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0:59Welcome in. It's the Late Round Fantasy Football Show.
1:01David Kitchen here alongside hatless JJ Zacharyson. JJ, how are you?
1:05I'm good. There is for the audio listeners who listen in the podcast feed.
1:09Now on Saturdays, P-Trip in chat is giving odds on whether or not I wear a hat on the stream.
1:15So today's no hat odds were minus 220. So I'm not wearing a hat.
1:19You're not getting that good of a payout though if you bet that side.
1:23Yeah. All right, JJ, we are two games in and we still have so much more left like to go.
1:29So as far as like your process, this is our sixth show of the week.
1:33Six episode of the week. Yes. And so we have a lot going on.
1:37And then you are also updating the rankings more frequently now.
1:41Yes. Yes. Um, I am updating a lot more frequently because we have the website.
1:45Um, is my, is my, is my connection bad right now?
1:48Is that what people are saying? You sound fine.
1:51Yeah, it seems fine, right? Yeah. Come on, P-Trip.
1:54You can't be doing that on a live show, throwing that out there that, that there was a, a wifi issue or something.
2:00Um, but yeah, anyway, uh, I, I'm, I, you know, the, the, the website, the way things are, are set up right
2:07now, I can update rankings a lot. Quicker, you know, we're getting those out, uh, super fast.
2:12I was able to, to update them already this morning.
2:15Uh, this is Friday, uh, you know, post Thursday night football.
2:18So, yeah, I mean like it's a, you know, at the beginning of every season, it's always a, um, you know, like a learning curve.
2:25You gotta, gotta kind of get used to your new schedule and, and such.
2:30And I think that, you know, this week has gone, gone pretty well, all things considered, you know, it's a short week too, because of labor day.
2:38I work on labor day every year, but you know, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's nice to kind of get in a
2:44rhythm and this is a rhythm that we'll be in for the next 16 weeks.
2:48Okay. Uh, yeah, we've got all of our rankings, our members Q and a, our discord chats happening.
2:54You can get there late round.com and purchase the insider or all access package.
2:58Uh, so as far as the stuff we have going on Sundays will be popping in the chat.
3:03It's already been popping in the discord chat, but it'll be popping even more Sunday mornings.
3:08Uh, so make sure that if you remember you are in a discord or you're just looking at the rankings, we have timestamps up for those.
3:16So should be fun, but JJ, we can't. And next week, rest of season rankings start.
3:20Yeah. Next week. Yes. Yes. So, uh, had you, had you already said that was I, was I, okay.
3:26I'm no, you're good. It's a great, a great start to the week one episode that we have going on here.
3:32If I've discovered anything, it's like there's, I told you this earlier.
3:36It's this mix between like the seasons over or the preseasons over and the real season is about to begin.
3:42So I'm like sandwiched between still like customer service stuff and answering emails, helping people on board and also looking forward to this upcoming week.
3:49I'm ready to get into a routine. JJ, I, I can't wait.
3:53And I'm also ready to get in today's into today's news and notes.
3:56Today's fantasy news. All right. Lots of talk about today.
3:59Two games in last year. We hadn't had the, uh, the Friday game.
4:03I think that was the Brazil game yet. Um, so two games in JJ want to get some, some reactions from you
4:10and let's start, start with last night, and then we'll go to the Thursday night or the Wednesday night game.
4:16We'll start with last night and let's start with the Rams tight ends because you were out there battling on the internet
4:22streets, uh, this morning and last night with, uh, with some trolls.
4:26Yeah. A lot of people were, uh, we're coming at me.
4:29This is just the way that it works during football season.
4:32I'm not complaining. It's fun. And if I'm responding to people, I am not upset.
4:36I promise it's just me having fun. That's all this is.
4:40Okay. So if you guys see me on Twitter, you don't need to say don't respond to the trial.
4:45I'm fine. Okay. This is just, and unless you're going to start digging at like me and my family or something like
4:52that, that's when I'll actually get mad and I'll, you know, do something about it.
4:56But when it comes to football talk, whatever, that's all fun and games, right?
5:00That's what we're here for. I like to converse with people.
5:04I like to have conversation about this kind of stuff.
5:07Otherwise, why would I, why, why would I be doing this for a living?
5:11Like, why would this be my job if I didn't like talking about football with everybody?
5:15And so the Terrence Ferguson thing is really interesting to me, the way that people have reacted.
5:20Now I'm going to say a general thought that I think everyone should take away from this show.
5:26If nothing else is that you, me, people in general will be overstating the living crap out of what goes on in week one.
5:33I mean, it is unreal how people, I mean, remember last year, Keon Coleman was a league winner after week one last year.
5:40You know, there's, there's going to be stuff that the Raiders beat the Patriots last year in week one.
5:45You know, like we have to remember that this is just one game.
5:49It, it, it, I don't really care. I mean, of course I care about production, but I want to see, you know, initial usage.
5:56I want to see kind of what these coaches might be thinking about these players and then dig into the reason why.
6:03Okay. So obviously, you know, I like Terrence Ferguson.
6:05I think that he's a good prior. I thought he was a good prospect.
6:09I think he's a good prospect still. If you want to call him that there's a lot to like about the Rams offense in general.
6:17And a lot of people on social media posts this Thursday night game.
6:21We're essentially saying that it's just a hive mind, you know, group thing type exercise when it comes to a player like
6:27Terrence Ferguson, where analysts are always wrong and they're wrong about this once again.
6:31Okay. Like eightfold, but let's get through it. Terrence Ferguson was a late round pick.
6:36If your expectation is that a late round dark throw ish type player is going to hit and hit right away.
6:42Your expectations are all out of whack. You need to fix those expectations because double digit round picks do not give you
6:48fantasy production at a very high rate whatsoever. Okay.
6:51That's the first thing. The second thing to me, you know, I, I fall in line sometimes with what the general hype
6:58is saying about players, but I'm not doing it simply because, you know, it's, it's a very basic way of, of approaching
7:04the game or there's like a very big, I'm trying to dig in and I'm trying to tell you guys how I actually feel.
7:11I feel about these players. And so with Terrence Ferguson, there is a lot of good data that suggests that previous season,
7:18a dot and previous season slot rate for late round tight ends, give them a higher chance to succeed the following season.
7:24And you obviously you, you want younger tight ends year two, year three tight ends as well, generally.
7:29And so Terrence Ferguson, check those boxes. Now he's not one of those players that are tight end.
7:35That's likely going to have a top two target share on his team.
7:39And that was always a big hurdle, but he was someone that I think could have been like, and maybe he's so
7:45can, you know, like a high end tight end to low end tight end one type player and fantasy football things really clicked.
7:52And so obviously we see what happens in week one, which was, he had one target.
7:57He didn't catch a single pass. He was a zero.
7:59Now I had him ranked at tight end 24, 20, 10 and 25 or something at the beginning of the week.
8:06So it's not like I had very high expectations for Ferguson going into this game.
8:10When you're throwing late round darts in your draft, the expectation is not that they're going to, again, produce in general, but produce right away.
8:17Otherwise they wouldn't be late round picks, right? Of course we'd want that to happen, but that's just, that's just not realistic.
8:24Okay. So I sent a tweet out after halftime that said Terrence Ferguson at a 73% route share, which was factual.
8:30We have a great partner this year with our data and we're going to be able to do stuff like that more
8:37frequently and get some of this data and more real time.
8:40And it's awesome. And hopefully you guys enjoy those insights and the data dumps this year are going to be even better.
8:46And so I had that data and I sent that out.
8:50Guys route share matters. Mount route share matters a lot at tight end and that wide receiver.
8:55And in fact, with today's data in just a second, we'll be talking about route share and its importance to fantasy production.
9:01But here's a little, a little tease to this.
9:04Okay. If you look at tight ends 2016, who have had a 70% route share or better 66% of them scored 10
9:10or more PPR points per game in that season.
9:13Okay. Unfortunately, Terrence Ferguson had a 22% route share in the second half.
9:17So his route share was like 48% in the game overall.
9:20And the biggest problem for Ferguson is that he needs to overcome not playing much at all in 11 personnel.
9:26The majority of his routes are coming in 12, 13, mostly 13.
9:29They play so much 13, 13 personnel. So there's a lot of tight ends on the field.
9:35And then he's running routes in those, in those scenarios.
9:37But I did say this to somebody on Twitter that I think is a really important hypothetical to walk through and to think about.
9:45Okay. As we go into week one and we think about how to manage our fantasy teams and what's predictive and what's not.
9:51So here's a hypothetical that I want to throw out to you guys.
9:55Okay. Consider a, uh, you have, you have two bench tight ends.
9:59Okay. And it's week one week ones done. You didn't use either of them.
10:03Okay. They were on your bench. Tight end. A has a 20% route share in week one, a 10% target share and 14 PPR points.
10:10Okay. Tight end B has a 70% route share, a 5% target share.
10:14So the target share is lower than tight N a and doesn't score a single PPR point.
10:19Which tight end would you find more attractive to go after off the waiver wire after week one?
10:24And to me, it's the guy who didn't score a single fantasy point, but ran a route on 70% of the team's
10:31dropbacks versus the one who ran around on 20% of the team's dropbacks.
10:35If you go and you look at players who there hasn't been a single player since 2016, who had a sub 30%
10:41route share at tight end and scored more than eight PPR points per game in a season.
10:46So the reason why we care about route share is because in order to get a target and then to get a
10:53reception and then to get a yard and to maybe get a touchdown, you have to be running a route.
10:59And in order to run a route, you need a high route share.
11:02You need the team to be deploying you and allowing you to run that route.
11:07And Terrence Ferguson in the first half was doing that.
11:10If Ferguson had a 70% route share throughout the entirety of that game, he would be easily the best more than likely
11:16the best tight end waiver wire pick pickup after week one.
11:20There would almost be no doubt, even if he only had that one target.
11:24Right. We're looking at peripherals because peripherals can help us predict the future.
11:28Now it didn't happen, you know, because of the second half of that game.
11:32So, you know, the Ferguson stuff I think is just more of like you can drop them in some leagues.
11:38That's fine. I think that that's a reasonable thing to like.
11:41Like I, you know, like if you're in a 12 team or a shallower 10 team league or something like that.
11:47Yeah. I mean, like you threw that dart in round 14 round 15 and it didn't work right away.
11:53And if you need space, whatever, I get it.
11:55I understand that. I'm still trying to hold on because I think there's talent there.
12:00And I do think the Rams offense looked like absolute garbage.
12:03And so they might be changing things up and they might want to, you know, switch the way that they deployed their tight ends.
12:10But my gosh, the response me sweet tweeting about a 73% route share and people being like, oh, but where's the fantasy production?
12:17Where do you think fantasy production comes from? It's coming from guys running routes that this is what we want.
12:23And look, I'm not kidding when I say this.
12:25This is why we still have an edge in fantasy football is because people are choosing tight end a in that scenario.
12:32They're choosing the guy who had a random 14 PPR point performance off of a 20% route share when that is totally, totally unsustainable.
12:39Whereas the guy with the 65, 70% route share, that's the guy that you want in your fantasy route.
12:45There's going to be some players out there like a K.
12:48Dot and Theo Johnson last year was kind of one of them who has a high route share and just doesn't give you that amazing of production.
12:56But there's a difference when you have a year two player who was a good prospect in a really good offense.
13:02That's that's the logic behind a Terrence Ferguson type ad and type play.
13:06So I just want to walk through the process of all of that because I think it's very important this time of year week one.
13:13We're looking at peripherals because those peripherals will eventually lead to fantasy points.
13:17Yeah, and you mentioned it in the discord chat.
13:20Maybe the most concerning thing wasn't Terrence Ferguson at all.
13:23It was the people that had paid up for Devante Adams.
13:26Yeah, like if you want to complain about a player in yesterday's game, it's 100%.
13:30I mean, maybe Matthew Stafford, but it's 100% Devante Adams.
13:33You know, Adams had a lower snap rate. Although, again, I think snap rate is a metric that gets a little bit
13:40overused at pass catcher because obviously like they're going to be out there on run plays.
13:44That's not that important for fantasy purposes. Like we care more about the route share stuff.
13:49But even Devante Adams, he missed out on a route in the green zone last night, you know, within the 10 yard line.
13:56And Puka Nakua played all of those those. Remember, I talked about this on the 10 trends episode earlier this week where,
14:02you know, Devante Adams was used so much in that, you know, within at the goal line within the 10 yard line.
14:09Puka Nakua played more than he did in that area.
14:12Puka Nakua, if that continues, like if that were to just continue the rest of the season, Nakua could break records in fantasy football.
14:19Like, because the Rams, the Rams passing attack is not going to be that bad every single week.
14:24It's just not going to happen. And so, like, it was kind of an insanely encouraging usage for Puka.
14:30And then for Devante Adams, yeah, like that's the guy you spent a fifth round pick on, maybe a sixth round pick,
14:36but a fifth round pick on Devante Adams. And he does what he did.
14:40You know, the Terrence Ferguson stuff, even the Matthew Stafford stuff, like you can replace those players.
14:46And that's why they're late round picks. And that's why we can throw those darts and just see what happens.
14:51But the Devante Adams thing to me was a bigger deal.
14:55Yeah, and we'll talk about the Wednesday night game in a second.
14:58But Niners defense looked really good. Seahawks defense looks really good.
15:01You know, you know, just have to keep that in mind.
15:05A little bit of context. You're talking about your players.
15:08Yeah, and Sean McVay has historically been really bad against Kyle Shanahan for the record.
15:12So it's another another thing to keep in mind.
15:15Okay, we had Kramps McCaffrey out there. I didn't know.
15:18No one knew this until today that he was dealing with Kramps last night.
15:22You know, I had a lot of Caelan Black in that game.
15:25It honestly looked good. And not a lot of runs, rushes in that first half, at least for CMC.
15:31Yeah, I want people to be careful about the way that.
15:34And look, I'm saying this as like, you know, your analyst, right?
15:38Like you're listening to the show right now because you want to hear analysis.
15:42And the way that I kind of approach this is that like, I want to do this with you.
15:47And then I want to I want to say tell you guys like what I'm looking for and looking at in order
15:54to not overreact or underreact with these players. Caelan Black, there was one run, I think, in the third quarter where he
16:00kind of hit the outside and he went in between like the corner and the D end.
16:05Maybe as a linebacker and he cut it and he, you know, he was like a 15 yard gain or something like that.
16:12And the late round discord was like, man, Caelan Black looks really good.
16:16He looks really good. And then you look at the replay and the hole that he ran behind was just gaping.
16:22Right. And so you can't I'm not saying you discredit Caelan Black for that.
16:26You know, obviously, that's the offense that he's in and he hit the hole and he played it right.
16:32I mean, he gained good yardage, but it's not as impressive as if a player is breaking arm tackles and doing, you
16:39know, going going that route in order to do so.
16:41And so it's kind of interesting, like when you look at the advanced metrics from the game last night in that backfield, Caelan Black was good.
16:49He had a 3.57 adjusted yards after contact per attempt.
16:52Christian McCaffrey was at 5.22 last night. CMC looked really, really good when he was actually doing things.
16:57And it was all between the tackles when he was doing a lot of his awesome work.
17:02And then the other thing, too, is that Caelan Black had a lot better yards before contact than than CMC did, but like half a yard.
17:10So he was in more advantageous situations. And then he wasn't necessarily doing quite as much as CMC was after that initial contact.
17:17I thought Caelan Black looked good, though. You know, he I don't I don't know if he's going to be used that
17:23much as like a receiver, but it was sort of like a and we'll get to this in a second to a
17:30sort of like a a Rams backfield in the way that they deployed, you know, maybe we won't get to that.
17:36Are we going to get to the Rams backfield at some point?
17:40Yeah, we can talk about it. But the the Caelan Williams Blake Corum thing where we're like, you know, Caelan Black wasn't running a ton of routes.
17:48Christian McCaffrey had a 50% route share. He had a 44% targets per out run rate, which is absolutely bonkers.
17:53So I think the cramps probably played somewhat of a role here.
17:57He only had a 33% rush share, 55% snap shares, basically like one of the lowest that we've seen in a completed
18:04game from him since he joined the 49ers. I think the cramps probably played some role.
18:08He didn't have the same kind of like training camp and, you know, August that that he's that he's had in the
18:15past are probably going to slow play it a little bit.
18:18But I don't think that we're going to see the kind of usage we saw last year from CMC.
18:24Probably not a terrible thing for fantasy, though, because he'll end up hopefully then being fresher and staying healthy.
18:29And, you know, obviously, like last year was awesome to do such a PPR scam.
18:34But, you know, this year, I think that he can still be an RB one very easily.
18:39Given how well that offense performed last night, it's a really good defense on paper.
18:43Niners offense look good in general. Mike Evans look great.
18:46It's what user bougie says. I mean, he I mean, you think about just all the stuff that happens in preseason and
18:52we kind of got a reality check because what happened?
18:55Dajon Stribbling had got had all this steam behind them.
18:58People were kind of fading Mike Evans because of all the injuries.
19:02We talked about it on this show. You liked Mike Evans last night.
19:06He looked vintage. Mike Evans. Dajon Stribbling goes down with an injury.
19:09We're hearing it's an ankle injury, not an Achilles.
19:12So that's good. And then Demarcus Robinson steps up into that role.
19:16Yeah. So post injury. And this is another thing that I can finally do a little bit more with more detail with our data.
19:23But post injury, Demarcus Robinson led the 49ers in route share at 77%.
19:26So that's definitely interesting. If you look at him pre Stribbling ankle injury, Robinson had 26% route share.
19:32So it went up to 77%. That was by far the biggest difference in differential because you look at Mike Evans.
19:38He had 71% post injury. Pre-injury is 59%. Debo 42% to 59%.
19:41You know, there was like a rotation that we saw there.
19:45The one thing that was kind of interesting to me was that while Stribbling was active last night, Mike Evans was playing
19:51more in the slot than I anticipated. Like, I think it was like a 36% slot rate or something like that.
19:57And then he finished the game closer to like 15, 17%.
20:01That, I mean, obviously that's good from just a creating advantageous matchup standpoint, but that's not really what Mike Evans has done historically.
20:07And so I think Stribbling did give them a little bit more of that versatility in the offense if he was going to be a full take.
20:15Cause he can be like, they were using him on, on non pass plays frequently cause he can block well.
20:21So, so I think that injury does hurt like the versatility of things, but then you're going to see more of that target funnel to those other guys.
20:30Demarcus Robinson is the one that kind of gets the most natural boost from the injury because he goes from someone that
20:36you weren't thinking about at all to someone who obviously is going to be on the field a good bit.
20:42All right. Blake co-run, I'm pushing, putting that because he looked good while running the ball, JJ.
20:47Yeah. Look, I, I, I said this in the discord today.
20:50I might become like a Kyron Williams truther this year, which is hilarious because it's just not been on brand for me
20:57necessarily over, you know, at least last year or two years ago, maybe.
21:01But yeah, like it's just wild to me that people are saying that this is just like, like I saw, you know,
21:07sleeper had a tweet where, you know, and I understand that social media people on these big platforms, you know, they're like
21:1424 year old kids just trying to get engagement and such.
21:17Right. And so, but they sent a tweet out that was something along the lines of like, it's a true, uh, a
21:23true battle, like a true split or something like that, or timeshare.
21:27And it really wasn't a true timeshare between Blake Horham and, and, and Kyron Williams.
21:31Kyron Williams had a 63% snap share, Blake Horham 23%.
21:34Uh, it was an even 70 to 30, or it was even 70 to 30 when that game was within seven points,
21:41uh, when, when the Rams were running their offense, uh, within a touchdown.
21:45I talked about this on 10, on the 10 trends episode earlier this week too.
21:49And I think that I'm glad that I talked about it because I think we saw it come to fruition where we
21:55need Blake Horham to do more as a receiver.
21:58Otherwise he's mostly a handcuff that isn't going to give you the most predictable production unless, you know, for sure, the Rams
22:05are going to go into a game and, and slaughter the opponent and, you know, be in this really nice, positive game script.
22:11But Blake Horham ran one route last night, guys.
22:14He ran one route and he was very, very inefficient per route run last season.
22:18So look, they're going to rotate drives. I, you know, look, if you look at what happened, like close to the end
22:25zone and in the red zone and stuff, they did use Kyron Williams, uh, more than Blake Horham in the red zone last year or last night.
22:33Uh, but with that being said, you know, they're, they're rotating drives.
22:36That could have just been like a luck thing for Kyron that, that the good drives he happened to be on the
22:43field for, and he was the main running back on the, in those positions.
22:47But Kyron had a 72% route share last night and Blake Horham, like I said, had one route run.
22:53So he needs to see that pass catching stuff for him to be like a legitimate threat from a fantasy perspective.
22:59And there's nothing in the data that suggested that should happen.
23:02Like Kyron Williams, when he came out of college, people forget this.
23:06He was like a really, really, really good pass catcher.
23:09Like that was his thing. He was a, a questionable, you know, how much work is he going to see given his
23:15size on the ground type of player and prospect, but his receiving profile was borderline elite.
23:20And so Kyron Williams seeing work through the air is probably going to continue to happen, especially if they do end up
23:26falling into these negative game scripts, which is what happened last night.
23:30And that's going to be really good for his fantasy value.
23:33Overall. You need more work as a receiver to be able to be a legitimate threat to, to be start worthy each and every week.
23:40So until we see that change more consistently, I'm not going to be, you know, super, super thrilled about Blake Corum, at least from like a predictability standpoint.
23:49Yeah. We were robbed of some sort of rushing touchdown when they tried to sneak in Matthew Stafford at the one.
23:55And then also we were robbed of garbage points.
23:58I thought we're going to get some garbage points at the end.
24:01And then he trots out, you know, with three minutes left.
24:04Yeah. Stetson Bennett and the back. I forget who the backup running back was, but guys that you like.
24:10Yes. Yes. Guys that you remember from like the prospect guy two or three years ago.
24:15Yeah. Getting to the game on Wednesday night. Patriots.
24:17We're just reminded about the brutal nature, immediately reminded about the brutal nature with, Sam Darnold going out and then AJ Brown also being hurt.
24:25Yeah. So AJ Brown's injury, I think is so like, obviously like the Sam Darnold thing, it sounds like it's only going
24:31to be, or it sounds like it could be like a week or two.
24:35Like it's not nearly as bad as it initially seemed.
24:38I thought Drew Locke actually played. Okay. He's got a little bit of rushing juice, you know, from a standalone value, maybe super flex standpoint.
24:46You know, I think JSN was bailed out a little bit on that touchdown in terms of fantasy production because New England,
24:52they even talked about it after the game. They kind of sold out on the run on that play.
24:58And then obviously JSN took advantage. JSN is unbelievably good.
25:01You know, we had talked a lot about him with best ball and such, because I kept getting like the 105 to 107 in these best ball drafts.
25:09So I have a lot of JSN in my portfolio.
25:12I think that the way he combats a lot of the efficiency from regression that's going to come from last year is through more volume.
25:19Just naturally, Seattle's probably going to throw more. The defense looked good, obviously, in week one, but I don't, I still don't
25:26think it's going to be as good as it was last year because it's just really hard to maintain that kind of dominance.
25:33So we'll see what happens there. But JSN's fine.
25:35Even if Drew Locke is starting, I think JSN's fine.
25:38Do you have some? Go ahead. No, I was going to say, what were you going to say there?
25:44We have some breaking news that Tua is out.
25:46Not going to be planned. We'll talk about that in a second.
25:50But I want to get to the Jadarian Price usage because Jadarian Price looked really good.
25:55Again, looked really good. But then we were just reminded about the Seahawks backfield.
25:59Yeah. Yeah. And I want to do the A.J.
26:02Brown stuff, too, just if people are curious about.
26:04So since I'm talking about the Seattle, I'll talk about Jadarian Price.
26:08So Price had a 48% rush share, a 50% snap share, a 41% route share.
26:12Those are all the things I talked about on the mailbag episode this week.
26:16If you look at that at face value, it's RB3 type usage from a fantasy perspective.
26:21It's high end, maybe mid RB3 type stuff, like RB30 type usage.
26:25The problem, obviously, is that he was subbed out for Emmanuel Wilson on that short down and distance play close to the end zone before they were penalized.
26:33So it didn't really count. So we don't really have data for that because it didn't count.
26:38But he was subbed out in short yardage down the distance.
26:41And so that means that he's probably not going to be the goal linebacker.
26:45And then, you know, the route share was 41%, which is it's OK, but he wasn't playing on third downs.
26:51He wasn't running routes on third downs. That was George Helani.
26:54And I know that it's frustrating and I'm with you.
26:57I think it is frustrating because I thought Jadarian Price at least looked good.
27:01He looked explosive. You know, the stuff that we liked on the ground from him in college definitely was translating.
27:07But Seattle's a team where last year I said this on the show this morning, the mailbag episode.
27:13But Seattle's a team where they split their backfield last year and they were rewarded with a Super Bowl win.
27:19And the guy who helped them get there and get it done was the MVP of the game and Kenneth Walker, who
27:25was fresh, you know, and eventually Jadarian Price is going to have Zach Charbonnet coming back from injury.
27:30And so I do fear for sure that Jadarian Price is going to be more lives up to expectation where he was
27:37drafted in terms of points per game and such, but doesn't necessarily far exceeded.
27:41He's going to have spiked weeks because he has big playability.
27:44But I don't think he's like bench worthy or anything like that.
27:48I'm just saying that I don't know if we're going to see a league winning type season from Jadarian Price this year,
27:54just based on the fact like if if we would have seen a scenario where he had like a, you know, like a 75% snap share.
28:02And he had a 55% route share and things were, I would feel better about this.
28:07But the fact that they are using George Helani, the fact that Emmanuel Wilson is still involved, the fact that Zach Charbonnet
28:13is going to be coming back eventually. And the fact that they have this history of the way they deploy the backfield last year.
28:20And by the way, Kenneth Walker, I think we should say is a better player than Jadarian, like veteran Kenneth Walker is
28:27a better player than rookie Jadarian Price. Now I might not end up being that way, but I think from a projection
28:33standpoint, we should make that assumption, generally speaking. And so I don't mind Price.
28:37I think he's a hold overall in fantasy, but I do think we should temper expectations that, you know, as good as
28:44players sometimes look, it's not the way that that volume always matches.
28:47You know, the teams can do whatever they want in their backfield.
28:51And I think Seattle, at least over the next couple of weeks, will probably still use more George Helani than we want is what I'll say.
28:59And then the last thing with this game, AJ Brown, I'll just give you guys some some route share numbers before and after that injury for AJ Brown.
29:07So Demario Douglas actually led the team in routes, which is crazy.
29:10But he went from a 74% route share pre-injury to an 83% one.
29:14Now, keep in mind, they were trailing down the stretch in that game and trying to come back.
29:20So they were running out of a lot more 11 personnel.
29:23We'll see what happens, you know, now that this is like solidified and they know going into the game, they're not going to have AJ Brown.
29:30I think we might see a little bit more 12 and Eli Raritan getting a little bit more work, even though he did score that touchdown.
29:38But Eli Raritan might get more work without AJ Brown.
29:41So Demario Douglas goes from a 74% route share to 83%.
29:44Romeo Dobbs only had a 53% route share before AJ Brown went down.
29:48And then it turned into 79% when AJ Brown was out.
29:51Matt Collins is probably the biggest one, the biggest jump.
29:54He went from 21% to 71%. And then Kyle Williams, 11% to 21%.
29:58So, you know, if you were to like throw a dart at someone on the waiver wire, I'm probably saying Mac because
30:05Demario Douglas is kind of a lower ceiling asset in the way that they deploy him.
30:09I also worry about what happens if they run more 12.
30:13So Matt Collins is probably the guy, but I just, I think it's going to be a committee approach, a wide receiver, if you will.
30:20It's like, we saw this last year, right? Like this is the, essentially the wide receiver room from last year, except you
30:27have Romeo Dobbs instead of like Keishon Booty. And it's not like we were like eager to start these guys week in and week out.
30:34So I think that's the way we got to look at it right now.
30:38Also, Drake may 0 for 12 against teams with winning records right now in the NFL.
30:43That's kind of crazy. That is pretty crazy, but we don't, we don't say bad things about local hero.
30:48Drake may on that. Okay. All right. Yeah. He's from, he's from the area that I live kitchen.
30:54Sorry. Let's get it. I don't, I don't need, I don't need the may family to come to my house and stuff.
31:00All right. All right. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
31:03No, no. I think it's all very valid. Like last year, I, I remember tweeting once about the Patriots schedule and we
31:10still meme about it in discord all the time.
31:12I was pretty close cause they almost won the Superbowl.
31:15I made a banner about, uh, you know, them, them having a good regular season record or something like that.
31:21But, uh, yeah, I mean, like I, I, I think it could be somewhat of a thing, but look, people are looking
31:28at, I saw the, the one comparison to Shador Sanders of over their last like five games or whatever.
31:33Yeah. Drake may has played a gauntlet of tough defenses over his last handful of games.
31:38So let's give him a little bit of a break.
31:41I still think Drake may is a very good player.
31:44I didn't see the shooter Sanders one. I definitely shared the, uh, the cam ward one with my, uh, cam ward shocker.
31:50I just needed some, anything to make cam ward look not bad.
31:54A hundred percent. I'm just going to auto retweet for me.
31:57All right. Uh, speaking of quarterbacks, Tua is out.
32:00So let's, let's lead with this and we'll get into the Bowers and Jacobs news.
32:04Tua is out. Cooper rush going to be starting for the Atlanta Falcons week one.
32:09How good do you feel about those Drake London B John Kyle pits teams right now?
32:13What are you saying? Like you feel better that Tua is out?
32:17That with them? No, no. I honestly, like I, I felt, you know, Tua is not good.
32:22Um, we need, we need Michael Penix. We need Michael Penix under center because Michael Penix with, with Drake London last year
32:28or Drake London with Michael Penix last year was awesome.
32:31Uh, and so I, uh, I definitely, or at least over the last since, since Michael Penix entered the league, uh, Drake
32:38London's peripherals have been amazing with Michael Penix. So we just need that to, I think it's going to happen sooner rather than later.
32:45But yeah, I mean, I think it's like probably a slight bump down for these guys.
32:50Uh, you're still playing B John Robinson. I think Drake London is probably a little bit overvalued by the market right now,
32:56but just this week, but regardless, starting him though, still playing them.
33:00Yeah. Unfortunately, it's, it's not, it's like, you know, you might, you might honestly have a better option, but you would have
33:06a very hard time benching Drake London. Right. Um, so yeah, like those two guys and then Kyle pits, you know, I
33:13moved down to the bottom of his tier instead of towards the top of the tier, but I don't think that there's
33:19really that big of a difference here because it's not like we had high expectations for Tua anyway.
33:24It's just going to be a matter of, I think how they disperse their targets, because we would feel a lot better
33:31about B John Robinson with Tua because he's had this tendency, regardless of personnel to dump it off, especially since all the concussion stuff has happened.
33:39All right. Now let's get to the Brock Bowers news going to be out at first.
33:43They said like, you know, one or two weeks, it sounds like it's going to be later than that.
33:49He had like a month, month and a half.
33:52Yeah. A little bit of his meniscus trimmed. Yeah.
33:54No big deal. Yeah. Just the padding in between your, your, your knee.
33:58So it's fine. Yeah. We just, we just, you know, we just go to the local store and we just get our meniscus trimmed and we're fine.
34:06And we're only out for a week. It's no big deal.
34:09No, I mean, it's bad. If you, if you can get Michael Mayer, I would pick up Michael Mayer.
34:15I think he could be a tight end one without Brock Bowers.
34:18I mean, I talked about this on the show that dropped earlier this morning, Michael Mayer's peripherals last year without Bowers 2.22
34:25yards per outrun rate, you know, 28% targets per outrun 12 PPR points per game and a really bad offense.
34:31Like there's a lot to like about Michael Mayer without Brock Bowers.
34:34So I think that if you have Bowers and I do on some teams, I picked up Michael Mayer on some of
34:41them, you know, in the non, and I think I only had about like, I only got Bowers in leagues where they
34:47were shallower, you know, the stuff that I preach all the time about going after onesie positions.
34:52So Michael Mayer in those situations should be, or was available when all that happened.
34:57I think he's actually going to be okay. Michael Mayer.
35:00And we'll talk about him in a little bit.
35:02Yes. Yes. I, um, I benched George Kittle last night for Michael Mayer based on our rankings and that first drive for the Niners.
35:09I was like, you're cursing my name. What have I done?
35:13But it turned out okay. All right. Yeah. Uh, we have more, more of a roller coaster with the Josh Jacobs situation.
35:19Now it looks like, uh, he's going to plead guilty to some lesser charges, uh, there.
35:24So we had all of our legal experts in the chat.
35:27It was nice. Say, I will say it was nice in the discord having multiple lawyers in the chats that, uh, were,
35:34were kind enough to kind of break things down for.
35:37Unfortunately, lawyers though, know that they can't speak in absolutes because they're smart people.
35:41Yeah. They're giving themselves some outs. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just really difficult.
35:45There's like different jurisdictions and it's all, you know, so he pled no contest, Josh Jacobs, which essentially isn't a mission of
35:52guilt without having to say like, like I did this.
35:55Right. Um, and so, you know, he's still on this exempt list.
35:58I sent a, a message to, to, to discord members on yesterday.
36:02So on the 10th, and I said in the redraft channel that I actually think Josh Jacobs now, like in this, there's
36:08a very short window probably where I might try to trade for Josh Jacobs in my redraft leagues for very little, you
36:15know, just try to low ball something and see what, cause the headlines right now are he pleads no contest.
36:21He's still on the exempt list. Like that's, those are two very bad things, but realistically, as he's on the exempt list,
36:27it can, it can count towards his suspension. So if they deem that it's a six game suspension, you know, he's already serving one game.
36:34So it's five more. So that that's kind of, I I'm now of the belief that I think Jacobs is going to be suspended for six games.
36:42Now, you know, Drew Davenport, who's a friend of the show, who's done a lot of, of good legal work in the past.
36:49You know, he makes the point. And then I think is important is that Jacobs being put on the exempt list to
36:56begin with kind of does signal that there could be something at the NFL, whether it's that video, that's kind of been
37:02rumored going around or whatever the case may be at the NFL.
37:06Has like more information than what the public does.
37:08But I do think that the most likely outcome right now is probably a six game suspension.
37:13And we'll see though, because I, you know, Marshawn Lloyd shows up and there's probably going to be more of a committee
37:20in the green Bay backfield whenever Josh Jacobs comes back, if he comes back.
37:24So still a lot up in the air, but that's kind of my feel right now.
37:29And yes, it's gross. I get it. You know, I'm not, I'm only saying this from a fantasy football perspective and analyst
37:35perspective, not, you know, a real light. If you don't want to trade for Josh Jacobs, totally understand.
37:41Yeah. Okay. The guys that we are concerned about, Jinty, love, neighbors, even though he, you know, put out some stuff that
37:47looks like he's on track to play. All these guys on track to play for week one.
37:52So that's good. Keep an eye on alerts on Sunday morning.
37:55And, but the last thing is that Alvin Kamara looks like he's going to be playing week one.
38:01That's a shocker to me. Yeah. I'm not, I didn't really change that much with the HN ranking.
38:06I bumped them down, I think one or two spots just because we could end up seeing a little bit less pass catching from them.
38:13But I, you know, it's hard to project what Alvin Kamara's workload is going to look like just in general.
38:19So, you know, let's just see what it looks like.
38:22Like I'm fine with just being kind of a week late.
38:25If Kamara is useful in some way, I don't think that people are going to have to play him and week one in most leagues.
38:33And it probably does do a little bit to Travis HN.
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39:39All right, JJ, we're looking at route share versus PPR points per game for 2025 tight ends.
39:44All I'm doing here is giving you guys a visual.
39:47So sorry to the audio listeners out there, but I'm giving you guys a visual of how correlated PPR points per game is to route share.
39:55Okay. Now, the way that R squared works, you're the TLDR saying that this is how much this, how much this variable explains this variable.
40:02Right. And so when you have a larger sample of like bad tight ends, like this one showing, you can see that
40:09cluster in the bottom left of this chart. That's just going to increase your correlation, your R squared number.
40:14And so when you go out on, I've said this before on the show, but if you go out on the Twitter
40:21streets on social media and someone's asking you what the R squared is of whatever you're looking at, it's kind of irrelevant
40:27without understanding the sample and getting any sort of comparison.
40:30Right. What I can tell you is that within this sample that I'm using, which is every tight end that basically ran
40:37routes last year and played eight games or maybe not even, I don't even think that was a qualifier.
40:42But what I can tell you is that the R squared.
40:46So how much of this explains this? It's the easiest way to think of it.
40:50The R squared for route share versus PPR points per game is almost identical to target share versus PPR points per game
40:56because route share is very, very important. You can see some of these pictures in the top, right?
41:02Where you get like, you know, the Bowers, the Trey McBride, George Kittle and Tucker craft are these anomalies who are not
41:08getting as good of a route share, but getting really good points per game.
41:12Kyle pits a little bit below the trend line, but the trend line is so freaking strong, which is why the 73% route share.
41:20You can see all the tight ends last year who were above the 73% route share mark.
41:25And there's not many of them. And that's where Terrence Ferguson was in the first half, which is why I sent that tweet.
41:31So this is going back to the Terrence Ferguson conversation, but I want you guys to visualize how strong that correlation actually
41:38is between route share and PPR points per game.
41:40All right, let's get on to the main event for week one.
41:44I'm excited. The late round main event. All right.
41:47These are players that you like more than consensus, JJ.
41:50Yes. So we'll be doing this every week. We'll go through some players that I like more than where consensus has them ranked.
41:56It's kind of hard this week to, I had to remove players that had already played.
42:01So whenever I give you guys the ranking here, it's without the players that have already played.
42:06So like I had, you know, like Stafford ahead of, which was a mistake ahead of like Tyler Shuck going into this week, but so did consensus.
42:14So Tyler Shuck is my quarterback that I'm going to call out first.
42:18I have him four spots ahead of consensus. It's a domed environment against Detroit.
42:22Shuck scored 19.6 points per game over his final six last year.
42:26You know that he brings some juice with his legs.
42:29The Lions have a below average secondary and the Saints are going to have to keep pace because the Lions offense is obviously good.
42:36And they also run at a fast pace. So I like Shuck this week, four spots higher than, than where consensus has.
42:42Okay. Running back, we have Mr. Chris Rodriguez jr.
42:45Yeah. I'm actually higher on tootin as well this week.
42:48I think that both of them can, can eat and what should be a positive game script for Jacksonville against Cleveland.
42:54They're one of the biggest favorites. I think they're the second biggest favorite behind only LA this week.
42:59So good positive game script against the Browns. I, I think that we're going to see more of an, an even split.
43:06Like we, a lot of these ambiguous backfields, you guys are going to give up on some players guaranteed because it happens every year.
43:13You're going to give up on some players early on, but a lot of these ambiguous backfields are, they'll start out as more like 50, 50, 55, 45.
43:21And then once a player, you know, deems himself to be better or shows off that he's better, you'll start to see
43:28that, that sort of shift towards that player and in that player's favor.
43:31And then obviously there's injury upside too. So I think we're going to start the season with, with Chris Rodriguez and Basial
43:38Tootin in a pretty even split with Tootin, Tootin probably running more routes in general, uh, at least on early downs.
43:44But, uh, there's a positive game script. That's where, that's where Chris Rodriguez can thrive.
43:49He's really good between the tackles with nothing else.
43:51Okay. Wide receiver. We have friend of the show, Mr.
43:54Ted Roy McMillan. Yes. T-Mac. Uh, I have him four spots ahead of consensus this week.
43:59The Panthers want to be run heavy. We've seen that with Dave Canales, but they might not be able to, uh, in this matchup against Chicago.
44:07T-Mac rotated into the slot a lot in the preseason, like a 40% rate.
44:11I don't think we're going to see that high of a slot rate for him, but it is really intriguing for what
44:17he could do from a production standpoint. Chicago last year was an above average matchup against wide receivers.
44:22I don't think we're afraid of this defense, but they were an above average matchup for, for perimeter wide receivers and wide
44:29receivers in general, but they were the number one team overall in points per game allowed to the slot.
44:35So it's a slot wide out. So if we get, um, you know, or points per game allowed to slot wide, I
44:41was like, you know, obviously a, a Frankenstein of them, not just the guys who are being lined up in the slot, uh, throughout that game.
44:49So T-Mac good matchup overall could be really interesting if they do throw a lot.
44:53Uh, I also think he's just a good player.
44:56Okay. Tight end. Of course we have Mr. Michael Mayer.
44:59So to get the consensus ranking for Michael Mayer, I tried to find people who had updated their rankings, you know, by
45:05like well after the Brock Bowers and rehab. And I'm six spots ahead of the market with Michael Mayer this week.
45:11I'm very high, uh, without Brock Bowers last year, I already mentioned this 28% targets per outrun rate, 2.22 yards per outrun
45:1812 PPR points per game, really good matchup against Miami.
45:21It's a tight end friendly offense with Clint Kubiak there.
45:24I think Michael Mayer is going to be good without Brock Bowers in the mix.
45:28All right, next let's do bold predictions for week one.
45:31This guy was, if you listened to the Austin Eckler perspectives episode, he was featured there.
45:36Now he's going to be featured here. Yes. Uh, I, I'm, you know, I was in on a Mario Hampton.
45:42Like I, I, I didn't like have them call them out as a, as a target per se, but I didn't mind
45:48him at all where he was being drafted because I could see the bowl case.
45:53I thought he was a really good prospect as well.
45:56Um, but I, I, I'm saying my, my bold prediction this week is that he's going to be the RB one in fantasy football, like the RB one.
46:04So it's bold. I'm going to say why they're bold.
46:07These predictions, like I do with the bold predictions article I do each year, because that way then, you know, people can
46:13understand, you know, the context, but right now he's ranked as the RB seven.
46:18So I think it is bold saying that he'll be the RB one on the week.
46:22It's the biggest favorite on the slate though. The chargers are and keep Mitchell, I think is, you know, fine enough and
46:29probably we'll see an okay enough workload, but he is a little bit banged up or he, he has been banged up.
46:35So maybe we don't see the same kind of work that he would otherwise see.
46:40And that could just lead to more Amari and Hampton behind, you know, an offensive line that finally has their tackles back.
46:46Okay. Uh, we also have a Malik Willis bowl prediction.
46:49Had to go, had to go with Malik Willis to, uh, to kick things off, uh, kick, kick the season off because
46:56I've been talking about Malik Willis so much, but I'm going to say he outscores Jaden Daniels this week.
47:01We're talking about the consensus QB 11 versus the consensus QB 18.
47:05I don't think this is that bold though. I really don't like, I know the names make it bold.
47:10But it's really, you know, I'm cheating a little bit.
47:13Cause I just don't think it's that, that bold.
47:16I'm scared of that Philly defense, which is who Washington's playing against.
47:19Uh, the, the Washington offensive line took a big hit when Tunsil went down.
47:24Uh, Willis has a much better matchup against the Raiders and his team total is only like a point lower than what Washington's is.
47:31So I'm going to, I'm going to say that Malik Willis outscores Jaden Daniels this week.
47:35And again, I don't, I don't think it's like that massive of a reach.
47:40All right. Um, next let's get to the look ahead waiver wire.
47:43And again, these are guys that you're not rostering for this upcoming week.
47:47You're saving some cash, JJ. It's like, it's, you know, it's, it's prime week or whatever, you know, the black Friday you're,
47:53you're anticipating that you're going to need someone. So you're adding these guys before they're expensive.
47:58Yeah. I mean, we'll see. Some of them are, are definitely players that like I liked this week, you know, unlike the
48:0515 transactions episode and stuff like that. But you're right.
48:08This is the idea behind the look ahead waiver wire is to get cheaper assets than you will next week.
48:13So try to predict what might happen in week one or look at upcoming matchups and saying, oh, this guy's a good matchup.
48:20So he could go off next week and people are going to be into him.
48:25So I'll start a quarterback, CJ Stroud gets Cincinnati next week.
48:28I think Cincinnati secondary is way better than what the market does.
48:31I will say that. I think they're like, I said, didn't I say it up before that?
48:37I think they're going to win the Superbowl this year.
48:39Like they're my Superbowl pick. Yeah. Like I, I, I think Cincinnati's defense is going to be better than what it was last year.
48:47And so we're looking at this matchup. We're saying Cincinnati looks great on paper.
48:51And I'm like, it looks okay on paper. And I do think that there's going to be back and forth nature to
48:57these games because of Joe Burrow and such and what that offense can do.
49:01But regardless, CJ Stroud, we'll see how he, how he looks in week one against Buffalo.
49:06He could be a streamer next week at 29% rostered over on Yahoo.
49:10And he gets Cincinnati Malik Willis gets San Francisco.
49:13He's at a 40% rostered right now. San Francisco looked good defensively last night.
49:17So maybe I could remove this, but you know, this is more just the, will it, let's see what Willis does.
49:23This week. And I'm, I'm obviously high on him from a fantasy perspective.
49:27So those are the two quarterbacks I would look ahead to entering week number two.
49:31I'm going to take a sip of this. You can kind of introduce the next, the next group.
49:36Yeah. We've got Keaton Mitchell on here. And again, Kalen Black on here.
49:40You can't really add him probably right now, but true.
49:43Look for next week. Yeah. And I have these other guys on here too, like Debo's on here.
49:49Um, you know, Demarcus Robinson, the Patriots wide receivers.
49:51We talked about all of them. So you know what?
49:54I'm just going to remove those guys, but the market, look, Demarcus Robinson and Debo are really interesting because they get Miami next week.
50:01That's obviously going to be a pretty good matchup.
50:04We'll take Kalen Black off of here. And there are some leagues that you can still do it.
50:09Yeah. You can still pick up a guy and start them next week.
50:13Yeah. But Keaton Mitchell, he's still available in 41% of leagues.
50:16Chris Brooks, it's more speculative. Like what if they, you know, use more of him than we think here in week one?
50:23I think that might be possible too, because Minnesota, uh, their defense has been, you know, is, is, is good and they
50:29might be able to get to Jordan love and they might want more of a pass protector back there, which is what Chris Brooks is.
50:37So I can see Chris Brooks being a player that we're highlighting in waiver wire columns next week, which is kind of what this exercise is all about.
50:45Um, so those are the two running backs and I, I want to shout.
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51:54Kayshawn Booty was a guy, I think that the Patriots might be like, ah, maybe we should have kept him now.
52:00Yeah, like different wide receiver than A.J. Brown, but they definitely could use the depth right now.
52:05That's for sure. You know? So yeah, I mean, I think that trade was kind of weird when it happened to begin with.
52:12But I think Booty, you know, I talked about him on the mailbag episode where if Houston does run a lot more
52:18heavy 12, maybe 13 personnel, because they have just as many tight ends on that team as they do wide receivers right now.
52:25So if they run more 12 personnel, we're going to see Nico Collins on the field, obviously.
52:30But then Booty is probably the other one that we'll see most frequently.
52:34And that can be good for his fantasy value because we see more efficient touches when there's fewer wide receivers on the field.
52:41But then me being okay with Kayshawn Booty does not mean that I'm fading Jalen Knoll.
52:46He was a target in the draft guide, Jalen Knoll was.
52:49The upside, I think, rests with Jalen Knoll more than Kayshawn Booty, because there was a lot to like about what Knoll did last year.
52:56Like he was very vertical out of the slot, kind of like, I mean, I don't want to, I don't want, I
53:03don't want to do the kind of Parker Washington-esque in that way.
53:06He's not built like Parker Washington. He's a lot smaller than, than Parker Washington is, but he's also, I shouldn't say a lot smaller.
53:13He's, he's not as much of a running back build as Washington is, but he still is like, you know, like he
53:20got a Randall Cobb comp coming out in the, in the zap model last year.
53:24Jalen Knoll did. He was good on a pretty good on a per round run basis, all things considered.
53:30So I think Jalen Knoll is still very interesting.
53:32It's just, I don't know if you're going to get production right away from Knoll, but I could see a scenario where
53:39he's highlighted in waiver wire columns next week, because maybe his route share just looks better.
53:44Maybe they move them outside more than they did last year.
53:47And we get those little hints of them wanting to deploy him more.
53:51And I think he's a really talented player. So we could then be ahead a week or two ahead with a player like Noel, if that's the case.
53:59So keep him in mind. Uh, Don Tavian Wicks.
54:02I've talked about so much on the show at this point.
54:05So you guys know why, uh, I'm, I'm into Wicks where, you know, Makai Lemon had a bad preseason, didn't really practice that much during training camp.
54:13I think Wicks is going to start out as their number two wide receiver.
54:17Uh, and they have a good matchup this week too.
54:20Devon Valey, same deal with, uh, with Jordan Tyson being out, he should be their number two wide out and then throw that dart at Pat Bryant, man.
54:28There's a lot of steam coming out of Denver.
54:31And, uh, as everyone knows, I'm the biggest Cortland Sutton hater on the planet.
54:35You know, they, they said that, um, he could have a bigger role than expected initially.
54:40So, uh, good news for him and those that, you know, have like Pat Bryant on their dynasty rosters or best ball rosters.
54:47My question is this, you know, these guys could be big play guys.
54:50Inevitably there's going to be some receiver. You mentioned Keon Coleman from last year that just goes off week one.
54:56And you're like, yes, I've got him or I need to get him.
55:00How are you measuring just like the, the flukiness of that versus like, all right, this guy, this is a legit signal.
55:07I need to add him. I always say like, I think it's really important to look at the historical context of that player.
55:13And also just in general, like I always go back to the Puka Nakua example when he went off in week one, what do you have?
55:21Like 15 targets, I think in his first NFL game, like it was crazy.
55:25Yeah. And so like I, I had him as a late round dart throw that year in the draft guide.
55:31And I'm not saying that to pat myself on the back, but I'm saying that in kitchens, kitchens, look, yeah, no.
55:37Yeah, you did. Yeah. My ultimate hype man. But no, like with Nakua, there was at least something interesting to his prospect profile.
55:44Like he had a really good yards per out run rate.
55:47I was getting a lot of steam out of Rams camp.
55:51And then if you looked at historical context of rookie wide receivers in week one, who did anything like that, they usually
55:57went on to have really good rookie season. So it was a lot easier to buy into that and say, Hey, blow
56:04your, your free agent budget on hookah or at least spend a lot and get him and then kind of ride this out.
56:10So it's a combination of, you know, looking at historical context, like if it's a random year, six wide receiver, who's never
56:17done anything like that before in his life. And he goes off in week one, I'm not gonna really buy into that that much.
56:24But if it's a younger player who had really good peripherals as a rookie and was like a really interesting prospect, I'll
56:30probably lean into that a little bit more. I mean, like even Keon Coleman last year, I don't think it was bad process.
56:37If you ended up like leaning into it a little bit after that week one game, it's just that, you know, I
56:44don't think that he was like that amazing of a prospect or anything, but you know, that made some sense because he's younger.
56:50It was year two. It just didn't end up working out.
56:54And, you know, just be aware that this stuff doesn't always work out.
56:58It's not always going to work in your favor, but I do think that looking at the individual player and the context
57:04of that player and where he's at in his NFL career, that goes a long way in understanding if that breakout is legit or not.
57:11All right. We've already talked about Michael Mayer, so no need to really revisit there.
57:16As far as those that are streaming team defenses, you've got the Packers on here, the 49ers who looked really good.
57:22And then the Bucks. Yeah. So the 49ers are great.
57:25They obviously, you obviously can't pick them up now, so I could remove them, but they look good defensively and they get the Dolphins next week.
57:33I am very interested to see with all the travel hoopla that's going on about how the Rams got there like 24
57:39hours before the game started and the 49ers were there for like a week.
57:43Part of the reason why the Rams did that is because then they wouldn't be as jet lagged coming back, which is a bigger deal.
57:51So if the 49ers are feeling jet lagged after the fact, I do wonder how that might impact them overall.
57:57But I would say that the, you know, it's still the Dolphins and you can still probably play them next week.
58:03Uh, the Packers get the jets. That's, that's a good matchup on paper.
58:07And then the Buccaneers get the Browns, which is another good matchup on paper.
58:11So if you want to, you know, you could technically try to stream the Packers this week as like a defense to
58:17type, you know, like I don't know. I probably have them at like defense 15 or 16 or something like that this
58:24week with, with some of these teams having already played.
58:27You can take that risk because there's a lot of volatility there and then just say, Hey, I have them against the jets then next week.
58:34I think they have a good week three matchup too, if I recall correctly.
58:38Uh, and then the Buccaneers against the Browns for obvious reasons, uh, the Browns are probably going to be a disaster offensively.
58:45Let's just be real. Yeah. If they do come out just guns a blazing, it would be hilarious.
58:50Like I would just be here for all the absurdity of it.
58:54Uh, something absurd is going to happen week one.
58:56Oh yeah. That would be something that I would, I would just be in favor of all the chaos it would cause.
59:03All right, JJ, let's wrap this up with something you might've forgotten about.
59:07It's the quad box. We have to pick four games and I've got these games listed right here.
59:12Oh wow. I didn't even see that they were there.
59:15Yes. Uh, we've got these games listed. So you have to pick two games.
59:19I picked two games of games that we would put on our hypothetical quad box for this week.
59:24Do you want me to go first or you do on first pack?
59:28You, you can go first. I don't mind. All right.
59:31The first one that I'm going to pick because I think it's going to be very fun and fantasy relevant.
59:37Yeah. You're going to think I'm going to go.
59:40I think the Titans, I know you are. You think I'm going to go Tampa Bay, Cincinnati probably, but I am going to go New Orleans, Detroit.
59:48I think it's a fun game. Okay. All right.
59:50So New Orleans, Detroit, and I, I will go ahead and take the low hanging fruit with the books at banks.
59:57Okay. It's going to be interesting because Cincinnati has been so bad in week one and in recent years.
60:02Um, all right. Next. I, uh, I kind of want to go for just like general interest of the, how, how, like
60:09how, how impactful this game might be from a real NFL standpoint.
60:12There's a couple that you can go to here.
60:15I'm going to say Buffalo Houston. Okay. That's a good one.
60:18Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm actually not going to pick either of the primetime games.
60:22I'm going to go with the Packers versus the Vikings.
60:25Lots of unknowns here. We've got Kyler under center with the Vikings.
60:29Got, uh, you know, obviously the running back situation with the, the Packers, but also I love Jordan love this, this season.
60:35So I want to see, I want to see what this, uh, this offense is all about.
60:40So how they, how they deploy those wide receivers too.
60:43Yeah. That could be a really fun game. So that's, uh, that's the fourth game in the quad box.
60:49I kind of considered the, uh, the other two that I would consider is Washington Philly.
60:54I think it's kind of intriguing because it's a, you know, divisional game.
60:57Jane Daniels is healthy. I think Philly's defense is going to be really good.
61:02And we get to see what the Eagles offense looks like.
61:05So that would be one. And then part of me, part of me is excited about the Cardinals chargers game.
61:11I just, just because the, the, we get to see Mike McDaniel with Justin Herbert in this offense.
61:16And then obviously we've been talking about Arizona all summer where they have all these highly drafted players in fantasy, but they're
61:23not projected to score many points at all via sports books.
61:26So, uh, that's, that's another game from like a strictly a fantasy perspective that I am kind of intrigued by.
61:32Yeah. You can defeat the purpose of the quad box, but that's okay.
61:35I know, but, but I give a little bit more context.
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62:17JJ. Yeah. Uh, I just want to thank everybody for, you know, listening week one and being part of this is the
62:24start of the journey and it will be a journey.
62:27There's going to be a lot of stuff that I get right.
62:30There's going to be a lot of stuff that I get egregiously wrong, but hopefully you guys can understand that that's just
62:37the way this game is played and that you don't have to be perfect to win a fantasy football title.
62:43That's right. And this is like the next, the next chapter of you could have dominated your draft and got guys like,
62:49you know, AJ Brown late in the, you know, late hours in round three.
62:53Right. But now is where, now is where you, uh, you really make those moves.
62:58This is more important. This is more important than your draft.
63:01Yeah, for sure. But the draft is, is more fun than having to replace your highly touted, you know, tied in with, with his backup.
63:08But, um, all right, JJ week one, the show week one in the books, we'll look forward to the games on Sunday and Monday.
63:16And again, like you said, we just appreciate everyone for their support this whole off season.
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63:25We have so much that is, that's coming out so much stuff that we have for members and we appreciate y'all.
63:31We love y'all. Also, just before we exit, just want to say, you know, obviously 25 years ago was the anniversary.
63:37It's the anniversary of, of nine 11. And I put in the newsletter, but there's a Twitter accounts, X account called 25 years ago live.
63:44And man, it's just wild. If you go there and just see everything that happened, just kind of recount how chaotic that day was.
63:52So, um, don't want to, to leave without acknowledging that.
63:54So, uh, appreciate you all. Thank you all. We'll see you next time here on the late round fantasy football show.
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