Training Camp Hype to Buy or Sell, a Jackie-Heifetz Argument, Ringer Movie Club: 'Kingpin,' 'The Odyssey,' and Beach Ham
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1:00And so we are going to look at all the players that are absolute thirst traps, siren songs for this season.
1:06In honor of? The Odyssey, baby. Craig, biggest movie in the world?
1:09Movies are back? Great year for movies, I would say.
1:12And The Odyssey's crushing it. Going to be Nolan's biggest movie ever, yeah.
1:16Going to the theater is back. Yeah. Four movies cooking.
1:19IMAX very shortly. Things are cooking right now. We're doing good.
1:22The CineRamidome's coming back in LA. It's fucking, we're cooking.
1:25All 14mm, 70mm IMAX theaters are just absolutely cranking, man.
1:28I saw it in one of those. No big deal.
1:30Yeah, well, go die. I have wanted to do this for a while of just basically, we're not going to spoil the movie.
1:37DK, I know you care deeply about spoilers. It is a 3,000 year old story.
1:41We can't, probably shouldn't spoil the Bible either. Talk about it.
1:44Well, look, just because the story was written 3,000, I mean, Nolan's adaptation of it, anything could happen.
1:49It's true. Sure. Yeah, I mean, you know. Maybe Channing Tatum's in a gimp suit.
1:54You have no idea. You don't really know. So at the end, we'll let you, if you don't want to get it spoiled, you can bail.
2:01But we're going to talk about it at the end.
2:04But yeah, so we're going to go through an Odyssey-related list of players.
2:08And it's dumb, but I swear it makes sense.
2:10But first, I want to hit some news. Also at the end, I need you guys, we're going to do Kingpin Movie
2:16Club, and I need you guys to settle an argument I had with Jackie about pens.
2:21About Kingpin? No. We're doing Kingpin first. Kingpin Movie Club, comma.
2:24Then I need you to do an argument I had with Jackie.
2:27Anyway, first I want to hit some news. I think I side with Jackie.
2:31That's why we phrased it very specifically. So I want to talk about, there's a bunch of defensive tackle news.
2:37So Jalen Carter for the Eagles signed a big extension with the Eagles, and then also Vita Vea, who's a great defensive
2:43tackle for the Buccaneers, basically is like, fuck this, and wants to trade.
2:47You said it right. I know, right? Isn't that shocking?
2:50Great work. I was waiting for it. I think everyone was praying my downfall there, but here we go.
2:55Also, Heifetz, you know what? Yesterday I thought about it.
2:58Last night I was laying on the couch, and it just hit me.
3:02The word almost. Almost. What say you? Because I think that almost is important because it's kind of like there's – But
3:08it's kind of like two L's because it's almost kind of smushed together, and then you kind of lose the yellow.
3:14How do you know almond isn't two L's? It's the same thing.
3:17It's A-L-M-A-L. That's stupid. Sure. It could be all the mons.
3:20That's all the – you don't know what a mond is.
3:24You're right. I don't. Yeah. First of all, the people who grow the almonds call the almonds.
3:28Do you say the almond brothers? Well, that's two L's.
3:31Almond? I was going to say it's two L's.
3:34Yeah. That's two L's. I'm backtracking. Cut that. We had him.
3:37Yeah. Bleep that. It's like the lawyer. I have the worst attorney.
3:40Dikas is Ellen Ross. We cut that from the fucking show.
3:43It's fine. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just saying.
3:46Strike that from the record. All right. Vita Vea.
3:48Dikas said Melania Trump this year. That's all I'm going to say.
3:52Yeah, but I admit what I'm wrong. All right?
3:54I said, oh, I'm wrong. Oh, sorry. We cut it from the show.
3:58Oh, I got that wrong. My bad. It's all you have to do once in your life.
4:03Anyway. The people who grow the almonds say almond.
4:05Almond. So, you know what? What do you mean?
4:08Do they? Yeah. We talked about this. We can't do this at the beginning.
4:12We have to. Most of the almonds in America are grown in California, right?
4:16Yeah. The California almond people by where you, northern California.
4:19The California people say, what do they say? Almond.
4:21We got, do you not remember? Almond? Yeah. Almond and the chipmunks?
4:25Yes. Those movies made a lot of money. Way more than you think.
4:28The squeakable? We're off track here. Holy shit. Anyway.
4:31God, we usually do this at the end. You should show Calvin Alvin and the chipmunks.
4:36He could be Alvin for Halloween. Calvin Alvin. There we go.
4:39Anyway. Vita Veya wants to trade. They want to trade.
4:41I think this is all Dexter Lawrence's fault because Dexter Lawrence wanted more money and the Giants wouldn't give it to him.
4:48So he got traded to Bengals for 10th pick in the draft.
4:51And then every defensive tackle was like, show me the money.
4:54And now there's just like this cascade effect. So Jalen Carter got this big deal, $35 million a year.
5:00It's a lot of money. Four years, $150 million.
5:02Basically $35 million a year. He's now the highest paid tackle in the league, right?
5:06Yeah. And then, I mean, all the tackles are making a lot of money.
5:10And the number sounds huge, but it's just like the NBA.
5:14You got to remember, like the salary cap has, salary caps doubled in 10 years.
5:18Like 35 sounds like a lot. It's because the salary cap total used to be $175 million.
5:23And now it's like over $300 million. So, I mean, I think the first year there was a salary cap.
5:28It was for less money than Jalen Carter now makes per year.
5:32So the salary cap goes up. The salaries do too.
5:35And then the Eagles signed Jordan Davis a few months ago.
5:38So they have both the defensive tackles signed for the Eagles.
5:41And then next year, they'll have to do Quinion Mitchell and Cooper DeGene.
5:44Because that's the burden of nailing all your fucking draft picks that the other NFC teams aid in.
5:50I bet you getting the players. Again, it's a good thing that you have to pay good players.
5:55D.K., Jalen Carter, we don't talk about it all the time on this fantasy show, but it's funny.
6:00He was annoying when he fell to the Eagles in the draft because there's a lot of problems with him in college.
6:06And the Eagles are like, screw it. We'll just take the best player in the draft.
6:11And he's kind of lived up to the billing.
6:13Off-field concerns, on-field concerns. He spits. He's like genuinely a dirty player.
6:16Also single-handedly, like just an absolute game wrecker, probably single-handedly kind of ended the Rams-Eagles game in the snow that led to
6:23the Eagles going on a Super Bowl run. And I feel like defensive tackles kind of age really well.
6:28Like they're actually really, other than quarterbacks, the position that plays the longest.
6:32I feel like Jalen Carter's best football, if he ever ends up being like a Hall of Fame player, is ahead of him.
6:38And it's annoying that the Eagles have him. Yeah, I just go back to that Rams game when the interior defensive line absolutely just took over.
6:46Like you said, game wrecker type potential. That's why he's getting paid what he is being paid.
6:50I think it's fascinating that they just paid Jordan Davis.
6:53He's getting an average of $26 million a year.
6:56You mentioned Jalen Carter, $35 million a year. I mean, and that is just, they're setting up their interior off defensive line for the long term.
7:03They can kind of rotate. I feel like with those type of guys inside, they can rotate edge players and kind of,
7:09you know, it's sort of the opposite of what teams have been trying to do, which was like lock up their defensive ends.
7:16They can kind of rotate whoever on the inside, just put in some big guys and see what happens.
7:21But it feels like the NFL is going in another direction.
7:24I mean, we got Jeffrey Simmons just got a massive, massive contract with the Titans.
7:29Dexter Lawrence, as you mentioned, got traded for the 10th overall pick and then got a new deal.
7:34Didn't he get a new deal right after that too?
7:37He's making $28 million a year. And yeah, I mean, and then the two Eagles guys, it's just, it's a new world for defensive tackle.
7:44Now we got Aaron Donald maybe coming back. I still think that outside of miles Garrett in particular, who I just think
7:50defensive tackles are so much more valuable than defensive ends.
7:53The interior pressure is so much more valuable than, than edge pressure.
7:56It's more valuable for the run. And again, if you look at rarer to basically the last, yeah, it's harder, but it's more valuable.
8:03If you can get a run stuffing defensive tackle, that also can be a pass rusher and just constantly handle double teams.
8:09You're undoing math. If you, I mean, that's what these guys are.
8:13They're guys that can split double teams. It's still get to the quarterback right in his face and allows you to not
8:19step up in the pocket and edge rusher. You step up in the pocket.
8:23You can plan around them. I mean, even you look at miles Garrett, Michael Parsons, what are the coolest plays that you
8:29can think of off the top of your head of miles Garrett and Michael Parsons?
8:33It's when they line up over the goddamn center in the middle of the field, like the best players wrecking the most,
8:40wreaking the most havoc in the middle of the field is the most impactful.
8:44And the fact that Dexter Lawrence, everyone's like telling me to be all excited about this Dexter Lawrence trade.
8:49I'm like, well, he got half the return that Max Crosby did.
8:52And I personally just think that there's a market inefficiency because I think defensive tackles are more valuable, but they're paid less
8:59because there's not like this 40 year history of counting sacks.
9:02And there really was no way to quantify a defensive tackles value if you're an agent until like the last 10 years.
9:08And so I think the market's behind, but if you just had like everything, every contract was all undone at the same
9:14time, I think teams would grab tackles over, over defensive ends.
9:17And I think it's the key to team building.
9:20And again, it hasn't really been a Superbowl winner in the last 10 years where their best defensive lineman was a pass rusher.
9:26It's been like 10 years since that was the case.
9:29I think the sacks point is a good one that it's just an easier stat to count.
9:34It's flashier. It's easier to, to understand why this guy's better than the other guy, because you can just count sacks compared to what a defensive tackle does.
9:42That's interesting. I mean, you could probably find things like that in every sport, honestly, just like playing good defense in the
9:48NBA, I think it's just harder to quantify. It's like making the guy pass the ball away to somebody else.
9:54It's like, I don't know how you really write that down.
9:57It's like Wemby now when everybody's counting like the U-turns that players make, like when they drive, they see Wemby and they turn around.
10:04It's like, that's not on a stat sheet, but that is so important.
10:07And so I totally agree with you. Like sometimes I think money ball in some ways is it's the most overrated thing
10:14because it's like baseball was around for a hundred years and they're like batting average hits divided by at bats.
10:19And Billy beans like, let's just count walks. That's it.
10:22Who like on base percentage, baby? Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, it took a hundred years to just do on base percentage.
10:28Cause it was harder. Like, you know? So I, anyway, I think that this is big.
10:33I think Vita Veya, he's a great player for the Buccaneers.
10:36I think Vita Veya is right in there with Levante David, who just retired where if Vita Veya was just on the
10:42jets, he would just be like way more famous.
10:45I don't know why ESPN is obsessed with putting all these former jets on the, on ESPN, but there were all these
10:51Tampa Bay players that if they were just in larger markets would be more famous.
10:55Cause they're incredible. And Vita Veya is just so underrated.
10:58He's in the final year of his deal. When you want to trade, it's really cause you didn't get a contract you wanted.
11:05So I don't think Vita Veya will be traded.
11:07If he is like, I just think Todd Bowles is like final year of it.
11:12Like I think Todd Bowles is really on the hot seat.
11:15If the bucks don't make the playoffs, I think Todd Bowles will be gone.
11:19I'd be surprised if he wants to get rid of Vita Veya and he'd probably put his body in front of it.
11:25But if he went, I don't know. I mean, the giants could use a nose tackle.
11:29Vita Vea is 31 years old. Yeah. So obviously, you know, he's at that point in his career where you start to
11:36worry about decline and then, you know, they still have to get Baker under contract Baker.
11:40I think the news just came out today that he's going to just go in and play this year.
11:46He said he was going to do that. He said when training camp starts, yeah, I'll stop thinking about the contract.
11:52So, you know, it is one of those things where it's like, does the team give Vita Veya a big money contract extension at 31 years old?
11:59Do they prioritize other positions? Are they trying to get younger on defensive line?
12:03It is. There's just a lot, a lot of moving parts here.
12:07I agree. This is probably more just like a negotiating tactic than a, than a real request, but we'll see.
12:12Cause you know, some of these, some of these trades have ended up going through like, no one really thought that Michael Parsons thing was going to happen.
12:20That happened. The Dexter Lawrence trade kind of set a new precedent too.
12:24I think a little bit. Yeah. I still think the, the bears, I, every time there's a defensive lineman available in trade,
12:30I think about Chicago, which I thought was summed up by this pro football focus stack that Chicago allowed the most yards
12:36before contact and design runs in the NFL last year, 800 yards just before contact for Chicago.
12:41They just don't, they're, they're a Superbowl caliber team in Chicago that doesn't out of a Superbowl caliber front Superbowl caliber front seven.
12:48And then I was thinking about it and I'm like, you know what?
12:51I don't think Vita V is going to get traded.
12:54You know what I kind of think might get traded.
12:57Max Crosby. Remember the Max Crosby thing? The guy who was already traded.
13:01He got traded. If this was the NBA, if the NBA, like if this, like if there was an NBA player, I guess maybe Kawhi is it.
13:08That's in limbo. I feel like if a player was traded and then undone as big as Max Crosby, we'd hear about it every day.
13:15And there'd be like a timeline. I haven't heard a damn word about him.
13:19Is he in camp? Is he hanging out? Is he healthy?
13:23They literally traded Max Crosby for two first. It was undone within 48 hours before miles Garrett is the biggest trade of the entire off season.
13:30And I feel like whether the Raiders have actually decided that they'll just keep Max Crosby all year or they're going to trade him.
13:37The Raiders have to act like he's not going to get traded.
13:40And I almost feel like it's been forgotten, but I'm like, I don't know.
13:44It's Max Crosby really going to go into the season and play like 99% of snaps, like a psychopath, which he does
13:50every year and just, just puts way more tread on his tires than any defender basically ever.
13:55Like no defensive lineman plays 100% of snaps except him.
13:58It's not a thing. And I did. They'll just let that happen again.
14:02I'm like, I don't know. I feel like he's going to get dealt.
14:05And I kind of thought the Rams, I thought the Rams were going to be the team.
14:10And then they got miles Garrett. I still, I think Chicago, not anymore, but I thought the Rams should do it.
14:16And I think that now that miles gets in the Rams, I think Chicago should go get Max Crosby.
14:21And I think Vita V is going to stay in Tampa.
14:25But I like that the NFL has more trades these days.
14:28It feels like anyway, it just feels like GMs are more willing to do big, big Jerry Jones just said in an
14:34interview recently that he's looking, he was just on the phone with a team about potentially make selling future picks for a good player right now.
14:41Maybe that's fucking Max Crosby. How funny would that be?
14:44They just traded for Williams too, by the way.
14:47That's, that's funny. You say that because when you hear Jerry being like, I was just on the phone with someone the
14:53other day, you're kind of like, Oh, well, whatever.
14:55He just talks, dude. When Jerry in the past has alluded to there being trade discussions, he's usually just, he's actually usually honest.
15:02He like, it's usually happened. Like he alluded to the Williams thing.
15:05Like every time he's up on the mic is his, all his underlings are like, he has no filter anymore.
15:11Do you remember when he said Jonathan Brooks, the running back, he was coming out of Texas.
15:16He said, Jonathan, it was after day one of the draft, the first round.
15:20So Jonathan Brooks had this, the best pre-draft interview I've ever seen.
15:23And his son nudges him. I was like, dad, we haven't taken him yet.
15:27Shut up. It's like the draft. He was the highest ranked player on our board.
15:31Dad, shut up, dad. So anyway, I kind of think the Cowboys just traded for Max Crosby and then just like did the Micah Parsons trade in aggregate.
15:39What if they only get only trade one first for Max Crosby?
15:43And then, so they, you know, they turned Micah into Kenny Clark, Maks Crosby in a first.
15:48Quinn and Williams. Art of the deal. And Quinn and Williams.
15:51Art of the deal. Sneaky cooking. Jerry. So there you go.
15:54Max Crosby also kind of feels like a cowboy.
15:56I think that would work. Yeah. The, oh my God.
15:59I kind of wonder. The other one I want to throw out is Justin Herbert got engaged.
16:04Well done, sir. Yeah. Good Instagram. I can't, if you're watching on Netflix and if you're not, go watch the Netflix or
16:10on Spotify, this video, I actually had Kim put up the carousel.
16:14And so if you pull up the video, you can watch.
16:17So she's like even lower underneath. Who's asking you here?
16:20Easy now. That's great. Get your mind out of the gutter.
16:23You can see on the picture. She's kneeling down too.
16:26No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, yeah, nevermind.
16:28I'm not going to say. I don't know. He's look very nice.
16:32One of these, he's Viking carrying her on the, yeah.
16:34There's a couple where it's like, what are you saying?
16:37The hot quarterback ranking. Girls just want to get picked up, right?
16:41Women just want to be picked up. He's got to make it feel small.
16:45Women just want to be picked up and Herbert can pick her up.
16:48Like she is a 20 pound dumbbell. He's carrying her.
16:51Slings her over his shoulder. Like it's a boom box on his shoulder.
16:55These are nice. Tasteful. They're in some beautiful green lush area.
16:58It's kind of a classic. This is a classic millennial.
17:01Where is it? It is a classic. I guess they're not even millennials.
17:04They might even be, they're like old Gen Z.
17:07It looks like Craig's backyard from the ice bucket challenge video.
17:10Craig just coming live from an enchanted forest or wherever he was.
17:14Oh wait, Kim, did you have the black and white photo of them of her just grabbing him?
17:19Yeah. Look at her just grabbing his face. Like she's like, never leave.
17:22Yeah. It's honestly like, I imagine that some Mike McDaniel also looks at Herbert.
17:26Like that's a rock on her hand too. Dude, that rig is so big, dude.
17:31It's so, that thing is massive. You forget like this man, I feel like, you know, you hear about contracts so often in the NBA, baseball and football.
17:38And they just kind of like start to wash over you.
17:42Justin Herbert is a, is like a 27 year old man who makes $50 million a year.
17:46So I can tell you right now, I actually, what is three months of a salary?
17:51Craig, isn't that what the standard is? I proposed a couple of years ago.
17:55I did learn a lot about the ring process.
17:57Let me tell you something. I'm going to throw out some numbers and I think I'm going to be right here.
18:03I think that ring, if I'm looking at it, right.
18:06I think that ring is at least five carats.
18:09And I think the ring is at least like, you know, there's lab grown versus like, you know, mind.
18:14I think that if it's like five carats from a mind, that's easily $250,000 just for the, just for the diamond.
18:20But then you're like, well, he makes two 50 million.
18:23So who gives a shit? Yeah, literally, but that it's like actually heavy.
18:27Like her left arm is going to get strong.
18:29It appears to be an emerald cut based on my, Oh, based on my research here.
18:34Nice. Um, Jackie is an emerald cut. It doesn't quite look like that.
18:37Yeah. Liz does as well. Um, good for them.
18:40Nice post. Kind of classy. I feel like Herbert doesn't show his face a lot.
18:44Like he's, he's always kind of hidden. I don't know if that's her being private, which I also respect, but it feels like it's very deliberate.
18:52It's like my brother just had this baby and all these photos they post on Instagram are just kind of like the
18:58baby's face is like slightly out of view. You know, they don't want the kid's face online.
19:03And that is also Herbert. Yeah. Never looking right at him.
19:06Look good for them. That's freaking great. Wait, what is, forgive me.
19:09Is Madison beer, a music star? What does she do?
19:12She's an influence singer. She's a singer. I don't know why she's a singer.
19:16She's a singer. Do you, is she more famous for the influencing or the singing?
19:20Like, I don't know. I don't, I don't know.
19:23I'm not sure what you mean by that. What does that mean?
19:26Is she more famous as a singer or the Instagram?
19:29Oh, well the Instagram, I mean, every singer has an Instagram.
19:32I don't know. You know what I mean? Like she's not making, she's not like doing sketches and jokes and like doing, you know what I mean?
19:40On Instagram. I feel like she's just a singer who, who is good looking, who has an Instagram.
19:45Got it. Okay. Got it. I'm just, I just, but I don't know.
19:49I think her varying levels of success for her.
19:51She has some songs that I think have popped a little bit.
19:55Others, not so much. She's not like on like crazy Abrams or anything like that.
19:59Got it. Well, Brock Bowers also got engaged and gotten under the fanfare, but I just thought it was interesting because that
20:05would mean Brock Bowers had to say three words or more.
20:08So I just was mostly, I wish he had been mic'd up for that.
20:12The only other news was I just did a whiplash.
20:15Jamal Adams, the safety sign with the Vikings. I could not believe he was still in the NFL, nor could I believe
20:21that Jamal Adams was only 30 years old. Which kind of both think he was traded for two first round picks like seven years ago.
20:28We don't talk about that. And yeah, I'll give you a trillion dollars.
20:32If you can tell me the GM of the Vikings who made this deal, who used to be at the Seahawks.
20:38Well, I accidentally just read it, but it's Nolan Teasley.
20:41Nolan Teasley. Who I probably had never heard of before he became the GM of the Vikings.
20:46I'll be honest. Nolan Teasley. Jamal Adams has been, he played last year, right?
20:50Wasn't he on Oakland or Vegas? Yeah. Yeah. He was on the, he's not like starting the league for a sneaky, a long time.
20:56I think that 10 years, I think Jamal, he's a lot more teams are playing three safeties.
21:01Basically they're like what he was always, which was a linebacker.
21:04You're a linebacker that plays safety. And like, that was not very useful.
21:08And now everyone team because of the tight ends, they're like, Oh, can you guard a shitty tight end pass protection that
21:14Sean movie is going to put out there? That's perfect.
21:17Like, yeah. And they kind of just need Jamal Adams to guard like Colby Parkinson, which he can do.
21:22So now he actually is kind of getting revived, but I think that's, he's the version of the third tight end that needs to be on the field.
21:30Him being 30 is crazy. Dude, the Todd Gurley being younger than Derek Henry is fucking wild.
21:35Is he really? Holy shit. Todd Gurley is only 31.
21:38Dude. DK and I made that bet at this point, like five years, six years ago.
21:43You were like, Todd Gurley will never play another down.
21:45And I was like, you mean, or I think you'd say he never signed another contract.
21:50He's not even going to be on a team.
21:52And I was like, you're saying play it down.
21:55You're like, no, he won't even sign a contract outside of a ceremonial one day retirement with the Rams.
22:00And I think we waited for, I waited four years to pay you.
22:04I think I paid you on Todd Gurley's 30th birthday.
22:07Whenever he retired. You just sent me a Venmo with no context.
22:10I was like, what is this? I don't know.
22:13Why is he paying me? The only other thing I, this, we had to talk about this, which is CJ Stroud reported to the Texans.
22:20And man, he looks like Bryce young with the bat.
22:23He looks like a middle school. We all stop wearing backpacks.
22:26I got a old basketball. Adam Sandler. I got a nicer bag.
22:29I got a work bag. You got like a portfolio.
22:32I don't know. I don't know about this. Look at that, man.
22:36He's just wearing the Adam Sandler shorts. He's got the Adam Sandler shorts and he's like, and he's wearing this backpack and
22:42he just looks like it's the first day of eighth grade.
22:45Yeah. Yeah. I think quarterback is one of the more fascinating positions in sports because like this man is an elite athlete.
22:51You know what I mean? Right. Like there was a moment where people like, this is the new face of the NFL
22:57and he might be the best quarterback in the league.
23:00You just have no idea with quarterbacks. CJ Stroud set the record for most consecutive three pointers made on the sideline of an NFL game while warming up.
23:08And he looks like a goofball here. Dude. But I don't know.
23:12You can go either way. Maybe if he's too manicured, looks too good.
23:15It's like, what do you, where are your priorities?
23:18You know what I mean? Like he's all about playing fucking ball.
23:21He doesn't care how he looks. Yeah. Exactly. You got like the Andrew Luck thing.
23:25Like devil may, devil may care attitude with your fashion.
23:28He got up, he put a white t-shirt on, grabbed his backpack.
23:32I was too busy winning. Walked into the, you know, to camp.
23:35That's all you want. I'm in. I'm back in.
23:38Oh my God. Okay. With that said, I want to get to siren song players for, for 2026.
23:43And this is inspired by the Odyssey. It's not a spoiler.
23:46It's fine. But there's sirens in the Odyssey. There's beautiful women on rocks.
23:50They sing. They try to get you in, in the water.
23:53Beautiful song. And we wanted to go through a few, I think this was like a perfect exercise for the NFL season
23:59because there are players that are just kind of like siren songs.
24:02Just honestly, like these sexy players that you're just ready to risk it all for.
24:07And then you kind of get there and they're just going to like eat you live.
24:11And you know, they're going to ruin your season or make your life perfect.
24:15What do the sirens actually do once you go to them?
24:18I think they make you crash into the rocks and you die.
24:22You can't even actually get to them. You die on the way.
24:25I don't know if you have sex with them.
24:28I think they just, I think they kill you and eat you.
24:31Oh, they, oh really? I don't know. Yeah, that was what I was thinking.
24:35Is it a spoiler? It's not in the movie.
24:37I don't, is that like a spoiler? Oh, the sirens are in the movie, but they eat you or let you starve.
24:44Oh, they eat you. Wow. Man. A lot of, a lot of, you know, eat, a lot of people getting eaten in these.
24:50Did you ever thought about like, just like you were watching those nature documentaries and just think about like, what if like,
24:56like a bird picks up a fish and flies away?
24:59Can you imagine if a bird like picked you up and flew away with you?
25:04Dude. It'd be horrible. Yeah. I saw a video the other day of whales doing these things to dolphins where one whale
25:10will hold a dolphin and then another whale will pick up speed and start flying towards the dolphin and then one whale will let it go.
25:17it was a tuna. Oh, oh, sorry. It was a tuna.
25:20Yes. And the whale slams into the tuna and the tuna explodes into a dust.
25:25Tuna dust. And then they just kind of eat around and just eat the dust.
25:29Yeah. And the report was like, they either do this for fun or they do this to feed their young in small bites or both.
25:36I was like, I mean, yeah, they're just battering ram tuna.
25:39Exploding to this dude. They, they fuck around with puff puffer fish to get high.
25:43They fucking punt seals. Yeah. They punt seals. They'll like, dude, orcas are there should fuck shark week.
25:48They got to do it. We got to bring back killer.
25:51I know. Orcas will eat the livers of sharks.
25:54Off the coast of Vancouver. I went whale watching last year.
25:57Saw a bunch of orcas. There. I wouldn't want to be in.
26:01Orcas are the apex of all apex predators. They are.
26:03They're just giant. Well, they're great whites. They're wolves.
26:06They're insane. They're giant wolves. They're scary. Whale deserves more respect.
26:09I think we need, whale needs to be in the name of a sports team.
26:13I think whale has this negative connotation of like a fat guy or something.
26:17Oh, look at this whale. Whales are fucking badass.
26:20And there should be, you know, we should have, it shouldn't have been the Vancouver Grizzlies, Vancouver whales.
26:25That would have been sick. Well, cause there was the Hartford whalers and they had the, the logo as a tail, but even that's the whaler killing.
26:33I agree. Whales are sick. There's so many. Whales are really cool.
26:36Hell yeah. Yeah. The, should we do football? You want to keep doing this?
26:40Cause I have a, how'd that come up again?
26:42Siren? If I start a new team on the coast and there's whales nearby, all right, Oh, is this from, this is,
26:49this is Luther burden actively singing to me. Put the wax in your ears guys.
26:53No, I won't. That is what Luther burden sounds like to Craig.
26:56Basically. That's correct. Just jump out of the way.
26:59Just jump out of the boat. I know it's a stupid analogy, but like the six weeks of training camp.
27:05No, it's all we do is hype and training camp videos.
27:08And it does end up with that effect where that's what it sounds like to be like, Oh, well just, I will
27:14be complete if I just take Luther burden. Yes.
27:16Do we want to start with the sirens? Is that the category we're going to think so?
27:21I will play the music. So what are we going to do and do that?
27:26So, yeah, these are the people who, I mean, it's self-explanatory, but like perhaps the hype is, is too strong and you're
27:32getting a little bit caught up in something that isn't actually there, but I am, I'm not putting my wax.
27:37I'm not putting wax in the ears for Luther burden.
27:40I want to listen. I want to be, I want it to wash over me.
27:45I'm jumping out of the boat. I'm swimming right up to him.
27:48I don't care if he's gleefully going to his death.
27:51Yeah. I mean, look, I'll, I'll pitch you all of the reasons why I'm in.
27:55And you can tell me why it's all a facade, but it's funny.
27:59Cause a lot of the reasons why I'm going to tout him are going to be the same reasons why I am
28:05against Zay Flowers, which is just kind of the perfect reason why I like a sexual, but Ben, first of all, just
28:11quotes alone, Ben Johnson, the way he speaks about this man who he drafted.
28:15This is what Ben Johnson has said this off season about Luther burden.
28:19When he gets the ball in his hands, he's a problem child.
28:22I am buying Luther burden stock right now. The way he's approached this season, he has been electric.
28:27You can look at like basically amongst rookies who have like a minimum amount of, you know, routes and targets and stuff like that.
28:34Over the last 15 years, Luther burden is like the second best rookie ever in, in like the yards per route run metric metric.
28:41It's basically like AJ Brown, Luther burden, Odell Beckham.
28:44And when you look at when Odundse met, when Roma Doundse missed the final five games of the regular season burden, led
28:50the team in yards despite missing a game himself over that stretch.
28:53And he had a 3.52 yards per route run during that stretch.
28:57And Roma Doundse was out. That is like best in the league type shit.
29:01Again, I know that like his style is a little bit more like he is designed to get the ball when he's in.
29:07And they would bring him in to kind of like manufacture touches for him.
29:11But DJ Moore has gone out of Chicago. He by far played the most snaps for the Freddie Bears wide receiver.
29:17And so now there's a lot up for grabs in that regard.
29:20And burden, if it was 2023 and burden had his sophomore year at Missouri, and he was eligible to go in the
29:27draft, he was going to be a top 10 pick.
29:29The mocks heading into 2024 were like, Luther burden is gonna be a top 10 pick.
29:34And because Missouri wasn't that good in, the situation was kind of a mess.
29:38And Luther burden had a down year. He fell to the second round.
29:42And so I wonder if Luther burden was just the ninth pick in the draft, because, because the 2024 season didn't happen,
29:48how would we feel about where he is right now?
29:51Looking at all his crazy, very efficient, all those small sample size metrics from his rookie season.
29:56I mean, yeah, I think he's like, hop off the boat with me.
29:59He's the type of player coming in. The water's fine.
30:02When you see him move, like he just moves.
30:05That's the other thing. Just watch him. You're like, I get it.
30:08He could, he should have been a six star prospect.
30:11Honestly, when you watch it with the ball, it's funny because like, I'm just looking at the receiver group, the 39th, 40th
30:17and 41st ranked players in terms of receiving yards in the NFL or DJ more, Roman duns and Luther burden right in a row.
30:24So I don't know what to make of that, but yeah, I do think just pedigree overall, you know, explosiveness and juice as a player.
30:31Whoa. I'm really sorry. It's almost through my keyboard.
30:34Got too excited. Is that you're excited? I swear that never happens.
30:37But yeah, I don't know. There is a lot to like here, but he is.
30:41If you just look at the ADP, if you look at where he is, he's going to have to draft it.
30:47It's like everybody around him has already done it.
30:50And he, everybody needs to cool the fuck off with, with Luther burden.
30:53ADP. I also have a cool name, Luther burden.
30:56Yeah. If he was named Luther, if he was named Michael Pittman, it wouldn't be that exciting.
31:01I think to get, to get slightly more real, like serious about the way that he's incorporated into the offense.
31:06I do like that. I think burden is the type of guy who, like I said earlier, he gets the manufactured touches.
31:13He gets the ball behind the line of scrimmage.
31:15He gets like the screen passes. It's very different than the way they use Roma duns, a who is like more down the field.
31:22And when you look at inaccurate throw rates, which Caleb has been, it's a little bit scattered.
31:27There's differing opinions about that, but burden by far has the lowest inaccurate throw rate from Caleb Williams, just because 20% of
31:33his targets are out or behind the line of scrimmage.
31:36And so it's like a duns is more high variance.
31:39And I think burden is like, you can kind of guarantee yourself.
31:42He's going to get like five touches a game that are going to put him in a position that he's kind of
31:48best to thrive in, which is just like ball on his hands in space and ready to move rather than having him
31:55do something that he's not meant to do. I agree with everything.
31:58I agree. The reason I think you're going to die on the rocks is just because when it's like Luther burden around
32:04all these other guys, I just like, I feel like Luther burden, it's not a perfect comp, but he is kind of the Jameson Williams of Chicago.
32:12When Ben Johnson was running the lions offense, I think he's kind of like Jameson Williams and Jameson Williams.
32:17Who's the Amon rock? You're saying that's Roma duns day.
32:20Cause I would argue it's Luther burden. I, I just, the idea that he's both burden is going to be true.
32:26I don't know the idea of burden going ahead of like Ted, a row of McMillan or like, I don't know, maybe
32:32I just, but then again, when you say all those things and then I watch him play football, I will say he,
32:39Luther burden passes the test of when the season starts.
32:41Do you want that? When you watch football, do you want to point the screen?
32:46Be like that guy's on my team. Yeah. Because watching honestly, cam just played again.
32:50It does sound like this. Um, this is like the white ships and Lord of the Rings.
32:55It's like, am I, I'm not giving anything away when I say that Odysseus decided to listen to the siren song in the movie.
33:01And that's where all the memes are born. Um, the, his reasoning for it was like, no one else has ever done it.
33:08So why not me? Yeah. I feel like, I want to see it.
33:12I want to see it. No one else. I could be the first guy.
33:16No one else has ever heard the siren song and survived.
33:19So that means I should do it. Like that.
33:21Your logic isn't making any sense to me, pal, but it's like Trump looking at the eclipse.
33:26You know? Yeah. He has stronger eyes. His doctor says his eyes are perfect to look at the sun.
33:32Um, don't you think at this, at this point in drafts, like, look, you're trying to pick guys who are, you don't want to get fourth.
33:39You know what I mean? Like, yeah, Garrett Wilson's fine.
33:42He's going three spots ahead of Luther Burden, Ted McMillan, Travis Etienne, you know, David Montgomery, DJ Moore, Terry McLaurin.
33:47These are guys going around Luther Burden. I don't think any of those guys are going to win your league.
33:53I think Luther Burden could win your league. And if he doesn't, you're wrong, but that's, that's fair.
33:58Garrett Wilson's a good example. He's a wax in your ears guy.
34:02Like that's the person you put the wax in your ears.
34:05Cause the training camp hype happens. And there's talking about Garrett Wilson looks good.
34:09Gina looks good. You're like, why don't you just put the wax in your ears?
34:13Just, you know, you're stepping on, you're stepping on my stuff.
34:16DK Wilson's ever had. Yeah. There's going to be a lot of that.
34:20Isn't he, isn't Garrett Wilson like a wax in your ears guy, DK?
34:23Yes, we will get to that. We will get to that.
34:27Just do it now. Well, you already stepped on Jameson Williams, who is my, my, my siren song guy.
34:32Oh yeah. Do we want to get to that?
34:34Or do we want to go straight into the other?
34:37Do Jameson. That's a siren. Jumping around. So you're, you're getting sucked in.
34:41What's different? I look at Jameson. He's an archetype here.
34:44He is. Yeah. He is the exact type of player.
34:47I tend to fall through, fall for because of the big playability.
34:50And like you said, with Luther Burton, like when he moves, it's just different.
34:54You love when the cars go by. He can turn any catch into a touchdown.
34:58And all in the burden, like the burden story is basically all he needs to do is play more.
35:04And I think he's going to score a lot of fantasy points with Jameson Williams.
35:08It's like, all you need to do is not be a knucklehead and you're going to score a shitload of fantasy points.
35:14And I, and I feel like this could be the year he does this.
35:18I don't know if you guys realize this. And then this is like part of the reason I'm talking myself into him.
35:24But last year he was eighth in the NFL and receiving yards.
35:28He had the exact same amount of yards as Nico Collins.
35:31He was eighth in the NFL. Yes. Last year.
35:33Oh, wow. Nikhil says that Jameson Williams and Luther Burton went to the same high school.
35:38Crazy. That's so shit. We're both falling for this guys, but I, I just look, we love really fast guys from that one high school.
35:45Yes. He's so fast. He's so much faster than everyone else around him.
35:49He just, he is, he's that, he is literally a siren song.
35:52I'm just like, I know that this is not going to be good for me, but I'm going for it.
35:58Look, the slamma slut shorts, not helping matters. Doesn't inspire confidence necessarily, but I'm still like, he's a little bit like Darius,
36:04Tony, not like to full on Cadareous. No one else is going to go full Cadareous.
36:09You don't, you never go full Cadareous, but like, he is just a little bit off, off kilter.
36:14And I'm like, I kind of want to be on that, on that.
36:17Yeah. That's like me with Scadaboo. I'm like, and obviously like, look, the lions have a very easy schedule going to this year.
36:24I think their offense could have a big bounce back this season.
36:27And it's going to be focused on the three guys.
36:30It's going to be almond, Ross, St. Brown, Jameson Williams and Laporta.
36:34And if they're off, what's different this year? Like, is it the same?
36:37We're just in the same. It's not a lot.
36:40I think it's not a lot different, but the thing is like, I think Jameson Williams was better than you remember last year.
36:46I mean, he finished as the, it was like the wide receiver, 18 on the year.
36:51You know, he was like, just, he basically scored almost the same amount of points as CD lamb and a game per game basis.
36:58I just feel like he's a little underrated and I'm getting sucked in to just looking at all these stats.
37:03I'm like, man, I think this could be a big year for him.
37:07But I, I also kind of know it's probably not going to be good for me.
37:12I mean, he is a real, he's the definition of like a Twitter hype guy.
37:16I feel like every year you read lions are going to get Jameson Williams, the ball a little bit more.
37:21He's making the leap. I know we said he was making the leap last year, but he looks different this year in camp.
37:28They do that every year. I'm going to think he's going to make the leap every year until he retires.
37:34So the reason I think DK could be right about Jameson Williams.
37:37And the reason I'm a little more partial to it is that, so the lions obviously, and these guys are related Luther
37:43bird and James Williams, because Ben Johnson was the lines office coordinator for three years and then made them one of the,
37:49as DK always say the most aesthetically pleasing offense ever.
37:52Yeah. And then Ben Johnson laughed in the bears offense, really figured themselves out over the second half of the season.
37:58Kind of a lot of comebacks, a lot of, they figured it out after the first three quarters ended, but Jameson Williams,
38:05they had this guy, John Morton replaced Ben Johnson as the offensive coordinator in Detroit.
38:09And John Morton, Dan Campbell took play calling from him midway through the season.
38:13And then they fired John Morton at the end of the year, but Dan Campbell took play calling from John Morton.
38:19Basically. Cause John Morton could not figure out how to get James Williams, the football and Dan Campbell loves James Williams, and
38:25they could not get James Williams, the football. And so when John Morton half with the first half of the season, when
38:31John Morton was calling plays, James Williams had 350 yards.
38:34And then after Dan Campbell took over, he literally had more than double the yards in the second half of the season.
38:40James Williams went from 350 to over 750 from first half, second half.
38:44Cause Dan Campbell was calling plays the first. I mean, it's Washington.
38:47Their defense was tough, but the first game, Dan Campbell took over.
38:51James Williams had seven targets for 119 yards and a touchdown.
38:54And the rest of the season, he was a larger part.
38:57So I think that there is a world where the lions and also there are other, they're going to have Isaac to
39:03slide as like a starting X receiver and three receiver sets.
39:06I think he's like a shot guy, but not a big target guy.
39:10I do think it's going to be like a Monra, Jameson and Gibbs are the only parts of this passing game.
39:16So I think that I could, I, I I'm a little more lured by Jameson, especially because he's cheaper, which is crazy to me than Luther burden.
39:24I get it. I do get it. DK. He's the wide, he's going as the, according to ADP, the wide receiver 27.
39:30Yeah. And he finished last year as the wide receiver 18.
39:33It's just like, they're so set when they have the ball in the hands, you feel invincible.
39:38Yeah. When he, when they're holding the ball, you feel so smart.
39:41Like it's going to happen here. This is it.
39:44Just get him, just get him two more targets a game.
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40:25Since we mentioned it, I do want to, do you want to, should we mention the guy you mentioned?
40:31Cause the guy, they're going right around Garrett Wilson and you mentioned it, but Garrett Wilson is the opposite of this, which
40:37is a, instead of drinking in the hype and diving in the water, it's Garrett Wilson.
40:41I think of the jet. Yeah. Put the wax in your ears, be disciplined.
40:45Don't, don't get sucked into this. I don't care what they say during, uh, during the OTAs, during training camp, during preseason.
40:51I don't care how many targets he gets. I am going to try and avoid the jets altogether this year.
40:57Uh, the jets, you know that did you, you guys have seen office space, right?
41:01You know, the scene where he goes in to get hypnotized cause he's just having a hard time.
41:07He's like, so sitting in my cubicle today. And I realized ever since I started working every single day of my life
41:13has been worse than the day before it. So that means every single day that you see me, that's the worst day of my life.
41:20So it's today the worst day of your life.
41:22Yeah. Wow. That's messed up. Um, that's kind of how I feel about the jets.
41:27Like whenever you think it can sink any further, it's like, God, this, this is really happening for the jets.
41:32I feel terrible for the jets. The jets fans deserve better.
41:35Um, that being said, I don't want to get on that ride and be a part of the jets in any way.
41:42Every day is the worst day of their life.
41:44I, I tried to do this last year with Gino Smith and it was an abject failure.
41:49It was a disaster. And I still liked, you know, I want him to bounce back, but I also don't want to
41:55have any skin in the game on that. Hope.
41:58You know what I mean? No, you just, you can't be involved.
42:01Even if you like pull up Garrett Wilson stats, you can, you can start to talk yourself into it.
42:07You're like, well, you know, last year he was hurt.
42:09year before that, a hundred catches, 1100 yards, like seven touchdowns.
42:13That's not so bad. He's never had less than 83 touch catches in a full season.
42:17Like Gino's the best quarterback he's ever had in theory.
42:20Fuck all that. Don't do any of that. Yeah.
42:22This is why we needed to do this episode.
42:25Is there are some players you're going to hear all this hype and you're like fucking literally, it's better to learn nothing
42:31over the next six weeks than to talk yourself into just close your ears, close your eyes and pop back out at
42:38the end of August and do a draft. Wait, didn't someone just said it, we had a group chat.
42:43Didn't someone just text the quote Plaxico Burris had about the jets.
42:46Oh yeah, I said that. Yeah. What can you mean?
42:49Plaxico Burris. Again, this is underdog tweeted this. I'm assuming it's correct.
42:53Plaxico Burris compared playing with the jets to prison.
42:55He said, they're both kind of similar because when I walked into prison on my first day, I was like, damn, man, you're a fucking loser.
43:02And I had the same feeling when I walked through the door of the jet.
43:07Brutal. Dude. Wow, that's messed up. I feel like, and I know jets fans kind of hate me because I dig at
43:13them a lot, but I will say it all seriousness.
43:16This is a, this is coming from a giants fan.
43:19I am very bullish on the jets. Actually long term.
43:21Look, the fish rots from the head. As long as Woody Johnson's running the team, you're going to have problems.
43:27I, but they have three first round picks next year.
43:30Like the jets, they have the only team with a truly young, talented offensive line that over a five year period looks really good.
43:37Along with a small group of teams. Having said that, there's just so many things that like, if I've learned anything in fantasy, just, just walk away.
43:44Aaron Glenn is absolutely a lame duck head coach.
43:47Like he got called to Woody Johnson's, the owner's house three weeks after the season ended, had to stay there and then
43:53like defended his job and then left. And then fired a third of the staff three weeks after he go, go to the guy's house.
44:00That's a bad sign. Aaron Glenn is a lame duck.
44:03He's not going to be the coach of whatever quarterback they draft next year.
44:07No fucking shot. Then he was forced to hire Frank Reich who has been out of the league for the last two seasons.
44:14And the last two jobs he had in the NFL, he was fired in the middle of the year.
44:19Frank Reich has not had a positive impact on an NFL team since COVID in 2020.
44:24He's running the offense and all to just rehash a quarterback that they got rid of 12 years ago.
44:29Like they got rid of Gino Smith 12 years ago with a coordinator who's not been in the NFL for two years
44:35with a coach that is like almost certainly going to get fired at the end of the season.
44:40This will never work. It has no chance of working and I won't be sucked into it.
44:45I know Frank Reich is 64 years old. Is that the oldest play caller in the NFL?
44:50Andy Reid. Yeah. Again, Andy, like Andy, well, Andy Reid was just going to three Super Bowls in a row.
44:56Frank Reich, also he went to Stanford. Stanford was horrible.
44:58Like he wasn't even good in college. Like you miss a lot if you miss two seasons.
45:03It's a shame that Gino's on the Jets because it is almost like what happened in Seattle never happened.
45:09You know, like I'm almost already forgetting that Gino Smith revitalized his career.
45:12And now when I think of him, I'm just like, oh, yeah, Jets, Raiders, Jets.
45:17The Raiders this last year kind of. Now I'm like, oh, Gino's on the Jets.
45:21Nothing's changed. I mean, yeah. And it's not been a good start to him in New York either.
45:26There's like. Oh, yeah. He has things off the.
45:28If Gino Smith, 12 years after the Jets got rid of him, successfully revives with Frank Reich two years out of the
45:35NFL and Aaron Glenn as a lame duck. Then you know what?
45:38I guess I won't win my fantasy league. Like, I think also key.
45:42Just like maybe let's talk about it from a more positive point of view, even if he is like better and makes the offense better.
45:49There's actually a lot of people. There's a lot of mouths to feed in this offense.
45:53Now they got Garrett Wilson, who's been awesome in his career.
45:57But I, you know, again, just don't want to be on that ride.
46:00But they just drafted Omar Cooper and Kenyon Sadiq in the first round of the draft this year.
46:05And they also have Adonai Mitchell, A.D. Mitchell, who's been getting a lot of praise, you know, which is, again, kind of nerve wracking.
46:12They have Mason Taylor. I'd rather take a shot at A.D.
46:15Mitchell off like the last pick in my draft than Garrett Wilson.
46:19If you want a piece of the Jets, take A.D.
46:21Mitchell, not Garrett Wilson. Honestly, yeah. The third or fourth round or whatever it is.
46:26So I'm just like, I don't want to talk myself into this.
46:29They like I can. I know that there are ways I can talk myself into this because I'm like, I like Gino.
46:35He was good with the Seahawks. They have a good offensive line.
46:39I'm putting the wax in my ears and I'm just going to avoid it.
46:43Would you guys rather have a version of wax in the ears?
46:46Would you guys rather have Garrett Wilson or Luther Burden straight up?
46:50Burden because Burden is a talented. Garrett Wilson's also talented.
46:52Burden's a talented player on a great team with a great coach and a great quarterback.
46:57And the Jets have none of those things. Yeah, I think so.
47:00Who's your wax? You don't sound as confident. My wax is going to be Zay Flowers.
47:05And I want to talk this out with you guys because I feel like there's been a lot of Zay Flowers buzz already on social media.
47:12There was like a Jesse Minter sat down for it was on some podcast.
47:16And now it's like you can't read an article about the Ravens without seeing a quote from that fucking podcast that Jesse Minter did.
47:23He said about Zay Flowers, he's not just a slot guy.
47:26He's not just an outside guy. He's not just a gadget guy.
47:29He can do everything. I look forward to getting him the ball as many ways as possible.
47:34We're better when he has the ball in his hands.
47:37And everyone's like, you know, Declan Doyle is their new OC.
47:40Declan Doyle is younger than Heifetz and Ice, 30 years old.
47:43That's wild. It's Jamal Adams' age. Is he older than, is he younger than Jimmy Stones, James Gladstone?
47:48Oh, for sure. Stones is like 35. Oh, wow.
47:51Gladstone just looks 19. Gladstone looks Ben Solak's age.
47:54He's 36? Gladstone, for those of you who don't know, the Jam of the Jaguars, when he stepped up to the podium,
48:00there's no photo of him at the combine. I thought he was the PR intern adjusting the mic.
48:05He was wearing like a pleasure stuff. Yeah. So Declan Doyle, you know, this new, the reports coming out of camp with him, by the way, also glowing.
48:13The way that Lamar Jackson and Zay Flowers and Mark Andrews are talking about Declan Doyle, they've called him a genius.
48:19He sees things that I never have. Him teaching us that details matter and creativity is just mind-blowing, which kind of makes me worried about Harbaugh, John Harbaugh.
48:27I'm like, them being like, yeah, Declan Doyle is really teaching us how important details are.
48:31I'm like, the reading, the read between the lines quotes are great.
48:35Mark Andrews was like, yeah, the details are just, it's interesting, you know, how important details are.
48:40The New York Giants. He didn't know he was supposed to do a speech.
48:43Also, Zay Flowers on a different pod. Zay Flowers was on Leonard Fournette and, why am I blank on his name?
48:49Landry, the receiver. Jarvis Landry. Jarvis Landry. Yeah, there's an LSU pod, there's a Bama pod.
48:54Fournette and Landry have a pod and Zay Flowers was on it.
48:57And Flowers was like talking about how Harbaugh made everybody practice super hard all season.
49:02He's like, it was week 17 and we were still doing like hitting drills one-on-ones.
49:06Like, it was brutal. We were all so tired and hurt.
49:09And he was like, Minter told me and Declan Doyle told me that like, we're not going to be doing that.
49:15And we're going to make it a lot easier on you guys.
49:18And I was like, fuck, Harbaugh. Yeah, there are two teams that are hurt all the time.
49:23And it's the Ravens and the 49ers. And everyone's like, I'm not to pick on Kyle Shanahan after he almost died in his car accident.
49:30But like Shanahan and Harbaugh, along with the Chiefs, run like the two hardest training camps in the NFL.
49:36And I get what they're trying to do where they build guys up.
49:39But also those teams are absolutely battered and destroyed.
49:42People are like, why does the substation get all the Niners hurt?
49:45I'm like, maybe it's the crazy intense physical practices that they have all year.
49:49Think about how the grit these guys have, though.
49:52Yeah, they have so much grit. They're great at rehabbing.
49:55So anyway, glowing reports from the coaching staff. And Zay Flowers is like this, like, he's going to be the beneficiary of this new coaching staff.
50:02He turns 26 years old in September, Zay Flowers.
50:05He's entering his fourth year in the league. He's never had more than five touchdowns in a season.
50:10He basically has like 75 catches, 1,000-ish yards, five touchdowns every year.
50:13That's kind of his thing. Last year, he was the wide receiver 14.
50:17And if you just look at that as a blank number, you're like, wow, wide receiver 14.
50:22But when you really dig into it, he only scored 11 and a half fantasy points a game, which would have been
50:28the wide receiver 25 the year before. Like, the number of wide receiver 14 doesn't accurately represent, like, how well he was doing.
50:34As someone who had Zay Flowers, he was fucking useless.
50:37Because most of his points were week one, where you probably weren't playing him.
50:41And then week 18 was his best game of the season.
50:44From week two to week 14, he was basically useless.
50:47I did it. Like, eight, nine points. Oh, did you really?
50:50And then even, like, you look at his last two years.
50:53So after his rookie season, his last two years on average, he's a wide receiver 29 in points.
50:58He's 29th in targets per game. He's 34th in receiving touchdowns.
51:02He's 50th in red zone targets among just wide receivers.
51:04That number is staggering. When you look at who he's next to.
51:08So the last two years, Zay Flowers, 50th in red zone targets.
51:11He has the same amount of red zone targets in the last two years as Alan Lazard, Tim Patrick, and Andre Yoshivas.
51:17Oh! That's wild. He's just non-existent. He gets one end zone target every three weeks.
51:22It's brutal. And on the other side, you're like, well, his target rate was 5th in the NFL last year.
51:27His yards per route run were 7th. Like, he's clearly a talented guy.
51:31He had the 6th most yards. Totally. So I can't really.
51:34But it's in the context. So I feel strongly about this.
51:37Please put the asses on it. The guy doesn't score touchdowns.
51:40He doesn't score touchdowns. I feel stronger about this than any player this season, which if it's been any indication suggests you should take Zay Flowers.
51:48Because sometimes the player I hate the most means I'm always wrong.
51:51Except when it's Christian McCaffrey and Saquon. Other than those people.
51:54But Zay Flowers, I feel that the 6th in yards, all that stuff is in the context of that Rich Rebar, that great article at Warren Sharpe's website.
52:02He's 6th in yards in the lowest season for receiver yardage in 10 years.
52:06And the second lowest receiver yardage since fantasy football has been on the internet.
52:10That's why I'm saying the wide receiver 14 thing last year is not really happening.
52:14It's not real. And it doesn't matter if you're like 6th in receiving yardage if you have no touchdowns.
52:20When the point is, touchdowns are proportionally a higher percentage of receiver scoring than ever.
52:24And so, yeah, you're getting some yardage. That's cool.
52:27But if you, again, there is so much that goes into this.
52:30But I thought, Craig, you put it very simply a few episodes ago.
52:34Two years ago, Lamar Jackson threw 44 goddamn touchdowns.
52:36And Zay Flowers got four of the 44. And it's largely the same team.
52:40It's kind of like Dallas Goddard and the Eagles where he would have four touchdowns, three or four touchdowns every year.
52:46And the one year randomly had 10. And it's like a dice roll.
52:50There's a dice roll season where one of the six outcomes is Zay Flowers randomly has 11 touchdowns this year.
52:55But every other season, he's going to just have four because he's going to get one end zone target because he's with Derek Henry.
53:02He's the greatest goddamn goal. Like he's always going to get the ball.
53:06And Zay Flowers is not a thing in the end zone.
53:09So maybe Declan Doyle changes as Zay Flowers is used.
53:12And I hate to just throw around the JSN role, which is just a fancy way to say, what if we try
53:18to get this ball, the guy, the ball all the time?
53:21But until that changes, and that is my fear of the blind spot as well.
53:26What if they just start giving Zay Flowers the ball all the time?
53:29But I am not afraid of Zay Flowers burning us until he is just getting more than an end zone target every three weeks.
53:36Also, he just needs to run fucking straight. Zay Flowers is quicker than fast and he's not as quick as he thinks he is.
53:43And he tries to beat everyone laterally. And it's like, holy shit, go north south, my guy.
53:48Like if there's one guy you're supposed to go around him, there's two you split him.
53:52He never fucking splits the two defenders. He tries to outrun two people.
53:56And you can tell I lost the championship. Well, maybe boy genius Declan Doyle is going to fix that.
54:01Dude, he runs. No one runs north south. He's like only fast players try to outrun guys, but he's the slowest person that tries to do it.
54:09The Ravens are like a tragic figure. When I think of Zay Flowers, I think of him trying to reach over the
54:15goal line and getting the ball knocked out against the Chiefs.
54:18And then I was going to say, you know, in the spirit of the A.D.
54:23Mitchell thing, if you don't want to, if you want to get a piece of the Jets, get A.D.
54:28Mitchell. If you want a piece of the Ravens, obviously, like I'm very pro Derrick Henry, very pro Lamar Jackson.
54:34But like in the receiving game late, get Mark Andrews.
54:36But the only thing I think of with Mark Andrews is him dropping like really high leverage passes, you know, games that
54:43can send them to the Super Bowl. Like, God damn it.
54:46It is insane. They're such a tragic team. Yeah.
54:48Zay Flowers, it should have been one of the greatest moments in football history.
54:52Like him just like goal line space, space jam, Michael Jordan for a touchdown.
54:56The Bills and the Ravens of the last five years are just brutal.
55:00Just fucking brutal. I mean, the Bills. It's insane.
55:02Yeah. 90s. My wax in the ears guy, I have to say, again, just in the spirit of just looking at how
55:09last season is and how the players played and then like what's going to happen with training camp and all the hype and it's already starting.
55:16The thing I'm going to just tell myself and I'm going to float through camp and draft this way to have him on my team.
55:23Ramondre Stevenson is a better football player than Travion Henderson.
55:26He will be a better fantasy football player than Travion Henderson.
55:29I don't care about the hype. I don't care about anything.
55:32Like you're going to hear all the stuff about Travion.
55:35Ramondre will start. Ramondre will play more. He will get the ball more.
55:39He will catch more. He will run more. He will get more touchdowns.
55:42He'll have more catches and he will play more and he'll have more fantasy points.
55:47And he's going later than him. And it's because everyone wants to fucking old yeller, the veteran running back the moment there's a cool rookie.
55:54Meanwhile, I don't care what efficiency stats or how fast Travion Henderson runs.
55:57Travion Henderson cannot block. And Ramondre Stevenson's a good blocker.
56:00And he's going to get the goal line work.
56:03He was good at blocking in college. He was not good last year.
56:07Let me tell you something. PFF grades are not gospel.
56:09But for this purpose, they suit my purpose. So I will use them.
56:13But the pro football focus. Say the quiet part out loud.
56:16I'm just being transparent. Pro football focus grades on running backs pass blocking.
56:20Which is, again, it's not perfect. But I think it's illustrative.
56:23If you just look at every running back that had blocked 45 times last year.
56:27Ramondre Stevenson's third best in pass blocking. Travion Henderson's literally last.
56:30Just last. Dead last. Dead last. And is that like a perfect representation?
56:34No. Is it gospel? No. Is that significant when Drake May is the essence of your team?
56:39Absolutely. And you know what? That came up. When the Patriots needed to grind out a game, the AFC Championship game versus the Broncos, you know what happened?
56:47Ramondre Stevenson played 60 snaps and Travion Henderson played four.
56:50Who do you trust? I'm just saying like Vrabel doesn't trust Henderson.
56:53And maybe he will get such a better blocker.
56:56But what happens is then Ramondre Stevenson was a better receiver down the stretch.
57:00He's getting the long down and distance work. It's like you're like, oh, well, Henderson will catch passes.
57:05Not till he can block and be on the down for passing downs.
57:08He has to beat Ramondre at the goal line.
57:11I think it'll be a split slightly favoring Ramondre at the goal line.
57:15And Ramondre is going to get the passing down work.
57:17And I'm not saying Henderson won't rotate in, but he's a rotational player.
57:21And Ramondre has the lead of this committee. And people want him to just disappear like Thanos snap.
57:26And he's not going to. Thanos. Fuck. Thanos. I really enjoy how very, very strongly you're coming in with this take.
57:32I agree. This is a very mature take. I don't think I agree with it, to be honest.
57:37I'm kind of waxing my ears. No one's going to agree with me for six weeks.
57:42I won't find one person. We're like the, you know, whatever.
57:45I'm right in the middle. Craig, you are staunchly pro Travion.
57:48I'm kind of like, eh, I think they'll probably.
57:51I mean, if you look at last year, they scored almost the exact same amount of points per game basis.
57:56And their touches per game were very, very similar.
57:59Their yards per touch were similar. Their receptions per game were similar.
58:02Um, I'm just kind of like, they'll probably have a pretty even split.
58:06I'm like very milquetoast on the Travion Romandre. I do think I agree strongly with Heifetz that we pronounced Romandre Stevenson dead
58:12way before he actually should have been. He's like 26 years old.
58:16But that being said, I do kind of, I land in the middle.
58:19I'm like, I bet they'll, I bet they'll end up scoring right around the same amount of points per game.
58:25Romandre is 28. To your point. First of all, I love Travion Henderson.
58:29He's a very, very fun, very cool player. I am just saying Mike Vrabel needs him to protect Drake May to stay on the field.
58:36And that matters. And to the point what I'm making.
58:38So if I, if we use like average draft position and best ball, which is not like a perfect conduit, but it's helpful.
58:45Travion Henderson's right now going 54th ahead of Jamison Williams, ahead of Tyler Warren.
58:49Ahead of Joe Burrow. And then if you look at Romandre Stevenson, he's going 20 picks later.
58:54So if you're in a 10 team league to bordering on three rounds later, like, you know, depending on where you could pick, he's going 20 picks later.
59:02It's Romandre Stevenson. Who's going just like behind Tony Pollard, Tucker Kraft, Jordan Tyson, Dak.
59:06Like who's like the ninth quarterback. Like he's going around Trevor Lawrence, like DK Metcalf, much more palatable players to be passing on.
59:13And what I'm saying is that just, if you told me I could have, I'd rather have, I could take Jamison Williams.
59:19And still get Romandre Stevenson. Or you could take Travion Henderson and you'd get like Cortland Sutton.
59:24And to me, that's like a no brainer. I'd rather have Jamison Williams and Romandre.
59:28Yeah. And I know Romandre's not sexy. I agree with that.
59:31I mean, I think this is a logical line of thinking.
59:34I do. Right. I think I just think. It's not cool though.
59:37It's not cool. I think Romandre is like a solid player.
59:41I don't think he's like a difference maker in fantasy.
59:43I guess if you're just like slotting him in as like a flex or something, that's fine.
59:48I understand the idea of me. I almost like you saying don't.
59:52I almost believe more in the don't. Don't take Travion this high more than I do.
59:56You should take Romandre instead. I can hear Scott Barrett, who's one of our friends who always talks about like in fantasy
60:02football, it's like you don't care about batting average.
60:05It's like slugging percentage. Like you're trying to hit home runs.
60:08And like when you win, it's like nailing three important players is more important than like getting 10 picks slightly correct.
60:14And I think what Scott would say is that Travion Henderson, when Romandre got hurt, Travion Henderson was amazing.
60:19It was the Jets. But like he's unbelievable. And Travion Henderson has way better odds to be a top five running back than Romandre does.
60:26Yeah. But also he's not. I just don't think.
60:29Romandre's not. I don't know. He's not going to disappear.
60:32He's only 28. Remember when Travion first touch of the preseason was a hundred yard kick return?
60:37Everyone lost their goddamn minds. And then you know what happened?
60:40He barely fucking played. I don't know. It's just always funny how that works.
60:44He was released. I picked him up in the Ringer Fantasy League.
60:47Like Travion got cut. I will say he had obviously a lot of explosive plays his rookie season.
60:52I don't think Travion Henderson jumps out to me just like on tape as like an elite running back.
60:58It's because you can't see his name. It's so small.
61:01That's true. Oh my God. I forgot about that.
61:03His name is so small in the jersey. Like compared to his former teammate in college, like I think Quinjohn Jenkins is better.
61:10Just like watching him play. Travion Henderson had a lot of 50 yard touchdowns where there was like an open lane and he hit it.
61:17But I don't. He doesn't jump out to me as like this guy moves different.
61:21His vision's not good. He's a linear. He's a linear runner.
61:24Yes. And I think his value in the long term will be in the passing game where he can bring to the passing game.
61:31Yeah. And creating explosives and stuff like that. But yeah, he's not.
61:34He I agree with that, Craig. He's not a super natural, you know, shake guys out of their their jocks in the short area type.
61:41Like I saw two games of Quinjohn Jenkins. I was like, holy shit.
61:45This guy, I think has something. Travion, I never weirdly felt that way, even though he was running 50 yard touchdowns.
61:51It's weird. I still think we should we should do this.
61:54We should like extract some players from the Browns and foist other ones there.
61:58Like to Sean Watson, go to the Browns is perfect.
62:01We don't want to care about him. We don't care about the Browns.
62:05We need other players to just get sent there.
62:07Jerry Judy is perfect, but we need to get Harold Fanon and Quinjohn Jenkins away and just they can keep Judy.
62:13And yeah. Yeah. Who would you send to the Browns?
62:16Who's who would you just kind of want on the Browns?
62:19All guys that I just want disappeared. Yeah. Oh, that's a great call.
62:23You know what I mean? Like not like send Tony Poe.
62:26I was going to say Tony Pollard. That's crazy.
62:28Yeah. Tony Pollard. I don't want to think about him ever again.
62:32Yeah. He can Bucky Irving. We could just send her the Browns.
62:35Oh, damn. Bucky. Send Bucky. Yeah. I know he's exciting.
62:38Rashad. I think Rashad White and Pollard would be a good combo for the Browns.
62:42Sure. Why Pollard? I don't like this. Pollard is fine.
62:45You're offended. I mean, let's be honest. Garrett Wilson's kind of already on the Browns because he's on the Jets.
62:51Garrett Wilson. Yeah. You can't send any Jets or Titans to the Browns.
62:54They're already in the Jets. Honestly, Marvin Harrison Jr.
62:57would be. I'd be fine with that. Wow. And then I'll never think about it.
63:01You've already given up. I agree. On that note, should we?
63:04Is he? It's not quite a siren song, but are we going to stick to our guns waxing our ears and be
63:11like, we're going to rank Michael Wilson ahead of Marvin Harrison Jr.?
63:14We will have to be like 40 spots off consensus to stick to their guns.
63:18Out of spite, I have Michael Wilson one spot ahead of Marvin Harrison.
63:22I did too. And I'm like, do we have a fiduciary duty to not do that?
63:26Nah. I have Marv. I have Marv slightly higher.
63:29It's like, is he good? Should we just be like, well, is there a world where?
63:34I think he is. He's just not as good as we thought he'd be.
63:38He did have a, he had a, he had a ball go through his hands.
63:42Like, I don't even think he was in a, like, he was just playing catch and everyone was like freaking out about it.
63:48It was like, it was like warmup routes and he just missed a wall and everyone's like, fuck.
63:53This is, oh, we're fucked. The season's fucked. Oh God.
63:56He's a bust. What do you, what do you think the best training camp piece of news was that was, was incorrect?
64:02Was it Jamar Chase can't track the ball without the white lines?
64:06A hundred percent. That is, I think to me that.
64:09That is all fucking time. That is one of the, that is one of those stories that is like sort of the
64:15impetus for doing this show is like, don't listen to the beat writer stuff.
64:19Like Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is having problems catching the ball at training camp.
64:23The greatest college receiver I ever saw with my eyes.
64:26He can't, he can't see the ball well because it doesn't have the white stripes on it.
64:31Dude, that, that, I think, I think these are, I think that, that story and us having to react to it changed until we all see training camp.
64:38It's just like that la la la la la la.
64:41It's just like, there are useful things and that's not one of them.
64:45Oh my God. Pivens, who is your siren song?
64:48We never did that. Oh, my siren. It's again, just the guy that like, I know I need to stay in the
64:54boat and I know these women, if I swim, they will kill me.
64:57Having said that, dude, Basial Tootin and the Jaguars.
65:00That guy is so fast. He's so sexy. I just want him.
65:03Again, this is, I thought coming into the season, like, well, really when last season ended, I was like, Travis, the artist
65:10running back formerly known as Travis Etienne is going to leave the Jags and Tootin's going to be like starter and he's
65:16going to be on every team I have. And I thought that was the plan for him when he was a rookie
65:22and they give him 93 touches or whatever. He's the only player ever to probably get 93 touches his rookie year and
65:28then be ranked within like 25 spots of his fucking touches.
65:32You know what I mean? Like he's going 58th in drafts.
65:35He had like 83 carries. I'm like, how is that possible?
65:38But like, then the Jags like signed Chris Rodriguez and now Tootin's going so high that it's almost like assumed that he's going to be like Travion Henderson.
65:46And I'm kind of like, OK, like this is a three man backfield because you know who?
65:51Honestly, if you know how I said the Travion Henderson stat was like 45.
65:54If you lower that number to like any running back who's blocked like 10 times, dude.
65:59Basial Tootin, not a blocker like Basial Tootin as a small guy.
66:02He's not a blocker. He's like, I got to be.
66:05I got to just be thinking about how fast I'm going.
66:08I can't be thinking about blocking. Nothing at North Carolina A&T or Virginia Tech prepared Basial Tootin for the AFC East.
66:14It's hard. The AFC South with the Houston Texans.
66:17I will defend the rookie running backs who judge for being bad at pass pro because they're not taught to do it in college.
66:24They all suck at it. Everybody sucks. That's why rookie they've been disappointing because they don't know how to do it.
66:30And I'm not trying to be judgmental. They're talented, but they have a different job now.
66:34And all that's to say is. LaQuint Allen is the goddamn long down and distance pass blocker.
66:39Some guys. Some guys are actually just really good at LaQuint.
66:42I think he's one of the better pass blocking and he was a rookie, so I guess maybe.
66:47Yeah, Chris Rodriguez. They signed for like no money and he's going to play for Liam Cohen for the Jaguars.
66:53He played for him in Kentucky and he's going to play.
66:56And I'm like, this is probably a bad situation.
66:59And yet. There's like four plays Tootin had last year.
67:01I'm like, oh, fuck it. Just get out of the boat.
67:04This guy's so sick. I just need him on my team.
67:08To me, the two Jags are so good. Like he's just like just he's Devon.
67:12The plan is to make him Devon HN. And that's dumb.
67:15You shouldn't chase that. Well, I was going to say the plan is to make him Bucky Irving from the under Liam Cohen.
67:21What if Bucky was way faster? Two years ago.
67:24Yeah. And so to me, I'm just like to me, the calculus on Tootin is less faith in who he is as
67:30a player and more like I want the lead back in Liam Cohen's offense.
67:34Yeah. He's going to score a shit ton of points.
67:37Yeah. Because even you look at what Travis Etienne did last year.
67:40I mean, he was really good for a long stretch of the year.
67:44So I think it might end up being Chris Rodriguez in Rodriguez has a history with Cohen and they did spend quite
67:50a bit of money relative to the expectation on him, but he just broke his foot and he had surgery on his foot.
67:57To me, that is like a bigger red flag than anything Tootin did last year.
68:01So, yeah, I'm. That's true. It wasn't no money.
68:04It was five million a year for Chris Rodriguez, which is not insignificant.
68:07It's also a guy who knew his system, which is like the Giants bringing Devin Singletary.
68:12It's like that's enough to kill it, but it's not like he's really the starter.
68:16That's a few years ago with Brian Dable, but like coaches do that.
68:20I agree. So anyway, Tootin's my siren song. It's a great one.
68:23It's a great one. I just. You talk like truly like a never done it guy around going ahead of like Drake May.
68:30We should all make a pact in the Ringer fantasy draft to all take our respective sirens.
68:35Have to do the siren songs. Is there another guy who's the go home to your who's the Penelope of all this?
68:41Who's the wife you're going home to? That like you're like, I honestly, I need to make it home to this person because for me, it's Derrick Henry.
68:49Yeah. Derrick Henry to me is like the point of this exercise, which is like, you know what?
68:54All these like sirens come and go going to ruin your life.
68:57Risk it all. I'm like, go home to your wife.
69:00Is that Derrick Henry? Like the Odyssey really is the ultimate go home to your wife story.
69:05Sure. Even though he kind of like it's not, it's not in the movie, but Odysseus kind of fucks his way home.
69:11Like he has children on the way back. Yeah.
69:14You know, there are, you know what? There's some, there's some, I mean 17 years, you know?
69:19Sure. Yeah, of course. He's only human, you know?
69:21Yeah. Come on. He doesn't want to, he doesn't want to have to worry about getting, you know, any disease, any like
69:27prostate, you know, he's got to, it's like half go home.
69:30He's got to do what he's got to do.
69:33He gets home. So you don't use it, you lose it.
69:36Yeah. It's like, there's no social media. So Penelope didn't know what he did out there on the open seas, you know?
69:42Yeah. How she, he's like, he's not getting tagged on Facebook.
69:46No. Again, Don Draper didn't have to deal with find my friends.
69:49Way easier back then. You know, it's fine. So much easier.
69:52Odysseus had an apartment in the city. Penelope didn't even know.
69:55Steroid era. He's fucking his way home. He was a little bit of a fuck man.
70:00Yeah. Stick man. Anyway, that's Derek Henry. The people to see, Craig.
70:03You know? I don't know what Derek Henry's been doing in the off seasons, man.
70:07I don't know who, maybe that's, that's what Derek Henry's doing.
70:10Every off season. Wait, so who you, you're taking Henry and not Ori.
70:14And not getting distracted by him. There's like the genties, the old Marion Hamptons.
70:18Yeah. Yeah, you should probably just take Derek Henry.
70:21Derek Henry's going over Marion Hampton. I, can I, do you, you guys can guess if you want, but I looked up
70:27Derek Henry's just average season since 2019. Oh, I bet it's.
70:30I bet it's like. You want to guess? 1,500 yards and 13 touchdowns.
70:3417 touchdowns. Yeah. It is literally Derek Henry's average season in the last seven years is 16 rushing touchdowns and 1,700 rushing yards.
70:40Jesus. That is his average season. I'm averaging a 17 games because the one year he only missed, you only really missed games one time.
70:47And that was like the best season ever on track when he missed half a season.
70:52Derek Henry's average season is 1,700 rushing yards and 16 rushing touchdowns.
70:55What could Omarion Hampton do? I know. And I'm like, he's going behind a Marion Hampton.
71:00Do you know how lucky a Marion Hampton would do to have an average Derek Henry season of 1,700 yards and 16 touchdowns?
71:06Like I just, this dude, all he does is score and run for 90 yards a game.
71:11It's all he does. There's almost no reason, real reason to doubt that he'll do it again.
71:16Correct. And on top of it, his best games are always in the fantasy playoffs because what Derek Henry's specialty is, is
71:22playing this, it sucks so much to tackle him.
71:25And he just feasts on these December cold weather games when the cornerbacks and the linebackers are like, you know what?
71:31We're not even in the playoffs. I don't give a fuck.
71:34We're all human. Like everyone starts quitting a little.
71:36And like, he just runs for 200 yards and these dudes all the time.
71:40He destroyed, he took the will from the backers last year.
71:43Going up against a team with Derek Henry, like going up against Heifetz who had Henry last year was one of the worst experiences of my life.
71:51I was like, can you stop handing him the football?
71:54And anyway, he's like a LeBron-like athlete. He's different.
71:56And he's so funny to me. It's like, if you just had Derek Henry every year, you'd be doing great.
72:02And here I am once again. Just take him.
72:05I didn't draft Derek Henry for a long time in fantasy.
72:08And I only recently started to do it after he turned 30.
72:11And it's been great. And now I'm radicalized. And I'm just going to keep doing it.
72:16And imagine if he could start scoring from the one yard line, how good he'd be.
72:20Oh my God. You know, now he's got a big guy who you want to block him for.
72:25Maybe he'll actually get it. I know. And that's the thing.
72:29Look, he can get Doc for not catching passes, which is why he's not a first rounder.
72:33And like, it's fine. Cause like obviously Bichon and Gibbs and McCaffrey catch passes.
72:37But as a running back, like he's really on kind of the best tear that we've ever seen.
72:42Like he's doing this all and not a rushing era.
72:45It's unbelievable. So yeah, that's my, that's my, that's who I'm going home for, man.
72:49I'm not getting lost among all these like O'Meara and Hampton siren songs.
72:53I'm like, I'm going home with my wife. I like that.
72:56My boring. Sorry. That's I'm phrasing this incorrectly. Going home to your wife who is loyal.
73:01And you're so lucky your wife doesn't listen to this show.
73:04Going home to Penelope, not hanging out with Calypso for God knows how long.
73:08Seven years. How long was it? Yeah. Seven years.
73:10That's a long time. That's Jeremiah. Love. Jeremiah. Love is the Calypso guys.
73:14You know, she's going to, she's going to be there.
73:17Calypso love. And love in the name. Yeah. Lotus flowers, baby.
73:20I don't want to, I don't want to become an Otis, a Lotus eater and hang out with Jeremiah love this year.
73:26I want to go back home to Dallas, go to my wife, Javante.
73:30Williams. I know it's kind of boring. He is, you know, he's like, he's not the exciting prospect that he was like how X amount of years ago.
73:38We all, we were all really excited about him.
73:41Then he got hurt a couple of times and it felt like his career was over, but guess what?
73:46He's back. And he's actually looking really strong going into the season on a good offense.
73:50He has almost no competition. Um, and I just really trust the environment.
73:54So, so, so much more. Um, that is to me, the big thing, obviously I think Jeremiah love is a great player
74:00and I think he will be a great player, but, but going into the season, I mean, the Cardinals were dead last
74:07in rush attempts per game last year. I mean, I think we have to kind of keep that in mind.
74:12This is a team that, uh, Jacoby Brissett tied the completions record with Ben Roethlisberger.
74:17I forget how many it was 50, like 50.
74:19I don't know what it was, but yeah. See, so I think it felt like thousands.
74:24Jeremiah love could be a big part of the passing game.
74:27I think that is certainly a, a possibility, but the way that this team is talking right now, I'm just like, I
74:33don't want to have any part of this. They have one of the hardest schedules in the NFL, uh, Nate Hackett, their
74:39offensive coordinator is already talking about James Connor and, uh, Tyler Algier before he even brings up Jeremiah love who he's, he's,
74:45he like talked about how he's a rookie and blah, blah, blah.
74:49I know he's just probably doing coach peak to try and motivate the guy, but still it annoys me.
74:54I don't want to be a part of that.
74:57I can't be around it. Um, I just think go with, go with the more established guy, the guy who's been there and done it.
75:04And that's Javante Williams. Yeah. Sorry. I tortured the fuck out of that, that metaphor, but yeah.
75:09Good. Jeremiah love. It's very possible that like one to two years from now, he's like the second pick in fantasy, but it's not, I agree.
75:16It's not this year. It's during the off season brain.
75:19When you hear the siren song, you just, you're, you, there are all these like reasons that you read or you hear
75:25of like why you'd might draft Jeremiah love over Javante Williams.
75:28You're like, well, Javante Williams isn't a great receiver.
75:31And like, oh, what about Jane and blue in the Dallas backfield?
75:34Then the season starts and you have to explain it to like someone or your wife or someone.
75:39You're like, yeah, like, well, how is the Cowboys offense good?
75:42Yeah. Like maybe the best in the league because the Cardinals offense good might be the worst in the league.
75:48Like the Cardinals weren't shot. They have the hardest schedule in the NFL.
75:52Cardinals have the hardest schedule and are projected to tie with the Jets for the fewest points.
75:57And then the Cowboys have one of the five easiest schedules and are projected for the five most points.
76:02I mean, it's as simple as that. And I'm like, just don't take running backs on the worst team in the NFL
76:08who are splitting carries with three other running backs.
76:11Yeah. My go home to your wife is Mike Evans, who's now in the Niners.
76:15And, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of sexy options around him.
76:19We just talked about Luther Burden. Zay Flowers is going like 20 spots ahead of Mike Evans.
76:24Mike Evans has had as many touchdowns in one season as Zay Flowers has had in his entire career.
76:29That's so fucking crazy. And I'm just like, yeah, he was banged up last year.
76:34He didn't have a thousand yards for the first time in a decade.
76:37But I'm like, this guy to me is going to, this is the lowest you'll ever be able to get Mike Evans.
76:44And he, I think he's just going to slot right into the Devontae Adams on the Rams role of like the red
76:50zone closer who's going to come in and he's going to have 10 plus touchdowns.
76:54And there's a lot of targets up for grab.
76:57You got Kittle with the Achilles. He's, uh, John Jennings is gone.
77:00Kendrick Bourne is gone and it's going to be Ricky Pearsall and it's going to be Mike Evans.
77:05And Ricky Pearsall has had a lot of trouble staying healthy.
77:08And I'm like in the red zone, I honestly think it's a decent comp of like Zay Flowers and Mark Andrews are
77:15kind of like Mike Evans and Pearsall where Pearsall might get some yards.
77:18He might be racked between the twenties. He'll be great.
77:21When you get inside the 20, same way Lamar's throwing a Mark Andrews in his prime.
77:26I think Mike Evans is still good enough and still has the talent to have just like 12 touchdowns.
77:31I've been meaning to tell you guys this. I was going to do this as a tank purge, but I'm just going to, it's not a purge.
77:39I just, I'm going to tell you right now.
77:41I want with you three to do it. Mike Evans, Christian McCaffrey, both score a touchdown every week parlay every week.
77:47It just happens. Yeah. They will both score one touchdown every week.
77:51If the Niners score three touchdowns a game, right?
77:53Which is reasonable. You're telling me two of those three are not going to be either McCaffrey or Mike Evans.
77:59Who the fuck's scoring then? You know what I mean?
78:02It's going to be like every week. It'll be Mike Evans, Christian McCaffrey, and then like Jake Tonjes.
78:07Like Kyle Uschek. It's going to be some random person you didn't really know was on the team.
78:12And once again, Brock Purdy is going to have 275 yards, four touchdowns, no picks.
78:16And everyone's going to be like, this guy sucks.
78:19And he's the ninth quarterback. Sorry. That's just me.
78:21This guy's ugly. Sneaky little shit. All right. The counter is Mike Evans is old and he's had hamstring injuries on the injury report for five straight years.
78:29And now he's heading into the substation house of horrors.
78:32So that's not great. But if you avoid that, he's Devontae Adams.
78:35Yeah. No, I love this. I think Evans in San Francisco is going to work, period.
78:40I mean, there's so many. It's like Luther Byrd and Jameson Williams and like Travion Henderson and all these guys going around
78:46him that are always like high upside sexy. And I'm like, Mike Evans is probably just getting 12 touchdowns.
78:51It's just a bunch of guys that could in theory around a bunch of guys that never have not done it.
78:57Yeah. Because like I was saying earlier, it's like you want guys who can win your league.
79:02So I'm not saying Mike Evans is safe because I think the 12 touchdowns is still a big upside.
79:08That's like the point here is that he feels boring and old, but his upside to me is just as high as like Jameson Williams.
79:15Like I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Evans is the wide receiver eight this year.
79:19Floor and ceiling. Yeah. Love that. I think that that is a good, it's a good take that he does have the ceiling.
79:25Mike Evans is Anne Hathaway. Rock solid. Honestly, yeah.
79:28Can't go wrong. Tasteful plastic surgery. Really can't like, can't knock it.
79:31Looks great. It's just really the year of Hathaway.
79:34She's in a bunch of Devil Wears Prada, Odyssey.
79:37Oh. She's in some like horror movie coming out in the fall.
79:40That movie she did the Harry Styles fan fiction that became a movie.
79:44That was great too. The Idea of You. The Idea of You.
79:47That was a good movie. I saw that. Yeah, it was all right.
79:51Yeah. It's a really steamy. I don't go fuck myself, Craig.
79:54No, no. I didn't mind it. Very steamy makeout scene between her and the guy.
79:58Yeah. That was like the most passionate I've ever seen two actors kiss each other.
80:02They were like making out. Yeah, they were kind of going out.
80:06Sucking each other's tongues. I was like, wow, these guys are into it right now.
80:10That's Herbert and Madison Beer. She's grabbing his face, just like squeezing him.
80:14Okay. What do the Brits call making out? Snogging?
80:16Snogging is what I was like. I didn't want to say something really bad.
80:20Yeah, it does sound. I feel like I'm not allowed to say that.
80:24It's either a box of cookies or like a slur.
80:27Yeah. You're like, what is that? It's like snogging.
80:29There's no way that's right. That's good. Box of cookies or a slur is great.
80:34The other one, snooker. That's a game. Oh, yeah.
80:36That's like tool. But also sounds kind of like cookies or a slur.
80:40Right. Anyway. Don't email me those. Yeah. I don't want anyone to email me those.
80:44Yeah. We don't want to play cookie or slur.
80:47No. We're not going to do that one. Snogging.
80:49That'll be for the Patreon. You'll have to pay to hear that one.
80:53I'm reading Harry Potter and I'm like, what do you call her?
80:56No. We'll do that at a live show and confiscate everybody's phones before they come.
81:00Yeah. Yonder? Yeah. We'll take the phones. Okay. Things left.
81:03I have a couple emails. We want to do Kingpin movie club and I have to talk to you about this argument.
81:10I have Jackie. All right. Great. I can't wait.
81:12So what order do you want to do that in?
81:15Kingpin at the end? Yeah. Let's do emails and then Kingpin.
81:18Okay. One football related email, which is after a running back episode.
81:21We got a good email from someone whose name I forgot to write down and I'm going to go find it right now.
81:28Let's guess. What do you think his name is?
81:31Mitch. Tom. Carson. Ah. Carson. Uh, C bone. C bone.
81:33First of all, ate breakfast was ham and a big ass ice latte.
81:37Hmm. Ham. Plain ham. It is such a window.
81:40Just a speck of ham. Like I'm imagining not like deli sliced ham.
81:43I'm imagining like a thick cut piece of ham.
81:46Yeah. Christmas ham. I'm going to the Outer Banks this weekend and the best move Jackie's family has.
81:51You know, honey baked hams. Yeah. Honey baked hams.
81:53They, which is both a type of ham and a chain called honey baked.
81:57And they just put a head. They have a fridge ham.
82:01They just stick a ham in the fridge and you just kind of rip it out.
82:05It's great for like a beach vacation because it's like, you want a little ham sandwich, a little breakfast sandwich.
82:11You don't want to make breakfast for everybody. It's a little fridge ham.
82:14A little fridge ham. That sounds like fucking Danny DeVito.
82:17It's always sunny. It's always sunny. Hey, we're going to the beach.
82:21What do you guys want to bring? Well, we have to bring a ham.
82:25Sandman perfect for the beach. We got to bring a ham to the beach.
82:29It's so good. Don't knock it to your tribe.
82:31Malibu, Dave. Hold on. You got your sunscreen? You got your towel?
82:35You got your ham? Yep. Sunscreens. We got the drinks.
82:37We got our ham. Well, wait. We need a cooler for the ham because it weighs 15 pounds.
82:43Dude, sometimes more. Do you have a perfectly circular cooler?
82:45Okay, good. Good. The only thing that can fit in there is one ham.
82:49Beach ham. It's good, man. It's perfect for the beaches of all time.
82:53Beach ham is fucking great. I mean, I don't actually disagree because I like snacking on ham.
82:58Yeah, just reach it, boom, ham. I disagree. I don't think ham is good beach food.
83:02It's the best, man. I want some cold hung of meat that I have to slice.
83:07Ham more than some other meats is kind of wet.
83:10It's ceremonial grade, Craig. Collecting dust and sand. Ceremonial grade ham.
83:13Ham. Ham is such a 1950s ass food. That's a funny word.
83:16It's like right behind roast beef. We're going to do – email us name brand off-brand.
83:21No, we're going to do name brand off-brand and we're going to do players name brand off-brand.
83:26But we're also going to have things that we're rebranding.
83:28So, for example, things we're rebranding. If you have an idea – better ideas for meatloaf.
83:33I think we want to rebrand meatloaf. I thought we already did that.
83:37Turf toe. No, we didn't find it better. We did.
83:39We talked about it. No, we went through it and we picked a name.
83:43Oh, shit. I forget what we called it, but we found a name for it.
83:48Send us then other things that need to be rebranded.
83:51Ham. We called it like beef something or I forget.
83:53Beef cake? I don't know. Anyway, this is not an email.
83:56This is a text from our friend Jackson Bevins at Cigar Thoughts who I asked people to explain boy math and girl
84:03math, which you guys have never thought of or heard of.
84:06And Jackson nailed it, which is, girl math is my wife spending $400 at Target, returning half of it, and then telling me she saved $200.
84:13Boy math is me skipping breakfast, having four whiskeys during golf, crushing a cheeseburger, and then saying my diet's on track because I only had 1,800 calories.
84:21It's honestly great. It's just two different ways to lie.
84:24I love it. Self-deception. Okay. Before we do Kingpin Movie Club, can I please tell you guys about this argument I had with Jackie?
84:31Please. Okay. So Jack and I both agreed that no matter what happened, you guys would agree with Jackie.
84:36So we have mutually agreed on the language that I would present this to you two.
84:40We are not going to show you who was on what side of the argument.
84:45Oh, fuck. So I'm just going to present. So just going to tell you what.
84:49So the argument's about pens. Retractable pens. Yeah. About pens.
84:52You had an argument about pens. Pens. With my wife.
84:55I got an argument with pens. So you know there are pens that you take the cap on and off.
85:00Yeah. Not talking about those. I'm talking about pens.
85:03The clicker. The clickies. Yeah. Clicky pens. Okay. Clicky pens.
85:06So the question is, and we agreed on this language, will a clicky pen dry significantly faster if you leave the tip out?
85:12Oh, that is a good question. Well, are we talking about a ballpoint or are we talking about, like, are we talking
85:18about more of an inky pen or less, or the other kind?
85:22Does it matter? Both. Like an inky, like basically if you're leaving pens out with the, if you're leaving a pen out
85:28and it's clicked open, it's going to dry faster and you'll pick it up and there'll be dead pens around the house.
85:34Is that going to happen? My gut says, in theory, I would say it probably doesn't make a difference, but I get
85:41the logic, I guess, if it's, if it's, if it's out, it's exposed to like air and maybe it's drying faster, but
85:47I would say it's probably doesn't matter. I'm afraid to agree with Heifetz on this.
85:51I'm trying to, I'm trying to reverse psychology. I would say, I would never argue that it would dry faster unclicked.
85:57I feel like if I had to pick, I would say it would dry faster clicked.
86:02Is Jackie listening through the door? Are you there?
86:04She's fucking there. You're there. Come here. Come here right now.
86:07You're listening. She's listening. I see the shadow. She's running away.
86:10She ran away. I hear, I see you. Whatever.
86:13DK, what's your opinion? Well, my initial gut reaction was when you unclick it, it doesn't like seal it.
86:18So I don't think it makes that big of a difference.
86:21Yeah. I mean, it's still touching. It's still open to the air ish.
86:25So out of curiosity, which one of these members of their household do you think are leaving clicked open pens around?
86:31You. All right. I'm going to tell you. I think I inadvertently agreed with Heifetz.
86:35I have been trying to sign like wedding checks or like things, signing whatever around.
86:39And there are these fucking pens all over that are clicked open and they're all dead.
86:44Every pen in my house is dead. And Jackie says it has nothing to do with the fact that the pens are clicked open.
86:51Yeah. And I'm like, of course, the pens clicked open are going to dry faster.
86:55And she says over the course of two years, maybe it'll dry like two weeks faster.
87:00I'm like, no, they'll dry. And so we got into like quite the argument.
87:04I think of common sense, the pens will dry faster.
87:06I think there's logic to that line of thinking.
87:09If I had to pick, if somebody said, hey, they either dry faster inside or outside, I would say, of course, they dry faster outside.
87:16Right. That makes sense. They're exposed more to the air.
87:19They're exposed to air. But it's negligible. It's negligible.
87:21It's negligible. I agree. Tell her we both agreed with her.
87:25They both agreed with you. Yeah. With you. Yes.
87:27She's happy. Whatever. Please email us. Can we do a poll?
87:30Like the pen? Whatever. Did you look it up?
87:33Should we look it up? Like Craig said, it's probably.
87:36You want to look it up? All right. I'm not going to lie.
87:39I did look it up. Oh, what's the answer?
87:42She's super wrong. I checked the pen manufacturers. I didn't tell her this yet.
87:46Yeah. Come over here. I checked the pen manufacturer website and they're like, yeah, if you leave them unclicked, if you want them to last longer.
87:53Like they say that on the site. I mean, look again, that, that makes sense to me.
87:58I don't know how quickly, like, you know, if it's negligible or not, but that makes sense.
88:03I agree with Jackie that it's probably like a two week difference over the course of years.
88:08Yeah. Well, I can't hear what they're saying, but I think it would dry out not significantly faster.
88:13Yeah. Right. Just a little. Like, and I don't care.
88:16I'd rather leave my pens unclicked. The manufacturers disagree with you.
88:19Wrong. They're wrong. Significantly faster is the key. Yeah.
88:21Do we know how long? Thanks guys. The difference.
88:24Thanks, Jackie. He says, do they know the long, the difference?
88:27I, this is of course. Why would they even?
88:29Whatever. You know what? You're right. I'm not going to change.
88:33You're right. Whatever, man. Guess what? I'm going to, I'm going to look it up.
88:37How much quicker do pens dry when they are exposed?
88:40It's not like you're sealing them when you unclick them.
88:43But it's the airflow. It's there. Sure. Which is like why we're evaporating for a little bit of wiggle room.
88:48I think it also varies a lot. Like ballpoint versus felt tip versus gel.
88:52All right. So I went, there's a pen. Jet pens, which is not ballpoint.
88:56There's a whole thing on the jet pen website.
88:59How do I prevent a pen from drying out?
89:01And it says, always cap or retract a pen when not in use.
89:05Ink dries out because it contains solvents that evaporate if exposed to air.
89:09Capping or retracting the pen slows this down. Slows it down.
89:12Yeah. And retractions or retracting mechanisms are not as protective as caps.
89:15Correct. Because they're still touching the air. Every pen in my house is dead.
89:19Here's what I'm reading about ballpoint. The oil-based ink is thick and slow to evaporate.
89:23So leaving one uncapped for hours or even days usually won't kill it.
89:27That said, the tip can still dry out and clog if it's left exposed for weeks.
89:32So if you're leaving them out for weeks exposed like that, Yeah, it's definitely out for weeks.
89:36They never get clicked in. Yeah. Why don't you just click the goddamn pen?
89:40Clicking them left, right, and center. Everything I'm finding is already dead.
89:44This is the dumbest argument. He was walking around the house clicking pens.
89:47Trying to unclick. Just masking. Take the pen. He's like, take the pen.
89:51Take the pen. Click the pen. Click the pen.
89:54Click the pen. I want you to have the pen.
89:57Sell me. Click me this pen. Anyway. Okay. I used all my time.
90:00I feel like both. People kind of lost in this argument.
90:03Jackie was like, should I argue about this at work?
90:06And I was like, should I ask my coworkers?
90:09I was like, please don't yet. I want to make sure.
90:12No. I was like, don't. All right. I'll say my will fact for another time.
90:16But let's do movie club. Yeah. Yeah. So we started, we did, we did, we did Transformers last year, last week.
90:22DK absolutely reviled it. And so this time around, we did a movie called Kingpin 1996, directed by the Farrelly brothers.
90:28This was DK's choice. Heifetz and I have not seen this movie.
90:31No. Had not. We then watched it. Right, right.
90:34I watched it. DK's wanted us to watch it for basically the entire time we've known it.
90:39Well, it's like one of those movies I quote all the time with my friends and it was important for my generation.
90:45I'm very excited to hear how you guys, or what you thought of the movie.
90:49I'm a little worried my hatred of the Transformers painted your picture a little bit, but we'll see.
90:54I went in with a complete open mind that you're entitled to your own opinion.
90:59I mean, I watched 80s, 90s comedies all the time.
91:01If it's good, it's good. I thought this movie was terrible.
91:05Oh, really? Yeah. Terrible? Terrible. I thought it was a dog shit movie.
91:08Dog shit. He thought it was... I didn't even...
91:11I didn't stoop to say dog shit about Transformers, even though that's what it was.
91:15Oh, no. You were really mean about Transformers. I just thought, like...
91:18That's true. This came out the same year as Happy Gilmore.
91:22Like, I thought Happy Gilmore is, like, 10 times more in this movie.
91:25Okay. Well, we're not comparing it to Happy Gilmore, which is on the fucking Mount Rushmore.
91:30I thought Bill Murray was the only redeeming part of the movie, and I thought Bill Murray was really funny, and I thought he had some great lines.
91:38Like, I wrote a couple down. He says, like...
91:40He says, it's a small world when you have unbelievable tits, is just an iconic quote.
91:45Or when he orders cocktails, he's like... He orders some gin cocktail, and he's like, keep them coming, honey.
91:50I have a long drive later, which is just amazing.
91:53Dude, I will say, the one Dinko quotes all the time is so funny.
91:57He's like, is this legal? I don't know. Sure is fun, though.
92:00Fun, though, isn't it? I don't know. I just thought the rest of it, like, a lot of the jokes were really cheesy and just felt fine.
92:08Okay. All right. Hi, Fitz. Lay it on me.
92:11I got to tell you, I'm shocked. I thought Craig kind of, like, had a soft spot in his heart for 80s and 90s movies.
92:18I'm shocked as well. I tried harder to like it because I like you, and I know this is near and dear to your heart.
92:25And I... Man, Movie Club is a fucking disaster.
92:27I kind of... To be honest... This is going horrible.
92:30Like... I'm afraid to watch fucking... What's the next one again?
92:33What is it called? Remember the Titans. If you don't like Remember the Titans, I'm gonna just kill you.
92:39I think I... I'm just not gonna watch it.
92:41I'm gonna come to Seattle and kill you. I think we're gonna stop this right now.
92:46Dude, this is like I did a book club with my friends for a few...
92:50It's unfathomable to me that you don't like Kingpin, that you thought it was dog shit.
92:55Wait, Hyphens doesn't even say what he thought. Unfathomable.
92:57I don't even want to hear what Hyphens has to say.
93:00I know he hated it. No, I didn't hate it like Craig.
93:04I just kind of had resolved... I didn't love it, and I had resolved to keep my thoughts to myself because I
93:10thought Craig was gonna like it, and I didn't want to be mean because I know you like this movie a lot,
93:16and I didn't want to hurt your feelings. But all I'll say is I did rent it on a Saturday night weeks ago, and I honestly just like...
93:24I just... It's not the... The problem is not that I fell asleep in the middle of it.
93:29The problem is that when I woke up, I didn't think about it again for like weeks.
93:34God. At least it was just two and a half hours.
93:37I just didn't... It felt longer than the Odyssey to me.
93:40Craig's being mean though. I think if I would have loved Transformers, you guys would have loved this movie.
93:46No, I... You're just doing this to be mean.
93:48I swear I'm not. Like, I watch a million random 80s movies.
93:52Sometimes I think they're great and underrated. Sometimes I think...
93:54I told Bill to his face. I thought that the National Lampoon Vacation, I don't think is that funny, and I don't
94:01think it's aged that well, even though that's like an iconic movie.
94:04Like I'm... Right. And then there's random shit that I thought was really great.
94:08I don't know. Look, it's not the worst movie ever made, obviously.
94:11I just thought like... Compared to like other... Can we put that in quote card and Instagram?
94:16It's not the worst movie ever made, obviously. Just compared to like all the other great 90s comedies, like I don't really think it's that close to those.
94:24Dude, Bill Murray was on a fucking heater the whole movie, though.
94:28I feel like Bill Murray alone is good enough.
94:30But he's not in it very much. He's not in the movie that much, which shocked me.
94:35He has like... He has like the last 20.
94:37He has like 40 of the greatest lines of all time, I think.
94:41I agree. It's like... He's like Anthony Hopkins. He's like...
94:44You know what I mean? Yeah. I agree, though.
94:47Bill Murray's awesome in it. There was more lines that...
94:49Like his whole Make-A-Wish commercial shit is so funny.
94:52The United fun. It's so funny. But how many seconds was Hopkins on...
94:56Sometimes Big Earth is here even before I wake up.
94:58Yeah. It's like Silence of the Lambs. He has like eight minutes of runtime or whatever it was.
95:04Yeah. I'm like... It was... There was a... I spent a lot more time in the backstory than I realized.
95:09And I don't know. Maybe I was worried the whole time I just have ADHD or something.
95:14And it's like, you know, I'm just like the pacing of movies.
95:17How long is this movie? I need YouTubers to make my movies.
95:21And I'm like... There was... Everything's so long. When I were in 54.
95:24It's not short. And I was worried that it was...
95:27I don't know. I feel... I wanted to love it for you.
95:31And I had resolved to quiet... I was going to keep it to myself.
95:35I think just like Woody and Randy Quaid and the girl on the road...
95:39I was just like... It just... It felt very like...
95:41One note the whole time. Like, I get it.
95:44I get these jokes. I don't know. They were all very like...
95:47I just felt kind of like... You know. Pretty genuinely crushed.
95:51Right. I gave it a two out of five stars on Letterboxd.
95:54I have to tell you this. I think if DK'd you like Transformers, this moment would not be happening.
95:59No. No. I think Craig's being predictive. I'm not.
96:02I promise I'm not. There's like no way that Craig would be crushing your favorite movie if you had not...
96:08Also, I feel like DK gave Transformers like a 0.5 stars out of five and actually...
96:12Because of Bernie Mac. Yeah. DK hated Transformers way more than we hated this movie.
96:16Yeah. It's true. It's true. You just never would have used the word dog shit.
96:21But in my defense, this movie is so much better than...
96:24To be honest, I used dog shit because Austin texted it, this movie was dog shit and then that was in my brain.
96:30Oh, all right. Well, I think we should just end movie club right now.
96:34No, you have to watch Remember the Titans. I'm not going to watch Remember the Titans.
96:39It's not going well. I'm going to fucking hate it.
96:42There is... There's no... If you don't like that movie, one, I want you to tell us.
96:46But two, I'll kill you. You said you're going to...
96:49Can I tell you something, DK? It's not even that.
96:52My mom would never forgive you if you didn't like Remember the Titans.
96:56My mom loves you and like... If you didn't like Remember the Titans...
96:59The stakes are too high. I just... I don't think we can watch it.
97:03I think we got to give up. I think Skippy...
97:06Like, come on. My wife Skippy, her inside joke is every time something gets happened, she's like, let's give up.
97:12I think we actually should just give up. Let's give up.
97:15The boob fight? Come on. That was not great.
97:18That's not the greatest spot. That's not... You know...
97:20That's fine. The Amish thing was funny for me.
97:23I can't believe you didn't like Woody. He was great.
97:26Woody's good. I don't know, man. I question everything now.
97:28There's a lot of good comedies out there. It's tough to make it into the pantheon.
97:33I'm shocked Craig hated it. I have to say, I'm shocked Craig hated it, and I'm shocked by this.
97:38Dog shit. I know. You're really sticking to that.
97:41I wish I didn't say that. I didn't love it.
97:44It's one of those things I'm just... It's going to bounce around my brain for the rest of my life, Craig.
97:50I'm like, Jesus. It's going to bounce around my brain.
97:52Did I like the movie? Not really. I'm never going to get over it.
97:56It's not a fucking disaster, but no, I didn't love it.
98:00Sorry. It's not the worst movie ever made, he keeps saying.
98:03Did I like it? Nah. I feel like I'm just a little bit more blunt with my language, and Heifetz felt the same way, to be honest.
98:10I had a good time. It's fine. I actually...
98:13He's fucking lying. Kingpin got 50... He fell asleep!
98:15He got 53% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is way worse than I thought.
98:19I had to rent it again! Which made me feel so dumb to rent it twice.
98:24I don't know. Look, here, I'll put it this way.
98:26We talked about this before, or maybe it was after I hated Transformers.
98:30It's like, the era that you watch the movie, the moment you watch movie in is very important.
98:35This was an important movie for me. The fact that Craig said Woody Harrelson and Randy Quag and that lady went...
98:41Vanessa Angel was very important to me as a young man.
98:44I would have recast her in a second, but yeah.
98:47Oh, God. Craig, get the fuck out of here.
98:50You have terrible taste. Do I? I mean, I don't want to be the one to tell her, but with those hips,
98:56she could only have like seven or eight kids.
98:59I don't know. To me, this was like... That was funny.
99:02That was the fun... I think Randy Quaid was the best part of the movie.
99:06Dude, Bill Murray, when he gets asked about this pending paternity suit, he's like, ah, she's a stone-faced liar.
99:11Let's not even talk about that. I pulled out of her really early on that one.
99:16I don't know. Yeah, Murray's great. Bill Murray is one of the most quotable characters in any movie I've ever seen.
99:22I think I quote him about as much as I quote Happy Gilmore, which is why I wanted you guys to watch this.
99:28But anyway, I'm devastated. I actually feel bad. I actually feel bad.
99:32At least... No, no, no. Hey, I actually will take away from this conversation.
99:36I'll take a positive note. The fact that you like Bill Murray in this is enough for me.
99:41I will say, you only quote Bill Murray from this for the most part.
99:45Well, because he's throwing fucking gas. And by the way, almost all of his stuff is improvised.
99:50They needed to find a way for him to be in the whole movie.
99:54I sent you guys this clip the other day.
99:56When he's in the diner at the beginning and he says hey to some woman in the back and then she's like, hey.
100:03And he's like, not you. He's like, hey. He is.
100:05The problem is... He's like, he improvised all this stuff.
100:08The problem is... Yeah. If I showed you my notes, the top thing is Murray is the funniest part of this movie.
100:14Then I have like three quotes. The problem is Craig's whole thing is what movies should be...
100:19Comedy should be 90 minutes. I was unprepared for a 90 minute stretch without Bill Murray.
100:24Yeah. I just kind of kept waiting and I was...
100:27I feel horrible. I don't like... I feel bad.
100:29It's fine. It's fine. I'll survive. I'll survive. It's funny because truly my generation, at least people that I talk to the most, love this movie.
100:37It's just one of those ones. It's a good example though.
100:40Yeah. Here's the thing. Even Happy Kilmore. I don't know.
100:43If we could find a millennial... I'm just saying though.
100:45If we could find a... We just watched it now.
100:48But we valorized that movie. Yeah. I don't know if anybody who saw that would be like amazing comedy.
100:54Yeah. If you had never seen it and then you watched it for the first...
100:58Totally. If you'd never seen an Adam Sandler movie and then you watched it at 31, I don't know if...
101:04You have to have seen Adam Sandler when your brain was not formed and then it'd be baked into your brain.
101:09And I don't know if some of these comedies are funny.
101:13If you watch it for the first time at 40, if you'd be like, oh, he's talking to Billy Mattis.
101:18Whoa, Mr. Penguin. I'm like, I might find Mr.
101:21Penguin and Billy Mattis a little funnier than someone who's never seen it.
101:24I totally agree. I think that's a great point.
101:27This movie... Yeah. It just felt like kind of stale, I don't know, predictable comedy.
101:31One of the greatest bowling movies of all times, guys.
101:34Like, dude, we just did... On the Rewatchables a couple of weeks ago, we did a movie called She's the One.
101:40It was an Ed Burns movie. I thought it was terrible.
101:43And I told the three of them that. And Wesley Morris agreed with me and Sean and Bill were like, you're wrong.
101:49This movie's great. And I thought it was genuinely terrible.
101:52Yeah. Ed Burns, not the Wire guy, right? No.
101:55I don't think so. I don't think he was.
101:57Was Ed Burns in The Wire? He wrote The Wire.
102:00No. With David Simon. No, that's not the same Ed Burns.
102:03Okay. Ed Burns is the... He was in... He was in Saving Private Ryan.
102:07But he wrote and starred in a lot of...
102:10Saving Private Ryan? Yeah. Yeah, he's like... Spoiler alert.
102:12He's like the one guy who survived. But he's known for making a lot of...
102:17Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rom-com movies in the 90s that he would kind of write, direct, and star in.
102:22Like The Brothers McMullen and She's the One. Okay.
102:25I... The photo of him with the beard caught me off guard.
102:28But now, yeah, I know this. Oh, yeah. I just watched 27 Dresses the other day, actually.
102:33Yeah, 27 Dresses. But, yeah, I didn't love that movie.
102:36It's all about when you see it. That one didn't escape me.
102:39I'm doing a lot of rom-coms with Jackie because I'm catching up on my rom-coms.
102:44And I watched 27 Dresses. I was like, this is not as good.
102:47My favorite rom-com from the whole rom-com re-education is...
102:50I still think The Holiday, unbelievable. Yeah, Holiday's great.
102:52And Love Actually is overrated to me. But I think The Holiday is S tier.
102:57I agree. Holiday's wonderful. My favorite rom-com is probably When Harry Met Sally still.
103:01I think that's the best one ever made. I heard, like, the phrase, I'll have what she's having, like, 20 years before I saw the scene, probably.
103:08I feel like I heard I'll have what she's having when I was six.
103:12It still hits. Yeah. Like, I feel like I just heard it as, like, a family guy quote, but I didn't get it.
103:19Reiner's mom. That's who said that. Oh. Oh, wow.
103:21DK, have you seen When Harry Met Sally? I have.
103:24I also like it a lot. I mean, like, I remember Everything Everywhere All at Once.
103:29The movie that won Best Picture, like, three years ago.
103:31Yeah. I saw that movie right when it came out, knew nothing about it, had, like, a religious experience watching it.
103:37I thought it was so good and moving and great.
103:40Then it got so hyped, it got, like, 12 Oscar nominations, and then everybody else was like, what the fuck is this movie?
103:47My parents couldn't even get through it. They turned it off.
103:50I'm pretty sure Bill hated it. Like, I was like, holy shit.
103:53Am I wrong? No, no, no. It's just hype matters.
103:56I have been waiting. Yes, but that movie, I've been waiting to talk to you about this, Craig.
104:01So Jack and I watched that right after the Oscars won everything.
104:05I told Jackie it was Craig City. It was his favorite movie of the year and in a couple years.
104:10Jack and I watched it with all the hype.
104:13We literally were like, all the Oscars, Craig's favorite movie.
104:16And Jack and I had the same thing. We were blown away by Everything Everywhere All at Once.
104:21We were blown away. And Jackie's parents had the same thing your parents did, which was they couldn't finish the movie.
104:27And I think that movie, I don't know if there's a word for it, and I still barely understand what the word
104:33cinematography even means, but something about the editing style of that movie, there is a generational cutoff of like whether you grew
104:39up scrolling or not, because that movie, there's something that people over under like 45, people over 45 cannot get that movie.
104:45It's like visually illegible because of the way it's kind of chopped together.
104:49Visually illegible. And also there's like, like the combination also, I feel like the idea of a multiverse is just like this
104:55plot device that now just everyone under 30 gets and people over 50 are still kind of like, what?
105:01And the combination of the two, but it's so, I do think people over a certain age couldn't watch that movie, but
105:07I don't know if there, we have a language for that yet, but there's this editing style.
105:12And it's not to be like TikTok. Like we didn't grow up with TikTok, but I don't know.
105:17It's fascinating. Also like DK, I don't know what's it like.
105:20I love the comedy accepted. If you've never seen that, you probably think that sucks.
105:24Oh, I like that movie. That's awesome. You know what I mean?
105:28Like somebody could watch that and be like, this is, this is not good, but to ask me about my wiener.
105:34These are jokes that you love. At this point, that's the only one.
105:37Craig's like, you know what? This is, I love the one.
105:40This comedy is too smart. I need something. Someone to say, ask me about college is spelled shit.
105:46Get it? South Harmon Institute of Technology. Come on.
105:48The shit heads. Shit sandwiches. I can't believe he shit on DK's favorite movie.
105:52It's not my favorite movie. Heifetz is distancing himself from me.
105:55Let's notice this in real time. Heifetz did not like his movie and is now being like, can't believe Craig didn't like it.
106:02Heifetz fell asleep in the movie. Yeah, no, I didn't like it either.
106:05But I, well, let me, let me rephrase. I liked it, but like in a way that I just would, like, I, would you recommend it to somebody?
106:13No. Yeah, that's exactly. I liked it. What is, how many stars is that?
106:17I liked it, but then I wouldn't tell someone else to do it.
106:21Two. Is that three? I wouldn't tell someone else to do it.
106:24I wouldn't subject them to this. I wasn't upset while I was doing it, but I, yeah, I was not upset, but
106:31I was just like, oh, that's good. This is fine.
106:33All right. I want to be clear though. You thought Transformers is like the worst movie ever made.
106:39I couldn't wait for you. Dude, if you watch it as an adult, it's terrible.
106:43I've been, all right, you know what? While I'm there, Transformers does suck.
106:47You have to be 12. What are you talking about?
106:49I want to pull back the curtain just a little bit because this actually made me feel better.
106:54After the, after the show, I texted the guys.
106:57I was like, I felt bad. Like I, I offended you.
107:00And maybe I went too hard. And then Heifetz goes, DK, it's a Michael Bay movie about a toy.
107:06And I was like, okay, I feel better. You're allowed to not like the Michael Bay movie about a fucking toy.
107:11You came in so hot. I thought you were going to be like, I mean, not really for me.
107:17I guess I get it. You were like, this movie fucking sucks.
107:20It's insane. It is a terrible movie. And it's, if you have to go for Megan Fox and just like the big
107:26robots fight, and you're like, I like cars. I kind of think that is based though.
107:31It's like, obviously, yeah, not an intellectually stimulating movie.
107:34At least it's like, I don't know. It's like kind of fun CGI.
107:37There's like stars in it. I don't know. Yeah.
107:40It's, it's true that like in the fifties, they'd be like, what is this?
107:44But yeah, it's also, I think, it's way too long.
107:47There's also not enough. It's like transformers fighting. I agree.
107:49Oh, DK, this is, it's true. It's true. They edge you with the fucking story.
107:54And you said that your favorite part was the story of Shia and Megan Fox.
107:58Right. It was cute. A meet cute. Yeah. Dad was a gearhead.
108:01A grease monkey. My dad was a real grease monkey.
108:04Oh my God. I, yeah. It's funny. That's not a movie I revisit.
108:08I did, I do. I did not like transformers and I don't generally like, don't love the Michael Bay style where it's like the camera never stops moving.
108:16And it's just like, ah, it's like fucking, you know, it's like what you guys are.
108:20Spiral staircase. Yeah. Will Smith. Yeah. But I really did like Armageddon.
108:24I really did like the rock. Yeah. I liked a few of his.
108:27Those are great. Those are much better movies than bad boys.
108:31Those are all better movies than transformers. Yeah, for sure.
108:33I don't think that we have to. Well, how many stars did you give transformers?
108:38Did you, did you say a half star? I gave a half star for Bernie Mac.
108:42So I give your movie two and you give ours a half and we're the bad guys.
108:47I didn't say you're the bad guy. You know, worse.
108:50He's not bad. Craig, he's disappointed. He said he's crushed.
108:53That summer movie club has gotten off to about as bad of a start as you can imagine.
108:58It's not like Kingpin is some legendary successful movie.
109:00I know. It's the Farrelly brothers and I grew up loving it.
109:04And, and like, not to be rude, but it was a bomb.
109:07Like, it didn't do well. Like, I don't know what you want from us.
109:11Is that true? I didn't even know that. It cost 25 million and made 30.
109:15Like, that's a bomb. I didn't know that. All right.
109:18I was too busy laughing about funny things that happened in the movie.
109:22I was curious though, because they didn't write it.
109:24But they directed it and they often write their stuff.
109:27So I found that to be interesting. Interesting. Okay.
109:30Um, cause like something about Mary. Great. Yeah. They wrote that.
109:33There's also Randy Quaid. Like, yeah, there was some of the Farrelly brothers movies just didn't like, like stuff on you.
109:39It wasn't very good. Dumb and dumber. They wrote dumb and dumber.
109:42I almost, and like, if they, if they write it, I'm in, but maybe they just saw the script and thought they could make it work.
109:50But dumb and dumber and something about Mary, them writing those is like incredible.
109:54Did you, Oh, Moses Jones. Did you see Hall Pass?
109:56Great stuff. Oh yeah. I have seen Hall Pass.
109:59I think I only saw it once when it came out.
110:02Was that written? Wait, they produced The Ringer. The Farrelly.
110:05Oh really? They produced The Ringer. Not to be confused with the website.
110:09The, no, the Johnny Knoxville movie. Never seen that.
110:11That's a great bit. You've never seen The Ringer?
110:14No. I have seen it. Oh yeah. Hall Pass, Craig, it was written or produced and directed by the Farrelly brothers and co-written by them with Pete Jones.
110:22Ah. And I also think it's kind of an underrated comedy.
110:25Not, not on my, not on my top list or anything like that.
110:28I won't force you guys to watch it, but I thought it was pretty funny.
110:33Yeah. Yeah. I remember liking it when I saw it.
110:36Weigh in on this. If you want to weigh in on this, we have the discord.
110:40DK finally figured out how to join the discord.
110:43It's taken six months, but Danny Kelly figured out how to join the discord.
110:47So the link to join the discord is in the episode description and you can join.
110:51And if you want to weigh in on a Kingpin or transformers, you can join our discord, which Danny Kelly is now a member of.
110:58And everyone freaked out. DK, there was a channel that they were going to make, they called DK look here in case
111:04you ever got in and were overstimulated. Oh, that's funny.
111:07Turn around and run. So everything that you needed to see was just one channel.
111:12Just for you. It's like, here, let me hold your hand.
111:15Like the Jerry Jones vault, which is for Jerry.
111:17I'm sorry. I hurt you. It's okay. It's okay.
111:20Are we, should we talk about the odyssey? Oh yeah.
111:23Forgot we're going to do that. We all liked it, right?
111:26Yeah. That was great. Summer movie club is back.
111:28It's texted me. I think it was a little more lukewarm on it.
111:32Do you, are you willing to say that on air?
111:35This is the hype thing, but my, it's my fault.
111:38Not Christopher Nolan's. I truly walked in there wanting the odyssey to be my favorite and the greatest movie I've ever seen in my entire life.
111:45And I didn't consciously, but I very much subconsciously was hoping that this will be the greatest movie I've ever seen in my entire life.
111:52And I didn't feel that the odyssey was literally the number one best movie ever made.
111:57And now I feel like I made myself disappointed.
111:59So you're saying I want to see it again.
112:02It was the second best movie you've ever seen.
112:04And that was a disappointment. I think the truth is I was too familiar with the story and I'd refreshed myself on it before.
112:11And I realized only later that one of the cool things about seeing Christopher Nolan movie is they're original and you have
112:17no idea what the fuck they're about. I think it's hard to remember, but like you didn't know what inception was about.
112:24There's a heist and a dream. That was kind of all you knew going in.
112:28Like didn't really have a clue what interstellar was about.
112:31Matthew McConaughey is a pilot. No one knew what it was about.
112:34You go in totally raw, totally original story, no basis.
112:37And I think that it was the first, even Batman, when I saw the dark night, I was never seen the other Joker movies.
112:44I was like 13. I didn't have anything to compare with like Batman.
112:47And honestly, with the, but he did Dunkirk and Oppenheimer, you know how those are going to end.
112:52Yeah. But it was more like, how's he going?
112:55Yeah, I agree. There's more, you know how the odyssey ends.
112:58You technically don't know like how he's going to end Dunkirk or how he's going to end Oppenheimer.
113:03I know the big sweeping Dunkirk, they're on an Island.
113:06And then we won world war two. I don't know what happens to it would have been funny if he completely changed the story of odyssey.
113:13Well, that's the thing. The odyssey I'm realizing, I made the mistake.
113:17Like Tarantino killing Hitler. Yeah. Exactly. Honestly, yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
113:21Where, but like the odyssey, I made the mistake of being like, oh, well, you know, it's such an old story.
113:27I know the story. And I brushed up on it.
113:30And then I just gave, I just knew the story really well.
113:33And I went in and I just had expectations.
113:36And I just kind of wish I had, I, and what I learned was I didn't know nearly as much of the
113:42story as I did, as I thought I did until I brushed up on it.
113:46And then I watched it and I had all these expectations.
113:49Giant guys were. That's the only thing I didn't know.
113:52I was like, I don't, I have no memory of these.
113:55But I had expectations and I, and so, but no, it's obviously, I'm also, I'm not saying it like it was a spectacle.
114:02I'm like, I'm not trying to be a yummy yucker.
114:04It was very cool. And like every, then like you see it.
114:08And then the algorithm learns that you saw it.
114:10And then you get like every video that's ever been made about Matt Damon, the six month press tour all gets fed to you in like three days.
114:18And like, it's cool. And everything you learn about it, like, I want to see it again.
114:23So I had a good time to be clear.
114:26It's my, I, my expectations were too high. Seven out of 10 for you.
114:30For sure. Chris, Chris for the Odyssey. I'd give it an eight.
114:33I wanted it. I wanted a 10.0. I thought it would be the 10.0.
114:37Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I think on spectacle alone, it's like, I started at a nine.
114:42Like, I think just based on like watching the movie and how it was made in the raw spectacle of like, holy fuck, this is crazy.
114:49Like just put it at a nine for me.
114:52So yeah, I'd give the movie like a nine point, whatever.
114:55I thought it was, I thought it was like a fantastic movie theater experience.
114:59Like as good as it can get. It is like true summer blockbuster spectacle.
115:03Is it your favorite Nolan movie? Probably not. I probably want to watch it again, but no, no one is so good.
115:09I mean, I also think like the way that we talk about are your relationship to movies and when you saw them,
115:15like I have just a real soft spot for like inception and interstellar, but I think Dunkirk is like fantastic.
115:21I think the dark night is fucking fantastic. Yeah.
115:24I mean, I like Oppenheimer, so it's kind of hard to say.
115:27Like, I almost just think like it's in like the tier of movie that Christopher Nolan makes that I loved.
115:33Like I would put it in there as like another one that he, I got to get to two thumbs up for me.
115:39Yeah. That's, I think that's where I landed as well.
115:42I really liked it. I think if I was really ranking all the Nolan movies, I would put Dunkirk and the two
115:48dark night movies probably in front in terms of just like the way that I came out of the movie being like, holy shit, that was awesome.
115:56And then Oppenheimer was very different, but also very good.
115:59I would probably put, I would probably rather rewatch the odyssey than Oppenheimer.
116:02Yeah, I agree with that. But yeah, I liked it.
116:05I thought it was great. I thought it was like Craig said, it was extremely impressive.
116:10Like experience, like everything is so big and, and grandiose and everything.
116:13It, it, it's just, he's, no one's really doing it like him.
116:17I guess maybe, uh, Denny, uh, Villanoia. How do you say his last name?
116:21Villanoia. Denis Villeneuve. Villeneuve. Um, those, those two directors to me, it's like when you're going to those movies, it's like, whoa, everything is bigger, larger than life.
116:28It's so, uh, heavy or whatever. I don't know.
116:31My only note on the movies, I thought it was, and this is funny coming from me, like it's two hours and 50 minutes.
116:38I thought it was like giant cameras that I didn't get to watch it on.
116:42Can't go for that long. And I'm like, well, my, my projectors wouldn't have burned out.
116:47and that's the thing I, I feel like, and it's weird because to me, I swear to God, if I get fucking
116:53canceled for not, for not having the greatest time ever at the odyssey, when I'm Christopher Nolan's my favorite director and I love Greek mythology.
117:00Yeah. Nolan's my favorite director. And I've like, I, the dark nights, my favorite movie.
117:04I, I, I'm just saying, I feel like my actual experience was we walked out and it was kind of like the Kingpin thing.
117:11Where I kind of was like waiting. I was like, I actually wanted more and I had a good time, but I
117:17thought I'd have like the greatest movie experience ever.
117:20And I actually went with friends and like for the first time in forever, went to movie with like six people, which
117:26I feel like I only go to movies with Jackie or I don't know.
117:30I don't go to movies like more than one car load of people anymore.
117:34There's an element of this, this restaurant had an extremely long line to it.
117:38And it was supposed to be the best thing that you've ever seen.
117:42And it was like just really, really good. Yeah.
117:44I just walked in like what's playing today, but I waited.
117:47I just had this in my calendar more than a year.
117:50So I walk in, but I, and like the action was everyone kind of was, everyone in my group was, was underwhelmed
117:57and no one wanted to say it because no one wanted to, to pop the balloon for anyone else.
118:02So everyone just kept passing. What'd you think? And everyone passed the ball twice.
118:06And my brother was like, you know what? Fine.
118:09I'll say it. I didn't think, I didn't like as much as I thought I would.
118:13And then I, I don't know. And I was like, kind of like, I almost had to grab, I had convinced myself
118:19I would love it so much that I almost took an hour to convince, me like come down.
118:24I really liked the memes that are coming out of the movie though.
118:28I will say they're quite enjoyable. Somebody get these beggars out of here.
118:32He was great. Somebody get these beggars out of here.
118:35And he's like smiling. He's like, am I right?
118:37Somebody get these beggars out of here. I like the way Chris Nolan said he was the only one who asked to
118:43read the script before he said he was in.
118:46Oh my God. But yeah, dude, I feel like there were some scenes like the Hydra scene, which is like the giant tentacle thing.
118:53Like that was like 40 seconds. I didn't take very long.
118:56Yeah. I'm like, I want a little, this is my problem is I know that it's not the Hydra, it's Scylla, but
119:02I think that ruined the movie for me. Wow.
119:05So the movie was ruined. I really, really, really, really liked it, but I feel like that's like an aggressive statement to people.
119:11I really, I mean, like this is so cliche.
119:14This is so basic bitch of me, but I like really liked the Trojan horse scenes.
119:18Oh, fucking sick. They're so cool. Yeah. It was cool.
119:21Yeah. You should go see though. My favorite movie of the year by far is the invite.
119:26You should go. Is that a horror movie? I will watch that.
119:29No, it's a comedy with that. Olivia Wilde directed with Olivia Wilde.
119:33There's only four people in the movie, Olivia Wilde, Seth Rogen, Edward Norton and Penelope Cruz.
119:37And it is fantastic. I thought it was like one of my favorite movies I've seen of the decade.
119:43Okay. Ooh. Which I'm now probably, this is the problem though.
119:46Now you're going to go in expecting too much, but.
119:49She did a book smart too, right? You like it more than book smart.
119:53Yeah, I do. I liked book smart, but yeah, this is by far, I think the best movie she's made.
119:58Cool. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig.
120:01Thank you to Christopher Nolan for making a really, really, really, really good movie.
120:05Thank you to the Farrelly brothers for trying your best.
120:08Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. I want people, I want to know about the pens.
120:13I want to know if anyone felt like I did about the odyssey, but it's a shame to say it.
120:18I'll redact your name or just make fun of me.
120:21If you want, I don't know. People are going to hate me for it.
120:25If you want to yell at Craig about Kingpin, go ahead.
120:28I think a lot of people want to yell at Craig about Kingpin.
120:32Tell him. Yeah. Email us actual fantasy questions too.
120:35And yeah, we're going to have Mina Kimes on for hot quarterbacks next week.
120:39Ooh, top four reveal. And then yeah. Ring your fantasy football draft is coming up too.
120:43Yeah. And stick with us for the season. Okay.
120:46Thank you. Nikhil. Thank you. Cam. Thank you. Abu.
120:48Thank you, Carlos. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you for listening.
120:51Thank you, Lord. Lord. All right. This is the last episode of a millennial bangers.
120:55We had to get Mr. Worldwide involved. Pitbull himself.
120:58Him and Neo did a lot of good things.
121:00The two of them. And so I'm going to shout out, give me everything.
121:042011. I'm going to get to the end of the year.
121:07An absolute ripper. Ludacris. Oh, sorry. Ludacris. Pitbull. Just the fucking goat.
121:11Just the king of we're having fun. And all we're doing here is having fun.
121:15The song begins with, he has the most unintelligible lyrics.
121:18By the way, this is the song that goes, give me everything tonight.
121:22Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh God. It's like, excuse me.
121:25I might drink a little more than I should tonight.
121:28And it's like, grab somebody, tell them, hey. Oh, I like, yeah, this is a great song.
121:32The song. I know every word, I have no idea what the title of the song is.
121:37Pitbull's lyrics are so fucking weird, dude. They make no sense.
121:40This is how he starts the song. Me not working hard.
121:43Yeah, right. Picture that with a Kodak or better yet, go to Times Square, take a picture of me with a Kodak.
121:50What? What is it? It's like so fake clever.
121:52He's like, yeah, I just know that. Craig, he rhymed Kodak with Kodak.
121:56Yeah. He has another one where he came out of, he came out of a chorus and he's like, oh yeah, he goes, reach for the stars.
122:04And if you don't grab them, at least you'll fall on top of the world.
122:08Think about it. Cause if you slip, I'm going to fall on top of your girl.
122:12Like what? Like, he like comments in the song, like that was good.
122:16Yeah. Dude, his legs, my, my favorite people song is hotel room service because it's the idea of like, he's like, we're at the hotel motel holiday in.
122:24It's like the whole, and I'm like the idea of like trying to get a threesome and be like, Hey babe, I'm at the holiday in.
122:31Well, he didn't make up that lyric. That's from way back.
122:34You know, what's funny though about that? What? What the hotel motel holiday in thing is like, it's from like, yeah, he didn't invent that.
122:42We at the hotel. Well, yeah, I have no idea what that's referencing.
122:45Uh, I don't know either, but I know it's old.
122:48Uh, I'm trying to remember. I can't remember the song by it's rappers delight.
122:52Oh yeah. From sugar hill. Rappers delight has hotel.
122:55No way. Yeah. So anyway, Oh yeah. The source holiday in.
122:58If your girl starts acting up, then you take her friend.
123:01Wow. Went to the source text there, didn't you?
123:03Yeah. But to your point, I think it's about him saying like singing about maybe at the motel.
123:08I was debating doing give me everything, which I chose and time of our lives, which is also Pitbull and Neo.
123:14And that's the song that goes, I knew my rent was going to be due about a week ago.
123:20I work my ass off. I still can't pay it though.
123:23And that's when it goes, Ooh, I want the time of my life.
123:27Whatever. Um, my voice is cracking cause I lost it this weekend, but it's Pitbull and Neo singing about how they can't pay their rent.
123:34Yeah. That's the song. Pitbull's can't pay us rent.
123:36It's relatable. He's working hard. He's working hard. He still can't pay it.
123:40But then ultimately it's like you spend your last 20 bucks on the club, which goes back to this entire era, which
123:46is just like, we're going to be on a dance floor.
123:49We're going to have a blast. I need you to give me everything.
123:53We're going to have a blast. We're going to have a blast.
123:56You guys. I'm a drink a lot and I'm a dance.
124:00And that's going to get us through the 2010s.
124:0220 cents. That whole decade. I can barely remember that decade.
124:05We were so young. Pitbull did. What a legend.
124:08Pitbull. Mr. Worldwide. Dude, would you go to a Pitbull concert?
124:11Should that be one of the punishments? You have to go to a Pitbull concert in one of the Pitbull bald caps.
124:17That's the thing now. Everyone's wearing the Pitbull bald caps.
124:20really? Do I have to wear one? He's got a lot of songs with over a billion streams.
124:25I have to wear one. Pitbull is the ultimate.
124:28You want to make fun of him and then you put the music on and you're like, I dare you to stay still.
124:34Just try to stand still and listen to Pitbull.
124:37You do Pitbull's top 10, throw it on at a party.
124:40Everybody's going to have a good time. Is Pitbull's top 10 stack up to Katy Perry, Craig?
124:45Wow. It might. It's really close. Wow. Katy Perry songs have maybe a little more character to them, but in terms of
124:51like pure, pure on the banger scale, maybe. What are the three songs we just mentioned?
124:55So you're talking about, what's the name of the song that I know every word to?
125:00Give Me Everything. Give Me Everything. Time of Our Lives.
125:03We didn't even talk about Timber. No, Timber with Kevin.
125:06DJ got us. Yeah, yeah, but he's on the song.
125:08Well, he's a huge. Talking about DJ got us falling in love.
125:12Yeah, that's with Usher. On the Floor with Jennifer Lopez.
125:15Yep. Like, there's a lot of songs here. I like it with Enrique Iglesias.
125:19Dude, there's a lot of- Fireball? Fucking awesome. Fireball.
125:21Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. How does it go?
125:24Here's the deal. Once you get big, you can do anything and you make a ton of money.
125:29Yeah. That's great. One more time. Oh yeah, he goes, I'm on fireball.
125:32Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, it's great.
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