0:00Big show for you here today. It is the wide receiver position preview.
0:04Yes, that is right. It is time. This is where I'm the most comfortable.
0:08Okay, we are in my wheelhouse and we've got Ray Garvin in the house to do it with us man.
0:14Reception perception meets the Trinity. Okay, we're gonna get your wide receiver picks right this year.
0:19We've got sleepers got red light yellow light players.
0:21We've got green light guys, the ones we really want to draft this year.
0:25The position is loaded. So we got to get these picks right.
0:29All right, all that and more coming up on today's show.
0:32Let's get into it. What's going on everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:35Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast and it is a hell of a day to talk ball.
0:41If you can't tell, I got a little pep in my step today because we are in a very comfortable little sandbox here for me to be in.
0:49And if you can't tell from the voice laughing along in the background, a very comfortable sandbox for him to be playing in as well.
0:56It is our guy Ray Garvin. Ray, we've got the wide receiver preview here.
1:00So reception, perception, perception meets Trinity. We're gonna ride today, my friend.
1:04How you doing? Good. I mean, I feel like we already had a full-blown podcast behind the scenes just talking about different receiver art.
1:11We're talking about 27 class Harmon, receiver art types, all kinds of stuff in the last six minutes of our pre-show.
1:17But excited to be back another week. And I mean, it's just gonna be a good show.
1:22Something, a position that you are incredibly passionate about, as am I.
1:26And then we get to just talk about that and how it relates to people and their drafts.
1:31Like, what better show, man? Excited to be here.
1:34No doubt. There's definitely some, you know, dynasty freaks and geeks who would have loved the AD Mitchell would have been the
1:40best receiver 15 years ago discussion that we had in the pre-show.
1:44I don't think we'll be talking too much about AD Mitchell, but I can promise you we are going to get into
1:50a real sicko section for the very final segment of the show.
1:54But we've got a ton of great things coming your way here today on the wide receiver position preview as positional preview
2:00week continues here on the Yahoo fantasy forecast. We're going to start off with a big picture view of the wide receiver
2:07position this year strategy, how to approach it in your drafts.
2:10Then we're going to do as we did yesterday with Scott Pianowski for quarterbacks, green light players at ADP, yellow and red
2:17light players at ADP sleepers, and then a draft day blueprint segment that comes right from my big fat draft day.
2:23Blueprint piece that's coming out later this week. I'm going to get a little sneak preview.
2:28We're going to hit a preview section of that every single week here on the show.
2:32But as mentioned, let's start at the top here, Ray, an overall state of the state of the wide receiver position, our best draft strategies for the year.
2:41I'll throw it to you this way. I think every time I write the wide receiver position preview, you know, going into
2:47any given season here for Yahoo, I pretty much am able to say we are in the golden age of wide receiver play in the NFL right now.
2:55It gets better and better every single year because there's a new great draft class coming in.
3:00And even if the rookie class this year maybe isn't quite as, you know, the names aren't quite as sexy, maybe as
3:07some of the past classes we've had here. Still, I feel like the depth, the quality at this position is better than ever.
3:14So number one, do you agree with that? And number two, how does that kind of then approach your draft strategy here as we head into 2026?
3:22Yeah, I think you nailed it. We are in a golden age of receiver.
3:26And I think we are also in this golden age of identifying good offensive situations.
3:30So even when you're looking at this top 10 wide receiver list, I think even inside of this, Matt, we start to
3:37tear it out and sort it by like ceiling, right?
3:40I'm looking at Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Dallas, these teams where their quarterbacks have the potential to throw for 4,500 yards, 40 touchdowns.
3:46Just makes the floor of some of these guys so incredibly safe.
3:50Yet the ceiling, it honestly could win you a league.
3:53You've got Puka Nakua doing 220 and 2 in the postseason, your week 16, 17.
3:57It's a really cool time to be invested in this position.
4:00So 100% agree with you, Matt. Yeah. And a couple of the points that you made there are really part of why
4:07I think in addition to just I think I believe that the talent at this position is just unparalleled right now.
4:13And that goes all the way down to, you know, youth sports like these guys are doing seven on seven.
4:19I don't know, since they're in freaking diapers, you know, like they're running routes when they're like they've been a guy goes into the NFL draft.
4:27They've got, you know, right now, those kids, those boys are running routes for like, let's say, you know, I don't know
4:33where your kids are, you know, from like a developmental standpoint, you know, in terms of are you thinking about they're going to play football long term.
4:41But let's just say Ray Garvin's boys head into the NFL, you know, in however many years from now, they will have
4:48thousands and thousands and thousands of routes logged mentally, physically, the whole deal.
4:52So that's a big part of why wide receivers are better than ever.
4:55But also you mentioned the ecosystems and the coaching and what that does for these guys as well.
5:01You know, our draft day blueprint segment is about ecosystems and some of the new play callers coming off of the trees,
5:07you know, that are proliferating around the NFL right now.
5:10But we know who the inner circle guys are.
5:13You know, it's the Kyle Shanahan's. It's the Sean McVeigh's.
5:16It's the Ben Johnson's. Now Liam Cohen, these newer guys as well.
5:19They are just opening up more and more roles at the position, Ray, to find these guys and find the right deployment.
5:26A player like Puka Nakua would never have existed in the NFL 15, 20 years ago because the way that he plays
5:32the position, the way that he is lined up.
5:35I'll even take it a step further. A guy like Cooper Cup, who was the triple crown player in the NFL.
5:41I remember early on in his career writing for Reception Perception being like, this role that he's playing right now truly did not exist in the NFL.
5:49When I started charting receivers, he came into the NFL in 2017.
5:53I started charting receivers league-wide data 2013, 2014. That's not that long.
5:56Like there's been a real shift and an evolution because these play callers creating new archetypes within archetypes to allow different guys
6:03to not just be good, but a player like Puka Nakua, a player like Amon Ross St.
6:08Brown, who are the consensus number two and three ranked player at the position here on Yahoo this season.
6:14These guys, they're the best in the league. They're not just good players.
6:17They're some of the best players in the league, some of the most productive players in the league right now.
6:23So that's a big reason why we see the receiver position in this golden age too.
6:28And to that point, Ray, and this is where I think we can start talking draft strategy.
6:33Despite the fact that there's more receivers that are good than ever, it has also highlighted the difference between good and great.
6:40And that's why it's still important to come away.
6:42In my opinion, you tell me if you disagree, it's still important to come away with a great receiver at some point in your drafts here.
6:50There's a huge difference, right? Even again, I'm looking at this top 10.
6:54I think all these guys can be good, but I do think there are some levels inside of here where as good
7:00as I think, and I'm just using this for an example, A.J.
7:04Brown can be this season in New England with Drake May.
7:07It can feel like a resurgence from early Philadelphia where he had back-to-back 1,400-yard seasons.
7:12When I'm looking at Puka and Jamar, if they only give me 1,400 yards, I'm kind of like, hey, I expected a little bit more, right?
7:19And I know when you say that, you're like, dude, that's nothing to sniff at.
7:24But yeah, Chase and Puka Nakua. I mean, we've seen CeeDee Lamb have an 1,800-yard season in the NFL.
7:29And again, if you could come away with one of those guys, whether it's from the obvious list of names, or if
7:36you've got something where you're like, I think the next one up to get inside of that tier or push for that,
7:42because let's not act like everybody saw Offensive Player of the Year Jackson Smith and Jigba coming.
7:47If we did, he wouldn't have been drafted right next to Marvin Harrison Jr.
7:51last year. So if there's some strong signal, some conviction that you're like, I think it's going to be this guy that
7:58has the chance to get into that upper echelon of score, there is a difference between having that receiver on your team versus a really good one.
8:06And there's a reason, you know, you bring up the name Jackson Smith and Jigba, that he was a guy that was discussed so much this offseason.
8:14You know, it's like, who's going to be the next version of that?
8:18Because he, I think, really exemplifies how this position has changed.
8:21And both from, he doesn't look like the typical number one receiver from, you know, 10 to 15 years ago when it
8:28was these big hulking X receivers, you know, Julio Jones and AJ Green and these guys when they were the elite number ones.
8:34JSN's a different version of that because he came from being like a slot only, you know, route runner type.
8:40And I had a lot of confidence in him being able to win on the outside because he's been one of the
8:47best man coverage beaters I've charted over the last, you know, a few years even dating back to his draft class.
8:53So he was definitely in one segment there, kind of the guy that could be a multiple position player, the whole deal like that.
9:00But again, I mentioned he was a slot based player previously.
9:03Obviously, that slot based player is kind of going away right now.
9:07This was something that we saw last season. And, you know, I had a lot of conversations with like JJ Zacharyson about
9:13this in the offseason where the wide receiver two scoring across fantasy football was really flat last year.
9:19You know, it was just there. That guy didn't really exist in the same way as those.
9:24Those were the most disappointing players in fantasy last year, kind of the wide receiver twos and beyond, which makes sense intuitively
9:30if there's a ton of quality players in the position and we're seeing such an influx of heavy personnel, which again is very instructive to the JSN breakout.
9:39It's not just that we're seeing those targets kind of disappear and the route percentage disappear.
9:43And I'm curious if you found this in the Trinity at all, like the route participation for those wide receiver twos disappear.
9:50It's when the tight ends come on the field, the more heavier bison on the field, the guys that still get the
9:56targets are those downfield number one receivers. So there can be an even more intense consolidation for the number one player, which
10:03is why when we're looking at like the wide receiver ones in fantasy, there is still a difference between those guys and
10:09then the next buckets, which is why as much as I want to be strong at running back this year, I also
10:16don't want to not have a guy that I think has a wide receiver one outlook as well.
10:21I mean, I just remember watching. It was the game where Puka had 225.
10:25And I vividly remember them in offensive sets because I think Adams was hurt.
10:29If I'm not mistaken, Adams missed that game. And it was Puka and a bunch of other guys, right?
10:35So it was just ISO Puka, right? They're in three tight end sets and there's one receiver on the field.
10:41One. And it was Puka Nakua. And defenses get cute, right?
10:44Oh, you want to bring that in? We can one-on-one him.
10:47We'll just have a safety kind of watching what's going on.
10:51But McVay is so good. One split second of that safety taking his eyes off of that player.
10:56And it was Puka Nakua down the sideline. And it felt like it was over and over again.
11:01So, yeah, being able to identify the one. This is why, selfishly, Matt, I don't want to see Dallas go heavier.
11:08I need Pickens and Lamb on the field at the same time because, hell, I don't know who it would be.
11:14It would probably be a flip-flop. One series, it's CD.
11:17Another series, it's Pickens. No, I need both of them on the field at the same time.
11:22But this is why identifying that caliber of receiver is a little bit different than finding a strong number two or a
11:28number one that can be pulled off of the field.
11:31There are levels to it. And I think this is what makes this type of conversation so incredibly fun, especially this early part of the draft strategy season.
11:40Yeah, there's no question. And I think when we look at these guys that are among the top ten, shoot top 12
11:46of the position, which is, as we're showing on the screen, our top ten consensus-ranked players here at Yahoo.
11:52It's Jamar Chase, Puka Nakua, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jackson Smith-Njigba, CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Drake London, Nico Collins, George Pickens, A.J.
11:58Brown, and then Devontae Smith and T. Higgins round out the top 12.
12:02For me, I think my second tier of receivers goes into wide receiver 15.
12:06So there's just a huge – and all those guys are really attractive targets.
12:10It just kind of depends sort of on where you're selecting in the draft and everything like that.
12:15Those are guys that are never leaving the field.
12:18All the players that, to me, I have ranked in the top 15 are guys that are just never going to leave
12:24the field, even if there are heavy personnel packages and everything.
12:28That is more so the discussion that we'll have as we start to get into tier three, tier four, like trying to
12:34pick the right guys who are our green light players in those sections of the draft.
12:39So with that, we are going to take our first quick break.
12:43When we come back, we'll start to look at some of those green light players as we get further and further down the board.
12:50We will get into that right after this. All right, so I rattled off the top 12 players at the position on
12:56the other side of the break here, Ray. And you made a little bit of a face when I said I think
13:03tier two goes all the way down to wide receiver 15.
13:06Can we on the screen call up the – let's call it wide receiver 11 to whatever it is kind of group here.
13:13You tell me where you think it cuts off here.
13:16If we're looking at – I read off the top 10 at the position and then 11 and 12 is Devontae Smith.
13:22I think guys like Malik Neighbors and Chris Olave – now I have Zay Flowers ranked ahead of Rasheed Rice.
13:28But I kind of think that – and I have another guy that we'll talk about.
13:33Jalen Waddell here is my wide receiver 12 this season because I don't have A.J.
13:37Brown in my top 12 receivers this year when we get into the red flag players.
13:42So for me, where do you think the cutoff is kind of in that second tier?
13:47I think we can all agree the first tier, we know who those players are.
13:51But where do you think it kind of drops off at when we're no longer in clear wide receiver one range?
13:57Okay, well, I can't say 20, but I am much higher on Ted Arola McMillan this year.
14:02Like, I would put him personally inside of my top 15.
14:06I'm going to be totally honest with you, Matt.
14:08No Bryce Young concerns for you? Like, you're waving those in?
14:12I've got significant Bryce Young concerns. I just don't have any concern about him being the primary target earner in Carolina.
14:18So while the pizza is small, I'm just anticipating that McMillan gets a huge slice of the pie.
14:23Not saying it's going to be the most efficient or pretty thing, but I do believe I've got him projected for another
14:3030 targets than what we have him for over here at Yahoo.
14:33So if you're going to tell me this is a player, Matt, that's, let's just say, pushing for the 140 to 155
14:40target range, historically those are 1,200, 1,300, 1,400-yard type players.
14:43And I just, I truly feel and believe in looking at the usage that he's in line to get something of that nature.
14:49But the list in general, I'm with you. A.J.
14:52Brown, not that high, so he would actually fall back.
14:55But I can make a case for Emekic Buka.
14:58I can make a case for Lad McConkie taking that step forward.
15:01I actually wrote about him being one of the players to take a step up.
15:06I think this tier two is just awesome. It is an awesome group of receivers that can give you wide receiver one
15:12top 10 upside weeks any given week that you play.
15:15And that, I think, is where we can start our green light segment here, because two of the guys for me that
15:22are clear green light players in that range of the draft that you're talking about there are Emeka Ibuka and Lad McConkie.
15:28And honestly, I've had a tough time picking between those guys.
15:31And they go in pretty similar range from an ADP perspective.
15:35And when you look at my overall rankings, I am very much in on those players.
15:39In one way where I kind of want to make sure, and again, as I've talked about, your different position strategies will affect how you attack other positions.
15:48And for me, because I am really wanting you guys to not fall behind at running back, and yet I also want
15:54you to be able to pick one strong wide receiver, and then also hit at least one of these players in the
16:01fourth round range, I just really am not taking early quarterbacks and really not taking the vanity tight ends.
16:06But we will talk about those positions, or we'll talk about the tight end position later this week.
16:12So again, sticking on wide receivers, these players in the fourth and fifth round range are just so appealing at this position, specifically the fourth round.
16:19So Emeka, Ibuka, Ladd McConkie, you're looking at my overall rankings.
16:23I am ahead of the overall Yahoo ADP on both of those players.
16:26Tell me why you like Ibuka. Tell me why you like Ladd McConkie.
16:30And do you have a preference between those two guys?
16:33Preference between the two? I promise you we're going to take some hard stances on this show.
16:38But right here, if I had 10 shots at this one, I'd take five Ibukas and I'd take five Ladd McConkis.
16:44I love the pathway for both. I love the quarterback and the offensive projected environment of the Chargers.
16:50I like the role in which Ladd McConkie occupies with a coordinator that we've seen operate with two wide receivers, not similar maybe overall physical Tyreek Hill.
16:58Nobody is the cheetah. But I think he can deploy Ladd McConkie in some of the ways that made Tyreek Hill the
17:04number one overall voted player on the NFL Top 100 some years ago.
17:08I like Ibuka taking that step forward in this offense where as good as Godwin is, this is why Emeka was drafted.
17:15This is why he was drafted. They felt good enough about him.
17:18The move to not really fight to bring Mike Evans back, I don't think this was because they had Jalen McMillan or because they like Chris Godwin.
17:26No, they believe that Emeka Ibuka can take that step forward for Baker Mayfield and this offense and operate as a true number one.
17:33So I'm not going to sit on the fence every pick, but right here if I had 10 shots at this one,
17:40Matt, I'd take five Lads, five Emekas, and I think there's a clear path for both of them to be awesome this year.
17:47So I'm kind of sitting on the fence on this one too, but I'm going to put one cheek off the fence.
17:53And I will say if we're doing 10 times, like we simulate this situation 10 times, I will probably go six Ibuka, four McConkie.
18:00And I love Lad McConkie, but the tiebreaker to me, Ray, is just as simple and this can be totally stupid, is
18:07that I just think the way these two guys are built physically, I think I can trust Ibuka handling 140 targets more
18:13than Lad McConkie, who might be, you know, and I charted, and look, I love Lad.
18:18I think what he showed as a rookie was unbelievable and he pretty much lost, I would say almost 0% of that
18:24as a separator from year one to year two.
18:27He just didn't run quite as hot on contested catches and he lost some of the layup work to Keenan.
18:33I really don't care about that. Like he's an obvious statistical bounce back player, but I don't love that through two years
18:40in the NFL, you know, Lad McConkie's had to like scrape himself off the turf when he takes some of these bigger
18:46hits where I think Ibuka body type wise is set up to be a really high, high volume player.
18:52And both of these guys are getting, we all know Lad McConkie's getting the offensive ecosystem boost with Mike McDaniel coming in there.
18:58We've talked about that plenty and should continue to talk about it.
19:02Like it's a big deal. I'm with you. He can have like that pre-snap motion role that Tyreek Hill did when he
19:08was a dominant player for the Miami Dolphins. And I believe Lad is massively talented enough to do that.
19:14But I also think Emeka Ibuka getting a role flip from being the X receiver for this team last year to now
19:21being the X receiver according to offensive coordinator Zach Robinson suits his game so well.
19:25I essentially view the role that Ibuka is going to have as someone we were talking about in the pre-show chat.
19:31He's going to be a lot, used a lot like Drake London was for the Falcons previously.
19:36And because of that, I just think that target ceiling for him, getting layup targets but also vertical looks, is really, really high this year.
19:44So I like both these players. They're both green light players to me.
19:48I give a slight edge to Ibuka right now.
19:50Yeah, and I have Ibuka projected a little better than I do Lad McConkie.
19:54But even in mine, I mean, they're right there.
19:57Both of those guys have really good kind of floor cases.
20:00But I do have Ibuka two spots higher than Lad McConkie in my personal projections as well.
20:05But I like both of these guys. So one other player that you have is a green light guy.
20:11And I think this kind of goes against some of the, you know, don't chase injury situations that we preach on the show here.
20:18At least Scott and I are pretty consistently preaching.
20:21It is Malik Neighbors for you, who you wrote down as a green light player.
20:25I'm not opposed to this one, but I want you to make the case here for Malik Neighbors.
20:30Because I know some people listening will be scared to draft a guy coming off of a major injury.
20:36I too was scared. I promise you, Matt. I had it reflected this way in my personal projections.
20:41I saw the video clip of him running at the softball tournament.
20:45It looked like he could barely make it to first base.
20:48It was no good. And then I saw the practice clips.
20:51And I do care, right? I don't care about how many interceptions the quarterback throws.
20:56No, I just want to see him moving around.
20:59I want to see this. And he looked fine to me.
21:02He looked good to me. And it seems like they're managing him well.
21:06We still have four weeks until we get to the regular season.
21:09And I'm going to tell you what. Malachi Fields, Calvin Austin, Juju Smith-Schuster, Isaiah.
21:13Like, if Neighbors is 80% and on the field, he's getting targeted.
21:17More than anybody. I don't give a damn what they're saying about Isaiah Likely.
21:21If Neighbors is out there where he's being drafted.
21:24And anybody that's in this YouTube chat that watches my content knows.
21:27If there's a receiver coming off of a debilitating injury, I'm just, I'm out.
21:31No thank you. I'll let somebody else deal with it.
21:34I'll see you next year. I flipped. I've done a complete 180 with Malik Neighbors.
21:39I just, he's young enough. He's 80% of Neighbors is still an elite type wide receiver, especially if you're going to get the volume.
21:46So, I still love him where he's at, Matt.
21:49I am a little more conflicted than you. I'm definitely, he went from a guy that was just a pure red light
21:55player to me, you know, to then we get him in training camp and we see him moving pretty well.
22:01He's at least, I wouldn't even call him a yellow light player.
22:04He's just someone I can't go full green light on.
22:07He's just kind of there. Depends on the room.
22:10But I echo a lot of what you said, man.
22:13That, I mean, he looks good out there. He hasn't participated in team drills yet.
22:18I don't even know that he's done seven on seven.
22:20It's been mostly individual stuff. But that is less important here, as Ray mentioned.
22:25And it's good to remember this. We still got four weeks ago.
22:28All right. We got a long way for some of these guys to ramp themselves up.
22:33So, we do have a long way to go here before week one kicks off.
22:37But, yeah. I mean, even some of the names you mentioned there, I don't think guys like Juju Smith-Schuster, they're not even going to be on the roster.
22:46But a guy like Malachi Fields, who sounds like he is right now the leader in the clubhouse to be the second receiver.
22:52I like Malachi. I think he can be an interesting player.
22:56But he's not going to be like a walks-off-the-bus-with-eight-targets type of player.
22:59He's probably more of the on-ball, allows neighbors to move around, does more of the dirty work stuff, runs the vertical routes.
23:06And I actually think that's good news for neighbors because it's pretty amazing, Ray.
23:10I'm sure from a usage standpoint, he still was checking out pretty well for you in the first three weeks of last season.
23:17And that's despite the fact that he was running in the games I chartered for him, which is the only games he played.
23:23Like 25% or more of his routes were go routes.
23:26Like he was running the Russell Wilson offense. He was still getting a ton of volume in a very inefficient role.
23:33I just want y'all to look at his screen right now.
23:36These wonderful graphics done by our Yahoo team. Mooney, Malachi Fields, and Isaiah Likely.
23:40That don't do nothing for me, Harmon. If neighbors is on the field, this dude is so far beyond where they'll have a role.
23:47Get the hell out of the way and clear stuff out for number one.
23:51And you're right. They're running them downfield all with Russell Wilson.
23:55And he's still commanding it. I'm still having flashbacks of what he did to the Dallas Cowboys early in the season.
24:01It's scary. I get it. And here's what I'll say.
24:04The expectation early on, I'm not thinking that he's going to look exactly like Malik Mabors week one of the regular season if he's out there.
24:11Week two of the regular season if he's out there.
24:14But if he's healthy enough to be on the field and work himself into this, by the time I need him to
24:21get on the gas and go, we should be ramped up.
24:24We should feel a lot better about neighbors at that point.
24:27I think the best way to sort of end this conversation on neighbors, and I'm glad we're having an extended conversation on
24:34him because he's a really interesting player to talk about.
24:37And again, juggling the injuries and the ceiling and all that.
24:40But if you were to sit down, Ray, and do your real-life receiver rankings, not fantasy or anything, where would you place Malik Mabors?
24:47As we're talking about, oh, 80% or this or that percent of the player.
24:51Like 100% Malik Mabors fully healthy. Where would you rank him, you know, in like your real-life receiver rankings?
24:57Real-life receiver rankings, and I'm not going to try to be, I'm going to take into right now, not be prisoner of the moment.
25:04He is 100% healthy. Jamar, JSN, Puka. Jefferson? Right in that mix.
25:08He's got to be right in that mix. He's right there.
25:11I'm thinking Jefferson. I think Pickens is a top five talent.
25:14Neighbors is right there inside that big four, big top five for sure.
25:18Yeah, I think I've thought a lot about this.
25:21I would say Jamar, number one. Jefferson is still number two to me.
25:24Yeah, and then it's JSN. It's Puka. I think St.
25:27Brown. I think Nico Collins is in that conversation.
25:30And yeah, then it's Malik Mabors. So it's like five, six.
25:33You know, Drake London belongs in the conversation to me too.
25:37But it's very like we do. Unfortunately, we haven't seen Mabors fully realized, right?
25:41You know, like we just haven't seen them over the.
25:44Like we've just got a bigger body of work on guys like Nico Collins and Drake London.
25:49So it's almost not really fair. But just to put a period on the end of this sentence, this is my favorite Malik Mabors stat from reception perception.
25:57He had an 84.4% success rate versus press, which is a very small sample, obviously, last year.
26:02But it was in the games charted last year.
26:05That's a 98th percentile score. These are the following players who have been at or above that 98th percentile since I've chartered
26:11receivers from 2014 to current that have also taken fewer than 30% of their sampled snaps in the slot.
26:17So 98th percentile press beaters and don't play in the slot.
26:20A.J. Brown, Devontae Adams, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson did it three times.
26:24Odell Beckham Jr. Did it three times. And now Malik Mabors last year in a small sample.
26:29So if we can get that stretched out over a full year, yeah, that's a top five receiver in the NFL, period.
26:35Like a true tier one receiver in the league.
26:38And that's why you get him in the third round here and you maybe ignore some of those injury conversations.
26:44So yeah, pretty special career ahead of Malik Mabors here.
26:47Give me another one of your green light guys that you think is in a really good spot in ADP right now.
26:53Well, you had such a good list. Harmon, you had such a good list.
26:57So I try to go a little deeper, right?
27:00Maybe find some value for our drafters. Stephon Diggs for me.
27:03And I know that the Laramie Tunsil injury absolutely is going to impact Jaden Daniels.
27:08That sucks. Goodness gracious. Yeah. Diggs was good last year.
27:11This offense needed another pass catcher. Terry McLaurin was banged up last year.
27:14He had a down season. Diggs is still really, really good.
27:18And where you're getting him relative to, let's go down the path that Jaden Daniels picks up where he left off his
27:24rookie year and is not as, but the offense was terrible last year.
27:28It was one of the oldest offense. I think the oldest offense in the NFL last year, Cliff Kingsbury.
27:34You can say what you want about it's a different system, different environment.
27:38Year three, Jaden Daniels on a team. They were never going in with Trelon Burks as much as I love me some Burks.
27:44They weren't going in with Trelon Burks, Luke McCaffrey, and Antonio Williams as they.
27:48He's working with the threes, Harmon. He's working with the threes.
27:52He's working with first team offense as the third receiver.
27:55Listen. Listen. Not to cut you off, but I do just want on the record, I was never a Trelon Burks guy,
28:01but I'm also the guy that's here, you know, making jokes about how I'm so obsessed with Rashad Bateman that my therapist
28:08won't let me talk about Rashad Bateman. So if I can have Bateman, you can have Burks.
28:13It's fine. Okay. Thank you. It was a lot to have to say.
28:17We all got some. Come on. I still got the candle lit for Jahan Dotson, which that's the thing.
28:22Whenever I'm like, listen, I was right about Trelon Burks.
28:25I'm like, but I had him ranked behind Jahan Dotson.
28:28So it wasn't that right. Listen. I liked me some Burks coming out, but I quickly realized, hey, it wasn't going to work out in Tennessee.
28:36But the point, they weren't going in with him, Harmon.
28:39They weren't going in with Trelon as the two.
28:41But Daniels, everybody's excited. Where's Daniels going? Top 12.
28:44He is going in drafts in which quarterbacks you're using two.
28:47He's going early. People are excited about what Jaden Daniels can do in two QB super flex leagues.
28:53People are like, hey, we are back. Jaden Daniels is in play.
28:56So Stephon Diggs, a player who thousand yards the year after his ACL.
29:00It didn't take him a year to get right.
29:03He dropped right back into a new offense, a new situation, new coordinator for him.
29:07Another thousand yard seasons for Diggs. Diggs, I like him inside of this offense, playing that slot role with Jaden Daniels.
29:13Let Terry do what Terry does. Give me some Diggs later in your drafts.
29:18This is a player that I think can absolutely outkick his ADP coverage.
29:21Yeah, 115th overall ADP. I really like it. You know, I'm curious to see by the time we're doing real drafts, you
29:28know, right before week one and stuff, where does it stand there?
29:31But at the same time, the Laramie Tunsil injury, I think will actually probably keep the ADPs depressed on all these guys.
29:38But on the Laramie Tunsil injury front, Ray, one thing I thought was pretty striking going back and charting Diggs last year
29:44compared to 2024 is that it basically like the results were basically the same 2024 player in the 2025 player.
29:50And there's a freaking ACL tear in the middle of there.
29:54You know, that's really impressive for Stefan Diggs. And I also think like two weeks ago, shoot, not even two weeks ago,
30:00like a week ago, Terry McLaurin would have been in this green light players at ADP.
30:05I do not have him as a green light player anymore.
30:08Not like full red or anything like anything like that, but he's definitely somebody I'm coming down lower on because Diggs is
30:15going to command those easy button layup targets going to be harder to access the vertical stuff without Laramie Tunsil.
30:21So yeah, I agree with you that Diggs is a really good target for me.
30:25I want to go to a player that you and I talked a lot about last year.
30:30We haven't talked about recently, and that is Roma Dunzei 67th overall ADP on Yahoo right now, which to me is just
30:36way too low relative to the other bears past.
30:39Catchers obviously tough to talk about Luther burden right now because he is reportedly going to miss the rest of the month,
30:46like be shut down to a week one. We'll see how that plays out.
30:50He could get back at practice at any time.
30:52We got a long way to go. And I like Luther burden, by the way, I'm not out on Luther burden whatsoever,
30:59but I don't think it makes any sense that burden goes so much higher than Roma Dunzei.
31:04So to me, a Dunzei is a very, very clear green light player.
31:08If he's available in the sixth round as he is on Yahoo drafts, as he was in a mock draft that we
31:14did today, it's like for content, it's stupid. But every time I'm in the sixth round and he's there, I'm going to take him every single time.
31:22Ray, do you feel like he's a green light player for you this year?
31:26Yes. Yes. I tweeted it out the other day.
31:29It's like people act like this guy forgot how to play football, that his foot was hanging on by a thread.
31:35And this, I hate that we've gotten to this point where I think the narratives on social media, Twitter in particular, kind
31:42of put these two against each other. Like everyone had to make an either or decision, right?
31:47Like you have to pick one or the other.
31:50Well, first of all, Caleb Williams, MVP caliber type quarterback that we think can take a step forward year two with Ben Johnson checkmark.
31:57They got rid of DJ Moore. They got rid of Olam.
32:00Olamide Zaccheaus, who whether you like him or not, he's about to be a starting wide receiver for the Falcons.
32:06So he was always going to take some opportunity.
32:08Right. And when Odunze started the season off, Matt, those first five weeks, he was incredible.
32:13Incredible. He hurt his foot. Things went downhill. They integrate the rookies a little bit more, but they cleared out this room.
32:20No DJ Moore, no Olamide Zaccheaus. And it's like you had to, you couldn't like Rome Odunze.
32:25Like it was just sacrilegious to even say anything positive about this guy because Luther Burden was going to nuke him from all opportunity.
32:32And that was never going to be the case.
32:34That was never going to be the case. I tweeted this out, man.
32:38And I don't know if you've looked at this and talked about it, but you think about Chicago and Ben Johnson.
32:45Oh, they just run 11 personnel, three wide receivers on the field.
32:48They were 23rd, depending on the service that you look at.
32:5123rd in the NFL in 11, top six in both 12 and 13 personnel.
32:55So my theory was the other day, if Burden were going to miss a little bit of time or if it was
33:02going to slow things down, could we not see Chicago consolidate bigger, right?
33:06They drafted Sam Rausch in the third round. They have Cole Komet and Colston Loveland.
33:10They already ran 13 and 12 at a top six rate last season.
33:14Could you not see Odunze being the ISO receiver on the field in 13, those bigger sets?
33:19Or he's still going to command opportunity in two tight end sets.
33:23I just, it shouldn't be this far apart. He's an incredibly talented player that we've already seen flashes of upside.
33:29You don't have to pick. It's not an either or.
33:32It's all of the above. And if Rome is out there, this is still valuable time missed by Luther Burden.
33:37Yeah, we're on the same page on this one here.
33:40Something that Rome's actually said to me in February that bothers me a little bit about the Luther Burden thing is just
33:47where that he felt last year when he got hurt.
33:50It wasn't so much physically playing through the injury.
33:53It was the time missed in practice, like falling out of rhythm of a very detailed based offense that he felt was
33:59the thing that was the most difficult to come back from.
34:02And now Luther Burden is going to be missing that practice time.
34:06So yeah, Burden goes to me from a guy that I was ahead of.
34:10And I'm probably still will be ahead of overall Yahoo ADP because we're actually one of the platforms that I think has
34:17Burden pretty reasonably priced in like the 50s. I just think Rome should also be in the 50s.
34:22Kind of the dumb, like simple way to say it is that we've basically have only one season of these guys in
34:28a like we all agree that the Shane Waldron, you know, Caleb Williams rookie year offense was a mess.
34:34So I think we can kind of throw that out.
34:37So we really only have like one season available for both of these guys in a well-designed Ben Johnson offense.
34:43And we kind of have a great half of the season from Roma Dunze that legitimately was a top 20 receiver by
34:49any efficiency metric that you look at. And then we kind of have like a great back half, not even really a
34:56full back half season for Luther Burden, you know?
34:59So it's like because he wasn't available in the first half because he was injured in the offseason.
35:04Rome wasn't really available in the second half because he was injured during the season.
35:08So I think it's pretty equal between these two guys, like their case for a big massive breakout.
35:14But I love your point about a Dunze as the ISO receiver because that makes I think it can be burdened to
35:20any was useful in a small sample in some of those situations last year.
35:24But like, man, Roma Dunze can beat man coverage.
35:27He's a really good route runner that separates in the intermediate area where you're going to take those shots off play action from heavy personnel.
35:34And he's a great blocker as well. So I think he could be out of there and out there in a lot of those situations.
35:42And last point, and I'll use this to transition to the next green light player that we're going to talk about here.
35:48This is one of those reasons, Ray, where we don't want to just like, oh, it's crowded.
35:53Like, I don't know who just I'm not taking any of these guys because yeah, what happens when one of these guys get hurt?
36:00If Burden misses a chunk of time, a Dunze is going to be a big riser.
36:05I think the same thing could be said for the Jags wide receivers, which is why I think Parker Washington right now
36:12is a green light player because I'm buying what they're selling about him being the guy that's never going to leave the field.
36:18Where do you stand on the great Jaguars receiver debate of 2026?
36:22I'm buying that. I'm buying. I'm smiling because I'm buying P-Wash.
36:25I'm buying P-Wash. They're saying all the right things.
36:28But more importantly, it sounds like Parker Washington is doing all the right things for Jacksonville in practice.
36:33All we can react to matter, the clips and the information that's presented to us.
36:38And every time I see something about Parker Washington, it's how good he practiced, how many catches he came down with, how
36:44many touchdowns he scored, how the coach gusses about him, the quarterback gushes about him.
36:49And then you see what he did down that backstretch.
36:52The Jacksonville, they think they're slick. If you didn't see the video that they put out, I believe it was Friday or Saturday, Matt.
36:59I think it starts out with Parker Washington catching the ball.
37:02And I knew it before I saw the next clip.
37:05Next person was Brian Thomas Jr. over the middle.
37:07Next person was Jacoby Myers catching the ball. The next person was Tre...
37:11So they're trying not to tip it off that it's Washington.
37:15Like all of these guys are equal across the board, but I'm just not buying it.
37:19I think Washington, I think there are some people out there that kind of don't want to buy in for whatever reason, right?
37:26Whether it's Trevor Lawrence, a little bit of apprehension.
37:29He can't be as good as he was down the stretch.
37:32He was the doggone quarterback one. I believe the second half of the season, him and Josh Allen.
37:37Brian Thomas Jr. still there. Yes, he'll take work.
37:40But I think Parker Washington is the one. I've got him projected to lead this team as far as receiving counting stats and points per game.
37:48But the other guys are going to be involved and it's going to limit how high I think his ceiling can actually be.
37:55Yeah, I just think at the beginning of the process, I thought it was going to be Parker Washington rotating with Travis
38:01Hunter when Travis Hunter comes onto the field. And if you listen to John Shipley and I, I reposted a video that he did.
38:08He believes that Travis Hunter might be 80% defensive snaps and 50% of the offensive snaps, which is crazy if that's what happens.
38:15But I thought if Washington is going to be the guy to lose snaps to Travis Hunter, then he can't get too high.
38:22But now it sounds like Hunter is going to be mixing in as an outside receiver, which is actually bad news for Myers and BTJ.
38:29So I am going to have Washington as the highest ranked Jags receiver, kind of flipping that with Brian Thomas Jr.
38:35there. So ultimately, I still want you to take shots on all these Jags receivers.
38:40Travis Hunter included now as well. I want you to take like late round shots on him too.
38:45If 50% that might not happen, but 50% might be good enough.
38:49We'll see. It's just one of the right answer offenses.
38:52You'll want to take shots here. And I think Parker Washington at a ADP right now, last seven days on Yahoo 78th overall.
38:58That's a perfectly fine one to me. I want to just hit a guy that we both had here.
39:04DJ Moore. This is one of the players that I've probably changed my mind on the most.
39:09Like the more I've looked at DJ Moore and I mentioned this to Hayden on the show last week.
39:15I did a because I just got so much time on my hands here.
39:19I did a deep dive into some of my own reception perception data to try to quantify like the most misused players,
39:25guys who didn't fit the roles that they were in last year based on where they get open and the routes they
39:32ran most DJ Moore popped up as one that was really not suited to the role he had last year.
39:38But Ray, I think he's really suited to the role that he's going to be playing in Buffalo, you know, running nines,
39:44curls and slants, the routes that he's still really good on.
39:48How do you see DJ Moore as a green light player this year?
39:51I think I tweeted it out on Saturday night, Sunday night.
39:55I think he is one of the players that are primed to just outkick his ADP.
39:59This is a situation where his skill set matches exactly what Josh Allen needs.
40:03It's the best receiver Josh Allen has had since Stephon Diggs.
40:07And I don't want to make the same comparison because Diggs going to Josh Allen in 2020, at that stage of Diggs' career, he's a better player.
40:15He was a better player then than what DJ Moore is now.
40:18But DJ Moore is still a good player. And when Chicago threw him the ball last year, I mean, he was still good down the field.
40:26I mean, we all remember that touchdown catch late in the season.
40:30He can still get vertical. And now he's reunited with the coach.
40:33And Joe Brady has had DJ Moore before. Joe Brady knows exactly what to do with DJ Moore.
40:38All the reports have been overwhelmingly positive about how good that he looks.
40:42One of the, there's a beautiful throw. I'm sure we can find it where Josh Allen just uncorks it to the moon.
40:49Triple coverage and who comes down with it? It's just a bucket drop to DJ Moore.
40:53I think this, Shakir is a good player. And I think he fits a role inside this offense.
40:59But DJ Moore brings something else to the table.
41:01And I've got him projected right around 1,150 yards this season.
41:05I have DJ Moore inside my top 18 wide receivers.
41:08I love the spot for him. We're not talking dynasty.
41:11I'm not talking five years from now. I'm not talking two years from now.
41:15This season, this is a massive upgrade for Buffalo.
41:17Buffalo, as long as Moore can stay on the field, which I don't think he's got this big history of injuries, DJ
41:24Moore is going to produce and probably produce at a high clip when you got the MVP at quarterback.
41:30They've been searching for a receiver that got it in Moore.
41:33Yeah. Just where he goes, the range that he's in 65th overall ADP.
41:37Like there's, there's a lot of guys there and players.
41:40I like like, you know, Christian Watson. You've got him as a green light ADP.
41:44Some of the other players in that same range, you know, Devontae Adams, Mike Evans go a little bit earlier.
41:50More's just got a much higher path to a massive target share than the other players there.
41:55So I'm glad we're on the same page with DJ Moore.
41:58Any other players you want to hit from a green light perspective before we toss to break here?
42:04Well, no, I know you like, I know you like Christian Watson as well.
42:08I know I got, I got an old Krusty on there.
42:11Can I just touch on Debo real quick? Can I, is that okay that I I'm green lighting Debo?
42:17I'm not talking dynasty. An old Krusty. This season, Debo was a, Debo was a good player last year in an awful Washington environment.
42:24It was terrible. It was just Josh Johnson who got drafted when Joe Flacco got drafted in 2008 was throwing him passes
42:30at one point this season come week 17. But when you're thinking about this Niners team, Evans already dinged up.
42:36We're not counting on Christian Kirk. The answer's no.
42:39Kittle coming off an Achilles tear. Mike Evans' quad, not hammy, banged up a little bit.
42:43It seems like the only one that's available. And, and San Francisco has every incentive to just use the living hell out
42:50of Debo Samuel this season, both as a rusher.
42:53He'll probably be the second lead in rusher in San Francisco behind Christian McCaffrey and his involvement on the receiving game.
42:59You're talking about cheap production that costs you nothing.
43:02And an offense that we all think is going to be one of the better offenses in the NFL.
43:07Again, volume opportunity for a 17 week season. I think Debo Samuel at the end of your drafts or wherever he's going
43:14is a really good bet as well. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to get excited, but go ahead.
43:19If you don't like it, say it. Damn it.
43:22Just because I've got one for you in the next segment, but that just, it's not dynasty.
43:27Matt, who else is Brock Purdy's 4,000 yards going to dribbling, bro?
43:30It's going to be, it's going to be design dribbling.
43:33I'm telling you, he's, his skillset actually stands out.
43:36There's still 1,200, 13, 14, 2,000 more yards of passing to go around.
43:40I kind of just like getting away from the, getting away from the Niners offense in general.
43:45It's gone from a really green light offense to me to one that I'm not really like super invested in at this point.
43:52And I'm just skeptical about what's, what, uh, what Debo's got left, man.
43:55I mean, I think he could probably be a useful, I think he'll be a much better real life player for the
44:02Niners than he will be a guy that is helping us in our fantasy lineups.
44:06Unless you're doing best ball drafts, like late on, I think he's probably a fine enough pick, but yeah, in a managed
44:13league, I'm going to let you have Debo. That one's good.
44:16That one's going to be yours. That one, that one's going to be yours.
44:20We always got to have one or two. So we'll just, we'll write this one down and keep a star next to old Debo.
44:27All right. Well, we will see if we disagree or agree on some of our red light and yellow light players.
44:34The guys were not really clicking in drafts. We will get into that right after this break.
44:39All right. So that was some fun talk before the break, but a little positivity guys.
44:43We like, there's actually one we didn't mention that maybe I'll try to jump in on the sleepers segment a little bit
44:50later, pretty close to the outside the top 180 P anyways, whatever point being, let's talk about some guys that we don't like this year, Ray.
44:57And because I am not a courteous host, I'm a poor host.
45:01I'm a bad host. I'm going to let you go first.
45:04We're talking red light, yellow light players. Why don't you tell us one of the professional athletes that you are not drafting here this season?
45:12Okay. And this doesn't mean I dislike, I'm happy for this player.
45:15Right. But my boy. Great start. He's not, he's not Antoine this year.
45:19He's Alec this year. Yeah. He is no longer Antoine.
45:22His name is Alec Pierce. I won no part of him.
45:25Matt, I, he got paid the bag. We talked about him.
45:29We had fun with the community and embrace the name of Antoine.
45:32We got him projected high at Yahoo. Damn it.
45:35I got him projected high. Yet everything I've heard since he got his contract has been not good, not good, not good.
45:41And I think there was somebody had tweeted out that he was walking around Colts camp the other day and just said,
45:48he does not, he's not moving around like a player that's anywhere close to returning on the field.
45:53You're talking about a guy who had 47 catches last year and 1000 yards, got paid a significant amount of money.
45:59Quarterbacks coming off of an Achilles tear. We're already projecting a lot of volume for Jonathan Taylor, Josh Downs, Tyler Warren.
46:06And you want me to draft Alec Pierce right now?
46:08I want to like him. I want him to be on the field.
46:12This is a guy that was an Ironman. He just never left the field and now he can't get on the field.
46:19It's just concerning right now with what's going on with him to draft him at all, man.
46:24I just, I know he's ranked in our ADP, but I haven't seen him come off the board one time.
46:30Yeah, it's really tough to click him at this point because he might miss games into the regular season now at this
46:36point, like that hasn't been ruled out. He has not practiced at all this summer after the ankle surgery.
46:42It's, and by the way, like that doesn't even take into account, like we're projecting him here at Yahoo for a hundred targets.
46:49That's almost 20 more than he's ever seen in his entire career.
46:52I know that he missed games last year, but 84 targets last season was a career high.
46:57I mean, this is a guy who hasn't even quite had that role yet.
47:01He was running really hot last year as a vertical X receiver, but he needs to, and listen, I think he's someone
47:08that can do that, you know, in terms of he can do a little bit more than just run the straight line, go routes.
47:15I think he's, I think he's got more in his bag, but him getting to, I think it would be a miracle
47:22if he saw 120 targets this year. And there are guys going in that range of the draft where he doesn't necessarily
47:28need 120 targets because he can make the big plays and everything, but there are guys going in that range of the
47:35draft where I think I can just find a similar ceiling case and way less risk.
47:39So I'm with you. He's, he's a guy that I think makes sense as a, as a red light player.
47:45Yeah. I just, there's, there's not enough in that quote that was just up on the screen, basically saying we want him a hundred percent.
47:53And whenever that is, it will know when we know, or it is what it is.
47:57It just doesn't inspire confidence. They're not saying he's going to be ready for week one.
48:02And I do think there's a chance he misses games.
48:05He could very well be a player, Matt, that you and Boone are talking about as like a waiver wire pickup down the line.
48:12If he starts the season on pop or people are like, I'm cutting him, I'm not holding this guy.
48:18And then maybe if he gets back by mid season or whatever, but just right now today, I don't feel good about where he's at relative to ADP.
48:26I'll go a little earlier here for my red light guy and just say Rasheed Rice is a glaring red light to me.
48:33Like I I'm not clicking Rasheed Rice when he's going this early and I get it.
48:38Like, obviously it sounds crazy to say that for a guy who the last two years is wide receiver five in points per game in fantasy.
48:45And he's wide receiver 12 in points per game since he entered the NFL.
48:49Uh, and yet the per game is obviously doing some pretty heavy lifting there because this is not somebody who's been consistently available for a variety of reasons.
48:58And I think we once again have to have questions about his availability this year.
49:02One, cause he's coming off an injury. Plus he's just always like an off field risk.
49:07So, so there's that part of it too. But Ray, I'm also, I'd be pretty shocked if he walks into the same
49:13role that he has had over the last few years.
49:16And the, one of the biggest reasons I feel that way is because like they did the whole, Hey, we're running the
49:23one running everything through Rasheed Rice last year. And that offense was not very good.
49:27Like they have a lot of reasons to want to change.
49:30And my thought process is that Kenneth Walker is someone who was brought in here to be the engine of this offense,
49:37to get a lot of like a lot of what they did last year with Rice was extension of the run game underneath type of targets.
49:45And the, now they've got a run game. They were like the worst run game in the NFL the last two years from an explosiveness standpoint.
49:52Now I think they're going to be one of the most explosive run games in the NFL with Kenneth Walker.
49:58You look at Rasheed Rice. There've been 112 receivers to run 600 or more routes since he came to the NFL in 2023.
50:05His 4.69 air yards per target ranks 112 out of those 112 wide receivers.
50:09He needs a ton of volume to get home in his given role, especially if the goal line stuff evaporates, which I
50:16just kind of imagined that's what Walker is here to do.
50:19There's just way too much risk for me to take both from an off field, a health and just the player archetype perspective.
50:26Too much risk for me to take him where he goes, you know, 32nd overall pick, especially around all those wide receivers
50:32we talked about earlier that we like. Yeah, I'll say this.
50:36I'm going to disagree with you, but not with, because of any of the points that you say, because everything you said is valid.
50:43The yards per attempt are low. His air yards are low.
50:46Where he's drafted does feel a little high, but I just look at this team and I'm just, I'm looking at Worthy
50:52and the state that he's in right now. And nobody believes in that.
50:56Tyquan Thornton, he's got a specific role inside of this offense.
51:00And then we've got another year on Travis Kelsey.
51:02Kenneth Walker absolutely changes the shape of this offense.
51:05And I'm not sure many people actually know what it's going to look like with Kenneth Walker, because the last time Kansas
51:11City had like a really good running back, it was Kareem Hunt, like back in 2017.
51:16It's been almost nine years since then. I'm not talking Clyde Edwards-Hilaire.
51:20I'm not talking about Pacheco here and there, but like a legitimate, this guy people look at as a really good NFL running back.
51:27Early Kareem Hunt, people felt that way. I do think it changes the offense.
51:31Where Rasheed Rice doesn't concern me is, despite what we think about how talented or how good he is, when he's on the field, he is hyper-targeted.
51:39And despite the fact that his low yards per reception, sub five, right, he's the only player over the last five years
51:45that's commanded a 20% red zone share in the years in which he's played.
51:49There's nobody else that's done it. Rasheed Rice has done it twice.
51:53They target him inside the five-yard line at such a high clip.
51:57And then when you've got the quarterback, I think that's why we haven't projected on here for quite a few touchdowns.
52:03What did it, was the projection from Yahoo nine touchdowns for Rasheed Rice?
52:07Is that what was on the screen? Or maybe that's my projections for Rasheed Rice.
52:11What do we have? Yeah, nine TDs. He's nine TDs and a thousand yards, which to be fair, I've got him at
52:1810 TDs and right around less than 1,100 yards.
52:20So I'm not out here saying that this dude is a top five, top 10 wide receiver in the NFL.
52:26Absolutely not. No, I don't think anyone says that.
52:29I don't have him there. No. But for the role in which he's going to occupy, I'm still clicking him.
52:35I don't, not Dynasty, I'm talking about 2026. 2026, I just find it hard that anybody else is going to take enough
52:41away from him, especially with my homes being on the field.
52:45Now, it's a really convincing argument. And, you know, this honestly, if we're being super transparent, like maybe this is just a
52:51blind spot for me because I just don't buy into the player.
52:55And look, sometimes I've been right about that where like I've been skeptical about the player and, you know, eventually that role
53:01does disappear because someone is just better than him.
53:04Right now, there's not really someone that's better than him, even though, of course, I do believe it's like, I'm not kidding.
53:10Like Cyrus Allen, I think might legitimately play for this team because they're just so bereft of wide receivers at this point.
53:17And he does bring a skill set that they, including Rasheed Rice, does not have.
53:21But it's August 10th and this is a fifth round rookie.
53:24Like we got a long way to go before Cyrus Allen is eating into Rasheed Rice's target.
53:29Chair. And honestly, Ray, what I think we have to hope for is that Rice just shows us something that he hasn't
53:36yet, you know, which is that he's got it.
53:39Especially if they're going to be like a downfield.
53:41Well, if they're going to be like a heavy downfield run game, they're going to want to push off play action, get under center and stuff.
53:49And Rice hasn't shown that yet. Doesn't mean he can't, you know, sometimes guys get better and I kind of hope he does get better.
53:56That's that's what I'd like to see. Matt, I'll just say this real quick, dude.
54:01But but you and I, the way that and I think the people want to hear this because Oh my God, Matt Reagan disagree on this one.
54:09Harmon and he doesn't like him. Ray loves him.
54:11It's I'm not disagreeing. I don't think if I were building a receiver in a lab, there's nothing, nothing that Rasheed Rice
54:18does that I would put on one of those components of a of an ultimate receiver.
54:23But his role, you just looking at the usage and that's it's just it's hard to project Mahomes for where he's going
54:29to be, how he extends plays, get helps his receivers get open and then look at Worthy, Thornton, Kelsey and say, OK,
54:36if it's a one year game that we're playing for a seasonal league, if he's on the field, it's just it's target
54:42city inside of a Mahomes led offense long term.
54:45I ain't got nothing for you, man, because I'm not stomping up for him for long term.
54:50But this season, the usage is just probably going to still be there in my opinion.
54:55But that doesn't mean anything that you're saying about the player or a potential change in role is wrong.
55:00I just I don't know who would take it from him this year right now.
55:05Yeah, I think that's where the we're on the same page about the player and some of the limitations there.
55:11I just feel like that might change with the arrival of Kenneth Walker.
55:14And you are feeling like it doesn't. And we'll have to see what happens here.
55:19We have a lot of other kind of some yellow light players.
55:22We talked about two of our red light guys here.
55:25You've got Mike Evans, DK Metcalf. I've got Cortland Sutton.
55:28I'm like kind of hesitant to call Ted or McMillan a yellow light player.
55:33I just, you know, I'm a little I'm like a little bit behind.
55:36I wanted to make an aggressive case here on him.
55:39But, you know, 59 minutes into the show, I'm feeling like I don't want to make that case as a yellow light guy.
55:46So he just truly is probably more of like a neutral player for me, like not someone I'm even where he went in our draft today.
55:54I actually almost took him. So, you know what?
55:56We're going to strike there from the record. Not a yellow light player for me.
56:01I've got Cortland Sutton. You've got DK Metcalf, Mike Evans.
56:04The other yellow light player that I have that's a little higher in the draft is AJ Brown.
56:09Here's the thing. Like if AJ Brown was going in the 30s, I would be totally fine with him.
56:15You know, maybe wouldn't be green light on him.
56:17But if he was going in the 30s, I'm ranked as my 34th overall player.
56:22I'd be totally down to draft him because there I think the risk that he's not the same player, which I do
56:28think is present, would be a little bit more baked in.
56:32But at 24th overall on Yahoo the last two days, like end of the second round, maybe very early third round.
56:38I just think that's too aggressive again for a player that, you know, is in some form of decline to me.
56:44I believe that some of like the GPS tracking data shows that from him last year from folks I've talked to.
56:50I just think he's still a good player if he's the guy that he was last year, but he's no longer peak elite AJ Brown.
56:58And I feel like we're drafting him end of the second round as he's still peak elite AJ Brown.
57:03So do you feel a little bit differently about AJ than I do?
57:07Are you a little more optimistic? Because yeah, I just wish he was like a round cheaper.
57:12No, it's a little too, a little too pricey.
57:15If he fell, I'd have no problem taking a shot, right?
57:18Offense, Drake, major, I'm probably all alpha there. But second round, I've done a few, Matt, and I have not, I kind
57:25of don't even see his name right there. I'll just go somewhere else.
57:28I'm looking at running back or, and I like AJ Brown.
57:32I, um, I, eight touchdowns. I'd be, that'd be really good.
57:35I mean, if he's getting you eight touchdowns and 10 53, that's, that's a really good season.
57:40I got him for a few more yards, one less touchdown.
57:43So it probably equals out, but you're not going to hear any disagreement from, from me on this one.
57:49I don't, I don't know how many times I'd be clicking them at the back of the second round right now.
57:55Yeah. Again, I think it'd be good for the Patriots in some way.
57:59I just hope he's, if he's like their vertical X receiver, I don't know that that suits like his current game at this point.
58:06So hopefully his usage is a little bit different than what I'm expecting.
58:10And again, he just goes in a range where I think it's a little tough.
58:14So like I mentioned, you've got Cortland, or excuse me, you've got Mike Evans as a yellow light player, but like DK
58:21Metcalf, Cortland Sutton, I think we all know why Mike Evans would be yellow light.
58:25I don't know that we need to do a lot of breakdown there, but the Metcalf Sutton yellow lights, I think actually
58:32will transition us perfectly into our sleepers segment here.
58:34So we're going to take a quick break, but when we talk sleepers, one of the big reasons I feel like Ray
58:41is probably yellow light on Metcalf and I'm yellow light on Sutton is that I'm looking right outside the top 100 and there's a lot of appealing names.
58:49Whereas those guys just kind of go a little bit too early for me.
58:53So we will get into those guys, the top 100, the outside top 100 sleepers.
58:58We will get into those right after this. All right, we're back and it's time for everybody's favorite little segment here.
59:04This is the sleepers at the wide receiver position.
59:07These are the guys that are going outside the top 100 in Yahoo ADP over the last seven days.
59:12Got six guys for us to discuss here. And frankly, if you're familiar with my brand, you're probably not surprised by a lot of these names here.
59:20I'd also like to add Jalen Coker to the mix here as well.
59:24Some of my skepticism with Tedrow McMillan is just, I think Jalen Coker is a stone cold baller, but you know, what can you do?
59:31All right, let's, let's talk Josh Downs though here first, Ray, because number one, I know this is a player you and I have discussed in the past.
59:40And number two, producer JB. That's right. I talked about producer Colin probably too much on the show.
59:45JB, that's he's, he's the guy who's really got the whole program on his back.
59:50He tells me that the YouTube chat is fiending, fiending for some Josh Downs talk.
59:54That's how I know I've collected the right people here on this show.
59:58They're fiending for their Josh Downs talk. So Ray, are you in or are you out on Josh Downs as a sleeper at the 113th overall pick?
60:06Yeah, man, I got him projected pretty high. I need Josh Downs on the field, Matt.
60:11It's it. And anybody that's familiar with me since his time at North Carolina, my biggest thing is I just, I need
60:17Downs on the field, stay on the field. But yeah, Antoine's, Antoine's limping around.
60:21I don't even want to hear any of the other receivers there.
60:25I just don't, I don't want to hear it.
60:27Don't even mention it. You're not, you're not, you're not hoping for the, the, the year 11 breakout.
60:33Traylon Burks' name today. We're not going Treadwell. I'm not getting that dirty right now, Matt.
60:37But yeah, it should be Downs and Warren. I mean, it should be Downs and Warren.
60:42So outside the top 100, the spirit of this, I think, I think he's in line for higher targets than this.
60:48I've got him projected for more than this as well.
60:51So just stay on the field, Josh. Yeah, it just has to be healthy.
60:55And of course, right now he's dealing with a little bit of a groin.
61:00But not a huge deal. He should be available this week for practice.
61:03Not too worried about that. But yeah, and I think there's just no way he is.
61:08And no, I am not doing any pen eating bets.
61:11Okay. I'm not doing that this year. So Johnny airport number two, get back on the plane.
61:16You're staying on the tarmac. We're not launching any airport bets.
61:19So apologies for the audio listeners. They're not seeing the YouTube comment.
61:23They always surprise, surprise. Here comes that. Yeah. This is the year for Josh Downs.
61:27Okay. All right. As long as he's able to stay healthy.
61:31Let him have it, YouTube. Let him have it, YouTube.
61:34Yeah. Come at me. I'm not worried about it.
61:36As long as Josh Downs stays healthy, this is the year for Downs.
61:40There is no way he is not playing in two receiver sets.
61:44And frankly, I don't even know if that matters that much.
61:47Like it just, he is one of their best 11 players on offense.
61:51They're not going to have him be a 50% snap player.
61:54If anything, I wouldn't do the fantasy bet, pen eating bet for Josh Downs.
61:58I would do like a route percentage when he's healthy pen eating bet, but I'm also not going to do that because I've matured since last year.
62:06So yeah, Downs at this point, he's, he's going to, he's a good player.
62:10He will be highly targeted. I believe he will be on the field, Ray.
62:14Matt, Matt, can I ask you this real quick?
62:17And I want, I know you'll talk about it throughout the various shows, but in a situation like this, where a vertical stretcher, right?
62:24Alec Pierce is out and we've got these teams that could go to some heavier sets.
62:29Do you think Downs could work in one receiver set sporadically for Indianapolis if Pierce isn't out there?
62:34Like, are they really going to put Nick Westbrook?
62:37I'm just, you're going to put your most talented guy out there.
62:41Would they give him a chance to do it?
62:43And does that give them a little more upside there if they try to deploy something like that?
62:48Now, if they had a, by the way, this team probably shouldn't have like rage traded 80 Mitchell in the middle of last year.
62:56That does seem a little short sighted at this point.
62:59Probably. It seems a little bit short sighted, even though 80 does have his limitations, not one of those sleepers we're talking about here in this segment.
63:07However, God, the thing is we saw even last year, the chargers would take Ladd McConkie off the field in those one
63:13receiver sets and it would be Trey Harris because he's simply just bigger and a better blocker.
63:18And that's a way to me, I feel like you can serve down.
63:22So I'd be honestly, I'd be Ray. I'd be pretty surprised if he was like the lone receiver, 13 personnel for this team.
63:29But Pierce, when he's healthy, fits that pretty much perfectly.
63:32So I'm going to throw some of the other names out here that I had listed as sleepers and you tell me
63:38which one draws your eye the most. Jaden Reed at 119 overall.
63:42Michael Wilson, 111 overall. Quentin Johnson, 101 overall. Casey Concepcion, 132 overall.
63:45You can throw Denzel Boston in there if you want to.
63:49Todd Monken said today he's going to get some first team run as the X receiver.
63:53And I threw Travis Hunter out as 126 overall ADP.
63:56We know the deal with Hunter. He could be something.
63:59He could be totally nothing. So any of those guys you really gravitate to as a sleeper here?
64:05I'm not going to say Michael Wilson, okay? I'm just not going to do it.
64:09I love Michael Wilson. Everybody knows I love Michael Wilson.
64:12I'm going to stay away from Travis Hunter. Yeah, you talked about him last week.
64:16Yeah, I'm going to stay. I want to bring up Jaden Reed because all I'm seeing is, hell, I had Christian Watson
64:23in one of the green lights, Matthew Golden taking a step.
64:26I heard nobody, nobody discussing Jaden Reed right now.
64:29And when I projected him, he projected pretty well.
64:31I like how they use him in different areas throughout the field.
64:35We know he plays in the slot. But one thing that I keep coming back to is when they get inside that
64:41money zone, five-yard line, they're always scheming up stuff for him.
64:45Crossing across the field, some orbit motion to get him the ball and use his yak ability to run it in.
64:51Like, are we kind of underrating how good Jaden Reed can be for an offense that we think could be pretty good?
64:57I'll just, no one really talks about Jaden Reed, Matt.
65:00Yeah, he kind of goes in the no man's land between Christian Watson and Matthew Golden.
65:05And look, I have questions about Matthew Golden, but I also think his ADP is so late that you might as well take shots.
65:12I'm not opposed to taking Matthew Golden. But I have a lot of confidence in Reed as the 119th overall player, as I mentioned, wasn't healthy last year.
65:21Just pretty much a lost year for him from the beginning.
65:24Remember, he had the foot injury in training camp and then he tried to play through that and he broke his collarbone in week two.
65:31And then he had surgery on both injuries last year.
65:34So kind of a lost season for him. The Packers still give him a contract extension.
65:39He's another one race similar with Downs where the variable for him has been, is he going to play in two receiver sets?
65:46I think it's more likely that Downs plays in two receiver sets more than Jaden Reed.
65:50One, because I think Downs is a better route runner and a better separator against man coverage.
65:55But Reed is still capable there. I just also think it matters less in Green Bay because this looks like a team
66:02that's going to play a lot of 11 personnel.
66:05They traded their depth receivers to play these three guys, Watson, Reed, and Golden.
66:09And their second tight end with Luke Musgrave banged up is like nobody.
66:13So I think they'll play 11 personnel. Their defense is going to be worse this year.
66:17Their run game is probably going to be a little bit worse this year.
66:21There's a chance that we're just underrating the pass volume.
66:24And if anyone's underrating Jaden Reed, the player, I'll be buying stock on Jaden Reed, who I think is a very good and proven player in the NFL.
66:33I just wanted to touch on that one. I mean, they're going to run 11.
66:37Like you said, Musgrave kind of, I don't even know who the two or three tight end would be in Green Bay.
66:44I want to see what Golden develops into. I'm with you.
66:47He gets drafted so late. I want to bet on the draft capital.
66:51I want to bet on the talent. I just think Reed is this.
66:55What people normally do is they'll just click Watson and let somebody else draft Reed.
66:59But I do think there's a little bit extra there with Jaden Reed if he's healthy this season.
67:04That's the big thing. Is he healthy? Casey Concepcion, I do think is a really interesting sleeper this year, man.
67:10We talked about him as a prospect. And it's the Browns.
67:14I get it. I get it. Yet, he's still somebody that goes so late that him and Jordan Tyson was the other
67:20player that we didn't mention earlier that was a green light for me that I've kind of changed.
67:25Like Casey is a guy I always knew I'd be in on because I know he's going to go late 132nd overall.
67:32But like Jordan Tyson in the 90s is a pick.
67:35I just want to actually touch on him real quick before we go to break.
67:39He's somebody I've really warmed up to this year because number one, he's healthy.
67:43And I just think there's so much opportunity. And where he wins as a route runner against zone coverage on some of
67:50these breaking routes, especially breaking outside the numbers, really complements Chris Olave what he does well.
67:55So Tyson is a guy that doesn't quite qualify for this segment because he goes inside the top 100.
68:00But I do think is a really viable rookie sleeper this year as some of the other rookies like Makai Lemon, you
68:07know, not even not practicing at this point. Like I've gotten a little more excited about some of these other rookies right now.
68:14I think you're muted, Ray. Yeah, I was muted.
68:16I was like that. That was a good one.
68:19We're talking sleepers. And you said Makai Lemon. I'm just going to say the name Dontabian Wicks and I'm going to get to Casey Conception.
68:26Put a pin in Wicks. We're going to talk about him in the next segment, sadly enough.
68:31The Cleveland receiving room, it should just be Denzel Boston and Casey Conception.
68:35It really should be. Yes, it really should be.
68:38It should be. But Judy's going to be out there for as long as he's on that team.
68:43We talked about him being a trade candidate. I like Casey and I like Boston.
68:48I just think Boston has the he's the Cedric Tillman, right?
68:51Like the one that can stay healthy, at least in that iteration of Cleveland's offense downfield.
68:56Everything that you see Boston doing is posts downfield.
68:58He did that at Washington. That's that's what he did at Washington.
69:02So I like both Casey and Boston. And I'm just I'm hoping that those are the two that they just end up
69:08rolling with at some point sooner rather than later.
69:11Yeah, a lot of listen, I know it's just training camps, but I don't see a lot of good reviews of Jerry
69:17Judy and training camp from the Cleveland Browns reporters and everything like that.
69:21Maybe I'm following the wrong people. So correct me if I'm wrong there.
69:25Todd Monk is not a guy who's like, oh, well, I got to play him because of his salary.
69:31He's going to play the best guys. He's going to play the guys he likes.
69:35And I think he pretty clearly likes Casey Conception and Denzel Boston.
69:39Now, of course, Cleveland quarterback situation. They're really trying to make sure it's Deshaun Watson there.
69:43I think they're giving Deshaun Watson the heavy edge.
69:46But I think we see Shador at some point.
69:49I think Shador can get these guys to football enough to like evaluate them and for them to be, you know, again,
69:55we're not saying they're definitely going to work out, but they're sleepers in your drafts this year.
70:00But I tease the Dontavian Wicks talk. We're going to take a quick break.
70:04And then, yes, we're going to go full sicko mode for some deep, deep, deep sleepers at the wide receiver position.
70:11Our draft a blueprint series. We're going to get into that right after this.
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70:28Upgrade your performance today with Orgain. And today we're going to highlight the best fantasy ecosystem for wide receivers in our Draft Day Blueprint segment here, Ray Garvin.
70:37And we're going to go absolute sicko level for these wide receiver takes on this one.
70:41Because, listen, we said this at the top of the show.
70:45We've talked about these trees plenty throughout the program.
70:47We know that the McVay slash Shanahan and Ben Johnson tree offenses, they have been huge boosts to overall fantasy offensive efficiency
70:54and certainly to wide receivers in recent NFL history.
70:57So, again, we know the big boys. We know the Ben Johnsons, the Mike McDaniels, the Liam Cones, these guys that everyone's talking about.
71:04And I thought, let's take a look at five new play callers off of these two respective trees and see if we
71:10can't find some clarity in what I would say are ambiguous wide receiver hierarchies with these teams.
71:15So, let's start in Baltimore with the Ravens, who hired former Bears offensive coordinator Declan Doyle.
71:20We know Zay Flowers is the established one. However, number two, number three receiver, we got Rashad Bateman.
71:25We got Jacoby Lane getting a lot of pop at a training camp.
71:29I said this was going to be sicko deep sleeper level stuff.
71:33So, promises made, promises kept. Rashad Bateman, Jacoby Lane, deep sleeper appeal for you in an offense that I think is going to be real.
71:40I'm actually really excited about Declan Doyle. Maybe you can tell me I'm wrong on this.
71:45Where are you at with the Ravens wide receiver room?
71:48Like, I feel like somebody is trying to get us to go against each other right here.
71:53Because I'm not, I just, I don't want any wide receiver two in Baltimore.
71:57Can it change? Sure. But over the last three years, it has been a position that gets you excited and then always just lets you down.
72:05Right? They just, Lamar Jackson is not. And I called him Shoddy B coming out of Minnesota.
72:10I love him and I still think he's a talented player when he's on the field.
72:14I think the change in offense can absolutely invoke more volume for the other receivers.
72:19But I don't think it's just a Bateman or a Lane thing.
72:22The vibes around Mark Andrews have not been positive.
72:25I've been wanting to talk about him maybe being a sleeper tight end.
72:29But a lot of the vibes are a lot of drops.
72:32Doesn't, he needs to get going because the Ravens are counting on him.
72:36Somebody else is going to have to step up.
72:39So whether that's Bateman or Lane, it feels like somebody other than is going to have to step up.
72:44So it's got to be somebody other than Zay.
72:47Ah, man. I just, I'm, listen, I know I've said over the course of the offseason, my therapist will not let me talk about Rashad Bateman.
72:55I'm starting to talk about Rashad Bateman again. I'm not saying you guys need to draft him in fantasy.
73:00I'm not. But I put a post out over the weekend highlighting his comments about how he's going to move around the
73:07field, you know, a little bit more. Just want to note, 180 wide receivers have run 500 or more routes since he came into the NFL in 2021.
73:15He ranks 178th out of those 180 in slot percentage.
73:18I do think the emergence of Jacoby Lane, the addition of Declan Doyle, is going to allow all of these receivers to move around a little bit more.
73:26Certainly Bateman, I think, will get more chances from different alignments, which will be a welcome thing for him.
73:32I don't know if it's enough to be fantasy relevant outside of best ball formats.
73:36But certainly, I think both Lane and Bateman are forgotten about guys deep in best ball formats.
73:41And I think Zay Flowers, again, he is the right answer here.
73:45I have Zay ranked as my wide receiver 14 right now.
73:48I have him as my 29th overall player. I'm really excited about the season Zay Flowers is about to have in this offense.
73:55But let's go to Las Vegas with Clint Kubiak, former Seahawks offensive coordinator.
73:59He is now the head coach calling plays. Trey Tucker, Jalen Naylor, the likely top two guys.
74:04Doesn't seem like anyone's really separating from the Jack Besch, Malik Benson, Dante Thornton might not even make the roster like these guys.
74:11So, this one's tough for me. Any interest in a Raiders receiver here?
74:14Or is this just the answer is more Brock Bowers?
74:17Well, the answer is Brock Bowers, right? That is the answer.
74:21The answer is Brock Bowers. But we're not talking about fifth round picks.
74:24We're not talking about 10th round picks. We're talking, where's Trey Tucker or Jalen Naylor going?
74:29They're late last round. Yeah. Undrafted. One of them, Matt.
74:32One of them will be relevant to a degree.
74:35Not change your league, but in a best ball, you're a little more inclined for, I mean, Trey Tucker gave you three touchdowns in a week, right?
74:43That was all he did. But again, he went off in one week.
74:47I do think whether it's Mendoza or Kirk Cousins, it's just going to be such a better offensive environment in Las Vegas where we've done this before.
74:55As a fantasy community, we've done this before thinking an offense would be putrid.
74:59And then we look up and Houston at that time was a lot better than anybody thought it would be.
75:05It's hard to be worse than what Las Vegas was last year when you are throwing out Dante Thornton in week one.
75:11I think Naylor and Tucker are better players. The answer is Brock Bowers.
75:15Last round or priority waiver wire watch list kind of guys, I'd put the Raiders down there.
75:20Yeah, I think Naylor is interesting in this system where they're going to want to hit some explosive outbreaking routes off play action.
75:27And that is what Naylor did really well as kind of a role player in Minnesota.
75:32Not saying he's going to be special or anything, but I do think he fits into this offense and some of the shot plays they want to take.
75:40I still have a candle lit for Jack Besch, but it's more of a dynasty based thing and more of like an
75:46NFL role player thing than a redraft fantasy option.
75:49But maybe he comes along when the games actually start.
75:52I don't think he's ever going to be a great practice player.
75:56And I'm also not 100% sure that they have like the right role for him with Brock Bowers as the slot based option here.
76:03We'll see about that. Really just fascinated how this offense comes together.
76:06Dolphins, Bobby Slok is the offensive coordinator. Of course, he's been an offensive coordinator before.
76:11He was the pass game coordinator on Miami last year.
76:14This is one of the weakest wide receiver depth charts you've probably ever seen.
76:18And yet it sounds like, Ray, that Malik Washington and Caleb Douglas have solidified themselves as the one and the two in
76:24some order with Chris Bell coming back midseason off of the injury.
76:28Malik Willis getting some good reviews in training camp.
76:30Any interest at all in like a true, true flyer on some of these Dolphins receivers?
76:35I like Washington. I do. Like, I really do.
76:38Yeah. I like him as a prospect. Yeah, I think Chris Bell will be good when he's healthy and stuff.
76:44And I really am rooting for Malik Willis. But I'll just keep this one short.
76:48Not drafting them, right? They would be waiver wire guys.
76:51And I do think this is one where, what if, man, we look up and Willis is really good.
76:57He's a dynamic quarterback. They feel like they can build around him.
77:00They're letting him throw the ball more. It's like every time we think we know exactly what an offense is going to
77:07look like and what it's going to do, it's the opposite outcome happens.
77:11I'm watching. I'm rooting for Malik Willis. I really am.
77:14I'm rooting for him. So not right now, Matt, but I'll watch him and they'll be on the waiver wire.
77:20But I'm pulling for Willis. Yeah, more so dynasty.
77:22I just think Caleb Douglas is a little bit like slept on.
77:26Not a prospect that I charted him after the draft because he went so high.
77:30I didn't think he was as bad as maybe some of the rankings would indicate.
77:35I think he's got some utility. And I wouldn't be surprised if his game overlaps with Malik Willis.
77:40But it's more of a dynasty take. The guy we teased on the other side of the break here, Eagles, Sean Mannion, former Packers assistant coach, quarterback coach.
77:48Devontae Smith, again, similar to Baltimore. He's the established one.
77:51The question is who's wide receiver two and who's wide receiver three.
77:55Dontavian Wicks is going to be one of those guys.
77:58Maybe he's the long term three when Makai Lemmon gets rolling.
78:01But at this point, I saw Jimmy Kemski, who covers the Eagles, say like it's pretty likely that Makai Lemmon is not
78:07going to start the season, which makes sense. Right.
78:10I say this all the time, Ray. I hate when rookie receivers miss valuable offseason time.
78:15And he has missed a ton of it with a hamstring injury.
78:18So you mentioned you wanted to talk Wicks. I could talk Wicks for days.
78:23So floor is yours, pal. I could look at the team, what they lost, how they may change structurally, what they just
78:29in theory drafted Makai Lemmon to do versus what he may be available to do early in the season.
78:35They brought Wicks in, man. And Wicks in flashes.
78:37Showing that he can be a quality wide receiver in a very pivotal year for Jalen Hurts.
78:42If you told me right now they're going to throw two wide receivers out on the field week one, I bet you it's Devontae Smith number six.
78:50And I don't know what number Wicks is wearing.
78:53Whatever number he has, it would likely be the guy that has Wicks on the back of his jersey.
78:59This is one where I think people are sleeping on this one where you look up and you're like, damn, this is a pretty good offense.
79:06And Dante being Wicks somehow, he's getting six targets a week.
79:10And oh, that week he got seven. And oh, he's getting red zone looks.
79:14We're talking sleepers here, Matt. Wicks needs to be on the list.
79:17I don't want to get too bullish. I don't want to oversell it.
79:21But I think he needs to be on the radar for people for real.
79:25I think so, too. I think there are times where he got a little overrated as a separator by some of the other charting metrics out there.
79:33But from a reception perception standpoint, his first season, we built this player comparison tool in the offseason that's on the site that people can check out.
79:41Wicks pops up like an annoying amount. And I was talking about this with our web developer, Zach, today.
79:47I was like, why does Wicks pop up with just like all these comps?
79:51It's because he was kind of just good enough at everything as a rookie to clearly be like a valuable third or fourth receiver.
79:58And he played a bunch of different roles that year, which is we were talking about in our pre-show chat.
80:04Smart. You got to be smart to do that.
80:07And they trusted him with a lot of different roles as the rookie receiver, like a day three guy that year.
80:1371st percentile success rate versus man. 49th versus zone.
80:1669th versus press. Like nothing screaming. Oh, my God.
80:18Special. He's one of the best separators in the NFL year.
80:21But like a guy that could run quality routes and get open as a day three rookie in that 2023 season.
80:28So, yeah, I definitely, you know, no pun intended, still have the candle lit for Wicks for sure.
80:33I love that Sean Mannion, you know, brought was probably a part of bringing him from Green Bay.
80:38And, you know, one thing that Wicks was really good at doing was running these like in motion, these big out cuts.
80:45And that's what Jalen Hurts will throw, man. I was just going to tell you, I was like, I'm looking at Wicks
80:51and it's a lot of quick outs, deep outs, hitch and curl, not a lot over the middle.
80:57Like it just, it seems to fit what Jalen Hurts wants to throw.
81:00We are in lockstep here, brother. All right. Rapid fire just on the last one here.
81:05Seahawks, Brian Florey, former 49ers tight end coach. JSN, again, we know he's the established one, but he had a historic target share.
81:12Number one target share for a wide receiver from 2015 to 2025.
81:16Does any of Rashid Shahid, Torrey Horton or Cooper Cup eat into his target share?
81:20Real quick, Ray. Yes or no? No. Yeah, probably not enough to matter.
81:24Like Rashid Shahid will make some big plays, be more involved, but unlikely.
81:28And Torrey Horton stashed on your bench in Dynasty.
81:30I think that's the right answer. I am interested to see what Elijah Arroyo, maybe more tight end usage happens in this offense.
81:37But Ray, hell of a show with you today, brother.
81:40I think it lived up to expectation. Tell people where they can check out all the work you're doing.
81:46With the Trinity, especially, I want people to go check that out.
81:49Yeah, appreciate that, Matt. Appreciate that. DDFantasyFootball.com usage visualization.
81:52Unlike Harmon, right? We look at different things, right?
81:55It's not so much of the routes and the success.
81:58It's really just looking at the team usage and involvement.
82:01So that's why it makes these shows so fun.
82:03So check that out on DDFantasyFootball. But Wednesday and Thursday, pieces dropping on Yahoo Fantasy.
82:08So looking at some more wide receiver stuff, looking at some stuff to help you with these early preseason.
82:13So check out all the pieces that are dropping on Yahoo.
82:17And Matt, it's always great to do the show with you, man.
82:20Good one. No doubt, man. This was a total blast.
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