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1:00This is the Late Round Podcast with your host, JJ Zacharyarysen.
1:04JJ Zacharyarysen. What's up everyone? It's JJ Zacharyson. In this episode 1128 of the Late Round Fantasy Football Podcast, thank you for tuning in.
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1:22It's a good time. To learn more, just head to LateRound.com.
1:26Now it's a mailbag episode. Let's get to these questions.
1:29The first one's from Twitter. It's from at a Lego.
1:32It says, Hi JJ, been a fan since 2021 and I love to see that you're always stepping it up.
1:38Thank you. I've always thought that week one is the perfect time to be aggressive and make trades since there's still tons
1:45of uncertainty and people tend to overreact. What are your thoughts on this?
1:49Yes, absolutely yes. Average draft position is still far, far more predictive of what's going to happen week two onward than week one production is.
1:57I talked about this on the 10 trends episode earlier this week.
2:00When we're looking at the correlation between week one performance and then week two to end of season performance, points per game
2:07is not that predictive at all, AKA points scored in week one.
2:11It's more predictive at running back and then it's least predictive at wide receiver.
2:15So maybe you'd want to lean into that week one production slightly more at running back, but you still want to be rational about things.
2:23Like I think David Montgomery is going to be good this season, but we also can't expect three touchdowns every single week.
2:30Realistically, his snap share was far more split than you'd probably expect given that result.
2:34So just be rational about things. But when it comes to wide receivers like Jalen Waddle types, I would see if you could buy ultra low.
2:42It can't hurt to send a trade offer to someone who's really upset after that week one performance.
2:48Maybe Waddle doesn't live up to his draft costs this year, but we know factually that week one performances at wide, wide
2:55receiver explained very little about their rest of season production.
2:58So my answer is yes. It's a good time to take advantage of the reactionary fantasy manager.
3:03This next question is from Jackson from the members hub.
3:06It says, I remember you weren't the biggest fan of Travis Achan.
3:10I'm curious if he might be a buy right now.
3:13Everyone seems to be low on him because he's part of a rotation.
3:17However, I see some things that I like. Number one, he's second in targets right now with nine.
3:22Only Bijan has more. Number two, I imagine that this Kellen Moore offense is the kind of offense that might continue this kind of passing volume.
3:30Number three, the vibes around him are bad. So it feels like people might let him go for very little.
3:37I do hear he struggles in pass protection. So maybe that's a concern.
3:41But do we really think that these other running backs are going to beat him out?
3:46This is after all an offensive coordinator who fed Saquon Barkley in 2024.
3:50Okay, let's start with that last point. This is straight from CoachSpeakIndex, who you guys should check out if you're into hearing
3:56what coaches are saying about their players. This is what Kellen Moore said on Wednesday.
4:01Quote, I think it's important to rotate these guys.
4:04We got to rotate all these running backs and there will be different packages or responsibilities from week to week that are different.
4:11I think it's important. My one year in Philly is probably the only year I've ever been where a running back just
4:18kind of takes everything until he can't. But everywhere else, you're usually rotating these guys.
4:22So I really don't think that 2024 Saquon Barkley should really matter that much here.
4:27I also don't think that we should be looking at raw totals with the Saints offense from week one.
4:33And you guys know that I brought up Kellen Moore's pace of play.
4:37The volume in his offense is like 30 times in the past.
4:41But they played extra time. The game script really favored a lot of plays.
4:45They're not going to run that many offensive plays each week.
4:48We should be focused on the rate stats though.
4:51And to be fair, A-Chan's snap share and his route share were not significantly far off from what we saw in Jacksonville last year.
4:58He had a 58% snap share versus a 60% one last season.
5:02His route share was 40% last year. In week one, it was 36%.
5:06And like you said, he did see a lot of targets.
5:10I'd be more concerned about target share than raw volume though, but he did see a 17% target share.
5:15If you look year over year though with Travis A-Chan, the biggest difference is that the Saints probably don't project to be as good as Jacksonville's offense.
5:24At least as a run game and then the offense as a whole during the second half of the year.
5:30And I want to see him get more of that green zone work.
5:34But as someone who was lower than the market with A-Chan this year, as you noted in the question, after digging into
5:41this more, I'm not like totally turned off now and think that you need a panic sell.
5:46Most backfields are split. I do think the idea of him being an RB1 this season, probably not totally reasonable based on
5:53what Kellen Moore is thinking and what we saw in week one.
5:56Especially when Alvin Kamara gets back. But I do definitely think that A-Chan can be an RB2.
6:02The next question is from at good underscore ecosystem on Twitter.
6:05It says, would you drop high end handcuffs and ambiguous backfields to take a shot at a rookie wide receiver if your team needs wide receivers more?
6:13For example, drop Rico Dowdle for Caleb Douglas or Antonio Williams.
6:17Or would you wait for those players to start breaking out and pay the fab premium the week they blow up?
6:23Now look, we want to be one week ahead, right?
6:26I think that Caleb Douglas, Antonio Williams, I talked about him on the 10 trends episode.
6:31They both can be rostered right now. Absolutely. But in this particular example, in a vacuum, I would be keeping Rico Dowdle.
6:38He led the Steelers backfield in snaps in week one.
6:41In most formats, even if that player is more of a flex play, you don't want to be dropping a running back who's leading his team in snaps.
6:50Like, is there an outcome where one of those rookie wide receivers ends up being better than Rico Dowdle?
6:56Of course. But I wouldn't be doing my job if I said to drop Rico Dowdle for someone like Antonio Williams, who's still relatively unknown.
7:03And that's coming from someone who ranked Williams pretty high as a rookie.
7:07I think he has a really fun profile. We just have to recognize that they still have Terry McLaurin and Stefan Diggs.
7:14It might be more of a slow burn until Antonio Williams gets legit playing time.
7:19And look, Caleb Douglas, very, very interesting. If you can get him off the waiver wire, you should.
7:24I talked about him in the 15 transactions episode.
7:27But again, I would rather be dropping some other piece of my team as opposed to dropping a guy like Rico Dowdle, who has legitimate standalone value.
7:36And remember, both Pittsburgh running backs and backs from ambiguous backfields in general, they have upside.
7:40They have contingent upside with the other running back getting hurt.
7:44Now, if you're talking like Emmitt Johnson, another player I like a lot versus a Caleb Douglas or Antonio Williams, that makes a little bit more sense.
7:52That's a little bit different. The standalone value piece with Johnson, probably going to be tough to predict.
7:58And he's most relevant with a Kenneth Walker injury.
8:01So he's more of that traditional high end handcuff.
8:03In that case, if you need the wide receiver production, that makes way more sense.
8:08But with Dowdle in particular, I can't get behind it.
8:11He was 19th in running back snap share in week one.
8:14I still think Jalen Warren has more upside. But in 99% of leagues, Rico Dowdle should be rostered.
8:20This next question is also from Twitter. It's from at know the good life.
8:24It says rest of season Ferguson or Sadiq and full PPR.
8:28So the funny part of this question is, I don't think it matters which Ferguson you're talking about.
8:33I do like Jake Ferguson this week against Washington, like I said on the sleeper show.
8:38But he's just not someone who has a super high fantasy ceiling week in and week out without an injury to either George Pickens or CeeDee Lamb.
8:47I think he has a decent enough median outcome.
8:49But the ceiling outcome week in and week out just is not that appealing.
8:54And then we've got to wait and see what happens with Terrance Ferguson.
8:58After one week, I'm not amazingly optimistic. So I'm back to what I've been saying this summer about Kenyon Sadiq.
9:04I find it so strange that trends in fantasy football have leaned more and more towards the more unknown younger players.
9:10Right? And yet no one in fantasy football during draft season and even right now after he had a decent week one, no one wants Kenyon Sadiq.
9:19He was a player I had as a late round dart throw and anyone who listened to becoming a best ball bro,
9:25you know that I have a lot of Sadiq in best ball.
9:29So yeah, maybe there is some bias here. And this certainly isn't a week one victory lap.
9:34I mean, he had a sub 50% route share.
9:37With players like Sadiq, we're going to be wrong far more often than we're going to be right for sure.
9:43But I don't really care about being wrong here because his cost is so low.
9:48The very simple take with Sadiq is that he's one of the most athletic tight ends that we've ever seen.
9:54He's still only 21 years old and he was a middle of the first round pick.
9:59And he's playing in an offense that likes to utilize tight ends.
10:03There's been this narrative all summer long that Sadiq had a bad collegiate production profile.
10:07I see it everywhere. I just personally don't see that to be true.
10:11Not only did he have tough competition in college, but we use breakout score as a metric in our tight end model.
10:18Breakout score looks at receiving yards per team pass attempt and it adjusts it for age.
10:23Sadiq's breakout score is well past the 80th percentile.
10:26I think the reason people are down on Sadiq is because we've been spoiled with prospects like Colston Loveland and Brock Bowers.
10:33Which yes, I agree. He's not Colston Loveland or Brock Bowers.
10:36But I don't want to place these guys into two boxes.
10:39That they're either Brock Bowers, where they're breaking reception records, or they're just not important.
10:44There's certainly a gray area here. So to me, Sadiq is one of those players that I'm going to take a chance on strictly for upside purposes.
10:52Maybe it doesn't work out. But I do think it makes plenty of sense from a process standpoint.
10:58We already saw him get manufactured touches in week one.
11:01And I'd assume that route share, it only gets better as the season moves forward.
11:06This next question is from Eric. It says, Hi JJ, in the data dump that you sent out, there's a lot of route share and target share discrepancies.
11:14For example, player A ran the most routes on his team by a long shot, but player B on the same team received many more targets.
11:22Which metrics should we lean into more when determining who to add or buy?
11:27Route share shows how the team wants to utilize the player, but target share could be an indicator of talent.
11:33Curious for your thoughts on this. So I ran some analysis on this because I want to be precise with this question.
11:40I don't want to just sit here and say, both of them matter.
11:44Both of them do matter, but there is some more detail that I want to talk through.
11:49I think we need to first recognize that route share is going to correlate to target share.
11:54A player who has a high route share, he's going to have more opportunity to see a lot of targets.
12:00This question is probably referring to someone like Antonio Williams this past week, where Williams had a 14% target share, despite only having a 26% route share.
12:09Just to be clear, those types of numbers don't happen super frequently across a larger sample.
12:14And actually from my count, that's only happened 26 times since 2020.
12:17Out of thousands of games, where a wide receiver had a sub 30% route share, but a target share of 14%.
12:24Antonio Williams was technically at 13.8%. And we've seen 34 instances where a wide out had a 13.5% target share and a route share below that 30% mark.
12:32So it doesn't happen that much at all. But route share and target share, they matter at different levels depending on the position that you're analyzing.
12:40And depending on the part of the season that you're actually in.
12:44Since we're in the early parts of the season, let's just focus on that.
12:48At wide receiver, generally speaking, early on, there's a pretty similar predictive nature between route share and target share.
12:54And actually, they're both more predictive than actual points scored after week one.
12:58Which is why I always tell people to not get so focused on actual production early on.
13:04Look at peripherals. But almost immediately as we get into week two, target share becomes the more predictive factor.
13:09So I would say at wide receiver, if a player after a couple of weeks isn't seeing a high route share, but
13:16is seeing a high target share, maybe there's some concern, but the target share piece is going to be a little bit more important.
13:24Right now it's about even. What's interesting is what happens at the other positions.
13:28After the first couple of weeks of the season, route share is still more important at tight end than target share is.
13:35Once we get past the first few weeks, target share starts to become a little bit more stable and we'll see it become a more predictive piece.
13:43But we're feeling things out at tight end right now.
13:46We're seeing usage and there's going to be some volatility with how these guys are targeted.
13:51It's why when I sent that tweet out last week about Terrence Ferguson, it actually did matter.
13:56Week one route share at tight end is more predictive than both week one points scored and week one target share.
14:03Unfortunately for Ferguson, that route share dropped in the second half.
14:06This is very good news for Colson Loveland given that he didn't score a point last week, but he had an elite route share.
14:14And by the way, route share is a much better predictor for future tight end success than simple snap share.
14:20I see that all the time. People are referencing snaps at tight end.
14:24It doesn't matter. I care far, far more about routes run at tight end.
14:28Because obviously with snaps, you're seeing when they're out there blocking, not just running routes.
14:33Running back is actually even more extreme than tight end.
14:36Route share is very consistently more important than target share at running back.
14:40Like when a running back is a random one game dip in target share, it's really not that massive of a deal
14:47when it comes to rest of season fantasy production.
14:49When he dips in route share, it's actually a bigger deal.
14:53That's actually not the case at wide receiver. If a wide receiver keeps his route share, but sees a dip in target
15:00share, they tend to then start to perform worse moving forward.
15:03Now I'm not saying it's the end of the world.
15:06I'm just saying that target share is going to have a more profound impact at wide receiver than it is going to
15:13be at running back when it comes to predictiveness.
15:16So the TLDR here early on in the season, we probably should care more about target share for wide receivers than for running backs and tight ends.
15:24But then for those two positions, we should care a little bit more about route share.
15:29And it kind of makes sense, doesn't it? The primary function for a wide receiver is to catch the freaking football.
15:35With tight ends and running backs, they have different jobs.
15:39So there's going to be more volatility to their actual receiving work week to week.
15:43But if they're out there, if they're running routes, and they're being deployed in that way, you can expect things to eventually normalize.
15:50So with this last one, we can kind of use what I was just talking about and apply it to a real life example.
15:58This one's from Brandon. It says, Hey JJ, I've been listening to two years and you helped me win my first championship last year.
16:05So thanks for the great advice. So is Cam Scadaboo coming back and getting zero targets while Singletary got four?
16:11Are you at all concerned about Scadaboo's receiving work this season?
16:15So naturally, as we just talked about, target share is not going to be quite as important in week one as route share for running backs.
16:23But in this case, you're comparing a running back target total to another running back target total on the exact same team.
16:29Which should definitely make you curious about route share.
16:32If Singletary was getting more looks through the air than Scadaboo, there's probably a chance that he had a better route share.
16:39And we know that route share, it's important for running back production.
16:43And that was the case in week one. Singletary had a 53% route share, Scadaboo 27%.
16:48If we assume that that continues, yes, that's a very, very big problem.
16:52But like anything that I do on this show or that we all do collectively with data, context is necessary.
16:58We should never pretend that one data point after one week predicts everything for everyone.
17:02And we also just need to understand ball. Cam Scadaboo is coming off a serious injury.
17:07There is a chance that the Giants just didn't want to give him a full blown bell cow workload right away.
17:14We've got to be very open to that possibility.
17:17But at face value, I don't think that we should walk away from that game and say, Man, Cam Scadaboo is a league winner.
17:24He's going to see the same workload that he did last year.
17:28Because that's just objectively not true. His receiving usage was a lot worse.
17:32And that's something that we need to be aware of.
17:35Especially because we know route share does matter at running back early on.
17:39That's it for today's show though. Thanks to all of you for listening.
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