0:00Welcome to The Athletic Football Show brought to you by the U.S.
0:03Bank Smartly Visa Signature Card. I'm Robert Mays, an eventful week five in the NFL.
0:08Let things off with just a quick chat about the Sunday night game.
0:11We'll dig into that in earnest on the hangover tomorrow.
0:14But then me, Dave and Derek went long on the Seahawks Niners game, a phenomenal game between two very good teams.
0:20Chatted a couple NFC North teams in attention, Lions, Vikings, Vikings are 5-0, Drake Maye with a monster day.
0:25Chatted about the ending of the Washington State. Washington Giants game, which is still one of the most bizarre sequences I can remember in an NFL game.
0:33Plenty of WTF moments in week five. Bears, Jags, Eagles, everything about Broncos, Chargers, and then got a little bit romantic about
0:39Jalen Warren and the season he has had so far.
0:41All of that with me, Dave and Derek. Let's get to it right now.
0:45A lot to dig into from the week five slate.
0:48We're going to go through all of the important stuff that happened today, but let's start just with the ending of that Sunday night game.
0:55Obviously, you guys just watched that when in overtime.
0:58Your comment about the overtime drive, one hell of a drive, two straight, one hell of a drives from the Ravens to get that thing over the top.
1:05That was such an impressive drive. I mean, just the stats, 14 plays, seven minutes off the clock in overtime, sure.
1:11Had us wondering what happens if you just take all 10 minutes of overtime on your first possession.
1:16That was a soul snatching touchdown. Take the ball home.
1:19Yeah. Just walk out the tunnel on your way through.
1:22But I mean, it's new. Puntley picked up a few big third downs there.
1:26The one does a flowers I thought was particularly impressive.
1:28And then by the time you get down close to the end zone, Derek Henry had like probably two runs where they
1:35were just moving the pile and you could just feel them leaning on the Falcons and you could feel how exhausted Atlanta's defense felt in that moment.
1:42And it just it was very impressive. And, you know, we always say this, like we're working on the rest of the show while Sunday night's going on.
1:50And it felt like every time I checked in on this game.
1:53It just felt like Atlanta was in control. And for Baltimore to rally and take this thing on the road with a
1:59backup quarterback is a really, really impressive win. Based on how the Falcons have been playing the last couple of weeks, if
2:05you're Baltimore, this is the exact type of game that would be easy to lose.
2:10Backup quarterback, the center you just traded for isn't ready yet.
2:13So your offensive line is still in sort of a makeshift place.
2:16And so for them to steal this one and come out at four and one, hopefully with Lamar being back sooner rather than later.
2:23Again, this is absolutely one that in a lot of situations you can drop.
2:27And that did not happen. They were up eight.
2:29Atlanta was up eight with six and a half minutes to play.
2:32And that's what I'm talking about. I looked up and I was like, OK, like this is a game.
2:38But I feel good about Atlanta holding on to this.
2:40And then Baltimore had other plans. And they also finished it in like that's the entire ethos of their team is to
2:47be able to run out the clock that the way that they did.
2:50And also like with the overtime rules now, where even if you score a touchdown, the other team gets it back.
2:56There is a lot of value of draining what at least six, six and a half minutes off of the clock if you can.
3:03And they drained like a little bit over seven, I believe.
3:06And so that is like in the modern NFL, the perfect overtime drive short of what Dave said of like literally running
3:12out the clock and getting all 10 minutes, which is pretty hard to do even if the Bucs did, you know, did it on Thursday night.
3:19We're going to dig into this game in earnest tomorrow on the hangover.
3:23We'll be hitting Ravens Falcons from Sunday night. We'll be chatting about Bengals Dolphins.
3:27And we'll also be talking about Texans Titans, including a full breakdown of the Marvin Harrison Jr.
3:31trade. We have some thoughts, but didn't want to shoehorn that into the Sunday night recap.
3:36We want to sit with that a little bit.
3:38So those are the three games that we will be hitting tomorrow.
3:42Like we typically do Sunday night game is usually how we kick off the hangover plus a couple more games.
3:47So that is what is on tap on the Monday into Tuesday show.
3:51Let's kick things off with this recap, talking about the 49ers knocking off the Seattle Seahawks 32 to 29.
3:56The Niners are now five and oh, Seattle falls to three and two on the season.
4:01What do you want to start this conversation? What is your lasting image of this game?
4:05The fact that it was bizarre as shit. The fact that here's here's what I'll say.
4:10And I'm curious if you think I'm being a hater.
4:12An entertaining game. And at times a really well played game like I like Brock Purdy made an impression on me in this game.
4:19Jackson Smith and Jigba is obviously incredible. Like there were there were pockets of really high level football played here.
4:25But for arguably the two best teams in the NFL to play a game decided in the final two minutes by three points.
4:31Not a particularly good game. Like when you combine for seven turnovers.
4:34I'm left wanting when you're talking about like really deciding who the best team was.
4:38I don't mind it that much because I do think it was a lot of.
4:43I was gonna say it was a lot of very good defensive plays.
4:46It was a combination. I think there were some tough offensive moments.
4:50I mean a couple of the Darnold picks are as much bad choices as they are great defense.
4:55But I think I still come away believing in the overall quality of this.
4:58It kind of reminds me a little bit. It's not exactly the same.
5:02But when we think back on the Rams Chiefs Monday night game from 2018.
5:06And the amount of points scored in that game.
5:08There were multiple defensive touchdowns in that game. And so you can have a little bit of sloppiness and still be a very good team overall.
5:16I think that's the case of both of these.
5:18As iconic as that game was though. When I think about that Rams Chiefs game.
5:22I'm just like what a bunch of goofy bullshit happened in that game.
5:26And like I have no doubt in my mind that these are both really good teams.
5:30And I said it right when the game ended.
5:33The Niners not only are they 5-0. They went to Lumen and beat the Seahawks.
5:37And they I don't care what the Rams travel arrangements were.
5:40They beat the shit out of the Rams to start the year.
5:44That's two as good resume building wins as you could ask for in the NFL.
5:48No doubt. And so I think I think some of it was really weird.
5:52And I wish it had just been a tighter game.
5:54I wish it had been. I wish there hadn't been so many moments where I was like well that was really stupid.
6:00But still a highly entertaining game and a very impressive win for the 49ers.
6:04Just to put a point on how weird the game was.
6:07I looked this up immediately after it ended. We had 28 combined first downs between the Niners and the Seahawks in this game.
6:14And 61 combined points. Those two things in tandem have happened three times in an NFL game in the past 27 seasons.
6:20Since 2000 that's happened three times. The last time it happened was during a Bengals-Browns game in 2013 that we had that
6:26few first downs and that many points. And so if you came away from watching that game thinking, man, what a weird game.
6:32You would be correct about that. We do not see that type of game in the NFL very often.
6:38It's about once every 15-ish years. 18-yard touchdown drive for San Francisco.
6:4124-yard touchdown drive for Seattle. 11-yard touchdown drive for San Francisco.
6:44Fumble return touchdown for San Francisco. Zero-yard touchdown drive.
6:47Zero-yard touchdown drive. 23-yard touchdown drive for Seattle after the Debo.
6:50Or excuse me, after the Purdy fumble. Yeah, I mean it was kind of a shit show.
6:54And it's still a great game. But I think that's worth saying.
6:58Derek, what's your answer to that question? Yeah, because it was such a shit show, I think I was actually weirdly impressed
7:04that the Niners were able to win the game that they did.
7:07Me too. Like I think in a lot of ways, like there have been stretches where they've been a team that can
7:13win from behind and win games that are weird and stuff like that.
7:17But for the most part, Shanahan offenses have been like they are best when they can get the ball rolling early.
7:23Defense can pass rush and they can like really snowball on you.
7:26This was a really bizarre game. And they did get help from their defense, obviously.
7:30But there were stretches where like some of the two high pressures that Seattle were calling were really giving Purdy issues.
7:36The two trap call where they get him on the interception.
7:39Like they had some good stuff on the Seattle defense.
7:42But the fact that you get proof of concept with Mike Evans in like every way.
7:46And we already have seen that, right? But you have the goal line drive where he makes just an insane grab on
7:53a slant over one of the DBs. They have another play later in the game where exactly what we talked about coming
7:59into the week, where he's the single receiver on one by three.
8:02The safety poaches away and they throw him. They throw him like a deep back shoulder ball.
8:07You hit one or two dig routes over the middle to Mike Evans.
8:10Like you they wanted a player who could come in in the passing game and say, hey, Kyle Shanahan, you don't have to scheme it up every time.
8:18Purdy, you don't have to go make a play every time outside of the pocket.
8:22We can just find the huge guy to go make a play for us.
8:26And he did that for them. And so the fact that they could win that game that way and the last little
8:32bit of it, they ran the ball better in this game than I thought they would.
8:37Like there were stretches where it really, really worked for them, where I thought this was a Seattle front that there was
8:43a chance that they could just dominate them. And they did.
8:46The 49ers did not let that happen to them.
8:48The last two drives the Niners had, it was the it was the question we started the preview conversation with.
8:54Why will this be different for the Niners offense in this game than it was the last couple of times we saw
9:00these two teams play in week 18 and in the playoffs?
9:03Those last two drives, I think, are where you felt the difference for them to go up 29.
9:0829, 26, and then for them to put the game away.
9:11OK, so they drive or they go up 29, 26.
9:14Derek already pointed out one of the plays, but there was a third and 10 big time completion to Evans where he hits like a big in breaker.
9:22Ernest Jones steps up just a tiny bit, just a little tiny bit because of the shallow that's coming.
9:27Purdy's willing to let that thing rip. It's a conversion.
9:30And then, like Derek just mentioned, second and 21 after an intentional grounding from Purdy.
9:34They throw that back shoulder ball to Mike Evans.
9:37So not only is it the type of play that no receiver on the Niners is making last year deep outside the numbers like we talked about.
9:44It's a second and 21. You're behind the sticks.
9:47The drive should probably be over. I'm going to give this guy a chance and he's going to go make a play for me.
9:53So those two catches, in my opinion, just that drive in general for them to go down and score, that feels different.
9:59And then to put the game away when they were to put the game away, that final drive.
10:04When you have 29 at 29, 29, they have two chunk runs to start the drive.
10:09It's an eight yarder and then a 13 yarder.
10:11You have an 11 yarder to Kalen Black. Their ability to kind of impose their will on the ground in multiple different moments in this game, San Francisco.
10:19That, to me, is what felt the most different.
10:22And some of it, the Niners or the Seahawks didn't play that many light boxes in this game, but they did play mostly neutral boxes.
10:29And so I think a good way to look at this is on blocked box runs.
10:33So plays where you have as many blockers as they have defenders in the box.
10:37What did the performance look like? In the playoffs last year, the Niners had a 17.6% success rate on those runs.
10:43In week 18, it was 25%. In this game, it was 47.8%.
10:46And you felt that. That, to me, other than the Evans stuff, was the biggest difference between this version of the Niners
10:53and the one we saw at the end of last season.
10:56And Derek, those were the crucial differences. Like, those were the things they needed to be able to do against this team.
11:02And so even if it was an uneven performance overall, even if the Seahawks made them earn it almost like for 90%
11:08of this entire game, when it came down to it, those final drives, those were the differences we wanted to see.
11:14And those are the differences that we saw. Yeah.
11:16And it was beautiful because the run game last year was just them slamming Christian McCaffrey into a wall three yards at a time.
11:23Absolutely no chance. They had nothing. And now I think, and, you know, Dave pointed this out when we were doing the
11:29preview, the interior of the offensive line is playing better than it really has at any point.
11:34It was a mixed bag today. They were very good in the run game and Connor Colby got hooked in pass protection.
11:40It's Seattle. Yeah. Pass pro was a different game.
11:42But the fact that you won somewhere. Yes. What you won somewhere when you were supposed to lose everywhere, I do think is some amount of improvement.
11:50Absolutely. And so I think that the fact that the run game could win that way.
11:54And then I even, I do want to give Purdy some credit on, I think it was the first Christian McCaffrey touchdown.
12:00Purdy checks into that because the front that Seattle is in, they have like a two eye just inside the left guard.
12:07And then the next guy on the defensive line is like way out in the D gap, like outside of a receiver who's near the line of scrimmage.
12:14And Purdy's like, well, shoot, let's just run it into the gap.
12:18And they did that and they, they climbed to a well and had some really good combo blocks and they got him into the end zone.
12:25And like the fact that you can kind of, obviously this offense has always had checks in the offense that they can do that.
12:32But the fact that they're winning schematically that way, but then also still having moments where they're just not letting themselves get
12:38pushed around and being able to generate runs late in the game.
12:41Like the fact that again, it doesn't have to just be, can Purdy make six plays for us outside of the pocket?
12:47The fact that they've got the tools that you would want to see from a Shanahan offense does make them very, very scary.
12:54And he did make a couple of those plays.
12:56Right, he did. But it's just not only that now.
12:59That is going to be a necessary part of the equation for them when they're playing at their best.
13:04You want to just be able to roll on schedule and within structure.
13:08And we've seen this offense show they're capable of doing that.
13:11That's what they look like at their best. But against this defense, it's never going to look like that.
13:16And so you need for him to be able to make a couple of those out of structure creation plays.
13:22And that was the touchdown to Cooks. Like he makes that play happen.
13:25I know y'all, y'all broke down a lot of the plays, but that entire touchdown drive to go up 29, 26 was incredible.
13:32And like outside of the turnovers, if I'm looking for snapshots to remember this game by, getting surge and having explosive runs
13:38against this front, even if it was inconsistent, that's one.
13:41But that touchdown drive, the intentional grounding where Iman Wari just did not bite on the boot fake at all and was right in his face.
13:48That was his only incompletion of that drive. He hit Evans on the 15-yarder on first and 20, which I did want to make a note.
13:55I loved the broadcast. It was such a great shot.
13:58Evans, the play we already showed where Okada just crushed him on the inbreaker.
14:02He's playing with broken ribs. Yeah. And they zoomed in on Mike Evans' face after that catch, and he looked like he was about to cry.
14:09And I was like, yeah, holy shit. Like these guys play through a lot of stuff, and you can kind of forget
14:15that over the course of a game from like the 30,000-foot broadcast view.
14:19But the close-up of his face in that moment, I was like, this dude is gutting through some really nasty shit to play this well.
14:26We didn't need this season from Mike Evans to appreciate how legendary of a player Mike Evans is and what he's done in his career.
14:33But I do think sometimes it's helpful when guys—Brady.
14:35Brady going to Tampa is an example of this to me, obviously on a different level.
14:40But when a guy changes circumstances and you kind of have to look at him a little bit differently and we control
14:46for so many of the different variables, and it's like, oh, man, yeah, this guy, like, even if you take him and
14:52put him in a different spot, what an incredible player he is.
14:55And so Mike Evans doing this on this team in these moments and us seeing him contribute to this sort of offense,
15:01that just playing with broken ribs like that, toughing that stuff out, how important he was for the Niners to win this game.
15:08The moment where he turns Trayvon Diggs around to look at the back of his jersey.
15:12Mike Evans is running up the score on his legacy so far this season, and I find that very beautiful.
15:18I'm very happy for all the love Mike Evans is getting here.
15:21But again, on that drive, like, Purdy on the touchdown to Cooks, he buys time and, like, creates that himself, the two-point conversion to Mike Evans.
15:28Like, he did so much stuff out of structure in addition to, like, yeah, like, to be able to buy time like
15:34that against a rush like Seattle's and then make a throw like that under duress.
15:38And then to do it again on the two-point conversion in addition to standing in the pocket and ripping five or six really impressive throws against this defense.
15:46I thought Brock Purdy was awesome in this game, even with, you know, I'm sure he wants the interception to now Maya
15:52Pritchett back early in the third quarter. Not to say he was perfect, but he's a great call.
15:57Like, if you just watch how that call unfolds, it's exactly what you want if you're Seattle.
16:02It's an overload pressure to the offense's right side.
16:05He tries to come off of it quickly. And it's kind of like a palmsy coverage, Derek, where he probably thinks it's
16:11like some sort of quarters and then Pritchett comes off of it.
16:14And so when you think about the beats of that play as a defense, rush coverage tied together, it's exactly how you want that play to unfold.
16:22And so it's a bad result from the quarterback, but it's also just perfect defense on multiple different levels.
16:27Which even if you have a good day, the Seahawks are going to do that.
16:31Exactly. I love that call because it's it's for a couple of reasons.
16:35I love that call one when you're doing it.
16:37And I don't know if Pritchett was freestyling. I don't know if they would like taught it this way for this game,
16:43but he's usually when you play palms, it's like the cornerback is in squat technique.
16:47So he's like back a little bit more to the sideline.
16:51He's trying to eye the quarterback and stuff. But on that play, he's like backpedaling and looks like he's more playing like a deep third zone.
16:58And then he like snaps and turns and comes off of it.
17:01And so it never really looks like he's playing the squat corner to Purdy until he's driving on the ball.
17:07And so I think you had that little nugget, which I thought was interesting and cool.
17:11It's really more like a trap call. The other element of it, I'm sure you guys remember this in 2024 early on.
17:17And the Niners played the Vikings in like week three or something like that.
17:21I do. This was the first this was the first week that Brian Flores was like all of my palms pressures.
17:27I'm turning them up to 10 and Purdy had nothing for it.
17:30And so I thought that that was interesting that the Seahawks were like, we saw that game.
17:35We're going to play a little bit more of that stuff because that's Seahawks do some of that.
17:40But that's not really their bread and butter. But they were going to it a good number of times in this game.
17:46All this being said about how impressive a win it is for the Niners, the Seahawks very much had a chance to win this game.
17:53If we have a down the line shot of that Cooper Cup play, there is a chance that Seattle were sitting here
17:59talking about how the Seahawks miraculously were able to overcome.
18:02How many turnovers did they have? Four. Four turnovers and ultimately win this game.
18:06Four turnovers, one of which, like you said, was just a touchdown, like not even a short field, just a touchdown.
18:12So for them to be as close as they were, I'd be frustrated if I was a Seahawks fan because you shouldn't turn the ball over four times.
18:20And Sam Darnold, unfortunately, this is more of a trend than you would prefer.
18:23The turnover worthy plays and the negative plays. I think he threw picks on his first attempts of each half after throwing
18:30a pick on his first attempt of the Chargers game last week.
18:33That would trouble me. But to be as close as they were to pulling this out of the fire, despite everything that
18:39went wrong, I think that's weirdly encouraging, even though they need to clean it up.
18:43On defense, I think that's where I sit with it.
18:46Again, watching them get pushed around is kind of would be overstating it.
18:50But watch them getting pushed around situationally when the touchdown, the 11 yard McCaffrey touchdown is a perfect example.
18:55On that play, it's actually a really cool thought process from San Francisco.
18:58They're an 11 personnel. And so Seattle matches it with light people.
19:02And but Evans is so condensed on that play that he almost becomes a tight end the way that they're blocking it.
19:08And it turns into 11 yard touchdown. Yeah. The Seahawks, the brilliance with the Seahawks so often is that because they they
19:14can live in this light body world and still stop the run no matter how you're approaching them.
19:19And so to watch it happen that way, where the Niners, again, situationally with some personnel groupings, were able to run the ball consistently.
19:26That is something maybe just to file away that does feel a little bit different.
19:30But we've seen this team be so good on that front.
19:33I'm not really worried about it. The one thing I would come away from with this game in Seattle when we're considering
19:39what we thought about them potentially coming into the year and then what it's looked like so far and what it looked like in this game.
19:46I'm surprised that the offensive line looked as out of sorts as it did against the Niners front, because this was a
19:52group that had continuity coming into this season. They were bringing back all these guys, even with a new offensive coordinator.
19:58The thought was, is this going to be the best version we have seen from the Seahawks offensive line in years and
20:04years and years when you consider all the circumstances?
20:07And that just didn't happen today. Like there were a lot of plays where the Niners were really kind of chewing them up up front.
20:14That would be the thing if I were a Seahawks fan being like, OK, is that something to worry about long term?
20:20Overall, I don't think you watch this game and think the sky is falling or we should be really worried about a lot of stuff.
20:27But that was the one element of what I saw from the Seahawks in this game that might give me a little
20:33bit of pause about what the rest of the season would look like.
20:37You think that's unfair, Derek? I think there was a little bit of that.
20:41I will say Grayson Holton, the more the season goes on, is starting to play very well.
20:45He's the one who forces the fumble on the touchdown that they get.
20:49And he had a huge sack in this game.
20:51Yes. Keon White was good in this game. Keon White's been good.
20:55They got Michael Williams back in this game. And so there's still no Nick Bosa.
20:59But I do think the front is probably going to be better than it was in week one.
21:04And so I will at least give Seattle a little bit more time because I do think some of the discombobulation with
21:10the offense overall ends up hurting the offensive line.
21:13Like when your backs are constantly fumbling and your quarterback is throwing a pick on the first drive of the game and
21:19you can't get into the rhythm you want. I do think that hurts you a little bit.
21:23And honestly, to Dave's point about like Sam Darnold, just like all of these turnovers, they are definitely like that's just who he is.
21:30They won the Super Bowl with him leading the NFL in turnovers last year.
21:34And I would say even though we knew that that going in, it's pretty hard to repeat doing that.
21:39Like that's a really, really tough way to live if he's going to continue to do this.
21:44And I do feel like right now the problem is worse than it was last year.
21:48Or at least you were getting more of the positives to kind of offset it.
21:53And I do feel like the offense is a little bit more stop and start for various reasons.
21:58But I do think partly because of that right now.
22:00What do you think of the other reasons? I mean, I do think it's him just missing time.
22:05Like that's going to hurt. But I don't know, I guess I do think that what you pointed out specifically with Kubiak last year, his situational play calling.
22:13I don't think you feel as much of that with Brian Fleury.
22:17And that's not to say that he's like terrible at it.
22:20But Kubiak did really get them out of some jams last year in a way that I don't know if I always feel for them.
22:27It just feels like there are a bit fewer like easy completions, especially to the ancillary players who aren't JSN.
22:32I think that's fair. I mean, we really didn't see many of those today at all.
22:37I mean, I hear you, but I mean, did like JSN's target share last year was out of this world.
22:42It was off the charts. I mean, this like he's good enough that he can get away with it.
22:47But I feel like that's been the story for the Seahawks over the last couple of years.
22:52More than anything. And you can call this copium if you want to.
22:56I just think the Seahawks will look like a different team when their preferred running backs are available.
23:01Yeah, that's going to be a big part of this for sure.
23:04To not have either one. And obviously we knew they were going to be without Charbonnet.
23:09But to lose Jadarian Price for a significant period of time after knowing you weren't going to have Charbonnet for six weeks.
23:15You can just feel how toothless they are. And like Emmanuel Wilson's had some nice moments and he does what he can, but you're downgraded there.
23:22And then you're just you're not getting anything from George Helani at all to this point.
23:26And so if I was a Seahawks fan, I would be telling myself that will probably look like a much different offense
23:32when I mean both of those guys will be available.
23:35I would hope pretty soon. I know like Price has still got a few weeks on injured reserve.
23:40Charbonnet is ramping up. But if I was a Seahawks fan, I'd be like, all right, within the month, I have optimism that those guys will be available.
23:48And this will look a lot more than a lot better than it does right now.
23:52Derek, I'm really glad you mentioned Grayson Halton because I feel like he's a really important player for a bunch of different
23:59reasons beyond what he did in this game. The main concern I had about the Niners coming into this season was what
24:05is the interior of the defensive line going to look like?
24:08It's still a pretty thin group overall. I mean, they've just had injuries on top of the concerns we had about those young guys taking a step.
24:15But the fact that C.J. West, Alfred Collins, it hasn't mattered that those players that we thought were going to be foundational
24:21and central to just the Niners defensive plan this year, like last year into this year.
24:26Those guys have been a non-factor for injury reasons, and they're not a part of the equation.
24:31The fact that that hasn't mattered in part because Halton has played so well, it's huge.
24:35Like, it's a pivotal thing to have happened because there is a chance that those swings and misses so far in the
24:41interior of the defensive line would have been enough to torpedo your season.
24:45And him specifically, on top of, you know, whatever you're getting from Osa Digizua, but that wouldn't have been enough.
24:50And so Halton specifically kind of being able to keep this thing held together when it seemed like that entire position group,
24:56especially against the run, would have just been an absolute nightmare this year, has been really, really big for this team.
25:02If it was just Osa, it would not have been enough.
25:05And I actually do. It's funny, Halton being the one who has really come on for them, rather than, you know, Alfred
25:11Collins, who I know obviously he's missed some time.
25:14But Collins is more of a sit there, take some space sort of player.
25:18Halton's got a little bit more like juice, get in the backfield, which like that really is what compliments these linebackers the best.
25:24Like if you create some sort of window, Dre Greenlaw's going to find it.
25:28Fred Warren is going to find it. Even I think Jalen Duggar is going to find it if you give him a little bit of space.
25:35Like I just think these guys fit into the chaos incredibly well when you can create it.
25:40And so the fact that he's come on has been really, really huge for them.
25:44And then the other guy I want to shout out on defense, getting Malik Mustafa back in the lineup.
25:50That dude was on a war path today. He had multiple shots.
25:53I think at least two that I can remember both were on Rashid Shahid.
25:57Or no, the first one was on Cooper Cup.
25:59The second one was on Rashid Shahid just flying out of the roof to hit somebody at the sticks.
26:05And one of them was a big third down stop.
26:07Like so the fact that he's been back in the lineup and you can between like you can feel the attitude again in the defense.
26:14I think that to me is like what makes them feel like the Niners again.
26:19Jair Brown had a moment like that too, like late in the game.
26:22He had just I think it was like a Darnold check down to Helani on like third and six and Jair Brown
26:28just smacked the bejesus out of him. Like, yeah, that's a that is a wonderful point, Derek.
26:33They played with that like really inspiring physicality and aggressiveness that like the great Niners teams looked like.
26:38And the great point. The crazy thing is they lost Greenlaw.
26:41Like so much of that has been too much of that.
26:44So much of that has been Greenlaw over the years and they lost him pretty early in this game and still played
26:50that way, which also speaks to what a batshit game.
26:53And this was that Greenlaw got tossed for headbutting Ernest Jones.
26:56And that's item 15 on the list of things to talk about.
26:59Do we want to spend any more time talking about the end of the game?
27:04I mean, the JSN wouldn't even call it a drop.
27:06The JSN incompletion on the corner out that that falls incomplete and forces them into that fort down.
27:11Like if that either of those plays go slightly differently, we may be talking about the Seahawks winning this game.
27:17I'm I thought like JSN got smacked a play or two before that.
27:21So I wonder if like that had anything to do with it.
27:24Like I he's I think that this was just sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way at the end.
27:29Like, yes, listen, there is no part of my being that's going to put any of this on Jackson Smith and Jimbo considering with the game close.
27:37I hope even the most diehard Seahawks fans are like, ah, you're you're allowed a mulligan.
27:41Yes, correct. The touchdown he scored is an insane play.
27:44Like when you think about where he catches that ball and where Fred Warner specifically is in relation to him when he catches that ball.
27:51Just a ridiculous player. I think Derek's point, though, this is the last thing we have to say about this game about
27:57getting the ancillary pieces more involved that that would be the other part of if you're trying to build a case for
28:03why the Seattle offense would just be a better unit and more consistent unit this year than they were last year.
28:09The offensive line continuity was a big part of that.
28:12But the other part of it was, oh, man, another year of A.J.
28:15Barner, Elijah Arroyo in year two, a full offseason of Rashid Shaheed.
28:19Like we're going to get these guys way more involved in the offense than we did.
28:23And so far, it just hasn't really felt like that.
28:26It's felt like the same helping we got of JSN last year.
28:29And it's a long season. You again, you have a new coordinator trying to incorporate some of this stuff.
28:35But those two elements, the offensive line continuity and those ancillary pass catchers being a bigger factor for this team, that hasn't really happened up to this point.
28:42All right. Let's talk about some of the other performances that really jumped out today.
28:46It is time for You Have My Attention. Gentlemen, now you have my attention.
28:50The Minnesota Vikings are now 5-0. They are one of two 5-0 teams in the NFL after knocking off the Saints 23-13.
28:57The Vikings at 5-0. And your offense showing a little bit more life today than it has in previous weeks.
29:02You guys officially have our attention. This is our question on the preview show is, can the offense show enough to make
29:08you want to take this team a little more seriously?
29:11And what is your answer to that question? My answer is, beggars can't be choosers.
29:15I said on Friday, show me something. Okay. Okay.
29:18I will say this, though. I will say this.
29:20Take the morsels. I think it is worth saying, this was a far bigger beatdown than the score suggests.
29:25This was a... Yeah. 100%. This was a dominant performance by the Minnesota Vikings.
29:29They lost 17 expected points on two snaps in this game.
29:32I mean, and that's part of it. I get it.
29:35But they lost the ball on the plus 7 and on the plus 12.
29:39Bare minimum, those are going to be field goals.
29:42At least one, you think, has a chance to become a touchdown.
29:45And one of them becomes the Saints' only touchdown of the day.
29:48And so without those, even if only one of those things happens, you're talking like 30 to 13 or like 26 to 7 or something.
29:55And I think this looks a little more impressive.
29:58I thought the Vikings ran the ball really well.
30:00And most importantly, you know what? All right. I am being diplomatic.
30:04If Kyler Murray makes decisions as well most of the time as he did in this game, I think the Vikings will be pretty good.
30:10Like, I was pretty impressed with Kyler Murray's like down-to-down decision making and making the plays that were there for him to make.
30:17Certainly not spectacular. But like, we said it all offseason.
30:20If Kyler Murray's just fine, this will probably be a pretty good team.
30:23And I think I believe that. And I think he showed us glimpses of that in this game.
30:28And I don't even think just decision making, actually.
30:31I mean, I think you're right on the decision making.
30:34I think his first 11 passes, 12 passes, he completed all of them.
30:37And some of that was check downs and stuff.
30:40But he did make some really impressive plays going where he needed to at the ball.
30:44But I do think the other part of it, for me, that I kind of got excited about was you saw Kyler Murray, the athlete again.
30:51It was the playmaking. The playmaking is what I would get excited about.
30:55He had seven scrambles in this game for 54 yards and three first downs, which is like double what he had in
31:01the previous two starts that he had made combined.
31:04And then the last thing, even one of those first downs that are one of those scrambles that he did not run for a first down.
31:11It was when they were at about midfield and he turned what if it was an incompletion, what could have been a
31:1761 yard field goal into a makeable 55 yard field goal, which they did make.
31:21And like you, you're going to need those little bits of him squeezing out points like that for what is, I think
31:27an offense that can be nice, but it's probably going to still be imperfect.
31:31And so the fact that you've got him having those floor raising plays again is like, all right, if he can do
31:37that and Jefferson can make three insane catches. I'm glad you said that.
31:41The next part I was going to say is he's also able and willing to just put the ball in Justin Jefferson's
31:47vicinity, which you cannot take for granted after the last year or so of Vikings football.
31:51Absolutely not. It just, I think I come away from this game just with questions about how it's all going to fit
31:58together in the long run, because I'm with you, Derek.
32:00I think the most encouraging part of what Kyler gave you in this game was the playmaking.
32:05It was the, what he was doing as a scrambler, but also just what he was doing as a play extender and an improviser.
32:12I mean, the first, the completion he had to Jefferson for 19 yards in the first quarter, that's a play where Jefferson
32:18snaps off the crosser on a scramble drill and it's a chunk gain.
32:22And so that type of stuff is going to happen if he's extending plays.
32:25But some of the stuff in structure still isn't really there.
32:28And when we've seen the Vikings at their best, right?
32:31Sam Darnold did a little bit off schedule, but this was a, we're, this guy is going to stand in the pocket.
32:37He's going to throw the ball where we're, we want him to throw the ball and we're going to get some explosives off of it.
32:44He's going to make some mistakes in the long run, but it's a lot of stuff happening within the structure of the
32:50offense combined with what we are in defense. That equation kind of changes a little bit.
32:55If Kyler Murray is going to play like this, I think what will make me feel good about the overall formula in
33:01the long run, Derek, is if you're combining the creation plays, the willingness to give Justin Jefferson three or four chances a game, which he's going to make.
33:09Like the thing that I want to kind of create some steadiness for the offense to go along with that is what you find in the run game.
33:17And even if it hasn't been good so far, I think you're potentially seeing enough flashes from it.
33:22And especially when the offensive line gets healthy. Yeah.
33:24But the fact that Donovan Jackson and Derisaw didn't play in this, they didn't have the left side of their line, the left side of the line.
33:32And I think that what you've seen is that when they're running the ball downhill out of some of this two back
33:38stuff, I actually think that's when the run game looks the best.
33:41And so I still think they're finding their footing in that area.
33:44And if they can and then you combine it with some splash plays from the quarterback in 18, that to me might
33:51feel like enough combined with the defense to make this thing dangerous.
33:54I would go as far as to say I thought the running game was outright good in this game, especially because the Derisaw's out.
34:01Donovan Jackson's done for the year. Jordan Mason's still on IR as well.
34:04Like I think you're going to be limited in your explosiveness because Aaron Jones is your running back.
34:09And that's just it is what it is. But they got some decent gashes, but they finished with a 38 and a
34:15half percent rushing success rate against arguably the worst run defense in the NFL so far this year.
34:20Like it I don't know where I land with it.
34:23Again, I think there are enough moments to. Potentially give me some hope about what this thing looks like in the long
34:29run, but right now when I wouldn't say it's been good when Sanker returned that fumble and I mean they missed the
34:35PAT, so they should have been down, but it's tied.
34:38That was the other the other thing that kind of sparked my interest and got my attention was they went right back
34:44down the field and retook the lead like five or six plays.
34:48And a lot of that was the running game like Jones ripped off a 20 yard gain on that drive and then
34:54they got to the plus 10 and just bullied the shit out of the Saints for a touchdown.
34:59That's what I'm saying. There were flashes. They're like there were five or six runs in this game where it's just like,
35:05OK, that's the vision for what this thing can be.
35:08If you want to call it flashes, that's fine, but there were things to be encouraged about considering what they are working without right now.
35:15That Jones touchdown is a perfect example. They lost Hawkinson on the second snap of this game.
35:19That's right. By the way. So like a pretty Josh Oliver's already hurt.
35:23And so you're really depleted a tight end. A pretty depleted offense moved the ball well enough.
35:28Certainly not exciting, but encouraging at least that Jones touchdown is a perfect example.
35:31That's just like we're pulling a guard. We're running power.
35:34We're going down. We're getting downhill. You know, I guess it was.
35:38I guess it was a fullback on that play, but.
35:40Oh, no, it's a guard. Yeah, it's a guard.
35:43I was talking about the end zone angle. Yes.
35:45In the middle of the third quarter, they had like a really nice trap run.
35:50Yeah, I think if you're not going to be a team that can just like outright move people, you need to have
35:56a little bit of we're pulling guards and we're doing two back stuff and it's a little bit weird and all that stuff.
36:02And so I do think you saw some moments and I still think they're trying to work on how clean that that stuff is going to be.
36:10The Hawkinson thing is huge, though, because obviously having Jefferson back eases some of the pain.
36:14But he had been Kyler Murray's favorite target the previous two games like he Kyler Murray was throwing him the ball all over the middle of the field.
36:22And so the fact that obviously he misses some time is going to be tough.
36:26But I this game did make me more encouraged.
36:29I do still want to see it against a defense that is not been one of the five worst defenses in the NFL this year.
36:35But I think after last week where it was like, oh, they should beat the hell out of the Dolphins and they
36:42really didn't until like the fourth quarter. The fact that you actually made a bad defense look bad.
36:47That is some amount of encouraging. I'm not willing to crown the Vikings off this performance.
36:51But again, I asked the question, can you do anything?
36:54And if they win this game like 12 to 6, I'm just like, I don't care.
36:58Screw it. There's nothing you could do to make me feel better about this.
37:02I don't care what you're 30 in this game.
37:05They should have and they could have and it was enough to make me to make me encouraged and excited to see more.
37:11That trap run you're talking about, Derek, that was on the same drive as when they scored that touchdown on the power.
37:17I mean, that was on the same drive. We saw them stack a couple of those runs together.
37:22The other part that, again, I want to see it maybe against a slightly different defense, even if it's impressive in this
37:28game because you're down to starting offensive linemen. The Saints finished with a 28% pressure rate on a 36% blitz rate and had a 3.09 time to throw.
37:36And when the Vikings had a 3.09 time to throw, that shouldn't happen.
37:40That's hard to do. That shouldn't happen. And you felt that in this game.
37:44The pass pro for the Vikings was very good, even with two offensive linemen out.
37:48The play that sticks out to me that, like, is the perfect example of this.
37:52We're tied at 13. There's two minutes left in the third quarter.
37:55Kyra Murray hops around in the pocket for six and a half seconds on that play.
38:00That's not an exaggeration. That's the actual recorded time on NextGen.
38:03And he finds Jones for a 32-yard game. Like, that's great.
38:06It's good that you have a quarterback who can do stuff deep into the down.
38:10I want to see them be able to stack some of these performances together against teams that are not the New Orleans Saints.
38:16You could see the light bulb click on in his head where he danced enough and looked for a rushing lane for
38:23long enough that he suddenly realized, like, wait. We're, like, seven seconds into this play.
38:27Somebody's probably open. And he was like, all right, I guess I'll throw.
38:30And the guy was all by himself. Anything to say about the Vikings' defense in this game that we haven't really already said this season?
38:37Because to me it feels like more of the same.
38:40No, this is just when you're a young quarterback in the league, you're going to get baptized.
38:45And this is who does it. And I just, you could see by the end of the game, Tyler Shuck did not
38:51really want to participate against some of the blitz stuff.
38:54Which, like, yeah, you have a banged up offensive line.
38:56You're being blitzed at an unholy rate. Your guys cannot block any of it up.
39:01And so there was, like, the pick he throws at the end where they do, like, rush pretty heavy against him.
39:06It doesn't actually even get home. Like, they actually pick it up really well.
39:10And he just kind of, like, chucks up a go ball.
39:13What I think was supposed to be maybe a double move to Chris Olave.
39:17And, like, he's not under pressure. But I think he's just kind of under the assumption that, like, this is all we
39:23got against the blitz at this point. And the game is pretty much just over after that.
39:28And so I don't think it really affects how I change about Tyler Shuck long term.
39:33Or really changes what I think about the Minnesota Vikings' defense.
39:36But there is something kind of fun about watching, like, a young quarterback have to go through their first trial by fire of Brian Flores.
39:43The first play of the game. We talked about this, Derek, with, I can't remember after which game it was on the hangover.
39:49Just leaning into the idea of how much the Vikings dictate how the game is played on that side of the ball.
39:55Like, they're always the ones dictating how the game is played when they're on defense.
39:59The opening play of the game. Cashman comes untouched through the B gap.
40:03Shuck has to dump it down to check it down to Kamara.
40:06And Van Ginkle drops him for a five-yard loss.
40:09It's the first play of the game. And that's just how a lot of the possessions look against them.
40:14They're also doing some funky-ass shit on the back end of some of these plays.
40:18They had a seven-man pressure where they were playing, like, it kind of looked like one side of a cover three to the right side.
40:25It wasn't cover zero. Like, it wasn't man, even though it was a seven-man pressure.
40:29Like, their ability to do some of that stuff where they're, in theory, vacating so many voids you should be able to throw the ball in.
40:37But no one seems to be able to find them.
40:39And then when you go back and actually watch either the dots or the all-22, you want it to be a mistake the quarterback is making.
40:47Where he's like, man, this guy's wide open. Like, how can you not find this?
40:51But so often you have droppers in the exact zones you should be, or the exact situations, the exact areas you should be able to access.
40:58Like, what they're doing right now in some of these pressures and just how dialed in they seem to be, taking away
41:04the exact routes they have to, given what the pressure should open up, is crazy.
41:08Like, it just, he has been on an absolute heater for the last five games.
41:13It's remarkable. Well, and he, I think Mark of a great coach, knows his own tendencies.
41:17So the first third down of this game, what's the whole thing with Brian Flores?
41:21They're going to bring pressure. It's going to be some weird zone drop, all this stuff.
41:26Nope, they play man-free and Tyler Shuck has no idea what's going on.
41:29And he, like, I think he ends up dirtying the ball.
41:32And so, like, knowing your own tendencies of, like, immediately throwing the quarterback off rhythm of, like, oh, we kind of prepped for this thing all week.
41:40And immediately they're giving me something different. Like, you just, you get them unsettled immediately.
41:44Absolutely. The only, obviously, like, guys like Wink Martindale have been, like, crazy with the Blitz stuff.
41:49But in my mind, the only thing that really feels as insane and loose as Brian Flores is, like, Pete Clemson, Brent Venables.
41:55Where it just, like, they're doing stuff that is not holy.
41:58It is not in the Bible. And they're still getting away with it.
42:02And that's what, to do it at the NFL level is absurd.
42:05I was going to say, that's a little easier when you've got, like.
42:09When you've got Isaiah Simmons in the college and, like, all these players.
42:12But future NFL players on your team going against, you know, a middling Pitt team.
42:16Sorry to Pitt fans. But, yeah, I think it's a different animal doing it in the NFL.
42:21He's making these offenses look like middling ACC teams, which is pretty impressive.
42:25Let's get to our next one here. The Detroit Lions put up 45 points in a win against the Cardinals.
42:30They go three and out on their first three possessions and then just go on a touchdown spree after that.
42:36I know it's the Cardinals defense. It's been struggling.
42:38But watching the Lions offense and watching them hit this gear is just such a reminder of what they're capable of when they're humming.
42:45And so the Lions put up 45 against the Cardinals and really just putting their foot on their throat in, like, the final three quarters of this game.
42:53You have our attention. Even if it's fake because the Cardinals aren't very good, it was still refreshing to see the Lions win a game this way.
43:00They haven't they have not played a stress free game yet.
43:03Like, they've either lost or been in a nail biter all the way down to the wire.
43:08And so, like, the Lions are at a point where you can't take for granted the opportunity to kick the shit out of somebody.
43:15So, it doesn't drastically change my opinion of the Lions, but it still means something for them to put in a performance
43:21like this, especially heading into their bye week. They're off in week six.
43:25So, to get a week off coming off a performance like this, I'm sure is a relief for a lot of people in that building.
43:32It doesn't change my opinion of them. To me, it was more a reminder of, and this is such a stupid thing
43:38to say, but how many good players the Lions have?
43:40Like, this type of performance in this type of game is just one of those.
43:45And the guy that really makes me say that is like, oh yeah, Sam Laporta's really good.
43:49And they have a lot of these guys. And the other part of it was watching the way that the offensive line played just overall.
43:56I thought that you had some really nice moments from the guards in this game.
44:01You had some absolute highlight reel plays from Penny Sewell in this game.
44:04And you talk about the bye week. Cade Mays is going to be back.
44:08And so, there was a moment earlier in the season when the offensive line was banged up.
44:13When Miller and I think Mahogany missed that game.
44:15I want to say it was against Buffalo. That sounds right.
44:18And you're looking at the overall just state of the offense in Detroit and being like, man, is this going to feel different than it did last year?
44:26When they were really struggling up front and they were really inconsistent.
44:29And then you watch a game like today. The way the offensive line played.
44:33The fact that you're about to get your starting center back.
44:36All those skill position guys have their moments over the course of this thing.
44:40And I think it just, again, was a reminder to me that when they're at full strength, which they're going to be here in a second.
44:48The offensive line, the offense overall really does have a special gear that it can reach.
44:52The offensive line kicked ass in this game. They really did.
44:55Like Mahogany, you mentioned, I thought he had just a really good game.
44:59Like there were, between him and Sewell and obviously a couple of the tight ends in the run game as well.
45:04There were a couple of runs specifically to the left side where it's just, you could run a truck through there.
45:10And I just thought, that's what the Detroit Lions offense should feel like.
45:14And so the fact that they were able to tap into a little bit of that against like, the Cardinals defense isn't good.
45:20But like, some of those players up front are decent.
45:23Like, Roy Lopez can do some stuff too. Zayvon Collins can set the edge.
45:27Like, they don't have nothing up there. And so, I thought that that was impressive.
45:31And I think too, in terms of how many points they scored, they did not do anything for the first 20 minutes of this game.
45:38They went three and out of their first three drives.
45:41Yes, it was a lot of like, we're in gun.
45:44We do not have answers for their blitz stuff.
45:46We don't know what we're doing. To watch what they did last week and then come out.
45:51So the first drive, they were under center. But their second and third drives, they come out in the gun on first
45:57and 10 on both of those drives. It's like, guys, why are you doing this to me?
46:02I couldn't believe it. It was all just weird.
46:04Like, they come out with that. They had a drive where Jared Goff gets strip sacked on a second down because Sam Laporta is blocking Baron Browning.
46:12Like, I'm not even saying that's like a schematic fault.
46:15Sometimes you got to let your tight ends block.
46:17But it was just like, that's probably not a situation you want to be in.
46:21And that stuff happens. But even on that play, it's a gun play action.
46:25And with the action, he drifts into Sam Laporta.
46:28And so it's just everything about that play. It's like, let's throw the shotgun shit in the garbage can.
46:33Like there, you have a way to play offense where you can really assert yourself.
46:37And so to watch them kind of drift away from that.
46:40And I thought the drive starters beyond those first three drives were some of the best calls of the entire game.
46:46We're throwing screens. We're just, we're getting things going.
46:49Obviously, the one, the throwback screen to Gibbs is the craziest version of that.
46:52But I thought that the drive starters after those first three drives and really jumpstarted it every single time, essentially, they touched the ball.
46:59And so, I mean, it's, you had a play action screen to Gibbs for 23 yards when they were up 14-7.
47:05The throwback screen to Gibbs jumpstart's a two-minute drive for them to kick the 24-7 field goal.
47:10Like, it just felt like Petsing and the offense overall really settled in over the course of the game and really allowed
47:16them to tap into what we saw for most of it.
47:19Their drive starters got better. And then the fourth down calls.
47:22They had, they had three of them. They had multiple fourth down touchdowns.
47:26They had, I think actually both of them were to JMO, but like one, or one of them was to Jameson on the, on like the back line.
47:33And then they had a really sweet fourth and one conversion in the middle of the second, which this actually is when they got jumpstarted.
47:40This was when the offense finally came alive, but they ran this little, like they had Brock Wright motion from left to right into the flat.
47:47And so it's fourth and one. Everyone's like, we got to run with the flat guy.
47:52But they have Sam Laporta already to the right.
47:54He runs this little like out and up route.
47:57And he is, nobody's even in his vicinity. And he scores a touchdown and it did kind of feel like a deep
48:03breath moment for the Lions where they were like, okay, we survived a fourth down and we scored a touchdown.
48:09We can kind of cruise back into this game the way that they want to.
48:13And then from there on, they were the offense that looks like the best in the NFL again.
48:18You're talking about the, the touchdown Laporta scored on fourth down.
48:21Yes. Yeah. To me, to me, the biggest play is the fourth and three on the previous drive, because if they don't
48:27get that fourth and three on the previous drive, they're already down seven, nothing.
48:31And then you're handing the back, handing the ball back to the Cardinals.
48:34And so getting that fourth and three and on that fourth and three, again, talking about the game that Laporta had the
48:41fourth and one touchdown is leaking out wide open down the right sideline.
48:44That fourth and three, he's running a big boy in breaker route with Denzel Burke on him.
48:49And Jared gets all the way back to it on the backside.
48:52Like that is a big time play from those two guys.
48:55If they don't get that and there's a chance you give the ball back to Arizona, they go up 14, nothing after that drive.
49:02The entire game potentially changes in that moment. He got smoked on that one.
49:06That to me still felt like they were still like kind of holding onto something and still clinching.
49:11The touchdown to me felt like we can breathe a little bit.
49:14But no, you're right. Like if they, if they don't get that and Arizona scores there, like Arizona is a good enough
49:20offense that if they're ahead of the curve, they can get the game to run away from you.
49:25Obviously, that's not what happened, but they're talented enough to do that.
49:29That's arguably my bigger takeaway from this game. And I'll say it again.
49:32We don't have to overreact to beating the Cardinals, but the Lions have played a lot of stressful games and the Lions
49:38defense has looked abysmal every week of the season up until now.
49:42I just looked this up while we were talking weeks one to four.
49:45They lead the lead, led the league in opponents points per drive.
49:49They were giving up more than three points per drive, which is worse than the Cowboys.
49:53It's worse than the Saints. I mean, even their wins, they have not been able to count on the defense for anything.
49:59So while all of that was getting going on the offensive side of the ball to force five consecutive three and outs,
50:05and we don't have to overreact to what it means because going into this game, Arizona was going three and out 40% of the time.
50:12Like top six number in the league. Like this is not a good team.
50:16But you take what you can get when you've had the first month of the season.
50:21I mean, Kelvin Shepard was under fire. Oh, it was a tough one.
50:24That was a press conference was incredible. That was a we're trying to keep our heads above water sort of press conference.
50:30Absolutely. And so to come out here and like show you anything against anyone, I thought Roger McCreary in the first half
50:37of this game was pretty damn good. Like clearly the Cardinals made it a point to target the shit out of him.
50:43And for the most part, he gave way better than he got.
50:46DJ Reed had some nice moments too. And for where this secondary has been to this point in the season and knowing
50:52that Brian Branch is expected back on the other side of the bye week.
50:56I was watching that back and kind of like stroking my chin like, OK, well, if the offense looks like this again,
51:02we've said this about so many teams, but we only need the defense to be fine to have a shot to do something here.
51:09And they looked fine in this game. Two more things.
51:12Talking about that fourth and one touchdown, Derek, the play before that.
51:15Laporta gets it to fourth and one. They spit him the ball on the flat.
51:19He makes a guy miss. And that's the only reason he was even fourth and one.
51:24He would have gotten tackled essentially at the line of scrimmage if he didn't make.
51:28I think it was Williams. It was wide at Williams.
51:31He like shook in space to get to the fourth and one.
51:34And then the other play, just we mentioned it very quickly, the touchdown throw to Jamison Williams, like the golf is sliding
51:40just enough to his left to buy time to make that throw.
51:43And I mean, it's a beautiful throw and catch like that's by again, buying just enough time in the pocket to get that thing off.
51:50And so a really nice performance from the Lions.
51:53I know it's against the Cardinals, but when you want to see their offense, be able to hit that sort of gear.
51:59And they did today. Speaking of offenses that hit a gear today, the Patriots scored 45 points in a blowout win over
52:05a Las Vegas Raiders team that have been playing pretty darn good football over the first month of the season.
52:11Drake May, 26 to 34, 374, 11 yards per attempt, four touchdowns, 0.74 EPA per drop back.
52:15You officially have our attention. What was your biggest, both of y'all, what was your biggest impression watching this back?
52:21Like when it wasn't in the middle of the early window?
52:24Pass protection. Pass protection. And he believes he's the best player on the field again.
52:28Like those two things to me. Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that he was able to just stand there for six seconds?
52:36Most of the snaps in this game. That was my biggest take.
52:39Yes, but I saw that last week from him to the confidence, I mean.
52:43And so the fact that he had the confidence again where he was like, I can make all these throws.
52:49Because even like some of those throws were still very difficult, even if he obviously did have the time.
52:54I was really impressed with the offensive line, though.
52:57Not even just pass protection wise, but like the pass protection was very good.
53:00They were also picking stuff up, like not even just guys winning one on one, but like their plan was better than I think it had been.
53:08The plan was excellent. They were getting four hands on cross beat every single play.
53:12Like the pass protection plan was really, really good in this game for the Patriots.
53:16And I think what helped them a little bit there, the run game like kind of worked.
53:21It's not the best thing in the world, but over the first two or three weeks of the season, it was what
53:27it was last year, where it was a hindrance to the offense.
53:30And the quarterback had to make them right and make a bunch of plays.
53:34And last year they were able to do that against some, you know, so-so defenses.
53:39But they ran into some good ones against the playoffs and early this season.
53:42And that wasn't the case. This is a Raiders run defense that like has been solid.
53:47They've had their moments. They've got some decent players.
53:49We talked about it coming into this week and the fact that, you know, they didn't run all over them.
53:55They didn't kill them, but they made it such that this did not have to be a, hey, Drake may drop back
54:0150 times when they know you're going to pass for 40 of them sort of game.
54:05And the fact that they didn't have to live that way and then were able to be as dominant as they were in pass protection.
54:12I mean, I'm assuming it's more than five pressures, but like I feel like I could count on my hand the amount
54:19of times that he was unclean in this game.
54:21The only, so he was pressured like a reasonable amount when you actually look at the numbers, but that was in part
54:27just because those are based on it forever. Exactly.
54:30He's holding it forever. That's based on tracking stats.
54:32And so when you actually look at it, it reminded me a little bit of the game we talked about with, I
54:38can't remember which Bills game it was. It might've been last week.
54:42Patriots Bills? No. Yes. Maybe. Yes. Yeah. So it's similar where we talked about the Bills and their pass rush in that
54:48game where they had a decent amount of pressures over the course of the game when you look at next gen, but
54:54the time to pressure was just extremely low. And so that's what happened in this game as well.
54:59All of the players for the Patriots or for the Raiders in this game that had of the, there were four players
55:05that had at least three pressures in this game for, for Las Vegas.
55:09Three of them had a time to pressure of at least 3.3 seconds.
55:12So a lot of those pressures were coming really deep into the down because they're holding out of the ball.
55:18They're hunting big plays on the day. The Patriots gave up six quick pressures per next gen.
55:23A lot of those were to blitzers where guys are just coming clean a little bit.
55:27But when you look at the actual four man rush, them getting four hands on Crosby pretty much the entire game and making everyone else beat them.
55:34The Raiders couldn't do that. It's worth mentioning Tonka Hemingway came out pretty early and he'd been having a nice season, but
55:41their overall, the four man rush for the Raiders had absolutely no shot in this game.
55:45This was Drake's lowest pressure rate of the season.
55:48And I mean, all those numbers are accurate, but just watching this game back, Derek said it perfectly.
55:53Like the number of times the Raiders were able to move Drake off his spot and make him make a quick or frantic decision.
55:59It didn't happen very often. And I thought like a picture perfect snapshot of how this game went was Kyle Williams had
56:05the touchdown and then he had the second huge explosive when the game was already a blowout.
56:10The Raiders sent six and they pulled one guy out.
56:13So it was a five man blitz with like a sim pressure.
56:16And Hunter Henry was in the backfield with the with the back as well.
56:20So like they had a loaded backfield and it didn't nothing happened.
56:23Like they picked it up so effortlessly that Drake didn't even have to like look down at the rush.
56:29He didn't have to move his feet. They sent like it just it was the most ineffective blitz I've ever seen.
56:35And on that play, Henry chips Max Crosby. That's his role on that play from that split black split back.
56:40And it felt like that happened all the time.
56:43And the other thing I wanted to know besides Drake looking awesome and looking like the MVP runner up again, Caleb Lomu
56:49came in at halftime because Will Campbell got banged up and looked pretty damn good.
56:53Not that this is the most fierce pass rush in the NFL.
56:56And I think he went against Crosby at least once or twice, but like for the most part was not dealing with Max Crosby a lot.
57:04But man, for a guy where the book on Caleb Lomu as a first round pick was that he was going to need a lot of seasoning.
57:11He stepped in and I thought played really, really well.
57:14I think PFF charted him with one pressure allowed on 29 snaps.
57:17We talked about it coming into the season. Who would also be the edge presence for this team?
57:22Like where would they find pass rush considering the construction of the edge group?
57:26Elijah Ponder has done some good stuff for them.
57:29He had two sacks today. He had two quick pressures today.
57:32He had four pressures overall. Milton Williams had three quick pressures on the day.
57:35So that was one of the questions. Like edge rusher was a big question mark for this team.
57:40And Ponder has given them more than we probably would have expected.
57:44I'm thinking about featuring him on my That Rock video.
57:47You should. You should. He was he was everywhere.
57:49He's a good one, man. He's he I'm trying to figure out who he reminds me of.
57:54Like it's it's a cross position composition. But there's something about like Deion Dawkins has like a very weird body type.
58:00But like at his peak was like an insane athlete.
58:02And it just like kind of made it work.
58:05Elisha Ponder doesn't look like the most like chiseled insane athlete.
58:08But he just like he is a really good athlete who just makes shit work all the time.
58:13And like he's just the fact that he can be a rusher for them.
58:17He can crush the pocket. He's good in run defense.
58:20He's their best dropper as far as their edge guys go.
58:23Like he really is like a little bit of like a skeleton key sort of player for their front.
58:28He's awesome. It's not surprising that he doesn't look like an all-time athlete.
58:32The guy was undrafted last year. I mean, it's yeah for him to come along and be as central to their defense
58:38as he's been is a really nice story. The other thing I'd mentioned just schematically.
58:42I thought that the Patriots were doing some interesting stuff in this game.
58:46Like when you look at the drive for them to even go up 7-0.
58:49You get a DPI, which they got several of those in this game.
58:53There were several long pass interference penalties that jump started drives.
58:56But that to me just is a sign of an offense that's on the front foot the entire day.
59:01But on that drive, the 16-yard completion to Dobbs to kind of get things going.
59:06They have like a little rail motion. They get in a dagger off of that.
59:10They had multiple plays in this game, Derek, where they're either emptying out the back with like one of those like just
59:16drain motions from the backfield to get into empty or the back is offset to potentially incite like an empty check from the defense.
59:23Like they clearly thought they were seeing something with where the back was and getting him out of the backfield or offsetting
59:29him to kind of play with whatever the defense was expecting.
59:32They saw something on tape that forced that pushed them to do that.
59:35And so just some of the little buttons that they were pressing overall.
59:39The screen called a Hunter Henry is like a beautifully timed play and execution.
59:43Like I thought Josh McDaniels, but he's gotten some shit this year for what he's done.
59:47And I thought today was maybe the best game he has had so far this season.
59:52It finally looks like an offense that knows it doesn't have A.J.
59:55Brown, which it did not feel like that once he left for the first couple of weeks.
60:00It was a little bit of static. It was a little bit of like our guys will just win.
60:05And that's just not what they have right now.
60:08And I do think that some of the motion stuff was really impressive.
60:11You bring up so glad you bring up the play where they run that like rail motion where the player going out
60:17to the flat runs the wheel and they run dagger in front of it.
60:21They ran that again later in the game, early in the third quarter.
60:25And then he hits Eli Raritan on a unbelievably beautiful pass, like right over Quay Walker running.
60:30Yeah, that like that is as good of coverage as you can ask for from Quay Walker like that.
60:35You made the window so tight. It is what it is.
60:38And the quarterback was just better. And so then like knowing that they can get back to that play, knowing who's going to be able to cover him.
60:46Like I just I do think that their construction right now, it feels less static than it had before.
60:51Or my biggest gripe in weeks one and two was like their pass protection plan was so bad and it looked cleaner in this game.
60:58Like it the offense feels like it has answers again.
61:01And the quarterback is seeming like he believes in it again.
61:04And so if they're going to operate it this way, this feels like a team that has a top 10 unit on both sides of the ball.
61:11Truthfully. All right. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I wasn't going to do this.
61:15Oh, no. I saw where you were glancing. What do you have?
61:18We can save it. We can see. No, no.
61:21There's an empty spot at the table. You want to put them back that quickly?
61:25I don't. We probably not worth it. Do you want to use your hand raise here, Derek, in week five to put the Patriots back on?
61:32You don't have to. I'm not I'm not pressuring you.
61:35We can wait and see. Only because it's week five.
61:38No. But this does to me feel like a team that is like worth it.
61:42They're on watch right now. If they do this for one or two more weeks, like, yeah, absolutely.
61:47OK, we don't have to do it now because there is an empty seat that we are not going to fill.
61:53With anyone else. Just spoiler alert, because I don't think anyone else deserves it right now.
61:57Their next three games are Jets, Bears and Dolphins.
62:00I think. All right. Well, we'll check. We'll check back in after a couple of weeks.
62:04We'll check in after that. We'll check back in after a couple of weeks for just just to be clear.
62:10We are going to leave the seat empty. I think we should leave the seat empty after taking the Cowboys off on Thursday.
62:16I was very impressed by the Patriots today. And I mean, winning 45-17 in the NFL is impressive, but like it's it's
62:22not enough for me to want to reverse course that quickly.
62:25All right. OK. All right. We can keep him off.
62:28But like, hey, I mean, manageable schedule coming up.
62:31I assume. AJ Brown will be back sooner rather than later.
62:34I mean, we're it's week six already and he got hurt in week one.
62:38So like he'll be back after that stretch. Yeah.
62:40So I will revisit it. I think trending in a very positive direction with the Patriots.
62:45I think where I'll land with it, I think they're table worthy.
62:48But the fact that we already took them off and we'd have to use one of our votes to put them back on, we can wait and see.
62:56Right. Like they should be punished a little bit for how those couple of weeks went.
63:00Last one here. The Giants commanders game had our attention because the league wouldn't let it not have our attention.
63:06We didn't have a choice. We're sitting there trying to watch the beginning of Niner.
63:10And I'm not trying to say that Giants commanders isn't worth watching.
63:13Right. It is worth watching. It's an exciting ending.
63:16We'll talk about it. I don't understand how in 2026 I have to watch the end of that game when I have NFL Sunday ticket.
63:23I just I don't understand it. Why? Like what is the possible rationale for that game having to be on my television
63:29when I should be able to watch everything at the same time?
63:32I truly don't get it. It's also the second time this season that has happened.
63:36I'm struggling to remember the other one. But in like week two or three, there was another overtime game that wouldn't end.
63:42And it got in the way of the late window kickoff.
63:45And I just yeah, it's not a commentary on the Giants and the commanders.
63:49I don't understand how when you pay. I would like to watch both of when you pay out the ass to have
63:55the ability to watch everything blacking out the start of the game of the week for anything.
64:00It could have been the best game of the year.
64:03And I'd still be pissed if I couldn't watch the first 10 minutes of a game that I paid for.
64:09The mechanics of it are frustrating on its own.
64:11I just don't understand the thought process behind it.
64:14If you're trying to make Seahawks Niners the national game, what what part of the audience want needs to see the end
64:20of Giants commanders before that game kicks off? Like who around America is like, oh, I must see the end of this
64:26game before I see the start of the next one.
64:29I just don't understand why that's how it works, period.
64:31Let alone how Sunday ticket works. After the decade the Giants have had, I feel like even Giants fans are like, hey,
64:37can I can I at least get like part of my team?
64:41Keep the game on in the local markets. That should be how it is.
64:45Nationally, I don't get it. No, that's not why we're talking about this.
64:48We're talking about this because we have to discuss the end of the Giants commanders game.
64:53Derek, you are the only person that was not in the room.
64:56Me and Dave rewatched the TV copy of it just to get every single beat of how the final couple plays went from your perspective.
65:03What did you see in the final minute or so of the Giants commanders game?
65:07So on one hand, at first I thought like nobody knew that they had a timeout.
65:12Like because it seems like I don't know. It just seemed like a very bizarre situation.
65:16It comes out later that like some of the players, I think Chris Paul was asking the locker room.
65:21They were like, no, we we knew like we talked about it.
65:25We didn't have a timeout. And so you even had Dan Quinn after the game talk about he was like, yeah, in
65:31that situation, we thought we were going to be able to throw the ball away if it doesn't go our way and we can move on.
65:38We can take the kick. And so to me, the more you watch it, it is very clear that like they called
65:44a boot, a boot pass with, by the way, on the play before Rashad White goes down with like 50 seconds left.
65:50So they choose to go slow. 50 seconds. 50 seconds.
65:53They choose to go slow. So this is not like they get down with 20 seconds and they got to go and they panic.
66:00They are choosing to go slow. So that part of it I thought was a little bit weird.
66:05And then they call this like little boot play action pass.
66:08Jaden doesn't really boot out all the way, does not want to kill the play immediately, which he should do if it's covered.
66:14He should just throw it away and we take the kick wherever it's going to be.
66:19And he instead like fiddles around and then tries to run.
66:22By the time he goes down, there's nine seconds left.
66:25And nobody else on the team is thinking that we have to run and kill this because we thought we were already
66:31killing it with the play that we had called.
66:33And so this to me, I mean, coaching, I guess, has to be better about making sure that everybody's on the same
66:39page, that you have to kill this no matter what.
66:42But to me, this is like the quarterback who's he's played a lot of games.
66:46He started like 100 games in his career going back to high school, college, NFL.
66:50I think that he should know better. And I'm a little bit baffled the game ended the way that it did.
66:56What do you think is more indefensible? If Dan Quinn allowed for the clock to run from 55 seconds to 14 seconds
67:02and in that entire time span of running clock did not make it clear to everyone what the game plan was over
67:08the next one to two snaps or that Jaden Daniels is a year three franchise quarterback in the NFL who won the
67:15Heisman in college and has been starting since he was like 14 and like didn't have a beat on the situation just in general.
67:21Like it's a combination because when I went back and rewatched it, the most baffling thing to me is to snap that
67:27Dan Quinn's rationale of why they even ran the play was that we were trying to get more yards.
67:33Fine. It's you. I don't want to be fair is logical because the conditions were a mess.
67:37The conditions are a mess. You don't want to kick a longer field goal than you have to.
67:42We see teams do that all the time. But if that's the thought process, getting it down to 12 seconds, it's not
67:49worth running the play at 12 seconds because at that point, you're almost necessitating that the quarterback dirt it in order for
67:55you to get the field goal off. Because if he completes that ball inbounds to anybody, the game is over.
68:00So why even run the play like you that?
68:03That has to happen. If you're going to run that play, run any sort of play, it can't happen with 12 seconds
68:09left on the play clock that that just can't be how that entire situation unfolds, because now there's almost nothing good that
68:15can happen by snapping the ball with 12 seconds left.
68:18They could have slow played the shit out of this entire situation and still gotten to the line for another play with like 25 plus seconds.
68:25And then again, like get up and clock it or whatever you need to do.
68:29This could have been so easy if you didn't move at a literal snail's pace.
68:33And like to play it that way without a clear understanding of what was going to come next is I don't know.
68:39I don't have a firm reaction to it because it's so crazy.
68:43I don't mean to absolve Jaden Daniels of blame.
68:45He absolutely deserves blame for how that final play was handled.
68:48I just don't understand how that's the way you handle like Derek said.
68:52It's the ball that play. The Rashad right run ends with 50 seconds left.
68:56How you handle that 38 seconds the way that you did.
68:59I just truly don't get it like what the thought is and how you're approaching it that way.
69:04It was kind of shocking to see them go that slow or usually you would go fast immediately and then just like
69:10run a play with 35 seconds on the play clock.
69:13And then you get to choose how the game ends that way.
69:16And so I do agree with that. Like them managing the clock the way that they did was really bizarre.
69:22And then the final play going the way that it did I think was on the quarterback.
69:26So it really is both like them putting him in that position I think is like kind of doesn't really make any sense.
69:33But that was that was one of the worst failings of the entire season like that.
69:37That was truly bizarre. I enjoyed Mike Tomlin's commentary at halftime of the Sunday night game where he said something along the
69:43lines of we're never going to know what actually happened because if it comes out it'll be so bad for the people
69:50involved that you just you got to bury that thing deep where Ashburn wherever their facility is you just gotta you got
69:56to dig a real deep hole out behind the facility for that secret.
69:59All right before we move on let's take our first quick break.
70:03Well Derek said it's one of the worst plays of the entire season.
70:06We've got plenty of other bad shit from week five to get to.
70:10It's why it's part of the reason we didn't wedge that play into what the so let's get to those right now
70:16here's some of the tougher moments outcomes everything from week five.
70:19It's time for what the what the the Jacksonville Jaguars beat the Philadelphia Eagles 19 to 17 today in London.
70:25There is just so much to say about this game.
70:27We'll go from one instance of clock mismanagement to the next one but it wasn't just that it wasn't just the way
70:33the Jags Eagles ended that puts them here. Everything about the Jaguars Eagles game from London today.
70:38What the f***? We can talk about all of it.
70:41This is one of the most striking instances of players overcoming coaching that I can remember the fact that the Jacksonville Jaguars
70:47players were able to win this game was unbelievable to me.
70:50It's all Parker Washington. It's all Parker. It's just Trevor like losing his mind and in the midst of losing his mind
70:56because play calls are coming in false starts like play calls are coming in late false starts are happening.
71:02They can't get lined up and he's just like in the midst of this making insane.
71:06He's like Parker Washington will bail me out and guess what?
71:09He was right. Parker Washington will bail you out and he makes an incredible play.
71:13And then obviously, you know, it goes down to they get the situation where the Eagles think they win the game with
71:19the field goal and then the Jags return the kick to like the 40 ish.
71:24And then that gives them an incredible chance to make a field goal, which like that is another instance of players like
71:30the fact that I think the Jaguars coaching kind of put them in a position where the game should have been lost like that.
71:36And then they return the kick and win it anyway.
71:39This I was actually I was watching this game with my girlfriend in the morning because it's the only game on and
71:45I was like they deserve to lose this game because they should have to think about what they've done.
71:51They should have to consider what has happened here.
71:53And now they will still do that. Obviously, NFL teams do that.
71:56But the fact that they get away with it with a win.
72:00I was like that is insane that they get away with that to have to pull it out of the fire the
72:06way that they did against an Eagles team where they're decimated with injuries on offense like absolutely decimated Jonathan Grenard doesn't play in this game.
72:13J. Links on gets hurt in the middle of this game like the idea that that your players needed to overcome the
72:19situation that you put them in for you to win this game against an Eagles team that walked in limping the way that they did.
72:26It's they deserve to learn. They deserve to lose this game.
72:29And I really hope they do spend a decent amount of time reflecting on what this thing looked like.
72:34Derek said something that triggered a thought in my brain.
72:37Like Trevor Lawrence is the most happy-go-lucky like sunshine from Remember the Titans.
72:41Just like not bothered by anything guy. You talking about the delay game?
72:44Have you ever seen him that pissed off? I've never seen him.
72:48He does not do that. He does not do that.
72:50I've never seen him like that. That stretch with the delays of game is just there.
72:55I had two thoughts in that moment. One, indefensible.
72:57The idea that you can get down to the one-yard line and then have that drive go the way that it did is indefensible.
73:04The other one, I was talking to Dave about this as soon as I got into the office today.
73:09The Jags need to cut this shit out with all the London games.
73:13You, if you, when you're a 6-11 also ran in the AFC South and you're like some NFL novelty, fine, play them all over there.
73:20I don't give a shit. When you're a team that's trying to win the Super Bowl, the idea that you're going to
73:26give away a home game and play two London games in a row and allow the Eagles to play essentially a home
73:32game in London when you're trying to be one of the best teams in the league.
73:37Somebody needs to have a conversation with somebody. Like there is no way the cultivation of the British fan base is worth
73:43handing away this home game to go play the Eagles.
73:45You know who they play in London next week?
73:48Houston. So they're giving up a home division game to stay over there and do this.
73:52I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it.
73:55Do they have to? They hand away two home games to do this?
73:59I looked at their schedule. They play at Houston in December.
74:02So like the Houston home game is later in the year.
74:05So this is the Jacksonville home game in that series and they're playing it in London.
74:09I think they're playing that one at Wembley. So it's a different stadium if that matters to you at all.
74:15Not really. My other cut the shit with the Jaguars, by the way, I think at least part of their like, because
74:21they really only have these issues now when they get into the red zone or get inside the 10.
74:26And the thing is, they're a good like passing red zone team when the ball is outside of the 10 yard line.
74:32Like I think that they can throw into those windows really well.
74:36When they get inside the five and passing is harder generally for any offense, especially if you don't have it just a
74:42Mike Evans, we can throw it up to him and he'll win.
74:45You need to be able to run the ball a little bit better.
74:49All of their stuff where they try to get inside the five is weird shit.
74:53They go into Wildcat. They bring out Jumbo. They get into funky formations.
74:57And so I think especially in this game where I think that they were scrambling a little bit and getting into like
75:03thirds and fourth downs with some of that stuff.
75:05They were just like kind of scrambling with what they really wanted to call and what they really wanted to do in some of those situations.
75:12And like you see it in the numbers like before today, they were nine of 11 scoring in the red zone.
75:18And I think most of those were touchdowns. They were over three on touchdowns in the red zone today.
75:24And they only scored once. It was it was just an all time, like really stupid performance for this coaching staff and team.
75:30The jet sweep to Tootin is an all timer.
75:33Dude, it's an all timer. And I'm not saying it's the wrong call.
75:36Like I think that stretching my wife, we all we all watch this game like wait after waking up and having coffee on the couch.
75:43And so our yes, of course. In a way they're not always having to explain why this game is so dumb.
75:49I'm trying to explain to her why it's not the dumbest thing in the world to like run a jet sweep on the goal line.
75:56The field shrinks vertically. So you have to stretch horizontally.
75:59Sometimes that stuff can work. But the details of that play to motion Chris Rodriguez out of the backfield.
76:04So now you're giving no threat of being able to run the ball downhill whatsoever.
76:08And you're asking Chris Rodriguez, a player who has never, I'm assuming in a game, ever blocked a player in space in
76:14a way you would ask a wide receiver to do it is having to block Zach Bond on that play in that moment.
76:21You're just asking that thing to get absolutely nuked.
76:23I just I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that was the choice.
76:27You know, it took my breath away when I watched that again is and if it works and you get a block
76:33on the edge, it looks fine and all as well.
76:36But that ball was snapped on the one and facial toot and took it at the six.
76:40Even it was an under it's an under center play.
76:43And yet it's designed so the back gets it at the six yard line on fourth and a foot.
76:48And I just I would I would prefer to not do it that way.
76:52And like they had a they ran the speed option like three plays before that.
76:57And I was going to mention that it was the same drive.
77:00It was that was sick, which one thing that struck me to watch in that one, though, it took more of an effort from tootin than the blocking.
77:08God, I. I so the other thing I wanted to mention, too, and I remember noticing this in the moment before the
77:14freak out at the end of the game, they screwed shit up with the clock in the in the before halftime drive
77:20to like they almost incurred to delay of game penalties on that drive.
77:23And I remember thinking we're cutting it kind of loose.
77:26We're cutting it kind of close here, fellas. Like, what the hell is going on?
77:30And like when Aaron Rodgers is doing that shit in his prime and he's running the clock all the way down on purpose, it's different.
77:37Like you could tell how manic this was like you could tell how Trevor was like doing this.
77:42He's like, hurry up, get into your motion so I can snap this.
77:46And it was incessant. I feel like it happened seven times in this game and it burned them like three times.
77:52Let's not let the Eagles escape this without a little bit of scorn.
77:55I do think their performance overall was admirable. Like the fact that they were in this game, the fact that they almost
78:02won this game, the half that Jalen Carter had, there are not that many defensive players in the NFL that are capable of having that sort of half.
78:09He was insane. Just blowing up plays all over the place.
78:12I mean, what he did to those guards in both the run and pass game over the first half was ridiculous.
78:18The Eagles had a chance to win this game.
78:21They're the two big mistakes that are worth digging into.
78:24One, Makai Lemon going out of bounds on that completion.
78:26If that doesn't happen, the game is probably over.
78:29You kick that field goal with zero seconds left, but you allow the Jacks to save one of those timeouts.
78:34And then we've had a lot of end of game kicking situations recently.
78:38I don't think this was the most egregious mistake.
78:41I think going out of bounds was, but this is different than the Ravens situation where we want the Ravens Cowboys game
78:47where you want Dallas to put the ball and play there because the Ravens had a timeout left.
78:52And so you're trying to tick down as much time as you possibly can.
78:56The Jags did not have a timeout left. And so really the only big play you can make in the middle of
79:02the field while stopping the clock is the kickoff return.
79:04And so by not kicking that thing out of the back of the end zone, I absolutely think you gave the Jags
79:11the best chance to win that game. And so multiple situational mistakes from the Eagles with the game on the line.
79:16And Nick Sirianni, to his credit, took the blame for that.
79:19But that's one of those things where like, well, this is literally your job.
79:23These are the things that you are in charge of because you're not in charge of anything else.
79:28Derek, what irks you more? I think that I think the kickoff decision irks me more than Lemon going out of bounds, even though you're right.
79:36Like that could have allowed you to just kick and walk off.
79:39But that's one of those things where like I something has all the one thing you cannot do to the offense, like to the huddle.
79:46But like as that drive even starts or as that sequence starts, like the one thing no one can do is go out of bounds.
79:53It's the one thing that no one can do.
79:55And like, I guess because he's a rookie, you give him a little bit more grace for stuff like that.
80:01But I don't know, man, you can't go out of bounds.
80:04Like, you know, in a situation, you are not allowed to do that.
80:08I do think the kicking one is frustrating, though, because like you had time to think about it.
80:13Like sometimes with these stuff that happens in the moment, like you're just going to kind of like your brain's going to turn off for a moment.
80:20You're just not going to do the right thing, especially if you're in a rookie first time in that situation.
80:26When you're going into the kickoff and you have time to sit there and think after the score happens, OK, we have
80:32a minute to breathe, all that stuff. And then you still kind of land where you did.
80:37That to me is. I don't I don't know about worse, but I think it's like harder.
80:41It's harder to excuse because you had as much time to think about it as you did.
80:46The last thing that's worth mentioning from this game, just in terms of long term outlook, Anton Harrison left this game on a cart.
80:53And it doesn't I assume it doesn't look good.
80:55I didn't hear much about the injury postgame, but to leave on a cart after a non contact injury.
81:00I was going to say the nature of the injury didn't make me feel good.
81:05And one of the things we talked about with the Jags over the first month, why would this thing feel different?
81:10Why did they feel more potent? Why were they how did they answer some of the questions we had about them coming into the season?
81:17Their play up front and in part him taking the step that he was taking was part of that.
81:23And so this is a step in the wrong direction this entire game.
81:26What you saw from the guards, what you saw from Ezra Cleveland specifically, and then to potentially lose Harrison for an extended
81:32amount of time is a really tough one. I do want to say one more time, like and they bungled it at
81:39the end and they were not particularly good. But such a great example of like even even the shittiest teams in the
81:45NFL are loaded with professional football players and coaches who are really good at scheming shit up for a game.
81:50The Eagles were eight and a half point underdogs in this game.
81:54And like, you know, the it makes sense that the narrative with Lane Johnson retiring and the Juergens trade, it's easy to
82:00just be like, well, they're just going to get wiped off the field.
82:03And I thought Jacksonville would win this game comfortably.
82:06But. These are really high level athletes and coaches putting this shit together.
82:09And I even though the end of the game was just kind of a disaster, I thought it was really admirable the
82:16way the Eagles bowed up in this game. I totally agree.
82:19I mean, the defense, the difference, the defense was a little bit disappointing over the first month in part because the pass rush just hadn't been very good.
82:26And so for them to turn up the heat pass rush rise the way that they did Carter specifically, but also, I
82:33mean, Nolan Smith had a couple of moments. Bond had a pressure on a like a designed like big stunt on a five man pressure.
82:39Like they they affected the game up front more than they have recently.
82:43And I think that's the formula for them to stay relevant over the course of the rest of the year.
82:49If the defense can play like that and the front can play like that and you can just try to piece together the offense.
82:55I think that's how they stay annoying and honestly makes it all the more tragic that they had taken a game from
83:01a team that was playing like a Super Bowl contender and let it slip.
83:05I just thought it wasn't the best game from the Jags.
83:08The first half from the Jags defense. I just thought it wasn't the best cold game.
83:13Like both of the big Cooper touchdown and then the big Wicks completion on those touchdown drives.
83:18They're playing one robber on both of those plays against this team.
83:21Why? Why? Like, why are you ever giving this quarterback man coverage right now?
83:25Why? There's no reason. You're taking away the middle of the field while giving them one on ones like that's exactly what they want.
83:31And so the Jags have been an awesome man coverage team this season.
83:35But to do and then even later in the game, they weren't they when they played man, it wasn't Robert.
83:41And so either if you're going to play man pressure, if you're not going to play man, at least try to have
83:47those droppers somewhere else rather than have a guy drop the safety dropping down from the middle of the field.
83:52It didn't make sense to me. And so those are the two biggest pass plays the Eagles had in the first half were against those looks.
84:00And Campanile typically is awesome and like really, really good.
84:02But that first half was just kind of uncharacteristically off when it came to having your finger on the pulse of what that offense is trying to do.
84:10Yeah. What are you trying to rob against this quarterback?
84:13Exactly. He's not going to throw that area of the field anyway.
84:16Who cares? This isn't Jimmy, right? Like we're not that is not the coverage you should be playing against Jalen Hurst.
84:22And then they did pay for it a couple of different times.
84:25All right. Let's keep rolling here. I don't need a preamble here.
84:29Chargers Broncos. What the f***? Everybody involved. I don't have that much to say about this game.
84:34Other than the fact that it was gross. Just unbelievably bad.
84:37Like unbelievably bad. Going back and rewatching it, I regret the fact that I did.
84:41We had to talk about it because it was so ugly.
84:44And because the Broncos just continue to be this ugly.
84:47But I'm not sure as I spin back through games on a Sunday night, there has been a more disheartening review all
84:53season than going back and watching this Broncos-Chargers game from today.
84:56What did you say? I think I agree. When Robert was rewatching some clips from this game, I would just hear periodic like grumbles of like, oh, Jesus.
85:04It was so bad. And that could be for either team.
85:07Oh, no. Yeah. It could be for either team.
85:09The one that broke me, there were a couple.
85:12I mean, we can just say this right now.
85:14Justin Herbert's brain is just cooked. Oh, completely. I mean, just cooked.
85:17I mean, when you watch. Which, and it happened again over the course of the game because I thought in the first half, he was like fine.
85:25Like he made some pretty decent throws. He was fine under pressure.
85:28Obviously, some other guys are making drops and stuff like that.
85:31By the second half, and especially like the final interception he throws where they're in this like mugged up pressure.
85:37Brandon Jones is a safety on the line of scrimmage as the end man.
85:41And it's like there's never a thought in Justin Herbert's mind that Brandon Jones could just drop off and play coverage.
85:47And he just like throws the interception right at him.
85:49I mean, he's like undercutting that route. And he's like never thinks that he could drop.
85:54I'm like, what do you mean? Everyone in the NFL is doing these seven man fronts where they drop out.
85:59Like there's a huge chance that he could drop out there.
86:03Derek, you said on the hangover about the Chargers-Seahawks game, his picks in that game were indefensible.
86:07And this is worse than that. Yeah, it's just as bad.
86:10It's just as bad. I mean, and that, so when they fail the quarterback sneak in the fourth quarter, after that is
86:16when the wheels just completely fall off. He has the sack fumble when the game is tied.
86:21The game is tied when that sack fumble happens.
86:24Zach Allen wins immediately against the amount of, the sheer amount of f*** ups by this team when they're pulling a player is just mind boggling.
86:31And so they're trying to run like a dash protection with the guard pulling.
86:35Zach Allen crosses the face of Jake Slaughter immediately, torpedoes the play.
86:38And instead of just taking the sack, while he's falling down, Herbert tries to get rid of it, gives the ball back
86:44to the Broncos and essentially gives them the game.
86:47And then right before the interception, he does it again.
86:50He does it again. And so you just feel his brain at this point is like putting like a fried egg in a skillet.
86:56Like you just feel it cooking over the course of the game.
87:00And that's exactly what happened again in this thing.
87:02It's so bad. He's broken. He makes the bad plays worse now.
87:05Which like that is always the sign of like, oh, this guy is not seeing it feeling.
87:10Because that's what that's what when CJ Stroud was playing really poorly at the end of last year.
87:15It was not that he was necessarily creating his own bad plays.
87:18It was that as soon as something went wrong, he was turning that up to a 10.
87:23And that is, I think, what you're feeling a lot right now from Justin Herbert.
87:27He again, the fourth quarter was so, so bad from him.
87:30But when you watch the Chargers offense over this entire game, it's just unwatchable.
87:34And I guess we can understand how that happens.
87:37You're playing with zero of your day one starting offensive linemen at this point.
87:41I guess Cole Strange. You have one. You have one of the guys you were trying to go into the season with as a starter.
87:48Who has been terrible anyway. And you say, Cole Strange who everybody was terrified that he was starting.
87:53You have no NFL receivers or offensive linemen, essentially, at this stage.
87:56And so you can understand how that happens, even if agreed.
87:59The quarterback is making bad plays worse, even if the circumstances are that bad.
88:03The Chargers had 11 run stuffs in this game, okay?
88:06That is tied for the second most in a game in the past three seasons.
88:10The Steelers had one with 13 in 2024. The Chargers had 11 of them in this game.
88:15Their offense is just non-functional at this point. And the quarterback, again, as he cooks over the course of the game every
88:21single week, seemingly, is compounding it later in the games.
88:24But the Broncos don't have an excuse. The Broncos have NFL players still.
88:27They have a lot of NFL players. And this game was funny, too, because I thought, I mean, I don't know if
88:33I thought this, but, you know, Sean Payton is taking over the play calling in.
88:37In theory, it's supposed to look a little bit different.
88:40Maybe they'll call this stuff that Bo really likes.
88:43All this stuff. All the good plays. Yeah, all the good plays.
88:46There were still so many moments where they were terrified to let him play quarterback.
88:50Like, there was a third and seven around midfield.
88:53I think it was a third and seven. Yeah, on the first drive.
88:56And it's there on the 50-yard line. It's third and seven.
88:59And they run like a little stick return concept where he runs like the pivot on the stick route.
89:05And they get like four yards. And it's like, OK, if we plan on going for it on fourth and three or whatever, that's a perfectly acceptable call.
89:12And they just don't do that. And they decide to punt.
89:16And I'm like, well, then why are we calling a play that's not going to get us that when you know he's
89:22just going to throw the four-yard route anyway? You had that.
89:25They had, I think, on what, the two-yard line at the very end of the game.
89:29They decide to just kick a field goal instead of trying to, the game was tied.
89:34It was 20-20. And they could go up, I think, 23-20 instead of 27-20 or at least try to.
89:39But I'm like, I don't know, man. I would want to try to put the game away there.
89:44I know you believe that the other guy's spiraling.
89:46But like, just a lot of moments where they were, it didn't look, the offense didn't look different or better is what I would say.
89:53The third and seven play is one of them, is one of the ones I wrote down as I was slowly losing
90:00my mind as I was rewatching this. The play that broke me, the third and nine give up handoff to Betty.
90:05You are an NFL team. To hand the ball off on third and nine, I don't care what the dynamics of the game are.
90:12I don't care how bad the other team is playing.
90:15It's not third and 20. It was third and nine.
90:18And they handed the ball off. They are treating anything like above third and five as a, ah, we'll get him next time.
90:24And like, how do you run an offense like that?
90:27Even if you're a great offense, you're going to run into five, third and five pluses a game.
90:32That's just the way the sport goes. Like they are calling an offense.
90:35Like they don't believe they can make any plays that are difficult.
90:39It's insane to me. My favorite sequence was the Marvin Mims 26 yard punt return that set them up.
90:44I think they were on the plus 27. Bo Nix throws incomplete, checks down to Dobbins on second down, throws incomplete, and
90:50then Will Lutz misses a 42 yard field goal.
90:53I remember this too, because I wasn't like only watching this game, obviously, right?
90:57And so I see them get the ball like on the 27 yard line.
91:00And then I'm like kind of watching other games.
91:03I'm just like, you know, kind of mindlessly being like, oh, incomplete, whatever.
91:07And then I come to the end of the drive and the field goal teams out there, I'm like, how the hell
91:13are they settling for three when you get the ball already inside the 30?
91:17Like it's especially to like, think about how many other teams, especially like this week, the Niners, every short field, they get instant touchdown.
91:23And it's just like so many other teams can do this.
91:26And they just like could not figure it out.
91:29When that happened, we were, Robert and I were watching the two main games, the late games together.
91:34And like Mims got daylight and it looked like he had a chance to score and it fizzled out.
91:39And when he got tackled, I was just like, you know, I don't think they're going to get points out of this.
91:45I didn't expect to be correct, but. Cowboys were at the table and it was annoying me.
91:50Oh, I thought you were taking the Broncos off the table.
91:53It's why I looked at it to remind myself that the Broncos are there.
91:57This might be, we should just cut the table down to eight teams now.
92:01Honestly. We don't, we shouldn't wait till mid season.
92:03We don't, there aren't 10 deserving teams to be there.
92:06There's not enough already. The Broncos are three and two, by the way, after today, three, the three and two Denver Broncos.
92:12Let's see what Thursday night against Seattle looks like.
92:15Let's get to our last one here. Oh, good God.
92:17The Chicago bears get absolutely worked by the green Bay Packers today as road favorites with their backup quarterback.
92:23Everything about that performance from the bears. And we'll touch on all of it.
92:27What the was that? You know what? I'm just going to say it.
92:30It's nothing personal against the bears. I'll tell you what the that was.
92:34That's what it's supposed to look like when you play a backup quarterback on the road in the NFL.
92:39And for the briefest of moments, maybe I allowed myself to believe that Ben Johnson really was that magical that they could
92:45just keep winning games with backup quarterbacks. And before the first quarter was even over, I was like, okay, you know what?
92:51It's nice to know that there's a limit. And even Ben Johnson can get the shit kicked out of him when he doesn't have his quarterback.
92:59And guess what? But it looks a lot worse when you get the shit kicked out of you after you've talked shit incessantly for the last year.
93:06This is the downside of approaching it this way.
93:09And you think the Packers didn't care? Like, listen to Zaire Franklin talk about Luther Burden after that game in the locker room.
93:15Justifiably so. When you handle this the way that the Bears have handled it consistently over the last year, and this is
93:21what happens to you, you deserve every single bit of it.
93:24I just, I thought that this was the team the Packers are supposed to be, man.
93:29Like, they looked, obviously there are some moments of, like, disappointed by the Bears in this game.
93:33Like, I thought Dennis Allen kind of got undressed in this game by Matt LaFleur.
93:38But like, that was why the first four weeks of the season were so frustrating.
93:42It's like, we know that Matt LaFleur can do this.
93:45We know that Jordan Love can make those throws down the field.
93:48And so the fact that they really tapped into all that stuff in this game and they were able to access that,
93:54I was just like, it, I kind of felt a little bit alive getting to watch Jordan Love play quarterback like that again.
94:00I will say the part that, like, surprised me a little bit from the Packers was, I thought their front on defense looked good.
94:07And I thought their plan on defense in a lot of ways was really, really impressive.
94:12Like, I thought you saw moments from Danny Deny Sutton.
94:14I thought some of the other defensive tackles played pretty well in this game.
94:18And then I just thought some of the coverage stuff that they were doing or stuff to, like, keep Bayesian in the pocket.
94:25Like, there was a sequence inside the two minute.
94:27Bears had the ball in the 15 and they have, like, a nub tight end to the left-hand side.
94:32And Brandon Cisse is the corner over there. And the tight end stays in to protect.
94:37And Cisse just immediately goes. Bayesian tries to step up against other pressure and Cisse is just there to kill it.
94:43And it's a sack. And so them just, like, having little adjustments like that.
94:47And then there was another play where one of, it wasn't an interception, but Bayesian tried to throw an interception late in
94:53the third, where Evan Williams is, like, running with emotion.
94:55And then they just play cover three. And Bayesian's like, well, I think I'm getting manned.
95:00I'm just going to throw to my tight end over the middle.
95:03And he tries very hard to throw one of his interceptions of the day.
95:07And so I just thought their plan was really impressive.
95:10And then the front was, that was the best game I think that they've played all season.
95:15That play you're talking about where Cisse adds on, that to me was one of the most frustrating.
95:20Like, Burden is wide open. He's wide open. And that ball just doesn't get thrown.
95:24And I think this is partially a, I think you're right.
95:27I think this is partially a, the Bears getting just outman, like, outgunned coaching-wise, I think on both sides of the ball this entire game.
95:34I think you felt the backup quarterback, though. On top of the, them being in bad situations the entire day, there are
95:40four or five moments, that being one of them, where, like, that's on the quarterback.
95:44Some of the decisions are on the quarterback. That lack of a decision is on the quarterback.
95:49And I got, I'm not trying to explain away or absolve blame for the coaching staff.
95:53They deserve a lot of it. We can dig into that.
95:56But you really felt the fact that the backup quarterback was playing in this game.
96:01That doesn't impact the way the defense played. That's, that's, that's the part of this.
96:05Like, people are, anyone who's trying to explain this away and be like, oh, the backup quarterback was in, what would you expect?
96:11That doesn't explain what happened to the Bears defense in this game and what the Packers offense did and how they approached this thing.
96:18That's what I want to focus on. Because I'm sorry, I just, I don't care that much about what Tyson Bajan did.
96:24He wasn't ready for the moment. I'm not terribly surprised by that, but this was, this was one of the most disrespectful game plans.
96:31So disrespectful. That I've seen. And you know, Matt LaFleur has, he's done everything in his power to downplay the rivalry and
96:37he certainly doesn't play into it as much as Ben Johnson does publicly.
96:40I feel like he let the game plan do the talking for him.
96:44He sure did. In this instance. So I just want to share a few stats that I really loved.
96:49Derek, I told Robert this one already, but I'll share it with you.
96:53Jordan Love threw 31 passes on Sunday. 18 of them traveled 10 air yards or less.
96:57So 18 of 31 attempts he's throwing to the sticks or shorter.
97:01Every other attempt went 20 plus yards downfield. He did not throw an intermediate ball in this game.
97:06And of course he was six of eight for what?
97:08Like 250 air yards, which shout out to Alex, our friend from the discord.
97:12I saw you post this and I double checked it myself.
97:15Jordan Love had more air yards or more yards on throws of 20 plus air yards, 258 than the Chicago bears had yards period in this game.
97:23Like the, the absolute nut. Don't give a shit.
97:25Chucking it downfield was kind of awe inspiring. Like you just don't see it in an NFL game very often where the Packers were like, okay, watch this.
97:33Like the sequence, I think it was just before halftime where they just threw three bombs to the end zone.
97:39And like one of them got broken up. One of them got waved off by illegal hands to the face.
97:44And then they threw a third one to Watson for a touchdown.
97:48The, the absolute audacity to just three times in a row be like, I bet you won't do it this time and be right about it.
97:55Just awe inspiring levels of pettiness by the Packers.
97:57I loved it. The bear, the defense has had no answers.
98:00Like just absolutely no answers. The, the, what's really jumped out to me.
98:04And we had, he had one really good. I'm, I'm, this may be, we're an hour and 40 minutes into this.
98:10The half that Dennis Allen had against Matt LaFleur in the second half of that playoff game was really good.
98:15Other than that, some of the bears worst defensive moments over the last two years have come against this team.
98:21And it's in large part because their ability to snuff out pressures from the bears defense.
98:25No other team does this to them. A couple of those huge moments, the first Watson touchdown.
98:30And then I think the 31 yard completion of Watson right before on that drive, you're talking about where it ends with
98:36the touchdown to the third and 22. The bears run like a double corner cat where both corners are coming off and they're playing cover two behind it.
98:44It's hilarious. How not close those pressures are to getting home.
98:47Like it's hilarious. How bad those things look in real time.
98:50And that reminds me of the cover zero they ran last year that Watson scored a touchdown on at Lambeau.
98:56Like they, the, the Packers ability to just punk the blitzes that this team sends with their past protection plan has been
99:02a consistent theme over the last two years. And I think the, both of those plays today where they sent both the
99:08corners and it didn't matter might be the most egregious examples that we've seen.
99:12It's that. Catch on like a deep corner out in this game.
99:15And then what Christian Watson can do down the field.
99:18Like it's the perfect, they had the perfect team to do the thing that they wanted to do against this Bears team.
99:24The Packers performance running the ball wasn't particularly noteworthy, but I would like to shout out Marshawn Lloyd dump trucking Jalen Johnson at the goal line.
99:31There's been a lot of dump trucking Jalen Johnson going on recently.
99:35Quite a lot. I, I have to assume. And it's, it's what it's week five against a backup quarterback.
99:40I doubt many Packers fans give a shit. I bet this was very satisfying for them.
99:44It should be very satisfying to them. It absolutely should be.
99:48And I think it's a reminder that two weeks ago when they played Atlanta, it felt like this thing might be slipping away from them.
99:54And I think that to me is one of the biggest takeaways from this game is that the Bears front isn't good.
100:01We know that. But the fact that this offensive line is capable of playing well enough to give their quarterback and these receivers a chance.
100:08If that's going to be the case for most of the season, this team is dangerous enough.
100:12I don't know how dangerous they are, but it's a, to me, it's a binary thing.
100:17Is the offensive line going to be good enough to give the quarterback a chance?
100:21If the answer to that is yes, then this team can do this.
100:25If the, like, if the offensive line can continue to look somewhat serviceable and Micah Parsons is just looming out there as
100:31a presence that's going to be injected into, by the way, a defense that is playing better than you.
100:36Again, like, just leave the defense for dead after the Atlanta game.
100:39Well, I mean, leave everything about that team for dead after the Atlanta game.
100:43And I don't know if Jalen Daniels' first career start and Tyson Bajan is enough to get you really excited.
100:49But again, you will eventually be adding one of the best defenders in the league back into this thing at some point.
100:55And I remember saying in August, I won't be surprised if I feel a hell of a lot better about the Packers
101:01in November than I do in September and October.
101:03I don't know if that's true yet, but it's certainly in the back of my mind.
101:08I just thought that the passing game would have a real, really high gear to it this year.
101:13Like, I thought the passing game overall would have an incredibly high ceiling based on the quality of the quarterback, the quality
101:19of the pass catchers, how explosive I thought they might be.
101:22And the concern was that the offensive line wouldn't give us a chance to see that.
101:27And it's not a good group by any stretch.
101:29And I think they will have their issues over the course of the year.
101:33But again, if they're going to clear enough of a bar to make this thing functional, I think even if it doesn't
101:39look like this again, I think we're going to see enough games from Jordan Love and from this group of receivers that
101:45the Packers are going to be a relevant team.
101:48And it just didn't feel like that two weeks ago.
101:50It felt like this thing was kind of slipping through their fingers.
101:54All right, before we move on, we're going to take one more quick break.
101:58All right, before we get out of here, let's talk about what made us feel romantic about football in week five.
102:04I mean, this thing was a thing of beauty.
102:06I kind of felt this way about Parker Washington, too, so far this year, where you have a guy that really flashes
102:12and has some moments, is kind of a role player, rotational piece.
102:15And it's like, man, I think that guy's got something to him.
102:19And then something changes, either his role changes, how much he's featured changes.
102:22And you're like, oh, yeah, that guy's just awesome.
102:25That's how I feel about Jalen Warren. And the way that Jalen Warren has played so far this season and the way that Jalen Warren played today.
102:32So Jalen Warren has 15 carries for 101 yards today.
102:35He has six catches for 87. A lot of that coming on two big plays.
102:39But he's the leading rusher for the Steelers in this game.
102:42He's the leading receiver for the Steelers in this game.
102:45And if you go into some of the numbers from this year, I was just curious about it.
102:50So I was digging into it. Per NextGen, 57.4% of Jalen Warren's runs have gone over expectations this year.
102:56He's the only player in the league above 50%.
102:58He's second in the league in force miss tackle rate behind Kenneth Walker.
103:0228.6% of his runs have gone for first downs.
103:04That is behind Jameer Gibbs, James Cook, the Robinsons in Atlanta, Kyron Williams and Kenneth Walker.
103:09Only Bajon and Kevin and Kenneth Walker have more yards after contact per rush than Jalen Warren.
103:13He's just been one of the best running backs in the league this year per touch, full stop.
103:18And very quickly has transformed into like the identity of the Pittsburgh Steelers offense justifiably.
103:23And for a guy who I think you could get excited about some of the flashes you'd seen over the last couple
103:29years, but was signed an extension this year for like $5 million a year.
103:33Like this was not guaranteed. We were wondering what it was going to look like between him and Rico Dowdle coming into the season.
103:39And so Jalen Warren developing into this type of player over the first five weeks of the year.
103:44That makes me feel romantic about football. Even as somebody who's admired Jalen Warren's game for a while, it's still very much like a sort of a hipster.
103:52Like, oh, like you're not talking enough about Jalen Warren.
103:55He's an outright star at this point. Like if he wasn't already a game like today puts him on the radar in a way that is undeniable.
104:02And I appreciate what a I appreciate Aaron Rodgers saying like, I don't know why more people don't talk about this guy, which I completely agree.
104:10And the other thing I love, he called Jalen Warren, which he was just incredibly praised him effusively after this went against the Colts, as you might expect.
104:17But he said he's slippery, which I think is a great way to describe his play style.
104:22But the thing I love, he is an incredibly slippery player.
104:25And it's easy to associate that word with a guy who's 5'8", 204.
104:29That's his draft list, his listed draft measurements, which is probably why he went undrafted.
104:33Undrafted. He's so much more physical than 5'8", 204 would imply.
104:36He runs through tackles. That's what makes him slippery.
104:38It's his physicality while being like an outlier size wise is it's really, really cool to watch.
104:43He's the only player in the offense who is reliable and explosive.
104:47Like DK Metcalf can kind of be explosive at times, but he's not reliable in how he's doing that.
104:52Pat Friermuth and some of the other guys are like kind of reliable, but they're not really explosive.
104:57He gives them both. And also the other thing that was like really how Jalen Warren got on the field early on as an undrafted guy.
105:04He's like one of the best backs in the league at pass protection.
105:08And like you that's where you see a lot of the physicality come through.
105:12And so the fact that like it's cool that he like got on the field early on largely because of that and
105:18how now has become their feature back and has like Dave said.
105:21Aaron Rodgers spent like his entire postgame interview like all four minutes just being like I think Jalen I think the world of Jalen Warren.
105:28We should get him the ball more. He's the best teammate I've ever played with.
105:32He's so slippery like we got to do everything we can to get 30 the ball like it was.
105:37He when Aaron Rodgers likes you and what your talent brings to the offense.
105:41You will continue to get the ball more so good sign for him for the following 12 games of the season.
105:47I'll say that heinous tackling by the Colts on both of his touchdowns.
105:51Of course, but well the the problem for them the cut he makes on the touchdown run again.
105:56That's one of those examples where because of the cut he makes he's leaving.
106:00He's the linebacker has just less of a chance on that play.
106:03He runs through an arm tackle because of the cut he makes and that's the explosiveness that you see my favorite play of the day from him.
106:11He is a it was a nine yard run from the gun and the jump cut he makes in the backfield.
106:16He essentially jumps like three gaps over like he's just such a fun player to watch right now.
106:21And so it's an offense that I think we were wondering how exciting and enjoyable they would be this season.
106:27And Jalen Warren has made the Steelers offense worth watching to me.
106:30All right. That is all we've got from week five in the NFL quick reminder.
106:34Look at Katie's just on it. She knows I'm going back to the hangover games at the end.
106:39She's flashing the graphic on the screen because she knows I won't remember them an hour and 45 minutes into the show.
106:46That's good producing right there. Ravens Falcons Bengals Dolphins Titans Texans including some Marvin Harrison Jr.
106:50trade talk. That will be what we hit tomorrow.
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