0:00Uff, meine Zehen bringen mich um. Diese Schuhe sind viel zu eng.
0:04Trägst du immer noch diese spitzen Dinger? Ich meine, sind nicht alle Laufschuhe so geformt?
0:09Nein, du brauchst Altras. Altra? Altras sind geformt wie deine Füße mit einer fußförmigen Zehenbox.
0:14Einfach viel bequemer. Bezwinge deinen Lauf mit Hallenzehen. Okay, das klingt traumhaft.
0:18Mehr Komfort, Kraft und Dynamik. Alles durch die Passform.
0:21Altra versteht das einfach. Altra, stay out there. The two games in the books already.
0:27There's lots to talk about Dynasty-wise from the first two games of the NFL season.
0:32There's lots to look forward to over the weekend.
0:35This is Dynasty Points. This is the Market Report and it starts right now.
0:39Hello everybody, welcome back to Dynasty Points. This is the Market Report.
0:44Thomas Tipple, Zach Swales here. Andrew Buckler will be back with us next week.
0:48But the football season is here and that means there's lots to talk about and we cannot get through everything with just two episodes in a week.
0:57So this is what we're going to do here towards the end of the week.
1:03Talk about some things that have happened throughout the week.
1:06We're going to watch the market, whether it's going up, down, who's in, who's out and how we're feeling moving forward.
1:13Swales, I am super stoked to have you joining us this year for Market Report.
1:18You bring a little bit different vibe to Market Report.
1:22You look at things a little bit differently. And as you know, and our listeners know, the best part about Dynasty Points
1:29is it is just chock full of people that play the game differently.
1:34You can't have people that agree with each other non-stop and just pat each other on the back the whole way.
1:41So this is a fun week to get us started.
1:44We've got two games in the books. One much better than the other.
1:48Both kind of booty. But thanks for joining us here this year.
1:53Excited to have you. Yeah, man, I'm excited to be here.
1:56Kickstart this this stuff off this year. NFL did us right by kind of staggering games a little bit because they gave us so much to talk about.
2:06Just, you know, the NFL universe is upside down right now with these Wednesday, Thursday games, the way that the Australia game played out.
2:14And I'm just excited to be able to come out of the shadows from the data charting and bring some of that
2:21tape and data analysis to the Market Report here.
2:25So, yeah, it'll be it'll be a unique twist this season.
2:28That's right. Not only are international games just like an absolute nightmare, but you're putting it on the Thursday.
2:35Just just brutal. And of course, the Wednesday game would have gone a lot better had a starting quarterback not been done.
2:42Gone. Immediately. First drive. Sam Darnold. Gone. So, obviously not a hot start, but we have some fun stuff to take away from those games.
2:51But first, we got some news here early. The Kyle Monungai stands, if you would, are going to have to wait a
2:58couple years for the running back takeover. Uh, Swift signs a new contract extension.
3:03Three years, 33 plus million. 27 and a half guaranteed.
3:06We're going to have to see all the details and how this breaks down.
3:11But I like this deal. He's been a fairly reasonably priced dynasty asset for the next couple of years.
3:18Very hard to keep him now outside of that top 15 range here.
3:22Now that he's got a little bit of comfort, all of the Ben Johnson hated him, drove him out of Detroit stuff,
3:29kind of gets put to rest here a little bit.
3:33He had a great year. When I was looking up Swift for this show, I forgot he was an Eagle.
3:40I actually thought we got something wrong in DataSuite 2.0 because I actually forgot.
3:44In a really good year in Philadelphia, went to Chicago, kind of got left behind.
3:50I've called him a Dynasty Zero for a while just because nobody has wanted him.
3:55He's been like the prototypical RB2 mid to mid round type back in startup drafts for a while.
4:01This has you feeling pretty good if you have him.
4:04I imagine he's going to get a lot harder to buy in Dynasty.
4:09Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head.
4:12Swift was one of those people that he was just kind of a notorious throw in and a lot of trades and
4:19nobody gave a ton of cadence to his role in a Ben Johnson offense that we are all trying to get a piece of.
4:28Swift kind of got that narrative where you talked about it last offseason.
4:32Everybody was talking about how long is Swift going to stay in Ben Johnson's offense because he hates him and he's just
4:40going to kind of write out his contract and then they'll eventually move on.
4:44And here we are again making the same mistake that a lot of Dynasty managers are hyping up a seventh round rookie
4:52who doesn't deserve it when he has a veteran right in front of him who is now getting paid.
4:58I think this kind of lock Swift in potentially for at least the next two years as a potential bell cow in that Ben Johnson offense.
5:07I think the bell cow thing is probably where I draw my line.
5:12I don't think there's really that many in the league.
5:15There's not. There's just not a lot of actual but I think there's like five.
5:20So I think kind of the time split that you got last year is probably what you're going to get this year
5:28and we look at the market values for DeAndre Swift.
5:31We fantasy points values them a little bit higher than the market value does.
5:361300 trades. That is number is definitely going to go up a seven day trend.
5:41He's trending up already. This hasn't the front office is not updated from the news today yet should be updated as of
5:48tomorrow morning, but we're going to I think what you see when the both of them are healthy is what you're.
5:55What you're kind of in for moving forward. I mean Swift had a very good year like we mentioned last year 57.8%
6:03of the snaps 58.3% inside of the five which I thought was kind of interesting a 43 route share the 8.4% target
6:10share could be better, but I think that's a little bit more.
6:14On the design of the offense more than it is on him as a player, though.
6:20I do think he was a little bit overrated as a pass catcher, I think over the last couple of years, but a fairly efficient runner.
6:29I mean the offense is designed for explosives, but it's a rush.
6:33Go ahead more efficient than Manongai for sure. You might be right to the bell cow perspective.
6:39I would say you're probably seeing Swift's value rise because we expected Manongai to miss the first week, which would have ensued
6:46him to potentially have that bell cow usage. But as you can see here in the data suite 2.0, I mean in
6:54pretty much every single category minus man gap Swift is significantly more efficient than Manongai.
6:59So at the end of the day, because Swift is a player that has injury histories, I'm perfectly okay with him sharing
7:06a piece of the pie with a guy like Manongai.
7:10But I think we just need to remember not to get ahead of ourselves with players like Manongai when they have a veteran like Swift into.
7:18Yeah, Manongai had a couple of big games, but one of them was against the Bengals, which just wasn't hard to do.
7:26When you look at the two of them in 2025, when they both played, we went through and we looked to make sure.
7:34Swift obviously had the better missed tackles force at a .17 to Manongai at a .10.
7:39We had Swift at 58% versus 38% of inside the 5.
7:4354% success with just a 36% stuff rate versus cow Manongai with a 50% and 40% in those two.
7:49In those two categories respectively. And Manongai, as you mentioned, really only wins in the man gap scheme, a 5.29 yards per
7:57carry with a 60% success rate where Swift was a 4.16 with a 49%, which doesn't really surprise me with Swift's play style.
8:05Kind of pressed to the edge zone, good cutback.
8:08Type runner, a 13.1 expected fantasy points per game to Kyle Manongai's 8.7 when they were both healthy.
8:14That's where I would argue that Swift has potential to even go up.
8:18You mentioned this 8% target share, right? And 13.1 expected fantasy points.
8:22So what if you see just about a .5% to 2% increase in the target share?
8:28You could see Swift approach 15 points per game.
8:31Expected fantasy points per game. Yeah, if you did, I mean, I would just definitely put him in that top 15 steadily.
8:38I'm going to be doing a tier sheet update for the front office here over the weekend when I finally get a minute to fully implement those.
8:47But it's going to be really hard, I imagine, when I do those rankings, when I do that walkthrough.
8:54It's going to be very hard to keep him out of there.
8:58So I'm going to be interested in seeing what the trades kind of look like, what the trades end up being over the next couple of days.
9:07Because obviously when we get news like this, things with players definitely move quickly for Dynasty managers.
9:13So I just want to pull up Swift and just look at some of the recent trades involving him as of now.
9:20Yeah, so really in two seconds, Malik Davis, who we have to talk about, got hurt practice today.
9:27I actually had to go and double check to see who the next man up was.
9:32And it's Demarcato. So definitely go and check your waiver wires.
9:36It's Demarcato. So it'll be interesting to see. You're going to want to go and check your Dynasty waiver wires for him.
9:43Although I don't think he's really much, if he would.
9:47But this is kind of the trade that I'm interested in.
9:50David Montgomery was one of my favorites heading into this year.
9:54And DeAndre Swift for Algier, just straight handcuff. And Bachel Tootin, who a lot of people have pegged as kind of that next Dynasty favorite in Jacksonville.
10:03Even, I mean, that room is really tough to read with if you look at coach speak and how it is.
10:10But here you have from the 10th, which is yesterday.
10:14We're recording this on the 11th. DeAndre Swift for a 27-1 and a 27-3.
10:19Like, I would still take that first every single time.
10:22So I'm wondering if this is kind of going to end up being the norm for him or not.
10:28I'm going to say not. But it's going to look at the difference here.
10:33You've got Brenton Strange and Tajay Spears for Swift right underneath the Swift for 27-1.
10:38That is a duality of running backs in Dynasty.
10:41See, and it's crazy because the value on Swift's side is on par with a 27-1, but I'm right there with you.
10:49I couldn't do it. I know you're not somebody that likes to trade running back for running back.
10:55So I've got a question for you. If you're heavy on wide receiver, like according to the Fantasy Points front office tool,
11:02I'm number two in wide receiver but number six in running back.
11:07So would you move somebody like a Christian Watson, who is arguably my wide receiver five, for a DeAndre Swift?
11:13I would. I think I would. I like Christian Watson, but again, I don't think we're in for like a...
11:20I mean, what is the bell cow version of a wide?
11:24Like, I don't think we're getting that workhorse wide receiver type season.
11:28I don't think LeFleur has that in him to give a single wide receiver that ever again.
11:34And we just know the positional value of running backs right now is so important.
11:39A wide receiver five, I'm definitely okay letting that go.
11:42For really a top running back on an offense that everyone seems to want a piece of.
11:48Look at how many players are drafted in the first four or five rounds for Chicago.
11:54And Swift is the odd man out. I mean, he's...
11:57He's kind of the most regular piece that is seemingly available on an offense that everyone has taking the next step or
12:04two even in the progression for Ben Johnson. So I'm more than willing to do a deal like that.
12:11Yeah, he was just the forgotten guy all offseason.
12:14I mean, you just mentioned it. Everybody's been ranting and raving about Burden to Loveland to...
12:19You know, some people are even on the Odunze boat and not a single person has been wanting or willing to talk about Swift.
12:28And now here he is a paid man. Yeah, and that's usually how it goes.
12:33And that's why Buck and I often talk about running backs that are kind of cheap, kind of forgotten.
12:39Like, even right now, per our trade database or trade tool...
12:43Oh, this is values in redraft. So look how much that flips.
12:47In Dynasty, you get a Christian Watson. And in redraft, it's so heavily leaned towards DeAndre Swift.
12:53So to me, that's telling because that matters to me.
12:56A player's value or perceived production in redraft is still telling for this year.
13:01You still have to go and put points on the board.
13:05Now, 27.5 million guaranteed. He's going to be on this roster this year and next.
13:10That's with the 2027 draft class coming in. I definitely like that value of DeAndre Swift here.
13:15And I really think this is going to flip.
13:19I think this flips over the next couple of weeks, especially if DeAndre Swift gets off to a nice start.
13:25Might have to float that trade out there because right now in that league I mentioned, I'm rocking Harvey or one of the commandos as my RB2.
13:35So I'd much rather move Watson for Swift in that scenario.
13:38Yeah, the commandos backfield is just not what I've been.
13:42I've actually been drafting a lot of JCM this year, even though last year there's the whole back and forth with the Dynasty Point subscribers and myself.
13:51You know, it just so happened that I had a week off.
13:55I took one. I don't miss a lot of shows.
13:58I miss the I miss the shows this week, had some medical stuff that I couldn't push away.
14:04And then, of course, last year, the last show I missed, I believe, was last year.
14:10It was a birthday surprise. I couldn't do anything about it.
14:14Of course, JCM goes off that weekend. Everyone comments that I'm gone because of it.
14:19And then, funny enough, it's not mentioned again until week 17 because he didn't do anything really between the two games.
14:26So that's how it goes sometimes. That's okay. I love our fans and our listeners as it is.
14:32So that's Swift. Definitely going to move him up on my board.
14:36Definitely going to go start putting some feeler trades out there.
14:40Maybe somebody wants to get rid of him after the big payday.
14:44I don't know why somebody want to do that around week one, but, well, we just, we looked at some of those trades just from yesterday.
14:53And it still seems like he's very much, well, available.
14:56My legs are going to move me. These shoes are too long.
15:00Do you still wear these tight shoes? I mean, are not all the shoes so formed?
15:06No, you need Altras. Altras? Altras are formed like your legs with a foot-farmed 10 box.
15:11Just a bit more comfortable. You're going to push your legs with a foot-farmed 10.
15:16Okay, that's crazy. More comfort, strength and dynamic. Everything through the pass-form.
15:20Altras understands it. Altras, stay out there. Let's talk about some of the stuff from the games this last week.
15:27Because we're going to start with the Wednesday game and talk about some of the impacts there.
15:33This one is crushing. This one really sucks. It was a pretty badly placed ball.
15:38In my opinion, from Drake May to A.J. Brown.
15:41And, well, we thought it could be way worse.
15:44I thought it was going to be way worse.
15:47It wasn't that bad. There was no break in the ankle or anything like that.
15:52But a high ankle sprain definitely sucks. We're talking about a guy who's looked at with top 10 upside with the Patriots this year.
16:00And an offense that had Drake May coming off a second and MVP type finish.
16:06With a four-week minimum, I think we can expect something like probably...
16:10Look, I'm no doctor. I don't claim to be.
16:13I can barely read and write. But I think you're probably expecting that four weeks is on the AR when he comes back.
16:20And you're probably going to get like a four-week production ramp up.
16:25I'm not expecting with a high ankle sprain for a wide receiver, especially a physical type, explosive type wide receiver that his
16:32production is just going to come back and be healthy.
16:35But we just don't see that very often with a high ankle sprain.
16:40Although, when was the last time I ever saw a low ankle sprain?
16:44Like any problem with the ankle is just immediately a high ankle sprain.
16:49So I'm interested to see the first time we get a reported low ankle sprain.
16:54I just don't know if that's really a thing.
16:57But we're going to... This is probably an eight to nine week problem.
17:01And there's a lot of people out there that were depending on AJ Brown.
17:06So here's the dynasty spin that I want to ask you.
17:10I see this being like the last six games of the season.
17:14Heading into the playoff run where he becomes potentially that top ten wide receiver late in the year.
17:20Here's the problem. Most people aren't giving him up for less than what they would have paid for, which would have been a first.
17:28First, I'm going to pull up the market trend for AJ Brown over the year here in a minute when I pass this off to you.
17:37But the question is, are you as a contender in dynasty willing to go ask what somebody is willing to take on
17:44for AJ Brown if they really want points to start the year?
17:49Week one, it is one game. The six points that he got you aren't exactly going to look pretty in your lineup this week.
17:57Sometimes that's enough to have someone really want to get those points replaced.
18:01Some people don't want to mess with a high ankle.
18:05I'm going to call him an aging receiver, but it's not like he's an over the hill type wide receiver.
18:11But some people worry about this kind of stuff, injury history, etc.
18:15So you obviously are a contender if you have him or you should be.
18:20You don't want to be a tweener. Are you either trading him away or looking to buy?
18:26And then what kind of player are you looking to kind of replace him?
18:31So when it comes to AJ Brown, for me, I am not personally willing to buy and I haven't been willing to buy most of the offseason.
18:40Now, this is not a situation where I would want to pat myself on the back and say that I was correct.
18:47But the AJ Brown situation has worried me from the beginning, mainly to do with the functionality of the Patriots offense.
18:55You have a super spreader offense. He was already not really getting a ton of volume or work to start that game.
19:02Drake May was already moving the ball around. And if you truly are a contender, I feel like you can get more
19:10guaranteed, less risky points with AJ Brown. I don't know how you feel about high ankle sprains.
19:15I know you made the joke about how we never hear about low ankle sprains.
19:20But just look at CeeDee Lamb last year and the way that he was in and out of the lineup.
19:27And it took forever to get back to 100%.
19:30So really, when it's come to AJ Brown, I have been in the camp of trying to sell hot while you can most of the offseason.
19:39Now you're going to be stuck. Most of the people are going to be stuck.
19:44But as soon as he pops off, if he does kind of return to form, I'm going to be once again advocating
19:52to trying to sell while you can before. Essentially, before the floor completely comes out.
19:57I think that's fair. I just thought, you know, we've been joking with the New England Patriots wide receiver core.
20:04Man, if they just had a wide receiver one like, I don't know, Jacoby Myers, their offense would have been pretty good.
20:11But instead, we've been getting this Demario Douglas. They tried the double draft picks in Polk.
20:17And I actually forget who the other wide receiver was that year.
20:21I just knew I was out on both of them.
20:24But the Kyle Williams thing, I really thought, hey, they were maybe trading away Booty and they were going to get Williams.
20:31Nope, that was definitely not the case. So they traded away Booty, who they probably really could have used in the Wednesday game.
20:39But they traded away for a bucket of range balls.
20:43Just really didn't, really didn't fully get it. You're right on the injury history, too.
20:48I mean, the teeth one was interesting. I do remember that.
20:52But you got hamstring, hamstring, knee, knee, knee. Like, it's pretty much all injury related from week 16, 2024 on.
20:58So we did practice and follow through a lot of those.
21:02Some people said he looked a little bit slower.
21:05We had some speed data. Brett Whitefield talked about a lot.
21:09But I don't. Oh, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, that's the big thing, again, coming from the high ankle sprain, right?
21:17AJ Brown, like you talked about, he wins on his physical traits and his speed.
21:22And how much of that is going to be zapped, I genuinely don't know.
21:27We think it's a four-week injury right now. But to your point, if it's that four to six weeks, most managers, you're
21:35just, I mean, we're going to be halfway through the fantasy season at that point.
21:40So could you get some contenders that, you know, maybe only have two or three losses and suffer some attrition?
21:47Yeah, sure. You could see a reason to go and trade for AJ Brown.
21:51My only question is, if you're going to be making that move to go after AJ Brown, can't you get more guaranteed points with less risk somewhere else?
22:01I think so. But I don't look at AJ Brown like he is a redraft player.
22:06Like, he's not even a redraft plus type player.
22:09A player you're going to get one year out of maybe two.
22:13If you're getting AJ Brown, it's going to be for more than just this year.
22:19So you have to kind of take that into account.
22:22Well, he is 29 with like no knees. I know.
22:25I know. I wouldn't say no knees. I thought he actually looked pretty good in the usage.
22:31Although I did find it kind of funny that the broadcast talked about him like he was Michael Thomas.
22:38Like, I don't know why they were just, he's so good at running a slant route.
22:43He can really run a slant route. He runs slant route.
22:47But it's like, guys, we're talking about a big, hulking, powerful, dominant wide receiver.
22:52And we're talking about him like he's slant boy 2.0.
22:55Now, Michael Thomas was a dominant, very good wide receiver for those.
22:59I just thought the way they were talking about AJ Brown made him sound more like Pop Douglas than, you know, AJ freaking Brown.
23:07So I thought that was kind of funny. I caught that, but look at some of these trades we've gotten even from today.
23:15From today, AJ Brown and a third for Zay Flowers.
23:18This is insane to me. That's what I mean about like just getting more.
23:23Yeah, like even the next one. Scary Terry. I still think I would.
23:28I think I still think I would take AJ Brown.
23:31Really? Okay. Yeah, I think. I think. I don't know.
23:34Straight. Mm. Bitcoin. I think. Yeah, I. Hmm. I think I'm going to keep AJ Brown.
23:40Although. So I think I actually might be a little bit off base with Terry McLaurin.
23:45So with in his rookie year with in his rookie year and Jane Jane's rookie year, Terry McLaurin was a sell for me.
23:53And that kind of ended up not totally working on unless you got that first plus pick that I wrote about at fantasy points dot com.
24:02But Terry McLaurin is a touchdown machine. It was 10 touchdowns where a lot of his value came from.
24:08Then last year he came in and it was the holdout.
24:12And we know what happens with wide receivers that hold out.
24:16Then they tend to get these soft tissue injuries because they're not in training camp the whole time.
24:22And then he comes out slow out of the gate.
24:25Jane Daniels gets hurt. Terry McLaurin did get paid.
24:29Um. I think I talked myself. I think I would go Terry McLaurin.
24:33I think. Jane Daniels healthy. Terry McLaurin healthy. I think the upside is about similar.
24:38You're right. You're right. Okay. I talked myself. I'll talk myself back.
24:42But even look at some of these September 10th.
24:45So this is after the injury. We got AJ Brown and Travis H and and for Christian McCaffrey and Juwan Jennings, which.
24:53Kind of crazy. I think it was still panic.
24:56So right there. That's definitely seems like we're going to talk about the Caelan Black stuff.
25:01But yeah, that's a Christian McCaffrey sell, which I understand.
25:05Like I do get wanting out. But if you had Christian McCaffrey this whole time, why now?
25:10Trade him for AJ. I just that that doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
25:16That's that seems like contending with a bandaid. And I just it's not some that's not how I would want to play.
25:23But you get this AJ Brown at 27 third for JK Dobbins in a 28 one.
25:29I'll I'll look at that 28 one. I would.
25:32Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, that fits exactly the narrative I'm talking about, about getting off of Brown while you can.
25:40Yeah, I'm definitely again. I don't want to I don't want to make it sound like I'm trading AJ Brown for just anything I can.
25:48But some of these are not even agreed close.
25:51Like Zay Tobin at the top. Like insane. I'm really in the camp of Zay Tobin potentially having that Terry McLaurin type blow up in the touchdown department.
26:01If that happens, man, that's a landslide in flowers.
26:04Oh, yes. Yeah. Zay flowers not only paid, but I mean attached to an elite.
26:09Look, I've made. I think I think Lamar Jackson will be the first 70 million dollar a year player in the NFL.
26:16I think that's coming. Like, look at the Baker contract.
26:20We didn't even talk about it. There's so much stuff here coming.
26:24I wouldn't even talk about the Baker Mayfield contract, which I think is a massive overpay and something that about it.
26:31Are you? Well, I'm just I'm mad that we're not going to get pissed off Baker now.
26:37I was happy when we were going to get.
26:40Yeah, we will. Baker. Yeah, we will. Well, he lives that way, even though he was, you know, the first overall pick
26:47in the draft and he took the Browns to the playoffs.
26:51And then he, yes, got hurt, but that didn't.
26:54Just because the players non throwing shoulder got hurt doesn't mean you get to blame that for handing the ball over to
27:02the other team pretty much more than anyone else not named Sam Darnold.
27:06He does it over and over and over. And then he gets to do the nice comeback story.
27:12And it was cool in L.A. And like he showed up and had three days of practice and goes out in the McVay system and does great.
27:21Then he goes to Tampa Bay and has the best year of his career.
27:26And then go back to the same old Baker.
27:29And then he finds a way to be an underdog for a guy who's just kind of underperformed year over year.
27:36But to him, he'll always be pissed off Baker because that's it's just his it's a stick for him.
27:43And I think it's fine. I want a player to have an edge, find an edge, need an edge.
27:49But the underdog one is just. Dread tired. It's tired.
27:53But I'm happy that he got the paycheck. I just I think teams do this thing.
27:58Where instead of just like kind of letting that mid and we can call Baker may feel like a mid to sometimes upper tier quarterback.
28:07I think that's safe to say he has some really great games.
28:11But again, he's like a high turnover. Kind of like mid 2000s to late 2000s gunslinger type.
28:16That just lets the ball fly and get picked off a little bit.
28:21Banged up a lot. But to pay these guys that much money.
28:25It's what I liked about Seattle and how they handled the Darnold deal.
28:29And these guys that are paying just a little bit less.
28:33I don't know. I think you're just kind of prolonging.
28:36Some mediocrity there, but that don't want to talk too much about it.
28:41Like he's not. He's a fine fantasy quarterback. Not someone I want to take in like the fifth round.
28:47Not someone I want to pay like a first plus four on a consistent basis.
28:52And you look at that deal. So if you look at that and you could project a guy like Lamar Jackson, two time MVP.
29:01So on and so forth who also does get hurt.
29:04Let's be real. But he's going to be that first 70 million dollar player to me.
29:09But back to AJ Brown after after an aside there.
29:13Yes, they flowers attached to that kind of offense.
29:16That kind of quarterback. I'm I'm with you in the touchdown department.
29:20Yes. Saquon Barkley for AJ Brown and Rico Dowdle.
29:23Like I would take that Barkley side in a super flex AJ Brown for Patrick Mahomes and DJ Moore.
29:29That's not a real trade. That's one of those ones that I look at and I'm like, that's not real.
29:36Like that's not a real person doing that deal.
29:39That's a very strange deal. I wouldn't count that as like a regular occurrence.
29:44But there's another one. There's your Terry McLaurin deal.
29:47Yeah. Jalen Waddle. I mean, I would definitely take the Waddle side there.
29:52This one, not so much. You got the Godwin, but there's that first and a two.
29:57I think that's a good place to draw the line is that Godwin.
30:01Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't want that's crazy. That's one of those.
30:06That's a panic points. That's that's what that deal was.
30:09The really the other interesting thing is that Dobbs was ass and not the metric like he was he was bad.
30:16He was he was a non-factor in that game pretty much the whole time.
30:21Before the injury after the injury before the drop after the drop and the drop was bad.
30:27Very very bad. Mac Collins was kind of the guy from what I saw.
30:31And then they tried to do some of the screen stuff with Pop Douglas, which same old, same old for him.
30:39What I found very interesting about Mac Collins was the usage in neutral.
30:43He was their highest targeted player and neutral game script, not doves who don't even think crack the top.
30:49Three. I just I don't know. He might be the guy.
30:53It doesn't sound exciting to me. He saw five targets in the game.
30:58Like I said, man, she was the most targeted player in neutral game script.
31:02Twenty nine percent of the targets when they were in a neutral game script.
31:07I don't know what to make of Dobbs. He just wasn't a part of the game plan.
31:13It feels like even though the game plan felt like I was watching like a 1980 Navy versus Army.
31:19I don't know what the hell that offensive game plan was for week one.
31:24Terrible. Granted, Seattle is a phenomenal defense. Obviously a top tier defense, but the design stuff wasn't there for Dobbs.
31:31I don't know. Seemed like a non factor. You were talking before we hit record about how every time he was on
31:38the field, it was just going to be a run.
31:42But yet again, most targeted player in neutral game script.
31:45So. He was he was the first down guy to it.
31:49They did again. The broadcast. Was like, OK. Another another just side thing.
31:53I'm going to say, I'm going to forget about it when we talk about price.
31:58Have I just been. Am I getting one guide?
32:02Is it Jadarian price? I don't know what Collinsworth.
32:05What? Like he was saying it. Jadarian. Jadarian. Am I getting one guide or is that?
32:10Have I just been saying it wrong? I thought it was last year.
32:14Yeah. OK. Because he did this last year. At least once.
32:18I can't remember what player it was. But the whole game, I was like, is he or am I?
32:25I wasn't sure if I was getting one guide.
32:28But I'm glad to know that I wasn't the only person that felt this way.
32:33Yeah. I don't know. I guess I don't know what the exact pronunciation is.
32:38But I've always been going by Jadarian. See, now I'm now I'm doing it.
32:42It's in my head. So, OK. So for Matt Collins standpoint and AJ Brown.
32:47So this is one of the benefits, right? With me being a charter and being able to talk ball with you guys,
32:55because I actually charted the Patriots on on Wednesday night.
32:58So one of the first things that I saw early on in the game, every time Matt Collins came out there and
33:05Brett Whitefield and the team has preached about this.
33:09But every time Mike Collins was out there early and often, it was like 98% of the time a run play.
33:16You even had Seattle recognizing that Mac was calm coming out onto the field and they were kind of piling up into the box to stop the run.
33:25I don't know what the hell was going on with the Patriots, but it felt like when they got that 10 point
33:33lead, they just got incredibly complacent and vanilla. And so once the injury started to pile in, people forget Hunter Henry got
33:40injured for a minute there, too, and came out for a couple snaps before before coming back in.
33:46I mean, the first two games of the season have just been very brutal on the body.
33:52And we see this more and more as players play less and less in the preseason.
33:57And so I think a lot of that kind of played a factor into Matt Collins usage.
34:03And then at the end of the day, when bodies started to fall, there was just really nowhere left to go.
34:10Matt Collins has that reliability. And when A.J. Brown went down, there was nobody left that had any sort of size.
34:18You had Demario Douglas in the slot, Eli Raritan and Hunter Henry.
34:22They had Hunter Henry running routes out of the backfield, okay?
34:25What the hell are we doing? So that's what I mean about the game script and everything got really weird.
34:32I will say they have to be able and be willing to disguise Matt Collins usage more.
34:38To your point, if Matt Collins is going to be a weapon, they're going to have to use him more on passing
34:45downs instead of early rundown situations as a receiver that digs players out of the run game.
34:51My legs bring me up. These shoes are too heavy.
34:55Do you still have to wear these tight shoes?
34:58I mean, are not all the shoes so formed?
35:01No, you need Altras. Altras? Altras are formed like your feet with a foot-farmic 10-box.
35:06Just a bit more comfortable. You're going to get your feet with a high-end 10.
35:11Okay, that sounds traumhaft. More comfort, strength and dynamic.
35:14Everything through the pass-form. Altra understands that. Altra, stay out there.
35:18Well, I think with that, we can just transition over to what I think about the explosive plays just in general.
35:25Like you mentioned, you get Hunter Henry running plays out of the bat.
35:29Like, no creativity on this offense at all when A.J.
35:33Brown went down. And even when A.J. Brown was in, I thought this was the most vanilla, almost like they conceded the game.
35:41Like, they were just willing to take the L if they didn't grind it out.
35:46They didn't attack downfield at all, except for on that terrible flea flicker play.
35:50Which A.J. Brown had him beat by, like, a lot.
35:54Like, a lot. A lot, a lot. And I just got to tell you, Eagles fans, I hear you.
36:00If Jalen Hurts under through that ball, it would be pitchforks.
36:04But Drake May does it, and it's fine. It was a smart play.
36:08This is what I heard. It wasn't as bad as the Josh Allen arm punt stuff that CBS was putting out in his MVP year.
36:17This is, like, a hilariously bad throw into the end zone.
36:21Josh Allen gets picked off and, like, what an arm punt.
36:24Pin him down. No, it was a terrible play.
36:27It wasn't even fourth down. Like, what are we?
36:31Anyway, it wasn't as bad on May's part. But if Jalen Hurts does that, we're talking about, like, pitchforks and rioting.
36:38And A.J. Brown wasn't sitting on the sideline reading a book after that play.
36:42It was just. And then, again, the broadcast is, like, what a smart play by A.J.
36:48Brown. He was selfless. He knew that he had a free play down to the one if he just jumped back.
36:55Yeah. Dude. Like, what are we? He was trying to get to the ball.
37:00The framing of stuff sometimes for different teams and players is something I'm, like, becoming way more aware of.
37:06And it's why I often on Sundays watch games on mute, depending on who the game is.
37:12Like, I just can't deal with it anymore. But.
37:15Shout out to Luke Keekly, though. Oh. Luke Keekly killed it on the mic, bro.
37:20He was so good. He was so good. Although, I do got to say, him standing next to Ian Eagle is, like, hilarious to me.
37:29Like, it took me back to, like, being a pro wrestler and I'm only 5'8", but, like, everyone else in the locker room is, like, 6'4".
37:38And I'm the small guy. It took me back to that.
37:41But, hilarious. But, no. He was fantastic. We're getting good, intelligent commentary from players.
37:46Not what's out there most Sundays. But, yeah. Eagles fans.
37:49I hear you. But you're right. That's a good point.
37:53We can pivot this over to how hilariously inefficient Ramondre was.
37:57And, yes, it was against Seattle. Don't get me wrong.
38:00And a lot of those runs got shot down.
38:03Like, they just weren't blocked right. It felt like Seattle was bringing everything all the time.
38:08Feeling the run gaps. Because, again, I don't think they were afraid of the downfield.
38:14And correct me if I'm wrong, but there were two players, not starters.
38:18Not regulars, I should say, in the Seattle secondary.
38:21And New England was still like, I'm good, bro.
38:24Yeah. Didn't make a lot of sense. They were missing Nicky Manorari, who is a pretty big one.
38:30He basically plays as the big slot. And, like, he's almost like an extra linebacker slash down safety in the box there for him.
38:38But you're right. Like, this is – so, over at Fantasy Points, we've been doing O-line, D-line charting.
38:45And this is one of those things, like, after watching the Patriots offensive line, I totally understand why Brett Whitefield kind of
38:52dogs on Will Campbell all the time. But it gets to be, honestly, even worse with – I look at Jalen Wilson, who they've moved to center.
39:01I know nobody is here to talk about offensive line.
39:05But going into that, like, that is going to continue to be the Achilles heel of the Patriots.
39:11And we saw that. Drake May, not for a second, felt any sort of comfort in the back of the pocket.
39:18And I think that's what led to him not attacking deep down the field.
39:23He just took off, dude. He just would scramble at any hint of pressure or any time he felt uncomfortable.
39:29He would just take off and run. And so, yeah, to your point, again, with the Mack Holland stuff, Seattle was just honing in on Romandre.
39:38Yeah, they were teeing off. And I tweeted out today.
39:42I was like, is this an all-time piano on the back game from Stevenson?
39:46Because when I was doing the research for this game, I was like, can't see the chart fully.
39:53There we go. But, yeah, I was like, is this – this has got to be an all-timer.
39:59Like, this is bad. Like, the EPA was bad.
40:02A negative .447. That's terrible. Terrible, terrible, terrible. A 55.6% stuff rate.
40:06Now, yes, like I mentioned, some of that was blown up out of the gate.
40:11He didn't really have a chance on some of those because it just felt like it was like, nope, we're going to
40:18run straight up the ass to the center over and over and over.
40:23But, I mean, a negative 32.5 rushing yards over expectation?
40:26That's absolutely brutal. I can't – I can't put into words how bad that is.
40:31Now, I've been of the Henderson is mispriced all year when Rwanda Stevenson is like 11th and a 12th round pick.
40:38But, I don't know if not playing a game often boosts a player's dynasty value or dynasty projection.
40:45But, it feels like Travion Henderson not playing did that because there's no one else that has juice on that offense.
40:52And whether it's design deep plays, a Texas route, a wheel route, something in motion, never seeing Hunter Henry in the backfield
40:59running routes, anything like that I think opens the pathway.
41:03And then just straight up being more explosive, it felt like Rwanda Stevenson was running in mud, like he couldn't get going.
41:10Because, Rwanda, when you get him going – I was listening to the Long View with Ben Gretsch and Jacob Sanderson, and
41:18they were talking about how Rwanda is way more of a boom or bust type player than people really want to admit that he is.
41:26He is. Now, he made a great catch on the sidelines.
41:30He swung it out to him. He had the nice stiff arm.
41:34That looked like a very remandere play, but look how many yards he needed to get going.
41:40Someone in his face. He didn't look like the type of running back that on contact would really push the pile.
41:47There were some runs that looked like someone got near him and he just was a quarterback, and he just kind of fell down.
41:55It's very odd to me. Like, I know he's afraid to lose the ball, but that's what it looked like to me now.
42:03Yeah. He still had his points. He outscored Christian McCaffrey this week, which, hey, got it like that, you know, as a round of 11 pick.
42:12You'll do that. Well, you know what's crazy is last year, Trevion Henderson out-targeted.
42:16Ramondre Stevenson, I believe by four or five targets.
42:19So all the conversation about the Henderson didn't play and Ramondre snatches chain and all that, yes.
42:25But it's not like Ramondre is going to maintain the 6-7 target, this 18% target share type role.
42:31So if you have Ramondre in Dynasty, I'm not looking to sell because on most of my Dynasty teams, like I can't.
42:39And not only that, you're not really going to get to.
42:43But I'm wondering now if I just completely misread the Trevion thing.
42:47I don't expect Trevion Henderson after this game to just come in and bell cow it and kind of be what I
42:54think people expected, drafting him at the 104-105 in rookie drafts.
42:58But, again, not playing just... I don't know, not playing helped him.
43:02I don't know. That's how I'm reading this. It was really bad.
43:06It was really bad. I don't think the role...
43:09I think Henderson was mispriced mostly because I don't think the role limitations are totally baked in.
43:15But the chance of Ramondre keeping him off the field because he just outplayed him, I think that narrative is gone already
43:22after one week, regardless if it was Seattle. Because I talk a lot about hashtag not a film guy.
43:29But at the same time, I think what I watched and when I watched it back looks even worse than what the data shows.
43:37All right. Well, let me go ahead and pass you your anxiety pill.
43:41I got you, bro. All right. So, two things.
43:44First off, you obviously as a Ravens fan, you know how with Derrick Henry it takes like 10 to 15 yards for him to get chugging along?
43:54Yeah. So, yes. That's how I've always felt about Ramondre.
43:57But do you notice the differences in him getting to that burst of speed?
44:02It's not like when Derrick Henry hits the hole.
44:05He's still in giddy up mode. By the time Derrick Henry hits the hole, you already don't want to tackle him because he's going to push you forward.
44:14Ramondre looks like when he gets to that line of scrimmage, if you breathed on him too hard, he would go down.
44:22Like, Ramondre isn't like this power back. At least it didn't look like it in the Wednesday game.
44:28And I don't know if it's just like week one of the year.
44:32It was a long training. I don't know. But at 227 pounds, I would expect more threat for yards after contact or
44:40being able to avoid or gain more yards before the line of scrimmage when contacted.
44:45And he just doesn't have it. I've never seen like a bigger back need to be an in space back.
44:52What? That's that's not this athletic. Well, and you're not wrong about that.
44:56Ramondre really has always relied on his vision and stuff.
45:00He's never really ran behind his pad. So he'll fall forward.
45:03But he's not going to be a huge missed tackle force kind of guy.
45:08Now, the one thing I will say about the Travion being an Ohio State fan and watching Travion for most of the
45:16career, I am fully in the camp that Henderson will never be able to take on a full workload.
45:22He will forever be a part of a committee.
45:25His body will just not allow him to hold up to the work.
45:30Secondly, Stevenson reminds me a lot of Charbonnet in the fact that like I don't see Stevenson ever giving away that role because he's just old reliable.
45:39When you want three yards, he's going to get you three yards.
45:43He's not going to get you four. He's not going to get you negative, but he's going to get you three.
45:50And so with that reliability comes consistency and being able to stay ahead of the chains.
45:55And Henderson, which we've talked about with some of the past blocking chops and stuff like that, that's where Stevenson just kind
46:03of becomes old faithful and will always stay in that rotation.
46:07Now, I do agree with you. They miss the explosiveness of what Henderson can bring to the party.
46:13If Henderson was running some of those routes out of the backfield instead of Hunter Henry, it would have forced the defense
46:20to play a little bit more honest and be able to play the gap a little bit more wide zone and stuff like that.
46:28But with Ramondre, they just were not worried about the speed.
46:32They were not worried about losing containment. And so you're right.
46:36They were able to just kind of bottle him up.
46:39But Ramondre remains the poster boy for our fat ass running backs, right?
46:44Yes. Get the t-shirt. I don't think that role diminishes.
46:47He is going even when Hindo is 100%, you're still going to see a good 60-40 split, 60% being on Ramondres, in my opinion.
46:55Yeah. The thing is, it's the passing work that I just don't think.
47:00You got a block to get the rock. I understand that.
47:03But when you're looking at a team that can't get explosives, I mean, at some point, you don't have a choice.
47:11And again, they already used Henderson for more targets than Ramondre last year.
47:15So it's not like this is like a trend that we didn't see.
47:19It happened. And we saw what he can provide when they stopped running it straight into their center's ass with Ramondre when he was out.
47:28It's just is Vrabel going to be willing to maybe split that share up a little bit?
47:34I'm wondering, is it just an LDD situation in coming for Ramondre out of sheer necessity?
47:39They don't have anything else. We saw it. Unless all of a sudden, Dobbs ends up becoming a burner, they actually use Kyle Williams.
47:47So I didn't even bother looking up what Kyle Williams ran.
47:51He played. He did. He was out there. But you want to talk about the sacrificial X?
47:57That's exactly what Kyle Williams was. He was just stuck on the outside, ran very few routes.
48:03Nice separation score. Six routes. Yeah. So like to your point, I mean, they're missing it, man.
48:08As I said, I charted the Patriots and it was just a ton.
48:13I mean, they were living in 12 personnel. Now, sometimes you're not going to label it 12 personnel because it actually gets labeled as two back.
48:22But again, Hunter Henry in the backfield. Raritan was a down tight end.
48:26They were even in trips formations with them. Hunter Henry as the slot receiver and Raritan as the down tight end.
48:33So like, yeah, the speediest person that they were putting out on that field when AJ Brown got hurt was Demario Douglas.
48:41And that's gross. You're right. So that's why I'm thinking like they I think Henderson becomes that like dreaded weapon.
48:48He has to. And I think I think it's that they need something.
48:52Yeah, they need juice. So I'm with you on that.
48:55So I don't know what we're going to see in terms of Trevion.
49:00Oh, trade value. Did you see the meme of somebody sent out?
49:04It got over a million impressions, but it was a shoe attached to a table going in like a little circle.
49:11And I said, Ramondre goes right up the middle.
49:14Oh, yeah. Yeah. It takes like five seconds to go around the circle.
49:18Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny. I was trolling. I was trolling.
49:22Jacob is he posted about Ramondre. Ramondre and I posted us like, you know, you you tweeting this won't make Trevion better.
49:30And then by the end of the game, I was like, I'm going to regret that.
49:35Yeah. Like I was so going to regret that.
49:38But yeah, the 14 points wasn't via touchdown. But it's not even like in 2025.
49:43Ramondre like ran away with the goal line work.
49:46Like his carries inside the five wasn't like a 60 percent.
49:50Well, and both teams basically were like non-existent in the red zone.
49:54Yes. Well. Last night I'm talking about. If you look at last year, his runs inside the five and inside clicking too
50:02many things, his runs inside the 10, like it wasn't really.
50:05There's one per game. Like it's not it's not exactly like they lined them up and we're like, you're the goal line guy.
50:13So. Only a 9.1 target share last year, 50 percent inside the five.
50:18It's not like he's just straight up the bell cow goal line back either.
50:22So you need this kind of. Target his yard after the carry weren't even that good.
50:28Like it's such fake production, but it's gross. RB to flex production.
50:32Why did they trade booty or booty? I don't know, dude.
50:36I don't know. I don't know. I've been trying to figure it out.
50:40I thought, well, it was clearly they were going to clear the way for like Kyle Williams on the outside or was
50:48clearly they're going to make Romeo Dobbs like that guy.
50:51Look at the money they spent what they traded booty away.
50:55I don't. I don't know. I honestly don't know because they could have used them a big time.
51:01Yeah, it's man in hindsight. Right. But that's one that I feel like they're largely regretting, especially.
51:07Do you think AJ Brown's only going to be out for the four weeks or you lean in more towards six?
51:14I think. Well, I think I think he's out the four weeks, but I think his production suffers for like six or like two or three weeks after.
51:23So it's going to feel like he's out longer than that.
51:27But you're right. I think I think they're going to miss him.
51:31I don't I don't know. So I'm looking at the trades for trivia and Henderson and they're kind of just what some of those like mass.
51:40But like, look at this from today. Bursette, Terry and Pollard for Will Howard and Trevion.
51:45How after watching that game on Wednesday, are you like, I'm going to trade away Henderson?
51:51This is what I'm going to do. Don't do that.
51:54Bye. It like if if that's the bye. Jackson Smith and Jigba Ramond Ray.
51:59So you get both Trevion for Drake London, Dylan Sampson and Quinshawn Judkins in a 27 one.
52:05I mean, I'll just take I'll just take JSN.
52:08And that's a free JSN, but not a free JSN.
52:11But I mean, again, how do you look at that game on Wednesday and be like, I got to sell these guys.
52:19So I'm I'm more on the whole about the I didn't think about the explosive point.
52:24Like, I really appreciate that side of the argument about the Patriots just being desperate for explosives.
52:30Now, again, let's give credit where credit's due. Seattle is a top three defense, right?
52:35Right next to the Texans and potentially the Broncos for overall defensive unit.
52:39But even still, like, I mean, damn, if the Patriots want to have any chance of returning back to the Super Bowl,
52:47they better figure out how to get more explosives on the field because they can't just go mano a mano against teams like that.
52:55And that's what that's why I'm saying it has to be Henderson.
52:59I think it has to be Henderson. I just I don't know who else.
53:04Oh, I grabbed the wrong Henderson. I didn't even know there was another Travion.
53:09I forgot that we have defensive players in Data Suite 2.0.
53:12So IDP players. There you go. But yeah, obviously, the explosives came from Travion.
53:17The yards per carry, the EPA. Explosive run rate significantly better.
53:21Yards before contact per attempt. Like Travion was making it happen last year.
53:25He had to make it happen last year. So yeah, I'm very much more in that camp, right?
53:31So we'll see. I'd like to see that. I'm willing to bet you see that route run percentage bump way up over 36.
53:39We're probably looking at like a 50% plus rate.
53:42Right. And now they have a whole month to try to figure out where they're going to go with their targets now
53:50that they're down their wide receiver one. Yeah. Because they have to.
53:54They don't have a choice. So we talked about Dobbs.
53:57Let's talk about the price stuff. Because I've been very, I'll say mild on the price stuff.
54:03I didn't like the Jadarian. Oh my God. The Jadarian price 102.
54:07I didn't like the 102 stuff. Like I thought in rookie drafts.
54:11But looking back on it, it's like, well, the rest of the class.
54:16I mean, maybe. He looks fantastic. Yes, he did.
54:19He looked great from run one. I thought it looked great.
54:22The EPA looks great. Great success rate. Explosive runs.
54:26Very. If he was wearing a number nine, I would have thought it was Walker.
54:31Yes. But he looked more decisive than Walker, which I think is something that's very important.
54:36He looked way more decisive. One cut go. I thought that looked great.
54:41And I think that you could only see, you know, the snap rate go up.
54:46Only 10 carries, which seems a little odd to me.
54:49But 10 yards over expectation, I thought is pretty good for a rookie in his first game.
54:55Muy nice. My teeth bring me up. Die Schuhe sind zu Schuhe sind viel zu eng.
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55:13Okay. Das klingt traumhaft. Mehr Komfort, Kraft und Dynamik.
55:16Alles durch die Passform. Altra versteht das einfach. out there.
55:20I was more impressed with the two receptions. One of them was very difficult.
55:24He got smacked on one of them and held onto the ball.
55:28I think that's where the dynasty value is really going to uptick, really going to have a chance to pay off.
55:36But Seattle's still doing the funny money stuff, and that's what I really wanted to talk to.
55:41So they had two drives inside the 20. First drive, Helani comes in for back-to-back carries.
55:47Took all four snaps in the late third. Second, red zone drive.
55:51Seahawks get weird, as you pointed out. First play, Shahid in the backfield, holding.
55:56Then Price, play-action pass. Next play, delay of game.
55:59That was the Emmanuel Wilson in the back field where Locke is checking his play sheet?
56:04Insane. But he has a backup. Then an incomplete pass to JSN.
56:08Now third, JSN in backfield. Incomplete pass to him.
56:11So they were like going out of their way to do the rotational back thing.
56:16And that's with Wilson and Helani, let alone when Carbonet ends up coming off.
56:21Are they still going to do this? Probably. They've only told us that that's what they were going to do.
56:28But I think he I think he looked really explosive.
56:31And I think for him for his dynasty value to really pay off from rookie drafts, et cetera, where he was getting drafted in startups.
56:40I think you need a little bit more than this current target share.
56:44But I'm willing to accept that I'm I'm probably going to end up leaning more side of that.
56:50I was incorrect in my assessment and how low I was.
56:54But what were your early feelings? I'm going to go look up the ADP for him.
57:00So so Price is one of those names I started coming around to really late in the offseason, especially in redraft leagues
57:07and stuff with this like fifth, sixth round price tag.
57:11Like you talked about Price looked really great in the limited reps that he did get.
57:16He's the type of running back that literally he gets the ball and you would think that your your speed of your
57:23video goes from one to one and a half X speed.
57:27Like he just he shoots so fast. And to your point, he is much more decisive.
57:33He's not as lateral of a mover as Kenneth Walker, meaning he gets he goes for negative yards like K-9 does.
57:40But instead, he gets north and south real quick, fast and in a hurry.
57:45When I saw that, dude, I really had the inkling that the cream is going to rise to the top on this one.
57:52Add into the fact that Sam Darnold is now hurt and now Seattle's eventually is essentially having to scrap their playbook for
58:00the beginning of the season and start over. Right now, you've got to prepare with Drew Locke at the helm.
58:07And so while I think they want to rotate names like Helani and even Emmanuel Wilson, I don't think Jadarian Price's talent
58:14is going to allow them to do that. Of course, we're worried about the inside the 20 work primarily like wishing he
58:22would get target or carries and stuff. But how about glass half full?
58:26How about the fact that he was inside? He was out there getting snaps while they were inside of the 20 on a couple different pass plays.
58:35Now, the plays didn't go to him, but one of them was a play action pass.
58:41They faked the handoff to him and he ran a route.
58:44And the second one was another one where he ran a route and then, you know, eventually somebody else or JSN, I
58:52think, came in and played backfield, whatever. But the point is, I was actually encouraged, like you said, he got a couple of catches.
59:00He was in there on pass down work and that was early, early down pass action work, right?
59:06So if anything, the biggest thing that worried me is, and I'd have to triple check, but I don't think he played a single third down snap.
59:15And so that's where, you know, you could argue that his role and maybe their worries about him as a pass blocker
59:23could, you know, hinder his ability to really break out.
59:26But if he figures it out, if some training and practice allows him to feel more comfortable in that third down role,
59:34you could see even more of an expansion as well.
59:37And the last point to all this, I mean, we still don't know when Carbonet Charbonnet is coming back.
59:44So, I mean, if we're talking about not to like late October or early November, I mean, sky's the limit.
59:50That gives, that gives Jadarian price basically a month and a half to two months worth of time to give the Seattle
59:58coaching staff no choice but to ride the hot hand.
60:01Yeah. And we kind of knew that, but I think what a lot of people are looking for in week one was the usage.
60:09So that's why I think the usage is really important.
60:13Why it's really important to really go through the sequence of plays and how they were bringing them in, bringing them out and personnel.
60:21People were really hoping new play call or different result.
60:24It doesn't look like that's the case, but I think all things considered, I think Price had a really good showing.
60:31You should feel really good. Really good the rest of the year.
60:36He had 70% success rate on the ground in those 10 attempts and a 5.2 yards per carry.
60:42I mean, that's damn electric, man. Kind of crazy that they didn't use them more.
60:47Exactly. I don't know what they were keeping in mind.
60:50They lost their quarterback and fell down by 10 points.
60:54So like game script also didn't necessarily favor Jadarian Price either in his first game as a rookie.
61:00True. You're right. Yep. It'll be nice to see week two when they kind of get a full game plan, but you're right on that.
61:08All right. Let's I don't have a lot Wolverine.
61:11Yeah, we're going to talk about Wolverine here right away.
61:15I don't have a lot to talk about on the Thursday game.
61:19I don't have a whole ton. I felt like there was way more to talk about in the Wednesday game, but can
61:26we just talk about George Kittle and how absolutely ridiculous this man is?
61:31Bro. He disgusting what he went out there and did.
61:34I think it was disgusting. 17 routes. He had five targets targeted early.
61:38He had the early drop was separating 0.29 targets per route run.
61:43I mean, nine yards a reception I thought was really good played 46.9 really 47% of the half and remember San Francisco
61:50kind of went up big there after a while when he was out there he ran routes a 47.2% route share 24.7%
61:58air yard share 20% first read target share it's like they went out there and were like, George, we're getting you the ball.
62:05Don't worry. He was an animal blocking like he was just he was just straight up George Kittle week one playing an international game.
62:14Um, he looked explosive on the screen. He looked every bit of just George Kittle and there was somebody that commented on
62:21one of Scott Barrett's videos, one of the fantasy football daily and I really wanted to go back and find it.
62:28That was just calling him an idiot for saying like, oh, Kittle's not playing week one.
62:34Why would you tell him as a draft pick here?
62:37He is and I wanted to go and find it, but the time and I'm not that petty and whatever else, but
62:44I mean, I am, but regardless, but Kittle was one of my favorites all off season.
62:50You could get them really cheap in startups. It doesn't look like anything.
62:54Anything has changed for him. It's disgusting. This is one of those I'm super passionate about.
63:00So, uh, one of my fellow charters on the fantasy points team, Bill O'Brien, we have a podcast that we do on Spotify called advanced grid iron.
63:09And one of the things that we talked actually after Kittle's injury in January, Kittle was very upfront that he was getting
63:16a specific surgery that would allow him to come back by week one.
63:21And it just felt like nobody cared about that.
63:24Like it got brushed under the rug and everybody.
63:27I remember even Theo Grimminger when he was a part of the crew was talking about how like there's a good chance
63:34Kittle could be out eight to 10, you know, the first eight to 10 games of the season.
63:41And I kind of stand pat on the fact that I felt like I both trusted what Kittle was saying that he
63:48was going to do the early surgery and come back.
63:51And that's what we got. Now, did I expect him to be playing at the level that he was playing at?
63:59Absolutely not. Max Toscano retweeted a video of George Kittle who just absolutely bodied Byron Young in the run game like you were talking about.
64:07Just tossed him aside like a small child. Like absolutely disgusting.
64:11And when we were preparing for the show today, I was doing some, you know, I was diving into the data suite
64:18looking for stribbling notes in the first quarter. I couldn't believe that stribbling and Mike Evans, they both like ran like eight eight routes a piece.
64:27And I thought, oh, this is super great for stribbling.
64:31And then I look and Kittle actually ran more routes than the both of them at nine.
64:36Yeah. Fresh off of an Achilles. And I was like, dude, Kittle's out here out.
64:41Basically, they leading team in routes run. And he, you know, like I said, went down with the Achilles injury in January.
64:49It's just astonishing stuff. Yeah, it was unreal. He's all systems go bye, bye, bye.
64:54Like, get out there, go get them. Yeah. Again, people really want to see a player come back off of injury if
65:02they've held them all offseason, couldn't trade them. Somebody out there might want to get rid of them.
65:08Look at his ADP availability, like 35% of the time he's available at the 10, at the, at the 10, 12.
65:15Very, very available in tight and premium leagues, which seems kind of, kind of like a dynasty miss price.
65:21It's like, look at his value over, uh, just over the last three months spiked up a little bit towards September.
65:28But I mean, yeah, if you bought it paid off, I think it's all systems go and speak about stripling.
65:35Like he was out there a lot, a lot.
65:38And I actually feel bad. The, apparently the Achilles is intact, but two injuries in that game, he ran a ton of
65:46routes and still, uh, didn't net the target. Um, I'm blanking on the wide receiver that scored, um, DeMarcus Robinson.
65:53Got a target. Yeah. Got a target before stripling.
65:56Yeah. On that first drive after he was out there, you know, and he was blocking while doing all the things that
66:03they talked about with stripling, but, uh, obviously the injury, it's not good and we don't really know what it is and
66:11we're not gonna until it just plays out because reports in San Francisco, no one caught the Shanahan extension.
66:17I don't know. Very, very strange, uh, reporting. It's everything.
66:20Can't trust anything. Uh, but this really sucks for stripling.
66:24Um, I, I don't want to go into like just sell, but like we've seen, we've seen these San Francisco receivers just
66:31get off to these kinds of starts and just not, I don't know.
66:36I don't want to call it like the Ricky Pierce all thing.
66:40And, but man, this is the last thing that I think could have happened for him.
66:45Um, but I think this speaks volumes for Debo.
66:48So I'll let you go on stripling and then we'll, we'll work that into Debo.
66:53Well, I'm still, I'm still holding stripling as far as the dynasty value.
66:58I think what we saw in the limited action from stripling is, and even from Kittle, that is more than you could
67:05have ever hoped for going into the early part of the season.
67:09My, my thought about stripling and I wrote it here in the, in the note sheet was like, I was, I was
67:17buying the stripling hype and the potential usage, but I was genuinely worried.
67:21Like how could a rookie hold up in an NFL season with this kind of usage never in a million years that
67:29I think it would happen this early, but this was always a little bit of the worry about just somebody, you know,
67:36going from the college level straight into the NFL and being targeted like eight, nine, 10 times in the preseason like that is ungodly levels of work.
67:45Right? So this is, this is one of those, we kind of saw the usage and the, the potential with stripling.
67:53If anybody is panic selling for cheap, or if you've already got a share, I would happily just kind of hold and
68:00wait to see what happens because at the end of the day, attrition is going to set in on San Francisco.
68:07Right now your leading receivers are DeMarcus Robinson, Mike Evans, and Debo Samuel.
68:12And so if you're betting on the three of those guys to stay healthy for the duration of this, of the season,
68:19I would advise you spend your money in different ways.
68:23So I'm still, I'm still interested in the potential of stripling, um, you know, even having like a strong future there to
68:30your point about the Ricky Pierce all thing. If stripling ends up getting shot though, I'm out.
68:36I'm definitely, I'm definitely out. Yeah, let's not. Yeah.
68:39Let's, let's hope you don't get mugged for your watch.
68:42Right. Not, not good, but you'll get the trades of Max Claire and stripling for Debo, who we're going to talk about
68:50here in a minute, but then look at there, there it is again, a 28 one.
68:55I would do that immediately. I would do that.
68:58What about the 27 second? I saw that up there.
69:02How do you feel about that? I think I want to hold.
69:06Thank you. That's what I said. I'm not going to go out and buy for that, but I think I'm going to hold for that.
69:14I think I'm going to hold. Okay. Um, not going to go by don't want to add more a player.
69:21That's obviously so much cheaper and rookie drafts. I mean, I got called out because I said I wouldn't draft him until like the fourth round, right?
69:30I got called out for that. I did end up grabbing them a little bit later in second round, but I don't
69:38want to pay a 27 two for him. Now when those 27 seconds are going to be so valuable towards the end
69:45of the year to go and get a fat ass running back off of somebody, but I would that 28 one is staring at me.
69:54Like it's just, it's looking back at me singing to me a siren song.
69:58If you would like, I, that's, that's what I want.
70:02So if somebody is that excited about the usage, we could do that.
70:06The player that I thought benefited like the most was Debo.
70:10Uh, I don't think a lot of people had Debo pegged to somebody that was going to come out and Excel, but
70:17boy, did they want to use him seven targets, three inside the 20, which I thought was interesting.
70:24Uh, I got a couple stats for you, a three yards per out run.
70:28Now we know that's not going to hold up in the data suite era.
70:33That's only ever happened one other time with Debo Samuel.
70:37That was in 2021 with that insane year that he had, but three yards per hour would be the second highest in the data suite era.
70:45It will regress, but for context, he said at a 1.73 last year with the commandos and a one in a very
70:53nice 1.69 and his last year in San Francisco, that's what kind of the fat jokes kind of started.
70:59I thought this was a good sign for Debo 50% from the slot, a 6.3% in the backfield.
71:05This kind of looked like the old school Debo Evans in the big X that we've seen from Jennings and Iuke over the last couple of years.
71:15It kind of just looked like the plug and play Shanahan offense.
71:19Now it came out after because of course it did that McCaffrey was battling cramps.
71:24So that's kind of maybe why they were leaning a little bit heavier on the Debo stuff in the screen game and
71:31in the backfield and it kind of would play into the Caelan Black usage a little bit, especially going into the game.
71:39They were talking about him being McCaffrey. That is being a little bit banged up because of course he is.
71:46He's a 30 year old running back. I was very into the Debo Samuel thing and I think this is definitely something that can continue.
71:54I know you were talking about how he looked like he had the burst and it looked like he had that energy again.
72:02I want to see what he looks like in week six, but I'm very, very happy with, with any share and he's
72:09probably the player that I'm looking towards the most over the next couple of weeks to really see if this usage is
72:17going to stick because I mean usage in week one doesn't tell you the whole story, but you kind of get an
72:24idea of, of how they want to use them.
72:27Well, and we've been joking about the potential about Debo being the real RB to in San Fran.
72:34Right. And we actually got a glimpse of that.
72:37You commented on me talking about kind of the vibes, if you will, around Debo and just watching the tape and dude, the body language was amazing.
72:46Like to see the excitement just kind of like pouring out of his body, bro.
72:51He had that 12 yard handoff and he jumped up with such excitement.
72:55And I'm telling you, like I could feel through the TV screen that he was just like, I'm back.
73:02Like that excitement to be back home. You could feel it.
73:05And the fact that he, he plays for a coach like Kyle Shanahan that knows how to use them.
73:12I'm right there with you. Like totally in the excitement.
73:15We can kind of circle this back. We talked about AJ Brown at the beginning for a contender.
73:21If this Debo usage continues forward and we get him as a slot run, you know, Russia role in the red zone,
73:29I would ask you, why would I go pay for an AJ Brown?
73:33If I could pay half the price for a Debo, you know?
73:37So that's right. I'm, I'm fully in, in on the Debo revival season, if you will.
73:43It, it put Debo on the list of like players that I could buy later as a contender, which is, I think
73:50a list that every dynasty manager needs to have.
73:53Uh, it's keeping an eye on a player, which you can do in the fancy points front office.
74:00You can put them on there as a target and it'll track them for you across the entire front office in every
74:07page, any trade and ADP rankings, et cetera. So you can keep an eye on him, uh, which is very handy tool for dynasty managers and redraft managers.
74:17Let's not get them mistaken, especially, um, if you're a little thin at wide receiver.
74:22Uh, I thought the user was interesting. The thing that really stuck out to me was the play he scored on.
74:29Which it feels like the Cree, the, the kind of creatability that Purdy has lacked a little bit in connection.
74:36Now, some of that could have been Kittle last year being out and Tonjas who actually got hurt in this game as
74:43well, which could speak to how often Kittle had the play maybe, but that game was kind of in hand there towards
74:51the end and they still ran them out there, but the play where it kind of broke down and Purdy escaped and
74:58found Debo wide open, uh, in the secondary feels like that's kind of the, the wheelhouse for upside for him.
75:05So I'm, I'm digging it for sure. He's on the list of like potential veterans to buy.
75:11I want to talk about the Caitlin black thing.
75:14Cause I saw running out of time. So the thing with Adams is that I was just very sad.
75:20I don't think we charted him for a single play inside the tent, like very sad.
75:26This looked like a weird the first time I looked at Adams and I was like, Oh, he might be, it might
75:33be over, but also they show up to Australia way later than they should have hot as hell.
75:39Obviously it's Australia at there like noon, like my God.
75:43Bro. And then did you hear about them keeping the same sleep schedule?
75:47So waking up at like two in the morning and crap.
75:51Insane, insane, just dumb. That seemed really dumb, bad all around.
75:55And it looked like it showed there for everyone, but Kyron and Coram for some reason, the Kyron and Coram thing, just like it's eternal.
76:03Like we didn't have them on the show sheet.
76:06You're like, Oh, Kyron doesn't make it. It's like, it's just like, it's like Kyron goes out there for the first series and plods away.
76:15And then Coram goes out there for the next series and looks explosive.
76:19And then Coram gets all the work and then they hand the ball off to Kyron Williams when they get near the 20.
76:27It's like, all right. So it's just like the same rotation it's been for years.
76:32All right. Got it. Check. Everyone's good. Kyron would, Kyron was like actually became a sell for me, but it's purely contract related.
76:40Like they could get out of that contract next year.
76:43And they might have to with some of the vets they have.
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77:36IONOS. I do want to talk about the Caelan Black stuff though because a lot of people that I really like talked
77:44about, I think it Hayden Wings posted that his dynasty value like skyrocketed and like, I don't know if it, I don't know if it did.
77:53I don't know if I would consider, um, skyrocketed, then we might have a problem.
77:58Yeah, he did have 14 attempts. Uh, he did pretty well, four and a half plus per carry, the 64.3% explosive rate,
78:05only 28.6% stuff, but I just felt like that offensive line was clicking.
78:10I thought the offensive line was clicking 3.5 yards per carry or yards before contact per attempt makes things look pretty good for you 43.8% of the snaps.
78:19He did run 30.6% of the routes, but the 2.9% target share, if they are just strictly giving him the carries to
78:27keep McCaffrey fresh, I don't care about this in terms of like McCaffrey's usage.
78:31Scroll back up there because you, you pointed out his yards, uh, before contact.
78:36Well, let's up a little bit more. Well, let's, let's highlight his yards after contact.
78:41Look at how green, it is before. And look at how red it is after contact.
78:47And he had literally zero missed tackles forced. All he did was fall forward.
78:51As soon as he got hit, he was able to fall forward for that little yard that you see there after contact.
78:59And that's about it. While the, the usage was surprising, did not expect, you know, a third round rookie who didn't make
79:06the draft combine to get 14 carries and outpace McCaffrey's 10.
79:10Well, I think that coming. I think that's strictly because every time San Francisco drafts a running back like that, they don't get to play the games.
79:19So the fact that one even got into the game, I feel, I just feel like the threshold was low for expectations.
79:27That's probably fair. But like, let's just point out the fact that like, bro, they're playing in Australia week one.
79:34Like, let's just kind of put that into effect.
79:37There was a, a lot of attrition setting in.
79:40You talk about CMC kind of dealing with cramps.
79:43We have no idea. I don't know anything about Australia when it comes to altitude or heat and humidity or any of
79:50those, you know, external factors that may, may or may not be affecting the body.
79:55So the, if, if this would have been 14 carries play, you know, right here in the United States, I'd probably hold
80:03a little bit more weight into it. But the fact it was an Australia game, literally complete, completely around the world.
80:10I need to see a little bit more before I'm getting into it.
80:14And especially after looking into the data suite and seeing the advanced metrics, that Kalon really just got what was blocked for him.
80:22I don't, I'm not clamoring over anything. And you started this conversation by saying his dynasty value and skyrocketed.
80:29The only reason his value should have went up is because he solidified the RB two spot over Jordan James.
80:35But if it's surpassed anything beyond that, I would start to debate that maybe we're in selling territory.
80:42I've, I was in the pure potential discord, checking things out like I always do.
80:47Cause Paul runs a tight ship over there and his great advice and has a very good community.
80:53And, um, we're already in the cell. Like there was already a big conversation on the, should you sell in there and
81:00in the fantasy points discord as well. And I think Jacob hit this on the head.
81:06If you took away every Christian McCaffrey carry that didn't result in a touchdown.
81:10Uh, so 301 carries vanishing into thin air. CMC would have scored 70.4 PPR points in 2025, right?
81:17Like that's still, he's still going to secure kind of that role.
81:21And the fantasy points data account tweeted Kyle Shanahan says every year, uh, that they want to get some carries off of Christian McCaffrey.
81:29And the problem is this, he's the skeleton key to unlocking an offense and put the defense in such a bind that
81:36if the game is actually competitive, they won't ever want to take him off the field.
81:42And it was four Niners offense in 2025 with McCaffrey in the field was a plus 0.156 where McCaffrey off the field
81:49would have ranked a negative 0.036 in EPA. Like that's insane differentials.
81:53Like McCaffrey is going to get that workload. He's going to get the value touches.
81:58I think as pure handcuff evaluation, I think you nailed it.
82:02And that's just probably what we're, what we're looking at with black, but yeah, the, the, the through the roof type stuff
82:10is not, um, let's not be hyperbolic. Basically. That's it.
82:13Like if you look at some of the Brian Thomas jr for Caitlin black, I think is a little insane.
82:20Um, that would be hyperbolic. I would take that.
82:23That's definitely hyperbolic. You're getting Dante Thornton and a 28 two for him.
82:27Like, I think that's kind of okay. Cause you're getting that too.
82:31Um, but like, what were you looking for? Really?
82:34Like the third, I think is crazy. Look at that.
82:38Stripling in black for a 27, one from yesterday.
82:41That's insane. That's, I think crazy. Where that's the cell territory.
82:45Like the Ted Hearst one. No, I don't want to do that.
82:49Um, the wandale and black for Barnard and a two.
82:52I think that's selling a little light. Can I just say something with the Ted Hearst one?
82:58Can we please not trade somebody where we saw what we wanted to see for something that we hope to see?
83:05Like, I don't, that's one thing about dynasty that absolutely drives me nuts.
83:09Like if, if Kalon black just solidified the RB two role and you know, he's a CMC handcuff, don't trade him for another lottery ticket.
83:18Your fourth round or third round pick that wherever you got him, that it's cashing in front of your eyes.
83:25So either hold or I don't know, just trade smarter, please.
83:29Yeah. And that's, that's what we want to help everybody do, right?
83:33That's the, that's the goal for us here. So we're running long, we're running long and with time, but, uh, that that's where we're at with those guys.
83:42Do want to point out that the T Ferg stuff is funny.
83:4672% of the routes, five routes run from out wide, 62, uh, 62%, three in line zero from the slot.
83:53But I mean, no targets. I just think it's kind of funny, uh, for, for, and he only ran 22% of the routes.
84:01And so, yeah, when that game got away from them, they were like, exactly.
84:06But that whole offense again, it looked slow and out of touch.
84:10And we, we briefly talked about Raritan, but I just want to point out that I thought all wheels up for me.
84:17The touchdown looked like just like the classic backside tight end leak out, forgotten about chip and go wide open, but he
84:25made the play that he was asked to make.
84:28So you can't take that away from him. He had a couple of welcome to the NFL type moments in the run
84:35game, but I thought he actually looked pretty good for a rookie tight end.
84:40That's maybe a little bit undersized in the run game.
84:43Uh, I thought, I thought it looked really well.
84:46So opportunity is definitely going to be there again.
84:49They're going to need, they're going to need playmakers.
84:53So that's going to do it for this week's show.
84:56So let us know what you guys think in the comments.
85:00Let us know what you guys are looking forward to.
85:03We are looking forward to going over what happens after Sunday.
85:07We're going to get the first full week. We want to talk over some stuff that we were really kind of looking
85:14forward to paying attention to, but we're at an hour and 22.
85:18We got to get out of here. Um, go check for Demarcato.
85:22Malik Davis is going to be having surgery. They've probably done for the year.
85:27I've been checking up on that as we're going here later this evening.
85:32He it's a hip problem. So very sad. I picked up Malik Davis like 20 times off waivers just to find out that now we're cooked.
85:40That means Javante Williams might lead all running backs and snap share this year for Dallas.
85:46He honestly, like, yeah, he actually might. But with that being said, data suite 2.0 is out.
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