0:00made an absolute disaster of a decision.
0:04I mean, frankly, Nathaniel, for as long as we've been playing cash games, this might have been the worst swap I've ever
0:09made in the history of time. We will we will get to that. And the reason we will get to that is because
0:17is this the the most chalk, the most dupes there's ever been in a slate of cash games under DraftKings? I was
0:24looking through ownerships and I think the amount of total variation of players played it it is the closest it's ever been. Like there were at every position,
0:36like at quarterback, there were two guys who were owned. At running back, there were four guys who were owned. At wide
0:41receiver, there were like five guys. I mean, this was the most preposterous chalk anomaly I've ever I've ever seen. I couldn't I actually I couldn't believe
0:53it. The The projections were very good, but no one IKB'd. There was no IKB'ing.
1:00>> Yeah, it was it was a it was a chalky slate, for sure.
1:04>> Yeah, it it was completely unbelievable.
1:06So basically at quarterback, if you were using projections, you either slotted in Kyler Murray or Tyler Shuck. And then when the cuz
1:17the the thing that changed lineups was we got news early that Flowers was going to play. This is really interesting because
1:25optimal lineups at, you know, whatever 10:00 Central Time, 10:30, had Rashod Bateman in them. Would have been really interesting to run back
1:34time knowing that we didn't know Flowers was going to play or not, that it was a that it was a legit question because
1:41there was a tweet that came out about 11 that said, um what was it? It was like Flowers gave the trainers a thumbs up or something
1:48and then Shefter said he's going to play 20-30 snaps cuz the optimal lineup when I ran it this morning was Shuck, Gibbs, Walker, Jaylen Warren. The
1:59receivers were Bateman, Garrett Wilson, and P-Wash with Titans D. Was that it?
2:09Oh, but no, but at tight end it was T.J.
2:12Hockenson instead of Dalton Schultz. It was T- That's what it was. Which Which by the way ended up not being a big deal
2:19because [ __ ] Dalton Schultz, am I right?
2:22>> The Dalton Schultz thing was still thing. We got a little bit of the variance there, but that was that was
2:26brutal.
2:28>> [snorts] >> That was brutal.
2:29>> But I mean, I don't ever remember there being 70% owned quarterback without a secondary chalk quarterback. Like people weren't playing Lamar. People didn't
2:41play Mahomes. People didn't even play Purdy. Purdy was the one who I wanted to play at quarterback. That was the one
2:46where I was like, Purdy just feels like an absolute gem at quarterback. But I mean, were you guys just shocked the
2:51whole time?
2:53>> I was. I thought Shock was the was the best. I mean, I looked at some Kyler teams, but I just
2:59I don't know. I didn't feel like salary-wise it was worth it was worth it.
3:04>> You got to understand about Kyler Murray that he's not good.
3:07And once you understand that Kyler is not good at football and he's lost that little bit of athleticism that made him different,
3:15you don't have to play him.
3:16Like it's great to say, "Oh yeah, he's got Justin Jefferson. Oh, you know, everything is going to >> didn't He didn't
3:21>> No, dude.
3:22>> He didn't have Justin Jefferson. That was Justin Jefferson played one drive today.
3:26>> Yeah. And and how much and how much running did Kyler Murray do?
3:30>> He had like 20 rushing yards or something. I mean, he got outrushed by Tyler Shock.
3:34>> Yeah. He dude, he doesn't want any of that smoke. It's over for Kyler Murray.
3:38Like he's passable, but like man, to I know they projected similarly, but when you get Tyler Shock who's like this generation's Blake Bortles
3:48in the dome in a in a shootout game like I I I just I did not want to play Kyler Murray and
3:54I wasn't willing to I thought it was far enough away where I wasn't willing to compromise the lineup to to to to put in Murray over Shuck. Like I
4:05just wouldn't do it.
4:06>> And then running back, so I got to say I made a mistake and okay, a running back obviously Walker and Gibbs you had to
4:14play non-negotiable. They should have been 100% owned. Frankly, they weren't even owned enough to me in GBPs. Like Jamir Gibbs in some of the tournaments
4:23was like 35%.
4:25It it was >> Jamir Gibbs was free money in tournaments. He was 31% in in in the 555. I was like
4:33what is happening? I Yeah. Or no, he was 38% in the in the Million Maker there.
4:38>> Fancy fancy play syndrome. Look, there's places to to differentiate in tournaments. You absolutely should do it, but when somebody is this big of a value and this
4:48big of a smash, find them another spot.
4:51Like the playing not having him in your tournament lineups was a big miss.
4:55>> Yeah, completely completely agree. So those two were the locks. Then you had to decide between Jaylen Warren and Chuba Hubbard. And frankly, I just got
5:03to I got to hold my hand up here.
5:05Um I played bad, dude. I I I was I'm doing my show, whatever. I'm like trying to do my life and I message
5:12Wiggins this morning and I realize uh I at 10:40 I say what about doing Isaiah Williams instead of Bateman. And he
5:22goes, yeah, that's fine. Shol Tubberd.
5:24And I'm like, okay, bang. Whatever that fits. And I guess I just assumed I never re-ran optimals or anything. I just assumed Hubbard projected for more
5:32than Jaylen Warren. I don't know I don't know why I would have assumed that. Um because Jaylen Warren projected for a
5:39billion all week when Rico Dowdle was not in. Now, you could argue it one of two ways.
5:47Jaylen Warren should have mega nuked even more because he tripped on his way in the end zone. I actually have a
5:53disgusting thing to show you guys. Uh, we fired a pick'em um on the the ship chasing show today, a 123x. Look at this.
6:05Tee Higgins touchdown, Travis Kelce touchdown, Bijan Robinson touchdown, Jaylen Warren gets turf monstered walking into the end zone on a 123x.
6:16Uh, so that would have been that would have recouped my losses uh, on on the main slate there. So, that was a
6:23bit tough. Frankly, I have no I have no um, defense for this. This was just I straight up I straight like lost my mind
6:32playing Chuba Hubbard over Jaylen Warren.
6:34>> Dude, I was shocked. I was shocked. The main train had it was 501 dupes in the $25.
6:41>> I was not alone. They all also lost their mind.
6:44>> I know. So, I don't understand. The entire field it was it was it was one site that I >> It It had It had to have It had to have
6:51just been the ETR cash game Discord team. That had to have been it.
6:55>> I think that's what it was. I mean, it was >> That That had to have been it because it's bad Not that Not that Hubbard is
7:01like some dog [ __ ] play, but Jaylen Warren was just a better play. I think just very clearly a better play without
7:07Rico Dowdle.
7:08>> this is this is the only time Jaylen Warren in his entire career has had like full workload like this and yet he has
7:14shown efficiency time and time again in limited usage and now he finally has the reins pulled off of him and everybody's
7:21like, "Nah."
7:22>> No, it's like it's like actually insane.
7:25>> No, Jacob and I went and looked back. It is literally the first time it's ever been Gainwell out or Najee out. Ever.
7:32Ever. Whole career. First time.
7:35That insane?
7:36That's completely completely insane.
7:38>> And honestly, Warren should have had more. Warren should have had more. That that. that you're talking about where he was turf monstered. I mean, it was there
7:44was nobody he was he could have walked.
7:46He could have walked into the end zone.
7:48>> And then wide receiver was literally it was like if you didn't play if you didn't play Garrett Wilson, you need to find a new hobby. And if you
7:56didn't play Parker Washington, you got to find a new hobby. Like you got to you got to start over. You got to go you got
8:02to go to square one. There's there was a little bit of artistry to who to play at wide receiver three. I ended up with
8:08Isaiah Williams as the wide receiver three.
8:13Looks like Sammy played Davante Parker and Nate also played Isaiah Williams.
8:20Now, we're going to we're going to get into what Sammy did to get to Davante Parker.
8:26But yeah, like I guess Nate, how did you think through what to do with the third wide receiver once it became clear we
8:31couldn't play Bateman?
8:34>> Well, I almost did I mean, I really wanted to play Bateman and Andrews. I really was hoping Flowers news was going
8:40to come cuz all night it looked like Flowers wasn't going to play. Like I built last night most of my lineups
8:47and I was thinking I was I was Flowers out until like 11:00 this afternoon or this morning I was Flowers out and so
8:55I almost did something where I was going to fade Kenneth Walker and play Warren and and >> You did you did almost do that. I'm so
9:02I'm so [ __ ] upset. I'm so [ __ ] upset. Yet again, Nate gets bailed out and he's going to do something
9:12astronomically stupid, gargantually stupid. He's going to play two tight ends on this slate.
9:19I mean, just like >> would have been like like I was dumb for playing Hubbard over Warren, but playing like [ __ ] Mark Andrews over Jalen
9:27Warren really would have been a true all-timer, man. It really would have been.
9:31>> Look, I I got to I got to set the stage for you guys.
9:35I have not looked at anything pretty much all day. My wife's out of town on a work trip. I have two kids by myself.
9:41Set up a play date or by the pool. Got these other people over. I'm grilling for everybody. Dude, I'm sweating uh
9:48NFBC main event last day. Uh PS, we lost. I'm tilted. Like my energy is so bad.
9:54But I had I didn't look at DraftKings at all.
9:57And I was still under the impression that Nate had gone two tight ends. And so I'm looking forward to this all day.
10:03I'm like, "Well, at least we get to dunk on Nate."
10:06And then I jump onto the podcast. You guys let me in and I pull up the teams and I see that Nate
10:11has been bailed out and puts in an actual good lineup and beats us yet again. I think Nate is three for three
10:21to start off the season in the Gilcast three-man. I mean, things could not be going any [ __ ] worse for me.
10:29There you have it.
10:29>> Well, I mean, I I we're going to get into it, but I decided to give Nate the win because I
10:39>> I know. I had the win regardless. Even if you played Shuck. I I had you because you did you were stupid with Hubbard.
10:44>> All right. We'll we'll get in we'll get into this swap. So let's get in.
10:47>> I I I gave him the win because I did something incredibly stupid that we will >> We will >> Oh, yeah. That we will get into. Let's
10:54>> Listen, I just I just played better than you guys at all positions. There was not one position that I was like I I had
11:01like Shuck over Kyler. I'll take that.
11:03>> Yeah, yeah. You played >> you played Warren over Hubbard.
11:06And honestly, I honestly think the Isaiah Williams over Valey thing cost cost included was sharp.
11:13>> Yeah, that's that's obvious. So I looked at all the lineups and I looked at >> I looked at I looked at all the
11:19ownership and everything and I said I'm probably behind enough Jaylen Warren teams that I need to get off Tyler Shuck. Now, ultimately, I think this
11:29ended up being wrong because I would have scraped back more money if I would have just kept Tyler Shuck in. My lineup
11:36My lineup with Tyler Shuck Um I think if you look at the giant $50 double up, cuz what's this 164 team? So this 164 team
11:46is my team with Tyler Shuck.
11:48But I think there's >> in the whole >> But I was going to say there's so many of them that I don't even think this 164
11:54team Or Okay, this 164 team just barely does cash. Yeah. So I swapped from Shuck to Kyler just for the just for the the
12:04clean sweep equity, basically, is what I did. And >> by the way, Davis, can you read off the scores for people um who are like
12:13listening, not watching on YouTube?
12:15>> All right. Nate N with 171.9.
12:18Shuck, Gibbs, Walker, Garrett Wilson, Parker Washington, Isaiah Williams, Dalton Schultz, Jaylen Warren, and the Titans defense. Whirling Dervish, Shuck, Gibbs, Walker, Valay, Garrett Wilson,
12:29Parker Washington, Arondae Gadston the second, Jaylen Warren, and the Titans defense. And I played Nate's team, but I Or I No, sorry, I didn't. I I did Kyler,
12:39Gibbs, Walker, Garrett Wilson, P. Wash, Williams, Schultz. I did Hubbard over Warren and the Titans defense. And then
12:45I swapped for uh I I swapped Shuck for Kyler. Basically basically for the clean sweep equity. Um
12:56>> Now Now, Davis, let me ask you this.
12:58When you're doing the swap, are you universal swapping, or are you only doing it in 50/50s and double ups?
13:05>> Universal.
13:07>> Okay, because I maintain that in a situation like this, you can go for it and do it all in all
13:14the double ups and big field stuff, but when it comes to head-to-head, unless you're going through individual ones, do you just keep your best lineup
13:22and uh you know, and and and scrape back.
13:25You know what I mean? There is a a binary line in the in the 50/50s and double-ups.
13:32But in head-to-heads, if you have a 70th percentile outcome, you win 70%. If you have a 30th, you get 30.
13:38I don't think it's I don't think it's proper unless you're like looking at individual contests and you play too many to do that. But if you do, you can
13:45go through your big money ones and say, "Okay, I should swap here. I shouldn't swap here. This and that." But when I'm
13:50swapping, I think if I don't have time to go through them individually, just do all the 50/50s and leave your cat leave
13:56your head-to-heads alone. Like I I just think it's better. Nate, give me your take on that.
14:00>> I mean, realistically, the answer is is you just like Levitan talks about this all the time, but they're just such aliens out there
14:08playing stuff you can't even imagine that you like you probably just never swap.
14:13>> What in head-to-head?
14:15There's going to be enough sharp money in the in the big fields >> And and frankly, actually, if you look at the if you look at the ownerships of
14:22my team and of the big train in general, so Gibbs was only 74%. Garrett Wilson was only 76%.
14:30Um the Titans defense was 79%. So that gives you an idea that basically there is probably like 10% of the teams with Gibbs you assume
14:41are dead, 10% of the Garrett Wilson teams are dead, and then you're like, "So I'm really only needing to beat because I have Gibbs. So Gibbs is like
14:49you're automatically in the cashing range, right? Anyone who didn't play Gibbs is stone dead. So you've already eliminated 25% of the field. Then you
14:56really only need to beat 25% of the field uh that has the Gibbs teams, and you assume Gibbs and Wilson are not one-to-one
15:05owned. So you're probably beating some percent. I really just shouldn't I really just should not have swapped. It was a pretty bad swap. Although
15:12obviously the thing is is I love the clean sweep cuz it's so nice because obviously if Kyler So if let's say Kyler
15:19gets 17 and Tyler Lockett's 16, I literally would I you know I you win every contest you enter, more or less.
15:25Which does just feel really nice.
15:29And their projections were the projections were not far apart, right?
15:34Tyler Shuck for 19.4 Kyler for Okay, okay, that's more of a Honestly, it's more of a gap than I realized. 16.4. That's actually way more
15:44of a gap than I probably >> Oh, you took it in the shorts, Bubba.
15:47>> I Yeah, okay. Honestly if I had if I had looked at that a little bit closer, I probably would not
15:53have done it.
15:54>> [laughter] >> I should I just I honestly just assumed I assumed they were both like >> This is classic.
16:02>> I assumed they were both like >> we're on like >> It was the heat of the moment. It was the heat of the moment. It was the It
16:07was the heat of the moment.
16:08>> We're on year 11 of the Davis Maddock premature swapped. I mean, you know, Davis has done like three queen swaps in
16:15all these years where he just made all the money cuz of the swap and you're like It's like the one golf shot you
16:20hit. You you you you stick one like 3 ft from the green from 175 out and you're like, "Dude, I love golf." and it just
16:27like keeps you coming back for like ages. That's what's happened to you with these swaps, man. You need to You need
16:33to step away. Step away.
16:37>> Yeah, I mean, also like again, at the end of the day, like it's not like I could lose 15 weeks in a row
16:43in cash and it's not going to like change the reality of my life cuz I just don't play for life-changing money in
16:48cash cuz I don't think the edge is that big, right? I mean, these world like the the cash game streets are so tough. Like
16:55I over over time, I play less of my overall dollars in play in a weekend in cash games because they're hard. Everyone's pretty good.
17:06>> there's still an edge. I mean, you got guys paying $400 more for Chuba Hubbard over Jaylen Warren.
17:11>> [laughter] >> Like there's there's still an edge.
17:16>> It's more It's more just like Yeah, but even that even that is like very marginal.
17:22Like if like to know like okay, I'm going to get a thousand dollars in play in my whole day comes down to the
17:29difference between Jaylen Waddle and Chuba Hubbard.
17:32Like you sure if you get to run that infinity times, sure. But people used to be really bad at this. People used to be
17:40really really bad. They used to just be like you had access to good projections and you just weren't a fish, you were
17:46pretty good to go. And by the way, I mean this is still week three like imagine what the Pions are going to be
17:50like in week 11 when we're doing this, brother.
17:55Like we I remember I remember last year some of the trains getting ridiculous.
17:59Like there was there was some there was one week last year where the train was so big that the median result in the $50
18:08double up um was like you you you won, but you lost money.
18:14>> Yeah, you saw >> So many there were so many teams that had chopped in the $50 double up.
18:18>> Yeah, I mean week three the fact that we're getting Gibbs under 75% owned in cash games is still >> Yeah, like that like that that won't
18:27happen um in week 11 or whatever. But I mean >> I need to do a deep dive and figure out what did teams do that didn't play
18:34Gibbs? Cuz Gibbs was only 67% owned in the $25 double up.
18:39Craziness.
18:40>> Like >> What were people doing?
18:43>> Um >> 63% owned in the $25 double >> off, son.
18:47>> I assume those teams are playing McCaffrey.
18:52Right? I mean that has to be it.
18:54>> no idea that I'm genuinely confused. I don't know what you would do with the money.
18:59>> Um Yeah, I don't >> Play a good wide receiver three? I Pay up at tight end?
19:06>> Ryan Flournoy got owned. This looks like a huge train wreck.
19:10>> wins.
19:12Flournoy >> Flournoy was the other wide receiver that like the other punt receiver. So you had Valdes-Scantling, you had Williams, you had when Bateman was ruled
19:19out, I think a lot of people went to Flournoy. Um I saw some people go to Boston um for Cleveland, which I thought
19:25was actually kind of sharp, but yeah.
19:27>> Could have been Could have been people playing Josh Allen. Could have been Could Could have definitely been people playing Josh Allen.
19:34That's That's uh that's one possibility.
19:37All right, look. I mean, I'm going to eat the [ __ ] I was a big idiot for doing Hubbard over Warren, and I also
19:43really really really really really should not have swapped. But can we please talk about whirling dervish playing a Rondale Gadsden brother? Come
19:51on. Come on, man.
19:53>> Come on, man. I told you don't do this.
19:57>> Rondale Gadsden is crazy.
20:00>> Was it just fancy play? Like I mean, literally this guy legitimately could not beat out Charlie Kolar in cash in in
20:06in like all training camp. He's He's like He's literally behind Charlie Kolar and the dusty old uh
20:16uh Browns uh >> What's David Njoku?
20:20>> Yeah, Njoku. I mean, and you're like, I got to do it. I got to do it. What What was What was the thought process there?
20:26Obviously, Schultz didn't do it this week, but still, what was the thought process?
20:32>> Okay. So here's what happened.
20:36Taking care of these goddamn kids.
20:38I take them I take them to uh Sunday school, right? I'm driving at 9:30. This is Pacific time.
20:44So I get them there at 9:50, get them inside at 9:55 to you know, do their thing with their grandma. I get back to
20:50the car, and I look at my lineups, and I see that Zay Flowers is indeed uh looking good in warm-ups, and
20:57probably going to play. So what I had was Bateman at wide receiver three, Hockenson at 3,200 at tight end, which I
21:05didn't love. I did not love Hockenson.
21:08Hockenson sucks. Super low upside.
21:10Didn't feel great about the play, but I was very happy with every other element of the lineup to the point where I'm
21:15like, "Yeah, I can eat a dick at tight end. It's fine."
21:18I would much rather have a $3,500 Gadson or Shaheed. So, it's 9:55, 9:56. I'm like, "Oh, [ __ ] I have
21:27have to I have to do something here."
21:29Um and so, I say, "Okay."
21:33I had already worked out that Valdes-Scantling was going to be my swap at wide receiver three. I was just going to put him right in. Uh
21:39Valdes-Scantling has been playing quite well.
21:42Nate, I'm sure you have the Whopper numbers up, uh but he has been getting, I don't know, like seven, nine targets
21:47the first couple games in the dome, good environment uh in a in a non-defensive game where I thought a lot of points would be scored. I wanted to
21:55get If you're going to punt at wide receiver three, you kind of want them in a good game environment. I thought that
22:00Valdes-Scantling did that. And then that got me the extra 300 to pay up at tight end, and it was between Shaheed and
22:05Gadson.
22:07And I chose poorly.
22:12I'm taking the L here. And And the big issue you know, in my mind, I'm like, "Okay, Gadson projects a little bit better, at least
22:21through the stuff I was looking at, but you know, uh Metchie is dust. Um really hasn't You know, we're not sure about his health.
22:29Quentin Johnston's been awful.
22:31The tight end room there is, you know, really decimated. Uh they're going to need offense to hang with Buffalo.
22:38They'll probably be behind and throwing a lot. I like this opportunity for Gadson. I think Shaheed's probably better, but, you know, Gadson's shown
22:46this awesome ceiling that we saw for like a month and a half last year. And I didn't want to jet in my lineup. I was
22:53already playing Garrett Wilson, and I'm like, "Well, you know, better not mess around with Shaheed." Um and it's just a fat L because at the end
23:01of the day Kylen Granson is like a all world athlete, actual good player, and Irv Cansin the second is not. In fact, I
23:12hope that there is never an Irv Cansin the third. The bloodline should stop here. This [ __ ] guy got zero points.
23:20Zero points, straight up goose egg for 3,500 and it's not his fault.
23:25It's my fault. I'm taking the L. I could have had Kylen Granson's 27. He scored like 27 points. What did he score? Like
23:32so many points.
23:33And >> 26.5 >> 26.5 and I said no thanks, I'm good. I'm going to take the zero. Uh still made plenty of money
23:42because the rest of my lineup was sharp, but man, that is an insane L to take.
23:49Hate to see it. There were There was a time when I was a younger man where I was the cheap tight end whisperer.
23:55>> Ross Dwelley, people forget.
23:57>> I've never forgotten. Uh but I think I I I think I'm over the hill. I think it's jover for me. Uh this is This is a
24:05terrible L. I don't know what to say. A 26.5 V1.
24:09I mean, [ __ ] me.
24:12>> It's one of those You know what? I got to say it is one of those things where because we have seen Gadsden have good
24:17NFL games before, it does feel like oh Gadsden is more the safer, more reliable. Like that's the more reasonable choice. Whereas Siddiq, he's
24:26a little bit more of the unknown. But then when you really drill down into it, Siddiq actually much safer. Far less
24:35competition for targets per route. Now, the playing time not as safe because they have Rucker because they have Jelani Woods, because they have Andrew
24:44Beck or or whatever.
24:46But also lot more evidence that Siddiq is probably a good player. 16th overall pick in the NFL draft. Whereas Gadsden, as Nate mentioned,
24:56um you know, literally uh lost his job to Charlie Kolar and David Njoku. Not great. Not great on that. And the team like he was playing in the
25:06third quarter with their third string quarterback in preseason games. Like they they clearly were not that excited uh about about all all uh Arionda
25:14Gadsden. Now, frankly, the blade should have been given to you even more because Dalton Schultz was not even that expensive. And I don't They
25:24were trailing this whole game. I actually don't have any idea how Mr. Schultz ended up with only six points. I mean,
25:31this actually felt insane to me.
25:33>> The Dalton usage was weird. And honestly, so he ran only 22 routes and got like a 12% target share, 13% uh
25:44targets per route run. I don't know what happened. I'll have to dig into it. I'm guessing they just it was a slog of a game and they didn't
25:50have many pass attempts. But like yeah, I I I'm I'm shocked by this Dalton usage. I mean, with no Nico, I thought
25:57Dalton was going to be again in the 20% target share, 20% route run guy um or targets per route run and he just
26:05wasn't this week. But um but the Gadsden thing is still unacceptable.
26:12>> Egregious. Egregious. I you know, I mean >> Results aside.
26:16>> Schultz was $700 more. So what I wasn't going to do is play quote-unquote Isaiah Williams to get to Dalton Schultz. Um
26:24you know, I I I thought Bealey was like such a significantly better play.
26:29>> Yeah, dude. He [ __ ] smoked him, dude.
26:30Three for 39. [ __ ] Bealey kid.
26:33>> Yeah, smoked him. Um tough scene, but man, you tell me you tell me that it's going to be a 35-27
26:40game in the dome?
26:42Um I'm taking Bealey every time, man.
26:44Like it is it is what it is. Like where I played bad was not playing Cedeeque. Not not not paying up for Dalton Schultz. Dude,
26:52we we got our Dalton Schultz. We squeezed the orange last week. It was great. We got rich off him. Like congratulations to us.
26:59But Dalton Schultz is one of those Ponzi schemes where if you keep playing him over and over and over the results are predictable. Like the
27:06>> He like he is he is he is Dalton Schultz. Like at the end of the day he's Dalton Schultz. You know what I'm
27:12saying? Like at the end of the day I know at the yeah at the end of the day he's Dalton Schultz, yeah. So like I didn't
27:17play Schultz at all. Um >> But no.
27:20>> No. No. Dalton Schultz sucks, but Dalton Schultz is not the 20th 24th usage tight end on the week of a main slate like
27:28this. This was extreme results to not get him targeted with no Nico. I mean you play this game a thousand times
27:36this this has to be bottom percentile 20 like bottom 20 percentile usage outcome for him. Like he would he just wasn't targeted. He
27:44wasn't it this was not normal. I I'm not like I'm I'm all for Dalton Schultz sucks, but like dude, I mean he got less usage than
27:53Darnell Washington, Mike Gesicki, T.J.
27:56like Michael Mayer, Gunner Helm.
27:58Like he was >> Yeah, he he he ran bad. He ran bad, for sure.
28:02>> But yeah, I mean when you look at Shaheed's usage and and Shaheed's I mean Shaheed's targets per out run were in
28:0730% this week. Target share 20%. I mean this dude is just a stud and at 3,500 we yeah.
28:15Over Gadsden that was >> Gadsden?
28:19>> [laughter] >> Jesus Christ.
28:21>> red [clears throat] zone. Uh I played in the red zone. I played Geno Smith with Jahmyr Gibbs, Ken Walker, Garrett
28:28Wilson, Parker Washington, Isaiah Williams, Konyan Shaheed at 8.6%, Ashton Jeanty at 19.1% and the Raiders
28:38defense 12 points uh at 4%. So I played the Raiders instead of the Titans. I played Jeanty uh instead of Jaylen
28:46Warren.
28:48I frankly that lineup this morning projected at um This was like it was like an insane Sim ROI like like one of those crazy ones
28:59where you're like like the top one percentile rate was like 3%. So as soon as I saw that I was like boom absolute
29:05absolute shipper.
29:06>> Davis, I'm sorry. Did we did you have a segue there or did you just like skip out and start talking about some
29:12tournament lineup?
29:13>> Yeah, just skip the tight end talk.
29:14>> We were I I didn't need I did we we we done enough on Dalton Schultz brother.
29:18We we handled we handled we handled the Dalton Schultz.
29:21>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't need to be re-litigated.
29:24>> feel like we should talk about the Isaiah Williams like Devon Valley. Do we think the Isaiah Williams thing was >> No, I did it I I did it. We were right
29:32to do it. I'd do it again. Gino Gino had 300 [ __ ] whatever 321 passing yards.
29:37Yeah, I'm playing Isaiah Williams there 10 out of 10 times.
29:39>> And Isaiah Williams had one catch. What does that tell you about how good of a play he was?
29:44>> hey, we've done this we've Look, dude, we've done this a million times. We we played so many [ __ ] at
29:493K wide receiver before. I'd do it again.
29:52>> I mean he got three targets on 42 routes. I'm a little concerned that that was might have been a bad play. I'm I'm
29:57just a little concerned.
29:58>> How many how many how many routes did he run?
30:01>> 42.
30:03And he had three targets.
30:05>> I would do it I would do it again.
30:09>> Just not taking the L, huh?
30:11>> 40 42 42 routes like correlated with your quarterback?
30:16Yes, easily. Easily. I'll do it again.
30:20>> I don't I don't know how to help you Davis.
30:22>> He had he had nine he had nine targets last week. No, I'm not doing this with you guys. I'm I'm absolutely not doing
30:27this with you guys.
30:29I wouldn't I wouldn't have played Isaiah Williams in a like I did a Mahomes lineup in the spy. I would not have
30:34played Isaiah Williams in that lineup.
30:37>> Yeah, if you're trying to make real money you wouldn't play Isaiah Williams.
30:40But for your Ricky Cash >> you guys you guys are you guys are wrong. First off because I knew I actually was not surprised at the Isaiah
30:48Williams ownership. I knew it was going to come in hot. I knew the jet stuff was going to get over played, but it was a
30:55way to get I mean frankly the issue is is that I thought Gentee was like the play of plays. Like I just I was like I
31:02got to do Gentee. Obviously the whatever whatever the I guess the winning move on this lineup would have been what Jaylen Waddle instead of Gentee and
31:11then what like Debo or something and then this lineup is totally nutted.
31:16Does that does that work salary-wise?
31:18You save you save >> I I thought I thought Gentee I thought Gentee was a wonderful play. So >> The winning the winning lineup so there
31:26you go. I mean this the winning lineup had Dalton Schultz and Valey in it. So yeah, I'm not I'm actually I'm actually
31:32not taking in this from you guys and I'm saying that this is just a good [ __ ] lineup and if the Jeremy if the Jeremy
31:38Ruckert touchdown had been Isaiah Williams you guys would be being like dude Davis you're such a genius. You played Isaiah Williams. What a what a
31:44masterpiece. What a what a DaVinci Picasso you painted with Isaiah Williams. I no 42 routes 42 routes and you guys are telling me this is a bad
31:54play. No.
31:55No. Not having it dude. Michael Mayer scored in this game. Cody White scored in this game. You're telling me one of
32:02the Cody White touchdowns a 4-yard Cody White touchdown couldn't have been Ashton Gentee's touchdown. Come on.
32:09Come on.
32:10>> I I'm I'm down for the Ashton Gentee. I I loved him. So no no notes here on that. However uh
32:18you know Isaiah Williams just Dude you got to take the L here. Like what are we talking about?
32:23>> No no I'm not I'm not taking the L. I'm still talking about this. Like move on bro.
32:28I'm not I'm not taking I'm not taking the L on this because this is the this is the thing that we talk about all the
32:34time. This is the the onslaught. This is how you can get away with playing 13% owned Isaiah Williams. What you can't do
32:41is you can't do uh like chalk Josh Allen with uh with with Garrett Wilson, Isaiah Williams, and and um Dalton Kincaid. That's what
32:51you can't do.
32:53That you can't do it's Nate, we talk about this all the time. It's using the cheap shitty plays to get in the
32:58marginal chalk. Like the worst plays in DFS are the marginal chalk. Like the the honestly actually I I actually hate to
33:06say this. You know who's a dog [ __ ] play in the context of this lineup and this slate? It's actually Parker Washington
33:12who is very marginal chalk. His projection was good but not great and he was over owned relative to his optimal probability. Parker Washington
33:20>> 12 I just think 12% for a receiver who's getting three targets it on 42 routes is potentially bad ownership to eat in a
33:28lineup where you're like >> It's just that he was the only there were no other punt plays at wide receiver. There was no one else I mean
33:35maybe maybe like I don't even know what Wester did but Wester would have been the only other guy under 4K and
33:40projected to get routes.
33:44>> Yeah.
33:46Yeah, I'm just saying 12% for him it's it's tough to eat.
33:50>> Malik Washington >> Malik Washington, yeah.
33:54>> Malik Washington doesn't even that doesn't even [ __ ] exist to me, brother.
33:57>> Chris Bell Roman Wilson >> Dude, you're out here talking about Isaiah Williams.
34:02You're trying to >> Yeah, it's 42 He has 42 routes. You can't talk any [ __ ] about Malik Washington, my brother.
34:08>> 40 42 routes, brother. 42 routes.
34:12How is 42 routes like the ninth most of any It's got to be no, ninth most. It's probably like the fifth most of any
34:18player in the whole slate.
34:19>> Nate Nate, pull pull up the whopper.
34:22Let's let's >> The whopper was uh >> Yeah, whopper's bad when you don't get targets.
34:28>> Uh yeah, less than 20% whopper. Uh no, Michael Wilson had the most routes 53. But yeah, I mean he's up there.
34:35Isaiah Williams is up there in routes run for sure. Jets ran a ton of routes.
34:38>> Yeah, obviously he's up there in routes, dude.
34:41>> Okay.
34:42>> I'm putting in my >> Sammy pull pulls another turn of teams so we can get this off.
34:46>> Yeah, put it in Sammy's team on right now.
34:49>> Okay, I I I I I shipped you a a lineup, yeah.
34:52>> Yeah, you played you played the biggest donkey chalk in the [ __ ] world. I mean there's one thing there's one thing
34:57that I've learned, Nate. There's I I've I haven't learned a lot dealing with you cuz you're too annoying to listen to,
35:04but I have learned one thing from you, which is that the worst type of play in DFS is the slappy chalk, which is
35:12Jameson Williams. When when Jameson Williams projects not good, which he definitely did not project good, and he
35:21is 13% owned, that is as bad as it gets.
35:24Uh Sammy, what field is this in?
35:26>> This was in the big spy.
35:29The 400k.
35:30>> The big spy, 400k.
35:32>> Yeah, so I think it's like four 4,000 something people.
35:38>> All right, well.
35:40Um I'm going to guess I'm going to guess this Sims bad because it's got Jameson Williams at whatever his ownership is.
35:51>> Yeah, so let's let's let's tell the lineup to the people at home. I had Jared Goff stack with Gibbs and
36:00Jameson Williams.
36:02We had Jaylen Warren and Ashton Jeanty as the other two running backs.
36:08We had Garrett Wilson and Sadiq as the bring backs to that big uh Lions onslaught.
36:17And then we had the Steelers defense uh at home against Cincinnati.
36:23And I don't know what What to say here except uh I played Jameson Williams in an actual lineup that made some
36:30money. So, that's pretty awesome for me.
36:32>> Hey, my lineup made some money, too, but it [ __ ] had Isaiah Williams in it, which apparently is the worst play of
36:36all time.
36:37>> [laughter] >> But, you know, I wanted to onslaught this game. I was quite sure that I I heard plenty of scuttlebutt about
36:45Jameson Williams this week. I wasn't quite sure what his ownership would come in at. Do you guys have his pre-lock ownership
36:52by chance?
36:53>> Jamo?
36:55>> Yeah.
36:55>> Yeah, I do. And it's going to be way lower than whatever it was. Uh yeah, 6.3%.
37:00>> Yeah.
37:00>> Yeah, ETR has it at 8%. Um No, I I sorry, about 10%. So, it came in a little over and you know, that's
37:09that's to be expected if you have your finger on the pulse, you'll understand that like people are going to over-own this play.
37:16Um yeah, it's Jameson Williams week, you know.
37:19>> It's Jame- It's It's Waymo week, dude.
37:21It's Waymo week.
37:23>> Yeah, it's very very slappy-ish. It is what it is. But, >> honestly, just talk me I actually think this lineup's fine. I I have no issue
37:29with it. It's pretty good. Um but, talk to me about wanting to do um about playing Goff instead of just playing Geno.
37:39Cuz I feel like I feel like anytime I set up Detroit Jets stuff, I was like, "Oh, yeah, you got to just do You got to
37:45just do Geno instead."
37:47>> Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe it was a bad choice. I don't know. I just I just thought that Goff's upside was
37:53much more. I don't I I don't I don't have much more than that. I wanted to be on this side of it
37:58um as opposed to the other side, you know.
38:01Goff in the dome, like the guy throws for 300 always. He He ran bad here, I guess. But, yeah.
38:09>> What do you What do you have, Nate?
38:11>> Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it. I do like the Geno thing over Goff cuz I actually think the way that they play and the way that
38:18they're going to score like this is going to they're going to have similar outcomes here at just way less ownership. Um
38:26I mean, it's it's the chalkiest game to stack of the slate, but um I think the Cedee Lamb thing gets you off of it a little bit. So
38:36>> And And Malik Washington?
38:37>> Yeah.
38:38>> Yeah, what was What was >> Malik Washington 4% owned? Yeah, he's 4.2% owned.
38:44Um Um my kids are calling me, but I thought he I thought he was a good play. Um >> And he did pretty well. I mean, you
38:51know, not a smash and maybe he doesn't have the upside to quite win a tournament, so maybe that's a a problem
38:56there, but uh I I like Malik Washington.
38:59>> I mean, the the the the thing you have to do to like the the requirement, the way scoring is in
39:06the NFL now, you just you don't have to get that much out of your 3K, your 4K guys. Like scoring is
39:15like I our our brains are kind of warped I think a little bit from week one where everyone absolutely smashed, but like
39:21that's not in general the way the that the NFL is going. Like I I think like 185 will win the spy some weeks, you know?
39:31So like getting getting 11 out of Malik Washington is probably fine. A lot of time. There you go, Sammy. Very actually
39:37very positive Sim ROI. 156% Sim ROI. Uh respecting just respecting the line It's respecting the Lions onslaught.
39:48>> Yeah. Deserves respect. And you know, I mean, dude, we talked about this last week, but like Cedee his usage is just
39:55like completely off the rails.
39:57>> Oh, yeah. It wasn't wasn't today. Wasn't today.
40:00>> Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't great.
40:02>> He said that it was still really good.
40:04He just didn't score the touchdowns, actually.
40:06>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and and bad efficiency on the ground.
40:10Uh hate to see that cuz he had really good efficiency week one, not really bad last week, so a third week where his
40:15efficiency was not good.
40:17Um >> Yeah, he didn't score which sucks, but in this game environment against a questionable defense, um that kind of usage, man, it's you
40:25know, he's getting like top five NFL running back usage. And he came in at 20%. It's not like he wasn't owned, but
40:31I really like Jente this week.
40:33>> No, I I did I did as well. Washington scored a touchdown, Cody White scored a touchdown, Michael Mayer scored a
40:39touchdown, Bowers scored a touchdown from the four-yard line. Like that um these are these are still these are the the pre-lock numbers. Brian is working
40:49on a contest sim uh a post-lock contest sim, but we it's still being tested.
40:55Yeah, it's not 100% good to go. So, these are the pre-lock numbers.
40:59>> Sammy, this was the big spike you played in, the 400K?
41:02>> Yeah.
41:03>> I got a similar team in the 400K then. I can we can pull up cuz it's Yeah, I had a similar build to you.
41:09>> All right.
41:10>> Hit me. What was Cuz we're starting at >> Yes, I went Goff, Warren, Gibbs, Tucker, Trey Tucker, Jameson Williams,
41:20Amon-Ra, LaPorta, Schultz, Titans.
41:28>> Titans. Wow, you did you did Jamo and Saint Brown?
41:31>> Yes, I went full >> Um Schultz and then who was your flex?
41:39>> Uh LaPorta.
41:44>> Oh my god.
41:46Oh my god, bro bro said bro said ship it.
41:50>> Yeah, I wanted everybody.
41:52>> Goff, Gibbs, Warren, Saint Brown, Jamo, Trey Tucker, Schultz, LaPorta. I mean, frankly, I uh I I would just say I don't think I
42:01would ever play this lineup without a jet. I just I just would never play this lineup without a jet.
42:07>> Yeah, that's the one thing that I'm like, but I was was to get so much projection in while getting that
42:13correlation that I really felt solid about it. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see cuz I think Yeah, let's see what it says cuz I love
42:24the I mean, I love the onslaughts like this.
42:26>> This is going to be I would say I I I just know I I just know I know this is
42:30going to be crazy good Sim ROI because that's like the one thing the Sims have taught us over time is that the team
42:36onslaught stuff has crazy high Sim ROI.
42:39>> I'll just I'll just tell the listeners out there. I hope for all of you that you find somebody who loves you as much
42:46as Nate loves going to tight end. I mean >> And and Nate loves Trey Tucker, too.
42:51Nate loves [laughter] Trey Tucker.
42:56>> Yeah, this dude I I so I mean, I just know what I would have done in this lineup was I would have if I was really
43:02stuck on playing LaPorta, I would just do I would have done Garrett Wilson and Valdes-Scantling.
43:08Instead of Jameson and Trey Tucker.
43:12Or or whatever whatever [ __ ] whatever wide receiver. I mean, $5,000 Trey Tucker >> the worst. Yeah, Tucker was the worst
43:18play on here by far.
43:20Um and looking back, I didn't like I don't like Jameson at ownership, either. So, I probably yeah, if I could have those two pieces
43:29back and do something different, I wish I would have.
43:33>> Yeah. No, I I I think >> I'll be interested to see what it Sims at.
43:36>> Yeah, it's going to be it's going to be it is going to have positive Sim ROI.
43:40Although, you also just the Like I I get I get the logic for the two tight end stuff. I know why I mean,
43:48frankly, like we all know this. Like DraftKings, just the way the pricing works is tight ends are priced lower than if they were priced at wide
43:55receiver, right? Like so, you are getting a discount. I do just want And and just the way and at the NFL is
44:01working, there are fewer wide receiver threes um who and even wide receiver twos who score points these days. So, tight ends
44:13tight ends are much more valuable, but the the the transition of that is running backs are so much more valuable.
44:21The the ceiling comes with the running backs. Like every team I built this week had three running backs.
44:26>> And I and I think that that makes sense, but I do think tight ends are still being mispriced on DraftKings. And until
44:31they're priced accurately, which is like brought to the receiver range, it there's value there. And I think there's edge there. When you look at the routes
44:40that tight ends are running and where they're getting targeted on the field, the expected points that they're getting, the amount of athletic like
44:47correction that you'd have to make to make tight ends as value or less valuable than receivers is like very sharp. Like and I just you don't have to
44:56do that. When you look at expected production, you're just getting way more value on DraftKings at the tight end position than you are
45:02>> [snorts] >> at wide receiver. So, and running backs obviously you're paying for it. So, it's like Yeah, there's just not a ton
45:12>> You are, but I mean we had we had um >> Not with Jaylen Warren you weren't.
45:18>> I was going to say we had Warren, we had Hubbard, there you go. Two 221% Sam ROI, 5% top 1%.
45:25Yeah, I mean I I knew I knew it would it it always loves these lineups. Like you ever you ever want to make yourself feel
45:31good about a lineup, go put five guys from the same team in your in a lineup and then the computer will always love
45:36it.
45:37>> But you also still have to get good projection. You can't just do that and then go overpriced and not get Like I
45:43thought Jaylen Warren and Schultz and Titans D Like I I still was getting good projection at other spots.
45:50So, it wasn't just like oh, Jamison I don't know. But yeah, I always tend to build this way, but that's it was
45:58similar to Sammy's team just tilted a little a little more in the Detroit.
46:01>> And I will say, and this is probably kind of elementary for a lot of people, but maybe for some it isn't. You know,
46:08the the projection for DST, I don't think matters as much, right? Because it's just such a it's just such a weaker
46:16projection that you can take it more in the shorts at DST because big DST scores are like, you know, based off of kind of
46:23fluke plays. Um instead of like, oh, this guy's running this many routes or getting this many targets, things that like even out quicker. So, for me, like
46:33I just think differentiating at DST is kind of almost always the right thing to do. Um I don't know if that's really
46:41captured in the Like, who What What DST did you play on this team, Nate? I can't see.
46:45>> Titans.
46:46>> Yeah, see that >> Titans got it blocked, but >> It's To me, that's I don't I wouldn't do that. Um
46:54Yeah, I just I just don't think this lineup is like unchalky enough to to like take a chalky DST. I think you
47:04can just like play a similar DST >> Well, it it is it is it is um un- it is unchalky in the sense that
47:14like the combo ownership of all these lines together, like Nate was probably the only lineup in the whole tournament that had five lines.
47:22>> Yeah, Sammy, like it's only like 10% more owned than your total team. Like it I think it had 152% ownership and your
47:27team had 142.
47:29Um >> Yeah, and and probably the DST was different cuz like I played Pittsburgh's, you know, and I had another tourney lineup where I played
47:37the Buccaneers. You know what I mean?
47:39Like >> Yeah.
47:40>> If If there's If there's a If there's a chalk DST lineup, I mean, man, I'm doing everything I can to not
47:47play it.
47:49>> That's fair. I The one I I don't really sweat defense here. I think the biggest thing I'm sweating on this lineup is
47:55just the J' Melo Tucker thing. Those are the two that I feel most bad about in this lineup. But the I
48:01would build the main piece of this lineup over again.
48:04>> Yeah. I mean I I wouldn't I wouldn't play Trey Tucker again.
48:08But >> [laughter] >> I mean Nate's Nate's just like threaded the needle with Trey Tucker, you know?
48:14This is boy.
48:16>> He just He just lives it out. Um all right. Well, Stafford just missed Terrance Ferguson for a wide open 40-yard touchdown. So that is our
48:23uh >> Oh, no.
48:25>> That's our That's our key to move on here. Uh everyone make sure like the video, subscribe to the channel, and
48:30I'll be back with you guys for the bag check.