The 26 Best Players Under 26, Part 1. Plus, a Request to the Seven and Craig's Close Encounter With Spielberg.
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1 hr 34 min
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Jun 8, 2026
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Mon, June 8, 2026
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Colston LovelandGarrett WilsonKenneth Walker IIIQuinshon JudkinsC.J. StroudChris OlaveDe'Von AchaneFernando MendozaGeorge PickensJ.J. McCarthyKyler MurrayLadd McConkeyOmarion HamptonTyler Warren
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C.J. Stroud
PositiveProjection0:11
CJ Stroud is viewed as underrated, with solid numbers in yards per attempt and EPA per dropback, suggesting he could perform better if the Texans improve their offensive line.
Insight pageChris Olave
PositiveInjury0:22
Concerns about Chris Olave's health due to past concussions could impact his long-term outlook, but his talent remains undeniable.
Insight pageColston Loveland
PositiveBreakout0:27
Colston Loveland had a strong finish to his rookie season, ranking as a top tight end in fantasy during the last part of the year, indicating potential for a breakout.
Insight pagePositiveUsage0:27
Loveland's usage increased significantly in the second half of the season, suggesting he could be a key target moving forward.
Insight pageDe'Von Achane
PositiveUsage0:56
Devon Achane is an explosive running back with a strong ability to create big plays, but concerns about his usage and the team's overall direction make him a difficult player to rank.
Insight pageFernando Mendoza
PositiveProjection0:50
Fernando Mendoza, the Raiders' rookie quarterback, shows promise with his maturity and accuracy, and he could quickly adjust to the NFL under a solid play caller.
Insight pageGarrett Wilson
PositiveRole0:19
Garrett Wilson has shown talent but has struggled with inconsistent quarterback play, which has affected his production despite his ability to get open and make difficult catches.
Insight pageNegativeProjection0:21
Despite his talent, Garrett Wilson has had to grind for his production, often struggling in a Jets offense that fails to score touchdowns.
Insight pageGeorge Pickens
PositiveBreakout0:52
George Pickens has shown elite talent and production, outscoring CD Lamb in yards per game, and could be a top receiver in the NFL if he continues to develop.
Insight pageJ.J. McCarthy
NegativeRole0:12
JJ McCarthy's relationship with Kyler Murray appears strained, as he described their dynamic as 'two guys in a classroom' sitting on opposite sides, which raises concerns about his role and confidence in the team.
Insight pageKenneth Walker III
NegativeProjection0:19
Kenneth Walker is not ranked highly due to concerns about his health and the uncertainty surrounding the Jets' future, including a potential coaching change and a new quarterback next year.
Insight pageNegativeInjury0:58
Concerns about Kenneth Walker's health persist, as he has yet to surpass 1,100 rushing yards in a season and has been held back by injuries.
Insight pageKyler Murray
PositiveRole0:30
Kyler Murray's veteran presence is noted, but his boilerplate responses about working with JJ McCarthy suggest a lack of genuine rapport, which could impact team dynamics.
Insight pageLadd McConkey
PositiveBreakout0:38
Ladd McConkey had an impressive rookie year, ranking fourth in the NFL in yards per route run against man coverage, and he has a strong team infrastructure with Mike McDaniel and Justin Herbert, making him a promising fantasy asset.
Insight pageOmarion Hampton
PositiveUsage0:39
O'Marrion Hampton's rookie season was marred by injury and poor offensive line play, leading to low underlying metrics, but there are still signs of potential based on his college scouting.
Insight pageQuinshon Judkins
PositiveInjury0:25
Judkins suffered a severe leg injury last season, which raises questions about his health and future performance.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:25
Quinshawn Judkins has shown significant potential as a young running back, and despite a serious injury, he could emerge as a key player for the Browns.
Insight pageTyler Warren
PositiveProjection0:46
Tyler Warren has the potential to be a significant fantasy contributor this season, especially with Michael Pittman gone, and could see a high volume of targets in the Colts' offense.
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1:03And today we are recording. It is May 28th.
1:06And you're listening to this later in June. And we're going over the top 26 players under 26 for 2026 that we're doing, DK.
1:13Yes, that was a very good presentation of that.
1:15Yes, it's basically the 26 best skill players under 26 years old.
1:19So 25 and under. And it's kind of from a dynasty lens, but it's also just from a these guys are awesome lens.
1:26We kind of blended that. But this is our top 26 players who are 26 or 25 years or younger.
1:31Yeah. Quarterbacks, tight ends, running backs, wide receivers. Is it like the best players?
1:35Kind of. Is it players we would want in a super flex dynasty fantasy football league?
1:40Mostly. Did we also include how much they matter in real life?
1:44A little. Are we going to agree on the parameters of this?
1:47Never. No, definitely. The Ringer is built on confusing categories.
1:50We did. Yeah. So we did rank the top 26 players.
1:53Not only did I find myself disagreeing with you guys, I actually kept looking back and I'd be look at my own
2:00rankings and I'd be like, these are really dumb.
2:02I don't know what I'm doing. I felt like really right, but also really wrong about sometimes the same player at different times.
2:09So I don't know. We're going to we're going to count down.
2:12This is going to be two episodes. Candidly, we're doing this.
2:16I'm leaving for my honeymoon in Sweden immediately after this.
2:19Spotify's 20th anniversary is next. Well, for you in the past two weeks ago, for me next week, it's May 28th.
2:25We're recording this next week in June. We're in Stockholm.
2:28I'm then on my honeymoon. So we're doing two parts right now.
2:31This is part one. We're going to have part two.
2:34That's going to come out for you next week.
2:37And yeah, we're going to count on the 26.
2:39We're going to yell a lot. Talk about hot quarterbacks.
2:42I don't know. But anything that happens between now and then, if there's some big trade or something, we didn't address it.
2:49That is why. So without further ado, you guys want to go through the top 26 players under 26?
2:54Yeah, we're going to start. We're going to start with 26 to 13.
2:58So we're going to do two parts, 13 guys for each episode.
3:02So this will be the bottom half. Okay. 26 to 13.
3:05I do want to start with honorable mentions and dishonorable mentions.
3:08I actually want to start with the player who came in dead last.
3:12The worst player under 26 years old is JJ McCarthy from the Minnesota Vikings.
3:16I know this was two weeks ago for the people listening now.
3:19We decided we don't care because the quote that came out of OTAs with JJ McCarthy, Kyler Murray, the back-to-back quotes, where
3:26Kyler Murray comes out and is asked about his relationship with JJ McCarthy.
3:30And Kyler Murray gives the most boilerplate veteran answer.
3:32DK, if you want to read it, I actually wrote it down.
3:36I'll send it to you. Read. It's literally so vanilla what Kyler Murray says.
3:40Yeah. He says, it's been great. It's been great, obviously.
3:43I know he's a younger guy. And this is basically the question is, how has it been working with JJ McCarthy?
3:49How's that quarterback room going? He says, it's been great.
3:52I know he's a younger guy. So any way I can help him, obviously, I feel like I've played seven years now going on eight.
3:59So I'm considered a veteran, even though I don't see myself as that.
4:03Give him any knowledge that he needs. Again, this is like exactly boilerplate.
4:07It's like a PR firm. Veteran answer. Yeah. And it doesn't really raise any questions.
4:11It's basically exactly what fans want to hear. It's like, oh, they're getting along great.
4:15He's helping them out. All that stuff. Then they asked the same thing to JJ McCarthy.
4:20Don't worry. I asked Cam. Cam, can you play what JJ McCarthy said?
4:24JJ, what's your relationship been like with Kyler so far?
4:27It's just like two guys in a classroom. He sits on one side.
4:31I sit on the other side. And it's the coach's responsibility to teach us and coach us.
4:35Is there any awkwardness between you two? Awkwardness, it's just like the same feeling when you're in high school and there's another
4:42person on the other side of the room. That's just kind of how it is.
4:46So I wouldn't say there's any awkwardness. You know that feeling that's awkward when you're in class and there's another guy on the other side of class?
4:54Like, that's awkward. No awkwardness. What is he talking about?
4:57There's no awkwardness. High school. There's no awkwardness. High school wasn't awkward.
5:01Now it's not awkward. No awkwardness. He didn't even say like one positive word.
5:05He just started with, we're like two guys in class.
5:08He didn't say, oh, it's been good. We're like two guys.
5:11He just said, we're like two guys in class.
5:13I love that he specified. He sits on one side.
5:16I sit on the other. It wasn't even like we're in class sitting next to each other.
5:21We're on opposite sides of the classroom. Clearly not sitting next to each other.
5:25Like high school. What is he talking about? Kyler Murray got signed by the Vikings in March, early March.
5:31You've had two months plus to figure out what you're going to say the first time you're in front of the microphone for OTAs or whatever.
5:39You just, all you have to say is no, it's not awkward at all.
5:43He's been great. Yeah. It's been great to work with him.
5:46Obviously first overall pick, such an accomplished football player.
5:48It's been great working with him on the field.
5:51I've already learned a lot. I'm excited for what we can bring to the team.
5:55Craig, you can do this so easily in your sleep.
5:58It's not even like a hard situation to figure out you need to lie.
6:02No. It's bizarre. Maybe Kyler Murray's been an exceptional dick to him and actually JJ McCarthy's really underplaying it because otherwise I.
6:09It doesn't matter. Still lie. It doesn't matter. Just fucking lie.
6:12He's like, yeah, he's like Ben Stiller in Happy Gilmore.
6:15He's just like every single time. He's just like, hey, the cameras turn off.
6:19But I. This is remarkably transparent. I mean, he is so fucking pissed about this.
6:23Well, maybe he shouldn't have sucked. That would have helped.
6:26Yeah. I don't know. This is really. But I do think this is what happens though.
6:31Kyler Murray probably is being a pretty cutthroat. I'm going to like step on his neck veteran about it.
6:37But it's weird that JJ McCarthy would just kind of admit, yeah, he's mean to me.
6:41What? And like. He's mean to me. He's ignoring me.
6:44It's really. It's giving me a lot of anxiety.
6:47Dude. JJ's whole situation. He comes in. Tears his what?
6:50Meniscus. Misses the whole year. Yeah. Then they get rid of Sam Darnold, who goes off and wins the fucking Super Bowl as JJ McCarthy is horrible.
6:58Then the next year they bring in Kyler Murray, who was ran out of Arizona, who comes into Minnesota.
7:03And Kevin O'Connell is probably in love with him because he's 10 times better than JJ McCarthy.
7:08I mean, it's about as bad as a first three years as a top 15 pick could have.
7:13Yeah. When you put it like that, it's pretty bad.
7:16I also have to issue a correction. I said the other day, the Vikings won a Super Bowl for.
7:22I think they won the NFL championship. I forgot that that's not the Super Bowl because they were a different league.
7:28So Vikings fans were pissed because they've never won a Super Bowl very famously.
7:32And yeah, it's kind of incredible to think that Darnold won 14 games there for the Vikings.
7:37And then they didn't bring him back. And then Darnold won the Super Bowl.
7:41And McCarthy sucks. That is. That is. It's just the worst run out of match.
7:45This answer was like the worst way he could.
7:48The offseason could have gotten kicked off for him in terms of like the organized team activities, like getting back together on the field.
7:55I think I saw Kyler Murray through a touchdown pass to Jordan Addison on his very first pass of OTAs, which is great.
8:02This is just the worst possible start for JJ McCarthy.
8:05I don't know what's happened in the last two weeks since now that you guys are listening.
8:10Maybe he's turned it all around. Yeah. And I'm like, I have zero faith.
8:14This is going in the right direction. This is where we're getting close to the end here.
8:19I also saw Jawan Jennings, who's now on the Vikings, said that he feels like Kevin Durant on the Warriors.
8:25Being on the Vikings. And I don't know. I don't know what that means.
8:29I don't know who's Steph. Is it Jesse Jefferson?
8:31Is it Kyler Murray? Who's Klay Thompson? Who's Draymond Green?
8:34I don't understand. You've got to fill that out.
8:37He's Kevin Durant. He's Kevin Durant. That doesn't make any sense.
8:40Yeah. Kevin Durant famously had no suitors on the open market.
8:43His own team didn't want to keep him. And he decided to finally sign with the team that already had several high profile receivers.
8:50Maybe he thought he signed with the Seahawks. My God.
8:53Okay. I want... Let's get... Dude, just say it's great.
8:56Just say things are great. How's it going? He's been awesome.
8:59He's been teaching me so much stuff. We've been going over the playbook.
9:03Just make shit up. Someone's in JJ's ear. JJ, just don't say the weirdest thing imaginable.
9:08Got it. Yeah, we're like two guys in class sitting on opposite sides of the classroom.
9:12Also, this metaphor makes no sense. It is like that...
9:15Just say anything normal. That TikTok about... Anything at all.
9:18Say a number. Peter Thiel's PR people. And they're like...
9:21He's like, all right, Peter. Do you want the human race to continue?
9:25And they're like, all right, Peter. This is a softball.
9:28And he's like... All right, here we go. We got this.
9:31He's like, hmm, do I? I continue. Human race?
9:34What is a species, really? Anyway. All right. Tom, have you ever met...
9:38Do you know Greg... Whatever. Fuck. What's his name in succession?
9:41In the hearing when they asked Tom if he knows Greg and Greg...
9:45And Tom says no. And Shiv goes, no, Tom, no.
9:47And then they're like, you sent him 185 emails last night.
9:51Oh, my God. That's the best episode ever. Are you...
9:54Do you know Greg Hirsch? No. No, Tom? He's like, oh, sorry.
9:57Do I know him? Yes. Yes, I do. Different spelling.
10:00Okay. So 2626. I want to just mention a couple players who are just too old for this list.
10:06And don't get mad at us for them being left off.
10:09Because they're old. First of all, Bo Nix and Tyler Shuck.
10:12They are 26 or older. So not on the list.
10:15Michael Pennix Jr. That's wild. There's like several players on here who are in their second contract.
10:20Dude, literally Michael Pennix, Poe Nix, Tyler Shuck. Guys that are...
10:23Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is on this list. He's an elderly veteran.
10:27Jonathan Taylor, James Cook are running backs that are too old.
10:30And also Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Rasheed Rice, Justin Jefferson, and Trey McBride.
10:34Rasheed Rice. Sneaky old. Didn't know he's that old.
10:36He's 26? Yeah. He actually just turned 26. Maybe he was celebrating and that's why he has to go to jail.
10:42So anyway, I want to start with a few dishonorable mentions or honorable mentions here.
10:47Players that didn't mention. The literal last thing that happened right before we started was Craig decided to...
10:52Deacon, I did not have CJ Stroud on this list for the top 26.
10:56Craig did single-handedly. And Craig right before the show was like, fuck that.
11:00Cut CJ Stroud. Stroud. To be honest, I overvalued quarterbacks because of the dynasty.
11:04I was too fantasy-brained and I was like, I don't actually believe this, so I moved him down.
11:09Can you give us a Stroud, though? Stroud! Yeah.
11:12I actually was going to make the argument Stroud is underrated.
11:15I wrote down this whole long spiel. Do you want me to get into it or is that...
11:20Yeah, I don't know where to put him. I don't know where to put Stroud.
11:25I have him 26. He's right on the fringe, but you guys have him both lower than me.
11:30So, my take... My pitch for Stroud, which originally we had him like 26, I think he was the last guy in.
11:36And then he got bumped out. Now he's 28, so he barely missed.
11:40Basically, I think Stroud, based on... Especially us. Maybe we're like driving the train, but he's probably underrated at this point based on...
11:47I think he has some very high-profile shit-the-bed moments in the playoffs, and that's definitely driving the narrative.
11:52But if you look at some of the numbers, honestly, they're not that bad.
11:56Yards per attempt last year, 7.2, which is 14th as ahead of Trevor Lawrence, Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow, Caleb, Baker, Dart, Nix.
12:02EPA per dropback, 14th right behind Caleb Williams and ahead of Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Hurts, Lamar, Herbert, Dart.
12:08Passer rating, he's 17th. Again, kind of like right there in the middle.
12:12I think if you take into account that he has a shitty-ass O-line, no run game, I think that you could make
12:18the argument he's like right there in the middle among quarterbacks.
12:21And especially young quarterbacks, he's like probably underrated. And so, I don't know.
12:25I think I was ready to make the argument that he deserves to be high on this list, or at least part of this list.
12:32But since we bumped him out, we'll just say he...
12:35I do think at this point we're probably underrating him.
12:38I think Stroud has a lot in common in the NFL with the person that DKU originally comped C.G.
12:44Stroud to coming out of college, which is Jared Goff, who has struggled immensely when he's dealt with interior pressure or a lot of pressure.
12:51I mean, McVay gave up on him. But also Jared Goff has been capable.
12:55I mean, he literally had a 100% completion percentage game with the Lions, which had never happened before.
13:00And so when Geroff gets good protection, and we haven't really seen C.G.
13:04Stroud with good protection. I agree. I'm probably over-indexing.
13:07I just can't get over that he had five fumbles in a playoff game.
13:11But you're right. That's what sticks with you. And that is part of the narrative for quarterbacks.
13:16Crumbled under the brightest lights in the last year.
13:18Yeah. To the point where you can't really get that out of your mouth.
13:23Got a podcast. But no, but overall, you're probably right.
13:25I'm probably over-indexing on that, DK, because the reality is if the Texans fix their O-line, which is not like some given.
13:32Just because you swap out the logs for other logs doesn't mean it'll be like the Bears getting a new O-line.
13:38They got new logs. Get everything right. So we basically have Stroud below guys like Drake May, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Jackson Dart, and Fernando Mendoza.
13:46Does that feel right? Then we have Stroud, who is above Cam Ward, Bryce Young.
13:50Does that feel right? I think the only quibble people might have is that he's below Fernando Mendoza, who hasn't played a snap in the NFL.
13:58Are we talking about a five-year window here? Is that what we decided?
14:01Yeah, I think about that. Yes. I have Mendoza.
14:04I think I have Mendoza lower than you guys.
14:07Yeah, it's kind of dumb. I would change that now.
14:10Yeah. But I think it's the type of thing where you're trying to balance situation and trajectory and age and skill set and things like that.
14:17I think we're probably looking at Fernando Mendoza with rose-colored glasses right now because he's in this situation with Clint Kubiak.
14:23As we should, though. Yeah. And I think that could be great.
14:27And he's a first overall pick. Expectations are pretty high for Fernando Mendoza.
14:31And in Dynasty, which is kind of like the hook, the way that we look at this, he has a lot of value.
14:37So I think higher value than Stroud. I think probably people would trade Stroud for Fernando Mendoza right now, or at least some people would.
14:45If you're on the Raiders, would you trade Fernando Mendoza for CJ Stroud?
14:48Probably not. Me neither. Yeah. So anyways, I think this is the fun to schedule.
14:53These are the parts that are fun, I think, is like, I don't know.
14:57Yeah. Who has more value over the next five years?
15:00I'd probably argue Fernando Mendoza does. I mean, Stroud might not be on the Texans next year.
15:05You know, like we don't. Yeah. Oh, he will.
15:07They love him there. He's staying on the Texans.
15:10You think if he shits his pants this season, they'd keep him?
15:13Yes. He got a haircut. Did you see that?
15:16He looks very good. Is he AI? Because I've fallen for too many Trevor Lawrence haircut AI photos.
15:21I think it's not AI. I think I saw him at a press conference where he cut off his hair.
15:27AI is really good with haircuts. He is really good with haircuts.
15:31I saw bald Aaron Rodgers the other day or buzz cut Rodgers.
15:34No, that was real. That was real? No, I don't know.
15:37I just fucking went through. I don't know. I don't know.
15:41Who knows? I did my own research. It was real.
15:43The other people that did not make the list, Kyle Pitts, Craig didn't even like acknowledge his existence.
15:49And then Travion Henderson is the player that I think we might most regret.
15:53Where if Travion Henderson is awesome. We didn't really have Travion Henderson on this list.
15:57He's right there. I know. Heifetz has Kyle Pitts 20 spots ahead of me.
16:01You have him 21st. I have him 40th. I kind of, maybe I'm stupid.
16:05I kept thinking about the five-year window and you were talking about tight end premium.
16:10This is where we kind of fucked up this segment where I'm like, are you getting point and a half per reception for a tight end?
16:17Because if so, yes. And if not, I should probably take him off this goddamn list.
16:22I just feel like I know what Kyle Pitts is.
16:25Like I, I, I, he is a solid player, but I, I feel like I really know who he is.
16:31And so that caps his upside. He's the siren song.
16:34I should have put wax in my ears. Okay, fine.
16:37Fuck Kyle Pitts. Uh, I'm glad he's off the list.
16:40And then I think we could start right here.
16:42DK, the number one, the 26th player on our top 26 is Brees Hall made the cut for the Jets, but Ken
16:49Walker, the Super Bowl MVP now with the Chiefs did not at 27.
16:52You guys have him high. I have, I, I, I was surprised by this.
16:56No, I have him super low. I'm very low.
16:59I don't even think Brees Hall should be close.
17:02Why? Because I don't think, I think. Craig hates Brees Hall.
17:05Well, I do hate Brees Hall one. I don't have faith in the Jets.
17:09We forget that that's the team he's on. I would have had Ken Walker above him.
17:14Who's on the fucking Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes. And Brees Hall is a good running back, but there's a lot of good running backs.
17:21And I don't feel that confident about him or his situation enough to, to make him a 26 under 26.
17:26Brees Hall, I'll say this. Brees Hall, I would probably rank.
17:30Like, you know, it's one of those things where when you're on the clock, if you're picking between Brees Hall and Kenneth
17:36Walker, I probably would, with my heart, pick Kenneth Walker.
17:39But Brees Hall, production-wise, has outproduced Kenneth Walker. I mean, if you look at, especially in the receiving game.
17:45I mean, the receiving game, which is obviously a massive part of fantasy.
17:48He has seasons with 76 catches and 57 catches.
17:51I mean, he is, he is putting up numbers as a receiver.
17:55He has that explosibility when he's healthy. And they obviously just re-signed him.
17:58If the team is going in the right direction, I can see the argument here.
18:03I think this is a fine one. I think he's still one of the more explosive and versatile running backs in the NFL.
18:09And that is, you know, maybe not like as high as some of these other guys that are older now, clearly.
18:16But I'd still say at his age, this is, I think this is the right pick.
18:20I think he's, he's up there in terms of the way that he can bring it, like what he can bring in the passing game, especially.
18:28Yeah, I think my ranking dragged him down to 26.
18:31You guys have him a little bit higher, but I don't disagree.
18:34This is the wrong place-ish where he should be.
18:37I just, I think in doing this ranking, I found I really valued the like team situation and fit and coach and quarterback.
18:44But you're also team like the Kansas City Chiefs should be, are great and can be fine with Mahomes coming back.
18:50So why, because why wouldn't you have Ken Walker higher?
18:53I'm just curious. Because like the only, my only issue with Ken Walker is I'm worried about the injuries.
18:58Because he, I mean, he has only had, he's never had 1100 rushing yards.
19:02He's been held back. But the DK's point about the receiving, he hasn't been the receiver in the past, but I don't
19:09think the Chiefs give Ken Walker whatever they gave him, $13 million a year.
19:13If they don't expect him to be a pass catcher, kind of three down back.
19:17Yeah. I mean, just can he hold up to it?
19:20Like health wise. I agree with all that. I mean, again, I don't have either of these guys near the top 26.
19:26I have Kenneth Walker one spot above Brees Hall, but very down low just because for all the reasons you just said, Ken Walker's health, all this stuff.
19:35But I would probably value the guy who just won the MVP, who's on the Chiefs now versus a running back of maybe a similar skill set.
19:42Who's on a Jets team that is probably going to lose their head coach and have another new regime come in, have
19:49a brand new quarterback coming next year. There's just way more uncertainty in my opinion.
19:53Well, speak of the devil, Garrett Wilson, we have as the 25th player on this list.
19:58And I didn't know. It's funny they're traveling together.
20:01I've never enjoyed having Garrett Wilson on my fantasy team.
20:03I don't know what to do with him. I think he's talented.
20:07I don't know if he's overrated. I don't know if he's underrated, but he happens to have just played with Aaron Rodgers,
20:13Tim Boyle, Zach Wilson, Terod Taylor, Mike White, Chris Streveler, Joe Flacco before he got.
20:18Dude, I just. Heifetz, you know how you picture you have like a certain picture of a player in your mind's eye?
20:24My picture, and I've said this before, is Garrett Wilson getting open quickly over the middle and Zach Wilson just chucking it over his head about five yards.
20:32That is my vision of Garrett Wilson. Minus him intercepting his own pass.
20:36Oh, that one's good. My contact photo in my head for Garrett Wilson is the one where he Zach Wilson threw a
20:43pick against the Patriots in the red zone with the game on the line.
20:47And Garrett Wilson like took his helmet off and started screaming and freaked out.
20:51And he wasn't mad he didn't get the ball.
20:53He was mad that he like should have won the game.
20:57They went like over five in the red zone.
20:59And he just flabbed out. Here's the positive for Garrett Wilson.
21:02Look, I think the talent is pretty apparent and clear the way he is able to run routes, get open, catch the
21:09ball, like make incredible high difficulty catches. His production's like been solid.
21:12A thousand yards in every season except for the one where he got hurt.
21:16Just grinding it out, though. Just like massive target or wrapping.
21:20Yeah, he can run after the catch, but a hundred percent like he's had to really eke his way to a thousand yards every year.
21:27It's just like, you know, dragging this this this Jets offense that doesn't score that doesn't score touchdowns down the field.
21:33I really my big hope with him. And obviously, this is the hope in Dynasty is that he can like connect with
21:40Gino's like Gino Smith and have him have chemistry because he just hasn't had chemistry with any quarterback that he's ever had at this point.
21:47Garrett Wilson's had some of the he's like the new Allen Robinson or slot in whatever quarterback has just been whatever wide
21:53receiver has just been really, really unlucky. If Garrett Wilson was on the bills this entire time, he might be like a
22:00he'd probably a first round pick every year in fantasy.
22:03Yeah, it does feel that way. Another Ohio State receiver that I don't want to do with Chris Olave, who I think I do underrate still.
22:10I think I over I had him lower than you guys.
22:13I dragged him down a little. He's probably better than this ranking.
22:17I don't think he's an elite receiver. I think he's a very good, very above average receiver.
22:22I do think I underrate Chris Olave in part because we try to look at like we talked about like a five
22:28year window like these guys over the next five years.
22:31I'm not gonna lie. Chris Olave is the only one where I'm like, yeah, like two concussions, two more concussions.
22:37Maybe he retires or something. Yeah, but I also underrate how good Chris Olave is.
22:41And he isn't just an incredible deep ball tracker.
22:44And he was way better down the stretch. And it wasn't entirely like garbage time for this.
22:49DK, you're way higher on him than us. You have him 16th.
22:52Why do you love him so much? Well, I think there is some stability with the situation.
22:57Obviously, the concussion thing is a concern. But I mean, if you look at his numbers, obviously three 1000 yard seasons out of four seasons.
23:05Again, the one that he didn't get 1000 yards is when he got hurt.
23:09And he's like, he's a playmaker that can make plays at all three levels.
23:13He's really good deep. He can get over the top score touchdowns.
23:16He any and I think he's underrated as a short and intermediate guy, too.
23:20And so I looked I was just looking at the situation.
23:24I'm like the coach and quarterback for the Saints right now.
23:27It feels like it's going in the right direction with Chuck and Kevin Moore.
23:31There's a situation there where they run a ton of plays.
23:34They're very kind of uptempo. So it's the offensive environment you want.
23:38So that's kind of why I ranked him a little bit higher.
23:41I think it's very interesting and funny that in our rankings here, in our composite rankings, Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson are
23:48right next to each other because when they were coming out in the draft, that was like the big argument.
23:53Who's better, Chris Olave or Garrett Wilson? I think four years later, we don't really know.
23:58But you know what's weird? I was just thinking this because we have them back to back.
24:03You're right. Or three years. No, four years later.
24:06Olave and Garrett Wilson have way more. They've had the same arc to their careers.
24:10And if you look at their stats, it's crazy similar.
24:13They've both basically played three full seasons and had one season that was cut short, like halfway through.
24:18So there's so basically the same amount of game, same arc.
24:21Their stats through four years after again, going to Ohio State, being drafted 10th and 11th in the same draft.
24:27Their stats after four years are almost identical. Chris Olave is one more touchdown than Garrett Wilson does through four years.
24:33Chris Olave is like less than 100 more yards.
24:36Like he has 3,700-ish yards to 3,600-ish yards. They have like almost the same amount of catches.
24:41Like the whole everything about it is like oddly similar.
24:44It's so funny. Even if they're different players. I don't know.
24:47So people who were having that debate four years ago still don't know the winner of that because I think they're both
24:54kind of – But I would rank a lot higher just because of the situation.
24:58They've both had 1,042 yards in a season one time.
25:01That's just oddly specific. And they both kind of came out the gate quick.
25:05Yeah. The second they were drafted, a month into their rookie seasons, you're like, oh yeah, both of those guys are good.
25:11Yeah. But then they haven't actually improved on the stock since then.
25:15No. Yeah, it's weird. The trajectory plateaued almost immediately.
25:17Okay. The 23rd, another guy that I just don't know what to do with.
25:22Quinshawn Judkins running back for the Browns. Everything about him in college, in the NFL, on the field, he's looked great, but
25:28he broke his leg and he's on the Browns.
25:31And his quarterback is Deshaun Watson. I didn't know where to put him.
25:34This is projection. This is a young running back who has shown a ton of potential.
25:39And that's like catnip for dynasty players, I feel like.
25:42And he has sort of the skill set to be an every down running back.
25:46And he doesn't have a ton of competition, I think, on that team in terms of the backs there.
25:52So, yeah. I thought he was quietly one of the best rookie players in the NFL last year.
25:57And he just was kind of disappeared by the Browns.
26:00But because he dislocated his ankle and fractured his fibula, and it was a pretty brutal injury.
26:05But I thought he looked shockingly good for like the first 10 weeks of the season, despite the team he was on.
26:11So this year maybe is it, you know, we'll see how healthy he is.
26:16But long term, depending on what you think about the Browns, I think talent wise, Quinn John is really good.
26:21Yes. I think he's the Craig. You always talk about it.
26:25It's like, I've seen enough. I feel like I've seen enough with him.
26:28Hopefully he comes back from the injury clean. And the leg injury is the weird thing.
26:33We saw enough and then he broke his at a compound.
26:36It's really tough. Really bad injury. But I think the talent was very apparent.
26:40And, you know, it's just it's hard to find guys that are that age and with that skill set, with that height,
26:47weight, speed and production at the at the running back position.
26:50And I think that's why he gets pushed up here.
26:53Next one here, 22. Again, we're doing the 26 players under 26.
26:5626 or under? No, we didn't count 26. No, it's 25 and under.
27:00So under 26. 26 under 26. 26 under 26.
27:03Yeah. Colston Loveland tight end for the Bears. You guys have him higher than me.
27:07I don't know what I'm missing with Colston Loveland.
27:10I think Colston Loveland is really good. I'm in.
27:12He's really good. I am a little. I feel off guard that like Colston Loveland.
27:17I didn't realize we're already saying Colston Loveland is better than Garrett Wilson.
27:21Yeah. This is I think again, we're it's not in a vacuum, though.
27:24Like Colston Loveland's on the Bears. Of course, Garrett Wilson's on the Jets.
27:28And that means a lot to me. Yeah, I think the other thing is we kind of looked at this from a fantasy point of view.
27:36The scarcity of elite tight ends, I think, does factor in here.
27:39If you look at what he did, especially at the second half of the year, this is and this is something that can be very dangerous.
27:47But we if you look at splits during a season, especially a rookie season, and you can like extrapolate those going forward.
27:53Colston Loveland from week nine on. So his final 10 games of the season, he was the tight end five in his
28:00597 yards in that stretch was second only to Trey McBride among tight ends.
28:04He was like, who's the number one tight end in that stretch?
28:07DK. Trey McBride. Who's two? Wait, what? At what?
28:10My point is, my point is, why is Colston Loveland having three good games the end of the season means something?
28:16But Kyle Pitts being like the best tight end down the stretch.
28:20We're like, well, fuck that guy. That doesn't mean anything.
28:23Because of what we've seen over a five year career.
28:25I think it again, it's projecting forward. And this is what a huge part of Dynasty is.
28:30It took Kyle Pitts five years to have four good games.
28:34Yeah. And it took Colston Loveland one year. Also, I do feel like, don't just say he had a couple of good
28:40games at the end of the year. Like his games that he had were like historic.
28:45It was insane what he was doing. I can go further.
28:48Ryan Heath at Fantasy Points wrote about this. Starting in week 15, basically the Bears were running not a lot of multiple tight ends in the field.
28:56They switched. They started running a lot more tight ends in the field.
29:00When that happened from week 15 on through the playoffs, because remember, Loveland was incredible in the playoffs.
29:05Wild card game against the Packers. He had 15 targets, 137 yards.
29:08From week 15 on, Colston Loveland averaged 16 fantasy points per game, which would be the most by a rookie tight end ever.
29:15And that is when the Bears started kind of switching their personnel packages.
29:19It's only four or five games, so I get it.
29:22I'm not trying to be anti. It's weird because I like Colston Loveland a lot.
29:26I loved him coming out of the draft. I think he's a really good player.
29:31I think he's good. I'm not trying to be anti-Colston Loveland.
29:34Forget Dynasty. Forget what he could be. Redraft this year.
29:37Just regular fantasy football. He's like the number three tight end.
29:40He's the top 50 pick. Is basically taking this like really three game stretch where it's really the Niners in week 15,
29:46the Lions week 16, and then the Packers game in the playoffs.
29:50And being like, well, he'll do that again. That's what he has to do.
29:54Well, no, it's more than that. Because like I said, the final 10 games of the season, he had the second most yards at a tight end.
30:02He was averaging 9.1 air yards per attempt in that stretch, which is basically tells you he was being used as a downfield receiver, essentially de facto receiver.
30:10Yeah. That's 10 games. That's the final 10 games of the season.
30:13I watched all those games. I'm telling you the average is being brought up by those games.
30:18And I'm not trying to diminish what he did, but the context, I think, is those teams, all their linebackers were fucking decimated.
30:25The Niners linebackers were decimated. The Lions linebackers, that defense was destroyed.
30:29And the Packers, like again, Colston Loveland will tell him literally after the Packers game, he was like, it was weird.
30:35I kept running sail routes. They couldn't cover me.
30:37I don't know what happened. But like that was just a weird quirk of the Packers defense.
30:42And I'm not trying to say he's not good, but like those three games, I don't think are replicable.
30:48It was three defenses that fucking fell apart and ran out of people over and over and over again.
30:53And I just think it's odd. I guess it's weird to think that me being like, I think Colston Loveland should be
31:00like the sixth best tight end in fantasy this year.
31:03I kind of thought that would be like a normal thing to say.
31:07And I'm coming out as very low on him, which has been a surprise as I started your rankings, is that like
31:13ranking Colston Loveland sixth is like, I'm now the lowest person on him, which I just am shocked by.
31:18I feel like saying third and saying tier two sound very different, but I feel like there's a clear tier one of Trey McBride and Brock Bowers.
31:26And then the next tier is Colston Loveland, Tyler Warren, Tucker Craft, whether you want to put like Harold Fannin and Kyle Pitts.
31:33I think they're all in the same tier. Sure, Loveland might be towards the top of it for us and the bottom of it for you.
31:41But I think he's we all can agree. That's the tier he's supposed to be.
31:45And I'm open minded. Like, maybe I'm wrong. Like, also, I don't want to be out on the Bears.
31:51I think the Bears are a team that on the surface, everyone's going to be like, well, they had all these turnover luck.
31:57They had all these comebacks. They're going to be bad.
32:00And I'm like, yeah, don't. But I also think Caleb's going to be the leap is going to happen.
32:06And it's actually going to make up for a lot of that.
32:09So I'm not trying to be out of that either.
32:12So when games like that happen, especially late in the year, you tend to stick to those things.
32:17But at the same time, I mean, we're talking about a guy who was a top 10 pick.
32:23And a lot of people were really high on him as a route runner and a pass catcher.
32:28And so it's like the production and the tape is matching the expectation of what we thought going into it.
32:34So it's easy. It's easy to get really excited about this.
32:37I understand what you're saying, actually, in terms of some of the reasons you might be a little bit nervous about this.
32:43Like Samuel Porta had kind of a down second year after being really, really good as a rookie.
32:49And so there is kind of that fear if Roma Doonsay starts siphoning off a bunch of his targets in the passing game.
32:55DJ Moore is gone. Or Luther Burden. Yeah. And so basically, like, how does it how does the Luther Burden Roma Doonsay Colson Loveland trio pan out?
33:03Is it like mostly the receivers and then a little bit of Colson Loveland or is Colson Loveland like the number one target in this game?
33:11We'll kind of figure that out. Yeah. But I think it's like this is the projection game.
33:16Maybe we're getting a little bit excited, but I'd rather be a little bit high and get him than be a little
33:22bit low and potentially miss out on a Bears ascension.
33:25I also just think like, I don't know, what other tight ends are you like absolutely in love with after?
33:31It's like, how much do you want? You want Samuel Porta?
33:34You want Kyle Pitts? You want Jake Ferguson? You want Harold Fannin?
33:38Like, do any of those guys feel better to you than Colson Loveland?
33:41No, I mean, even Tyler Warren. I'm surprised that there's like a 20 or 25 pick difference.
33:46I mean, to put a number on it, Kyle Pitts is going 40 spots later than Colson Loveland, which I didn't think would happen.
33:53But also, I hate him. So we'll see. Anyway.
33:56There's also something to be said about a rookie tight end just doing that as a rookie and getting it.
34:02I mean, it takes a long time sometimes for tight ends.
34:05Look at fucking Kyle Pitts. I was going to say, look at McBride.
34:09He didn't do anything as a rookie. So it's like, damn, he did this in December of his first season.
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35:51I find myself drawn to these guys that are like, we're really good and then had a dip and now we're low.
35:58So for example, the next guy here is 21.
36:00The 21st player we have here is Lad McConkie, the receiver for the Chargers, who I increasingly kind of feel like is
36:07going to be one of my people this year because, again, talk about performances.
36:11He had almost 200 receiving yards in the playoffs against the Texans defense that I think that performance is aged like wine.
36:17And then last year, Lad McConkie got the shit beat out of him like everyone else in the Chargers.
36:23Not just the offensive line, but like Lad McConkie.
36:25He just was hurt wire to wire. Like he had a foot injury.
36:29He had a calf issue. He had something with his arm.
36:32Like he just had like four different nagging injuries that just like sapped him all year.
36:37And I just think frankly that and a disappointing Chargers season and also the fact that like, I don't know, people, he's white.
36:44And therefore, I think people like underrate that Lad McConkie's athletic comps are like Garrett Wilson that like, I don't know.
36:50I think he's Lad McConkie is the guy that could be in that like top six, top seven receiving yards next year
36:56with Mike McDaniels, the Chargers offensive coordinator and health is the issue.
37:00But I'm like, man, you have everything you want with Lad McConkie.
37:03And I don't know. I think he's phenomenal. The lad thing is tough.
37:07I don't know what to do with him. You know what I mean?
37:11It's one of those things where I think I believe what I saw as a rookie and I believe he has potential
37:17to be a top end, top 10 type receiver in fantasy.
37:21But it's definitely not encouraging. Kind of what happened like last year, Quentin Johnston, like through a huge wrench in his fantasy
37:27production and Keenan Allen, it's like 30 something years old now through a huge wrench in it.
37:32And if it's, if he's that fragile as a receiver, I'm a little bit worried going forward.
37:37Fragile like weak? Well, the fragility both in health and fragility and how many good teammates he has.
37:42You know what I mean? Um, but that being said, I think I'm, I generally, I land on the, I think this guy's really good.
37:50I think he's super explosive for, um, you know, for a white guy, essentially he's, he's like super twitchy, super, uh, deceptively explosive.
37:56He is deceptively fast. He's one of the fastest receivers, one of the most quick, uh, explosive receivers in the NFL.
38:02Um, and I, I do believe that that's going to end up panning out for him over the long term, but yeah.
38:09Deceptively elite really. At the end of the day, it is, it was worrisome what, what he did last year, but yeah.
38:15I mean, look, you quirked up white boy. You know what I mean?
38:19You gotta be into that. Mina, Mina crimes had this stat that 2024 lad McConkey and man coverage was fourth in the
38:25entire NFL in yards per route run. Quirked up.
38:28You saying quirked or torqued? Quirked up. Quirked up white boy.
38:31Quirked up. What's that? I don't know. I've never heard torqued up.
38:35Torked up. That to me, well, not for describing a football player, but.
38:39Why not? Cause that to me, I think of an erection when I think of torqued.
38:43Yeah, he's got you torqued up. Oh, he's got, he's got, he's got you torqued up.
38:48I thought you were saying he was torqued up.
38:51But maybe both. I'm going to bet on lad.
38:53You'd probably tell. Some of these guys take. I'm going to bet on lad again.
38:58Some of these guys take Viagra before games to get the blood flowing.
39:01Oh yeah, that's right. Is that right? Yes. Yeah.
39:04Also, I don't know. When you look at lad, I'm like, everything around him is what you want.
39:09He has a strong team infrastructure. He has the play calling you want with Mike McDaniel.
39:14He has a great quarterback consistency with Justin Herbert.
39:16And he has like, and we've already seen it.
39:19His rookie year, he was great. Like every, and there's no dominant pass catcher around him.
39:24Like it kind of is everything you would want.
39:26In a fantasy asset. I think he just had a down year.
39:30It's how you overall look at the charges too.
39:33Cause the next player we have here is O'Marrion Hampton, the running back for the charges.
39:37And this one, is this, are we just given O'Marrion Hampton a breakfast ball for his rookie season?
39:42He's a rookie running back that came in and had eight left tackles and then broke his ankle.
39:48Yeah. Breakfast ball. A lot of the underlying metrics about O'Marrion Hampton are not good.
39:52Um, even when he was on the field and yet DK, the same thing we were talking about with Quinchon.
39:58There were moments where I was like, I don't know.
40:01I just think this guy's good. And yeah, yeah.
40:03I don't know how much of a split he's going to see with the other running backs on the chargers.
40:09And maybe he won't be like a full-time guy and it'll be more of a split with McDaniel.
40:15But I, I'm still willing to rely on like the scouting coming out of college and what I thought he was going to be.
40:22And I'm not going to, I'm not going to invest too much worry in what I saw out of like the weird
40:28shitty chargers offensive line offense before he got hurt.
40:31Yeah. I agree. Hampton. I don't know what part of last season, the data should matter to me.
40:36I don't think any single element of it should matter at all, to be honest.
40:40Like it's not representative, including the first month. I don't think the first month for a running back should matter.
40:46I mean, I just was trying to think like, who's the last rookie running back that actually popped immediately the way you want?
40:53Like Jameer Gibbs, everyone's upset at his usage. Dijon Robinson, people were upset.
40:57Even Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey. I mean, Quintin' Judkins, honestly, was pretty good for the first month.
41:02But yeah. Yeah. Judkins was good. But I'm like, even McCaffrey.
41:05I don't, things that get memory hold. McCaffrey was, he was a top 10 pick in the draft.
41:10McCaffrey's rushing yards, his first six games were 47, 10, 16, 16, 7, and 8.
41:14Like McCaffrey had multiple games with like, like six straight games with under 20 rushing yards.
41:19Yeah. You know what I mean? He was a top 10 pick.
41:23I'm like, I don't know. The first month it's tough to get going with NFL blocking.
41:27And then the charges O-line fell apart. But yeah.
41:30I mean, there's stuff. If you, you look at like his success rate, yards after contact per attempt, yards per carry, explosive
41:36rate, all that stuff is very, very low. But again, I'm like.
41:40But their offensive line sucked. What was he supposed to do?
41:43Like he's trying to learn how to read NFL blocks.
41:46The charges had eight left tackles in 17 games.
41:49There's a little bit of the gentty thing happening with Hampton.
41:52You forget that he was a highly lauded first round running back with great size, great speed.
41:57There's times where he would get going. I'm like, ooh, you know what I mean?
42:01Like there was a few plays here and there.
42:04Obviously, it wasn't as much as you'd love to see, but there was a few plays where like, man, when he gets
42:10going, he looks like a runaway beer truck. He's kind of got the Derrick Henry style of running back where if he gets two steps, then he's off.
42:18But if he doesn't, he's not very good at like making guys miss the backfield, if that makes sense.
42:24And I think, you know, bring in Mike McDaniels run scheme.
42:27I think he's going to be awesome. He also quietly had 32 catches in nine games.
42:32I don't know if that's going to project into next year with Keaton Mitchell, maybe stealing some of those.
42:37But like that translates to like 60 catches in a season, which is obviously not nothing in fantasy.
42:43That's pretty big. So I don't know. I'm still very bullish on Hampton when he's healthy, if they get their offensive line healthy.
42:49And also in this offense, they could score. He could score a ton of touchdowns if they get if they get their offense kind of going.
42:57If the charges are healthy, seems to be something we'll just say like 10,000.
43:01Right. We should just decide as a show if they will be or won't be and then just make all our decisions off that.
43:08I know. I think I'm going to do it all.
43:11I'm going to invest everything in the charges once again.
43:14We should make our rankings this year should change.
43:16We should make people fill out like a form.
43:19We should make them do a Myers-Briggs. Like, do you think the charge will be healthy or not?
43:24And then like, if no, we just all those guys drop like five rounds.
43:2819. We have again, the 26 players under 26.
43:31We have Emeka Ibuka 19. Honestly, it's same to me as Ladd.
43:34I just feel like Ibuka started hot, was amazing.
43:37Got hurt, played through it. Everyone was mad at him.
43:40Well, and not only did he get hurt, Baker Mayfield got super hurt and had a really bad shoulder injury and was the Bucs offense completely bottomed out.
43:48I'm going to be so in on Ibuka. The same way you feel about Ladd, I am going to be drafting him
43:55much higher than he probably should be. Like you said, wide receiver three through the first five weeks of the season.
44:01Rookie, as a rookie, he just came out the gate.
44:04Wide receiver three for the first five weeks of the season.
44:07Three of those games were with Mike Evans. Obviously, now Mike Evans is gone.
44:11There's a new offensive coordinator in there in Zach Robinson, who was the offensive coordinator for Atlanta last year.
44:16Zach Robinson was in LA with the Rams for four years during the Cooper Cup thing.
44:21He was recently quoted saying that Ibuka reminds him of Cooper Cup in terms of the way his brain works, the way
44:28that he analyzes the game, the way that he prepares his natural instincts.
44:31And the thing about Ibuka, when you looked at what he did last year, he was kind of just like lined up
44:38outside and just had to beat guys one-on-one. Very little motion.
44:41And the way Zach Robinson does things, he's talking about getting Ibuka moving around the field a ton more.
44:47Love that. What we saw from him healthy for the first five weeks of the season, getting the guy in motion more,
44:53moving him around the field more, plus Mike Evans is gone.
44:56You assume Baker Mayfield is healthy. Like, I think there's a chance that Emeka Ibuka is just like the wide receiver four all season.
45:03And he's like a second or third round pick.
45:06I love this. And I think the other thing to think about, too, in this exercise is it's like a five-year window.
45:12Chris Godwin's not going to be around that much longer either.
45:15And so there is a runway here where Ibuka is the clear-cut number one on a team.
45:20You got like Jalen McMillan, Tez Johnson, a handful of other guys that didn't just draft Ted Hurst.
45:26But I think he is the clear-cut lead guy in this offense.
45:29And it seems like they're going to extend Baker.
45:32It seems like there's some offensive stability here. They always seem to field a good offensive line.
45:37And yeah, I just trust the Bucs to continue making this offense work.
45:41And Ibuka is going to be the guy. Also, by the way, it's May 28th.
45:45I don't know if you guys saw this. He made the most freakish catch I've ever seen in my life at training camp yesterday, I believe.
45:53Pass over the middle, full extension behind him, spinning in the air, grabs it with one hand, lands, keeps running like it was nothing, scores a touchdown.
46:00I'm like, Jesus, what is that? That is maybe the greatest catch I've ever seen.
46:05When you know, you know. This was a stat from our guy, Ben Solak.
46:09Ibuka became one of nine wide receivers to have 400 yards in his first five career games since the year 2000.
46:15Here are the other eight guys. Again, this is at least 400 yards in your first five career games.
46:21Puka, Anquan Bolden, Steph Diggs, Jamar Chase, CeeDee Lamb, Malik Neighbors, Terry McLaurin, and A.J.
46:25Green. So not a single miss. No. And that's the thing.
46:28His absolute floor is like Terry McLaurin, Steph Diggs.
46:31And I still think he hurt his quad. That is bad for receiver.
46:35And he didn't want to come out because Baker was playing through injury and the offensive line was getting hurt.
46:40I don't think he wanted to miss time. So he played through it.
46:44It wasn't as good. And people are going to talk about, well, his decline or whatever his numbers.
46:49I'm like, yeah. Sometimes the data set is going to be influenced by literally playing through an injury.
46:55The next one. Speaking of people who started hot and fell off a cliff.
46:5918 now. 18 is Tyler Warren. They tied in from the Colts, who also started incredibly hot and looked like the best
47:05pick you could have made in fantasy because Tyler Warren was basically the number one receiver in the Colts.
47:11And then Daniel Jones got hurt. Jonathan Taylor went off.
47:14And Tyler Warren kind of went off a cliff.
47:16This is just a play. I just thought Tyler Warren would be ranked ahead of Colson Loveland entering this year.
47:22But I get it. I think it's better than Daniel Jones.
47:25But just the way these two ended their seasons was like a polar opposite.
47:29Good old recency bias. You never pick up where you left off.
47:33Really, really hot. Tyler Warren trailed off hardcore. But that being said, the offense has really opened up to a point where
47:39you're like, man, Warren could have 100 catches this year.
47:42Like legitimately, Michael Pittman's gone. I feel like Warren's going to do a lot of what Michael Pittman was doing for them.
47:49He's been there scheming him up looks. I think he's going to be on the field all the time running a ton of routes.
47:56As much as it's boring. It's like being on the field a lot matters a lot for tight ends in this day and age in terms of fantasy.
48:04And so, yeah, I think the sky's the limit with this guy.
48:07It is a little concerning. He tapered off so badly at the end of last year.
48:12But I do think the trajectory. 800 yards is a rookie.
48:15But is it concerning? In all seriousness, I'm not trying to be facetious.
48:19I mean, he scored. He scored double digit points in half PPR one time over his final.
48:24Yeah, but like, but that's Daniel Jones tore his Achilles.
48:27And they brought Philip Rivers out. If you're not concerned about that, that's fine.
48:31I understand. No, but I'm just saying it's not his fault.
48:34It was kind of a bummer. It was a bummer for people who had Warren and early on in the year was like, this guy's a league winner.
48:42Huge bummer. No, it was a bummer. Before the season, he was like, not very useful.
48:47Yeah, it was a bummer if you had him.
48:50I'm just saying, I don't think it's a reflection of how he was playing.
48:54No. I just like, it's so funny. If you go to Philip Rivers' pro football reference page, it actually says 21, 22, 2023, and 2024.
49:01It says, did not play retired St. Michael Catholic high school head coach.
49:05It says that for four straight years. And then it says Colts, three games played in 2025.
49:10And I'm like, yeah, it would be disingenuous if I was all in on Jonathan Taylor because of what he was able
49:16to do with the Colts and not be in on Tyler Warren.
49:20Like, I'm just looking at the first 10 games is what all of these guys are capable of and not the Philip Rivers era.
49:27I keep forgetting that happened. It felt like a dream.
49:30Did I dream that? Did 36-year-old Philip Rivers, or how old is he actually, 40-something?
49:34Not 36. No, 44. He retired at 39 the first time.
49:37He was 44-year-old. 46-year-old Philip Rivers. But yeah, no, I generally agree.
49:41I'm still very bullish on Tyler Warren. But if you're discussing, I feel like Loveland and Warren are going to have the
49:47same type of career arc where people are following them, as we were just talking about with Garrett Wilson and Olave, where
49:54it's like they're always going to compare these two.
49:56Because a lot of people had strong opinions who was the better prospect coming in.
50:01But yeah, it's going to be very interesting to see where these guys go.
50:05I like them both, honestly. The next guy we have is number 17 on 2,626.
50:09It's Fernando Mendoza, quarterback for the Raiders. I didn't know where to put him.
50:13I probably ranked him way too high. Although, Craig, you have him really high.
50:17But I'm like, honestly, I almost want to take this back.
50:20I feel like he's a rookie. I don't know, man.
50:23He could be really good. Maybe he's discount Joe Burrow.
50:26But also, maybe this is stupid. It's hard to rank quarterbacks with other players, to be honest.
50:31I'm just like, this is the first overall pick.
50:34And he's on a team with a play color that I think is really good.
50:38Yeah. With good still players. That is basically where I am too.
50:42Also, I think he feels very mature for a rookie and poised and has some of the intangible traits that you're really looking for.
50:49In addition to being a very accurate quarterback, big guy.
50:52I totally agree. And I know this is the trap teams fall into all the times.
50:56But I am unusually optimistic that Fernando Mendoza will adjust to the NFL really quickly.
51:01Not like week one or whatever, but over a two to three year period.
51:05The fact that he's with Clint Kubiak and the way that is a detail oriented system.
51:09I really trust Kubiak in this. It's like playing a big part for me.
51:14They won a Super Bowl with Sam fucking Darnold.
51:16Literally, the point is you take the decision making out of it.
51:20You make everything zeros or ones, binary decisions, and you make people be able to play as fast as possible.
51:25I think Mendoza is going to be really good at that, man.
51:29And I think he's going to be able to learn and pick it up.
51:33I do think he'll be really. I think the Raiders are going to be good.
51:37I don't know about this season, but I do think the Raiders will be good over this like five.
51:43They need some receivers. I mean, Bowers is awesome.
51:46We'll get to that. But that's easy, though. They need some receivers.
51:49I feel like receivers, the easiest thing to add at the end of it.
51:53I feel like try to trade for receiver. Like it's doable.
51:56Like you try to add a fucking tackle. You try to add defensive tackle or defensive end.
52:01You got it. It's so hard. It's like receiver.
52:04It's like, man, teams trip and fall into like three starting receivers.
52:07I agree. I probably I have him 10th, which is ridiculously high, but I'm kind of just like I get it.
52:14I don't know. What if in a year he's just like awesome and you'd be so upset that you didn't just take
52:20the number one overall pick with a great play caller?
52:23Yeah. Number 16. We have George Pickens, the receiver for the Cowboys, which is funny because I talk about guys.
52:29I didn't know what to do with. I know.
52:31I know. Talk about just pure talent. I'm like, I'd have him higher.
52:35And if you talk about someone who can reliably and consistently produce over a long period of time.
52:40Right. For the next five years. I'm like Pickens in five years.
52:44Where the fuck is he going to be in five years?
52:47I don't know. I think if you showed someone Pickens is highlight reel.
52:51They'd never heard of George Pickens. They don't know anything about him from a personality point of view or the fact that
52:57he was traded away from his team. If you just showed him his highlight reel from last year and his stats, he outscored.
53:04He outproduced CD lamb, not just overall, but in yards per game.
53:08Yeah. And people would be like, oh, so this is like a top three receiver in the NFL or what?
53:13100%. He's the highlight king right now. He was like that at Georgia too.
53:18He was unbelievable. Even he tours ACL in college.
53:20And before that, I was like, this is the best.
53:23I couldn't get over it. And then you can show him that picture.
53:27The Heifetz recreated during the draft where he's staring at the TV and you're like, okay, I don't really know what to expect.
53:34I love that photo. That makes me like him more.
53:37The Cowboys are also like treading down. They're going down this path where, you know, it's going to get messy with him.
53:43And so speaking of, you know, he kind of feels like a Raider, doesn't he?
53:47Dude. Oh, yeah. You want to talk 2027? I actually kind of like that.
53:51Yeah. He can be he can be like the next Steph Diggs where he's like plays on like five teams, but he's good for all of them.
53:59Who knows what? What will I wonder if he's I wonder if he's signed with a team between us recording.
54:05I know. Why isn't he on the like, why aren't the chief signing Steph Diggs right now?
54:10I well, there's some reasons, Craig. Are there for the Kansas City Chiefs?
54:14That seems to not be an issue. That's fair.
54:16Rasheed Rice and Tyree Kill did pretty well. Yeah.
54:19Fair. Also, I believe wasn't Steph Diggs. He was declared innocent.
54:22Yes. In his trial. So, yeah. So do do with that what you will.
54:26But the chiefs historically have not really had a Kareem Hunt.
54:30Well, I mean, that's like they actually cut him for four years, but.
54:33And then he was back on the team for how many?
54:37Yeah. I think what I would have picked. It's just point lands.
54:40And it's true. Tyree Kill. Rasheed Rice, Kareem Hunt.
54:43Yeah. The chiefs do not seem to have a high bar when it comes to character stuff.
54:48Yeah. Number 18 here. We have Ted Aronio McMillan, the receiver for the Panthers.
54:52Craig's the lowest on him of us, which I was shocked by.
54:55And I'm sure he's ashamed of. Okay. But you're doing that thing.
54:59You're like Tucker Carlson. We're three off. It's not like I'm 15.
55:02We're all very similar. Craig, why do you fucking hate him so much?
55:06You hate Ted Aronio McMillan. Yeah, I guess the way things fell, I perhaps am a little bit higher on some quarterbacks than you.
55:13And that's why he's a little bit lower. I love Ted.
55:16I think he's great. I think this is around the right spot.
55:20Yeah. Another guy who it was pretty apparent immediately that he is going to be good in the NFL.
55:25You know what I mean? And everything that you hear about him, he, I think that was some of the worries coming
55:32in was like his work ethic and his focus and all that didn't really seem like that wasn't an issue at all.
55:38Everything you've heard about him so far is that he's been great.
55:42Over a thousand yards as a rookie, 70 catches.
55:44He's already the wide receiver one on that team.
55:47He's exactly what you want as a first pick receiver for a struggling quarterback.
55:51And I think everything that he did in year one was really encouraging.
55:55I think he will be a really nice rock solid second wide receiver on your fantasy team next year.
56:00Yeah. I think McMillan is a good example of, I think, a player with a gap between public perception and real life will close soon.
56:08And there are a bunch of players that I'm always like, if man, if they were on the Jets, they'd be so
56:14much more famous, even though the Jets are annoying, like the Jets suck.
56:18But the media market, like I always said this about Levante David, the linebacker for the Bucks just retired.
56:23Like he'd be all fame if he's on the Jets.
56:26If Ted Rowe and McMillan had just made some of the plays he'd made on the Jets instead of like the Carolina
56:33Panthers last year, I really do think he would be much more famous.
56:37But I think it's going to come from this year.
56:39The number 14 and the last player today for the 2626 next week's episode, we're going to have the top 13.
56:46Last play today. We have Devon HN. Running back for the Miami Dolphins.
56:49Another player I didn't know what to do with because he's amazing.
56:53He's very hard to rank. The team sucks. What are the Dolphins next five years?
56:57They're like totally rebuilding. They're starting from scratch. They have Malik Willis, a quarterback.
57:01We're like, that could work. That could be a disaster.
57:04He could get benched halfway through. He could play all three years in the deal.
57:09I have no idea to with Miami next year.
57:11I don't know what to do with talented running backs and shitty teams.
57:15We have Preece Hall all the way back there.
57:18Like I really was struggled with this one. And I went with talent, but I feel maybe dumb.
57:23Yeah. Talent is, you know, he's. Pure electricity as a running back.
57:26And he was really, really effective in the past.
57:29You have to do the thing. I love when those cars go by.
57:33Yeah, he's he's fucking fun to watch. But I think from a usage point of view, there's some real worry here because
57:39Malik Willis is a quarterback who typically would take off and scramble.
57:43I think it or at least that's the archetype of quarterback that he is.
57:47He's a mobile quarterback who will scramble rather than dump the ball off to to HN, which is a big part of what they did last year.
57:55Get rid of the ball quickly with two 67 catches last year, which is really, really good, obviously.
58:00But that being said, like he's still a really good runner.
58:03He had he was first in the NFL and rushes of 10 plus yards.
58:07He was second only Derek Henry and rushes of 20 plus yards.
58:11So he's a big play creator. I don't know what to make of this offense.
58:15I don't know what to make of what how they're going to use him in the offense.
58:20I don't know what to make of the quarterback.
58:23It's good that he was signed to the long term because that provides some stability from like a dynasty point of view.
58:29But there's a lot of volatility here going forward.
58:32I have a little lower than y'all. I have met 21 because Mike McDaniels is gone.
58:37Yeah. And there's something always hasn't felt right about HN to me.
58:40I can never draft him. I don't know what it is.
58:43I'm always worried that like the size. There is something in me that thinks it's a fluke.
58:48But I know that's not true. And I know he's really talented and very good.
58:53But he's had one season with over a thousand yards rushing.
58:56And the Mike McDaniel thing, I think, could not be overstated.
58:59And I'm a little worried Malik neighbors in this new offense and the team is going to be really bad.
59:05I'm just it's like, I don't know, two, three years from now, maybe the Dolphins get better.
59:10But this is a team that is fully, fully rebuilding.
59:13There's a chance he already peaked. The rebuild's weird.
59:15And it's weird because HN's really fast. But he's not just fast.
59:19Like HN sets up blocks really well. Like I think that he has like you don't just be fast to be an NFL running back with what?
59:27He's 35 touchdowns or whatever in three seasons. Like, I mean, that's a lot.
59:31You don't just get that fast. Like he actually has vision.
59:34He's able to set up blocks, which is frankly why a lot of running backs don't make it in the NFL.
59:40They're not able to set up locks. The flip side is what DK was saying, which was a lot of what HN
59:47was doing is it's not just the explosiveness and having big plays.
59:50It's you end up getting fantasy points in real life with like goal line work and actually be able to convert into touchdowns.
59:57But the other one is the receiving because, again, the.
60:00Participation trophy culture of point per reception scoring is when you have Tua is your quarterback and Tua is just getting the
60:06ball out in one and a half seconds or two seconds every play.
60:10It's going to HN. And so what that led to is HN wasn't just the explosive player, but he led all basically
60:16it was him and Camara for all running backs for the last three years in like catches and targets and receiving yards
60:23and receiving touchdowns as DK was saying. And so if Malik Willis is like, well, I could just get the six yards myself right now.
60:30Now, if HN is no longer like leading all running backs in all receiving categories, honestly, Craig's probably right.
60:36He's probably ranked too high here. But man, is he fun to watch.
60:39Man, he's fast. It's fucking so fast. Genuine 99 in like an actual 99 in Madden.
60:44Yeah. Wow. That was a good list. It was fun to talk about these players.
60:48The NFL has a lot of exciting young players in it.
60:52Does feel like we're in a good place. All these guys are very fun.
60:56I mean, the rookie class last year was great.
60:58Like there are so many fun people. I mean, honestly, I feel like tight end is fully back after we had Bowers,
61:05Loveland and Ibuka, just like, or not Ibuka and Warren just burst onto the scene.
61:09A lot of the quarterbacks have hit in the last few years.
61:13It does feel like we're in a good spot.
61:15Yeah. There's been a rejuvenation, especially at tight end.
61:18And I feel bad yelling about Colson Loveland because I like him a lot.
61:22Well, we're just, we're, we're, we're splitting hairs on a lot of this stuff.
61:26Yeah. Really? No, no, I'm way lower on Tedderola McMillan than you guys.
61:30You should just be ashamed. Craig is a fucking hater.
61:33Yeah. That's the one, the one that Craig, how do you explain yourself?
61:37We're going to get, this is going to get blurbed by cold takes, whatever it is.
61:41Okay. I want to, so a couple of things I want to do here, but first we're going to, we're going to
61:48figure out this hot quarterback anointment out now that Jimmy Garoppolo is retired.
61:51I wonder, can we read an email from Natasha?
61:54Sure. Okay. This email here is from Natasha. Natasha.
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62:53Hello, Natasha's husband. What's up? If you're listening. What's up, guy?
62:57What's up, chief? My name is Natasha, and I have been asked by my beloved to contribute to your survey on the hotness of NFL quarterbacks.
63:04Hell yeah. Please find below my rankings and commentary.
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63:25Yeah. Natasha writes, first, I find it important to give you my methodology for determining these rankings.
63:29I looked up the starting quarterbacks, and I accounted for any quarterback rooms where that spot is still TBD.
63:35And in doing so, I determined that anyone could fall into a few categories of NFL quarterback.
63:40The first category is future used car dealership owner.
63:43That's like Elway. In this category, we have such names as Kenny Pickett, Riley Leonard, and Quinn Ewers.
63:48And Quinn Ewers was scarier to look at than I expected.
63:51Quinn Ewers is going to own seven car dealerships in Southwest Texas.
63:55Or I don't know where in Texas. But in Texas.
63:58In five years. Honestly, probably. Where's he from? He's from San Antonio.
64:01Okay. So east more. But yeah. Natasha writes, next, there's a guy who ignores you at a party, which includes Shadur Sanders,
64:07Matt Stafford, Justin Herbert, and Bryce Young. Ignores you at a party.
64:11I like this. Very specific. Natasha writes, then Bo Nix also falls into the category of ignoring you to party, but then
64:17I would also be ignoring Bo Nix back. Okay.
64:20Goes both ways. And the last, there's the guy who's very sad that you did not talk to him at the party,
64:26which includes Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, and Gino Smith.
64:29The sensitive boys. He's brooding. He's brooding in the corner.
64:32I saw that Joe Burrow is literally Conrad from The Summer I Turned Pretty, but you guys don't watch the show.
64:38But the seven, the seven who watched it, who listened to the show, the women know.
64:43The Summer I Turned Pretty is turning into Rick and Morty in terms of Heifetz.
64:47Number of Heifetz references. Craig and I are like, I don't.
64:50Dude, Google Conrad from Summer I Turned Pretty. He even looks like Joe Burrow, but he also acts like Joe Burrow.
64:56I'm telling you. This dude is exactly like Joe Burrow.
64:59Oh, yeah. He kind of does look like Joe Burrow.
65:02But he also behaves like Joe Burrow. Oh, my.
65:05He looks very much like Joe Burrow. Interesting. I'm telling you.
65:08Good reference, Heifetz. Thank you. Your references are out of control.
65:11Your references are out of control. In the same way that she has Shador, Stafford, Herbert, and Bryce Young as guys who
65:18would ignore you at a party, I feel like Jackson Dart is the guy who would talk to every single girl at a party.
65:25He's like Jeremiah, the younger brother. He's the younger brother in Summer I Turned Pretty.
65:29Google Jeremiah's Summer I Turned Pretty. He would ignore no one.
65:32There's a guy that does impressions on Instagram of straight guys with a crush on so-and-so.
65:37Have you ever seen this, Craig? No. And it's just like, for everyone, it's like, bleh, what up, Audrey?
65:43It's just like two seconds long. It's fucking good.
65:45That's what I picture Jackson Dart. Auge, what's up?
65:48What's up? You got a pulse? That's hot. All right, wait.
65:51Natasha Emile continues. Before proceeding to the overall ranking, I would like to take a moment of silence to mourn the loss
65:57of Jimmy Garoppolo to the National Football League. I mean, that's a big part of the reason we decided to do this.
66:04We need a new number one. Yeah. Fun fact.
66:06This is Natasha writing. One of my closest friends who is a lesbian has stated for the record that Jimmy Garoppolo is
66:13the only man to ever make her feel any sort of sexual feeling in her entire life.
66:18The spatula. Oh, wow. The highest compliment. That's amazing.
66:21Natasha writes, Garoppolo's retirement is a tremendous loss for many communities, and I wish him nothing but the best in his next endeavors.
66:27For many communities. For many communities. Oh, funny. So we do have to do this.
66:32I think we have to... I don't want... We don't want...
66:35Have we decided we don't want this to influence other people's rankings?
66:38But we do want everyone else... Natasha emailed us like...
66:41Blind rankings. We don't want people listening to who someone else thinks is hot.
66:45We want to know who you think is. We want everybody from the seven.
66:49All seven of you. All seven of you, please email us your quarterback hot rankings, and you can break it up into
66:56tiers, who you think is tier one, two, three, four.
66:59Give us all of them, one through 32, and then as the summer progresses, the three of us are going to make our own rankings and release them.
67:07The summer I turned pretty. That's right. We're going to release them in chunks of four throughout the summer, and then we
67:13will announce our top four and our top whatever, 16, 32, and we'll see how it compares...
67:18To the average of the seven. DK, also, we explain who the seven are for those who are just very...
67:24The seven, if you haven't listened to all seven of you women out there, thank you for listening.
67:29We have seven listeners who are women. All seven.
67:32One of the seven. Of the seven. Thank you.
67:35Okay, so thank you to the seven. Email us in, ringerfantasyfootball at gmail, and obviously just let us know if you're one
67:41of the seven, and rank as much as you fit.
67:44My wife just sneezed. Tell Liz, should I call her and say bless you?
67:48Should we get Liz to add... We need Liz to be one of the...
67:52Make it eight. Wait, should I call her right now?
67:55No, she's not one of the seven. No, she's not.
67:58I even said calling her. Although, she consumes my show, our show, through the wall, so she has heard a lot of it.
68:05I don't know if she's listening, but she's heard it.
68:08This is like... Skippy, too. She's like half... She's listened to one third of our show.
68:12She has heard it. Hey, bless you. All right.
68:15If it's literally called Liz. She picked up? I know.
68:18I'm surprised she picked up. I was shocked she picked up.
68:21I never know what she's doing. What is she doing?
68:24She's like, Heifetz, I'm working. Babe! Babe, wait! Wait, babe!
68:27Babe, wait! Wait, babe! Babe, wait! I heard that was improvised, Craig.
68:30I mean... Babe! I believe it. If there's any line, I feel like it's improvised.
68:35It's him saying, babe, wait 38 times. Babe! Babe!
68:37Craig, what's the opposite of seven? What? The chodes?
68:40Can we explain? Can we get an explanation of the...
68:43Are we really doing this? No, we can't do the chodes.
68:46I refuse. What? I like the chodes. No. The ghost is fine.
68:50You could be a ghost or a chode. How about that?
68:53You could shoot us. No, the ghost are all listeners.
68:56The ghost is good. You're insane. I started out on that side where I was like, come on.
69:01We're not going to call it a chode. You also want posts on Blue Sky to be known as Skeets.
69:07Well, yeah. That's psychotic. Oh, that's the best. I can tell you social media was invented when you were an adult.
69:13What are you against a sex joke? Because I can tell social media was invented when you were like 25 because I
69:19don't think I would have been allowed to be on the internet if I was like, hey, mom, can I send some Skeets on my phone?
69:27I took so many Skeets today. It's crazy. Hey, mom, someone Skeeted at me.
69:31It's like, what? Skeeted. What'd you say? DK's cackling like a schoolboy.
69:35It's so good. Oh, man. Babe! Babe! Wait! Wait, babe!
69:37Have you seen Hot Rod? Heifetz? No, I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
69:42You what? You've never seen Hot Rod? I just smile you along.
69:46Holy shit. You got to watch Hot Rod. Hey, by the way, that reminds me.
69:50I've been meaning to ask you guys this. And I know, Craig, you'll probably be on board with this because you really want me to watch Transformers.
69:58No, you promised you would. That's different. You said you'd do it.
70:02You haven't watched it. We got to have like an off season instead of a book club, a movie club where I
70:08have to watch the movies that you guys want me to watch.
70:12I'll even watch fucking, oh shit, what's that one I never watched?
70:15It's like, uh... The Purge? Remember the Titans or whatever?
70:18The movie you guys always quote, I'm like, remember?
70:21Yeah, the best movie ever made? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
70:23I'll watch that. I'll watch fucking Transformers, even though I've seen it.
70:27But I'll watch it again to try and remember it.
70:30You haven't seen it. You guys have to watch...
70:32YouTube's Megan Fox over the car. You haven't seen the movie.
70:36You have not lived... You guys have to watch some of my movies.
70:39You have not lived... You guys got to watch...
70:42What? I know what you want me to watch.
70:45You guys want me to watch Kingpin? You gotta watch fucking Dumb and Dumber for God's sake.
70:50I literally watched it for you. I literally did this.
70:52I was gonna surprise you. I literally already watched it.
70:55You watched Dumb and Dumber? Hell yeah. I was gonna tell you.
70:59I was gonna watch it twice so I could actually quote it.
71:02And I was gonna start... Yes! Yes! I watched it for you.
71:06I've been saving it. Did you like it? Thank you.
71:09I actually think I told you this on the show and you both forgot, but it's fine.
71:14Oh, really? Shoot. Well, that's great. Did you like it?
71:17It was good. I think Jim Carrey... For the first time, I watched Animal House because I'd not seen it and you
71:23did the rewatch was on it and I watched it.
71:26And I both can appreciate that it is like an important movie.
71:30And I also kind of kept waiting for a lot of like funny moments.
71:34And I was like, okay, I guess the 45 years they had...
71:37There's a lot of infrastructure or modern comedies are built on.
71:40Right. I felt that way the first time I watched Animal House, but then I now think I've seen it three times.
71:47For some reason, this third time I watched it like a week ago, I loved it.
71:51And I thought it was... I thought it aged so much better than I thought.
71:56I mean, like other than the problematic humor. I just felt like the humor of the movie and the...
72:01It's more of a vibe movie. It's not like a punchline movie.
72:05It's more of like a dirty dazed and confused.
72:07And I had a blast. I just like enjoyed being in the world.
72:11I... Yeah. I'm sure it was also just amazing.
72:14Like, I feel like that's the first time anyone tried to actually depict college.
72:18Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that movie set up like every high school comedy movie that came after it, probably.
72:24The... Yeah. It was funny. So you didn't like Animal House or Dumb and Dumber?
72:28My God. That's not... No, stop. I did have fun.
72:31How is that the takeaway? I like... I did like Dumber.
72:34I said I liked it. Yeah. The way you said it, sure didn't really...
72:38It was good. It was good. You know, when you start like, well...
72:42You hesitated. Yeah. You were one pathetic loser. It was so hilarious.
72:45Honestly, it did happen immediately when he turns around in the limo right at the beginning and he's like, did you know
72:52you're more likely to die on the way to the airport?
72:55You know, Mary. Statistically. And there's like the truck explodes.
72:58He like runs the road. The truck explodes. Oh, yeah.
73:01Yeah. You're right. A lot of bad drivers out there.
73:04The goodbye my love line. Probably my most quoted thing.
73:07The airport when you fly in somewhere? Don't you say that to Skippy every time you leave the house?
73:12You go in the airport and fly in somewhere?
73:15Goodbye, my love. And then he gets hit by the airbag.
73:18Why are you going to the airport? It's flying somewhere?
73:21Do you know what we've started saying in my household that we stole from your wife, DK?
73:26What? This is a great bit. Every time you get a phone call of any kind, your wife looks at you and says, who is she?
73:34Yeah. Like, it's me. It's Craig. It's a spam caller.
73:36Who is she? Anytime I giggle about anything on my phone, she's just, who is she?
73:41So now Jack and I do that to each other.
73:44It's really funny. It's really good. It's a great bit.
73:47Oh, my God. Big gulps, huh? Huh? All right.
73:50Well, see you later. I had only YouTube that.
73:52Another line that was improvised, Craig. I had YouTubeed it because you guys talk about it so much, but now I watched it.
73:59Those guys weren't actors. They were just there. They were just there.
74:02They were hanging out at a 7-Eleven. The fucking best.
74:05Big gulps, huh? All right. He's shaking the fucking like Slim Jims at him.
74:09All right. Oh, no. Like Red Vines or whatever they were.
74:13There is something about, like, sometimes the lines that age the best are not always the funniest lines in the moment.
74:19Like, the laugh out loud stuff hits in the theater, but it almost doesn't last as long.
74:24And it's kind of the random throwaway lines that you keep coming back to over and over.
74:29It's weird. The one line for that movie that I always say that I don't even know if I fully understand is he's like telling the joke.
74:37And she's like, do you love me? And he's like, no, but that sure is a nice ski mask.
74:42And he's like imagining himself telling these jokes or whatever.
74:45And I'm just like, I'm like, is that like an OJ reference?
74:49I think it might be. I don't know. When was this movie written?
74:52I think the point is that it's an incoherent joke.
74:55You don't know what it means. And I hope that's the other lines given I always say, do you love me?
75:01No, but that sure is a nice ski mask.
75:04Our pets heads are falling off. We got no job.
75:07We got no money. Our pets heads are falling off.
75:10Fell off the jetway again. Got me. You can just quote this movie for a fucking hour.
75:15It feels like you're running at an incredible speed, Harry.
75:18Did you listen to that rewatchables? No. Dumb and Dumber?
75:21I did. I don't think so. I saved it.
75:23Who was on there? Bill and Jennifer Lawrence. Oh, right.
75:26Yes. Check it out. How'd that go? I thought it went great.
75:30I heard that you came out at the end and talked a lot.
75:34Is that what the people are saying? Yeah. Yeah.
75:36Check it. Yeah. J-Law and I, we appreciated the movie and we had a fun chat.
75:41Check it out. You vibed a lot. Yeah. We had a good rapport over Dumb and Dumber, I would say.
75:47Interesting. All right. I have to listen. That was a long time ago.
75:50Pandemic. Chemistry? Oh, man. Who is she? Who is she?
75:53When's the last time you guys had a Big Gulp?
75:56Never. Very long time. You never had a Big Gulp?
75:59Never had a Big Gulp. What's your Big Gulp go-to, Craig?
76:02Like your slushy or whatever? I think I liked the Cherry Coke flavor or whatever the fuck that was.
76:08That was good. I don't know if I had a go-to.
76:11Cherry Coke, hell yeah. Did you have a go-to?
76:14I was a mix guy. I'd mix a few together.
76:17See what I got. Big Gulps? Are so fucking big.
76:20Slurpy. I called it a slushy. I was like, what?
76:23That doesn't sound right. The Big Gulp almost undersells how big they are.
76:26I know. I think it's absolutely absurd that the drinks are so large at movie theaters.
76:31I think it's fucking crazy and I don't get it.
76:34They're so big. The small is like 24 ounces.
76:37They're getting big. You keep saying it. Movies are getting longer.
76:40You're there forever. Do you need 36 ounces of Coke?
76:43I think movies needed emissions again. I actually, I don't understand.
76:46So I went to see, I can't believe that theater closed.
76:49You were telling me the arc light though and sunset.
76:52And I saw, what did I see there in the 15th anniversary?
76:56What's the, oh God, I'm forgetting the name of it.
76:58The great space movie. Oh, we have to do the.
77:012001 A Space Odyssey. Yeah. Should we do the game now that we said we'd do?
77:06Total Recall? Yeah, yeah. Name the two actors in the Gravity movie.
77:10George Clooney, Sandra Bullock. Sandra Bullock. Yeah. Good, good.
77:12Speaking of which, we did the rewatchables with Steven Spielberg on 2001 A Space Odyssey.
77:17Ooh. Oh my God. Yeah. Wait, you need to talk about this.
77:20So we didn't talk about this because we can talk about it now because now it's came out.
77:25But you literally, tell me everything about dealing with Steven Spielberg.
77:28So Spielberg came over to Bill's house and we taped an over two hour episode.
77:33We planned on 90 minutes. We went two hours and 15 minutes with Spielberg.
77:37It was Bill, Sean, and Spielberg and me in the room.
77:40It was an absolute, genuinely a true, true privilege.
77:43I was honored to be in the room with him.
77:46And he was so refreshingly enthusiastic. He was like a fucking kid in a candy shop.
77:50So just like Love's movies was like a little boy sitting on his hands talking about his favorite movie for two hours
77:57and 15 minutes in the most enthusiastic way. The guy's 79 years old.
78:01He's fucking sharp as a tack, was naming gaffers and grips and assistant directors and composers from the 70s and 80s that he worked with.
78:08We took no breaks. We just did the whole thing.
78:11What a pro. What a pro. Is that, that is his favorite movie of all time.
78:15It's one of them. We, we, he, he like wanted to talk about that one, but it was among his favorite.
78:22Yes. So this is out now, right? This is why we're talking about it.
78:26It's on Netflix and Spotify and Apple and whatever.
78:28But if you want to watch it, yeah, Spotify and, and Netflix, you can, you can see Spielberg.
78:34It was crazy. Did you have a report? When he pulled up, he got out of the car.
78:39I was down there with Bill to greet him.
78:41And he looks at me and he goes, I know you.
78:45And he shook my hand and I went, you do?
78:48And then he went, oh, sorry. I think I thought you worked for me.
78:52Sorry. That's amazing. I got so fucking excited for like two seconds.
78:55It was Craig Doppelganger. I was like, oh my God, you do?
78:59He's like, yeah, dude. The Mike Williams take you had in 2021 was amazing.
79:03You had rapport with Jennifer Lawrence. I loved you on the Dumber Dumber episode.
79:07Holy shit. Yeah, it was nuts. He was talking about Stanley Kubrick.
79:10I mean, told a million stories about his relationship with him, about other actors he's worked with.
79:15I mean, I mean, he's like literally the, like the greatest living director on the planet.
79:20Yeah. Yeah. It's insane. Good IMDb. Solid list. Yeah.
79:23Guy invented blockbusters. What was going through your head when he said, I know you?
79:27I genuinely like panicked. It was like happy panic.
79:30I was like, how? Or like, how do you know?
79:33Like, I was trying to think of what he could have possibly said.
79:36Cause I, you know, I don't know. And he quickly dispelled that.
79:40I was like, oh, sorry. I thought I was like, were you like, that makes sense?
79:44Or were you like crushed? I was like, that makes sense.
79:48Let's be honest. Oh, that's really good. Do you think he does that all the time just to like disarm people who he doesn't know or whatever?
79:56It's like Heifetz meeting Jerry Jones. Hey, good to see you again.
79:59It was such an enthusiastic, like he looked right at me, shook my hand.
80:03Anyway, so confidently, I know you. I was like, you do?
80:06Did Spielberg understand the categories? Again, the Apex Mountain.
80:09How much explanation did it take to explain Apex Mountain to Steven Spielberg?
80:13What I love about Bill is like, it doesn't matter who's on the show.
80:17He's doing the fucking categories. And we, he took out a couple, but we almost did the full slate with him.
80:23He explained Apex Mountain to him. Um, Sean was like laughing as Bill was doing it.
80:28Bill was like, all right, so we've got this thing called Apex Mountain.
80:31We're like two hours into the podcast. Spielberg's sitting there and he's like, so it's kind of like who had the most
80:38juice in their career at this given moment? And Sean is just like staring at me like, I can't believe Bill Simmons
80:44is explaining Apex Mountain to Steven Spielberg. Spielberg was into it, participated in it.
80:48And by the end of the show, he's like, I'm loving these categories.
80:52He's like, memorabilia, picking nits. This is fun. It was great.
80:55All right, well, check that out on the rewatchables.
80:58He also has some insane memorabilia. Like he owns.
81:01Oh my God. If you've seen 2001, one of the spacesuits, like kind of that, like iconic orange one.
81:06He's like, I have that. What? He's like, I donated it to them.
81:10He's like, it's at the Academy Museum in LA.
81:13He's like, but that's mine. Just recall. I lent it to them.
81:16Yeah. Oh my God. Great movie. That movie was on HBO, by the way, 2001.
81:20But watch us on Netflix. Right. Yeah. Watch 2001 and then us.
81:24And then rewatchables. No, do 2001, then rewatchables, then us.
81:27Play 2001 Odyssey or Space Odyssey when you're home and then put us on when you leave.
81:32Can we get Netflix to make us the autoplay after the rewatchables with Steven Spielberg?
81:36I'll see what I can do. Yeah. Put it in a word.
81:40If you guys could sit and do a rewatchables with any living person, who would it be?
81:45Well, that's a great question. Director or actor? Are you saying literally anyone on earth you want to do it with?
81:51I mean, probably Will Ferrell. Vince Vaughn was the name that came to my mind.
81:55Sandler. If I did Happy Gilmore with Sandler. Sandler.
81:58Oh. That would be really fun. They did that.
82:00Didn't you guys? Oh, no. It wasn't Sandler. They had the Safdie brothers do Happy Gilmore and the rewatchables.
82:06That was fun. Which was a really funny one.
82:09They were great, actually. Jim Carrey. Ace Ventura. Yeah, I was going to say Jim Carrey would be a very interesting one.
82:15But I like that it's not Spielberg in a Spielberg movie.
82:18It's good that it's not their own movie. No.
82:21Yeah. We've never done that. Every director we've had come in doesn't do their own movie.
82:26Seth Rogen, I think, would be my answer. Oh, yeah.
82:28Oh, yeah. I think he'd be the top. He'd be S tier.
82:32Yeah. Seth tier. Okay. Maybe. Frickin shit. What's the guy from Zoolander?
82:35Ben Stiller. Ben Stiller would be good. Anyway, continue.
82:38He's going to get mad that you said, what's the guy from Zoolander?
82:42Yeah, I knew his name. It's Recall. Do a quiz real quick.
82:45Total Recall? Yeah. Name seven James Bonds, DK. Who is the main actor in Total Recall?
82:50I actually never saw it. Total Recall. What are the eighth and ninth amendments?
82:54Go. Tenth Amendment is cross-state commerce that allows other laws.
82:57Look, I understand the difference now, all right? I'm sorry.
83:00I messed it up. Name amendments 20 through 25.
83:03Go. Come on. I was asking you to name president.
83:06He was mad that like, he was like, you have no examples.
83:09I didn't know. And I'm like, I forwarded you an email that had three examples.
83:13I didn't read it very closely. All right. I was busy.
83:17I don't things to do. I don't always. I don't read everything.
83:20You put name someone from Scooby Doo. That's not Scooby Doo.
83:23Shaggy. Velma. Daphne. Yeah. Is that right? Daphne. Yeah.
83:26And then who's the blonde guy? The mystery mobile.
83:29Is it Fred? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. And then wasn't he played by Freddie Prinze Jr.?
83:34Oh, I don't know that. I was at six.
83:36Well, no, I'm saying the light. I tell you something.
83:39I think he was. Add Freddie Prinze Jr. to the list of people that were famous when I was very small that
83:46I never really learned who they were. I just know that name is famous.
83:50I couldn't really tell you anything about Freddie Prinze Jr.
83:53Yeah. To be honest. I know what you did last summer.
83:56No, that's exactly my point. These are movies that's the cracks.
83:59It came out in 1998 and my parents were not going to watch it.
84:03And then it just like there's that thing that some things that happen right around when you're born are just like no man's land.
84:10Your parents stop the just in culture while you're a child.
84:13I agree with that. But then there are some movies like Remember the Titans, which is 2000.
84:18And of course, I watched that. Yeah. Well, my parent, my mom loves that movie.
84:23So I watched it 10,000 times. Oh, I know this person.
84:26OK. I know this person. DK, you have to watch Remember the Titans.
84:30If you don't like Remember the Titans. If you agree to the parameters of my movie, my summer movie club, we'll do it.
84:36Should it be like a three-way thing where it's like DK makes me watch a movie.
84:41I make Heifetz watch a movie. Heifetz. I watch Dumb and Dumber.
84:44So go. I did my piece. Well, come on.
84:47No, no, no. Cool. DK, you haven't watched Transformers yet.
84:50Yeah. You said you like promise. You think you would do it before the draft.
84:54I never said I'd ever agree to anything. Dude, you haven't lived until you see the Autobots roll out to Linkin Park.
85:01That is unstarted. I want to make you guys watch Kingpin.
85:04I'll watch fucking Kingpin. All right. Done. OK. Thank you, DK.
85:07Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Linkin Park. Thank you to everyone.
85:10Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Abu. Thank you to Carlos.
85:14Thank you to Austin. Thank you to J.G. McCarthy for your honesty.
85:17Even if it was just lie misinformed. Not always the best policy.
85:21Underrated. Lying. Lying. Greater than. Thank you to the seven.
85:24All seven of you for emailing us your top hottest quarterback rankings.
85:27Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you. Crash test dummies.
85:30I don't know much about them. Maybe I've already said them recently, but they're the ones that do that.
85:36Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm.
85:38It's in Dumb and Dumber. I'm just thinking Wolf of Wall Street when you did that.
85:43That did sound like Wolf of Wall Street. It did sound a lot like that.
85:47Yeah, like with the chest. Yeah. Oh, the song is literally called Mm.
85:51No, it's Mbop. A lot of Mbop songs in my era.
85:54It's harder to. It's actually harder to pronounce than Mbop.
85:57Mbop. I can see Ifens' issues here with this.
86:00Oh, now it makes sense. I don't know this.
86:02Do I know this? Mbop. That's a dumb name.
86:05Sure. I'm not disputing that. I don't know this song.
86:08Oh, it's a banger. It's in Dumb and Dumber at one point.
86:11It's like when they get in a fight and he gets all sad.
86:15They have a real Creed sound, this guy. Yeah, he's got real deep voice.
86:19Crash Test Dummies is a good name for Ben.
86:22Yeah. Do you guys remember? Are you old enough to remember the commercials with the Crash Test Dummies talk to each other a lot?
86:29It sounds familiar. Yeah. I don't even know what they're for.
86:32I felt old because someone has these commercials now for...
86:35Do you remember the old Apple commercials where they had Justin Long and John Hodgman as the Mac and PC?
86:41And they... We're now old enough that someone had the bright idea to just rehash them for a completely different product.
86:47Oh, yeah. That's fine. And I felt old because I was like, oh, my God, this is a reference to a different commercial.
86:54Did you name the other actor in that commercial?
86:56Did I get it wrong? No, no. That was impressive.
86:59Who is that? Justin Long and who? John Hodgman.
87:02He was like a Daily Show correspondent for a long time.
87:05Oh, yeah. Good for you. That was a nice pull.
87:08Hey, once in a while, you got it. I still got it.
87:12You were so... It was so rewarding and mildly insulting when you were stunned I got Timothy Dalton as a James Bond.
87:18And it was like you were so shocked I almost got offended.
87:21I was proud of you. That's the takeaway. I was proud of you.
87:25You were so shocked I got offended is really good.
87:28Okay. So then here's what's going to happen. DK, once you fucking watch Transformers, we can begin the movie club.
87:34That'll kick it off? Yeah. I'll watch Kingpin as well.
87:37I'll do it. I'll watch Kingpin as well. Do you want it?
87:40Let's do it one at a time, though, I think, and then we talk about it.
87:45I got my own movie club. It's just the watchables.
87:48Fair. What if we came up with categories while we rewatch these old movies?
87:52Yeah. Well, no, that's the key. We're not rewatching it.
87:55That would be the same idea. Yeah. What's the opposite of rewatching?
87:59Watching. The watchables. Unwatching. Something there. Unwatch 10 years of Giants football.
88:02What would you unwatch if you could? That CJ Stroud game?
88:05I don't know. Yeah. The Mountain versus the Viper.
88:08Every Steelers play out game since 2017. Yeah, yeah.
88:11I can think of one particular Super Bowl who's ending I would unwatch.
88:14I'd unwatch. Oh, man. Yeah, that's a good one.
88:17I'd unwatch the Giants. I'll never get over the Giants taking a knee on like third and eight.
88:22I'd unwatch. I'd never get over that. The sneak.
88:25The sneak. A quarter. On second down. Sneak on third and eight from the four yard line.
88:30I would unwatch the movie Hereditary. I was there.
88:32Oh, my God. I remember when you were forced to watch that.
88:36It was during core week. We were all in Los Angeles.
88:39Craig was prepping for rewatchables because they do them like in the morning.
88:43Or you were doing in the morning that day.
88:46And you had to watch the movie for it.
88:48And I walk into your office at 930 in the morning.
88:51And you were like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Like you freaked the fuck out that I opened the door.
88:57And you were like sweating. You're like, sorry, I'm watching Hereditary.
89:00You look so uncomfortable. Ari Aster should be in jail for what he does.
89:04That shouldn't be legal to watch that film. Nobody needs that.
89:07I'm like Rob Hervilla. I read the Wikipedias for horror movies.
89:11But I won't watch a horror movie. You know, I will say by the time this comes out, I'll have seen it.
89:17But I'm going to go see. Have you guys heard of the movie Backrooms that's coming out?
89:22I've heard of that. I think I've unwillingly seen the trailers for it a lot.
89:26But yes, it is directed by a 20-year-old kid named Kane Parsons who was making videos on YouTube.
89:32And there's a lot of buzz about it. I'm going to go see it.
89:36I'm pausing my no horror rule and I'm going to go see it.
89:40The horal back rule. The horror back rule. Horror back.
89:42Horror back. Horror back. So a 20-year-old kid is going to make me shit my pants.
89:47But I'm going to see it. It's actually very interesting.
89:50It's based on like a – there was a 4chan post like seven years ago of a photo.
89:55Love when that starts. Of a room that like was like an empty room with like yellow lighting.
90:01It was carpeted. There's like no windows. Oh, I've heard about this.
90:04Yes, yes. Yes. And then it started this long conversation about liminal space and how it makes you feel.
90:10And that eventually morphed into this guy Kane Parsons making these YouTube videos kind of about that idea.
90:15And it has now since turned into a movie.
90:17Liminal space. Yeah. It's like the feeling of like being in like an empty office building or something.
90:23And it like kind of feels good. But it's also a little scary.
90:27And you like feel kind of trapped. But it's also kind of comforting.
90:30I'll send you the photo. It's interesting. I'm just reading about it.
90:34Yeah. It's like I've never really heard of that.
90:36But yeah. I'll send you the photo right now of – from 4chan that started this whole thing.
90:42It's kind of like a dreamy, dreamlike feeling. A psychological threshold of transition.
90:45It's like you're in like an empty dentist office.
90:48I don't know. It's like you're in a back hallway of an office building.
90:52It's kind of like severance. Yeah. It's like there's no windows.
90:55So you kind of feel like you're disconnected from the world.
90:59But you also – it's like this weird feeling.
91:01You're like kind of feel safe and it's kind of nice.
91:04But it's also terrifying. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. The uncanny valley seeing as familiar places like an old 90s shopping mall out of their normal context tricks the brain.
91:13You do that. I'm going to go to Italy for my honeymoon.
91:16But have fun with that. This is like how I – Dude, have you ever – do you ever dream about the first house you lived in?
91:24So like a lot of my dreams currently take place in the house I grew up in.
91:29Oh, interesting. Which I think is bizarre. How often do you guys have a dream that you wake up from and you
91:35were like, no, I was just experiencing that. It felt super real like two seconds ago.
91:40Maybe like once a month. Yeah. Not that often really.
91:43Yeah. Does that happen to you a lot? Less now, which maybe there's a metaphor there.
91:48Our imaginations are dying. It's like my – yeah.
91:50It's like my dad – No. It's more like we just never get to REM sleep.
91:55I have a lot of time – It's like my dad can't sleep anymore.
91:59I'm like, oh, I literally stole my father's dreams.
92:02Literally. Like it's – I have a lot of instances now where I will wake up and be like, oh my god, that's such a good movie idea.
92:10And then I'll write it down. Well, done. And then a month later, I'll read it back and it's complete gibberish.
92:16Oh, yeah. No. It's horrible. You have to write down literally every color and every idea.
92:21It's crazy how the – it really – it falls through like sand through your fingers.
92:25Like it just collapses. Yeah, it's crazy. I think you have to write with a pen too because if you pick up
92:32your phone, even like little messages you see on your phone, like the more like active real world stuff you introduce, it is like – Oh, interesting.
92:40It fractures the state that you were just in.
92:42So even you go, oh, I got a text from me.
92:45Like I sent you a text. And seeing that alone, thinking about what it might be, accelerates the dissolution.
92:51And if it is four in the morning my time, you probably did send me a text.
92:56Well, I text you at six in the morning Pacific and you guys text me at one in the morning.
93:02It is what it is. It is true. Yeah.
93:04Sometimes DK and I text at like 11 p.m.
93:07our time. It was a big problem for a while because you're like – Every once in a while you respond though.
93:13Every once in a while. Yeah, I'm like, what is he doing?
93:17Yeah, it's like 1.30 his time. He's just drunk.
93:20What the fuck? That sounds good. I'm like, all right.
93:22He's up. What's he doing? What's he doing right now?
93:25What is he doing? What is he doing? Is he on his phone in bed right now?
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