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2:04All right, what's up everybody? And welcome back. We've got two more off-season editions left of Fantasy Football Weekly.
2:11It's approaching. Kickoff is nigh. Welcome. It's your friend and faithful narrator, John Laghezza.
2:16Same handle over on the socials. Hit me up with any questions or comments as always.
2:22My friend and yours, Mr. Jake Trowbridge. Jake, how are you doing as we hit the 11th hour, friend?
2:29I'd be doing so much better if I just stayed off of social media, turned off updates about the NFL on my phone.
2:37If I just buried my head in the sand from now until the start of week one, John, I'd be on cloud nine.
2:45I have the burden of knowledge about some of these players, which, of course, we're going to talk about.
2:52Yeah, knowledge is not always power when there's maybe a bit too much of it and it's unfiltered, right?
2:59I think that's really it. It's this tsunami of unvetted information and then the instant gratification of the world as it kind of is today, right?
3:08Three o'clock in the afternoon, the world's worried about Jamar Chase, quarter to four, not that big of a deal.
3:16Everyone is going to remember where they were when the Aston Genty news hit.
3:21One of the players we'll talk about today, we're going to do, I don't know, what are we doing?
3:27This is a what do we do episode, the choose your own adventure episode.
3:33Because again, things are just moving so fast that we may have had priors and takes that are now shifting because like the grains of time, right?
3:42Things are changing ever so second to one constant in this life.
3:47All right. So before we get too philosophical, let's start at the very, very, very top of boards.
3:53It's Huka Nakua, wide receiver two, ADP five. I had to look this up.
3:58He's suffering from a psoas. I don't know what that was.
4:02It's like a core muscle. He's also just had a lot of weird off field stuff going on.
4:09I think you still take him at wide receiver two because the Rams do this.
4:14They rest everybody. They've never really been interested in showing their hand.
4:18So I don't feel great about the situation, but this also feels like a classic spot of he goes out week one, goes 11 for 137 and two.
4:28And we were all like, oh yeah, Huka Nakua and Matthew Stafford, very good at football.
4:34Yeah. I think, well, first of all, maybe it's the week one questionables.
4:39Maybe that's what we're trying to get to the heart of is how comfortable do you feel drafting and then playing these guys in week one?
4:48And with Puka, especially, you make a very good point.
4:52I think you have to assess each of these situations based on what do their coaches tend to do?
4:59What's their coach speak level like? How full of BS are they?
5:03How reliable are they? And how do they actually sort through these injuries?
5:08With Puka, though, we are on opposing sides of the first round draft quality.
5:13I think of Puka. I said on the Fantasy Life LG show a couple of weeks ago that I thought Nakua's ADP
5:21was just, it was way too high for me considering not only this injury, but as you mentioned, all the other off the field stuff.
5:30And I always have that question of, okay, he's injured now.
5:34Could also something happen midway through the season where he's missing even more time.
5:39So I said back then that I would rather draft Amon Ross St.
5:43Brown above Puka Nakua. And I actually stand by that even firmer now, John.
5:48I'm just, I'm not going to have Nakua because you have to draft him so early.
5:54Yeah, I think that's actually a hot take. Like, I don't think it's crazy because Amon Ross is just so sturdy.
6:02And I think almost he gets a bad rap for being like a slot merchant type where he wins at all levels.
6:10He's very much ingrained into the end zone plan.
6:13Detroit might score a record amount of points this year.
6:16I'm worried the defense isn't good. They're on the fast track.
6:20You got a lot of, there are a lot of green check emojis next to Amon Ross.
6:27Puka. I'm not going to share the pessimism with Puka.
6:30Although I've been hearing people call it this year an idiot tax.
6:34Just meaning like maybe dinging guys, even if it's like three, four or 5%, a quarter here, a quarter there for just whatever may create the issue.
6:44Even if it's not bad behavior. Sometimes the thing that worries me most about Puka is his play style.
6:51It's a very rough game. And if we're looking for volume, you don't need to be searching for unnecessary hits.
6:58A guy that can average 10 targets a game.
7:01That's a lot of car crashes that I'd rather him try to avoid some, but he seems to lower the helmet into
7:09guys much bigger than him, which again is part of the reason we love him, but part of the reason he scares me.
7:18So I'm going to stick with Puka. Although I do want to be very clear.
7:23When I pull the four in one of the very many drafts I've been doing, I am audibly sighing.
7:30Because to me, it feels like a very clear cut 1, 2, 3.
7:35And then we've talked about panic setting in when you don't have a running back.
7:40I'd feel much better if I was really wheels up on a guy like Jamar Chase that I feel fantastic about.
7:48Opposed to a guy like Puka that maybe I would prefer Amon Ra.
7:52But you can get him at 6 or 7, which kind of removes some of the shine off that number 4 pick.
8:00So overall, I really think I am leaning towards you where I would take Puka there, but I just don't love the options.
8:08I found myself with JT and McCaffrey at certain points trying to force that running back into the situation.
8:15It's not great. Speaking of running backs, the supply is dwindling.
8:19I mentioned Ashton Gentty, RB12 now down to ADP19.
8:23The coach speaks that you mentioned. It can't be more frustrating sometimes.
8:27The ankle sprain, which we did manage to get out of them, has been described, quote unquote, as more low than high.
8:35Jake, as non-doctors, what do we make of this?
8:38It's so silly the level to which some coaches and I think just some analysts go to try to find some sort of excuse.
8:47It's not as bad as we think. It's not a high ankle sprain.
8:51It's more of a low ankle sprain. Denny Carter from Blue Sky always says, Oh, it's the lowest ankle sprain you've ever seen.
9:00It's basically touching the ground. That's how low this is because that's how these coaches like to talk about it.
9:07But I think what's weird about Ashton Gentty is that Kubiak isn't spilling the beans.
9:12The head coach is being asked about it as of the time that we're recording.
9:18He hasn't really come out and said much about it.
9:21I will say the initial reports on this were so much worse, Sean.
9:26Like this is why I talk about being weary, about being glued to your social media updates all the time.
9:33Because when the news first broke about this, they were describing the situation like Ashton Gentty's ankle had completely dissolved.
9:40Like it wasn't even on his body anymore. That's how we were talking about this.
9:46Like his career could be over. They were, you know, forming prayer circles and hosting candlelight vigils.
9:52And it was just people were freaking out. And it's clearly not that bad.
9:57But also for somebody who is a little more timid about drafting Ashton Gentty as I was myself, this is just another thing.
10:05We talk about like the compiling of things just to kind of simplify it.
10:10Like, okay, he only kind of had one thing against him, which was he had an upgraded offensive line.
10:17But how good was the offensive line? Well, this is a second thing for Ashton Gentty that makes me pivot off of him.
10:25And I'm sure we'll talk about, you know, other guys going around him.
10:30I will say, as the Mike Washington guy on this podcast, it's made him obviously much more enticing as a later round flyer.
10:38But it just means you're going to have a tougher time getting him to.
10:43Yeah, he's on everybody's radar. Mike Washington is. It's also interesting we were talking off air pretty much just about this how
10:51as players enter the chat, Mike Washington, yeah, was getting drafted in deeper leagues.
10:56But there were a lot of places he wasn't.
11:00And I think there was even uncertainty that it might have been his job.
11:05Now we feel very certain about that. And if he does, maybe he is really explosive.
11:10It could be great. So all of a sudden he skips over rounds, you know, 17, 18, 19, and 20.
11:18And he's automatically in like the 16th and you have to make a decision on him.
11:23So I'm glad you got to that. You did mention one thing I forgot to open up with, which was I wanted
11:31to be offering players whether or not we'd rather go either towards or away from the Q tags that we'd be mentioning.
11:39We did cover Amonra and JSN for Puka. For Jenty, where I'm missing, even though I already have bags packed and I would love to buy low.
11:49Let me add a little more uncertainty because I had one more quote.
11:54I didn't even know if I wanted to read it, but now I have to.
11:59You have to. They remain hopeful he'll be available week one, but there's a chance he won't be ready.
12:06Oh, thanks. Cool. Everybody cool. Clarity. Yeah. So I don't want to keep investing if we're not sure.
12:12And it still could be a multiple week thing and there still could be a lack of impact when he returns.
12:20So like, I'd rather go with a guy like Brees Hall.
12:24Just briefly, do you like Brees Hall over Jenty now?
12:28They're kind of going in a similar spot as Jenty moves down and Brees Hall moving back up.
12:34If not, we have Love down. We're going to talk about him in a minute.
12:39What are you making about this like tier two running back that's going on?
12:44Like the whole situation is getting murkier by the day.
12:48And I feel like this could be very determinative for a lot of leagues and I'm getting skittish on all of them.
12:56Yeah. It's not feeling as good to have, you know, let's say you start your draft with a wide receiver in round
13:04one, and then you're coming back in rounds two and three, adding these running backs.
13:09It doesn't feel as good as it did a few weeks ago.
13:14We talked about Brees Hall a little bit on last week's episode.
13:18And the fact that I was now even drafting Derrick Henry over Brees Hall, I am now drafting Derrick Henry over Ashton Jenty.
13:26Like Chase Brown has, has, is now a slam dunk over Ashton Jenty for me, but even a guy like Derrick Henry
13:34and we have, you know, I'll always concerns about his pass catching ability, which isn't a lot.
13:40And you're still relying on touchdowns for Derrick Henry.
13:44But even with his age, like he doesn't currently have an injury to be concerned about.
13:49There's nobody behind Derrick Henry who's going to siphon touches away.
13:53Anyways, Ashton Jenty has Mike Washington. If they want to play it safe with him for the first few weeks, you know,
14:01they have a capable running back in my view that can step up.
14:06So yeah, I'm, I'm pushing him down quite a bit.
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15:34It was just whether or not he could and would get to that point.
15:40I'm not going to be stubborn if that's going to be the case.
15:44For me, he's right back into the second round.
15:47I have him snuck right behind Nico Collins, who I'm really kind of loving.
15:52I think Nico has a chance to be the wide receiver one almost with the Higgins injury and not much else behind him.
16:01But right after Collins, who is healthy for me, it's Nebers who has a chance to just dominate.
16:07What do you think about Nebers? Again, I missed that third round, fourth round value.
16:13But going in the second, if he's Malik Nebers, he could still pay off.
16:18Where are you on Malik? The problem, I've just constantly been on opposing sides of this entire saga throughout the offseason.
16:25Early on with the infamous softball trot, I was just like, wow.
16:30I mean, he's going in like the fifth round in some of these drafts.
16:35It's just getting kind of crazy. I was like, I mean, I understand you don't want a guy that's a shell of
16:43his former self, but this is a top quality wide receiver and there was still a lot of time left.
16:50So I was smashing the button on round five.
16:53Then he gets into round three and I was like, I could do round three.
16:58Okay. But I'm not going to do round two with Malik Nebers.
17:03So now that he's up there, there are other wide receivers going in his area that don't have not only the injury
17:11concerns of Malik Nebers, but they don't have like the bad vibes of the team.
17:16They don't have the QB injury concerns as well.
17:19Like, again, there's a lot of things in my brain that are working against Malik Nebers.
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17:51The Giants need to invest in the picture of Dorian Gray.
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18:04So I'm just not in on Malik Nebers. If I miss him, it's a lot of like how I feel about CMC.
18:12I understand what I could be missing out. But at his ADP range, the risk is too big for me.
18:19Well, first of all, I think no matter how we kind of slice this up, you're the big winner right now because you predicted it right.
18:28You played the price. You got the better price.
18:31And whether or not fading the new price is wrong, you still have those.
18:36In the best case, right? So in a case where the new second round price is a profit, you really won out back then.
18:45So that's well played by you. Let me ask you, though, could you rank those, you know, second and third round wide receivers for us?
18:54I mentioned Nico, where do you have neighbors? Like so behind Pickens.
18:58How about like those guys? Where are you? Because I think if you're pushing him behind, let's say, a Tet, you're not getting him at all.
19:08But if he's just after like a Pickens, like would you take him early third?
19:13Or you're pretty much outing him altogether. Because once he gets into that kind of those choppy waters near the middle of
19:21the third, I've had trouble saying no. But again, I do understand.
19:25I just I have trouble saying no to the upside.
19:29Yeah, I get still the upside argument. So, no, I'm not writing him off entirely.
19:34If if I'm in my draft and he does fall into the third round, then he's still a consideration.
19:41But the guys that I'm absolutely drafting over him.
19:44Right. Sounds like maybe you would have some questions about some of these guys like Drake London.
19:51Yes, absolutely. Drafting Drake London over him. AJ Brown.
19:54Yes, drafting him. Nico Collins, drafting him. Chris Olave, given the current state of the Saints, you know, with Jordan Tyson and
20:02everybody else who seems to be falling off a cliff there.
20:06Absolutely. Chris Olave. Now, when we get to Rasheed Rice, that's where I start to have some questions.
20:12It's kind of more of a coin flip. But like T Higgins to me, I would rather have over Malik neighbors, which
20:20again just means I'm not going to have Malik neighbors.
20:24Probably. Yeah. Yeah. That's another great call. You give me an idea for maybe doing another kind of polarizing player thing where
20:32T Higgins forever has perpetually been George where George Pickens is right.
20:36Like a true alpha in a secondary role. That's part of a great offense.
20:41So was Dean the second rounder. In fact, if anything's changed for T Higgins, it's probably gotten better.
20:48I mean, the situation is a healthy Joe Burrow post.
20:51He had the preseason stuff last year. We were worried how that would start for him.
20:57Higgins keeps falling. And when you think about how consolidated that bangle offense is and with the per game ceiling on that
21:05team, it's funny you mentioned Higgins because he he should have been a real part of my drafting clan all summer and hasn't been.
21:13And it's not for anything against him. I just, he just would fall behind player A or fall behind player B though.
21:21Rashid Rice was not one of them. I'm not drafting Rice.
21:25I'm worried. Maybe he's not that great at football and maybe he's not 100% healthy.
21:31Again, I like that how it's over to oversimplify, but sometimes that's how you do these things.
21:37Too many things, right? You put the thing in a good bucket.
21:41We put a thing in the bad bucket. Too many things in the bad bucket.
21:47It's easy to say, no, thank you. Next up, a player that I mentioned before, Jeremiah Love, another injury, these high ankle sprains for running backs.
21:56I mean, it could hurt him. He looked like he was set up for a monster workload.
22:02They ran him into the ground during a preseason game, which is generally unadvised.
22:07He is dealing with a high ankle sprain. They're admitting it.
22:11Also, the quote is, week one is in doubt.
22:14I've gotten away from Love because I was drafting him so aggressively in the beginning of the third.
22:21The discount is not great enough. He's not like pick 33 right now.
22:26So I'm going to just let it roll as it is.
22:29I'm finding a hard time with the running backs I mentioned in that third round now.
22:35I wasn't drafting Javante. I still don't like him.
22:38I wasn't really drafting Josh Jacobs. I still don't really like him.
22:43So I don't know what to do. I'm either drafting my running backs really, really early or waiting for the fourth and
22:51going like Swift and Tootin or Scadabo. And I'm already holding my nose because as much as I like those players, Jake,
22:59it doesn't feel like a week one RB one that I would trade in a one V one if I were drafted one earlier.
23:07So see if you could tackle any and all of that, starting with Love and getting into those third round running backs.
23:15Well, John, I think that this injury has just cemented a slow start to Jeremiah Love's career.
23:21And that's not what you're interested in drafting at this stage in ADP in redraft.
23:27It's just I don't want a running back who's going to come out beyond potentially a very heavy pitch count, even if
23:35he is available when the offense isn't one that I'm super interested if you love the Cardinals offense, you probably have a different idea about Jeremiah Love.
23:44But I was basing my my love of Jeremiah for the workload and the fact that, you know, Ashton Jenty did pretty well last year.
23:53Their talent levels are pretty similar, all things considered.
23:57But the offensive line is better for Jeremiah Love.
24:00Those are the things that worked in his favor.
24:03Now, why? Why? What's the argument for Jeremiah Love when the coaching staff had come out before the preseason craziness of how
24:11much workload he got in that game? But they were coming out sounding so ambivalent about Jeremiah Love.
24:18So I had read the tea leaves as they're coming out.
24:22You know, Coach LeFleur wasn't very committal to Jordan Love being a superstar, certainly, for anything like it.
24:28And then he's giving him so much work in the preseason.
24:32Was it a thing that he really wanted to see what this kid has, you know, instead of defaulting back to James
24:40Conner if he's healthy or Tyler Algier, who they just signed this offseason?
24:45To me, this is a big feather in the cap for Tyler Algier of saying the first four weeks, if I'm going
24:52to guess which of these two running backs takes the bigger snap count, the heavier workload, I'm going with Algier.
25:00He's a very, very good running back in his own right.
25:04And if I want a fast start in my redraft leagues, which I always do, then I'm going with Tyler Algier much later.
25:12Yeah, Algier feels like a smash pick for early flex production.
25:16If you're doing GL leagues and stuff, or even these eliminator leagues, I think he's got to get pushed upwards.
25:23I was already a fan of his because, I don't know, it's felt simple, but he boxed out Bijan Robinson, who, last
25:31I checked, is on the shortest list for best football players on earth, and consistently boxed him out of high-value goal line work.
25:39So why wouldn't he have gotten that again? I mean, they paid him and then kind of surprised everybody with that draft pick of Love.
25:48So I still think Love is going to be productive.
25:52I think if he proves at any point to be healthy, he's going to be a real big fantasy asset.
25:59The problem is the market agrees because pick 33 for a guy who might miss a couple games is really rough.
26:07And also, just because we haven't mentioned it, got to be careful inviting too much injury on our teams early, Jake.
26:14We want to get out and win. We want to win in September.
26:19That's a mistake I've made in my past. Too many late-season winners, and sometimes that's best ball brain when we think about,
26:27all right, he's going to hit the ground running in the playoffs when it matters, kind of large field stuff, most home leagues.
26:35That's not the case. It's just head-to-head. If you get out to a, you know, one-and-three start, you could be behind the
26:43eight ball and chasing the entire year. Not what you want to be doing.
26:48So that was really good. Let's just take a quick break.
26:52I want to shuffle the paper and get back to the second half of these guys because we have another list of
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30:11Wide receiver, 1980p, 41. And I'm getting worried because they said turf toe.
30:16And turf toe has ruined seasons and if not, like careers.
30:20Edbuka already has some major threats for opportunity. That's a very talented pass catcher room, especially in the front end of the season.
30:28If and when a guy like Godwin goes down, you know, before McMillan goes down, Hurst is there.
30:35They're loving him in camp. I'm getting very worried about Edbuka.
30:39Again, the quotes are so vague. They're optimistic, but we're not sure.
30:43But it could be. And so, I don't know.
30:46It feels like my parents would lie to me about Toys R Us when I was little.
30:52Talk to us about Emeka Edbuka, man. Yeah, you can pick out two of anything that you want.
30:59Oh, no, they're closed. If you're good, maybe. We'll see.
31:02I used to get the we'll see. This one really does sting.
31:07I don't have a single Dynasty League where I don't have Emeka Edbuka.
31:11I spent all offseason trying to get him because I was so adamant that he was set up to have potentially like a JSN type of ascendance.
31:21I really felt that in this offense, and based on the quality of what we saw before last year's injury, that Abuka could be that guy.
31:31And so, I was also dipping in on redraft quite a lot.
31:35Now, you mentioned turf toe. I mean, even just think about like Brock Purdy.
31:40Brock Purdy went through the turf toe extravaganza. At the time, it wasn't an injury that was so common that we knew a lot about it.
31:49And people were kind of making fun of turf toe because it just sounds silly.
31:55Yeah. It's not. I mean, it really does derail seasons, like you said.
31:59So, I don't feel good drafting Emeka Edbuka now.
32:03In this area of round four, there's a couple of other wide receivers I've talked a lot about.
32:09You and I have both went through sort of the wide receivers in this range that we're comfortable with.
32:16Edbuka had definitely been one of those guys. Now, it's like Zay Flowers before him.
32:21You know, if somehow he falls to this area, great.
32:25I'll snatch up Zay Flowers. It has me thinking I should reach a little bit on Garrett Wilson instead of waiting for
32:33him to fall into my bread basket. So, this doesn't just affect his ADP.
32:38It really does affect my kind of whole strategy at wide receiver, John.
32:43Yeah, I agree a thousand percent. I had Edbuka kind of not heading shoulders above the tier, but, you know, he's peeking up above the horizon.
32:52And that was the guy I was grabbing the whole time.
32:56If we're going to go back to the stuff in things, you know, labeled buckets, good and bad.
33:02I like so many of the other players there that those bad buckets were empty.
33:08I really like Zay Flowers. You mentioned him. We both like Tee Higgins.
33:13You mentioned him. I like Lad McConkie. You know, I like Jalen Waddell.
33:17I like a lot of guys there. Even Garrett Wilson was the other name that I was looking for.
33:24Those are all players that are in great setups, great situations, and don't have that one thing, which we're really worried about.
33:32Again, we're making big decisions. We haven't seen anything at all.
33:36This could turn into a pup. Yeah, they're being kind of optimistic because they haven't restarted the engine, right?
33:43That's when the re-aggravations happen. That's when we really get our news, when they go to start them up again and find
33:51out whether or not, again, the machine is just working and all the pistons are firing.
33:56I'm really, really worried. And, again, just down to ADP 41, he's hardly falling behind all the names that I've mentioned.
34:04And if I'm prioritizing running backs the way that just every piece of analysis that I do seems to be pushing me
34:12in that direction, I really got to hit these wide receivers.
34:16I can't risk – you know, Ibuka is going to be your wide receiver one.
34:21I can't risk him on the shelf. Where are you drawing the line?
34:26I'm going to give you a couple names, and then we're going to go into the next name on the list.
34:34Devontae Adams, Terry McLaurin, Roma Dunze, and Luther Burden.
34:37He's back to practice. Would you rather have Luther Burden back to practice or Emeko with the question marks?
34:44I didn't have a whole lot of love for Luther Burden, and that was before any sort of injury thing with him.
34:52So I'm still giving the tiebreaker to Emeko Ibuka unless we get some real confirmation of things being worse than how they're playing it right now.
35:01So I would still take Ibuka over Burden. I would take Ibuka over Adams.
35:06I've been told that, you know, yes, Devontae Adams, all he does is score touchdowns.
35:11It's not a recent phenomenon. But last year when 40% of his fantasy points are strictly because of touchdowns, and he's another
35:19year older, and his quarterback has a bad back that could flare up, that's still a tiebreaker that's in favor of Ibuka.
35:27But, you know, last week I was on the fence about Jalen Waddell because of guys like him in this range, and
35:35I think now I would take Waddell over Ibuka.
35:38Can I ask you about one more player? I like to be very selfish sometimes, but I like to think it helps
35:46people because, again, it's not just him in the dirt.
35:50I'm down to the elbows making these decisions. A player that's been falling in this range that I'm finding right around this
35:58kind of – that decision point is Tett McMillan.
36:01I had been hand-waving them. Very easy for me to hand-wave.
36:05Again, we're comparing them to players that I don't see red flags.
36:09When I see the quarterback and the environment as a red flag, it was very easy for me to say thanks but no thanks.
36:18I was worried about the utilization. And with the Brazel injury, I worried that might stunt that hope.
36:25But if the preseason is any indication, McMillan is working like a ton out of the slot and getting some layup throws
36:32for Bryce on the move where he could see the receiver.
36:36Could be a huge help in giving Bacon a little bit of floor.
36:41Where are you at Buka versus Tett McMillian? And is McMillian even kind of part of your plan?
36:48Because I think he's a very good player. But, again, at the price, I have to like more than a player.
36:55I need to like the situation as well. Yeah, it's a great call out because McMillan was somebody who in round five,
37:03it felt like if somehow he was there, it was kind of an easy decision for me.
37:09McMillan, I just want to point out, I know that there's concerns about not only the usage, as you said, but really because of his quarterback.
37:19I always have to mention this to folks because I know Bryce Young is not the best quarterback.
37:25He's not the best even feeder of fantasy points to our skill position players.
37:30But this is a guy who in his rookie season made Adam Thielen the wide receiver six in his first like whatever
37:38that stretch was where he was healthy, like six games or something like that.
37:43And the dude was like already 35 or something, I'm pretty sure at that point.
37:48So it can be done. The wide receiver needs to be very talented, but McMillan is very talented.
37:55So, yes, I would take McMillan over Ibuka now.
37:58Yeah, I think maybe. And it's tough for me.
38:01To me, that is really kind of tacitly admitting how worried I am about the turf though, because when it first started, those were not even close.
38:11I would have taken Ibuka, you know, 11 times out of 10.
38:15Next up, a player that we both really liked.
38:19And this is when I was kind of complaining to you off air about how I hate when CLV kind of eats up my portfolio.
38:28You and I were both very much on Tucker Kraft.
38:31He's still the tight end five, but that price now has closed.
38:36That's something that you and I spoke about. Yeah, Kraft is a TE5, but he was going after pick 80.
38:43Now he's going in the early 60s, where I've had trouble wrangling him because I'm kind of still eating in that wide receiver pool.
38:51Guys we've mentioned, I like Jameson Williams. I like Mike Evans.
38:55I like Christian Watson. I like Parker Washington. Those are guys I'm all kind of drafting now over Tucker Kraft.
39:03I hate to admit it, but he's practicing. And even though they're saying they're going to keep him on a snap count, it's weird.
39:11As long as he's running routes, we really don't care if he's run blocking.
39:16It's funny with tight ends how people get obsessed with that.
39:20Dalton Kincaid showed you, as long as you're running routes, it doesn't matter your snap count.
39:26Because if you're efficient like Kraft can be. So where are you on our guy Tucker Kraft?
39:32As he creeps up next to Warren, who also has his own issues.
39:37Man, I hate to admit it, Jake. I've kind of hit the eject button at cost.
39:43I mean, Warren and Kraft have been two of my top tier targets at tight end this entire time.
39:49So the combo platter of this is not thrilling to me.
39:53Tucker Kraft, though, I've still been, I'll admit it.
39:57I'm one of the people still hyping up Tucker Kraft.
40:00And unfortunately, maybe not helping a discount situation for Tucker Kraft in your leagues.
40:05Because of what you said. I think that anybody who can break big plays as a tight end, as consistently as Tucker
40:13Kraft can, is still going to be worth it more than like your garden variety.
40:19Hey, I'm here and I'm going to catch the ball and fall down.
40:23You know, that type of tight end variety. The old Jason Witten or Zach Ertz types.
40:29No disrespect to those guys. But Tucker Kraft is still worth it to me.
40:34The one thing that gives me pause is the depth chart is so thin for Green Bay at tight end.
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40:46Are they going to be forced to play him more than they want for those situations?
40:52Because they don't really have anybody right now who is healthy and sort of a trusted veteran.
40:58So I'm not going to get too in my head about it, but it is something to consider.
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44:22Behind him is like Wiley. I'm hoping, we talk about as much as coaches and GMs lie, a lot of times the roster and usage is the truth.
44:32It's when they kind of have to show their cards.
44:36I'm hoping that lack of depth is physical confidence, right?
44:39Confidence in the recovery for Kraft because I will say this also before we move on.
44:45At pick 65, he could still change your league.
44:48It kills me to have to take him over again a guy like Parker Washington.
44:54But it could really give you an edge every single week with the vacated targets in Green Bay.
45:00And again, if he's going to get that full workload, he could just break fantasy positionally because, again, it's going so late.
45:08Let's stick with tight ends. It's George Kittle. He was just activated from the PUP list on Sunday.
45:15Now, my beef with Kittle the whole time is I never thought he was really cheap enough.
45:21I think it's – I keep mentioning Dalton Kincaid.
45:24I might as well do it again. He's been the guy I've been into when it was around pick 100.
45:31Now, Kittle is the tight end nine moving up into the high 80s.
45:36Last I saw was consensus ADP 88 for Kittle.
45:39We're still not 100% sure he's going to play week one, but it does sound pretty sure he will be in the lineup week two.
45:48Just a quick note, Sam Frane did tell us if he's not going to play in the international game, which they're leaving a week early for.
45:58He won't be traveling. So we will get that information early, which I think will help you because you could draft Kittle
46:06and you'll just know you're not taking a zero.
46:09I don't think that one week should throw us off it.
46:13I think the price might – man, Kittle could be that guy that could change a week also, Jake.
46:20Few guys at the position have that type of per-game ceiling.
46:24But you are paying for it. We don't know if he's going to return to 100%.
46:29Where are you on Kittle and how he fits into the Sam Frane plan?
46:34I mean, to be fair, you used to have to pay tight end five ADP for George Kittle.
46:41Like that's what he's consistently been. So it might not feel like it.
46:46This is a discount for George Kittle. It is another tight end who, when he's out there, whenever he actually has been
46:53healthy, you could pretty reliable slot him in for at least an 80% chance at a huge day.
47:00Does he always deliver? No. And sometimes he plays through arguably too many injuries, and it can impact what you're getting in the fantasy stat sheet.
47:09But I've seen a lot of chatter, a ton of chatter, especially over on Blue Sky, about like, stay away from George Kittle.
47:18Don't even mess with it based off this injury.
47:21I'm not as afraid. I've said all along, George Kittle and to a lesser extent, Tucker Craft, these are guys like when
47:29they say, coming off of injury or playing through injury, I'm good.
47:33I'm going to be out there. I'm going to play.
47:37I believe them. Those two are very reliable in that way.
47:41So as long as, big asterisk, as long as you're comfortable taking another stab at tight end at the very end of
47:49your draft just to make sure, hey, on week one, week two, I have somebody that I can slot in.
47:56I keep saying Greg Dulcich is a name. But pick your preferred tight end at the last round of your draft.
48:03Pair these guys with that tight end just to be on the safe side.
48:08But otherwise, I'm okay with the price. Yeah, I don't think that's a bad play either.
48:14It just depends where he falls. I'm still finding his price is all over the place.
48:20There are times where he goes in the early 80s.
48:24I find myself saying, no, thank you. Then there are times where he's back in the triple digits where he may have
48:31fallen behind a guy like Kincaid where all of a sudden I'm thinking, yeah, let's go.
48:37To that replacement theory, Jake Thomas has stepped in as like a real tight end one at points.
48:44I'm just looking at the game log. Kittle missed last year versus Chicago.
48:48And Thomas went 760 and one. So he's part of the offense.
48:53He understands the plan. He's going to play a full complement of snaps if he makes the trip.
48:59And that'd be fine, right? I think you're almost good.
49:03I don't want to say definitely. But I think you get a tight end one finish from him, even if it's not too pretty.
49:11But he gives you a good chance at it.
49:15All right, just a couple more names. But they're relevant.
49:18It matters, you know, the show's getting longer as we're approaching kickoff.
49:23It's Alec Pierce, Colts head coaching. Steichen said Alec Pierce with the ankle is expected to return to practice this week.
49:30I mean, maybe I need to stop doing video-based analysis after what happened with Malik Neighbors.
49:36But I saw that video of Pierce. He does not look good.
49:40All the Twitter docs are in agreement. He's not putting pressure on it.
49:45He's still walking weird. It doesn't look right to me.
49:49Maybe he returns to practice, in which case ADP 104 would be a steal.
49:54But I will tell people from drafting every second of every day, that video spiked his ADP downward.
50:00Again, it's torpedoed. He's going around pick 135, where I've found myself back in the Alec Pierce market, which I kind of said I wasn't going to do.
50:10But at pick 130, I mean, we're talking about a potential top target on the team.
50:16He's definitely a good deep target and could win you weeks with high-value touches.
50:21So where are you on Pierce? Do you think it's a little bit foolish of me who's an admitted injury pessimist to finally be showing some optimism?
50:31Well, no, not if the price is right. You know, that's the whole thing is I stay away from injuries typically in the first few rounds.
50:40So these guys that were at the top of our list, I was more cautious about.
50:46But if you're getting to this point, you're wanting, or I am, as much upside as possible.
50:52I was out on Alec Pierce when everybody thought he was healthy because I thought his ADP was crazy.
50:59And I thought people were assuming, you know, that he was this locked-in wide receiver one.
51:05And I just wasn't feeling it because I thought that the contract was more about what he did overall for the offense
51:13than what he did for your fantasy score, you know?
51:16And now that he's falling down, it's like, sure, why not at least take a stab on it?
51:23Especially you pair that with the fact that Tyler Warren is dealing with his own injury.
51:28Josh Downs we didn't even talk about. He's now got some stuff going on that who knows how serious that is.
51:36But, you know, attrition's a real thing. Sometimes you just need a guy who has a decent shot to go out there
51:44and put up some big weeks, if only because he's the only healthy target available.
51:49And between the fact that all those other guys are banged up and they signed 80-year-old Keenan Allen, I think, you know, I'm okay with Pierce.
51:59Yeah, I think given the archetypes of the pass catchers on that team, if and when Pierce returns, that job is waiting for him.
52:07Forget the money, which I, you know, backed up the Brinks truck for him.
52:12So I am keeping the light on for Alec Pierce.
52:16Again, it's got to be outside of pick 125.
52:19I'm glad that you mentioned the price that is always the most important thing.
52:24But right, when he was going closer to QJ, Casey Concepcion, even Matthew Golden, I'd rather have those players.
52:31Now that he's going closer to, man, he's going closer to like Keenan Allen, Khalil Shakir, who's banged up also.
52:38Jacoby Lane, who I think the market has oversteamed.
52:41Yeah, that could be a thing in Baltimore. But it's not like we've seen multiple pass catchers in Baltimore get dragged along
52:49with Lamar, who's talking about running again. So, yeah, I'm going to hope Pierce is a thing.
52:56Maybe we'll know early or late. And, hey, man, maybe he's even like an IR guy that he can stash.
53:03Let's do last but not least, because we had Kenyon Sadiq on there, but, man, rookie tight ends at a missing time,
53:11he's not going to be part of anyone's redraft plan.
53:14I don't think he should be. We're going to talk Patrick Mahomes.
53:19Mahomes, man, this is somebody I have found. I'm like the anti-Mahomes guy, even though as a, you know, I'm a longtime
53:27veteran handicapper, Jake, and I've been telling people for the longest time the quickest way to go broke is to bet against Patrick Mahomes.
53:35Yet here I find myself doing exactly that. QB 15, he's going right around.
53:40Let's go a little bit after ADP 115. Andy Reid, it's not like he was being a little cute.
53:47Mahomes has been at every practice, has not missed a single rep.
53:51When asked, oh, Andy Reid said, which I just mentioned, he was quoted saying, we'll see.
53:57I'm imagining Patrick Mahomes is playing. I'm just not sure what we're getting.
54:02I'm really worried about Kelsey's age and Rice's skill.
54:05The fact that now everybody in the world is chasing up Cyrus Allen.
54:10I think Zaver Worthy might also not be good.
54:13He also might be fragile. Bad shoulder again. There's a chance that the Chiefs were just, we mentioned roster truths.
54:20When they saw Kenneth Walker, the intention was to run the ball more.
54:25I can see Mahomes being a much better real-life quarterback than Fantasy.
54:29I also like Jackson Dart, who runs going at the same price.
54:34Talk to us about Mahomes. And if you think maybe I should start adding him into my plan at all, because literally I'm several hundred drafts deep.
54:43I don't think I've clicked on Mahomes once. Wow.
54:46Wow. That's wild to hear. I just want to try to transport you back.
54:52Let's do this, John. Let's see if I can get you back on board.
54:57Yes, exactly. I don't know who's going to get that.
55:00I don't know if anyone's going to get that.
55:03There's got to be a Wayne's World fan or two still around.
55:08I would hope so. All right. So transport two years ago.
55:12Talk to John from two years ago and say, you can get Patrick freaking Mahomes at QB 15 in your draft.
55:19The only caveat is maybe he's a little banged up.
55:23Maybe week one, you don't love what you get.
55:26QB 15 for Patrick Mahomes? When he was QB 11, QB 12 early in the off season.
55:32It's like, I guess I kind of see where people are pivoting away.
55:37But I've said it so many times. I'm going to go to my fantasy grave saying it once more.
55:44The return of Eric Viennemi as the offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs, I believe is the fastest thing to get
55:52Mahomes and everybody else back to the explosive play style and the big fantasy points that we had grown accustomed to for so long with Mahomes.
56:01So I personally am loving it. It's the same thing I would say, though, about drafting Tucker Craft or drafting George Kittle.
56:09So make sure, you know, even in a one QB league, if you're not somebody who normally drafts two QBs, save a
56:17spot towards the end of your draft for somebody that you can plug in for those first couple of weeks.
56:24I'm not saying you have to handcuff him with Justin Fields, but, you know, Sam Darnold or whoever is going back there,
56:32make sure you have somebody just in case he's not looking good or he's not out there in week one.
56:39But otherwise, I'm in. I think you're right, especially if the price is so low that where you would have normally had
56:47to draft him as a top five QB, which I was never really into because, again, I was chasing the runners and it never worked out.
56:57I've always, right, your lifetime defeated, right? The opposite of undefeated is lifetime defeated going up against Patrick Mahomes.
57:03Although the funniest part about this case that you're like, take this back in time.
57:09How about we go back to last year where he was one of four quarterbacks to average over 20 fantasy points a
57:17game, which is really the benchmark for being really great and the benchmark for separation at the position.
57:23And yet somehow I just refuse to believe it.
57:26I feel like I am destined to burn on this one, man.
57:31I don't know what it is. It's all there.
57:34And I'm really – I am just supremely bearish on that.
57:38Just the whole pass-catching core. I could just see the whole thing kind of going wrong for them.
57:44But, man, when it comes down to it, I feel like I'm going to be more sorry than not when it comes down to Mr.
57:53Patrick Mahomes. Jake, that was really awesome. I think we settled some of these debates for people, gay people, options of plan B, plan C.
58:02So from Drake, Jake Trowbridge, and John Legazza, our producer Robbie, everyone at Fantasy Football Weekly, thanks so much for listening.
58:10We'll catch you next week and enjoy the weekend.
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