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Late-Round Perspectives: Drew Davenport

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1 hr 11 min
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Jul 3, 2026
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Fri, July 3, 2026
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A.J. BrownBlake CorumBo NixDrake MayeGreg DulcichJa'Marr ChaseJalen HurtsJaylen WaddleJordan LoveJustin HerbertKyren WilliamsRashee RiceSam LaPortaTravis Kelce
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A.J. Brown

PositiveBreakout65:52

JJ Zachariason's bold take: AJ Brown has overall WR 1 upside in 2026. Zachariason was prepared to hate Brown after last year's decline, viewing him as a big-bodied receiver breaking down with age; however, he believes motivation was a huge problem last year—the relationship between Brown and Hurts deteriorated, and Brown was upset with play-calling and the Philadelphia situation. Zachariason views the decline as effort-based rather than talent-based. The Patriots trade provides a fresh start with new motivation and a new lease on life. The Patriots offense is strong: +3.2% pass rate over expected over the full year, 12th in neutral pass rate, and +12.9% pass rate over expected on second-and-8 or greater (a monster number showing smart play-calling). Zachariason draws a parallel to Saquon Barkley's resurgence with Philadelphia and notes Brown loves his new coach.

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Blake Corum

NegativeUsage61:05

Increased involvement in Rams offense last year; when Corum was introduced to the rotation, Kyron Williams' fantasy production remained stable (15.8 PPG vs. 15.7 PPG prior), indicating a series-based rotation rather than a true workload split; Corum's involvement did not significantly diminish Williams' scoring.

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Bo Nix

PositiveValue38:00

Zachariason drafted Bo Nix in the ninth round of a best ball draft approximately 15 picks above ADP because he anticipated Nix would not return to him; he uses this as an example of how individual team construction sometimes requires reaching above ADP value to secure a needed player, rather than strictly adhering to linear value extraction.

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Drake Maye

PositiveValue39:08

Zachariason drafted Drake Maye at $3–$4 in the Kings Classic auction and emphasizes him as a personal favorite; he illustrates how spending just $1 extra to outbid competitors on a late-round quarterback is justified and never regretted, contrasting Maye's value with the regret of ending up with Jordan Love instead.

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Greg Dulcich

NegativeValue37:15

Zachariason uses Greg Dulcich as a dart-throw tight end comparison; he contrasts Dulcich with Tucker Kraft to illustrate the opportunity cost principle—that spending $4–$5 more on a proven tight end like Kraft is justified and should not be avoided due to penny-pinching.

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Ja'Marr Chase

PositiveValue24:15

JJ Zachariason illustrates the closed-system principle of auction drafting using Jamar Chase as an example: if Chase goes for $48 when he should be $60, you must bid him up at $49 because prices in a finite pool will rise and you'll be squeezed later. This exemplifies how underpriced elite players create bidding obligations and why passing on deals leads to overspending elsewhere.

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Jalen Hurts

NegativeValue35:13

JJ Zachariason names Jalen Hurts as an example of a mid-tier quarterback in auction pricing. He uses Hurts to illustrate the opportunity cost principle—that spending $4–$6 on a mid-tier QB like Hurts versus a late-round option like Tyler Shuck ($1) is a reasonable trade-off and should not be avoided due to penny-pinching mentality. The delta in quarterback value is significant enough to justify the extra spend.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveValue30:09

Jalen Waddle is WR 24 at ADP with two seasons of 104+ targets that finished as WR 12 and WR 14 in PPR (2022: 117 targets, 1,300 yards; rookie: 142 targets, 104 receptions). In Miami, the offense was designed around Tyreek Hill and saw Tua Tagovailoa's decline, creating a stale offense that hurt Waddle. Moving to Jacksonville with Sean Payton's strong system, a strong-armed quarterback, and an excellent receiver opposite him (Calvin Ridley) positions Waddle as the focus. JJ Zachariason views WR 24 as value and drafted Waddle in best ball at pick 102–103 as a strategic anchor.

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Jordan Love

NegativeValue40:00

Zachariason uses Jordan Love as a regret example; he notes that by mid-season, having Jordan Love as your quarterback when you could have had Drake Maye (for just $1 more) becomes a painful reminder of penny-pinching at the quarterback position in auction drafts.

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Justin Herbert

PositiveValue35:13

Zachariason uses Justin Herbert as a mid-tier quarterback value in auction; he argues that spending $4–$6 on Herbert versus a late-round option like Tyler Shuck ($1) is a sound opportunity cost trade-off and should not be avoided due to penny-pinching mentality.

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Kyren Williams

PositiveValue60:47

JJ Zachariason identifies Kyron Williams as his running back target for 2025 drafts. Williams is RB 15 at ADP but has never finished that low in his fantasy career since his breakout. When Blake Corum was introduced to the rotation, Williams maintained 15.8 PPG (vs. 15.7 PPG before), showing minimal production hit despite increased committee usage. Williams played 95% of two-minute snaps, 72% of long down-and-distance snaps, 73% of short down-and-distance snaps, and 59% of carries inside the five-yard line, demonstrating Sean McVay's trust. Zachariason values him at RB 50 even with Corum involved.

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Rashee Rice

PositiveProjection40:26

JJ Zachariason breaks down Rice's legal situation: he served 30 days in jail as part of his original deferred adjudication plea (not a new probation violation), triggered by a failed drug test for marijuana. Since this punishment was already part of the original NFL penalty, Zachariason believes the NFL is unlikely to issue additional suspension. He recommends a 120-day bet on Rice starting mid-to-late August in redraft formats, betting that Rice stays out of trouble during the season when he's busy with football; however, he remains nervous about Rice in dynasty due to repeated decision-making issues.

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Sam LaPorta

NegativeValue64:00

JJ Zachariason targets Sam Laporta at TE 8 ADP, preferring him over Travis Kelce. Laporta finished TE 1 as a rookie, TE 9 in PPR PPG the following year, and TE 8 in PPR PPG last year before injury. He is a young player with significant upside. While Zachariason notes a back injury concern, he views Laporta as better value than Kelce at TE 8 because Kelce's ceiling is known and limited. Laporta is particularly attractive in auction formats where he can be acquired cheaper than his ADP, and useful in best ball for Week 17 stacks against Chicago.

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Travis Kelce

NegativeValue64:21

JJ Zachariason does not love Kelce's upside anymore at TE 10 ADP because that part of his game is capped. Kelce finished 8th in PPR PPG last year but 3rd overall (discrepancy due to games played). He was 2nd in routes run, 4th in targets, 6th in receptions, and 4th in receiving yards. Zachariason prefers Sam Laporta as a more interesting value at TE 8 because Kelce's ceiling is known and limited.

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Trevor Lawrence

PositiveProjection35:13

Zachariason targets Trevor Lawrence at QB 11, highlighting his post-bye dominance in 2024: he was QB2 in many formats (top three overall), fourth in EPA, fifth in completion percentage over expectation, and the Jags offense was sixth in dropback EPA despite a mediocre running game. Lawrence's rushing production improved significantly post-bye (averaged 16+ rushing yards per game after bye, only once below 16 yards in second half), which Zachariason attributes to better system mastery and possibly Liam Cohen's influence (Baker Mayfield had his best rushing season under Cohen). With a full offseason together, Jakobi Meyers learning the system, and Cohen's scheme, Zachariason sees Lawrence as undervalued at QB 11. Additionally, Zachariason argues that spending $4–$6 on Lawrence in auction versus a late-round option like Tyler Shuck ($1) is justified by opportunity cost and should not be avoided; he emphasizes never regretting spending an extra $4–$5 on Lawrence.

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Tucker Kraft

PositiveValue37:15

Zachariason uses Tucker Kraft as the proven tight end option in an opportunity cost comparison; he argues that spending $4–$5 more on Kraft versus throwing a dart at Greg Dulcich is justified and should not be avoided, illustrating how mid-tier tight ends offer better value in auction than in snake drafts.

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Tyreek Hill

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Tyreek Hill's 2019 off-field legal matter—specifically a recorded conversation involving his child's mother and a broken arm allegation—was the catalyst that drew Drew Davenport, a practicing defense attorney, into fantasy football analysis. Davenport began analyzing the legal narratives around Hill's situation on Twitter with 90 followers, which led to his discovery by industry figures and eventual role at Football Guys. Additionally, the Miami offense was designed around getting the ball to Hill, which limited target allocation to other receivers like Jalen Waddle and contributed to Waddle's decline in Miami.

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Episode Transcript

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1:15The crown is yours. I feel like there can't be that many lawyers that sit on a fantasy football podcast with three
1:22championship belts sitting behind them, dressed in shirt and tie.
1:25I mean, this is a dynamic that you don't find very often on fantasy football shows.
1:30Hey, I'll take it. I'll take it. I think that's probably a good thing, right?
1:34I mean, yeah, of course. Of course. Are you going to be at the Expo again this year?
1:40Absolutely. Yeah. I mark my calendar by the Expo every year.
1:43I love that weekend. I just love seeing the people.
1:46And yeah, the Expo is one of the highlights of my year, to be honest.
1:50What would be your... If you were to sell it to somebody who's listening right now, because how many years have you gone now?
1:57Well, I started by going to the King's Classic in 2019.
2:01The Expo was just sort of a fledgling event at that point.
2:04It wasn't actually a big deal. Yeah. And then after COVID, it kind of exploded.
2:09So I think the thing for me is it's a community thing.
2:12Honestly, if there were no activities and there were just the Expo on Sunday, I'd still go all weekend because I want
2:19to see the people that I get to see once a year.
2:22There's a lot of people that I only see one time a year.
2:26Yeah, that's the thing, man. I mean, I've said it before on shows.
2:30I was on the Podathon for SFB this past weekend.
2:33And I was saying how you go to George's, the bar that's there for folks who haven't been to Canton slash the Expo.
2:40But it's where everyone kind of flocks to, especially after that Friday event, but also the Saturday one too.
2:45Everyone kind of just goes there and hangs out, has a couple drinks.
2:49And it's hilarious. If you're into the fantasy football space and if you listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff, it's
2:56so funny because you go there and you just hear the voices that you've been listening to on shows as you're walking around that.
3:03I mean, it's a small dive bar. It's just a fun little spot to be.
3:07But it's just hilarious. As you walk around, you can just hear all the voices of fantasy football that you've probably been listening to for years.
3:15It is. It is. And I got a buddy coming who is a big fan of podcasts.
3:20He's not in the business. He's in one of my home leagues.
3:24He's coming this summer and I know that he's going to be blown away when he walks into George's and it's like,
3:30oh, there's, oh, and there's, oh, and there's, uh, so yeah, he's excited.
3:34I'm excited, man. Me too. Me too. It's always good to catch up with people.
3:39Um, speaking of catching up, you and I haven't done a show in a minute since last summer, probably.
3:44Um, and so, you know, this is your first time on perspectives.
3:48I like to get a little bit of a background for folks to kind of understand your perspective on, on, and your
3:54outlook on fantasy football, but also just kind of how you got started in this and, and, and why you got started in this.
4:02So, so have at it. Well, I got started in this.
4:05It was a little bit of luck, a little bit of hard work, but I got a Twitter account, uh, back in
4:112019 for the purpose of just following people on Twitter and staying up with fantasy football.
4:16It was an information gathering thing. And then I, I was seeing like the, uh, the narratives around the Tyreek Hill thing happening.
4:23And back at the, that time it was, I don't know if you remember the recorded conversation that his, um, uh, child's
4:29mother had that had him like, you should be scared of me too.
4:33And, and like talking about how the child scared of them and like the child had a broken arm.
4:39Anyway, the point is I was, I was thinking there was some takes on this that were a bit odd.
4:45And with my criminal defense experience, I said, all right, I'm just going to shout into the void.
4:50I had like 90 followers. I'm like, I'm going to shout into the void, you know, to my 88 bots and my mother and my, my best friend.
4:59And so, uh, I say it and then match off, um, from draft sharks, picks it up.
5:04And then it went from there. Ryan McDowell picked it up.
5:07And all of a sudden I'm getting a DM from Joe Bryant and he says, Hey, look, we need a legal guy.
5:13And it just looks like you're into auctions too.
5:16We need both of those things. What do you say?
5:19So, like I said, it's pretty lucky. Uh, but you know, Hey, if I hadn't put myself out there, it wouldn't have happened either.
5:26So that that's where I got my start. And that was back in 2019.
5:30How did the auction love come to be? Because, you know, to be honest, auction is still a very underserved area of the fantasy football space.
5:38And we're definitely going to be digging into that on today's show.
5:42But how did you get so interested in that as sort of like your niche?
5:46Yeah, that came honestly, because I didn't even really know any better.
5:50So back in the late nineties, early two thousands, I'm in law school.
5:54I got a buddy who plays fantasy football. He gets me into it.
5:57And I wasn't into it from the standpoint, like I was going to drafts and hanging out with people and doing home league.
6:04I was doing like these online salary cap things where like when you get a team and they perform well that week,
6:11their price goes up and then you can like get rid of that player and get like another really good player.
6:17And so that's what I was doing. And then I get a call from a buddy like, Hey, we got a spot in the home league.
6:25It's an auction. Here's how it works. And I'm like, okay.
6:28Like I didn't know any better. I didn't know there was picking.
6:32I had no idea. So I go to my first ever fantasy football draft and it was an auction and I fell in love with it.
6:39I tell the story all the time because I ended up getting David Boston for a couple bucks at the end of the draft.
6:46And it was the year that he had the 1500 yards and eight touchdowns.
6:51And I was, I was hooked because I said, Oh my gosh, I got this guy for like three bucks.
6:57And then he ends up being one of the best receivers in the league.
7:01And I was hooked from that point. The auctions just always have seemed natural as it's always seemed like the way to play for me.
7:08Was that the year that he started taking steroids?
7:11Was that, uh, I'm sure that he has been on them since he was 11.
7:15So, uh, yeah, he, he, he was awesome one year.
7:18Then we never got that again. That dude, I remember back then that dude, like we, like he was just jacked out.
7:25I mean, I've never seen a wider. My head.
7:27Yes. Yes. It was absurd. So how do you think your law background?
7:31Cause obviously you're practicing lawyer. How do you think that has impacted the way that you view fantasy football as an analyst?
7:38Now, obviously you're doing quite literally legal breakdowns of a lot of this stuff, but even just at like an individual player
7:44analysis level or the way that you look at auction drafts, like how, how do you think being, you know, an attorney
7:51has, has impacted the way and you're sort of like specific angle that you look at fantasy football.
7:56Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is a, this could be a super complicated question.
8:00It could be a super easy one too. I mean, uh, I'm a lawyer after all.
8:05I can, I can talk for 20 minutes about anything.
8:08So yeah, I think honestly the, uh, let me just say that when I got my start and the buddy who was
8:15into it in law school, let me give a shout out to my buddy, Greg Shope here.
8:20He was, um, a lawyer up in Toledo and he was the guy who really taught me what it meant to think about sports.
8:27And that was happening like right when I was getting my fantasy football, you know, my introduction into it.
8:32And, you know, before then I was, I was one of those people who was just like, Hey, I'm going to watch
8:39sports center and, uh, whatever they say on sports center, I'm going to repeat that to my friends.
8:44And that's what I think knowing stuff about sports is all about.
8:48And he was really like, uh, no, this is how you think about it.
8:52This is how you analyze it. And so I really got into it at that point.
8:57And then the law thing comes in because being a lawyer is not really about learning the law.
9:02I know that sounds funny. They teach you how to think like a lawyer, how to analyze things like a lawyer.
9:08And one of the things that I have to do for my job every day is I read police reports just nonstop over and over and over.
9:16I just have to read police reports because I've such a high case volume.
9:21I get a, you get a, um, inundation of the, just the total, the sheer volume as a public defender that you don't get as a private lawyer.
9:29And what that teaches me is like, you really have to be good at parsing through all the nonsense and getting right
9:35to the core of what are the details here that actually matter.
9:39So issue spotting is a big thing. I also think, you know, setting up arguments, poking holes in arguments, all that stuff
9:46is, that's what I do every single day. Even if I don't like my position, I got to do it because that's my job.
9:53Um, it doesn't help me. It doesn't hurt either that, uh, the extemporaneous speaking is a large part of what I do too.
10:00So. Yeah. I've always had the stance that, um, cause, cause obviously, especially in like today's world where folks are approaching fantasy
10:06analysis more through, you know, mediums of, you know, TikTok, social podcast video.
10:10I've actually taken the stance more so that I think that it's really impactful and helpful to have a way of writing
10:16what you're thinking and saying, because it allows you to really break down an argument more coherently.
10:22And I'm sure obviously like you're doing that constantly, I would imagine.
10:25And like, I would imagine that that also is, is, is just helping your brain think in that way.
10:31Right. And that, that argumentative way, like whenever I always use this example and you're, I mean, you being a football guys
10:37guy, uh, you know, you'll appreciate it. But back in the day when I started, which was back in like 2012 or
10:44so, the one person that I always wanted to make sure I was kind of crossing my T's and dotting my eyes
10:50for, because I knew that he would try to poke holes in my argument was Sigmund Blum.
10:55Now this is when back then, uh, Blum was a little bit more like combative on social, not in a bad way.
11:02Just like he was more confrontational, I guess you would say than he is today.
11:06It wasn't like he was being mean or anything.
11:09He was just wanting to learn, wanting to poke holes in arguments, et cetera, et cetera.
11:14And I still, to this day, and I've told him this, I still, to this day, while I'm approaching an argument, I'm
11:20thinking how would Blum poke a hole in this, right?
11:23As I'm approaching a writing or analysis and I'm doing, and I'm, I would imagine for you having to do that and
11:30breaking things down that way, as opposed to just hitting record on a podcast has been kind of helpful.
11:36It's massively helpful. And one of the things that I reference on my show all the time is a quote that I
11:42love that I'm sure I'm going to screw up the quote badly, but you don't wear a path way in, in the grass by walking back and forth.
11:50Once you have to do it over and over and over until the pathway is there.
11:55And that's the same thing with your brain. Your brain doesn't, you don't figure it out by hitting record and start talking.
12:02You have to do these things over and over and over.
12:05And then your brain actually has that pathway where you can walk down it.
12:09And it's a lot easier to walk that path after you've done it a lot.
12:14Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, for sure that that's anything with its fantasy, really, you know, I'm sure you've talked to folks
12:20that are just starting in the space and they, you know, talk about what they can do and how, how you get things done so quick.
12:28It's, it's just reps. It's just reps. It's just doing things over and over again and allowing your brain to know what
12:34to look for and finding those patterns, even if it's subconscious in a way, right?
12:39Like some of the things that you're finding, I'm sure while you're looking at those case reports and stuff is just something that you just know.
12:47Cause you've looked at thousands of them, you know, it's just the way that, that, that things kind of go down as
12:53you, as you get more and more practice. Yeah.
12:56And, and again, something else that I say all the time is people mistake gut instinct for like wild ass guessing there,
13:02there is a, a lot of people think that gut comes from, Hey, I'm just going to like, uh, look at something and give you my wild opinion.
13:11No, gut comes from honing that instinct. And that's from the hard work.
13:14The gut springs from the hard work. And I, I see this a lot of the poker table where people think, Oh, he didn't have it.
13:22I'm like, well, why did you think he didn't have it?
13:25Why just knew he didn't happen? I'm like, that's not a, that's not a reason.
13:30Gut comes from the hours and hours and hours of study thinking about it.
13:34And that's the other part that bothers me sometimes about, especially with auction drafting.
13:38I tell my, my folks all the time, like, look, you can't just go do the auction draft, be done.
13:44And then, and then it's over. It's not over.
13:47It's not a snake where you can just go, okay, maybe I could have made this pick here or there.
13:53You can take you a few minutes to look at, maybe I should have made this or that play an auction.
13:59You have to go back and say, where did I make my mistakes?
14:03Where did I do things wrong? What did I do?
14:06Right. When could I have nominated this guy at a different time?
14:09All of that stuff, it just all matters. And it all rolls into one thing.
14:14That's, that's extremely important in a totality, I guess.
14:17Well, let's talk about auctions a little bit. Give your pitch as to why it should be more mainstream.
14:22Cause it's not, it's not more mainstream. Like it's, it's, it's, you know, slowly grown as the game has grown, right?
14:28Fantasy football in general has gotten bigger and bigger, but I would argue that, that it's not even necessarily proportionally growing the
14:35same way that, that the rest of the space is.
14:38So what would your pitch be for more people to try out and play in auction leagues?
14:43Well, I can get, I'll give you the, the, uh, you know, the stump speech here.
14:48It, I don't know why it's not growing a little bit better.
14:51I'm trying so hard to make inroads, but it's difficult.
14:54I mean, I pitched a site recently, um, as recently as last summer about how we need to approach auction drafting differently.
15:01And they were pretty resistant to it. And I don't blame them because when you run a website, you're worried about the
15:07bottom line and the auctions are not pulling in the bottom line.
15:11I get that. It's not helping your bottom line.
15:14So people don't really care about innovating. And so I'm trying to innovate on my own and I'm, uh, well, I'm working
15:20on it, but anyway, the pitch would be this, and it's real simple.
15:24I believe that if you are a strong fantasy football player, that auctions magnify your advantage.
15:29I believe that your knowledge and your experience in the game is magnified over somebody who's, um, preparing a week before or
15:35buying a magazine on the way to the draft or printing out rankings.
15:39A lot of people come to auction drafts and they just print out values and they say, okay, well, this guy is
15:46going for 37 and it says right here that he's valued at 42.
15:50So I'm going to bid 38. And that is not how auctions are done.
15:54So what I would tell you is if you think you're good at fantasy football, auctions will make you better than the
16:00rest of the people in the room. So that's my big pitch.
16:04And let me say this. A lot of times when I talk about auctions, it sounds like I'm saying like snakes are,
16:10you know, have no skill and they're this and that.
16:13I think generally they're boring. Let me just say that.
16:16But I will say there is a skill to snake drafting, a serpentine drafting.
16:20There are a hundred percent is, you know how I know that?
16:24Cause I'm not very good at it. I'm just not like, I don't do enough of them and I don't care.
16:30Like I, I, I pay attention to it and look, I talk about ADP a lot and I talk about where guys
16:37should be valued because that's the general need in the community.
16:40But my pitch is, look, if you think you're good, start getting into auctions and your base will make you better than other people.
16:47So let's dig into this a little bit more.
16:50When you look at what people on other sites or on social media or what have you are doing or your own experience, right?
16:57Cause obviously, you know, you've, you've done really well, let's just say in the King's classic auction drafts, right?
17:03Or, or other industry drafts. What do you think fantasy managers get wrong most when they go into one of those auctions?
17:09So I think it's a JJ, it's a super basic level that bothers me about auction drafting.
17:14Okay. And then I think the basic level is this.
17:17Everyone, what we see on sites a lot is when people write articles about this stuff, everyone likes to say, Hey, flexibility is key.
17:24Go into the draft and don't be rigid. Yes.
17:27Yes. That's true. But that doesn't capture the whole point here because I don't believe that flexibility should be the first thing that people are learning.
17:35In fact, I believe that what most people get wrong here is that rigidity actually breeds flexibility in the draft.
17:41And let me explain what I mean there. There, there's a couple of things that I think people do wrong.
17:47Number one, I don't think people walk into an auction draft with a, with a smart enough plan most of the time.
17:53And I think a lot of times what that boils down to is people are reading articles that are telling them that
18:00say, Hey, um, if you want to spend X amount of dollars on wide receiver, okay, so put 55% of your budget towards wide receiver.
18:07That helps nobody in the middle of an auction.
18:10Yeah. You're not sitting in there going, I have 55%.
18:13Okay. So $200 cap, that's $110. And then they say sold.
18:16And you're like, wait a minute. I was still doing math.
18:19Like that doesn't help anybody. So I think the first thing is formulating a plan that you can execute.
18:25And I think that plan needs to be super specific.
18:28And that's where I think people get lost. I think people are like, well, I don't really like, uh, you know, this
18:34and that, and I'm going to try to go for a top wide receiver.
18:39I'm like, that's not a plan. The plan should be, who am I going to nominate the first round?
18:44Who am I trying to lock up early? Who are my targets that I need to figure out if I'm going to get these guys early?
18:52Like there is a specific way that you got to build a plan.
18:56And what flows from that is something that I have coined the phrase that I've coined that has become a extremely important,
19:02uh, crutch, if you will, or tool maybe is a better way to say it.
19:07And that is the par sheet. And the par sheet, I know that there are a lot of people out there that
19:13just kind of shrug that off and think that it's nonsense.
19:17But as soon as you use it, you will realize how great it is.
19:21And by the way, I realize I'm drafting against you in a few weeks.
19:25Um, so just delete all this from your memory, uh, before we walk in there.
19:29But the par sheet, the par sheet's the single biggest innovation that I have in this space that I believe is important for, um, especially new folks.
19:37But I think anybody, and I use it still to this day.
19:41And really what it is, is if you have a $200 cap and a 16 man roster, you're going to write a
19:47specific dollar amount for every single player on your roster.
19:50Okay. Okay. I need a kicker $1. I need a defense $1, a backup tight end $1.
19:56You're going to go and put these numbers down.
19:58My wide receiver one, I don't want to spend more than 52.
20:02Okay. You write that there. And then you get a specific dollar amount for everyone.
20:06And then the pushback I always hear is that's way too rigid.
20:10It's going to make you go in there. And I said, no, it's the exact opposite.
20:15What it does is it gives you a guideline because in the end, what auctions are is a balancing act.
20:20It's a tight rope act because you have to spend money.
20:24And if you don't, you won't have a good enough good impact players.
20:28But if you spend it too quick, you won't be available in the middle of the draft to take up some of
20:34the deals that you need to grab. So it's a balancing act.
20:38And the par sheet keeps you on that, that tight, tight rope.
20:41And it keeps you walking down that path because if you stray too far, you go, okay, I spent 58 when I
20:48said I was going to spend 52. Now I got to pull $6 from somewhere else, but that's instant.
20:53You know that stuff right away. It's no like, Hey, I was, I've spent 38% of my budget now and now I
21:00need, I have 7% left to spend. So I believe that rigidity leads to flexibility.
21:04And I think that's something that everyone misses when they start out.
21:08It's almost like being hypothetically rigid, right? Where it's, it's, it's the rigidity is not necessarily, I have to get Chase Brown
21:15no matter what, you know, which is definitely something that can get you into trouble in an auction because then you're so fixated on that one player.
21:23And then all of a sudden people might be underspending, you know, you might've gotten values and other guys, but you're like, Nope, I'm waiting for Chase Brown.
21:31And then all of a sudden you spend 10 extra dollars on Chase Brown because you have that idea.
21:37But this like this, this being like hypothetically rigid makes a lot of sense because you can then adjust as your draft is actually going down.
21:44Yes. Yes. That's exactly right. And you just mentioned something that's a pet peeve of mine is that if you believe that
21:51you really want Chase Brown and it's like, Hey, it's Chase Brown or bust for me.
21:56That's okay. That's okay to think that before the draft starts, but what you need to do is not wait to find
22:02out if you're going to get them. Right. Cause there's going to be deals along the way that you have to decide whether or not you want them.
22:10And if you're waiting on Brown, you miss the deals.
22:13So you need to nominate him right away. And a lot of things, a lot of times what people do is they
22:20miss that, um, that they think that waiting is going to equal a deal.
22:24That's not really the case with the top players.
22:27You're not getting great deals on the top players.
22:29You need to nominate your targets early, find out if you're going to get them.
22:34Right. If you don't, you can pivot. So, I mean, this might be one of those things, but what are, what are
22:40a few things, you know, if, if someone's walking into an auction draft that you think they should be aware of that
22:47they might not be prepared for, you know, just given, given your experience.
22:51Yeah. So your, your show sheet had asked me for three things.
22:54I did list three here that are fairly specific, but I, I think they're somewhat universal too.
22:59So, and that's what I was trying to do.
23:02Um, the first one is I don't think anybody's prepared for the speed of the draft.
23:07I don't think anybody's prepared for how quickly things are happening.
23:10And certainly with an online draft, um, I know that most people are doing their drafting online these days, but if you're
23:17in a live auction, it's a little bit easier to say, Hey, hold up a sec.
23:21I got to write that down or I got to do this.
23:25Um, but an online draft is a really fast process that you're not ready to handle.
23:30And when that clock is beeping at you, like five, four in snake drafts, you're really comfortable with the fact that I've
23:36got time to check my roster, to check injuries, to look something up.
23:40You do not have that time in an auction draft.
23:43So it's just, it, the speed is different. Um, so preparation is really important there.
23:48The second thing is, is, is an immutable law of auction drafting.
23:51If the prices are too high, they're going to come down.
23:54And if the prices are too low, they're going to go up.
23:58They're just, it is a closed system. It is a finite closed system.
24:02You have, if you have a 12 team league with a $200 cap, there's only 2,400 bucks.
24:07And if people are sitting back and Jamar Chase goes for 48 bucks, when you should be going for 60, then you need to be bidding.
24:15Even if your plan was not to spend a bunch of money on a wide receiver one, you've got to bid 49
24:21because the prices are going to go up and you're going to be squeezed and you're going to be stuck.
24:27So just remember if it's too high, it's going to go down.
24:31If it's too low, it's good. Now the one thing I'll say, the caveat here is that if the prices are too
24:37high, you can't just sit there and wait. And then all of a sudden the top 28 players are off the board
24:44and you don't have any of them. You got to get one of them and overpay or whatever.
24:49But, um, so yeah, number three is I don't think people really realize how much you're playing against people when you're playing
24:56an auction because serpentine drafts aren't really like that.
24:58I mean, it is a little bit like if you're in the 10 hole and you're in a 12 teamer and you
25:05need a quarterback, you go, okay, does 11 and 12 have a quarterback?
25:09Can I wait till the wraparound? That kind of stuff.
25:12But you're not really even playing people there. You're playing rosters and stuff.
25:15But I think that it's underestimated how people will tell you what they think without knowing it.
25:21And in an auction room, you can look around and just see what people are thinking.
25:25I mean, you really can. Nobody's in that room trying to, they're all thinking about what they're going to do next.
25:32Right. You can really look around and just be like, I know he doesn't want him.
25:36He doesn't want him. He does. This guy always nominates somebody that he wants.
25:40This guy nominates people he doesn't want. This guy tries to waste money.
25:44You can, you can peg it. And it's not hard because nobody's in the, in the room really trying to sandbag you
25:51or trying to, trying to like do something, uh, you know, different.
25:54And on the other side of the coin here, let me just close by saying it's funny too, because when you're in
26:01an auction draft room with people, you don't know, you can never predict when somebody is going to do something that's against their self-interest.
26:08And so that's one of the things we're playing people.
26:11It's difficult. And that's part of why I love auction drafting because people's self-interest sometimes doesn't come through and what they do, they get frustrated.
26:18Like I didn't get that guy and I wanted that guy, or they get mad at you because they think you're bidding
26:25them up when you're not actually doing that. You're just trying to build your team.
26:29And so people will act against self-interest randomly and they'll screw up your plans and then you have to shift and move.
26:36But that's all about playing people. And that's, you know, that's one of the reasons I love the game.
26:42I love to try to beat the game itself by, by, by game theory and by playing people.
26:47But again, that's one of those things that people underestimate you're playing against other people.
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27:58I also think that when I've had folks approach me about doing more auction content, which I've done auction content in the past, I actually...
28:06People don't know this, especially if you're newer to the show, but back in the day, I was Roto World's auction guy.
28:12Like back in like 2015, 2016, I would do...
28:15Even before that a little bit. Yeah. And I would do stuff for their magazine and write about it.
28:21And one of the things that I think that...
28:23I'd love to get your take on this, but I think that people overrate the wrong aspects when going from snake to
28:30auction and what changes from snake to auction. What I mean by that is I write an entire draft guide and it's
28:3699% snake draft focus, talking about how to extract value, et cetera, et cetera.
28:40And in the end, a lot of those ideas can still definitely apply to auction drafts.
28:45It's just that people think that you go into an auction, like you're playing a completely different game.
28:51Like it's still fantasy. Like the game itself is the same.
28:54And the mechanism in which you're obviously drafting those teams is what's different, right?
28:58But for some reason, I think a lot of people, people listening to this right now probably think it, but they think about that in reverse.
29:06Like almost like the game is totally different and you're not scoring the same way.
29:10You're not putting a lineup together the same way.
29:13And how you're drafting players, that's where things differ for me is that most people will get a ranking sheet and it's
29:19a linear sheet one to two to three to four to five.
29:23But to me, the big key with auctions is understanding tier when you're doing player take, you know, when you're trying to find pockets of value.
29:31Because I think in the end, both snake and auction, if there's like where the overlap is, is understanding where there might
29:37be pockets of value within a position. Like I really like a lot of the late third round to early fifth round wide receivers this year, right?
29:45So we're talking like the Luther burdens of the world, the, you know, the, the Ted Rowe McMillans of the world.
29:51There's so many, you know, Jalen Waddle, Terry McLaurin.
29:54There's so many good wide receivers in that range.
29:57To me, you can use that to your advantage.
30:00So, so much in an auction draft that you can't necessarily do in a snake draft because in a snake draft, you're
30:06forced to make decisions and you're probably only going to walk away with one or two of those guys.
30:12In an auction draft, you can walk away with four of them, you know, because you can just bid on them and
30:18then forego the early round wide receivers. And so to me, it's really about like really not, not just tiering players and
30:25having those tiers, but understanding what that means and, and where you can attack different pockets of your draft, as opposed to
30:31simply converting a linear rankings list, you know, over to auction values and drafting off of that.
30:36Because in the end, when you're doing that, you're still getting linear values in a dollar form.
30:41You know, it's, it's still the same kind of thing that you would be doing in a snake draft.
30:47Is that something that you've, you've sort of witnessed and gone through as well?
30:51Yeah, this is a really astute point here because the preaching I started to do last summer, and I actually made an
30:58entire episode about how the fantasy industry is really failing auction drafters because it is, there is a tendency to believe there's
31:04a one-to-one comparison and that a mid third round guy should be X dollars.
31:08And I just think that's nonsense because the auctions themselves are non-linear processes.
31:12We don't, we don't nominate guys wide receiver eight, then wide receiver nine, then wide receiver 10.
31:17That's not, so there's, you have to get rid of the linear thinking because prices happen because of nomination order.
31:23And on top of that, the spikes in prices will happen because of scarcity.
31:27And that's not something you can predict ahead of time.
31:30And so to, to your point, and I'm going to steal something from something I was going to say down the road,
31:37but you're talking about something that I preach about all the time, which is opportunity cost.
31:42Yes. And I hate mid round tight ends and snake draft.
31:45Yes. Sam absolutely can't stand it. Yes. But when I get into an auction, it's a lot easier because people don't care
31:52about tight ends after a certain number of them.
31:54Once you get past a, uh, you know, tight end four or five, people just kind of don't care.
32:00And you can get guys like for three to five bucks that you would have to spend a seventh round pick on.
32:06I'm not doing that in a, in a regular snake, but I'm in an auction.
32:11The opportunity cost is not the same. So, and it's the same thing with wide receivers.
32:16And I love that you pointed out all these guys because the, um, the open to my show a couple of weeks
32:22ago, we had just done a mock auction with some of my Patreon folks.
32:26And I said, you know, I'm not so sure that with seeing the prices that I saw, it was a weird sort of inflation at the top.
32:34And, and I talked about this with a rich rebar recently about how, uh, there's a, there's just a very small subset
32:41of receivers now that are demanding that 30% alpha target share.
32:44And that was reflected in this first auction that I did where the top guys were way more inflated than I had seen in recent years.
32:52And then it fell off a cliff. And I said in my show, like, I think that it's very possible that my
32:58strategy this year is not going to be to have one of these guys, but instead it's going to be to go
33:05after Ted Aroa McMillan, Terry McLaurin, Jalen Waddell, these guys that are all 25 to $30, you could go and get a
33:11pretty banging group of five wide receivers for about 110 bucks that are all like those guys.
33:16And the guy that I had leading the charge was Devante Smith.
33:20He went for 33 bucks in that, uh, in that auction.
33:23And then I said, okay, put him with, and I think I listed those guys.
33:28And then, you know, Christian Watson or Jamison Williams for 18 or 19 bucks.
33:32Bang, 122 bucks. I think it was to have Devante Smith, Terry McLaurin, Ted McMillan, um, uh, you know, Jamison Williams, and
33:38then, and, you know, one other Jalen Waddell. And I, I'm not so sure that that's not going to be my strategy
33:45this year because you've isolated exactly my point, which is that your approach should matter as far as, uh, where you see those value pockets.
33:52Yeah. That's something that I preached about for years with quarterback that I thought that now I don't believe that this year
33:59and I've kind of come off it, but I believe that for several years, the way to approach quarterback was I don't
34:06want the top couple guys and I don't want my, uh, roster filler replacement level guys.
34:10There's a little value pocket of guys that are six, eight, $10 that I believe are extremely valuable, but that don't command the price of the top guys.
34:19Yeah. I think that that also the quarterback thing's really interesting because I I've noticed more anecdotally and obviously you've studied this
34:25a lot more than I haven't done a lot more drafts than I have, but I've noticed anecdotally that if you're in
34:32a, especially if you're in a sharper room where, you know, people aren't going to want to spend on quarterback, people are
34:38trying to like penny pinch at that position thinking that, oh, there's no difference between this middle round guy versus this late round guy.
34:45You know, it's traditional late round guy in a, in a snake draft, but like in the end, you still have to
34:52look at the dollar value itself and what those savings are.
34:55We're not talking, you know, Nico Collins to the next tier of that group of wide receivers.
35:00We were just talking about where there might be a significant dollar value change from that player to the next.
35:06We're talking about going from, you know, a middle round, maybe even Jalen hurts this year, however much he goes for, or
35:13Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence to then, you know, knocking that down to one of your favorite, you know, late, maybe Tyler Shuck will go for a dollar.
35:21Right. And if you're only spending four or $5 or $6 on a Justin Herbert or a Trevor Lawrence, I don't think
35:28that the penny pinching makes that much sense in that case compared to what it might do from a regular season long draft and a regular snake draft.
35:36I should say the opportunity cost equations. I think with those, you know, it's the same idea as the tight end thing that you were talking about, right?
35:44The, the, the middle round tight ends, the, the, the Delta and actual dollar value, even if we're usually fading those guys
35:51in a snake draft, the actual Delta and dollar value, when you're talking about throwing a dart at Greg Dulcich compared to
35:57drafting Tucker craft, you know, it's like, why would we not just spend four or five more dollars to get Tucker craft
36:04instead of, cause you're going to have to spend that dollar.
36:07And there's just such a low ceiling in terms of how much people actually spend on those guys when pushed comes to shove.
36:14Yeah. And it's, it's radicalized me a little bit in the last couple of years against spending too much on my bench.
36:20And honestly, what happened to me was the reason it happened was because in the Kings classic, uh, after I was coming
36:27off, um, my back to back, which I don't know how that's ever going to happen again.
36:32I was flying, I was flying high and I was like, I'm going to draft this super deep team because I looked
36:39at the previous years and said, I can draft this really deep team.
36:42And I had the illusion that I could build a deep enough team to stave off the injuries in a 14 team league.
36:49It's just not happening. And so I've gotten more and more to the point where I'm absolutely not going to spend money
36:56or excuse me, save money because I need to get some guys on my bench.
37:00If it comes down to it and I'm in a tough bidding war and I need this guy and he's my starter,
37:07then I'm just going to spend the extra money.
37:09Right. Because when you get to the end of the auction, you're never going to regret spending the extra four bucks for Trevor Lawrence or Justin Herbert.
37:17You are going to regret waiting and then looking down at your team and saying, I have no guys with X factor
37:24on my team because I dropped out because, oh, this guy was four bucks too much.
37:29This guy was three bucks too much. Like that's silly.
37:32Lock down those guys, those impact guys, and then worry about the rest later.
37:36The rest will come to you. And if you end up not spending enough on your bench, hey, work harder on the wire.
37:43I've been doing the exact same thing and trying to preach the exact same thing in best ball to a degree where
37:49I mean, I talked about this on becoming a best ball bro this week, but essentially there are going to be times
37:56where, you know, I was at like the front of the draft.
37:59Right. And I drafted Jalen Waddle on this best ball team.
38:03I think it was in like the one Oh two area or something like that.
38:07One Oh three. Uh, and I drafted Jalen Waddle and the way that the quarterback room was kind of shifting and moving.
38:14I was in the ninth round and I took Bo Nix like 15 picks above ADP because I knew that he likely
38:20wasn't going to make it back around to me.
38:23And you can sit there and say, but ADP value, you know, you're not extracting, but it's not about extracting every or
38:29value out of every single pick that you make, you know, in the grand scheme.
38:34Of course you want to, you want to extract value and you'll, you'll, you'll be able to pick and choose those battles,
38:40but you have to work or you have to look at what works for your individual team in that instance.
38:46Right? Like you can't just ignore, you know, you can't just sit there and say like, Hey, look at this amazing value that I got on Tyler Shuck.
38:55I only got them for a dollar when realistically, if you're looking at the usability of that team, if you would have
39:01just spent, I mean, I think the exact same thing happened with, with me and the Kings classic last year, I drafted
39:08Drake may and I love Drake may like that was one of my, you know, you know, it seems like a humble
39:14brag, but it was just my guy last year as, as it was a lot of other fantasy analysts.
39:20And I got them for like three or four bucks.
39:23And it was a situation where, uh, you know, he gets nominated.
39:26I bid him up a dollar and then someone else bids him up a dollar.
39:31And then no, I could see no one else wanted to go further because it was a late round quarterback.
39:37And they're like, Oh, I budgeted a dollar, $2 from my late round quarterback.
39:41And I'm like, I'm just going to spend $1, one extra dollar to get all of you off of me right now.
39:47You know? And that's all it took. That's all it takes.
39:51You don't think about that dollar when the draft is over.
39:54It doesn't matter. And how many times do you end an auction with four bucks left?
39:59Right. It happens all the time. And then you're like, Oh damn, I should have spent that money on Drake may.
40:05Exactly. And then you look back halfway through the season and you go, Oh my God, my quarterback is Jordan love.
40:11And I could have had Drake may. Right. What the hell did I do to myself?
40:16And that's why I say you'll never regret. And the other thing that I think that, um, that you hit on here
40:23is that when, when, when you're calling out a guy like that, there is a certain categorization that you hit on this
40:29perfectly that had people have in their minds about that player.
40:32And that prevents them from kind of breaking through and bidding on that guy.
40:36When in reality, that's not what you should be thinking about because look, I know we're, we do this for a job.
40:43We want to post our team and be like, look at this sweet deal I got on this guy.
40:49Right. And sometimes you just need to spend money and sometimes you're going to spend too much money.
40:54Right. And let's say that, Hey, I have this guy rated as a $17 player, but I really need a good wide receiver too that I don't have.
41:02And it's getting thin and I spent $24 on a guy that's a $17 player that bugs me.
41:08And I don't want to do that. And one of my biggest problems literally might be my biggest problem is that I know values so cold.
41:15I know them so well that I hate paying extra.
41:18Yeah. But what I have to do is I have to force myself to do it sometimes and say, this is way
41:25too much for this guy, but it matters more to have the guy than it does to have the value.
41:31Exactly. Like just like we have to, we have to not lose the forest for the trees when we're in the middle of the auction.
41:38It's easy to say, there is no way this dude is worth that much, but how much is he worth to you
41:45and your team and your fantasy team in week one when you're setting your lineup?
41:49That's what matters. Exactly. I also, this kind of plays into one of the things I wrote about really early on at
41:56Roto World whenever I was doing the auction stuff was what I called the you theory.
42:01And it was essentially this idea where, you know, a lot of times in drafts, there are like generally accepted tiers, right?
42:07You have the round one to round two running backs this year, let's say, where there's a group of like six or
42:14seven guys that everyone kind of sees as interchangeable in rank.
42:17And, you know, maybe you like Amari and Hampton more than Kenneth Walker or whatever the case may be.
42:23But generally, you know that the room of 12, you know, 11 other people are going to view this tier very similarly.
42:29And what I noticed in doing some reason, this is again, this is like 10 years ago.
42:34But what I noticed is that if you think of the letter U, when the tier starts, people will spend X dollars
42:41on that right in the middle of the tier before, you know, there's still like three, like if you take the seven
42:47guys that I'm talking about, I don't even know how many running backs, but just say there's seven players in this tier that's generally accepted.
42:55The first guy gets nominated. He goes for X dollars.
42:58The next handful of players will go for a comparable number, if not a little bit lower, because that people know intuitively
43:04that there are other unless there's like someone that people just really like.
43:08But people generally know intuitively that there's more players left in that tier.
43:12And then at the very end, when the tears drying up, that's when prices skyrocket again, because they understand that this is
43:18when things are going to try up. And this I got to get my guy now because I didn't buy into this
43:25tier and you can get more value. This is why I think knowing tears and understanding pocket values are just so important
43:31in auctions because you can really extract value by knowing when it's the middle of that tier and you don't have like
43:38such strong player takes that you need to absolutely get this guy because there is variance in fantasy football.
43:44And you can sit there and say, I'm going to wait one or two guys in this tier.
43:49Okay. I know that this guy's off the board.
43:52This guy's off the board. Maybe now's the time to pounce.
43:55We'll see what the price tag looks like. And then once that tier is done towards the end, that's when the prices
44:01start to skyrocket a little bit more. Is that something like a phenomenon that you've witnessed as well?
44:07Yes, absolutely. I call it the boomerang effect. It's the same thing.
44:10You're definitely hitting the nail on the head there.
44:13And the wild card factor there is just the nomination order because a lot of times somebody will nominate somebody who's in the middle of a tier.
44:21And it's hard because people really find comfort and they don't realize it, but they find comfort in that market setting within the tier.
44:28So if a player goes for 27 in this tier and they think, well, that's the top player in the tier.
44:34Everybody's going to go below that until they get nervous and then it's going to spike.
44:39Yeah. But they find comfort in that. And again, that's another thing about playing people.
44:44Find out what makes people comfortable and uncomfortable. By the way, you always want people to feel uncomfortable when you're in the game.
44:50Sorry. No, it's true. I'm just like, I'm just thinking about myself and literally three or four weeks from now drafting with you.
44:57And not only are we going to be approaching these drafts probably similarly, but you're just going to have this look on your face.
45:04Like, I want you to feel pain right now.
45:07I'm just, I want you to feel bad. Do you feel bad yet?
45:11But yeah, when people are comfortable with like, hey, this is the number, then they're going to slot those guys in behind it.
45:18Yeah. And, and you need to make sure you get one of those slotted guys before everyone goes and then starts going crazy.
45:25Exactly. Exactly. All right. I want to move on from auctions.
45:28I want to talk about the legal side of things that you do, because this is also a big differentiator for you
45:34and what you can provide to the fantasy space.
45:37Um, you know, you do awesome threads all the time on different legal situations because unfortunately the way the NFL is, there
45:44are a lot of off the field incidents that go on that we have to figure out from a fantasy football perspective and it sucks and it's unfortunate.
45:52And I want to caveat with that first and foremost, that we even have to go down this path and talk about the legality side of things.
46:00We do have to be fantasy analysts and we do have to understand the implications of what these things are.
46:06So there's two players in particular that are going through it right now from an off the field perspective where, you know,
46:12you look at their ADP, especially in best ball right now, it fluctuates and it has been fluctuating for the last couple of months.
46:20So the first one that I want you to dig into and explain where we're at is with Rasheed Rice.
46:26Yeah, boy, this is a super complicated one, but let me try to break it down as simply as I can, because
46:32I think right now we're in a different spot than we were because he's out of jail and we haven't heard anything from the NFL.
46:40Now that doesn't mean we're not going to hear something from the NFL, but the original thing that I think confused people
46:46with this case and what, with the development in the case of him going to jail, missing OTAs while he's, you know,
46:53recovering from an injury, all that mess. The thing that was difficult for me to parse at the beginning was that he
46:59got 30 days and initially I thought, Hey, he, he violated his probation.
47:03He's got 30 days from the probation violation and technically yes.
47:06But what happened was he was ordered to do 30 days in jail as part of his deferred adjudication from the original plea.
47:13And that 30 days was, you know, I have the sentencing entry posted on one of my threads, which says that that
47:2030 days was to be served TBD. Now that's great for Rice because it's obviously part of the deal that his team
47:26worked out that he could just kind of do that 30 days whenever he wanted over the next five years.
47:32He hadn't done it yet. Who wants to sign up to do it immediately?
47:36Right. I got five years. I'll do that later.
47:39So, so basically he's got these conditions and I've read the probation conditions and the, and the conditions, one of them was
47:45that you can't have illegal substances in your system.
47:48Actually, he's not supposed to be drinking or buying alcohol either, but he's not allowed to have illegal substances because I kind
47:55of heard that argument about, well, weed, blah, blah.
47:57And I'm like, first of all, he's not allowed to have alcohol.
48:01That's illegal everywhere. And number two, weed is not legal in Texas.
48:04So where this case is, it's not legal. So I'm sorry, but that's one of your conditions.
48:10And so what ended up happening was I said, now what, but why is he getting this 30 days now?
48:15And then I said, oh, I know he walked in there on this violation because the person said, Hey, he dropped dirty.
48:22They have a hearing in front of the judge and the judge says, okay, I'm not giving you 30 more days, but this is your wake up call.
48:30You're going to do your 30 now because you violated probation and I'm not taking away your probation or your deferred adjudication,
48:37but you're going to go do this now. And this is your wake up call that I'm not messing around.
48:43And so this was confirmed to be accurate. And I'm glad that I parsed it correctly because there was a lot of
48:49moving parts there that I was just like, a lot of this just isn't adding up perfectly, but he ends up going to jail because of the violation.
48:58But the reason I say all that is not to hear myself talk and sound smart.
49:02The reason I say all that is because this is part of the original plea that he was already punished for by the NFL.
49:10And so I think that's super important when it comes to whether or not he's going to miss time this year, because
49:16I don't know that the NFL is going to care about a weed violation of the probation.
49:21And it's not because it's not important to them that he violated probation.
49:25It's just that it's already part of what he's been punished for.
49:29And I think his team and the NFL PA would argue very strongly that this is not something that you can give him additional punishment for.
49:36And then so what it comes down to is, and let me just say I'm breaking this right now on JJ's show
49:43because this has only been available to the Patreon so far.
49:46But I think that with Rice, I feel more comfortable with him in mid to late August by saying we're taking 120 day bet on him.
49:54We don't have to worry. Now we're talking redraft, obviously.
49:57Dynasty, he's still toxic in my mind. Right. But you're only taking 120 day bet.
50:01And the couple of times that Rice has gotten in trouble has been in the offseason when the guy's got nothing to do.
50:08If he makes it through training camp and he makes it to the season, I think it's okay to make 120 day
50:15bet because I think he's going to stay busy and I think he's going to stay out of trouble during the season.
50:21And I don't think he's getting a new suspension.
50:24So I think it's okay to make a bet on Rice when we get to middle or late August.
50:29Right now, I'm still pretty nervous about it. Yeah, I mean, it seems like the like, especially from like a Dynasty perspective,
50:36like the thing that he did, right? Smoking weed is not the thing that people should, you know, in my opinion, really
50:43care about because people are doing that everywhere all the time, every day.
50:46It's it's the idea that he was on probation and he knew that he shouldn't and couldn't do that thing.
50:52And he did that thing. Right. It's just a decision making thing.
50:56Right. And so that's on top of the other decision making things that have gone south for him.
51:01And so that's the scary part about him long term.
51:04But to your point, if there's no suspension based on how you read this and confirm this and the fact that this
51:11was the delayed 30 days just happening now instead of later.
51:14And then on top of that, like, do you think that the way the NFL has sort of approached marijuana could could
51:21also play a role in this, how they've become more lax and just it's not as big of it?
51:26Like, it's not like it was like a different type of drug that they might have been a little bit harder on.
51:33Yeah, absolutely. It's it's part of it because the NFL has changed the substances of abuse policy that raises the level of
51:39marijuana you're allowed to have in your system and how much they care about it after each offense.
51:45And so I think that absolutely plays into it.
51:47If he's caught with something different in the system, I think we're having a different conversation.
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52:55Josh Jacobs. This one, I can't wrap my head around at all because obviously he was like in jail, then he's out
53:02of jail, but yet it's not closed. Like it seems like an investigation is still ongoing.
53:07Where are we at with Jacobs? The weird thing with Jacobs is this particular jurisdiction, and I think that this might be
53:13Wisconsin in general, but they have a statute on the books that's what's called a mandatory arrest policy.
53:19And that's pretty normal for most jurisdictions, but they handle it differently, and theirs is more draconian than other jurisdictions that I've practiced in.
53:26Because where I'm from, the mandatory arrest policy is really for the time of the incident.
53:30It's really to separate the parties. It says you must arrest somebody in a domestic incident because you want the parties separated.
53:37While tensions are high, that's when things happen. That's when bad things happen.
53:41That's when homicides happen. And so you want to separate these parties.
53:44And so a lot of times there's a mandatory arrest policy at the time of the incident.
53:49In this particular case, they arrested him days later, but their policy says within 28 days, which is crazy to me, they've got to have an arrest.
53:57And they determined that it was Jacobs that needed to be arrested.
54:01So he gets arrested, and then he gets released because they declined to file charges right away.
54:06Now, I think he would have been released anyway, but the point is, it was confusing for a lot of people.
54:12Like, why is he in jail and there's no charges?
54:15Well, that's why. Because of the mandatory arrest policy.
54:18Now, they're saying, hey, we're not necessarily ready to make a decision yet.
54:22That's also somewhat normal in these cases. And it's normal with celebrities specifically, because they want to make sure they're really buttoned
54:28up and they know what they're doing here. So they're taking some time.
54:32Now, I operate under the assumption that when I don't know something about a case, there are unknowable variables in the background that we can't speculate on.
54:40But I will say that when it takes this long, generally they do not have it.
54:45Okay? They don't have what they want. And I think that part of it is that Jacob's team was pushing really hard.
54:52Like, we've got some information here that says that he's going to be, you know, we've got exculpatory information.
54:57You have to pay attention to X, Y, and Z.
55:00I think they're behind the scenes really lobbying the state.
55:03Like, look at this information we have before you decide to do something.
55:07And I think it's making the state think to themselves, should we do this?
55:11Now, the major problem I have with all of this is that I've been in so many of these domestic violence cases.
55:18That is one of my, between DUIs and domestic violence, those are my two most common cases.
55:23Domestic violence, there's so many different components to it.
55:25But one of them that I have learned is that if another person calls the police, things are pretty bad in that situation.
55:32And that's what happened here. I believe a neighbor called the police because they heard stuff was happening next door.
55:38I believe there's a recording of it. And I'm not sure we know exactly.
55:42I'm not sure that we hear the exact. But the point being, you know it's a fairly serious situation when a neighbor
55:49has to call the police and when there's enough ruckus.
55:52And that's bad. That's real bad. And we don't know.
55:55The problem is, and I have to be real careful here.
55:58The problem is, there may be something awful that happened.
56:01And there may be something that happened behind closed doors that only two people know about.
56:06And that's Jacobs and the other person. And there could be.
56:09I don't know that. And again, I'm trying to avoid a slander lawsuit.
56:13But there may be something that happened behind closed doors.
56:16And it seems like things were bad enough that police need to get involved.
56:20Something probably happened. But whether they can prove that and whether the victim is still interested in going forward at this point,
56:27I'm doubtful on both of those because of the length of time they're taking to charge this case.
56:32And two things come from that. One is that I think that either they don't file and then Jacobs is fine for the season.
56:39Or if they do file, I think we're getting so close to the season, Jacobs' team is going to push it off into next year.
56:46Or I'm operating under the assumption Jacobs is going to play a full season for the Packers this year.
56:52Yeah. And it seems like right now, when this stuff was not even in our imagination, you know, he was in best
56:59ball, late second round pick, early third round pick.
57:01And now he's fallen at times to the fifth over on DraftKings.
57:05And so, yeah, it could be an opportunity from a strictly a fan.
57:09Look, again, I have to reiterate, it's admittedly incredibly gross that, you know, you have to go in one sense, like one
57:15of these things is way more important than the other.
57:18I totally understand that. But I also have to, you know, do my job and talk about what this means from an implication standpoint for fantasy football.
57:26And it does seem like if that's the case, then Jacobs is someone that you could hypothetically be targeting right now.
57:33All right. I do need. Yeah, you are. Okay.
57:35There you go. You got the lawyer targeting him right now.
57:38I am. Yeah. Okay. I want to get at least some player takes from you before I let you go.
57:44So give me some players that one at each position that you are targeting this year here in 2026.
57:50The first one is Trevor Lawrence. He's QB 11 right now.
57:53And I looked at some of his numbers from the end of last year.
57:58Now, I realize that a lot of people are saying, well, he had a really easy schedule that set up well for him down the stretch.
58:05But, you know, post by they did play the Texans.
58:08They played the Broncos. And by the way, they lit up the Broncos for 34 points.
58:13Lawrence was awesome in that game. I think he had 279 and three passing with one rushing and like maybe 50 rushing yards.
58:20He was awesome in that game. And to borrow a phrase from Rich Rebar, you want to see offenses that are able
58:26to punch up, that are able to go at defenses like that.
58:30They struggled a little bit against the Texans. But post by Lawrence really seemed to lock into the offense.
58:36And I think that that's underrated because I'll never forget a quote from Bruce Arians who said when he got Carson Palmer,
58:42he said, you can't judge a quarterback on your system until they've got at least eight games of real action to get them into the system.
58:50And post by last year, Lawrence was awesome. He was the QB2 in a lot of formats, you know, at least top three.
58:57His EPA was fourth in the league. He was fifth in completion percentage over expectation.
59:01The Jags offense in general was sixth in dropback EPA.
59:04And this is with a pretty mediocre running game.
59:07They really weren't running the ball very well. He played extremely well.
59:10And I think one of the things that he picked up in his fantasy game over the second half of the year was his rushing.
59:18Exactly. Because he averaged 16 rushing yards a game prior to his buy.
59:22After the buy, he was only below 16 yards one time the entire second half of the year.
59:27So the rushing, I hope the rushing production is still there.
59:30I hope that's a product of him learning the system better and knowing when to take off with the ball.
59:36And maybe that's a Cohen thing. Maybe it's not.
59:39I don't know. I hope it is. Yeah. I mean, the thing, not to interrupt, but like the thing with Cohen that's
59:45really interesting with that is that Baker Mayfield had his best rushing season with Liam Cohen.
59:50You know, like I do think that there is a little bit of a tie to Liam Cohen to allowing his quarterback
59:57to escape the pocket and generate those fantasy points via rushing.
60:00Yeah. And I know it's a small sample size, so I don't want to put too much into it.
60:06But I do think there's something to say about pre-buy.
60:09There is a really stark difference in rushing yards there.
60:11Yeah. And then the last thing I'll say about him is just that all the extra time, they traded for Jacoby Myers near the end of the year.
60:20All the extra time with Myers and with Cohen's system and Myers getting to learn the system and all the pieces fitting
60:26together better after a full offseason together, I think wheels up.
60:30And QB 11 seems a little bit odd to me.
60:33I don't know why he's going so well. I spoiler alert, but he's a player to target in the draft guide this year.
60:39So I'm totally with you. Me and you are going to butt heads.
60:43I can tell. So just make sure you bid five when I say four.
60:47Yeah. So at running back, the guy I'm looking at is Kyron Williams.
60:51You know, I just can't stop talking about Kyron Williams.
60:54And I realize that it's fun for everyone to be in on Blake Corham.
60:58I get it. But let me pull this out for you that this is from our buddy Dwayne McFarlane over at Fantasy Life.
61:05I love his utilization tool. I don't know if you've used it before.
61:09But he's RB 15 right now at ADP. He's never finished that low in his fantasy career since his breakout.
61:15He's never had a fantasy season that low. I think the most interesting thing is when they started to use Blake Corham
61:22last year, we saw his numbers right about 15.8 points per game when they started to use Blake Corham.
61:27And before they used Blake Corham, he was about 15.7 points per game.
61:31So they really focused on getting Corham involved. And yet Kyron's fantasy production didn't really take that much of a hit.
61:37And it's one of those things where I know that it's hard to get your mind around this.
61:43But when you're watching on Sunday, it was really just a rotation.
61:46It was just this is your series. This is your series.
61:50And there's going to be some luck involved there about who gets the goal line carries.
61:54But what's not luck involved is what I pulled from Dwayne's numbers.
61:58And that is that he played 95% of the two-minute snaps.
62:01He played 72% of the long down and distance snaps.
62:04And he played 73% of the short down and distance snaps.
62:07He still managed 59% of the carries inside the five-yard line.
62:11So all of those things tell me Sean McVay trusts him.
62:14They're going to continue to use him. And even when Blake Corham is involved, I still think Kyron Williams is a value at RB50.
62:21Yeah. How about your wide receiver? My wide receiver is Jalen Waddell.
62:25We already talked about him. He's at wide receiver 24 right now.
62:28I think it's weird that – let me just say in general.
62:32I think it's odd that all Jacksonville wide receivers are 33 or worse.
62:36Somebody's going to break out of that. Sure. That's my honorable mention.
62:39Waddell at 24. Let me just say this. He's had two seasons in his career where he's had over 104 targets.
62:45And he finished as the wide receiver 12 in one season and the wide receiver 14 in the other.
62:51Those are PPR points per game. He got 117 targets in 2022.
62:55At 142, his rookie year, he caught 104 balls.
62:57And he had 1,300 yards in the year that he got 117 targets.
63:01That offense that he played in in Miami had a couple problems.
63:05Number one, they wanted to get the ball to Tyreek Hill.
63:08And that's what the offense was designed for. And admittedly, that's the right strategy.
63:12But also, number two, is we saw the fall off in Tua Tagovailoa's play.
63:16And Tua was a different quarterback when he was throwing the ball in those first couple of years to Jalen Waddell.
63:23He just fell off a cliff and the offense got noticeably stale and Waddell with it.
63:27And he had a downward trend with it. So I think you're going to an offensive system that is very strong with Sean Payton.
63:34He's got a strong-armed quarterback. He's got an excellent receiver playing opposite him.
63:38And I think Waddell's going to be the focus there.
63:41So I think wide receiver 24 feels like a value right now.
63:45Yeah, I love Waddell. He checks so many historical trends boxes for me at that ADP.
63:50There's just so much to like. We're going to be fighting over him too.
63:54All right, give me your tight end. Hopefully we won't be fighting.
63:57We should have done this in early August, man.
64:00Yeah, right, right. My tight end, Sam Laporta right now, although I'm not loving the steam.
64:05I'm a little surprised because he was cheaper about a month ago.
64:08Right now he's at tight end eight in ADP.
64:11But I'm comfortable with this because there's two guys that I'm looking at that I like at tight end.
64:17But I like Laporta a lot better. And the other guy is Travis Kelsey.
64:21Kelsey's going 10th overall in ADP. And I will say that last year, Kelsey finished 8th in PPR points per game.
64:27He finished 3rd overall. That's a little bit of a weird discrepancy there.
64:31He was 2nd in routes run, 4th in targets, 6th in receptions, 4th in receiving yards.
64:36But I don't love the upside with Kelsey anymore because I do think that that part of his game is capped.
64:42Right. And so I don't consider him as interesting of a value as I do Sam Laporta because we know what his
64:48upside is and he's still a young player. We don't like messing around with back injuries.
64:53I get that. And I get that it could backfire.
64:56And this is a little bit more of an auction play than a snake play because I think he can get Laporta cheaper.
65:03But at tight end eight, if you look at his historical finishes, of course we know he finished tight end one as a rookie.
65:10But then he finished tight end nine in PPR points per game the following year.
65:15And last year before he was hurt, he was tight end eight in points per game.
65:19So I think you're drafting him as four right now and we know what his upside is.
65:24Yeah. I mean, he's also one. I've gotten him in best ball at times just because of a week 17 stack too
65:31because they get they get Chicago, which is nice.
65:34But yeah, I like that call from a from an auction standpoint basically plays into to bring it all back plays into
65:40what we were talking about with those middle round tight ends and quarterbacks.
65:44So. All right. I got one more question before I let you go.
65:48Yep. Give me your bold take your hot take for this 2026 season.
65:52My hot take is that. So I just debated how hot to go here.
65:56So I went right in the middle. I my hot take is that AJ Brown has overall wide receiver one upside.
66:02Ooh. And I was prepared to hate AJ Brown going into this fantasy season.
66:06I really was because I watched last year a guy that I felt like looked like he was falling off a cliff.
66:13These big bodied receivers when they get older, they break down quicker and the end comes faster.
66:18And I thought that's what we were seeing last year.
66:21But I'm turning off my brain a little bit for that because I do think motivation was such a huge problem for Brown last year.
66:28I think the relationship between him and Hurts had deteriorated.
66:31He was upset with the play calling. He was upset with everything that was going on in Philadelphia last year.
66:37And I think some of what we saw could be effort based.
66:41And so I think I kind of felt the same way about Saquon Barkley.
66:45Like is this dude just had too many injuries and he's you know, he's just not going to be the guy we thought he was going to be.
66:53And then he goes to Philly and he's electric.
66:56And I think the same thing could happen here with the Patriots.
66:59And I was I was talking about how much they love to throw the ball the other day.
67:05And that's I looked up a couple of things.
67:07And one thing I like is, first of all, they were plus three point two percent in pass rate over expected over the full year.
67:15They were 12th in neutral pass rate as well.
67:18But the thing I love the most, the the the stat that I love the most about the Patriots offense was when
67:24they were facing a second and eight or greater.
67:27They were a plus twelve point nine percent pass rate over expected.
67:30That is a monster number. And that I love that because that tells me the play caller is not an idiot.
67:37Yeah, because I can't stand running the guy into the line.
67:40He gets nothing. And on second and 10, you're like, let's do it again.
67:44Yeah. Like we have seen study after study that shows that that second and long run is just a negative EV play.
67:51Yeah. And so that twelve point nine percent is massive.
67:53I think I think the Patriots offense in general could be a firecracker.
67:57And I think A.J. Brown has that possibility. Now, maybe he's the washed guy I saw at the end of last year.
68:04But I think a lot of times motivation comes when we we don't expect to see that because we think what we
68:10saw was, hey, this guy's falling apart. And really, you just need a motivation and a new lease on life and a
68:17new place with a really good quarterback. Yeah, I bought more and more into A.J.
68:21Brown. You know, I bought into him before the trade happened because from a best ball perspective, just because you knew that the ADP was going to rise.
68:30And then the ADP rose. And I'm like, wow, this seems kind of insane.
68:34But the more that I've thought about it, you know, he's he's he's the more I think it's a stable place where he is.
68:41Like, it makes sense as to as to where he's going at this point.
68:45He loves his coach, too. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a difference.
68:48He's got to be. Yeah. Love it. Drew, this was great.
68:52Thank you so much for hopping on and chatting.
68:54Let everyone know where they can find you and where they can find those awesome threads that you're putting out there on X.
69:01Yeah. Thank you so much for having me, man.
69:04This is fun doing a little home and home.
69:07I think you're coming on next week. So this is this is really fun.
69:11I enjoy talking to you. Thank you for having me.
69:14You can find me on Twitter at Drew Davenport FF.
69:17You can find my show, the auction brief anywhere you find podcasts.
69:20My writing's over at Football Guys. And if you want some extra behind the scenes stuff with legal stuff and with the
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69:30That's the Fantasy Football Lawyer. Yes. Can't recommend Drew enough.
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