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0:19As I said, we've got an electric Thursday Night Football recap off the top with Hayden Winks, Lions, Bills.
0:24Whoa boy, we are excited about this Bills offense.
0:26Okay, I went chain out for the recap for Joe Brady.
0:30Shout out to Joe Brady. 77 freaking points for the Buffalo Bills through the first two weeks.
0:34We're going to talk about how excited we are about that offense, what a great pick Dalton Kincaid was, plus what we
0:41saw from the Lions where there's still plenty of reasons to be optimistic about that offense, even though the defense cannot stop a nosebleed right now.
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0:56All that and more come up on today's show.
0:59It's a big one. Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone?
1:02I'm Matt Harmon, and welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast Nightcap, and it is a hell of a night to talk ball.
1:09And joining me to do just that after electric high scoring, as predicted on this show, and pretty much anybody could have seen that coming.
1:16High scoring Thursday Night Football Affair. It was a great one, and it is our guy, Hayden Winks.
1:21Hayden, you got a little dark setup here. You're looking like you're ready for the night.
1:25Moody? Yeah, a little moody. Yeah, we're having a little birthday celebration for me and my brother over there, and got back
1:32in time to put up these box score numbers.
1:34Are just out of control. And if you guys watch that game, which I'm sure you just did, it felt like the entire game, everybody was wide open.
1:42It didn't matter who they were throwing the ball to, and I think that's going to be the reality for both teams.
1:49I think the Bills defense is going to have question marks, and then the Lions are going to have even more question
1:55marks, and it's not going to get fixed anytime soon.
1:58No, I don't think it's getting fixed anytime soon, but hey, it really worked out for basically everybody, almost everybody in fantasy football tonight.
2:05There's no question about that. Bills 41, Lions 24.
2:07That's what we're talking through here. 77 points for the Buffalo Bills through two weeks of the NFL season.
2:12I mean, Joe Brady and the boys have been cooking.
2:15I decided to wear the chain out tonight for Joe Brady, you know, in solidarity, you know, so we got that going here.
2:22Man, the Bills offense incredibly impressive just all the way through.
2:25Hayden, what were your notes on that side of it?
2:28Yeah, so Josh Allen finishes with a 99th percentile total EPA in this one, and it wasn't like, obviously there's like some
2:34nice play design stuff, but this wasn't like a merchant-based offense.
2:37The non-play action plays, 0.46 EPA per play for the Bills in this one.
2:41Josh Allen's success rate, 100% as a runner. That was six design runs, five scrambles.
2:46All 11 of them went for a positive play.
2:4882% of them went for a first down in this one.
2:51And they did this with DJ Moore leaving early in this game.
2:55And by the way, DJ Moore, hopefully he gets back.
2:58It sounds like maybe an AC joint because he's going to be an absolute stud in this offense because everyone is going to get home.
3:05The Josh Allen and the Lamar Jackson of all right now, like the NFL is in a state where these alien quarterbacks
3:11with the play callers kind of like fully unleashing these guys and actually getting them some weapons.
3:16Dalton Kincaid probably being the biggest one in this game.
3:19I don't know how you're going to stop these alien quarterbacks this year.
3:22It just kind of feels like one of those years where, man, like if we're talking about the prime of their athletic
3:29careers and they're obviously now getting into the peak of their mental careers as well.
3:33So it's gonna be very, very tough to stop Josh.
3:36I don't know what you would do. I'm ready to say some irresponsible things about the 2026 Buffalo bills.
3:41And it's the first thing is like, I think this is easily the best I've ever seen Josh Allen play.
3:47And look, it's through two games and the Lions defense stinks out loud, but the Texans do not.
3:52Okay. And I do think a part of this too, is, you know, you're, you're right to mention that he is.
3:58And Lamar as well. Like he's good to group this in with as well.
4:02These physical freak quarterbacks that have also now, like we talked about this with Jared Goff when he started to really catch fire with the Lions.
4:09It's like, yeah, Jared Goff has seen every form of coverage.
4:12He's able to diagnose things. Now he has, like, he's basically the offensive coordinator and chief architect of the Lions offense.
4:18Now think about that, but it's Josh Allen, you know, all respect to Jared Goff, who's a great player.
4:24But now we're talking about, yeah, it's, it's, it's Josh Allen and Lamar too.
4:28And they're also, I think hitting complete stride with the play callers.
4:31Like this is why if you're the Buffalo bills, man, I mean, it's gotta be tough to be Sean McDermott right now.
4:38I know it's only two games and like, you gotta go in the Superbowl and the whole deal, but it does really feel like.
4:44Not addition by subtraction. That feels a little bit too harsh, but just like, this is why you make this bet.
4:50If you're the Buffalo bills, you promote Josh Allen's guy.
4:53You basically do everything that Josh Allen wants. And these are the results 77 points through two weeks.
4:58And, you know, Hayden, what's tough about this offense is just, I mean, my God, nine and one on Thursday night football,
5:05best record by a quarterback with 10 plus Thursday night games.
5:08As we're showing on the screen right now, the, the superlatives could go on and on, but to your point about how do you stop this offense?
5:15They just can throw so many different things at you.
5:18I mean, they were in heavy personnel packages consistently, both in week one.
5:22And then once again, in this game, I had this when there was just like the last drive to go, which is obviously just bleeding out the clock.
5:30Who cares? They were in 11 personnel on 35% of their snaps, according to Sumer sports, 12 personnel, 31%, 13 personnel, 26%.
5:36It's just, and they have the matchup nightmares to, to go along with that, with the way Dalton Kincaid is playing right now.
5:43I mean, he is going to go down, I think is one of the best picks in fantasy this year.
5:48Yeah, definitely. So, I mean, his route rate isn't like a hundred percent, but it's getting closer to like the 70% mark.
5:55And like, that is an increase. And a lot of those looks, it's not that he's playing, uh, and it's like good to get snaps in 11 personnel.
6:03But if you're going to be running routes in the 13 personnel and you're the guy they're actually targeting, that's like how
6:09you like scheme up these like ridiculous per route numbers out there.
6:12And that's exactly what he's doing. He's, he's part of the equation of beating the man coverage stuff.
6:18And like, there was too many games in the playoffs over the last couple of years where the Buffalo bills, they would
6:24just say, we're going to play some man coverage.
6:26We're going to have two eyeballs on Josh Allen at, at linebacker or at safety.
6:31And then they were just getting pressed out of the, out of the gym.
6:35And they can't really do that as, as easy this year when DJ Moore, a healthy and flying down the football field.
6:41And when Dalton Kincaid is looking this good, uh, we had multiple like high point catches in the first game.
6:47He's just so athletic. He's just also somebody that probably, uh, as he gets a little bit older, has a little bit
6:53better feel for zone coverage and all that type of stuff.
6:56So, uh, really, really dynamic offense here. Um, and he's going to have to, cause I was not still that impressed with the bills defense either.
7:03No, I do want to talk about that when we get to the lions side of things here.
7:09And again, every caveat that we say about the bills tonight, obviously it's still the early season, the whole deal, whatever that
7:15lines defense is going to, I mean, it's, it's going to be big, tall football.
7:19Whenever you play an NFC North team, pretty much.
7:22Cause I feel like the, I feel the same way about the Packers.
7:25I feel the same way about the bears. And obviously we'll see about the Vikings too.
7:30They're kind of a different, they're kind of the outlier in that division.
7:34But I mean, this lions defense, man, I don't know.
7:36Like they got to get those safeties healthy back ASAP.
7:39And I don't even know if that matters. Is that enough?
7:42I mean, I don't think it's enough. No. I mean, they're, they got corner injuries again in this game and they don't,
7:49they just simply like, don't have the dudes outside.
7:51And I really liked the way that Nate put this on, on Twitter.
7:55I saw that Kelvin shepherd was like emotionally blitzing.
7:58Like they'd get ripped for a big play and he sends like a blitz the next play after.
8:03And it's just, you know, just launching it right over them.
8:06So I don't really trust this. Like, I think the scheme is very boom bust.
8:10And when you have a very boom bust scheme and you've got serious personnel questions, I think they're just going to get fried all season long.
8:17And Aiden Hutchinson made a lot of plays tonight, but was also like, I mean, more tired than I am right now.
8:24That's probably an exaggeration, but I mean, I mean, maybe he's like got the flu or something like that.
8:29But I mean, it was, it was bizarre watching that tonight for sure.
8:33Yeah. That's like, you know, Dion Dawkins, like a kind of like unsung hero, obviously for bills fans.
8:38That's not true. But for like the rest of like media and like for the casuals out there, I mean, he was dominant in pass protection.
8:45They said he's, he's dropped a couple pounds going into the season as well.
8:49And like four out of the five players on the offensive line were returning here.
8:54So this is gonna be a very difficult offense to start.
8:57It's, it's interesting with the James Cook stuff. Thankfully, he got that goal line touchdown.
9:01It does feel like the Buffalo Bills, like when they're at the one yard line, it feels like James Cook is like
9:07the third most likely guy to score a touchdown.
9:10It's like one of the tight ends, obviously Josh Allen himself.
9:13And then after that, maybe we'll get James Cook a touchdown.
9:16James Cook, not that involved as a receiver. At the same time, you're going to hit just so many home runs when
9:22this team's gonna be projected for 30 points like every single week.
9:26So I don't feel too bad for the James Cook people that have drafted him.
9:30But man, those were some painful goal to go situations.
9:33And when I'm watching them, I'm like, this is the ball is not going to him.
9:38Not only that. And listen, you said the people that drafted James Cook.
9:41This is the first year. I'm really one of those people because I took him in the, in, in our Yahoo fantasy league.
9:48I've got him in another league too. That was not fun.
9:51Okay. It is not fun to have a James Cook on your fantasy team when, yeah, it's just, I mean, even beyond
9:57that, Hayden, like the goal line stuff, whatever. I'm, I'm emotionally, I'm, I'm well, no, I guess I'm not emotionally, but I
10:03thought I was ready and prepared for that. But like, even some of the times like James Cook gets out in the
10:10open field tonight, he almost looks like he starts slowing down.
10:13Like, is he part of the scam? Is he in on the bit?
10:17Like that he knows like Josh Allen is going to come in and get this as we're showing on the screen here.
10:23Like this is the best meme that's ever been put out on social media.
10:27It's so right. James Cook and it's just Ralph Wiggum slamming in through the, yeah.
10:31I mean, it's crazy. I don't know. It's just, there's nothing you can do about that.
10:36If you drafted James Cook, this is part of it.
10:38I do think, you know, maybe he sold us a bill of goods on the receiving stuff when he came on the
10:45show and said like, you'll see on Sunday. I'm seeing one catch for four yards, which yeah, I'll see.
10:50And I'm not seeing a lot of catches from James Cook so far.
10:54So yeah, I think like if we were redrafting today, I'd probably say he's, you know, maybe like an early second round
11:00pick instead of a late first round pick, whatever.
11:03Totally fine in, in the fantasy league. I don't care because my running back one is actually Derek Henry, who I took it running back to.
11:10So I'm feeling fine about that. By the way, shout out to Max in our Yahoo fantasy league.
11:15I mean, he's going to need Josh Allen to be a superhero every single week with some of the receivers, but he's a superhero this week.
11:23I mean, to flip this over, to flip this over to the lion side of it.
11:27But Max is going against Joel, who has Jameer Gibbs.
11:30He took him one overall and like, you know, now he didn't have a shot because Josh Allen just dropped like a 40 burger or something like that.
11:38So yeah, the, the, the bills offense is unbelievable.
11:41I like watch this team through the first two weeks, Hayden.
11:44And I do have questions about defense. We'll talk about that here, that here in a minute.
11:49But if Josh Allen is playing like that, and I do think DJ more being healthy is a big variable here because I shout out to Keon Coleman.
11:57He had a couple of nice moments in this game where he had one play where he settled when Josh Allen goes
12:03into creation mode, which he's actually always been pretty good at doing.
12:06And then a few like nice out cut wins against man coverage lines corners aren't good, but still, you know, for Keon
12:13Coleman, that couple of nice routes there. They're going to need DJ more to be out there and be healthy.
12:18But if he is, and Dalton Kincaid is playing like this, I mean that famous last words like that team could easily
12:24win the Super Bowl with Josh Allen playing at this level.
12:28Really could. I'm also like paying attention to players like Dion Walker, like defensive tackles, like these type of players who like
12:34maybe they go from like being a singular to a double to like maybe they can be.
12:39An actual home run selection. Like they need a couple of these guys to pop up on defense like their top corner
12:45Christian Benford very up and down player. They put him in very difficult spots, but sometimes he looks good out there.
12:51Sometimes he doesn't seem like those ancillary players on defense that are going to make the difference.
12:56They didn't have at Oliver in this one and totally around the DJ more stuff.
13:00Like I really do think DJ more is going to end up being one of the better picks.
13:05Hopefully you get back on the football field. Sounds like an AC joint.
13:09They were trying to go get x-rays for him.
13:11Typically, if it's like mild, that's like one to three weeks.
13:15Hopefully that's what this is. And I think Buffalo has they can be patient with them because they're sitting pretty right now.
13:21They have to feel very, very, very confident. Schedule for the Buffalo Bills coming up here.
13:25Buying myself some time. They got the Chargers, the Patriots, the Rams, and then the Raiders before a week seven by.
13:31So definitely some games that they would like to have DJ more out there for.
13:36Okay, a couple things from the chat. I just want to laugh at here real quick before we talk about the Lions.
13:42Mr. Knice guy. They told me second round was too early to draft Josh Allen, and they told me Dalton Kincaid week one was fool's gold.
13:49Well, we definitely didn't tell you about that with Dalton Kincaid.
13:53I said on Sunday Dalton Kincaid was one of the most impressive players I watched.
13:57So I'm in on Dalton Kincaid 100%. The second round was too early to draft Josh Allen.
14:02Okay, I did post about this during the game.
14:04This is classic like preseason brain fantasy football analyst.
14:07You're like, listen, I'm wearing the glasses so I can do this.
14:10Listen, opportunity cost and you know, you're going to be burned.
14:13It's too late. Like there's the quarterback is too deep.
14:16And then actually having Josh Allen on your fantasy team kind of kicks ass, man.
14:20So you know what? Next year. And I like when we talked about Josh Allen, I did make sure to say like
14:27Josh is in a tier of his own. Like he's a different beast, whatever.
14:31But you know, and I said, I've got Josh Allen on dynasty teams.
14:34I don't need to take him a redraft, whatever.
14:37But you know, again, sometimes there are exceptions to the rules and he is absolutely looking like that this year.
14:43He was being drafted. So Marion Hampton, AJ Brown, Brock Bowers, Nico Collins, Drake London, George Pickens right now.
14:48I mean, oh, Drake London, what miracle of what miracle of God would have to happen for Drake London to have like
14:54a 40 point game even right now? Seriously. I don't know.
14:57I mean, hopefully, you know, the bow next year, like those type of guys have to put up crazy numbers to keep up.
15:04It just seems like one of those years where Josh Allen on the market, they're going to be averaging 25 points per game.
15:11It's just like on hopefully the kind of tandem, the Jordan love plus Justin Herbert, like that tandem.
15:16Like hopefully you play the matchups and you can make up the difference.
15:19But it's we have our work cut out like the quarterback, you know, eight to quarterback 16 that we're talking up like it's on.
15:26Yeah, I have Justin Herbert and I'm telling you what, I'm not feeling great about it.
15:31I'm not feeling great about competing with the Josh Allen teams right now.
15:35Zare 805 says I was about to leave my wife if James Cook didn't score.
15:39I think I think and again, somebody that had James Cook.
15:42I think our wives should have left us, pal, if James Cook didn't score there because we knew what we were getting and we walked right into it.
15:50So there you go. OK, Lions notes here. Jameer Gibbs, like I don't want to take this away from him.
15:56He also is a fantastic fantasy pick. 16 carries, 52 yards, but he did most of his damage from a fantasy standpoint from a receiving workload.
16:03Eight catches or eight targets, six catches and a really nice touchdown.
16:06Good design there from Petsing, who I'm sure the Lions fans hate right now.
16:10But good design from Petsing. Gibbs scores the touchdown there.
16:13I have like no negative notes really about the Lions offense aside.
16:17Like they just got to get healthier on offense.
16:19Their early down runs, negative 0.3 EPA per play.
16:22Like that's just obviously not very good, but they're missing their center.
16:25They're missing their left guard. They're missing a right tackle.
16:28Penny Sewell didn't have like the best game. So I think that's like kind of where you have like the worst, like the most concerns there.
16:35I don't know. I think the Petsing offense looks pretty good.
16:39Like they were getting Jameer Gibbs in like one-on-one situations.
16:41And like that was barbecue chicken out there. And Amon Ross St.
16:45Brown's like continues to eat at all levels of the field.
16:48Like I know this is something that you've been preaching for a while.
16:52Like this is not this slot merchant type of player that you're thinking he is.
16:56Like Amon Ross St. Brown with this defense. I think this is the year where he is going to leap and actually
17:02going to be able to compete with Puka Nakua, Jamar Chase.
17:05We'll see about Justin Jefferson. Like he's always been like one half tier in fantasy behind those guys.
17:11He's he's gonna score like those guys because this defense is not going to get any better.
17:15It's like they have Aiden Hutchinson, but he was gassed in this one.
17:19And they really just do not have the guys in the secondary right now.
17:23And I just don't think that's going to be fixed.
17:26Like even like Branch and Kirby Joseph. Like when they come back from injury, like are those going to be the same level of players?
17:33Is that even still enough? If those corners are going to be out there for that many snaps, I just don't know
17:39what they're going to do about that. But I thought Jared Goff played really well in this one.
17:44Jared Goff has been second in passing yards in the last three seasons.
17:48He's going to be second or first this year.
17:51Like he's going to have so many 300 yard passing games for touchdowns, 327 yards in this one.
17:56Took a couple sacks. There's a bad snap that he had to fall on.
18:00He was scrambling around for a couple plays too.
18:02But man, the passing numbers are going to be so obviously there the entire year.
18:07Yeah, 100%. I mean, he's going to have a chance to just go crazy from a touchdown standpoint.
18:12This was something we talked about in the preseason for sure.
18:15St. Brown, by the way, did not have his first reception in this game until 6 minutes and 17 seconds left in the second quarter.
18:22So he was truly sitting on a zero spot, as we're showing on the screen here, 4.3 fantasy points in the first half.
18:29I mean, there's going to be a lot of that.
18:31And there's going to be games, by the way, where he has 15 points going into the second half.
18:37And then he adds like another 20 to 30 more.
18:40Hayden is absolutely correct on that. I had him ranked ahead of JSN coming into this year as my wide receiver three.
18:46Not that there was anything wrong with JSN at all.
18:49It was just, I mean, Amon Ross St. Brown was so obviously, like I think he's graduated to that tier of player.
18:55I did a video on this for my YouTube channel right before the season that like he's, there's no box.
19:01He doesn't check, like, is he the, in hypothetical scenarios where he's going to run the Marvin Harrison Jr.
19:06Route tree? Like, yeah, you don't want him to run that.
19:09Well, okay, great. I don't really want actually anybody to be running that Route tree.
19:14Yeah, I really don't want, I really don't want, I really don't want anybody to be running that Route tree.
19:19So great. Who cares? In every other scenario that Amon Ross St.
19:23Brown actually plays in, he's one of the best wide receivers in football.
19:26Like, he's, this is when I made this point in the video and I'll just say it here.
19:32Like, he's having like a Hall of Fame start to his career.
19:35And this could really be like the cherry on top type season where it becomes obvious for everybody.
19:40So if you took him in the first round of your drafts, congratulations.
19:44He was someone I really wanted actually in our analyst league, did not end up getting.
19:48But elsewhere on the Lions offense, I will say this just about Jamison Williams because I see we've got some comments in
19:55the chat about like J-Mo panic meter incoming. Folks, like this, talk about this is what you signed up for.
20:00I'm sorry. And I know, Hayden, that like J-Mo gets gassed in training camp every single year.
20:05It's the most, it's the number one thing you can ignore in the offseason because they do this every single year.
20:11And then he has the exact same season every single year.
20:14It happens. Every year it's the Dan Campbell gassed him up.
20:17Jared Goff talks him up. Then there's like a little sparkling from internet hipsters about, oh, this is the year he actually
20:24might be the wide receiver one on the team.
20:26I guarantee you will find those tweets. I'm telling you, it happens every year.
20:30And then he has a stretch of games where he does absolutely nothing and all of his haters come out and bag on him.
20:37And then he's going to have a stretch of games where he's a monster and all of his real backers are going
20:43to come and tell you you're a complete dumbass because you don't think he's an elite receiver.
20:48This is just how it goes with Jamison every year.
20:51And the truth is somewhere in the middle. He gets the Jets, the Panthers, the Cardinals and the Packers over the next
20:57four weeks to figure this thing out. He's going to be very volatile.
21:01He's going to finish as like, you know, the wide receiver 25 in fantasy.
21:05If Jared Goff is going to pass for 5,000 yards, which I really do think he's going to be pretty close to that number.
21:12There's going to be games where James Williams has 162 yards.
21:15So you're going to have to live with it.
21:18I will say this about J-Mo. There are bigger and bigger splits with and without Sam Laporta.
21:22Nine games last year plus the week one game.
21:25He's been the wide receiver 43 on wide receiver 54 usage.
21:28His depth of target is 15 yards down the football field.
21:31Without Sam Laporta, he was working a little bit underneath.
21:34So you're talking about the Marvin Harrison route tree.
21:37It's not that drastic, but he is going to be running a little bit more clear out routes, a fewer, fewer like crossing routes.
21:43Obviously, on the all 22 tomorrow, I'll be able to go back and watch exactly what happened tonight.
21:49But I think he's going to be even more volatile as Sam Laporta is out there.
21:53And especially like the pet scene kind of tree thing about like the training bride stuff.
21:58Sam Laporta is going to get his Monroe St.
22:00Brown is going to get his a lot of like over the middle throws in this one.
22:05Especially if you're including those Gibbs targets in this one.
22:08And Jameson Williams, he's just going to have to come down with his big post routes as the season goes.
22:14The good news is he absolutely will. Well, you're just going to have to live with these games where he scores five fantasy points.
22:21Yeah, and I think it will be worth living through.
22:23I mean, you've mentioned some of those upcoming matches.
22:26He's a great buy low. He's a great buy low right now.
22:29If you can, if you're strong enough, right? Like if you're strong enough to do this, I mean, he's definitely a good buy low.
22:36I will say too, the other thing is worth noting about him.
22:40I actually do think Isaac Tesla, who's just going to be on the field, like taking up space.
22:45Had like one little nice catch. It's fine. And like him actually not being somebody that can move inside or be like
22:51more of a true like on ball player for them.
22:54I noticed some more, you know, JMO is playing in the off the ball, playing in the slot a little bit more.
23:00Like his slot percentage in this game is like 26%.
23:03You know, if you go back to some of his early career moments, it's like in the 15% range.
23:08So again, I do think that is helpful for JMO eventually hitting those strides.
23:12Yeah, 18% in 2025, 24% so far this year.
23:15That's a slight move, but it will matter at some point for him to get some of these big plays off.
23:21So yeah, I mean, it just is what it is with JMO.
23:24I do agree with you. He's a buy low.
23:27The Lions, they played what nine quarters, including the overtime game, seven of them.
23:31It's just like pathetic defense, like not even like, you know, kind of questionable defense, like beyond pathetic defense.
23:36So they're going to they're going to have no choice but to get all these guys involved.
23:41I will say Sam Laporte is looking like an awesome pick as well.
23:45I think this is like six for 52 and a touchdown.
23:48Like we can like copy paste that for pretty much the rest of the season.
23:52And I do think that, you know, Dalton Kincaid, Sam Laporte, like Tyler Warren, like he better have a good season because
23:59these guys are hot right behind them. And like, I think that's tight end three, tight end four, tight end five conversation,
24:05like absolutely includes both the tight ends that we saw in this one.
24:09Yeah, Kincaid especially again, I really think he's going to go down as a awesome pick this year.
24:14Maybe one of the best picks you can make.
24:16He just looks so much better, too. I say this a lot, like he did not look physical and like built like
24:22an NFL tight end in his first few seasons.
24:25The PCL and just like, I mean, his leg.
24:28I was so but it's like his legs are were so small in his first few years.
24:32Like now he actually looks like a real boy, like a real NFL tight end.
24:37So he's done. Dude, he's definitely caked up. I'm telling you this.
24:40It makes a big difference. And that's why he's so explosive and easy.
24:44Like these long strides and explosive strides up the seams that you're seeing in this game.
24:48That's stuff that he can actually pull off now on a consistent basis and they can play him more.
24:54Gibbs comes out of this game with 22 touches.
24:56I'm actually feeling OK about 22 touches for Jameer Gibbs 34 in week one.
25:00I know that's great. I don't really want to be seeing 34 touch games for Jameer Gibbs consistently.
25:05So Vika having a couple little moments there in that game.
25:09Cool. That's great. But man, he's going to be an absolute print fest is your Lions games coming up.
25:14Jets, Panthers, Cardinals, as you mentioned before the bye.
25:17Those are all like offenses. I'm going to be wanting to target when they play this Detroit Lions defense there.
25:22There is no doubt about that. Hayden, any other final notes here before we close this one out?
25:27No, I think I think we hit on all of it.
25:31These two defenses can be the entire year. Hopefully you guys got players on both both sides of the ball here.
25:37Yeah, I know feeling pretty good if you got those players on your fantasy teams right now.
25:41All right. That's going to do it for this Yahoo fantasy night cap.
25:45What a game. Really good Thursday night game. Really enjoyed all the points in your lineups.
25:50I hope you guys had a good start to your fantasy weekend.
25:53With that, we will catch you all next time.
25:56All right. Shout out to a great Thursday night football game.
25:59Shout out to Hayden Winks. Appreciate you, man. Now let's toss to Josh Norris and the rest of the week two preview.
26:05Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
26:08Welcome to the Yahoo fantasy podcast presented by Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL.
26:13All season long, Toyota is celebrating the passion, traditions and unforgettable moments that make football America's obsession from fantasy football to every kickoff rivalry and Sunday ritual.
26:20And it is a hell of a day to talk ball.
26:24And joining me to do just that is my good friend, Josh Norris.
26:27Josh, what's going on, buddy? Matt, I have all the answers.
26:30You know, every single thing that we could possibly know for the next 17 weeks, we learned in week one.
26:36Some teams were good. Some teams were bad. And some teams were absolutely abysmal and awful.
26:41And those fans have given up. So I'm excited to talk about it all here today with you.
26:46Oh, good. I'm glad you have all the answers because I feel way less confident heading into week two than I did heading into week one.
26:53And I feel like that probably happens every year.
26:56And yet it's still reality smacks you in the face when you have to adjust.
27:00And maybe we over adjust to what we saw in week one.
27:03That'll be the goal of today's preview show. As we go through the games, we're balancing what were our expectations, what we
27:10saw on Sunday and what might be going forward.
27:12So it's a hell of an exercise. That is for sure.
27:15Here's how it goes on the preview show every single week.
27:19We have Josh's six pack of fantasy questions as we head into every week's slate of games.
27:23Then we have my three games that no one cares about.
27:27But you have to care about something from each of them for fantasy football because that is how it works.
27:32And then we wrap it up with your questions in the Toyota fantasy hotline.
27:36So without any further ado, let's get into it.
27:39Welcome to Josh's six pack of questions. I know you're going to have to get used to it.
27:44It probably took me. It was for last year when we did this with Boone's six pack of questions.
27:49I think like in October, I finally got used to it.
27:52And then it got funny again in December. Or maybe I made a comment about it every single episode.
27:58I don't know. But yes, the pop topic gets you into the mood.
28:02I'm thinking about Colin didn't even like put in the sound effect.
28:05And so every time it comes on, he has to live like crack a can and right at the perfect time with the intro to that.
28:12Anyway, do you want me to lead into the first one here?
28:16Sure. I will just say for Colin's sake, he probably deserves a beer or two during these shows.
28:21I mean, he's got to deal with me all week long.
28:24I think he deserves to pop a couple tops here.
28:27Maybe all six of them. We'll see how the season goes.
28:30I'm surprised if the six pack wasn't empty after watching his Dallas Cowboys play defense last weekend.
28:35But that's a different point for another day. Here we go.
28:38Question number one. Can the Bengals torch the Texans just like the Bills just did?
28:42All right. So the Texans defense last week, Matt, allowed the highest explosive pass play rate in the NFL versus the aforementioned Buffalo Bills offense.
28:49DJ Moore, Don Kincaid and even Khalil Shakir were torching them down the field.
28:53Now they get Jamar Chase, Ante Higgins, and I'll add the offensive line that allowed the lowest pressure rate to a quarterback in the NFL.
29:01Matt, this is certainly not the position that we thought the Texans would be in heading into week two.
29:06They are still favored in this game at home by just two and a half points.
29:11But this Bengals team didn't put their best foot forward.
29:13And we know as deeper we get into the NFL season, the better they look.
29:18And maybe that's here and they can be another kryptonite for that Texans defense.
29:22Perhaps they can. I will lead into my just questions on your question, which is last week we saw the Bills torch the Texans defense.
29:29I think in a very specific way, because this happens, Josh, like in week one where a team comes out and just
29:35looks pretty different than the unit that we saw previously.
29:38And I think catches a team by surprise. And if you're the Houston Texans, you're preparing for the Buffalo Bills in week
29:44one, a team, by the way, that you've had a lot of success against.
29:48It's the same play caller, right, with Joe Brady, head coach now, but he's always been the play caller.
29:54Same quarterback, just different personnel and all that sort of stuff.
29:57You're probably expecting a pretty different offense. Well, there are a couple of different changes with the Buffalo Bills offense.
30:02They played a lot faster. They were 32nd pace of play last year.
30:06They're way up in week one. And also they came out in 13 personnel on 43% of their snaps.
30:11And Dalton Kincaid was obviously a huge factor in that.
30:14Like, I think the Bengals, Josh, actually do have the personnel to play really fast and play a lot of 13 personnel.
30:21I mean, Mike Gusecki, we talked, I think we talked about this on the recap show, but he was pretty awesome in week one for Mike Gusecki.
30:28Like he was really good against those Bucs linebackers.
30:31Alex Anzalone had a tough game overall. You know, Gusecki was used in the slot, the whole deal.
30:36But the Bengals just never really commit to playing that style of football because just like they always do in week one,
30:42they got into a lot of spread stuff and get Joe Burrow in the gun.
30:472.3 seconds time to throw whatever. So I think theoretically they could like, why can't Gusecki do a little bit of an impression of Dalton Kincaid?
30:54They have two guys, I think, that could play in line if they wanted to get into 13 personnel.
30:59But, you know, it's just not really what they ever end up doing.
31:03Totally. And everything that we heard all offseason was, hey, they're going to run more on our center.
31:08And especially play action off of that. And then you go and look at it and they were what, like 22nd or
31:1424th in the rate of under center plays in week one.
31:18So maybe they threw out there, you know, more here in week two.
31:21Again, just the personnel of the Texans defense is a lot better, as we know, than they performed in the first week.
31:28Like Kamari Lasser's worst game, probably. The Texans allowed eight yards per play in week one, the most they've allowed in a game since week 14 of 2021.
31:36I'll add onto this that Joe Burrow is dealing with a back issue after one of his hits.
31:41And, you know, I just want the Bengals to be normal at some point.
31:45Like have a normal start to a season where Jamar Chase, the fourth overall pick in all your drafts, goes out there and scores a dozen points.
31:52But, you know, he did the same thing in week one last year and then blew up immediately in a positive direction for us.
31:59And Matt, I know we actually have a lot to talk about here on the Texans end of this equation, too.
32:05We definitely do. Just real quick, closing the loop on the Bengals here on the Joe Burrow back thing.
32:11And like, I'm sure he'll play in this game and it'll be fine.
32:14But isn't it kind of funny, Josh, that I mean, even there's always like some big media, you know, provocateur talking about
32:21like Joe Burrow is going to get himself out of Cincinnati if he doesn't go well.
32:25Like I saw Russell Wilson, shout out Russell Wilson.
32:28He's our he's our latest big media provocateur on the Sunday shows being like, you know, if it doesn't go well.
32:34And for Cincinnati this year, Joe Burrow is out of there.
32:37I'm like, how about Joe Burrow get into the football game for 17 games during a season?
32:42Wouldn't that be nice? I mean, again, I think he's going to play here most likely.
32:46But that's a big reason why they haven't made the playoffs in three years is Joe Burrow hasn't been consistently available.
32:52And to be honest, this is probably the best environment that he's had since they went to the Super Bowl.
32:58Right. Like they have done everything heading into this year to possibly set them up for a fast start.
33:03All five offensive linemen return again, lowest pressure rate that they allowed in week one.
33:08They have his two best buddies at wide receiver.
33:10And as we saw with the defense last week, that's what won them the game.
33:14That's what kept them in the game versus in previous iterations when the defense or excuse me, when the offense did come
33:21out of the gate slow and the defense couldn't hold up.
33:24They would lose those. And now they're want to know.
33:27And so here's the week for the offense to then set up to the plate against the defense that, again, really, really struggled in week one.
33:34Yeah, I would just keep an eye on the Texans linebackers in coverage.
33:38Henry Tooto is already a guy who's a little bit up and down as a coverage player.
33:43Now he's not available. So that could be an area where Cincinnati picks on this team.
33:47But that would involve like Chase Brown as a receiver, Mike Gusecki again.
33:51So we'll keep an eye on those particular matchups.
33:53Anything else you want to say about the Bengals offense or should we flip it to the other side here?
33:59Let's do the opposite side. Just quickly with CJ Stroud, he opened the game with a fumble and he closed the game with a fumble.
34:06I know there was some really good stuff in between there, but the Bengals this past weekend on defense, again, the much
34:13improved defense, converted a league high 57% of their pressures into sacks in week one.
34:17The league average rate was like 19%. And most importantly, Nico Collins is dealing with a hamstring grade one hamstring strain, not practicing at this point.
34:24A team that also lost, you know, a previous second round pick in the preseason to season ending injury.
34:30So Matt is CJ Stroud walking out there with Dalton Schultz and Xavier Hutchinson and Kayshaun Booty.
34:34Like, how is that going to work? It's probably not going to work.
34:38It would be my answer. I think they're screwed without Nico Collins because the whole theory of the case here, and this
34:44was proven in the first week with the Houston Texans offense, is this passing game is going to kind of be it's
34:51Nico Collins is at the center of the universe.
34:53Everybody orbits around him. And we kind of have like a wide receiver to by committee because I don't think they actually
35:00have a real wide receiver to, especially after Jaden Higgins went down.
35:03I kind of think, I mean, I like Tiggins heading into this year, but it wouldn't have surprised me if it was
35:09still kind of that way too, where guys are rotating in and out for that second receiver spot because they're playing more heavy personnel, all of that.
35:17But, you know, that is what it is. And right now they have, I would guess if Nico Collins doesn't play in
35:23this game, and I would kind of, if I'm, we'll talk about this in the mailbag section, like what wide receivers to use to replace guys with injuries.
35:31I have Nico Collins on some teams. I'm preparing for him to not play in week two, and I'll be pleasantly surprised if he is available to play.
35:39I would guess, Josh, then their three receiver set, which I don't know how often they'll be in three receiver sets, will
35:45be Keichon Booty as the X receiver, which is because he played X for the Patriots last year.
35:51You know, Hutchinson and Noel will kind of be rotating between flanker slot, Noel speed slot flanker, Hutchinson dirty work, big slot flanker type player there.
35:58I mean, we're already here in week two and we're talking about this.
36:02Not great. For a team that has Super Bowl aspirations, it's top.
36:05And, you know, Nico Collins, it feels like he's missed multiple games in every single season.
36:10And on top of this, if you just look at the box score, Dave Montgomery was, again, a big differentiator for them because he scored three touchdowns.
36:17But then if you look at like a per carry basis, was not great.
36:21Hit behind the line of scrimmage quite often. And so you do wonder if that is going to be able to repeat itself every single week.
36:29But they are dang sure going to try again to have Dave Montgomery to be like the focal point of this offense with Nico Collins sideline to.
36:36I thought that we saw a pretty successful ground game.
36:39I thought Woody Marks had a nice contest as well.
36:42Like, I think they're going to have to put the ball in those guys' hands a lot against the Cincinnati Bengals.
36:48Where are you at with the Bengals defense coming?
36:51You mentioned it's improved. I agree. It's like it definitely has improved.
36:54One note, matchup-wise, they played the fourth most man coverage last week, according to Fantasy Points data, did the Cincinnati Bengals.
37:00And you saw that watching the game on Sunday.
37:03One of the few teams that actually ran out a decent bit of man.
37:07And that's just – they have the cornerbacks to do it.
37:10And I talk about this a lot with man coverage.
37:13It's like, it's great if you have the corners to do it, but can everybody else hang with – can the linebackers
37:19cover the running back, the tight ends, the whole deal, like in one-on-one situations?
37:23I actually don't think the Texans prevent or present all that much of a tough matchup in that regard.
37:28Like, are you really scared of David Montgomery or Woody Marks in man coverage?
37:32I don't think so. These tight ends are interesting.
37:35Marlon Klein is an interesting player. He had one really nice reception in week one.
37:39Not too worried about that. So I feel like we'll get a lot of that man coverage once again from Cincinnati here in week two.
37:46Famous last words. I really like how this Bengals defense matches up with the Texans offense.
37:51And that probably hasn't been said since, you know, the big Lou days.
37:54But look, this Texans offensive line still has major question marks.
37:58I thought Trent Brown was, like, really poor in week one.
38:01And then, you know, you have Miles Murphy. You have Boye Maffi coming over from Seattle.
38:05You have Shamar Stewart. You also have Cassius Howell, who's like a pure pin your ears back and get after the passer.
38:12And then if it is to stop the run, Matt, this is exactly the perfect test of why you bring in Dexter Lawrence and Jonathan Allen.
38:19And if you can fix that, then bang, bang, boom, that puts you into, like, pure passing situations.
38:24And that's when the pass rushers get to pin their ears back along with, you know, DJ Turner blanketing one side of
38:30the field with one of these corners or one of these wide receivers.
38:34So, yeah, what can go wrong when you believe in the Bengals defense in week two?
38:39Yeah, what can go wrong? I definitely think, like, Kayshawn Booty is a sneaky start.
38:43It's not something I'm all that into because I think he's just going to get totally sacrificed to DJ Turner here in this one.
38:50This has to be the jail and null time.
38:52I'm sorry. I know this is my priors talking because I like Jalen null, but this is the time to roll him out there.
38:59Like, he has been an effective man coverage receiver.
39:02I've seen it with my eyeballs. He had a couple of nice grabs in week one.
39:06Again, I don't know that you have to be very, very desperate to be considering Jalen null after he ran, like, 30
39:13percent of the routes or something like that. Right.
39:15But you have to tell yourself a story that that's a slow ramp of whatever.
39:19But I just can't. And I don't know who like they're not going to get an explosive play from anybody else in this offense, Josh.
39:27Josh. Well, the other part of that, though, is if they don't believe in their offensive line, wouldn't they just run all
39:33these tight ends out there on the field? Like Foster Moreau and Marlon Klein and Cade Stover and Brevin George.
39:38Like, they have five tight ends on the roster, along with a fullback in British Brooks.
39:43So if they are nervous about the protection help and again, two fumbles by the quarterback last week, I just wonder if
39:49they're going to run even more heavier personnel out of this stuff.
39:53So lots of questions here. Maybe they try to do a New York Giants impression and just squat on the ball and
39:59try to keep the Bengals offense off the field and grind this thing out.
40:03We'll see if it works out for them. But yeah, I mean, the reality is, like, if they don't have Nico Collins, this offense is it's bad.
40:11I hate to say it. All right. Question number two, Josh, where are we going?
40:15Can the Chargers often show up? I mean, it's really simple as that.
40:19It felt like watching a preseason game of the Chargers against the Arizona Cardinals last week.
40:23Mike McDaniel, every single play had a different formation, personnel grouping, alignment, motion, shift, post-snap movement, a wide receiver landmark.
40:29It worked on the opening scripted series because that's what they, you know, orchestrated and tried out over and over and over again in terms of rehearsals.
40:37But then after that, Matt, the Chargers drove more than 24 yards on just two of their remaining nine possessions.
40:42And we don't know about a lot of McConkie in this one.
40:46So it was pure chaos after that first drive.
40:48And I understand this was what Mike McDaniel did in Miami in terms of like the order of operations before and when
40:55the snap, you know, went out there. However, do you have to do that with Justin Herbert as your quarterback?
41:00You had to a two or is this just what we're getting?
41:04And it's going to take like multiple weeks in order for the Chargers offense to actually like get into gear and get in sync and get in rhythm.
41:12A lot of McConkie was working off to the side with a trainer again today with practice.
41:16Like Josh, is it wrong to feel very similarly with the Chargers offenses that I just felt with the Texans offense, which
41:23is without their number one wide receiver? There's a pretty strong drop off to number two and beyond, and they're kind of screwed.
41:29Don't you think you have more though? On the Chargers, like you have at least some degree of explosiveness from Quentin Johnson,
41:36albeit he has his ups and downs. I think Trey Harris is better than any wide receiver on the Houston Texans.
41:42They have all of those tight ends. And then at running back, you have both Amar and Hampton and Keaton Mitchell that should be able to create explosives.
41:50Like that was a big issue for me too.
41:52In this game was the rushing and then also force feeding the running backs.
41:56Week one was the first time Justin Herbert's in his career that he did not have an official target to a running back.
42:03And what do we think of with Mike McDaniel in Miami to the Raheem Mostert days to the Devon Achan days and
42:09everything in between was being able to get the ball into space for the backs.
42:13It felt like nothing worked after that first series, and it was one of the most shocking outcomes to me.
42:19And yeah, again, I have this negative feeling about the offense without Ladd McConkie.
42:23And the reality is also like there's so much nauseating Justin Herbert discussion on the Internet.
42:27It's like I think folks, a quarterback can have a bad game and it doesn't have to be a referendum on who the quarterback is forever and always.
42:35He had a bad game on Sunday, right? Like it was just I watched I watched that game all throughout, watched it back on film.
42:43I don't think he played well. I mean, I just period end of story that but he is still a quarterback that is within our circle of trust.
42:51And this is a matchup that unlike where the Texans are going against this Bengals defense that played really well in week one.
42:57I mean, maybe the Raiders defense is good, but I don't know how to calibrate to them after they played, you know,
43:03the JV team in Miami down down the way this this this past Sunday.
43:07So it is a gettable matchup. Just where do we find the juice to squeeze here?
43:12Again, the markets believe in the Chargers this week.
43:14They did last week as well. So maybe that doesn't mean anything, but they're six and a half point favorites here with a team total of 25.
43:22Like that is the environment that we pray for with all of these teams.
43:26The issue, as you said, is when everything was correct in terms of motions and shifts and everything, Justin Herbert would let them down on certain plays.
43:34And I also thought Cole Strange, the right guard, was one of the worst players I saw in week one out there, too.
43:40And that went to the running game that Chargers running backs rushed for a league low negative 0.13 yards before contact.
43:46Not good. Not why you brought in Mike McDaniel here.
43:49So I need to see something. And it was just very evident watching the Chargers offense, then flipping over and then watching
43:55the Cardinals offense, which was a bit more traditional, but still explosive.
43:59And like down the field and just look composed and they knew exactly what they're doing.
44:03And I would even say it for the Raiders led Clint Kubiak offense, too.
44:07So we just can't have this. Hey, it looks like we're still in preseason activity with Mike McDaniel.
44:13And if it takes until, you know, mid-October to get it correct, man, you might be out of division at that point.
44:19So it needs to work here in week two.
44:21Well, the good news is the Broncos also blew it in week one.
44:25So there's that. But to the Chiefs on top of that.
44:28Yeah, that's a fair point. Yeah, no, they definitely need to get it.
44:32I mean, in hindsight, it's not the most shocking thing if this offense takes a little bit to get going here.
44:38At the same time, like it's a good point to flip it on the Cardinals there and be like, you know what
44:44Jacover said, like just played way better. He was one of the most impressive quarterbacks I watched in week one.
44:50Just ran the system, found layups. The order operations, as you say, was really clean in Arizona.
44:55Like it should be better than this in Los Angeles.
44:58And I at least like Mike McDaniel saying that, you know, they got after it on Monday and tried to make things better.
45:04But it's got to be better. Quick Johnston. Is he a player you'd consider as like a deep star?
45:10If you look at if you look at it, I know you're making the face.
45:14But if you look at his career, he does typically tend to have his best games against the Raiders.
45:19So there is that. QJ is one of those players for us fancy football analysts that when we hype him up and
45:26it doesn't work out a la last week. Hey, the team's projection for 27 points are this many favorites.
45:31If they scored that many points, you have to think that Quentin Johnson had a great day and then he just doesn't do well at all.
45:38The next week, it's so easy to be like, no, actually, I'm not really into the QJ experience.
45:43So, again, maybe it's better to be consistent over time with an albeit inconsistent player because at some points he will have some spiked weeks.
45:51The roller coaster will be up. And, yes, if we follow the math, he should have a very good game here against this Raiders defense.
45:58Just real quick on the Raiders side of things, because you mentioned that offense.
46:02I agree. It felt really good and just clean with Clint Kubiak there.
46:05It looked like a Clint Kubiak offense. You like to see that.
46:09Some of the ancillary players had some nice moments.
46:11Shout out Jack Besh, baby. Let's go. Don't tell me about practice.
46:15All right. We opened last week's show with Jack Besh.
46:18That's right. I mean, that's that's I was like, Josh, you belong, baby.
46:21You're talking. You're talking Jack Besh week one, heading into it, gets the touchdown right away.
46:26I mean, he's still probably still a part time player, not somebody you can really consider in fantasy, but a useful player for the Las Vegas Raiders.
46:34That's good to see. But they utilized him in the correct way, Matt, which I think is important.
46:39Like, that's a good note for Clint Kubiak, where the previous, if we want to call it regime for how long they
46:45lasted there, line him up on the outside and ask him to run like downfield routes versus, hey, let's get Jack Besh
46:51like close to the formation and get him over the middle of the field.
46:55I think he ran zero go routes in week one, which was a welcome sight when it was like 15 percent in his first season.
47:02Just I still I'll never let that go. How how absolutely bizarre that was.
47:06But, yeah, they utilized him in the correct way.
47:09Trey Tucker was, again, that vertical stretch receiver. Michael Mayer was doing the Michael Mayer things.
47:13Do you have any sense on if Brock Bauer is going to play in this game?
47:18If Brock Bauer is out there? I mean, he's obviously an auto start.
47:22You know, any any sense there? This is one of those.
47:25And look, I don't have the information that they do, but I want Brock Bauer to sit for one extra game for
47:31when the Raiders think that he's healthy enough. Like if they think he's healthy in this week.
47:36OK, sit him for this week and play in the next week.
47:39It's really that simple. Why rush the dude? Why rush him right now?
47:43You already won last week, so you're kind of ahead of schedule in this moment.
47:47I want to add something here with the Chargers, even though it has something to do with the Raiders offense.
47:53Jesse Minter leaving this Chargers defense made them look a lot different.
47:57You know, the personnel is somewhat the same. I mean, you did have to bring in a key mesador to replace Odafi Owe.
48:03But I mean, Jesse Minter is one of those guys that is an elevator, right?
48:07He makes good players into great players, average players and role players into good players.
48:12And what we saw from the Chargers last week, they kind of looked older and slower and maybe didn't have the same
48:18punch and pizzazz as they had under Jesse Minter.
48:20So that is something on my mind here with this Chargers team that we all said, oh, if it's just Mike McDaniel
48:27coming in, they might be a playoff or Super Bowl contender.
48:30They didn't look like it on either side of the ball, too.
48:33Yeah, no, I did have big questions about that Chargers defense.
48:36I will say just watching the tape of that game, I didn't think they were terrible coverage-wise.
48:41I just think Arizona put them in a lot of tough situations.
48:45They chose to bracket and cloud cover Marvin Harrison all game except for one snap, essentially, where he got the go-round.
48:51It's like, well, then Jacoby Reset just took these little hitches and quick access throws to Kendrick Bourne over and over and over again.
48:57And obviously, Trey McBride had some real nice wins overall.
49:00So I am interested to see what they look like in this game.
49:04This will be a big recalibration game for the Chargers on both sides of the ball, for sure.
49:09And last thing, shout out Ashton Gentry. Preseason training camp injuries don't matter at all.
49:1329 opportunities in week number one, which was bested by Jameer Gibbs, Bijon Robinson, and tied with Kenneth Walker among running backs.
49:20So I feel like if you have Ashton Gentry, if you took the injury discount, you're feeling pretty good about where he is at right now.
49:27Okay, let's get to your third question heading into week two.
49:30Can Basial Tootin continue to stack games versus the defense last week that led the league in missed tackles?
49:36So for Basial Tootin, he had the third most forced missed tackles in week one, according to PFF, at seven at the running back position.
49:43And for as much as Liam Cohen this offseason talked about creating yards on your own, he had to love what he saw from Basial Tootin.
49:50I mean, there was a number of plays the left side and the right side that he would avoid an arm tackle
49:56in the backfield, get to the second level, you know, break a tackle there and then fall forward on final contact for an extra two to three yards.
50:04That's all we're asking for here, at least for me in the early season with Basial Tootin, like stack these weeks, stack these types of performances.
50:12The question is if he can do that against the Denver Broncos, again, who missed the most tackles in week one, albeit
50:18they face, you know, the immortal, the God that is Ken Walker, the third.
50:22I mean, he accounted for like 12 or the 14 of the 28 missed tackles that the Broncos had last week.
50:28So do they rebound or Matt, is this just a nice another feather in the cap of Basial Tootin on way to
50:34really being undeniable in people's fancy lineups and in this Jaguars backfield?
50:38I guess he didn't have like a monster day necessarily from a fantasy standpoint, but I am kind of surprised that there
50:44hasn't been more excitement about the way Basial Tootin played in week one.
50:48Like I know we briefly talked about this on stats versus film, which by the way, if you haven't checked it out,
50:54of course, check it out on the Josh and Hayden YouTube channel.
50:57If you're watching this on the Josh and Hayden YouTube channel, you can go pop over there and check it out.
51:03If you've ever watched a Marvel movie and been like, I wish that there was something this long, but about football, it's the program for you.
51:11Okay. Made for sickos, made by sickos. There's your tagline.
51:14So kind of you. So kind. It's a great.
51:16Listen, I love being a part of it. But again, one of the things that we briefly touched on was Basial Tootin.
51:23I thought going back and rewatching the offense, I thought he played extremely well.
51:26A lot of the notes that you had there, I shared as well.
51:30Now, Cleveland is Cleveland. But yeah, Denver, one of the most shocking.
51:34It's like, again, the defense almost gets a pass because of how bad the offense was, but missed 28 tackles against Kansas
51:40City Chiefs, allowing 247 yards after missed tackles. The most allowed by any defense in a game since at least 2018, as
51:46we're showing on the screen right now. Eight different defenders missed multiple tackles on the night.
51:51That's crazy. That's probably not going to happen two weeks in a row.
51:54I would be shocked like a Vance Joseph unit that's got a lot of players that we like and respect.
52:00But still, I think Basial Tootin and that offense coming in here, there's a lot of actually mismatches that favor Jacksonville against that Denver defense.
52:07Specifically, like how much man coverage Denver will play.
52:10Trevor Lawrence and Parker Washington in particular were awesome against man coverage in week one.
52:14Parker had the touchdown from the slot on the corner route against man coverage.
52:18He had another one where he was lined up as the isolated receiver on ball on the left side where it was
52:24like a big in route off play action. And then the third, like another reception was just like on a quicker out route.
52:31And I mean, he just all three receiver positions.
52:33He was great from it. They ran out the 30th amount of percentage of plays with three plus receivers.
52:39Parker wasn't like a full full time players, but 72% of the snaps in the first three quarters.
52:44But he matches up really well. Obviously, Jacob Myers can be awesome.
52:47And all that heavy personnel they can throw at you too, which they did in week one.
52:52A lot of mismatches there as well in favor of Jacksonville.
52:55Okay, a few things there. One, Colin, if you ever put up Hayden Wink's tweet on Basial Tootin, just know it's going to be negative.
53:03That's the bias. Okay. He even because on stats versus film, you were there when we talked about him.
53:08And then on the running back ranking show, he's like, actually, I rewatched it and I was too negative.
53:13Okay, so we won. We won that battle. We haven't won the war yet with Basial Tootin and Hayden Winks.
53:19Two, you brought up Parker Washington last year against this Denver Broncos defense when they were playing very well.
53:24Ten targets, six receptions, 145 yards and one touchdown.
53:27So to me, Matt, he is one of those players right now that is matchup proof.
53:32Just stick them in your wide receiver three spot.
53:34Heck, even wide receiver two and especially your flex.
53:37And let's roll and let's boogie with Parker Washington.
53:39And I love that the Jaguars were in 12 personnel for a league high 39% of their snaps in week one.
53:45Borkercher was a part of the rushing attack in terms of run blocking.
53:49And then that also activates someone like Britton Strange over the middle of the field, too, as a funneled pass catcher.
53:55So there's a whole bunch of things to hit on there.
53:58But I'm optimistic about this Jaguars offense and what they can do against Denver.
54:02The markets are not. The markets have this one heavily in favor of the Broncos with the Jaguars only projected for 21 and a quarter points.
54:09Well, last week, one of us on this show, we won't say who really disagreed with the markets on a particular contest
54:16and was proven mega, mega wrong by that. So we won't be taking any shots at the market on this week's Yahoo fantasy forecast preview show.
54:23But regardless, we'll move along from there. You know who gets the benefit from all this good stuff that we're talking about right now?
54:30The man we're showing on the screen. Okay, Trevor Lawrence.
54:33I mean, it's almost like you want to jump through the table for this guy, right, Josh?
54:38I mean, he just he looked he was also awesome in week one.
54:41I mean, I have so many positive Jaguars notes, the arm strength to get the football down the field, pushing it.
54:47He he really looks like the guy right now.
54:50I love the way this offense is constructed. They were number one in my static score, which is just like a blend
54:56of all of the cool, fun things we like right now from among play callers.
55:00The heavy personnel, the motion, the under center, the play action, all that stuff.
55:04I mean, I think Trevor Lawrence, I don't care about the matchup.
55:08I don't care about these projections that we're showing on the screen right now.
55:12He would be a top six quarterback on the slate for me heading into this game.
55:16I'm in on Parker Washington. The one thing I'm curious about with just the receiver room, and I mean, this wouldn't stop
55:23me from making any lineup decisions about any of these receivers.
55:26But, you know, last year, you could probably argue that like Parker Washington caught this team by surprise.
55:31They were like, all right, we're going to guard Brian Thomas Jr.
55:34with Patrick Sertan every single snap. And they obviously paid for that in that particular football game.
55:39You wonder if they change things up defensively this time, but they move Parker around to so many different spots.
55:45It's tough to do that with this guy. On the spectrum of sacrificial to designated, where does Brian Thomas Jr.
55:51fit on the X receiver platform? Well, he's kind of like he's kind of both.
55:55You know, he's kind of in the overlap right now based on the week one usage, right?
56:00Like because the route tree was pretty sacrificial and the role was pretty designated.
56:04And I still feel like you're not fully grasping the difference between the two, Josh.
56:08No, you're just trying to do a rebrand because sacrificial has a negative connotation to it.
56:13And and and you designate it is not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
56:18Josh, Josh, Josh, designated is is also not great either.
56:21Their designated X is like what I've always wanted to see.
56:24And this is kind of like a like a Josh Downs thing, for example.
56:28Right. In a theoretical world, could you have, you know, like the little tiny guy like that, the Parker Washington.
56:33Can he be the Z and two receiver sets and Jacoby Myers is the X and two receiver sets?
56:39And then they bring on the designated X for three receiver sets.
56:42It's just it's it's more like a part time thing.
56:45You're just not on the field for every single snap so that that way you can.
56:50And now you in three receiver sets, you kick Parker into the slot and Jacoby Myers kicks over to Z.
56:55And then you bring in a designated X for those three receiver sets.
56:59You see what I'm saying? Like two different versions of the we only sort of kind of like this X receiver archetype.
57:05Yes. My interpretation of it was you hated getting quote tweeted or added whenever a head coach or play caller said, hey,
57:12this guy's going to play X for us. And everyone just met that with doom and gloom.
57:16And it was, hey, X receiver can actually be good on a team.
57:20Well, I hate that, too. But I mean, that's not but they're calling a guy designated X is also not like the that doesn't solve the problem.
57:28So, yes. No, this is. This is it. Yes.
57:30See, this is what I'm saying. The route tree.
57:33We got this. We got stats on the screen from Ian Harditz.
57:36Sacrificial field stretchers, wide receivers in week one. These dudes had the highest average route depth based on where they've made their first cut PFF.
57:43Number two on the list is Brian Thomas Jr.
57:46By the way, Jahan Dotson is wide receiver one.
57:49Like that hurts my feelings. Okay. Jahan Dotson, the sacrificial.
57:51Like how is John Dotson a sacrificial player? This is so bizarre.
57:55But he kind of has been throughout the course of his career, obviously.
57:59So, yeah, Brian Thomas Jr. is just in that tough spot right now where he's a pure boom bust fantasy play.
58:05I am at least the designated X part of it.
58:07Josh, I do think could change at some point and he could just be on the field more.
58:13I do wonder if they're just they're being cautious with this like shoulder injury that is continuing to bother him.
58:18I think that is complicated for BTJ as a fantasy play right now.
58:22Am I just allowed to say he's not a great fit in what Liam Cohen wants to do?
58:27Like, yeah, everything so so perfectly designed crossing routes over the middle of the field, all that type of stuff.
58:33And BTJ, just as we have seen, maybe that's not his best attribute.
58:36So or at the very least. There are better players on the roster that are better in that area than he is.
58:43Yeah, and I thought he was good in week one.
58:46Like I thought in isolation he played well. Like he thought I thought he played better than he did in last year in last season.
58:53Yeah, I mean, it's just difficult with him because I think there's a lot of things that can be true, which is
58:59that I think his rookie season was a little bit overinflated and he was also a very volatile prospect.
59:04And he ran really hot in his first season.
59:07And now he's run really cold in his second season.
59:10And now he might run lukewarm in his third season.
59:13Essentially, that's what happens to these volatile players. Is his career path, other than the injuries, somewhat similar to like Christian Watson,
59:19who ran super hot during that rookie season and then kind of.
59:22Yeah. What? What's up? Oh, you know, you know why the player I compared him to as a prospect was like the actualized version of Christian Watson.
59:30So, you know, there you go. Yeah. There you go.
59:33All right. I think that's I think I think that's right.
59:36No, but there's probably like another act for him.
59:39Just like Christian Watson and like he got he got really going in that fourth season.
59:43And I think there can be more to BTJ's game, but the nagging injuries are going to be just the thing that
59:49I think ruins this season for him. But I'm glad the good thing I think we can take away from this conversation
59:56besides BTJ doom and gloom is that we both really like Basial Tootin.
59:59And I think we're feeling we're feeling pretty good about that, even if Hayden Winks is trying to rain on the parade.
60:06Yeah. The only thing with Basial Tootin is a lot of the early work he had to do was make people or run around them in the backfield.
60:14Like this Jaguars offensive line is not great. And so that still might be, you know, a hindrance to him long term.
60:20And that's why maybe when he has a good game, it might not show up in the fantasy box score as a good game.
60:27But just overall, I didn't want him to fall flat in his face early in the season, because if he did fall
60:33flat in his face, then like that's when Chris Rodriguez becomes the dependable, hyper efficient guy that has a relationship with with Liam Cohen.
60:40So the longer we can like stiff arm that away, the more runway Basial Tootin gets to possibly be like the real
60:46number one running back on this team. All right, let's get to your fourth question here heading into week two.
60:52Okay. What wins? Pathetic defense or pathetic quarterback play?
60:54All right. So this is about the Carolina Panthers and their pathetic defense from week one.
60:59And let's say in the playoff game last year against the LA Rams, or is it the pathetic quarterback play that we're expecting?
61:05For the Atlanta Falcons. Now, this one's still a little bit in the air.
61:09We're recording this on Thursday afternoon. Cooper Rush, I think, has taken the snaps.
61:13I mean, this was a hilarious drill, by the way.
61:16I mean, just talk about like poor optics. I mean, it's like the galloping quarterbacks.
61:21Like, come on. Anyways, it seems like Cooper Rush is still going to be the starter for this team.
61:26Michael Penix has been practicing in full, but he's been like throwing to the twos and working on a side field.
61:32And it also seems totally up to Michael Penix if he is going to play.
61:36And Michael Penix understands that, hey, this is the last chance I'm going to get.
61:40But, which, by the way, when he faced the Panthers last year, he threw a pick six and like lost 30 to
61:47nothing, I believe, or something like that. Anyways. So, yeah, Matt, which one wins out?
61:51What you saw in week one from the Falcons offense or this Panthers defense that has better personnel than definitely what they put on the field out there?
61:59Yeah, I know you slammed Jira Everett pretty hard, and I think obviously you deserve it.
62:04You almost let up 60 points. Ben Johnson said he really wanted to go for 60 points in that game.
62:09I kind of wish he had just so we can call it a flat 60.
62:14I think I'll take what was a pathetic defense in week one over – I mean, I really just don't see a
62:20path forward for the Atlanta Falcons with Cooper Rush or, you know, unless Jack Strand is like a secret superstar or something.
62:26And even Michael Penix, it's like his first game back off of an ACL injury, and like he's supposed to be the savior.
62:33And it's like it's Michael Penix. It wasn't even a great consistent starter.
62:36Like, Penix will be good enough to save London to a degree.
62:40Well, I think it'll be enough to save Drake London, and he'll be enough to save Kyle Pitts to a degree.
62:46But even that, it's like I would still take the Panthers defense over the Falcons offense in that scenario.
62:51I don't really know what I'm supposed to say positive about what I saw from Atlanta in week one other than, oh, boy.
62:58Like, B. John Robinson is a great – is an elite running back and a PPR scam.
63:03Like, that's wonderful. That's it. It's B. John Robinson legit taking wide receiver snaps and getting screens from there and then making
63:09four people miss on every single carry, which, by the way, the Panthers defense was horrible at tackling running backs last week.
63:15But it truly is one of those things. If Cooper Rush plays and you keep B.
63:20John Robinson to a good day, then you should still win because they can't function outside of that.
63:25Like, Matt, I don't even know if you even looked at the Drake London usage where he was lining up or if
63:31it was kind of pointless and pathetic to do so.
63:34Yeah. I mean, I don't even know if it's worth it because, to me, it's going to be different once Michael Penix gets in there.
63:41And then Cal Pitts had a 50-plus yard gain down the field, down the seam, and beating Jalen Ramsey.
63:46And Cooper Rush underthrows him by about 10 yards, and it goes incomplete because of it.
63:51So it's – I mean, if Cooper Rush plays and the Panthers allow Drake London to get nine targets, five receptions, and 73 yards, I think they lose.
63:59I will have stomached the Drake London Falcons film by Friday evening, and I'll have that in my charting notebook.
64:05I haven't been able to stomach it yet because I actually do think it matters.
64:09I mean, it's 50 – oh, my God, it's 56 snaps.
64:12I got to watch 56 snaps of the week one Falcons.
64:15Don't you think this projection is aggressive? Yeah. If it's Cooper Rush, bro, it's definitely aggressive.
64:20If I had Drake London on a fantasy team, and I have at least – I am on one team that I
64:26drafted way too – at the Fantasy Football Expo.
64:29So it was like in July where I hadn't fully quite realized like how in trouble we were about the Falcons quarterback situation.
64:35Oh, my God. I would feel great if I got out of that game with five catches for 76 yards.
64:41I'd feel great about that. But, yeah, I actually do think it does matter the fact that Drake London lined up out
64:47wide on 84% of his snaps and that he was kind of used in a way that even when Michael Penix is
64:53going to get back, it's going to be very volatile in that usage.
64:57Can I quickly talk – ask you about the Panthers side of things?
65:01Like on the – if we're playing some believe or make-believe, Josh, do you believe or is it make-believe what you saw
65:07in week one with Bryce Young, your boy? Oh, I mean, I believe it.
65:11This was the reason why they made the change from Dave Canales to Brad Idzik was to be aggressive from the first
65:17quarter of the first game rather than legitimately wait until week 11 of last season before they threw the ball down the field.
65:24It just took way too long last year. We called it out in Stats for his film.
65:29Well, I did. Hayden could care less. And this is like where Bryce is at his best is actually attacking down the field.
65:35He obviously does not have the strongest arm. But hey – excuse me, I called you Hayden.
65:40But Matt, he reads the field. He sees the field.
65:43And he will willingly take these shots down the field on top of it.
65:47So they can go spread. I think they can go condensed.
65:50They can do some play action stuff on top of it.
65:53They can move him around. And I just think Canales was way too tentative.
65:57And on top of that, that is more difficult to do when you just have Ted Aron McMillan and then you have
66:03like Hunter Renfro and Xavier Leggett as your wide receiver one and two.
66:07It took I think until week eight of last season for Jalen Coker to play over 60% of the snaps.
66:13And so if you have T-Mac and Jalen Coker out there, you can attack every single blade of grass.
66:18I was a very – I mean people were just like not open to the Panthers' offense at all in fantasy football this season.
66:25And like I get it from what Bryce Young has shown.
66:28But again, we agree too much. Like I shared a lot of those same notes about Brad Edzik.
66:33And like that is why they – I mean listen.
66:36We know we share some notes here on the Carolina Panthers and the whole deal.
66:41But I will never admit to it. But there's just a little hint at it.
66:45Like this is why they wanted to make that change for sure.
66:48And a lot of pretty interesting changes schematically in week one in addition to the success.
66:53Their play action went from 21st in 2025 to fifth in week one.
66:56So static score 23 to 15. Their pace score went from 30 to five.
67:00Like big improvements in week one for the Carolina Panthers.
67:03So I think there is some sustainability to the Bryce Young just playing a little bit more like Alabama Bryce.
67:09And letting that thing fly down to two big boy really good wide receivers.
67:13Okay, question number five. What do we got heading into week two?
67:16Okay, we got to confirm my priors or at least pray for them.
67:20Is this the breakout spot for the Eagles running game?
67:23And I mean Saquon Barkley. They get the Tennessee Titans in week two.
67:27They are seven point favorites in week one against the Washington Commanders.
67:30He was hit behind the line of scrimmage on seven of his opening 12 runs.
67:34Landon Dickerson basically benched himself and put himself on IR.
67:37He was also one of the worst players I saw in week one.
67:41It's tough because, you know, he's been part of Super Bowl teams and all that.
67:45But he's been banged up. He's been unhealthy. So they'll have a new left guard in there.
67:50Matt, the age old saying of you're only as good as your weakest link.
67:54I think that is probably going to be true here, especially for, you know, a rushing scheme that is new and on top of it.
68:01So I am still believing that Saquon Barkley is going to pay off in a big way.
68:06Week one did not look good in that department.
68:09I still think Saquon as an individual looks good.
68:11And I'm just hoping for competent to good offensive line play in all five spots in front of him.
68:17And this is the opportunity to do that against the Titans.
68:20Yeah, this is definitely the opportunity to do it.
68:22Can I address just the Jeffrey Simmons quote we're showing on the screen here about we just need to make Jalen Hurts be a QB?
68:29I think Jeffrey Simmons is an elite NFL player and is fantastic at his job.
68:34I would have said a different quote just considering what's going on on his team right now from an offensive standpoint.
68:40I would have maybe considered a different quote. But anyways, I just yeah, I think it's going to work out for the
68:46Eagles in this game and the next game because they're playing the Titans and the Bears.
68:50I don't know if it's going to work out long term for their run game, Josh, but I almost kind of think
68:57we really will have to do a good job divorcing the results from what it looks like on tape for this Eagles
69:03team, which you kind of sort of had to do in week one anyways.
69:07Like, listen, I'll say this even if and we're going to talk about Don Tavian Wicks in the mailbag segment.
69:13I'll even say this as a Wicks guy, like a little bit of a lucky week one result there for him.
69:19He catches the clear out route and then he routes up Mikey Sanders still puts him in a blender, which is great.
69:25I love being able to talk positively about Don Tavian Wicks, but they're kind of going through some transitions with the tight ends.
69:31They're like Grand Capeterra is on IR. Eli Stowers doesn't exist and he's on IR.
69:36I mean, at this point, like they're they're going to be like a three receiver team, which I don't think was really like their ideal outcome.
69:43So I feel like we'll have to do it.
69:46I mean, I'm confident in Barkley and I'm confident the run game results wise will be good.
69:51But process wise, Josh, I still think it might be a little bit of a work in progress.
69:56So the Eagles face third down on a league high 70 percent of their runs, excuse me, of their sets of downs in week one.
70:03The league average was about 44 percent. So that's a negative.
70:06We don't want to see as many third downs.
70:09But on the positive end for Saquon, he still accounted for 80 percent of the backfield touches, which was running back six across the league.
70:16You know, we always talk about the Vikings defense and Brian Flores being difficult to run on.
70:20I wonder as we go through the season, Matt, if we're going to say the same thing about the Washington commanders defense
70:27that the Eagles face in week one because of Durante Jones and where he derives his scheme from of how, you know,
70:33they muddy all the gaps and cause some havoc up front.
70:36Again, especially with the new blocking scheme. I think the Eagles know what they're getting at this Titans defensive line.
70:42And especially I think last week with the Jets, they had one drive where they ran the ball like 14 plays out
70:48of 19 on a singular drive that ended in a field goal.
70:52I would love 10 Saquon Barkley runs on on one drive.
70:55I will easily take that this week. You know, we know you would.
70:58I mean, this is this is one of your big flagplanes of the year, Josh.
71:03Landon Dickerson, you got to hope you got to hope it's addition by subtraction there for a guy who's been a really good player.
71:09So we will definitely be monitoring that situation. But I would be starting Eagles players with confidence this week.
71:15Devontae Smith included, who even said after the game, like they shaded a lot of coverage his way and that his other guys made plays.
71:22I think he's going to have a big week to against this Titans defense.
71:26Your sixth question is about the New Orleans Saints.
71:29I'll just quickly note this is not the guy we're talking about, but Chris Olave popped up on the injury report of the hamstring today.
71:36According to Nick Underhill, it's not expected to be a problem, just a precautionary measure.
71:40So that's good because my God, Chris Olave was absolutely cooking in week one, but it was a little bit cooking, medical
71:46tent, cooking, medical tent, cooking, medical tent. So we'll see about that.
71:50But otherwise, really good spot for Chris Olave in fantasy the rest of the way.
71:54He's going to be at one of the best picks I think you could make if he can stay healthy.
72:00But Josh, what is your sixth question heading into week two?
72:03Yeah, what's going on in the Saints backfield? Travis Adrian got a ton of money from New Orleans and for agency.
72:09Then in week one, he played running back 18 in terms of snap percentages.
72:13He ran a route on only 39 percent of dropbacks, which was running back 24 across the league.
72:18I gave my theory on like the week one weirdness.
72:21I kind of wonder if he's dealing with something on top of this.
72:24Kendra Miller had both touches from the backfield inside the 10 yard line, and he converted one of them into an eight yard touchdown.
72:31That's tough. And the only way that Travis HN got home was they realized he could catch the football in the second
72:38half and the Lions defense isn't that good. Now you get the Baltimore Ravens who look unreal on both sides of the
72:44ball, especially on defense under Jesse mentor. And you're not going to have that availability of, hey, we're going to not do
72:50well and start out slow in the first half and then turn on the second half.
72:55So this Travis HN thing, if it still is like a split backfield in week two, Matt, this already looks like one
73:01of the worst picks on the board. I think, oh, if this holds up, it's brutal for Travis HN.
73:06Mikel Moore, as we're showing on the screen here, says it's important to rotate these guys.
73:11It could just be like, hey, we're starting we're starting this way and it doesn't hold up this way.
73:16Right. Like that's very live for this. But I also kind of wonder if they just like these other running backs, you
73:23know, like Kendra Miller is a guy that's talented and has, you know, wasn't a fan with the Dennis Allen staff.
73:29But at the same time, like was a, you know, a talented player and I thought, you know, has had some moments when he's been available.
73:36So there's definitely like what's your level of panic if you have Travis HN right now?
73:40I admittedly didn't draft. I don't think a single Travis HN team, so I haven't really thought about this.
73:46But what's your level of panic on him right now?
73:49Yeah, I mean, we had a show in preseason where it was about eight players that Hayden, I disagree on the most.
73:55Travis HN was one of those. He loved him.
73:58I was kind of sour on it. And one of the reasons was I think kind of like luck boxed into a whole bunch of points last season.
74:06Per Rich Rebar, the worksheet, Travis HN led all players last season and fancy points scored when the drive started on the opponent's side of the field.
74:13And we know the Jaguars created a lot of turnovers last year at 82 points.
74:18The next closest was Jonathan Taylor at 52 points.
74:20That means Travis HN scored 30 more points in the next closest player just based on where the drive started after a turnover.
74:27So, yeah, I think he's an OK talent that has gotten by based on like a pure and huge amount of volume.
74:33And if he's not getting as much volume on the team, albeit they were in 91 plays and even half of that is still a lot.
74:40That's just not what people signed up for after looking at his contract.
74:44And a lot of the justification I've heard was like, well, they paid him all that money.
74:49Like they'll start giving him touches soon. It's like, well, NFL teams do weird stuff all the time.
74:54I don't love appealing to the contract once we are into the season, you know, once we've already seen a little bit of rotation.
75:01So I'm very fascinated to see if Alvin Kamara can play in this game and like what role he eventually has in this whole rotation as well.
75:09So I don't want to say it's totally over for Travis HN because I actually do think he's a perfectly solid NFL back.
75:15And this is an offense I want to be exposed to, but could end up certainly going down if this is the rotation as a small loss player.
75:23So very fascinated to watch him here in this week to slate of games.
75:27OK, we're going to take a quick break. We come back.
75:30We're talking about no one's games of the week.
75:33We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back and let's get into it.
75:37Welcome to no one's games of the week. Like, it just really gets you in the mood to talk some football, doesn't it?
75:44Remember, folks, this is the segment for sickos. This is where we talk about the three worst games on the slate and
75:50why you should care about it from a fantasy football standpoint.
75:53Let's start off with a team that was in the Super Bowl last year.
75:57Josh Steelers at Patriots, I think, has to count as one of the no one's games of the week because I can't
76:04find like a single fantasy football analyst. It's like, well, here's what's going on in the Steelers that you need to care about.
76:10So curious if you have anything there. And then there's a lot going on, actually, with the New England Patriots.
76:16So, Josh, Steelers thoughts. Well, on Steelers thoughts, you know, for a team that brought in Rico Dowdle and had Jalen Warren on the roster, they were what?
76:24Top three in neutral pass rate in week one.
76:26And yeah, I mean, DK Metcalf having all the air yards and little production to show for it.
76:31Some of it his fault with OPI, some of it the defensive spot with DPIs and some of it just, you know, missed targets.
76:38And then you have Pat Frymuth popping up as like a real deal tied in.
76:43I think people should be taking seriously in leagues out there.
76:46And they're going to, you know, reshuffle some offensive linemen here and there.
76:49I don't know, Matt. It feels like the Patriots just played like three weeks ago.
76:54And so they've almost been forgotten about how bad that ended when, you know, Drake may threw the game away, at least
77:00to send it to overtime with a field goal.
77:02And now you get the Steelers defense, which, yes, they're facing Cooper Rush, but you have some really fun pieces.
77:08And TJ Watt, Alex Highsmith, like Herbig is playing some linebacker on top of this now, too.
77:13So they're going to put it on these tackles and the offensive line in order for, you know, the Steelers to have a chance.
77:20On the Steelers offense, by the way, just to put some of the numbers behind what Josh was talking about here.
77:26Second in pass rate over expectation, seventh in seconds per play, 32nd in rate of motion overall.
77:31So we've got a 16th in three plus wide receiver sets.
77:34This is just this is this is Green Bay circa what?
77:372014, 2015. And that's what we've got here. Nate had a full crash out.
77:41I'll call it. I'll call like 75 percent of a crash out on today's preview show for Football 301.
77:46Just about why this team is it's it's built to be like a ground and pound run team.
77:51And and yet and yet that's what they're doing.
77:54So he was pretty upset about that. So you guys can go check that out for more Steelers thoughts.
77:59But it's just bizarre, too, because to Nate's point, like the way they're structuring the passing game, it's like we got it.
78:06We got like get guys in space, get yards after catch.
78:09And they don't have any yards after catch receivers.
78:11It's quite strange. And in this one, DK Metcalf and Christian Gonzalez are going to be seeing each other a whole bunch.
78:18So like your secondary and tertiary pass catchers are really going to need to step up here.
78:23So is it Michael Pittman who you're about to say?
78:25Is it Pat Frymuth? Don't tell me it's any of the other names unless we're talking Jeremy Bernard.
78:31But he barely played. And we barely played. And yeah, Roman Wilson.
78:34OK, I mean, it's no. It's no. Yeah, it's such this offense is just.
78:38And like, I don't think you can start either one of the running backs either when they're second in pass rate or expected.
78:44The only way there's going to be a fantasy viable starter here is if one of these guys gets hurt.
78:50And like, that's unfortunate to say it's crazy. OK, Patriots side of things.
78:54The Steelers defense played 100 percent of their snaps in zone coverage in week one.
78:58100 percent of their snaps in zone coverage in week one.
79:01And I think that's really tough for this team.
79:04Obviously, not having A.J. Brown for four to six weeks is going to be tough no matter what.
79:09But I think it's really difficult against this group of receivers here because, man, Josh, the receiver play was so slight.
79:15It was sloppy in week one for this team.
79:18And like Pop Douglas has always been a guy that is a better man beater than a zone beater, which is why
79:24he's like an odd fit as a high volume slot receiver.
79:27I think just Matt Collins is Matt Collins. Like Romeo Dobbs is another guy that's better in these like one on one isolated situations.
79:34They're kind of moving him all around. I think the Patriots offense is going to hit a real slog in this game
79:40unless Travian Henderson can come back and like really form a dynamic one to punch with her.
79:45Monterrey Stevenson. Yeah, I mean, look, Drake may led the NFL in what 10, 20 plus yard passes last year in terms
79:51of the rate that they were successful. And that was with a whole bunch of nobodies.
79:56And you bring in A.J. Brown, you're like, oh, yeah, we can just do that again.
80:00Matt, it's not that easy when you play, you know, the easiest schedule last year.
80:05And it's just not going to be sticky. Romeo Dobbs up here.
80:08If A.J. Brown was healthy, Romeo Dobbs wouldn't be playing.
80:11I mean, that was the other huge revelation from week one of, hey, we pay this guy money.
80:16And yet he's like a very, very, very part time player.
80:19So he has to step up and win in a big way.
80:22And when the ball's thrown in his direction, actually hold on to it here.
80:26So I'm fascinated to see if Josh McDaniels has changed some things after their week one performance.
80:31Because, Matt, I don't know if you saw this, too.
80:34There were some pitchforks already out for Josh McDaniels after week one.
80:38And I also want to say, like, hey, that was a Seahawks defense.
80:41So things can get back on track here in a hurry in week two.
80:45It can. And I just wonder if they have the personnel to do it.
80:49And I don't know if I try. I'm a little concerned about Josh McDaniels at this point.
80:54Like, it just it feels like a very like none of it's like, oh, my God, I can't believe you're running this stuff.
81:01It's just very it's a little stale at this stage.
81:04And especially with the receiver usage and without A.J.
81:06Brown, like that. You're right. That was the bet was we're just going to run everything back.
81:11But we're going to have A.J. Brown now. And now they don't have A.J.
81:15Brown. And I'm like, I have Drake May on one fantasy team where admittedly it was a slow draft.
81:20And I timed out on the clock. OK, so that I ended up with Drake May.
81:25I'm like, I think I picked up Jordan Love off the waiver wire.
81:29I'm going to start Jordan Love over Drake May in week two.
81:32I wanted to bring this up in the expert draft that we had in the expert league.
81:37I have already thought about this in moments like in the shower before going to bed of there was a 2v2 that
81:43I had that I was at the turn. That's what you're thinking about?
81:47I'm going to take him like Lamar, Lamar Jackson and a tight end.
81:51And instead, I took Sam Laporta and then Drake May.
81:53So I could have Lamar Jackson instead of Drake May.
81:56But I prioritize the tight end. And let's say some regrets are being had at this moment.
82:01Perhaps. So what we're saying is Max actually had the best draft with Trey McBride and Josh Allen.
82:06He's going to dunk on us at the end of the year because he just can't.
82:11Not the points look like it right now. Fair enough.
82:14OK, let's move on. OK, next game here. Browns.
82:16At Bucs. The Browns will probably be a staple in this segment every single week of the season.
82:21I mean, my God. I would have put the Titans in here too.
82:25Can we retire them at some point though? Can we retire them?
82:28We did that last year for the Titans because I think the 2025 Titans were just the least fantasy relevant team of all time.
82:35I kept saying. And then the moment I retired them from this segment, Tony Pollard actually had this amazing finish to the season.
82:42Yes. And so there is that. So that's the risk we run here.
82:46But I think if they start to Sean Watson in week three, we're going to retire.
82:50We're not going to talk about them again. But I have a feeling that that will not be the case.
82:56And that will at least make us talk about them.
82:59What will it look like with Sugar Sanders? For now, I don't think we really have to say anything about Cleveland, Josh.
83:05Like it is what it is. Can I say one thing?
83:08Sure. So people drafted Quinch on Judkins. This is a rough matchup for him.
83:1216 and a half point projection against Vita Vea and that Bucks defensive front.
83:16The stats might not show it, Matt. I thought Casey Conception looked awesome.
83:20And there weren't that many routes, you know, that he was targeted on.
83:23But, you know, there was one that he was the, you know, point man in the stack that he did like a little head fake.
83:31Like he was going with an over route versus Jordan Lewis, who then looked back at the quarterback.
83:36He broke it outside. Great catch. Obviously, Casey fumbled in one of these situations, too.
83:40And then he was also missed for what would have been a deep, deep, deep touchdown because I don't know if Deshaun Watson could have gotten it there.
83:48But he was hit after taking like a 10 step drop on the back.
83:52So like that's a pretty difficult defense that Casey Conception was doing that against.
83:56And obviously this Bucks defense has hopefully improved since last year.
83:59But Casey Conception had some real moments last year that might not show up in the box for last week, I should say.
84:06Yeah, I totally agree. Look, I feel about the same as I did for the Cleveland Browns ever since they drafted Casey
84:12Conception and Denzel Boston, which is like this is going to be awesome.
84:16Those two guys are great. The problem is, you know, their quarterback stinks and it's hopeless.
84:20As long as Watson's back there, it's completely hopeless.
84:23Maybe it'll be slightly less hopeless if Chador gets in there.
84:26I at least want to be open to that week three home opener against Carolina Panthers.
84:30I still my prediction was as soon as they said they're going to start Watson is they're going to be starting Chador in that game.
84:37Will that be a game that you can play Quentin Johnston?
84:41Maybe we'll probably talk. We'll probably honestly, Josh, we'll probably talk about that in this segment next week.
84:46Yeah, actually, I won't be on the show next week, so it'll be up to Boone.
84:50So there you go. OK, on the Bucks side of things here.
84:54This is an offense that I feel obviously just just screwed itself consistently with fumbles and mistakes and just just sloppy bad football.
85:00However, Josh, I came away from it feeling really good about a lot of the players involved here.
85:05Like I'm not good. Buka's role was excellent. Exactly what I was imagining moving around the formation.
85:10You know, very Drake London esque in Zach Robinson's offense.
85:13I think he's set up for a really nice season.
85:16I think Bucky Irving looked really good, had a very not had a good receiving role.
85:21Like Bucky has to be one of the biggest week one winners.
85:24I think both of those guys should be in your starting lineups.
85:27Now, admittedly, everybody else, I I that's kind of where the optimism, you know, stops like Baker.
85:32Maybe you can play in super flex. But other than that, like I think these are the two guys in this offense, Bucky and Mecca.
85:39And I feel like both are going to go down as excellent picks here.
85:43I mean, I will say if you follow the math and the formula that a home favorite expects score 25 points, we
85:50should be wanting to play Baker Mayfield here. And, you know, the personnel is somewhat the same.
85:54I'll be it. You don't have Miles Garrett anymore.
85:57And in his absence, you have Jared verse. But there was a huge change in how this defense played this year versus
86:03like with the Jim Jorts led defense. You know, the tackling was horrific.
86:07Carson Swestinger was an awesome linebacker last year, and he looked kind of lost.
86:11In week one. And maybe we can, you know, set that up here with Liam Cohen at the same time that Zach
86:17Robinson, Liam Cohen, some overlap here in coaching history and coaching trees.
86:21So, hey, Zach, just copy the homework, the test that Liam Cohen just turned in and just put it in here in week two.
86:27And we should have a lot of success for this Bucks offense.
86:31Yeah, the only thing is the offense that Tampa ran out in week one was definitely pretty different than what Jacksonville did
86:37in week one, where there was no heavy personnel for Tampa Bay.
86:41But it did look very much like the 2024 Liam Cohen offense, where there's a lot of screens.
86:46There's all this motion, putting guys in conflict. And your primary pass catcher at that point was Chris Godwin for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
86:53This version of Chris Godwin cannot be a primary pass catcher.
86:56He's like merely a supporting actor and still blocking.
86:58So blocking and give a lot of effort there.
87:01So there's that for Chris Godwin. But it'll basically be a Mecca, Buka, and Bucky Irving I think will be really, really good in this offense as well.
87:09Okay. Let's get to our final game here in this section.
87:12Dolphins at 49ers. I do feel like the Dolphins could be a little bit of a feature in this segment as well.
87:18Anything you want to say about any Dolphins players before?
87:21Okay, let me ask you this. How? Because we're going to talk about Caleb Douglas in the next section.
87:26How banged is Devon Achan? What's your optimism on Devon Achan right now?
87:30What? He had 14 touches last week. Is that correct?
87:33This team is only... I thought they were going to give him enough touches until he pukes or whatever.
87:38Exactly. Yeah. I'd puke after 14. They only projected for 16 points in this game.
87:43They are 13.5 point underdogs to the San Francisco 49ers that just shut down the LA Rams.
87:48You have also like Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw at the second level.
87:51Fred Warner can match up, I think, quite well when they try to do some funky stuff with Devon Achan as they did last week.
87:58This was the fear, right? Like, I heard from a lot of people that were drafting Devon Achan that, oh, at least
88:05Bobby Slowick was coaching on the staff last year and he can just kind of run the same things.
88:10And they kind of did run some similar things.
88:13But Matt, you know, if there was always the coach that was replacing the OC that was just being promoted from within
88:19and that worked out the same way every single time, then, you know, there wouldn't be as much turnover in the NFL.
88:25And there is. And so I am worried. Just to answer your question, I am worried about Devon Achan.
88:31The first two weeks might look miserable for him.
88:33I think you can run on this Niners team.
88:36I just don't know how often you're going to be in run first game scripts.
88:40That's really the problem here with Devon Achan. So I hope I'm wrong.
88:44I hope it's a little bit of a better week two for Achan.
88:47But this was certainly the warning sign. Yeah. By the way, if we did this.
88:52Oh, you just promote the guy on staff. Wouldn't have been talking about Zach Robinson in the last segment because that's what they did with Josh Grizzer.
88:59Josh Grizzer handled all the third downs. He was the pass game coordinator.
89:03Well, he had to handle everything else. It didn't look so good in Tampa Bay last year.
89:08Okay. On the other side of this, San Francisco 49ers here.
89:11Things are looking pretty good for the Niners from, you know, everything but the injury front perspective.
89:16Stribblings out. He'll be out 10 weeks. Jake Tonjes on IR.
89:1910 weeks. I mean, God, what a waste of all of our times in August.
89:23But alas, what can you do? So the guys who are remaining here for San Francisco, Josh, expectations for the Kalen Black, Christian McCaffrey split.
89:30Anything you want to say about the receivers? Floor is yours.
89:34I believe in this split in the backfield. I know some might attribute it to they're playing in Australia.
89:39Some might attribute it to, oh, he was getting cramps.
89:42Christian McCaffrey. I lean more towards this, you know, plan playing out perfectly in that when CMC got the ball, he looked explosive.
89:48He looks spry and he looked good. Much better than he did last year when the underlying metrics pointed him to being
89:55one of the worst running backs in the NFL.
89:57So, Matt, from a fantasy football perspective, we obviously would prefer what happened last year, right?
90:02Even if he was bad on a per-touch basis.
90:04Like, we want the running back one in expected points week after week, who then turns out to be like the running
90:11back two or running back three, versus a guy here that was a running back, I think, 12 in projected points, albeit looks a lot better per touch.
90:19But from the 49ers standpoint, this is good. Like, Kalen Black has some skills in terms of being an athletic north and south runner.
90:25He's also pretty good in pass protection, was the best guy in the class in that department.
90:30So, while I don't think Kalen Black is going to out-carry CMC on a weekly basis, I still believe it's going to
90:36be like closer to 65-35 or 60-40, which is a huge difference than what we've gotten in the CMC era in San Francisco.
90:43Yeah, Kyle Shanahan said he was surprised that Kalen Black out-carried Christian McCaffrey, which I always think is funny when the play
90:49caller says that after he goes, I am surprised by that.
90:52But, you know, it is what it is. The quote that we're showing on the screen here right now, which, shout out
90:59to the producers, I was slacking them this in the middle of the show, and they're like, oh, we already have it ready to go.
91:06So, what do you know? These guys are good at their job, and I'm mediocre at my job at best.
91:12Okay. This is why I really believe this is going to continue to happen, Josh, because this is what I wrote in
91:18my piece in reaction to this on Thursday night last week.
91:21I think Christian McCaffrey is going to totally welcome this development.
91:24Here's the quote if you're listening to us on the audio side.
91:27McCaffrey says, I look at some of the duos last year, like Bijan and Tyler Algier, Gibbs and Montgomery.
91:33It was such a good way to keep people fresh.
91:36He's good enough to do that in reference to Kalen Black.
91:39I remember doing shows with Austin Eckler over the years, and him just, like, trying to manifest a second pitch in that backfield.
91:45Like, truly, every single guy is like, this could be, he's like, he wanted someone to take that work.
91:51Who was the Northwestern back? Just Justin something? I don't know.
91:54There was a lot. There was a lot. Yeah, there was a lot of guys.
91:58There was Josh Kelly. Was it Josh Kelly? I remember.
92:01Yes, I remember. Josh Kelly. There was a Texas A&M guy here, too.
92:05Whatever. Anyways, there was a lot of different players.
92:07None of them became as good as Justin Jackson.
92:10Justin Jackson. There you go. Justin Jackson. Isaiah Spiller.
92:13That's another one. Okay, there we go. Anyways, none of those guys became half as good as Kalen Black looked in week one.
92:19I'll tell you that. Kalen Black, I think he definitely is enough to keep McCaffrey fresh.
92:24I think McCaffrey wants to stay fresh. That was my sense talking to him in February.
92:28Like, I think he knows he's entering into a new chapter of his career.
92:32Good to see. Like, we want McCaffrey around for the entire season.
92:36The bottom line is, these guys are playing the Dolphins this week.
92:39You're starting McCaffrey. You could maybe play Kalen Black as a what-the-heck flex, but I think you're, you think yes?
92:45Well, so I've kind of been thinking of Kalen Black's census game as Cal Monungi adjacent of what we got last year.
92:51Okay. Right? So in games where the Chicago Bears were projected for 27, 26 and a half, 28 points, if they get
92:57to that point, you can paint the narrative in your mind, paint the picture of, okay, they're so far ahead in the
93:04fourth quarter or even the second half of the fourth quarter that, hey, there's a decent chance that both running backs get touchdowns.
93:10So look, if you are having to start Kalen Black in your lineups in week two, your team is already effed a little bit.
93:17But I think Kalen Black in the future, when the San Francisco 49ers are projected for 29 and a half, I think
93:23that is an environment where Kalen Black, you could, again, paint a picture of him farting for a touchdown.
93:29Yeah. There you go. Did you say farting for a touchdown?
93:32Yeah, that's a Hayden Winksism. Sorry. Sorry. All right.
93:34Well, we're ready for that one. Farting into the end zone.
93:37I like that better than falling into the end zone.
93:40I hate when people say, I just hope he falls into the end zone.
93:44Nobody falls into the end zone, but they could fart into the end zone.
93:48I do like that. When DeJong Struggling was down on the field in week one, the route percentage went Demarcus Robinson, 77%.
93:55Mike Evans, 73%. Mike Evans is in an excellent spot in this game.
93:58You're playing him with confidence. Debo Samuel, 64%. I think you can mess around and play some Debo Samuel if you're desperate.
94:04100%. Mega desperate. I guess you could play Demarcus Robinson, who had two catches for 50 yards and a touchdown when Struggling
94:11was not on the field in week one. So there is that.
94:14Okay. We are going to go to our next week break.
94:17We come back. We're taking your questions in the Toyota mailbag.
94:20We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back and welcome to the fantasy hotline presented by Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL.
94:28Every single week, we reach out to you all, the people, our people, and ask you a pressing fantasy question heading into every week's slate of games.
94:36This week, because unfortunately it's topical, wide receiver injuries are everywhere.
94:39We asked you which wide receiver off your bench you are considering starting if you have to replace some big name guys with injuries.
94:46Three players that are certainly on our radar from an injury standpoint right now, Josh.
94:50I'm like, all of these are guys I love.
94:53This stinks. Nico Collins, Lad McConkie, Zay Flowers. What are we doing here?
94:56I would expect all three of those guys to not play this week.
95:00I hope I'm wrong. Personally, I very much hope I'm wrong because I have basically all of them on a bunch of different teams.
95:07So we'll see how that goes. But we got to help the people here find some replacement guys, Josh.
95:12Well, do we throw out a replacement? I mean, mine would be.
95:16No, you're not. You're not. You're not throwing them out.
95:19The people are throwing them out. I just didn't know if you had any thoughts on those three players here.
95:24So, yeah. Just quickly. Zay Flowers was the fastest human alive in week one and getting five catches for 150 yards and
95:31a touchdown in the first half is pretty incredible stuff.
95:33Like so many play callers kind of got it wrong or looked out of sync in week one on their new teams.
95:40And Declan Doyle looked freaking awesome to the point that he might start shining up that resume in late October for like
95:46the Tennessee Titans are one of these jobs as well.
95:49Yeah, it was awesome to see Declan Doyle and Lamar Jackson embrace after the game and Declan saying, I love calling plays for you, man.
95:56They love working with each other. It's not going to be a long relationship, though, fellas.
96:00So don't get comfortable with it. They're going to have to do the promote somebody on the staff and it won't work out in 2027 moves.
96:08So there you go. They're working out. By the way, the Ravens are working out Brandon Cooks today.
96:13So they arrived at the Brandon Cooks section of the proceedings very, very early because of that Zay Flowers injury.
96:19Okay, our first submission here comes in from Tom underscore Sturdivant says in a three wide receiver league.
96:24I may roll the dice with Dontavian Wicks over Devon Vele.
96:27And that's even after watching every Packers game for years.
96:30What do you think? Do we like Dontavian Wicks against the Titans as a replacement for injury or Devon Vele on that fast paced Saints offense more?
96:37I'll say this for Vele. Uh, anyone has upside if you run a route on like 92% of dropbacks on 91 plays, you know?
96:44And that's how Devon Vele is really fantasy relevant.
96:47Again, I will just point to it took them until the second half of last week to spark anything on offense.
96:53And that is just going to be so much more difficult to do against this Ravens defense.
96:58I would start Vele if you want. I would just start Vele in general over Dontavian Wicks.
97:03What do you think? Like I, it's tough. I mean, the, the matchup is the same tier, much more.
97:08It's the same tier. I think you're probably hoping to get on base with Vele where if you're looking for like a
97:14high hit, I think that's probably Wicks. Just the matchup is better.
97:18Uh, you know, route participation wise, they'll probably be pretty clear, but the, the Saints are likely to run more plays.
97:24The problem is they're playing the Ravens defense. I happen to think that Ravens defense is going to be awesome all season long.
97:30So I'll probably side to Wicks. Vele though is a really good play in his own right.
97:35And I think, by the way, I think Vele, like he gets, gets, get dumped on because he's like an old player.
97:41He's pretty good. Like he's a totally solid NFL, uh, wide receiver and fits that offense quite well, uh, in his own right.
97:48Okay. Next one comes in from at doc crackles nailed it with Zay being questionable and probably should be rested a week.
97:54TBH. I'm vacillating. Good use of word vacillating between Devante Adams and Alec Pierce in a PPR format.
97:59Can't believe I wrote the last sentence, but staffy looked jet lag and no red zone looks for Devante Adams is concerning.
98:06Worth noting, uh, that Pierce was a DNP on Thursday.
98:08Don't really know what that's about. Uh, would you go with Devante Adams or Alec Pierce in replacement of Zay flowers?
98:14I'm going to go with Devante Adams. I mean, when the Rams are projected to score 28 points, they are seven and
98:21a half point favorites right now on the giants.
98:23We know that doesn't mean anything for them though.
98:26Um, then yeah, I mean, Devante's red zone usage in zone usage last year was so elite.
98:31I understand it didn't work in week one, but I guess my question is what did work in, in week one, the
98:37big fear for, for the Rams is, Hey, can our offensive line hold up to all the pass rushers that the, you know, uh, giants throw out there?
98:45Um, I mean, there were some phenomenal pass rush looks last week, but I'll still side with the old man and Devante
98:51versus Alec Pierce, who I think is kind of being like a practice pitch count as we go along.
98:57But Matt, even with him, he gets some nice in breaker targets last week, but you could tell he was maybe 85%
99:03of what he was where he couldn't like create that last.
99:06Sliver of separation in order to separate from like Marlon Humphrey and, uh, the other corner that escapes my mind, what his name is right now.
99:13Nate Wiggins, Nate Wiggins. Thank you. Yeah. A tough spot to in Kansas city against the chiefs defense that just took, uh, the Broncos.
99:20Yeah, no, not, not to a good place. Okay.
99:23Uh, I agree with you on Devante Adams. I am really interested, Josh.
99:26Like you could not talk about two teams that had just like diametrically opposed outputs in week one between the giants and
99:33the Rams in terms of one, obviously based on what I said last week, really shocked me in the giants and the Rams.
99:39Like, I kind of want to just throw that game in the trash.
99:43And yet, yeah, Stafford did look, he looked jet lagged, maybe looked old.
99:47The offensive line didn't look great. And the entire team looked like a operation that could have used the first or second
99:53round pick that actually was going to contribute to the field.
99:56But final point, isn't this the reason why the Rams did their travel thing in terms of like going in just for 24 hours?
100:03It wasn't necessarily for that game. It was for the future games.
100:06So they don't have to like adjust back to this.
100:09So, Hey, maybe that leads to the week two performance being a lot better than week one.
100:14Well, that's what, that's what the water carriers are saying now.
100:17That's what the water carriers are saying now, but the water carriers before the game actually told us that no, it was
100:23the master plan was going to work out in week one and it didn't.
100:27So yeah, we'll see. Okay. Next one comes in from at team Morrison 76.
100:31I'm debating on benching Drake London because of his quarterback fair for either of Quentin Johnston or Antonio Williams in PPR.
100:37Let's let me first just say about Antonio Williams.
100:40Yeah, I mean, that's way too, it's way too cute to do that.
100:44The, to play him ahead of Drake London. I totally get it because Antonio Williams looked fricking awesome in week one.
100:50I thought he would look really explosive, separated. I was like, thank God, like they need this guy.
100:55He's playing late in the preseason. I don't care.
100:57Like, I know this guy is a good player and he actually looked like more explosive than I thought he would have on the NFL field.
101:05I really liked his film in week one. He's still not playing enough for you to count on him really in almost
101:11any fantasy format, but certainly not in replacement of Drake London.
101:14Do you think it's any one? What are your thoughts on Williams?
101:18And two, do you think it's any closer between QJ and Drake London?
101:21If this was Stefan Diggs instead of Antonio Williams, I might lean in that direction versus the Cowboys defense.
101:27But Antonio Williams, like you said, is one of those rookie stash guys that hopefully with the, you know, per route target
101:33metrics that he'll just prove that he'll need more snaps, but he's not there yet.
101:37Like I need to see him play 55, 65% of snaps first.
101:41I'm just going to side with, with Drake London here.
101:43Yeah. I'm just going to start with Drake London.
101:46And if we're wrong, boy, uh, then we really just need to wait till Michael Penix comes back.
101:51But who knows if Penix is playing this? Okay.
101:54Here it is. If Penix plays this week, it's a hundred percent Drake London, right?
101:58If not, um, if not, then I understand the QJ stuff that how heavily favored they are by, by six and a
102:04half points, but I would still play Drake London over QJ.
102:07Yeah. Totally agree with you on that one. Like I would second guess it if it was not Michael Penix, I still
102:14kind of would be surprised with Michael Penix. Here's the thing, Josh, as a content creator or whatever we are, I can
102:20sit here and tell you like the merits of playing QJ over Drake London.
102:24I know that if it was me, I would never be able to, I would never be able to do it.
102:30I wouldn't. So I'm not going to sit here and tell you to do it.
102:34You can kind of do whatever you want. I would play Drake London over Quentin Johnson.
102:39Okay. We got a three pack here for our next one.
102:42Brian Hillman 22 says he has Caleb Douglas, Matthew golden or Casey Concepcion to replace Zay flowers.
102:47I think there's a pretty clear right answer in this trio.
102:50How about you? There is. And we might be talking about, you know, tables and players here.
102:55Matthew golden, I think is the right answer here.
102:57Um, Matthew golden was awesome when week one. So it was Christian Watson.
103:01Uh, Matthew golden is now fitting exactly what the Packers are doing offensively in terms of, Hey, we don't have a running game.
103:08We're going to play at a faster pace and we're going to just have a much higher neutral pass rate.
103:13And if that's the case, these are the two guys that are out there in two wide receiver sets.
103:19This was the theory of the pick all along.
103:21And, uh, Matthew golden is like a top 36 wide receiver out there.
103:25I think moving forward, if not even higher than that.
103:28Yeah, Josh, uh, I've said it behind your back, so I'll go ahead and say it to your face.
103:33I think I'm already ready to concede on the Jaden Reed is going to outscore Matthew golden.
103:38Uh, maybe we said it on the show. Maybe we said it privately.
103:42Um, but yeah, I knew Matthew golden was going to play more snaps in Jaden Reed.
103:46I was not a lot of snaps for Jaden Reed at week.
103:50Number one, um, that was, that was not a lot of snaps for Jane Reed in week one.
103:55Uh, I, I hope that changes, but yeah, that's tough obviously coming out of that.
103:59And I agree with you. I thought Matthew golden looked good.
104:02Um, and real big difference between his role in this game and week one, as opposed to what we saw in his
104:09rookie season, when he essentially kind of operated as like a movement player, he was playing in the slot.
104:14Like, uh, you know, he's in the backfield. It was like a motion option.
104:18It was essentially like Jane Reed's injury replacement. And there was just really nothing about Matthew golden as a prospect that would
104:24lead you to think he could, he could do that.
104:27So, um, like now that he's this X receiver outside, he's running these big breaking routes downfield.
104:32That's closer to what he did at Texas. So, um, I've said this all the time.
104:36I'm Matthew golden centrist. I'm, I'm leaning a little bit on the aisle here, uh, as a pro Matthew golden, what I
104:43saw in week one, that is for sure. Uh, Caleb Douglas though, I think is viable.
104:47Um, how viable do you think he is? Um, he might've been the player that I was most impressed by based on whatever expectations that I had.
104:55You know, I, I knew that the dolphins were going to play Caleb Douglas and Chris bell a lot, but Caleb Douglas
105:01played way more, which makes sense from the injury that Chris bell was coming back from.
105:06But even when like Malik Washington might be the one that loses some of the stuff and Chris bell gets more.
105:12Caleb Douglas is out there all the time. And he is a long strider that eats up a ton of ground.
105:18He had a cool route where it was almost pointed towards the sideline.
105:21Then he broke back inside to, you know, almost reverse the inside leverage that the cornerback had.
105:26Um, he might make a mistake here or there, whether it be a drop or not getting two feet in bounds, but guess what?
105:33They already said they're going to play them through it all.
105:36And he's going to learn on the job. Caleb Douglas was my most added player after week one.
105:41Yeah, he is raw to your point. Like knowing just being aware of where his feet are all sometimes he'll get himself locked up.
105:48He probably is not going to be the most explosive vertical player, but two routes that stood out for him from a
105:54reception perception standpoint as a prospect was like posts and slants.
105:58And I think you've seen that already, like these in breakers that he's pretty good on.
106:02He's didn't run a lot of those in the offense at Texas tech that he played at.
106:07Now I've seen some people on the internet make some irresponsible statements about what Caleb Douglas did in week one from a film perspective.
106:14Really nice debut. Let's see how it plays out.
106:16Uh, but definitely somebody that I think you can stick on the end of your bench and see what happens because the opportunity is going to be there.
106:24And obviously we both like Casey Concepcion. I would probably rank it though.
106:28Golden Douglas Casey. Uh, if you're simply replacing somebody for week two.
106:32Okay. Next one here comes in from J J K G.
106:35Okay. Uh, that's what we're going to go with battle of the Jalen slash Jalen genuine question, especially with waddle playing a
106:41good Jags defense this week in replacement of some of these injured guys.
106:45Do I start Jalen Coker or Jalen waddle? I mean, listen, it's all you want to start them both.
106:50Find a way to start them both. I don't know.
106:53Uh, can't, can you find a way to start them both?
106:56Who else do you have on your team? I mean, come on, you don't have anybody better.
107:01There's nobody better than Jalen Coker in the NFL.
107:03I mean, come on right now. I will. I have it ranked.
107:07I have Jalen waddle ranked as like my wide receiver 17 to 20.
107:11And I have Coker in my range of like 24 to 26.
107:14So, I mean, they're both starters. I do think Jalen waddle has a big bounce back in him, uh, in week two.
107:20What do you think, Josh? I mean, he freaking better.
107:23I mean, even having it like Matt, if we say we drafted him at wide receiver 17, which we did, and I was a huge proponent of that.
107:31And then he goes out there for one catch for two yards.
107:34And then we're like, Oh, actually we're still just going to rank him.
107:38Like you did exactly where we drafted him. And he has another stinker, uh, this time against the Jacksonville Jaguars secondary.
107:44It's going to be tough. Then Matt, we are, it's going to be relentless comments.
107:48Relentless. Oh yeah. Back to us. Yeah. I don't think it's going to happen though.
107:53I think that there was a lot of ways where I think I do just think that was like an outlier bad Denver offense.
108:00I mean, they were the worst offense in the NFL.
108:02You know, they were the worst offense in the NFL in week one.
108:06I think the past protection can get corrected. I thought a lot of, there were a lot of opportunities for Jalen waddle just left on the field.
108:14Yes, I do think so. I mean, cause I mean, you just got to get the rules figured out.
108:19You got to get the backs like in the right spot, the tight ends in the right spot.
108:24I think they can get that figured out. Like it's still a great offensive line.
108:29I mean, I've looked, I'm definitely worried about what I saw from the offense in week one.
108:33There's no question about that, but I liked what I saw from waddle on tape.
108:38I thought the role was exactly what we were imagining.
108:41And like, this is a team in Jacksonville that plays a bunch of zone coverage and they brought waddle in specifically to be the zone beater.
108:48So I think we'll see a pretty good role for him in week two.
108:52I would go. I mean, listen, I'm going back to Jalen waddle where I have him.
108:57So, you know, I'm going down the ship. If you are.
109:00No, I mean. I am too. I mean, it was concerning to me and I understand like, Hey, if every time we
109:06run a screen, if it goes to Jalen waddle, that's a pretty obvious tell, but I just, you know, would want him
109:12to get the manufactured touch instead of, you know, Pat Bryant, even though, you know, we both have love for Pat Bryant out there.
109:19Yeah. Um, look, this time last year, I told everyone to draft George Pickens.
109:23He had a horrific first game, which makes sense against Vic Fangio, uh, and outside wide receivers and all that stuff.
109:29Again, Quinnion Mitchell, so on and so forth. I just said, stay patient.
109:33All that. Um, I'm hoping that Jalen waddle has the same exact outcome here that week two and beyond it works out.
109:39And I believe it is. It's just so much more difficult to say after one game, uh, than it was prior to
109:45the season when, you know, us as analysts legit moved Jalen waddle's ADP all summer about around and a half.
109:51So stuff happens, Josh, bad week ones happen. Like the George Pickens example is a great one.
109:56You could perfectly explain that away. You can perfectly explain this one away.
110:00So I get it. People are furious. I'm furious.
110:02I have Jalen waddle and fantasy teams. I'm very upset about what I saw in week one.
110:07Uh, good. We got a chat here, uh, to, to address, uh, Armando Sanchez asked us in the chat.
110:12Should I trade AJ Brown for Jalen waddle? You guys should trade AJ Brown for basically like anybody that's going to score points for you.
110:19I don't know when AJ Brown is going to be back.
110:23It's a four to six week injury. And I mean, it's a high ankle sprain.
110:27It probably ruins his whole season. And he's a 29 year old receiver with a history of lower body injuries.
110:33I would just, yeah, I would definitely make this trade.
110:35I think you and I were more AJ Brown skeptical than almost anyone heading into the season.
110:40Like he closed draft season as the 13th overall player in consensus rankings that made zero sense.
110:45No sense. And half PPR 13 overall, you're going to take them over all those running backs.
110:50Um, so yes, this is the worst possible outcome that could have happened for, for those people that ranked him that highly.
110:56All right. Got a lineup dilemma trade debate or league controversy.
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111:22What an excellent episode. We got the people ready for all of their wide receiver tilt fest that are going on right now.
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