawrence was not on the field for one snap, suggesting opportunity exists for the Jaguars' backup running back when the defense is not fully deployed.

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Christian McCaffrey

PositiveUsage40:00

CMC took over the 49ers' drive to push the team to a 17-6 lead in the late fourth quarter with long, consistent, solid sustaining runs, ultimately punching it into the end zone. This demonstrates his role as the team's primary ball-carrier in crucial moments.

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Courtland Sutton

NegativeProjection45:11

Sutton's production has become inconsistent and unreliable; the source expected him to be a consensus WR2 on a weekly basis given the Broncos' play-action scheme and route design, but he oscillates between 100-yard touchdown games and two-catch, 27-yard performances. While still a WR2, he's unlikely to be a big win at his fourth-round draft cost given the offense's dysfunction.

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Cyrus Allen

NegativeRole30:58

Has been down the pecking order despite showing man-to-man coverage ability; lost offseason time and fell behind in training camp, which may explain limited involvement; the source suggests a week of practice could increase his role.

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Dak Prescott

PositiveProjection0:35

Dak Prescott played composed football in Week 4 despite facing significant pressure from Will Anderson; Dallas' game plan involved chipping Anderson with tight ends and running backs while attacking the flats to C.D. Lamb against backup linebackers, which Prescott executed effectively.

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Darius Cooper

PositiveBreakout55:48

The source highlights Darius Cooper as the one backup receiver who produced, catching a touchdown on a defensive pass interference play and scoring another touchdown on a scramble drill where he hit the brakes in the back of the end zone; he was the only backup to make meaningful plays in an otherwise ineffective Eagles receiving corps.

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David Montgomery

NegativeRole6:45

Montgomery had 10 carries for 24 yards in Week 4 and did not score despite the Texans scoring 30 points and being favored. This marks back-to-back weeks where Woody Marks gets the rushing touchdown instead. The source notes Montgomery won't get every inside-the-10 carry this season and won't create explosive plays due to offensive line issues, recommending to 'sell low' on him.

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Deebo Samuel

PositiveRole39:03

Debo Samuel scored a receiving touchdown in Week 4 and was noted as looking 'pretty spry.' However, he is currently a max 75% player (not full-time) due to ongoing role limitations, with George Kittle running significantly more routes.

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Drake Maye

NegativeProjection48:28

Drake Maye finished with a monster game in Week 4 after looking unplayable earlier, throwing three touchdowns including a one-handed fade and a high-point skinny post. The source emphasizes there is no reason to think Maye would be QB1 in fantasy as of the recording, but he pulled away from Josh Allen in scrambling ability with 54 rushing yards. The source attributes the turnaround to his leg usage and the Patriots' offensive line performance.

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Emanuel Wilson

NegativeUsage64:06

Seahawks RB delivered 120 yards from scrimmage (81 rushing, 39 receiving) with two TDs against Chargers; received 75% of backfield touches. The source highlights strong tape: 3.5 yards after contact per rush, broke tackles, and made the most of lanes created by Seahawks OL. Chargers' light boxes (quarters coverage, cloud too high) gave him opportunities, but Wilson legitimately looked really good executing through contact, not just running through open lanes.

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PositiveUsage64:57

Received 75% of backfield touches in Week 4 against the Chargers; the source notes this was not a change-of-pace role but rather a workhorse opportunity. Wilson looked legitimately good on tape with strong rushing room from the Seahawks offensive line. With Jadarian Price out for at least four games and Zach Charbonnet still recovering from injury (one leg noticeably swollen), Wilson has a clear path to sustained volume in Seattle's offense as a sustaining-tempo runner.

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George Kittle

PositiveUsage39:03

Kittle led the 49ers in routes, playing 60 of 66 snaps (nearly every route) despite Mike Evans and Debo Samuel being max 75% players. He ripped off a 56-yard tight end screen catch-and-run in the final drive, showing explosive playmaking ability and full-time role security.

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PositiveProjection41:00

The source ranks Kittle as one of the best picks on the board rest of season, with Josh noting 'it really might be' that only one or two tight ends rank ahead of him. His combination of explosive plays, red zone work, and full-time role amid receiver injuries makes him a top-tier tight end projection.

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George Pickens

NegativeUsage0:57

George Pickens was not heavily relied upon in Week 4 against Dallas but drew some coverages and had some strong moments against Kamari Lasseter in limited role.

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NegativeMatchup6:41

Frustrating game against Texans defense; recorded only two catches for 75 yards despite drawing multiple defensive pass interference penalties in the end zone; Texans shaded safety coverage toward Pickens, leaving CeeDee Lamb open on the other side.

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J.K. Dobbins

NegativeRole43:03

J.K. Dobbins appears to be taking a step back in the Broncos' running game; the source notes the team cannot run the football effectively against an opponent they should be able to run on, citing both Dobbins' performance decline and offensive line underperformance as contributing factors.

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Ja'Marr Chase

NegativeInjury25:31

Jamar Chase suffered a concussion in Week 4 against Jacksonville after a violent hit; he caught the ball along the sideline with his face mask pulled, was held up off the ground by the defender, and then a Jaguars defender came up and delivered a hard hit that knocked him to the ground, described as an 'annihilation hit.'

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NegativeInjury35:18

Jamar Chase left the Bengals-Jaguars game in the first half with a concussion, removing the team's top receiver during a game where the Bengals were driving for a potential win.

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Jalen Hurts

NegativeProjection61:44

The source emphasizes that Jalen Hurts did not make any plays by himself and did not do much with his surroundings despite the Eagles needing him to elevate the offense; the source frames this as a product of his surroundings not being good, but notes that Hurts failed to elevate the backup receivers and offensive line.

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Jalen Royals

NegativeRole48:42

Drew two targets and zero catches as Rashee Rice's replacement, demonstrating limited involvement and role clarity in the Chiefs' passing attack despite being inserted into the lineup.

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Javonte Williams

PositiveUsage1:05

Javante Williams scored multiple touchdowns in Week 4 against Houston, serving as the primary goal-line back for Dallas.

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Jerry Jeudy

PositiveValue49:15

The source believes there is still a useful player in Judy despite recent perception swings from overrated to widely disliked; he's a better man-coverage receiver and could fit Kansas City's need for a man-beater who can run breaking routes, digs, posts, and over routes on play action—exactly what the Chiefs' explosive-play hunting offense requires.

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Joe Burrow

NegativeProjection35:18

Joe Burrow threw for 428 yards but the Bengals lost to Jacksonville; he had two rough interceptions described as the two worst plays of the day, limiting his fantasy value despite the yardage total.

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Joe Mixon

NegativeRole66:21

The source reports that Joe Mixon visited the Seahawks before their Week 4 game against the Chargers. When asked if he should sign with Seattle, the source advises Mixon to 'look elsewhere,' stating the Seahawks 'don't need' him given Emmanuel Wilson's strong performance and the team's apparent satisfaction with their current backfield. This suggests limited opportunity for Mixon in Seattle.

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Jordan Love

NegativeUsage11:01

Jordan Love was 18 of 20 on passes under 10 air yards and didn't get much going downfield against Tampa Bay's vulnerable defense; the source found this surprising given the Buccaneers' defensive voids and noted some plays were left on the field, suggesting underutilization of deep opportunities.

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Josh Allen

NegativeUsage50:58

Josh Allen had not as much scrambling around in Week 4 compared to Drake Maye, who pulled away with superior leg usage. The source contrasts the two quarterbacks' mobility in the Patriots-Bills game, noting Maye's rushing yards and scrambling ability as a differentiator.

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Josh Jacobs

NegativeUsage12:03

Josh Jacobs was useful as a receiver in the Packers backfield split, suggesting pass-catching value in the committee approach.

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Justin Herbert

NegativeRole61:40

Herbert was the Chargers' most useful rusher in Week 4 on scrambles, highlighting the offensive line's struggles and the team's inability to establish a functional run game. The source notes Herbert is making really stupid mistakes and is 100% part of the problem, compounding the team's offensive woes.

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NegativeProjection64:57

Threw two interceptions in Week 4 against the Seahawks, including one on the first play of the game. The source characterizes these as 'dumbest interceptions you could possibly throw,' noting they were worse than an interception he threw the previous week against Buffalo. This pattern of poor decision-making and turnover-prone play suggests ongoing concerns about Herbert's consistency and reliability.

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Keaton Mitchell

PositiveRole61:31

Mitchell gave the Chargers a spark in the second half and Jim Harbaugh indicated the backfield committee approach is how he envisions the offense going forward. Mitchell is receiving design first-read target opportunities from the backfield, suggesting an emerging pass-game role alongside his rushing work.

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NegativeUsage66:51

Had 10 carries for 39 yards in Week 4 against the Seahawks, leading the Chargers backfield in carry count. Despite the highest touch volume among the three-back committee (Hampton 9 carries, Vidal 5 carries), Mitchell's yardage output was modest. Head coach Jim Harbaugh confirmed the committee approach is intentional, suggesting Mitchell will remain part of a rotation rather than a workhorse role.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveValue7:22

If you drafted both CeeDee Lamb and Kenneth Walker, your team looks pretty strong right now; pairing these two assets was absolutely possible this season.

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PositiveUsage47:27

Kenneth Walker III had an explosive performance against the Raiders, including a 76-yard run in the first three quarters and a 21-yard touchdown run; he scored twice in the game as the Chiefs' primary ball carrier in a high-scoring affair.

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Kimani Vidal

PositiveRole61:31

Vidal is emerging as the red zone punch-in back in the Chargers' committee approach, scoring a receiving touchdown in Week 4. He's taking the goal-line carries and receiving opportunities that were previously expected to go to Hampton, establishing a defined role in the backfield.

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NegativeUsage66:51

Had 5 carries for 25 yards in Week 4 against the Seahawks, receiving the fewest touches among the three-back Chargers committee (Hampton 9 carries, Mitchell 10 carries). Jim Harbaugh's post-game comments endorsing the committee approach suggest Vidal will remain a depth piece rather than a featured back.

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Makai Lemon

NegativeRole60:07

The source notes that Makai Lemon, a first-round rookie pick, did not produce explosive plays; he had a third-down slot curl on the perimeter but nothing explosive overall, reflecting limited impact in the game.

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NegativeRole60:07

First-round rookie has a role in the offense but hasn't delivered explosive plays; had a third-down slot role with curl routes on the perimeter, but his biggest play was nothing in a game where he should have gone crazy. The source notes he doesn't look unacceptable but hasn't capitalized on opportunities.

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MarShawn Lloyd

NegativeUsage12:03

Marshawn Lloyd led the Packers backfield with 48% of running back touches but didn't get anything going on the ground, indicating volume without production; the source notes the backfield was a true split with no clear fantasy winner.

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Matthew Golden

PositiveUsage11:51

Matthew Golden had a pretty nice leaping catch in the end zone, demonstrating red zone involvement and scoring ability for the Packers.

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Mecole Hardman

NegativeRole32:26

The source questions whether Mecole Hardman can be called a wide receiver three, noting that while he looks good on tape and is separating, he is running long-developing big over routes that Jalen Daniels is not hitting consistently; this limits his fantasy viability despite his talent.

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Mike Evans

NegativeRole40:00

Mike Evans had one big catch in the 49ers' late fourth quarter drive but is currently a max 75% player (not full-time), limiting his overall role and target volume despite occasional explosive plays.

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Mike Washington Jr.

NegativeRole50:51

Shared early snap count with Ashton Gentry (nine snaps each in first three series) and appeared to be the primary ball carrier in the early game, but Gentry took over as the lead back after halftime, suggesting a potential shift in the Raiders' backfield hierarchy.

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Mitchell Tinsley

PositiveBreakout45:33

Mitchell Tinsley, like Dante Myers, made major downfield catches in the Bengals game, emerging as a potential receiving option alongside Myers.

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Nico Collins

PositiveRole0:39

Nico Collins' return from injury had immediate impact in Week 4; he recorded 7 receptions for 118 yards and 2 touchdowns, demonstrating the trickle-down effect of his presence on the Texans offense and validating his status as a key target.

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PositiveRole6:00

Collins was relentless in Week 4 with multiple explosive plays including a 45-yard in-cut touchdown, screen pass, and third-and-two slot breaker in the fourth quarter. The source emphasizes the Texans offense cannot move the ball in any other capacity—it's literally just him—making him a strong play moving forward.

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PositiveProjection8:33

Relentless performance in first game back from injury; recorded 45-yard in-cut touchdown in man coverage, screen pass touchdown, and third-and-two slot breaker in fourth quarter; source feels very good about Collins moving forward because the Texans offense cannot move the ball in any other capacity.

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PositiveRole9:14

Nico Collins is characterized as a trickle-down player for the Texans offense, with the source noting that the Texans offense can turn around now that Collins is in the lineup; this suggests increased offensive efficiency and opportunity for Collins going forward.

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Parker Washington

NegativeMatchup23:23

Parker Washington lined up in the slot approximately 46 percent of snaps against the Bengals but was shadowed by DJ Turner; however, the source notes this was partly due to the Bengals running heavy 12 personnel with tight ends like Nate Borkercher, leaving Washington on the outside seeing Turner. The Bengals defense allowed the most fantasy points to tight ends (21 per game) last year and repeated that pattern, with tight ends open over the middle of the field as the first read, limiting Washington's opportunities despite his slot alignment.

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NegativeUsage36:47

Parker Washington finished with just one catch for seven yards despite his role in creating space for Brian Thomas Jr.'s touchdown; he also had a nearly big catch between two defenders that he couldn't corral, a regression from his performance in the opening three weeks of the season.

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Patrick Mahomes

PositiveProjection47:27

Patrick Mahomes displayed his best downfield passing in a very long time against the Raiders, connecting on multiple explosive plays including a 55-yard reception to Tyquan Thornton, a 42-yard out-and-up, and a 41-yard shot to Xavier Worthy; he finished 15 of 30 for 225 yards and two touchdowns despite facing consistent pressure from the Raiders defense.

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Rachaad White

NegativeProjection37:10

Rashaad White had another nearly day with two touchdowns called back—one for a 45-yard hold against Ezra Cleveland and another goal-line touchdown also negated for holding—limiting his fantasy production despite offensive opportunities.

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Rashee Rice

NegativeInjury48:28

Rashee Rice left early in the Chiefs-Raiders game with a hamstring injury; given his history of lower-half injuries, the source assumes this will sideline him for multiple weeks.

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NegativeInjury48:33

Suffered a hamstring injury on a seven-yard catch in the open field early in the game; the source assumes it will sideline him for multiple weeks, creating significant uncertainty around the Chiefs' passing attack depth.

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Rashid Shaheed

NegativeRole65:52

Scored a rushing touchdown in Week 4 via a design play where he was lined up in the backfield. The source notes this is likely not a consistent role for Shaheed and cautions that if you started him, you 'got away with one.' Shaheed and Tori Horton are being used as emerging weapons in the Seahawks offense, but Shaheed's primary role remains as a receiver rather than a backfield runner.

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RJ Harvey

NegativeUsage41:52

RJ Harvey posted 10 receptions for 68 yards in a Broncos offense the source described as 'sickening' and 'outrageous' to watch. Despite making a couple of plays with the ball in his hands and getting good yardage on at least one play, his production was underwhelming in an offense that struggled for most of the game before coming alive in the fourth quarter.

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NegativeUsage42:04

RJ Harvey is receiving an excessive volume of checkdowns from Bo Nix; the source notes he is getting 'checked down after checked down after checked down' with minimal opportunity for plays to develop downfield. While Harvey has made some plays with the ball in his hands and gained yardage, the offensive scheme limits his upside significantly.

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Romeo Doubs

NegativeUsage52:00

Romeo Dobbs scored two touchdowns in Week 4 on fade and post routes, which are more downfield routes. The source notes Dobbs has been sneaky misused as a vertical threat, receiving only 27% go routes in the first three weeks of the season. Both Week 4 touchdowns came on routes outside the quick out variety, suggesting improved route diversity and downfield opportunity from Drake Maye.

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Sam Darnold

NegativeProjection65:13

Threw an interception on the second play of the game in Week 4 against the Chargers, immediately after Justin Herbert's first-play interception. The source groups this with Herbert's turnovers as part of a chaotic game script, suggesting both quarterbacks struggled with decision-making early in the contest.

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Saquon Barkley

NegativeInjury62:29

The source notes that Saquon Barkley left the game immediately after the Eagles' ground game struggles, particularly on third-and-two plays where the offense was forced into horizontal runs instead of running up the middle; this reflects both his absence and the backup running back ineffectiveness.

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NegativeInjury62:29

After four weeks, Barkley's season has been derailed by injury timing and volume loss despite showing explosiveness when given good blocking. Week 2: sidelined on first carry with stinger, missed goal-line TD; Week 3: 73 rushing yards in first half before defense got steamrolled and he was phased out; Week 4: hamstring injury after three touches. The source characterizes this as an egregiously bad run, noting the hamstring injury looks like a multi-week issue and that early-game injuries are worse for fantasy than zeros.

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Tee Higgins

NegativeInjury25:15

Tee Higgins suffered a groin/adductor injury during Week 4 against Jacksonville; he made an awesome toe-tapping grab for his 10th catch of the game on the sideline, then immediately grabbed his groin. He returned two series later, but the injury has already been reported as an adductor strain that could be a multi-week issue.

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NegativeInjury35:29

Tee Higgins suffered a groin injury after an otherwise productive performance, catching 11 passes for 157 yards in the Bengals' loss to Jacksonville; the injury status going forward is unclear from the source.

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Tory Horton

PositiveRole65:52

Scored on a quick slant route at the goal line in Week 4. The source describes Horton as a really talented player who has been hampered by injury availability. The Seahawks are actively trying to get emerging weapons like Horton and Rashid Shaheed involved in the offense, suggesting increased opportunity as the season progresses and if health permits.

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Travis Kelce

NegativeProjection48:50

Finished with two catches for 15 yards, a significant decline from his typical production; the source notes this wasn't close to what was seen before, suggesting defensive game-planning is slowing down the Chiefs' passing attack.

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Tucker Kraft

NegativeUsage11:42

Tucker Kraft dropped a touchdown in the first play of the second quarter but eventually scored later in the game, indicating red zone involvement and scoring opportunity despite the early drop.

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Tyquan Thornton

NegativeInjury47:54

Tyquan Thornton suffered an ankle dislocation on a hip drop tackle and is expected to be out for the season; he had been the Chiefs' best downfield receiver since Tyreek Hill's departure, recording explosive plays including a 55-yard reception and a 42-yard out-and-up before the injury.

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Woody Marks

PositiveRole7:15

Marks scored a rushing touchdown in Week 4 after being subbed in at the six-yard line, marking back-to-back weeks with a rushing touchdown. This is the second consecutive week he has outscored David Montgomery in the red zone, suggesting an emerging role in goal-line situations.

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NegativeUsage7:32

Did not go anywhere in the entire game against the Texans; part of Cowboys running back struggles in this matchup.

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Xavier Worthy

NegativeRole48:13

Currently part of a very limited receiver rotation for the Chiefs alongside Cyrus Allen and Jalen Royals; the source questions whether this trio is sufficient as the team's top target options, suggesting potential need for external receiver help.

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PositiveRole48:21

Xavier Worthy received a 41-yard shot downfield in isolated one-on-one coverage against the Raiders; with Tyquan Thornton out for the season and Rashee Rice dealing with a hamstring injury, Worthy is positioned as a primary receiving option for the Chiefs.

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Zach Ertz

NegativeRole59:09

The source emphasizes that the Eagles offense needed Zach Ertz to make plays on multiple critical situations (third and four, fourth down at the two-yard line) but Ertz could not deliver; this reflects both his limited impact in the game and the Eagles' offensive struggles with backup receivers and tight ends.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Oh yes! Welcome to the week four game by game recap and what a Sunday it was.
0:05For 75% of you, Vikings kicker Will Reichard might have been your highest scoring player, but if not, that means you actually
0:11had a very, very good fantasy week. And gentlemen, I think there are three, four, no teams left in the NFL depending
0:18on, you know, Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football.
0:21However, the 0-4 teams, a couple of them, might actually be the more notable and shocking developments that we have here.
0:27And Hayden, let's kick off with one of those as Houston Texans fall to 0-4 on the season as they lose 34-30 to the Dallas Cowboys.
0:35I mean, I'm looking at this box score. CJ Stroud, 347 yards, two scores.
0:39Nico Collins, the trickle down effect is real. Seven receptions, 118 yards and two scores.
0:43And yet, Hayden, is this the best game C.D.
0:46Lamb has ever played? 21 targets, 17 receptions, 89 yards and one touchdown.
0:50C.D. Lamb's now on pace for 2,116 receiving yards through four games here.
0:53This was sensational game planning by the Dallas Cowboys.
0:56Going into this one, I've been noticing that the Texans, like, middle of the field play has been kind of more busty.
1:02And, like, Kamari Lasseter was struggling in one-on-one situations.
1:05And in this game, C.D. Lamb played a season-high 38% of his snaps inside the slot, including the game winner, where he
1:12got open on a little skinny post against Jalen Petrie.
1:14On that play, like, floor noise, he's being sacrificed to Derek Stingley.
1:18There was a couple of explosives from C.D. Lamb here.
1:21Like, he had, like, a 30-yard play. But as you can see here, almost all of his damage was just quick throws
1:27underneath, and those linebackers weren't making plays. The safeties were missing some tackles here.
1:31So I thought C.D. Lamb played excellent football, as he typically does.
1:35Dak Prescott knew that he was going to be under duress for a lot of this game.
1:40I saw lots of chippings from tight ends and running backs here.
1:43But the game plan was chip Will Anderson, throw the ball into the flats to C.D.
1:48Lamb, and make these backups at linebacker make plays.
1:51And guess what? The Texans, the linebackers did not make plays.
1:54So I thought Dak Prescott played well, composed football.
1:57C.D. Lamb dominated his matchup. And then George Pickens wasn't relied on too much in this game.
2:02But he was drawing some coverages. He had some awesome moments against Lasseter.
2:05And then Javante Williams just plunged it in for a couple scores here.
2:09But the story of this game to me was just the C.D.
2:13Lamb slot work. And I thought that was a really good game plan by the Dallas Cowboys.
2:18Yeah, it feels like the story of this game was elite receivers on both sides of it, too.
2:23With Nico Collins coming back, that impact was immediate.
2:26I'll pull back the curtain here for the viewers and listeners.
2:29I totally thought this was one of my games to watch, too.
2:32So I watched a good chunk of this one.
2:35You know, hey, if I can get a good wide receiver show out of it, I think I feel fine about that.
2:41But yeah, Hayden, I was going to echo a lot of your points about this Texans defense.
2:46Right now in today's NFL, like if you don't have the spine addressed, it is really hard to be the best defense in the NFL.
2:54And that is where the Texans find themselves. It's honestly where the Eagles find themselves, too.
2:58Those were consensus, like top three to five defenses in the league.
3:02I don't think either one of them has performed like that so far.
3:06Yeah, it stinks because I think Will Anderson is playing like an all pro still, maybe the best defensive player in the league.
3:13And yet the Texans are 0-4 and yet they aren't one of these teams that can totally like win a game for their offense.
3:20And the offense has needed that over the last couple of weeks.
3:23Now, sure, they only allowed 19 points in the Indianapolis Colts and then 20 points in Cincinnati Bengals.
3:28But we're seeing other defenses shut down opposition for 9, 7, 12 points, all that type of stuff.
3:34I mean, CJ Stroud has played pretty well. Yes.
3:36Hayden, he in first halves, I felt got passes on target and then second half kind of had to press and press and press.
3:43And maybe that's when some of the negatives happened.
3:46But where do the Texans go from here? And dare I say this might be the best 0-4 team of all time in the NFL?
3:53Well, with Nico Collins, sure. Like this team feels a lot different.
3:57I will say like they really do need their linebackers to play better.
4:01Kamari Lasseter was getting cooked by George Pickens. And obviously, if you started George Pickens, like you don't love the stat line, two catches, 75 yards.
4:08He drew a defensive pass interference, a couple of them in the end zone on top of that.
4:14And there was I was listening to some of the Cowboys reporters who were there.
4:18And they were saying that the Texans were kind of shading the safety a little bit more towards the George Pickens side,
4:24which you felt that if you were watching the CeeDee Lamb because nobody was standing next to him for the entire game.
4:31So frustrating game for George Pickens. Once again, CeeDee Lamb, you can make an argument that he's he's right on the door
4:37of the top five, top eight overall asset. I definitely wanted like the guys you needed.
4:42If you if you did CeeDee Lamb, Kenneth Walker, your team looks pretty dang sweet right now.
4:47That was absolutely possible this season. Quickly on the Cowboys defense side, it was still a struggle for them.
4:52Not stopping the run. I mean, Montgomery and Woody Marks, we don't have to talk about those guys.
4:58Didn't go anywhere this entire game. Well, we do.
5:00Yeah, well, we don't spend too much time. It's just not going to work.
5:05But the secondary has some issues. They were playing a guy, Reddy Stewart, never heard of him.
5:09But I heard that name a million times in this game.
5:13He was in coverage against Nico Collins. The Caleb Downs messed up on the Nico Collins touchdown where Bland was playing outside leverage.
5:19And then Nico Collins busted it inside and Caleb Downs kind of in no man's land.
5:24So there's still lots of coverage bus. Jerron Bland in one on one situations.
5:28He was getting cooked by like Jalen Knoll. Obviously, Nico Collins got him a couple of times as well.
5:34So the Cowboys defense in the back back seven, like we should still feel very comfortable targeting against them.
5:39And the Texans offense, they really did move the ball at this point.
5:43CJ Stroud's averaging 285 yards per game. He does not have an interception on the season as well.
5:48And they're 0 and 4. And that was with some of the worst wide receiver play.
5:53Yeah, definitely. But no, no interceptions with some of the worst wide receiver play without Nico Collins in the second that he got in there.
6:0045 yard in cut the man coverage end zone touchdown.
6:03Versus Bland scrambled real touchdowns. He had a screen in there.
6:07Third and two slot in breaker in the fourth quarter.
6:10Like it was just relentless from Nico Collins. So I feel very good about Nico Collins moving forward just because this offense
6:16cannot move the ball in any other capacity. It's like it's literally just him.
6:20What a stud. What a stud. I will say because because this is my this is my beat.
6:25This is my corner. Jalen Knoll has the explosive play 50 yard reception on the out and up early in this game.
6:32And I joked on Twitter like now it's time to make sure he never sees another target the rest of the game.
6:38It took until the freaking fourth quarter for him to get another target, which was just again another explosive play 20 plus
6:45yards over the middle of the field. I joked with Nate on the forecast this week that like Noel must be smoking
6:51cigs and falling asleep in meetings because otherwise I have no idea why this guy's not more involved.
6:56He did actually run a route though on 72 or 73 percent of the dropbacks, which was a career high for him
7:03and it was much more skewed toward the second half.
7:06He was over 80 percent in the second half.
7:08So I did hear Nick Caley say like, oh, we want to keep getting him work like we want to keep getting him involved.
7:16We're not we're not upset with him or anything.
7:18So again, I think he's a good player that that could actually help this team, but we'll see.
7:23Yeah, to your point. He also had a kick return on for Jalen Knoll that went for an explosive there as well.
7:30And Josh just quickly on the running backs. It was the same rotation as usual.
7:34David Montgomery actually awesome play late in the game.
7:37It was a hook and ladder. I forget who caught the ball.
7:40Somebody in the flat in David Montgomery that goes through the B gap and catches like the the hook and ladder for
7:47I think it's what like 13 or 19 yards.
7:49And then after that play, Woody Marks gets subbed in at the six yard line.
7:54He scores the touchdown. It's largely the same split here.
7:57But like if you thought that David Montgomery is going to get every inside the 10 yard line carry this season, like
8:03you're just wrong and he's not going to create any explosives this season because the offensive line is in the shape that it is.
8:10So I don't know what you do with David Montgomery.
8:13Like I would sell low. Honestly, like I don't know how this gets turned around really.
8:18Yeah, that's back to back weeks where Woody Marks is a rushing touchdown and Dave Montgomery does not have one.
8:24Again, we would think in a game where they score 30 points and they were favorites heading into it that that on paper was a Dave Montgomery game.
8:32But even here again, 10 carries for 24 yards, simply not good enough.
8:36They do have the Tennessee Titans next week. They're going to be favored in that game.
8:40So again, you might go back to the well, but at the same time, this Titans rush defense has been quite good with Jeffrey Simmons and company.
8:48And then after that, like, Hey, you simply can't play him against a team like Jacksonville Jaguars.
8:53It's gotten to that point. Like he farted in the end zone three times in week one.
8:58Ever since then, uh, he barely has, you know, three carries of eight yards or more, if that.
9:04So, uh, this is just where we're at. I think with the scene, Hey, and final question to you, we can say
9:10that, Hey, this Texans defense can turn around and will Anderson is a great player.
9:14And you know, this Texans offense can turn around now that Nico Collins is a trickle down player for them.
9:20Um, I'm looking at Owen for, I know they have some favorable teams coming up on the schedule with the Titans, the
9:27giants, the chargers, the Browns, et cetera, et cetera.
9:29But do you think that Kaylee makes it for the entire season?
9:33I don't know what Nick Kaylee did wrong in this game, to be honest.
9:37Like, I mean, he got Nico Collins, the ball Jalen Noel had a couple of, a couple of explosives.
9:43I like them sticking with, with him in part of the lineup.
9:46I mean, he, he, you can only do so much with this offensive line, you know?
9:51And I think that's where it's more of like the, the whole leadership of the Houston Texans.
9:56This has been a problem for four straight years.
9:58I mean, like how, like truly how much longer could we actually survive by, by playing this way?
10:04I think Stroud's had a pretty good season this year.
10:07And with Nico Collins going like this team can put up some points, uh, luckily, you know, like they're in a division
10:13where they can kind of get back into things, but it's most likely going to be a wild card at, at this point.
10:20So like you need to like teams like the Broncos losing close games is that's who they're going to be competing against to sneak back in here.
10:28Luckily that, you know, the Titans are really bad.
10:30The Colts have been very up and down, uh, but they really need their linebackers to get healthy.
10:36And their corner has got to play like shutdown corners.
10:39And like this year they, they have not. All right, Matt, speaking of offensive lineman, let's talk about the green Bay Packers
10:45as they go into Tampa Bay and beat the bucks.
10:4817, 14, the bucks were, I'm not gonna say a trendy NFC South champion pick, but they certainly had a lot of favorites out there.
10:55Uh, they are Owen four on the season and they bring in Jalen Daniels.
10:59I can't wait to hear how he looks after one touchdown, two reception, three sacks taken in 148 yards.
11:05But let's first talk about the Packers. Okay. 197 yards, two touchdowns for Jordan love one interception and zero sacks taken.
11:11Was this, Hey, let's just do enough and get out of here with this one.
11:16Yeah. I mean, kind of Jordan love was 18 to 20 on passes of under 10 air yards.
11:21Uh, he actually didn't really get anything going down the field, which I thought was surprising because this bucks defense is pretty vulnerable.
11:28Um, and you know, they've left a lot of voids down the field for quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson and the like this year.
11:34So I was a little bit surprised about that.
11:37Um, some plays left on the field too. They had a really frustrating goal line sequence.
11:42Uh, the first play of the second quarter, Tucker craft drops a touchdown.
11:45Uh, he eventually did score later in the game, but, uh, he dropped touchdown there and then they just could not get
11:52in on the goal line until Matthew golden finally had like a pretty nice leaping catch, uh, along the, in the end zone there.
11:59But the run game actually was significantly better for green Bay in this game.
12:03I mean, it was a true split backfield. So I don't actually know if there's a real fantasy winner here.
12:09Um, because it was truly split kind of all over the place.
12:12Marshawn Lloyd ends up leading the way in terms of touches 48% of the running back touches, but he didn't get anything going on the ground.
12:20Johnny was useful as a receiver. Whereas meanwhile, Caleb Johnson had some nice runs, uh, kind of up the gut there.
12:26Like Vita Veya was off the field and he had his longest run then, but, uh, then he also fumbled in this game.
12:33Chris Brooks had a couple of nice moments. So again, I don't think we can come out of it being like, Ooh, the Packers run game.
12:41Now we might want to start these guys in fantasy.
12:43Cause it was just a true, true split. But you know, Lake and Tomlinson at least being in the mix at guard
12:50was a welcome site considering some of the other things they've rotated in and out this year.
12:55Tucker crafts made so many like kind of just knucklehead moments to see is obviously that drop touchdown, uh, was pretty killer,
13:01but it was able to get in. Like you said, uh, was there anything different about like how they were utilizing him?
13:08I've seen seven, uh, targets in this one, Christian Watson with only three and he's, he's going to be like one of
13:14the tight ends that I've had a difficult time ranking every single week because I know he has way more potential and
13:21like yards after catch ability than what he's shown this season.
13:24So like, I'm hoping that we're like getting back to the point where we can trust Tucker craft as a top 10 option.
13:31Yeah. The touchdown was frustrating, but otherwise he did have, um, and it was all a lot of like short stuff, which is a little bit skewed.
13:39Cause of course he's getting usage around the goal line, but seven yards after catch per reception, there was at least some
13:45moments where he looked a little bit more like Tucker craft.
13:48And I think the drop just might be one of those, Hey, he hasn't practiced a ton.
13:53He's not totally in rhythm, just fluky stuff for him.
13:56Cause this is usually a guy in his first few seasons in the NFL who like never dropped passes.
14:02And he's made a few mistakes each of the last few weeks.
14:05Matt, to your point, a 31 yard run against this bucks front with Vita Bay by Caleb Johnson and a 27 yard
14:12run by Chris Brooks, who I think I saw a Packers fan referred to him as a left guard wearing number 30,
14:18which I thought was a very apt, uh, note for what Chris Brooks's role has been all season long.
14:24Yeah. And then there we have it. Marshawn Lloyd, the seven carries and a long gain of five.
14:29So, um, I I'm intrigued to see if the Packers make any moves here.
14:33Tony Pollard's name was mentioned by Adam Schefter, uh, during Sunday morning.
14:37Um, because something has to change. I think for this team to be somewhat balanced because I know they only allowed 14
14:43points, but right now the defense isn't good enough.
14:46And Micah Parsons isn't going to come back till November.
14:49And then the passing game can be, uh, but yet there's zero rushing attack to counts balances the entire thing out for a team that loves play action.
14:57I'm just quoting what a quote on the Packers issue of fumbling.
15:00A great teacher is the bench. Uh, I mean, I guess we'll find out.
15:04Yeah, it was really unfortunate for Caleb Johnson. He fumbled in the low red zone when, and I did think he had a couple of nice moments.
15:12Like I mentioned his, his one long run did come.
15:15My, I'm pretty sure when Vita Veya was off the field, which may have something to do with it because otherwise they
15:22didn't get a ton going up the gut. But yeah, Marshall Lloyd at least did have a sweet hurdle in this game.
15:28So, you know, if you, uh, if you want to go back and watch those highlights after you drafted him over the
15:35summer to make yourself feel a little bit better, you can do that.
15:38Okay, Matt, I'm going to send it right back to you with the box here.
15:43Jalen Daniels undrafted free agent wins the second quarterback job out of camp.
15:47I mean, that's an incredible story in itself. I didn't watch a single snap of him playing here, but I know people
15:53who drafted him, Mekka Bukasi, four targets, two receptions, 13 yards.
15:56So what did this passing attack look like with Jalen Daniels?
16:00I mean, there was just absolutely nothing going on downfield.
16:02Uh, he completed two passes, uh, past 10 air yards in this game.
16:06Pretty much everything. He only attempted, I think about maybe five of those anyways.
16:10It was a lot of short, get the ball out.
16:13Um, you're going to see a lot more Kate Otten in the box score that you probably bargained for in this one.
16:20Kate Otten also had an, like a pretty ugly drop too, uh, where he could have, that would, might've been one of
16:26the longer like catch and run situations. But yeah, six targets for Kate Otten, seven for Chris Godwin.
16:31Chris Godwin, by the way, averaged 0.29 air yards per target.
16:35And it felt like that watching the game. So, you know, again, what do we make of Jalen Daniels?
16:40He was pressured almost half of his dropbacks in this one too, which I'm still like not quite sure what to make
16:47of the Buccaneers offensive line because they, they have not.
16:50And again, how much is this quarterback? How much is this a scheme?
16:53But it hasn't been what we bargained for to start this year.
16:57Some of these guys are losing just one-on-one situations, which I wasn't expecting.
17:01I was really excited about this offense because of the line.
17:04And that has been a disappointment. And so Jalen Daniels under pressure a ton here.
17:08Could some of that have been his work pre-snap?
17:11Maybe, but, um, for what he is an undrafted free agent, he definitely had, he, he, he did about as well as you possibly could have expected.
17:19And at least from, you know, if you're going to be like an absolute sick freak and super flex, he had a
17:25couple of moments where he got out there and boogied in the open field.
17:29So there's that. Yeah. I know we have some sick freaks that subscribe to the channel.
17:34So that's useful information. Um, I was looking like the Cowboys next.
17:38Interesting. Yeah. Those linebackers are still up and down.
17:40Um, both of the Mecca's screens or, uh, receptions were screens in this one.
17:44So it's, you know, we know what we're signing up for over there.
17:48Okay. Bucky Irving. I see, uh, leads the team in carries by a wide margin, but then I see the dreaded three
17:55carries for Sean Tucker with a touchdown there. What's the panic meter stuff on the Bucky Irving.
18:00We did mention the offensive line, not looking as great.
18:03The quarterback play. Now it is what it is.
18:05And now Sean Tucker is maybe sealing some goal line work.
18:08Like this has me pretty spooked. Yeah. Uh, offensive coordinator, Zach Robinson was asked about, or I don't even know if he was asked or unprompted brought up.
18:17Like we need to get Sean Tucker more work.
18:19And I saw a lot of people kind of like hand waving that away this week.
18:24Well, promises made promises kept, uh, cause he did plunge in the goal line touchdown here with inside the two yard line.
18:30Um, so that is definitely gotta be concerning for Bucky Irving.
18:34Uh, Kenny Gainwell also scored on a receiving touchdown here too.
18:37Um, Bucky ran more routes, but didn't get any targets.
18:40Whereas Kenny Gainwell got a few of the targets.
18:42So this is sort of that. Okay. This was the, the, the bad scenario for Bucky coming into the year where Gainwell
18:49is going to take some passing game work. And then Sean Tucker is going to take some goal line work.
18:55And it's tough guys, because I think Bucky has looked good and even had some good runs.
19:00And when he can especially get to the edge and run to the outside, he's had some really nice moments, but he
19:06also has made a ton of mistakes this year too, with like fumbles, some blown pass protection, some, some weird drops.
19:12It's kind of like three great plays for Bucky.
19:15And then the fourth one is a really frustrating mistake.
19:18So I can kind of understand maybe a coaching staff that is totally underwater is Owen for let's just, let's just throw
19:24something else against the wall and see what sticks.
19:27And that could be a negative for Bucky. Matt, you kind of mentioned it, but this team, the bucks have a quick turnaround for Thursday night.
19:35Football. It's on the road against the Cowboys. Look, we have stats versus film before then we have ranking shows before then, but where are you at?
19:43I'm starting these bucks teams, these bucks players against the defense like that.
19:46Is it, is it a Mekic Buka as a wide receiver three?
19:50Is it Bucky Irving as a running back too?
19:53Or is this, Hey, some of these really fringe flex decisions.
19:56I might lean towards a different quarterback and not rely on Jalen Daniels.
20:00Yeah. I also really worry that, I mean, the type of quarterback Jordan love is he's always going to kind of hunt for explosives.
20:07And, you know, obviously in this game, they don't find a ton of those, but I worry about the type of quarterback
20:13that Dak Prescott is, is, is a specifically bad matchup for a Todd Bowles defense where he can just be surgical and
20:19find the like Kirk cousins always would tear up this bucks defense.
20:23Cause he's really smart. Yeah. Just replaced a blitz.
20:26And like, he could do that all game. And I, that would make me a little nervous for Bucky Irving, who I
20:32do think now is entering that boom bust running back two phase.
20:36And for a Mecca book, I, can you even call him a wide receiver three?
20:40Like, I think he looks good. I think he looks good on tape.
20:44He's like, he's separating, but he is also running these long developing big over routes.
20:48And just based on what we saw today, Jalen Daniels is not going to hit those consistently.
20:53Certainly. I mean, I think it's probably a bit of a wash like Packers defense, Cowboys defense.
20:58I would probably expect more of the same, but a book is a talented player that can certainly get through, but I
21:05don't even know that I would call him a wide receiver three at this point.
21:09Meanwhile, the Packers have the bears next. So can't wait for that conversation and that game coming up.
21:14All right. I'll take it next. Jacksonville Jaguars 22 Cincinnati Bengals 17.
21:18Joe Burrow throws for 428 yards and the Bengals lose.
21:21Why? Well, the Bengals only ran for 23 yards in this game.
21:24Jamar Chase left in the first half with a concussion and then driving to win the game.
21:29They get to the plus 45. But T Higgins is out with a groin injury after catching 11 passes for 157 yards in this contest.
21:37And then Joe Burrow had two rough interceptions, which were easy, like the two worst plays of the day for him.
21:43Conversely, the Jaguars leading receiver was Britain strange with 95 yards on seven targets, including a clutch third and eight to set
21:49up what turned out to be the game winning touchdown.
21:52I think we can copy and paste that middle of the field tied in targets against this Bengals defense until they show us that they can stop it.
22:00Brian Thomas Jr. Popped up with a touchdown thanks to Parker Washington literally pulling two defenders away wide open in the back.
22:07P wash, unfortunately for us, finishes with just one catch for seven yards.
22:11That catch was initially ruled a 39 yard gain, but he stepped out of bounds and he also had a nearly big
22:17catch between two defenders, but couldn't corral it like he had kind of been doing in the opening three weeks of the season.
22:24Just keep going with this. I mean, it was a weird contest in that Chris Rodriguez scored a 25 yard touchdown.
22:30Like the one snap that Dexter Lawrence was not on the field, but Basial Tootin had another nearly day.
22:35I mean, two touchdowns called back one for 45 yards.
22:38It was a clear hold. Good call against Ezra Cleveland.
22:41And then another goal line touchdown. Also holding and called back.
22:45So yeah, I mean this Jaguars team, they are.
22:47We stop the run and we play to create turnovers on defense.
22:51And then we have enough pieces and good coaching to get it done despite some maybe offensive line issues up front.
22:57But again, they are three in one with some really tough games in their rearview mirror.
23:02I think the Bengals defense is just so fascinating.
23:04We see in the box score again. I was just looking at it last year.
23:09They allowed the most fancy points to tight ends at 21 per game to opposing tight ends.
23:14And then they were third best against fantasy wide receivers.
23:16And then exactly that happens once again. So is it like almost as simple as that on the Parker Washington stuff?
23:23I thought he was going to like, you know, evade DJ Turner and then be able to beat up on everybody else.
23:29But I guess if tight ends are open over the middle of the field all game long, like, you know, that's just
23:36going to be the first read on a lot of this stuff.
23:39Yeah, from what I could tell, we'll go through and stats for some.
23:43They ran a ton of 12 personnel like they were zooming in on Nate Borkercher and some of these other guys.
23:49Right. And so if that's the case, then P wash is lining up on on the outside and seeing DJ Turner.
23:55I mean, again, this Bengals team has definitely improved.
23:58I mean, they sack Trevor Lawrence four times and on the outside and the defensive line.
24:02They've invested so much. It truly has improved. But again, the linebackers and the safeties it Matt is not matching up with
24:09the talent and the elevation that the other units have for sure.
24:12Yeah. I just worry they're going to be one of those funnel defenses over the middle of the field.
24:18Yeah. I'll certainly be interested to see the Parker Washington like go back and watch that tape because you would think he's
24:24about 46 percent snaps in the slot here. You would think he would have avoided DJ Turner a good bit in this one.
24:31And also, this can just be as simple as like, hey, stuff happens unless you're and even frankly, this happens to the big boys at wide receiver.
24:39But Josh, like even if you're even like for anybody other than like the two or three best receivers in the league,
24:46you're going to have games like this. Like this is just part of it.
24:50I mean, I know people will be freaking out about it all week, you know, whining and crying.
24:55But like this is what happens to basically every wide receiver in the league.
24:59If you are a wide receiver to this happens, if you're a wide receiver three, this happens almost every week.
25:05It's very frequent. So, yeah, like you're saying, unless you're top five, top eight, then we're going to see some high variance
25:11in this to to your game just quickly on the Bengals.
25:15I mean, again, just so many injuries and the T Higgins thing.
25:18He had this awesome toe tapping grab for a 10 yard game, his 10th catch of the game on the sideline instantly grabs his groin.
25:25Somehow he comes in like two series later. It has already been reported that it's an adductor injury.
25:31And that might mean like a multi-week thing. Again, Jamar Chase, how he got his concussion is he had his jargon with
25:37the catch along the sideline, got his face mask pulled.
25:40And as he was getting pulled, he was kind of getting held up off the ground.
25:45And then a Jaguars defender just comes up and destroys him to the ground.
25:49I mean, annihilation hit. So that sucks. And then Chase Brown couldn't get going in the rushing game at all.
25:55But Chase Brown had eight catches heading into this game.
25:58And here he is for 11 catches for 71 yards.
26:01And then Mike Kosicki splits the safeties, catches three for 40 and a touchdown.
26:05And if one, one of T Higgins or Jamar Chase misses extended time, I'm picking up Mike Kosicki.
26:10If both miss, then I think Mike Kosicki Hayden is in me that flex conversation out there.
26:15I think that's interesting. I'm also looking up a player, Dante Myers.
26:18Nine targets go 7-42. I'm on, I got his Wikipedia open right now.
26:22Undrafted player. He went to Delta State. Delta State.
26:25Name the state. I don't know where Delta State is.
26:28And then he has been on the Saskatchewan Rough Riders for the last couple of years.
26:33And going into this game, I saw the local beat talking about him being like, they kind of really like this guy.
26:39And obviously with Yoshivosh sidelined as well, like he's going to be on the football field with Joe Burrow.
26:45But potentially this week without the top two wide receivers, like this is going to be something we're going to have to get right for the WaveWire show.
26:53Oh, this is actually one of the the best stories in the NFL and kind of Andrew Hawkins.
26:58Oh, in that, like you said, Dante Myers had to pay his way in order to get a CFL audition and then
27:04goes out there and gets like a thousand yards in the CFL.
27:08And then Joe Burrow sometime this offseason. I'm gonna have this story completely right.
27:12Says, hey, man, do you want to throw? I know you're in the area.
27:16And Dante Myers says yes, is not in the area and instead drives himself overnight to get a pitch and catch session with Joe Burrow.
27:24And as you said, he pops up here for seven catches for 82 yards.
27:28The early stuff was screens and he has some juice to his game, like yards after catch.
27:33And then he made some major downfield catches, too, along with Mitchell Tinsley doing the exact same thing.
27:38So, yeah, Dante Myers. I'll be talking with Joel with after Monday Night Football on the waiver show.
27:43That's for sure, Matt. I'm absolutely charting this guy this week for sure.
27:47I got a comment on I just did a video for my YouTube channel ranking all 32 NFL wide receiver rooms.
27:53And I made the made the point about, yeah, the Bengals are awesome, but they've actually sneaky been desperate for a third receiver for some time now.
28:01And someone asked me in the comments about Dante Myers.
28:04Like, I mean, I got nothing for you on the CFL tape.
28:07I'm not charting CFL tape, but we've got an NFL game here with 93 percent route participation.
28:12So I'm definitely going to take a look at this guy this week because, yeah, like I said, they have been hurting.
28:19And for a real deal wide receiver three for a minute.
28:22So we'll see if it can be this. That's a pretty cool story there.
28:26Yeah. And just two more quick notes on this game.
28:29The first one is there were 24 penalties, 24.
28:32The rest were very flag happy, including the Jaguars had 10 penalties for 110 yards in the first half.
28:37Just ridiculous stuff. And Travis Hunter was excellent as a defensive back.
28:41He had one interception that was called back due to a good roughing the passer penalty.
28:46There are other hard hits along the sidelines and PBUs as well.
28:49So he is really emerging. And like over the last 12 ish quarters, I think has played really, really, really good football here.
28:56All right. Patriots and Bills. I mean, Hayden, out of the court of my eye, this game was flashing.
29:01The scoreboard was flashing. And yet it's Efton Chisholm with the game winning touchdown as the Patriots win 29 to 26.
29:08I mean, the Patriots are broken. Drake may three touchdowns.
29:11How did it all get fixed here in week four?
29:13I mean, this is just where our jobs become so impossible because things change so quickly.
29:18There is no reason to think that Drake may would be the quarterback one in fantasy as of this recording right now.
29:25And that Romeo Dobbs would have another drop that goes to an interception.
29:28And by the way, I thought that was kind of Drake May's fault more than anything.
29:33I think it was a bad ball. But then after that, he has a fourth and three catch that leads to a one handed fade touchdown.
29:41He also had a high point skinny post touchdown earlier in the game.
29:45So he finishes with a monster game after looking unplayable.
29:47And the Patriots, quite frankly, they didn't want to play him when AJ Brown was healthy.
29:52The reason why these guys get going is like Matt Collins.
29:55He leaves in the third quarter with a calf injury.
29:58So by the end of this game, when this thing is really close going back and forth, it is F's and Chisholm
30:05who's on the field in very key situations. He beat Harrison, who really struggled again in this game.
30:10The Bills didn't have their top corner in this one.
30:13He beats Harrison for a first down and then has the one handed grab of his life where it was some one handed grabs.
30:20There's like a little bobble element to it where he only uses one hand.
30:24This was just like, boom, caught it. And that was an awesome, awesome moment for him.
30:29The running backs, it was kind of like the same old split there.
30:33Neither of them had like the monster game. Like that thing stood out like on tape there.
30:38But the offensive line like had a couple kind of gaffes.
30:41But for the most part, to me, like the thing that stood out for the Patriots more than anything was Drake May just using his legs.
30:4854 rushing yards in this one. This is something that Mike Brable talked about after the game.
30:53Like that was the difference as we get to the Bills side in a second here.
30:58Not as much scrambling around for Josh Allen. And this one, Drake May pulled pulled away and then kind of some no
31:05namers that were written off got going in. So a really fascinating game.
31:08The Patriots were going to be in deep trouble if they did not pull off this upset.
31:13And that they did. Yeah. Hayden, just on the Romeo Dobbs stuff, what type of routes was he getting the catches on?
31:20Because I think he's been sneaky, like really misused as a vertical.
31:23It was like 27% go routes in the first three weeks of the season.
31:27So both of his touchdowns, you have a fade and then a post route.
31:31So those were more downfield routes. But for the most part, it was more like the quick out variety.
31:37It felt a little bit more Packers coated there.
31:40There was a couple moments from Drake May to Romeo Dobbs and other players where just like, you know, it's the middle of the field.
31:47These aren't going to be in highlight reels, but like just throwing the ball perfectly over zone defenders near the sideline toe drag.
31:54So it wasn't just Romeo Dobbs on that. But there was a lot of awesome moments from Drake May near the sideline there.
32:00So, yeah, I think kind of encouraging for Romeo Dobbs.
32:03I think, you know, the fact that Matt Collins, if he does miss with his calf injury, that's how we get Romeo
32:10Dobbs to like literally 100% of the snaps. You need to like pop Douglas, these guys, you can only trust them so much.
32:17I think that Romeo Dobbs becomes definitely very interesting as a wide receiver three next week.
32:21I'm open to Matt Collins Ewing theory situation here.
32:24Yeah. Okay. Hey, I have to ask because I just dropped Drake May in the experts league for CJ stride, which worked
32:30out, you know, just overall for my sanity. But did I make a mistake?
32:34Like Drake May throws for 269 yards here. Previous high, I think in a game was 209 yards.
32:40He had two others under 200 yards. So is this real?
32:43How many games you need to see for this to be real once again?
32:47Because again, it's not like he just opened the season poorly.
32:50Yeah. He finished last season in the playoffs miserably.
32:53So we almost have a longer stretch in the last seven games of him turning the football over and all that type
32:59of stuff, which he still did here with an interception and a lost fumble.
33:04Then we do him like playing good football as of late.
33:07Well, the schedule opens up. So that's the first thing you instead of facing the Seahawks, Steelers and Jaguars.
33:12Now you get the Mr. Schedule. Yeah, exactly. Now you got the Raiders, Jets, Bears, Dolphins, Packers.
33:17And we'll see if Micah Parsons is available. So like one thing we got the schedule going his way.
33:23I will say watching the game, the offensive line is still in trouble.
33:27I thought that the right guard replacement was not playing very well.
33:30There was like there's still like kind of, you know, scheming around Will Campbell.
33:34And there's some moments against Will Campbell that led to some pressure.
33:38And then on the Bills defense side, there's just like the cornerback play is just not good enough.
33:43You know, and I think that's especially true with with Benford.
33:46And they put Benford in some pretty difficult situations.
33:49But when he's not out there, like they just don't have like top end corners at the moment.
33:54So that's like obviously helpful when, you know, Romeo Dobbs and Efton Chisholm are winning their one on ones like at the catch point.
34:01That's, you know, that to me is like definitely a little bit damning on the Buffalo Bill side of things, too.
34:07Hey, now I also want to ask on the opposite end.
34:11Let's go to the Bills. You know, the first two weeks for Don Kincaid were incredible.
34:15You know, five receptions, 130 yards, seven receptions, 95 yards.
34:18Should we almost view him like the wide receiver two conversation that we had before where it can just be rocky?
34:24Because that's two catches for 38 yards, then one catch for seven yards here.
34:28What happened with Don Kincaid in this contest? I was listening to variable after the game and they said one of the
34:35big keys was getting rid of Dalton Kincaid there.
34:38But, you know, you would hope that when DJ Moore, he leaves like going into halftime, it's a setback of the same injury.
34:44I guess you just didn't want to get the injection or there's just too risky or whatever it was.
34:50But there's some certainty going into next week where like, you know, his upside is like just proven too high.
34:56Now he's there's definitely a big tear break between the top guys.
34:59And, you know, I think George Kittle has like obviously like surpassed the Dalton Kincaid range at this point.
35:05But like you're still starting him in most situations.
35:07I think he's still like a flex play if you have them, especially if DJ Moore is not out there.
35:13The guy that stepped up was Keon Coleman. And I can say just watching the film, there were more real moments this
35:20week than there has been in previous Keon Coleman blow up games.
35:23He had a fantastic play on the sideline. His touchdown was working down the field as well.
35:28He looks maybe a step faster. I'd be curious on stats versus film or whenever you guys are watching this game back.
35:35If he just looks like a half second faster there.
35:38And he also had like a little motion first read explosive underneath as well.
35:42So there was like some real stuff that Keon Coleman was doing in this one.
35:46But unfortunately for the Bills, you know, Khalil Shakir has a fumble in the two minute drill like that.
35:52That gave the Patriots an opportunity that they, of course, failed on.
35:55But there's nothing like really that crazy bad about the Bills offense here.
35:59It's just one of those games where their defense allows 29 by that.
36:03James Cook looked good. Not having DJ Moore proved to be definitely hurtful at the margins.
36:08But Shakir got going underneath. Keon Coleman had a big game.
36:11So I don't really have like anything crazy to say about the Bills offense at all.
36:15Yeah, I'm really curious about Keon. 34% snaps in the slot for him here.
36:20You know, he's someone that I didn't want to see just kind of tethered at X receiver even early on in his career.
36:26And like Josh Palmer is the sub 10% slot player here, which I think is perfectly fine for his skill set.
36:32But yeah, I'm like I thought Keon even on the Thursday night game against the Lions ran some really nice just like
36:39quick out routes and made himself a little more open than we're used to see.
36:43And of course, that's the Lions. So this was a little bit better defense here to see.
36:48So even if he's just a nice quality role player for the and I mean role player complimentary for the Bills, that would be a nice development.
36:56Hey, this will be a theme of tonight's episode, but it feels like a bunch of pass catchers or even just running
37:03backs that enter games banged up, like actually hurt us in fantasy football because they just got more banged up and then
37:09didn't finish these contests rather than just giving us zeros.
37:12And we know we can just pivot off of them.
37:15Yeah. DJ Moore, again, aggravated his shoulder injury after just one catch for 11 yards and one carry for six yards.
37:21It is not, though, considered, quote, a long term issue as of right now.
37:25So people will have some like PTSD here of putting DJ Moore in their starting lineups after he, again, just re aggravates it after a couple of touches.
37:33That's just what an AC joint is. You know, it bothers you if you land on it.
37:38And he was on the sideline and he landed on it pretty decent.
37:42There was, you know, like some of the Twitter doctors like he's going to get injection.
37:47He'll be back in the third quarter. And then he just he just didn't return.
37:51So, you know, there's there's different grades of, you know, this collarbone collarbone type of stuff.
37:56So hopefully he didn't actually injure it further. But, you know, there's there's risk with all these players that are on the injury report.
38:03That's like why we have to knock them down a couple spots and rankings if they aren't practicing in full football.
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38:46The crown is yours. Let's move on. The San Francisco 49ers are 4-0 despite losing player after player after player.
38:52And they beat the Denver Broncos 24-14. Brock Purdy, 2-18, two touchdowns.
38:55I think the fourth straight game he has not taken a sack here.
38:59Matt? CMC, 52 yards, one touchdown. Mike Evans, 76 yards, zero touchdowns.
39:03George Kittle, 70 for one. So on paper, it doesn't look like a huge explosion here for the 49ers offense, but they did just enough to win it.
39:11Don't forget our boy BBL Debo got in there for a receiving touchdown.
39:15I'm going to use that all season long. Shout out to whoever said that.
39:19It was perfect. He was looking pretty spry out there, too, was Debo Samuel.
39:23But yeah, I mean, this game, I'll just be honest, was so frustrating to watch.
39:27Not just because of the injuries to both teams.
39:30Pat Sertan, injured right before the half, non-contact injury.
39:32Riley Moss left the game with a rib injury as well.
39:36Pat Sertan, that looked like a pretty serious knee injury, but they called it an ankle injury.
39:41By the way, it came on the longest play to date.
39:44Kyle Juszczyk, ankle injury, too. Upton Stout, shoulder injury.
39:46I mean, there was just injuries all over the place.
39:49And if you didn't catch that, I said Pat Bryant knee injury on the longest play to the point like deep into the second half.
39:57Because these two offenses were small ball in this thing all day here.
40:01Now, for Brock Purdy and the 49ers, great point, Josh, about the sack avoidance.
40:05He is consistently keeping drives alive and just like keeping plays alive with his ability to avoid sacks.
40:10But really, everything just kind of changed in the late fourth quarter for both of these teams.
40:15Specifically for the Niners, CMC on the drive to push the team to a 17-6 lead.
40:20He just kind of took that thing over. Mike Evans had one big catch there, but he just long, consistent, solid, sustaining runs.
40:26Punched it into the end zone at the very end.
40:29The Broncos score on their next drive. We'll talk about that.
40:32And then the final drive for the Niners. Kittle rips off a 56-yard, shout-out peptides, tight end screen.
40:38Catch and run. Let's go. Just voided space in the blitz.
40:41Just wide open lane there to take it for 56 yards for George Kittle.
40:45You would never guess that he tore his Achilles like seven, eight months ago or whatever.
40:50Yeah, and he led the team in routes. You know, Mike Evans and Debo aren't full-time players right now.
40:55George Kittle, 60 of 66 snaps almost every single route out there.
40:59So, Josh, I'm going to kick it over to you.
41:02You're the George Kittle guy from the entire offseason.
41:04So, like, rest of the season rankings-wise, you know, is it just two ahead of him?
41:09It really might be. I mean, truly one of the best picks on the board.
41:14And, Matt, like you're saying, it's not necessarily the easy stuff over and over and over again.
41:18It's these explosives. It's the red zone work. It's all of it.
41:22So, the more, like, injuries that are happening around him with wide receivers and then the more older wide receivers that are
41:28out there in terms of Evans and Debo Samuel being, what, max 75% players?
41:33And then you have George Kittle, also old, but a superhuman and a future Hall of Famer, is playing and running the most routes.
41:40Like, that is incredible stuff. So, I'm just glad I drafted so much of him.
41:44But, I really don't think there's anything else to talk about here in the 49ers offense.
41:49So, Matt, I have to ask you, RJ Harvey, 10 receptions, 68 yards?
41:52That's disgusting. This was a sickening offense to watch today with the Denver Broncos.
41:57I mean, seriously, before that final drive, which this is kind of what the Broncos have been with Bo Nix, it's really, really frustrating to watch.
42:04And then they kind of come alive in the fourth quarter.
42:07But it was outrageous. And so much of this RJ Harvey stuff, and credit to him, he made a couple of plays
42:14with the ball in his hands, at least one where he actually got them a good chunk of yardage afterwards.
42:20He also nearly caught – I mean, they did end up losing the game, but he almost fumbled on the final drive.
42:26And, you know, luckily the Broncos were able to jump on it.
42:30So, I don't even know how good of a player RJ Harvey is, but he is just getting checked down after checked down after checked down.
42:37Bo Nix has got to let these plays develop a little more.
42:41Sean Payton was asked after the game about Davis Webb as his play caller.
42:45He said, quote, it's too early to consider. It's a fair question.
42:48I appreciate it. It's tough to discuss any of that right now.
42:52So, I don't really even know, though, if I want to blame Davis Webb on this because they cannot run the football
42:58against a team that you absolutely can run the football on.
43:02J.K. Dobbins looks like he's taking a step back.
43:04The offensive line is a little bit underperforming there.
43:07And then it's just so much check down nonsense with Bo Nix to RJ Harvey.
43:11It was, like I said, very, very, very, very tough to watch.
43:15If I was a Broncos fan, this would be driving me crazy right now.
43:19I just looked it up, Matt. On the non-screens targets behind the line of scrimmage, his time to throw is at 2.8
43:25seconds, which is like – that's so fast. For like three seconds is like I would say at least you got to be given them time to develop.
43:34That's crazy. Matt, can you explain this Grant Cohen tweet to me that we just put on?
43:39Oh, boy. It just said Bo Nix's first name is short for Boseph.
43:42Am I missing something here? I am not qualified to do Grant Cohen interpretations on this.
43:47I'm not qualified for that. I don't know what this means.
43:50I don't know what it means either. Maybe like Bozo, Seth, potentially.
43:54Yeah, I mean because like he has a couple of – that's the thing with two where he lets plays develop.
44:00It just usually turns into a moderately useless scramble too for Bo Nix.
44:04There was a couple where it's like get that thing upfield and we get a first down here.
44:09So he's just a – he's a weird quarterback, man, is Bo Nix.
44:13I will say Jalen Waddell, you got away with it here, man.
44:16He did score a touchdown and it was a really nice play.
44:20They motioned him out to the Z receiver. He runs an out route.
44:24He's open. He catches it and he makes the defender miss and walks into the end zone.
44:29Thank God too because I was ready to lose my mind with the Waddell stuff because his one target actually down the
44:35field, he drops, which I don't know Jalen Waddell to have like drop issues, but he has had a couple of rough ones to start this year.
44:43That was just a catch he absolutely should make.
44:46But then he catches everything else that goes his way, but it's again a lot of the short stuff.
44:51And I guarantee you we're going to go back and watch the tape and be like, yeah, there's a lot of explosive
44:58plays left on the field for Jalen Waddell. But here we are.
45:01At least he gets into the end zone with the touchdown.
45:04He does lead the team in route participation with 82% as well.
45:08Yeah, the Waddell stuff, it just is what it is now.
45:11Like we need to kind of recalibrate all of our hype pieces and hype podcasts about him this summer where I thought
45:18what they traded for him, all the routes and the styling that they do and off of play action and all that
45:24type of stuff would kind of make him at least a consensus wide receiver too on a weekly basis.
45:30But Matt, it's that roller coaster that we're talking about.
45:33Some weeks he'll go for 100 and a touchdown, and then some weeks he'll go for like two catches for 27 yards.
45:39I mean, I think he's still a wide receiver too.
45:42Like he's ultimately, I think you said this well last week, where he's going to, you're not going to have taken a
45:48loss that you took him in the fourth round, but the idea that he could maybe be like a big win player
45:55at that cost, I don't think that's happening just because I don't think the offense is really functioning at that level.
46:01I was hoping that Waddell coming in here would also kind of coincide with a leap for Bo Nix.
46:07And, you know, through four weeks, he's definitely, I mean, I don't know how you could not say he's one of the
46:13most frustrating quarterbacks to watch in the NFL right now.
46:16All right, let's stick in that AFC West, because this was a barn burner.
46:20And the Chiefs come out on top 30 to 27 over the Las Vegas Raiders.
46:24I had this whole write-up about how, you know, the Chiefs have played in these big close moments, and the Raiders haven't.
46:31Like the Raiders were up 19-17, 335 to go.
46:34The Chiefs were facing a third and five. Patrick Mahomes connects with Tyquan Thornton on a 55-yarder versus zero coverage.
46:39Then Ken Walker scores in the next play. Ensuing kickoff, Raiders fumble.
46:43Very next snap, Ken Walker scores another 21-yard run.
46:46So then they lead at 30 to 19. But again, I think it shows that this Raiders team is slightly different in
46:52that they showed fight to get back in it and enough fight to even almost get into field goal range and possibly
46:58even win this game in the end. Like, I understand this Raiders defense might not have a ton of talent on it,
47:05but they were pressuring and moving Patrick Mahomes relentlessly.
47:08He only finishes with two sacks, but it was not an easy day for him.
47:1215 of 30 for 225 yards and two touchdowns.
47:15And then other than, you know, a freaking 76-yard run from Kenneth Walker III, the first three quarters, they did a fantastic
47:21job kind of bottling him up as well. But what the Chiefs have found are some explosive plays.
47:26A 76-yard run, like I said to Kay Walker.
47:29A 55-yarder to Tyquan Thornton. A 42-yarder on an out and up to Tyquan Thornton, which unfortunately, on the first one of
47:35those, he breaks or dislocates his ankle on a hip drop tackle and he was easily their wide receiver one.
47:41And then a 41-yard shot to Xavier Worthy in isolated one-on-one coverage before.
47:45So, hey, we always talk about Patrick Mahomes in the downfield pass and in not hitting out previous seasons.
47:51It was the best today than I've seen it in a very long time.
47:55So unfortunate on the Thornton injury because he was balling and he's just been their best downfield receiver for, you know, the last, since Tyreek Hill has left.
48:03Like, I don't think that's an exaggeration. So he's going to be out for the season, I'm assuming here.
48:09And Rashi Rice left pretty early in that game with the hamstring injury as well.
48:13And, you know, he's had a lot of injury, lower half injury.
48:16So I'm assuming that's going to be multiple weeks.
48:19So, Josh, like, are we at the point where the Chiefs are going to be making phone calls for wide receivers?
48:25It can't be Xavier Worthy and what, Cyrus Allen and Jalen Royals.
48:29Like, that's like the current rotation. That is way too small of a room.
48:33You can't do Xavier Worthy and Cyrus Allen as your top targets out there.
48:37It's like Jerry, Judy, Tyreek Hill. Like, what do you think their plan is going to be?
48:42Yeah, totally. I mean, it was a seven yard catch in the open field for Rashi Rice.
48:47His first of the day. No one touches him.
48:50Instantly grabs his hamstring and goes off to the sideline.
48:52And yeah, they said Jalen Royals would come in and replace him.
48:56Jalen Royals drew two targets and zero catches on the day.
48:59So that shows you where you're at with Jalen Royals.
49:02Drop one too. Yeah. And even like the Travis Kelsey two catches for 15 yards in the day wasn't even close to what we saw before.
49:10And so I think teams understand that if you slow him down, then you slow down this passing attack.
49:15But what Hayden, like, who's out there? Is Jerry Judy and his up and down inconsistency?
49:20And like, as being there in the right place at the right time, exactly what this passing offense needs.
49:26Maybe it is, but I'm a bit skeptical of that too, Matt.
49:29Honestly, Jerry Judy is a really difficult player to talk about because he's gone from really overrated to basically everybody hates him now.
49:36I think there's still a useful player in there and he's always been a better man coverage receiver than his own coverage
49:42receiver, which is kind of what the Chiefs need, right?
49:45They need a little bit of a man beater.
49:48And if you can have Jerry Judy do what the 2024 Denver Broncos did, or excuse me, he did a lot of
49:54sandwich against the Broncos in that season. The Browns did.
49:57I know it was the Jameis Winston scam, but it's also just, hey, we're going to have you run in breaking routes,
50:04digs and posts and overs on play action. Just plant your, no dancing.
50:07Just plant your foot in the ground and rip it inside.
50:11Like Judy can do that. And for a team that is hunting explosive plays off play action, I could talk myself into
50:17it, you know, being useful for Kansas City from a fan from maybe fantasy standpoint.
50:22I don't know, but useful for Kansas City for sure for if they trade for Jerry Judy.
50:27Matt, dare I say that they maybe should get Cyrus Allen a bit more involved?
50:31Like he has been truly down the pecking order.
50:34And I'm not saying this preseason was, you know, worthy of being a top two wide receiver on a team after being
50:40late round pick and all that type of stuff.
50:43But man to man coverage, that is him. And he still wasn't very involved here.
50:47So maybe a week of practice and we can get that a little bit more.
50:51I mean, how many beers have we had boys?
50:54That's the thing, you know, for Cyrus Allen. I mean, he lost a chunk of time in the offseason too.
51:00So they did. They've talked about that where he fell behind a little bit because of that.
51:05Let's talk about the Raiders here. In the first three series, there were 22 offensive snaps and Ashton Gentry had nine snaps and Mike Washington had nine snaps.
51:13It really felt like Mike Washington was the, you know, ball carrier.
51:17And then Ashton Gentry was the receiving back. And so that's basically what we got outside of a two minute drill in the first half.
51:24Then as soon as we get out of halftime, Ashton Gentry has a seven, six and 28 yard run.
51:30He's easily their best back and finishes with all this receiving production and rushing production on the day.
51:35Unfortunately, he again hobbled up, hobbled off with an ankle injury.
51:38Trainers walked him to the sidelines. So this is four games in a row, like truly four games in a row where
51:44he's had some type of an ankle ailment. And hey, what we keep talking about is this is holding him back.
51:51And I think that Clint Kubiak is going into these games with the idea of, OK, I have to split it up
51:57because I have to maybe save some of the juice that he has.
52:01But again, that is still leading us to him being in and out in some critical situations.
52:06Yeah, first 15 plays, it's Ashton Gentry seven snaps, Mike Washington six.
52:09So, you know, that's that's a storyline. I know it didn't finish that way, like you're saying, but that's, you know, that
52:16this might be a little bit more hot handy.
52:18And you would hope that, you know, your top 10 pick gets the hot hand a whole lot more than your fourth rounder.
52:25But I do think it's injury related for like the vast majority of it.
52:29I do think a lot of it is injury related here.
52:33OK. Right. And then Brock Bowers finishes with the touchdown to make it the 27 points was kind of kept quiet for a long period.
52:40We did get some cool Brock Bowers, Mansoor Delaney reps.
52:43Harmon, I know you're going to watch those this week, too.
52:46And then Michael Mayer is the second leading receiver with eight for 82.
52:50And then shout out Cody White. I mean, Cody White, role player across the league, just continues to stack reps, had a
52:56win versus Mansoor Delaney that nearly set this team up for another big score.
53:00So, yeah, the Raiders are like way more frisky than I was giving them credit.
53:05And once again, Kirk Cousins, he finishes with an interception on the last play of the game, but he throws for 365
53:11yards, 52 dropbacks and zero sacks taken. Like Kirk is just spinning the pill.
53:15Man, love to see it. Kirk is going out in style here.
53:19And it's going to be a long time, I think, until they even consider benching him because, yeah, had to love Clint Kubiak at the halftime interview, Josh.
53:27Yes. Like, we're going to win this football game.
53:30They didn't win this football game. I get it.
53:32But yeah, definitely nice to see that for the Raiders.
53:35Like they're a real football team. They're definitely a real football team.
53:39I wish for Ashton Gentry's sake that their buy came earlier than it does, but they don't have a buy until week
53:4513 because, yeah, I think he's a guy that looks like he needs a week off.
53:50Yep. I totally agree with all of that. I mean, the Raiders are just a more complete team than I was expecting four games into the season.
53:58All right. The LA Rams two and two Philadelphia Eagles two and two as Los Angeles wins 24 to 20 in this game, Hayden.
54:05I mean, I think the big storyline is Pukunuku returning for nine catches, 125 yards on 12 targets.
54:10How do you look? I thought he looked mostly the same.
54:13There wasn't like crazy big explosives where you were able to like see him like just, you know, open up to see how exactly fast he was.
54:21There were some contested catch moments. He had one against Rick Wallen that he was able to bring down like consistently involved
54:28in the offense was playing for most of the snaps on top of that.
54:32The one thing that has me just a little bit spooked is Aaron Andrews on the sideline right as the game was getting going.
54:39He called the injury a pre hernia injury and then all the Twitter doctors jumped all over that and they said pre
54:45hernia injury means partial hernia injury and that's basically a ticking time bomb if this happens or not.
54:51It probably reminds me of like the Matthew Stafford injury from last year where, you know, if it gets managed the upside
54:57so awesome and you can be the guy that you needed in fantasy this year and then also in a different simulation
55:03he's hurt next week has hernia surgery and he's out for more than a month.
55:08So the production how we looked on the film he had awesome moments in and tough matchup all that excellent to me
55:14like the, you know, officially getting pre hernia stuff from the team there makes me a little bit spooked.
55:2013 targets for Kyron Williams Hayden were these like I mean, it looks like from an area standpoint, these were still I
55:26talked about this on the show last week where these are like real downfield targets for Kyron Williams.
55:32Is that more of the same this week? Yeah, so Philadelphia's defense it's similar to Houston right now.
55:37They're just over the middle. They're just not the same unit.
55:40Zach Bond injured Jalen Carter just not himself. Jonathan Grenard walks off injured in this one.
55:45They just got him on the field two weeks ago.
55:48Cooper Dejean he is limping around for a minute as well.
55:51So a lot of the star players on the Eagles defense were not available and particularly over the middle.
55:57Kyron Williams was just given G. odd Campbell like just the business the entire game.
56:01G. odd Campbell first round linebacker. It has not been pretty and on tape.
56:05He was such a good athlete. He made some incredible plays in college.
56:09The down to down consistency with him has just been up and down and then Kyron Williams to basically win the game
56:15there run to the left on the outside breaks a couple tackles including to Josiah Trotter their other linebacker Jeremiah Trotter the other linebacker out there.
56:23So you know just some of the complete star level talent is just not like playing that way or available on the
56:29Philadelphia Eagles defense which made like the Rams first half of that game all the more confusing because they were this close
56:36to so many big plays and then the second half of the game that offense was absolutely humming and a lot of
56:42it was just Puka Nakua or Kyron Williams. Yeah, we talked about this on some show last week that the Eagles having
56:49to pay so many of their defensive stars and some other players meant they had to let N'Kobe Dean go who's playing
56:55really well for the Raiders read Blankenship and you know you saw Makuba get picked on as well.
57:00So it's just something that they can't have to roll with again.
57:04I don't want to overlook that this is unbelievable from Kyron Williams like 16 carries for 80 yards and then 10 receptions
57:10for 67 yards like he I'm not sure four-point game we get this role with Blake Coram who only had five carries
57:17on the day and one catch like this is a total eclipse of exactly what we could have hoped for when drafting Kyron.
57:24Career high 10 receptions is 84 snaps so that that thing that you keep talking about Josh where if they're winning he's
57:30most likely scored a touchdown or if they're trailing which they were trailing in the entire second half of this game he
57:36doesn't come off the football field and beyond that it's like you know some slot work but even if it's not like
57:43exact slot work now you'll see like he's the first or second read on a lot of these concepts and it's because
57:49they just have a mismatch and all the trust in the world for Kyron Williams to make a quick move and obviously Matthew Stafford trust him.
57:57Okay let's talk about the Eagles here there's a whole bunch of tweets that I could rattle through one from Bill Barnwell
58:03Eagles were up by 10 points with a third and goal from the two-yard line with eight minutes to go and lost another from Ben Solak.
58:11Eagles went 0 for 12 on third down against the Rams went 0 for 5 in the second half last week against
58:18the Bears their last third down conversion was over 90 minutes of game clocks ago then another one from Jake and I
58:24won't read this full thing because it has explicits in it Jalen Hurts had to make a total of one play in
58:30the second half to win this game and couldn't do it the Rams were that bad I know the injuries are stacking
58:37but are we effing serious is all that fair Solak stole all my notes there about the third down stuff it was
58:43brutal and they had a couple key just like unfortunate fourth down plays it was like fourth and one and a half
58:50and it was a failed tush push now that their own 37 yard line up 10 I like the decision the problem
58:56is when you have a new center and now Cam Juergens is playing left guard and now you don't have Makai Becton
59:03at right guard obviously it's been a couple seasons but like the absolute peak of the tush push versus this version of
59:09the tush push has mattered there was also plays where I thought Cam Juergens was getting losing one on one reps as
59:16well and then later in the game they're at the two yard line fourth down and the first read goes to Don
59:22TV and Wix that gets turned down because you got absolutely just like no separation on that play and that fourth down
59:28goes incomplete there was just a lot of plays where it's like third and four they absolutely need a play from Zach
59:35Ertz and Zach Ertz can't make a play there was just like too much too much of like you know all the
59:41backups just stunk you know like it kind of comes down to that Jalen Hurts did not make any plays by himself
59:48and to that tweets point there yeah but there was so many like all the backups did absolutely nothing except Darius Cooper
59:54who he must I forget which D maybe like Quentin Lake that probably should have been an interception that goes Darius Cooper's
60:01way for a touchdown and then a scramble drill touchdown for Darius Cooper where he just hits the brakes in the back
60:07of the end zone and scores a touchdown not that much from Makai Lemon a little curl in the perimeter third down
60:14slot win versus Kitchens as well but nothing like too explosive from him Don Tavian Wix defensive pass interference on Trent McDuffie
60:20but nothing too crazy from him and then the like you know the the ground game is still so hit miss third
60:26and two loss they were Tom Brady absolutely lost his mind because on third and two they can't run the ball up
60:33the middle they're doing these horizontal runs and Cam Juergens got beat on that play so yeah Saquon leaves immediately and the
60:39backups weren't able to do anything really yeah Hayden I was going to ask you like one to ten how screwed do
60:46you think this Eagles offense is but then you said the phrase they needed Zach Ertz to make a play and I
60:52kind of feel like that answers the question by the way this team has to go overseas and play Jacksonville in England
60:59next week so just what the doctor ordered interior is not good enough Lane Johnson an hour before the game he is
61:05ruled out for personal reasons they didn't know exactly what that was I was listening to Brandon Graham with on Bo Wolfe's
61:12podcast after the game and Brandon Graham was kind of like hinting that like come on man you got to be out
61:18there so like I don't know what's going on with the Lane Johnson stuff but he is almost like saying like that
61:24he had some insight on what's going on what's going on there but yeah it was the fewest yards in the Siriana
61:31Sirianni era it's just one of those games where like they're injured they should have won this game but like all the
61:37backups had a moment to make a play and they couldn't do it and then Jalen hurts you know like this could
61:44be a product of your surroundings and the surroundings weren't very good and he just really didn't do a whole lot with
61:50it do we need to review the Makai Lemon tape or is there anything that popped out at all or was it
61:57just a no-go from the jump there was like this is a rookie first-round pick yes yeah there has not been the
62:03explosive play he had a third down slot when he had a little curl on the perimeter you know there was more
62:10real route stuff going on here but what was his biggest play it was it was nothing so like you know you're
62:16not like watching a third you're like wow there goes that first rounder you know like he's he's has a role in
62:23the offense he's not doing the most with it he also doesn't look unacceptable either but you know like this would be
62:29a great game for him to go crazy and and he didn't can I address the Saquon Barkley stuff yeah just real
62:35quick since you know people who watch the channel probably drafted Ken Walker the third in the second round but then they
62:42drafted Saquon Barkley in the first first round so I think we can see from who the equals are after four weeks
62:48that it certainly wasn't going to hit the highs that I was hoping for for Saquon Barkley even if he's still healthy
62:55this year but I will also add that I think this is just an egregiously bad run out for Saquon like in
63:01week two he gets sidelined on the first carry because of a stinger he missed the goal line touchdown from there in
63:08week three he rushes for 73 yards in the first half and the defense gets steamrolled so he gets phased out of
63:14the game and then week four after three touches his hamstring explodes so like this just really sucks yeah for a guy
63:21who needed good blocking and then when he got good blocking showed explosives and yet it's like the worst possible injuries to
63:27all of you because in two of the four weeks he's gotten injured after one or three touches and that is even
63:33worse for your fancy lineups than playing them so hey it just sucks overall yeah it's always worse when you know they
63:40get hurt you'd rather get the zero when you have somebody else in your starting lineup when they're leaving games early you
63:46know but that's right that's fantasy yeah and this seems like it might be a multi-week thing here yes Harmon just because
63:53the hamstring and how he looked immediately and all that type of stuff okay let's move on because we got to talk
63:59about the la chargers I mean they put up 23 points that's a moral victory is it not nope they're oh and
64:06four as Seattle improves to three and one with 30 points of their own uh Matt Emmanuel Wilson a big pickup on
64:12waivers an immediate start how do you look because I see 81 yards in the ground in a score and then also
64:19I mean 39 yards in the air and another score dude I thought Emmanuel Wilson looked really good in this game I
64:25think when we go back to watch the tape and like look at the coverage numbers and stuff we're gonna see a
64:31lot of like quarters cloud too high stuff for the charges here because it certainly felt like he got a lot of
64:38light boxes but how often have we watched the Seahawks run game the last two years not be able to take advantage
64:44of these light boxes consistently so he was just ripping through some of these runs broke a lot of tackles 120 yards
64:51from scrimmage for Emmanuel Wilson like I said I thought he 3.5 yards after contact per rush uh he made the most
64:57it wasn't just like oh he got lanes and that was that and he plotted his way to all this production I
65:04thought he legitimately looked really good um the Seahawks offensive line I did think gave him some good rushing room but overall
65:10like he was the man 75% of the touches in the backfield went his way this was not like a you know
65:17George Helani change of pace sort of situation it was Emmanuel Wilson and like it certainly has felt like they needed a
65:23guy of this skill set for this team to just have more of a saint a sustaining tempo type runner in in
65:29the mix you know Jackson Smith and Jagua you get 76 yards here like I said I feel like we're going to
65:36go back and watch this one and see a down game yeah down game oh boo hoo right uh that's what that's
65:42even that's a down game for a real wide receiver one um but yeah I think when we go back to watch
65:49this we're going to see because it felt like this one on the broadcast that they were doing a lot of like
65:55cloud and stuff to take away the explosive plays to JSN but Emmanuel Wilson made the most made the most of that
66:02so Emmanuel Wilson's got this like little sweet spot where Jadarian Price is now out for at least four games I saw
66:08pictures of Zach Charbonnet I know he's practicing but one leg is twice as big as the other leg so like I
66:15think we're still you know a little bit of ways away and that's totally fine that's what he should be uh but
66:21it's him versus Joe Mixon Matt did you see that report that Joe Mixon uh was visiting the Seahawks before the game
66:28if you were advising Joe Mixon are you telling him to look elsewhere yeah look elsewhere buddy they don't they don't need
66:34a Joe Mixon Green Bay yeah check out Green Bay see what they got going on here yeah I thought Emmanuel Wilson
66:40looked good enough in this game to uh to to keep it going here I will say this is a weird game
66:47um shock I mean these are two kind of teams that are used to playing in weird games it started off with
66:53back-to-back interceptions Justin Herbert on the first play of the game through I just I mean if you want to do Justin
67:00Herbert's defense like you you can do it but he is not making your job easy because he threw two of just
67:06the dumbest interceptions you could possibly throw which was somehow dumber than the interception he threw last week against Buffalo which you
67:13absolutely cannot throw that uh he threw one on the first play of the game throws another one later um and then
67:19Sam Darden gave it right back with an interception on the second play of the game so you know just all zeros
67:26out there uh for the interceptions at least to start Matt how did Rashid Shaheed score his rushing score uh is he
67:32running back two on this team he was in the backfield they lined him up there gave him a design play uh
67:38so that was pretty cool to see they also got Tori Horton on a quick slant route at the goal line too
67:45which I love to see I think Tori Horton is a really talented player uh he just hasn't been able to stay
67:51healthy but they certainly need some guys like Shaheed Horton to emerge here but yeah it was a nice little design play
67:58for Rashid Shaheed in the backfield that was uh that was good to see so probably not going to happen consistently as
68:04a receiver but if you had to start him for whatever reason you got away with one there okay let's talk Chargers
68:11backfield and Chargers offense okay Amar and Hampton nine carries 45 yards and a touchdown Keaton Mitchell 10 carries 39 yards Kamani
68:17Vidal five carries 25 yards Jim Harbaugh uh was asked after the game if this is how he envisions his backfield and
68:24he said uh we think it's best for our team was it best for their team yeah Keaton Mitchell like the stats
68:30are not going to blow you away uh or anything but he did give them a spark in the second half and
68:36it's as uh Michael Florio said there it's a nightmare for fantasy for sure because there's no reason for Keaton Mitchell for
68:43them to go away from him um again I said this during the game when it looked like it was going to
68:49be um a disaster game for the Chargers they actually did end up making it competitive which you know kind of want
68:56to come back to that at some point but like Kamani Vidal being the guy who punches in I think the first
69:02touchdown of the day here for the Chargers was was that's got to be pretty gross um and that was the one
69:09receiving touchdown here but yeah like all of these guys have a role Amarian Hampton does end up sneaking into the end
69:15zone uh on a goal line carry or red zone carry late in the game um so he does he's not a
69:22total zero but this is something Boone and I talked about on the forecast this week where you know I know it's
69:28like it's obviously just all downhill for Hampton it can get worse and it can continue to go down like if he
69:34doesn't score that touchdown he's a complete dud in fantasy and that's kind of where you're relying on him at this point
69:41so um I know you're selling low and people were giving Boone a bunch of crap about that it's like yeah you're
69:47selling low because this thing can go lower and I think it is going lower here uh as Harbaugh said it was
69:54good for the team especially um like I mentioned Keaton Mitchell giving them a little spark there but just the fact that
70:00this run game is is what it is is a is a big problem like Justin Herbert was their most useful rusher
70:07today on some scrambles yeah three of 17 snaps for Omar and Hampton on late downs as well that's just going to
70:13Kamani Vidal and then Keaton Mitchell's getting the the design first read target type of stuff from the backfield it looks like
70:20what's the latest on Lad McConkie it was a foot injury it was like limited then DNP then limited in practice didn't
70:26know what to do with in my rankings I didn't feel good about it and then it was the same foot injury
70:33for Lad McConkie so you know Chargers injuries but it seems like there's a couple of them here yeah Chargers injuries Joe
70:39all um left this game as well they had a backup left tackle in there the backup left tackle uh got his
70:45butt kicked by a Chenin Uwosu for the uh strip sack at the end of the game where I mean the Chargers
70:52had this game pretty close like they kicked the field goal while they were driving with two minutes and 17 seconds left
70:58um to get within 23 to 30 um they they were able to get Seattle off the field so they had a
71:05chance at a final drive but again it's like all too familiar for Justin Herbert where again he is 1000% part of
71:11the problem and making just some really really stupid mistakes but they can't block anybody Joe gets hurt in this game that
71:18was a huge problem um the left tackle gets his butt kicked like I said a strip sack there and Lad McConkie
71:2423 snaps no production it's just like we've had one half of football with a healthy Lad McConkie for this season and
71:31without him they're they're bang he's wide receiver sake one yes they're yes they're like everything about the process with taking Lad
71:37McConkie at that point even if this Chargers offense has not been good like that's part of the problem is that they
71:43don't have Lad McConkie and the drop-off after him is just is so so extreme like Trey Harris had three catches for
71:5060 yards and continues to be a guy that I would like to see more of he actually did run the most
71:56routes on the team 37 routes um Quentin Johnson was 32 and he had one catch for 44 yards which was actually
72:03pretty pretty cool uh catch there for Quentin Johnson but ultimately this team just does not have nearly enough without Lad McConkie
72:09looking at Twitter Rayshawn Slater also in a walking boot and crutches with an ankle injury like crutches too like I mean
72:16you know beyond Justin Herbert all their best players are are injured yeah here we are and I mean yeah Joe Joe
72:22Alt left for a period of time obviously um yeah I mean Matt I would be in on Trey Harris I would
72:29talk about him in the waivers and maybe I should just like at some point put the injuries or excuse me the
72:35schedule to the side and not worry about that when we're talking about a potential top two wide receiver here but again
72:41I just look at it and it's the Broncos the Chiefs the Rams the Texans and the Ravens over the next five
72:48games and like should I even advise people on Trey Harris like I wanted to play more yeah but then that might
72:54lead them to actually playing him in their lineups yeah I mean that's like in their hands you know go with God
73:01on that one if you're gonna put him in your lineups but it's he's at least like I said a talented player
73:07that's that's that's looking pretty good and should I don't know if he's gonna help this team I think this team is
73:14screwed um like they're also the thing about the Chargers that's so annoying one of the many things is in addition to
73:20the fact that they have all of these problems they make some of the dumbest mistakes at the worst possible time to
73:27like I can't remember who the defender was um but like late hit with Sam Darnold going like clearly giving himself up
73:33and drawing a personal foul and you know keeping the drive alive with under like two three minutes left to go in
73:40the game when you're trying to get this ball back for your team is this crazy and this is supposed to be
73:46a Jim Harbaugh team like they're they're dumb on offense they're dumb all over the field and they can't do anything right
73:52on offense this is just so not what we bargained for with this team and just quickly with Jesse Minner gone from
73:59this defense they've allowed 26 26 24 and 30 points over the first four games now obviously some of it the offense
74:05is putting them at a disadvantage because they can't sustain drives and they're turning the football over and all this type of
74:12stuff but that's a big shift for the Chargers I felt were yeah defensively last season well it's like I said I
74:18think today when we go back and watch the tape and look at the coverage numbers they clearly sold out to stop
74:25the vertical pass game with Sam Darnold and JSN was great well then Emmanuel Wilson runs it down your throat all game
74:31so it's just one of those things where cool you can sell out to stop one thing which you didn't even I
74:38mean still JSN had a perfectly fine game so yeah it's just they're they're not good on either side of the ball
74:44they're they're one of the worst teams in the league okay let's hope the Chicago Bears because they're three and one and
74:50two and oh with backup quarterbacks and different backup quarterbacks over the last two weeks as they beat the New York Jets
74:5723 to 12 the Bears earned 34 first downs in this game the Jets had 32 overall place oh the time of
75:03possession was 42 minutes to 17 minutes outside of one 58-yard touchdown catch by Isaiah Williams the Jets truly got overwhelmed from
75:10start to finish like the Jets even got their first interception in 643 days and it did not matter so let's spend
75:16the entire conversation on the Chicago Bears instead common on guy handled 30 carries common on 30 carries because DeAndre Swift fumbled
75:23in the third quarter and basically a one score game and didn't touch the ball again after that in fact Roshan Johnson
75:29was getting carries inside the five and ten so yeah Ben Johnson definitely punishes you if you fumble and when I was
75:36awesome 146 yards on the ground two touchdowns meanwhile DeAndre Swift was stuffed twice at the goal line in fact both were
75:42called touchdowns on the field and then both were reversed in the booth afterwards meanwhile again Monunga scored twice and then I
75:48want to bring up Tyson Bajan okay very solid number one thing with him I think he has some ability to his
75:55game lofted touch on his throws and he was really following through with all the play calls that Ben Johnson was putting
76:01out there that led us to you know Roma Dunze for six for 94 in in break for 37 yards and set
76:08up a field goal before halftime other outbreakers to Luther burden five touches for 74 yards and then even Colson Loveland Colson
76:14Loveland six catches for 57 including a few in the red zone that just didn't convert into scores and maybe most importantly
76:21Khalif Raymond just two catches for six yards so I think the passing game could have pressed even more if they were
76:27pressed but they weren't they just played ball you know control long drives and that's all they needed to do yeah this
76:34is like what we what we thought we were getting with the Bears passing distribution at least right like a dunes is
76:40on the field for every single snap nice to see him have 94 yards after social media told me his career was
76:46over last week so that's good to see 94 yards for him leads the team nine targets for Colson Loveland Luther burden
76:53made some plays too so Josh like I'll be back to base expectations with this Bears passing game or still too early
76:59to say no I think we are like Tyson Bajan had an interception he I think had another one called back to
77:06but he was quite solid I kind of agree with Bears brass in that he's one of the 32 best quarterbacks in
77:12the NFL potentially like maybe around backup quarterbacks maybe like just behind Marcus Mariota if we're ranking them on the fly but
77:19it's like the Packers defense and the Falcons defense of these next two so these are total games that if like Ben
77:25Johnson again had to push and throw the ball more to me they could have just been extremely effective doing that all
77:32day but instead they just were able to gash this Jets defensive line over and over and over again how is the
77:38Colson Loveland usage specifically he's been the one that I'm you know struggling there's so many tight ends kind of right right
77:45around him that how encouraging was the nine targets if I had to read it just with my eyeballs live a lot
77:51of it was zero to five yards and there weren't these huge crossing routes nine 12 yards down the field that would
77:57you know transform him from being you know the gimmies in the passing game to explosives in the passing game again he
78:04did have two or three targets in the red zone one of those went down to the five yard line or even
78:10tighter than that but it didn't it wasn't anything that wowed me unfortunately but at least he was involved like maybe I'm
78:17not gonna say this the baseline every single week but he at least was more involved than he has been in in
78:23the past unfortunately on the opposite with the Jets we all played and picked up Keenan Sadiq he had four targets and
78:30zero receptions he did have an early screen called towards him it was tipped at the line of scrimmage and he couldn't
78:36haul it in this is just goose eggs across the board but it really is because this offense like literally could not
78:43get anything going Gino was eight of 15 for 119 yards with 58 of that coming on one play and Braylon Allen
78:49was the only player in the backfield to get a touch but that only equaled 16 touches for 67 yards I think
78:55Devin Bush got out there and said that this was the easiest game I've ever played in I'm not sore at all
79:02and that kind of settles it oh my god Devin Bush too like that's amazing yeah yeah uh yeah I'm seeing 12
79:08routes for Keenan Sadiq um you're not guess what you're not getting a tight end one performance off the waiver wire if
79:15the guy runs 12 routes he was also like banged up late in the week in practice too I don't know if
79:21that had anything to do with it but um yeah no I mean they literally only ran 32 plays Matt yeah that's
79:28why yeah what are you doing Josh I'm looking at what are you gonna do I'm looking at stat head that was
79:34the fourth fewest amount of plays in a game ever in their database the 1999 brands did it Raiders last year at
79:4130 plays the Saints did in 1980 and then it would be them and we got games going back to the 1960s
79:47on on stat head so fourth fewest that we're watching Devin Bush was not lying to us that was the truth no
79:53no um I'll say this you know people shit on the Bears defense because Bryce Young torched them in the first game
80:00ever since then they've given up nine seven and 12 points uh Dennis Allen has this defense cooking yeah and they need
80:06some pieces and their entire secondaries hurt but they play with their hair on fire and they're doing a very very very
80:13good job here um yeah I mean that for Bears fans that just get ready you're get totally getting some weird mid-season
80:19trade from Ryan Poles to get you like a secondary you know maybe giving up too much hopefully it goes better I
80:26also wanted to shout out Ben Johnson definitely is is he's got a few burner accounts did you guys see that he
80:32only trotted Case Keenum out for the first game because it had leaked the first play of the game because Tyson Bajan
80:39it late leaked that he was going to be the starter um some people would theorize like oh he was keeping it
80:45coy because he has so much respect for Aaron Glenn and apparently no it was just he was being he was being
80:51petty which I think I like I think I like both quarterbacks were in for the first snap uh but Case Keenum
80:58took the under center snap so I guess that just you know allows him to say well you guys are wrong uh
81:04I actually started case what is his deal seek help he's crazy he's crazy he's crazy he's crazy he has Aaron Glenn's
81:11number uh like former co-workers uh and one guy is thriving and the other guy is is quite not Gino Smith left
81:17with a hand injury he played through it but it is his right hand so that's something to keep in mind because
81:24I actually think Gino's Smith has played pretty good football so far this season all right we have four games to go
81:30but we didn't get complete eyeballs in all of them so let's quickly go through the Sunday morning game that everyone was
81:37watching over in Tottenham Hotspur Stadium uh more scoring in that stadium than ever in the Roberto Deserby era uh Colts 30
81:43commanders 13 I mean Hayden am I fair to say like the Colts don't move me here with 30 points especially going
81:50up against a seventh round rookie quarterback um and then also down Terry McLaurin and company so it's Jonathan Taylor with two
81:56touchdowns and Daniel Jones with run one rushing score and that's all we get yeah I mean the receiving numbers are very
82:02lackluster for for the Colts here I the people listening to the show watch this game more than me because I was
82:09you know we were we were alive so I didn't get any eyes on this one but you know the to me
82:15like the Josh Downs was the storyline on the Colts side of things because you know once we got Keenan Allen ruled
82:22out it was it was a competition of who can rank Josh Downs the highest uh in the industry and and that's
82:28always a what can go wrong situation uh so I don't know exactly what happened there but the 16 scoreless is a
82:35certainly a rug pull yeah I saw a decent bit of this game because uh watched it before we started on the
82:41start to sit show and then you guys obviously wrapped up the last hour and a half of it I will say
82:48like to your point Josh I mean this does not move me at all from an Indianapolis standpoint I think you could
82:54make an argument that context adjusted they were not they were the worst team uh between the two like the commanders Marcus
83:00Mariota leaves the game and um eighth eighth in Kaliak Manis starts the rest of the way for this team which I
83:07had to text Nate Tice I was like who TF is this guy uh because I had not I was not familiar
83:13with his work uh seventh round rookie to his credit though he was bombing this thing over the head of sauce Gardner
83:20pretty consistently speaking of bad mid-season trade that that quietly might be one of the worst NFL trades in recent history I
83:26know I know there's obviously some big quarterback ones that we can point at but that has been a disaster for Indianapolis
83:33especially because like Chris Ballard made it when he was really feeling himself it is a disaster but Traylon Burks got him
83:39for one Deami Brown got him once so credit to Kaliak Manis he was ripping that thing downfield so the defense wasn't
83:46good and then offensively Daniel Jones was just like a mess at the start of this game like there were a couple
83:52of screens set up for Josh Downs that like the offensive line maybe blew the play up but Daniel Jones also fumbled
83:58off one where I don't know what the hell he was thinking like Daniel Jones has not been good to to start
84:05this season and you're looking at like four or five yards per attempt 4.2 excuse me yards per attempt for for Daniel
84:11Jones Jonathan Taylor 4.8 yards per carry so um yeah it was definitely a bummer to see this for Josh Downs but
84:18credit to the commander's defense that when they can blitz you that mean that's what they need they they got to get
84:24home with the blitz because the secondary is rough but I think this was a really discouraging offensive performance for the Colts
84:31passing game 100% and kind of a reset here for the commanders moving forward uh with Jaden Daniels coming back and he
84:37was already named the starter one second after this game was over no kidding five uh one second after after it was
84:44over okay next where should we go I actually watched a fair bit of the Miami Dolphins and the Minnesota Vikings God
84:50bless let's talk through that one okay Vikings 15 Dolphins 10 I love this show talking about Will Reichard uh I mean
84:56all five field goals he nailed them and in fact maybe you could have had a last second one but the the
85:03Vikings just ran out the clock uh we are through four weeks in the NFL season and I can't tell you if
85:09Kyler Murray is comfortable throwing the football in a Kevin O'Connell offense but that might not matter that much because one they're
85:164-0 and two he was able to hit TJ Hawkinson here against an horrible Dolphins secondary for 13 catches and 119 yards
85:22that was all of our Jordan Addison points went to TJ Hawkinson and then yeah Aaron Jones just another game of 24
85:29touches here Matt uh the guy's gonna need an ice bath for uh seven straight days I think yeah for real um
85:35I saw uh Jordan Mason on the sideline talking with him and like yeah get ready Jordan Mason you're gonna get a
85:42lot of work as soon as you uh possibly can yeah 13 targets 13 catches for TJ Hawkinson was he basically just
85:48playing the uh the the part of Trey McBride for for Kyler Murray uh in this game because every time I and
85:55he by the way he could have walked into the end zone for a touchdown and then he just knelt it um
86:01you know as somebody that started Kyler Murray in our in our fantasy league I'm my feelings were hurt by that for
86:07sure but yeah it's TJ Hawkinson going crazy against what might be the worst pass defense I've ever seen four and oh
86:14and we have no clue about the offense like it's it's one of the biggest mysteries I mean like that's like it's
86:20I don't even know how to like recalibrate this uh and what makes it so fascinating is the rest of the division's
86:27offenses are going to be hanging up 30 burgers the entire season so like they're four and oh that they got Brian
86:33Flores but like at some point we got scored more than 15 points against the Dolphins I hear you speaking of the
86:40Dolphins you know the fantasy football group think myself included yeah said Ollie Gordon is splitting the nine and a half fancy
86:46points in half of Devon H and with Jalen Wright um Ollie Gordon had two explosives in this game and that equaled
86:53you know 90 percent of his work he had a 53 yarder which was kind of a run to the left side
86:59between the guard and the tackle and then guess what his what 25 yard touchdown run was almost an identical play so
87:05I mean good for him it's it's you know only 11 touches but he showed I think some explosive ability that the
87:12Dolphins have been lacking all season long and I did want to bring up one explosive that didn't get there it was
87:18a I think like 68 yard touchdown to Chris Bell who truly finishes with three zeros uh that Malik Willis buys 10
87:25seconds of time and dumps it to Chris Bell who breaks tackles and runs through everyone and everything of the sort and
87:31yet he steps out just before he catches the football so it's it's illegal touching and that play is drawn back so
87:38uh it's one of those truly awesome plays that never existed in the box score I gotta say shout out to Ollie
87:44Gordon for shoving it down uh our throats here because I think the process was right like it's not happening for Devon
87:51H and how's it going to happen for Ollie Gordon but fantasy football is weird man the NFL is an unpredictable sport
87:57so I think Ollie Gordon's like a solid back it wasn't anything a shade to Ollie Gordon but um yeah nine carries
88:03for 100 yards and a touchdown Malik Washington still got there with the five for five on the scam though so there
88:10is that yeah we we love a good scam and that is Malik Washington who also had two backfield carries so we
88:16were correct in all of that conversation uh quickly Baltimore Ravens 24 Tennessee Titans 18 biggest news Lamar Jackson exits with an
88:23ankle injury uh is seen in a walking boot afterwards I believe they say it is you know just to be safe
88:29but hopefully that's the case uh Zay Flowers is just the freaking man and this is a red zone touchdown that he
88:36scored to exactly what we had hoped for in terms of a 19 yard touchdown eight for 118 and a score I'm
88:42just gonna kick this right over to Matt Matt this was like your bold prediction like heading into the season was this
88:49crazy Zay Flowers breakout so like what's changed to you uh yeah um I think Declan Doyle just moving him all over
88:55the place like you're seeing this on the route chart here and some of it obviously is like behind the line of
89:02scrimmage all that but all of these in cuts where Lamar is consistently throwing him the football too this is what this
89:08was big a big part of the theory in addition to I think Zay Flowers has leveled up you know he's somebody
89:14that every year has gotten a little bit better particularly like his ability to win in one-on-one isolated situations but this offense
89:21wants to live over the middle of the field Zay Flowers is unbelievably fast separating over the middle of the field and
89:27making plays with the ball in his hands and Lamar his best stuff has come throwing on these routes over the middle
89:34like he's remember at the start of his career it's like can he throw outside the numbers like well who cares when
89:40you could just throw to Zay Flowers over and over again so leveled up player perfect situation for him can we just
89:47get these two guys like on the field together for an entire game because that has not happened yet uh really uh
89:53in terms of Zay Flowers Lamar full-time yeah he's he's like an easy top 10 you know easy conservative top 10 receiver
90:00rest of season and hey I want to watch this game because statistically it looks like the best connection that Cam Ward
90:06and Colonel Tate have had I mean 222 yards here for Cam Ward and then Carnell Tate nine for 145 on 12
90:12targets so excited to watch that one yep totally agree okay I'm still rifling through here to find games that we did
90:19not cover are there any more Giants Cardinals there any oh my gosh how how could I forget how could you Jameis
90:25Winston revitalized the Jameis Ants after just one week uh 18 of 29 250 three scores two INTs four sacks Matt we
90:32talked about it for the entire week that Jameis has no arm anymore he's not throwing it down the field and then
90:38here week four happens and he's doing all those things again he's doing all those things again so you know we did
90:45discuss this on stats versus film too about how much of it was the weather how much of it was uh Jameis
90:51and his dead arm uh and being a content creator all summer you know hey this was definitely a step in the
90:58right direction I'm not totally sure that the Cardinals defense is the best test in the entire world but um yeah this
91:04was the full Jameis experience and Jacoby Brissett doing the other thing on doing the same thing on the other side I
91:10mean we got what five touchdowns and five picks combined between these two guys um the last one was brutal for Brissett
91:17and the the Cardinals as well um a 98 yard interception return for a touchdown when Michael Wilson loses the press man
91:23slant rep and Brissett still just throws it right to Deontay Banks anyways so um yeah this was two kind of like
91:30two Jameis's Spider-Man memeing uh between Brissett and Winston here I was looking at Malik neighbors highlights uh real quick his big
91:36plays down the field those those were absolute lollipops from Jameis Winston I would not say like the arm concern things are
91:43like you know completely back those are balloons uh going to Malik neighbors uh who apparently like kind of like fell on
91:49his shoulder again was you know looking at it for a second stuff that's that's just going to be kind of frustrating
91:56but you know we're talking about like one of the best athletes in the world like if someone's going to get better
92:02and play through injuries as the season progresses it's probably somebody like him well and the fact that the Giants keep winning
92:08is good news too because I I'm still worried that at some point he's going to land on that shoulder and decide
92:15like you know what it's it's enough already for me this season but the fact that they're three and one right that
92:21helps him stay out there yep that is an excellent point three and one for this Giants team is kind of outstanding
92:28now their last two wins have been the Titans and the Cardinals but they do get the commanders next I'll beat the
92:34commander's defense is blitzing from Durante Jones almost at Brian Flores like levels so I I think that's pretty notable here um
92:41and on top of that uh I guess hey I want to send it to you like I did a review of
92:47the 14 players that I'm betting my fantasy season on I put Malik neighbors as an ex can I immediately change that
92:54to a check mark after this week for uh can I just go with another emoji I'm kind of in between Malik
93:00neighbors I feel like the the fourth round Malik neighbors that we were getting like we're in pretty good shape there um
93:07but you know there's been some awesome wide receivers you know like Zay Flowers was in that range so you know but
93:13at the same time like you're drafting next to you know Travis Achan and when whatnot so I think he's holding the
93:19line and uh you're you're drafting him not for October and September you're drafting for December and you know we might be
93:26able to get there okay let's talk Cardinals I know we have to review this game and we'll talk about a lot
93:32in stats versus film but like you said Jacoby three INTs two touchdowns I think maybe the bigger conversation is Jeremiah Love
93:39so he handled 26 touches last week here he gets 14 for 63 and then just one reception that went for negative
93:45eight yards meanwhile Tyler Algier eight carries 42 yards and a touchdown they were asking Jeremiah Love about like the differences in
93:52the snap counts game on game and he's had some interesting answers to the point that he was saying this is going
93:58to be the most difficult season of my life I kind of need to prep myself and like space out these touches
94:05as the season goes along so uh Hayden maybe it's not as much wheels up bell cow as we thought yeah that's
94:11you know that that is definitely a little bit concerning um I I still haven't loved what I've seen from Tyler Algier
94:17uh I obviously haven't watched this game so if this is kind of the floor though where we're getting you know 15
94:24touches and you know the offense isn't completely bottomed out and that was like the you know like this team heading into
94:30the season was projected for 17 points a game like they're nowhere near that right now they scored 26 7 against the
94:37Seahawks and then it's 30 and 24 points so you know versus expectations of as a like as a team I feel
94:43like they're they're clearing that so um even if he's not like a true true bell cow I think that he can
94:50pay off round three any thoughts Matt yeah I that quote where he said it's going to be the longest year of
94:56my life definitely stood out to me um you know because yeah what week four yeah it's not it sounded very similar
95:03to something uh McCaffrey said last year where he said it was like they're going to be the hardest year of his
95:09life because he was taking a bunch of work um so yeah it just makes me think like why are we banging
95:15Jeremiah Love into the wall for a team that's you know going nowhere when he they hope he has a long productive
95:22future so definitely don't love that for fantasy managers I do love 30 targets for Michael Wilson the last two week combined
95:2892 yards per game 52 percent of the air yards uh it's disgusting stuff with Trey McBride I mean it is pretty
95:35shameful what Brissette is doing he just just gets rid of that ball as fast as he possibly can um Marv got
95:41a touchdown early in this game so good good for him that was that was good to see you know he threw
95:48up the little quiet uh his one catch that was one catch today yes correct yeah this is also a shadow how
95:54many catches are going to happen yeah it was foreshadowing the one catch he may or may not be on the trade
96:01block uh we'll see but yeah Michael Wilson is the man uh 30 targets in the two games combined it was awesome
96:07okay gentlemen we've done it we'll cover those more in depth that we missed especially Malik Navarro so I know that's a
96:13fascinating conversation for all of you this has been an amazing week four that leads us into week five coming up thank
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