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0:52You're about to listen to the Late Round Fantasy Football Show, which originally aired on YouTube.
0:57If you'd like to catch the show live this off-season, you can head to the Late Round Fantasy Football YouTube channel, youtube.com slash atlateroundff.
1:05We'll be live each Wednesday at noon Eastern. Without further ado, here's this week's episode.
1:10Welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in. It's the Late Round Fantasy Football Show.
1:14I'm David Kitchen, a.k.a. just here to hang out.
1:17You know, just here to hang out. Titles don't even matter.
1:20And I'm here with a guy who you might have heard of, J.J.
1:24Zacharysen. And JJ, how are you today? A.k.a. just here to hang out.
1:28Is that what we're supposed to call you now?
1:31So I got to tell you a quick story that's related to that.
1:35So my wife and I will go out with the kids often.
1:39We've talked about this, how I rollerblade while my kids ride bikes.
1:42My wife rides a bike now and stuff. She got a new bike.
1:47And so the kids and my wife are riding bikes.
1:50I'm riding my rollerblades, which for the record, guys, I do wear a helmet.
1:54OK, earlier on, I wasn't wearing a helmet. I wear a helmet.
1:58Don't worry about it. OK, I am. I am wearing a helmet.
2:02And so the one day we go out and we go on the greenway that's pretty close to our house and we're riding along.
2:09Right. And then my daughter, who's older than my son, she wants to go on kind of an adventure.
2:15And so her and I leave. And then my wife was with my son, CJ.
2:20OK. And as they're riding. So I'm out of the picture.
2:23You know, Avery and I are doing some crazy stuff as as they're riding on this greenway.
2:28People are going by them, you know, because they're on walks and stuff like that.
2:33And this one older woman walks by and you know how like grandma aged women are when they see a kid.
2:40They're just like they'll say something. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
2:42Yeah. And so they look down at CJ, who's three.
2:46OK, they look down at CJ and they go, wow, you're doing a great job.
2:50And then CJ looks up at my wife and he says, why they call me great job?
2:56I see Jay and I'm doing a good job.
2:58So it reminded me with your with your intro of what we should be calling you just here to hang out.
3:05Yeah. Yeah. Why? Why they say just here to hang out.
3:08Everything now is just related back to that. I was going to say you're number two like I used to.
3:15And then I was like, I can't do Brandon like that.
3:18I'm just like to your number. I can't say a number two employee.
3:22Yeah. Maybe number two employee. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
3:25Last week. Schedule. Out. Done. Finished. Yeah. And then we also announced something on our end.
3:30So I'm going to take off the schedule part of this, JJ.
3:34And I'm going to put something new. And that is, well, I'm not going to put the date because, you know, you're going to put the date.
3:42I was going to say that's on you. That's on you.
3:46But the day things can change. But I will put a question mark and I will just say days until new.
3:52Late round dot com. Yeah. So we put an image out there to let everyone know that a new late round dot com is coming.
4:00It's coming very soon. I've been talking about on shows and with the discord members and such that we've been working on
4:07a lot of stuff over this offseason. And we have.
4:10And one of those things is a new website.
4:13You guys have been seeing the website on late round dot com for four years now that I built.
4:19I did everything for that. I mean, I don't know if people know.
4:23Like I have somewhat of like a background in like front end web development and stuff like that and design.
4:29And so like I can do that kind of stuff to a degree.
4:33It's just that I changed my careers and I haven't really I hadn't really touched that stuff for like a decade.
4:40And then I just got thrown back into it because I'm an entrepreneur.
4:44And I'm like, oh, I got to be lean and just build a website and put it out there.
4:50And it worked for what I needed for the last four years or so.
4:54But we are changing things up pretty dramatically with the business and such.
4:58And it should be happening very, very soon. I don't want to put a date out there.
5:03Yeah. Yeah, because it's not worth it. We do have a date in mind and it's coming very soon.
5:09And that's I would just say this teaser. Make sure you're signed up for the newsletter.
5:14Yes. That would be key. Yes. Yes. It is key that you sign up for the newsletter.
5:20We've got some fun stuff happening. We have some people, you know, this is an interactive show.
5:25And so we like to get down and nerdy on this show.
5:29And Pat said, since Kitchen didn't intro improperly, all hell corporate fantasy overlord, J.J.
5:33Zacharysen. Yeah, that's me. That's me for sure. I also saw a question about speaking of Brandon.
5:38Yes. Brandon Gadula. When can we get him on a stream?
5:42Well, folks, just so you guys know, we're doing this on Tuesday this week, this show, because I am going away for
5:49there's a lot of stuff going on in my hometown in Pittsburgh.
5:52And so we're going to go to Pittsburgh, family wise and stuff, all good things.
5:57There's no funeral or anything. And we're going there for a chunk of this week.
6:02And so we had to reschedule this. And I am also recording late round perspectives for this week.
6:07And for those of you who are listening right now, you get a little sneak peek.
6:12The guest is Brandon Gadula. We can never give a perspective sneak peek like ever.
6:17I know, but I am this week because it's the offseason and we only have the diehards that are listening right now.
6:24So I'm actually recording it right after this. So you guys will see in the video, I'm wearing the exact same thing.
6:31And I think about that all the time. I wonder if people like Brandon's in chat.
6:36I wonder if people who consume all of our content and our video content, because there are some days where I record
6:43because we do this show on Wednesdays. There's some days where I record perspectives on Wednesday and then it releases Friday.
6:49And so I wonder if people have made the connection of like, oh, wait, he's wearing the same thing that he did for the late round show.
6:58Yeah. Yeah. It's it's funny how that works. Some people just order multiples of the same thing.
7:03Yeah. Guys, kitchen gave me a hard time for ordering five.
7:07I didn't give you a hard time about about like the actual hoodie.
7:11You did. It's it's the brand is DT Wu.
7:13If they want a sponsor, feel free. It's like a golf hoodie kind of shirt thing.
7:18It's like they're very nice. Very nice. Kitchens. Apparently, did he get one?
7:22He got one. Wait a second. You got one after giving me such a hard time.
7:27This is unbelievable. Look at this. You gave me such a hard time about buying these hoodies and you went out and bought one of the hoodies.
7:36What on earth? Crazy. It's comfortable. I saw you wearing it.
7:39It's comfortable. I wanted to get one. And and yeah, this is like an NFL team making fun of what the Rams
7:46did last year and then drafting a bunch of tight ends this year in the draft.
7:51That's exactly what this is. This is crazy. It's a great hoodie, though, isn't it?
7:56You open that up. So like I couldn't have asked for a better.
8:00I can't believe it's just sitting right next to you.
8:03You could just put it on because I almost in our meeting yesterday.
8:07I almost put it on. I'm like, no, I'm going to save it for this show.
8:12Oh, my gosh, man. That was a really good.
8:15That was a great segue. Shout out DT Wu.
8:18Extra O not sponsored yet. You know, maybe we need to reach out to DT.
8:22Bro, I'm telling you what. It's one of the most versatile hoodies.
8:26You will. You can wear it when it's cold.
8:29You can wear it where it's a little bit warm.
8:32I mean, it's just it's just a great, great hoodie.
8:35And I have I wore one of them on at Radio Row when we interviewed Mac the one day.
8:41Maybe a fantasy football collections in the works like a summer dad fantasy football collection.
8:46Oh, if we get some DT Wu late round apparel.
8:49My goodness. My goodness. That would blow up. OK, I wasn't expecting it to turn it quite into this.
8:55But again, you lob the perfect softball. So it's the off season.
8:59We can get weird. And if people in the comments want to yell at us, they can yell at us.
9:05We're just having fun. That's right. All right. So, yeah, make sure you're signing for the newsletter and look for some really cool.
9:12Kyle said Rams running 13 personnel, JJ running 15 sweatshirts.
9:15Yeah, I wasn't making fun of this sweatshirt. Just to be clear, is the fact that he he bulk ordered, you know, 15 of them.
9:23And I both ordered five and they were all different colors and patterns.
9:27These are what genius people do, though. You hear about.
9:30I don't want to think about what I'm putting on every day.
9:34Yeah, that's right. You guys will see me wearing my Dickies T-shirts almost every stream.
9:39This time I'm not wearing I'm wearing a salty dog cafe one.
9:42But like, look. If you don't have to make that decision in the morning, it's a fantastic feeling.
9:48Or I guess after I usually shower after a workout.
9:51So I'm like, you know, it's a little bit later in the morning.
9:55But regardless, we don't have to make that decision.
9:58That's one fewer decision you have to make. And as a CEO of a company.
10:03I'm just kidding. We can move on. Okay. With that being said, let's just let's get on to it.
10:09It's today's news. Today's fantasy news. All right, JJ.
10:12We are leading. I figured you want to talk about Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers.
10:16So this is a shock to many. And I'm sure you're one of them.
10:21Yeah, the person who's been drafting Aaron Rodgers everywhere in basketball.
10:24Yeah. Look, do I think the Steelers needed to do something like this?
10:28Not necessarily. I think that they're just kind of stuck in this like purgatory.
10:32Make the playoffs. Losing the first round kind of vibe.
10:36I will say, I think the Steelers roster is not that bad.
10:39Like overall, the defense played a lot better down the stretch last year.
10:43And the one thing that I think is going unnoticed and not talked about enough with the Steelers team is that Mike
10:50Tomlin, say what you want about him. You know, I'm not, you know, I think that he was fine and good and a good head coach.
10:58And I think that Mike McCarthy in some probably a downgrade, you know, from a Mike Tomlin, but they bring something different to the table.
11:06Mike McCarthy, obviously a more offensive minded coach. Mike Tomlin, not that way.
11:10And he's definitely more of that, like just standard leadership style of coaching and players coach.
11:15But the thing that's going sort of like not talked about enough is that there's a brand new coaching staff beyond the head coaches.
11:23There's a brand new coaching staff in terms of OCD.
11:26I mean, the OC, we have very little information on just based on his history.
11:31But like, you know, there's there's there's coordinator changes.
11:33And anytime that we see that objectively in the fantasy space, we say to ourselves, OK, this invites more variants because we don't know for sure.
11:42But there is more variants, right? Like there is the idea that this could actually go a lot better than what it
11:48was last year, because there are pieces on this Steelers team that are high end pieces.
11:53Now, if I were running the Steelers, I would have a couple of years ago traded T.J.
11:59Watt and done a full rebuild and gotten a lot of capital out of that and kind of moved on that way.
12:06But that's not where they are right now. You know, and where they are right now is that they have a team that can be competitive.
12:14I mean, we saw that. Remember, they went into Detroit last year and they won that game like, yeah, we saw them
12:21hit a ceiling at times last year. And I would argue that the roster right now today looks better on paper than
12:27it did last year, especially on the offensive side, especially the weapons that they have when they, you know, they add Michael Pittman.
12:35They draft Jeremy Bernard, you know, the backfield. Obviously, they lose Kenneth Gainwell, but Rico Dowdell's there and Jalen Jalen Warren.
12:41I think the offensive line should be strong. So all of that combined are strong enough.
12:46All of that combined. I can understand, you know, them needing Aaron Rodgers to be on the roster.
12:52You know, is he going to be fantasy relevant?
12:55What's this going to look like? I look at last year's numbers with Rodgers unreal conservative, and I think we're going to still see a pretty conservative Rodgers.
13:03He's always been conservative in the way that he has approached his throws is why his interception totals have always been really low.
13:11The difference, though, is that he had the escapability and the arm to be able to do some crazy things down the
13:17field before to make up for that, whereas he just dumps it off now all the time.
13:23I'm I am hoping, though, that the additions at wide receiver to Pittman with Pittman and Jeremy Bernard, you know, kind of
13:30like profile as lower a dot players could really help out him not just simply dumping the ball off as much as
13:37he did last season and being as conservative as he was last year.
13:41So my take on Rodgers and the Steelers from like a fantasy angle and stuff, I think that, you know, I think
13:47DK Metcalf has been overvalued in best ball throughout the offseason so far.
13:52I think that still holds true because I think there's a non-zero chance Michael Pittman just outscores DK Metcalf this year in general.
13:59And then Jeremy Bernard obviously being there fine as a dart throw if you want to, because the slot role in that
14:06Mike McCarthy offense is usually somewhat valuable. I think they're going to run a decent amount of 11 personnel.
14:12It's going to be a very different offense than what we saw with Arthur Smith.
14:16So from that perspective, there's a little bit of excitement, you know, as like a fan, if you're a fan of the
14:23Steelers, I think that at least you'll see a probably more competent team than you otherwise would if they had like Will Howard or Mason Rudolph.
14:31I think the big question is one of these quarterbacks is either good.
14:35I mean, they're either going to have to practice squad drew aller somehow, or they're going to have to cut Mason Rudolph or Will Howard, right?
14:43Because most teams will roll with three quarterbacks. And I think that Mason Rudolph is probably the easiest one to keep because of his experience and such.
14:52Like he's a backup quarterback. Like he could at least do that.
14:56And so it's really interesting how like two months ago, there were all there was all this talk about Will Howard being the starter this year.
15:04And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, like there's at least some chance.
15:08I'm not saying it's happening. There's at least some chance he's not on the roster this season, you know?
15:14So that that to me is going to be an interesting storyline to watch.
15:19Yeah, this is again with OTAs starting. People are taking video clips.
15:22It's yesterday. There were some like Titans slow-mo of Cam Ward to Carnell Tate and people are getting all, you know, just let's go.
15:30Let's go. Another thing that happened, JJ, was that there was a clip and it was it was like a Rogers underneath route to Pittman or somebody.
15:38Yeah. Someone noticed that Caleb Johnson was with the ones and boy, did this spread around the, you know, the fantasy football dynasty social media like wildfire.
15:47Yeah. And it shouldn't have because Rico Dowdle and Jalen Warren weren't practicing.
15:51So yeah, Caleb Johnson's probably their RB three. And I think we already knew that, you know, going into this.
15:57So I'm not really, I mean, he's another player where it's gonna be interesting because I don't know how they view Eli Heidenreich.
16:04And what if Eli Heidenreich has a great camp, which I wouldn't be shocked if that happens at all.
16:10He's a he's a great athlete. Yeah. And you know, he's a he's he would he seems like he would be a player that coaches just love.
16:19And so how are they viewing him? You know, like what position is he going to play?
16:24And if they want to carry three, however, I don't like I don't know how they want to approach this.
16:30So I'm not, you know, I it's really funny.
16:33I saw like I saw multiple tweets after the clip went out of saying like, not a bad idea to throw a
16:40fourth round pick Caleb Johnson's way in your rookie draft.
16:43And it's like, guys, first off, if you want to do that, fine.
16:47I think I even wrote about that in the year two part of the of the prospect guide.
16:53But it has nothing to do with this clip.
16:56Nothing. That clip is so beyond irrelevant. I can't even explain.
16:59Yeah. People are just they're just thirsty right now for some some news, some some movements up and down, you know, like the schedule release last week.
17:07This is not on the news list. But what did you think?
17:11I know you're a quarterback on Netflix viewer. What do you think of this year's lineup?
17:16It's pretty good. I'm not as in the court.
17:19I'm not like like I think one time I sent a tweet out that said that it was like overrated or something and I got destroyed.
17:27Oh, my God, I got destroyed. Part of it is because I love I think one of the best.
17:33Best documentaries is the full swing one. The golf one on Netflix.
17:37And, you know, I like golf a lot, but like I'm more of like a casual golf fan where like I get into the majors.
17:45I'll watch some tournaments outside of that. But then I think that golf is cool because you just get to learn these
17:52like individual players and their personalities and stuff. And full swing really allows for that with football.
17:57I don't know. I don't know if it's like I think part of it is that I know football too intimately to
18:04like really fall in love with some of the documentaries that they do.
18:08I like the off the field stuff a lot.
18:11Like I always used to like hard knocks. I just kind of like lost interest as I got more and more into the analysis side of things.
18:19But yeah, the lineup looks good. The lineup. I hear you.
18:22It's got Joe Flacco. Yeah. For, you know, your doppelganger.
18:26Friend of the show. Yeah. It's got Cam Ward who.
18:29Not yet friend of the show. Yeah. No, he's a friend.
18:32Actually, no, he's not a friend. He's family. He's family around here.
18:36And then Baker Mayfield. Who's like a character. Yeah.
18:39You know, he had his own commercials back in the day.
18:42And then Jane Daniels. So I think it's a good lineup.
18:46It's a good lineup for sure. The one Jane Daniels is really interesting because he's always been pretty protective of his like
18:52outside off the field image slash doesn't share a ton seemingly.
18:56Like and so like I think we kind of understand what Baker is.
19:00And, you know, I mean, I guess Cam Ward, we don't know enough yet just because he hasn't been in the league that long in the Flacco.
19:08We just kind of know what we're going to get.
19:12But Jane Daniels is pretty interesting. Okay. I'm glad you said Jane Daniels.
19:16We're just going to go down a few more spots.
19:19Big booty rumors. Hey, Sean Booty. Reportedly, you can get him for a fifth or six.
19:24If the Patriots get their wide receiver, which has been rumored to happen, Booty could go somewhere and make a little bit of a difference.
19:32Yeah. I mean, we were talking about it earlier on discord.
19:35I've been drafting booty in best ball in like the 18th and 19th round because I think there's a chance that we
19:42just like right now, I think is is ADP suppressed because people know that he's going to get traded and they're like,
19:49oh, if a team's letting him and I agree if a team is is willingly letting a wide receiver go like that,
19:56then, you know, why would we want to want to go after that player or like draft that player?
20:02But the one thing you have to keep in mind with players like like booty is that he's certainly not like a
20:08stud and he's entering his fourth year. And so with him entering his fourth year, he's going to be looking for another contract.
20:16And this is the Patriots getting ahead of them having to resign him or just not, you know, not resign him and
20:22them knowing they're getting AJ Brown and them saying, hey, Kayshawn booty, we can get something for him right now when we're
20:29not going to use him that that much next year because Kyle Williams can probably play that field stretching role if need be.
20:37And so we're going to try to get some capital for him right now as opposed to getting nothing for him next
20:43year when he doesn't do that much for us anyway here in 2026.
20:47So I we were talking about this on discord and you brought up the question of like, wait, did he play with Jaden Daniels?
20:55Yeah, he played with Jaden Daniels at LSU. So there is that connection.
20:59That's kind of interesting because I think that if you look at Washington, you know, there's been rumors about Iuke and et cetera.
21:06But if you look at Washington, they have no clear cut boundary wide receiver to right now.
21:12And Antonio Williams, I think, can play the Z.
21:14And I think they've already hyped that up. And, you know, I've drafted him a ton, but there's a lot of question marks about that.
21:22And I think that they would probably be cool with some of that depth.
21:27And you combine that with him. I have no idea what their relationship is like.
21:31Like, we're just making an assumption that it would be some sort of connection.
21:36But there is a an LSU connection between booty and Jaden Daniels.
21:39So I'm not going to be surprised if they like they miss out on like a digs or, you know, if they
21:46if they really want to make a move to improve their wide receiver room, I could see them trading like a sixth
21:53for booty and just have that guy who can play on the outside.
21:57Yeah, he had like a stellar first couple of seasons there at LSU.
22:01And there was rumors of like first, second round draft capital.
22:05And then he had it. Yeah, look, he was a good prospect.
22:08I remember the zap model liked him a lot as a day three pick.
22:13He was an early declare. You know, he had that.
22:16I think his good year was the shortened season.
22:19It was the COVID. It might have been the COVID season.
22:22And so but yeah, he had some between the ears type stuff going on where he just couldn't bring it all together.
22:29And I thought that he like I think that he's a pretty good NFL player.
22:34Like he's not going to like be studly. But I think he's definitely someone who could be in a situation like Washington's.
22:41He could be a wide receiver two or three.
22:43Yeah, absolutely. All right. This is how down bad the cards are right now is that Brissette is holding cards hostage.
22:50What are they going to do there? I think I saw I saw Sigmund Bloom send a tweet that was a friend of the show Sigmund.
22:58And Sig says, has there ever been a worse quarterback holding out?
23:02Yeah. And I think it's true. I don't think that there has been like it's it's crazy.
23:07Like Jacoby Brissette, you know, we loved him for what he did in fantasy and they threw the ball a lot in Arizona.
23:14You guys can listen to the show that I dropped today on sort of what I learned through projections.
23:20I talked a lot about Arizona and how I'm not super bullish on them.
23:25But Brissette last year was like 23rd in EPA per drop back.
23:28You know, like he was not. And that's that's that includes EPA per drop back numbers or like completion percentage over expected and stuff.
23:36Those numbers are looking at are also not really accounting for like garbage time and like easier coverage and stuff like that.
23:43Like the the things that, you know, he took advantage of to a degree, you know, in that system last year.
23:49I just I think it's it's kind of foolish for us to assume that Brissette is any sort of answer.
23:56He could be. I'm just saying from like a range of outcome standpoint is any sort of like real genuine answer.
24:02And then on top of that, that if he does sign that he's going to play the full season, I just I don't.
24:09So from Arizona's perspective, what is the point in giving Jacoby Brissette a huge contract that he might want just simply because
24:16he's a starter when you're you're you know, you have longer vision goals as opposed to 2026.
24:22So it's a really weird situation from that perspective.
24:24Yeah. Yeah. Like Jake one said, let you go.
24:27He said as a cards fan, I won early pick.
24:30Yeah, I know tanking isn't really how the NFL works as a fan.
24:34I say start the worst quarterback. Yeah. And we've talked about this before.
24:38Just see what you have. Right. That's what I'm saying.
24:42They're going to have to. They're going to. Yeah, they're going to probably not be a good team.
24:47They're going to have to see what they have in Carson Beck.
24:51They can't not do that at some point this year.
24:54If they don't, that's just malpractice. That's really bad ownership and coaching, especially because he's an older prospect.
25:00You know, it's not like he's Anthony Richardson, you know, where you're just it's all tools based.
25:05It's like, no, this guy is is a veteran rookie, if you will.
25:09You know, so you want to see what you have so that when you go into the draft the following year, you know exactly what you're working.
25:17Yeah. All right. There was a report that the Philadelphia Inquirer's Jeff McClain.
25:22Saying that the Eagles are going to have a Shanahan McVay influence and.
25:26That the OC is going to have full control of this team.
25:29I mean, yeah. On the Eagles, JJ. Yeah, I like I mean, I talked about Saquon on the podcast today.
25:36You know, Kevin Petulo, I thought was the worst offensive coordinator in football last year.
25:40If you look at the, you know, like every everything that teams do to confuse defenses, it dropped when Kevin Petulo became offensive coordinator last year.
25:48Now, Kellen Moore was their offensive coordinator the year before that, and he's obviously a good coach.
25:54But still, like you look at how they ran RPOs.
25:57You look at how much motion they had, the play action rate.
26:01Everything was now. And then you look at the routes that AJ Brown and Devontae Smith were running.
26:06It was just a bland, vanilla, terrible offense. And in my opinion, I would much rather blame, put the blame on that
26:13change in Kevin Petulo as opposed to saying Saquon Barkley's dust.
26:17Because when I watched Saquon Barkley last year, I don't think that it showed that he was just complete dust.
26:23We were going to see regression for sure from the previous year.
26:27It was almost impossible not to, but I don't think Saquon Barkley is completely done.
26:31You know, any running back can get hurt. It's just the way that the positions played.
26:36And yes, he's getting up there in age a little bit more.
26:40But I think this offense should see a little bit of a turnaround.
26:44And look, the idea that this offense is going to look different.
26:48First off, anyone that compares it to like Shanahan McVay, that's just what every new offense coordinator is going to do and say.
26:55You know, it's like this is another McVay Shanahan system and whatever.
26:59But, you know, they did do things in the draft that point to that possibility.
27:03Makai Lemon, very much a player who can fit that mold, very good out to the catch, you know, and can like
27:10that's why he was linked to the Rams the way that he was.
27:14And then they go out and they get Eli Stowers.
27:17And that signals to me that at least here in 2026, we could see, you know, a little bit of a little
27:24bit more 12 or, you know, get get some versatility in it.
27:28Because Stowers being the tweener, I've said this before.
27:31I think that the movement with heavier personnel that we're seeing, a lot of teams, if I were to sum this up
27:38and almost dumb this down, my thinking about it, is that these teams like the Jags, you know, Gladstone comes out and
27:45he's like, well, this is the meta and teams are going heavier.
27:48So we're going to go heavier too. And we're going to draft these tight ends in this draft.
27:54But they're not thinking about the type of tight ends that work and that makes sense in these sort of in these groupings, right?
28:02Like if you look at what the Rams did last year, they took Terrence Ferguson, who's very much more of a on
28:08the Eli Stowers spectrum than he is the, you know, a blocking tight end spectrum.
28:13And when you look at, you know, them getting Max Clare this year, that was to me more of a future pick
28:20because they have, you know, Colby Parkinson's getting older, Tyler Higbee or Colby Parkinson's a free agent next year, Tyler Higbee getting older.
28:27They're thinking about the future as well. And Clare is more of like an all around just solid, really good tight end.
28:34But I think that what's being missed is the versatility aspect of these tight ends.
28:39You don't just want to get a bunch of Charlie Colars.
28:42I don't know why I would bring him up when everyone knows I can't say his last name.
28:48I don't know why they would, you would get a bunch of him out there when the whole point is that you
28:55can change things at the line and take these, these, these crazy pieces and, and, and use them as chess pieces across the line.
29:02And that's what the Rams did last year. Like I've said a million times, they would come out and they would use
29:09their tight ends in 11 at times, right? Like this is not a simple, just draft tight ends.
29:15And if you have it, you have to use them as chess pieces.
29:19And I think what the Eagles did in the draft pointed to us, this is why I kept saying this in the
29:26podcast pointed to us that they have at least some plan.
29:29Jalen hurts is not thrown to the middle of the field very frequently, but there's clearly a plan to do that a little bit more.
29:37It just brings a little bit more variance for their fantasy profiles, but I think that they're all capable.
29:43I've been a, I think Jalen hurts gets a lot of, of just unnecessary, unnecessary crap from people about his quarterbacking ability, right?
29:50When he has peaked like the super bowl two years ago or the super bowl three years ago, both super bowl games.
29:57He was great. He was fantastic. If we know that's in him, put the pieces around him and he could do very, very well.
30:04So I'm, I'm bullish on the Eagles offense in general.
30:07I've been drafting a lot of Devante Smith. So, okay, let's, let's group these, both these running backs together.
30:13Bucky Irving said he should be ready for training camp.
30:17Um, and cam scataboo said that he should be ready for week one, but scataboo saying it is the, he was talking
30:23about like not being able to, or figuring out how to trust his ankle.
30:28Yeah. That was just such a gross injury. It, I was a little bit concerned about the, uh, the scataboo, uh, clip,
30:35but are you nervous about either of these guys?
30:37I'm trying to stay afloat with scataboo and best ball right now, just to give you guys an idea of where my head's at.
30:45So like I'll draft him, but I'm not trying to be overweight at the moment just because he's going like mid forties right now.
30:52Yeah. Right. And there's, that's such a good wide receiver range.
30:56Right. So it's, it's hard to really, for me to, to be super overweight, the Bucky stuff scares me because there, the,
31:03we didn't even realize that this was as big of a deal as it was until like last week when we talked about it.
31:10And Kenneth Gain was a very capable pass catcher.
31:13Sean Tucker is a very capable early down runner.
31:16And again, I'll say it like Bucky Irving just is scary from the standpoint of like, he could be a between the
31:23twenties kind of player or it's valuable in real football, but it's not as valuable in fantasy football.
31:28And so with the, like the words like should instead of will be, you know, like that scares me that it should be and not will be.
31:37Uh, so I, I, I think, you know, Bucky's been, I don't want to say a total fade for me so far.
31:44I haven't been drafting him that much. I, I, at the very least I'm drafting more Kenneth gain well than I am Bucky Irving right now.
31:52And I have a ton of Sean Tucker for, you know, 19th round picks and stuff.
31:57Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, that, that's kind of where I stand with Bucky.
32:01It's a, it's a really weird situation. I said it a lot, I think last week too, you know, like he had
32:08the, the, it seemed like mental health related things related to his injury last year.
32:13And I think that that's something that we have to at least consider as well now.
32:18Yeah. Um, we have just a little footnote where a Cowboys beat writer said Malik Davis currently has the edge is running back to.
32:26Yeah. You just had to throw that out cause you're in Malik Davis truther now.
32:30No, no, I'm not a point. David's truth. They're just like, he's the only running back to who does not have like,
32:37who is like being undrafted right now. So I get it.
32:41He's not the best, but that's that I'm just reporting the news.
32:44J I'm we're in our, you, we have your insiders league, which by the way, siege has been on the clock for like 36 hours.
32:52But, uh, Malik day I have two, two guys in queue.
32:56Cause I have one more pick in the sixth round and Malik Davis is one of them because he's one of two people still available.
33:03There you go. Yeah. Uh, all right. Uh, had someone in the chat say Tucker's year.
33:08I would be pleased. Yeah. If you know, you know, yeah.
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33:51today's data all right jj we have a lot right here and some people will be listening on the podcast so uh
33:57tell us what tell us what we're looking at yeah i first got to make there's a comment on here that says
34:04jj's yearly gainwell shill which is not wrong i'm a pretty big kind of game well guy uh all right what we're
34:11looking at here is something i alluded to on the podcast about jackson smith and jigba this is looking at year over
34:18year yards per target since 2011 and it's basically showing regression so i'm looking at players who had a minimum 50 targets
34:25in year n so the current year and then year n plus one so what happened the following year if you look
34:32at the metric yards per target the average i looked at all players who had over 10 yards per target in year
34:39n and then showed what they did in year n plus one so of this sample their average was 10.75 their median
34:46was 10.45 they fell on average by about two yards uh per target which is not insignificant that's that's that's a decent
34:52chunk of that those those 10 yards and you can see in the chart if you scroll over a little bit um
34:59you can see in the chart that there's a line that i drew that shows the charts huge it is well you
35:06don't need the individual names you can just show the the so what the chart is showing is that on the on
35:13the x axis you have the yards per target in year n and then the y axis is the yards per target
35:20in year n plus one i drew that dotted line at 10 just to show you how few players are maintaining that
35:27that 10 yards per target uh year over year so and a lot of times you know you get like tyreek hill
35:34multiple times in there because he's obviously a crazy deep threat and an outlier but a lot of times you just get
35:41kind of deep threats like you get the sean jackson you get you know alec pierce i would argue has been that
35:47way throughout his career so far kenny stills is on there uh you know and then a lot of guys are clumped
35:54closer to that 10 but 80 percent of players see a decline you're below that 10 mark uh after that that uh
36:01that initial season so you scroll back to the left you can look at the list for 2026 and it's uh the
36:08guys who were who had 50 targets or more and a yard for target rate above 10 george pickens jameson williams kendrick
36:15bourne friend of the show puka nakua alec pierce luther burden jackson smith and jigwa christian watson and zay flowers i would
36:22expect if you were a betting man you would say that these guys are not going to maintain that high of a
36:29yards per target this season it doesn't mean that they're bad picks it just means that we're going to see probably less
36:36efficient uh uh production from them on a per target basis and they can make up for that with touchdowns they can
36:42make up for it with volume whatever the case may be like i said that with jackson smith and jigwa the difference
36:49with jsn in my opinion and someone like puka nakua is that number one jsn's yards per target was higher than nakua's
36:56last year but also the offensive environment is more conducive for volume for nakua than it is jackson smith and jigwa right
37:03now and that's where the volume side can really come into play and help these guys out so these guys aren't fades
37:10it's just me you know you can find a lot of metrics that random players are going to regress in every year
37:17this is just one of those metrics okay so we should be cautious but not nervous yeah be cautious i mean they're
37:24all good players right like all of these guys i'm i've drafted in best ball this year like yeah you know i
37:31know i'm looking at this and i'm like uh well no like a lot of these guys too like like if you
37:37look at you know uh alec pierce luther burden christian watson all of those guys are going to see an uptick in
37:44volume this year more than likely and so like that's going to combat a lot of this and they could still be
37:51efficient i'm not saying it's it's again it's an 80 thing it's not a hundred percent thing it's not guaranteed that they
37:58see even a drop in that efficiency but um i do think that you should keep in mind that these are the
38:05numbers that that you know in the players that that hit that 10 mark last year all right uh let's get on
38:12to the main event we'll talk about some best ball values the late round main event all right if you've been uh
38:19listening to any of our shows you know that jj is high on chris godwin where he's being drafted at it's a
38:26weird spot to be in where it's just like you're not a chris godwin truther but it's like okay or if he's
38:32gonna fall this far i'm gonna get him that's what it comes down to really like i think i'm like three or
38:39four or five wide receiver spots above where people on draft kings are drafting him right now uh the peripherals were definitely
38:46not there last season but but he also is coming off a brutal injury they rushed him back we knew that because
38:53he then was sidelined again right um so i kind of been looking at last year as yes this could be the
39:00start of just like a breakdown because he might not get back to that pre-injury chris godwin but at the same time
39:07i think people forget about how good he was in 2024 pre-injury in 2024 2.36 yards per outrun almost a 27 target
39:14share and 19.7 ppr points per game he was a league winning player that year like he was awesome and then now
39:21you look at zach robinson being in town uh i'm intrigued by godwin potentially playing like a slot role for them because
39:27that's been a pretty good uh position to play within this offensive environment uh and i think that he can play in
39:34two wide receiver sets too because jaylen mcmillan well i think he'll be rotated in and out i don't think that's a
39:41lock ted hurst you know the the stuff that people have been talking about about him playing x we talked about last
39:48week which by the way i i said that last week and then i saw tweets after the fact that it's true
39:55that it wasn't to say that ted hurst is playing the x right away it's that that's what they're training him to
40:02do for that office right but there's a quote from zach robinson about godwin that says you know i mean this is
40:09just coach speak but it's still interesting the way he plays the game exemplifies exactly what we want to be as an
40:16offense is what he said which is can't be a bad thing for for godwin so right now he's going behind michael
40:22wilson and courtland sutton for instance i would draft him over both of those players i think godwin's a better pick than
40:29both those guys all right another guy that we're high on and and if the quarterback play improves any yeah you would
40:36think that nico collins would be a tremendous value this year i just think collins is a really clean profile and maybe
40:43there's like an unsexiness to it that people are just like not interested and they're pushing him to round three pretty consistently
40:50but last year he had a bad week one and i think that people were like anchored to that because nico collins
40:57finished with 15.8 ppr points per game after that point and he ranked as the wide receiver 10 in ppr points per
41:04game in fantasy football like he was not bad last year he once again had a really strong yards per route run
41:11um last year it was 2.35 which is the lowest of his last three years which is crazy because it's a really
41:17high number his catchable targets last year 65 the two years prior 74 and 77 so i think we might see a
41:24little bit of regression there there are reports of the texans wanting to use a little bit more 12 and 13 personnel
41:31which could funnel more targets to nico who's not going to come off the field i just think it's a very clean
41:38profile overall and uh i you know i i think he belongs in the discussion after like when chase brown gets drafted
41:45let's say a best ball like he he's i i think nico college is a good strong value right now yeah and
41:52in the best ball world sometimes you you get uh you know some of the quarterbacks get drafted before you can pair
41:59them with a guy is very easy to pair nico collins with cj stroud because cj stroud is is down there pretty
42:06far all right next let's get to the meat of this it's the los angeles chargers offense i'm just in if you
42:12guys listen to today's episode you know that i'm in this includes lad mconkey justin herbert keaton mitchell trey harris is a
42:1919th 20th round you know dark throw quentin johnson i think is fine uh i i think i think qj is a
42:26better pick without factoring in cost than trey harris for sure he projects way better than harris does but it's just that
42:33harris is really really cheap but mike mcdaniel he's more efficient as a coordinator and coach than greg roman's ever been there's
42:40a there's going to be more uh pass attempts more than likely his pass rate over expected has been about three to
42:47four points higher than greg romans when greg roman if you only look at greg roman's tenure as the chargers offensive coordinator
42:54if you were to go further back he was even more run heavy before uh mike mcdaniel likes to scheme open his
43:01wide receivers uh he was first in motion in three or four years in miami second in the one year that he
43:07wasn't in first joe out rashawn slater are going to be back that's huge for that offensive line i talked about that
43:14on the show where joe alt when he played justin herbert averaged almost 22 standard fantasy points per game when he didn't
43:21play he was under 17 like there's a dramatic split with and without joe alt and we saw that like justin herbert's
43:28pressure rate was the worst of his career uh or at least when you when you compare the last two years it
43:35was 10 percentage points lower in the same offense uh last season and i think it largely had to do with the
43:42offensive line even though quarterbacks do um you know are at fault for a lot of the quarterback pressure stats that we
43:49look at uh we're likely going to see fewer like like not a lot of 11 personnel because that's mike mcdaniel's mo
43:56and so that means that fewer wide receivers on the field that's going to help lad mcconkey potentially see a better target
44:02share in that offense because i think he's the best wide receiver on that team and then keaton mitchell a great fit
44:09for mike mcdaniel he loves those fast running backs uh and and you know he did it with devon h and as
44:16an undersatting keaton mitchell's not devon h and so don't don't take that the wrong way you're calling the uh most uh
44:23a-chan combo this this year for the chargers i mean we could see something like that to a degree yeah where like
44:30keaton mitchell is the the h and and most are you know and marion hampton scores 17 touchdowns like most are did
44:37the one year if things like really go the right way um i'm not targeting hampton as much as you might think
44:44given all the the bullish nature that i i feel about the chargers offense only because there's a lot of good players
44:51being drafted around hampton and i prefer chase brown over hampton which i'll get to in a second um and so like
44:57i'm not like going crazy with amari and hampton with that being said i think he's a fine pick because i want
45:04to get pieces of this offense okay uh you've mentioned chase brown a few times he's next on this list and there's
45:11this like running back clump at the you know that second round end of the first round and and he's kind of
45:18in that mix yeah but the problem is that like he'll often go late second when i think he belongs belongs firmly
45:25in that early second range like he belongs with the saquon barkley's of the world uh from a fantasy perspective because last
45:32year 70 of the team's running back rushes 14 and a half percent of the team's targets in a good offense and
45:39in an offense that hasn't changed year over year like we have stability within the bangles offense we know that there's a
45:46likely chance they're going to still use chase brown in really favorable ways he was the rb6 in games without jake browning
45:52last year 19.4 ppr points per game i'm currently taking chase brown ahead of kenneth walker and amari and hampton when adp
45:59does not show that wow okay um all right next f1 terry mclorne so someone said i'm reading comments because that's what
46:06this show's all about right sure i'm seeing jj i love your take and agree on the chargers i see it seems
46:13too many analysts copy and paste data from last year and projected to 2026 one guy had chargers ranked 20th yeah i
46:20mean i i think that's a very real and fair thing to call out about like looking at how these offenses might
46:27operate year over year and i think with the chargers in particular greg roman had a pretty outdated style though he he
46:34was more pass heavy than we expected generally with the chargers but it's not an offense that really like got should get
46:41anyone excited and anyone who watched football last year you saw how bad that offense turned when the offensive line injuries really
46:47hit like the alt injury especially so that's part of the reason why and then i'm just i think mike mcdaniel's a
46:54really good coach and he knows what he's doing so i'm i'm bullish from that perspective and and you know like me
47:01saying that i'm drafting trey harris a little bit more than qj i'm still drafting qj because i think there's a chance
47:08that qj sees more of those like one wide receiver set two wide receiver set snaps than we would expect so all
47:15of them are in play like i'm just saying blanket i'm drafting the chargers okay and we should also just preface a
47:22lot of this with this is best ball values so these are guys that you're taking you know we often say better
47:29in best ball because these are guys that you wouldn't spend the draft capital in your fantasy draft but they might have
47:36these spike weeks you want to expand on that just a little bit yeah i mean like there are times where you
47:42know in best ball where in the eighth to twelfth round i'm getting a floor play instead of a ceiling like people
47:49think about ceiling i think improperly with best ball because they think only about they think only about the spike tweaks but
47:56you just need production from everyone whereas in season long i'm only swinging for upside i'm only swinging for the season long
48:03upside in my draft because if they don't pan out and i drafted them in the eighth round it does not matter
48:10right whereas i'm balancing that a little bit more in best ball where like in best ball like part of the reason
48:17why i like sean tucker who i'm going to talk about later we can just get to him right now if you
48:24want to but part of the reason why i like sean tucker i'll just talk about it now number one he has
48:31contingent upside with both of the running backs that are there right where you have kenneth gainwell and bucky irving one of
48:37them goes down that's more work for sean tucker uh last year he led the backfield and rushing yards over expected way
48:44better than bucky irving he was better than bucky in yards after contact per attempt but he still i think is going
48:51to play some role and when you get to the 19th round i don't really only want handcuff type running backs that
48:58have the only that contingent upside i want players who could give me a week a usable week even without any injuries
49:05happening in their backfield and so that's sort of the the mindset that you need to have with best balls that you're
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50:14the vehicle that fits your people okay let's get back up to terry mclaurin now okay so mclaurin i talked about him
50:21a lot on the show uh that dropped today as well he had a career high 2.22 yards per hour run last
50:27year which is shocking because of the quarterback play and the situation he was in 23 percent targets per hour run was
50:34also a career high for him uh and that was on a 43rd percentile catchable targets rate so i thought mclaurin had
50:41a good year when he was healthy uh he only reached a 25 percent target share once in his career that's kind
50:48of alarming but you look at what david blouse said that he wants to do and giving terry mclaurin 10 targets per
50:55game that the offense is going to revolve around him i believe it because look at what else is there right like
51:02i i have honorable mentions for chica conco and antonio williams because i think that they're both a little bit undervalued right
51:09now but they are not secure staples in an offense at the moment like we don't know exactly what they would look
51:16like in this offense or how much volume they'll take on or what antonio williams specifically can even do at the nfl
51:22level and so you look at that depth chart right now terry mclaurin could easily be a top 15 top 12 wide
51:29receiver this year given jay daniels is back david blouse offensive coordinator now you know i mentioned this on the show that
51:36he's saying the right things at least we don't know for sure i mean we're just kind of we're we're trying to
51:43guess what these guys are but we you know we talked to josh johnson about this at uh radio row at the
51:50super bowl this year when we interviewed him and i i brought up that like a lot of these backup quarterbacks are
51:57becoming offensive coordinators and you know why like did josh johnson think that that was happening because backup quarterbacks need to just
52:04know so much about the game and they're not necessarily like in the game doing it because they don't have the ability
52:11to necessarily be that guy but they just understand the game at such a deep level and that's why they're getting promoted
52:17so quickly and that's why they're getting the love that they're getting and he agreed and he was very high himself on
52:24david blau if you remember like he he he loved the idea of him coordinating this offense so look that's all you
52:31know coach speak type stuff and just stuff that's more subjective but um i'm bullish on like what this could generally look
52:38like for the washington offense uh and terry mclaurin in particular jj seems like the landscape for best ball changes every year
52:45and this often kind of um sets the stage for season long and a lot of running backs going early a lot
52:52of running backs going early and so sometimes if you have to draft those running backs you need more wide receiver production
52:59these two guys fit that bill with josh downs and jayden reed yeah look i'm just gonna bring them up because i've
53:06been talking about them on every show it feels like i the way i said it on the projection show is that
53:12their projection is showing like top 50 type wide receivers but that's assuming a slot role okay jayden reed is in an
53:19offense now that doesn't have a lot of depth at wide receiver after they're three and matthew golden and christian watson are
53:26hypothetically you know ahead of him in two wide receiver sets let's say let's just assume matthew golden didn't show us that
53:33much last year so we know what that's gonna look like i am drafting matthew golden right now in redraft i don't
53:40think that he's a dynasty buy i think the opposite because i'm worried about his profile and i was worried about his
53:47profile last year but in redraft the cost to acquire is completely different and it's it's fine as a double digit round
53:54pick christian watson's been hurt a lot throughout his career like i thought he looked really good last year but you know
54:01there's there's a lot of question marks about him as well and so jayden reed has a path to just naturally get
54:07out there more on the outside compared to how he's he's typically played with green bay and then there's injury outs for
54:14him too so and that's in an offense that matt lafleur's offense i've said this too tops top half of the league
54:21and touchdowns per game every year that he's been head coach i think it's a good offense good situation i'll throw that
54:28dart with jayden reed because he can even give you a spiked week with still playing the same role that he's playing
54:35you know that the same slot role josh downs is a good football player really good prospect in the zap model has
54:42been just completely stapled to the slot throughout his nfl career now he's only competing with nick westbrook akine for two wide
54:49receiver set um snaps so i think josh downs is very very interesting as well i'm drafting both of them i think
54:56they're good picks and that's the last time i'll talk about him for a little bit i promise all right we already
55:02talked about sean tucker so let's talk about a guy who um he got shot shot ricky pearsall that's right that's right
55:09ricky pearsall uh he is in one of the most efficient offenses in football brock purdy pearsall goes late man like he's
55:16yeah way past wide receiver 40 i think at this point right yeah um but he's in one of the most efficient
55:23offenses in football brock purdy consistently because of the offense he's in i mean he's good too i i like purdy i'm
55:30just saying that the offense helps him have these like unsustainable touchdown rates uh pearsall actually had a 1.85 yards per route
55:37run rate last year it's actually pretty strong juwan jennings is gone kendrick born is gone george kittles banged up their wide
55:44receiver one is mike evans who consistently has had some trouble staying on the field himself mike feels like mike evans is
55:51bound to have a hamstring injury right he does it's like every year with with evans and so and not only that
55:57but last year he was the best wide receiver on san francisco and catch rate over expected uh pearsall was so and
56:04then you know design shriveling i'm not expecting the world from him in year one i think he's more of the jennings
56:11replacement and he's not going to be able to command as much of a target share as jennings would so i don't
56:18know man i'm just kind of hitching my wagons to a to a uh a good offense here and saying that ricky
56:25pearsall is not a bad player he had pretty good efficiency last year and it's in an offense that should score a
56:32lot of points yeah i got him uh this morning in the 10th round so you you know thinking about all day
56:39yeah all day okay another guy that we've been high on aaron jones this is a good example of best ball versus
56:46season long i'm not going to draft aaron jones in season long i just i don't need to do that because i
56:52don't think that he has top 15 upside in fan in in a season-long league across the entire season but he's a
56:59player who i think can very much in a full ppr environment outperform where he gets drafted right now jordan mason is
57:06better on the ground okay he's going to probably see more work on the ground than aaron jones like a 60 40
57:1365 35 type split potentially he still has never seen more than a five percent target share in a single season his
57:20yards per route run has never been above one it was bad again last season and then i talked about on the
57:27show on the podcast minnesota had an outlier season last year in terms of how efficient they were under under kevin o'connell
57:34like it was just a completely different year than any other season why do you think that was well it's probably because
57:41they had jj mccarthy under center they didn't have good quarterback play now they get kyler murray who there's at least some
57:47hope will be better aaron jones though last year had a 14 target share like jones was still involved as a receiver
57:54because he's a good receiver and so to me this offense should be improved they should be a lot you know before
58:01last year they were consistently top half in the league in epa per drop back so the team should be improved aaron
58:08jones is probably going to be playing the pass catching role they drafted damon claiborne who profiles more as that for sure
58:15but claiborne's undersized i didn't think he was like a dominant prospect and he's one of those guys that isn't going to
58:22command a lot of work and like volume but he's a player who can break off a big play and and work
58:29that way right and so i think aaron jones is still going to be heavily involved in this offense and you can
58:36get him very very late is he someone that i'm going to get in season long though probably not because i don't
58:42think that the true season long upside is there spiked weeks you know just getting some production if you punt running back
58:49or something sure but um you know in season long i'm looking for more of that like weekly setting my lineup type
58:56upside all right you got some guys on the honorable mentions if you want to quickly go through yeah quickly tyler warren
59:03i think could see a lot of volume in the offense i've been drafting more and more i've been becoming more and
59:10more bullish on colson loveland too um and in best ball and season long all that i've obviously been very high if
59:17you look at my dynasty rankings you know throughout the offseason with loveland kyle manunga and blake quorum again guys that i'm
59:24probably not going to be super bullish on in season long like i'll maybe draft them a little bit but not in
59:31managed season long these players are flex at best they need the injury to happen to really be unlocked but there's going
59:37to be spiked weeks every once in a while and we can use that on our on our best ball teams then
59:44obviously there is that contingent upside tyler shuck who i think i'm probably going to be in on in season long just
59:51the new weapons good environment rushing upside and then i have matthew golden on here i mean technically my rankings show that
59:58matthew golden is is a value in best ball right now just because of the stuff that i talked about earlier with
60:05jayden reed and uh you know the lack of like depth and what we're going to see probably less of a rotation
60:12for those wide receivers in green bay he had a touchdown in the playoffs just to tease us yeah those that took
60:19them earlier so maybe just maybe that will happen all right good stuff jj let's wrap this up all right it's time
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