0:00Oh yes! Welcome to the week four game by game recap and what a Sunday it was.
0:05For 75% of you, Vikings kicker Will Reichard might have been your highest scoring player, but if not, that means you actually
0:11had a very, very good fantasy week. And gentlemen, I think there are three, four, no teams left in the NFL depending
0:18on, you know, Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football.
0:21However, the 0-4 teams, a couple of them, might actually be the more notable and shocking developments that we have here.
0:27And Hayden, let's kick off with one of those as Houston Texans fall to 0-4 on the season as they lose 34-30 to the Dallas Cowboys.
0:35I mean, I'm looking at this box score. CJ Stroud, 347 yards, two scores.
0:39Nico Collins, the trickle down effect is real. Seven receptions, 118 yards and two scores.
0:43And yet, Hayden, is this the best game C.D.
0:46Lamb has ever played? 21 targets, 17 receptions, 89 yards and one touchdown.
0:50C.D. Lamb's now on pace for 2,116 receiving yards through four games here.
0:53This was sensational game planning by the Dallas Cowboys.
0:56Going into this one, I've been noticing that the Texans, like, middle of the field play has been kind of more busty.
1:02And, like, Kamari Lasseter was struggling in one-on-one situations.
1:05And in this game, C.D. Lamb played a season-high 38% of his snaps inside the slot, including the game winner, where he
1:12got open on a little skinny post against Jalen Petrie.
1:14On that play, like, floor noise, he's being sacrificed to Derek Stingley.
1:18There was a couple of explosives from C.D. Lamb here.
1:21Like, he had, like, a 30-yard play. But as you can see here, almost all of his damage was just quick throws
1:27underneath, and those linebackers weren't making plays. The safeties were missing some tackles here.
1:31So I thought C.D. Lamb played excellent football, as he typically does.
1:35Dak Prescott knew that he was going to be under duress for a lot of this game.
1:40I saw lots of chippings from tight ends and running backs here.
1:43But the game plan was chip Will Anderson, throw the ball into the flats to C.D.
1:48Lamb, and make these backups at linebacker make plays.
1:51And guess what? The Texans, the linebackers did not make plays.
1:54So I thought Dak Prescott played well, composed football.
1:57C.D. Lamb dominated his matchup. And then George Pickens wasn't relied on too much in this game.
2:02But he was drawing some coverages. He had some awesome moments against Lasseter.
2:05And then Javante Williams just plunged it in for a couple scores here.
2:09But the story of this game to me was just the C.D.
2:13Lamb slot work. And I thought that was a really good game plan by the Dallas Cowboys.
2:18Yeah, it feels like the story of this game was elite receivers on both sides of it, too.
2:23With Nico Collins coming back, that impact was immediate.
2:26I'll pull back the curtain here for the viewers and listeners.
2:29I totally thought this was one of my games to watch, too.
2:32So I watched a good chunk of this one.
2:35You know, hey, if I can get a good wide receiver show out of it, I think I feel fine about that.
2:41But yeah, Hayden, I was going to echo a lot of your points about this Texans defense.
2:46Right now in today's NFL, like if you don't have the spine addressed, it is really hard to be the best defense in the NFL.
2:54And that is where the Texans find themselves. It's honestly where the Eagles find themselves, too.
2:58Those were consensus, like top three to five defenses in the league.
3:02I don't think either one of them has performed like that so far.
3:06Yeah, it stinks because I think Will Anderson is playing like an all pro still, maybe the best defensive player in the league.
3:13And yet the Texans are 0-4 and yet they aren't one of these teams that can totally like win a game for their offense.
3:20And the offense has needed that over the last couple of weeks.
3:23Now, sure, they only allowed 19 points in the Indianapolis Colts and then 20 points in Cincinnati Bengals.
3:28But we're seeing other defenses shut down opposition for 9, 7, 12 points, all that type of stuff.
3:34I mean, CJ Stroud has played pretty well. Yes.
3:36Hayden, he in first halves, I felt got passes on target and then second half kind of had to press and press and press.
3:43And maybe that's when some of the negatives happened.
3:46But where do the Texans go from here? And dare I say this might be the best 0-4 team of all time in the NFL?
3:53Well, with Nico Collins, sure. Like this team feels a lot different.
3:57I will say like they really do need their linebackers to play better.
4:01Kamari Lasseter was getting cooked by George Pickens. And obviously, if you started George Pickens, like you don't love the stat line, two catches, 75 yards.
4:08He drew a defensive pass interference, a couple of them in the end zone on top of that.
4:14And there was I was listening to some of the Cowboys reporters who were there.
4:18And they were saying that the Texans were kind of shading the safety a little bit more towards the George Pickens side,
4:24which you felt that if you were watching the CeeDee Lamb because nobody was standing next to him for the entire game.
4:31So frustrating game for George Pickens. Once again, CeeDee Lamb, you can make an argument that he's he's right on the door
4:37of the top five, top eight overall asset. I definitely wanted like the guys you needed.
4:42If you if you did CeeDee Lamb, Kenneth Walker, your team looks pretty dang sweet right now.
4:47That was absolutely possible this season. Quickly on the Cowboys defense side, it was still a struggle for them.
4:52Not stopping the run. I mean, Montgomery and Woody Marks, we don't have to talk about those guys.
4:58Didn't go anywhere this entire game. Well, we do.
5:00Yeah, well, we don't spend too much time. It's just not going to work.
5:05But the secondary has some issues. They were playing a guy, Reddy Stewart, never heard of him.
5:09But I heard that name a million times in this game.
5:13He was in coverage against Nico Collins. The Caleb Downs messed up on the Nico Collins touchdown where Bland was playing outside leverage.
5:19And then Nico Collins busted it inside and Caleb Downs kind of in no man's land.
5:24So there's still lots of coverage bus. Jerron Bland in one on one situations.
5:28He was getting cooked by like Jalen Knoll. Obviously, Nico Collins got him a couple of times as well.
5:34So the Cowboys defense in the back back seven, like we should still feel very comfortable targeting against them.
5:39And the Texans offense, they really did move the ball at this point.
5:43CJ Stroud's averaging 285 yards per game. He does not have an interception on the season as well.
5:48And they're 0 and 4. And that was with some of the worst wide receiver play.
5:53Yeah, definitely. But no, no interceptions with some of the worst wide receiver play without Nico Collins in the second that he got in there.
6:0045 yard in cut the man coverage end zone touchdown.
6:03Versus Bland scrambled real touchdowns. He had a screen in there.
6:07Third and two slot in breaker in the fourth quarter.
6:10Like it was just relentless from Nico Collins. So I feel very good about Nico Collins moving forward just because this offense
6:16cannot move the ball in any other capacity. It's like it's literally just him.
6:20What a stud. What a stud. I will say because because this is my this is my beat.
6:25This is my corner. Jalen Knoll has the explosive play 50 yard reception on the out and up early in this game.
6:32And I joked on Twitter like now it's time to make sure he never sees another target the rest of the game.
6:38It took until the freaking fourth quarter for him to get another target, which was just again another explosive play 20 plus
6:45yards over the middle of the field. I joked with Nate on the forecast this week that like Noel must be smoking
6:51cigs and falling asleep in meetings because otherwise I have no idea why this guy's not more involved.
6:56He did actually run a route though on 72 or 73 percent of the dropbacks, which was a career high for him
7:03and it was much more skewed toward the second half.
7:06He was over 80 percent in the second half.
7:08So I did hear Nick Caley say like, oh, we want to keep getting him work like we want to keep getting him involved.
7:16We're not we're not upset with him or anything.
7:18So again, I think he's a good player that that could actually help this team, but we'll see.
7:23Yeah, to your point. He also had a kick return on for Jalen Knoll that went for an explosive there as well.
7:30And Josh just quickly on the running backs. It was the same rotation as usual.
7:34David Montgomery actually awesome play late in the game.
7:37It was a hook and ladder. I forget who caught the ball.
7:40Somebody in the flat in David Montgomery that goes through the B gap and catches like the the hook and ladder for
7:47I think it's what like 13 or 19 yards.
7:49And then after that play, Woody Marks gets subbed in at the six yard line.
7:54He scores the touchdown. It's largely the same split here.
7:57But like if you thought that David Montgomery is going to get every inside the 10 yard line carry this season, like
8:03you're just wrong and he's not going to create any explosives this season because the offensive line is in the shape that it is.
8:10So I don't know what you do with David Montgomery.
8:13Like I would sell low. Honestly, like I don't know how this gets turned around really.
8:18Yeah, that's back to back weeks where Woody Marks is a rushing touchdown and Dave Montgomery does not have one.
8:24Again, we would think in a game where they score 30 points and they were favorites heading into it that that on paper was a Dave Montgomery game.
8:32But even here again, 10 carries for 24 yards, simply not good enough.
8:36They do have the Tennessee Titans next week. They're going to be favored in that game.
8:40So again, you might go back to the well, but at the same time, this Titans rush defense has been quite good with Jeffrey Simmons and company.
8:48And then after that, like, Hey, you simply can't play him against a team like Jacksonville Jaguars.
8:53It's gotten to that point. Like he farted in the end zone three times in week one.
8:58Ever since then, uh, he barely has, you know, three carries of eight yards or more, if that.
9:04So, uh, this is just where we're at. I think with the scene, Hey, and final question to you, we can say
9:10that, Hey, this Texans defense can turn around and will Anderson is a great player.
9:14And you know, this Texans offense can turn around now that Nico Collins is a trickle down player for them.
9:20Um, I'm looking at Owen for, I know they have some favorable teams coming up on the schedule with the Titans, the
9:27giants, the chargers, the Browns, et cetera, et cetera.
9:29But do you think that Kaylee makes it for the entire season?
9:33I don't know what Nick Kaylee did wrong in this game, to be honest.
9:37Like, I mean, he got Nico Collins, the ball Jalen Noel had a couple of, a couple of explosives.
9:43I like them sticking with, with him in part of the lineup.
9:46I mean, he, he, you can only do so much with this offensive line, you know?
9:51And I think that's where it's more of like the, the whole leadership of the Houston Texans.
9:56This has been a problem for four straight years.
9:58I mean, like how, like truly how much longer could we actually survive by, by playing this way?
10:04I think Stroud's had a pretty good season this year.
10:07And with Nico Collins going like this team can put up some points, uh, luckily, you know, like they're in a division
10:13where they can kind of get back into things, but it's most likely going to be a wild card at, at this point.
10:20So like you need to like teams like the Broncos losing close games is that's who they're going to be competing against to sneak back in here.
10:28Luckily that, you know, the Titans are really bad.
10:30The Colts have been very up and down, uh, but they really need their linebackers to get healthy.
10:36And their corner has got to play like shutdown corners.
10:39And like this year they, they have not. All right, Matt, speaking of offensive lineman, let's talk about the green Bay Packers
10:45as they go into Tampa Bay and beat the bucks.
10:4817, 14, the bucks were, I'm not gonna say a trendy NFC South champion pick, but they certainly had a lot of favorites out there.
10:55Uh, they are Owen four on the season and they bring in Jalen Daniels.
10:59I can't wait to hear how he looks after one touchdown, two reception, three sacks taken in 148 yards.
11:05But let's first talk about the Packers. Okay. 197 yards, two touchdowns for Jordan love one interception and zero sacks taken.
11:11Was this, Hey, let's just do enough and get out of here with this one.
11:16Yeah. I mean, kind of Jordan love was 18 to 20 on passes of under 10 air yards.
11:21Uh, he actually didn't really get anything going down the field, which I thought was surprising because this bucks defense is pretty vulnerable.
11:28Um, and you know, they've left a lot of voids down the field for quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson and the like this year.
11:34So I was a little bit surprised about that.
11:37Um, some plays left on the field too. They had a really frustrating goal line sequence.
11:42Uh, the first play of the second quarter, Tucker craft drops a touchdown.
11:45Uh, he eventually did score later in the game, but, uh, he dropped touchdown there and then they just could not get
11:52in on the goal line until Matthew golden finally had like a pretty nice leaping catch, uh, along the, in the end zone there.
11:59But the run game actually was significantly better for green Bay in this game.
12:03I mean, it was a true split backfield. So I don't actually know if there's a real fantasy winner here.
12:09Um, because it was truly split kind of all over the place.
12:12Marshawn Lloyd ends up leading the way in terms of touches 48% of the running back touches, but he didn't get anything going on the ground.
12:20Johnny was useful as a receiver. Whereas meanwhile, Caleb Johnson had some nice runs, uh, kind of up the gut there.
12:26Like Vita Veya was off the field and he had his longest run then, but, uh, then he also fumbled in this game.
12:33Chris Brooks had a couple of nice moments. So again, I don't think we can come out of it being like, Ooh, the Packers run game.
12:41Now we might want to start these guys in fantasy.
12:43Cause it was just a true, true split. But you know, Lake and Tomlinson at least being in the mix at guard
12:50was a welcome site considering some of the other things they've rotated in and out this year.
12:55Tucker crafts made so many like kind of just knucklehead moments to see is obviously that drop touchdown, uh, was pretty killer,
13:01but it was able to get in. Like you said, uh, was there anything different about like how they were utilizing him?
13:08I've seen seven, uh, targets in this one, Christian Watson with only three and he's, he's going to be like one of
13:14the tight ends that I've had a difficult time ranking every single week because I know he has way more potential and
13:21like yards after catch ability than what he's shown this season.
13:24So like, I'm hoping that we're like getting back to the point where we can trust Tucker craft as a top 10 option.
13:31Yeah. The touchdown was frustrating, but otherwise he did have, um, and it was all a lot of like short stuff, which is a little bit skewed.
13:39Cause of course he's getting usage around the goal line, but seven yards after catch per reception, there was at least some
13:45moments where he looked a little bit more like Tucker craft.
13:48And I think the drop just might be one of those, Hey, he hasn't practiced a ton.
13:53He's not totally in rhythm, just fluky stuff for him.
13:56Cause this is usually a guy in his first few seasons in the NFL who like never dropped passes.
14:02And he's made a few mistakes each of the last few weeks.
14:05Matt, to your point, a 31 yard run against this bucks front with Vita Bay by Caleb Johnson and a 27 yard
14:12run by Chris Brooks, who I think I saw a Packers fan referred to him as a left guard wearing number 30,
14:18which I thought was a very apt, uh, note for what Chris Brooks's role has been all season long.
14:24Yeah. And then there we have it. Marshawn Lloyd, the seven carries and a long gain of five.
14:29So, um, I I'm intrigued to see if the Packers make any moves here.
14:33Tony Pollard's name was mentioned by Adam Schefter, uh, during Sunday morning.
14:37Um, because something has to change. I think for this team to be somewhat balanced because I know they only allowed 14
14:43points, but right now the defense isn't good enough.
14:46And Micah Parsons isn't going to come back till November.
14:49And then the passing game can be, uh, but yet there's zero rushing attack to counts balances the entire thing out for a team that loves play action.
14:57I'm just quoting what a quote on the Packers issue of fumbling.
15:00A great teacher is the bench. Uh, I mean, I guess we'll find out.
15:04Yeah, it was really unfortunate for Caleb Johnson. He fumbled in the low red zone when, and I did think he had a couple of nice moments.
15:12Like I mentioned his, his one long run did come.
15:15My, I'm pretty sure when Vita Veya was off the field, which may have something to do with it because otherwise they
15:22didn't get a ton going up the gut. But yeah, Marshall Lloyd at least did have a sweet hurdle in this game.
15:28So, you know, if you, uh, if you want to go back and watch those highlights after you drafted him over the
15:35summer to make yourself feel a little bit better, you can do that.
15:38Okay, Matt, I'm going to send it right back to you with the box here.
15:43Jalen Daniels undrafted free agent wins the second quarterback job out of camp.
15:47I mean, that's an incredible story in itself. I didn't watch a single snap of him playing here, but I know people
15:53who drafted him, Mekka Bukasi, four targets, two receptions, 13 yards.
15:56So what did this passing attack look like with Jalen Daniels?
16:00I mean, there was just absolutely nothing going on downfield.
16:02Uh, he completed two passes, uh, past 10 air yards in this game.
16:06Pretty much everything. He only attempted, I think about maybe five of those anyways.
16:10It was a lot of short, get the ball out.
16:13Um, you're going to see a lot more Kate Otten in the box score that you probably bargained for in this one.
16:20Kate Otten also had an, like a pretty ugly drop too, uh, where he could have, that would, might've been one of
16:26the longer like catch and run situations. But yeah, six targets for Kate Otten, seven for Chris Godwin.
16:31Chris Godwin, by the way, averaged 0.29 air yards per target.
16:35And it felt like that watching the game. So, you know, again, what do we make of Jalen Daniels?
16:40He was pressured almost half of his dropbacks in this one too, which I'm still like not quite sure what to make
16:47of the Buccaneers offensive line because they, they have not.
16:50And again, how much is this quarterback? How much is this a scheme?
16:53But it hasn't been what we bargained for to start this year.
16:57Some of these guys are losing just one-on-one situations, which I wasn't expecting.
17:01I was really excited about this offense because of the line.
17:04And that has been a disappointment. And so Jalen Daniels under pressure a ton here.
17:08Could some of that have been his work pre-snap?
17:11Maybe, but, um, for what he is an undrafted free agent, he definitely had, he, he, he did about as well as you possibly could have expected.
17:19And at least from, you know, if you're going to be like an absolute sick freak and super flex, he had a
17:25couple of moments where he got out there and boogied in the open field.
17:29So there's that. Yeah. I know we have some sick freaks that subscribe to the channel.
17:34So that's useful information. Um, I was looking like the Cowboys next.
17:38Interesting. Yeah. Those linebackers are still up and down.
17:40Um, both of the Mecca's screens or, uh, receptions were screens in this one.
17:44So it's, you know, we know what we're signing up for over there.
17:48Okay. Bucky Irving. I see, uh, leads the team in carries by a wide margin, but then I see the dreaded three
17:55carries for Sean Tucker with a touchdown there. What's the panic meter stuff on the Bucky Irving.
18:00We did mention the offensive line, not looking as great.
18:03The quarterback play. Now it is what it is.
18:05And now Sean Tucker is maybe sealing some goal line work.
18:08Like this has me pretty spooked. Yeah. Uh, offensive coordinator, Zach Robinson was asked about, or I don't even know if he was asked or unprompted brought up.
18:17Like we need to get Sean Tucker more work.
18:19And I saw a lot of people kind of like hand waving that away this week.
18:24Well, promises made promises kept, uh, cause he did plunge in the goal line touchdown here with inside the two yard line.
18:30Um, so that is definitely gotta be concerning for Bucky Irving.
18:34Uh, Kenny Gainwell also scored on a receiving touchdown here too.
18:37Um, Bucky ran more routes, but didn't get any targets.
18:40Whereas Kenny Gainwell got a few of the targets.
18:42So this is sort of that. Okay. This was the, the, the bad scenario for Bucky coming into the year where Gainwell
18:49is going to take some passing game work. And then Sean Tucker is going to take some goal line work.
18:55And it's tough guys, because I think Bucky has looked good and even had some good runs.
19:00And when he can especially get to the edge and run to the outside, he's had some really nice moments, but he
19:06also has made a ton of mistakes this year too, with like fumbles, some blown pass protection, some, some weird drops.
19:12It's kind of like three great plays for Bucky.
19:15And then the fourth one is a really frustrating mistake.
19:18So I can kind of understand maybe a coaching staff that is totally underwater is Owen for let's just, let's just throw
19:24something else against the wall and see what sticks.
19:27And that could be a negative for Bucky. Matt, you kind of mentioned it, but this team, the bucks have a quick turnaround for Thursday night.
19:35Football. It's on the road against the Cowboys. Look, we have stats versus film before then we have ranking shows before then, but where are you at?
19:43I'm starting these bucks teams, these bucks players against the defense like that.
19:46Is it, is it a Mekic Buka as a wide receiver three?
19:50Is it Bucky Irving as a running back too?
19:53Or is this, Hey, some of these really fringe flex decisions.
19:56I might lean towards a different quarterback and not rely on Jalen Daniels.
20:00Yeah. I also really worry that, I mean, the type of quarterback Jordan love is he's always going to kind of hunt for explosives.
20:07And, you know, obviously in this game, they don't find a ton of those, but I worry about the type of quarterback
20:13that Dak Prescott is, is, is a specifically bad matchup for a Todd Bowles defense where he can just be surgical and
20:19find the like Kirk cousins always would tear up this bucks defense.
20:23Cause he's really smart. Yeah. Just replaced a blitz.
20:26And like, he could do that all game. And I, that would make me a little nervous for Bucky Irving, who I
20:32do think now is entering that boom bust running back two phase.
20:36And for a Mecca book, I, can you even call him a wide receiver three?
20:40Like, I think he looks good. I think he looks good on tape.
20:44He's like, he's separating, but he is also running these long developing big over routes.
20:48And just based on what we saw today, Jalen Daniels is not going to hit those consistently.
20:53Certainly. I mean, I think it's probably a bit of a wash like Packers defense, Cowboys defense.
20:58I would probably expect more of the same, but a book is a talented player that can certainly get through, but I
21:05don't even know that I would call him a wide receiver three at this point.
21:09Meanwhile, the Packers have the bears next. So can't wait for that conversation and that game coming up.
21:14All right. I'll take it next. Jacksonville Jaguars 22 Cincinnati Bengals 17.
21:18Joe Burrow throws for 428 yards and the Bengals lose.
21:21Why? Well, the Bengals only ran for 23 yards in this game.
21:24Jamar Chase left in the first half with a concussion and then driving to win the game.
21:29They get to the plus 45. But T Higgins is out with a groin injury after catching 11 passes for 157 yards in this contest.
21:37And then Joe Burrow had two rough interceptions, which were easy, like the two worst plays of the day for him.
21:43Conversely, the Jaguars leading receiver was Britain strange with 95 yards on seven targets, including a clutch third and eight to set
21:49up what turned out to be the game winning touchdown.
21:52I think we can copy and paste that middle of the field tied in targets against this Bengals defense until they show us that they can stop it.
22:00Brian Thomas Jr. Popped up with a touchdown thanks to Parker Washington literally pulling two defenders away wide open in the back.
22:07P wash, unfortunately for us, finishes with just one catch for seven yards.
22:11That catch was initially ruled a 39 yard gain, but he stepped out of bounds and he also had a nearly big
22:17catch between two defenders, but couldn't corral it like he had kind of been doing in the opening three weeks of the season.
22:24Just keep going with this. I mean, it was a weird contest in that Chris Rodriguez scored a 25 yard touchdown.
22:30Like the one snap that Dexter Lawrence was not on the field, but Basial Tootin had another nearly day.
22:35I mean, two touchdowns called back one for 45 yards.
22:38It was a clear hold. Good call against Ezra Cleveland.
22:41And then another goal line touchdown. Also holding and called back.
22:45So yeah, I mean this Jaguars team, they are.
22:47We stop the run and we play to create turnovers on defense.
22:51And then we have enough pieces and good coaching to get it done despite some maybe offensive line issues up front.
22:57But again, they are three in one with some really tough games in their rearview mirror.
23:02I think the Bengals defense is just so fascinating.
23:04We see in the box score again. I was just looking at it last year.
23:09They allowed the most fancy points to tight ends at 21 per game to opposing tight ends.
23:14And then they were third best against fantasy wide receivers.
23:16And then exactly that happens once again. So is it like almost as simple as that on the Parker Washington stuff?
23:23I thought he was going to like, you know, evade DJ Turner and then be able to beat up on everybody else.
23:29But I guess if tight ends are open over the middle of the field all game long, like, you know, that's just
23:36going to be the first read on a lot of this stuff.
23:39Yeah, from what I could tell, we'll go through and stats for some.
23:43They ran a ton of 12 personnel like they were zooming in on Nate Borkercher and some of these other guys.
23:49Right. And so if that's the case, then P wash is lining up on on the outside and seeing DJ Turner.
23:55I mean, again, this Bengals team has definitely improved.
23:58I mean, they sack Trevor Lawrence four times and on the outside and the defensive line.
24:02They've invested so much. It truly has improved. But again, the linebackers and the safeties it Matt is not matching up with
24:09the talent and the elevation that the other units have for sure.
24:12Yeah. I just worry they're going to be one of those funnel defenses over the middle of the field.
24:18Yeah. I'll certainly be interested to see the Parker Washington like go back and watch that tape because you would think he's
24:24about 46 percent snaps in the slot here. You would think he would have avoided DJ Turner a good bit in this one.
24:31And also, this can just be as simple as like, hey, stuff happens unless you're and even frankly, this happens to the big boys at wide receiver.
24:39But Josh, like even if you're even like for anybody other than like the two or three best receivers in the league,
24:46you're going to have games like this. Like this is just part of it.
24:50I mean, I know people will be freaking out about it all week, you know, whining and crying.
24:55But like this is what happens to basically every wide receiver in the league.
24:59If you are a wide receiver to this happens, if you're a wide receiver three, this happens almost every week.
25:05It's very frequent. So, yeah, like you're saying, unless you're top five, top eight, then we're going to see some high variance
25:11in this to to your game just quickly on the Bengals.
25:15I mean, again, just so many injuries and the T Higgins thing.
25:18He had this awesome toe tapping grab for a 10 yard game, his 10th catch of the game on the sideline instantly grabs his groin.
25:25Somehow he comes in like two series later. It has already been reported that it's an adductor injury.
25:31And that might mean like a multi-week thing. Again, Jamar Chase, how he got his concussion is he had his jargon with
25:37the catch along the sideline, got his face mask pulled.
25:40And as he was getting pulled, he was kind of getting held up off the ground.
25:45And then a Jaguars defender just comes up and destroys him to the ground.
25:49I mean, annihilation hit. So that sucks. And then Chase Brown couldn't get going in the rushing game at all.
25:55But Chase Brown had eight catches heading into this game.
25:58And here he is for 11 catches for 71 yards.
26:01And then Mike Kosicki splits the safeties, catches three for 40 and a touchdown.
26:05And if one, one of T Higgins or Jamar Chase misses extended time, I'm picking up Mike Kosicki.
26:10If both miss, then I think Mike Kosicki Hayden is in me that flex conversation out there.
26:15I think that's interesting. I'm also looking up a player, Dante Myers.
26:18Nine targets go 7-42. I'm on, I got his Wikipedia open right now.
26:22Undrafted player. He went to Delta State. Delta State.
26:25Name the state. I don't know where Delta State is.
26:28And then he has been on the Saskatchewan Rough Riders for the last couple of years.
26:33And going into this game, I saw the local beat talking about him being like, they kind of really like this guy.
26:39And obviously with Yoshivosh sidelined as well, like he's going to be on the football field with Joe Burrow.
26:45But potentially this week without the top two wide receivers, like this is going to be something we're going to have to get right for the WaveWire show.
26:53Oh, this is actually one of the the best stories in the NFL and kind of Andrew Hawkins.
26:58Oh, in that, like you said, Dante Myers had to pay his way in order to get a CFL audition and then
27:04goes out there and gets like a thousand yards in the CFL.
27:08And then Joe Burrow sometime this offseason. I'm gonna have this story completely right.
27:12Says, hey, man, do you want to throw? I know you're in the area.
27:16And Dante Myers says yes, is not in the area and instead drives himself overnight to get a pitch and catch session with Joe Burrow.
27:24And as you said, he pops up here for seven catches for 82 yards.
27:28The early stuff was screens and he has some juice to his game, like yards after catch.
27:33And then he made some major downfield catches, too, along with Mitchell Tinsley doing the exact same thing.
27:38So, yeah, Dante Myers. I'll be talking with Joel with after Monday Night Football on the waiver show.
27:43That's for sure, Matt. I'm absolutely charting this guy this week for sure.
27:47I got a comment on I just did a video for my YouTube channel ranking all 32 NFL wide receiver rooms.
27:53And I made the made the point about, yeah, the Bengals are awesome, but they've actually sneaky been desperate for a third receiver for some time now.
28:01And someone asked me in the comments about Dante Myers.
28:04Like, I mean, I got nothing for you on the CFL tape.
28:07I'm not charting CFL tape, but we've got an NFL game here with 93 percent route participation.
28:12So I'm definitely going to take a look at this guy this week because, yeah, like I said, they have been hurting.
28:19And for a real deal wide receiver three for a minute.
28:22So we'll see if it can be this. That's a pretty cool story there.
28:26Yeah. And just two more quick notes on this game.
28:29The first one is there were 24 penalties, 24.
28:32The rest were very flag happy, including the Jaguars had 10 penalties for 110 yards in the first half.
28:37Just ridiculous stuff. And Travis Hunter was excellent as a defensive back.
28:41He had one interception that was called back due to a good roughing the passer penalty.
28:46There are other hard hits along the sidelines and PBUs as well.
28:49So he is really emerging. And like over the last 12 ish quarters, I think has played really, really, really good football here.
28:56All right. Patriots and Bills. I mean, Hayden, out of the court of my eye, this game was flashing.
29:01The scoreboard was flashing. And yet it's Efton Chisholm with the game winning touchdown as the Patriots win 29 to 26.
29:08I mean, the Patriots are broken. Drake may three touchdowns.
29:11How did it all get fixed here in week four?
29:13I mean, this is just where our jobs become so impossible because things change so quickly.
29:18There is no reason to think that Drake may would be the quarterback one in fantasy as of this recording right now.
29:25And that Romeo Dobbs would have another drop that goes to an interception.
29:28And by the way, I thought that was kind of Drake May's fault more than anything.
29:33I think it was a bad ball. But then after that, he has a fourth and three catch that leads to a one handed fade touchdown.
29:41He also had a high point skinny post touchdown earlier in the game.
29:45So he finishes with a monster game after looking unplayable.
29:47And the Patriots, quite frankly, they didn't want to play him when AJ Brown was healthy.
29:52The reason why these guys get going is like Matt Collins.
29:55He leaves in the third quarter with a calf injury.
29:58So by the end of this game, when this thing is really close going back and forth, it is F's and Chisholm
30:05who's on the field in very key situations. He beat Harrison, who really struggled again in this game.
30:10The Bills didn't have their top corner in this one.
30:13He beats Harrison for a first down and then has the one handed grab of his life where it was some one handed grabs.
30:20There's like a little bobble element to it where he only uses one hand.
30:24This was just like, boom, caught it. And that was an awesome, awesome moment for him.
30:29The running backs, it was kind of like the same old split there.
30:33Neither of them had like the monster game. Like that thing stood out like on tape there.
30:38But the offensive line like had a couple kind of gaffes.
30:41But for the most part, to me, like the thing that stood out for the Patriots more than anything was Drake May just using his legs.
30:4854 rushing yards in this one. This is something that Mike Brable talked about after the game.
30:53Like that was the difference as we get to the Bills side in a second here.
30:58Not as much scrambling around for Josh Allen. And this one, Drake May pulled pulled away and then kind of some no
31:05namers that were written off got going in. So a really fascinating game.
31:08The Patriots were going to be in deep trouble if they did not pull off this upset.
31:13And that they did. Yeah. Hayden, just on the Romeo Dobbs stuff, what type of routes was he getting the catches on?
31:20Because I think he's been sneaky, like really misused as a vertical.
31:23It was like 27% go routes in the first three weeks of the season.
31:27So both of his touchdowns, you have a fade and then a post route.
31:31So those were more downfield routes. But for the most part, it was more like the quick out variety.
31:37It felt a little bit more Packers coated there.
31:40There was a couple moments from Drake May to Romeo Dobbs and other players where just like, you know, it's the middle of the field.
31:47These aren't going to be in highlight reels, but like just throwing the ball perfectly over zone defenders near the sideline toe drag.
31:54So it wasn't just Romeo Dobbs on that. But there was a lot of awesome moments from Drake May near the sideline there.
32:00So, yeah, I think kind of encouraging for Romeo Dobbs.
32:03I think, you know, the fact that Matt Collins, if he does miss with his calf injury, that's how we get Romeo
32:10Dobbs to like literally 100% of the snaps. You need to like pop Douglas, these guys, you can only trust them so much.
32:17I think that Romeo Dobbs becomes definitely very interesting as a wide receiver three next week.
32:21I'm open to Matt Collins Ewing theory situation here.
32:24Yeah. Okay. Hey, I have to ask because I just dropped Drake May in the experts league for CJ stride, which worked
32:30out, you know, just overall for my sanity. But did I make a mistake?
32:34Like Drake May throws for 269 yards here. Previous high, I think in a game was 209 yards.
32:40He had two others under 200 yards. So is this real?
32:43How many games you need to see for this to be real once again?
32:47Because again, it's not like he just opened the season poorly.
32:50Yeah. He finished last season in the playoffs miserably.
32:53So we almost have a longer stretch in the last seven games of him turning the football over and all that type
32:59of stuff, which he still did here with an interception and a lost fumble.
33:04Then we do him like playing good football as of late.
33:07Well, the schedule opens up. So that's the first thing you instead of facing the Seahawks, Steelers and Jaguars.
33:12Now you get the Mr. Schedule. Yeah, exactly. Now you got the Raiders, Jets, Bears, Dolphins, Packers.
33:17And we'll see if Micah Parsons is available. So like one thing we got the schedule going his way.
33:23I will say watching the game, the offensive line is still in trouble.
33:27I thought that the right guard replacement was not playing very well.
33:30There was like there's still like kind of, you know, scheming around Will Campbell.
33:34And there's some moments against Will Campbell that led to some pressure.
33:38And then on the Bills defense side, there's just like the cornerback play is just not good enough.
33:43You know, and I think that's especially true with with Benford.
33:46And they put Benford in some pretty difficult situations.
33:49But when he's not out there, like they just don't have like top end corners at the moment.
33:54So that's like obviously helpful when, you know, Romeo Dobbs and Efton Chisholm are winning their one on ones like at the catch point.
34:01That's, you know, that to me is like definitely a little bit damning on the Buffalo Bill side of things, too.
34:07Hey, now I also want to ask on the opposite end.
34:11Let's go to the Bills. You know, the first two weeks for Don Kincaid were incredible.
34:15You know, five receptions, 130 yards, seven receptions, 95 yards.
34:18Should we almost view him like the wide receiver two conversation that we had before where it can just be rocky?
34:24Because that's two catches for 38 yards, then one catch for seven yards here.
34:28What happened with Don Kincaid in this contest? I was listening to variable after the game and they said one of the
34:35big keys was getting rid of Dalton Kincaid there.
34:38But, you know, you would hope that when DJ Moore, he leaves like going into halftime, it's a setback of the same injury.
34:44I guess you just didn't want to get the injection or there's just too risky or whatever it was.
34:50But there's some certainty going into next week where like, you know, his upside is like just proven too high.
34:56Now he's there's definitely a big tear break between the top guys.
34:59And, you know, I think George Kittle has like obviously like surpassed the Dalton Kincaid range at this point.
35:05But like you're still starting him in most situations.
35:07I think he's still like a flex play if you have them, especially if DJ Moore is not out there.
35:13The guy that stepped up was Keon Coleman. And I can say just watching the film, there were more real moments this
35:20week than there has been in previous Keon Coleman blow up games.
35:23He had a fantastic play on the sideline. His touchdown was working down the field as well.
35:28He looks maybe a step faster. I'd be curious on stats versus film or whenever you guys are watching this game back.
35:35If he just looks like a half second faster there.
35:38And he also had like a little motion first read explosive underneath as well.
35:42So there was like some real stuff that Keon Coleman was doing in this one.
35:46But unfortunately for the Bills, you know, Khalil Shakir has a fumble in the two minute drill like that.
35:52That gave the Patriots an opportunity that they, of course, failed on.
35:55But there's nothing like really that crazy bad about the Bills offense here.
35:59It's just one of those games where their defense allows 29 by that.
36:03James Cook looked good. Not having DJ Moore proved to be definitely hurtful at the margins.
36:08But Shakir got going underneath. Keon Coleman had a big game.
36:11So I don't really have like anything crazy to say about the Bills offense at all.
36:15Yeah, I'm really curious about Keon. 34% snaps in the slot for him here.
36:20You know, he's someone that I didn't want to see just kind of tethered at X receiver even early on in his career.
36:26And like Josh Palmer is the sub 10% slot player here, which I think is perfectly fine for his skill set.
36:32But yeah, I'm like I thought Keon even on the Thursday night game against the Lions ran some really nice just like
36:39quick out routes and made himself a little more open than we're used to see.
36:43And of course, that's the Lions. So this was a little bit better defense here to see.
36:48So even if he's just a nice quality role player for the and I mean role player complimentary for the Bills, that would be a nice development.
36:56Hey, this will be a theme of tonight's episode, but it feels like a bunch of pass catchers or even just running
37:03backs that enter games banged up, like actually hurt us in fantasy football because they just got more banged up and then
37:09didn't finish these contests rather than just giving us zeros.
37:12And we know we can just pivot off of them.
37:15Yeah. DJ Moore, again, aggravated his shoulder injury after just one catch for 11 yards and one carry for six yards.
37:21It is not, though, considered, quote, a long term issue as of right now.
37:25So people will have some like PTSD here of putting DJ Moore in their starting lineups after he, again, just re aggravates it after a couple of touches.
37:33That's just what an AC joint is. You know, it bothers you if you land on it.
37:38And he was on the sideline and he landed on it pretty decent.
37:42There was, you know, like some of the Twitter doctors like he's going to get injection.
37:47He'll be back in the third quarter. And then he just he just didn't return.
37:51So, you know, there's there's different grades of, you know, this collarbone collarbone type of stuff.
37:56So hopefully he didn't actually injure it further. But, you know, there's there's risk with all these players that are on the injury report.
38:03That's like why we have to knock them down a couple spots and rankings if they aren't practicing in full football.
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38:46The crown is yours. Let's move on. The San Francisco 49ers are 4-0 despite losing player after player after player.
38:52And they beat the Denver Broncos 24-14. Brock Purdy, 2-18, two touchdowns.
38:55I think the fourth straight game he has not taken a sack here.
38:59Matt? CMC, 52 yards, one touchdown. Mike Evans, 76 yards, zero touchdowns.
39:03George Kittle, 70 for one. So on paper, it doesn't look like a huge explosion here for the 49ers offense, but they did just enough to win it.
39:11Don't forget our boy BBL Debo got in there for a receiving touchdown.
39:15I'm going to use that all season long. Shout out to whoever said that.
39:19It was perfect. He was looking pretty spry out there, too, was Debo Samuel.
39:23But yeah, I mean, this game, I'll just be honest, was so frustrating to watch.
39:27Not just because of the injuries to both teams.
39:30Pat Sertan, injured right before the half, non-contact injury.
39:32Riley Moss left the game with a rib injury as well.
39:36Pat Sertan, that looked like a pretty serious knee injury, but they called it an ankle injury.
39:41By the way, it came on the longest play to date.
39:44Kyle Juszczyk, ankle injury, too. Upton Stout, shoulder injury.
39:46I mean, there was just injuries all over the place.
39:49And if you didn't catch that, I said Pat Bryant knee injury on the longest play to the point like deep into the second half.
39:57Because these two offenses were small ball in this thing all day here.
40:01Now, for Brock Purdy and the 49ers, great point, Josh, about the sack avoidance.
40:05He is consistently keeping drives alive and just like keeping plays alive with his ability to avoid sacks.
40:10But really, everything just kind of changed in the late fourth quarter for both of these teams.
40:15Specifically for the Niners, CMC on the drive to push the team to a 17-6 lead.
40:20He just kind of took that thing over. Mike Evans had one big catch there, but he just long, consistent, solid, sustaining runs.
40:26Punched it into the end zone at the very end.
40:29The Broncos score on their next drive. We'll talk about that.
40:32And then the final drive for the Niners. Kittle rips off a 56-yard, shout-out peptides, tight end screen.
40:38Catch and run. Let's go. Just voided space in the blitz.
40:41Just wide open lane there to take it for 56 yards for George Kittle.
40:45You would never guess that he tore his Achilles like seven, eight months ago or whatever.
40:50Yeah, and he led the team in routes. You know, Mike Evans and Debo aren't full-time players right now.
40:55George Kittle, 60 of 66 snaps almost every single route out there.
40:59So, Josh, I'm going to kick it over to you.
41:02You're the George Kittle guy from the entire offseason.
41:04So, like, rest of the season rankings-wise, you know, is it just two ahead of him?
41:09It really might be. I mean, truly one of the best picks on the board.
41:14And, Matt, like you're saying, it's not necessarily the easy stuff over and over and over again.
41:18It's these explosives. It's the red zone work. It's all of it.
41:22So, the more, like, injuries that are happening around him with wide receivers and then the more older wide receivers that are
41:28out there in terms of Evans and Debo Samuel being, what, max 75% players?
41:33And then you have George Kittle, also old, but a superhuman and a future Hall of Famer, is playing and running the most routes.
41:40Like, that is incredible stuff. So, I'm just glad I drafted so much of him.
41:44But, I really don't think there's anything else to talk about here in the 49ers offense.
41:49So, Matt, I have to ask you, RJ Harvey, 10 receptions, 68 yards?
41:52That's disgusting. This was a sickening offense to watch today with the Denver Broncos.
41:57I mean, seriously, before that final drive, which this is kind of what the Broncos have been with Bo Nix, it's really, really frustrating to watch.
42:04And then they kind of come alive in the fourth quarter.
42:07But it was outrageous. And so much of this RJ Harvey stuff, and credit to him, he made a couple of plays
42:14with the ball in his hands, at least one where he actually got them a good chunk of yardage afterwards.
42:20He also nearly caught – I mean, they did end up losing the game, but he almost fumbled on the final drive.
42:26And, you know, luckily the Broncos were able to jump on it.
42:30So, I don't even know how good of a player RJ Harvey is, but he is just getting checked down after checked down after checked down.
42:37Bo Nix has got to let these plays develop a little more.
42:41Sean Payton was asked after the game about Davis Webb as his play caller.
42:45He said, quote, it's too early to consider. It's a fair question.
42:48I appreciate it. It's tough to discuss any of that right now.
42:52So, I don't really even know, though, if I want to blame Davis Webb on this because they cannot run the football
42:58against a team that you absolutely can run the football on.
43:02J.K. Dobbins looks like he's taking a step back.
43:04The offensive line is a little bit underperforming there.
43:07And then it's just so much check down nonsense with Bo Nix to RJ Harvey.
43:11It was, like I said, very, very, very, very tough to watch.
43:15If I was a Broncos fan, this would be driving me crazy right now.
43:19I just looked it up, Matt. On the non-screens targets behind the line of scrimmage, his time to throw is at 2.8
43:25seconds, which is like – that's so fast. For like three seconds is like I would say at least you got to be given them time to develop.
43:34That's crazy. Matt, can you explain this Grant Cohen tweet to me that we just put on?
43:39Oh, boy. It just said Bo Nix's first name is short for Boseph.
43:42Am I missing something here? I am not qualified to do Grant Cohen interpretations on this.
43:47I'm not qualified for that. I don't know what this means.
43:50I don't know what it means either. Maybe like Bozo, Seth, potentially.
43:54Yeah, I mean because like he has a couple of – that's the thing with two where he lets plays develop.
44:00It just usually turns into a moderately useless scramble too for Bo Nix.
44:04There was a couple where it's like get that thing upfield and we get a first down here.
44:09So he's just a – he's a weird quarterback, man, is Bo Nix.
44:13I will say Jalen Waddell, you got away with it here, man.
44:16He did score a touchdown and it was a really nice play.
44:20They motioned him out to the Z receiver. He runs an out route.
44:24He's open. He catches it and he makes the defender miss and walks into the end zone.
44:29Thank God too because I was ready to lose my mind with the Waddell stuff because his one target actually down the
44:35field, he drops, which I don't know Jalen Waddell to have like drop issues, but he has had a couple of rough ones to start this year.
44:43That was just a catch he absolutely should make.
44:46But then he catches everything else that goes his way, but it's again a lot of the short stuff.
44:51And I guarantee you we're going to go back and watch the tape and be like, yeah, there's a lot of explosive
44:58plays left on the field for Jalen Waddell. But here we are.
45:01At least he gets into the end zone with the touchdown.
45:04He does lead the team in route participation with 82% as well.
45:08Yeah, the Waddell stuff, it just is what it is now.
45:11Like we need to kind of recalibrate all of our hype pieces and hype podcasts about him this summer where I thought
45:18what they traded for him, all the routes and the styling that they do and off of play action and all that
45:24type of stuff would kind of make him at least a consensus wide receiver too on a weekly basis.
45:30But Matt, it's that roller coaster that we're talking about.
45:33Some weeks he'll go for 100 and a touchdown, and then some weeks he'll go for like two catches for 27 yards.
45:39I mean, I think he's still a wide receiver too.
45:42Like he's ultimately, I think you said this well last week, where he's going to, you're not going to have taken a
45:48loss that you took him in the fourth round, but the idea that he could maybe be like a big win player
45:55at that cost, I don't think that's happening just because I don't think the offense is really functioning at that level.
46:01I was hoping that Waddell coming in here would also kind of coincide with a leap for Bo Nix.
46:07And, you know, through four weeks, he's definitely, I mean, I don't know how you could not say he's one of the
46:13most frustrating quarterbacks to watch in the NFL right now.
46:16All right, let's stick in that AFC West, because this was a barn burner.
46:20And the Chiefs come out on top 30 to 27 over the Las Vegas Raiders.
46:24I had this whole write-up about how, you know, the Chiefs have played in these big close moments, and the Raiders haven't.
46:31Like the Raiders were up 19-17, 335 to go.
46:34The Chiefs were facing a third and five. Patrick Mahomes connects with Tyquan Thornton on a 55-yarder versus zero coverage.
46:39Then Ken Walker scores in the next play. Ensuing kickoff, Raiders fumble.
46:43Very next snap, Ken Walker scores another 21-yard run.
46:46So then they lead at 30 to 19. But again, I think it shows that this Raiders team is slightly different in
46:52that they showed fight to get back in it and enough fight to even almost get into field goal range and possibly
46:58even win this game in the end. Like, I understand this Raiders defense might not have a ton of talent on it,
47:05but they were pressuring and moving Patrick Mahomes relentlessly.
47:08He only finishes with two sacks, but it was not an easy day for him.
47:1215 of 30 for 225 yards and two touchdowns.
47:15And then other than, you know, a freaking 76-yard run from Kenneth Walker III, the first three quarters, they did a fantastic
47:21job kind of bottling him up as well. But what the Chiefs have found are some explosive plays.
47:26A 76-yard run, like I said to Kay Walker.
47:29A 55-yarder to Tyquan Thornton. A 42-yarder on an out and up to Tyquan Thornton, which unfortunately, on the first one of
47:35those, he breaks or dislocates his ankle on a hip drop tackle and he was easily their wide receiver one.
47:41And then a 41-yard shot to Xavier Worthy in isolated one-on-one coverage before.
47:45So, hey, we always talk about Patrick Mahomes in the downfield pass and in not hitting out previous seasons.
47:51It was the best today than I've seen it in a very long time.
47:55So unfortunate on the Thornton injury because he was balling and he's just been their best downfield receiver for, you know, the last, since Tyreek Hill has left.
48:03Like, I don't think that's an exaggeration. So he's going to be out for the season, I'm assuming here.
48:09And Rashi Rice left pretty early in that game with the hamstring injury as well.
48:13And, you know, he's had a lot of injury, lower half injury.
48:16So I'm assuming that's going to be multiple weeks.
48:19So, Josh, like, are we at the point where the Chiefs are going to be making phone calls for wide receivers?
48:25It can't be Xavier Worthy and what, Cyrus Allen and Jalen Royals.
48:29Like, that's like the current rotation. That is way too small of a room.
48:33You can't do Xavier Worthy and Cyrus Allen as your top targets out there.
48:37It's like Jerry, Judy, Tyreek Hill. Like, what do you think their plan is going to be?
48:42Yeah, totally. I mean, it was a seven yard catch in the open field for Rashi Rice.
48:47His first of the day. No one touches him.
48:50Instantly grabs his hamstring and goes off to the sideline.
48:52And yeah, they said Jalen Royals would come in and replace him.
48:56Jalen Royals drew two targets and zero catches on the day.
48:59So that shows you where you're at with Jalen Royals.
49:02Drop one too. Yeah. And even like the Travis Kelsey two catches for 15 yards in the day wasn't even close to what we saw before.
49:10And so I think teams understand that if you slow him down, then you slow down this passing attack.
49:15But what Hayden, like, who's out there? Is Jerry Judy and his up and down inconsistency?
49:20And like, as being there in the right place at the right time, exactly what this passing offense needs.
49:26Maybe it is, but I'm a bit skeptical of that too, Matt.
49:29Honestly, Jerry Judy is a really difficult player to talk about because he's gone from really overrated to basically everybody hates him now.
49:36I think there's still a useful player in there and he's always been a better man coverage receiver than his own coverage
49:42receiver, which is kind of what the Chiefs need, right?
49:45They need a little bit of a man beater.
49:48And if you can have Jerry Judy do what the 2024 Denver Broncos did, or excuse me, he did a lot of
49:54sandwich against the Broncos in that season. The Browns did.
49:57I know it was the Jameis Winston scam, but it's also just, hey, we're going to have you run in breaking routes,
50:04digs and posts and overs on play action. Just plant your, no dancing.
50:07Just plant your foot in the ground and rip it inside.
50:11Like Judy can do that. And for a team that is hunting explosive plays off play action, I could talk myself into
50:17it, you know, being useful for Kansas City from a fan from maybe fantasy standpoint.
50:22I don't know, but useful for Kansas City for sure for if they trade for Jerry Judy.
50:27Matt, dare I say that they maybe should get Cyrus Allen a bit more involved?
50:31Like he has been truly down the pecking order.
50:34And I'm not saying this preseason was, you know, worthy of being a top two wide receiver on a team after being
50:40late round pick and all that type of stuff.
50:43But man to man coverage, that is him. And he still wasn't very involved here.
50:47So maybe a week of practice and we can get that a little bit more.
50:51I mean, how many beers have we had boys?
50:54That's the thing, you know, for Cyrus Allen. I mean, he lost a chunk of time in the offseason too.
51:00So they did. They've talked about that where he fell behind a little bit because of that.
51:05Let's talk about the Raiders here. In the first three series, there were 22 offensive snaps and Ashton Gentry had nine snaps and Mike Washington had nine snaps.
51:13It really felt like Mike Washington was the, you know, ball carrier.
51:17And then Ashton Gentry was the receiving back. And so that's basically what we got outside of a two minute drill in the first half.
51:24Then as soon as we get out of halftime, Ashton Gentry has a seven, six and 28 yard run.
51:30He's easily their best back and finishes with all this receiving production and rushing production on the day.
51:35Unfortunately, he again hobbled up, hobbled off with an ankle injury.
51:38Trainers walked him to the sidelines. So this is four games in a row, like truly four games in a row where
51:44he's had some type of an ankle ailment. And hey, what we keep talking about is this is holding him back.
51:51And I think that Clint Kubiak is going into these games with the idea of, OK, I have to split it up
51:57because I have to maybe save some of the juice that he has.
52:01But again, that is still leading us to him being in and out in some critical situations.
52:06Yeah, first 15 plays, it's Ashton Gentry seven snaps, Mike Washington six.
52:09So, you know, that's that's a storyline. I know it didn't finish that way, like you're saying, but that's, you know, that
52:16this might be a little bit more hot handy.
52:18And you would hope that, you know, your top 10 pick gets the hot hand a whole lot more than your fourth rounder.
52:25But I do think it's injury related for like the vast majority of it.
52:29I do think a lot of it is injury related here.
52:33OK. Right. And then Brock Bowers finishes with the touchdown to make it the 27 points was kind of kept quiet for a long period.
52:40We did get some cool Brock Bowers, Mansoor Delaney reps.
52:43Harmon, I know you're going to watch those this week, too.
52:46And then Michael Mayer is the second leading receiver with eight for 82.
52:50And then shout out Cody White. I mean, Cody White, role player across the league, just continues to stack reps, had a
52:56win versus Mansoor Delaney that nearly set this team up for another big score.
53:00So, yeah, the Raiders are like way more frisky than I was giving them credit.
53:05And once again, Kirk Cousins, he finishes with an interception on the last play of the game, but he throws for 365
53:11yards, 52 dropbacks and zero sacks taken. Like Kirk is just spinning the pill.
53:15Man, love to see it. Kirk is going out in style here.
53:19And it's going to be a long time, I think, until they even consider benching him because, yeah, had to love Clint Kubiak at the halftime interview, Josh.
53:27Yes. Like, we're going to win this football game.
53:30They didn't win this football game. I get it.
53:32But yeah, definitely nice to see that for the Raiders.
53:35Like they're a real football team. They're definitely a real football team.
53:39I wish for Ashton Gentry's sake that their buy came earlier than it does, but they don't have a buy until week
53:4513 because, yeah, I think he's a guy that looks like he needs a week off.
53:50Yep. I totally agree with all of that. I mean, the Raiders are just a more complete team than I was expecting four games into the season.
53:58All right. The LA Rams two and two Philadelphia Eagles two and two as Los Angeles wins 24 to 20 in this game, Hayden.
54:05I mean, I think the big storyline is Pukunuku returning for nine catches, 125 yards on 12 targets.
54:10How do you look? I thought he looked mostly the same.
54:13There wasn't like crazy big explosives where you were able to like see him like just, you know, open up to see how exactly fast he was.
54:21There were some contested catch moments. He had one against Rick Wallen that he was able to bring down like consistently involved
54:28in the offense was playing for most of the snaps on top of that.
54:32The one thing that has me just a little bit spooked is Aaron Andrews on the sideline right as the game was getting going.
54:39He called the injury a pre hernia injury and then all the Twitter doctors jumped all over that and they said pre
54:45hernia injury means partial hernia injury and that's basically a ticking time bomb if this happens or not.
54:51It probably reminds me of like the Matthew Stafford injury from last year where, you know, if it gets managed the upside
54:57so awesome and you can be the guy that you needed in fantasy this year and then also in a different simulation
55:03he's hurt next week has hernia surgery and he's out for more than a month.
55:08So the production how we looked on the film he had awesome moments in and tough matchup all that excellent to me
55:14like the, you know, officially getting pre hernia stuff from the team there makes me a little bit spooked.
55:2013 targets for Kyron Williams Hayden were these like I mean, it looks like from an area standpoint, these were still I
55:26talked about this on the show last week where these are like real downfield targets for Kyron Williams.
55:32Is that more of the same this week? Yeah, so Philadelphia's defense it's similar to Houston right now.
55:37They're just over the middle. They're just not the same unit.
55:40Zach Bond injured Jalen Carter just not himself. Jonathan Grenard walks off injured in this one.
55:45They just got him on the field two weeks ago.
55:48Cooper Dejean he is limping around for a minute as well.
55:51So a lot of the star players on the Eagles defense were not available and particularly over the middle.
55:57Kyron Williams was just given G. odd Campbell like just the business the entire game.
56:01G. odd Campbell first round linebacker. It has not been pretty and on tape.
56:05He was such a good athlete. He made some incredible plays in college.
56:09The down to down consistency with him has just been up and down and then Kyron Williams to basically win the game
56:15there run to the left on the outside breaks a couple tackles including to Josiah Trotter their other linebacker Jeremiah Trotter the other linebacker out there.
56:23So you know just some of the complete star level talent is just not like playing that way or available on the
56:29Philadelphia Eagles defense which made like the Rams first half of that game all the more confusing because they were this close
56:36to so many big plays and then the second half of the game that offense was absolutely humming and a lot of
56:42it was just Puka Nakua or Kyron Williams. Yeah, we talked about this on some show last week that the Eagles having
56:49to pay so many of their defensive stars and some other players meant they had to let N'Kobe Dean go who's playing
56:55really well for the Raiders read Blankenship and you know you saw Makuba get picked on as well.
57:00So it's just something that they can't have to roll with again.
57:04I don't want to overlook that this is unbelievable from Kyron Williams like 16 carries for 80 yards and then 10 receptions
57:10for 67 yards like he I'm not sure four-point game we get this role with Blake Coram who only had five carries
57:17on the day and one catch like this is a total eclipse of exactly what we could have hoped for when drafting Kyron.
57:24Career high 10 receptions is 84 snaps so that that thing that you keep talking about Josh where if they're winning he's
57:30most likely scored a touchdown or if they're trailing which they were trailing in the entire second half of this game he
57:36doesn't come off the football field and beyond that it's like you know some slot work but even if it's not like
57:43exact slot work now you'll see like he's the first or second read on a lot of these concepts and it's because
57:49they just have a mismatch and all the trust in the world for Kyron Williams to make a quick move and obviously Matthew Stafford trust him.
57:57Okay let's talk about the Eagles here there's a whole bunch of tweets that I could rattle through one from Bill Barnwell
58:03Eagles were up by 10 points with a third and goal from the two-yard line with eight minutes to go and lost another from Ben Solak.
58:11Eagles went 0 for 12 on third down against the Rams went 0 for 5 in the second half last week against
58:18the Bears their last third down conversion was over 90 minutes of game clocks ago then another one from Jake and I
58:24won't read this full thing because it has explicits in it Jalen Hurts had to make a total of one play in
58:30the second half to win this game and couldn't do it the Rams were that bad I know the injuries are stacking
58:37but are we effing serious is all that fair Solak stole all my notes there about the third down stuff it was
58:43brutal and they had a couple key just like unfortunate fourth down plays it was like fourth and one and a half
58:50and it was a failed tush push now that their own 37 yard line up 10 I like the decision the problem
58:56is when you have a new center and now Cam Juergens is playing left guard and now you don't have Makai Becton
59:03at right guard obviously it's been a couple seasons but like the absolute peak of the tush push versus this version of
59:09the tush push has mattered there was also plays where I thought Cam Juergens was getting losing one on one reps as
59:16well and then later in the game they're at the two yard line fourth down and the first read goes to Don
59:22TV and Wix that gets turned down because you got absolutely just like no separation on that play and that fourth down
59:28goes incomplete there was just a lot of plays where it's like third and four they absolutely need a play from Zach
59:35Ertz and Zach Ertz can't make a play there was just like too much too much of like you know all the
59:41backups just stunk you know like it kind of comes down to that Jalen Hurts did not make any plays by himself
59:48and to that tweets point there yeah but there was so many like all the backups did absolutely nothing except Darius Cooper
59:54who he must I forget which D maybe like Quentin Lake that probably should have been an interception that goes Darius Cooper's
60:01way for a touchdown and then a scramble drill touchdown for Darius Cooper where he just hits the brakes in the back
60:07of the end zone and scores a touchdown not that much from Makai Lemon a little curl in the perimeter third down
60:14slot win versus Kitchens as well but nothing like too explosive from him Don Tavian Wix defensive pass interference on Trent McDuffie
60:20but nothing too crazy from him and then the like you know the the ground game is still so hit miss third
60:26and two loss they were Tom Brady absolutely lost his mind because on third and two they can't run the ball up
60:33the middle they're doing these horizontal runs and Cam Juergens got beat on that play so yeah Saquon leaves immediately and the
60:39backups weren't able to do anything really yeah Hayden I was going to ask you like one to ten how screwed do
60:46you think this Eagles offense is but then you said the phrase they needed Zach Ertz to make a play and I
60:52kind of feel like that answers the question by the way this team has to go overseas and play Jacksonville in England
60:59next week so just what the doctor ordered interior is not good enough Lane Johnson an hour before the game he is
61:05ruled out for personal reasons they didn't know exactly what that was I was listening to Brandon Graham with on Bo Wolfe's
61:12podcast after the game and Brandon Graham was kind of like hinting that like come on man you got to be out
61:18there so like I don't know what's going on with the Lane Johnson stuff but he is almost like saying like that
61:24he had some insight on what's going on what's going on there but yeah it was the fewest yards in the Siriana
61:31Sirianni era it's just one of those games where like they're injured they should have won this game but like all the
61:37backups had a moment to make a play and they couldn't do it and then Jalen hurts you know like this could
61:44be a product of your surroundings and the surroundings weren't very good and he just really didn't do a whole lot with
61:50it do we need to review the Makai Lemon tape or is there anything that popped out at all or was it
61:57just a no-go from the jump there was like this is a rookie first-round pick yes yeah there has not been the
62:03explosive play he had a third down slot when he had a little curl on the perimeter you know there was more
62:10real route stuff going on here but what was his biggest play it was it was nothing so like you know you're
62:16not like watching a third you're like wow there goes that first rounder you know like he's he's has a role in
62:23the offense he's not doing the most with it he also doesn't look unacceptable either but you know like this would be
62:29a great game for him to go crazy and and he didn't can I address the Saquon Barkley stuff yeah just real
62:35quick since you know people who watch the channel probably drafted Ken Walker the third in the second round but then they
62:42drafted Saquon Barkley in the first first round so I think we can see from who the equals are after four weeks
62:48that it certainly wasn't going to hit the highs that I was hoping for for Saquon Barkley even if he's still healthy
62:55this year but I will also add that I think this is just an egregiously bad run out for Saquon like in
63:01week two he gets sidelined on the first carry because of a stinger he missed the goal line touchdown from there in
63:08week three he rushes for 73 yards in the first half and the defense gets steamrolled so he gets phased out of
63:14the game and then week four after three touches his hamstring explodes so like this just really sucks yeah for a guy
63:21who needed good blocking and then when he got good blocking showed explosives and yet it's like the worst possible injuries to
63:27all of you because in two of the four weeks he's gotten injured after one or three touches and that is even
63:33worse for your fancy lineups than playing them so hey it just sucks overall yeah it's always worse when you know they
63:40get hurt you'd rather get the zero when you have somebody else in your starting lineup when they're leaving games early you
63:46know but that's right that's fantasy yeah and this seems like it might be a multi-week thing here yes Harmon just because
63:53the hamstring and how he looked immediately and all that type of stuff okay let's move on because we got to talk
63:59about the la chargers I mean they put up 23 points that's a moral victory is it not nope they're oh and
64:06four as Seattle improves to three and one with 30 points of their own uh Matt Emmanuel Wilson a big pickup on
64:12waivers an immediate start how do you look because I see 81 yards in the ground in a score and then also
64:19I mean 39 yards in the air and another score dude I thought Emmanuel Wilson looked really good in this game I
64:25think when we go back to watch the tape and like look at the coverage numbers and stuff we're gonna see a
64:31lot of like quarters cloud too high stuff for the charges here because it certainly felt like he got a lot of
64:38light boxes but how often have we watched the Seahawks run game the last two years not be able to take advantage
64:44of these light boxes consistently so he was just ripping through some of these runs broke a lot of tackles 120 yards
64:51from scrimmage for Emmanuel Wilson like I said I thought he 3.5 yards after contact per rush uh he made the most
64:57it wasn't just like oh he got lanes and that was that and he plotted his way to all this production I
65:04thought he legitimately looked really good um the Seahawks offensive line I did think gave him some good rushing room but overall
65:10like he was the man 75% of the touches in the backfield went his way this was not like a you know
65:17George Helani change of pace sort of situation it was Emmanuel Wilson and like it certainly has felt like they needed a
65:23guy of this skill set for this team to just have more of a saint a sustaining tempo type runner in in
65:29the mix you know Jackson Smith and Jagua you get 76 yards here like I said I feel like we're going to
65:36go back and watch this one and see a down game yeah down game oh boo hoo right uh that's what that's
65:42even that's a down game for a real wide receiver one um but yeah I think when we go back to watch
65:49this we're going to see because it felt like this one on the broadcast that they were doing a lot of like
65:55cloud and stuff to take away the explosive plays to JSN but Emmanuel Wilson made the most made the most of that
66:02so Emmanuel Wilson's got this like little sweet spot where Jadarian Price is now out for at least four games I saw
66:08pictures of Zach Charbonnet I know he's practicing but one leg is twice as big as the other leg so like I
66:15think we're still you know a little bit of ways away and that's totally fine that's what he should be uh but
66:21it's him versus Joe Mixon Matt did you see that report that Joe Mixon uh was visiting the Seahawks before the game
66:28if you were advising Joe Mixon are you telling him to look elsewhere yeah look elsewhere buddy they don't they don't need
66:34a Joe Mixon Green Bay yeah check out Green Bay see what they got going on here yeah I thought Emmanuel Wilson
66:40looked good enough in this game to uh to to keep it going here I will say this is a weird game
66:47um shock I mean these are two kind of teams that are used to playing in weird games it started off with
66:53back-to-back interceptions Justin Herbert on the first play of the game through I just I mean if you want to do Justin
67:00Herbert's defense like you you can do it but he is not making your job easy because he threw two of just
67:06the dumbest interceptions you could possibly throw which was somehow dumber than the interception he threw last week against Buffalo which you
67:13absolutely cannot throw that uh he threw one on the first play of the game throws another one later um and then
67:19Sam Darden gave it right back with an interception on the second play of the game so you know just all zeros
67:26out there uh for the interceptions at least to start Matt how did Rashid Shaheed score his rushing score uh is he
67:32running back two on this team he was in the backfield they lined him up there gave him a design play uh
67:38so that was pretty cool to see they also got Tori Horton on a quick slant route at the goal line too
67:45which I love to see I think Tori Horton is a really talented player uh he just hasn't been able to stay
67:51healthy but they certainly need some guys like Shaheed Horton to emerge here but yeah it was a nice little design play
67:58for Rashid Shaheed in the backfield that was uh that was good to see so probably not going to happen consistently as
68:04a receiver but if you had to start him for whatever reason you got away with one there okay let's talk Chargers
68:11backfield and Chargers offense okay Amar and Hampton nine carries 45 yards and a touchdown Keaton Mitchell 10 carries 39 yards Kamani
68:17Vidal five carries 25 yards Jim Harbaugh uh was asked after the game if this is how he envisions his backfield and
68:24he said uh we think it's best for our team was it best for their team yeah Keaton Mitchell like the stats
68:30are not going to blow you away uh or anything but he did give them a spark in the second half and
68:36it's as uh Michael Florio said there it's a nightmare for fantasy for sure because there's no reason for Keaton Mitchell for
68:43them to go away from him um again I said this during the game when it looked like it was going to
68:49be um a disaster game for the Chargers they actually did end up making it competitive which you know kind of want
68:56to come back to that at some point but like Kamani Vidal being the guy who punches in I think the first
69:02touchdown of the day here for the Chargers was was that's got to be pretty gross um and that was the one
69:09receiving touchdown here but yeah like all of these guys have a role Amarian Hampton does end up sneaking into the end
69:15zone uh on a goal line carry or red zone carry late in the game um so he does he's not a
69:22total zero but this is something Boone and I talked about on the forecast this week where you know I know it's
69:28like it's obviously just all downhill for Hampton it can get worse and it can continue to go down like if he
69:34doesn't score that touchdown he's a complete dud in fantasy and that's kind of where you're relying on him at this point
69:41so um I know you're selling low and people were giving Boone a bunch of crap about that it's like yeah you're
69:47selling low because this thing can go lower and I think it is going lower here uh as Harbaugh said it was
69:54good for the team especially um like I mentioned Keaton Mitchell giving them a little spark there but just the fact that
70:00this run game is is what it is is a is a big problem like Justin Herbert was their most useful rusher
70:07today on some scrambles yeah three of 17 snaps for Omar and Hampton on late downs as well that's just going to
70:13Kamani Vidal and then Keaton Mitchell's getting the the design first read target type of stuff from the backfield it looks like
70:20what's the latest on Lad McConkie it was a foot injury it was like limited then DNP then limited in practice didn't
70:26know what to do with in my rankings I didn't feel good about it and then it was the same foot injury
70:33for Lad McConkie so you know Chargers injuries but it seems like there's a couple of them here yeah Chargers injuries Joe
70:39all um left this game as well they had a backup left tackle in there the backup left tackle uh got his
70:45butt kicked by a Chenin Uwosu for the uh strip sack at the end of the game where I mean the Chargers
70:52had this game pretty close like they kicked the field goal while they were driving with two minutes and 17 seconds left
70:58um to get within 23 to 30 um they they were able to get Seattle off the field so they had a
71:05chance at a final drive but again it's like all too familiar for Justin Herbert where again he is 1000% part of
71:11the problem and making just some really really stupid mistakes but they can't block anybody Joe gets hurt in this game that
71:18was a huge problem um the left tackle gets his butt kicked like I said a strip sack there and Lad McConkie
71:2423 snaps no production it's just like we've had one half of football with a healthy Lad McConkie for this season and
71:31without him they're they're bang he's wide receiver sake one yes they're yes they're like everything about the process with taking Lad
71:37McConkie at that point even if this Chargers offense has not been good like that's part of the problem is that they
71:43don't have Lad McConkie and the drop-off after him is just is so so extreme like Trey Harris had three catches for
71:5060 yards and continues to be a guy that I would like to see more of he actually did run the most
71:56routes on the team 37 routes um Quentin Johnson was 32 and he had one catch for 44 yards which was actually
72:03pretty pretty cool uh catch there for Quentin Johnson but ultimately this team just does not have nearly enough without Lad McConkie
72:09looking at Twitter Rayshawn Slater also in a walking boot and crutches with an ankle injury like crutches too like I mean
72:16you know beyond Justin Herbert all their best players are are injured yeah here we are and I mean yeah Joe Joe
72:22Alt left for a period of time obviously um yeah I mean Matt I would be in on Trey Harris I would
72:29talk about him in the waivers and maybe I should just like at some point put the injuries or excuse me the
72:35schedule to the side and not worry about that when we're talking about a potential top two wide receiver here but again
72:41I just look at it and it's the Broncos the Chiefs the Rams the Texans and the Ravens over the next five
72:48games and like should I even advise people on Trey Harris like I wanted to play more yeah but then that might
72:54lead them to actually playing him in their lineups yeah I mean that's like in their hands you know go with God
73:01on that one if you're gonna put him in your lineups but it's he's at least like I said a talented player
73:07that's that's that's looking pretty good and should I don't know if he's gonna help this team I think this team is
73:14screwed um like they're also the thing about the Chargers that's so annoying one of the many things is in addition to
73:20the fact that they have all of these problems they make some of the dumbest mistakes at the worst possible time to
73:27like I can't remember who the defender was um but like late hit with Sam Darnold going like clearly giving himself up
73:33and drawing a personal foul and you know keeping the drive alive with under like two three minutes left to go in
73:40the game when you're trying to get this ball back for your team is this crazy and this is supposed to be
73:46a Jim Harbaugh team like they're they're dumb on offense they're dumb all over the field and they can't do anything right
73:52on offense this is just so not what we bargained for with this team and just quickly with Jesse Minner gone from
73:59this defense they've allowed 26 26 24 and 30 points over the first four games now obviously some of it the offense
74:05is putting them at a disadvantage because they can't sustain drives and they're turning the football over and all this type of
74:12stuff but that's a big shift for the Chargers I felt were yeah defensively last season well it's like I said I
74:18think today when we go back and watch the tape and look at the coverage numbers they clearly sold out to stop
74:25the vertical pass game with Sam Darnold and JSN was great well then Emmanuel Wilson runs it down your throat all game
74:31so it's just one of those things where cool you can sell out to stop one thing which you didn't even I
74:38mean still JSN had a perfectly fine game so yeah it's just they're they're not good on either side of the ball
74:44they're they're one of the worst teams in the league okay let's hope the Chicago Bears because they're three and one and
74:50two and oh with backup quarterbacks and different backup quarterbacks over the last two weeks as they beat the New York Jets
74:5723 to 12 the Bears earned 34 first downs in this game the Jets had 32 overall place oh the time of
75:03possession was 42 minutes to 17 minutes outside of one 58-yard touchdown catch by Isaiah Williams the Jets truly got overwhelmed from
75:10start to finish like the Jets even got their first interception in 643 days and it did not matter so let's spend
75:16the entire conversation on the Chicago Bears instead common on guy handled 30 carries common on 30 carries because DeAndre Swift fumbled
75:23in the third quarter and basically a one score game and didn't touch the ball again after that in fact Roshan Johnson
75:29was getting carries inside the five and ten so yeah Ben Johnson definitely punishes you if you fumble and when I was
75:36awesome 146 yards on the ground two touchdowns meanwhile DeAndre Swift was stuffed twice at the goal line in fact both were
75:42called touchdowns on the field and then both were reversed in the booth afterwards meanwhile again Monunga scored twice and then I
75:48want to bring up Tyson Bajan okay very solid number one thing with him I think he has some ability to his
75:55game lofted touch on his throws and he was really following through with all the play calls that Ben Johnson was putting
76:01out there that led us to you know Roma Dunze for six for 94 in in break for 37 yards and set
76:08up a field goal before halftime other outbreakers to Luther burden five touches for 74 yards and then even Colson Loveland Colson
76:14Loveland six catches for 57 including a few in the red zone that just didn't convert into scores and maybe most importantly
76:21Khalif Raymond just two catches for six yards so I think the passing game could have pressed even more if they were
76:27pressed but they weren't they just played ball you know control long drives and that's all they needed to do yeah this
76:34is like what we what we thought we were getting with the Bears passing distribution at least right like a dunes is
76:40on the field for every single snap nice to see him have 94 yards after social media told me his career was
76:46over last week so that's good to see 94 yards for him leads the team nine targets for Colson Loveland Luther burden
76:53made some plays too so Josh like I'll be back to base expectations with this Bears passing game or still too early
76:59to say no I think we are like Tyson Bajan had an interception he I think had another one called back to
77:06but he was quite solid I kind of agree with Bears brass in that he's one of the 32 best quarterbacks in
77:12the NFL potentially like maybe around backup quarterbacks maybe like just behind Marcus Mariota if we're ranking them on the fly but
77:19it's like the Packers defense and the Falcons defense of these next two so these are total games that if like Ben
77:25Johnson again had to push and throw the ball more to me they could have just been extremely effective doing that all
77:32day but instead they just were able to gash this Jets defensive line over and over and over again how is the
77:38Colson Loveland usage specifically he's been the one that I'm you know struggling there's so many tight ends kind of right right
77:45around him that how encouraging was the nine targets if I had to read it just with my eyeballs live a lot
77:51of it was zero to five yards and there weren't these huge crossing routes nine 12 yards down the field that would
77:57you know transform him from being you know the gimmies in the passing game to explosives in the passing game again he
78:04did have two or three targets in the red zone one of those went down to the five yard line or even
78:10tighter than that but it didn't it wasn't anything that wowed me unfortunately but at least he was involved like maybe I'm
78:17not gonna say this the baseline every single week but he at least was more involved than he has been in in
78:23the past unfortunately on the opposite with the Jets we all played and picked up Keenan Sadiq he had four targets and
78:30zero receptions he did have an early screen called towards him it was tipped at the line of scrimmage and he couldn't
78:36haul it in this is just goose eggs across the board but it really is because this offense like literally could not
78:43get anything going Gino was eight of 15 for 119 yards with 58 of that coming on one play and Braylon Allen
78:49was the only player in the backfield to get a touch but that only equaled 16 touches for 67 yards I think
78:55Devin Bush got out there and said that this was the easiest game I've ever played in I'm not sore at all
79:02and that kind of settles it oh my god Devin Bush too like that's amazing yeah yeah uh yeah I'm seeing 12
79:08routes for Keenan Sadiq um you're not guess what you're not getting a tight end one performance off the waiver wire if
79:15the guy runs 12 routes he was also like banged up late in the week in practice too I don't know if
79:21that had anything to do with it but um yeah no I mean they literally only ran 32 plays Matt yeah that's
79:28why yeah what are you doing Josh I'm looking at what are you gonna do I'm looking at stat head that was
79:34the fourth fewest amount of plays in a game ever in their database the 1999 brands did it Raiders last year at
79:4130 plays the Saints did in 1980 and then it would be them and we got games going back to the 1960s
79:47on on stat head so fourth fewest that we're watching Devin Bush was not lying to us that was the truth no
79:53no um I'll say this you know people shit on the Bears defense because Bryce Young torched them in the first game
80:00ever since then they've given up nine seven and 12 points uh Dennis Allen has this defense cooking yeah and they need
80:06some pieces and their entire secondaries hurt but they play with their hair on fire and they're doing a very very very
80:13good job here um yeah I mean that for Bears fans that just get ready you're get totally getting some weird mid-season
80:19trade from Ryan Poles to get you like a secondary you know maybe giving up too much hopefully it goes better I
80:26also wanted to shout out Ben Johnson definitely is is he's got a few burner accounts did you guys see that he
80:32only trotted Case Keenum out for the first game because it had leaked the first play of the game because Tyson Bajan
80:39it late leaked that he was going to be the starter um some people would theorize like oh he was keeping it
80:45coy because he has so much respect for Aaron Glenn and apparently no it was just he was being he was being
80:51petty which I think I like I think I like both quarterbacks were in for the first snap uh but Case Keenum
80:58took the under center snap so I guess that just you know allows him to say well you guys are wrong uh
81:04I actually started case what is his deal seek help he's crazy he's crazy he's crazy he's crazy he has Aaron Glenn's
81:11number uh like former co-workers uh and one guy is thriving and the other guy is is quite not Gino Smith left
81:17with a hand injury he played through it but it is his right hand so that's something to keep in mind because
81:24I actually think Gino's Smith has played pretty good football so far this season all right we have four games to go
81:30but we didn't get complete eyeballs in all of them so let's quickly go through the Sunday morning game that everyone was
81:37watching over in Tottenham Hotspur Stadium uh more scoring in that stadium than ever in the Roberto Deserby era uh Colts 30
81:43commanders 13 I mean Hayden am I fair to say like the Colts don't move me here with 30 points especially going
81:50up against a seventh round rookie quarterback um and then also down Terry McLaurin and company so it's Jonathan Taylor with two
81:56touchdowns and Daniel Jones with run one rushing score and that's all we get yeah I mean the receiving numbers are very
82:02lackluster for for the Colts here I the people listening to the show watch this game more than me because I was
82:09you know we were we were alive so I didn't get any eyes on this one but you know the to me
82:15like the Josh Downs was the storyline on the Colts side of things because you know once we got Keenan Allen ruled
82:22out it was it was a competition of who can rank Josh Downs the highest uh in the industry and and that's
82:28always a what can go wrong situation uh so I don't know exactly what happened there but the 16 scoreless is a
82:35certainly a rug pull yeah I saw a decent bit of this game because uh watched it before we started on the
82:41start to sit show and then you guys obviously wrapped up the last hour and a half of it I will say
82:48like to your point Josh I mean this does not move me at all from an Indianapolis standpoint I think you could
82:54make an argument that context adjusted they were not they were the worst team uh between the two like the commanders Marcus
83:00Mariota leaves the game and um eighth eighth in Kaliak Manis starts the rest of the way for this team which I
83:07had to text Nate Tice I was like who TF is this guy uh because I had not I was not familiar
83:13with his work uh seventh round rookie to his credit though he was bombing this thing over the head of sauce Gardner
83:20pretty consistently speaking of bad mid-season trade that that quietly might be one of the worst NFL trades in recent history I
83:26know I know there's obviously some big quarterback ones that we can point at but that has been a disaster for Indianapolis
83:33especially because like Chris Ballard made it when he was really feeling himself it is a disaster but Traylon Burks got him
83:39for one Deami Brown got him once so credit to Kaliak Manis he was ripping that thing downfield so the defense wasn't
83:46good and then offensively Daniel Jones was just like a mess at the start of this game like there were a couple
83:52of screens set up for Josh Downs that like the offensive line maybe blew the play up but Daniel Jones also fumbled
83:58off one where I don't know what the hell he was thinking like Daniel Jones has not been good to to start
84:05this season and you're looking at like four or five yards per attempt 4.2 excuse me yards per attempt for for Daniel
84:11Jones Jonathan Taylor 4.8 yards per carry so um yeah it was definitely a bummer to see this for Josh Downs but
84:18credit to the commander's defense that when they can blitz you that mean that's what they need they they got to get
84:24home with the blitz because the secondary is rough but I think this was a really discouraging offensive performance for the Colts
84:31passing game 100% and kind of a reset here for the commanders moving forward uh with Jaden Daniels coming back and he
84:37was already named the starter one second after this game was over no kidding five uh one second after after it was
84:44over okay next where should we go I actually watched a fair bit of the Miami Dolphins and the Minnesota Vikings God
84:50bless let's talk through that one okay Vikings 15 Dolphins 10 I love this show talking about Will Reichard uh I mean
84:56all five field goals he nailed them and in fact maybe you could have had a last second one but the the
85:03Vikings just ran out the clock uh we are through four weeks in the NFL season and I can't tell you if
85:09Kyler Murray is comfortable throwing the football in a Kevin O'Connell offense but that might not matter that much because one they're
85:164-0 and two he was able to hit TJ Hawkinson here against an horrible Dolphins secondary for 13 catches and 119 yards
85:22that was all of our Jordan Addison points went to TJ Hawkinson and then yeah Aaron Jones just another game of 24
85:29touches here Matt uh the guy's gonna need an ice bath for uh seven straight days I think yeah for real um
85:35I saw uh Jordan Mason on the sideline talking with him and like yeah get ready Jordan Mason you're gonna get a
85:42lot of work as soon as you uh possibly can yeah 13 targets 13 catches for TJ Hawkinson was he basically just
85:48playing the uh the the part of Trey McBride for for Kyler Murray uh in this game because every time I and
85:55he by the way he could have walked into the end zone for a touchdown and then he just knelt it um
86:01you know as somebody that started Kyler Murray in our in our fantasy league I'm my feelings were hurt by that for
86:07sure but yeah it's TJ Hawkinson going crazy against what might be the worst pass defense I've ever seen four and oh
86:14and we have no clue about the offense like it's it's one of the biggest mysteries I mean like that's like it's
86:20I don't even know how to like recalibrate this uh and what makes it so fascinating is the rest of the division's
86:27offenses are going to be hanging up 30 burgers the entire season so like they're four and oh that they got Brian
86:33Flores but like at some point we got scored more than 15 points against the Dolphins I hear you speaking of the
86:40Dolphins you know the fantasy football group think myself included yeah said Ollie Gordon is splitting the nine and a half fancy
86:46points in half of Devon H and with Jalen Wright um Ollie Gordon had two explosives in this game and that equaled
86:53you know 90 percent of his work he had a 53 yarder which was kind of a run to the left side
86:59between the guard and the tackle and then guess what his what 25 yard touchdown run was almost an identical play so
87:05I mean good for him it's it's you know only 11 touches but he showed I think some explosive ability that the
87:12Dolphins have been lacking all season long and I did want to bring up one explosive that didn't get there it was
87:18a I think like 68 yard touchdown to Chris Bell who truly finishes with three zeros uh that Malik Willis buys 10
87:25seconds of time and dumps it to Chris Bell who breaks tackles and runs through everyone and everything of the sort and
87:31yet he steps out just before he catches the football so it's it's illegal touching and that play is drawn back so
87:38uh it's one of those truly awesome plays that never existed in the box score I gotta say shout out to Ollie
87:44Gordon for shoving it down uh our throats here because I think the process was right like it's not happening for Devon
87:51H and how's it going to happen for Ollie Gordon but fantasy football is weird man the NFL is an unpredictable sport
87:57so I think Ollie Gordon's like a solid back it wasn't anything a shade to Ollie Gordon but um yeah nine carries
88:03for 100 yards and a touchdown Malik Washington still got there with the five for five on the scam though so there
88:10is that yeah we we love a good scam and that is Malik Washington who also had two backfield carries so we
88:16were correct in all of that conversation uh quickly Baltimore Ravens 24 Tennessee Titans 18 biggest news Lamar Jackson exits with an
88:23ankle injury uh is seen in a walking boot afterwards I believe they say it is you know just to be safe
88:29but hopefully that's the case uh Zay Flowers is just the freaking man and this is a red zone touchdown that he
88:36scored to exactly what we had hoped for in terms of a 19 yard touchdown eight for 118 and a score I'm
88:42just gonna kick this right over to Matt Matt this was like your bold prediction like heading into the season was this
88:49crazy Zay Flowers breakout so like what's changed to you uh yeah um I think Declan Doyle just moving him all over
88:55the place like you're seeing this on the route chart here and some of it obviously is like behind the line of
89:02scrimmage all that but all of these in cuts where Lamar is consistently throwing him the football too this is what this
89:08was big a big part of the theory in addition to I think Zay Flowers has leveled up you know he's somebody
89:14that every year has gotten a little bit better particularly like his ability to win in one-on-one isolated situations but this offense
89:21wants to live over the middle of the field Zay Flowers is unbelievably fast separating over the middle of the field and
89:27making plays with the ball in his hands and Lamar his best stuff has come throwing on these routes over the middle
89:34like he's remember at the start of his career it's like can he throw outside the numbers like well who cares when
89:40you could just throw to Zay Flowers over and over again so leveled up player perfect situation for him can we just
89:47get these two guys like on the field together for an entire game because that has not happened yet uh really uh
89:53in terms of Zay Flowers Lamar full-time yeah he's he's like an easy top 10 you know easy conservative top 10 receiver
90:00rest of season and hey I want to watch this game because statistically it looks like the best connection that Cam Ward
90:06and Colonel Tate have had I mean 222 yards here for Cam Ward and then Carnell Tate nine for 145 on 12
90:12targets so excited to watch that one yep totally agree okay I'm still rifling through here to find games that we did
90:19not cover are there any more Giants Cardinals there any oh my gosh how how could I forget how could you Jameis
90:25Winston revitalized the Jameis Ants after just one week uh 18 of 29 250 three scores two INTs four sacks Matt we
90:32talked about it for the entire week that Jameis has no arm anymore he's not throwing it down the field and then
90:38here week four happens and he's doing all those things again he's doing all those things again so you know we did
90:45discuss this on stats versus film too about how much of it was the weather how much of it was uh Jameis
90:51and his dead arm uh and being a content creator all summer you know hey this was definitely a step in the
90:58right direction I'm not totally sure that the Cardinals defense is the best test in the entire world but um yeah this
91:04was the full Jameis experience and Jacoby Brissett doing the other thing on doing the same thing on the other side I
91:10mean we got what five touchdowns and five picks combined between these two guys um the last one was brutal for Brissett
91:17and the the Cardinals as well um a 98 yard interception return for a touchdown when Michael Wilson loses the press man
91:23slant rep and Brissett still just throws it right to Deontay Banks anyways so um yeah this was two kind of like
91:30two Jameis's Spider-Man memeing uh between Brissett and Winston here I was looking at Malik neighbors highlights uh real quick his big
91:36plays down the field those those were absolute lollipops from Jameis Winston I would not say like the arm concern things are
91:43like you know completely back those are balloons uh going to Malik neighbors uh who apparently like kind of like fell on
91:49his shoulder again was you know looking at it for a second stuff that's that's just going to be kind of frustrating
91:56but you know we're talking about like one of the best athletes in the world like if someone's going to get better
92:02and play through injuries as the season progresses it's probably somebody like him well and the fact that the Giants keep winning
92:08is good news too because I I'm still worried that at some point he's going to land on that shoulder and decide
92:15like you know what it's it's enough already for me this season but the fact that they're three and one right that
92:21helps him stay out there yep that is an excellent point three and one for this Giants team is kind of outstanding
92:28now their last two wins have been the Titans and the Cardinals but they do get the commanders next I'll beat the
92:34commander's defense is blitzing from Durante Jones almost at Brian Flores like levels so I I think that's pretty notable here um
92:41and on top of that uh I guess hey I want to send it to you like I did a review of
92:47the 14 players that I'm betting my fantasy season on I put Malik neighbors as an ex can I immediately change that
92:54to a check mark after this week for uh can I just go with another emoji I'm kind of in between Malik
93:00neighbors I feel like the the fourth round Malik neighbors that we were getting like we're in pretty good shape there um
93:07but you know there's been some awesome wide receivers you know like Zay Flowers was in that range so you know but
93:13at the same time like you're drafting next to you know Travis Achan and when whatnot so I think he's holding the
93:19line and uh you're you're drafting him not for October and September you're drafting for December and you know we might be
93:26able to get there okay let's talk Cardinals I know we have to review this game and we'll talk about a lot
93:32in stats versus film but like you said Jacoby three INTs two touchdowns I think maybe the bigger conversation is Jeremiah Love
93:39so he handled 26 touches last week here he gets 14 for 63 and then just one reception that went for negative
93:45eight yards meanwhile Tyler Algier eight carries 42 yards and a touchdown they were asking Jeremiah Love about like the differences in
93:52the snap counts game on game and he's had some interesting answers to the point that he was saying this is going
93:58to be the most difficult season of my life I kind of need to prep myself and like space out these touches
94:05as the season goes along so uh Hayden maybe it's not as much wheels up bell cow as we thought yeah that's
94:11you know that that is definitely a little bit concerning um I I still haven't loved what I've seen from Tyler Algier
94:17uh I obviously haven't watched this game so if this is kind of the floor though where we're getting you know 15
94:24touches and you know the offense isn't completely bottomed out and that was like the you know like this team heading into
94:30the season was projected for 17 points a game like they're nowhere near that right now they scored 26 7 against the
94:37Seahawks and then it's 30 and 24 points so you know versus expectations of as a like as a team I feel
94:43like they're they're clearing that so um even if he's not like a true true bell cow I think that he can
94:50pay off round three any thoughts Matt yeah I that quote where he said it's going to be the longest year of
94:56my life definitely stood out to me um you know because yeah what week four yeah it's not it sounded very similar
95:03to something uh McCaffrey said last year where he said it was like they're going to be the hardest year of his
95:09life because he was taking a bunch of work um so yeah it just makes me think like why are we banging
95:15Jeremiah Love into the wall for a team that's you know going nowhere when he they hope he has a long productive
95:22future so definitely don't love that for fantasy managers I do love 30 targets for Michael Wilson the last two week combined
95:2892 yards per game 52 percent of the air yards uh it's disgusting stuff with Trey McBride I mean it is pretty
95:35shameful what Brissette is doing he just just gets rid of that ball as fast as he possibly can um Marv got
95:41a touchdown early in this game so good good for him that was that was good to see you know he threw
95:48up the little quiet uh his one catch that was one catch today yes correct yeah this is also a shadow how
95:54many catches are going to happen yeah it was foreshadowing the one catch he may or may not be on the trade
96:01block uh we'll see but yeah Michael Wilson is the man uh 30 targets in the two games combined it was awesome
96:07okay gentlemen we've done it we'll cover those more in depth that we missed especially Malik Navarro so I know that's a
96:13fascinating conversation for all of you this has been an amazing week four that leads us into week five coming up thank
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