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1:27My name is Danny Heifetz, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly And that was a weird intro.
1:32It's late. It is overtime. The Chiefs just beat the Colts.
1:36It's 33-30, and it took so long that it's broken my brain.
1:39I don't know what year it is, because the Chiefs are just an inevitable, unstoppable winning machine, and the Chargers fumbled six times.
1:46And a bunch of others, like, I mean, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers are kind of passive-aggressively blaming each other for losing a football game.
1:54I don't know if it's 2018 or if it's 2026, TK.
1:57Time is a flat circle, I once heard. Yeah, the Chiefs look good.
2:01Look, I actually was pretty impressed with the Colts in that Sunday night game, but yeah, the Chiefs are inevitable.
2:07Overtime, never give the ball back. It's like never starting a land war in Asia.
2:12Why are you giving the ball back to Patrick Mahomes with three minutes left in overtime?
2:17Yeah, I don't care that it was fourth and eight.
2:20It's like, you know if you kick that field goal, you're losing the game.
2:24Oh, come on. You're giving them shit for that?
2:27They called a play, and if there was going to be a blitz, they were going to go for it.
2:33I actually respect that they even tried it. Better than Aaron.
2:36Aaron Glenn would have just ran the clock out.
2:39Okay. Aaron Glenn's a horrible coach. I don't know why that's the comparison.
2:43Call a timeout, run a different play. You're guaranteeing a loss.
2:46You're on the road. It's Patrick Mahomes. Everyone, literally everyone on Twitter was like, oh, there's no way in hell the Chiefs aren't scoring here.
2:54Both teams were just marching down the field. Everyone knew immediately.
2:57It's a good thing the Chiefs won, because I think if the Colts won, I don't really know what my takeaway would be.
3:04Like, it'd be weird. Like, I feel like I just assumed the Colts are going to win the game, the whole game.
3:11I mean, the Chiefs are going to win the game the whole time.
3:15And then when the Colts just kept hanging around, it made me consider if the Colts are actually a good team.
3:21And that, you know, the Colts we saw from last year, the first eight weeks, I don't think they're that.
3:27But they might be closer to that than some opposite version.
3:30I thought the Colts were really impressive today. And Mahomes and everything was great.
3:35And he looks awesome. And Kenneth Walker's unstoppable. And it's like a completely new offense.
3:39But, man, Colts, you got to give it to them.
3:42No Alec Pierce. Like, they looked pretty good today.
3:45I thought considering how much the Colts are relying on Laquan Treadwell in 2026, I was pretty blown away at overall how they competed.
3:52I don't know. The Chiefs, though, they do. They are just back.
3:56Like, they have a strong offensive line, which is always the weak point.
4:00But Ken Walker and Emmitt Johnson just kind of materializing for this team this year.
4:04Such a big difference in their offense, those two guys.
4:08It's first of all, just having that number 10.
4:10Also, Emmitt Johnson just feels larger than he actually is to me.
4:14I don't know why that one catch he had where he's just doing, like, the jump back, jump back, and then going forward.
4:21But I feel like they make Travis Kelsey faster.
4:24I feel like they make Taequann Thornton more open.
4:26Like, what they do, they just, you know, the whole point of the Andy Reid offense is they want to be able
4:33to use the whole, like, you know, every blade of grass.
4:36It actually feels like the Chiefs are using every blade of grass now.
4:40I feel like this is the best this offense has looked the last two weeks that the Chiefs have looked in three years.
4:47Heifetz, you said you don't know what year it is.
4:50Also, Travis Kelsey having 100 yards and a touchdown in this game felt like Travis Kelsey from 2019.
4:56And he said, they said on the broadcast that Kelsey's in much better shape this year than he is last year.
5:02And then he got some new trainer. He's doing new whatever.
5:06To me, it's very obvious. He looks good. Yeah, he's moving well.
5:09He got in wedding shape. Yeah. 100%. That's what it is.
5:12You got to look great for the wedding. And he seems lighter.
5:16He seems more spry. He seems faster. Makes a ton of sense.
5:20This was an interesting game. Obviously, it was like, I mean, John Taylor, Ken Walker, this already feels like these are the best two running backs right now.
5:28But there was a lot of weird reviews in this game.
5:32I mean, it was weird enough the whole Keenan Allen got a first down, but we have one camera angle of it like it was the JFK assassination.
5:40They showed the other angle. And it was like, oh, first down.
5:44We can see the ball. I was so confused by that, and I want to make sure I understand what happened.
5:50They were saying that Keenan Allen almost definitely probably got a first down, but we can't see when he caught it, and
5:57we don't want to assume, so we can't just give it to him.
6:01As if Sunday Night Football, they literally have like 40 cameras at this game, right?
6:05Yeah. I respect it because Tirico was actually like, I don't get this, and this is dumb.
6:10And you know that- Wouldn't let it go, which was great.
6:14Yeah. When the broadcasters are like, all right, this doesn't make any sense.
6:18I know that the call is incredibly stupid. Does the NFL not have access to the Sunday Night Football feed?
6:24I feel like they- I thought they do. No, they do.
6:27They definitely do. So that- yeah, it was just very bizarre.
6:31It's like maybe they didn't have that angle. It's not that simple, but like the refs are using the television cameras.
6:37Like NBC is giving the referees the angles. But then that became prologue for the end of regulation, which was insane.
6:43Sorry, not the end of regulation. No, the first discussion of the Colts.
6:47The first discussion for the Colts, right? Which became the Laquan Treadwell catches this- It ended up not being so consequential, but
6:54at the time it seemed insane where he makes this- Basically has this huge catch, puts them inside the red zone for Indianapolis.
7:01And then Laquan Treadwell stands up and the ball gets punched out immediately.
7:05And then it's whether Laquan Treadwell was grazed, like a light breeze just swept by him or not, and whether he was touched.
7:12And I feel like they literally, NFL was like, we don't know, but we feel like if the NFL League office gives
7:19the Chiefs a win, literally on Sunday Night Football, everyone's just going to never drop the referees like the Chiefs thing, and they had to calm down.
7:27I think the letter of the law in terms of how the rule is written, I do think that it was the right call.
7:34I don't know. Like, it was really, really close, obviously.
7:37So if you didn't see, basically, the Chiefs defender grazed Treadwell's hip as he had, like, almost simultaneously as he actually gained possession of the football.
7:45Because he was bobbling it for a little bit.
7:48Yeah, he was bobbling it. The guy touched him before he actually secured it.
7:52And then right when he secured it, the guy barely grazed his hip, and then he got up and ran, and then he fumbled.
7:59So they called him down based on that graze, which is, like, spiritually, like, it's a weird football thing to say because he's, like, barely touched him.
8:07But, like, letter of the law, I do feel.
8:10In my gut, I told you guys at this time, do you think they got it right?
8:15I don't know. It was really close. They definitely got it right.
8:19I think in the beginning, everybody only saw the shoulder grab and then the jersey touch, but then there was, like, a third.
8:26The hip touch at the end, I didn't see the first couple of times.
8:30And then once they pointed that out, it became more clear.
8:34So I do think they got the right call.
8:36I just love that the NFL, it really does feel like every other week, there's, like, a play that I've never seen before.
8:43And I'm like, I don't know how they're going to call that.
8:47Dude, yeah. Their casebook, isn't that what they have?
8:50Some casebook of just, like, really unique plays? It must be so fucking huge.
8:54It's remarkable how many times I'm like, I've never seen that before.
8:58It's every week. You're so right. I mean, this Gushikin guy coming in for the Colts and just instantly, like, breaking up
9:04a crucial Rasheed Rice catch, like, immediately and just making a tackle on his first play.
9:09This was a Stars and Scrubs game. It's like Jonathan Taylor gets two touchdowns.
9:13Kenneth Walker is everywhere. Patrick Mahomes. Like, and then you have Gushikin.
9:17You have Laquan Treadwell, who I believe was out of the NFL period for two years.
9:22I can't believe he was playing in this game.
9:25I mean, you know, it's not so fun. But, like, when these guys can't make a team, like, they try and try and keep working out.
9:32And they don't usually ever get back. Laquan Treadwell was straight up, did not have a target.
9:38He had three targets in the NFL since 2022.
9:40And he was a crucial game tonight. Do you know what the odds are of playing?
9:45I would like to know this. I don't know it off the top of my head.
9:50Like, what are the odds of any given prospect, take it in the first round, say, that plays 11 years in the league?
9:57This is Treadwell's 11th year. I'm like, he has defied the odds.
10:01He's probably, like, the 1% of players drafted in the first round that play for 11 years.
10:06So, anyways, it's just kind of fascinating that he was in there making big plays.
10:10That was obviously partly because Alec Pierce got hurt, which sucks, but it's just not surprising.
10:15Kind of like the whole offseason that he had, the injury, the late surgery, or waiting to, like, see if he needed surgery.
10:22And then, you know... The whole Alec Pierce signs, goes in Pat Mc...
10:26It signs at noon, 12 on the dot, goes in Pat McAfee for free agency at 12.01, and it's like, we're so happy.
10:33And then two weeks later, it's like, by the way, I needed surgery on my ankle the entire time.
10:39Not healthy for training camp. Gets injured tonight. It just...
10:42And Collinsworth immediately noted, like, it changes the Colts offense a ton.
10:46I don't know. Yeah, that's too bad about Pierce.
10:48But then, you know, so if he's gone, then Keenan Allen seems like he'll get suspended at some point.
10:54So it's going to be Josh Towns and a lot of Laquan Treadwell for the Colts.
10:59And Tyler Moore, yeah. But then the Chiefs defense played great.
11:02I mean, again, other guys, like, I mean, no.
11:05I mean, LeGarrius Sneed being back for the Chiefs has totally reinvigorated the secondary.
11:09No Williams, like George Karloftis is playing great. They just...
11:12I don't know. The Chiefs, they do feel like a Super Bowl team again.
11:17I know that's a stupid thing to say, but I don't just mean, like, Mahomes is back.
11:22They have the interior offensive line. They have cornerbacks.
11:25Again, punching the ball out. Like, I know that the ball ended up not counting, but the Chiefs are making plays on defense again.
11:32You know what I mean? Like, they feel like they have all the little things they need to actually win the Super Bowl.
11:39I agree. They have the juice. They just need to stay healthy.
11:42I mean, they still feel thin. It's like if Kenneth Walker pulls his hamstring, I'm like, uh-oh.
11:48Like, you know, it's like Xavier Worthy. Every time he gets hit, it seems like he...
11:52I thought he hurt his shoulder on that deep incompletion.
11:55And then I think... I guess he didn't. And he came back in the game.
12:00And you have a sheet of rice. And it's like, they do still feel like everyone needs to be on the field.
12:07They're not like the Niners, where, like, for some reason, they could just make it work with, like, college kids out there.
12:13But, yeah. I agree. They look great. Okay. Anything else in Sunday Night Football?
12:18I just think the Ken Walker thing can't be understated.
12:21Heifetz, you brought it up. It's like, it changes the way defensives have to play them.
12:26It just changes sort of, like, the gravity of how you...
12:29How you can play Patrick Mahomes and, like, too high stuff.
12:32You have to respect the run more. Like, it's just...
12:35It is really consequential. He has over 170 scrimmage yards in both games to start the season.
12:40Which he never had 170 in any game with the Seahawks.
12:44And so, I just think he looks... He is a game changer for them.
12:48Craig, to your point, though. If he gets hurt, it could really hurt them.
12:52Although, I do really like this Emmitt Johnson guy.
12:55He looks really good. I think it's a good...
12:58I think the Kenneth Walker thing is a good example of, like, the conditional nature of paying star running backs.
13:04And how, when it's the last piece of the puzzle, it can change the entire team.
13:09But when it's the first, it can be the worst pick you make.
13:13Or the worst contract you give out. Like, giving Kenneth Walker to a team like the Chiefs with Mahomes, where everything is set.
13:20And you need that one more piece of explosiveness.
13:22Great. Throwing Jeremiah Love on a Cardinals team is, like...
13:25Not exactly going to make a huge difference. Right.
13:28Josh Dubow at The Athletic had the stat. Ken Walker is the first Chiefs player with back-to-back games of 175 scrimmage yards since Larry Johnson in 2005.
13:36Which was a legendary season. Dude, Mahomes looks like Mahomes.
13:39Yeah. He had 382 yards and three touchdowns tonight.
13:42The other person I want to shout out is Khalil Benson.
13:45The undrafted free agent rookie left tackle that I was kind of prepared to pin the entire Chiefs season on if it went wrong.
13:53It's like, why are they leaving it up to this guy?
13:56And he's been fine. And I kind of just think, honestly, all these NFL teams whiffed on Indiana, weirdly.
14:02Even though Mendoza obviously was the first pick. Because the combo of Kaelin Black not being invited to the NFL combine.
14:08And then the starting left tackle for Mendoza on a 15-0 championship team doesn't get drafted.
14:13And I'm like, clearly they didn't have years of scouting on all these FCS guys that ended up going from FCS to undefeated in like two years.
14:21And so I don't know why. But for whatever reason, the Chiefs just have like another tackle that's serviceable that they didn't
14:28even have to take in the draft. But anyway, let's get to the rest of the games.
14:33A lot of rain. A lot of injuries. Kind of a slog.
14:37Brutal week of injuries. Yeah. Craig, winners, losers. I don't know if you want to start positive.
14:42Who's your first winner of the day? Or loser?
14:45Honestly, it was kind of a slog of a day.
14:48Maybe we go loser. It was a slog of a day.
14:51Week one was a lot of points, a lot of fireworks.
14:54Week two was a lot of injuries, a lot of slop, a lot of wet mess.
14:59And there was no weather in this game. And yet it felt like there should have been my biggest loser of the day.
15:06And a team I want to spend 10 minutes screaming at is the Los Angeles Chargers, who lost 26 to 14 to the Raiders.
15:13They're 0-2. Jim Harbaugh has never gone 0-2 in college or pro.
15:17Oh, really? They might go 0-9 when you look at their schedule.
15:21I thought this team was horribly coached. That's where I want to start.
15:25This team is horribly coached. They are getting penalties left and right.
15:28Max Crosby abused Joe Ault. They had no answer for that.
15:32They have the second most offensive penalties in the league.
15:35They still don't look right offensively. Everything's a mess.
15:37Herbert had worse stats versus the Raiders than Malik Willis did last week.
15:41And Heifetz, you mentioned this yesterday or last week.
15:44You were kind of like, I'm kind of leaning away from Justin Herbert here.
15:48Dude, I think I have to too. He has a little bit of Baker in him where he tries to do too much.
15:55And he holds onto the ball too long. And he's always trying to make the best play.
16:01And I feel like he actually kind of is bad in the pocket and has bad pocket presence.
16:06His arm is amazing. He can make any throw.
16:09But I think the way he moves in the pocket sometimes is stupid.
16:13And it's lack of awareness. I really feel that way.
16:16And I don't know if that's just because him trying to make a play.
16:20He's so big and strong. He thinks he can just like fend people off and stiff arm them, which he tried to do today and then fumbled.
16:28But this team is an absolute embarrassment. Do you agree with that, DK, that Herbert has bad pocket presence?
16:34I think so. I think. I don't know about.
16:37Yeah. I will say I think he's a little mechanical and labored in the way that he goes through things in the pocket.
16:44It just feels sometimes slow. And he's just like a beat behind in terms of where he needs to be.
16:50Of course, you kind of forget that stuff when he can make these rocket throws six yards down the field or whatever.
16:56But yeah, I tend to agree. Sometimes it just looks like he's a beat slow on stuff.
17:02And that's a huge deal, obviously. It's also a huge deal.
17:05And I agree with everything you said. But there are other things that are compounding with the Chargers.
17:10It's not just Herbert. Herbert's been bad. But like you mentioned Alt, he had like four holding penalties or something in this
17:17game, including one in the end zone, which went for a safety.
17:21If your all pro tackle is like fucking up, like that's not a good sign.
17:25Omar in Hampton. I don't I still don't know if he's good.
17:29Like on half of his runs, I'm like, this guy is a frickin runaway beer truck.
17:34He looks awesome when he's running downhill. He's running through guys, breaking tackles.
17:38He is really hard to take down. And then other times I'm like, I don't know if he's good.
17:43It's kind of the Derrick Henry thing. Derrick Henry has proven it over the years that he's amazing.
17:49But there's times where I'm like, he can't even break a tackle.
17:53He can't he can't get past this guy. And then Hampton fumbled in this game.
17:57Everyone fumbled. They had six. They're just fucking sloppy.
18:00Like, it's to your point. The the coaching is not there because they're so sloppy and it's it feels like they're, you know, it's all snowballing on them.
18:08And everybody's trying too hard. Everybody's pressing and they just suck.
18:12So this game. So the charges. So again, the charges lost 26 to 14 to the Raiders.
18:17Yeah. Or Austin Gale is probably freaking out. I know.
18:20So but it's the second consecutive week. The charges lost 26 to 14.
18:24And it's to the Raiders and the Cardinals who both won three games last year and combined or tied for the worst record in the NFL.
18:32Those were their first two opponents. Now they have the hardest stretch that any team has in the entire NFL for the next nine weeks.
18:39Do you think real quick? Do you think the schedule makers were like, fuck, we got to give we got to give
18:46this team all these bad like really, really tough games.
18:49The we'll just do it to the Chargers because everyone expects them to fall apart.
18:54Throw me a freaking bone. Do you want me to read off their next couple of their next schedule?
18:59It is worth reading. Every time you look at it, it is pretty incredible.
19:04OK, next two weeks at Buffalo at Seattle. They come back home against Denver and then they have to go to Kansas City and play the Chiefs.
19:12Then they play. They have their buy and then they play at the Rams.
19:16Well, I guess it's the same place. But and then they have Houston in Baltimore.
19:21Would you say it's like a 50 50 shot?
19:23They're 0 and 9. No, not 0 and 9.
19:26But like if they win one, if they win two games, I'll be pretty surprised.
19:31Two and seven. I will. I'll say this. I don't quite agree with you guys about the Herbert thing.
19:36I think that that's dramatic. I mean, Quentin Johnson dropped a bat.
19:40I mean, what else is new? He dropped one pass.
19:43Herbert looked. Herbert played like shit today. Like that's fair enough.
19:46But I'm saying but he also threw a pick.
19:49He dropped the ball in David Njoku's lap that he did a Mark Andrews volleyball set at the ball in the past into someone else's arms.
19:57That wasn't Mark Andrews' thing. The game should have been worse.
20:00Six fumbles. They recovered all but one. I was going to say, Herbert also had a fumble.
20:06The Chargers got a gift from God where it was third and long.
20:10Herbert fumbles the ball forward. It probably should have been an incomplete pass.
20:14I don't know why Kubiak didn't challenge that. It was going to.
20:17It should have forced a fourth and long. Instead, it was a fourth and one.
20:22Then Vegas has 12 men on the field so they get a first down.
20:26Out of a timeout, which was quietly the worst coaching they had all day.
20:30And then O'Mary and Hampton fumbles. And I'm like, this team can't get out of its own way.
20:36But the truth is Kirk Cousins outplayed Justin Herbert today.
20:39Like that and Clint Kubiak outcoached the Chargers. And I did have an intrusive thought watching this Chargers team.
20:44Well, never mind. This is not intrusive. This is just the thought of like, obviously, the Mike McDaniel thing, we're going to
20:51have to at some point just be like, all right, were we just all conning ourselves?
20:56Did he con us? Did we con ourselves? What's going on?
20:59But I did have an intrusive thought, which was, you know how last year, now that you see what happened with Mike
21:06McDonald winning the Super Bowl and the Ravens moving on from John Harbaugh, clearly the Ravens should have fired John Harbaugh and
21:13hired Mike McDonald a couple of years ago, right?
21:15Sure. Yeah. What? Well, my intrusive thought is maybe the Chargers should have hired Jesse Minter.
21:20Oh, I see. Oh, yeah. He's saying like, wait, Jesse Minter's.
21:24He's like young, incoming defensive coordinators. They should have hired their head coaches and hired them.
21:29Yes. Maybe both Harbaugh guys were kind of coasting on the credentials of like Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter and these younger
21:35defensive coordinators have kind of been propping up the system when they had Lamar Jackson and Herbert and maybe the Harbaugh's had
21:42kind of been sitting atop this thing that they weren't really, you know, like you see what like the Chargers The Ravens
21:49lost today, by the way, just for the record.
21:51Yeah. Well, yeah, sure. In horrific fashion, but yeah.
21:54I know. Well, I said it was an intrusive thought.
21:57I don't know if it's a good take. No, that's fair.
22:00I just kept thinking about it. This is like, this is less than an intrusive thought.
22:05This is kind of maybe just, you know, too obvious and a little cliche or whatever.
22:10But the idea that Madison Beer is at fault here is very funny to kind of explore.
22:15Herbert was great when he was a virgin. No, I'm like, dude, I remember in high school, my basketball coach, he said
22:22something along the lines of like, I don't want you going home and getting comforted by your girlfriends.
22:27Like you guys got to like feel this loss and like internalize it and have it really feel like you got to
22:34like really, you know, like get to know this, this hurt and this anger or something like that.
22:40He's like, I don't want you going home. And it's like how fighters can't, can't, don't ejaculate before a fight.
22:46Exactly. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm just thinking like, I know this is like probably not really the case, but like Herbert has been really bad.
22:54Well, here's the thing DK, he doesn't have to go home to be comforted because she was right there on the practice field twirling his hair.
23:01You know what I mean? He's right there. Herbert to me is like, he's like one of those souped up stereo systems
23:08that never works where it's like from like 2008 and it's like, no, no, I got all the bells and whistles.
23:15It's like, look, it's surround sound. It's going to sound incredible.
23:18And then every time you try to set it up, it's like, why isn't it working?
23:23I don't understand. The little remote, like it doesn't work.
23:26It like rattles so much. You invite your friends over, it's not working.
23:30And they're like, can't we just use the normal speaker?
23:33And you're like, no, no, no. Trust me. It's like incredible.
23:36It's like the craziest thing you've ever heard. Trust me.
23:39PC load letter. What the fuck is that? Soundbar.
23:42It's an under options. That's what he's like, where it's like technically when you're at the, when you're at Best Buy, unbelievable
23:49when you see the system, when you take it home, not for me.
23:52That is good. I also, you got me thinking now about the fighters and then not, I guess.
23:58It's not even, it's not even the, just the, the ejaculation or not.
24:02It's just, you're not like focused on the loss.
24:05You're, you're going home and you're like, yeah, it'll be fine.
24:08I get to go home to a Madison pier.
24:11Right. You should be going to the gym. Did you guys see on the broadcast?
24:15They talked about how O'Marrion Hampton puts ranch dressing on his spaghetti.
24:19That is also a red flag. Cause every now and then you remember these guys are literally 21 years old.
24:25I like it. I think that's cool. I want that out of my running back.
24:30He's like, he's like buddy, the elf. I'm like, whatever.
24:33If he likes it sounds maybe a little bit, it's kind of good to be honest.
24:37A little sprinkle of that in my bite of spaghetti.
24:40It's probably decent. No, I, I like that. You're pretending that you'd entertain this, but if we went to, I would try it.
24:47I would try it. No, you wouldn't. I a hundred percent would try it.
24:52Ranch dressing on a bite of spaghetti sounds totally fine to me.
24:55How is it that different from ranch dressing on a slice of pizza?
24:59It's like, it's like gluten and tomato sauce. I can't figure out your eating habits.
25:04Cause you hate when there's an IHOP commercial for French toast.
25:07You're disgusted. Pasta's not bready. Think about this. Pasta is basically bread, sauce, and cheese.
25:12What is pizza? Bread, sauce, and cheese. Ranch is fine on pizza.
25:15It's not that crazy. The texture's all different. Yeah, sure.
25:18Texturally. I don't think it's that crazy. I'm just going to say that.
25:22It sounds trashier than perhaps it is. Okay. I can't figure you out.
25:26That's good. I was going to keep you guessing.
25:29I know. Like, I never would have been a million years guess Craig would defend that.
25:34Well, I'm not saying I would eat that every day.
25:37I'm just like, eh, try a bite of it.
25:40That's something I would defend, Craig. You should be ashamed of yourself.
25:43Don't judge me. I do overall think, though, the Chargers, we should be incredibly concerned with this team.
25:49They stink. Yeah. They're awful. I'm glad I jumped off after week one.
25:53Thank God. I'm very close to jumping off. Now's the time to buy back in, Craig.
25:58No one will see it coming. Well, I was going to say, do anyone here believe that they're a buy low?
26:04I mean, I know the answer is probably yes because it can't be any worse, but.
26:09No. No. No. I don't. I don't. It can be worse.
26:12Now they start playing good teams. Yeah. They literally, these two teams that just beat them 26 to 14 each were literally
26:19tied for the worst record in the NFL. And credit to the Raiders.
26:23Kubiak coached a good game. Kirk Cousins, I can hear Austin screaming.
26:26Like, they played well. But the Chargers played worse.
26:29I also have to shout out, this is from OptaStats.
26:32The Chargers are the second team in NFL history to lose back-to-back games by double digits, both coming at home against teams
26:39that had a winning percentage under 20% last year.
26:42The only other team to do that was the 1926 Racine Tornadoes, who played one more game before folding.
26:47Before folding. They should fold the Chargers. They folded.
26:50The Racine Tornadoes folded. Their life. They're like, you know what?
26:53We should just give up. Yeah. If the Chargers lose next week, 26-14, the Chargers should fold.
26:59We lost to the guy who can't think. The guy who can't think said something.
27:03That's where the Chargers are right now. We lost to the guy who can't think.
27:08Dude, I went on the- West Man Tooth. I went on the Wikipedia for the Racine Tornadoes, and it said that they
27:14were founded in 1916, but they had to take a break because of World War I, and then the Spanish flu.
27:21Right. Right. That's the fucking team. The only other team that did this.
27:25The Chargers are like the Spanish flu. All right.
27:27Let's go positive now. Yeah, DK. You got a winner.
27:31I'll give my winner of the week to the Bengals.
27:34I think the Bengals look like a whole different team this year, especially on defense, where they are dramatically improved at least through two weeks.
27:41Dexter Lawrence looking like maybe one of the most impactful offseason acquisitions any team had, as you remember, and Heifetz to his everlasting chagrin.
27:48They traded the 10th overall pick, I believe, for Dexter Lawrence.
27:52And through two weeks, the Bengals, they're fifth in pressures, tied for first and sacks, sixth in QB hits, and there's a stat havoc rate.
27:59I don't know if Nate Tice made this up or if he's just passing it along, but I've heard him talking about it.
28:06It's basically the percentage of plays with a tackle for a loss, forced fumble, pass breakup, interception, or sacks.
28:12So basically plays that create havoc on defense. They're ninth.
28:15Last year, they were 30th. And in all those other stats, they're like 23rd or worse last year.
28:21And so weird. I wonder what changed. Yeah, this defense, man.
28:24And they also got Boya Mafe, who's continuing to make plays.
28:27I don't know. This defense looks a lot better to me.
28:31And they started fast. They're 2-0 this year. Joe Burrow has never started 2-0.
28:35Yeah, they've always been famously really slow started. Well, they kind of did last year, but at what cost?
28:41What do you mean? Anyways, but... I think they did last year, but the Joe Burrow got hurt.
28:46I don't believe they were. No. They weren't 2-0.
28:49All their seasons blowing together to me. What's that?
28:52Oh, you're right. They were. They were in 2025.
28:54My bad. Jamar Chase made... This one's cooler, though, because he's still healthy.
28:58Jamar Chase made maybe the catch of the year.
29:01Right, because Burrow got hurt in the second game that they won.
29:05Last year, anyway. It doesn't matter. Because Jake Browning came in and finished that game and won that game.
29:10Right. Technically, has Joe Burrow ever started 2-0? I don't know.
29:14He hasn't finished 2-0. Well, you're not supposed to finish.
29:17We learned that. That's the entire problem. That's why Justin Herbert can't be 2-0.
29:21That's right. The Giants traded him. He had the crazy play on 4th and 1 where he just shot into the backfield, made a big tackle.
29:29Yeah. I don't know. I've just been really impressed with them.
29:32By the way, they beat Houston 20-6. What's going on with Houston?
29:36Are you guys starting to worry a little bit about Houston?
29:390-2? Yeah. Yeah, they're bad. Okay. They had... David Montgomery and Woody Marks had 18 rushing yards today combined.
29:45Montgomery is a real puzzler because he had three touchdowns last week and won everybody who had him probably their week one
29:52and was the worst player on their roster this week.
29:55And it's unfortunately, I think, closer to today is going to be the real David Montgomery.
30:00And once again, it looks like the third and long Texans are back.
30:04Also, no Nico Collins kills them. They're just in a tough spot.
30:07And the Texans and Chargers, not that they're that similar, but like I do...
30:11They're teams that the offensive line, in the lieu of like fixing it, jumbled a lot of the interior pieces hoping it would work.
30:19And it kind of didn't. The Chargers at least lost the center.
30:22But look at the Texans. And they kind of moved stuff around.
30:26They're like, this will be better. And then obviously Nico Collins is out.
30:30Jaden Higgins tours ACL. Tank Dell's on injury reserve.
30:33And so they got Xavier Hutchinson, who's like means well, but kind of can't catch.
30:37They have NPCs out there. He means well. He means well.
30:41He means well. He means well. But like... That's the meanest thing you can say about an NFL wide receiver.
30:47He means well. No, the meanest thing I'd say...
30:49Xavier Worthy means well. He's really out there trying, you know?
30:53My meanest insult is for people like Mitchell Trubisky.
30:56When I say bless his heart, that's always like...
30:58Oh yeah, that's tough. That's the meanest thing I have to say.
31:02But like you look at the Texans and what would you try to do?
31:06Run the ball. You know what they did? CJ Stroud threw 55 times.
31:10And that's not a good thing. And so it was just that they can't move...
31:15They cannot get out of their own way. And they're always in third and long.
31:19And it's somehow worse than it was before. And yeah, they were...
31:23And just they're physically being dominated. And also the Texans offensive line...
31:26Sorry, the Texans defensive line didn't really beat the Bengals offensive line as much as you would think.
31:32Marius Milms held up well at tackle. I mean, the Texans defense is not special.
31:37I mean, it's hard when Jamar Chase is beating Derek Stingley, never mind Reed Blankenship.
31:41But overall, I mean, the Texans scored six goddamn points.
31:44It's going to be tough for anybody to beat that Jamar Chase catch this year.
31:49That was one of the better catches I've ever seen.
31:52I don't know how he got his feet in.
31:54Yeah. He's exactly what was promised. We were joking the other day, people that like match the hype.
32:00You know, he's not like LeBron James matched the hype.
32:03But Jamar Chase is the... He's kind of like what we thought Marvin Harrison Jr.
32:07would be. As disappointing as Marvin Harrison Jr. would be.
32:11Jamar Chase was like, he's the best receiver prospect in 10 years.
32:14It's exactly what he's been. He's been that way since the moment he walked in the NFL.
32:19Dude, that play was like pure reaction. He turned around so late and tracked it and caught it and spun.
32:25There was no anticipation to that. He just reacted and did it.
32:29It was unbelievable. You know those old fantasy football commercials where Chris Cooley would punch through a wall and plywood and catch it?
32:36And then they had Lawrence Brony jumping through a car.
32:39Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Mason Crosby kicked the bell and kicked the football to the bell of a school tower, a bell tower or something.
32:47Like it kind of looked like that where he just turned around and just like instantly, like just finding it alone was amazing.
32:54Yeah. God, he's sick. Okay. We just need to stay healthy.
32:572-0 Bengals. Again, Dexter Lawrence. DK, I think you nailed it.
33:00Being able to stop David Montgomery in fourth and one, that completely changed the entire game.
33:05And if they can do that in the playoffs, like, yeah.
33:09Like, I can see Dexter Lawrence stopping Derek Henry in fourth and one of the playoffs.
33:13My loser for today has to be the Chicago Bears and Washington Commanders for their cool quarterbacks.
33:19Yeah, it's tough. And everyone who has these guys.
33:21I mean, so obviously the Bears lost to the Vikings nine to three.
33:25This was a total slog. This was just an unbelievable slog.
33:29And then we can get into the game, but Caleb Williams was carted off with a hamstring injury.
33:34I thought it was at ACL. Like, I was on the cart.
33:38His reaction was quite dramatic. I mean, he was, he was Mike.
33:41You could hear him on mic screaming and what seemed like extreme pain.
33:45And I was like, oh man, this is like Achilles or some knee ligament.
33:50This is a best case scenario. It seems like it's a grade one hamstring strain.
33:54Well, there's the part that shocked me was Courtney Crone at ESPN wrote that Caleb was walking through the locker room under
34:01his own power while media members were there. It did not have a wrap around his leg, which that shocked me.
34:07And yeah, Mike Florio went on NBC and said it might be a grade one, which I'm like, that's what I did
34:14at my bachelor party at grade one. And I'm like, like my friend Mike's bachelor party.
34:19I'm like, I grade one. I mean, my scream was nowhere near as loud as that.
34:24So it feels like he's going to miss maybe a couple of games.
34:27Obviously the fear immediately was like, oh, he's done for the season.
34:31Maybe this is like career altering type deal. But now, and now I'm like, oh, okay.
34:36So he's, he's going to be okay. He'll be back in a couple of weeks.
34:41Tyson Bajan, I think is a back. He's a pretty good backup.
34:44They love him. Whether or not he's good. The bears love Tyson Bajan.
34:48Yeah. And so this is gonna be fun to see how Ben Johnson can kind of flex his muscle with Tyson Bajan for a week or two.
34:56By the way, I, I know that it was like rainy and it was the Vikings and they were blitzing like crazy
35:03again and things were all over the place, but this was not a very impressive game for Ben Johnson.
35:09I didn't think. So to state the obvious, the bears scored 59 points last week and scored three points today.
35:15And then so lack a bunch of people, this ESPN stat that the 56 points drop off week to week is the
35:22biggest point differential drop off since 1973 for an offense.
35:25And then if you want more, you know, advanced stat Ben Johnson's called 70 plays or games as a play caller between the lines of bears.
35:32And, uh, this one ranked 69th out of 70 success rate.
35:36There was like zero Caleb. I couldn't do anything in the pocket.
35:39Every single play he was rolling out and trying to make something happen.
35:43There was very little stuff that was happening in structure for the bears.
35:47Yeah. And it was raining. Craig's greatest football observation is probably that, uh, you can't see the rain during the games.
35:54Yeah. So it's never accurately accounted for, but I think the game came down to this.
35:59The bears have 14 plays in the red zone and they had three points and the Vikings, I believe had one play
36:05in the red zone and they got nine points.
36:08And so the, to me, the game kind of came down to four plays like, or three really Deandre Swift fumbles at the one yard line.
36:16And then the cost of the bears a touchdown.
36:19It was first and goal at the one and Deandre Swift loses a fumble.
36:23This poor Sam Rausch guy, this tight end on the bears.
36:26Brookie drops. Yeah. Drops. I don't, I hesitate to call it a drop.
36:30Cause it got hit by two Vikings. It was more like you could have caught it ball right at the one.
36:37That probably was a touchdown. That's 14. And then probably his fault that the right after Caleb got hurt, which that might've
36:43been a touchdown, the Vikings blocked a field goal.
36:46It's like 23 yards. You almost never see a 23 yard field goal blocked because you can kick it so high.
36:52And so Sam Rausch was probably his fault that the field goal got blocked.
36:57So that, so like that's 21 points or at least 17 and on just those three plays.
37:02So it was a small margin game, but Carson Wentz didn't turn it over other than the one interception he threw that
37:08the bears dropped right in their face. But I have to lead the division and a very weird division that suddenly looks
37:15a lot more toothless than I thought it was going to.
37:18Yeah. Yeah. The Colston Loveland one catch three yards.
37:21Totally. We'll get to that. On the year. We'll get there.
37:25Yeah. Yeah. But the, and then obviously Washington, Jaden Daniels.
37:28So what Cowboys beat Washington 37 20 and Jaden Daniels guys.
37:31I think Jaden Daniels is officially RG five. Right.
37:34This isn't, this is so brutal. He dislocated his left elbow again.
37:37And I don't know why he keeps trying to brace himself like that.
37:41I guess it's just kind of like falling to the ground.
37:45I know, but it's like, it was like the other arm had the football in it.
37:49What do you want him to do? His face on the ground.
37:53I don't want him to dislocate his fucking elbow for the second time.
37:57That's all. He got stepped on. What's he supposed to do?
38:00Fall on the elbow. It just looked like this.
38:03It looked like the same type of thing that happened last time.
38:07Is he going to have to play with like a JJ Watt bionic elbow thing for the rest of the Right.
38:13Yeah. So he dislocated the elbow last year against Seattle in early November, missed a few games.
38:18And they're like, everyone's like, just put him out.
38:21The season's over. Just don't bring him back. They're like, he won't hurt the elbow again.
38:26He won't hurt it. Don't worry. Came back last year, immediately hurt his elbow again.
38:30So they're like, fine. So then he comes back and now it's two weeks into the season and he hurt the elbow again.
38:37And it was kind of innocuous because the center just tripped him.
38:41Basically, he didn't get hit. The center tripped him.
38:44And he like, it was, it was non, it was not non contact, but it wasn't like the way you think it would happen again.
38:51And so we'll see what happens. I don't know if he's going to need surgery or not.
38:57We'll see about all that. But like, this is kind of officially a problem.
39:01Like, this is the third time this has happened to him in his last, like four games, basically.
39:06Well, and you're now like, okay, you're starting to look at this Washington season as like perhaps another lost season.
39:12So you're now going to be heading into year four of Jaden Daniels next year, hoping that finally we can get things back on track.
39:20And now he has this, you know, recurring elbow injury that feels like the more you injury, the easier it is to injure it again.
39:28And it sucks because he was playing pretty well.
39:30I thought in the game, that's what's tough is they almost beat the Eagles last week and they were in that Dallas game until he got hurt.
39:38Yeah. He's, I believe Jaden Daniels has played at Dallas three times and hasn't finished any of the games.
39:44Oh, really? Yeah. So I, I, it's concerning. And then I just, Washington, I fan, even before this happened, I think Washington
39:51fans were really depressed about this season. Now it's over.
39:54It's a, it is just extremely over. I mean, Kate in garbage time, the third string running back fat man, Alan basically trucked their best offensive lineman.
40:02And that was like a brutal, that was a brutal hit the way that whole thing went down.
40:08Cause Cosby had like turned around and basically it was facing Alan.
40:11They just ran into each other. And then, uh, Cosby kind of, he just went down like, and took off his helmet and then just like fell over.
40:20It was really like crazy looking. Yeah. I, I just, I think these two teams are losers.
40:25It's not as bad as I thought. Cause I did.
40:28I'm shocked that Caleb Williams is like, yeah, we'll see exactly what the diagnosis is, but the fact that he could be
40:35back in two or three weeks to the Packers would kind of blow my mind.
40:39But either way, I feel like these teams have to be the losers, but DK, do you have another winner?
40:45Um, let me see. I think Craig does. Oh yeah, I do.
40:49Um, I want to talk about the saints. The saints are a winner for me.
40:53They beat the Ravens today, 24 17. And I imagine a lot of the dialogue around this game will be about the Ravens collapse and perhaps rightly so.
41:02But I do want to just shout out the saints, the comeback kid saints who last week were down 21 to zero
41:09in the third quarter, ended up tying the game, taking it to overtime and had a two or two point completion way
41:15of winning that game on the road. And then this week down 17 to nine with six minutes left in the fourth
41:22quarter on the road, come back and win today.
41:25Tyler Shuck in the fourth quarter, 12 for 14, 119 yards, two touchdowns, get the win through two weeks.
41:31Tyler Shuck is the number five quarterback in fantasy and he leads the NFL in passing yards.
41:36Is that right? Damn. The media won't tell you that after the, I haven't checked since my homes, but he's either first or second.
41:43They're, they're playing great. And what we talked about in the off season is like, could the same, he's first Colts.
41:49Yeah. Um, it's happening a little bit. Chris Alave has been absolutely like fantastic this year.
41:54Devon Bailey has been really good. Juwan Johnson are struggling to run the ball a little bit, but this is like a
42:01really condensed machine that seems to be like hitting the ground running in year two with Shuck.
42:06He looks good. Yeah. There's like a, there's almost like a little element of what we saw from the bears last year,
42:13where it was like every game, you just never know what's going to happen in the fourth quarter.
42:18They have these heroics that they can pull out.
42:21Um, Tyler Shuck, he is just way better than I thought he would be coming into the league.
42:26I think, you know, I kind of pictured him as a Derek Carr type quarterback, which is funny that he was drafted
42:33by the saints where he's too cautious, constantly falling away from throws, constantly throwing the ball away.
42:38I think I remember he had like led the, he liked college football and throwaways his final year.
42:44He's an older prospect. There was just a lot of reasons that I was like, I just don't really want to bet
42:50on this guy, but he has really surprised me.
42:53He's, he's looked really good. He, and, um, they're obviously rallying around him and he's, this is always a good thing.
42:59I feel like a really good sign for a quarterback is like you feed your top player and you just relentlessly throw it to him.
43:07And, and Chris Olave, uh, it has been absolutely bananas good this year.
43:11And so, um, yeah, I, I've been really impressed with Shuck.
43:14Obviously that first half against the lions, he looked horrible.
43:17Um, but ever since then, I thought that he's been really impressive.
43:21Right. And Chris Olave, I think is playing better with Shuck, but he's also just, he's playing better with the guardian cap.
43:28And Chris Olave said that the guardian cap makes him less anxious and says that he actually just feels better and more
43:34secure playing with the guardian cap and it like doesn't weigh on him.
43:38And I feel like that, I mean, you don't hear players admit that very often, but I mean, you can kind of see it in his game.
43:47Like he is like a more assertive player. Like he's, he's been, frankly, he's been pretty dominant this season.
43:52And even since that, like the end of last year was Shuck, but this year he's just been exceptional.
43:58He's probably the least famous, great wide receiver in the league.
44:01It's like him. Yeah. Collins. There's a couple of guys.
44:04Chris Olave is very, very good. And when you watch him, he does jump off the screen, but very little notoriety nationally.
44:11The, I want to ask you guys about the Tyler Shuck quarterback sneak play touchdown where basically it ended up basically being the deciding play of the game.
44:20First of all, do you guys think he got it?
44:23It was weird because people were not sure if Tyler Shuck got in, but he was 1000% face masked and probably didn't
44:29get in because he was grabbed by the top of his face back and just pulled backwards.
44:35Like they were trying to break his head off.
44:37Like, like they were trying to decapitate. I love that.
44:40That's not reviewable. Why is that not reviewable? Well, that's the thing is I think a lot of Ravens fans are really
44:47mad and they're like, well, Shuck, there's no evidence Shuck got in the end zone.
44:52I'm like, one, I don't think you should overturn the call because like, oh, there's a little smidgen, but I'm like, you know, can I tell you something?
45:00They got the call right. I don't care if he didn't get it.
45:04Like this is a rare situation. Now you're just making up new rules.
45:08No, but I'm like, if they're like, ah, it's close.
45:11I'm like, you know what's not close? He got face masked.
45:14If there's, if it's like within a freaking millimeter and you're trying to like Zapruder film gets a quarterback sneak through a thousand bodies and everything.
45:22It's like, you leave the call as is. I agree.
45:25Even if you think there's a chance he didn't get in, he was face masked.
45:30That's why he didn't get in. Use some fucking common sense.
45:33I don't think he got in in either one.
45:36So I think it's the truth is if you're sitting there, come on, just cause face mask, not reviewable, use your common
45:43sense and be like, give him the guy. I think the touchdown was called.
45:47Don't overturn it. Yeah. Who cares? I love the Molly Shannon.
45:50Who cares? Who cares? Who cares? I think. Whatever.
45:53If you want to, if you know, if you want to defend it, it's that there's no, there was not really definitive proof.
46:00He didn't get in, even though I don't think he got it, but that's fine.
46:04There's like some joke there that I can't think of.
46:07Can I, something was there. Is it in like a McLovin joke or something?
46:12I do want to mention about the Ravens. This is the Ravens 15th loss after holding a double digit lead since Lamar
46:18Jackson became a full-time starter, which is the most in the NFL.
46:22Chargers East. Also 11 of those are home. Derek Henry had five carries in the second half and they were leading 14, three at half.
46:30That is that. I don't understand that. That's like a, that blows my mind.
46:34Roger Rose to garden, who is the right tackle for the Ravens said, I can't remember the last time we won at home.
46:41I'm like, that's a bad thing to say. The Ravens are so weird because Lamar had one truly terrible pass, the pick that basically ended the game.
46:49Even that one. I'm like, Bateman was stopped running.
46:52What was he doing? But I'm like, the Ravens are weird because whenever they have these losses, like, I don't know why they happened.
46:59I'm like, they played well. Lamar played well. Everything looked good.
47:02They were moving the ball in chunks and then they just lost.
47:06And I don't know why. I totally agree. I, the, the, the Derrick Henry five carries at halftime, the five carries after halftime thing.
47:13I'm like, isn't that why you have him? Like, that's the whole point.
47:17And it's weird because I guess that there probably were, I think the saints were kind of daring them to throw.
47:24Cause they just ran out of receivers because Tez Walker's out.
47:27Zay flowers missed this game. Jacoby lane missed this game.
47:30So the Ravens just kind of ran out of receivers and you know what happened?
47:35They tried to take shots and basically the saints dared them.
47:38And you know what? The saints were right. Cause Lamar missed Chris Moore for a wide open touchdown on third and one.
47:45And then he'd go for it fourth and one.
47:47And I get that to Declan Doyle thing, which is a Ben Johnson thing, which is instead of like second to one being the shot play, fuck it.
47:56If you're going to go for a fourth down, treat third and one, like the shot play, but then they didn't go
48:03for it on fourth down and they just missed the, I don't know.
48:07It, it, it, it, the, I just, it's deja vu for this team.
48:10Like it literally is just, there's been 12 of these losses.
48:14There was a, there was a lot of, uh, wow.
48:17Week one feels like a really long time ago moments, uh, today.
48:20And the Ravens was one of them. I was like, damn, the Ravens look so dominant in week one.
48:26I thought they're going to be fucking amazing all year.
48:29And then they just like, how, how much are you afraid that the Ravens and Lamar looking absolutely dominant was because the
48:36Colts experimented with giving a safety, the green dot play call, which they immediately revoked the next game.
48:41Yeah. Feels super relevant. Sure. It's a good point.
48:44Just, uh, something to, something to keep an eye on.
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50:36No, Craig, it's not a problem. It's a problem.
50:39It's a problem. Guys, JSN is a problem. He is an absolute problem out there.
50:44With Drew Locke at quarterback for all but one series of the Seahawks season, JSN has already racked up 277 yards and four touchdowns.
50:51He had nine catches, 155 yards, and three touchdowns today against the Cardinals.
50:55This motherfucker's doing it with Drew Locke. It don't matter.
50:58He's insanely good. I, if, if Jamar Chase didn't exist, I would feel very strongly that no one is better at receiver
51:04right now than Jackson Smith and Jigba. He is so good at everything.
51:08I love the, uh, on like his first touchdown, he just got loose down the field and you're like, oh, coverage bust or something.
51:16But then you see the replay and it's a really subtle, like head fake.
51:20Like he was like, he pretended he was going to run like an out route near the sticks.
51:25And then he just juked the hell out of the corner, got downfield.
51:29And it's like, I don't know. And I feel like you see two or three of these every game where he has
51:36these really subtle route running moves that just can get corners completely turned around.
51:40He moves differently than everybody. He's just so like, his feet are just so in contact with the ground.
51:46He's always balanced and he can, and he can, you know, turn and, and defeat coverage so easily.
51:52His shoulders are always parallel. Yeah. That's the other thing he's obsessed with that.
51:56That's the other thing he's talked about is like, yeah, you never give away anything with your shoulders or whatever.
52:02And so he, he's just really, really crafty at receiver and he catches everything.
52:06Um, and he has like a 50% target rate this year through like two games.
52:11So, um, man, again, like I, I recognize, I think Jamar Chase is probably still holding the belt for best receiver in
52:17the NFL, but I think Jason is fucking close.
52:20One of my biggest regrets is thinking that he would regress with, without.
52:24Yeah. Kubiak. I, JSN was like my favorite player in the league last year.
52:28I had him on my team and I was like completely in love with him and I didn't draft him this year and I feel like a moron.
52:37Well, this is why fantasy football is funny. If sometimes if you got half the information, you'd be more wrong, not more right.
52:44If I told you Sam Darnold would have a hip injury immediately, like the 10th snap, the fifth snap.
52:50He'll miss a month. The first series. Drew Locke's going to play.
52:53You'd, you'd be like, oh, okay. I'm going to move JSN out of the first round.
52:58For sure. You wouldn't move him up. You know what I mean?
53:02It's just, it's so funny how it goes. I, I also, sometimes I feel bad where I'm like, man, I wish we could predict how this goes.
53:10And then you're like, oh yeah, wait, the real NFL Jackson Smith, the jig, but was the 20th pick in the draft.
53:17Like Washington took a manual Forbes, a cornerback who weighs 160 pounds over Jackson Smith and Jigba.
53:22It's just in retrospect. I just don't understand. Do you, if it's, you were there with me when the Seahawks drafted a jig, but I was like dancing.
53:30I was like, oh my God, we're like three picks away.
53:34We might get JSN. And I couldn't believe it.
53:36I could not believe that they let him fall to the Seahawks.
53:40Shane Waldron would have let this man run downfield.
53:43I was thinking about that today when they were, they were like showing JSN on the sideline, just kind of taking it in.
53:50He's sitting on the sideline, chilling out three touchdowns, 155 yards.
53:53And I was like, I can, I still cannot believe the only, the only time they ever brought this man in when
54:00he was a rookie was to run like some stupid screen.
54:03Craig, who's your problem? Well, my problem is the only guy in the NFL who has more fantasy points than JSN, which is Josh Allen.
54:11Josh Allen is a problem right now. Yeah. I'm rewinding back to Thursday night.
54:15The Bills beat the Lions 41-31. This was a game of pure fantasy bliss.
54:19This was like the grand finale firework show of fantasy performance.
54:22Everyone was just popping off. It was like Gibbs and Amon run.
54:26It was just points, points, points. The game was always just close enough where you like couldn't slow down.
54:32It was incredible. Josh Allen, 248 yards passing, 72 rushing, five total touchdowns, zero turnovers.
54:36He had 40 fantasy points. And then he sits down and does the postgame and you find out he had the flu.
54:43I actually didn't hear that part. That's awesome. He was shivering in a tub before the game.
54:48He went and put up 40 fantasy points. It's awesome because this usually doesn't happen, but Josh Allen is the best player
54:55in the NFL and the best player in fantasy.
54:58So it's finally aligning, which Mahomes probably had that for a little bit, but sometimes there are like receivers or running backs
55:04that you kind of need to be ahead of them.
55:07It is 100% Josh Allen is the best player in fantasy.
55:11He has nine touchdowns through the first two Bills games.
55:14He's averaging 38 fantasy points per game, which is the highest scoring first two weeks of a season since the year 2000.
55:20And I'm only stopping there just because that's when true media started tracking stats.
55:25So he's basically having the best two weeks in the history of fantasy football.
55:29Is there anything you regret more than not having Josh Allen as like our 15th player and being like, fuck it, go have fun.
55:36I regret not having him fifth. Yeah. Right. I just, Josh, when Josh Allen's playing something in offseason, Brandon's like, don't take the coolest player in the world.
55:45And then the season starts to like, man, I wish I had the coolest player in the world.
55:50And it's also one of those things where it doesn't feel like fluky and it's going to stop or anything like that.
55:57They have yet to go into the red zone.
56:00But with Josh Allen, I'm like, he could do this every week.
56:03It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever. He is. He is the player in all my leagues.
56:08And I think it's been this way for a couple of years.
56:11He's he's the player in all my leagues where he could be your only good player and you still have a chance to win the fucking league.
56:20You know what I mean? Like you could have a piece of shit roster.
56:24And if you have Josh Allen, you're like, I can compete.
56:27I can do this. Dude, if you were down 35 points going into a game with Josh Allen the last two weeks, you won.
56:35Like, that's just so insane that he is good enough to where if you're down 35, maybe even 40 points, you're like, I have a shot.
56:42By the way, Craig, never wrong, only early Josh Palmer.
56:46Josh Palmer is looking pretty good right now. I'm doing the Michael Jordan guy.
56:50I don't know what to tell you. Two touchdowns, two games.
56:53Josh Palmer is still somehow 26 years old. That's not right.
56:56Yes. He turns 27 on Tuesday. Well, DJ Morris hurt.
56:59Yeah. So he might actually have a bigger role than we were expecting.
57:03It doesn't sound severe. But yeah, good teams retain good players.
57:07Josh Palmer is a good player. Did we mention that Josh Allen was chewing on a smelling salt?
57:12Yeah. Also badass. That was fucking hardcore. He's like mainlining that shit.
57:16It was like he was like treating it like a cigarette.
57:19It was like just like between his lips and he was like letting it waft up into his nose.
57:25Dude, he's actually unstoppable. He's French inhaling or whatever they call it where it's like he like blow out your mouth and
57:32into your nose just with the smelling salts. Hyvids, who's your problem?
57:35Who's my problem? I just want to get Bryce Young is a problem.
57:39And Bryce Young used to just be like a problem.
57:42Bryce Young's a problem now. He's a problem for the Ringer Fantasy Football League who gave him- I cannot believe this.
57:49I can. I can believe it. This is how it's supposed to go.
57:53It does make sense. This is karmic. We tried to box him out from having any quarterback.
57:58You guys literally colluded to try to take every single quarterback- No, it was more like just having fun.
58:04It was blatant fun collusion. Having fun colluding. Right.
58:06You all agreed to make a pact to behave.
58:09But cheeky and fun. It was collusion. Yeah. It wasn't collusion.
58:12You had fun colluding. The funniest thing about this is it is, I believe, the perfect example of fantasy football.
58:18There were 11 other people who were trying their hardest to pick who they thought would be the best quarterback, one after
58:25the other, after the other, 27 times. Yeah. And then you got the 28th and he's great.
58:30What is it? What quarterback is he through two weeks?
58:33Two. Second. God damn it. The only player with more quarterback, more fantasy points in two weeks is Josh Allen.
58:39It goes Josh Allen, Jackson Smith and Jigman and Bryce Young in the entire NFL.
58:44Hilarious. Dude, Bryce Young has been unbelievable. First touchdown is this rollout touchdown to Darren Waller, which was fantastic.
58:50The second touchdown, he layered this throw from the pocket between two defenders to Darren Waller.
58:55The fact that Darren Waller is even still in the NFL and all he does is catch touchdowns is also just hilarious to me.
59:02This man retired with a music video because Kelsey Plum divorced him like three years ago and was like pretending to be
59:09dead on a beach three years ago. It looked like the beginning of Inception.
59:13Yeah, literally. And now it's like he actually is still incredible.
59:16But then Bryce Young had an ever throw to Jalen Coker on the sideline that was just like layered and just as
59:23DK has said accurately, you just forget often watching Bryce Young that this man did actually deserve to be the number one
59:29pick and like had the talent to he was so talented that people were like, even though he's really small, I get it.
59:36Right. Even though it's not like perfect. And he had like Bryce Young has been throwing the football this year and you're
59:43like, oh yeah, I forgot that this guy is talented enough throwing that he went first in the draft.
59:49And the Falcons defense is a little toothless. There's a reason the Panthers just I mean, the Panthers destroyed the Falcons.
59:55I think the final score. Yeah, the final score is 34 to three and the Falcons are down.
60:01I think five defensive linemen after today. But Bryce Young was incredible.
60:04And so I knew that. That's why I took him.
60:07Right now. Right. Yeah. You had a lot of options.
60:10It was him and Aaron Rodgers. And you decided to take Bryce Young.
60:14Hi, Vince. Right now. That was easy. If you're starting a franchise, they're the same price.
60:19No other bells and whistles. It's just quarterback versus quarterback.
60:22Bryce Young or CJ Stroud? I think it has to be Stroud still because I feel like if you switched Bryce Young
60:29on the Texans behind that line and you gave CJ Stroud to Dave Canales in Carolina with, again, the offensive line Carolina
60:36has, I feel like Stroud would play better because the reason Bryce Young is playing well is that Carolina has paid a
60:42lot of money to have some big, big, beefy men up in front of up in front of like protecting Bryce Young and CJ Stroud's offensive line sucks.
60:51I'm so disappointed in you. You're not standing behind your guy.
60:54This is your guy. You have to, you have to, where's your confidence in him?
60:59Come on. My confidence is in. We foisted him upon hyphen.
61:02This is your guy. My confidence is Dave Canales.
61:05Saving you every week. You're saying starting a franchise for like the next decade?
61:09You just started a franchise in the Ringer League with Bryce Young.
61:13Look, he still looks like a sixth grader when he walks into practice with a backpack on there, right?
61:19It's Dave Canales. It's the hotness of Dave Canales.
61:21It's contagious. It's radiating. You know what I mean?
61:24It's the also, you know, he got over the Tyrese Maxey thing.
61:28You know, it's I think I think Bryce it's doing well.
61:31It looks good. The confidence looks good. I will say I do think he looks like the confidence thing is really important
61:38because he looks straight up just shell shocked for the first like two seasons of his career.
61:43He looked like he didn't know how to play football.
61:46He's having fun again. Yeah, he's having fun. The little the magic is back.
61:50He's made a lot of really like plays that he did in college where he's like spinning out away from pressure, moving
61:57outside the pocket, finding a guy lofting up a perfect pass.
62:00He's he again, like you said, I've it's it's what you remember why it was like not a crazy discussion that he was the first overall pick.
62:08And a lot of people had him as the first overall pick.
62:12All right. It's so over. We're so back. Craig, who's over?
62:15It's over. It's over for Aaron Rodgers. It's over.
62:18You know that the only person I like on the Steelers is is Darnell Washington and Jeremy Bernard.
62:24I hate everybody else. You know, fuck you. Fuck you.
62:27Fuck you. You're cool. That's me. It's like Aaron Rodgers.
62:30Fuck you. Offensive line. Fuck you. Mike McCarthy. Fuck you.
62:33Jeremy Bernard. You're cool. Darnell Washington. You're cool. This team stinks.
62:36And and DK Metcalf stinks. Oh, he gets it.
62:39He gets a fuck you. DK Metcalf can't catch the fucking football.
62:42$132 million for giving him to drop the goddamn football.
62:45Steelers are dead last in yards per play through two weeks.
62:49I should say they lost 20 to three to the Patriots.
62:52They're averaging three and a half yards per play.
62:55They're averaging 11 points per game. Did you did you note the fourth and 43?
62:59Yeah, that was bad. Look, there's like the ball got bobbled or juggled or kicked like five times.
63:05This is playing out like Ben Affleck and J-Lo's second marriage.
63:08And we all saw this coming. And in the back of my head, what I always said to myself was this.
63:15It's either going to go great or horribly. And I think either way, that's a good thing.
63:20Because I'm not a middle ground. Lose every game.
63:22This is a great year. I have a top five pick.
63:26I would fucking love if the Steelers had a top five pick.
63:29I don't need you to win 10 games with Aaron Rodgers.
63:33That's actually a worst case scenario. Let's put Bench Rodgers after week 12, put in Drew Adler, and then we'll have a top five pick.
63:40That's what I want. The best part of it was in the postgame presser, Aaron Rodgers, he almost took the blame for something.
63:47Like almost. You know, he was like 98% there.
63:50And then he just couldn't quite complete the taking the blame thing.
63:54And he was like, look, you know what? There's a lot of problems.
63:58And it's on me. It's on me. I got to get better.
64:01I got to go out there and tell the coaches which plays they're calling that are bad.
64:06I'm sorry that they suck. It's actually my fault that I'm not being mean enough to the coach for calling bad plays.
64:13The actual quote is making it. What you said was right.
64:16He's like, I got to be better. He's like, making sure Mike McCarthy knows what is working, what is not working, so
64:23we can call things that have a better chance.
64:26It took one loss. I love it. For him to be like, Mike's calls suck.
64:30It's so clear that he doesn't respect Mike McCarthy because he would have never said that about Mike Tomlin.
64:36Like he just didn't speak that way about it.
64:39He revered Tomlin. And you can just tell he doesn't give a shit about Mike McCarthy.
64:44It's so good. The problem is like, it's actually very simple because I still think if Rogers is just standing in a
64:50clean pocket, I still think he can throw the football.
64:54He's just too old. Like he just can't move.
64:56There's just one problem, Craig. That's very, that's very rare.
64:59He is just too old. But like, I still, it's like, I don't think his like arm is cooked.
65:05He doesn't have like the Manning noodle arm. Like he's still totally fine at throwing the football.
65:10He's just, he's just too old. But he, it was like ancient Will Levis today because he was doing dumb stuff.
65:17Like, like the game ended. I mean, nevermind the fourth and 43 lost 36 yards.
65:21And a play, which I get it happens. But like the way he got rocked and not that it was his fault,
65:28but like a little, like, I don't know. The, the, the way the blitz game kind of was on him.
65:34But the, the, he had another one where he step up in the pocket and the ball got poked out in a
65:41way that he was pretty careless with the football.
65:43And the way the game, like the game, not the game ended, but like the thing that sealed the game was the sack.
65:50He just started running backwards. You know what I mean?
65:53And like, he's not fast enough to run backwards anymore.
65:56He just like, can't move like that. And he's like, there's those little rollouts and they don't work.
66:02Dude. Russell Wilson is that's halftime CBS. Like, why didn't you throw deep to DK Metcalf?
66:07And my first thought was, you know, Russell Wilson just coming in, being a firebrand.
66:11And I'm like, oh, well, well, I guess he threw a lot of fucking deep touchdowns.
66:16I mean, there was a reason that, there was a reason that I used to defend DK Metcalf very like strongly.
66:23And it was because he had a quarterback like Russell Wilson, who was like just absolutely perfect for his skill set.
66:29I've, I've said this from the beginning. I think DK Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers is like a terrible combination.
66:35Not that, not that that ever made sense. Spaghetti, those two.
66:38Give it a try. Oh, it sucks. It doesn't, it doesn't absolve.
66:42It doesn't absolve DK Metcalf of the blame of like dropping passes.
66:45He legitimately can't catch the football right now. I know.
66:48Look, I get it. He's been terrible. He's been very terrible.
66:52I totally admit that. And like, I feel stupid for defending him so strongly before, but he, but he really just is
66:58not a good fit for this type of offense at all.
67:02It's just bizarre. So the Steelers two things is actually mostly to blame them pairing these quarterbacks with these red receivers and these coaches.
67:09It's all a disaster. Two things that really stuck out to me.
67:13One, the staff from Sumer sports, Sean side had this stat that the Falcons and Steelers now rank last second to last respectively.
67:20In total EPA for offense. This Falcons and the Steelers are the bottom two.
67:24That was astonishing to me that the Steelers could be as bad as Atlanta.
67:28They're not as far as apart as you should be.
67:31I want. The other one was, I want him now, dude.
67:34I mean, dude, Cooper rush. Rogers is not that different from Cooper rush this season.
67:39That's fucking abominable. But the other one was Mike Tomlin just straight up said on Sunday football pregame, he said the Steelers
67:46don't have a place to hang their hat. They're not establishing the run and they're not getting yards and chunks.
67:52Okay. Fix it. Settle down, Tomlin. Okay. When you were a coach, the office sucked for five straight years.
67:58So let's settle the fuck. They had no place to hang their hat.
68:02You know. Can't throw stones. DK. I'm going to do the, I'm going to do the Aaron Rogers thing on this one.
68:08I know that I did. I'm at fault for blaming a lot of my problems on Jalen Waddle.
68:14Last week, I was like, I can't believe I fell for it again.
68:18All that stuff. But we're so back with Jalen Waddle.
68:21And you know what? It's actually not my fault.
68:23This is what happens when you make one of your best players a focal point of your fucking offense.
68:29Guys, this offense looked completely different today. Against a very good Jags team.
68:33And it was awesome to see Jalen Waddle be utilized in the way that we kind of convinced ourselves that he would be.
68:40Which was a team high 10 targets. This was almost like them sending a message.
68:45Like, we get it. We fucked up the week one thing.
68:48And he had 10 targets. The next closest receiver on this team was three targets.
68:53So it was him. And basically, that was the game plan.
68:56Give the ball to Waddle. Pass it to the Italians.
68:59Eight catches for 143 yards. And it worked. So I'm not going to apologize.
69:03Broncos won 20 to 13. And they were losing.
69:06And they came back. And the first pass of the game was to Waddle.
69:10He caught then like a 49 yarder, like in the first quarter.
69:14And you two cowards said that you can't start Jalen Waddle.
69:17Guess who has two thumbs and started Jalen Waddle this week?
69:20This fucking guy. And I got the dumb. Here's the problem, Craig.
69:24He's going to have two catches next week. I hope not.
69:27They were moving him all over the field. I'm afraid that he will.
69:31It looked great. He was running crossers. He was motioning in.
69:35He was on the outside. He's playing in the slot.
69:38He looked great. Where the fuck was this last week?
69:41I just don't understand it. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
69:45It was torture. Next week's going to suck. Did we say a stat line?
69:49Did I say it? Do people even know? Yeah.
69:52Eight catches, 143 yards. Yeah. That was a big win for the Broncos.
69:56Another team that looked completely different than they did week one.
69:59Mm-hmm. And I'm almost going to sew over, sew back.
70:02Yeah, I'm giving a weird sew back for Travion Henderson, who waltzed back into New England today.
70:07Ramondre Stevenson fumbled again, and Travion Henderson had a 40-yard touchdown.
70:11We are sew back, and this guy is the only dude on the Patriots team with juice right now.
70:16And he had 16 carries, which I did not expect.
70:19I thought he was going to get like eight touches, and he doubled Ramondre.
70:24Definitely got more after Ramondre fumbled. And whether or not I think he's elite, they give him the ball, and he breaks plays.
70:31This one's good. Ramondre fucking blew it. He fumbled against the Steelers last year, I believe, and then they stuck with him.
70:37And I can't believe Ramondre fumbled against the Steelers again.
70:40Felt like deja vu watching the game. He fumbled.
70:43Ramondre lost two fumbles against the Steelers last year.
70:46And I just, I really believe Ramondre would hold onto this job, but I can't believe he did it.
70:52I mean, I guess I can believe it. I'm an idiot.
70:55I should have known he would do this again.
70:58After he fumbled, basically Travion just took over. They basically sent Ramondre down into the upside down and like see you later.
71:04Well, because it's like the pass protection thing is one thing, but like he wasn't doing anything on the ground.
71:10Like he's not, he wasn't really gaining any yards.
71:13And the second Travion comes in, he like busts one.
71:16What was that? He busted one huge, which again, you're not supposed to do.
71:20We've learned that. We've learned that. Yeah. But yeah, they have to give the ball to Henderson.
71:26He's like the only one who can like get 40 yards in a game on a play.
71:31I feel like I've seen that Patriots Steelers game eight times in the last 16 years.
71:36I know. That's why I'm like Tomlin. Settle down.
71:38It was also kind of a weird game. There's some settle down juice in it.
71:43Have a sip. That's like my home. It's a free game with the settle down juice.
71:48This is, that was kind of a funny game too, because there was a period in the game where you're like, both of these teams suck.
71:56The Patriots suck. Drake may might be actually terrible.
71:58And then they ended up winning by a lot.
72:01And it felt like a really good win for the Pats.
72:04But like I'm, I'm seeing Bill Simmons send out Drake may panic tweets like midway through the game.
72:10When he threw that terrible pick, he keeps short arming throws.
72:13It looks like he's trying to aim it. I don't know what's going on with that guy.
72:18He looked bad. Yeah. For stretches. Have we landed?
72:21Sal did invent Drake. Maybe right. I think so.
72:24That's Sal's, right? Yes. I assume so. Good. Good for him.
72:27I don't want, nobody should steal that. Give credit to Sal.
72:31I have a, we're so back. We are so back with Jalen Hurts.
72:35Yeah. Okay. Just an absolutely incredible classic Eagles game.
72:37Oh, sure. Like classic Eagles are back. Classic. The classic Eagles are back.
72:41Just like old school classic Eagles game. The Eagles beat the Titans 24-20.
72:45Should it have been that close? No chance. Did the Eagles look awful for a lot of the game?
72:51Yes. Did Jalen Hurts throw an interception, a back-breaking interception in the end zone that led to a Titans touchdown?
72:57Yes. Could they run the ball? No. Did Saquon and the Eagle, did Saquon do well?
73:02No. In fact, Saquon left on like immediately, on like his first touch of the game.
73:07The Eagles, did they average two and a half yards of carry?
73:10Yes. Did Jalen Hurts then win the game with absolute unbelievable heroics on the final drive by playing the best he's looked in months?
73:18Well, I guess games and games, months of games on the final drive when it mattered.
73:23Yes. It was perfect. It was literally like, you couldn't have scripted it better.
73:27Yeah. I hate the Eagles. No notes. Dude, Devontae Smith actually looked like a top five receiver.
73:32He looked awesome. On the final two drives. And Dontavian Wicks looks good too.
73:36Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just, yeah. Hurts had moments where he looked awesome.
73:40I totally, I very much agree. Second half, he was fantastic.
73:44But it's just, even in those situations, everything looks so hard.
73:47He had two bad picks. And then it was like, the Titans are just like moving the ball.
73:53I'm like, this is, I just can't believe this is happening.
73:56I don't know how to evaluate this. And I wanted to ask you guys if you believe these numbers.
74:02So we could go through the game and the stats and everything.
74:05But I'm like, this game might have to be out of sample.
74:09So that we, going in, it was like, okay, it's going to be hot in Nashville.
74:14Fine. 95 degrees. Field level is like 105. I'm like, okay, that's hot.
74:18They're saying, this is on ESPN. ESPN is claiming, and I don't really understand this is possible, that the turf temperature in
74:24the Titan Stadium was 157 degrees Fahrenheit. One, five, seven on the turf.
74:28And I don't get, that's why it led to that funny video of them hosing the shoes, the cleats down that looked
74:35like it was pissing on their cleats. Pissing on the shoes.
74:38It's because the cleats were melting. Multiple players. So Imani Hooker is one of the safeties for the Titans said that his midsoles melted off last week.
74:47And then this game, Cam Juergen said that he had to change his shoes twice, that their shoes were melting.
74:53And the players, I think, were pissed because I don't think they'd be allowed to practice in those conditions.
74:58They don't know why they have to play in them.
75:02I don't understand how that's even possible, 157 degrees on the field.
75:05Like they're saying the turf was 157 degrees. You think the field would like absorb some of that heat?
75:11What is this field made out of? I think it reflects the heat.
75:15No, I know, but I'm like, doesn't grass and stuff usually absorb heat and concrete sort of reflects it?
75:21Well, it's not, well, it's not grass. It's turf.
75:23It's concrete. Well, they should fucking make it something else then because that seems bad.
75:28That's expensive. My main point is, my main point, Heifetz, is that it seems bad.
75:32They're short on money. They wouldn't, they, they, yeah.
75:35It seems bad that the field is 150 degrees.
75:38That's all I'm saying. I don't know the answer.
75:41Maybe they should put fans on the sidelines or something.
75:44No, that's good. I like that. Yeah. I'm working, I'm working through it.
75:48You know some, you know some stadiums like the ice rink, like the ice is under the basketball court?
75:53Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. And then it keeps it cool.
75:57That's a good idea. But the problem is we don't know how the refrigerators work.
76:02Well, we don't. We also don't know how ice rinks work.
76:05I did, we did learn that a little though.
76:08No, it's coolants. Coolants lead to refrigerants. Yeah. Sirianni said he got an IV after.
76:12Sirianni needed an IV? I'm glad to hear that, Sirianni.
76:15Sirianni said I needed an IV. Your heroics really helped.
76:18160 degrees is hot. Sirianni is like unironically my favorite coach.
76:22I don't know what he does. The Eagles are the best.
76:25I don't know what he does other than alienate the most important people in the organization.
76:30They go 11 and 6 every year and everybody fucking hates them.
76:34I was thinking this too, like when you were talking about how that game went, I was like, it's got to be
76:40kind of miserable to be an Eagles fan and yet they win so much.
76:44The joke. All they do is, the only thing they spend time doing is fucking defending their quarterback.
76:50Like that's the existence of an Eagles fan right now.
76:53Let's go, let's wake up, take a piss, drink some coffee and go fucking defend Jalen Hurts.
76:58That's all we got to do today. Check one thing off.
77:01We go find some people that are making fun of Hurts and fucking get in a fight with them.
77:07DK sensitive still from that Super Bowl clip we put up.
77:11No, that's, oh yeah, I forgot about that. That was like a year straight.
77:15People chiming in. People were outside DK's house for a year, every morning when he got up.
77:20Well, you said Hurts last on the list of good Eagles players.
77:24You said Hurts last on the list. Yeah. I didn't even say anything negative about Hurts.
77:28Anyway. You said Hurts is named 56 seconds into the clip.
77:32He's easily top 20 seconds. Just enjoy their fucking Super Bowl.
77:35God damn it. Hurts is like still on a plane going to Disney World for the MVP.
77:40People are like, fuck that. Any other so over so back?
77:44It's kind of very much over for Marvin Harrison Jr.
77:47I kind of tried to hold out and be a defender and be like, he's going to be fine.
77:52Yeah. Just a slow start. This used to be a normal type of trajectory for a young receiver.
77:58It takes a little while to get him into the, I don't know.
78:02I don't know. He might be bad. Zero targets, zero catches, zero yards and zero touchdowns today.
78:07Yeah, I didn't notice him. I watched the Seahawks game on my main screen.
78:11And I don't think I saw Marvin Harrison today.
78:14I didn't even see him. It's an unmitigated disaster.
78:17Was he on the field? I don't think he has the, the, he may not have the mental makeup to be an NFL starting player.
78:24Dude, this guy was the fourth overall pick in the NFL draft.
78:28That makes me feel better when we fuck up the fourth pick in fantasy drafts.
78:33What the hell is going on with this? I have a game for you guys.
78:37This is the worst pick than Corey Davis. Yes.
78:40Like Corey Davis is going to have a better career than Marvin Harrison Jr.
78:44Oh yeah. Laquan Treadwell has been in the league for 11 years.
78:48Yeah. Marvin Harrison, he might, I don't know how much longer he's going to be in the league.
78:53And I still, I think the answer is he can't deal with the physicality of it.
78:58And it's not just, he's not strong enough. Like I don't know what's going on with this guy.
79:04Is it the worst wide receiver pick in the history of the NFL draft?
79:08If it continues. There's a lot of them, Craig.
79:11And like, I'm not, Henry Ruggs is probably an answer there, but he, that was a difference.
79:16I'm saying like people who played the game and how highly they were picked.
79:20Four of these picked fourth. It's hard. It's hard because he had like 800 yards his rookie year.
79:25I mean. But maybe. I don't know. Maybe. Like maybe.
79:28It's hard to judge this early, but like, I mean.
79:31This early? Maybe. We're in year three. So. I didn't see him.
79:35I didn't. I didn't see him on the field.
79:38I have a game here. I watched the entire game.
79:41And I'm now thinking back. I'm like, I didn't see him.
79:44Where was he? Three guys who outscored Marvin Harrison Jr.
79:47Today at a lie. Okay. Lejonte Webster. Kaderil Hodge.
79:50Uh-huh. Colson Yankoff. What? Come on. And Bo Melton, who also plays defense.
79:54Colson Yankoff. Colson. Once again, I thought we weren't supposed to be doing that.
79:58Well, I mean. Colson Yankoff. He's not on the field.
80:01His last name is Yankoff. Is he on the commanders?
80:04Yeah. Yeah, he is. Well, Bo Melton did not.
80:07But Colson Yankoff did outscore Marvin Harrison Jr. Colson Yankoff.
80:10I didn't know that man existed. Yankoff. It's an interesting situation for the Cardinals because Jordan Jeremiah Love did not do a whole lot either.
80:18I know the Seahawks defense is very good and he's coming off of this injury from the preseason.
80:23But the returns on having two top four picks at skill position players, you just want more from those two guys.
80:29I know that Jeremiah Love is going to be.
80:32I think he's going to be just fine. He looks great.
80:36But the Cardinals today had 151 yards of offense, 3.2 yards per play, 3 of 12 on third down.
80:41And they got zero targets and zero catches and zero yards and zero touchdowns from Marvin Harrison Jr., who was the fourth
80:48overall pick two years ago or in 2024. And then Jeremiah Love, nine rushes for 29 yards.
80:53He was the third pick this year. It's just like it's got to be so frustrating to watch that.
80:59It's like you want more from it. I know.
81:02And again, I think Jeremiah Love's going to be fine.
81:05I'm not like freaking out about him. But Marvin Harrison is very worrisome at this point.
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81:43All right. Well, appropriately, it's time for far to shart.
81:46America's favorite segment. And possibly going to be sponsored by High Rocks.
81:49I don't know if you guys saw the High Rocks shart situation.
81:53Yeah. Where that woman won that competition and then turned out that she had sharted and kind of left some shart all
82:00over a lot of the equipment people were supposed to use.
82:03I did not see that. Well, it's a huge controversy.
82:06She had to, I believe she had to rescind the title.
82:09Because she pooped on everything? Yeah. She pooped on a lot.
82:13What do you mean? Not everything. Just a lot.
82:15What do you mean? So there was a race.
82:18What is High Rocks? I don't actually know that either.
82:21What is it? So this is NBC News. The international indoor sports competition, High Rocks, apologized after an incident in Beijing where
82:28a runner was allowed to continue a race after soiling herself during the event.
82:32And this is soiling herself. It's a mix of running and then high intensity exercises.
82:37So I think it's like, you know, it's like, you know, sled pushes, poles, burpees, rowing, lunges.
82:42You have to carry sandbags. Workout competition? Yes. And running.
82:45I thought this was just like, yeah, running. But it's- They're in a gym on equipment.
82:50Yes. Oh. So during some of that stuff, she sharted.
82:53She was like- I mean, she was pushing heavy weight and then it just kind of happened.
82:58So there was shark kind of, you know, coming out.
83:01She was leaking. And the other people were really mad that they then had to do all this stuff amidst her shark.
83:08I get that. Situation. Couldn't they just wipe it up and then restart or something?
83:12I don't know. They could have, but they did not.
83:15Like the guys at the NBA games with like the big broom thing.
83:19Exactly. Mop up the key if someone falls. Exactly.
83:22They're prepared. Weird. So the statement they made, High Rocks made a mistake by not reacting immediately during the race.
83:28In the end, it is my job to foresee these potential incidents that I did not.
83:33And then Annie says, and then I got to tell Mike McCarthy.
83:37Yeah. He says, Mike McCarthy's got to tell him what plays to call.
83:40What were they supposed to do? Like she was a streaker?
83:44Like run out there and tackle her? I don't know.
83:47It's like a caution lap in NASCAR or whatever.
83:50They need to fucking stop shit and get the people out there to take care of the hazmat stuff.
83:55Oh, that's good. Brown flag. Yeah. Yeah. The brown flag.
83:58All right. So DK. Yeah. What? Speaking of sharting.
84:01God. All over the place. I want to talk about the Chicago Bears pass catchers.
84:06Colston Loveland, Luther Burden, and Roma Dunze through two weeks.
84:09Colston Loveland has one catch for three yards. I'll say that again.
84:12Colston Loveland through two weeks has one catch for three yards.
84:16Luther Burden has eight catches for 95 yards and Roma Dunze has five catches for 95 yards.
84:21None of them have touchdowns. I'd like you to go through each of these three players and assign shart or fart.
84:27I mean, they're all sharts at this point. I'm rescinding.
84:30I'm rescinding my unequivocal word that I said last time.
84:33I was way too strong about that. I think the Loveland thing, I feel like he's already underplayed his draft position.
84:40Like it's already over in terms of like the value that you could have got.
84:44We talked about this going into the year. I was like, this guy, he's getting drafted really high for a very small
84:51sample of what he did last year. One catch in three yards in two games?
84:56They scored 59 points in week one. And then the burden.
84:59So I don't know. Obviously, I'm kind of being hyperbolic here.
85:02I do think I think Loveland will be more involved in the passing game.
85:06But I do kind of I'm like a little worried it's already over.
85:10Like he's not going to be what we thought he was.
85:14Number two burden. The other egregiously overpriced guy probably.
85:16He's not playing enough, Craig. He leads his team in targets.
85:20He's not playing very much. He's playing. He played like 55% of snaps today.
85:24He put in on the year. He's played like 65%.
85:27That's that's a huge red flag. He might get better as the year goes on.
85:32And then a dunes a I don't know. He's just underwhelming.
85:35That's all. He's a good catch. Khalif Raymond looks better than Luther burden, which is weird.
85:40Get the fuck. Luther burden at the best catch of the day for the for the bears.
85:45He had like a super difficult catch in the rain that like saved their drive.
85:50Yeah, we texted about it. DK was like, wow, what a catch by burden.
85:54I know. I'm not saying that he's a bad player.
85:57I'm saying the relative to where he was drafted and the expectations like a Marvin Harrison thing.
86:02It's worrisome. It's very worrisome that he's only playing like 55, 60, 65% of the snap.
86:07I think I don't disagree with what you're saying.
86:10What's his name? Raymond is like the number one receiver on the team.
86:14I think I agree. The snaps are not great.
86:16But I don't think Luther. Like, I think Marvin Harrison Jr.
86:20is bad. I agree that the snap stuff's not great.
86:23But I think Luther burden is is great. I think that Colson Loveland is like the easiest by low.
86:28And I think it might continue for a couple of weeks.
86:32But if the person who has Colson Loveland starts out like oh and three.
86:36Then and Caleb's out like a month, then Colson Loveland is going to be like the easiest by low.
86:42You got to be. You got to be the bravest fucking person I've ever met to start level next week.
86:48Well, you got brass balls if you start Colson Loveland next week.
86:52Should that be power hour this week? We rank his three targets?
86:55Should we power rank Colson Loveland's three targets of the season?
86:58DK, Roma Dunes, they only 67% of the snaps.
87:01Yeah. That's another one that's very concerning. They're like doing the they're doing the Broncos thing where they rotate a bunch of guys.
87:08It's worrisome. It's very worrisome. So you're going with a triple shart.
87:12The rare triple shart. You don't see that often.
87:15Yeah. Again, I don't think these are bad players.
87:17I think relative to expectations for fantasy, it's a shart.
87:20So you're benching them. But the question is not retroactively relative to their when they're it's like is it a shart right now?
87:27And again, the rule is a fart is something smelly that will go away.
87:32And a shart is something needs to change. Yes.
87:34It's a shart. Something needs to change. So you're not playing into burn next week.
87:39Dunesay need to play more. So you're not playing a Dunesay or Lutheran or Loveland next week.
87:44Well, Loveland, fuck no. I'll wait till he gets more than one catch in a game.
87:49How about that? And then burn in Dunesay. It's like more complicated.
87:53That just depends on your team. But like I'm very nervous about playing them.
87:57I have I have burden in a bunch of leagues and I was high on him, too.
88:02But it worries me a lot to play him next week because it's just the usage isn't where you want you want it to be.
88:10He's just again, I think it was like 55% of snaps today.
88:13It's coming off the field too much. And they were terrible this year.
88:17This is raining. It was the Vikings. I thought the 59 point game he made some good plays.
88:23I feel I feel like I'm not I'm not going to over.
88:26I so again, we were quibbling over, I guess, like the rules of what a shart is.
88:31But like the way that Heifetz puts it, I do think something needs to change for him to be a fantasy star.
88:38Okay. Big words. Oh, there's your candidates here. Anyone else?
88:41Smelling smell. I've got a handful here. We can.
88:44Do you want to do like a quick, quick round on farter shart?
88:48Just give me the give me the lightning round farter shart.
88:51Sure. Go ahead. Terry McLaurin. Shart. Okay. He's been completely mogged by Stefan Diggs.
88:55Stefan Diggs is the number one receiver in that offense.
88:58Not Terry McLaurin. And now Jaden Daniels is hurt.
89:01I mean, Terry McLaurin was wide open for a touchdown that I forget who was a receiver threw it to him and screwed up.
89:08Jalen Lane missed him. He was thrown on the run.
89:12If he just stopped instead of his feet, it would have been an easy touchdown.
89:16And then he like did catch a touchdown that they kind of overturned where like he and the defensive back caught at the same time.
89:24That also could have been a touchdown. But yeah, Terry had like a bad game that also could have been like three touchdowns.
89:31But that. Yeah. But that's the story of his life.
89:34But it's I mean, because the Jaden Dan, I'm just like, this is a shart.
89:38I do not feel good about Terry McLaurin. Terry needs Jaden Daniels as much as anybody.
89:43Like it's all about the connection. Marcus Mariota cannot throw the kind of passes Terry needs to succeed, to be honest.
89:49Okay. Accepted. Number two, George Pickens. Sorry. Number two.
89:52That was not pun. Not intended. George Pickens. Okay.
89:55Yeah. I'm not going to freak out. Okay. Yeah.
89:58He scored seven points this year. CeeDee Lamb is 31.
90:01Yeah. I mean, I'm starting to get a little worried.
90:04Yeah. They all came at the end. They mostly came at the end when Dak wanted the record that Dak passed Tony
90:10Romo for most touchdowns in Cowboys history. A lot of the CD production.
90:14He had a hundred yards and a touchdown at halftime.
90:17Yeah. And he was playing well. But I'm saying that the over, but CD didn't, I just, I'm not 90 yards in the first quarter.
90:25Yes. But you're not benching George Pickens. Because like CD lamb, like these numbers look worse because of the ending when it was garbage time.
90:33Okay. So shart for McLaurin fart for Pickens. Number three, Baker Mayfield.
90:36What do we do with Baker Mayfield? I think this is a shart.
90:40I think the bucks are terrible. I'm like worried.
90:43I'm very worried. I Baker at to be kind was pressing big.
90:47Honestly, I think it's so over for Baker. He lost to Deshaun Watson at home.
90:51Baker was outplayed by Deshaun Watson in Tampa. That's not good.
90:54It's not good. It was straight up outplayed by Deshaun Watson today.
90:58He was definitely pressing because it was a Cleveland revenge game and he was throwing downfield.
91:03Honestly, Baker. I thought he played really poorly. So the Buccaneers lost to the Browns 23-19.
91:08Should we? Maybe we should pause this conversation and pick it up in two and a half hours because that's what they had to do with the game.
91:16They got 58 minutes in and then there was a giant storm that like flooded the field and everything.
91:22And I get that it's hard to do the game winning drive to two hours, but I'm like, you did have two
91:29and a half hours to script a drive. They almost had it like he was blaming.
91:34He basically was like the wet field made every the timing off.
91:37But dude, I don't know what to make of this game.
91:41Deshaun Watson played okay. And then it seemed like God was trying to smite everyone involved just because it was such a strange situation going on.
91:49I don't know what was going on. It seemed like God's wrath was invoked.
91:53But I. Florida. Yeah, it's probably just Florida. Greg.
91:56Greg Allman had this great stat that the Buccaneers since week eight last year are three and ten, which is the only
92:02teams better or worse than that are the Titans, Washington and the Cardinals.
92:06It looks like the Buccaneers have been really bad for a long time.
92:10And it's a bummer because we I mean, we kind of started talking ourselves into Tampa Bay by the end of August.
92:17You know, we were like, I mean, Ibuka got saved by a touchdown today.
92:21But I'm terrified about him. I mean, they're just like Baker, just like they just can't move the ball down the field.
92:28And it's like, well, we were like, well, the Bucs are kind of like the charge.
92:33We're like, well, the charges where we're like, well, there'll be healthier this year.
92:37And it turns out that Baker was kind of just running around, pulling stuff out of his ass and just making stuff work last year.
92:44And it was really cool to watch. But it's incredibly unsustainable.
92:48He looks like he doesn't know the play. Like, it looks like he's like, doesn't have a headset and he just snaps the ball and figures it out.
92:56It looks like he's just ripping passes. That's very true, Craig, because the stat I was going to throw at you guys
93:03is he's been sacked seven times in two games this year, which is 27th in the NFL.
93:08And his pressure to sack rate is almost 40 percent.
93:11And only two quarterbacks, Cooper, Rush and Carson Wentz are worse right now.
93:15So in other words, when he gets pressured, bad things happen.
93:18He gets sacked. He gets turnovers. And like Craig said, it almost just looks like he's winging it half the time.
93:25Yeah. Anytime he starts to do like that little scoot thing where he tries to scoot past the guy and holds the
93:31ball kind of out to like avoid getting strip sacked or whatever.
93:35Um, I'm like, oh, this is gonna I just feel like this is gonna end badly.
93:40So I just feel he is not playing. Yeah, he's not playing in the structure of the offense nearly enough.
93:46He's trying to do too much. It feels like he's pressing and he's making a lot of mistakes.
93:52And he's been he's been basically just bad the first two weeks.
93:55Hopefully that changes. But I'm starting to get a little worried.
93:58I kind of think between the tropical storm that had this two hour delay and also just him just trying way too hard because it was Cleveland.
94:07But he also he had it's more than that.
94:09He had it Buka in the end zone on fourth and 11 to win the game.
94:14Yeah, he missed it. And he missed him. He did.
94:17Um, so Ted Hurst also should have had like two touchdowns.
94:21But, you know, uh, OK, intrusive thoughts. Do you guys have any, uh, unwanted ideation during today's games?
94:26Yeah. Again, intrusive thought. I'm like, what if Drake May is just Carson Wentz?
94:30Oh, no. I don't know. Two dudes from. Yeah.
94:33Two dudes from North Carolina who in their second year were runner up MVPs and led their team to the best record in the NFL.
94:41Dual threat dudes. Big guys. Big arm. Mobile. And then what if it just kind of goes away?
94:46Um, that is kind of eerie. I don't like that at all.
94:50Um, but yeah, he's looked really, he's looked really out of sorts this year.
94:54It's the same thing. Second year Wentz was like Eagles were 11 and two.
94:58He was probably maybe going to win the MVP before he got hurt.
95:02And then it just kind of never materialized. And I'm like, well, Drake May does not look very good anymore.
95:08I don't know what it is. Just like, I don't know what happened to Carson Wentz.
95:13Um, yeah, I think May last year, it was like almost unsustainable.
95:17The high degree of difficulty that he was operating is like, he was the, he was the best deep ball thrower and
95:24most efficient deep ball thrower in the NFL. Um, and I was like, it just kind of did feel like, I don't
95:30know if he's going to be able to recreate that, especially against a stronger, um, you know, opponent schedule.
95:36And I'm not quite, I'm not ready to jump ship, but that is, that is a terrifying comp that you just threw out.
95:43Intrusive thought. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't believe it, but it's, it's festering.
95:47Yeah. I, uh, I, I didn't have an intrusive, well, I have intrusive thoughts, but I really had more of an involuntary sound that I made.
95:55Uh, when the Kobe Durant play happened and that cowboy defender, he got his balls stomped by the other guy.
96:01I, I yelped, I yipped like a small dog.
96:04You yipped like Matthew Reese in Widow's Bay. Yes.
96:06Jackie and the cat like leapt up off the couch because I was so loud.
96:11It was just like, I, I actually like, I didn't know I could make the sound.
96:16It was so violent looking. It was like a Tarantino thing.
96:19You know, all of his weights. Squishy. It's like grinding into his dick.
96:23They like, like Tarantino brings in the best sound guy to like make the noise of his dick getting squished by that.
96:30Every, even like Romo and what's like, man, we'll take a second for that.
96:34Everyone's just like, like they're just their hearts in their stomach at that point.
96:38Ooh. What's it called? When you take the, you put someone's teeth on the sidewalk curb stomp.
96:43Yeah. It was like a curb stomp for your fucking balls.
96:47Oh yeah. That is there like that. I'm not gonna, I've been thinking about it all night.
96:52I can't get that thing out. That was the most horrible.
96:55You know why? The angle was brutal. It was, it was there, the foot, the cleat, it was there so long.
97:02It was so long. It was so perfectly placed.
97:04It was like a jackass fucking cliff or something.
97:07Yeah. Jackass. I don't know if they do that on jackass.
97:10It was like too much for jackass. It's like Steve-O would say no.
97:14A 200 pound man who's gonna dig his cleat into the back of your balls.
97:19And it was also like, he only tripped on the guy's foot.
97:23So it was like he tripped over themself. It was his teammate, which somehow made it worse.
97:28He also stepped on his back too, just for good measure.
97:31It's like he hits him right in the butthole and then he also steps on his back.
97:36It was like the entirety of his gooch. Yeah, I think maybe the toe got in the asshole too, perhaps.
97:42It is everywhere. I, I, that was a brutal shower, I bet.
97:46Oh my. I, oh. Yeah. The cleats are just so apparent in this video.
97:50That's like where the spikes go. I'm watching this over and over now.
97:54And like the lower back stomp is almost as bad.
97:57He's like, oh. Like I wouldn't be surprised if he's not playing next week.
98:01It's so brutal. It's the, it's kind of one of the.
98:05It seems wrong to say that's one of the worst things you see in a football field.
98:10Like that's definitely not true. And yet it's, it's stuck with me.
98:14Sorry. I don't, I don't mean to laugh. I'm sorry that that happened to you.
98:18I'm sorry to Kobe Durant. But God, it's brutal.
98:21It was like, it was like a cartoon stomp.
98:24Like it couldn't have drawn it up any better.
98:26You know why? You know why? It's, it's, it's because instead of being able to step up off it, all his weight.
98:33Yeah. It's like all of his weight is on there for so long.
98:37I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Oh, anyway.
98:40Yeah. Another intrusive thought. Not, not really an intrusive, not really intrusive.
98:44It's something negative. I just kind of just hit me as I was watching.
98:48So there's a kicker out there named Trey Smack.
98:51I think that's the coolest kicker name ever. Yeah.
98:53Trey Smack. It's amazing. He's hitting a three. I think that's the best kicker name ever.
98:58And it came, his first kick was like just smacking a three.
99:02Yeah. Like I was going through all the kicker, I was like, that's the best kicker name ever.
99:07We found it. It's Trey Smack. He did it.
99:10That's the best name. No notes. The only other thing I had was that we don't have Ick of the Week anymore,
99:17but I'm going to do a flex category for Ick of the Week.
99:21Justin Herbert in the pistols and Ick. Okay. Tua should be in the pistol, not Justin fucking Herbert.
99:26Get him out of the pistol. I want him under center or in shotgun.
99:30I don't like the pistol. The pistol is when something's wrong with an offense in the NFL.
99:36The pistol doesn't work. The pistol is like when you're like, oh, well, this guy's a linebacker.
99:41Safety will help play two positions like Travis Hunter.
99:43You end up doing neither. Pistol is like it's all the benefits of understanding shotgun.
99:48It's actually ends up being all the weaknesses of under center, but also all the weaknesses of shotgun.
99:53It's the worst of both worlds. Yes. It's the worst of both worlds.
99:57I don't like how I see him there. Okay.
100:00Every time I see it, I'm like, nah. Get under center.
100:04Have him back up three feet for Christ's sake.
100:06It looks stupid. He's shotgun in the running backs behind him.
100:10Stupid. Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy. DK got any? Brian Thomas Jr.
100:13might not be very good. He might just stink.
100:15I don't know. What's going on with this guy?
100:18He had two big drops today. He is third on the team in fantasy points at receiver.
100:23Kind of DK Metcalf vibes out of him, to be honest.
100:27Yeah. I hate when body catchers jump, but they don't gotta.
100:30Like when you're jumping to catch a ball, but you kind of just won't put your arms out.
100:35I'm like, that's a bad thing. It's pretty crazy how Parker Washington has just taken command of the Jags so quickly.
100:42Like, yeah. Now you're like, God, if it wasn't for him, Brian Thomas stinks.
100:46Jacoby Myers is fine. You have like, you know, Travis Hunter's not really playing receiver.
100:51You're like, they are really dependent now on Parker Washington, who's like amazing.
100:55I can't, I'm having, I mean, I'm sure there's been other instances of this and it's pretty common, but like the Parker
101:01Washington hype translating immediately to, to the season is kind of shocking.
101:05Yeah. You know, it's like, wow. It's actually even better than we thought.
101:09Yeah. He's like immediately a top 15 wide receiver in the league.
101:12I think he's one of the top five guys in target rate so far this year at receiver.
101:18Yeah. And he did, he just looks, he looks like a Monroe.
101:22It mixed with, he just like totally has the juice.
101:25He's second in target rate this year to JSN.
101:27Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's, that's translated immediately.
101:30I'm just starting to be worried that Brian Thomas was a flash in the pan that, that one year.
101:36And I don't know, man, I was concerned by Brian Thomas today.
101:39Uh, okay. Quote of the day. I just, I, Brady, Tom Brady said both piss missile on air.
101:45And then he also said, he just, he just reacted to the Jaden Daniels elbow thing on air and said, oh shit.
101:52And then it was like, oh, excuse my language.
101:54Sorry. Which I enjoyed. I actually liked these two things.
101:57I think these are both complimentary. It was a piss missile to CD lamb.
102:02And then he said, oh shit. When Jaden hit his elbow.
102:05Made him more relatable. That was when I saw Jaden Daniels elbow bend.
102:09I was like, that was also what I said.
102:12I was like, oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I was kind of shocked at how restrained they were when Kobe Duran's balls got stomped.
102:19Yeah. I kind of can't believe Brady didn't say anything for that.
102:23They were just like, ooh, yeah. No. Where's that toe going?
102:26We'll go to a timeout for that. Um, I have a, I have a, well, yeah, well, Brady.
102:32Yeah, no, that is good. Can I ask you guys a question about today?
102:36This is not about Brady. This is not a quote, but it's celebration of the day.
102:41Okay. We got to talk about this Jamar Chase T Higgins touchdown celebration they're doing.
102:45Yeah. I don't know if I saw it. It's the arm out.
102:49That. Is that like, like laying the dick on the table?
102:52What is it? I think that is what it means.
102:55I think it's literally like, yeah, let your dick drop.
102:58And I kind of can't believe that T Higgins did it last week and they just let him keep doing it.
103:05Jamar Chase just made the play of the year and was like, let my dick drop.
103:10And I'm like, dude, a peace sign is taunting.
103:12Like you can't say peace to another player. I just, I don't know.
103:16I kind of, it's weird what they let happen.
103:19The NFL, the, the, the obvious and easy answer is the NFL doesn't know what it means yet.
103:25And they're soon to know. Nobody, nobody tell them.
103:27Um, I think they should let it go. They should let it play.
103:31Well, you can't do the peace sign during the play.
103:34Like you can't taunt people while you're scoring. I think if you scored a touchdown, you could put up the peace sign.
103:41That's true. Yeah. In that case, they're like, we're happy that you're promoting peace.
103:45But if Jamar Chase was running down the sideline and kind of dropping his arm between his legs, I don't think he could do that.
103:53I guess that would be taunting. Taunting is the lamest penalty.
103:56It's like, who gives us? Like, who cares? It's like, you can knock the guys unconscious, but you can't like.
104:02So running into the end zone, they can't like do something.
104:06They can't celebrate on their way in. Can't have fun.
104:09Aaron Jones's helmet's going flying. A man's taint was just destroyed.
104:12And that's fine. He will never recover. Dude. I'm thinking about him like having to go home and talk to his wife.
104:19You know that scene in like the, this is 40.
104:22Yeah. Which just has to spread. You know what I mean?
104:25I just feel like that's, oh man. I just, poor guy.
104:28Worst ref or coach decision of the day. I mean, I could go for a while on Aaron Glenn.
104:34I don't know how long we want to do it, but Aaron Glenn, put on one of the worst fourth quarter coaching performances I've ever seen.
104:42And the Jets were almost 2-0 for the first time since 2015.
104:46Oh, they were in control of that game, man.
104:48They played well. The Jets might not be a bad team.
104:52And they were at a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter.
104:55And he made three truly moron, moron level plays.
104:58Like the fourth and one tied minute left. He runs it out of the gun, which was like insane to me.
105:04And then the big one was the left, no timeout with the minute left.
105:09The Green Bay throws it. You got to explain it.
105:12It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. The Packers threw the ball to Christian Watson with a minute left.
105:16And Green Bay then had a fourth and five.
105:19The Jets had two timeouts. And they did not call one.
105:22They let it run all the way down. Even LaFleur after in the press conference was like, I don't know what the Jets were doing.
105:30I can't believe they didn't call a timeout. There was a minute left.
105:34They could have gotten the ball back. And instead, the Packers run the ball all the way down.
105:39And they throw a Hail Mary. And they go to overtime.
105:43And then they get to overtime. And Aaron Glenn takes the ball first.
105:47Which is what you're not supposed to do. And they fucking lose.
105:50And it was a master class in stupidity. It really was.
105:54And Aaron Glenn's explanation for, again, so the Packers were pretending they'd run a play in fourth and five at midfield.
106:00First of all, you should be hoping they're going to run a play at fourth and five at midfield.
106:06If you're a defensive coach, you're like, so we get to stop?
106:09We could just go 10, 15 yards and get a field goal?
106:13But Aaron Glenn literally was like, I didn't even think about taking a timeout there.
106:18Didn't even consider it. To be honest, it sounds like he didn't even...
106:22Because they could pin us with a punt. And then we would be stuck.
106:26He's more worried about taking his safety or being pinned back and having a punt back and having it blocked than he is about scoring.
106:33I think you're giving him too much credit. I think he just said that because it was the first thing that popped
106:40into his head at the press conference. Because even that doesn't make any sense.
106:44I actually think he didn't have an answer. He just made something up.
106:48I think Aaron Glenn, he seems like a really nice guy and a great motivator and all this stuff.
106:54But Aaron Glenn is... He's maybe the worst in-game coach with clock management I've ever seen.
106:59Like, he's up there with Nate Hackett and Vance Joseph and like, Aaron Glenn, the most...
107:04Again, would you rather have the ball with a minute or not?
107:07And he just was like, we're good. It's insane.
107:10He's like, I was worried about them pinning us.
107:13I'm like, I actually... You should just say, like, I'm not answering that question.
107:17I would have preferred that than you give me that.
107:20I don't know how you can be in football as long...
107:24Again, I know I keep bringing it up with this Jets-Broncos-London game last year, which people probably did not watch.
107:30But they literally changed their mind on whether they were going to score in the middle of the drive.
107:35Like, they were literally like... We're like, ah, we'll just knee out the clock.
107:40And then they just changed their minds. It was the worst clock management I've ever seen.
107:45I've never seen a team change their mind in the middle of a fucking two-minute drill on whether they were trying to score or not.
107:52There was one of those great stats out there about how iconic this loss was.
107:57So the Jets became the first team on record since 1941 to lose a game when holding an opponent to less than
108:03200 yards, the opponent has 100-plus yards of penalties, and you win the turnover margin by one or more.
108:09Entering today, teams were 44-0 in that spot. Dude, it's so bad.
108:13The Jets... The Jets played well. Gino played well.
108:15They should have won that game. The Jets should be 2-0, and the Packers should have been 0-2.
108:21And the Packers would have been in quite the hole, and the Packers really got their ass saved.
108:26DK, any other things you... Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line.
108:30I won't respond to it. Just anything that confused you today?
108:34I don't know if you guys have already talked about this, or maybe this is a common thing, but I saw a
108:40graphic today of Matt Ryan, and it just said, Matt Ryan, President of Football.
108:45That's his title. I looked it up. I googled it, and his title, generally, is President of Football.
108:50Yeah. Is that something that a lot of teams have?
108:53Because if they do... Almost always President of Football Operations.
108:56He's the President of Football? Why didn't anyone tell me this?
109:00Are you sure you're right about this? Yeah. I fucking looked it up.
109:03He's the President of Football. He's just on the side.
109:07He's the President of Football. He's like... Matt Ryan's like, look, I know you guys got to make up a thing for
109:13me because you just want to hire me because I'm a fan favorite or whatever.
109:18I want to be the President of Football. It's like his son decided the title.
109:22President of Football. That's good. Anyway, both of the starting quarterbacks of the Falcons today ended with negative points in fantasy.
109:29Jack Strand. That's crazy. 8 for 15, 59 yards, a pick and a fumble loss.
109:33He had negative .04 points. Cooper Rush, even worse.
109:3610 of 17 for 86 yards, two picks and a fumble.
109:39Negative .56 points. The Falcons have yet to find the red zone.
109:43They are the first team since 2008 to do that.
109:46I loved that. That's so bad. It was awesome timing where this guy had to sign a Falcons fan that said, we want Strand.
109:53Which is like the most depressing, pathetic thing I've ever seen.
109:57And then they bring in Strand and he throws a pick six at his first pass.
110:01They desperately want the guy who didn't even play D1.
110:05We want Strand. It's so good. He made that sign for week two.
110:08He's like, I'm sick of this. We deserve Strand.
110:11Pick six. Now might be a good time for- Jack Strand was undrafted.
110:15It's week two. He's like, we demand the undrafted Jack Strand.
110:18By the way, hey guys, guess what? The Falcons, the next three weeks are in prime time.
110:24What's his sign going to say next week? What's next?
110:27What can he demand? Give us the Penix. Is the Penix in yet?
110:31We demand to be taken seriously. Is the Penix in yet?
110:34Put the Penix in. Put the Penix in. Is the Penix in yet?
110:38Put the Penix on the table. I can't feel it.
110:41Is it in? I just, that was the saddest thing I've ever seen.
110:45It was a huge sign. We want Strand. Was that Strand's brother?
110:49Who was that? Look, they're really engaged in this.
110:51The Falcons are playing in Thursday night football this week, sorry, next week, the next week after that Monday night football and
110:58then the week after that Sunday night football. Oh yeah, three prime time.
111:02They're allowed to flex that but they never have in week five.
111:06I think they might flex the Ravens out. Oh, not if the president of football has anything to do with it.
111:12You think he's going to flex his own team out?
111:15He's going to fucking veto that shit. He's actually higher than Goodell.
111:19If the pennies is in, maybe they'll keep it.
111:21Serious question. I don't know what's going on with Tua.
111:24I don't know if he's shadow retired. Would you rather, do the Falcons play Cooper Rush or Strand again?
111:30How long until we just play Matt Ryan? How long until Matt Ryan should just play for the Falcons?
111:36Oh, that's a great question. Because then he'd be the president of, I mean, the president of football should probably also play football.
111:43He's got a president of football. He's got to also play.
111:46President of football is so funny. Maybe I'm just dumb and like every team has that but I was laughing so hard.
111:53No, they don't. We want, we want Strand. We demand Jack Strand.
111:57Enough. Enough. It's week two. I can't be doing this.
112:00It's week two. Enough of Cooper Rush. I didn't know who Jack Strand was three weeks ago but we, I demand him now.
112:07And then you can't open it's a fucking pig six.
112:10Pig six immediately. When he burned the sign after that, what do you do?
112:14I was like, what are you doing with the sign?
112:17The people around you in the stands are like, yeah, he's coming in and then he throws a pig six.
112:23To be clear, also, it wasn't like a sign that he drew on a piece of cardboard.
112:28It's like printed and laminated and there's graphic design on it.
112:31There's the, there's the Falcons logo. It almost looks like the Falcons made this.
112:36And handed it out when he went into the, went into the doors.
112:40Maybe this man is the assistant to the president of football.
112:43I don't know. I just, I just thought, I just thought that was so funny.
112:48I've never seen a sign like that. That's crazy.
112:50The Falcons, the, the run of things, you know, there was like a, there was a show, you know, Craig, I don't
112:57know if you've seen this but there was a show with David Cross where it was like the increasingly bad decisions of Todd something or other.
113:05It was like this show from, I don't even know when it was but I feel like that's what the Falcons are.
113:12It's like the increasingly bad decisions of the Atlanta Falcons.
113:15Every one of their big moves over the last like however many years, two or three years is, it's just like the worst decision ever.
113:22Them, them signing Kirk Cousins and then drafting Penix and then trading up to, to take the pass rusher whose name I'm forgetting right now.
113:30What's his name? Pierce. Pierce. Yeah. And then Jalen Walker, I like, but he's hurt.
113:34It's like, man, everything that could go wrong so far is like going wrong.
113:39Yeah. Relatedly, two tight ends to outscore Kyle Pitts and a lie.
113:42I just have two players to outscore Kyle Pitts and a lie.
113:46I have Ryan Miller, Cody White, and Mason Taylor.
113:49Cody White had like two touchdowns, didn't he? I was hoping you would forget.
113:53He was the guy with the weird dance. Ryan Miller had a touchdown.
113:57Yeah. I saw Mason Taylor have a catch or two.
114:00What was, what did Kyle Pitts do today? He had one catch of 15 yards.
114:04Man. We want Strand. We demand Jack Strand. They all three outscored him then.
114:09No, no, wait, is Miller, it was Cody White.
114:11Who's the other guy? Ryan Miller, Cody White. These aren't tight ends.
114:15No, they're not. They're receivers. I couldn't find tight ends who had less than 15 yards.
114:20All the guys had catches. What did Mason Taylor do today?
114:23Nothing. Okay. I had to find someone to get a literal zero.
114:27It was hard to find a tight end. He didn't have a catch?
114:31Shit, maybe it was one of their other tight ends then.
114:34Jets are kind of good. That's crazy. Burn book?
114:37Yeah. We have a, there's a deep bench today.
114:40What is the argument of, how could it not be Marvin Harrison Jr.?
114:44Even by the standards of, we hate this guy, don't draft him.
114:47He's been an abomination. The Cardinals aren't playing him.
114:50It probably is. I didn't see him today. I think my, my only argument is like, was he even like starting for people?
114:57Like, was he like the fifth guy on your team anyway?
115:00Fifth receiver? Like, was he really being played? Maybe he was.
115:04I can, here, let me, I'll look it up on Yahoo right now.
115:08Yeah. Cause I just wonder if he's already been relegated to like a fantasy bench player.
115:12You know, I'll tell you right now. Marvin Harrison was, he's rostered 90%.
115:16This week he was start, started in 19% of leagues, but Chris Ryan played him this week in the regular league.
115:23We got him. No points. Yeah. Chris Ryan played Marvin Harrison Jr.
115:26This week. Yeah. Do you, so do you think we, it should be him?
115:31It's the, what are we going to do? Not burn him.
115:34Who else do we got? Give us some, uh, I think Saquon Barkley juice for squeeze is way more frustrating.
115:40Saquon's been bad. He got hurt today. Got a stinger on the first play of the game.
115:45And then he came back and got like four more carries and then inexplicably finished the game.
115:50And then he's getting an MRI. I'm like, why if he's getting an MRI, why did they put it back in the game?
115:57MRI came back fast. No, no. After the game, he's like, I need to get an MRI now.
116:03Don't you wish all the players to come back?
116:06Before they went back to the MRI. Not if they were hurt enough to require an MRI.
116:11And only do four more carries. Right. Shit or get off the pot.
116:15You know what I mean? Should we, well, should we be burning Colston Loveland?
116:19We have the discord, Jordan, the discord ringer, fancy football.
116:22We have a burn book. Yeah. I mean, I mean, Loveland is who's more dead to people than Colston Loveland.
116:28Once again, if you have the brass balls to start Colston Loveland next week, it's Colston Loveland.
116:33He has fucking three yards in two weeks. Three yards in two weeks.
116:37He's the better tight end off the board this year.
116:40He's got three yards. That's a good point. Marvin Harrison Jr.
116:44Has outscored Colston Loveland. That is, that is a good point, man.
116:47That's true. That's sad. By 30 yards. That's even sadder than that.
116:51Jack strands poster. He's 11 times more. He's 11 times more yards.
116:54I need to know if somebody was really, if that man was related to Jack strand, please let me know.
117:01We want strand. Anyone can find the put in Jack strand guy.
117:04Please put us in contact with them. Email us at ringerfantasyfootballgmail.com.
117:08I mean, if it is his dad or something, that's not as funny.
117:11No, no, it was like a, Oh, I guess it could have been.
117:15I don't think it was. I think he looked a little too young to be his dad.
117:21I don't think his dad's showing up to the game with a sign.
117:25It's like, put in my son. He was angry yelling.
117:28We want strand. All right. Professionally printed. That's not Colston Loveland.
117:31You're in the burn book with AJ Brown. Okay.
117:34For sure. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you.
117:37Nikhil. Thank you, Cam. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you everyone for listening.
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117:48Lord. Yeah, Lord. I did it. 80s. DK, I'm up because you did Twisted Sister.
117:52Last episode. I want rock. Rock, which we found it was Goofy Goober Rock, which is from the SpongeBob movie.
117:58Today, I'm going ZZ Top, Give Me All Your Lovin'.
118:01Oh. Banger of a song. How does it go?
118:04Throw that on. Play it. You'll know the guitar.
118:07I know ZZ Top. Yeah, I definitely know this song.
118:10This one's, this would be not like the song I think of with ZZ Top, but I like it.
118:16It's a banger. This is so 80s. This is not what I thought these guys would look like.
118:21ZZ Top? What? ZZ Top have like iconic look.
118:24That's like why they're ZZ Top. Yeah, the beards.
118:26The hair. Yeah. I was unfamiliar with their game.
118:29These guys look different than I thought. It's so good.
118:32They look like, I don't know, like if Gandalf and Saruman had a band.
118:37Honestly, kind of fair. I guess. Give me all your loving is like a, it's like a windows down highway song.
118:43You're having a blast. I don't think I even know this song.
118:47ZZ Top, they're playing the two buildings next week.
118:49I'm going, I can't wait. Oh yeah, they're doing Red Rocks and the two buildings.
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