Fantasy Sleepers for 2026 With Hayden Winks and Josh Norris, Part 2
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0:38Welcome to The Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I am joined by Danny Kelly.
0:43And today, we will once again be joined by Josh Norris and Hayden Winks from Yahoo Fantasy Football.
0:48Because Craig is on vacation in Hawaii. We had Josh and Hayden on while Craig was out.
0:53And we had such a good time and they were so good that we actually just went long enough that we split it into two parts.
1:00So part one we published last week. This is going to be part two of our favorite players entering this season.
1:06It's just our favorite picks relative to value and honestly the most important players in fantasy this year.
1:11So we hope you enjoy the episode. And then Craig will be back this week.
1:16And then we will get to hot quarterbacks. What everyone's waiting for.
1:19We can't do hot quarterbacks without Craig. So that's a promise we made when he left.
1:24So without further ado, part two with Josh and Hayden, favorite players.
1:27All right, let's get to the show. Wait, what about the live show?
1:31Yes, live show. Also, yes, live show Thursday, August 27th.
1:34We still have some tickets left. If you're in Southern California, live show Thursday, August 27th.
1:38Tickets are in the episode description. The link, your Earl, as DK calls it.
1:42TheRinger.com slash events. And yeah, so go grab tickets to the live show Thursday, August 27th.
1:47Now we can get to the show. A similar-ish player to Jalen Hurts, not necessarily physically, but questions about whether they can
1:53run an offense or whatever is Hayden. You said Kyler Murray for the Vikings was one of your favorite.
1:58Whatever. DK, what are we calling this episode? Sleepers?
2:01Favorite players? Sleepers slash values. Sleepers slash values. Great values.
2:04Hayden, your sleepers slash value quarterback is Kyler Murray, who I think there's similar questions of, can they just, do they have
2:10to play to their style because they can't see over the line of scrimmage or can they run whatever offense?
2:16He's in Minnesota. Why do you like Kyler so much this year?
2:19I just like Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson. I mean, it's just been a print fest.
2:24It doesn't matter who it was. I remember Sam Darnold, like how egregious he was.
2:28And then he was the quarterback eight in this offense.
2:31Kirk Cousins was the quarterback seven with Kevin O'Connell for over years.
2:34Nick Mullins was the quarterback eight when he got his starts.
2:37Josh Dobbs, literally off of a private jet, comes into the facility and doesn't even know the playbook.
2:42He was, he averaged almost 18 fantasy points per game as well.
2:46The offensive line is healthier this year. Kyler Murray has been a fantasy quarterback.
2:50All those guys I just mentioned, they don't run.
2:52Like that was all passing stuff. Kyler Murray runs on like those guys.
2:56So if we just get like some semblance of the passing numbers that those offenses last four years have done with Minnesota
3:02plus 30 ish rush yards per game, which Kyler Murray's average, I'm like, this is a layup line quarterback one.
3:08So like in best ball, it's a little trickier because in theory he could get benched in a redraft.
3:13Even if he does get benched, you know, halfway through the season, you just pick up somebody else.
3:19The quarterback's really deep. So to me, it's like, that's the thing is there's like maybe like 15 to 20 quarterbacks.
3:25I do think you could start in week one in fantasy.
3:28So if you want to just load up and win the flex, and then you just kind of double dip Kyler Murray,
3:34Jackson, dark Kyler Murray with Dak Prescott. You name the combination.
3:37I do think that's how I'm kind of playing it in redraft just because like this depth is so obvious this year with a lot of young players.
3:45But I think, you know, Kyler Murray throwing the ball to Justin Jefferson versus Marvin Harrison, I think is going to make a pretty big difference.
3:52Yeah. Hi, Fitz, you made a comment like 10 minutes ago where you said it's, I think, more difficult this year to find sleepers or identify sleepers.
4:00When you get into drafts this year, like once, I don't know, round 10 or 11 hits, you're like, I don't want to select any of these players.
4:08It is disgusting out there. And I think some of that is maybe the running back poor draft class that we just had.
4:15I think some of that is the changes in heavy personnel across the league that we're getting more of these two and
4:21three tight end looks, which means those fun slot receivers that would, you know, theoretically get us fantasy points over the previous
4:27years are just irrelevant now across the league that what Hayden is saying, instead of maybe taking the elite or especially kind
4:33of those metal to your quarterbacks, just wait for freaking Kyler Murray in your drafts.
4:38And like Malik Willis is also out there as a crazy, you know, shot in the dark as the late round quarterback
4:44that had the floor of rushing and then hopefully the ceiling with the passing on top of this.
4:49And you'll probably like your drafts on paper if you wait for Kyler versus taking one of those middle round quarterbacks.
4:55I think this is, yeah, this is going to be such an interesting season for the Vikings because it does feel a
5:01little bit like the shine has come off of Kevin O'Connell just a little bit based on what happened.
5:07But when you say, Hayden, when you read off all those quarterbacks that were just absolutely going bonkers and fantasy and is
5:13JJ McCarthy the worst quarterback in the world? What the hell happened?
5:16Because that was, I mean. Brosmer's right there with him.
5:19I mean, Brosmer gave him a run for his money late in the year.
5:23But yeah, maybe that was like a false flag to make McCarthy seem better.
5:27I don't know. Right, right. I just think I agree with everything Hayden's saying here.
5:32I think Kevin O'Connell is the truth. I think he knows how to coach up and make things easier for his quarterback
5:38and, you know, put together an offense that is going to.
5:41It's like what Shanahan does, essentially. You know, it's like every guy who goes in here is going to average eight yards per attempt, you know?
5:48Maybe he like lost his magic or whatever. What is, Hyphens, what's the reference you always use?
5:53The Monstars or whatever? Oh, like when they take Michael's secret stuff.
5:57Well, I think for Kevin O'Connell, I think it was Grant Udinski leaving to the Jags.
6:01I think Kevin O'Connell, everyone said he's a quarterback whisperer.
6:04I think he might just be really hot and tall.
6:07But the, yeah, they stole a special Udinski. I will say, I think of all the things, or sorry, DK, you keep going.
6:13Well, I was just going to say, you know, Kyler is such a polarizing quarterback in so many ways.
6:19Not only the way he plays football, where, you know, he's very short and he scrambles a lot.
6:24And, you know, there's certain parts. You compared him to a toddler that stole your phone in your draft.
6:29He just has a very polarizing style of play.
6:32And the body language thing is a major. GTA 6 is coming out this year, which could be a catastrophe.
6:38There's the meme that is also proven true pretty much every year that he falls off, you know, after they released the newest version of Call of Duty.
6:45And so. Which is an unfair stereotype because he only plays the video games after he gets hurt every December.
6:51Like that, you know, that's the real reason. But I want to believe.
6:55I want to believe. And I think I will be taking Kyler just because I think the upside is certainly there, especially where you can get him.
7:03If I had to pick which of, and again, if everyone here brought like some of their favorite players, if I had
7:09to pick one that I'm most confident is a good fantasy pick, I think it's this one with Kyler Murray.
7:15Because I think it aligns with everything real life and fantasy trend line that's happening, which is to hit like the opportunity
7:21cost of taking Kyler Murray is nothing. Again, shouting out you guys at Yahoo now.
7:25The player going after Kyler Murray in fantasy drafts is Michael Pittman on the Steelers.
7:29If Michael Pittman and Aaron Rodgers is the reason I lost my fantasy league, so be it.
7:34Like the idea that like we're going back, there are so many rushing quarterbacks that you might as well wait on quarterback
7:40again and load up at all these other positions and not play whack-a-mole at running back or receiver, which is just mentally
7:47and emotionally taxing and makes fantasy not fun. I think waiting on Kyler Murray makes so much sense for so many reasons,
7:53including you're not compromising getting a rushing quarterback. Two years ago, he had 570 yards.
7:57He basically would have been tied for Josh Allen for the most rushing yards last year, if that was the 2025 total for Kyler.
8:04He did that two years ago. He's still athletic.
8:07He's recovered from the ACL. The combination also of all these quarterbacks in real life, I think, to me, the trend, everyone
8:13talks about the two tight end sets and that's absolutely a trend.
8:16But to me, the defining trend of football in the 2020s is the recycling of the careers of the elite quarterback prospects
8:23going from bad teams to good teams. Like if you look at all these guys that have had reclaimed careers, they were all really high prospects.
8:30Sam Darnold, who won the fucking Super Bowl, was a top three pick.
8:34Baker Mayfield, who was scout team safety in the Panthers, was the number one pick.
8:38You know what I mean? Josh Allen developed. But if you look around, Kyler Murray was a number one pick.
8:44Like all these guys have elite traits. And I think Kyler Murray is still at the tail end of his physical prime.
8:50And it's not, to your point, if Sam Darnold was the number eight quarterback and he's not even like a huge, right?
8:56He can run a little. I don't know. I think Kyler's a no-brainer.
9:00I don't think there's opportunity costs. I think it makes sense on every level.
9:04So I really love this. And I agree. He's my favorite quarterback this year.
9:08And the only reason I even have to think about it is Lamar and Jaden and other guys are going later.
9:14But as long as Kyler's outside the top hundred, I think he's my quarterback.
9:18At the same time, can I express, though, some frustrations about Kyler Murray's game?
9:22Because I don't know if we've done that enough in this conversation.
9:25Like he does drop his eyes and play the hokey pokey and like turn down throws a lot.
9:30Yeah. It is so obvious. And for all of you that played fantasy football, Trey McBride's production blasted off after, you know, Kyler was replaced by Jacob Brissett.
9:38Because whenever you go and watch the games inside the red zone, inside the 10-yard line, Trey McBride was open in those situations.
9:45And for some reason, Kyler would just not target him in those scenarios.
9:48He needs to stand tall. He needs maybe difficult.
9:51And then in the face of pressure, like throw the middle field, trust what the offense is going to be there.
9:57And like I went back and watched Nick Mullins to prepare for Kyler Murray in this offense.
10:02And like Nick Mullins was doing that. He had zero fear when there was, you know, a missed blitz pickup or a
10:08free rusher in his face because he knew KOC's offense, which, you know, just a couple of seasons ago was ninth in scoring and eighth in scoring.
10:16Like if a play was going to be open and the ball is there on time, then you have big play was there to be made.
10:23And so we just have to have Kyler like have trust in his environment.
10:27I understand where that was lost in Arizona, but at the same time, that's kind of like the last, you know, exposure
10:33that we do have here with Kyler Murray. I, and to that point, and again, cause I think this is one of
10:40the more interesting things also for real life football, cause the NFC North is the best division in football.
10:45It's hard to pick who's going to miss the, who's going to win the division and miss the playoffs among the Lions, Bears, Vikings, Packers.
10:52The other thing is we haven't talked about enough is what does the offense look like?
10:57Because Kevin, the Vikings have been under center almost half the snaps.
11:00The Vikings have played Kyler Murray, I believe has been under center at times about one out of every six plays, which
11:06Bill Barnwell, he has been at this great stat.
11:09Kyler Murray has basically been in shotgun 10 times more than he's been under center.
11:13It's like 1800 snaps to 180. That's pretty nuts.
11:16And I am curious what it looks like with the Vikings, but I think there's something to be said.
11:21There is a world where at the end of this, just any coach's stock that rises falls.
11:26Brian Dable's stock rose and fall quickly for the Giants.
11:29Dan Campbell, one more bad season with the Lions and people are going to turn on him.
11:34Kevin O'Connell quarterback whisper again, if he doesn't play well and he lets Sam Donald go for McCarthy and then can't do
11:40anything with Kyler, like that is the downside. And also Kyler gets hurt a lot at the end of seasons and like
11:46in the fantasy playoffs, he might not be there for you, but I think he's so cheap it overcomes it.
11:52But I think those are good points, Josh. My last thing real quick is the NFL PA reports.
11:57I mean, I've never been able to benefit off of reading those.
12:00We're going from dead last with the Arizona Cardinals to literally number one.
12:04I mean, that is like speaking of environments like this is like we're talking about like picking up, you know, meals on a Wednesday.
12:11It's way better for Kyler Murray this year than it was previously.
12:14So it's not even just the environment and who he's throwing to in the offensive lines, like literally like just like walking around the stadium being appreciated.
12:22Like his family is allowed to like take home food.
12:25Like all those things are happening for Kyler Murray for the first time ever.
12:29It's such a good point. I think culturally, I think it's, I think it's hard for us to understand these guys who
12:35go to college and like Kyler Murray going to Oklahoma, Joe Burrow going to LSU.
12:39And then Kyler goes to Arizona. And like your college facilities were 10 times nicer.
12:44Joe Burrow goes to the Bengals that have a practice, went from LSU to a team that didn't have a practice facility in the winter.
12:51And it's fucking jarring to go to an NFL team that suddenly is charging you for box lunch when your dining hall
12:57in Oklahoma was like nicer than anything Arizona has ever had.
13:00His high school, that school that he went to in Texas is ridiculous.
13:04Kyler, one of my favorite stats since I've been covering the NFL is that Kyler's height, firstly, he's the best quarterback maybe
13:10ever in the history of Texas high school football.
13:13He went 40 something and 0, won three championships in a row.
13:16But his high school stadium had a larger capacity than the one the Chargers did in 2019.
13:21Kyler, or 20, his rookie year, Kyler played in front of fewer people for a Cardinals Chargers game than he did when
13:27he won a championship or regular season high school games when he was in high school.
13:32I was an intern for the Chargers during that, uh, during that season.
13:36Yeah. That's where I was at the StubHub Center.
13:38I was. That was, that was me. I changed the whole marketing department for forever for the Chargers.
13:43What was the saddest thing you saw when the Chargers?
13:46Oh no. Oh my goodness. Cause I would go, they would, I would go there.
13:50The new facility is great. I love the Chargers, but during the, the transition was tough cause they got kind of outed from LA stadium deal.
13:58I didn't get a plus one for the, the, um, Christmas party after being there for, for a full year.
14:03And that was kind of like, so I was like, really?
14:07That's kind of crazy. Okay. Josh, give me another sleeper and or favorite player entering this year.
14:11Whatever satisfies DK's criteria that you, a player you like for 2026.
14:15Yeah. I actually think I'm stealing from DK's list here.
14:18Uh, but let's go with Terry McLaurin. He's wide receiver 22 in consensus rankings right now.
14:22And one of my favorite things over the summer is to try to find these hidden edges.
14:27And I think one is when new play callers come in and it's so difficult for us, especially with a veteran like
14:33Terry McLaurin to try to predict the difference in usage and how much that is going to change his fantasy output.
14:39Uh, and I think the commanders are like at the top of the list for a lot of the fancy names this season.
14:46Um, in his career, Jaden Daniels has 33 dropbacks from center 33 from under center.
14:50Okay. We know Cliff's offense while very successful during Jane's rookie season, it got extremely stale and it kept someone like Terry McLaurin.
14:57So static, right? I think he ran 74% of his routes just on the line of scrimmage at that left wide receiver spot.
15:03Like that is absurd for your number one pass catcher.
15:06So now the defense knows where the best player will be at the start of every play.
15:11Exactly. And Cliff didn't want to do anything about it.
15:14I understand they had success, but then this is probably a good one.
15:17Probably why they wanted to replace him this, this off season.
15:21So now we have like a more balanced approach.
15:23All you're going to hear from Washington this year is we're going to get more motion.
15:28We're going to get more play action. And then David Blau already said, Hey, how do we get Terry McLaurin 10 targets per contest?
15:34That is music to my ears to so clearly the best offensive player on that team outside of Jane Daniels.
15:40That if we talk about funnels and concentration of targets and opportunities, I don't see how Terry McLaurin doesn't average eight and
15:46a half to about 10 and a half targets per game this season.
15:50Yeah. I had this too. I love Terry McLaurin this year.
15:53And it kind of goes to, if you're trying to identify offenses that could bounce back and be closer to, you know,
16:00what their potential is last year, it was just truly everything that could have gone wrong for, for the commanders last year did injuries.
16:06You know, just the coaching. Terry held out for training camp as well.
16:10Like he missed. And that obviously now, as we know, after the last three or four years impacts fancy output is when these guys miss training camp.
16:18Yeah. Especially when you're living on the narrow razor edge margin of just being the best deep connection in the NFL, which
16:24is really what Jaden and McGuire were doing. Like those are very thin margin plays that you need the practice time.
16:30I kind of look at, and some people might take this as a negative.
16:34I, I, I kind of, I'm saying this complimentary Terry McLaurin has kind of Terry McLaurin and Jane Daniel specifically kind of
16:40have that Russell Wilson, DK Metcalf connection where it's like, he's just trusting.
16:44I'm going to throw it up there down there for him because I trust him to go get it.
16:49I think Terry McLaurin is a very good player.
16:52I think this offense could make a big jump back to what we saw in 2024 when they were like off the
16:58charts, levels of swag for that whole offense. Basically like Jaden Daniels was the best rookie quarterback I've seen.
17:04It felt like forever. He was since RG3. He, I mean, I'm in DC.
17:08The Jaden almost sink, not single-handedly, but I actually, I don't talk about this a lot, but like I do do reporting sometimes.
17:14I asked Terry McLaurin himself and they were mad at me because I wasn't supposed to talk to him, but I, I
17:20asked him in the locker room because we proposed the same weekend to our wives.
17:25And I asked him, like, I started with that and then I asked him like, how much of the success of this,
17:31like third, this crazy season you're having is Jane Daniels.
17:34And he actually thought about it for a second.
17:36He's like half, he's like literally half Jaden, half every other person who works for the team player, coach assistant.
17:42And he was like, that's how important quarterback is.
17:45And, but like, dude, I, he literally was the best season in 30 years.
17:48I can't tell you how many, I lived here for five years.
17:52No one walked around with a goddamn commander's Jersey.
17:54No one had them. They weren't. And now they're like, there were more, I live in the city.
18:00There were more Ravens jerseys at my supermarket or the stores buy it than there were Washington.
18:04Now it's like, you see Jaden everywhere. So he's a phenomenon.
18:08It's a fun player to have, which I actually think is the most underrated part of fantasy football is just like, do you like having these players?
18:15Yeah. And Jaden is top tier. What's it like to have a gun?
18:19It's like having two cocks. I mean, having that guy on your team is like having two cocks.
18:24Um, but yeah, McLaurin, the, like the other thing I think that's interesting is like, we, we don't really know anything about
18:30what David Blau is going to bring. Like, do you, what do we, what do we know about David Blau?
18:36He also wants to try to get a quarterback.
18:39That's good enough for me. He's not getting a quarterback.
18:41Well, he said he wants to get Terry 10 targets a game.
18:45And that's one of those that sounds sick. And you're like, well, coaches aren't great with math.
18:50And like, you know, who are they throwing to if they're not getting Terry McLaurin 10 targets per game?
18:55Dude, I fucking Luke McCaffrey. I don't know. Is it?
18:58I mean, do you get like Shigo Conquo and I, he doesn't know how to catch.
19:02It's like Traylon Burks, Antonio Williams, the rookie, a handful of random other dudes.
19:06Let's see here. There's a, oh, it's bad. Luke McCaffrey, Jalen Lane, who's more of like a special teams guy.
19:12They signed Deami Brown and Van Jefferson. This is how the Packers used to look.
19:16Devante Adams had four number four receivers that, and they, Washington is eight number four receivers.
19:21I think, and you're, yeah, I think it's going to be Terry McLaurin and then Chigga Conquo might have actual chance to be, to be something in fantasy.
19:29But the other thing that I wanted to bring up here, which I think is, and we don't know yet really, but I think there's a chance.
19:37This is another team. I mentioned it with the 49ers.
19:39This is another team whose defense is probably going to be not very good.
19:43I mean, if you look at what they did in the off season, the, almost their entire starting off, like defense is
19:50free agents that they signed this off season. When has that ever gone well?
19:54You know what I mean? Like in the history of the NFL, it's usually not a good sign.
19:59If like you're filling your entire defense, all the starting spots with free agents or rookies, sunny styles obviously could be really good.
20:05But, um, you know, it's just a bunch of kind of hired guns to go on defense and try and fix, fix it.
20:12Like some of the holes that they had on defense.
20:15I think this is going to be a shootout team.
20:18I think they're going to have to score a lot of points and I think they're going to have to let Jane do his magic.
20:25Like in McLaurin is going to be the big benefit from that.
20:28Like he had second, he had the second most touchdowns in the NFL in 2024.
20:32I feel like we're just kind of forgetting about it.
20:35We're enamored with the shiny new things that are happening from last year.
20:39You know, Caleb Williams and the Bears offense. Everyone's really excited about that.
20:43But I think Jane Daniels can kind of bring the magic back for the commanders on offense at the very least.
20:49Um, so yeah, I, I will mention like with the chick thing, I was talking to Ben Stanek does a great job
20:55covering the commanders and he mentioned, he's like, we can't really talk about what's happening at the, at practices.
21:00But I will say I saw chicka Kwonk will catch a lot of passes or something like that.
21:05You know what I mean? So like, I'm like at the very least they don't have a number two receiver on this team.
21:12Maybe Antonio Williams is a guy, maybe trail on Burks finally can stay healthy and he could, he can do it.
21:18Do a little bit of stuff. But yeah, or I, you, I mean, maybe they assign Debo, maybe they sign digs that,
21:24that could kind of like, you know, change the, the, I don't want to alienate your offense, but, uh, Chico Kwonko is my most drafted player this summer.
21:32And then I'll just, is he really the rest of the show?
21:36Like it's pretty disgusting, but it's for all the reasons we just discussed here.
21:40Yeah. Um, I mean, look, go 2024, not that he's the same player, even remotely, but Zach Hertz was like the number two receiver on that offense.
21:47Um, so a lot of the offense flowed through the title.
21:50He had incriminating evidence on Cliff Kingsbury's trip to Thailand.
21:53He had to probably what was going on there.
21:56Um, 16 million guaranteed. They paid him kind of a lot.
21:59Like that's not nothing for a guy who hasn't really done anything in his career.
22:03Washington's a weird team, to be honest. I mean, I also have a whole paragraph written on Bill Krosky merit here as
22:09well as like, I would love the offensive line.
22:12What do you think of the Washington running? We haven't talked to Washington backfield.
22:16Rashad white, you know, bill merit. Like this is kind of, I mean, this is the Island of misfit toys.
22:22Yeah. I mean, it's a weird backfield. I'll just throw one stat at you.
22:26All right. Per fancy points, the commanders were best in the NFL and outside zone runs last year in terms of blocking at 6.1 yards per carry.
22:33This is supposedly what David Blouse also brings to the table this year.
22:37Bill Krosky merit led the NFL in yards per carry out on outside zone runs at 7.6 yards per carry.
22:43Uh, he doesn't catch passes. At least didn't last year.
22:46He fumbled way too much. Uh, he became a meme player because he had this long ass name and we all just condensed it down to bill.
22:53Uh, and as a seventh round rookie, that gets a ton.
22:56His uncle did that. I'll have you know. And then didn't do anything in the regular season as much, despite actually leading
23:03this team, what in carries and rushing yards and rushing touchdowns, I believe.
23:06Um, I don't remember any of that. I'm, I'm just, I'm just into, Hey, maybe the second year, seventh rounder where they
23:13only added Katron Allen and a pure receiving back in Rashad white might actually have a bit more opportunity than is getting
23:19credit for as the running back 39 consensus rankings.
23:21Right. You have piqued my interest because I do think I am a big believer that a players that go late in drafts or undrafted that then perform.
23:29And then the team to your point, doesn't do anything to change their role.
23:33We always underrate like a Monro St. Brown is the perfect example of this, of if a first round player had done
23:40what a Monro did his rookie year, he would have like, we would have just taken it at face value immediately.
23:46But because a Monro wasn't expected to be that good, it took like two years for us to actually be like, he
23:52should probably just be in the first round of fantasy drafts.
23:55It took like a long time. And obviously he was still like a third or fourth round pick, but, and bill was
24:01not, but I think you're right that like, if they let Chris Rodriguez go and Chris Rodriguez might maybe be the starter for Jacksonville.
24:08And so, yeah, I don't hate it. Do you agree?
24:11Like we have merit here next to Kyler Murray.
24:13You were just saying he's your favorite. I think Rashad White's just annoying enough to get in the way of this.
24:19And then I kind of liked Kate Ron Allen for what he is as an, as an RB three.
24:25I think it's going to be a committee. Rashad White.
24:28I can see him being like the goal line back.
24:31Cause he's got a little bit of size on bill and then catching some passes.
24:35So he's one of these names where I think like where he goes, I can see him being like a flex play.
24:41You're not going to win your league cause Rashad White, but there's like some Javante Williams kind of there.
24:46If the offense takes off and he can kind of consolidates things, but it, I'm kind of staying away from the backfield.
24:53Like there's, there's some upside here, but I think that the skill sets compliment each other so well that I think they're
24:59just going to lean into that and just kind of kind of leave us stuck.
25:03Final point on this high heads. The commanders are projected for the same amount of points as the Colts bucks, Texans and Jaguars this year.
25:10And really we're only drafting with confidence, Jaden Daniels and Terry McLaurin.
25:14And that's it. And I feel like there is at least one, if not two names that will be fancy relevant at for certain sections of the season.
25:22So Vegas thinks that this is going to be a good environment for fantasy points.
25:26That's what Jared Smola found. They're, they're top 10, they're 10th in fantasy environment.
25:30And, and like, you know, like, like you just said, Josh, we're kind of just like overlooking it.
25:35I agree. Like it's hard to figure out what's going to happen with this backfield.
25:39If, if you would have told me that Bill Merritt had 800 yards rushing and eight touchdowns last year, I would have
25:46been like, no, there's no way, no way in hell.
25:49He had 805 yards rushing. I don't think I realized that at all.
25:52But yeah, I think, you know, finding, I think there is, you know, like a value to be mined from this offense.
25:58If they get back even close, they don't have to get back to what they did in 2024, because that was like lightning in a bottle potentially.
26:06But I do think they're going to be a lot better than they were last year.
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26:58Another name I want to get to. I was surprised when you threw this guy out, Hayden.
27:03You said Malik Nabors for the Giants, who I was very – I'm a huge Giants fan.
27:07I was very blinded by optimism in like the beginning of the spring.
27:11I yelled at Craig because he rated him Malik Nabors low on something I don't even remember.
27:16And then second surgery, like slow recovery, all this stuff.
27:19Malik Nabors has plummeted. And then do you think it's gone too far?
27:22Like you think Malik Nabors is like a value now if he's like now gone from top 20 to a top 50 player?
27:29He's in round four. And I was like starting to do some just like simple, you know, boy math here.
27:35And I was like, all right, if we take 80 – let's say 85% of his career fantasy points per game.
27:41He's still like the wide receiver 13 based off of that.
27:44And keep in mind, those games that he was playing with the Giants for the first year in the first four games,
27:50that Giants team was 31st in points, 27th in passing yards.
27:53I don't think we expect the Giants to be 31st in scoring this year.
27:57So I do think there's an outcome where he's not as good, but the environment kind of picks up a little bit
28:03because Jackson Dart and the offensive line, they made some investments.
28:07And I just think that the report from Jordan Ronan who said that he thinks he's going to be closer to the
28:13Andrew Thomas situation, which he came back in week three.
28:16He didn't start on PUP. Ronan thinks there's a chance that he could be eligible for week one, and he's not expecting
28:22this to be a huge deal because July he's made up a lot of ground.
28:26That's what they're saying from the coaching staff. So all of a sudden, I think that we've kind of hit the bottom of this.
28:33He's going to probably start the training camp on PUP.
28:36Maybe that drops his ADP a little bit. But right now, if we learn that he's going to be available in week
28:42one or week two, would we not be drafting him where Devontae Smith is, like George Pickens?
28:47That feels really appropriate for me. And if he had no injury, he would be the sixth overall player in fantasy.
28:53So I think that the injury discount, I think, is fully priced in at this point.
28:57I've recorded over a thousand shows with Hayden, and him mentioning Malik Nabors for this one floored me.
29:03But he just outlined why. Can we just go through the timeline, though, just real quick of what has happened to Malik Nabors here?
29:09I mean, an ACL and lateral meniscus tear in week four.
29:13Then surgery was delayed a month because of that meniscus.
29:15Then he had a setback, as you said. So a second surgery to remove scar tissue that was restricting his rehab.
29:21And then other than that run-on report, what we've heard all summer is that he's most likely going to start on PUP,
29:28which means what you missed the first four games.
29:30And then we don't know about the timeline and all that stuff.
29:34My biggest issue with Malik Nabors is this, that he's still going in this area of wide receivers that leave you with the question of what if.
29:41Like there's a lot of optimism around Emek Agbuka and Lad McConkie and T-Mac and Garrett Wilson.
29:46We've already talked about Jalen Waddle and Luther Burton and all these guys.
29:50Because in your head, your first response from Malik Nabors is on the board in comparison to those is, oh, well, he's injured.
29:56And it's almost like pessimism versus the extraordinary optimism of, oh, those teams are 0-0 and all these teams have improved and they're young and up-and-coming players.
30:04And so that's my biggest difficulty of not only ranking but drafting Nabors right now is who he's going around.
30:10The other thing I want to say is you don't get zero points if he misses the first three games.
30:15You still start somebody in your roster. Like you're getting some, in the first three weeks, if you can't put somebody in
30:22your roster and you're starting lineup in fantasy that's going to give you some points, that's a personal problem.
30:27Like we're not talking about later on. Like week one, you can't throw freaking Josh down in your starting lineup and get away with it.
30:34And I like all those players that you mentioned.
30:37Those receivers are all very good players. Malik Nabors, it's like almost Jamar Chase.
30:41I mean, like he is exceptional. I went back and watched him just this morning because I was getting fired up after the Ronan report.
30:48And I was like, dude, this guy was cooking everybody.
30:51His ADOT last year was 20 yards down the field, you know?
30:54So he was winning all the way down the field.
30:57He was dominating underneath the year prior. And he didn't get to have Jackson Dart.
31:01Like I was looking back, he had Tommy DeVito, Daniel Jones when he was on the Giants, all these like backup receivers.
31:08It was so bad. Like he had a stretch where he was like the wide receiver 40 for like a month.
31:13And still, if you average out his entire career, he's the wide receiver six in full PPR.
31:18Even having some of these disastrous months with quarterbacks that are going to be offensive coordinators instead of NFL quarterbacks.
31:24So I just think like if it's week one, week two, week three, and he's in the fourth round, we could survive
31:30with Josh Downs in our starting lineup for two weeks.
31:33It's easy to say round four. It's harder when I put names to it.
31:37Would you take Malik Nabors over Lad McConkie? I have Malik Nabors ranked 25th overall.
31:41I would have him over to Montesquist. 25th? I would take him over to Montesquist.
31:46So you're basically saying that you think he'll be fully healthy in week five.
31:50You'll miss the first month. And if you go three and one, and then you get Nabors in week five, it's like
31:56you had two first or second round picks for the rest of the year.
32:00And you think he's fully healthy. And then he's like an actual number one receiver rest of the season.
32:05The other thing is look at your leagues. A lot of leagues are like, let's say they're 12 person leagues.
32:11Six teams make the playoffs. Two of them have buys.
32:14You don't have to come out three and one.
32:16You can sneak into the playoffs as a fifth or sixth seed.
32:20I just look at it like if he's anywhere near himself, we're talking about a huge discount.
32:25And I think the Giants are going to be better on offense this year than when Malik Nabors was the wide receiver six in fantasy.
32:32They were legitimately 31st in points per game when Malik Nabors on the field.
32:36That's not going to happen this year. Here are the four players last year that had a 30% plus target rate.
32:42Jackson Smith and Jigba, Amon Rae St. Brown, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson.
32:45Those are the four players last year that had a 30% target rate.
32:49Malik Nabors had a 30% target rate in 2024.
32:51This is the potential to be an elite, elite player, obviously in a bad offense.
32:56But still, I mean, in fantasy, you can't get it all.
32:5930% target rate, you're almost guaranteed to score like a ton of points.
33:02Josh, why were you so shocked after a thousand episodes of Hayden that Hayden wanted Malik Nabors?
33:07I mean, because I think we recorded a show two weeks ago where we thought the sky was falling with Malik Nabors.
33:14Then Jordan Ronan says it's not going to be that bad.
33:17And I'm like, all right, I don't know fucking better than Jordan Ronan.
33:20He's only with the team every day of his life.
33:23I made the Malik Nabors thumbnail and it just says, it's bad, with Malik Nabors on it.
33:28That was because of you. That was your part of the segment, not mine.
33:32He's moving ADP. He's higher on neighbors than anyone else in the fantasy football industry.
33:36It's incredible. Let's get a new thumbnail going. Okay.
33:39Every now and then I like to pretend like, you know, as someone who is a business minor, I like to pretend I know anything.
33:46And I just like quote Warren Buffett and you sound like you're smart.
33:50But I do think there is like a couple, the two Warren Buffett things I always think about are just be bold
33:56when everyone's fearful and be fearful when everyone's bold.
33:59Which basically means like if everyone's being a little bitch, like go get, go for it.
34:03And everyone's kind of being reckless. Like, I like, yeah, maybe it was me a little bitch about Malik Nabors.
34:09And Hayden's like, just take him. And then I look at Luther Burden and everyone's like, take a Luther Burden over like,
34:15you know, the guy, like the guys we were just talking about.
34:18I'm like, yeah, that's a little nuts. So I get what you're saying, Hayden, where you're like, if Malik Nabors comes back
34:25and it's fine, it's like probably the single biggest miss there is.
34:28I'm incredibly, I don't know. What do you, DK, have you been swayed?
34:32I'm incredibly biased as a Giants fan. And I'm, yeah, I think he, yeah.
34:36I mean, obviously there is an injury fear here and he might not be himself right away, but he is an elite, elite player.
34:43You know, Hayden laid it out. Like watching him, he is, he's on that Jamar Chase level of explosiveness and power and
34:49body control, hands, run after the catch. He has like an entire, he has the entire skill set.
34:54It's easy to forget how fucking good he was in college and how good he was immediately in the NFL.
35:00So, yeah, I think this is a, a worthy risk.
35:03Um, and I, I am swayed. I don't, I don't know what I'm going to make of the Giants offense, but I
35:09do think he's just going to be the only pat, the only talent, like super talented pass catcher in this offense.
35:15The other guys they have are Darius Slayton, who I don't know what injured.
35:19He's injured himself right now too, by the way.
35:21Yeah, there we go. And Calvin Austin, you know, um, Malachi Fields, who they drafted in the third round.
35:27Like this is the target competition we're talking about.
35:29Isaiah likely. Yeah, exactly. Isaiah likely is another interesting one.
35:32Can I, can I flip it? This is a, Hayden just did a bullish on injuries.
35:37Um, take. Can I do a bearish on injuries?
35:39Take please. Say one of my favorite sleepers is Tyrone Tracy of the Giants.
35:43Watch one, watch one video of Cam Scadaboo and tell me this guy's going to stay healthy this year.
35:49You can't convince me. He said, I'm not going to hurt myself.
35:52He said, I'm hurting himself. He said it. You call him a liar.
35:56You're going to call him a liar. This guy's doing fricking backflips in some, I don't even know what context.
36:01Some people would say that when you break your tibia and you get 95% of the weight of a backflip, that's, that's good.
36:08There's not a player I trust less to stay healthy than Cam Scadaboo.
36:12Is that what you kind of want from your running back though?
36:15Like you want to be kind of a savage.
36:18You're like, um, I don't, I look, this is part, part joking.
36:21This is only half serious, but like betting on Scadaboo to stay healthy to me feels like really risky and scary.
36:27And he's going, I think he's 39th overall player right now.
36:30Like he's next to Malik neighbors. It's not cheap to get him.
36:34Um, so if you really, you know, if you, if you believe that he's not going to stay healthy, which I, that's
36:40what I believe, you know, grabbing Tracy, who's proven to be a serviceable starter when they, when they, when he gets the
36:46opportunity, um, you know, last year he, when, after Scadaboo went out, he finished as the, let's see here.
36:52Uh, shoot. I had it in front of me.
36:54He was the RB 18 in half PBR points per game.
36:57And then you can get this guy really, really late.
37:00And that was, this was on a bad, really bad giants team.
37:03So if the most, uh, if the most, uh, naturally entertaining NFL streamer, Cam Scadaboo gets injured, you can arbitrage it with Tyron Tracy.
37:10Is that what you're rooting for? Yes. Um, and it's like, you know, I think Tracy's like a decent player.
37:16He's obviously, he obviously got sort of market corrected by Scadaboo.
37:19Um, but you know, Tracy averaged 14 touches game last year in 15 games and he's a good pass catcher.
37:25Um, he had in, in the stretch after Scadaboo got hurt, which was week nine on, he had 32 targets, which was 12th among running backs.
37:32Like he, they were using him in the passing game.
37:35Um, this is not a very exciting pick, obviously, but such an old man boomer thing.
37:40You're just like, look at, you're watching the news being like, what's going on in the cities?
37:44Like you're basically just sitting there like, what are these kids up to their backflips in there?
37:49Oh, I don't know this streamer. Why are you saying, why are you going on this stream?
37:54I don't like this young guy. I don't like the cut of his jib.
37:58That is basically what you're doing. Yeah. I mean, look, we, we saw Cam Scadaboo doing backflips, but I've also seen DK do three kickflips in a row.
38:06Like this should be someone that DK should appreciate.
38:09Skateboard DK would love Cam Scadaboo. Yes. And think asthma's fake.
38:12Yes. Yeah. Um, he also landed a kick or a backflip the month prior.
38:16We know he's capable. You know, I watched him do it in the softball game.
38:20He's doing, he's doing the fact that he's doing backflips is what I'm going to be honest.
38:25If he, he got, he almost landed the backflip and it's July.
38:28I don't need him to nail the backflip to like August 30th.
38:32Like he's got time. He's done it. He's done it.
38:35Thank you. It's like Mike McDaniel talking to Quentin Johnson being like, Hey, I don't need you to turn on your routes
38:41yet until we get to training camp. You know, right now it's just run straight and fast.
38:46And that's all I need until, you know, we get to.
38:49It's not the twisties. Like he's a mobile. It's not a permanent issue.
38:52Heifetz. What did he do when he was a kid?
38:55He ran into telephone poles all the time as a hobby.
38:58You don't have to be a boomer for that to worry you.
39:02Worry me. I want a thousand of them. That's the whole reason I plug.
39:06People run into telephone poles. I want to plug in my fantasy football lineup.
39:10I don't want to know what they think about asthma.
39:13I don't want to know what he thinks about head injuries.
39:16I don't want to hear him talk to streamers.
39:18I want to watch him play football. I want him.
39:21I want him to yell. Whoa. Like whenever he can.
39:24Like he's Ric Flair. And then I want him to like, I don't know.
39:28I want him to sit. Your team sure is something, man.
39:31Between Dart and Skadaboo. My God. I. It's a Gen Z.
39:34Like. They are. You know, it's so funny. They really are the first Gen Z.
39:39True Gen Z team. Skadaboo and Dart. The Giants really are such a Gen Z team.
39:43Malik Nabors shit talking. The fucking friends. Odell is acting that way too.
39:47Oh. Odell. Juju. Juju. Juju. The oldest 29 year old in the world.
39:51Hayden, you went to USC, right? I was in class with Juju.
39:54I played. What class did you take? Yeah. What class did Juju have?
39:58It was like some sports business bullshit. Yeah. It was.
40:00It was a nothing class. Did he go to class?
40:03He went on occasion. Adore Jackson was there. You know.
40:06Wow. True NFL stars. Yeah. This is a Gen Z team though.
40:10I agree. It's weird. It blows my mind to think that Dave Gettleman gave Adore Jackson too much money for the Giants.
40:16Now that like John Harbaugh signing Juju Smith-Schuster that like freaks me out a little.
40:20Wow. The. Yeah. I'm really concerned for the Giants.
40:23I am happy to get unbiased opinions. I just keep thinking of like, I guess he.
40:27As someone who's seen people skewer the Giants for 15 years, I can just see the Giants moving on from Matt Nagy
40:33and Greg Roman next year and everyone kind of pilloring them and just being like, I don't know.
40:39I just. It's my one thing is I would have felt a lot better about the Giants if the Browns didn't hire Todd Monk.
40:45And it's like this one. Yes. Like crossroads thing that if the Giants were able to get Todd Monk as their OC
40:52and their play caller, I would have felt like much better about this offense.
40:56But then the drop down to Matt Nagy just gives me way more concern.
41:00Well, at the end of the day, Matt Nagy has been with Andy Reid forever.
41:04And Andy Reid was like, we're, we got to move on.
41:07We're good. We got to move our separate ways, which that's not good when a coach who has had a guy has him leave.
41:14And Jim Harbaugh has been with Greg Roman forever.
41:16And then he moved on from his friend, Greg Roman and had it.
41:20And John had to hire him. And I'm like, that's also bad.
41:24You have two guys running the offense who are basically like they're longtime collaborators are like, we think the game has moved beyond you.
41:30They're Milton from the office. They just put him in the basement and hope that he quits.
41:35They are. It's like they're, they're just pre-COVID schemes.
41:38Like Greg Roman's a pre-COVID scheme. And I'm really concerned for the Giants.
41:41I don't know. I'm just really worried about the, everyone agreeing that John Harbaugh was an amazing hire for the Giants while
41:48Ravens fans don't give a shit that he's gone.
41:50Just is like that. I don't know. There's some parallels to the Pete Carroll thing last year.
41:55Yes. It's very similar. If you take out all the, like an adult in the room, finally.
42:00And then you look at it and you're like, what is, I don't know.
42:04Anyway, we'll see how Nate, we'll see if he actually can practice in the middle of August.
42:09We'll see what happens in the neighbors' recovery. Speaking of the Chargers though, I will say my favorite team entering the Chargers.
42:15So I think while the last 20 years in a row, people have said the Chargers, this is the year.
42:21I think this is the year for the Chargers.
42:23I know the last 20 times people said it, they've been wrong.
42:27But it's the meme of the guy digging and trying to find the gold, right?
42:31Like stopping right before they get there. Exactly. Diamond hands on the Chargers.
42:35I really think that Chargers have a chance to be the cheat code for fantasy football in 2026.
42:40I think there's a chance you could stack the entire Chargers team on your fantasy league, which sounds insane because it's the
42:46Chargers and you're betting they're stay healthy. But I think that Justin Herbert is the best quarterback that's ever played in a Kyle Shanahan-esque system.
42:53And that's what Mike McDaniel is going to bring.
42:56And I also think Mike McDaniel replacing Greg Roman as the Chargers offensive coordinator is the biggest upgrade at offensive coordinator we've
43:02seen in the NFL since Sean McVay took over from Jeff Fisher 10 years ago.
43:06And it is hard to wrap your mind around or project how much better everyone will get when Mike McDaniel is working
43:13with Justin Herbert and an actual offensive line. And I understand, so it's like, well, they could get hurt.
43:18Yes, that is possible. But if they don't, I don't think people are prepared for the upside.
43:23Steven Ruiz and I used to joke, who Steven Ruiz here works here at the Ringer and is great, is just brilliant.
43:29We used to joke that if Justin Herbert played for Kyle Shanahan, we thought he could break Peyton Manning's passing touchdown record
43:35because Kyle Shanahan's thing is all about simplicity and creating space and allowing players to make fast decisions.
43:40And Justin Herbert is one of the fastest processors in the NFL.
43:44He's better than two at it, even though two is a good quarterback.
43:48But like Herbert is so much better. And the Chargers offensive line at his strength is so much better.
43:53And I just think every single player on the Chargers you could convince me is a great value.
43:58Mike McDaniel has compared O'Mearian Hampton to Terrell Davis, who made the Hall of Fame after basically four seasons.
44:03Keaton Mitchell is basically going to be the Devon Achan.
44:06And maybe that won't work, but he's going 140th in drafts, which is people take kickers and defenses before Keaton Mitchell will
44:13be off the board as the Chargers backup running back.
44:15And if he sucks, you can cut him. But the two guys for me to keep coming back to are Lad McConkie,
44:22who Ryan Heath at Fantasy Points that you referenced earlier, Josh, said he wrote this great article about two receiver sets, three receiver sets.
44:29Why was Jackson Smith the Jigba offensive player the leader last year?
44:32And Ryan Heath said that the most likely player that replicate JSN's usage in season is Lad McConkie.
44:37And guess what? If he gets hurt, then Quentin Johnson is another player that is going outside the top 90 picks, even
44:43though he's probably going to be the Jalen Waddell version of this Chargers team.
44:47Every single player on this team is valuable. I think Justin Herbert might win MVP.
44:52So I just think that this is like the most obvious thing that's hiding in plain sight.
44:56I know everyone keeps talking about Mike McDaniel for the Chargers coordinator, but I don't think people have actually thought what the ceiling will look like.
45:04And the ceiling is that they're the best offense in the NFL.
45:07And you actually could get every single player on the offense if you really wanted to.
45:12Yeah. Here's a whole episode for you. Hi, Fitz.
45:14Like one question that we wish could have answered prior to the season.
45:18For me, it would be, is injury luck finally on the Charger side this year?
45:22And if that's the case, if it is, then I think the only mispriced player in a negative way is Arande Gadsden in drafts.
45:29And then all of the Chargers are kind of underpriced.
45:32Like if we look at it, offensive line combinations, which by the way, a lot of teams that make the playoffs and
45:38then go on to win the Super Bowl and actual contenders have good and healthy offensive lines.
45:43And injury luck is on their side. Continuity. We all know the Chargers last year, the five starters that played the most
45:49for them, which also included some guy named DeKellis at left tackle.
45:53That was only 16.5% of their snaps. Easily 32nd across the league last year.
45:57So like they had eight left tackles. But the craziest part of that Heifetz is yes, both their tackles got hurt and
46:03both their tackles are awesome, but they also went into the season with the plan of this guard center guard combination.
46:09And those guys played and they sucked. They were horrible.
46:12And now they have all been replaced. We actually have an entire episode with Ryan Heath about that exact article.
46:18If people want to check it out on our channel, because I'm right there with you as much as I've hesitations about
46:24like Omar and Hampton a little bit in terms of how he runs and if he's as good as these other guys,
46:30I don't care about my individual evaluation. It's going to be electric with him in this Mike McDaniel offense.
46:35I can say the same thing about QJ. I don't love every single aspect of his game.
46:40And I test, I don't care. I am drafting a lot of Quentin Johnson.
46:44So this is one of those where I'm kind of putting my individual biases aside.
46:49And I love Ladd McConnake. So I'm going to select him as much as possible and just drafting as many Chargers as I can in baseball this season.
46:56I looked at the highest passing touchdown seasons since 2016 because I was looking at like the Shanahan Matt Ryan season.
47:02That's kind of my my thing. And I was looking at just the Shanahan tree.
47:07And that is five of the top nine passing touchdown seasons over the last decade have been Shanahan tree guys.
47:12Rogers with the floor Stafford last year with McVay, Joe Burrow, Baker Mayfield with Liam Cohen, Matthew Stafford.
47:18Once again, I'm the Sean McVay. Matt Ryan's on that list.
47:21Rogers did it again. And then the other ones is like my homes, Tom Brady, Lamar Jackson, like total aliens and whatever schemes they're running.
47:28Yeah, like this could go absolutely crazy. I will say the interior offensive line.
47:32It still is. You know, the commanders just cut Tyler B.
47:35Odds for some reason. I don't know why they did that.
47:38That was a misread of the center market. That was that was really bad.
47:42That was total misread. And then Cole Strange is the right guard.
47:45And then their left guard is a center who's now switching positions to left guard from Florida rookie there.
47:51So I think that they're still gonna have some issues.
47:54I think McDaniel is gonna take care of this.
47:56I love loud McConkie. And Herbert's like riding that threshold where if you can get them late enough, I think if you've
48:03kind of filled your flex and Herbert's now your starting quarterback, I think that's where I'd be pretty soaked out of them.
48:09Heifetz mentioned the upgrade in offensive coordinator going from Rowan to McDaniel.
48:12And then I mentioned this before. I think this is potentially one of the biggest quarterback upgrades offensive coordinator could have going from Tua, who is like limited.
48:20Obviously, he does some things very well, like processing, getting the ball out quickly.
48:24But like in terms of physical limits. Yeah. There's no one is more physically limited.
48:28I think in the NFL as a starting caliber quarterback than Tua.
48:32And Herbert is maybe the freakish, like most freakish athlete other than Josh Allen.
48:36The real most are unlimited. Apologies to Russell Wilson.
48:38Yeah. Just to throw a little cold water on Austin, just drop this note in our chat, which is a good point.
48:45I need a cold shower. From week three to week 10.
48:48This is the Chargers schedule. Road bills, road Seahawks, home Broncos, road Chiefs, road Rams, home Texans, road Ravens.
48:53Okay. That's scary. Didn't love that. That is the, I think, obviously, apart from just being, you know, snake bit.
48:59So there'll be bad for them and then everyone will get hurt through 10 weeks.
49:03And then or just trade for them after the shitty thing.
49:06No, that is a little scary. Part of me is like, yeah, some of those could be shootouts.
49:11That's fair. Also, like, yeah, it's obvious that this could suck because I'm talking about the Chargers staying healthy and being good
49:18for the 20th year in a row. So I think, I think the way I'd look at it is if you're really
49:24a bullet, basically all these guys, you can jump in wherever you think the water's fine.
49:28I think at the very least you should take Keaton Mitchell as long as he's going outside the first like 12 rounds,
49:35because then it's like, take a free piece. And then if you're just basically like, I don't know if I want like
49:41Kenny Gainwell in the Bucs, then maybe you could get like Quentin Johnson or maybe you don't want Jonathan Brooks off like
49:47who's barely played in the NFL and you end up taking Quentin Johnson.
49:51Because again, if you think Ladd McConkie is going to get hurt and something, Quentin Johnson is going to be the number one receiver.
49:58And in all these receiver sets for a Mike McDaniel Herbert offense.
50:01And I don't love Quentin Johnson as a player, but he no longer is like the worst receiver in the NFL at catching the football.
50:08He got closer to average and he's a perfect fit for Mike McDaniel with crossers and all these things he does.
50:14He fits with, and again, getting Quentin Johnson running before pre-line of scrimmage, which Mike McDaniel does more than anyone like John.
50:21I mean, he had a huge touchdown versus Jim Harbaugh's Michigan.
50:24I mean, yeah, like run after the catch in space.
50:26He's dangerous. It's perfect for Mike McDaniel. And then if you are actually bullish beyond that, you're again, if you want to
50:33free, you can get a Rondé Gadsden, the tight end, Ladd McConkie.
50:36I think he's going to be the number one where I think getting so get a charger on your team.
50:42How much charger is how much you think it's whether I'm talking to my ass or not, that they'll stay healthy.
50:48Maybe you don't care about the schedule, but I'm just, I don't want to miss this.
50:52I want to ask Josh and Hayden what they make of the Keaton Mitchell versus Omar and Hampton split.
50:58And basically like, I think part of me thinks I'm wish cast, wish casting the Keaton Mitchell thing a little bit too much because I love Keaton Mitchell.
51:06It is a little weird. The Ravens were just like, yeah, we're good.
51:09Go ahead. Leave. It's kind of the same thing that we were talking about earlier with the coaches.
51:15Um, and you know, like comparing him to HN is exciting, but like Hampton is going to get the vast majority of the volume.
51:21Isn't he like, how, how do you guys see this split going in reality versus, you know, thinking about McDaniel, putting the
51:28wanted poster up in the, in the, in the facility and like getting excited about that stuff.
51:33I mean, I'm, I'm excited about Brennan Thompson because he, because he was like calling him a Tyree killer or whatever.
51:38Um, but yeah, what do you guys think about this Keaton Mitchell, um, Hampton split and like, what do you really expect this to be?
51:46DK isn't Keaton Mitchell, like the perfect player for our fancy football bubble to obsess over for three to four months in
51:52the summer when he makes the move into Mike McDaniels offense, because you know, you can sort by, you know, rushing yards are expected or explosive plays.
52:00And, you know, depending on underlying metrics you want to look at, uh, he ranks super high in, in all of those,
52:06uh, again, I am not obsessed with Amar and Hampton as an individual talent.
52:10I also think that this is the perfect system for him where Mike McDaniel offenses during his time in Miami ranked fifth
52:16in yards per rush for running backs, fifth in success rate and first in explosive play rate.
52:21We know Hampton had a 0.27 miss tackles force rate this past year.
52:25What McDaniel is so good as giving these guys space and just allowing them the ability to get in the open area
52:31and use whatever traits that they have. And then Martin Hampton is just a big ass dude who's super freaking fast.
52:37When he gets rumbling, it is a sight to see for sure.
52:40He's a runaway beer truck. So I, I think it's going to be at worst 70 30.
52:45I'm worried that Kamani Vidal is going to play the passing downs because he's the best pass protector.
52:50And I thought Hampton was terrible in pass protection.
52:53He's a good receiver, but the pass protection part is going to be an issue.
52:57So if like, if it's not like 70 30, it's actually, you know, keep that split, but also it's 20% Kamani Vidal.
53:03That's where it's like, okay, I'm trying to make the math work at 14th overall.
53:08So I have Hampton like 22nd overall. I think it's going to be like outstanding when he gets the ball in his
53:14hands, but I don't think that he was like super consistent as a rusher.
53:18I thought he was sometimes a little bit indecisive.
53:20You never know. That's just because he didn't trust the blocking, which he obviously shouldn't, but I thought that he was like by himself indecisive.
53:27And I do think that Keaton Mitchell is like going to get eight touches a game.
53:32I think they, they have to, they gave him five, $5 million guaranteed $9 million over the next two seasons.
53:38Like that's like Rico Dowdle money. Like we're not like questioning if Rico Dowdle is going to get the ball.
53:43Um, the, the, this is such an obvious fit.
53:46The money is there. Um, to me, like the Hampton evaluation, I think it's just like if it's three running backs and
53:52it's actually Kamani Vidal out there as well, like that's going to be a pretty, pretty big bummer for a top 15 pick.
53:59One final point, DK, do we have to decide between the two?
54:02Because I know, you know, we're not going to get exactly what we got in 2023 from that Dolphins offense with this
54:08Chargers offense, but in that 2023 season for Devon HN's rookie year and where he Mostert, you know, those guys were running
54:15back three and running back four and points per game.
54:18Now where he most are, it was what over 30 and had the most touchdowns other than John Riggins for a 30 plus year old.
54:25And you know, Devon HN, it took him some time, but then he became one of the most explosive players in the league.
54:31I guess my point is, however, the rushing tack is going to be, it's going to be incredibly successful.
54:37And I just want to draft the pieces that are attached to it.
54:40And, uh, I'm surprised at how in on Hampton I am this year.
54:44I love that. I'm probably wrong. Cause everyone's always wrong about the charges, but everyone who's ever played for Mike McDaniel had the best performance of their career.
54:52And I keep thinking about that. Uh, Hayden, another person I like a lot this year is Christian Watson.
54:57And I was hoping someone would bring me down to earth.
55:01Cause I just, this is a player I don't understand why everyone's not as high as me.
55:05And I saw you on, uh, he was on your list, which made me feel a little less crazy.
55:11What do you like season like calendar season as he finishes the wide receiver 17 on a per game basis?
55:16Like that is, that makes sense. And that goes back to the Malik neighbor stuff.
55:21Like I literally just watched Christian Watson do this, who did it when the playoffs or week 18 and well, at least
55:27Malik neighbors tore his ACL and you know, week four, but these freak athletes who have youth on their size, like on
55:33their side, they can go absolutely crazy coming back from some of these seasons.
55:37He looked really good to me. Um, he's obviously the perfect fit for what Jordan love wants to do down the field,
55:43but it was not just like deep shot after deep shot last year for Christian Watson.
55:48There's a little bit more versatility to his game.
55:51They got rid of wicks. They let Dobbs walk.
55:53There's not going to be a rotation anymore. He's going to be on the field every single snap.
55:58I think Matthew golden will be on the field for almost every snap.
56:02And then Jaden Reed in the slot. I don't understand why there's not more optimism here.
56:07Like I haven't ranked back to back with Jameson Williams is Jameson Williams that much better than Christian Watson in real life.
56:13I think that's a true toss up. And I think there's a decent chance that Christian Watson is going to lead this
56:19team in targets and there's no chance that's going to happen with Jameson Williams, unless there's like an unpredictable injury.
56:25Um, they go more than around apart. I think that Christian Watson should be right next to Terry McLaurin, Jameson Williams, all those guys.
56:32Uh, I think the more I think about that, I think I'd rather have Christian Watson than Terry McLaurin straight up.
56:38I think he's like a little bit better of a player.
56:41Uh, and this offense is a little bit more bankable, uh, from just watching Jordan love all, all these years.
56:46Yeah. I mean, Watson totally changed his game and the usage with him change as well.
56:51Like we can go back to his rookie season and just the high variance of it, that he was running so pure
56:57and so hot on the downfield passes from Aaron Rogers.
57:00Whereas this last year, I just pulled some of the stats of like just the targets that were given to him and
57:06they were just way more gimmies, which is great.
57:09Like we're not living on these 20 plus yard passes over and over again for Christian Watson anymore.
57:14Instead, he's the go-to player for them on second medium go-to player for them on, on third and short.
57:19I mean, just pure out routes that jumped in the first, what three years of his career at 7.7% of the routes
57:26that he ran and his targets that he got up to 35% this past season.
57:30Whenever you think of Jordan love, it's these out patterns over and over and over again, along with the deep posts and
57:36the corner routes on top of it. So I think Watson is the premier player pass catcher in this offense now other
57:42than Tucker craft, but even how they win is totally different too.
57:46So you're not going to get any negative feedback from Christian Watson and us.
57:50Uh, high fits guys like Christian Watson going. So later, why I kind of feel comfortable taking like a bunch of running
57:56backs and being like, maybe I'll just grab Derek Henry in if, when he falls in round three, cause people are scared
58:02of taking Derek Henry as the oldest running back in the NFL.
58:06And then I can get Christian Watson as my second or maybe even third receiver, depending how things go.
58:11And I just feel like that is a cheat code.
58:14And that's what makes me want to like get quarterback later and all these things.
58:18I just, I agree with Hayden. I think that the upside for Christian Watson, cause not it's so it's a fool's errand
58:25to be like, who's this year's JSN? It's like when people are like the giants or this year's Patriots.
58:30I'm like, well, there is no Patriots this year.
58:33No 80 to one team is going to make the Superbowl.
58:36But if you are just trying to pick which receiver of that, like next tier down is going to maybe join the upper echelon.
58:42I'm like, yeah, to me it is more like Christian Watson.
58:46I wouldn't be shocked if it was a Mecca, a healthy Malik neighbors.
58:49I agree that like, I think Terry McLaurin is like a harder path there.
58:53Like Watson just, he's, he's just a playmaker. I think he transformed the Packers offense when he came back.
58:59DK, am I high on my own supply? No, I think I have a blind spot for, with Christian Watson a little
59:05bit where it's just, I think about him getting hurt and that is kind of a turn.
59:10Well, it's not a blind spot. You just watched all the games.
59:13He wasn't there. But yeah, I mean, I think I agree with everything you guys are saying in terms of like the
59:19talent is very obvious and very clear. Big guy who can run like the wind in an offense that we trust, a
59:26play caller that we trust, a quarterback that's been very good.
59:29And there's a lot of variables here that kind of line up for a big season.
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60:21Terms apply. I was going to bring up one more guy if you guys want to talk about him.
60:26Because I don't know where to land on him.
60:29He's certainly not a good value necessarily or a sleeper, but Basial Tootin for the Jags is a player that I wanted
60:35to bring up because I don't know where I land on him.
60:39I think I want to be in on him, but there's just a lot of uncertainty.
60:43Can you remind us of the Tootin scouting report for those who aren't versed in which is intense football?
60:49It is like electric speed and tackle breaking and runaways, like big plays basically and a good pass catcher, but kind of
60:55just didn't really show any of that his rookie year and kind of got stuck behind Travis Achan, Travis Etienne.
61:00But going into the season, Etienne, Achan is now on the Saints.
61:04There is this potential for a massive boost in volume for Tootin.
61:07There's just an open, huge amount of open volume in the Jags offense.
61:11In an offense that, you know, with Cohen, Liam Cohen, he's generally speaking had created a lot of opportunity for his running backs.
61:18So whether we're taking Chris Rodriguez or Basial Tootin, that is the question.
61:21I think right now Rodriguez is hurt and that is kind of the tiebreaker for me that I'm rather just take the
61:28explosive guy that has been pretty good when used, you know, near the goal line.
61:32He's thicker guy than I think people give him credit for.
61:35He's small. He's not, he's short, not small kind of deal.
61:38He's like a thick explosive runner with 4'3 speed.
61:41Not a lot of proven production. But I mean, if you look at like last year, I was just like picking out some stats.
61:47I was looking at this. I thought it was interesting.
61:50Among running backs with 200 plus snaps last year, in points per snap, because he didn't play a ton of snaps.
61:56He was like 20% snap rate. Yep. In points per snap, everybody around him is like really good players.
62:02You got the guys in the NFL, Henry, Cook, Gibbs, A-chan, Skadavu, Warren, Jacobs, Jalen Warren, and Josh Jacobs were the guys that are ahead of them.
62:09The guys right below him are Jonathan Taylor, CMC, Bijon, and Travion Henderson.
62:13So that's obviously like a cherry picked stat. But like in terms of points per touch, points per snap, I think he
62:19did show a little bit of potential. So yeah, I haven't actually heard your guys' take on Tune.
62:24So I'm very curious to hear what you think.
62:27No, I said earlier, the question I want answered is that the Chargers have good injury luck.
62:32Maybe the second one is, hey, give me the backfield split of the Jacksonville Jaguars, because we need to get the Liam Cohen backfield correct this year.
62:39And if we do, then that like automatically puts you in playoff contention in your fantasy leagues.
62:44Because just over the last two years when Liam Cohen has called plays, that's Bucky Irving's rookie year.
62:49And then it was Travis A-chan last year, right?
62:52And that's what we have. And that's pretty dang good.
62:55And, you know, whatever offensive line he goes to, whether they invest a lot or not, he has rushing success.
63:01Yes, Tootin is fascinating. Because what? He was like a zero-star recruit, and quote me if I'm wrong here, Hayden and DK,
63:07but like Delaware, and then transferred up to... North Carolina A&T.
63:10I'm way off. And then finished up... He spent one season at North Carolina A&T is what I'm seeing.
63:15He was zero-star, though. And then went to Virginia Tech.
63:18And, you know, what? Liam Cohen and... Who's the boy genius?
63:21Gladstone. James Gladstone. Funny... Dookie Hauser, we call him.
63:24Yeah. Are we sure he's a genius? That's kind of what I'm saying here.
63:28The funniest thing to me was Gladstone said in his interview to become GM of this team is like, oh, yeah, we're going to draft Bachelot Tootin.
63:36And that's like way early in the draft process to say that stuff.
63:39But it seems like he and Liam just care so much about yards over expected and forced missed tackles and all this stuff.
63:46Final point is I think he just lost his balance way too much last season.
63:50Like there were opportunities where he just tripped over his own foot after making the first man miss.
63:55And so that turned, you know, a 17 or 27 yard game into a seven yard run.
64:00And that just happened way too often for a guy that played 21% of offensive snaps.
64:05But at the same time, when you lose someone like Travis Achan and you replace it with Bachelot Tootin and Chris Rodriguez,
64:11then at least that seems like there's a lot of money in the bank here and credit that Tootin did behind the
64:17scenes for him to like have at least the first opportunity to be the lead back.
64:22And hopefully he just doesn't drop that opportunity. I'm undecided on this one.
64:25I'm just going to listen to John Shipley in training camp.
64:28I will say that the hard part with this is Liam Cohen coached Chris Rodriguez in college.
64:33And Kentucky. Yeah. And Chris Rodriguez went crazy. And then that's who they bring in.
64:38And then it was one of those when we were reacting to the free agency week.
64:42It's like, oh, Chris Rodriguez to Jacksonville. And everyone's like, oh, perfect.
64:46Bachelot Tootin to the moon. And then like an hour later, it's like for $10 million.
64:50Everyone's like, what? $10 million. That's like a lot more money than I was expecting.
64:54So that's difficult. When I think of Tootin, there was a play that stood out last year.
64:59They ran a screen to the right. All the offensive linemen went to the right.
65:03He went to the left. Now he caught it and scored a touchdown.
65:07He made a couple guys miss. It was unbelievable.
65:10Liam Cohen's like, what do I do with that?
65:12He is going the wrong way. By the way, everybody in Jacksonville was going the wrong way pre-snap.
65:17And during the plays, I don't know what the hell was going on there.
65:21So I don't know what Liam Cohen thinks of Tootin.
65:24I know that he thinks highly of Chris Rodriguez.
65:27All the fancy boy stats, by the way, like yards after contact and stuff.
65:31Chris Rodriguez was just straight up better than Tootin.
65:33So it's like one of these hard things where like the nerds want Tootin to matter.
65:38But don't look at the nerd stats from the pros because then you have to admit that Chris Rodriguez is actually good.
65:44So it's one of these we just don't have a good read on it.
65:48I'm just going to listen to Shipley and pretend that the rookie season didn't exist.
65:52Reminds me a lot of Travion Henderson at the Patriots last year where everyone wants Travion Henderson to be this crazy explosive big play on a team.
66:00And then Ramondre Stevenson, even after fumbling, just the coach loves him.
66:04And I'm like Chris Rodriguez is basically going later than Ramondre was last year.
66:08And I could totally see Chris Rodriguez actually being a value because we all want to disappear him.
66:13I will say, I know I just said Keaton Mitchell could be A-Chan, but I think that Basial Tootin, the upside is he's like A-Chan.
66:20Like he is actually probably the fastest running back of actual substance to come in since A-Chan.
66:25A-Chan is underrated vision. But I do think the reason Tootin didn't get so many touches was a combination of he needed more seasoning.
66:31And they were like, well, they knew they were going to let Travis, the artist formerly known as Travis Etienne, go in free agency.
66:38And so they used the tread on the tires and they're like, we'll use these guys this year.
66:43And a lot more this year. But Rodriguez might be better.
66:46And you also have LaQuint Allen eating, what, 15 to 20% of snaps no matter what.
66:51Great pass pro. Yeah. Tremendous pass pro guy. There's all the little things right.
66:55Two minute, four minute, second, third long. Special teams.
66:58He's a madman on special teams too. Yeah. He's wild.
67:00Coach's favorite. To be clear, Chris Rodriguez, surgery on his left foot.
67:04Yep. Don't love surgery on your foot in the summer.
67:07They're saying he's going to be ready for training.
67:09Well, maybe it was like a bunion. But we'll see.
67:12I do think, yes, this is a, I'm kind of in the same boat.
67:16I'm like, I'm excited about Tootin because I'm holding on to my priors.
67:20I liked him coming out. I thought he was a really exciting player.
67:23But a lot of times coaches kind of go with the guy that they trust more.
67:28And that could end up being Rodriguez. But if Rodriguez is hurt, this is kind of moot.
67:33And I think you're going to get a lot of value with Tootin if he is hurt.
67:38If he doesn't play early on, like that is Tootin to the moon.
67:41These are a lot of favorite players before we go.
67:44Are there any parting thoughts on just the season, these players, anything, Josh, Hayden, anything that sticks out to you after talking about this?
67:51I'll just say there are a lot of players we dislike as well.
67:55So it sounds like for this episode, we like the entire league.
67:58That is not the case. Like if you want to bring up Marvin Harrison Jr., Hayden might just lead the program.
68:04I will. No, we always joke at the end of every season, we write down things that no matter what, we will not talk ourselves.
68:11It's like the Odyssey basically. It's like siren songs.
68:14And one of them was I will not rank Marvin Harrison over Michael Wilson no matter what anyone tells me, no matter what.
68:20No, I'm not going to. I have to. I have to.
68:24I know. I lied also. First of all, go.
68:26I'm going to keep you guys for one more thing.
68:29You guys have been very generous with your time.
68:31Please go to YouTube. It's Josh and Hayden on YouTube.
68:34Yahoo Fantasy Football launches. What day, Josh? July 27th.
68:37Monday. Go check it out. Their show is unbelievable.
68:39I'm going to keep you even longer. I'm going to ask you real quick, Dad Corner, because all of you guys are dads except me.
68:47My brother just had a baby. I actually changed a diaper for the first time two weeks ago.
68:52Oh. Because they're trying to get me to babysit immediately and actually not look at their phone.
68:57Any dad stories, dad advice? High Fitz, let me ask you.
69:00Or uncle advice. With that diaper, how old are we talking here with the child?
69:04Like is it still that super dark brown shit?
69:06Or is it now? Yeah, month old. Dijon mustard.
69:09Yeah. Okay. That changes quickly. I've been told it will be, you know, man never steps in the same river twice.
69:15I just took my six and a half month old to Ireland.
69:18And both times we landed, that landing forced him to have a blowout.
69:22So both times I had to allow the entire plane to exit as I was in the tiny, tiny bathroom of an
69:28airplane as he's pitching a fit, trying to change his blowout along with his clothes on top of it.
69:34So I'm not sure what landings do to him, but something nasty.
69:37Yeah, it's tough. DK had a blowout last time we were in a plane.
69:41Yeah, yeah. That was tough. Landings, man. It's genetics for me.
69:44All right. So Hayden, how old is you? You have a two-year-old?
69:48Yeah, approaching two. My advice would be don't have a kid in October if you cover the sport.
69:53That's one piece of advice. That's why they traded you.
69:56We are looking at it. Now, credit to me.
69:58I took like two weeks off and I got right back in there.
70:02So I think I earned some stripes there. I think for you, Danny, if you can prove that you can change a
70:08diaper and feed them, your brother is going to love you.
70:11Like, I'm trying to get my brother to – that can trust him, that he's willing to change a diaper.
70:17I'm not there yet. So babysitting becomes harder. So if you want to step up, like you changing the diaper this early
70:23on, like that's a great sign for the family dynamic right there.
70:27You got to learn how to do a swaddle.
70:29Do you know how to swaddle yet? Oh, man.
70:32I got competitive. I've tried to swaddle my cat to cut his nails and I can't even do that.
70:37It's probably much harder actually than a baby. But the swaddle, you just kind of tie them up like a little caterpillar or whatever.
70:44Wow. It's pretty complicated. They have – well, now they have the Velcro straps and stuff.
70:49We quickly – we tried to do the blankets and then you're like, oh, they got the ones with the Velcro.
70:55They have new technology. Yeah, the technology is going fast.
70:57My biggest learning lesson has been as soon as you nail down a routine, that routine changes.
71:02So like for when my son was, I don't know, two months old, I had this whole routine that would span almost
71:0945 minutes to get him down to like finally go to sleep.
71:12And I would like sit him up at first so he could burp and we'd listen to the same songs and rock back and forth.
71:19And then I put him in his clothes and then I did some more rocking so he'd fall asleep.
71:24Then I swaddled him. And as soon as we freaking got that nailed, he didn't want to do that anymore.
71:30Never get your hopes up with sleep. Never get your hopes up.
71:34So that changed quickly. So now we're in a different one.
71:37Yeah, you just got to be able to roll with the punches really for the first like four years.
71:42Four years? Three years, maybe? I don't know. Four years is a long time.
71:46They also get more fun, you know, as every month they're doing new bits.
71:50Like my son's like officially doing bits now. So that's like that's that's that's that gets exciting.
71:55Does he like Marvin Harrison Jr. this year? Is that his bit?
71:58No, no. I've taught him well. What's a bit from a two-year-old?
72:02Oh, well, he says like bye. Like we had a we got a bounce house for the Fourth of July and he
72:08waves bye bye to the backyard every single time to the bounce house.
72:12We the gardeners are a big thing. He'll like chase down the gardeners and then he wants to vacuum.
72:17We bought him two toy vacuums and he just wants to vacuum all day.
72:21So whenever we go pick. Yeah, exactly. So we're teaching him chores and stuff.
72:25He doesn't know it's it. Maybe it's my bit of teaching him the chores.
72:29It's not his bit. But he's going along with the bit, which is all you could ask for.
72:34That's great. I'm still trying to get Calvin to like help around the house.
72:38It's an ongoing battle. So that's a good sign.
72:41Calvin knows every whale that there's ever been. Calvin can name like 150 birds based on these like bird.
72:46Wow. Like flashcards. He can't do the bird calls like that one.
72:50I was going to ask. He's not going to go viral.
72:53All right. Well, you guys have been very generous of your time.
72:56Thank you for the data advice. Thank you. Thank you guys players.
73:00I'll just take these guys and that way I'll do it.
73:03If they do well, then it's my credit. And then if they do terribly, I'm just going to blame you guys.
73:09So thank you for that. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Josh and Hayden.
73:12Please go check out the YouTube. Please just check out their pod.
73:16It's fantastic. Coming out July 27th. Thank you to Cam.
73:19Thank you to Nikhil. Thank you to Austin. Thank you to Abu.
73:22Thank you to everyone behind the scenes. Thank you to Craig, wherever you are in Hawaii.
73:27Please get tan. And Craig always says a millennial banger.
73:29So I'm going to put on a hanger. Hayden, you have to come up with just a millennial banger song from whenever
73:36you were in high school or college because we're the same age.
73:39So thank you, Lord. Lord. Hayden, what do you got here?
73:42Can you think of a song? I'm thinking like any of the Akon songs.
73:46That's where I went to. T-Pain, Sprung. Yeah. Anything T-Pain, Akon.
73:49I love that. Fantastic. Actually, you know what? I had a song like queued up here in case Heifetz sent it to me.
73:56Remember Cyclone by Baby Bash featuring T-Pain? Hell yeah.
73:58Hell yeah. That song is like in a dance club or like in a bar where people are dancing.
74:04Like nothing is going to set the dance floor off more than that song, I feel like.
74:09Danny, I wore this Alice in Chains shirt because I knew you were a Seattle guy.
74:13I didn't know if you were an Alice in Chains guy or not, but that's my favorite band.
74:18Oh my God. I heard we heard some Alice in Chains in the bar the other day.
74:23I went to the Mariners game and they were playing Alice in Chains.
74:27I was like, this is so cliche, but I actually love it.
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