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0:27Drew Davenport is part of the Football Guys staff and host of the Auction Brief podcast.
0:32He's a three-time Kings Classic auction draft champion. He's been a practicing defense attorney for 24 years, and there's no one in
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1:15The crown is yours. I feel like there can't be that many lawyers that sit on a fantasy football podcast with three
1:22championship belts sitting behind them, dressed in shirt and tie.
1:25I mean, this is a dynamic that you don't find very often on fantasy football shows.
1:30Hey, I'll take it. I'll take it. I think that's probably a good thing, right?
1:34I mean, yeah, of course. Of course. Are you going to be at the Expo again this year?
1:40Absolutely. Yeah. I mark my calendar by the Expo every year.
1:43I love that weekend. I just love seeing the people.
1:46And yeah, the Expo is one of the highlights of my year, to be honest.
1:50What would be your... If you were to sell it to somebody who's listening right now, because how many years have you gone now?
1:57Well, I started by going to the King's Classic in 2019.
2:01The Expo was just sort of a fledgling event at that point.
2:04It wasn't actually a big deal. Yeah. And then after COVID, it kind of exploded.
2:09So I think the thing for me is it's a community thing.
2:12Honestly, if there were no activities and there were just the Expo on Sunday, I'd still go all weekend because I want
2:19to see the people that I get to see once a year.
2:22There's a lot of people that I only see one time a year.
2:26Yeah, that's the thing, man. I mean, I've said it before on shows.
2:30I was on the Podathon for SFB this past weekend.
2:33And I was saying how you go to George's, the bar that's there for folks who haven't been to Canton slash the Expo.
2:40But it's where everyone kind of flocks to, especially after that Friday event, but also the Saturday one too.
2:45Everyone kind of just goes there and hangs out, has a couple drinks.
2:49And it's hilarious. If you're into the fantasy football space and if you listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff, it's
2:56so funny because you go there and you just hear the voices that you've been listening to on shows as you're walking around that.
3:03I mean, it's a small dive bar. It's just a fun little spot to be.
3:07But it's just hilarious. As you walk around, you can just hear all the voices of fantasy football that you've probably been listening to for years.
3:15It is. It is. And I got a buddy coming who is a big fan of podcasts.
3:20He's not in the business. He's in one of my home leagues.
3:24He's coming this summer and I know that he's going to be blown away when he walks into George's and it's like,
3:30oh, there's, oh, and there's, oh, and there's, uh, so yeah, he's excited.
3:34I'm excited, man. Me too. Me too. It's always good to catch up with people.
3:39Um, speaking of catching up, you and I haven't done a show in a minute since last summer, probably.
3:44Um, and so, you know, this is your first time on perspectives.
3:48I like to get a little bit of a background for folks to kind of understand your perspective on, on, and your
3:54outlook on fantasy football, but also just kind of how you got started in this and, and, and why you got started in this.
4:02So, so have at it. Well, I got started in this.
4:05It was a little bit of luck, a little bit of hard work, but I got a Twitter account, uh, back in
4:112019 for the purpose of just following people on Twitter and staying up with fantasy football.
4:16It was an information gathering thing. And then I, I was seeing like the, uh, the narratives around the Tyreek Hill thing happening.
4:23And back at the, that time it was, I don't know if you remember the recorded conversation that his, um, uh, child's
4:29mother had that had him like, you should be scared of me too.
4:33And, and like talking about how the child scared of them and like the child had a broken arm.
4:39Anyway, the point is I was, I was thinking there was some takes on this that were a bit odd.
4:45And with my criminal defense experience, I said, all right, I'm just going to shout into the void.
4:50I had like 90 followers. I'm like, I'm going to shout into the void, you know, to my 88 bots and my mother and my, my best friend.
4:59And so, uh, I say it and then match off, um, from draft sharks, picks it up.
5:04And then it went from there. Ryan McDowell picked it up.
5:07And all of a sudden I'm getting a DM from Joe Bryant and he says, Hey, look, we need a legal guy.
5:13And it just looks like you're into auctions too.
5:16We need both of those things. What do you say?
5:19So, like I said, it's pretty lucky. Uh, but you know, Hey, if I hadn't put myself out there, it wouldn't have happened either.
5:26So that that's where I got my start. And that was back in 2019.
5:30How did the auction love come to be? Because, you know, to be honest, auction is still a very underserved area of the fantasy football space.
5:38And we're definitely going to be digging into that on today's show.
5:42But how did you get so interested in that as sort of like your niche?
5:46Yeah, that came honestly, because I didn't even really know any better.
5:50So back in the late nineties, early two thousands, I'm in law school.
5:54I got a buddy who plays fantasy football. He gets me into it.
5:57And I wasn't into it from the standpoint, like I was going to drafts and hanging out with people and doing home league.
6:04I was doing like these online salary cap things where like when you get a team and they perform well that week,
6:11their price goes up and then you can like get rid of that player and get like another really good player.
6:17And so that's what I was doing. And then I get a call from a buddy like, Hey, we got a spot in the home league.
6:25It's an auction. Here's how it works. And I'm like, okay.
6:28Like I didn't know any better. I didn't know there was picking.
6:32I had no idea. So I go to my first ever fantasy football draft and it was an auction and I fell in love with it.
6:39I tell the story all the time because I ended up getting David Boston for a couple bucks at the end of the draft.
6:46And it was the year that he had the 1500 yards and eight touchdowns.
6:51And I was, I was hooked because I said, Oh my gosh, I got this guy for like three bucks.
6:57And then he ends up being one of the best receivers in the league.
7:01And I was hooked from that point. The auctions just always have seemed natural as it's always seemed like the way to play for me.
7:08Was that the year that he started taking steroids?
7:11Was that, uh, I'm sure that he has been on them since he was 11.
7:15So, uh, yeah, he, he, he was awesome one year.
7:18Then we never got that again. That dude, I remember back then that dude, like we, like he was just jacked out.
7:25I mean, I've never seen a wider. My head.
7:27Yes. Yes. It was absurd. So how do you think your law background?
7:31Cause obviously you're practicing lawyer. How do you think that has impacted the way that you view fantasy football as an analyst?
7:38Now, obviously you're doing quite literally legal breakdowns of a lot of this stuff, but even just at like an individual player
7:44analysis level or the way that you look at auction drafts, like how, how do you think being, you know, an attorney
7:51has, has impacted the way and you're sort of like specific angle that you look at fantasy football.
7:56Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is a, this could be a super complicated question.
8:00It could be a super easy one too. I mean, uh, I'm a lawyer after all.
8:05I can, I can talk for 20 minutes about anything.
8:08So yeah, I think honestly the, uh, let me just say that when I got my start and the buddy who was
8:15into it in law school, let me give a shout out to my buddy, Greg Shope here.
8:20He was, um, a lawyer up in Toledo and he was the guy who really taught me what it meant to think about sports.
8:27And that was happening like right when I was getting my fantasy football, you know, my introduction into it.
8:32And, you know, before then I was, I was one of those people who was just like, Hey, I'm going to watch
8:39sports center and, uh, whatever they say on sports center, I'm going to repeat that to my friends.
8:44And that's what I think knowing stuff about sports is all about.
8:48And he was really like, uh, no, this is how you think about it.
8:52This is how you analyze it. And so I really got into it at that point.
8:57And then the law thing comes in because being a lawyer is not really about learning the law.
9:02I know that sounds funny. They teach you how to think like a lawyer, how to analyze things like a lawyer.
9:08And one of the things that I have to do for my job every day is I read police reports just nonstop over and over and over.
9:16I just have to read police reports because I've such a high case volume.
9:21I get a, you get a, um, inundation of the, just the total, the sheer volume as a public defender that you don't get as a private lawyer.
9:29And what that teaches me is like, you really have to be good at parsing through all the nonsense and getting right
9:35to the core of what are the details here that actually matter.
9:39So issue spotting is a big thing. I also think, you know, setting up arguments, poking holes in arguments, all that stuff
9:46is, that's what I do every single day. Even if I don't like my position, I got to do it because that's my job.
9:53Um, it doesn't help me. It doesn't hurt either that, uh, the extemporaneous speaking is a large part of what I do too.
10:00So. Yeah. I've always had the stance that, um, cause, cause obviously, especially in like today's world where folks are approaching fantasy
10:06analysis more through, you know, mediums of, you know, TikTok, social podcast video.
10:10I've actually taken the stance more so that I think that it's really impactful and helpful to have a way of writing
10:16what you're thinking and saying, because it allows you to really break down an argument more coherently.
10:22And I'm sure obviously like you're doing that constantly, I would imagine.
10:25And like, I would imagine that that also is, is, is just helping your brain think in that way.
10:31Right. And that, that argumentative way, like whenever I always use this example and you're, I mean, you being a football guys
10:37guy, uh, you know, you'll appreciate it. But back in the day when I started, which was back in like 2012 or
10:44so, the one person that I always wanted to make sure I was kind of crossing my T's and dotting my eyes
10:50for, because I knew that he would try to poke holes in my argument was Sigmund Blum.
10:55Now this is when back then, uh, Blum was a little bit more like combative on social, not in a bad way.
11:02Just like he was more confrontational, I guess you would say than he is today.
11:06It wasn't like he was being mean or anything.
11:09He was just wanting to learn, wanting to poke holes in arguments, et cetera, et cetera.
11:14And I still, to this day, and I've told him this, I still, to this day, while I'm approaching an argument, I'm
11:20thinking how would Blum poke a hole in this, right?
11:23As I'm approaching a writing or analysis and I'm doing, and I'm, I would imagine for you having to do that and
11:30breaking things down that way, as opposed to just hitting record on a podcast has been kind of helpful.
11:36It's massively helpful. And one of the things that I reference on my show all the time is a quote that I
11:42love that I'm sure I'm going to screw up the quote badly, but you don't wear a path way in, in the grass by walking back and forth.
11:50Once you have to do it over and over and over until the pathway is there.
11:55And that's the same thing with your brain. Your brain doesn't, you don't figure it out by hitting record and start talking.
12:02You have to do these things over and over and over.
12:05And then your brain actually has that pathway where you can walk down it.
12:09And it's a lot easier to walk that path after you've done it a lot.
12:14Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, for sure that that's anything with its fantasy, really, you know, I'm sure you've talked to folks
12:20that are just starting in the space and they, you know, talk about what they can do and how, how you get things done so quick.
12:28It's, it's just reps. It's just reps. It's just doing things over and over again and allowing your brain to know what
12:34to look for and finding those patterns, even if it's subconscious in a way, right?
12:39Like some of the things that you're finding, I'm sure while you're looking at those case reports and stuff is just something that you just know.
12:47Cause you've looked at thousands of them, you know, it's just the way that, that, that things kind of go down as
12:53you, as you get more and more practice. Yeah.
12:56And, and again, something else that I say all the time is people mistake gut instinct for like wild ass guessing there,
13:02there is a, a lot of people think that gut comes from, Hey, I'm just going to like, uh, look at something and give you my wild opinion.
13:11No, gut comes from honing that instinct. And that's from the hard work.
13:14The gut springs from the hard work. And I, I see this a lot of the poker table where people think, Oh, he didn't have it.
13:22I'm like, well, why did you think he didn't have it?
13:25Why just knew he didn't happen? I'm like, that's not a, that's not a reason.
13:30Gut comes from the hours and hours and hours of study thinking about it.
13:34And that's the other part that bothers me sometimes about, especially with auction drafting.
13:38I tell my, my folks all the time, like, look, you can't just go do the auction draft, be done.
13:44And then, and then it's over. It's not over.
13:47It's not a snake where you can just go, okay, maybe I could have made this pick here or there.
13:53You can take you a few minutes to look at, maybe I should have made this or that play an auction.
13:59You have to go back and say, where did I make my mistakes?
14:03Where did I do things wrong? What did I do?
14:06Right. When could I have nominated this guy at a different time?
14:09All of that stuff, it just all matters. And it all rolls into one thing.
14:14That's, that's extremely important in a totality, I guess.
14:17Well, let's talk about auctions a little bit. Give your pitch as to why it should be more mainstream.
14:22Cause it's not, it's not more mainstream. Like it's, it's, it's, you know, slowly grown as the game has grown, right?
14:28Fantasy football in general has gotten bigger and bigger, but I would argue that, that it's not even necessarily proportionally growing the
14:35same way that, that the rest of the space is.
14:38So what would your pitch be for more people to try out and play in auction leagues?
14:43Well, I can get, I'll give you the, the, uh, you know, the stump speech here.
14:48It, I don't know why it's not growing a little bit better.
14:51I'm trying so hard to make inroads, but it's difficult.
14:54I mean, I pitched a site recently, um, as recently as last summer about how we need to approach auction drafting differently.
15:01And they were pretty resistant to it. And I don't blame them because when you run a website, you're worried about the
15:07bottom line and the auctions are not pulling in the bottom line.
15:11I get that. It's not helping your bottom line.
15:14So people don't really care about innovating. And so I'm trying to innovate on my own and I'm, uh, well, I'm working
15:20on it, but anyway, the pitch would be this, and it's real simple.
15:24I believe that if you are a strong fantasy football player, that auctions magnify your advantage.
15:29I believe that your knowledge and your experience in the game is magnified over somebody who's, um, preparing a week before or
15:35buying a magazine on the way to the draft or printing out rankings.
15:39A lot of people come to auction drafts and they just print out values and they say, okay, well, this guy is
15:46going for 37 and it says right here that he's valued at 42.
15:50So I'm going to bid 38. And that is not how auctions are done.
15:54So what I would tell you is if you think you're good at fantasy football, auctions will make you better than the
16:00rest of the people in the room. So that's my big pitch.
16:04And let me say this. A lot of times when I talk about auctions, it sounds like I'm saying like snakes are,
16:10you know, have no skill and they're this and that.
16:13I think generally they're boring. Let me just say that.
16:16But I will say there is a skill to snake drafting, a serpentine drafting.
16:20There are a hundred percent is, you know how I know that?
16:24Cause I'm not very good at it. I'm just not like, I don't do enough of them and I don't care.
16:30Like I, I, I pay attention to it and look, I talk about ADP a lot and I talk about where guys
16:37should be valued because that's the general need in the community.
16:40But my pitch is, look, if you think you're good, start getting into auctions and your base will make you better than other people.
16:47So let's dig into this a little bit more.
16:50When you look at what people on other sites or on social media or what have you are doing or your own experience, right?
16:57Cause obviously, you know, you've, you've done really well, let's just say in the King's classic auction drafts, right?
17:03Or, or other industry drafts. What do you think fantasy managers get wrong most when they go into one of those auctions?
17:09So I think it's a JJ, it's a super basic level that bothers me about auction drafting.
17:14Okay. And then I think the basic level is this.
17:17Everyone, what we see on sites a lot is when people write articles about this stuff, everyone likes to say, Hey, flexibility is key.
17:24Go into the draft and don't be rigid. Yes.
17:27Yes. That's true. But that doesn't capture the whole point here because I don't believe that flexibility should be the first thing that people are learning.
17:35In fact, I believe that what most people get wrong here is that rigidity actually breeds flexibility in the draft.
17:41And let me explain what I mean there. There, there's a couple of things that I think people do wrong.
17:47Number one, I don't think people walk into an auction draft with a, with a smart enough plan most of the time.
17:53And I think a lot of times what that boils down to is people are reading articles that are telling them that
18:00say, Hey, um, if you want to spend X amount of dollars on wide receiver, okay, so put 55% of your budget towards wide receiver.
18:07That helps nobody in the middle of an auction.
18:10Yeah. You're not sitting in there going, I have 55%.
18:13Okay. So $200 cap, that's $110. And then they say sold.
18:16And you're like, wait a minute. I was still doing math.
18:19Like that doesn't help anybody. So I think the first thing is formulating a plan that you can execute.
18:25And I think that plan needs to be super specific.
18:28And that's where I think people get lost. I think people are like, well, I don't really like, uh, you know, this
18:34and that, and I'm going to try to go for a top wide receiver.
18:39I'm like, that's not a plan. The plan should be, who am I going to nominate the first round?
18:44Who am I trying to lock up early? Who are my targets that I need to figure out if I'm going to get these guys early?
18:52Like there is a specific way that you got to build a plan.
18:56And what flows from that is something that I have coined the phrase that I've coined that has become a extremely important,
19:02uh, crutch, if you will, or tool maybe is a better way to say it.
19:07And that is the par sheet. And the par sheet, I know that there are a lot of people out there that
19:13just kind of shrug that off and think that it's nonsense.
19:17But as soon as you use it, you will realize how great it is.
19:21And by the way, I realize I'm drafting against you in a few weeks.
19:25Um, so just delete all this from your memory, uh, before we walk in there.
19:29But the par sheet, the par sheet's the single biggest innovation that I have in this space that I believe is important for, um, especially new folks.
19:37But I think anybody, and I use it still to this day.
19:41And really what it is, is if you have a $200 cap and a 16 man roster, you're going to write a
19:47specific dollar amount for every single player on your roster.
19:50Okay. Okay. I need a kicker $1. I need a defense $1, a backup tight end $1.
19:56You're going to go and put these numbers down.
19:58My wide receiver one, I don't want to spend more than 52.
20:02Okay. You write that there. And then you get a specific dollar amount for everyone.
20:06And then the pushback I always hear is that's way too rigid.
20:10It's going to make you go in there. And I said, no, it's the exact opposite.
20:15What it does is it gives you a guideline because in the end, what auctions are is a balancing act.
20:20It's a tight rope act because you have to spend money.
20:24And if you don't, you won't have a good enough good impact players.
20:28But if you spend it too quick, you won't be available in the middle of the draft to take up some of
20:34the deals that you need to grab. So it's a balancing act.
20:38And the par sheet keeps you on that, that tight, tight rope.
20:41And it keeps you walking down that path because if you stray too far, you go, okay, I spent 58 when I
20:48said I was going to spend 52. Now I got to pull $6 from somewhere else, but that's instant.
20:53You know that stuff right away. It's no like, Hey, I was, I've spent 38% of my budget now and now I
21:00need, I have 7% left to spend. So I believe that rigidity leads to flexibility.
21:04And I think that's something that everyone misses when they start out.
21:08It's almost like being hypothetically rigid, right? Where it's, it's, it's the rigidity is not necessarily, I have to get Chase Brown
21:15no matter what, you know, which is definitely something that can get you into trouble in an auction because then you're so fixated on that one player.
21:23And then all of a sudden people might be underspending, you know, you might've gotten values and other guys, but you're like, Nope, I'm waiting for Chase Brown.
21:31And then all of a sudden you spend 10 extra dollars on Chase Brown because you have that idea.
21:37But this like this, this being like hypothetically rigid makes a lot of sense because you can then adjust as your draft is actually going down.
21:44Yes. Yes. That's exactly right. And you just mentioned something that's a pet peeve of mine is that if you believe that
21:51you really want Chase Brown and it's like, Hey, it's Chase Brown or bust for me.
21:56That's okay. That's okay to think that before the draft starts, but what you need to do is not wait to find
22:02out if you're going to get them. Right. Cause there's going to be deals along the way that you have to decide whether or not you want them.
22:10And if you're waiting on Brown, you miss the deals.
22:13So you need to nominate him right away. And a lot of things, a lot of times what people do is they
22:20miss that, um, that they think that waiting is going to equal a deal.
22:24That's not really the case with the top players.
22:27You're not getting great deals on the top players.
22:29You need to nominate your targets early, find out if you're going to get them.
22:34Right. If you don't, you can pivot. So, I mean, this might be one of those things, but what are, what are
22:40a few things, you know, if, if someone's walking into an auction draft that you think they should be aware of that
22:47they might not be prepared for, you know, just given, given your experience.
22:51Yeah. So your, your show sheet had asked me for three things.
22:54I did list three here that are fairly specific, but I, I think they're somewhat universal too.
22:59So, and that's what I was trying to do.
23:02Um, the first one is I don't think anybody's prepared for the speed of the draft.
23:07I don't think anybody's prepared for how quickly things are happening.
23:10And certainly with an online draft, um, I know that most people are doing their drafting online these days, but if you're
23:17in a live auction, it's a little bit easier to say, Hey, hold up a sec.
23:21I got to write that down or I got to do this.
23:25Um, but an online draft is a really fast process that you're not ready to handle.
23:30And when that clock is beeping at you, like five, four in snake drafts, you're really comfortable with the fact that I've
23:36got time to check my roster, to check injuries, to look something up.
23:40You do not have that time in an auction draft.
23:43So it's just, it, the speed is different. Um, so preparation is really important there.
23:48The second thing is, is, is an immutable law of auction drafting.
23:51If the prices are too high, they're going to come down.
23:54And if the prices are too low, they're going to go up.
23:58They're just, it is a closed system. It is a finite closed system.
24:02You have, if you have a 12 team league with a $200 cap, there's only 2,400 bucks.
24:07And if people are sitting back and Jamar Chase goes for 48 bucks, when you should be going for 60, then you need to be bidding.
24:15Even if your plan was not to spend a bunch of money on a wide receiver one, you've got to bid 49
24:21because the prices are going to go up and you're going to be squeezed and you're going to be stuck.
24:27So just remember if it's too high, it's going to go down.
24:31If it's too low, it's good. Now the one thing I'll say, the caveat here is that if the prices are too
24:37high, you can't just sit there and wait. And then all of a sudden the top 28 players are off the board
24:44and you don't have any of them. You got to get one of them and overpay or whatever.
24:49But, um, so yeah, number three is I don't think people really realize how much you're playing against people when you're playing
24:56an auction because serpentine drafts aren't really like that.
24:58I mean, it is a little bit like if you're in the 10 hole and you're in a 12 teamer and you
25:05need a quarterback, you go, okay, does 11 and 12 have a quarterback?
25:09Can I wait till the wraparound? That kind of stuff.
25:12But you're not really even playing people there. You're playing rosters and stuff.
25:15But I think that it's underestimated how people will tell you what they think without knowing it.
25:21And in an auction room, you can look around and just see what people are thinking.
25:25I mean, you really can. Nobody's in that room trying to, they're all thinking about what they're going to do next.
25:32Right. You can really look around and just be like, I know he doesn't want him.
25:36He doesn't want him. He does. This guy always nominates somebody that he wants.
25:40This guy nominates people he doesn't want. This guy tries to waste money.
25:44You can, you can peg it. And it's not hard because nobody's in the, in the room really trying to sandbag you
25:51or trying to, trying to like do something, uh, you know, different.
25:54And on the other side of the coin here, let me just close by saying it's funny too, because when you're in
26:01an auction draft room with people, you don't know, you can never predict when somebody is going to do something that's against their self-interest.
26:08And so that's one of the things we're playing people.
26:11It's difficult. And that's part of why I love auction drafting because people's self-interest sometimes doesn't come through and what they do, they get frustrated.
26:18Like I didn't get that guy and I wanted that guy, or they get mad at you because they think you're bidding
26:25them up when you're not actually doing that. You're just trying to build your team.
26:29And so people will act against self-interest randomly and they'll screw up your plans and then you have to shift and move.
26:36But that's all about playing people. And that's, you know, that's one of the reasons I love the game.
26:42I love to try to beat the game itself by, by, by game theory and by playing people.
26:47But again, that's one of those things that people underestimate you're playing against other people.
26:51You're not necessarily playing as much fantasy football as you might think.
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27:58I also think that when I've had folks approach me about doing more auction content, which I've done auction content in the past, I actually...
28:06People don't know this, especially if you're newer to the show, but back in the day, I was Roto World's auction guy.
28:12Like back in like 2015, 2016, I would do...
28:15Even before that a little bit. Yeah. And I would do stuff for their magazine and write about it.
28:21And one of the things that I think that...
28:23I'd love to get your take on this, but I think that people overrate the wrong aspects when going from snake to
28:30auction and what changes from snake to auction. What I mean by that is I write an entire draft guide and it's
28:3699% snake draft focus, talking about how to extract value, et cetera, et cetera.
28:40And in the end, a lot of those ideas can still definitely apply to auction drafts.
28:45It's just that people think that you go into an auction, like you're playing a completely different game.
28:51Like it's still fantasy. Like the game itself is the same.
28:54And the mechanism in which you're obviously drafting those teams is what's different, right?
28:58But for some reason, I think a lot of people, people listening to this right now probably think it, but they think about that in reverse.
29:06Like almost like the game is totally different and you're not scoring the same way.
29:10You're not putting a lineup together the same way.
29:13And how you're drafting players, that's where things differ for me is that most people will get a ranking sheet and it's
29:19a linear sheet one to two to three to four to five.
29:23But to me, the big key with auctions is understanding tier when you're doing player take, you know, when you're trying to find pockets of value.
29:31Because I think in the end, both snake and auction, if there's like where the overlap is, is understanding where there might
29:37be pockets of value within a position. Like I really like a lot of the late third round to early fifth round wide receivers this year, right?
29:45So we're talking like the Luther burdens of the world, the, you know, the, the Ted Rowe McMillans of the world.
29:51There's so many, you know, Jalen Waddle, Terry McLaurin.
29:54There's so many good wide receivers in that range.
29:57To me, you can use that to your advantage.
30:00So, so much in an auction draft that you can't necessarily do in a snake draft because in a snake draft, you're
30:06forced to make decisions and you're probably only going to walk away with one or two of those guys.
30:12In an auction draft, you can walk away with four of them, you know, because you can just bid on them and
30:18then forego the early round wide receivers. And so to me, it's really about like really not, not just tiering players and
30:25having those tiers, but understanding what that means and, and where you can attack different pockets of your draft, as opposed to
30:31simply converting a linear rankings list, you know, over to auction values and drafting off of that.
30:36Because in the end, when you're doing that, you're still getting linear values in a dollar form.
30:41You know, it's, it's still the same kind of thing that you would be doing in a snake draft.
30:47Is that something that you've, you've sort of witnessed and gone through as well?
30:51Yeah, this is a really astute point here because the preaching I started to do last summer, and I actually made an
30:58entire episode about how the fantasy industry is really failing auction drafters because it is, there is a tendency to believe there's
31:04a one-to-one comparison and that a mid third round guy should be X dollars.
31:08And I just think that's nonsense because the auctions themselves are non-linear processes.
31:12We don't, we don't nominate guys wide receiver eight, then wide receiver nine, then wide receiver 10.
31:17That's not, so there's, you have to get rid of the linear thinking because prices happen because of nomination order.
31:23And on top of that, the spikes in prices will happen because of scarcity.
31:27And that's not something you can predict ahead of time.
31:30And so to, to your point, and I'm going to steal something from something I was going to say down the road,
31:37but you're talking about something that I preach about all the time, which is opportunity cost.
31:42Yes. And I hate mid round tight ends and snake draft.
31:45Yes. Sam absolutely can't stand it. Yes. But when I get into an auction, it's a lot easier because people don't care
31:52about tight ends after a certain number of them.
31:54Once you get past a, uh, you know, tight end four or five, people just kind of don't care.
32:00And you can get guys like for three to five bucks that you would have to spend a seventh round pick on.
32:06I'm not doing that in a, in a regular snake, but I'm in an auction.
32:11The opportunity cost is not the same. So, and it's the same thing with wide receivers.
32:16And I love that you pointed out all these guys because the, um, the open to my show a couple of weeks
32:22ago, we had just done a mock auction with some of my Patreon folks.
32:26And I said, you know, I'm not so sure that with seeing the prices that I saw, it was a weird sort of inflation at the top.
32:34And, and I talked about this with a rich rebar recently about how, uh, there's a, there's just a very small subset
32:41of receivers now that are demanding that 30% alpha target share.
32:44And that was reflected in this first auction that I did where the top guys were way more inflated than I had seen in recent years.
32:52And then it fell off a cliff. And I said in my show, like, I think that it's very possible that my
32:58strategy this year is not going to be to have one of these guys, but instead it's going to be to go
33:05after Ted Aroa McMillan, Terry McLaurin, Jalen Waddell, these guys that are all 25 to $30, you could go and get a
33:11pretty banging group of five wide receivers for about 110 bucks that are all like those guys.
33:16And the guy that I had leading the charge was Devante Smith.
33:20He went for 33 bucks in that, uh, in that auction.
33:23And then I said, okay, put him with, and I think I listed those guys.
33:28And then, you know, Christian Watson or Jamison Williams for 18 or 19 bucks.
33:32Bang, 122 bucks. I think it was to have Devante Smith, Terry McLaurin, Ted McMillan, um, uh, you know, Jamison Williams, and
33:38then, and, you know, one other Jalen Waddell. And I, I'm not so sure that that's not going to be my strategy
33:45this year because you've isolated exactly my point, which is that your approach should matter as far as, uh, where you see those value pockets.
33:52Yeah. That's something that I preached about for years with quarterback that I thought that now I don't believe that this year
33:59and I've kind of come off it, but I believe that for several years, the way to approach quarterback was I don't
34:06want the top couple guys and I don't want my, uh, roster filler replacement level guys.
34:10There's a little value pocket of guys that are six, eight, $10 that I believe are extremely valuable, but that don't command the price of the top guys.
34:19Yeah. I think that that also the quarterback thing's really interesting because I I've noticed more anecdotally and obviously you've studied this
34:25a lot more than I haven't done a lot more drafts than I have, but I've noticed anecdotally that if you're in
34:32a, especially if you're in a sharper room where, you know, people aren't going to want to spend on quarterback, people are
34:38trying to like penny pinch at that position thinking that, oh, there's no difference between this middle round guy versus this late round guy.
34:45You know, it's traditional late round guy in a, in a snake draft, but like in the end, you still have to
34:52look at the dollar value itself and what those savings are.
34:55We're not talking, you know, Nico Collins to the next tier of that group of wide receivers.
35:00We were just talking about where there might be a significant dollar value change from that player to the next.
35:06We're talking about going from, you know, a middle round, maybe even Jalen hurts this year, however much he goes for, or
35:13Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence to then, you know, knocking that down to one of your favorite, you know, late, maybe Tyler Shuck will go for a dollar.
35:21Right. And if you're only spending four or $5 or $6 on a Justin Herbert or a Trevor Lawrence, I don't think
35:28that the penny pinching makes that much sense in that case compared to what it might do from a regular season long draft and a regular snake draft.
35:36I should say the opportunity cost equations. I think with those, you know, it's the same idea as the tight end thing that you were talking about, right?
35:44The, the, the middle round tight ends, the, the, the Delta and actual dollar value, even if we're usually fading those guys
35:51in a snake draft, the actual Delta and dollar value, when you're talking about throwing a dart at Greg Dulcich compared to
35:57drafting Tucker craft, you know, it's like, why would we not just spend four or five more dollars to get Tucker craft
36:04instead of, cause you're going to have to spend that dollar.
36:07And there's just such a low ceiling in terms of how much people actually spend on those guys when pushed comes to shove.
36:14Yeah. And it's, it's radicalized me a little bit in the last couple of years against spending too much on my bench.
36:20And honestly, what happened to me was the reason it happened was because in the Kings classic, uh, after I was coming
36:27off, um, my back to back, which I don't know how that's ever going to happen again.
36:32I was flying, I was flying high and I was like, I'm going to draft this super deep team because I looked
36:39at the previous years and said, I can draft this really deep team.
36:42And I had the illusion that I could build a deep enough team to stave off the injuries in a 14 team league.
36:49It's just not happening. And so I've gotten more and more to the point where I'm absolutely not going to spend money
36:56or excuse me, save money because I need to get some guys on my bench.
37:00If it comes down to it and I'm in a tough bidding war and I need this guy and he's my starter,
37:07then I'm just going to spend the extra money.
37:09Right. Because when you get to the end of the auction, you're never going to regret spending the extra four bucks for Trevor Lawrence or Justin Herbert.
37:17You are going to regret waiting and then looking down at your team and saying, I have no guys with X factor
37:24on my team because I dropped out because, oh, this guy was four bucks too much.
37:29This guy was three bucks too much. Like that's silly.
37:32Lock down those guys, those impact guys, and then worry about the rest later.
37:36The rest will come to you. And if you end up not spending enough on your bench, hey, work harder on the wire.
37:43I've been doing the exact same thing and trying to preach the exact same thing in best ball to a degree where
37:49I mean, I talked about this on becoming a best ball bro this week, but essentially there are going to be times
37:56where, you know, I was at like the front of the draft.
37:59Right. And I drafted Jalen Waddle on this best ball team.
38:03I think it was in like the one Oh two area or something like that.
38:07One Oh three. Uh, and I drafted Jalen Waddle and the way that the quarterback room was kind of shifting and moving.
38:14I was in the ninth round and I took Bo Nix like 15 picks above ADP because I knew that he likely
38:20wasn't going to make it back around to me.
38:23And you can sit there and say, but ADP value, you know, you're not extracting, but it's not about extracting every or
38:29value out of every single pick that you make, you know, in the grand scheme.
38:34Of course you want to, you want to extract value and you'll, you'll, you'll be able to pick and choose those battles,
38:40but you have to work or you have to look at what works for your individual team in that instance.
38:46Right? Like you can't just ignore, you know, you can't just sit there and say like, Hey, look at this amazing value that I got on Tyler Shuck.
38:55I only got them for a dollar when realistically, if you're looking at the usability of that team, if you would have
39:01just spent, I mean, I think the exact same thing happened with, with me and the Kings classic last year, I drafted
39:08Drake may and I love Drake may like that was one of my, you know, you know, it seems like a humble
39:14brag, but it was just my guy last year as, as it was a lot of other fantasy analysts.
39:20And I got them for like three or four bucks.
39:23And it was a situation where, uh, you know, he gets nominated.
39:26I bid him up a dollar and then someone else bids him up a dollar.
39:31And then no, I could see no one else wanted to go further because it was a late round quarterback.
39:37And they're like, Oh, I budgeted a dollar, $2 from my late round quarterback.
39:41And I'm like, I'm just going to spend $1, one extra dollar to get all of you off of me right now.
39:47You know? And that's all it took. That's all it takes.
39:51You don't think about that dollar when the draft is over.
39:54It doesn't matter. And how many times do you end an auction with four bucks left?
39:59Right. It happens all the time. And then you're like, Oh damn, I should have spent that money on Drake may.
40:05Exactly. And then you look back halfway through the season and you go, Oh my God, my quarterback is Jordan love.
40:11And I could have had Drake may. Right. What the hell did I do to myself?
40:16And that's why I say you'll never regret. And the other thing that I think that, um, that you hit on here
40:23is that when, when, when you're calling out a guy like that, there is a certain categorization that you hit on this
40:29perfectly that had people have in their minds about that player.
40:32And that prevents them from kind of breaking through and bidding on that guy.
40:36When in reality, that's not what you should be thinking about because look, I know we're, we do this for a job.
40:43We want to post our team and be like, look at this sweet deal I got on this guy.
40:49Right. And sometimes you just need to spend money and sometimes you're going to spend too much money.
40:54Right. And let's say that, Hey, I have this guy rated as a $17 player, but I really need a good wide receiver too that I don't have.
41:02And it's getting thin and I spent $24 on a guy that's a $17 player that bugs me.
41:08And I don't want to do that. And one of my biggest problems literally might be my biggest problem is that I know values so cold.
41:15I know them so well that I hate paying extra.
41:18Yeah. But what I have to do is I have to force myself to do it sometimes and say, this is way
41:25too much for this guy, but it matters more to have the guy than it does to have the value.
41:31Exactly. Like just like we have to, we have to not lose the forest for the trees when we're in the middle of the auction.
41:38It's easy to say, there is no way this dude is worth that much, but how much is he worth to you
41:45and your team and your fantasy team in week one when you're setting your lineup?
41:49That's what matters. Exactly. I also, this kind of plays into one of the things I wrote about really early on at
41:56Roto World whenever I was doing the auction stuff was what I called the you theory.
42:01And it was essentially this idea where, you know, a lot of times in drafts, there are like generally accepted tiers, right?
42:07You have the round one to round two running backs this year, let's say, where there's a group of like six or
42:14seven guys that everyone kind of sees as interchangeable in rank.
42:17And, you know, maybe you like Amari and Hampton more than Kenneth Walker or whatever the case may be.
42:23But generally, you know that the room of 12, you know, 11 other people are going to view this tier very similarly.
42:29And what I noticed in doing some reason, this is again, this is like 10 years ago.
42:34But what I noticed is that if you think of the letter U, when the tier starts, people will spend X dollars
42:41on that right in the middle of the tier before, you know, there's still like three, like if you take the seven
42:47guys that I'm talking about, I don't even know how many running backs, but just say there's seven players in this tier that's generally accepted.
42:55The first guy gets nominated. He goes for X dollars.
42:58The next handful of players will go for a comparable number, if not a little bit lower, because that people know intuitively
43:04that there are other unless there's like someone that people just really like.
43:08But people generally know intuitively that there's more players left in that tier.
43:12And then at the very end, when the tears drying up, that's when prices skyrocket again, because they understand that this is
43:18when things are going to try up. And this I got to get my guy now because I didn't buy into this
43:25tier and you can get more value. This is why I think knowing tears and understanding pocket values are just so important
43:31in auctions because you can really extract value by knowing when it's the middle of that tier and you don't have like
43:38such strong player takes that you need to absolutely get this guy because there is variance in fantasy football.
43:44And you can sit there and say, I'm going to wait one or two guys in this tier.
43:49Okay. I know that this guy's off the board.
43:52This guy's off the board. Maybe now's the time to pounce.
43:55We'll see what the price tag looks like. And then once that tier is done towards the end, that's when the prices
44:01start to skyrocket a little bit more. Is that something like a phenomenon that you've witnessed as well?
44:07Yes, absolutely. I call it the boomerang effect. It's the same thing.
44:10You're definitely hitting the nail on the head there.
44:13And the wild card factor there is just the nomination order because a lot of times somebody will nominate somebody who's in the middle of a tier.
44:21And it's hard because people really find comfort and they don't realize it, but they find comfort in that market setting within the tier.
44:28So if a player goes for 27 in this tier and they think, well, that's the top player in the tier.
44:34Everybody's going to go below that until they get nervous and then it's going to spike.
44:39Yeah. But they find comfort in that. And again, that's another thing about playing people.
44:44Find out what makes people comfortable and uncomfortable. By the way, you always want people to feel uncomfortable when you're in the game.
44:50Sorry. No, it's true. I'm just like, I'm just thinking about myself and literally three or four weeks from now drafting with you.
44:57And not only are we going to be approaching these drafts probably similarly, but you're just going to have this look on your face.
45:04Like, I want you to feel pain right now.
45:07I'm just, I want you to feel bad. Do you feel bad yet?
45:11But yeah, when people are comfortable with like, hey, this is the number, then they're going to slot those guys in behind it.
45:18Yeah. And, and you need to make sure you get one of those slotted guys before everyone goes and then starts going crazy.
45:25Exactly. Exactly. All right. I want to move on from auctions.
45:28I want to talk about the legal side of things that you do, because this is also a big differentiator for you
45:34and what you can provide to the fantasy space.
45:37Um, you know, you do awesome threads all the time on different legal situations because unfortunately the way the NFL is, there
45:44are a lot of off the field incidents that go on that we have to figure out from a fantasy football perspective and it sucks and it's unfortunate.
45:52And I want to caveat with that first and foremost, that we even have to go down this path and talk about the legality side of things.
46:00We do have to be fantasy analysts and we do have to understand the implications of what these things are.
46:06So there's two players in particular that are going through it right now from an off the field perspective where, you know,
46:12you look at their ADP, especially in best ball right now, it fluctuates and it has been fluctuating for the last couple of months.
46:20So the first one that I want you to dig into and explain where we're at is with Rasheed Rice.
46:26Yeah, boy, this is a super complicated one, but let me try to break it down as simply as I can, because
46:32I think right now we're in a different spot than we were because he's out of jail and we haven't heard anything from the NFL.
46:40Now that doesn't mean we're not going to hear something from the NFL, but the original thing that I think confused people
46:46with this case and what, with the development in the case of him going to jail, missing OTAs while he's, you know,
46:53recovering from an injury, all that mess. The thing that was difficult for me to parse at the beginning was that he
46:59got 30 days and initially I thought, Hey, he, he violated his probation.
47:03He's got 30 days from the probation violation and technically yes.
47:06But what happened was he was ordered to do 30 days in jail as part of his deferred adjudication from the original plea.
47:13And that 30 days was, you know, I have the sentencing entry posted on one of my threads, which says that that
47:2030 days was to be served TBD. Now that's great for Rice because it's obviously part of the deal that his team
47:26worked out that he could just kind of do that 30 days whenever he wanted over the next five years.
47:32He hadn't done it yet. Who wants to sign up to do it immediately?
47:36Right. I got five years. I'll do that later.
47:39So, so basically he's got these conditions and I've read the probation conditions and the, and the conditions, one of them was
47:45that you can't have illegal substances in your system.
47:48Actually, he's not supposed to be drinking or buying alcohol either, but he's not allowed to have illegal substances because I kind
47:55of heard that argument about, well, weed, blah, blah.
47:57And I'm like, first of all, he's not allowed to have alcohol.
48:01That's illegal everywhere. And number two, weed is not legal in Texas.
48:04So where this case is, it's not legal. So I'm sorry, but that's one of your conditions.
48:10And so what ended up happening was I said, now what, but why is he getting this 30 days now?
48:15And then I said, oh, I know he walked in there on this violation because the person said, Hey, he dropped dirty.
48:22They have a hearing in front of the judge and the judge says, okay, I'm not giving you 30 more days, but this is your wake up call.
48:30You're going to do your 30 now because you violated probation and I'm not taking away your probation or your deferred adjudication,
48:37but you're going to go do this now. And this is your wake up call that I'm not messing around.
48:43And so this was confirmed to be accurate. And I'm glad that I parsed it correctly because there was a lot of
48:49moving parts there that I was just like, a lot of this just isn't adding up perfectly, but he ends up going to jail because of the violation.
48:58But the reason I say all that is not to hear myself talk and sound smart.
49:02The reason I say all that is because this is part of the original plea that he was already punished for by the NFL.
49:10And so I think that's super important when it comes to whether or not he's going to miss time this year, because
49:16I don't know that the NFL is going to care about a weed violation of the probation.
49:21And it's not because it's not important to them that he violated probation.
49:25It's just that it's already part of what he's been punished for.
49:29And I think his team and the NFL PA would argue very strongly that this is not something that you can give him additional punishment for.
49:36And then so what it comes down to is, and let me just say I'm breaking this right now on JJ's show
49:43because this has only been available to the Patreon so far.
49:46But I think that with Rice, I feel more comfortable with him in mid to late August by saying we're taking 120 day bet on him.
49:54We don't have to worry. Now we're talking redraft, obviously.
49:57Dynasty, he's still toxic in my mind. Right. But you're only taking 120 day bet.
50:01And the couple of times that Rice has gotten in trouble has been in the offseason when the guy's got nothing to do.
50:08If he makes it through training camp and he makes it to the season, I think it's okay to make 120 day
50:15bet because I think he's going to stay busy and I think he's going to stay out of trouble during the season.
50:21And I don't think he's getting a new suspension.
50:24So I think it's okay to make a bet on Rice when we get to middle or late August.
50:29Right now, I'm still pretty nervous about it. Yeah, I mean, it seems like the like, especially from like a Dynasty perspective,
50:36like the thing that he did, right? Smoking weed is not the thing that people should, you know, in my opinion, really
50:43care about because people are doing that everywhere all the time, every day.
50:46It's it's the idea that he was on probation and he knew that he shouldn't and couldn't do that thing.
50:52And he did that thing. Right. It's just a decision making thing.
50:56Right. And so that's on top of the other decision making things that have gone south for him.
51:01And so that's the scary part about him long term.
51:04But to your point, if there's no suspension based on how you read this and confirm this and the fact that this
51:11was the delayed 30 days just happening now instead of later.
51:14And then on top of that, like, do you think that the way the NFL has sort of approached marijuana could could
51:21also play a role in this, how they've become more lax and just it's not as big of it?
51:26Like, it's not like it was like a different type of drug that they might have been a little bit harder on.
51:33Yeah, absolutely. It's it's part of it because the NFL has changed the substances of abuse policy that raises the level of
51:39marijuana you're allowed to have in your system and how much they care about it after each offense.
51:45And so I think that absolutely plays into it.
51:47If he's caught with something different in the system, I think we're having a different conversation.
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52:55Josh Jacobs. This one, I can't wrap my head around at all because obviously he was like in jail, then he's out
53:02of jail, but yet it's not closed. Like it seems like an investigation is still ongoing.
53:07Where are we at with Jacobs? The weird thing with Jacobs is this particular jurisdiction, and I think that this might be
53:13Wisconsin in general, but they have a statute on the books that's what's called a mandatory arrest policy.
53:19And that's pretty normal for most jurisdictions, but they handle it differently, and theirs is more draconian than other jurisdictions that I've practiced in.
53:26Because where I'm from, the mandatory arrest policy is really for the time of the incident.
53:30It's really to separate the parties. It says you must arrest somebody in a domestic incident because you want the parties separated.
53:37While tensions are high, that's when things happen. That's when bad things happen.
53:41That's when homicides happen. And so you want to separate these parties.
53:44And so a lot of times there's a mandatory arrest policy at the time of the incident.
53:49In this particular case, they arrested him days later, but their policy says within 28 days, which is crazy to me, they've got to have an arrest.
53:57And they determined that it was Jacobs that needed to be arrested.
54:01So he gets arrested, and then he gets released because they declined to file charges right away.
54:06Now, I think he would have been released anyway, but the point is, it was confusing for a lot of people.
54:12Like, why is he in jail and there's no charges?
54:15Well, that's why. Because of the mandatory arrest policy.
54:18Now, they're saying, hey, we're not necessarily ready to make a decision yet.
54:22That's also somewhat normal in these cases. And it's normal with celebrities specifically, because they want to make sure they're really buttoned
54:28up and they know what they're doing here. So they're taking some time.
54:32Now, I operate under the assumption that when I don't know something about a case, there are unknowable variables in the background that we can't speculate on.
54:40But I will say that when it takes this long, generally they do not have it.
54:45Okay? They don't have what they want. And I think that part of it is that Jacob's team was pushing really hard.
54:52Like, we've got some information here that says that he's going to be, you know, we've got exculpatory information.
54:57You have to pay attention to X, Y, and Z.
55:00I think they're behind the scenes really lobbying the state.
55:03Like, look at this information we have before you decide to do something.
55:07And I think it's making the state think to themselves, should we do this?
55:11Now, the major problem I have with all of this is that I've been in so many of these domestic violence cases.
55:18That is one of my, between DUIs and domestic violence, those are my two most common cases.
55:23Domestic violence, there's so many different components to it.
55:25But one of them that I have learned is that if another person calls the police, things are pretty bad in that situation.
55:32And that's what happened here. I believe a neighbor called the police because they heard stuff was happening next door.
55:38I believe there's a recording of it. And I'm not sure we know exactly.
55:42I'm not sure that we hear the exact. But the point being, you know it's a fairly serious situation when a neighbor
55:49has to call the police and when there's enough ruckus.
55:52And that's bad. That's real bad. And we don't know.
55:55The problem is, and I have to be real careful here.
55:58The problem is, there may be something awful that happened.
56:01And there may be something that happened behind closed doors that only two people know about.
56:06And that's Jacobs and the other person. And there could be.
56:09I don't know that. And again, I'm trying to avoid a slander lawsuit.
56:13But there may be something that happened behind closed doors.
56:16And it seems like things were bad enough that police need to get involved.
56:20Something probably happened. But whether they can prove that and whether the victim is still interested in going forward at this point,
56:27I'm doubtful on both of those because of the length of time they're taking to charge this case.
56:32And two things come from that. One is that I think that either they don't file and then Jacobs is fine for the season.
56:39Or if they do file, I think we're getting so close to the season, Jacobs' team is going to push it off into next year.
56:46Or I'm operating under the assumption Jacobs is going to play a full season for the Packers this year.
56:52Yeah. And it seems like right now, when this stuff was not even in our imagination, you know, he was in best
56:59ball, late second round pick, early third round pick.
57:01And now he's fallen at times to the fifth over on DraftKings.
57:05And so, yeah, it could be an opportunity from a strictly a fan.
57:09Look, again, I have to reiterate, it's admittedly incredibly gross that, you know, you have to go in one sense, like one
57:15of these things is way more important than the other.
57:18I totally understand that. But I also have to, you know, do my job and talk about what this means from an implication standpoint for fantasy football.
57:26And it does seem like if that's the case, then Jacobs is someone that you could hypothetically be targeting right now.
57:33All right. I do need. Yeah, you are. Okay.
57:35There you go. You got the lawyer targeting him right now.
57:38I am. Yeah. Okay. I want to get at least some player takes from you before I let you go.
57:44So give me some players that one at each position that you are targeting this year here in 2026.
57:50The first one is Trevor Lawrence. He's QB 11 right now.
57:53And I looked at some of his numbers from the end of last year.
57:58Now, I realize that a lot of people are saying, well, he had a really easy schedule that set up well for him down the stretch.
58:05But, you know, post by they did play the Texans.
58:08They played the Broncos. And by the way, they lit up the Broncos for 34 points.
58:13Lawrence was awesome in that game. I think he had 279 and three passing with one rushing and like maybe 50 rushing yards.
58:20He was awesome in that game. And to borrow a phrase from Rich Rebar, you want to see offenses that are able
58:26to punch up, that are able to go at defenses like that.
58:30They struggled a little bit against the Texans. But post by Lawrence really seemed to lock into the offense.
58:36And I think that that's underrated because I'll never forget a quote from Bruce Arians who said when he got Carson Palmer,
58:42he said, you can't judge a quarterback on your system until they've got at least eight games of real action to get them into the system.
58:50And post by last year, Lawrence was awesome. He was the QB2 in a lot of formats, you know, at least top three.
58:57His EPA was fourth in the league. He was fifth in completion percentage over expectation.
59:01The Jags offense in general was sixth in dropback EPA.
59:04And this is with a pretty mediocre running game.
59:07They really weren't running the ball very well. He played extremely well.
59:10And I think one of the things that he picked up in his fantasy game over the second half of the year was his rushing.
59:18Exactly. Because he averaged 16 rushing yards a game prior to his buy.
59:22After the buy, he was only below 16 yards one time the entire second half of the year.
59:27So the rushing, I hope the rushing production is still there.
59:30I hope that's a product of him learning the system better and knowing when to take off with the ball.
59:36And maybe that's a Cohen thing. Maybe it's not.
59:39I don't know. I hope it is. Yeah. I mean, the thing, not to interrupt, but like the thing with Cohen that's
59:45really interesting with that is that Baker Mayfield had his best rushing season with Liam Cohen.
59:50You know, like I do think that there is a little bit of a tie to Liam Cohen to allowing his quarterback
59:57to escape the pocket and generate those fantasy points via rushing.
60:00Yeah. And I know it's a small sample size, so I don't want to put too much into it.
60:06But I do think there's something to say about pre-buy.
60:09There is a really stark difference in rushing yards there.
60:11Yeah. And then the last thing I'll say about him is just that all the extra time, they traded for Jacoby Myers near the end of the year.
60:20All the extra time with Myers and with Cohen's system and Myers getting to learn the system and all the pieces fitting
60:26together better after a full offseason together, I think wheels up.
60:30And QB 11 seems a little bit odd to me.
60:33I don't know why he's going so well. I spoiler alert, but he's a player to target in the draft guide this year.
60:39So I'm totally with you. Me and you are going to butt heads.
60:43I can tell. So just make sure you bid five when I say four.
60:47Yeah. So at running back, the guy I'm looking at is Kyron Williams.
60:51You know, I just can't stop talking about Kyron Williams.
60:54And I realize that it's fun for everyone to be in on Blake Corham.
60:58I get it. But let me pull this out for you that this is from our buddy Dwayne McFarlane over at Fantasy Life.
61:05I love his utilization tool. I don't know if you've used it before.
61:09But he's RB 15 right now at ADP. He's never finished that low in his fantasy career since his breakout.
61:15He's never had a fantasy season that low. I think the most interesting thing is when they started to use Blake Corham
61:22last year, we saw his numbers right about 15.8 points per game when they started to use Blake Corham.
61:27And before they used Blake Corham, he was about 15.7 points per game.
61:31So they really focused on getting Corham involved. And yet Kyron's fantasy production didn't really take that much of a hit.
61:37And it's one of those things where I know that it's hard to get your mind around this.
61:43But when you're watching on Sunday, it was really just a rotation.
61:46It was just this is your series. This is your series.
61:50And there's going to be some luck involved there about who gets the goal line carries.
61:54But what's not luck involved is what I pulled from Dwayne's numbers.
61:58And that is that he played 95% of the two-minute snaps.
62:01He played 72% of the long down and distance snaps.
62:04And he played 73% of the short down and distance snaps.
62:07He still managed 59% of the carries inside the five-yard line.
62:11So all of those things tell me Sean McVay trusts him.
62:14They're going to continue to use him. And even when Blake Corham is involved, I still think Kyron Williams is a value at RB50.
62:21Yeah. How about your wide receiver? My wide receiver is Jalen Waddell.
62:25We already talked about him. He's at wide receiver 24 right now.
62:28I think it's weird that – let me just say in general.
62:32I think it's odd that all Jacksonville wide receivers are 33 or worse.
62:36Somebody's going to break out of that. Sure. That's my honorable mention.
62:39Waddell at 24. Let me just say this. He's had two seasons in his career where he's had over 104 targets.
62:45And he finished as the wide receiver 12 in one season and the wide receiver 14 in the other.
62:51Those are PPR points per game. He got 117 targets in 2022.
62:55At 142, his rookie year, he caught 104 balls.
62:57And he had 1,300 yards in the year that he got 117 targets.
63:01That offense that he played in in Miami had a couple problems.
63:05Number one, they wanted to get the ball to Tyreek Hill.
63:08And that's what the offense was designed for. And admittedly, that's the right strategy.
63:12But also, number two, is we saw the fall off in Tua Tagovailoa's play.
63:16And Tua was a different quarterback when he was throwing the ball in those first couple of years to Jalen Waddell.
63:23He just fell off a cliff and the offense got noticeably stale and Waddell with it.
63:27And he had a downward trend with it. So I think you're going to an offensive system that is very strong with Sean Payton.
63:34He's got a strong-armed quarterback. He's got an excellent receiver playing opposite him.
63:38And I think Waddell's going to be the focus there.
63:41So I think wide receiver 24 feels like a value right now.
63:45Yeah, I love Waddell. He checks so many historical trends boxes for me at that ADP.
63:50There's just so much to like. We're going to be fighting over him too.
63:54All right, give me your tight end. Hopefully we won't be fighting.
63:57We should have done this in early August, man.
64:00Yeah, right, right. My tight end, Sam Laporta right now, although I'm not loving the steam.
64:05I'm a little surprised because he was cheaper about a month ago.
64:08Right now he's at tight end eight in ADP.
64:11But I'm comfortable with this because there's two guys that I'm looking at that I like at tight end.
64:17But I like Laporta a lot better. And the other guy is Travis Kelsey.
64:21Kelsey's going 10th overall in ADP. And I will say that last year, Kelsey finished 8th in PPR points per game.
64:27He finished 3rd overall. That's a little bit of a weird discrepancy there.
64:31He was 2nd in routes run, 4th in targets, 6th in receptions, 4th in receiving yards.
64:36But I don't love the upside with Kelsey anymore because I do think that that part of his game is capped.
64:42Right. And so I don't consider him as interesting of a value as I do Sam Laporta because we know what his
64:48upside is and he's still a young player. We don't like messing around with back injuries.
64:53I get that. And I get that it could backfire.
64:56And this is a little bit more of an auction play than a snake play because I think he can get Laporta cheaper.
65:03But at tight end eight, if you look at his historical finishes, of course we know he finished tight end one as a rookie.
65:10But then he finished tight end nine in PPR points per game the following year.
65:15And last year before he was hurt, he was tight end eight in points per game.
65:19So I think you're drafting him as four right now and we know what his upside is.
65:24Yeah. I mean, he's also one. I've gotten him in best ball at times just because of a week 17 stack too
65:31because they get they get Chicago, which is nice.
65:34But yeah, I like that call from a from an auction standpoint basically plays into to bring it all back plays into
65:40what we were talking about with those middle round tight ends and quarterbacks.
65:44So. All right. I got one more question before I let you go.
65:48Yep. Give me your bold take your hot take for this 2026 season.
65:52My hot take is that. So I just debated how hot to go here.
65:56So I went right in the middle. I my hot take is that AJ Brown has overall wide receiver one upside.
66:02Ooh. And I was prepared to hate AJ Brown going into this fantasy season.
66:06I really was because I watched last year a guy that I felt like looked like he was falling off a cliff.
66:13These big bodied receivers when they get older, they break down quicker and the end comes faster.
66:18And I thought that's what we were seeing last year.
66:21But I'm turning off my brain a little bit for that because I do think motivation was such a huge problem for Brown last year.
66:28I think the relationship between him and Hurts had deteriorated.
66:31He was upset with the play calling. He was upset with everything that was going on in Philadelphia last year.
66:37And I think some of what we saw could be effort based.
66:41And so I think I kind of felt the same way about Saquon Barkley.
66:45Like is this dude just had too many injuries and he's you know, he's just not going to be the guy we thought he was going to be.
66:53And then he goes to Philly and he's electric.
66:56And I think the same thing could happen here with the Patriots.
66:59And I was I was talking about how much they love to throw the ball the other day.
67:05And that's I looked up a couple of things.
67:07And one thing I like is, first of all, they were plus three point two percent in pass rate over expected over the full year.
67:15They were 12th in neutral pass rate as well.
67:18But the thing I love the most, the the the stat that I love the most about the Patriots offense was when
67:24they were facing a second and eight or greater.
67:27They were a plus twelve point nine percent pass rate over expected.
67:30That is a monster number. And that I love that because that tells me the play caller is not an idiot.
67:37Yeah, because I can't stand running the guy into the line.
67:40He gets nothing. And on second and 10, you're like, let's do it again.
67:44Yeah. Like we have seen study after study that shows that that second and long run is just a negative EV play.
67:51Yeah. And so that twelve point nine percent is massive.
67:53I think I think the Patriots offense in general could be a firecracker.
67:57And I think A.J. Brown has that possibility. Now, maybe he's the washed guy I saw at the end of last year.
68:04But I think a lot of times motivation comes when we we don't expect to see that because we think what we
68:10saw was, hey, this guy's falling apart. And really, you just need a motivation and a new lease on life and a
68:17new place with a really good quarterback. Yeah, I bought more and more into A.J.
68:21Brown. You know, I bought into him before the trade happened because from a best ball perspective, just because you knew that the ADP was going to rise.
68:30And then the ADP rose. And I'm like, wow, this seems kind of insane.
68:34But the more that I've thought about it, you know, he's he's he's the more I think it's a stable place where he is.
68:41Like, it makes sense as to as to where he's going at this point.
68:45He loves his coach, too. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a difference.
68:48He's got to be. Yeah. Love it. Drew, this was great.
68:52Thank you so much for hopping on and chatting.
68:54Let everyone know where they can find you and where they can find those awesome threads that you're putting out there on X.
69:01Yeah. Thank you so much for having me, man.
69:04This is fun doing a little home and home.
69:07I think you're coming on next week. So this is this is really fun.
69:11I enjoy talking to you. Thank you for having me.
69:14You can find me on Twitter at Drew Davenport FF.
69:17You can find my show, the auction brief anywhere you find podcasts.
69:20My writing's over at Football Guys. And if you want some extra behind the scenes stuff with legal stuff and with the
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69:30That's the Fantasy Football Lawyer. Yes. Can't recommend Drew enough.
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69:50I appreciate that. Yeah. And so, yeah, that'll be out a week from from Friday.
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