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Late-Round Perspectives: Zain Dhanani

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1 hr 15 min
Duration
Estimated from transcript
Sep 25, 2026
Published
Fri, September 25, 2026
34
Player insights
28
Players mentioned
Topics
Chuba HubbardHarold FanninJalen CokerJosh DownsParker WashingtonStefon DiggsBrian Thomas Jr.Brock BowersChase BrownChris GodwinChristian WatsonDalton KincaidDrake LondonJ.K. Dobbins
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Brian Thomas Jr.

NegativeRole19:12

Dhanani used Brian Thomas Jr. as an example of translating training camp buzz into role clarity. While BTJ received positive practice reports, Dhanani's key insight was identifying his specific role: a vertical receiver consistently connecting on deep balls with Trevor Lawrence. Dhanani notes BTJ ranks near the top (second or third) in the NFL in average depth of route, signaling his role as a deep-ball specialist. However, Dhanani cautions that while the role signal was accurate, consistent fantasy performance is difficult for vertical receivers who rely on deep balls, and this is where receiver score helps translate role into fantasy value.

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Brock Bowers

PositiveUsage19:32

BTJ (Brock Bowers) ranks near the top of the NFL in average depth of route, second or third league-wide, confirming the pre-draft signal that he would run deep routes frequently; however, the speaker emphasizes that while this role definition is accurate, deep-route specialists face challenges translating that into consistent fantasy production.

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Chase Brown

PositiveProjection56:00

JJ Zachariason believes Chase Brown will be better than his start-of-season performance; he has been fine to start the season but Zachariason still thinks there is more to come from Brown rest of season.

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Chris Godwin

NegativeRole18:18

Dhanani references Chris Godwin as a historical comparison point for Parker Washington's slot role in Liam Cohen's offense. Godwin was a top-two wide receiver before injury while playing the slot in Cohen's scheme, establishing the offensive context and upside ceiling for Washington's role.

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Christian Watson

PositiveProjection37:00

Christian Watson is identified as a strong buy by the receiver score model, which loves him for many different reasons including offensive environment; he is listed among the obvious names that the model rates highly.

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Chuba Hubbard

PositiveValue2:00

Dhanani was bullish on Chuba early in the offseason but shifted to him in best ball drafts primarily due to cost dynamics versus Jonathan Brooks. In season-long leagues, Dhanani ranked them very close together, but best ball pricing created an opportunity cost equation favoring Chuba. Dhanani notes that while Chuba is not viewed as a top-15 NFL talent, the opportunity to own him at a discount made him the preferred target in best ball formats where Brooks was priced significantly higher (12th-13th round vs. 6th round for Chuba in early summer best ball drafts).

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NegativeRole71:47

Dhanani recommended Chuba Hubbard as an early-season "opener" (similar to a baseball opener) to pair with Bayshal Tootin in ambiguous backfields. The strategy was to use Hubbard at RB2 in weeks one and two to manage the split, allowing Tootin to show his talent and eventually take over the backfield as the coaching staff recognizes his superiority.

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Dalton Kincaid

PositiveBreakout50:15

JJ Zachariason did not anticipate Dalton Kincaid's resurgence this season; he was initially skeptical despite analytics supporting Kincaid due to concerns about route share. However, Kincaid has achieved roughly 70 percent route share after the Bills cut fullback Ben Van Sumeren, enabling more 13-personnel usage. With 30 percent targets per route run at tight end, Kincaid is generating elite value in an elite offense with significant touchdown equity. Zachariason had Kincaid ranked at tight end eight entering the year and now believes he could be tight end two or three rest of season, ranking him in the top 50 overall rest of season.

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Drake London

PositiveValue66:47

Dhanani prefers Drake London over both Rashid Rice and Marvin Harrison Jr., citing London's immense upside and opportunity with Anthony Penix at quarterback. Dhanani would trade Rice for London if given the opportunity and views London as having significantly more upside than Rice's current valuation.

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Harold Fannin

NegativeProjection57:00

JJ Zachariason was pretty high on Harold Fannin, ranking him around 75th overall without ADP being a factor, but Fannin has gotten off to a rocky start this season. Zachariason anticipated beginning-of-season struggles due to the new offensive line and potential protection issues.

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NegativeRole57:29

Zain Dhanani ranked Fannin 75th overall without ADP adjustment, anticipating early-season struggles due to new offensive line and potential run-heavy approach with Deshaun Watson at QB. Dhanani's thesis was that Fannin's tackle-breaking ability in the flat would insulate him from offensive system changes, but through two weeks this hasn't materialized; week one showed nothing, week two showed modest progress (five targets, one reception). Dhanani remains cautious but willing to hold longer before fully giving up, noting the Browns' week-one film was so poor coaches would "burn it" and Watson's week-two win may extend his leash over Shador.

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J.K. Dobbins

PositiveRole21:30

J.K. Dobbins was targeted by the speaker in ambiguous backfield situations; the speaker's thesis was that on a good team with a good defense, Dobbins would get the rushing work and goal-line touches without much receiving work, similar to a lower-tier version of Derrick Henry, making him valuable when the team is winning.

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Jalen Coker

PositiveProjection38:00

Jalen Coker is rated by the receiver score model at wide receiver 15, nearly the same level as Tedrow McMillan (WR14), due to target consolidation in the Commanders offense; Coker plays in the slot more often than McMillan and gets motion pre-snap more frequently, making him undervalued relative to his model projection.

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PositiveRole38:35

Coker is running routes in the slot more often than Tedrow McMillan and is getting a significant amount of motion snaps when the ball is snapped; JJ Zachariason describes these as 'fantasy cheat codes' that align to offset minimal talent difference between Coker and McMillan, positioning them as 1A/1B caliber players. The model projects Coker as a high-end wide receiver two, potentially backend wide receiver one if the offense continues this deployment, whereas the market consensus has him as a wide receiver three.

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Jameis Winston

PositiveProjection41:00

JJ Zachariason models Jameis Winston as a 3.25 value over replacement compared to Marcus Mariota, a significant downgrade from Jaden Daniels but not the most critical difference. Zachariason notes Jameis has the most raw passing yards per start of any quarterback since start of 2024 across multiple offensive systems; he is unafraid to throw into coverage (favorable for receivers) and less likely to scramble, generating more dropbacks and target opportunities. Zachariason is not afraid of Jameis as Malik Neighbors' quarterback and sees him as capable of supporting one to two weapons against the Titans' poor secondary.

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James Cook

PositiveValue55:00

JJ Zachariason ranked James Cook ahead of Jonathan Taylor entering the season, contrary to most consensus rankings that had Taylor over Cook. Zachariason still has Kenneth Walker ranked ahead of Jonathan Taylor rest of season, suggesting Cook remains in a strong position in the first-round running back tier.

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Jonathan Taylor

NegativeUsage54:00

JJ Zachariason had a soft fade on Jonathan Taylor entering the season, preferring James Cook, but Taylor's usage has been phenomenal to start the year. Taylor is getting significantly more receiving work than anticipated and is an absolute smash in fantasy football due to his red zone workload; when the Colts get inside the 10, they hand it off to Taylor repeatedly for touchdown equity. Zachariason notes Taylor is the most sensitive to game script of any running back in football per Rich Rebar's analysis—dominant in Colts wins but only 12 PPR points per game in losses—making him a scary first-round proposition despite strong early performance.

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Jonathon Brooks

NegativeValue2:00

Dhanani viewed Jonathan Brooks as a 'mystery box' play—a high-upside backup behind Chuba Hubbard, who Dhanani does not regard as a top-15 NFL talent. Brooks was available as a 12th-13th rounder in early best ball drafts but saw his ADP rise significantly as the offseason progressed, eventually pricing him out of Dhanani's best ball targets. Dhanani compares the situation to the previous year's Elijah Moore/Travon Henderson dynamic, where the backup held upside potential. Dhanani had 10% exposure to Brooks in best ball due to early-season drafting before the price shift.

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Jordan Mason

PositiveValue22:00

Jordan Mason's ADP crept up toward the end of draft season but was available at 140th-145th overall on some platforms early in the draft season, which the speaker viewed as crazy value; the speaker targeted him despite the ADP rise because the 49ers switched to a Shanahan-style run scheme and Mason performed well on efficiency metrics in that system previously.

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Josh Downs

PositiveRole15:00

Dhanani identified Josh Downs as an information edge play by finding a local Indianapolis radio interview (XM 1010) where Downs stated he would play more on the outside and see increased opportunities in two-wide-receiver sets. Dhanani tweeted this insight, which went viral on Sleeper, and emphasizes that understanding the context of role changes—such as whether a receiver plays in two or three-wide sets—is critical to translating beat reports into fantasy value. Casual fans may dismiss 60% route participation without understanding the offensive context and utilization patterns.

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PositiveBreakout67:23

Dhanani is very interested in buying Josh Downs despite the Alec Pierce injury news. Downs is receiving elite route share and is being deployed further downfield than last season, which Dhanani views as beneficial given his prior short-route concentration. Downs is also being used in motion and on play action. Dhanani believes Downs had a tough week-one matchup against Baltimore's solid secondary but saw increased targets in week two. Dhanani projects Downs will ascend to wide receiver two tier over the next couple of weeks and is currently undervalued at mid-wide receiver three; he specifically points to week four against Washington as a breakout opportunity.

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Kenneth Gainwell

NegativeRole27:00

Kenneth Gainwell was mentioned as a potential satellite running back candidate this season, but the speaker notes that even players like Gainwell haven't really come to fruition so far; this reflects a broader trend of the death of the satellite running back role in the NFL.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveProjection56:00

Kenneth Walker is smashing right now rest of season; JJ Zachariason still has Kenneth Walker ranked ahead of Jonathan Taylor rest of season, suggesting Walker remains a strong first-round running back option despite Taylor's strong early performance.

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Luther Burden

NegativeBust52:00

JJ Zachariason was high on Luther Burden but acknowledges he got this pick wrong; Burden has been off to a rocky start this season.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

NegativeRole62:00

Dhanani was a harder fade on Marvin Harrison Jr. than Michael Wilson and describes his deployment as problematic: he's not the first read on many targets, runs sacrificial X-type routes, is never in motion, and receives no schematic help from the coaching staff. Dhanani notes Harrison hasn't been "so, so bad" but expectations were extremely high, making early performance feel worse than it is; however, he projects Harrison will be "really, really bad" going forward. The model suggests dropping him entirely, and Dhanani would rather own Drake London than Harrison at this point.

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Michael Wilson

PositiveValue62:00

Dhanani identifies Michael Wilson as an interesting buy and soft buy candidate in Arizona's offense. Wilson is running valuable route types, working underneath, deployed in motion, and receiving schematic help that supports fantasy production. Dhanani's model likes Wilson and ranks him as a wide receiver three to four level player; he notes this is a good time to acquire Wilson given his low current valuation and the deployment trends favoring him over Marvin Harrison Jr. and Trey McBride.

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Parker Washington

PositiveRole18:18

Dhanani highlights Parker Washington as a case study in how to properly contextualize beat report buzz. Washington received significant offseason buzz, but Dhanani's analysis connected multiple data points: Liam Cohen (OC) texted him, Trevor Lawrence repeatedly expressed trust in him, he plays the slot role in Cohen's offense (where Chris Godwin was a top-two receiver before injury), and practice reports showed consistent excellence. Dhanani emphasizes that the combination of coaching signal, QB trust, scheme fit, and on-field performance—not buzz alone—justified the projection.

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PositiveUsage20:00

Parker Washington has shown functionally elite wide receiver one production in week two with a 90% route share and 39% targets per route run; the speaker's receiver score model was very high on him mid-season last year before he hit, and he is now showing up as an elite wide receiver one this season based on role and route metrics.

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Stefon Diggs

NegativeMatchup30:00

Stefan Diggs' receiver score model projection against the Seahawks is downgraded due to Jaden Daniels' injury; the speaker notes that while the model is forward-looking, it doesn't account for quarterback injuries, making Diggs less valuable this week despite the model's general positive view.

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NegativeMatchup43:00

Stefan Diggs faces a tough matchup against Von Weatherspoon and the Seahawks secondary; JJ Zachariason avoids the entire Commanders offense this week due to Marcus Mariota's poor situation against Seattle, which limits the number of weapons Mariota can support.

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Terry McLaurin

NegativeMatchup43:00

Terry McLaurin has a really tough matchup on the outside against the Seahawks' secondary; JJ Zachariason states he does not want anything to do with the Commanders offense this week due to Marcus Mariota's poor matchup against Seattle and the limited weapons Mariota can support in such a difficult situation.

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Travis Etienne

NegativeUsage71:39

Dhanani notes that Travis Etienne benefited from exceptional blocking last year, with insane yards before contact and lanes "where you could drive a truck through them," which enabled his longer touchdown runs. This context is used to explain why Tootin, who lacks similar blocking support, has still performed well and should see increased usage as the coaching staff recognizes his talent independent of blocking quality.

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Travis Hunter

NegativeRole20:24

Travis Hunter is not playing in the slot and is also not playing on offense very often, which removes key detractors that had previously limited Parker Washington's opportunity; this signals a shift in the Commanders' receiving corps deployment.

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Trey McBride

NegativeProjection60:00

Dhanani was lower on the entire Arizona offense entering the season and now expects Trey McBride's 40% per-route-run target rate to regress significantly. McBride ran 100+ more routes than any other tight end since 2016, and Dhanani's thesis relied on him maintaining high volume; however, Arizona's raw route volume has declined substantially year-over-year, and McBride is seeing a 60% increase in targets per route run to compensate. Dhanani projects this elevated target rate will not sustain and notes the regression from route volume has already occurred, making McBride a fade despite early production.

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Episode Transcript

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0:30Zain Dhanani is an analyst at Fantasy Life. He's the host of The Cut-Up Show and he's the creator of Receiver Score.
0:36He's previously done work with the Milwaukee Bucks and ESPN.
0:39He's a dad, a sports nerd, and he's one of the best at aggregating news in the fantasy football space.
0:45These are his late round perspectives. Was it this week that you were in Charlotte or last week?
0:50Yeah, so I had a work trip. So I don't just do fantasy.
0:54I do a bunch of other stuff on the side.
0:57And I had a work trip in Charlotte and it was funny because I was like, wait a second, this lines up
1:03with the date that I'm basically supposed to be on with JJ.
1:06And I figured I would potentially reach out and I just had literally zero time while I was out there.
1:12Like it was all doing like business stuff. But next time I come in town, definitely going to hit you up.
1:18Yeah, man. Yeah, I always feel like people, they'll hit me up and they're like, oh, I was in Charlotte this past weekend or something like that.
1:26And I'm like, oh, well, like you want it.
1:29And they just mentioned that they're in the airport because everyone just flies through Charlotte Douglas all the time.
1:34That's just what because it's a hub. And so folks are in Charlotte constantly.
1:38But it sounds like you had business. You actually had business here.
1:42You got to get to hang out in Charlotte for a minute.
1:45Got to hang out. And you know what? It was funny because I was I was sitting there and I just flew in.
1:52And that's when I got the news that Jonathan Brooks was put on like IR or whatever he was doing.
1:58And I was like, yeah, is it me? Did I make this happen or or was this just like, you know, happenstance?
2:04Because I had been pretty big on Chuba this season.
2:07So it's kind of interesting to like be there.
2:09And then, you know, now Chuba is looking like a hot commodity, especially this week.
2:14So yeah, yeah, I keep bringing up the the Chuba Jonathan Brooks thing because it was such an interesting dynamic that I
2:20think a lot of season long players, that don't play best ball weren't totally aware of like what was going on in
2:26the summer and the way that like early on in the summer, you could have gotten Jonathan Brooks is like a 12th
2:33rounder and a lot of best ball drafts in the 13th rounder even a lot of best ball drafts.
2:38And you know, Chuba was like a sixth rounder and stuff.
2:42And then literally it flipped like it just completely flipped.
2:44And meanwhile, in season long drafts, it was always like they were kind of just close.
2:49And you know, a lot of these dress. I mean, obviously in like, you know, higher stakes leagues, you saw Jonathan Brooks
2:55go a lot higher than where Chuba went. My rankings had them like that more, more like very, very tight together as
3:02opposed to like seeing that, that really large gap.
3:04But it's just really interesting because I remember talking to Rich Ryan, my becoming a best ball bro co-host about it and
3:11being like, hey, I was drafting a lot of Jonathan Brooks earlier in the offseason.
3:15And now I'm drafting a lot of Chuba Hubbard and it's simply because of cost, you know, simply because this is this is what we got to do.
3:23It has to be an opportunity cost equation. And then I always like in the situation to like we always like the
3:29mystery box and it's like, hey, Jonathan Brooks is the mystery box.
3:33The guy that like is playing behind the guy that nobody's like very interested in as a talent.
3:38Nobody thinks that Chuba Hubbard's like a top like 15 running back in the NFL in terms of talent.
3:44And so it's like and the same thing happened last year with from Andre and Travion Henderson, where it was like, yeah, from Andre is just fine.
3:51But Travion could be anything. Right. So that's that's that's what was was playing out in my head most of the offseason.
3:58And I bought in at the beginning and then I was like, well, this could also not work out and I should just go with Chuba Hubbard.
4:06So, yeah, yeah, it ended up working out for like my high stakes stuff.
4:10And then for basketball to, you know, I didn't really write up the Jonathan Brooks train.
4:14Yeah, I looked at my my best ball exposure.
4:17I know that like no one cares about your fantasy league type stuff, but I was looking at my best ball exposure.
4:23I think I'm at 10% Brooks because of what because the early season stuff and then eight and a half to 9% Chuba.
4:30So I like looked at this. I'm like this really doesn't impact me versus the market that dramatically.
4:35But hopefully, you know, I think that I had I had good CLV on both guys just because I was just drafting
4:41the one when they were lower and the other one whenever they were or at least value.
4:46Maybe not CLV, but at least value in general.
4:49But anyway, this is your first time on perspective.
4:52So I want to get to know you a little bit.
4:55I think listeners should, you know, understand your background as well.
4:58You have a pretty interesting one. I mean, I came to know you a bit this summer with you doing so much
5:04work with news items and tweeting stuff out. I mean, I don't think anyone was cited more on the late round show
5:11this summer than you were by myself and David Kitchen.
5:13So I just want to know like how you got into all of this.
5:18You know, you have a really interesting background having done work for like the bucks and stuff like that.
5:23Like how did this all start and how did you start doing more in the fantasy space?
5:28Well, first, I want to say that I've been listening and reading to all your stuff like for so long number fire
5:34all sorts of different stuff going back. So really appreciate you having me on in general.
5:39But for me, it's been an interesting journey because, you know, coming out being in college like I was always into fantasy football.
5:46I've been in my home league. Shout out to the UCHT League for 25 years and I'm not that old.
5:51I'm 35. So this was something that we started when we were 10.
5:55Yahoo fantasy, I think back in the year 2000.
5:58So we started that out and then it just kind of moved into like, you know, I was the youngest one in the league.
6:05It was a lot of my brother's friends and me.
6:08And I'd always been kind of like an encyclopedia of like random like sports information over time.
6:12They tried out for this like show called Dream Job.
6:15I'm not sure if you remember it. Oh, I remember.
6:18I remember Mike Hall one dream job. Yeah, Mike Hall.
6:21That was the guy who actually won. Yeah, I loved that show.
6:25It was it was awesome. And it was like one of those things for me that was like this would be my dream.
6:31But I'm 10 years old, so I don't really have the opportunity to do it.
6:36But my brother and his friends all like tried out for it.
6:39And like they did like the quiz and all sorts of different stuff.
6:43I thought it was the coolest thing because they are sitting there studying random sports info like tennis and NASCAR and golf and then football and basketball.
6:51And it's like any question you could think of.
6:53And so my job with them was to literally prep them, like sit there and like quiz them on all this different stuff.
7:00Interestingly, when I was in elementary school, I was the guy that was getting all the sports almanacs and just reading those
7:06instead of like real books that moved into like when I was in college.
7:10I had an opportunity to actually play football in college at the D1 level, but I ended up fracturing my spine.
7:16I had my scholarship rescinded and was offered a preferred walk on at Rice University and I decided not to not to pursue that.
7:23What position did you play? I was I was safety.
7:26So nice. Yeah, nice. And nice. Like and, you know, Sean Taylor is like the guy that I grew up like worshiping
7:32before everything happened with him and stuff, too. Yeah.
7:35And Ed Reed and those those types of players.
7:38But anyway, moving past that, like I was so interested in football that I decided that I wanted to be like still
7:44very deep in the weeds on like the analytical components and different things like that.
7:48So I just ended up starting my own website when I was in college.
7:52It's called World Sport Report. It was so basic, but I had like learned a lot of like programming when I was
7:59in college and statistical analysis, and I thought it would be fun to apply all that kind of stuff to fantasy football
8:05and just see how it works out. Mm hmm.
8:08Comes to be that I ended up getting an opportunity at ESPN where they had an internship for people like, you know, that were aspiring analytics people.
8:15And the funny thing was like the tryouts for all of that was absolutely insane.
8:20It was like, OK, basically, you have to take the think about taking like 10 different sport goal quizzes on random subjects,
8:26not just like the NFL, but like, you know, women's golf and tennis and whatever.
8:31And that's basically what it was. And that's like a qualification, right?
8:34Like you want to like max people that probably don't have what it takes yet.
8:38So you get through that round, then you go to the next round and it's like, all right, now you need to
8:45come up with like storylines and come up with like really interesting, unique things that that you could build out that would
8:51be interesting for like a broad audience. And for me, that was pretty easy because I was a Cowboys fan.
8:57And so it's like everything you see on ESPN is the Cowboys, Lakers and Yankees, basically.
9:01Sure. So I could build out like stories and all sorts of different stuff like that, too.
9:06So I get through that round and eventually get the job.
9:10I'm an intern in the stats and information department and in the analytics department.
9:14So two separate things. Stats and information is the one that like when you hear when you heard like Stuart Scott growing
9:20up saying like, yeah, this is the first time this guy did this since whatever.
9:24Yeah, it's literally a dude like me handing him a note card researching and coming up with a stat and saying like, this is what it is.
9:32And so that was my job for a little bit.
9:35I actually did work with Stuart Scott, Linda Cohn, all like the guys that like, I don't know if you grew up
9:41watching ESPN like all the time and just having on replays.
9:44Yes. But all of those people. I actually, I still to this day say I genuinely mean this of all like the
9:51celebrity, you know, deaths that have occurred throughout my lifetime.
9:54I think I was it was most impacted. I think Kobe was one because it was just so crazy, you know, how it all went down.
10:01But Stuart Scott is the other one because he was such a like people our age, like literally if you like sports,
10:08you just grew up hearing his voice every morning before school.
10:11You know, like that was just part of your life.
10:14And yeah, so that's that's really, really cool. And replays like throughout the night, like if you had like friends over and
10:20stuff, you just had ESPN on and it was like it was just there.
10:24I'm going to watch it again because I can't see this unless and I missed the web gem.
10:29I missed whatever it was like, where is it?
10:32I need to I need to see it again.
10:34It'll come on next hour. OK, great. So anyway, got that opportunity and it was immaculate.
10:39It was one of those things that like felt like you were in a dream.
10:43I don't know if you remember the John Clayton commercial where he's like yelling at his mom saying like, yeah, my assignment, whatever.
10:50I was in the building where Trey Wingo and a couple other dudes I can't remember off the top of my head were Adam Schefter, Trey Wingo.
10:58We're sitting together watching it for the first time and absolutely cracking up.
11:02And I took a picture on my like flip phone or whatever it was at the time, which is so grainy.
11:08You can't even tell who they are. But I was like so excited that I had this opportunity to even be in
11:14close quarters with all these people and help impact their job and help them like perform on stage.
11:19Taking through all of that, I just didn't I didn't want the reason why that didn't work out for me was that
11:26I just didn't want to like live in Bristol, Connecticut.
11:28Like, and I think I think taking that moving on from that and moving into like just a standard like career job that I ended up doing.
11:36But but taking some of the skills and understanding like, hey, I know what I want to do.
11:41I want to do like analytics in sports, but I just want to develop the analytics skills even more and then eventually get back into it.
11:49So that's what led me to the Bucks. I got into the Milwaukee Bucks.
11:53They had an opening actually applied to be for the Bulls because I lived in Chicago and they said, like, you're great,
11:59but we already had a guy in mind. We're going to send you to this other team because they have an opening, too.
12:06And ended up getting that opportunity, which was awesome.
12:09Got to work closely with people in the in the front office finance.
12:12They had a 2K league that they were doing and they wanted someone to like help do analysis on who to draft
12:19in the 2K league, which was awesome. And like you get all these metrics of all these players and like, oh, great.
12:25This guy like does really good at stealing the ball.
12:28This guy does really good job at like protecting the rim.
12:31Like I want this guy on my team and building a roster.
12:35So it's really fun. But another situation that was it was before COVID.
12:38So it was a situation where I was like, I got to live in Milwaukee full time.
12:43And my wife did me a solid and said, hey, I'll move out to Milwaukee.
12:48And I just decided like we decided together that we wanted to start like trying to have a family and move back
12:54to the Chicagoland area where her family lives and all that kind of stuff.
12:58So left that opportunity, went back into like a traditional like corporate kind of job doing like analytics and strategy and all sorts of stuff.
13:05And that's kind of where I lived for a while until I linked up with the fantasy points guys.
13:11Yeah. Scott Barrett, Brett Whitefield. I saw them post a job about like, you know, hey, we have guys.
13:16We want people that like know football to come like work for us, blah, blah, blah.
13:21They gave me a quiz to like chart a bunch of stuff to see like how adept I was with football knowledge.
13:27And Brett Whitefield calls me out of like the blue one day.
13:31And he's like, hey, man, I just want to check and see if you're like a real person because you actually scored higher than I scored on this.
13:39And this is like my thing. And yeah, and I was like, no, this is real.
13:43I did do this myself. So that was that was like a really cool thing.
13:48And then I kind of like got with the charting team, did some stuff behind the scenes for fantasy points last season.
13:54Ended up building out a metric to called receiver score, which I know we're going to talk about, too.
14:00And then like throughout the season, just like wanted to do this combination of like film evaluation, combine it with some like
14:06news analysis, too, because we hear a lot of stuff that's going to happen for like matchups on a weekly basis that
14:12I think is hard to like incorporate without really understanding like what the two teams are going to end up doing.
14:18And then put that into perspective by writing a little bit and then also providing like information back to guys like Ryan
14:25Heath, who's like an awesome analyst that like, you know, is always looking for different data points and like perspectives.
14:31And then Scott Barrett, too, who is doing his podcast.
14:33And I would, you know, kind of send him information like day by day.
14:37And then going into the summer, I decided like maybe I should be more vocal on Twitter with all the stuff that
14:44I'm doing, like in the background and just like start posting and see what happens.
14:48Like if nobody is interested, that's totally fine. This is something that I'm doing anyway.
14:52And I think it started in like May where I was very, so I was doing best ball drafts and I'd been
14:59involved in like high stakes and best ball mania and all sorts of different stuff, maxing everything out.
15:04And I just decided like, I want to know more information about what's going on with Josh Downs.
15:09Is he going to be playing in two wide receiver sets?
15:12Is he not? Yeah. And I found this random like local video on, I think it was like XM like 1010 or something in Indy.
15:20And he was talking about it and he was like, my opportunities are coming.
15:24I'm going to be playing on the outside more this season, etc.
15:27And I was like, this feels like an information edge.
15:30I'm going to like tweet this out and see what happens.
15:33Yeah. Then like Sleeper picked it up. It got like super viral.
15:37And I just decided like, I'm just going to keep doing this and see what happens.
15:41Like if people are interested in that information, that's awesome to me.
15:45And I felt like the way that I wanted to do it was different than what I think you get from like
15:51an underdog or a rotowire or rotoworld or whatever.
15:54And that they usually put like, just like the headline of what happened and like no analysis into the actual information.
16:00And what I wanted to do is just give my perspective, like watch a lot of film.
16:05I look at all the numbers. I want to take what I hear and put it into perspective and see if that's like valuable to people.
16:12Because, you know, your casual fan doesn't know like what it means with Josh Downs playing in two wide receiver sets or three.
16:19Like they just assume like, hey, this guy plays on 60% of the routes, like not worth it for fantasy or whatever.
16:25And so like putting that context together and like how they could potentially utilize him, I thought was valuable to people.
16:31And, you know, ended up, I think this season, I felt like I was more prepared going into drafts than I feel
16:38like I ever have been because I ended up putting things out there that I felt I did like triple confirmation, quadruple confirmation on a lot of stuff.
16:46Whereas in previous years, I would probably just like read one article and be like, yep, that's that's probably what it is.
16:52Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's it's interesting because like that's where I, you know, like you said, you started like doing more
16:58of the tweeting and sending that stuff out. And that's when I caught on.
17:02I mean, like I'm pretty like I know what's going on on fantasy Twitter for the most part.
17:08So like I can see stuff that's like snowballing, getting bigger and bigger.
17:11And then eventually, like I said, once Kitchen and I started seeing those tweets so frequently, like we could easily just, you
17:18know, for like our news section with the late round show, we'd always be like, all right, what's Zane tweeting about?
17:24Let's see if there's anything in there that we could throw up there.
17:28And then, you know, obviously we'd cite you and talk about you and stuff.
17:32But I do want to ask, you know, there's a lot of discussion each year about the noise that can often come
17:38with beat reports and coach speak items and all that kind of stuff.
17:42So my question to you is, what was one thing that you think was like by far the most predictive this offseason?
17:48What was one thing that was maybe horrific and just like way off the mark?
17:52And then where what are your thoughts on just like the importance of sifting through this?
17:57And obviously there is some importance, but like, do you think that there is sort of this like line that you're towing
18:03of not taking it too far and obviously leaning into what the analysis is saying versus what some of these beat reporters are saying?
18:10Yeah. So what I would say is that you can't necessarily just lean in and say like, hey, if I read like
18:17two articles and I've and I heard that this was going to happen, you should lean into it.
18:22I think you have to match it with what you think is is probable to end up happening and whether it makes
18:28sense in the context of what the team wants to accomplish as well.
18:32And that's the reason why I feel like my spin has been a little bit different is that like it's not just,
18:38oh, Parker Washington's getting all this buzz. It's like, no, he's getting all this buzz.
18:43But like Liam Cohen texted him and and like that doesn't just happen out of the blue.
18:48And and Trevor Lawrence is talking about him constantly and saying like he like trust him like to the nth degree.
18:54And then he's playing this slot role, Liam Cohen's offense, where we saw Chris Godwin be a top two wide receiver before he got injured.
19:01And then you start hearing practice reports where it's like this guy's unstoppable and he's doing it day after day.
19:07But you can't just read the practice reports. It's it's how they're doing what they're doing, too, because when I was trying
19:13to discern like, OK, it sounded like BTJ was having a great like some training camp and all sorts of different stuff.
19:19But I would tweet this out constantly. It was he connected on another deep ball with Trevor Lawrence.
19:25And that just gives you an understanding and insight into what the role he is going to play is, which is a vertical receiver.
19:32And A.D. Mitchell's a vertical receiver. There's so many other like types of players that are like, hey, this is a guy
19:38that's going to run deep a bunch. If you look at the like average depth of route, which I actually I wrote
19:44a long article on how important route depth is.
19:47BTJ is like near the top. I think he might be second or third in the NFL in terms of route depth right now.
19:54And so like they were spot on in terms of signaling what the role is.
19:58You need to be able to be the person that's able to translate that into fantasy value.
20:03It's great that BTJ is catching all these deep balls so hard to perform really well and be consistent performer in fantasy football when you're doing that.
20:11And that's what I've captured with like receiver score, too, is like trying to understand like roles in the offense and what
20:17they translate to in terms of fantasy. So I felt like that entire situation felt very predictive when you're able to source
20:24it from so many different spots and you hear like, well, Travis Hunter is not playing in the slot.
20:29He's also not playing on offense very often. So now you start taking away the things that were detractors to a Parker Washington situation.
20:36And basically, then you hear the interview of like, I'm playing in 12 personnel, 13 personnel.
20:41You know, Liam Cohen talks about how he's going to play on the outside, too.
20:45And you come into week two and it's all there.
20:48That's exactly what ends up happening. It's a 90% route share, 39% targets per route run, whatever metric like you're using or
20:54whatever website you're using, it might be different. But he has shown that he's functionally like a wide receiver one this season.
21:01And that was one of the big things for me that I was like, you know, obviously I came into it like
21:07hoping that would be the case when I was looking for the information.
21:11But there are a ton of situations where I backtracked like running back situations where, you know, historically, I'd listen to you
21:17and read your draft guide where it's like, ambiguous backfields.
21:20You want like the pass catchers. And this season, I like felt like I leaned into guys like Jordan Mason and Ja'Cory Cross.
21:27I did too. And J.K. Dobbins. I did too, even.
21:29Yeah. And so I just thought that was interesting, like because I felt like the news was leaning into that instead of,
21:36hey, this Rashad White guy is going to do stuff or whoever.
21:39Right. So we'll see how all of that ends up playing out.
21:43We can't necessarily like understand all of that to the nth degree yet.
21:46But I just thought it was interesting to play out all of those situations and hear what we've heard and start.
21:53I actually started building some like reliability scores in the background for some of the beat writers that I felt like had
21:59enough content to be able to do it. But and one Ben Standig is one that like is like spot on for anything.
22:06He's a beast. Yeah. Anything he does commanders wise is like on the money.
22:10So when he started talking about Ja'Cory Cross and Merritt, I was like, I need to take this guy.
22:15Now, having having Jaden Daniels injured and then being in a really poor game script last week against the Cowboys didn't help.
22:21But it seems like functionally they do want him to be pretty involved.
22:25Also, his fumble didn't help you there. But yeah.
22:28One thing I do want to bring up about that, because you bring up the ambiguous backfield thing and generally targeting pass
22:34catchers, which historically has been what has won out.
22:37Right. And there was a play like you mentioned Jordan Mason.
22:40That was one player that I kind of like flipped on and was like, no, I'm going to actually target, you know,
22:46his ADP started to creep up towards the end of draft season.
22:50So it wasn't as obvious. But there's at one point during the draft season where there were some platforms who's going like
22:56140th overall, you know, 145th overall is crazy. The one thing I'll say, though, and this is something that I brought up
23:02on the show on the late round show and on other shows in the past, too, is that sometimes I do feel
23:09like and I want to just hear your take on this.
23:12I feel like beat reporters when they talk about backfields, they are putting too much of an emphasis on the things that
23:18we might not care as much about from a fantasy football perspective.
23:22You know, like some of the guys you mentioned there, you know, like a Dobbins or like a Krosky Merritt or what
23:28have you like, there's still the pass catching component that was definitely not there for either guy in the previous year.
23:34Right. And then the beat reporters come out and be like, no, this is, you know, this is Dobbins backfield to loot
23:41like that kind of stuff, you know? And the issue I've always had with that is it's probably not wrong.
23:46And from the from the lens that these people are viewing this from right.
23:50That lens being that they're trying to see who's going to mostly see the most ground game work, you know, because that's
23:57what they view as the function of a running back, you know, because they're running the football.
24:02But realistically, from a fantasy perspective, we know that in a full PPR format, a target is going to be two and
24:08a half times the value of a running back rush.
24:11Well, right. Even in half PPR and standard, a target is more valuable than a running back rush.
24:16So do you run into that? Do you think sometimes as well?
24:20Like like, is that something that's crossed your mind a bit?
24:23Is that like the way these beat reporters are going to dissect this is not necessarily a one to one of how
24:29we would specifically for the running back position. I think that, you know, wide receivers a little bit, you know, like the
24:36BTJ example is probably like the most clear, you know, in the way that we can dissect and kind of like break down what a beat reporter saying.
24:44But what about the running back position? Like what are some of the things that you are looking for?
24:49I think it depends with Ben standing. It was very, very clear what he was trying to describe.
24:54It's like this guy is the running back. He is getting the running work and they want him to expand his abilities
25:01to also do some pass catching stuff so that it's not obvious for the defense to know like, hey, you're on the
25:07field and now we're just going to be, you know, running the ball.
25:11So to me, like that was very clear. In other situations, it's less clear.
25:15With JK Dobbins, it was never about the pass catching.
25:18It was more like if this team is good as is a good team and they have a good defense, you might
25:24get a team that's running the ball a lot.
25:27And in certain situations, it's valuable to have a running back that's just just doing the rushing stuff on teams that are winning.
25:33Like, look at we're not going to compare him to Derrick Henry, but like it's functionally a lower version of what Derrick
25:40Henry is where you're not getting much pass catching.
25:42But when the team's winning, he's like a smash in fantasy pretty much every week that they win.
25:47Right. So I was kind of thinking a similar like storyline for a guy like a guy like JK Dobbins or Jordan Mason.
25:54You know, they were kind of talking about him being like the early down, like basically like the the lead running back
26:00or lion share of the rushing work. And so for me, it was like, OK, at least I'm probably getting like the
26:07hammer that's getting like the goal line touches to without much of the receiving work.
26:11And that's like that could be valuable. This offense is good.
26:14Like they I know they have a good defense.
26:17What if like Tyler makes their offense good enough and then they just end up having like this pretty strong season and
26:23he's effectively like getting a Jamal Williams type of season where it's like and for people that haven't that didn't play fantasy
26:30a couple of years ago or Jamal Williams was good, but he he had he led the NFL in touchdowns.
26:35So it's possible that you get that type of opportunity out of some situations, especially when it's cost prohibitive.
26:41Like these were situations where the running back costs have gone back up to where they used to be closer to where they used to be.
26:48And so we're looking for needles in a haystack of finding some value in situations that are like way lower priced than everybody else.
26:55And so it's like, all right, I guess I'll take Jordan Mason because if we get that crazy opportunity where this offense
27:02does ascend, I know he's going to be the early down hammer and get the touchdown opportunities like that.
27:07That's going to be interesting to me. They also talked about switching that run scheme up to be more like Shanahan asks.
27:14Yeah. And so like to me, that was another like data point where I was like, we've seen him in that type of offense.
27:20He did pretty well on like all the metrics you want to look at, like efficiency wise and stuff like that too, from a running perspective.
27:28So maybe there's a chance that he gets back to that.
27:31Yeah. I also think the market in general, to your point about running backs being pushed up more in drafts, you know,
27:38Brandon Gadula did a really good piece on sort of the, like what happened to running back?
27:42Like what's going on with running back receiving volume essentially.
27:45And there's been this death of like the satellite running back.
27:49Like we just haven't seen that play. And there were some guys this year where we're like, well, that could be maybe
27:55Kenneth gain well, or that could be this guy.
27:57And it really like, even those players haven't really come to fruition so far.
28:02It's only week two. We have no idea how it's going to really play out.
28:06But like, I also think that was another reason as to why number one, you should be drafting running backs earlier.
28:12You know, I had, I wrote about that in the draft guide a bit, but number two, it was another reason why
28:18when you're in the later rounds, you're like, well, there's not really these like pass catching running backs to choose from.
28:24If I was in some sort of predicament of, Hey, I didn't get running backs early.
28:29You know, maybe I went like hero RB and I just need some of this depth.
28:34I got to throw some darts somewhere. So I might as well throw the darts in this direction just because there aren't,
28:40it's not like there were these like very obvious pass catching backs later anyway, to begin with.
28:45So I do think that that's, that's also important.
28:47I do want to bring up the receiving score stuff because you've now the receiver score stuff because you brought it up a couple of times now.
28:55Talk to me about that model and if you have any like clear buys and sells at this moment and you know,
29:02basically what goes into it and how you think about it.
29:05Yeah. So I have like an article on fantasy life that, that goes, that I'm actually, that will be live like later
29:11today that talks about every single receiver and tight end that matters in fantasy, like at all.
29:16And whether there's a buy, a strong buy, a fade or whatever it is.
29:20Right. So the funny thing is, is this all started last season.
29:24I decided to build a model because I was working with fantasy points using their data and just said like, Hey, it
29:30would be awesome if I could use all of this charted information to basically say like, like from at the, at the
29:36highest point, I was just thinking like, we basically have both the offensive and defensive playbooks for every single situation that exists for the past like five years.
29:44So don't, doesn't that feel like something where we could run like a simulation of understanding like which routes bring value in
29:51what offensive system with which quarterback with down and distance, how the coverage is playing out all sorts of different stuff.
29:57So I ended up like building a model based off of that.
30:00And it became decently powerful last year. It was very high on Parker Washington, like kind of before he actually hit maybe
30:07like mid season saying like, Hey, he's in a role that's like pretty valuable on a small sample size on a per route basis.
30:14So I was trying to use some of that stuff to like understand like functionally, which guys would be valuable in fantasy.
30:20And that was one that like super hit. Now there's definitely times where it doesn't hit as much, you know, with any
30:26model, there's situations where it's like, it doesn't have the information of like, well, you know what now Jaden Daniels is out.
30:33So like, is Stefan Diggs really going to be that great this week against the Seahawks?
30:37Probably not. But I have built it coming into this season to be forward looking instead of like descriptive looking backwards.
30:43I have it now looking forward and trying to predict out like what would happen against this, this team if they're playing
30:50this team with this quarterback and all sorts of different stuff.
30:53You know, it's interesting. We already talked about Parker Washington, so I don't have to mention him too much, but he's showing
30:59up as like a basically elite wide receiver one this season.
31:02And it's, it, it doesn't, it doesn't care about the actual production.
31:06The player does have like, I think that that's like kind of misconstrued.
31:10It cares about if they're doing things that are valuable for the offense and becoming a focal point.
31:15If you think about like first read rate being something that matters, being the first read on a, on a play does matter for fantasy.
31:22And whether you get the ball or not, or whether it's a bad pass or the quarterback's able to get it to you.
31:29All of those things definitely have an impact, but just the fact that the team has basically said like, you're a focal
31:35point is extremely predictive of what's going to happen.
31:38Then like we talked about before route depth was something I was very high on this offseason, like talking about.
31:43And that's another really strong predictor of all of this stuff.
31:47Like a lot of times we see a dots and a dots don't always align back to route depths because sometimes players
31:53just don't get targeted deep at all. Uh, and they just do wind sprints, but then they get targeted like on their
31:59screen pass that they took or like a little like drag route or something like that.
32:04And so it just like, doesn't always match up a hundred percent.
32:07Uh, but receiver score like values these vertical routes, like very little because it knows, especially against teams that play like a
32:14too high defense, like those defenses are designed to stop a receiver and keep everything in front of them.
32:19So naturally it's going to say like, this guy's not really that valuable for this.
32:24Um, so those types of things that I think are kind of interesting knowing like the coverage with players on the field,
32:30um, whether they're in tight splits where they're out wide and like down in distance wise, like how the team utilizes these
32:36different players and what their role is in the offense.
32:39It's, it's basically trying to grade every single route and say like based off of all the routes combined, we believe that
32:46your expected target probability for the season is like 20%.
32:48Whereas like a guy like BTJ, it's like 15%, you know?
32:52So that doesn't always have to match up with the actual production.
32:55It's just like, that's a good way of understanding if someone's a fade or, or a buy low or, or what have you.
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34:56And then have you found a good stickiness with that year over year in the deployment?
35:01Because obviously there's going to be some... This is the thing with modeling that I think that we should just preface and
35:07say just in general is that you're generalizing a large sample to say this is what usually happens.
35:13It's not going to just always happen with every single player, as you noted earlier with like, yes, this is something that
35:19you could have seen with Parker Washington, but then there's going to be some misses in there and things that it just doesn't capture and see.
35:26But if you're looking at the route types and such, have you found there to be a good stickiness with that in
35:33the way that these teams are deploying these individual wide receivers?
35:36Is that different too? Like, does it become a little bit noisier when there's like coaching changes and obvious things that are just shifting within a team environment?
35:44No, I mean, so there are some things that are pretty predictive and the model takes into account all of it.
35:50A lot of it is like multivariate though. So it's like, yeah, running a slant is great, but like running a dig,
35:56a dig being like a 10 yard in basically off of play action is the most valuable route in all fantasy because
36:03a lot of times what ends up happening on a play action play.
36:07And this is the great part about the model is that I can, I can see what the implied target probability is
36:13for a player and then go watch the film and say like, do I agree with it or do I not agree with it on that individual play?
36:21But for a play action dig route, typically what will end up happening is those linebackers come up and try to stop the run.
36:28And so that dig route is designed to just be like right behind the linebackers and in front of the safeties.
36:34And what, what the model is telling me is that this is this, this route in itself, like in this combo of
36:40stuff is worth like two X any other route in football right now.
36:44And you see it, uh, actually Parker Washington runs it a ton.
36:48Uh, he did it last week and I posted a clip of it on Twitter because I thought it was relevant to,
36:54um, like the receiver score model stuff where I think he had Riley Moss on him in the slot and he, they
37:00did a little play action fake and he got like wiggled open and then he almost broke a tackle.
37:06He would have scored a touchdown if he would have like not gotten shoestring tackled.
37:10But those are the types of things that I think like the model brings out and that I'm able to go back
37:17to the tape and say like, does this make sense or does this not make sense?
37:21And for the most part it, it, it does like you can see the play envelope, like develop and how like the
37:27high low situation and route combos, like it's designed for this player to get the ball.
37:32What you asked, like by low strong buys, all sorts of stuff like that.
37:36So I'm going to, I'm going to take away the obvious names like Christian Watson, Parker Washington, strong buys, like model loves
37:43those guys, um, for many different reasons. And it takes into account like offensive environment and stuff too.
37:48But another one that I think is popping up, but I'm not sure is popping up high enough, uh, yet is Jalen Coker.
37:54The model absolutely loves him and basically sees him as like nearly the same level as Tedrow McMillan.
38:00McMillan in the model right now is getting a like wide receiver 14 ish ranking and Jalen Coker's at 15, right?
38:06But right behind him. And a lot of it comes from the fact that like there's so much target consolidation that happens
38:12in this offense, the way that they run their offense personnel matters too.
38:16Like if you think about it, if there's two tight ends on the field, that means that these other receivers have a
38:22higher implied target probability because tight ends usually aren't going to get targeted as often.
38:26Um, and then the other receiver on the field with them a lot of times is Xavier Leggett and he's just running like wind sprints down the field.
38:35The equivalent of a tight end anyway. Exactly. And so it basically is saying like the ball is going to these two guys like nearly all the time.
38:43Right. And then the routes that they're running, Jalen Coker is actually playing in the slot more often than Tedrow McMillan.
38:49And then he's actually, this is another thing that's valuable for fantasy is being the receiver that's in motion when the ball is snapped.
38:56And Jalen Coker is getting a decent amount of that compared to Tedrow McMillan.
39:00He's still playing in the slot. He's still in motion.
39:03He's just not getting it as much as Coker.
39:05So all of these like extra little, like what I call like fantasy cheat codes.
39:09You, you play, you probably played Sega growing up.
39:12I always think of game genie as like the thing, you know, all of these fantasy cheat codes, the game genie, if
39:18you will, for fantasy are all like aligning for Jalen Coker to basically offset what is probably already like a minimal talent
39:25difference between him and Tedrow McMillan to where it's like, these are basically a 1A, 1B caliber of player right now.
39:31And I think like the market hasn't fully caught up.
39:34I think we are all like in on the Jalen Coker hype, but most people are saying like, Hey, he's a wide receiver three.
39:41And the model is like, no, he's, he's a wide receiver two.
39:44He's a high end wide receiver two. And if they keep doing this and this offense, like overall their past, their past
39:51offensive sends could end up in that like backend wide receiver one category.
39:54Eventually is the data that you're working off of for Coker McMillan.
39:58Is that based off of the two game sample or is the, does that take off of what happened in 2020?
40:04It takes the previous history too. So like early season, it's going to have some of like what happened in, uh, in history as well.
40:11So that it's not just taking on this, but it is trying to understand the nuances of the, uh, Brad Edzik offense,
40:17which is obviously going to be a little bit different than what Dave Canales is doing.
40:22And so like trying to merge those two things together and then understanding that there's, you know, players get better, players get worse year over year.
40:30There's like different deployments that end up happening. So keeping in some history is helpful so that you don't get like these
40:36wild up and down swings, but there's still some like signal in like, well, they're doing something completely different with these players now.
40:43So we should adjust our prayers a little bit on these players.
40:46So we had a couple of big quarterback injuries this past week with Jane Daniels, obviously going to be on an extended
40:52period of time, Jackson Dart now out for the year.
40:55And so I want to ask you how you're, because we, I've seen so many takes about the pass catchers there specifically
41:02like Malik neighbors, I think is probably the biggest one that folks want to just understand and know more about.
41:07So where are you at with the remaining players on those teams and how you're looking at a McLaurin and a Stefan Diggs in the backfields as well?
41:15Yeah. So what I try to do is like value each individual quarterback and their replacement to understand like what the, almost
41:22like what a Vegas value would be for this player if they're in or out.
41:26Right. So when I modeled this for Jackson Dart going to Jameis, it's basically like a one and a half point like
41:33spread that you give based off of like Jameis being in instead of Dart.
41:37So like valuable, but not the most critic, like not the most critically different thing like in terms of replacement.
41:42Jaden Daniels is way different. 3.25 value over replacement versus Marcus Mariota.
41:46And so that's like a pretty big downgrade and it's not the biggest downgrade you could see.
41:51Like if Joe Burrow was out and we got, well, that's probably not a great example because we got Joe Flacco and he's, he's okay enough.
41:58But you know, if, if it was Patrick Mahomes and we had to go to like Justin Fields, I think you'd see
42:05like a five point or more swing in all of that kind of stuff.
42:09And we saw it with like, you know, they had their, their third string quarterback last year.
42:14Was it a ludicom or something like that? That was, that was, yeah, yeah.
42:18I tried to, I tried to black out or, you know, block out anything that happened with that offense towards the end of 2025.
42:25But yes, yes. Something crazy. So that's kind of how I'm value.
42:28That's how I start out my evaluation. And then I just kind of kind of look at like, okay, when Jameis has
42:34been out there previously, take away the Rams game.
42:37He was in like an unfathomable, unfathomable situation coming into a game against what I still think is going to be an
42:43elite defense this season with elite cornerback play. Aaron Donald actually looked awesome in that game too.
42:48Like he looked like nothing ever happened. All right.
42:51Now let's evaluate what he looks like in these other matchups that are coming up like, like this week.
42:56And I think the Titans have a very poor secondary right now.
43:00They're outside cornerbacks, their safeties, not very good. And their pass rush is also not like great.
43:05So I think it sets up for Jameis to actually be able to functionally operate where he can support one to two weapons.
43:11Whereas a guy like Mariota going against Seattle this upcoming week, like that's the worst situation possible.
43:16Right. Going to play, playing the Cowboys, which is like free fantasy points to playing against the Seahawks, which is like negative
43:23fantasy points, even for a guy like Jaden Daniels.
43:25That sets up for a really tough situation. Guys like this usually are only able to support like maybe one option in the offense.
43:32And Diggs is going to go against a guy like Von Weatherspoon.
43:36Shout out to University of Illinois. That's where I went to college.
43:39He's from my alma mater. And then Terry McLaurin also has a really tough matchup on the outside too.
43:45And so it's like, I don't want, I don't want anything to do with this commander's offense this week.
43:50But with the Giants, I'm totally into Malik Neighbors because I think Jameis will still unleash and unlock like some downfield passing.
43:56The question with Neighbors is really just the shoulder injury and whether he's going to actually play the full snaps and what
44:03that all is going to look like. We're recording this on Thursday.
44:06And so my mailbag will be out on Friday morning and then this will come out right after that.
44:12But on the mailbag, I talked about the Malik Neighbors situation in particular.
44:15And I looked at Jameis. Jameis Winston has the most just raw passing yards per start of any quarterback in the league since the start of 2024.
44:23Right. And this is a player who this is now spanning multiple offensive systems.
44:27Right. Last year, he was technically second among quarterback passing yards per quarterback start.
44:31Malik Willis, who had one start. He dominated the Ravens last year.
44:35He was in first. And yes, we're working with small samples here.
44:38But the year before that, it was seven starts.
44:41And that was when he unlocked Jerry Judy. And Jerry Judy became really relevant as a fantasy football asset.
44:46And like, I don't know, I feel like if we were to like, if I were to go to you and say,
44:53hey, Zane, beginning of the year, Jameis Winston is going to be Malik Neighbors quarterback this year.
44:58I feel like you might even be excited about that from a fantasy perspective.
45:02You know what I mean? I actually like this is not I did think about that before the season.
45:07And I was like, Jackson Dart, like concussions. We're going to see we're going to see Jameis Winston.
45:12My brother drafted Jameis in one of his big board drafts that are like 20 rounds deep as like a backup in
45:19basketball just because he was like this. This dude's going to play at some point.
45:23And with the extra two rounds, you can you can afford to make a mistake, I guess.
45:28But anyway, with with Jameis, like I also think of it as like a slight positive because he's unafraid to throw the ball into coverage.
45:35Right. And so that is super favorable for receivers.
45:38And then on top of that, the other thing that I think about with him is that he is less likely to
45:44take off and scramble, which just gets you like a few more dropbacks, a few more.
45:49Sorry. Past attempts in a game. Right. Exactly. So there's more target opportunity out there for a guy like Malik Neighbors.
45:55And I was looking at my ranks compared to like a lot of other kind of like consensus stuff.
46:00And I think I like I'm one of the higher people this week on Malik Neighbors because I think the matchup is great going against this Tennessee defense.
46:08And then I'm not afraid of Jameis Winston. It's really just coming down to like what the shoulder situation is for Malik Neighbors.
46:15And it seems like he's going to play. I think that it really comes down to the shoulder.
46:20So like if you're listening to this and you're like, hey, should I trade for Neighbors?
46:25It's just a, you know, like you and I aren't doctors.
46:28Like we can't say for sure how that's going to go down.
46:32You know, I've seen Jeff Mueller who does really, really great work, who is not as bullish about neighbor shoulder situation.
46:38And that's scary for sure. So you should factor that in.
46:41But at the same time, like, you know, and then there were also I should throw out there.
46:46There are reports out there from Shefty saying that the Giants could hypothetically look at a trade for a Mac Jones or
46:52a Gardner Minshew or something like that. To me, if it's Mac Jones, you could argue, hey, this might actually be still
46:59OK from just a fantasy perspective because he's been a very usable piece.
47:02You know, I think a lot of times when this kind of stuff happens, there's always these like dreamed up scenarios of like teams trading for players.
47:10So like I definitely don't want to go all in and say, oh, that's definitely going to happen because typically it doesn't.
47:17And I know Jameis just got a new contract and stuff, but I just don't know if they're really going to go down that path.
47:24So, yeah, overall, if we were to make these assumptions, because we kind of have to write when we're prognosticating here, you
47:30know, from a probability perspective, if Malik neighbors is healthy, if Jameis Winston is his quarterback, I still rest of season have
47:37Malik neighbors is like a high end wide receiver to like I still don't feel like he's been dominant with Tommy DeVito
47:43and, you know, Russell will like like washed Russell Wilson and all these quarterbacks drew lock.
47:48He had a 2.52 yards per out run rate with drew lock under center, you know, like Malik neighbors is a special, special talent.
47:54And I don't want a four quarter sample where his shoulder popped out of the socket and Jameis Winston came in off
48:01the bench to overshadow the greater picture. You have to remember that, like the situation is that they play in this NFC East.
48:07They still have three games left against the commanders and Cowboys, which are like two of the secondaries you want to exploit a lot.
48:14Like they're Swiss cheese in terms of defense. So yeah, like I think that.
48:18I think different leagues are going to have a different perspective on him.
48:22And in some leagues, people are probably really scared that own him.
48:26And those are the situations where like if they're willing to get rid of him for like a wide receiver, three level talent, do it.
48:33Go for it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, just like these are like if you can package up players that are fringe flex to,
48:39you know, usable like start worthy players and you do a two for one for a neighbors.
48:44I mean, you got to do that kind of thing.
48:47It's in my opinion. You got to play to win.
48:50You got to do that kind of thing all day long.
48:53The valuations are going to be all over the place.
48:56You can't definitively say you would buy or sell.
48:59There is a lot of doom and gloom speak about neighbors right now where we might be able to take advantage of
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50:17Nationwide Investment Services Corporation, Ember Finra, Columbus, Ohio. I want to ask you and get more into like what's been going on so far.
50:24What's been the most surprising thing for you from a fantasy football perspective so far this year?
50:29I thought I did not think so. I was not in on this like Dalton Kincaid like resurgence.
50:35Yeah. I knew like the fan. Like I knew that he was always like a huge targets per route run guy, all sorts of different stuff.
50:42But I kind of bought in. The analytics love Dalton Kincaid.
50:45That's what had me on him. And yeah, and I'm into I'm into the analytics, but I just never believed that he
50:52would get enough of the route share. Yeah. And that this offense would like transition into this crazy like point scoring passing
50:58offense that it turned into to elicit this to happen.
51:01It's funny because I so I worked closely with Dwayne McFarlane and we were talking about this like in depth on one
51:07of our pods that we did together. And we were talking about like the utilization in the preseason.
51:12And we both came to the agreement that if Ben Van Sumeren, the fullback on the team, didn't make the roster, that
51:19this would be a really positive thing for Dalton Kincaid because they would need to play this like more 1312 personnel situation
51:25or he would be on the field more. It didn't they didn't sign Ben Van Sumeren.
51:30They cut him. And then I was kind of like, OK, this is a wheels up situation a little bit, but I'm
51:36not going to get carried away with it because like still they could just decide to bring someone else in or whatever.
51:42Sure. But it's transpired into like roughly a 70 percent route share, which is like good enough for a guy that's going
51:49to get 30 percent target targets per route run.
51:51Right. Like at the tight end position, that's that's awesome.
51:54And then in an elite offense, you get like that that surplus value with like there's so much touchdown equity that can happen.
52:01They're putting him in like real receiving routes, not just like leaking him out of the, you know, doing like a press
52:07and release, like blocking and then kind of coming out and leaking out.
52:11And so like all of those things are are translating to this like immaculate season where I'm I'm kind of worried that
52:17I'm still too low on him at like tight end five.
52:21Like, I feel like, yeah, I feel like he could be tight end three or two or something like that.
52:26I haven't met. I haven't met three right now.
52:29Rest of season. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but that's coming from a perspective.
52:33Like I was I had him at tight end eight entering the year from a rankings.
52:37So I was way higher than the market on Kincaid.
52:40But, you know, that's not a, you know, guys, I like Luther Burden.
52:44OK, I always have to like throw out a something I got wrong.
52:48So people don't think that I'm just back patting.
52:50But I had a, you know, Kincaid a tight end eight.
52:53I think that I would very comfortably like he's in my top 50 rest of season.
52:58You know, whenever you add running backs and wide receivers and such, it's just the usage is amazing.
53:03And he's been so good per route run throughout his career from like a fantasy scoring standpoint.
53:08You know, like you said, targets per route run and yards per route run last year was incredible.
53:13And so right now the bills are leading the league in 12 and 13 personnel usage, too.
53:18And like that's obviously what you were talking about just now and the way that the bills would would kind of transform
53:25their offense, you know, with and without the fullback, especially.
53:28And I think that we're seeing that. So, yeah, I mean, is that the player?
53:32Would you say that you were lower on or that you you're nervous about moving forward of you maybe didn't get enough
53:38or you weren't like high enough on him? And now there's just some some nerves because he's performed so well.
53:44Yeah, that's one. Another one would be Jonathan Taylor.
53:47But I kind of like knew that Jonathan Taylor would do what Jonathan Taylor is doing.
53:51It was just a fade on like how sticky.
53:54So I did some research this offseason about like running backs who aren't pass catchers that end up with like these crazy like high point totals.
54:01And you've probably done research like this, too. So it's not like rocket science, but it's one of those things where it's
54:08like the offense has to thread the needle of being so efficient in terms of like being so good at like scoring
54:14points and stuff for non pass catching running backs to bring like this crazy surplus value.
54:19Right. And instead, this season, we've actually seen him get a little bit involved in the past game.
54:24They kept him on the field a lot for all the routes, which makes sense when you look at like what they have behind him.
54:31Last year, they at least had Amir Abdullah in some ways so they could supplement him sometimes.
54:36But this year, they've they've truly left the roster like barren behind him.
54:40My fate on him was a lot to do with his ankle, too.
54:44Like he has every single season. He has had like a right ankle injury.
54:48And I'm just like waiting for that like workload thing to have have happen.
54:52Yeah. It's not like again, we're like I draft in portfolios.
54:55So it's different than like a person that's doing one draft.
54:58I took Jonathan Taylor and in a lot of situations, too.
55:01But I just took less of him than I took of guys like Chase Brown and Kenneth Walker and and others, which
55:08I think are also like going to be fine in fantasy.
55:11James Cook, another one. But it's very clear, like when you look at the utilization data right now, it's like Jonathan Taylor
55:17is just an absolute smash in fantasy football right now.
55:20You can't like replace the fact that when they get inside the 10, they're going to keep running and they're just going
55:26to hand it off to him a bunch of times.
55:29And yeah, he's just going to get all of this touchdown equity.
55:33And he's also doing the pass catching stuff right now, too.
55:36Yeah. I mean, I had a soft fade on him, too, from I had him at like the the reason for mine
55:42in the draft guide and such is because I like James Cook more.
55:46That was the bottom line. I just had James Cook rank like like most rankings had Taylor over Cook and I had Cook over Taylor.
55:53So I was like, hey, this is a situation where it's in the first round.
55:58So I'll call it out. And yeah, I mean, his usage has been phenomenal to start the year.
56:03Like you said, he's getting a lot more of that receiving stuff than than I definitely anticipated him seeing.
56:08I don't know if it's going to maintain to this degree necessarily, but.
56:12Yeah, I mean, the Colts splits and his splits.
56:15Rich Rebar, Rich Rebar brought it up on one of the episodes that I did with him on players to avoid where
56:21Rich talked about how Jonathan Taylor is the most sensitive to game script than any other running back in football, where if
56:27in Colts wins, he's dominant and Colts losses. He's, you know, a 12 PPR point per game type player.
56:33And, you know, in the first round, that's scary.
56:35That's a scary proposition. So far, it's been fine.
56:38So far, it's been working out. But I think the back end of that first round in general is just looking really
56:44good because a lot of those running backs are are just in really good speed.
56:49You know, obviously Kenneth Walker smashing right now, rest of season.
56:52I still have Kenneth Walker ranked ahead of Jonathan Taylor.
56:55So if you ended up, you know, going Kenneth Walker, you're still fine.
56:58And like you said, Chase Brown, I think it's still like he's going to be better than what he's been to start the season.
57:05More than likely, he's been fine to start the season.
57:08But I still think there's more to come, you know, with someone like Chase Brown.
57:13But yeah, I think it's a really good one to call out.
57:16Was there anyone that you were high on versus the market?
57:19And it's kind of been off to a rocky start.
57:22You know, I just threw myself out there with the Luther Burden take so that, you know, people don't get angry at
57:29me when they listen to the podcast back. But is there is there anyone that you were high on that you're a little bit nervous about right now?
57:37Yeah. I mean, Harold Fannin is one of those guys.
57:40I was pretty high on him. I think I had him ranked like so what I try to do is like I
57:46do an ADP adjusted rank and then I do a regular rank where I'm like if I was truly ranking these players
57:52without like ADP being a factor, this is where I'd put them.
57:56And my without ADP being a factor rank for Harold Fannin was like 75th or something like pretty high on him.
58:02And I like I kind of anticipated that beginning of the season would be a little bit rocky in general, knowing that they have a new offensive line.
58:10So there's like, you know, a potential for that offensive line to just not be able to give any time for protection
58:16that he would have to potentially help block to which would take his route share down a little bit.
58:22And that like if Watson was playing quarterback, what I had read during the offseason was that they would probably go with
58:28a more like run heavy approach because they just don't really trust him too much to get the ball like downfield and all sorts of stuff.
58:36And they would open it up more with a guy like Shador.
58:39Not that Shador is great, but like he's he was technically a more accurate type of quarterback coming out of college.
58:45Yeah, better distributor. Yeah, so that's one that's like super scary to me because like, you know, week one, we basically saw nothing out of him.
58:53Week two, we saw a little bit more progress.
58:55Like I think he had five targets for reception, something like that.
58:59But in general, that team is going to be really bad.
59:02And I know that they won this past game and everything.
59:05But but like watching watching week one of the Browns was truly like something where you just where the coaches come back
59:11to the film room and they say, we're burning this one.
59:15Like we don't we don't want this anymore. Yeah.
59:17And, you know, I good thing that they won week two.
59:20But I think that that actually sets up for Deshaun Watson to have a little bit of longer leash.
59:26And I don't get to see what happens with Shador.
59:29And my thesis behind all of it was like we saw Harold Fannin last year with Shador.
59:34He got 20 points in a bunch of different games at the end of the season.
59:38And I figured like he would just play in this like weird PPR scam role.
59:43And I didn't think like, you know, Harold Fannin superpower is that he is a crazy yak monster.
59:48Like he can break tackles left and right. He's not super fast, but he can he can break tackles left and right.
59:54And I felt like that wrote that role was insulated from the offensive situation because all it really takes is for him
60:01to to to just like release off the line of scrimmage into the flat.
60:05And it's like, all right, we're going to pass this like one yard pass to him and let him like cook.
60:11And so far hasn't really transpired so much. And I I think I underrated like what the offensive system changes.
60:16And like, yeah, Sean Watson and the offensive line, all sorts of stuff may have happened.
60:21But I'm I'm still like I'm going to hold on to it a little bit longer before I like fully give up on him.
60:28Yeah, you should do that for every take. I think right now, right?
60:32Like it's been two games. I don't think that we can just definitively say unless it's Marvin Harrison Jr., you know, definitively say I was out on head.
60:40Yeah, I was just lower on the entire Arizona off like literally all of them.
60:44So I was wrong so far with like the Trey McBride stuff, too.
60:48I actually think like Michael Wilson's kind of an interesting buy if you want to just throw the dart and such, because
60:54to me, there's and I've been saying this on a lot of shows this week.
60:59There's almost no way that Trey McBride continues this per route run target rate that he's seeing right now.
61:04It's like 40 percent per route run when, you know, the thesis for me with McBride, which is probably my answer for
61:10this or for the other one, I guess the guy that I was low on that I'm a little bit nervous about.
61:17You know, my thesis with McBride was that he ran 100 more routes than any other tight end since 2016, at least 2016.
61:23And obviously the way that you combat that is that you get more volume per route run, which is exact.
61:29He's seeing a 60 percent increase in targets per route run right now.
61:33You know, like I certainly didn't project that. So anyone who's like, why would you fade Trey McBride?
61:38I'm like, well, did you see the 60 percent increase?
61:41Because the the regression from a routes from a raw route volume standpoint has happened.
61:45Like we're not seeing nearly the same kind of route volume that that we saw last year from Arizona.
61:51And so I don't really feel bad about that.
61:53It's just, hey, so far in two games, which is a very small sample, he's been targeted at a really high rate.
62:00And so that's why I'm like, OK, this is probably not going to sustain.
62:04Marvin Harrison Jr. has looked like garbage. I was a harder fade, probably a Michael Wilson than I was Marvin Harrison.
62:10But I mean, it's whatever. It's a middle round pick.
62:13I'm not like that upset about he hasn't done anything either.
62:16I have an opportunity now to get in on Michael Wilson when I didn't get in on him enough.
62:21And I think that's this is probably the time to do something like that just based on how they've been deploying that off.
62:28Yeah. And my latest receiver score article where I covered like every single receiver that that's possibly valuable in fantasy.
62:34I have Michael Wilson as a buy, not a strong buy, but a buy.
62:38I guess a wide receiver three to four level type of player is he's running a lot of routes that are actually pretty valuable.
62:45Like when they talked about that Devante versus Puka type of stuff.
62:48The hard part was like understanding that the Rams when they did that one, they have Matthew Stafford, too.
62:54They didn't have Trey McBride. So like, how do you play that as a factor into all of this?
62:59But for the most part, Michael Wilson is kind of playing like this, like, all right, I'm doing some underneath stuff.
63:05They're using me in motion, like all sorts of stuff like that that are that are more conducive to like fantasy points.
63:12So that's why I like the model likes him and thinks basically thinks Marvin Harrison is someone to drop.
63:17Yeah, that's all. That's that's where I was at this week.
63:20I was like, you know what? If you're in like a 12 team deep league or something like that, and you just
63:27want to see if what happens if Trey McBride's not hyper targeted or you just want one more matchup or something.
63:33Wait it out. But yeah, I mean, it's it's it's bad for Marvin Harrison Jr.
63:37It's it's I don't even want to say it's only him.
63:40I want to keep the door open for like if he gets a change of scenery or something like that.
63:46But it goes back to what you were saying earlier from a deployment perspective, right?
63:50Like he's just running. He's not seeing a lot of first read or he's he's not the first read on a lot
63:57of these these targets and drop backs. And then on top of that, it's just a lot of like, as Harmon would say, sacrificial X type stuff.
64:05And that is very bad for fantasy football. Exactly.
64:07And he's he's like never in motion, like they're not doing anything to help him at all.
64:12Like he is getting quite literally like the whatever the negative of game genie would be.
64:17He's getting that like on on all Madden. He's playing on all Madden.
64:21That's what it is. Yeah. And look, I mean, like we can sit here and say, oh, man, this offense isn't helping him.
64:27The coaching staffs on helping him. And I'm like, at some point, you got to just say, you know, you can't just
64:34keep blaming the coaching staff for for that player.
64:36I think there's some players where if the peripherals are really strong and you see like I I felt that way about
64:42like Josh Downs entering the season where I'm like, he's actually been really good even when lined up out wide.
64:48Like he's he's he's shown something right. Like there's something there.
64:51So if we do get that uptick and routes run and route share, we should see more production from a player like down.
64:58So I bought into that, whereas with Marvin Harrison Jr., it's like, what are we what are we really latching on to here?
65:05You know, there's I will say there's some people who are like, oh, he's so he's been so, so bad.
65:11And he's I don't think he's been so, so bad like like he's been fine, but it's just the expectations were so high.
65:17So we naturally will say that he's been so, so bad.
65:20But I think he's been so, so bad in 2026.
65:23I think he's been really, really bad to start the season.
65:26All right. Just a couple more questions before I let you go.
65:30So I want you to give me a buy candidate, sell candidate moving forward.
65:34Sell candidate, Rashid Rice. Yeah, you're just out. You just just sell low right now.
65:38Well, I feel like so. People might just look at the box score and say, like, hey, you got 80 yards.
65:44Like things are back to normal. There's priors, though.
65:47But the model just really doesn't like him. Like he is not being deployed similarly year over year.
65:52His route depth is further down the field, which in theory he had the opportunity to to get like more depth to
65:58his route, like do stuff further down the field because he was doing so much like very short stuff.
66:04But that's not his game. Like he is not shown that he is able to separate from cornerbacks and safeties and linebackers
66:10very well when he works further down the field.
66:13So it's kind of interesting. My my stuff tells me like his implied target rate on a targets per route run basis
66:19is like 12 percent that it would expect for him for what he's done so far, like what his deployment has been.
66:26Not what it projects for rest of season. So, like, to me, that's like, man, I want out of the Rishi Rice
66:32business ASAP because we've seen it and a lot of people talk about it on Twitter, too.
66:37But like they are using Kenneth Walker to the nth degree.
66:40OK, and so they've they've established the run and they have less of a need to do these like five yard passes.
66:46And you just saw a game where my homes threw for over 300 yards and it basically took like a last drive
66:53or two, like 30 something yard gain for Rishi Rice to to hit that 80 yard play.
66:58And it's just like we're just I think we're we're kind of like, you know, if people are still feeling like he's
67:04wide receiver to worthy in terms of like value, I would do that trade in our like give me Drake London.
67:10If someone's off the Drake London bandwagon, I would rather have Drake London than Rishi Rice.
67:15I think that that he has immense more upside and opportunity with Penix at the helm than anybody else.
67:20My rest of season rankings right now have Rishi Rice is like a high end wide receiver three or something like that.
67:27Like it's it's it's pretty dire based on versus where you would have drafted him at.
67:31I think Rishi Rice is such a good example of the fragility of talent at wide receiver in particular, right?
67:37Where like if it's just a role that's been kind of creating this, there's a possibility that it would just continue and
67:43he could dominate, you know, like like there was that possibility in his range of outcomes, which is why, you know, I
67:50still didn't rank him like, you know, I think I had him at like 15 or 16 or 16.
67:55Or something entering the season. He was going at like 12.
67:58So it was like he was going higher than that.
68:01But this speaks to just the fragility of like the importance of understanding the position and the talent side of things.
68:07And, you know, there's people like, like, again, I'm shouting out Harmon again, but, you know, Harmon, like charting these guys just
68:14being like, hey, this is a role that Rishi Rice has played.
68:17But guess what? He's not like this phenomenal, phenomenal player at the position, which I think a lot of people would understand.
68:24And so just buying into a role is a lot more fragile than buying into a player, you know, and I think
68:30that's what that really comes down to. What about on the reverse side of a buy?
68:34I know that we kind of mentioned Michael Wilson is like a soft buy, but is there anyone that you're like really, really excited about buying right now?
68:43Yeah. Josh Downs is one that I'm very interested in buying with the news on Alec Pierce.
68:47Of course, I think it makes it less easy to buy.
68:51But even before that, the fact that he's getting this like pretty much elite route share and still like functionally doing not
68:57the exact same stuff like he is working a little bit further down the field.
69:01But when I was on with Harmon this offseason, we talked about it.
69:05It was he has the opportunity to work further down the field like that would be a good thing for him because
69:11he was working so short for most of most of his routes that it would be nice for him to do other things.
69:18And so far, they're deploying him that way and they're using him in motion off of play action, all sorts of different stuff.
69:25I just think like he did have to me like a really tough matchup week one that that Raven secondary to me is like pretty, pretty solid.
69:33And then week two, we saw him get targeted a lot more and everything.
69:37But I don't think people are buying him to the level that he should be bought at.
69:42Like people are still going to value him at like wide receiver, like mid wide receiver three like tier.
69:47And I think he's going to ascend to wide receiver two over the next couple of weeks.
69:52So that's one of those things where I'm like, man, I think we need to get in now before that price gets too high.
69:59Because after they play Washington in week four, I'm pointing at the camera.
70:03After they play Washington week four, when he scores like 20 points that week, it's going to be really hard to get him.
70:09No, I'm with you. He was a buy for me on the 15 transaction show this week.
70:14So very much same page there. All right. Last question before I let you go.
70:19Give me a fire take a hot take for week three of this NFL season.
70:23Oh, my God. There's there's too many. No, this is the week where we get Bayshall Tootin all roads lead to Bayshall Tootin.
70:29This is the week where we get the breakout Bayshall Tootin.
70:33All roads, baby. All roads. All roads. We need it.
70:36We need that. There's been a lot, a lot of God, a good coach speak around Basial Tootin.
70:41And I mean, there's been a lot like he looks amazing.
70:44He's looked so good to start the year. I'm very, very much on board with that.
70:49As you know, you're just you're just pandering right now.
70:51You're just you knew that I'd be all about I'd be all about.
70:55I've been on the Tootin bandwagon, too. Like, yeah, I did all the.
70:59So one of the articles I wrote last year was like fixing the Jaguars offense.
71:03And I wrote about how like Travis HN, whatever you want to call him.
71:07He got so lucky last year in terms of how the blocking developed for him.
71:12You go back and watch the film. His yards before contact was insane.
71:15He would get like these lanes where you could drive a truck through them.
71:19Right. And that's how he scored a bunch of like longer like touchdowns, touchdowns and stuff.
71:24And then Tootin, it's like, oh, nope, there's not good blocking.
71:27And like he would still do like successful things with it.
71:30But now we're getting to see him in like more of a focal role.
71:34And I think the coaching staff is realizing like this guy's good.
71:38Like we should just be using him more substantially.
71:41So eventually it's going to happen. And I told people before the season, the way to do this is you need something.
71:47I call him like a like a like an opener.
71:50So, you know, in baseball, they have like the guy that does like the first inning and then they go with their starter.
71:56It's kind of the same thing for week one and week two.
72:00Like and maybe even week three, we'll see. Like you needed somebody that you could functionally put in at RB2 instead of Tootin.
72:07And Chuba was like the guy that I wanted for that because I was like, I'm pretty sure early season, like he's
72:13going to do a lot of stuff. And then then you have the opportunity for Tootin to show what he's doing and then eventually take over the backfield.
72:21Exactly. That's how you need to like pair players together.
72:24Every year, man, every single year when I talk about ambiguous backfields, I have to preach patience with it because generally speaking,
72:30these guys that do emerge because it's not even going to happen more frequently.
72:34You're just going to see a split backfield all season.
72:37But of the guys who emerge, it doesn't happen week one necessarily.
72:41You know, it's a it's a slow burn. You know, you're you're just kind of waiting and you you are get you're
72:47gathering data as the season goes on and get data as in what you're watching and also what you're seeing, you know,
72:53from just a data pure numbers perspective. But you're gathering that data and you're saying, oh, wow, this guy is clearly better than this other guy.
73:01And so we should start to put our chips more on that player, you know, as we as we move forward, you know, in the season.
73:08And I think that we're there with Bashaw Tootin at this point where he's just played really, really well.
73:14The coaching staff is seemingly I mean, they talked about today getting more involved as a pass catcher, you know, and it needs to happen, in my opinion.
73:22I want it to happen very much so, as most people know who have listened to this show, because I've been, you
73:28know, joking around about the the all roads leading to Bashaw Tootin thing.
73:32But that wasn't just based on just like fun vibes or anything like that, like the prospect model, the zap model, love Tootin.
73:39I liked him last year. It was a wrong call last year in liking him.
73:43But I do think that this year it really could happen just based on the way that he's performed in week one and week two.
73:50It is going to happen and it's going to happen this week.
73:54That's the that's the hot take. That's right. That's right.
73:57That's right. How could I forget? How could I forget?
74:00Zane, this is awesome, man. Let everyone know where they can find you and all the good stuff you're going to be doing this season.
74:07Yeah, you guys can find me on Twitter at Danani Zane.
74:10Most of my written content is on fantasylife.com right now.
74:13I have an article on receiver score matchups and injury and coach speak kind of news that that I output every week.
74:19Then I have my own YouTube show on the cut up show where I kind of go over all the utilization trends,
74:26prop bets, different things that I'm thinking through through the week.
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